Game Day- Stumbling Senators Return Home

SensChirp November 20, 2013 680
Game Day- Stumbling Senators Return Home

The hockey gods are finding new and unusually cruel ways to punish the hockey team from the Nation’s Capital.

The Ottawa Senators appeared to take a 3-2 third period last night over the Flyers only to have an inconclusive video review decide otherwise.  After having that goal waved off, the wheels came completely off for the Sens as the Flyers scored twice in the span of 23 seconds to steal the game away.  It was a tough call but like so many of the other losses this season, the Ottawa Senators just weren’t good enough.

They’ll have a chance to bounce back quickly as they play host to the Minnesota Wild.

Minnesota has been one of the more pleasant surprises in the early going this season, turning things around under Head Coach Mike Yeo and remaining competitive in the extremely difficult Western Conference.  They have posted a 13-5-4 record which is remarkably, good enough for just 8th place in the West.  That same record would have them sitting first in the Eastern Conference.  With that said, the Wild are coming off one of their worst losses of the season last night, falling 6-2 to the Canadiens last night in Montreal.

Expect plenty of booing from the home town crowd tonight as the Wild line up will likely two of the more hated players in Ottawa Senators history in Dany Heatley and Matt Cooke.

With the back to back games, there’s no morning skate planned for the Senators today.  Head Coach Paul MacLean will meet with the media at 10:45 AM to explain his line up.  Safe to assume there will be changes to the group that lost last night in Philadelphia including in goal, where the Senators are expected to return to Craig Anderson.

Keep an eye on the comment section below for updates on the line up and any potential call ups or trade rumours that may pop up.

  • -It’s going to be an extremely busy couple days on the home front, as Mrs, SensChirp and I are expecting the birth of our first child at any moment.  If things go quiet around here for a couple days,  you’ll know where I went. As always, you can count on the comment section to keep you updated on all the latest news in the meantime.  I’ll do my best to keep things at least somewhat updated on here and on Twitter. Look after the place while I’m gone, will ya?

  • Alcatraz

    No wifi in the hospital? Bullshit excuse chirp

    • The Apostle

      True that. It’s almost like he feels the imminent birth of his daughter is more important than keeping us updated. The noirve of the fella I tells ya.

    • RUSH RLZ

      I was at Queensway-Carleton this week, and inside those walls is a pee-hole dead zone! Soak in the moment of your first kid Chirpster!

  • hq8

    congrats chirp!
    btw, a little soft on the title there? sens stumbling?

    • SensChirp

      I considered free falling and tail spinning but didn’t know if they were one word or two.

      Kept it simple

    • The Apostle

      I kind of agree. Alfie had a gravitas that Spezza doesn’t have yet. I get the impression that Spezza is a captain but Alfie was a leader. Bit of a difference. However, whoever came in was going to find it difficult this year. I think Spezza is doing OK on the ice, but it’s that intangible thing…

      • hq8

        thats the word: intangible. he just seemed to have that and increasingly as he got older and as each season went by. last season i felt he was great in so many ways. it was almost like he found a new gear to notch it up another level.
        who knows…..maybe it is the departure of alfie that is making all the difference right now.

    • myteam65

      Gotta give Spezza the benefit of the doubt here… don’t think he was
      ever expected to bring the same style of leadership as Alfie…

      Also,
      We can’t forget that Alfie’s leadership was under the microscope in the
      early going as well, while everyone questioned whether or not he could
      motivate the team to perform in the playoffs and suggested he should be
      traded… I think the adversity probably helped him grow into a better
      captain over time.

      • Bob

        watching Spezza slowly skate away while 89 was getting pushed around and around was the the time our captain should have stood up for the smaller team mate.. and his team.

    • RUSH RLZ

      I don`t buy that shit for one second, honestly I don`t. There may be some other malaise with the team.. I loathe to even say it… so for now I won’t. But here we are, dire situation.. even if we won this game 12-0 would we really be confident this team is back on track?

      Hope we fill the net and keep them out too. Probably every fan feels this but I am always paranoid that former Sens will burn us… hopefully just his old jerseys get burnt if there are any left….

      This comment guided me to figure out how to disable my &*(^$# keyboard from jutting into French mode, thank god that is a weight off my shoulders…

      Go Sens! Rip’em to shreds tonight!

  • Tooks

    You know a team like Minny is gonna bounce back after a embarrassing loss. You dont win 13 games off luck. The Sens, well, lots of things need to happen for us to have any push back today…

    Like a new lineup, IF we have the same guys in there its just gonna be another loss, I’m looking at you Cowen-Gryba-Phillips, Greening-Condra-Conacher. There is no easy way of doing this, bench Cowen-Gryba, give Phillips a maintenance day/days…

    Send Conacher down to Bingo to work on his scoring, he’s completely lost his touch, bench Greening-Condra, call up Hoffman-Stone. (work on finding a trading partner for Cowen, Gryba, Greening, Condra).

    Split up the Turris line, we have to at this point.

    Mac Spezza Zibanejad
    Hoffman Turris Ryan
    Michalek Smith Stone
    Kassian Grant Neil

    Constantly roll the top 3 lines, play the 4th when needed obviously, big hit, fight, whatever, those guys shouldnt be playing more than 8 minutes anyways.

    Methot-Karlsson
    PW46 Corvo
    Boro Ceci/Claesson
    Anderson…

    • hq8

      yup, benching phillips-cowen is a complete non-starter now. its MANDATORY. i think Cowen has lost his confidence completely, he doesnt even want to touch the puck and when he touches it he doesnt want to hold it. hell I have seen him leave it completely at times for his D-partner to deal with. right now the single biggest liability on the sens roster by a long long shot.

    • xN1Cx

      This lineup NEEDS to happen. I call a win if they do.

    • Killadi

      I agree with most of the things that you’ve said including benching Gryba, Philips, sending Conacher down to Bingo. However, we can’t give up on Cowen (too much pedigree), he has to play thorough the slump and learn from experience. I think he looked good when he was paired up with EK65, and join PW46 with Methot to address PW46′s defensive short comings. Bring Claesson up, I don’t want the team to rush Ceci bc he will end up like Schenn or Johnson, Faulk. (lets be responsible with Ceci and Lazar)

      I think that we definitely need to break the Turris line specially since Spezza doesn’t have anyone to play with and Ryan likes playing with Turris then Spezza and I thin Mac is responsible defensively.

      Mac Spezza Zibanejad
      Michalek Turris Ryan
      Hoffman Smith Pumpel
      Kassian Grant Neil

      Cowen-Karlsson
      PW46-Methot
      Boro Ceci/Claesson
      Anderson…

      • Go Sens Go

        The only problem is how do you bring up 3 players. Sens are already carrying 23 players.

  • Sicilian

    Congrats Chirp. If you thought the Sens gave you anxiety, wait for what your child has in store for you :)
    Lehner looked horrible too. It’s not often you think your goalie should have saved 3/4 goals

    • hq8

      he was screened by Phillips on the 1st goal, completely – it was the perfect screen Giroux could have asked for.
      Cowen was in front of him and may have actually tipped it on the Simmonds goal (4th). and no, Cowen was not trying to prevent the shot in any manner at all, he was actually just skating by.
      to get the count straight, sens did score 3 goals. 1 was just disallowed due to video review. so a change in the front end is not necessary except for Zibanejad with Spezza and MM9. Maybe as some are suggesting to bump up MacArthur too.
      what is needed: sit phillips+cowen.

      • Sicilian

        The only goal I didn’t think he had a chance on was the first goal

  • Miguel

    congrats Chirp,
    in the words of the great Wayne Gretzky after winning the Stanley Cup
    Reporter: What is the most memorable experience of your life so far
    Gretzky: I have won Stanley Cups, I have scored overtime game winning goals and I have broken records, but there is no better life experience or greater high than experiencing the birth of your child.
    Welcome to Fatherhood Compadre!

  • Jacques

    I wish you all the best , being a Dad is the greatest feeling in the world! I have twin boys who just turned 6. Finally some good news to hang our hats on!

  • Miguel

    now back to hockey
    New Low today chirpers allow me to reflect
    Sunday – playing Columbus in dire need for a win.
    – we get completely outplayed, and outworked, and outclassed, by one of the worst teams in the league in a 4-1 drubbing
    - ok well maybe Columbus is turning it around and maybe they are not that bad a team
    - Columbus goes on to lose 7-0 against one of the other last place teams?????
    FEARLESS!…. ah no more like FEARFUL!!!

    • hq8

      not to mention there is a new ailment to the sens now: falling asleep during in-game delays

  • Tooks

    The Sens are scheduled to be featured in this series, LOL, maybe we will get to see all the BS that is gong on behind the scenes, its gonna be one gloomy episode when the Sens are showed!!

    NHL fans will get an up-close, all-access look at some of their favorite stars with the upcoming “NHL Revealed: A Season Like No Other” series beginning in mid-January.

    The series will begin Jan. 22 on NBCSN and Jan. 23 on CBC. It will be re-broadcast in Canada on Sportsnet on Jan. 26. The joint announcement was made Monday by the NHL, the National Hockey League Players’ Association, NBCSN and CBC.

    NHL Revealed is a seven-part series telling the stories of more than two dozen of the League’s top stars as they prepare for and participate in 2013-14 regular-season games, including the four 2014 Coors Light NHL Stadium Serie games and the Tim Hortons NHL Heritage Classic. Additionally, the cameras will follow the stars during the February trip to compete in the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics.

    The NHL Heritage Classic wraps up this dramatic run of signature events on March 2 in Vancouver, B.C., when the Vancouver Canucks host the Ottawa Senators (4 p.m. EST, NBCSN/CBC

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    We could have had both Goalies in and with how horrible the def has been the results would have remained the same.

    • Tooks

      I think your on to something there. I think its fair game, remove a forward and put 2 goalies in nets, that way we still have the allowed 6 players on the ice, LOL.

      • hq8

        sens do have two starter-level goalies lol

  • Guess Who

    First off, congratulations, Chirp!
    Second, some stats:
    Winning percentage: .476; tied for 20th in NHL with CAR and NYR
    Goals per game: 2.86; tied for 9th in NHL with TOR
    Goals against per game: 3.05 tied for 25th in NHL with PHX
    It’s clear, both by stats and what I’ve been hearing on TSN1200 during games (don’t have cable or satellite) that the defence is dragging the WP down more than the offence is pulling us up. We still allow the most shots against per game (36.2) so it’s obvious that we need better defensemen. Only #65, #3 and #4 are putting up more than 20 minutes per game, although we might as well include #2 who averages 19:58 and so are worth keeping. Either #46, #62 and #77 need to step it up (and I have no reason to believe they will) or good-bye! As for goaltending, the goals against when Anderson plays is 3.26 while with Lehner, it’s 2.37. If our team’s GAA was 2.37, our defence would be 12th in the NHL! Am I sure that the defensemen haven’t just performed better when #40 plays? Well, let’s look for correlation between save percentage (how well the goalie performs) vs. GAA (how well the defence as a whole performs).
    Lehner
    Sv%: .939 (6th of all NHL goalies)
    GAA: 2.37 (20th of all NHL goalies)
    Anderson
    Sv%: .904 (32nd of all NHL goalies)
    GAA: 3.26 (36th of all NHL goalies)
    The defensemen are clearly hanging our goalies out to dry. BM can call up as many forwards from Bingo as he wants but that won’t solve the problem. If we want to win, our GAA needs to go down and we need better defensemen in order to do that.

    • hq8

      LOLLLLL hahahahahahah this is priceless above when you say this:

      “Only #65, #3 and #4 are putting up more than 20 minutes per game, although we might as well include #2 who averages 19:58 and so are worth keeping. Either #46, #62 and #77 need to step it up (and I have no reason to believe they will) or good-bye!”
      uhhh you need to get cable or an antenna or start streaming the games bud because I kid you not, #4 and #2 playing close to and over 20 minutes per game is the single biggest reason this team is urinating and defecating in its own mouth.

    • Tooks

      It shows that you dont have cable or satellite. You mention PW46, Corvo as guys that need to step up, well in order to do that they would need to be in the line up….

      The guys who ARE playing are the ones that need to go or be benched a couple of games, like Cowen, Phillips, Gryba. Those are big 3 that needs to change. Karlsson is putting up pts but lacking in def zone coverage, Methot is just struggling to cover for Karlsson.

      Maybe you should ask for cable on Xmas, it would help with your assessments.

      • Guess Who

        Very well then hq8 and Tooks, I accept your rebuttals.

  • Tooks

    Oh and would you look at that…Yak plays somewhat top 6 minutes (16:41) and gets 1G, 1A for 2nd star of the game. Eakins might save his job afterall…Nah!

    • hq8

      yup, sadly for you, the window on obtaining him closed when we decided to keep playing cowen after the first philly loss.

      • Tony

        From what I hear from the Oil staffers is that Edmonton is still very interested in Cowen, but are just not giving into BM’s demands

  • Miguel

    Latest from Sens land – we are looking for a Puck moving D-man
    one of the most dumbest labels that I have ever heard of is the “Puck Moving D-Man”
    For the love of god, if you do not know how to move a puck either up the boards or head man the puck up to a forward, WTF are you doing in the NHL?
    And if PW46 is NOT a Puck Moving D-man, WTF is he? A punishing stay at home D-man?
    This D is an absolute mess, and 20 games in it is not only NOT getting better they look even worse.
    Time to fire the ASSt coaches who are responsible for your D, and responsible for the Vanilla PP we have right now.
    Sorry still venting.

    • Tooks

      Seriously, PW and Corvo need to be in tonight or else I’m going down to CTC and staging a riot!

    • sens23

      isnt the Assistant coach in charge of the D and PP the same guy and isnt that Melnyk’s sweetheart Dave Cameron

      • Miguel

        If this is the case then fire Euge as well!
        Seriously, I have hate watching our PP for about 3 years, or as long as Cameron has been a part of this team. Euge if you are going to handcuff our GM, please do not handcuff our coach and players as well with this moron Cameron. I coach a peewee team and our Peewee’s have more creativitiy than our PP
        Anyone watching last night who saw 3 straight PP that generated 2 shots, and then watched the Philly PP move the puck with speed and creativity knows exactly what I am talking about.
        Any team that starts with Phillips manning you point on the PP, clearly knows nothing about hockey, he is the worst PP QB I have ever seen

  • thepez

    Congrats Chirp and Mrs. Chirp!
    Now to my bitching about the no goal last night. What is the point of having video review if on more than one occasion they can’t get it right. I would rather have the human error than human stupidity! That puck was clearly over the line and anyone who disagrees should get a new pair of lenses. It’s simple, the guys skate was well over the line, puck hits skate, puck is in the net, GOAL. All this bullshit that it wasn’t over from the league, from Mendes and White etc…is a complete joke.
    Needless to say, Turris has to score that goal and the Sens would have won.
    Tonight’s game may be the last for a couple of guys as a Senator. My guess is that if they lose again tonight, something will be done with 2 days off.

    • Tooks

      Only people to think it was in was Sens fans…It was the right call, you dont see it go in and from the side angle that Potvin swears it was in, well Potvin, just because you see white from a side angle doesnt mean the puck is crossed the line, what an idiot…

      It took the refs and league 2 seconds to check, was obvious it wasnt in. The guys skate is just behind the line, so hitting the skate means its still not crossed the line completely as the skate stops it.

      • thepez

        I like to think that I’m not blinded by being a Sens fan. I didn’t need Potvin or anyone else to tell me that the puck was in. The puck was in plain and simple. The puck hits a skate that was over the line. As for the league, it was a lot longer than 2 seconds. If you watched the game it was probably a good 90-120 seconds after they came back from commercial, which says to me they were considering it.
        Anyhow, the Sens are a fragile team right now. The body language is horrible on some of them. Basically they are making their own bad luck. Hopefully they turn things around, one shift at a time because I’m not sure they can look past the next shift because the boogie man seems to appear.

        • hq8

          yes it was in, but the video review needs to be conclusive to overrule the on-ice call. in especially grey areas, usually what i have noticed is that if there are two camera angles swinging the call one way, they will make it. in this case, it was a grey area because there was no camera angle showing clear white underneath the puck behind the goal line. there was just one angle which sort of showing the puck flip between grossman’s legs and you got the impression his one leg was behind the goal line as the puck hit it. the video needs to show clearly that the leg was behind the goal line. that angle doesnt seem to be available, hence the call.
          i’m ok with the call as a sens fan. i was expecting the sens to take that as a cue and seize the game. but all of them, including the coaching staff literally shit on the moment and opportunity. Philly was starting to attack right before the review too. This was the chance to turn it back. Unfortunately, like we have now come to expect this season, the sens suck at seizing opportunities in the most royal way possible.

      • Sens-fan-in-mtl

        not that it matters now, but seriously!!!

        Go watch the highlights on TSN or SN, the skate is not “just behind the line” it is on a 45 degree angle and all of it is in – the puck hits the back of the skate ….even with my crappy video extracting skills (see attached JPG), you can pretty easily figure that the puck is all the way in.

        - no way that is NOT a goal – except maybe for a Leafs fan

        • Tooks

          For the puck to be in, Grossman’s skate would have to be completely passed the line + the size of the puck, his skate wasnt that far passed the line, therefore the amount of space between the skate and the line wasnt the size of the puck. The puck was still hovering over the line, it didnt cross the line completely, hence the right call was made.

          • Go Sens Go

            Goal or no goal is debatable. What is not debatable is how sens played after that non call. We have had bad calls go our way many times before but never before have we folded so badly. All the spark went out of the team and that is concerning. I think the team needs to relax, do some off ice fun. May be a team building activity is required for them. The problem seems to be mental for the team. I do realise that the team doesn’t have time for this yet but they need to figure out how to squeeze that in.
            Go sens go.

          • Sens-fan-in-mtl

            i know i really shouldn’t bother, but your anti-Sens bias is so frustrating.

            look closely at the image (i have put in a arrow and a circle around the puck), clue: there is white between the puck and the goal line – enough said

          • Jason

            Not if the puck was on its side.

          • Robert Lepage

            This would be true only if (1) the puck remained horizontal for the entire duration of the clip, (2) the puck did not touch the ice at any point of the clip, and (3) the parallax from the camera angle decided to not longer follow the laws of optics.

            However, all three are not true.

            This was a goal. Not that it really matters. The Sens shat the bed.

      • Jacques

        You’re an idiot! It was clearly in!

      • Jason

        The only view that would show if the puck was in was the overhead view since the puck wasn’t on the ice and didn’t go far enough into the net to be conclusive from the side angle. The referee can’t change his call on the ice unless the review shows he was wrong. Since the top view was blocked by Grossman’s body they couldn’t tell so his call on the ice stayed. No point crying about it.

    • hq8

      it was the right call, regardless of in or not in. i think if it was Methot in the net and Giroux shooting and same thing happened, we would want the league to not call it conclusive and call it no-goal too. nowwww, if the referee had called it goal on the ice……heheheheh ;)
      what matters is that what Philly decided to do during the review and what the sens coaching staff and players decided to do during the review. the sens decided to stick their heads up their a$$e$ and philly decided to win the game.

      • boom

        I actually think it was in, but who really cares. What pisses me off is how they reacted to it – 2 goals in 23 seconds after that?

        Gumby has more backbone than anyone on the Sens showed last night.
        I am a huge Turris fan, but he spent the whole rest of the game pouting. When i saw him start his penalty shot, his body language clearly (to me, anyway) showed no confidence.

        Collectively, they folded after that ruling.

        One last note, does MacLean know that you are allowed to call a time-out in this league?

        • hq8

          maclean’s a fisherman from Nova Scotia, he doesnt know anything about anything.

          • senate19

            we can all go home, internet won.

      • runningbear1974

        The shift after the no goal Maclean put the Spezza line out… And they had a very very tough night…

  • Conor_smythe

    I wasnt going to ring his up until closer to trade deadline, but It looks like hb flames blogger beat me to it :

    Mike camelleri will probably get moved this season. Hes a madman in the playoffs and I heard ottawa was sniffing around the last time he was a free agent.

    I think he would play well with spezza and would give us a ridiculously talented top 6.

    I know we need defence first, but I think the deal for a defenceman is only days away, and im almost positive it will free up some cash (real dollars) for ottawa

    What does people think of camelleri, if we get a solid defense first.

    • hq8

      DEFINITELY A MUST GET.

    • Jacques

      Spezz and Cammelleri – talk about two guys who know nothing about playing Defensive hockey. Wouldn’t touch that unless Michalek going other way. How many years left on his bad contract?

      • Conor_smythe

        … zero

      • Tooks

        Listen here Jacques, IF we could get a #1C/W that could play 200Ft that would be amazing but none are on the market. and would cost an arm and a leg to get.

    • SENSPuckLuck

      I think Camelleri would be awesome. Small guy but big heart. Maybe he can mentor Conicher.

    • Go Sens Go

      Not sure if we can afford his salary but he would be a good player to add for the sens.

    • Tooks

      Mention to Cowen that he is being courted by Calgary…If that doesnt get his game going…nothing will. Then ship him there for Cammalleri. Guy can shoot the hell out of a puck!

  • senate19

    Hey Chirp as a father of two boys, 3 and 4, there is no greater joy than literally watching my boys sleep. Ever since they were babies. What an amazing experience to watch them grow, talk, learn, laugh, think. All the best to you and the Mrs.

  • hq8

    regardless of outcome today, i hope someone on the sens makes cooke pay finally for last season.

    • Miguel

      judging by the dark cloud on this team these days, Niel will try to pummel Cooke, miss him, and go head first into the board… Play is reviewed by NHL and powers that be, deem it an attempt to injure and suspend Neil for 10 games.
      Just the way things seem these days!

    • Go Sens Go

      That ship has sailed. Sens need to focus on the playing full 60+ minutes tonight. Play well defensively and don’t worry about cooke or heatley. Now if the team needs something to pull them together and taking a big hit against these players helps then I am all for it.

    • Tooks

      Yes always a fan favorite gameplan…Goon it up! Chase the opponent around the rink.

      Maclean wont ever get away from his gameplan of defense first hockey. I say screw that and concentrate on offense. Goals go in anyways so why not just play firewagon hockey.

  • Tooks

    Site is back up? what caused the downtime, a trade? a call up?

    • Colin

      Cowen tripped on the power cord

      • Tooks

        That was mint!

    • SensChirp

      Hope ya found someone else to bug during the down time

  • ReleaseTheKarlsson

    Congrats Chirp!

    I’m heading down to tonight’s game, and I’m hoping to see a Sens team that plays like they did against Boston. They seem to be playing to the opponent, and not dictating the play. It’s so frustrating to see them play this year. I think Spezza needs to get another shot with Ryan. I know the Mac-Turris-Ryan line is crushing it, but I think it’s time to see Spezza playing with Ryan again, throw Zbad on the other wing, and give Turris Mac and Conacher. Can’t really get much worse, to be honest.

  • Bob

    Congrats Chirp!!
    Ok, can we now stop this media driven goalie controversy? Great.. Now on to the rest of the team. Our “untouchables” need to perhaps sit a game or two and regardless of ups or downs, 19 needs to go. Great player, no doubt, his best game EVER was vs DET. This is why fans give him a hard time, if can play like that more often there wouldn’t be an issue, but here we are. How many players can we aquire or call up to “play” with Spezza before we realize its him..?

    • Tooks

      Well if the players are not Greening’s, Michalek’s or Conacher’s or Neil’s then ya its on him but when is the last time he had constant top 3 wingers…..ya.

      And he’s still 2pts out of being PPG…

      Give yer head a shake.

      • Bob

        The ottawa senators will Never win a cup with Jason at the helm. Have you not watched him for is time here in Ottawa and you still believe he’s the guy? Don’t care for stats, only one that matters…. CUP.

        • ReleaseTheKarlsson

          And are you someone who is regularly in the room, who knows Spezza and his character enough to say with complete confidence that, because of other factors other than his stats, he will NOT be the captain to lead this team to a cup? I’m so tired of the “lack of leadership” excuse and people ragging on Spezza because he is the guy who is REPLACING ALFREDSSON! It’s not his fault Alfie left, and whether it was Neil or Phillips, this is the team we would be seeing. Alfie was the guy for so long, of course there will be some bumps along the way. No one here is in the room or knows how Spezza leads from within the room, so calling out his character is just BS. His stats is how he leads by example, and shows the rest of us how he leads, and I would love if everyone on the team followed and became a point per game player.

          • Bob

            a captain is a captain, regarless of who he replaces. when he skated away when his team mate is getting thrown around, character?? PPG, great.. how does this matter anyway?

        • Trade Spezza

          TRADE SPEZZA – HE IS NOT A WINNER – NEVER HAS BEEN – NEVER WILL BE

          • xN1Cx

            *fart

          • FBP

            Hodor.

        • Tooks

          Well we didnt win one with Alfie and he was the consumate leader and captain…so what do we need?

          • Bob

            Well.. if you watched that series, you’d remember the sens walked through the eastern conf to only win one game vs ducks. so to answer your question, better players! We have lots too, which is why fans are frustrated. im just saying jason is NOT the guy to motivate this team, it looks like he has a hard time with his own, think its about time to part ways.. that’s all.. :) Smile everbody, its just a game..

          • Tooks

            So who are the “better” players? Are they playing now, if yes then they aint much better are they. If they are in ther AHL or juniors…no they aint better, lol.

            Only guy I consider better is Hoffman over Michalek.

        • The Apostle

          We never won one wiith Alfie either. Guy was clearly a bum. Glad we ditched him.

      • boom

        Watch tonight how many times Spezza takes a draw in the offensive zone and has Karlsson on the point. It seems to rarely happen. The only time they get on the ice together is on the PP.
        Turris’s line, on the other hand, gets Karlsson almost exclusively. I don’t neccessarily disagree with the “all your best eggs in one basket” approach, but I think Spezza has earned the right to be in considered one of those eggs.
        (did I beat that analogy to death?)

    • hq8

      you have to be kidding me lol. outside of heatley, he hasnt had a consistent, steady, healthy guy next to him. yet he is still over PPG CAREER. Its not spezza, and really its not even who his winger is as long as that winger is decent and defensively responsible. as much as people like to harp about getting another top 6 guy for spezz, really on paper its not needed. There are pieces inhouse who can do it

      • Bob

        I love stats, Dan Mario, one of the best QB’s to play the game, know why no one cares, Zero championships! Great that he’s a PPG player, how are those stats in the Playoffs? Oh, and how is Heatly doing today? last year, the year before? Game has changed. Oh! its not ME, its everyone else coach. Please

        • Tooks

          Well if management had surrounded Marino with better players, like other teams had, would he have won Super Bowls? I think you know the answer to that…

  • boom

    I’ll add my congratulations, Chirp.

    I’m betting you’ll be a great Dad. In my experience the most important quality you need as a father is patience, and running this site – and dealing with all of us – should leave you well prepared in this regard.

    Best of luck, it’s the most important, and rewarding, thing you will ever do.

    • MikeS

      We are all his practice kids :)

      • MikeS

        Congrats btw chirp :)

    • SensChirp

      Much appreciated!

  • iKarly65

    Del Zotto’s name still being mentioned. TSN Wiz mentioned it again today, Dreger on the TSN Panel also saying Ottawa among 5-6 teams asking.

    Doesn’t mean they are or will – I’d expect a lot of teams ask about a lot of players.

    The names mentioned were Michalek and Del Zotto, not that they are the only parts that could or would be involved.

    If MM goes out and MDZ comes in, I’d suspect the Sens use that empty forward spot to bring someone up, try to find a guy that can build chemistry on Spezza’s wing. I’d try Hoffman-Spezza-Zibanejad.

    • Alcatraz

      He’s a villain here because of what he did to Karlsson, but any chance ppl would be on board with a MM9+DaCosta for MDZ+Boyle

      I think Boyle and Smith would be a great 3LC/4LC combo. And we also own Boyle younger brother lol

      • xN1Cx

        Would it be enough? Don’t we have his little brother in our system as well?

    • CohMa

      Del Zotto would be an improvement on D, but losing Michalek and filling it with a call-up doesn’t seem like an upgrade. Maybe a trade of Michalek and Wiercioch for Del Zotto and Brassard or Hagelin or Stepan…. But I’m sure that’s not very realistic.

      • Tooks

        I consider Hoffman to be an improvement on Michalek as of right now, yes. Michalek is done, guy just coasts and gets points cuz he rides Spezza’s back.”

        Hoffman has no knee issues, is younger and is playing pretty well in a very tough league right now. Call him up!

    • Jacques

      Do u really believe 5-6 teams are after DelZotto – CECI is better than this guy right now – I don’t see the point.

      • Doc

        You’re a beaut today, aren’t ya?

        • Jacques

          GFY

          • SensChirp

            Ease up, Jacques.

  • Hax

    Finally Wiercioch is back in. Not that he’s been playing great but the biggest problem we have is clearing our zone and that’s one thing Wiercioch is supposed to be good at. We don’t need more scoring, we don’t need better goal-tending, we NEED better team defense and better puck movement from our back end. Borowiecki is great and all but I like Gryba – but would rather see Corvo and Wiercioch play to try and address the biggest problem.

    And really, while I’d love to see Spezza get some proper wingers that’s not the problem either. Spezza’s trying to play a more complete game (which we need). Though since we seem to be unable to stop with the horrible turnovers maybe we should send Grant down for Hoffman and just try and outscore the opposition.

    MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
    Hoffman-Spezza-Michalek
    Greening-Zibanejad-Conacher
    Condra-Smith-Neil

    Methot-Karlsson
    Cowen-Wiercioch
    Phillips-Corvo

    • Jacques

      Trying to play a complete game – what games have you been watching! He’s not trying hard enough obviously. Stop feeding us this bullshit comment! He’s awful in his own zone. Love to get our shots against when Spezz is on the ice and when he’s off the ice. It would startle You! If you can find this I would appreciate it!

      • Jason

        Lol I agree! Spezza is the worst defensive player on the team and he’s the captain, he should be trying to set the example for the younger players.

        • Alcatraz

          I actually think he is alright defensively, but our system has the C chasing the puck and being the main helper. Spezza’s back and skating doesn’t really help this well. A Left wing lock type system may help our team a little more. Or plop Macarthur on his wing, so he has someone who knows what hes doing there

          • Jacques

            Come on Alcatraz, you understand hockey watch how TUrris plays the game in Maclean’s system and tell me Spezza is playing the same way??? No way Jose. If Spezza is hurt I give him a bit of a pass but if he’s healthy he has no excuses. He seems lost in his zone and meanders around. Yesterday he left the box on the PK and giroux was wide open. Can’t figure out why you would use this guy on the PK.

        • Tooks

          No he shouldnt, he should be scoring, he’s not a defensive player by any means, why force it on him. People think Spezza is a liability on Def, he shouldnt be, he shouldnt be counted on to provide defensive help, does Ovie provide it? does Stamkos, Malkin, Giroux? No they dont. Same with Spezza except our our coach wants everyone to be a Selke nominee…

          • Jason

            Lol that’s the dumbest thing i’ve ever heard! Have you ever played hockey before? Honestly, wow.
            Every player on the ice needs to be responsible defensively. He may not be an amazing defensive player but he can’t continue to do blind passes and drop passes to the other team or take 20 seconds to get back to his own end.
            Alfredsson did a pretty good job providing offense and defense, how about a guy named Datsyuk? Yea pretty sure he’s good at it too.

      • Doc

        Yes, it’s all on Spezza! Trade Spezza!!1! Boooo choooo booooooo!!!

    • Tooks

      I would break up the Turris line Hax, well keep Turris and Ryan just move Mac to help Spezza defensively and take pressure off of Spezza having to do it all alone.

      16-19-93
      9-7-6
      89-15-25
      14-57-22
      Def I agree. (Since Cowen is unbenchable…apparently)

  • esk

    i say we get the schenn brothers and del zotto…

    • esk

      why not? all three have potiential …their underperforming but cover our needs…change of scenery could help..gotta take risk

      • esk

        b.schenn would look nice on the left of spezza lol philly is willing to move both brothers according to tsn

        • Doc

          And why do you think that is?

          • esk

            im just thinking out loud.. he was the 5th overall pick in 09 and has offensive potiential..spezza makes everyone better..i rather get him then havlat or hemsky

          • Alcatraz

            Luke Schenn is garbage lol I was so pissed when burke pulled off that JVR trade
            Brayden is good also, but he falls under the “overhyped due to WJC” status (See: Eberle, Stone, Kidd)

          • sprucesens

            I would take brayden and eberle in a second if the price is right…

          • esk

            lol oh shit..luke was also 5th overall pick but in 08…he has no upside at all?

          • Alcatraz

            Well considerings its going on 6 years since he was drafted, about to go to his 3rd team…..fill in the blanks

          • esk

            well I can argue toronto was a shitty team and then he got traded to philly…a team thats having their own issues… never been on a stable team

      • Sandy

        But you won’t give our young players who are underperforming the same chance?

  • Sandy

    Congrats Chirp on the upcoming birth of your first child..
    Three games ago we were so happy this team finally beat the Bruins on home ice. Now after two losses.. blow up the team.
    The defense is a concern and also their intensity.
    This team is a Jekyll & Hyde team. Some games so good.. other games so bad..
    What team will show up tonight?
    It’s like their confidence is getting very low… It shouldn’t be. They have had a couple of really good games.. so they should realize that they can be better than what they are now.
    Do they need defensive help? Yes. But that’s not coming from Binghamton. Another young inexperienced D like Ceci won’t help turn it around.
    If the Sens didn’t have an owner who won’t (or can’t) spend money on the team.. then maybe there would have been a better acquisition of D-man in the off-season other than Corvo. You have to spend money to make money.. Eugene..
    Going to the game to boo loudly x2.

  • Hax

    Wow. I’ve been more worried about next season than this one pretty much since the summer. Not saying we shouldn’t care about this season of course, only that our chances look better next year and beyond as the young guys develop.

    But I guess if the majority here get their way we should trade away our young guys who haven’t matured overnight and go balls out this year. Damn the torpedoes and such.

    Hopefully we can win a few games in a row to quite the freaks a bit if nothing else.

    • Tooks

      Its not that they havent matured overnight, they seem to have regressed in a year. Gryba cannot be counted on as a top 4, Cowen is simply not what we thought he would be at this point. Yes injuries have played a role in his dev but thats part of hockey. The things he needs to work on you cant teach, he has to have it and he doesnt.

      Those are the only 2 young guys I would replace, nothing on Off. Moving forward I think we would be much better without those 2 types of D.

      • Alcatraz

        Well said Tookie. Hax, tomorrow never comes. We rebuilt 3 years ago. Yes we made playoffs last two years but when yuo overachieve (like we have) it brings new expectations. We know what Spezza is capable of, same with Cowen, Anderson etc etc etc

        As a fan, we are allowed to say wow we are shit right now. Because we are. We had a lesser of a team last year yet we competed better and were rarely blown out. This year….

        You say more worried about next year. Thats the same sentinement fo those who said “well we had a tough first schedule, wait till November when its easier.” Now its “We are only 20 games in wait till Christmas.” Soon it will be “Well we weren’t gunna contend this year so be patient and look forward to next year”

        Tomorrow Never Comes

      • 65kwhissell19

        that made 0 sence cowen has what it takes to be great. he is young and the hardest pos to teach is defdman….. he has it we have all seen it from the nhl and from his minor days. u don’t loose it over night. what u said made 0 sence on cowen!!!!!

    • sprucesens

      I think most people want to trade the guys that aren’t pulling their weight, and aren’t a part of our future..no? guys like condra, kassian, michalek, greening, maybe gryba and weircioch. We aren’t saying to trade pageau, puempel,stone, ceci, claesson lazar, prince and so on. I guess the biggest one is cowen. And that is well worthy of debate. If he could get us something great, it should be considered.

      • PraiseAlfie11

        Not calling for the pageaus and lazars to be traded…yet.

      • Hax

        Right – and I’m fine with trading most of the guys you mention and really I’m fine with trading anyone at all if Murray believes said trade would improve the team in the long run.

        I just worry that fan/owner pressure might lead to Murray trying to make some sort of band-aid fix for this season by trading one of our younger guys for some “veteran” blueliner.

        I know we can’t just sit back and watch them lose over and over, but on paper at least the core of this team should improve for the next several years. (Yes “on paper” means nothing.)

    • Sensnation

      Agreed Hax, this comment forum has become whine central in a year an honest fan knew would involve a lot of development and painful growth for some of the young guys. Patience is key with this group of players and I still have full confidence they will continue to improve, especially Cowen who gets the most unfair treatment from fans since Spezza dropped a pass in the playoffs a few years back to Volchenkov who got scared and ran away from it!

      • Hax

        After last night’s first period gaff and the rest of the game where he looked scared, I actually think it’s time to let Cowen take a game or two off. Not saying give up on the guy at all since he’s young and the exact type of player that will take time to develop. But a game off might do him good. We’re so brutal at leaving our zone I think we need Wiercioch, Corvo and Karlsson all playing (for now). One on each pairing.

        I’d love to see Murray/MacLean gather the troops and basically tell them “you guys can get yourselves out of this without some new player coming in”. I know I’ll be told I’m being foolish and rose-colored etc, but if this core group CAN fight their way out of this then imagine how solid they’d be going forward.

        If in two years we still have all or most of this group and they’ve battled through on their own they could be one of the best teams in the NHL:

        MacArthur, Turris, Ryan, Greening, Spezza, Conacher, Zibanejad, Smith, Condra up front – plus whatever young guys are ready or perhaps UFA adds. Methot, Karlsson, Cowen, Wiercioch, Gryba, Borowiecki plus (or maybe subbing in) Ceci etc on the back end. Plus Lehner.

        Not saying every single one of those guys really – but drawing from that core.

  • Tooks

    Excellent article from Senshot. Exactly what most of us think anyways.

    http://senshot.com/2013/11/13/ottawa-senators-fan-base-going-drive-jason-spezza-town/

    • Sensnation

      Very good article and so to the point. Yes his style is not perfect, but he tries hard, has grown his game to be more of a back checker and at some point just needs linemates that know where to be when so his passes don’t end up on the opposition sticks as much. Enough with the Conacher experiment already, he is not the answer and really does not provide enough results for all the determination he shows. Hopefully fans can smarten up in time!

    • Miguel

      atta boy Tooks, great article, he must be loosing his mind playing with a player with one leg on one side and and a Peewee sized player on the other side

  • NickofTime

    First, congrats on the new baby, your life is going to change big time now. You may want to start recruiting posters to help post information for you since you will be too busy to do it yourself. Or you could post on those late nights when the baby is keeping you up & you are walking the halls in the middle of the night anyway. LOL Anyway good luck to both of you it’s a wonderful experience that you’ll never forget.

    I still don’t know why people are upset with Heatley for leaving they should have been upset with Clouston for the way he coached & BM for not firing Clouston sooner. Heatley was the best forward this team has ever had, led our team in scoring, two 50 goal seasons & he always came up big against the stinking Leafs. Looking at his stats while in Ottawa he had almost the same number of assists as goals most yrs, he was a pretty good play maker too. The Heatley- Spezza – Alfredsson line was the best line in Ottawa’s history.

    Cooke on the other hand is a scumbag, always has been & always will be. He is the kind of coward that hits guys from behind & drives them into the boards on purpose or throws an errant elbow & knocks guys out of games & ends careers. He is exactly the kind of player that should be kicked out of the NHL along with Downie, Kaletta & other cowards like them, Why aren’t all the bleeding hearts going after these guys instead of the enforcers who at least have the guts to face the guy they are going to fight?

    If Ottawa loses this one there will certainly be changes tomorrow. I expect BM to place Corvo on waivers, send Conacher to Bingo unless he has a one way, does he? If yes, then one of Gryba, Wiercioch, Boroweicki, Grant or Zibanejad. I doubt Condra sits but I wish BM would include him in any deal. IMO he is irrelevant now with the emergence of Grant as a better more versatile option on the roster.

    • Tooks

      I’m in the same boat as you man, I was pissed off that Clouston was kept over Heatley, OBVIOUSLY you fire the fucking coach over a 2 time 50 goals scorer, I mean WTF…Unless Heatley boned Neil’s wife or had a bareback moment with Phillips, I dont see why in hell they would keep an Idiot coach like Clouston.

      Its never talked about in that light but thats what it should have been, people ahve too much confidence in management that they can do no wrong and just blame the villain player.

      Cooke hasnt hit anyone viciously in the past 2 years, he’s reformed!

    • PraiseAlfie11

      Your point would have merit if you were in the room and had inside knowledge about the man himself. Maybe he was a cancer with an ego the size of ottawa itself?

  • Jacques
    • Jacques

      For those thinking Gryba sucks he’s our best d-man like I’ve been saying. He wasn’t leading the AHL in plus minus for nothing. Let this kid play he’s a beast.

      • Eugenius

        Agreed. Always been a Gryba fan (maybe not our best, but he’s solid). Could he be quicker? Yes…but at least he isn’t soft like Patty W…

        • Jacques

          Not saying Gryba is our best d-man but he’s effective that’s all, and he should be playing.

          • Eugenius

            Yeah. Great on the PK too

          • SenaTHOR

            And only 600K. By far the best deal on the team. I think people dont like him cuz he kills animals and eats them. Damn vegetarians and PETA supporters.

      • boom

        Not sure I agree, but that’s a real nice chart…

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Yost go back to Euklands site you bum

  • 65kwhissell19

    congrads chirp. I have 2 little girls and there the best and its the best feeling in the world ur feel it soon enough congrads

  • luckan20

    Congrats Shirp. Welcome to fatherhood.

  • T K

    Chirp, please accept my congratulations and give my best wishes to Mrs. Dave

  • luckan20

    Win or lose tonight BM should make some drastic changes. The changes must have positive implications in the long run. The way Michalek is playing BM will not offer a contract, unless he is coming with a huge discount. I feel that Michalek is thinking too much about his future. I hope he comes out of his scoring funk. Ottawa should go ahead and push the button to clean up some of the dead weights.

  • karlssens

    Yost says kassian is warming up for the game.. Maybe someone got pulled for a trade?

    • MikeS

      Is he taking line rushes? most of the time they warm up more then the 18 starters anyways

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Get Yost to run the stats on how many times people take the pre-skate and don’t play

      • MikeS

        LOLOLOLOLOL

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Bit of a break. No Pominville.

    • MikeS

      Crap. I have him in my pool

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        Same aha

        • MikeS

          Its a mistake according to tsn1200

          • jasonontheoldsenschirp

            Correct. He is playing. Yay?

          • MikeS

            Hmm. On the plus side if ottawa continues to be aweful, i get lots of pts

          • jasonontheoldsenschirp

            lol. we’ll see

            But Go Sens Go

  • T K

    Just what you expect from the Toronto Sports Network: start a Sens game by planting a bunch of negative thoughts in a player’s mind.

  • MikeS

    Ok, here we go. Go Sens Go

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Wait, who’s in for PW46?

    • MikeS

      I thought PW was replacing Gryba, Ya PW is playing 2nite

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        I like it.

  • T K

    I hate listening to Geraldine Ferraro

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Spezza needs to finish that. We need to score first.

  • MikeS

    Not down by 2 at 5 minutes. Thats an improvement :)

  • MikeS

    What a great turnover by smith

  • T K

    Not your typical Smith play

  • MikeS

    OMG WOW

  • MikeS

    THAT WAS SICKKKKKKKKKK

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    CLARKE.

  • karlssens

    So dirtyyyy

  • karlssens

    Fuck. Momentum killed

  • T K

    Macarthur should get 2 points for that assist

  • MikeS

    are you kidding, after that goal you have to kill that off…. -_-

  • MikeS

    WAY TO GO CC!

  • karlssens

    What’s wrong with our pk? Good lord

    • MikeS

      ya. they have 2 less goals given up then they did in over twice the game last year

    • Eugenius

      Karl plays nearly the entire game….not sure he needs to be out there on the PK

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Keep the faith guys.

    The Sens will win this one.

  • karlssens

    Honestly Phillips is so shitty.

  • Rizzo

    Holy Shit.

    MacArthur with one of the best set-ups I’ve ever seen.

    Ever.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    MIKA. EFF YOU PAUL MACLEAN.

  • MikeS

    WAY TO GO ZIBBY!!!

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    What a goal man wowwwwww

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Mika Zibanejad is so under-appreciated by the coaches and management it is a CRYING shame. Such a good, smart ass player. You see that anticipation to pick up that pass attempt? And the effort on to score?

    Incredible.

    • Millennium

      smart ass?

    • Jacques

      And for a young guy he’s very responsible defensively too.

  • karlssens

    I can’t believe MacArthur would try that.. So amazing

  • Millennium

    2 AWESOME goals tonight for the Sens

  • 65kwhissell19

    big smile on my face lol

  • Mat

    Excellent game for Conacher so far.

  • Eugenius

    I wonder if Greening plans on scoring this year

    • Shibal

      As I mentioned yesterday, Maclean is way too loyal to Greening. Greening has done nothing to warrant playing with Spezza this year. I believe 6th sens has mentioned that Greening has 11 points and 4 goals in his last 42 games!.

      Zibanejad on the other hand; counting his goal today, puts him fourth on the team goal scoring, while playing the third least amount of minutes after Kassian and Grant. Also he has played half the games.

  • Eugenius
    • Eugenius

      Wrong game, I know…but I had just never seen it so clearly until a moment ago…

  • karlssens

    Andy..

    • Mexican Baby Jesus

      Nah thats Dave Camerons fault

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Andy needs to have that.

  • SensFanInMTL

    “Assisted by # 15, Dany Heatley…”

    Crowd over at CTC: “BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!”

  • Mexican Baby Jesus

    Dany Fucking Heatley!!!!!!!!

  • karlssens

    Anderson wtf

  • T K

    Whassamatter with Smith? Playing weirdly tonight

    • Eugenius

      He needs to understand that when he’s out there with Bobby……GIVE THE PUCK TO BOBBY

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    wow.

  • SensFanInMTL

    Wait for the announcement…

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    karl cannot play defence.

    • 65kwhissell19

      NOT EVEN ANDERSON SHOULD OF BEEN DOWN WAITING FOR THAT PUCK

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        Bad D too. Both are playing bad….

  • MikeS

    andy cannnot let that in….

  • 65kwhissell19

    worse goalie in the nhl CRAIG ANDERSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    The Sens suck

  • karlssens

    Sens are actually playing great, however Andy needs to have those 2

    • Jacques

      Andy has been kidnapped by aliens! who is this guy in nets?? Phillips has been bad big time.

  • 65kwhissell19

    this team is driving me nuts

  • karlssens

    I wonder if Bryan has asked euge for an extra 5 mill in space.. We need it.

    • Jacques

      Haha

  • Eugenius

    total dive. weak

  • karlssens

    Pp.. Oh gawd

  • MikeS

    They need to stop calling Boro for bodychecking…

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    That’s a wrap.

  • karlssens

    Phillips doesn’t even move lol

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      LOL

  • T K

    Strange to see the Canadian tire guy in the old Tim’s commercial

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Mika Zibanejad has only played 2:46.

    Why has Mika Zibanejad only played 2:46.

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      Paul Maclean is a fool.

  • karlssens

    The sens we know and hate are back haha, that first period was a nice little tease though :p

  • MikeS

    The wild have not got a penalty yet….wtf, and they miss that clear slash on turris

    • Jacques

      Is Tim Peel reffing this game?

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    I feel so bad for Mika. Guy does everything right and the coach still shits on him. He can never win. Such a shame

    • MikeS

      Not that I am comparing him to obrien but Mac doesnt seem to like players scoring with limit time

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        No your right. To this day I don’t think anyone really has an answer for JOB’s fallout. At the time, the guys was playing fine, and was actually leading the team in goals.

        I don’t understand Paul Maclean.

    • Jacques

      He has to play.

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        He DESERVES to play. The coach and GM don’t believe in him for some reason. Kid has buttloads of talent.

  • Jacques

    The Ranger dope on hockey Buzz thinks that the Sens would offer Zibby for Del Zotto, WTF is that guy smoking….. Murray would be crucified!

    • Mexican Baby Jesus

      MDZ is just another giveaway machine like Karlsson except without the same offence

  • Luc Wolfe

    My eyes hurts so bad

  • Jacques

    What has happened to Jerry Seinfeld(Cowen), Kulikov in his place would help our mobility. You need guys who can get back fast to get the puck nowadays. You need one speedster per pairing, we have one out of 6 and he is still recouping from a serious injury.

  • T K

    If the coaching staff have an issue with a player, it would be due to one or more of:
    - cheating offensively (ignoring their defensive obligations)
    - poor work ethic / effort
    - attitude of entitlement (which is common within his age group)

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      None of which Mika is a victim of.

      • Eugenius

        He also looks dangerous offensively. Greening and Milo are always on the outside

        • jasonontheoldsenschirp

          this.

      • Millennium

        how would you know anything about his work ethic and attitude? We don’t see those things. In fact, it was his conditioning and attitude that they specifically said he needed to work on.

        • jasonontheoldsenschirp

          How do you know it IS a problem? From what I see from Mika, his attitude and ethic is just fine, because everytime he’s on the ice he makes something happen.

          Can’t say the same for Colin Greening.

          • Millennium

            they SAID it was a problem. That’s how. Now if you want to accuse them of lying, that’s a different debate.

            “From what I see” – that’s the whole point. These are off-ice issues that we fans don’t see. You can’t just look at his hustle and energy and infer that his attitude and conditioning are fine.

          • jasonontheoldsenschirp

            LOL ya, Da Costa’s conditioning was a lot better wasn’t it.

            Too bad he’s SHIT.

            I don’t believe for a second conditioning is the reason why Mika Zibanejad has only played 5 minutes this game. The coach is an idiot

          • Millennium

            you’re just embarrassing yourself with how dumb you sound.

          • jasonontheoldsenschirp

            My face is red.

          • Shibal

            Man Gord Miller know nothing. The criticism about Zibanejad conditioning was made last year before the end of the lockout during his time with Bingo. He only had like 1 goal in 10 games, supposedly he was playing injured during that time.

            The only thing close criticism Maclean made about Zibanejad this year is that some times he has to cut the ice time of young players. Which really does not make sense because Zibanejad has not played bad at all so far into the season. Just go read Yost’s blog today, in a chart he shows that Zibanejad has been one of the sens best defensive players.

            Plus when things are happening off the ice, I really don’t see the logic in not giving a guy ice time during a game, when the guy is playing really well when it matters.

          • jasonontheoldsenschirp

            Preeaaacch

          • Millennium

            I’m not defending the decision to limit his ice. in fact I don’t agree with it at all. Zibby should be playing big minutes on Spezza’s win.

            Nor am I offering the answer for the situation. We don’t actually know what the answer is, but if its the organization vs ‘jasonontheoldsenschirp’, then you’ll excuse me if I trust the team over this clown.

          • Sensnation

            Greening is the only guy that actually makes Spezza line look decent this year. Don’t know why, but no one else even understands where to be when playing with Spezza. Chemistry within the lines is really this team’s biggest issue right now!

      • T K

        Work ethic might not be on ice. Could be curfew related, nutritional, conditioning; any number of things.

        Maybe one of the assistants has soured the other coaches against him. We’ll never know…

    • Jacques

      You talking about Spezza and not Zibby right??? Zibby one of our better 2 Way guys.

      • Shibal

        You just posted the chart made by Yost
        today proving it all.

      • T K

        I’m not singling out any one of the young guys. All and none at the same time

  • Mexican Baby Jesus

    Although I agree MZ should be playing more, I also have complete trust in PMac

  • Mexican Baby Jesus

    Remember Cowen’s first game back from injury and he absolutely decked that guy in open ice and everybody was like “oh baby our big hitter is back!”…yeah

    • karlssens

      Yah and he hit Jeff “skate with my head down” skinner.

      • Jacques

        Skinner was caught doing a triple axle with his head down!

  • SensFanInMTL

    So many empty seats at CTC. Very disturbing to notice.

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      Win and we’re in.

  • MikeS

    Well. Atleast the sens are playing 2nite….. too bad andy didnt show up

  • Mexican Baby Jesus

    Aww Smith thought he scored. How cute

    • Jacques

      Yeah really!

  • MikeS

    Sens are leading in every statistical category except the scoreboard…..

  • Luc Wolfe

    Congrats Chirp on the baby news. .. my wife is due Monday but being our first child it might be pushed to overtime. Now if ottawa lose tonight something has to be done to bring some goals on the spezza line. We need to see what a good gm is all about. Now before that . Hopefully ottawa ends the night with a goal over Minnesota.

  • Tom P

    Boys are playing well, need to keep it up !

    • Sensnation

      Go SENS GO!!! Exciting game for sure!

  • luckan20

    It is matter of time before we score. We are getting close. It is time we bring our “A” game in the 3rd period.

    • MikeS

      A game? This is their A-game. They are out-shooting mini 2-1, just some bad goals by andy.

  • Eugenius

    One day it’d be fun to watch Bobby play with Spezz…….Mac and Turris have something cute going on, and Bobby isn’t getting the puck nearly enough…meanwhile one of the best playmakers in the league has Zero-Goals Greening on his wing….

  • MikeS

    MR METHOT!

  • SensFanInMTL

    What exactly is left to do before Murray does something?

    • Luc Wolfe

      Ottawa loses 10 straight and melnyk puts a for sale sign

      • SensFanInMTL

        And how much until we win the Cup?

        • Luc Wolfe

          I see ottawa winning a cup with Lehner but this team needs veterans that aren’t 35+ years old. Gonchar was for more valuable than we thought. Thought I never said that.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Mika Zibanejad has more goals than Milan Michalek in less games and a fraction of the ice time.

    • MikeS

      I wonder what Total TOI is between them?

      • MikeS

        5 goals in 169 min for zibby. 3 goals in 378min for MM.

  • MikeS

    They never even got the puck into the zone….

  • Eugenius

    Embarrassing PP

    • Luc Wolfe

      I sadly have to agree on that

      • karlssens

        Pp? I thought we were on the pk..

        • MikeS

          What is this PP you talk of? In ottawa we only know of PK

  • MikeS

    I kind of want to see:
    Ryan, Spezza, Conacher
    Macarthur, Turris, Zibby

    • Mexican Baby Jesus

      Yeah….MZ and Turris would be good together. I think the most important part of that line right now is Turris-Macarthur and not so much Ryan

      • Sensnation

        They had Ryan with Spezza to start camp, the coach much prefers the chemistry he has with Turris and Mac. I wouldn’t touch the Turris line right now, just find Spezza someone not named Michalek or Conacher!

        • MikeS

          Turris/Mac have the chemistry. They play great without ryan 2. The problem is finding out how to get another line going right now

          • Sensnation

            Turris and Ryan play great without Mac, Spezza and Turris play great without Ryan. I agree, they need to find a way to have 2 lines with Spezza and Turris on each and Ryan joining 1 of them. They have 3 top end players for 2 lines, how do you split them?

            Since Spezza is technically the leader and the better player, he should have the best chance at elevating lesser players than Turris would. Just still looking for those right linemates to click and Michalek is too inconsistent for anyone’s liking.

            Also Turris/mac/Ryan becomes a serious shutdown line that can play with other teams top lines!

      • MikeS

        I agree. I think turris/Macarthur are generating possession and Ryan is just a finisher. I think Zibby would be strong in that role, maybe a little less skill then ryan. But ryan can give spezza more space then zibby.

  • Luc Wolfe

    Man that heatley-hossa trade really didn’t work out for ottawa.

  • MikeS

    Maybe they can get a shot this time

  • Sensnation

    Woohoo!!!

  • MikeS

    Well that went much better

  • T K

    Woo ooooo Hoooooooo

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Zibanejad now has a goal and an assist. PP instantly clicks when the kid gets a CHANCE. Eff you haters.

    • MikeS

      I was saying use him instead of turris on the point a while ago but got shot down. He has a bomb

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        Mika has shown to have that bomb from the side boards. Mac just never uses him.

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      Oh, and he’s only played for EIGHT MINUTES.

    • T K

      I would not call myself a “hater”. Not by a long shot. Simply that something is going on and we’ll never know what it is.

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        The kid is good and is playing lights out.

        /discussion.

        • T K

          LOL. My coding days started with FORTRAN, pascal, LISP and APL. I always find it funny when people use markup language expressions…
          ;-)

  • Luc Wolfe

    Cancel the trade!!! Michalek scores … rumors say Ryan was wearing michalek jersey. To be continued.

    • Sensnation

      Trade him while he’s hot! ;) jk

      • Luc Wolfe

        Deep down you are not kidding. … we all know it

  • MikeS

    Cowen just played a whole shift without bending his knees!

    • Millennium

      That’s most shifts for him sadly. The guy coasts more than any D man I’ve seen in recent years.

  • MikeS

    Man, what did Michalek drink in the intermission?

  • MikeS

    There is no other d-man in the league who can make the play karlsson just did

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    TSN giving Mika some props too. Well deserved.

    • Mat

      Seriously, the whole team played well. Goals 3 and 4 should never had happened.

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        Still played well.

  • Luc Wolfe

    Trade talks all over again

  • MikeS

    wow…..Andy is fricking aweful tonite…

    • Luc Wolfe

      He was screened though.

    • Sensnation

      Release the LEHNER!!!

    • Eugenius

      Kyle and Bobby could have given him a hand there

    • MikeS

      0.834 sv% is nhl Level :)

    • Mat

      Andy is awful period. Average of 4 goals per game. Put his ass on the bench. Make him the god damn backup.

  • Jacques

    6 and 7 didn’t back check to hard there.

    • SenaTHOR

      This is the center of the problem. Lazy backchecks.

  • MikeS

    wtf is phillips doing on the ice when we need a goal

  • Jacques

    Terrible.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    This is depressing.

  • T K

    Damn.

  • MikeS

    This ones on Andy. Players deserved it, he lost it for them

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      yep

    • Mat

      He’s lost a few for them this year. Fucking guy sucks. Get rid of him!

  • SensFanInMTL

    Why take a time out? What does MacLean expect in 3.8 seconds? Just end the game already.

  • Luc Wolfe

    I’ll be the first saying this. .. I smell a trade happening

    • SensFanInMTL

      Anderson’s contract is expiring. He is definitely a candidate to be one of many out the door at or before deadline.

      • Mat

        Seriously, he’s as deflating as Gerber or Leclaire. The problem is we keep thinking he’s good… The guy can’t string 2 games in a row. Id be losing my shit on him in the locker room.

      • MikeS

        It expires next year. If he keeps playing like this we will be stuck with him for the next 1.75 seasons

        • SensFanInMTL

          Well someone better take his contract. I can handle Lawson playing 5 games between deadline and season’s end. Lehner plays everything else.

          • Jacques

            Lawson would outgoal Andy easily right now.

    • Sensturion

      But you’re not the first to say it…

      • Luc Wolfe

        Says who?

        • Sensturion

          You must be new here.

    • H POTTER

      It’s like saying morning comes after the night..DUH! I have to say though I am puzzled at why did they insisted on sticking with Andy after Lehner won 3 straight. He stuck with Anderson even when be lost 2 in a row after is neck got hurt…I can only hope that they were trying to showcase him but that back fired BIG time… he’s not even worth a bag of pucks

  • karlssens

    I’m panicking!!!

    • Jacques

      You kill me! Haha no kidding. Situation is now critical. Murray come on!

  • MikeS

    I dont get it. When the goalies play good, the players suck. When the players play good, the goalies suck…..

    • Luc Wolfe

      No andy was below average since the season started

  • Jacques

    Cowen doesn’t move well, Cowen and Andy are our major trading pieces you’d have to think. With a couple of stiffs thrown in for leverage(14 and 22).

    • Jacques

      If you can unload 4 guys to bring in 2 would allow has to bring up a couple of deserving Bingo guys!

    • SensFanInMTL

      Je suis d’accord, mille pour cent.

      • SensFanInMTL

        About the Cowen & Andy trading pieces and the other stiffs you had mentioned above.

        • Luc Wolfe

          Edmonton could be a fit ilya is lame anyway

      • Jacques

        Merci Bro! I’m a Montreal Sens fan too

        • SensFanInMTL

          Yes, yes you are.

          • Luc Wolfe

            Ah non pas d’autres francophone s.

        • H POTTER

          Eh les gars on va devoir se rencontrer un de ses 4 pour regarder une game des sens! ( hopefully by then they won’t be so freaking consistent in INCONSISTENCY)

  • Mat

    This is brutal. The team played well. I’m fucking pissed. I hope Andy gets an earful in the locker room. Then I hope he goes home and makes a chicken sandwich.

    • Luc Wolfe

      Lol with a knife

    • Jacques

      That was good. Hope there are two frozen chicken breasts in the freezer!

    • sprucesens

      first off, dumb idea. Nobody is gonna lay into him, thats not how teams work. The coach can sit him down and have a talk. And a statement can be made by giving the lehner the next few starts. Also, common sense says andy is worth more in a trade when he can still play hockey

      • Mat

        Hahaha. How teams work? What part of this team is working?

  • SensFanInMTL

    Nobody should endure to watch Greening anymore. 2011-2012 was a decent one and a year he will never accomplish again. Let’s fill that LW position and call up Hoffman soon. This is getting ridiculous now.

  • Luc Wolfe

    THIS IS JUST IN. Ottawa has yet to make a trade. To be continued

    • H POTTER

      Hahahahaha

  • sprucesens

    please god let this mean a trade. and i am not a religious man!
    any one or 2 of michalek, greening, condra, gryba, wiercioch, phillips for a smaller return
    or
    cowen, andy for a larger return.
    Also, let phillips get injured for the rest of the season. Then he can retire a senator, and we don’t have to live with that grenade he keeps throwing to the opposing team’s blue liners so they can hammer a good shot at the net.
    As always, great play from the turris line, except BRyan was mostly invisible tonight. Few good chances at the end though.
    On a positive note, what an assist by macarthur! Also excellent goal from zibby.

    • Luc Wolfe

      Please dear god don’t give us a 5’7″ Player again.

      • sprucesens

        i assume you mean conacher. aside from the fact he hasn’t gotten stats, he has actually played really well. but he could be trade bait too i suppose

        • Luc Wolfe

          Yeah but we have pageau… 2 player their size is the full quota a team can have

          • sprucesens

            ok, just wasn’t sure if you didn’t like conacher or not. Yes we can’t go too small. Only small guy i would take is cammelleri. But we would have to lose someone else small. my vote is condra

    • SensFanInMTL

      Damn dude. Gryba’s still new to the game. Michalek’s trade value, if any, will be for nothing better than a 2nd rounder at most.

      • Mat

        YES PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • SensFanInMTL

          F that! Milan’s a former 1st rounder.

          To Anaheim: Milan Michalek
          To Ottawa: Stefan Noesen

    • sprucesens

      also, is zibanejad some kind of arrogant asshole or something? He played a solid game and went hard to the net creating offense every shift, and after 2 periods, he had what was it, 5 mins? WTF?

    • Jacques

      Just bench Phillips, it’s his turn. A pro hockey team is about winning. Let’s see what we do without him, he was bumbling the puck all night.

  • Jacques

    Alex Rodriguez has the brain of a hamster!

  • Shibal
  • Sensturion

    Listen my children and you shall hear
    Of the Senators goaltending of yesteryear
    On the nineteenth of May, in Twenty-Thirteen
    Hardly a man is now seen
    Who remembers that famous day and year.

    T’was the last time he was seen
    The one who had been
    Craig Anderson was his name
    Stopping the puck was his fame
    But not anymore, now they just score.

    I’M A POET! The first half was adapted from “The Midnight Ride of Paul Revere”.

    • Sensturion

      Well I thought it was a decent poem… I’m just gonna go ahead and like my own post

      • SensFanInMTL

        I liked the last statement about responding to your own post, so I gave you one as well.

  • MikeS

    If andy had 0.920 sv%, The sens would have extra points in 7 games now. This is getting aweful

  • luckan20

    Last goal by Koivu was a deflection. I believe defense 101 teaches that don’t leave your stick in a vulnerable position. It was the only goal couldn’t have stopped, but rest of the goals were all softies.

  • SensFanInMTL

    #NoDustForHoffman

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Sens player of the game: Mika Zibanejad.

    • Sensturion

      And as usual, Maclean barely plays him.

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        For reasons unknown.

        • MikeS

          Its JOB all over again, except ZIBBY>>>>>>JOB

          • jasonontheoldsenschirp

            lol

          • Shibal

            Atleast Zibanejad does not whine about his ice time like Yakupov.

          • 65kwhissell19

            not yet…….I would start if I was hi,. glad he got more ice time in the 3rd but was to late

          • Jacques

            Except Zibby is a good player and JOB is just a hockey player with a big nose!

        • SensFanInMTL

          I sense a little of favouritism. If not, then fuckin play the kid. You cannot hold someone back if it meant good results and if there is turmoil between P-Mac & Zibby, this will cause major problems down the road. We’re looking at being unhappy with one another, trade requests, etc. Prevent all that is a possibility.

  • Mat

    I love that everyone is calling for #freeHoffman.. Really? I think its time we #freeMichalek.

    Drive to the forrest, open the cage and let him go.

    • Jacques

      Haha!

    • SensFanInMTL

      #FreeHoffman
      #Re-freePageau
      #PlayMikaMore
      #SitoutGreeningNao
      #Hashtag

    • H POTTER

      Lmao..hahahahaha

  • Sensturion

    Not to deflect any anger from the Sens but… How awful would it be if Alfie didn’t play on December 1st? Holy riot breaking out. Everyone rushing to sell their overpriced tickets.

    • Jacques

      I have my tickets for that one. Bought a 3 pack.

      • TookieIs100PercentRight

        Have a pair of tickets for that game, selling them instantly if Alfie doesn’t play. Team is garbage right now, not worth the inflated price of admission.

  • Jacques

    Give Lehner the ball and let him play a bunch. trade Andy in a package and let Lawson 2,29 0.934 back him up. Lawson should be in the NHL not his fault he played on those lousy Islander teams. We have Driedger, Brassard, and Hogberg in the system, we are still sitting pretty. We have other needs that Andy will help us acquire.

    • SensFanInMTL

      As great of a pick Driedger & Brassard are, they are still years away from even stepping onto an NHL ice. We cannot have them be thrown right away like that Darcy Kuemper and have everything thrown to grosse marde.

      • Jacques

        I know that just saying even if we have to go Lehner and Lawson a couple of years it’s still solid. Lawson when I can catch Bingo is awesome.

        • Sensnation

          Lawson may be useable as an NHL backup, but if Lehner went down due to injury the team would be f’d with just Lawson and nothing else.

    • Aaron 2.0

      I’m all about more Lehner. I’ve been saying it since he didn’t get the start after his 3-game win streak. I’m not sure if there is much of a goalie market for trading Anderson. The return may not be worth it at this point. We don’t know how Lehner would respond being the only legitimate goaltender in Ottawa too. I would keep both. But, right now, i’d be giving Lehner way more games.

      • CC

        Anderson to Calgary!

    • SenaTHOR

      Glad you aren’t my stock broker. Sell low and save your ass. Don’t see that working well. At least let him find success before you trade him.

  • Aaron 2.0

    The sens played good enough to win the game. I’m not saying the same issues weren’t there tonight, but, overall they actually were the better team tonight, which is a positive.

    Anderson didn’t do his job tonight. I don’t get why he’s getting so many starts. He hasn’t been very good this season. Pucks go in early every game. And, you never get the timely save with him. The guy is struggling and meanwhile Lehner is sitting on the bench.

    Spezza’s minutes need to be reduced. I have no idea what’s going on, but, he’s terrible right now. And, it’s not just his line mates. Something seems wrong with him, and I have no clue what it is.

    Time to give Zibanejad more minutes. He should be in the top 6. If the coach refuses to put him there, than let him keep developing in the AHL. 4th line minutes (5 minutes in the first 2 periods I think it was) doesn’t make any sense for a developing player. It’s these sort of decisions that have me starting to lose faith in the coaching staff.

    • LeafsSux

      Amen to that!!!!

  • MikeS

    Mac presser in a nutshell “______ played real good” (insert any skater on the team)

  • Jacques

    Rutkowski just been demoted to ECHL, means somebody going down to bingo.

    • Righteous Smoke

      Hopefully its COWEN!!!! He is still waiver exempt!

      • 65kwhissell19

        its not cowen… he was a plus 1 this game. and doesn’t play as bad as everyone says

  • MikeS

    When your “starting goalie” lets in 1.7 more goals/shot, your probably going to lose more

  • Red4ever

    These guys are brutal! Get rid of Anderson. That’s the shitty thing about all sports. One year you love those players, the next, you wanna drop them. It’s just the reality. Anderson might still pull some quality return. Lehner gives stability to defence. FUCK these guys piss me off.

  • Mat

    On a positive note, best of luck to you Chirp! I’m guessing Mrs Chirp is in labour right now. Your headed on a heck of ride. Enjoy every second! Hear Hear!!

    • Aaron 2.0

      Good as time as any to echo these well wishes, Chirp. I hope everything goes smoothly for you and your better half. Enjoy it. It’s just an awesome experience!

  • LeafsSux

    And the saga continues…..

  • SensFanInMTL

    Is anyone questioning MacLean at this point or do we still think he’s the man from 2011-2012?

    ie: not playing Zibby enough, man love for Greening?, Doppleganger. etc.

  • Sensturion

    We’ve been shitting on the poor play of the defensemen, but at what point does the blame fall on goaltending? They are the last line of defense after all… Maybe Cowen, Wiercioch, Corvo and Philips look worse than they are because of goaltending…
    On second thought, it isn’t the goalies fault Philips is incapable of getting out of the zone.

    • Millennium

      You need to remember the ridiculous record of shots allowed in the first part of this season. Franchise records in shots allowed on back to back nights. The fact that the goalies got out with respectable numbers is a feat in itself.

      Andy sure hasn’t looked the same of late, but early on there was no way to centre the blame on goalies alone.

      • 65kwhissell19

        the last 3 or 4 games andy has been horrible

        • Millennium

          I agree, but early on the defence were just as bad / worse

          • 65kwhissell19

            yes true. but the shots are getting lower to 30s not not 50s. and he getting worse now

          • Millennium

            yeah its a troubling trend for sure.

    • 65kwhissell19

      tonight I blame Anderson

  • WaitingSince92

    This business with Mika is starting to get very puzzling. At first, I just assumed there were some things that MacLean sees that I miss.

    I’ve always trusted Paul, even (especially) when I don’t understand him, but WHAT exactly does Mika have to do to get off that 4th line and get some more minutes?!?!?

    I’m completely perplexed. What the shit is going on? Get Melnyk betting on Mika getting less than X minutes of ice time, then calling in the fix?

    • Shibal

      Mika’s corsi today was a crazy 15 for and 5 against in only 12 mins of ice time. I really hope this was a statement game from towards Maclean, because Greening had 0 shots with 16 mins of ice time.

  • T K

    I hate to say this but, at times, this Sens team feels almost….. Cloustonesque.

    There. I said it. Sad but true.

    • Doc

      You feel dirty now, don’t you?

  • Guest

    Maclean has gotta play MacArthur with Spezza! Spezza is best when someone does the work for him. MacArthur is a workhorse in the offensive zone and can get the puck to Spezza. I know it means breaking up our top line but I’d rather win!

  • sprucesens

    yikes, from the rangers blogon hockeybuzz “several teams have interest in Del Zotto, including Ottawa and Calgary, sparking speculation that Zibanejad or Glencross could be the return, though I doubt either occur”
    I think i would boycott sens management if they traded zibby now for del zotto. Luckily murray is at the helm, and i can’t see that be anything near a trade that happens. If it was zibby, it better be for brassard and del zotto. And that won’t happen. So lets hope he’s WAY out to lunch.

    • 65kwhissell19

      if they trade zibby for eather one off them players oh boy I will start cheering for another team. zibby is gonna be way better then both off them that a bad trade

    • Doc

      lol…Hockeybuzz. Cute.

  • 65kwhissell19

    there is no way that’s happening. 6th overall pick who will net 35 goals a year. and has a hell off a shot. and good speed and starting to see his board play come in..zibby is worth more I would think. he has 14 games 5g 2a 7 points… he on pace for 26 goals.. he has only played 65 games 12g 16a not even a full year n he getting bigger now at 6”2 211 pounds.. this is what we need down the middle or on the wing. he will be closer to 6”3 closer to 220 eather a centre or a winger. don’t think murry is that stupit to give that up. its hard to get a good centreman an zibby gonna be one.. he is only 20 years old. cant see it.

  • fan of Big Ben

    I miss Ben Bishop

    • Mexican Baby Jesus

      Why ? Lehner is better

  • Ozzyhockey

    I agree with the lineups everyone’s posting. At this point, if Murray can’t make a trade or 2, we need to bring up bingo. It worked for us once before, why not try it again? And not just 1 call up, it has to be at least 2 guys. Stevie Y owned us with that bishop trade. Is it time for Tim Murray to take over as GM?!? I really like BM though, I always have. Even when everyone was calling for his head a few years ago.
    Oh and what about Bryan Burke!! Looks like he did a good job with the Leafs. With all the heat that guy took, look at how well they played last season and even better this year.

  • senate19

    Okay, someone needs to defend Andy here. He hasn’t been great this year, but neither has the rest of the team. Because he’s the goalie, and there’s not a stable of other wingers or defencemen to take his place, the magnifying glass gets put on him.

    Last year he was phenomenal, and this year he’s lacking confidence. Instead of tearing him down, he needs to be built up. He’s obviously got all the tools to be an amazing goalie, just like Lehner, but when you have zero confidence, you play poorly.

    Yes, I can see him being traded, and I don’t mind the move, because he’s an asset with value. Just don’t trade him because ‘he sucks now’.

    • Doc

      That’s usually how it goes. It’s easier to blame one guy, the goalie, then rotating group of 5 players in front of him.

      He hasn’t been that great this year, but he hasn’t been horrible. Our team D is just atrocious.

      • Tooks

        True but at some point he has to make the saves. His SV% is terrible and thats on the goalie. He’s not facing that many shots and letting a ton in. If his SV% was up there in the .930′s then ya, its totally on the D group. But he’s hovering just over .900, thats not good.

        • Doc

          Well, it’s not that simple. If the guys in front keep leaving the goalie out to dry by letting the opposing players get good scoring chances, there’s only so much he can do. A lot of the goals we saw in the last couple of games, besides a few bad ones by the goalies, have been a direct consequence of a bad play by either a D or a Forward.

  • PraiseAlfie11

    The answer is obvious. Someone (or more likely a small group) are dicks. We will never know who.

  • my2sens

    I would have to say that if the Sens played each game like the last, we would be in for an easy fix. Last night, we played pretty decent (except second period).

    I don’t think a trade is going to fix the team right now. I believe in the group we have.

    The biggest on ice issue is the defencemen not having faith in their goalies and placing themselves and their sticks in lanes when they shouldn’t.

    The biggest off ice issue is not the coach, rather the assistant coaches.

    All that being said, I am never one to single out a player. But last night, Greening was horrible. No drive to the puck, 0 shots on net with a lot of ice time…. I think it is time to replace Greening.

    Hoffman-Spezza-Zibby
    Macarthur-Turris-Ryan
    Michalek- Pageau-Condra
    Conacher?-Smith-Neil

    I am more and more pleased with Ryan & Macarthur – welcome to the Sens boys. Please stay.

  • my2sens
    • Doc

      Sick, wasn’t it? MacArthur has been awesome since the start of the season. Him and Turris are ridiculous together.

      • my2sens

        At first when it didn’t go through, I was thinking to myself, here we go again. Another highlight reel move that gets saved – that the hockey gods have trumped us yet again. But thankfully it squeaked through!

        • Doc

          Yeah same here, lost my temper for like a second lol.

  • boom

    Wow, that was impressive – every night someone different steps up and sucks.
    That Karllsson/Anderson debacle was just embarassing. I bet there’s not another combination of defenceman and goalie in the league who would have allowed that goal to be scored.

    And if MacLean continues to give Greening significant ice-time while Zibanejad gets splinters in his ass, he should be forced to give back the Jack Adams he won, and admit the only reason he did was because he was fortunate enough to be behind the bench during one of Craig Anderson’s “on” years. Anderson, true to form, is now having an “off” year, and MacLean has no answers.

    But, no, I must be wrong – it’s all Spezza’s fault, right?

  • Kielbasa

    Some coworkers and I had a box in the 100′s last night. AWESOME seats…BRUTAL game. How is it they can come out in the first period like that; dominating, determined, skating and playing strong…to come out in the 2nd having hung their skates up to dry for the rest of the game.

    Anderson was just brutal last night. Seriously bad. He should have been pulled as he had let in 3 goals on what 13 shots? Not acceptable.

    Phillips…hasn’t shown up all season and seriously needs to sit. Or at least change his rubber stick for one that won’t waffle on every single pass. Not acceptable.
    Spezza…it is time for him to stand up and play. Until he does, this team isn’t going to get behind him. His play right now shows that he just doesn’t care. Who cares who his linemates are. He’s the captain. He’s unbelievably talented. Show some leadership and stop playing like you don’t want to be here. NOT ACCEPTABLE.

    PM needs to bench half this team right now and call up the kids from Bingo that want to play. Because right now, the only players on this team that want to play are Turris, MacArthur, Ryan and Borowiecki. The rest have forgotten that the season started, or they just want to get on the first train out of here like Alfie did.

    I have never been to CTC where you could literally hear a pin drop.

  • Tooks

    How can Paul Maclean not break up the Turris line, the excuse of “Well its our only line thats clicking” ya and we’re still losing…, we all know they would still click, even with duo’s of Turris Ryan or Turris Mac. You dont have to be an NHL coach to see that Spezza needs help, Put Mac or Ryan with him and balance out the lines. This is just getting ridiculous.

    MacArthur Spezza Zibanejad (deserves it)
    Michalek Turris Ryan <—-Maybe Turris and Ryan can ignite a fire under Milan's ass.
    Conacher Smith Neil <—- Played well enough to stay together, crash line.
    Greening Grant Condra

    Wouldnt this be alot better?!?!

    • my2sens

      Throw in someone other than Greening and I would agree that that is better…

    • aegiszx

      Or you get Zibby off the wing. God damn it, the poor kid was groomed and raised as a C, and he comes to the bigs and what… he gets put on the wing because the coach doesnt like his face-off %… It took Ovi how long to embrace the switch from LW to RW? Imagine goin from C to RW.

      The coaches have the dilemma of keeping Zibby, but there’s no room for him on C, so they are forcing him to play wing just because they want to keep him but… not utilize him the way he was meant to be.

      Zibby on C or no Zibby at all. I feel for the kid, there are so many other teams he could slide into the 2C role. Might as well use him for bait.

      • Shibal

        Actually Zib as a winger is way more dangerous than Zib as a center.
        When he plays wing he loves to shoot, and he has a great shot. Last year
        when he played center, he had chances to shoot during a great rush, but
        for some reason his playmaking instincts kicked in and he ended up
        passing for a low quality shot by his winger. As a center he had 7 goals in 40 some games, this year he already has 5 goals in 14 games as a winger.

        His draft stocks rose only because he played wing in the world under 18s, and scored 6 points in one of the games, which included a hat-trick

    • Senatollah

      No. Get Michalek off the top 2 lines. His asset was his speed and its gone. Maybe its the knee not able to get to same speed, but whatever it is you cant slot him in the top 2 lines and expect results. His skating doesnt open up lanes anymore.

    • boom

      Not bad, how about?
      Hoffman – Spezza – Ryan (have to give Spezza something to work with)
      MacArthur – Turris – Zibanejad (Zib deserves this, doesn’t he?)
      Michalek – Grant – Conacher (Grant is starting to show some offensive abilities)
      Greening – Smith – Neil (always seem to play well together)
      Play the top 2 lines alot, and the 3rd and 4th will need to earn their ice time.

      • Jacques

        Good no Condra all for it!

  • MethotToMyMadness

    I gotta say I was impressed with the 1st period, and a few plays throughout, but it was another 30-35 minute performance out of 60. Like many are saying, we are just too inconsistent in different areas and it’s costing us wins. And as much as I don’t want to admit it, Anderson has regressed from last season. I think we will see Lehner get more starts.

    Last year, we got away playing only 30 minutes in a game, and it was always in the last 10-15 minutes when they turned it on and found ways to sneak wins from teams. That ain’t happening this year, the team doesn’t have that confidence or pesky side to them at all, and when they are down with 10 minutes to go, I don’t get the same excitement I did before. I basically feel like the game has been lost already.

    But we also need to consider that both Smith and Ryan hit posts clearly beating Harding. A don’t forget Harding made an incredible save on Grant/Neil to keep the Wild in it. If those chances went the other way, this game would have been a Win for the Sens and many would be talking a different tune. Whether it’s the Hockey Gods or just the most incredible bad luck possible, it’s been a frustrating season to watch.

    I really do hope we see a turn around and soon. We are past the every popular 20 game mark and haven’t seen much improvement. Let’s go Sens, ring this together and quick!!

  • Millennium

    I notice that Ryan has had a couple quiet games. Nothing to worry about really, but if Mac needed an excuse to move him back with Spezza, he has one. At this point even I am in favour of trying Ryan back with Spezza, because you can’t win with one line. Give Zibanejad the job of finishing on the Turris line, let Ryan finish for Spezza.

  • Conor_smythe

    Question:

    Karlsson has 1pt/g this season, and that trend will most likely continue

    Does anybody think he deserves to win the Norris again?

    • Millennium

      It depends. If we’re talking about what the Norris has become, which is basically the best offensive defenseman, then I see him winning it easily.

      If we’re talking about what the Norris should be, the best defenseman, then its a bit more complicated.

      • Conor_smythe

        that’s what I was getting at… But that was the argument even the season he won the trophy… this season, he’s playing even worse on Defence, but better point production..

        • Hax

          Well I would still argue that the year he did win, he was actually much better defensively than people gave him credit. He still took risks and sometimes got caught cheating etc but when he needed to shut down he was one of the better in the league at it.

          This year … yikes. Hard to tell if he’s disinterested sometimes or if he’s still not feeling comfortable out there or what. But basically right now he’s the player that his critics accused him of being when he won the Norris. Plenty of points but horrible in his own end most of the time.

          I mean, what’s with constantly trying to pass through opponents? Does he need glasses (a la Ricky Vaughn)??

          • Conor_smythe

            RE: his norris winning season:

            I would say for the first 40 games, he was exactly the player they accused him of being… by the 50 game mark, he was playing exceptional defence.. but other players (pietrangelo) were playing that way all season long

          • Hax

            Fair statement.

          • Millennium

            His youthful feeling of invulnerability was shattered with that injury. Similar to the way concussion sufferers ‘hear footsteps’ when they come back, I bet he is now constantly aware of when he might be vulnerable, and is lacking the confidence to step into those positions.

    • 4thStringGoalie

      He also causes 1 goal against each game. No way he is the best deference. He needs to pick up his game.

  • 4thStringGoalie

    The one complication with bringing Hoffman up is I believe he needs to clear waivers if he were to be returned to the AHL. I think they have eliminated the re-entry waivers, but he did clear waivers to go down at the start of the year. With the way he is playing in the AHL I think he would likely have to stay the rest of the year in the NHL unless the Sens want to risk losing him again. You would think a team like Florida or Calgary or someone like that would take a chance on him if he struggles in Ottawa and they want to send him down.

    I think they only bring Hoffman up if they plan to keep him for the year, it’s not a scenario where we can see how things go. I can see Pageau or Stone coming up if they want to just make a change.

    • Hax

      I would also suggest that our problem is not about more offense. Hoffman is a decent two-way player but he’d pretty much have to take Grant’s spot on the roster (or Zibanejad’s and that ain’t happening) so I don’t think that fixes our real problem.

      Unless of course we just decide to be the 80′s Oilers and try to outscore everyone and play pond hockey.

      • Doc

        Agreed. I like Hoffman, but he won’t change a thing.

    • sprucesens

      interesting point about Hoffman. Must make a trade before then so he can have a spot for the year. And hopefully he earns it.

    • Jacques

      I see no problem there, Hoffman deserves a long look. Much more of a look than Greening or Condra don’t u think??

  • Tom P

    I thought the bottom 6 was way more effective tonight compared to other games. It’s like P-Mac read my mind and actually put Neil on the 4th line. It isn’t a huge deal but teams generally now of days need 3 lines that can produce offense to be successful and Neil has noticeably lost a step in my eyes and goes offside or kills a cycle just little things I have noticed. Love the guy and as a fan base we need to stay positive, we have a young team with great upside and it can only get better moving forward because frankly it can’t get much worse then these past weeks.
    Go Sens Go !

  • Hax

    Ironically the best thing that could happen to the Sens right now would be a key injury or two. Imagine if Turris and Ryan collided on the ice and both were out for 6 weeks. The rest of the team would have to actually bring their lunch pails to work every day and bring pesky back.

    It’s like this year they just figure “heck we did great last year without 5 key players and now on top of that we have Bobby Ryan – we just need to show up and we’ll win”.

    • Millennium

      To further that, it seems like the inconsistency is more of the same. They lose a few games, finally wake up and play the way they can, win a game, and go back to thinking they are top dogs again and take the foot off the gas.

    • Jacques

      Yeah but those would be the two wrong guys! We could certainly survive without Spezza and Michalek. Ryan and TUrris out and this team finishes DEAD LAST!

      • Hax

        You missed my point. Last year when we lost top players everyone else doubled their effort and played over their heads a bit. And Turris (for one) grew by leaps and bounds as a player in the process. I’m not suggesting it actually of course, but if we somehow had to “dig deep” again I think the team would end up playing better.

        The problem this year so far isn’t a lack of skill, it’s a lack of desperation. Last year we were missing lots of skill players but had desperation in spades.

        That and the goalies were unreal last year and only average so far this year.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    I miss Alfie.

    • Colin

      Well, he isn’t doing any for Detroit either. Out with a groin injury since Nov. 12th. May not even be ready for Detroit’s visit to CTC.

    • Tooks

      Yes obviously his leadership and character is missed, he would find a way to snap the streak and get this turned around.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Looking at Bingo, I do expect to see PMac make a call up and possibly demote or bench someone for a few games. Greening needs to ride the pine, at least for a game or two. Give the guy a chance to watch from above and see what is happening. That may spark something in him. How many games without a goal now? Hoffman, Pageau and even Ceci are thriving this year.

    • Hax

      This seems like a better idea (to me at least) than a trade. Though there’s only three guys that could be sent down: Borowiecki, Zibanejad and Grant. None of those three are “the problem” but I suppose if you’re MacLean you could use that fact to your advantage. i.e. “Hey guys we’re going to see if a couple of Bingo guys can play the game right. Sadly to do that we had to send down a couple of guys that were already playing the game right.”

      • Tooks

        Unfortunately bringing up a FW wont help our D. We pretty much screwed ourselves by giving 1 way contracts to Cowen, PW46, Gryba… Boro has been great but takes too many penalties, he’s bottom pairing for sure.

        We would need to bring up some puck movers in Claesson & Ceci but we cant send anyone on D down.

        • Alcatraz

          You can send Gryba down I’m pretty sure? He has a 2 way deal. $600k in NHL, $100k in AHL

          • CohMa

            I believe he’d just have to clear waivers first…

          • Alcatraz

            Correct, and I can assure you he will haha

          • SenaTHOR

            Not a chance!

        • SenaTHOR

          Gryba is a two way sir! I cant see him going down anytime soon. His numbers are OK.

  • HarvardYaleAndPrincetonMan

    Craig Anderson

    good year
    bad year
    good year
    bad year
    good year
    bad year <———— you are here
    good year

    • Tooks

      Thats not right, Anderson has had 2 good years in Ottawa, back to back, one was cut short due to injury, where he would have probably won the Vezina. He’s only had 1 bad year here and its happening now.

      • ProbablyNot11

        I agree, you can’t pin many of the L on goal tending when they are playing such horrid defense.

  • 57gord

    It’s all my fault and I feel shame……..I was thinking if we could just beat Detroit this year I would be happy. Did not know I had that kind of power. I’ll try thinking of some other teams too now. Be patient.

  • karlssens

    Trade wise… Jesus Murray do something!!

  • Tooks

    Also SC probably ain here but WOW, back to back 460+ posts.

  • lbernier

    #1 problem with this team is the Defense is is weak I really get sick and tried when the other team can draw up a play saying just go to the slot and shoot, Ottawa’s Defense wont make you pay for going there, go infront of the net because they wont make you pay there, I get tired of players just walking in on our goalies. Our forwards in their own end have not been the best either but our defense is not winning us games right now. Mark Borowieski and Erik Karlsson have been our best, Cowen, Weirchoich have been disapointments, Methot has been decent but not as good as he could be, Phillips has been horrible. I think it is time to sit down with them and say hey if you dont want to step up and play more physical and show that you are not going to give them shit when they come into those scoring areas you should sit in the box and we will find others that will. Cody Ceci deserves a call up here we need someone to work hard and to show that if you do the small things right you are going to play more minutes. We need to call up Hoffman and Stone too give them a shot by giving them some key minutes. We need to give Spezza new linemates that will work hard and wont take crap off of nobody. We need a spark right now the young guys to push the old guys that is what we need. No more of watching this disaster on ice with this team please!!! I get tired of watching the other teams getting the easy goals. They watch game after game of how the other team came move the puck better than us and can get out of their zone easier and play a lot better. Time to make a statement I am tried of this crap I dont know about you guys!

    • SenaTHOR

      Defense is OK overall. Karlsson is weak defensively. Watch the game against Boston. Forwards came in deep during the breakouts and they got out of their own end well. Now they are back to one man swinging low. A set of opposition forwards can break this up all the time. You need a fourth man to create an open man situation. Otherwise the D are hung out to dry.

  • karlssens

    I think if we can trade Cowen for a strong asset or two we do it.. He’s just terrible right now. Yes, he’s supposed to have potential, but that’s all it will ever be. Let’s let some other team stress over his potential while we cash in before people realize he’s shrek on skates.

  • karlssens

    Also, Greening doesn’t have a single goal in 22 games? WTF! I guarantee any one of us could play and have a puck pounce off our ass or something and into the net. To not have a goal yet and make 2.25 million Is so so depressing.

    • ProbablyNot11

      I don’t know about “any one of us” scoring a goal but I know that Greening has got to put a few pucks in the net. He definitely has to take a seat unless he decides to throw some more knuckles (at least that entertained me).

  • ProbablyNot11

    WTF happened to our defense. They all like to back pedal in their zone and let opposition walk straight in. This team is going nowhere fast with Defense like this. I also put some blame on Melnyk and his “internal budget” way to handcuff your GM pal. Very hard to stomach a last minute loss last night when for the most part they were playing better. Damn it, we need a W!!!! Please!!!

  • Millennium

    Yost’s latest post is a great sum up of the 2 biggest lineup problems: http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Travis-Yost/What-Competition/134/55860

  • RUSH RLZ

    Back in the summer I was adamant against the idea of moving Anderson… now after this terrible start I rather wish we could have got solid return for him when his value was high… Play Lehner, get Z-Bad on a top line, bench Cowen + Greening, start from there. God this has been a miserable start to the season…

  • RUSH RLZ

    On a “positive note” the only bright spot IMO the past two games, is Michalek seems to be actually regaining a semblance of his former self… you notice him a lot of there, he is hustling a lot more, forechecking a lot more and going to the net a lot more. Most improved from the start of the season IMO.

    • Senatollah

      He still has above average hands, but his speed, those first few steps are still not back. His goal was right place at right time, but he didnt have to work for the space, nor skate fast to it.

      • Tooks

        No but he did go to that space, he went infront of the net, thats a start.

        • Senatollah

          sure. baby steps right?

  • hq8

    another loss. now tied with carolina, and rangers who both have games in hand and have lost less games. even the devils are now ahead of ottawa. behind, blue jackets and islanders 1 point behind and philly who are now on a upswing only two points back with 2 games in hand. safe to say, one more loss and a philly win will have the sens safely in 14th spot in the conference. that means just better than: Edmonton, Florida and Buffalo.
    i think, its going to be too little too late for the sens this year. Not only have they got themselves in the hole, nearly every team that the sens were supposed to be ahead of is outperforming this senators. The wings, have a ridiculous 7 OT losses, that is saving them big time.
    The only way this can be salvaged is to go on a minimum 5 game win streak now and then win at a consistent tick without having no more than a odd 2 game losing streak. Its possible, but as of right now, there are too many signs pointing towards it being impossible. Goaltending is definitely half of what it was supposed to be, Andy is not what he was last year, in any situation. Lehner will have the odd bad game, and the team is not giving him the chance to save games. Penalty killing is trying very hard to not duplicate last season’s performance. Powerplay still shows now sign of trying to be effective.
    Defense as has been now discussed and disected over and over and over is pathetic.
    the only solace is that the sens have been able to score this year, even with MM9, Greening slumping and Conacher not producing at expected levels.
    and Paul Maclean is still hell bent on playing Mika on the 4th line and Chris Phillips on the powerplay.
    in the end, the sens are lacking the intensity to maximise and use their talent and skills that are so abundantly available to them this year (everyone is healthy!). Spezza is a good captain, but he doesnt have that intensity of Alfie, which is now showing up as a gap. They fell asleep again last night in the 2nd. its almost like they dont realize that they untapped quite the potential last season given all the injuries.
    i as a fan, put the blame on sens management and coaching staff. they didnt make the hard decisions when they should have and they made unnecessary decisions when they shouldnt have, the prime one being dumping Zibanejad into Bingo and then stapling him to the 4th line when he still outperforms everyone save for Spezz, Ryan, Mac, Turris and MM9. They kept playing guys who are obvious liabilities game in and game out – Phillips and Cowen. They have messed around with the PP for way too long now too, which is unacceptable given the firepower available. The sens started the season with defense problems, and they mismanaged it to a man. This record has nothing to do with budget or schedule.

    • Tooks

      Holy fuck dude, WAYYY to long…

      I can only reply in this manner…

      Its ok, its still early, this team will turn it around, you watch!

      • hq8

        we are past the 1/4th mark on the season. pts pace: 0.9 pts/game. projection: 74-75 pts. to fix that (i.e. reach atleast 92 pts), the pace needs to be: 1.2 pts/game from here on in. which means – winning the next 32 out of 60 games. basically a click over 0.5 hockey all the way. current 8th spot in the east is on pace for 82 pts season. yea doable. but its also just as doable for the 6 other teams sens are in the midst of – 4 of which stand in better positions.
        for all the budget crying, this team (incl. management and coaching) is roaring to Melnyk to not even think about overspending.

    • karlssens

      Wonder if we can make a trade with the ducks to get our first back NOW

  • Alcatraz

    This season is quickly becoming karma for us for making fun of the leafs Kessle trade for so many years

    I stil love the Ryan deal, but thats 1st round pick is quickly approaching bit us in the ass status

    • hq8

      yea totally forgot that implication – we are well on pace for making that a top 10 pick. probably top 5 if the west continues the way it has.

  • sprucesens

    a trade has to be done now. if we go on to lose even 1 more game this weekend, we will have let everyone else bypass us, and possibly given us something to look back at, at the end of the season and say, why o why didn’t we make a move then to try and shake things up! Do it now murray. We might be selling low, but there are bodies that do not deserve to be on the team right now. Getting a slightly better pick or prospect in 3 months isn’t as valuable as actually winning games!
    Greening, condra, traded for ANYTHING
    Michalek traded for at least an upside prospect
    Time to clean out the extra’s and make some room for some hungry players of our future! And maybe even collect enough W’s on the way to the playoffs

    • sprucesens

      also, I only say that a trade HAS to be done, is because we are already at 23 players on the roster, and the best players are on 2 ways. So we shouldn’t send them down. Only way I could see it, is if grant goes down, Zibby takes 3C with some decent wingers, and Hoffman gets top 6 winger.
      Having said that, i’d prefer grant stay up, and trade some lack lustre forwards and D for something.
      Add wiercioch, gryba, Phillips, corvo to the list of tradeables. Or send them down, not likely anyone is gonna claim them now.

      • SenaTHOR

        Not sure why you would send Gryba down when his numbers (excluding points) are some of the best in the D corps. I’m assuming he is whipping boy for you.

        • sprucesens

          no, i’d say gryba was the best of that bunch, and I see a long term fit for wiercioch as well as a 3rd pairing D with gryba. But having said that. We also have better coming in, with borowieki, ceci, claesson. and likely to be more D in the future

          • SenaTHOR

            Speculation only. Ceci and Claesson haven’t played a game in the NHL. Wiercioch will never be a 5/6 guy. He doesn,t have the defensive ability. 3/4 or gone.

        • runningbear1974

          I agree with you… I really like Gryba… I trust him more than most of the other guys…

  • sprucesens

    maybe this will be another case of, chirp is away, so something big happens! “sens trade ______ and ______ to the _______ in exchange for ________! What a trade by bryan murray. Other GM’s must not have known about this player being available for so little. Solid move” Is what the headlines should read…..

  • Sandy

    Was at the game last night.
    They played better overall.. but a couple of defensive lapses and not the bset goaltending job by Andy were the difference.
    Loved that MacArthur pass to Turris.. and that Zibby goal was awesome.
    That goal by Heatley was a bad one to give up.
    Don’t know what’s up with Andy this season. Yeah on most nights the D has been pretty bad and nothing much the goaltender can do.. but he is not playing as he had been in the past 2 seasons…
    If they play most of their upcoming games like that.. they will get themselves some wins. Need to tighten up in the defensive zone more though.
    In the best case scenario, with an owner who has money and will spend, there should be an experienced D-man paired with Cowen, Gryba and Wiercioch to help guide and develop them. Last season that happened.. this year.. Cowen & Gryba have to go it alone and they are struggling.
    Oh to have an Owner that will spend money.. instead of trying to ‘cheap’ his team.

  • Sandy

    This Sens team is one of the youngest in the NHL – especially on defense. They lost 2 veteran leaders and are struggling to get their identity.
    With young teams you get inconsistencies and that’s what’s happening.
    I get discouraged when they lose after playing badly.. but it is what it is..
    They got robbed in Philly.. that puck was in the net. How the NHL situation room didn’t see that — there is no explanation, either than they all need their eyes examined.. It wasn’t even close..
    I expect this team will pull up it socks and start to play better. They have a really tough stretch coming up… and they need to play better for a full 60 minutes.

  • Miguel

    Another disappointing loss, but at least we had a pulse yesterday.
    But as many have pointed out, you cannot make the playoffs in November, but you can certainly ensure you are out of the playoffs come April.
    The way we are going now, a better than .500 record for the rest of the year may indeed be a stretch.
    And as much as we all love PM and BM and praise all their wonderful decisions, much of this must fall on their laps.
    No way in hell can anyone justify that Gryba, PW46 and Corvo are constantly in and out of the lineup, while a couple of the worst d-man playing the game right now, have yet to sit a game. Phillips and Cowen, have singlehandedly been the cause of many of our losses, yet they never miss a shift let alone a game.
    And WTF is Phillips doing on the PP? In his greatest days as a Senator, he has seen very minimal PP time, yet now that he has the mobility of the Tinman, he is out there regularily, helping the opposition kill our PP. Absolutely inexcusable!
    Also I would like to hear from PM, why in hell does he continue to put Greening out there, when there are others producing and playing much better than him?
    Finally with all the genius moves that BM has made, moving Bishop for Conacher and giving our first rounder this year, may turn out to hurt us pretty badly in a few years.
    Yes this year has been a very dismal year for our beloved Sens, starting with our owner who seems to have hit hard times and is broke, to our huge expectations of our Pesky Sens, who made the playoffs and won a first round Series without top NHL stars in EK46, Spezz, Anderson, and even Cowen.How were expected to not have visions of a huge improvement in this team, when all those All Stars are back to make us even better.
    Well for me anyway this is the hardest part to understand. No way in hell, could this team be worse off this year, with all our stars coming back, and adding Ryan and 16, it is not at all possible… yet here we are…

    • Tooks

      Maybe Maclean cant handle coaching more mature players, its probably easier to coach up rookies and sophmore players than it is trying to coach up vets and elite talent.

      I dont know but its where we are at. All these All-Star players and nothing to show for it.

      • Jacques

        The only All-Stars I see r the first line and PMAC seems to be doing fine by them.

    • Jacques

      Bingo Miguel, Phillips and Cowen are the worst. Spezza and Michalek are the two for wards who have been scored on the most in the League!
      Therein r the problemo’s!

      • Tooks

        Spezza and Michalek dont stop goals, when Spezza’s line is on the ice, its usually Cowen, Gryba or Phillips with them…After 4-5 attempts at getting out of the zone by our D, Spezza usually takes it out himself and in turn creates a turnover. Its a loss-loss…

    • SenaTHOR

      The team just signed Cowen for a lot of money. You think they are going to sit him or let him go through growing pains?

    • spezzerman

      honestly, Karlsson and Methot were directly responsible for 2 brutal goals against – the 3rd and 4th no less and were on the ice on the ice on the PK for the other. No doubt Cowen has been the worst of the main 5 guys who have played every night, but to always single him out is ridiculous. He was not the reason we lost last night.

      I do think Cowen should sit a game – i was surprised he didnt last night after a brutal game Tuesday, but this singling out Cowen – a guy with 140 pro games played – as the single source of our troubles is ridiculous.

  • Sensnation

    I don’t know why, but I’m still not worried about this team! I see chemistry slowly forming, and despite the bad luck, bad plays and bad losses I still expect this team to continue to round into form and make the playoffs. It may take a trade, it may not, but this team is definitely giving better overall efforts and getting a lot closer to playing complete games.

    GO SENS GO!!!

  • Sensnation

    Cowen was a +1 with 4 Blocked Shots, where’s the love!

    This kid can’t win even when he plays well.

    • Hax

      I’m as big a fan of Cowen as anyone, but he played horribly in the first period (insane giveaway leading to him taking a penalty). After that led to him being benched for a while, he played “pretty bad” rather than horrible.

      The kid is still trying to find the balance between playing like a wrecking ball like he could in junior/AHL and playing like a pro. He’ll get there and I think he projects as a top shutdown D with some upside (Chara-lite maybe though I hate the comparison to Chara). But he ain’t there yet.

      • 65kwhissell19

        how long did it take chara to get his game?. cowen is fine. Phillips I think is worse.

    • Miguel

      Stats lie my friend… have you watched him play?
      let me start by, he can no longer skate at the NHL level
      he cannot hit a pass if his life depended on it
      he cant hit b/c he has does not have the mobility and when he misses he is way out of position
      he is to slow to get to loose pucks
      Sorry if I offend, but his rookie year I went as far to say that Cowen in a few years will be our best d-man even more valuable than EK46 b/c the boy was amazing at playind=g defence, and was also smooth with the puck.
      But I am fearful that this hip surgery has impacted him much more than most people think.
      And trust me, that I do hope to all that is good, that I am absolutely 100% wrong about this, and that Cowen gets back to what we all saw in his rookie year, no one wants me to be wrong more than me

      • SenaTHOR

        The problem is when the D man gets the puck the forwards are blazing down the ice for the STUPID stretch pass that works 1/10 times. The d need support. Watch the good teams and two or three players are coming back to SUPPORT. This is a major problem. The second part is the neutral zone attack. Seems everyone attacks in a straight line. Players need to change LANES to confuse the oppositions defense.
        There are 30 teams that want to win. There are 6 teams that spend the cap. There are 6 teams that make good money. People are right. Spending money helps the quality on the ice and Euge isn’t spending any more.

      • 65kwhissell19

        lol ur so wrong big time

        • 65kwhissell19

          amd maybe they should play his with some one who is alittle more stable at this time in his game . cause him and Phillips don’t work and him and karlsson don’t eather at the moment. the problem is the hole team is in a slump and there is no luck at all with this team. it will come alone with his game

        • Miguel

          I hope your are right and I am wrong :)

    • Aaron 2.0

      I’ll bite. Cowen and Weircioch had their best game of the season last night, I think! And, they did it as a pairing no less. It wasn’t picture perfect, but their collective performances would definitely be something to build on moving forward!

  • boom

    Here’s further proof why you should take some analyst’s opinion with a grain (barrel, in this case) of salt…
    Here is what Scott Cullen posted on TSN when discussing who is in postion to win the Norris trophy:

    NORRIS TROPHY
    Winner: Erik Karlsson, Ottawa
    Runners-up: P.K. Subban, Montreal; Alex Pietrangelo, St. Louis
    Comment: It has been a trying season for the Ottawa Senators, but Karlsson has been great, scoring a point per game and logging more than 27 minutes of ice time

    • SenaTHOR

      Erik will need to tighten up defensively to have a chance UNLESS he is 20 pts up on the next in line.

      • Tooks

        Suter will probably win it. Guy is a beast!

  • SenaTHOR

    The fans continue to find whipping boys on defence. If they actually knew the game they’d see that much of our problem is actually lazy forwards missing the high checks. 9mm has missed a lot of checks. It cracks me up to hear the fans blame Cowen Phillips etc for not covering the guy in the slot. Earth to Moronic fan..defence is in front of net and corner. Slot is typically covered by a weakside winger. The best the D will do is block the shot. Please learn the game before you turn into a credible critique.
    This team is still rebuilding. If you expect a winning season switch your loyalties to Detroit..oops they are loosing too. They aren’t rebuilding they are recycling. We are in a much better position.

    • boom

      As Andy Sutton would say….so you’re an expert?

    • sprucesens

      shouldn’t the center be in the center covering the slot? and the wingers backchecking along the boards, then covering their pointman? The problem is, the D just flip it off the halfboards, right on the other team’s Dman’s stick. The forward hasn’t had time to rush out there after backchecking to prevent a decent chance.
      what good is plopping 2 D directly in front of the net if they are only going to screen our goalie and deflect shots into the net? they have to stop the man in the slot from getting there in the first place.
      Either way, half the time its not the slot coverage of Phillips and cowen, its the pathetic turnovers, the terrible passing, the lack of aggressive coverage, no matter where on the ice, and basically the mantra of pass it behind the net so the other guy can try to do something with it, cuz I sure as hell can’t.

      • SenaTHOR

        90% of the time the puck comes from the corner and the defensive center has corner responsibilities. D men box out(not PLOP) the attacking forwards(usually 2). Defensive offside Winger covers the slot (third man)most of the time. Ever play hockey? This hasn’t changed much.
        Bottom line ……slot=forward coverage.

        • Tooks

          Not sure where you played but you probably lost alot playing like that??

          There will never be more that 2-3 guys in the slot/infront of the net at any given timet. If you say C is responsible for corners then the D is responsible for net/slot. As a D you never go chase in the corners, thats D 101. The D’s responsability is net/slot.

          If a team plays a high tempo offensive game, they might have 1 guy screening and 1 guy HIGH slot. The one of the wingers opposite the play can cover the high slot, while the C is chasing guys in corners.
          Teams usually play 1 in slot, 1 in corner/2 in corner or 1 high slot and 2 point man.

          Guy in slot is D’s responsability, C takes corner guys with help from winger and other winger covers high slot or closest point man.

          Our D havent been covering the slot or have lost many battles to loose pucks around the net and lose almost every 1 on 1. Thats not FW responsability, could they help more, sure but they shouldnt have to.

          • SenaTHOR

            Where do D cover the slot? They are in front of the net and in the corners. Wow?

          • Tooks

            Do you even know where the slot is? not high slot, slot…below the hashmarks, D cover that with the help of the weakside FW incase there are 3 guys there, very rare.

            High slot, yes weakside winger leaves his D to cover if needed.

            What do you think D does…stand in the crease and watch the play? LOL.

            I played 4 years in the CJHL Cornwall Colts, its not great but its probably better than you.

    • Tooks

      EYYYORREEE!

    • Miguel

      wow so your an expert!
      slow down Scotty Bowman… so the forwards are at fault when Phillips and Cowen are too slow to get to rebounds in the corner, or too slow when retrieving pucks?
      If you are always in second place in the race for pucks, the other team will always maintain possession, and this is the case with both these two D-men.
      And it is the fowards fault that many of their passes end up on the oppositions sticks… please watch a few games before pretending to be the next Mike Babcock.
      Also after the last season, your expectations were that we would slump down to missing the playoffs? Sorry my expectations were that we would improve with our best players coming back. EK, MM9, Spezza, Anderson, Cowen for full seasons and 16, and 6 as additions.
      Sorry but right now this team is underperforming, and in my opinion the D has been awful, and Phillips and Cowen are leading the way

  • sensfan4ever

    good luck CHIRP !!!

  • runningbear1974

    Bryan Murray should consider joining the coaching staff… Take over coaching the powerplay…

  • Luc Wolfe

    Congrats Chirp with the arrival of your Daughter, wife is due Monday, but I think we’ll head to overtime. My wife & I wish you and your wife/girlfriend all the best.

    from the Wolfe family!

    • Mat

      And good luck to you Luc!

      • Luc Wolfe

        Thank you sir!

  • Mat

    Congrats to you and the missus Chirp! Greatest thing that ever happened to me was the birth of my daughter. The great news for you is that the Sens play of late will prepare you for those first 3-4 diapers.. DON’T FREAK OUT! it’s normal.. : )

  • PraiseAlfie11

    Haha…travelling and the banner ad is for red wings hats and stuff.

    Had to click that one!

  • FAB

    The Spezza line has been an absolute disaster (Spezza and Michalek just
    assumed the league-lead in goals against at EV amongst all F), so I
    suspect it can’t get any worse.

    • Jacques

      Let’s Hope!

  • Colin

    Congratulations mom and dad! She is beautiful. btw: My daughter’s name is Natalie Rose.

  • spezzerman

    Chirp, your little girl is a perfect little doll. Congrats!

  • Jacques

    Wow, Congrats she’s beautiful!

  • Sensturion

    Only the sight of a baby will make manly hockey fans like us squeal like little girls!

  • LeafsSux

    Such a beautiful name to go along with such a beautiful looking baby… Congrats Mr and Mrs Chirp!

  • Ozzyhockey

    grats!

  • SensChirp

    Thanks for the kind words everyone! And as always, thanks for keeping things rolling while I’m away. Hope to get back on track tomorrow or in time for Saturday’s game.

    • Sensturion

      Dude. C’mon. Take a break. Let Tookie and I run the website till you’re all settled in. I promise everything will go smoothly. Like butter fresh out of the fridge that never spreads quite well.

      • Sensturion

        And rips the bread. Wow… butter sucks.

        • Sensturion

          You know. The team may be playing badly, but I’m bored out of my mind without a sens game to watch. Bad hockey is better than no hockey. GO SENS GO!

          • Tooks

            Just watch another game, plenty of BETTER hockey to be watched!

      • 01011111100101010101011101010

        WELLLLL – Tookie would get his own blog without doing any of the work

        • Tooks

          I got this….Where’s the ban button! :P

  • Aaron 2.0

    Your picture of your beautiful daughter sleeping under that hospital blanket brings me back, Chirp. Congratulations! I hope your wife is recovering well, and that you’re both getting a few winks of sleep every now and then. Maternity wards are loud!

  • Guest

    SensChirp may the force be with you, your newly princes and the better half. Cheers………. Kumar

  • Andersonfan41

    I know hat Murray needs to trade for a defencemen but I would like to see Murray trade for Matt Moulson and then resign Moulson during the summer.Just like Anderson when Murray for Craig Anderson.

  • WaitingSince92

    It absolutely hurts to watch Cowen out there, but let’s all calm the fuck down! I won’t argue against his atrocious play, or that he has regularly been (and this says a lot when you look at our defence corps) the worst D on our team.

    I WILL, however, argue against him being traded. First, ask yourself if you would have traded him during training camp? I’m guessing no. So 20 games later and we’re all ready to trade him. This could well be the low point of his career.

    We (in this case, Murray and MacLean) understand Cowen’s potential to be an excrutiatingly difficult defenceman to play against, regardless of his current uselessness, which, by the way, lowers the return we’d get for him.

    I hope everyone remembers this when Murray plays the long game and plays Cowen through his worst, formative days.

    Having said that, MacLean interjecting with a well-timed 1 game benching wouldn’t be out of the question.

    • sprucesens

      while its a good approach with patience, he is also one of the only tradeable pieces we have that could be worth anything. Hence everyone using him in trade scenarios. He is young, and does have potential. But so did tyler myers, who won the calder. Size doesn’t necessarily mean a great player. Only if that player can effectively use that size to be intimidating, without crossing the line, and not being a detriment on the ice.

      People are saying trade him, because right now he is all of the negatives all rolled into one, and we have yet to see any of the positives, give or take a few games in a shortened 3 year span. Hopefully he does turn out great, and on this team. But we also don’t want to be stuck with him for what was it, 6 years? at 3 mill per, and have him be useless, and untradeable. Things to consider

      • WaitingSince92

        I just think fans tend to overact. He’s been awful, but it’s been 20 games. We could trade him for kibbles and bits now or hold on to him to see if he improves. Seems like a no-brainer, like the quintessential example of ‘glad-the-fans-aren’t-GMing-this-team’

        I also have a hard time giving up on such a high draft pick, so early when we’ve already seen him play better than he is currently playing. I remember befor ethis season started thinking he was quite mobile – DEFINITELY not your average 6’5″ D, in terms of skating. This year, he’s been crazy-slow (and I agree that the pivoting is bad), but his decision making has been worse.

        I’d rather have a shitty Cowen still getting into stride from MAJOR surgery than a veteran who merely sufficient.

        Also, we have a bad history of giving up on ginormous defencemen…

    • Tooks

      I would agree with you IF Cowen wasnt a slow moving stay at home Dman. His skating wont improve to the level it needs to be to play a regular shift in the NHL, its a speed game, guys go around him like he’s a pylon, nothing will change over time. He will always be slow moving with hands of stone. Opposition will always force him to make mistake. Slow moving Dmen are a thing of the past.

      Thats why I think we should trade him to a sucker like Philly or EDM, CGY, get some young guys who can skate & keep up with today’s NHL.

      • SenaTHOR

        Tell me what guys have blown around him. I can’t recall too many people going around him. It’s usually positional errors and slow reactions in front or to the side of the net. Look at the passes he messes up. They are forwards too far away and in traffic. He is no where near as bad as your bias is projecting. Not saying he’s playing great but there are 5 other Senators on the ice at the same time and very few are playing great. Turris has been doing well in the O zone but has really been brutal in the d zone yet everybody raves about their play. Its really what happens away from the puck. The goaltenders and defence usually get blamed when forwards miss their check(except Karlsson who has obvious lapses). How many goals are scored from a forward or opposition dman coming from a high spot(above the bottom of the circle)? These are typically forward checks unless they are playing(seldom) a combination(man zone) defense.

        • Tooks

          Have you watched any games at all? 90% of the time the attack takes place on Cowen’s side…coincidence? I think not, teams know and gameplan for this. He is terribly slow and his pivots are just as bad. He gets the occasional hit but usually misses and creates a 2on1.

          5on5 goals against have mostly come from the faceoff down, that is D & 1FW. Guys driving the net not picked up by a D who is standing still like a pylon is not FW’s fault.

          • SenaTHOR

            Maybe on entry into the zone the forwards have the third man but I can’t recall him getting beat one on one. Can you name players who beat him to the outside and got a great shot or goal. I’ve watched all the games. Once set up in our zone things change. All I’m saying is that if you go back and watch the highlights many goals are from a foward’s missed check who is crashing. The D already have their men covered.

          • Miguel

            bang on Tooks, have to agree, pivots really badly
            also how many times is he too slow to react to change in direction of the puck, ie rebounds, he seems to lose almost every time, and if he should happen to get there, he creates no distance, and is forced into a bad pass

        • Jacques

          They don’t blow around him – he just handles the puck like a grenade and he runs around a little too much to my liking. Tooks is seeing things.

        • Miguel

          too easy Patrck Kane comes quickly to mind,
          but there are a plethora of cases of fast skaters walking around Cowen

      • Jacques

        See you contradict yourself.

    • Jacques

      Excrutiating to watch you mean.

  • WaitingSince92

    Weird juxtaposing all these hockey posts screaming about some player with an adorable newborn! Congrats!

    I was thinking perhaps she could signal the Senators official transition into playoff team.

  • Jacques

    How about Cowen and Michalek and Conacher for Brayden and Braydon the money would almost match. Philly would take on about half a million in real money. plus they would love that Michalek comes off the books. Plus would open up a spot for a bingo forward or two. Then you still can move Andy if we really need too.

    Brayden Schenn can play left wing. Maybe a Schenn-Spezza-Zibby line.

    • Jacques

      Coburn is the type of top 4 D-man we need.

      • Tooks

        Not really, not much of a better skater than Cowen. Would have the same issues vs speed.

        Philly’s turnaround aint because the D is playing better, the offense woke up and they are getting pretty good goaltending by Mason right now.

        I think Del Zotto is the perfect fit. Can skate, is only 23, not bad on D (due to the fact he can move the puck) and he wouldnt cost us much.

        • Jacques

          Del Zotto is a turnstyle like that kid in Toronto they never play – Gardiner. But yet they want to trade him for every star that becomes available! Come on!

          • Tooks

            I would gladly give up Cowen + for Gardiner, no brainer. Do you see the Leafs having trouble in their own end? No, they move the puck up fast and can all skate. Thats what we need.

          • sprucesens

            I wouldn’t mind gardiner, but not for cowen, because then he will decide to actually hit against us.

          • Jacques

            Gardiner never plays and they’ve been wanting to deal him forever. Would never make that deal!

        • Jacques

          Not just speed – poise with the puck on your stick. Coburn doesn’t bumble it all over the ice.

    • sprucesens

      thats not a bad deal at all. basically a swap of cowen for coburn, and conacher for schenn. michalek is hardly a loss at this point. makes room for hoffman. I’m in for that trade

    • Tooks

      Why the hell would Philly do that? I dont think they would be too happy to have Michalek in the first place lol. And giving up Coburn for Cowen does nothing for Philly. Would be making a trade just to make a trade.

      • Jacques

        Gives them some Extra scoring , a younger cheaper D-man with potential to join the other Giant they drafted last year, and then the Cap relief cuz Michalek comes off the books next year. Thats WHY!

        • Jacques

          They will have 5 mill more to play with next summer. The diff between Cowen-Conacher and Schenn-Coburn. Stay in school kid.

          • Jacques

            And they can swing Michalek at the deadline for a pick. Lots of positives for them – u don’t think???

          • Tooks

            No I dont think they would want to lose B.Schenn to acquire 5Mil, money aint an issue in Philly.

  • T K

    Congrats again Dave. Beautiful baby girl.
    (My one year old niece is also a Rose)

  • xN1Cx

    Congrats chirp! She is gorgeous! Wishing you and your wife nothing but the best.

  • Tooks

    Grats SC, surprised you didnt name her something Sens related… :P

    Jen Gabrielle Page and call her JGP all the time!! LOL
    Congrats bro! Enjoy it while it lasts.

  • WolfInSheepsClothes

    Cowen+Pick/Prospect for Gudbranson
    Weircioch+Pick/Prospect for Del Zotto

    Methot-Karlsson
    DelZotto- Gudbranson
    Phillips-Borowiecki

    • spezzerman

      sigh

      • WolfInSheepsClothes

        Problem…?

        Each player is worth about the same in those trades, just need a change up.

        • spezzerman

          don’t need a change, need patience. Gudbranson has been terrible for FLA this year. and why throw in extra?

          • WolfInSheepsClothes

            We have too many left handed D-men. A right handed, stay at home guy would do wonders for us.

            To be fair, Gudbranson is on a REALLY bad team…

          • spezzerman

            So are Cowen and WEircioch

          • WolfInSheepsClothes

            We’re aren’t a bad team by any means. We’ve had a couple bad games that have put us in a bad place.

          • Hax

            So if we’re not a bad team, why are you panicking and trading away blue-chip prospects that are still developing?

            Just saying ….

          • spezzerman

            exactly

          • sprucesens

            cowen for gudbranson would actually be moving up the draft order. so adding something would make sense. Wiercioch for del zotto, we have to add extra simply based on previous seasons from DZ. so its probably the close price.

          • WolfInSheepsClothes

            No panic at all. It’s blue chip prospects for blue chip prospects. Del Zotto has little value in NY right now so he would be a steal. Gudbranson is much like Cowen – big, strong, defensive-defenseman – but right-handed which is what we need…

            Last game, even though we lost, was a solid step forward. A couple unfortunate break downs ended up being the game changer (again). This is an easy problem to fix. We WILL fix it.

          • Jacques

            More than a couple of bad games.

          • Tooks

            Its only 20 games, we still have 62, no worries…This team will turn it around……sigh…

            We have the most 5+ goals against games in the league…We are bad…

          • spezzerman

            we are terrible, actually. but knee jerk reaction trades are always the way to go…especially when you are bringing in guys who dont make you better immediately, let alone the long run.

          • WolfInSheepsClothes

            It’s comments like this that usually keep me away from this board.

            We AREN’T terrible. We have the potential to turn it around and make something of this season. It’s still so very early.

            Does everyone here expect us to win every single game? Was the expectation that we would be leading the division all season long?

            While I agree that there have been some tough games to stomach (Philly/Columbus), we have rarely been outplayed by other teams. We’ve just been our own worst enemy and that is something that is fixable.

          • Jacques

            I agree.

          • Jacques

            What r u talking about , they won’t just give him away. Gudbranson moves around the ice much better than Cowen.

    • Jacques

      A warm body should be enough for Del Zotto – Condra should do the trick.

      • sprucesens

        I wish….

        • Jacques

          haha – worth a try… haha

  • Michenator

    Congrats Chirp!! She’s beautiful!

  • Miguel

    Chirp I would like to add my congrats to you and the Mrs.
    My first was a little girl, and second was a little boy and here is a discussioin that stuck with me
    Dad asks his son
    “Son who is your hero?”
    Son replies ” Sydney Crosby, OV, Malkin, Superman, Spiderman… and the list goes on and on
    Dad asks his daugher the same question
    “Who is your hero”
    Daughter replies with admirations
    “Daddy!”
    Says it all
    Children are Greatest gift in life amigo!
    Congrats!

  • my2sens

    Congrats SC and to your wife!!

    Many years of great memories ahead!! (I have two young boys)

    And now with the little one, we shall see some updates at 2AM, 4AM etc. :-)

  • yannrock

    Congrats SC!

  • Doc

    Congrats Dave, she’s gorgeous!

  • sprucesens

    eklund saying Colorado talking to Ottawa. hmm, what could each of these teams possibly trade? Sorry for eklund talk also, but that’s what happens when there is nothing new out of chirp these past few days. Yes he has a more than valid reason! Congrats chirp

    • Alcatraz

      Melnyk is going to trade his defense lawyer to Colorado for Varlamov to use in exchange for a set of poker chips and a deck of cards to help his kickstarter campiagn for a casino

      • Mat

        Solid Trade. But could we keep Varlamov and maybe trade Anderson for the set of poker chips and the deck of card?

    • Colin

      And on the same site, Yost says that the only changes made will be coming from within. I am more inclined to side with Yost as Ek usually gets his insider info from his dog.

      • Jacques

        Is EK like the son of Sam?

  • Sandy

    Congrats to Chirp and Mrs. Chirp. Your baby girl is beautiful.
    I’m going to stand by my Sens as they are now. I don’t want Murray trading any young defensmen.. a la Cowen (about 1 NHL season) and Wiercioch (not much longer) for Del Zotto — who gets scratched from the Rangers lineup..
    I hope Murray has the sense to just let it play out. The way this YOUNG team is playing now should have been the way they were playing in years 1 and 2 of the re-build.. Inconsistent..
    Travis Yost is saying that there is no trade coming. Murray is reported (as on Yost’s blog on HB) that no help is coming from Bingo either. Get it fixed internally.
    For me.. the goaltending has to be better and the overall defensive play of the entire team has to be better.
    Murray can’t trade now anyway.. unless he sends equal dollars out. I don’t think he wants to trade anymore young prospects right now for a quick fix.. as that doesn’t help lower the salary dollars either.. Melnyk has said he will let Murray bring someone in (probably trade deadline) to help.. But any salary paid to a newcomer will be about 2 mos worth and not a lot of $$ out of his pocket.

    Melnyk’s finances, or lack thereof, are really hurting this team.
    If he is losing as much money yearly as he says.. then he must be re-couping some of that loss with revenue sharing.. I can’t find anything to see if the Sens are actually getting revenue sharing or not.

    • SenaTHOR

      I agree. I think it is FIXABLE. The panic mongers believe that change is the solution any time we lose a few games. It is up to the coaching staff to TEACH the strategies and reinforce them in practice using a variety of scenarios.

      • runningbear1974

        I agree, I think we could use some player analyst type coaches that follow the behaviour of some of our more important players, and analyze the game with them… Specifically, Spezza, Karlsson, and Cowen, could use a friendly coach to show them the options available to them…

      • Mat

        What if the coaches aren’t good teachers? I’ve been questioning the skills and experience of Reeds and Cameron for some time now. They may be way over their heads jumping from Major Junior hockey to the NHL.

    • Jacques

      Not bringing help from bingo is idiotic. Condra time for this experiment to finish. Third line in the NHL has to produce. I predict he’s playing in the Swiss league in a year or two. Where there is no body contact and the score is usually 1-0 or 2-1 he will flourish.

  • runningbear1974

    The defense is young and they need time to become veteran quality… We have to wait patiently…
    The real issue is Spezza… How is he doing as captain? Is he motivating people? Is he taking responsibility?
    Think how tough he is to play with… When he makes a mistake he expects his linemates to clean it up, when his linemates make a mistake, he’s not there to support them… In that respect, he’s not much of a team player… He just does his own thing, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t…
    Is it a reward or punishment to play with Spezza?

    • Hax

      Spezza is tough to play with for sure but I don’t think it’s got anything to do with him expecting his wingers to do all the hard work. I think it’s more about him being over-creative at times and nearly impossible to predict. Which is a good thing once you get some chemistry with him as the opposition is going to have a tough time. Yes he takes more risks than anyone else and they often lead to odd-man rushes, so being his winger does come with extra “work”.

      So in that respect I do think they need to pick two guys and keep them there so they can get used to him. Michalek (or even Greening) and Zibanejad would be my picks right now. If Greening is thought of as top 6 in the future (new contract) then why not let him get used to Spezza now. He has the speed, endurance and work ethic. Zibanejad too plus ZIbby can shoot. The drawback with Greening (IMO) is his hockey sense isn’t great. So not sure he can read off Spezza and be ready for whatever Spezza is thinking.

      • runningbear1974

        I have no idea what he’s expecting…
        I look at, when he passes the puck to the other team, how often is he involved in getting the puck back, and the truth is, it’s very rarely does he do something to get the puck back from the other team… Next game i’ll count… When he passes puck to other team, was he involved in getting puck back…
        Once his line loses possession of the puck, that’s it, until our goalie saves it…
        Again, i’m not sure what he’s expecting, but if he’s not the one getting the puck back after turnover, then it’s the goalie, or his linemates… I think if you look back to 2007… Spezza, Heatly sucked to start the year, UNTIL, Alfie joined that line, and the significance of Alfie is that he puts a lot of effort to retrieve the puck when there’s a loss of possession…
        Yes, he is very creative when he has the puck on his stick… No doubt about it… But, how is he when the other team has the puck? Just as creative? or kinda lost?

        • Hax

          I disagree with you that he doesn’t try to fix his own mistakes. And I would guess that the times he doesn’t it’s because it’s not his assignment based on where everyone is on the ice.

          Basically, your characterizing him as selfish and lazy and I think you’re wrong about that.

          • runningbear1974

            Nope, i’m not calling him selfish and lazy… I have no idea why he does what he does…
            I do agree that the last 5 or so games, Spezza has tried really hard to get puck back after loss of possession, absolutely he’s tried, he’s not quite good at it yet…
            I do think Spezza is a good caring human being, so I don’t want to make assumptions about why he does what he does…

          • Jacques

            Would you resign him at the end of his current contract. I wouldn’t. Turris, Zibby, Lazar, Pageau. Pretty set at center.

    • Jacques

      Good points.

    • Trade Spezza

      No Back Spezza is one solid check from his career being over.

      Trade him while you still can.

    • SenaTHOR

      I think the whole team needs to work together!

  • matsoukas45

    Bryan Murray hands are tied, he can`t do anything with the owner in dire straits no matter what mylenk and leeder say this team is in financial trouble.Mlynek has to sell this team or this team will have trouble keeping great talent or even adding salary to make them better.

    • Mat

      Funny thing, someone like Melnyk should know that to make money, you have to spend money. In this case, making the playoffs is a way to make $$.. Is he concerned about our chances yet?

  • SenaTHOR

    Maybe Euge read this on Wiko..The National Hockey League is an “unincorporated not-for-profit association” which operates a major professional ice hockey league. Currently there are 30 franchised member clubs, 23 located in the United States and 7 in Canada.

  • PraiseAlfie11

    So, it’s official. This thread has every one getting fired or removed except the turris line and KK65 (and hes on thin ice!)

    Geez…get a grip people!

    • Mat

      So you don’t have any concerns about the team right now?? I would be curious about how you think the woes will actually get fixed. Am I missing something? I’m not really seeing progress this month – just abysmal performances. When do you think would it be reasonable for fans to be concerned about our chance of making the playoffs?

      • MikeS

        I have no doubt this team as is could make the playoffs. I have major doubts that this team as playing will make the playoffs.

      • PraiseAlfie11

        1) neither of us have ANY communication with personnel

        2) neither of us have spoken to a single gm regarding possible trades

        3) neither of us have ever spoken with melnyk regarding budget

        4) ive probably been around longer than you and have learned that I can only change what I can change.

        Based on the above, I choose to be positive.

        • Mat

          Huh? Because you’re helpless you choose to be positive??

          I’m watching this this team perform and I’m concerned. I think actions should be done to mitigate the situation. Minor or major but something to attempt to fire up the troops ( since they can’t seem to get self motivated).

          I’m voicing my opinion on a blog, is that not the point of places like Senschirp?

          • PraiseAlfie11

            What choice do you have? Youre following a business that you have zero say in. You can type here till your fingers fall off. Ain’t gonna change a thing.

  • Mat

    Its unfortunate that we are where we are right now. Third year of the rebuild is a big step backwards so far. Beyond my concerns for us making the playoffs, I’m even more concerned about our chances of signing Bobby Ryan long term if this team is (in his eyes) “overrated”, “collapsing” or is just plainly “no fun to play on”… The guy is a major talent. We need guys like that to fill the seats. He’ll want to be on a team that’s good, or at the very least trending upwards…

  • MikeS

    The thing about trades right now is that all our tradeable players have really low value. If Murry were to make a trade he probably would get fleeced. Im not sure what the answer is, but the easiest would be for Andy to pick his game up

  • Jacques

    2nd period over Hoffman 1 goal , 1 assist. Ceci 2 assists. Forget Del Zotto. Hoffman please or should we just keep rolling with Sniper Condra giving us offence on the third line?????

  • aegiszx

    I wish Telus co., Canadian Tire Group (owners of Sportchek, Part Source, Canadian Tire, and more) or TD Canada would put in a bid to take the Sens off Eugene’s hands. You want to talk about revenue? Those two players would bring in lottttts of money. Not to mention the marketing power and exposure would be fantastic.

    • Mat

      Or, Melnyk could go on Dragon’s Den.. I would love to see O’Leary tell Melnyk his valuation is wrong..

    • sens fabulous

      Amen to that!!!! If Melnyk can’t afford to take it to the next level he should eather look for a Partner$$$$ or sell the team!!!! NUFF SAID

  • Tim

    Nice! We just won our 7th in a row! All around scoring! 5 different guys! Robinson/Dizzy finally fighting! Lawson lights out again!

  • 65kwhissell19

    really don’t understand why they don’t bring up Hoffman and send down grant. 16 games 21 points no. 10 g 11a plus 6 seems ready to me

  • Jacques

    Pageau 2 goals one assist, Hoffman 1 and 1 , Petersson1 and 1. some talent in Bingo fo sure.

  • Jacques

    Let’s just give a couple of guys away to make room for a couple of bingo guys! Wink.

  • Jacques

    Brett Connolly falling out of favor with the Lightning, sent back to Syracuse. Right winger with lots of talent. Imagine a third line of Hoffman-Pageau-Connolly. Then just let them play and play till they develop lots of chemistry.

    Wonder if we could send them two players to nab him. Like Turris he just needs a change of scenery.

    • Jacques

      He’s a bit of a head case but he’s talented.

    • MikeS

      Yep, lets get the guy who conacher beat out of a job

  • Jacques

    The question is, how do you evaluate whether it’s Spezza or others who are at the root of the problem?

    Jason’s own Corsi For % (the percentage of shots/missed shots/blocked shots by the Sens when he’s on the ice) is hovering at 45.1%. In other words, when Jason is on the ice at 5v5, the opposition is taking 54.9% of the shot attempts. Of the players who’ve played more than 100 minutes this season, it’s the second worst rate on the team; trailing only Colin Greening. It’d be one thing if you were Matt Kassian and you were only logging 4 to 6 minutes a night, but when you’re averaging 14:31 of even-strength time on-ice, that’s a significant amount of time spent in the defensive zone.

    Yuck.

    A quick glance at his With Or Without You rates paint a picture of a player whose teammates play better away from him than they do with him.

    For starters, despite the rotating linemates, he’s still been on the ice with Erik Karlsson for 53.9% of his shifts. It’s not a large drop from his 2011-12 campaign in which he posted 84 points in 80 games. During that season, he was on the ice with Karlsson for 54.3% of his shifts.

    Moreover, no regulars benefit from a higher percage of offensive zone starts than Michalek (55.7%) and Spezza (54.4%).

    • Jacques

      Above from the 6th Sens.

  • Mat

    GAME DAY POST:
    ( for those in withdrawl…)

    Sens have been struggling. Defensively and in nets recently.

    Divisional games are important

    Last game versus the REd Wings was a major statement Game ( pretend there’s a video) for the Sens.

    Alfredsson would normally.get a.chance at revenge but he’s dealing with groin incident.

    Lineup is as usual but expect lots of juggling of lines in the second and third. Mika will.start on the top line with Spezza, but will probably shuffled incessantly.

    datsyuk and zetterberg are good. Need to watch them.

    Will be launching a contest soon. Stay tuned!

    • Jacques

      Good job MAT CHIRP!

      • Mat

        I had to make some adjustments… The shit you write at 3am when you’re half cut… : )

    • MikeS

      RE: Mika will play 2 shifts with spezza, score a goal, then be restricted to like 5 minutes of ice time

  • MikeS

    Sens are 5-0-1 in their division adn 7-3-2 vs the East. Seeing as they only get up for division games, I fully expect them to actually show up tonight.
    Fun fact, Sens are 2nd in the division vs eastern teams

    • MikeS

      Another fun fact, Sens have as many points as the sabers vs the west :(

  • Jacques

    Pageau 14 points in 8 games. He is on FIRE! What a fourth round pick! See you soon dude!