Game Day- Streaking Senators Head to Montreal

SensChirp January 4, 2014 390
Game Day- Streaking Senators Head to Montreal

The almost two full months without back to back wins is a thing of the past.  After an ugly 5-0 loss at the hands of the Boston Bruins, the Ottawa Senators appear to have finally turned the corner.  With wins over the Bruins, Capital and Jets, the Senators are finally on a winning streak.

They’ll put that three game run on the line tonight at the Bell Centre in Montreal.

Things have been going pretty well for the Habs since suffering a somewhat humiliating defeat at the hands of the Ottawa Senators in the first round of last year’s playoffs. Their 24-14-4 record is good enough for 4th in the Eastern Conference and has them sitting third in the Atlantic Division.  Led by likely Olympians in Carey Price and PK Subban, the Canadiens have been one of the more surprising teams in the East so far and seem prime for another playoff disappointment err I mean, appearance.

Meanwhile in Ottawa, things are finally starting to trend the right way.  Even before the three straight wins, there were impressive performances against teams like St. Louis and Pittsburgh that clearly showed this team is better than what their streaky start suggests.  In a cruel twist, the team they are chasing for the final playoff spot in the East is Daniel Alfredsson and the Detroit Red Wings.  The gap sits at three points with the Wings having one game in hand.  It’s still a pretty sizeable gap and one the Senators have to continue to close heading into the home stretch.

Jason Spezza has practiced with the teams the past couple days but will miss another game as he rehabs what the team is calling a hip injury.  Whether it’s his hip, back, knee or groin, it’s clear there have been things bugging Spezza during the first half of the season.  It’s important that he takes the time to get as close to 100% as possible before returning to the line up.  With Spezza out for a fourth straight, MacLean will go with the same forward combinations.  Looks like they’ll make one change to the blueline, as Eric Gryba draws in for Joe Corvo.

Here’s how the Senators lined up at the morning skate.

MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
Conacher-Zibanejad-Michalek
Greening-Smith-Condra
Kassian-Pageau-Stone

Cowen-Karlsson
Methot-Gryba
Phillips-Ceci

Craig Anderson gets the start in the Ottawa goal.

  • Jacques

    Looks like a winning lineup, make it 4 boys!

  • Lorenzo72

    That’s all. :)

  • Sharmarke

    Best news of the day. GRYBA IN CORVO OUT

    • Aaron 2.0

      Poor Weircioch. Mtl is extremely fast and skilled. The thought process is probably to add toughness to the lineup so that we can sort of impose our will on them. But it you can’t match the habs speed, you’re playing with fire. I would’ve liked to see Karlsoon, Weircioch, and Ceci all playing tonight.

      • SenaTHOR

        Pw46 is slow and weak.

      • sens23

        i think gryba is in for sheer mind games being played by PM. i wonder how confident eller will be carrying the puck tonight knowing gryba is out there

        with the emergence of ceci, wiercioch is becoming redundant

        • Aaron 2.0

          I’d be surprised if Eller gives it much thought, honestly. He wasn’t really carrying the puck when he got hit. It was just a horrible, horrible pass that put him in no man’s land by his own team mate.

          I guess it’s more of a personal preference for me. I’d much prefer to have as many puck movers as possible. Cowen, Phillips, and Gryba have all handled the puck like a ticking time-bomb at times. It scares me to have this many D that have struggled in this way against such as fast team like MTL. The best way to combat speed of a team like that is very quick puck movement. You can always pass a puck quicker than skate it.

          • Jacques

            That little Danish pastry will have his head on a swivel, number62 is out there!

          • SenaTHOR

            But if you have no net toughness you are screwed! Ill take this line up any day.

  • ghost of 1972

    DA DA KANADA

    NYET NYET SOVIET

    oops – wrong rival – never mind

  • Floridasensfan

    I hope we own them tonight like we did in playoffs

  • karlssens

    This is a must win!! Gets us to within a pt of detroit! Go get em boys! Hoping for a big game from the Turris line and Karlsson whose been a little quiet lately.

  • Andersonfan41

    Hofully the Senators win and move one within point behind the
    Detroit and hofully the Leafs lose to the Rangers this evening!

    • Jeff Albertson

      Worst speller EVER

      • WaitingSince92

        Gotta remain hofull!

  • Laurence Babchyuk

    Lets hit some habs and show them Rispek !

  • bluebuyyoo

    Canadian goalie gets called for tripping the shooter on a breakaway? Could also have been a penalty to the Finn for running the goalie.

    WJC reffing makes NHL look professional.

    • sens23

      well for starters it is a different set of rules. and tripping makes sense on that play. running the goalie how ever is a stretch considering the finn player deked fucale and is tripped.
      you would be screaming for a penalty if it was the canadian player on the breakaway and the finnish goalie tripping him.

      • bluebuyyoo

        Not at all. I don’t think I have seen a goalie called for tripping on a play like that. The only cause for tripping is when the goalie is well out of the crease. Fucale was deep in his net.

        Anyway, it is what it is. Canada’s PP is about as good as the Sens’ this afternoon.

        • sens23

          it is a different set of rules in IIHF compared to the NHL/CHL
          break it down, did fucale trip teurovainen? yes
          did he take away a scoring chance? yes
          looks like it meets the criteria for tripping in any league. they do not usually call it in NA, but i refer you to the first sentence and the right call was made

          but i agree this game was lost by canada’s failure to convert on the PP

          • bluebuyyoo

            Well, we can agree to disagree. The player fell after the puck was past the net. His scoring chance was over before he fell. Bullshit call.

        • sprucesens

          i would agree that our PP looked the same as canada’s. Lose the puck at the blue line every time, with absolutely no set up whatsoever.

    • SENSsmile

      It’s pretty simple: Canada was outplayed from the get-go until the last whistle. They must have thought the Finns were going to mail it in. Their arrogance cost them, unfortunately.

    • WaitingSince92

      Canada played a piss poor game, start to finish. Can’t blame the refs at all. We just couldn’t control the puck, couldn’t make clean passes. Too much sloppy play and WAY too many individual efforts. We’re all frustrated, but harping on the refs is pretty pathetic.

      • sprucesens

        agreed, too much individual efforts. It seemed the D jumped up way too often and led the rush into the zone. Not everyone can be karlsson…. Too often i saw dumba, pelech and a few others just skate it into the zone on a rush and try to get to the net, to have nothing happen but it come back our way. O well. Lazar looked decent when he was near the puck, but it didn’t seem to find him much today.

  • Andersonfan41

    If the Leafs lose this evening and the Senators win the Senators
    will only be two points behind the Leafs!

    • SENSsmile

      Don’t jinx it…

  • Andersonfan41

    This is a huge game for the Senators today!

  • Simple Jack

    Anyone got a link to the sens version of the thrift shop? Would love to hear a remix with “my captain come to me and cried in my arms” and other therrien qoutes.

    Get pumped boys, we’re going smurf hunting!

    • Sensnation

      You just put what you’re searching for in Google or Youtube and you’ll get it.

  • Simple Jack

    I believe tonights d pairings are our strongest, also keeping the fear in the face of montreal by playing gryba. This will be a big game. If we can chase price it will be epic, going to pvr this while i watch it. Go Sens!

  • Andrews theory

    No softies tonight Andy -keep your god damn focus!

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Thoroughly impressed with Lazar during the WJC. Not a “star” perse, but an important cog-like player who does many things well. Gonna be a good pro.

    As for tonight, tough game no doubt. Andy’s gonna have to play well, but the guys need to continue to generate offense. If the Sens can withstand the first ten minute flurry they have a chance.
    Go Sens Go!

  • sprucesens

    awful quiet in here today. Would have preferred greening and kassian swapped, making the smith line the 4th. But whatever works i guess. Go sens go

  • T K

    Looking for another glorious Methot hip check tonight. Hopefully right into Pernell’s big mouth.

  • Terry

    Where is Tookie? I seem to remember him saying Canada vs Sweden final. Tough lose to watch but the Finnish team skated and dictated the game. Good to see Lazar’s play was recognized, the future looks good.

    As for today’s game, I am hoping for some solid play again, a complete 60 min game.
    Go Senators!!!

  • Sandy

    Hoping for a Sens win tonight… it’s all on Andy to do what Lehner did in that 4-1 in Ottawa..
    Too bad for Team Canada… but they were outplayed.. Getting the bronze will not be easy.. Russia has a good team with a really good goalie.

    Could be an epic Gold medal match between Sweden & Finland with the two top goalies in the tournament…
    Go Sens… Go Canada.. Lazar is going to be a good one..

  • Deadly

    Another delayed start in Montreal.Must be giving Chirp an award.

  • bluebuyyoo

    Nice start!

  • T K

    Hahahahahaha!

    • bluebuyyoo

      Au lait!

  • Terry

    Nice goal, nice start!!!

  • SenaWalrus

    Sweet!

  • Sensnation

    Greening-Smith-Condra! What a play!

  • T K

    Price is afraid of bats!

  • Terry

    wow!! Ottawa has their legs!

  • T K

    One down, 20 to go. Keep hitting them!

  • Sandy

    Why was Subban allowed to punch Turris in the head while he was laying on the ice and not get nothing? The ref was right there and saw the whole thing..

    • Colin

      Same shit. Different game.

  • Colin

    Way to kill it baby!

    Now score on the PP!

  • karlssens

    What an amazing kill

  • Terry

    Nice!! Huge momentum build on that kill!! Now get the PP going early!!!!!!

  • SenaWalrus

    why do we have to listen to bob cole? I thought we only had that shit when we played toronto!

    at least he hates MTL more than us

    • T K

      Cole must be, what?, 106?

      At least with Corvo not playing, he won’t be calling both Corvo and Turris by the same name

  • karlssens

    They are hungry, first to the pucks.

  • Jacques

    Wow great job boys! MyColtsarenowonly down41-38 with 10 minutes to play!

  • Colin

    Whaaat? Did you know that the Egg McMuffin has only 290 calories and tastes like shit?

    • karlssens

      180 calories are fat loool

  • T K

    Stoner stoned him!

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Stone!! First NHL goal!!!1

    • T K

      Wasn’t his first in the playoffs against New York

      • Terry

        He assisted Spezza’s goal in the playoffs.

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        No that was an assist.

        • T K

          Ah. Ok

  • Terry

    STONE!!!!!

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    MOST IMPORTANTLY, KASSIAN’S FIRST POINT OF THE SEASON.

    • Colin

      Hey! Isn’t it the Sens’ job to give opposing players their first points of the year? :-)

    • T K

      Kassian’s first EVER NHL assist…

  • SenaWalrus

    bye bye price!

    edit: ok, that was premature…

  • Terry

    NICE!!! Another one!!!!

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    The Price is not right!

  • Terry

    Keep the foot one the gas!!!!

  • karlssens

    This is the Ottawa senators!!

  • Terry

    Gallagher needs to be destroyed

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    The way Mika uses his teammates is beautiful. Such a nice passer.

  • SenaWalrus

    Post!

  • T K

    Go Rangers Go! Leading by 2!

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Bob should have a three goals right now.

  • SenaWalrus

    Bobby Ryan can buy a goal

  • Terry

    I think Ryan will get one tonight! I can just feel it!

    • karlssens

      I hope so, I really want to see him get 35 this year!

  • Sensnation

    Sens definitely came to play for this rivalry. Some awesome hockey so far!

  • Terry

    Decent period (minus the penalties). The PK played decent in the first, Anderson looks strong, Ryan is flying all over the ice and Ceci looks like a stalwart on the blueline. This is the first game I have seen him play this year and I am already thinking of a Ceci Jersey,

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Keep Jason Spezza out please.

    We are twice the team without him.

  • luckan20

    We need to keep out of the box. Taking lazy penalties will kill our momentum. Both goalies have been lucky.

  • Terry

    If Condra gets in a fight, will he score a Gordie Howe hat-trick?

    • SenaWalrus

      Haha!

  • Terry

    Stone is looking good!!

  • Richard Gough

    Does Spezza have a NTC in his contract ?

    • SenaWalrus

      look on capgeek.com

    • Richard Gough

      D am it he does !

    • Sensnation

      Easy to want to trade a player who under performs while injured. He’s still more skilled than any other center on this team!

  • karlssens

    Stone looks great

  • SenaTHOR

    Note to Greening
    … back check! !@

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    I don’t know about anybody else, but I’m fine having Turris and Mika as my 1st and 2nd line centre.

    #TradeSpezza

  • SenaTHOR

    Note Spezza..watch Stones drive both ways

  • T K

    Tonight’s objective: Make Therrien cry.

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      You sir, have no rispeck.

  • SensFanInMTL

    These “trade Spezza” comments are putting me at neutral. Because by the way things look now, this is far from what I expected in terms of stringing 4 wins straight (hope I don’t jinx it). I just don’t know what to want or ask for anymore.

    I still like Spezza and he’ll always be my favourite Sen. But without him, the team is onto something. I wish it wasn’t so but not having Spezza is giving us W’s. You know things are fucked when Kassian is on the score sheet. Even more far fetched with Condra & Greening scoring. Ya-lah.

    #NeutralOnSpezzaTrade

    • Sandy

      They are playing simple hockey. Nothing fancy.. just up and down the ice.. going north & south.. not east & west..

  • Colin

    As good as he is, Subban is very unpredictable. When he goes on a rush, no one (PK included) seems to have any idea what he is going to do.

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      Um…. That’s a good thing.

      • Colin

        Um…no it’s not. He generally gives the puck away more than anything else. Looks great speeding in out of control though.

        • Sensnation

          Most high skill players give the puck away a lot. Look at Karlsson, Crosby … Part of being elite, you can take risks others can’t, some pay off some don’t.

  • Terry

    Scratch Kassian and move P44 to the wing. 44-19-61

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      As long as Spezza stays out of the top 6 I’m happy. Spezz can’t keep up with those guys.

  • Terry

    4 to 0 Rangers.

  • T K

    Pernell + Bouillon = turtle soup!

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Excellent road game so far by the Sens. Kept them at bay in the second.

  • Terry

    Interesting side note. CMac and Alfie are both sitting at 30 pts.

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      One is 2 million and change cheaper than the other. And not about to retire.

      • Terry

        Yep. CMac is looking worth the pick up!!

  • luckan20

    Splendid defensive game. These CBC announcers are biased to the core. We hit couple of posts, but one hit by them enough for the Cole and company to drool on the Habs.

    • SENSsmile

      Same unabashed bias on RDS, but at least this is expected from “Le Réseau des Sports.”

  • SensFanInMTL

    Glen Healy: “Well I think the Sens just got lucky because the Habs are feeling lazy. But then again I’m the type of the person that enjoys putting melting popsicles in my bumhole so what do I know about anything eh?”

  • T K

    I’ve been trying but so far, I really don’t give a shit about these Olympics…

    • Sensnation

      Wait till they are here, the hockey will get you interested on it’s own!

  • SensFanInMTL

    Man I hope we don’t lose this game. I hate the Habs fans.

  • Sensnation

    Brutal D by Karlsson. Would be nice if he gave a damn about his man!

    • T K

      I think that it was Gryba not Erik

      • Sensnation

        The goal that was just scored against us? That was Karlsson who let Briere go behind the net and didn’t rejoin him on the other side.

        • Sensnation

          Karlsson on for that one too!

      • T K

        Sorry, maybe not

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Cowen.

    • Sensnation

      Did you see the replay, that was Karlsson’s man again. He just floated to someone else that was already covered so it didn’t seem that way. Man 2 straight goals due to his lack of urgency on d.

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        No it was Cowen’s man.

        • Sensnation

          If anything only at the last minute when the guy was already behind him. Cowen was the one doing all the work following the play. Karlsson’s gotta have his back on both those last 2 goals, instead he just stood around.

          • jasonontheoldsenschirp

            Doesn’t matter who.

            It’s now a tied game.

          • Sensnation

            Sorry, by your original post looked like it mattered to you. And obviously by this chain I’m sick of these lackadaisical plays on D by Karlsson every f’n game!

          • SensFanInMTL

            Wrestlemania Main Event: jasonontheoldsenschirp vs. Sensnation – Steel Cage Match: Special Guest Ref: Tooks

          • Sensnation

            Suprise, we’re just faking the argument, we really wanted Tooks in the ring with us so we can burn off his Leafs tatts.

          • SENSsmile

            Let’s call it even: both Cowen and Karrlson effed up together on those two goals.

  • Terry

    arghh. PM needs to take a timeout

  • karlssens

    Just when you think the team came out to play… Loool fukk

  • karlssens

    Cowen literally destroys any partner he’s with.. Karlsson hasn’t played the same since he’s been with him.

    • Sensnation

      Haha, ya here comes the blame Cowen train! SCAPEGOAT!

      • Colin

        Nah. Somehow, this has to be Spezza’s fault.

        • Sensnation

          Haha, so true!

  • luckan20

    karlson looked horrible on both goals. Zero effort from him. He might not get selected for the Swedes.

  • QSenFan

    Sens still have lots of work to do on D, they are way too careless and unfocused

  • MikeS

    Wow gallagher is such a prick. Nice on conacher to be hard on him

  • T K

    Sens need to enter the zone with possession. No dump ins

  • Mark

    Man, they don’t look good out there. What happened?!

    • QSenFan

      They are not skating with mtl and are trying too much to chip the puck past players turning over pucks

  • SensFanInMTL

    Can’t body check Habs players, because then the fans will boo and want a penalty. They boo for everything and everyone. Booing MacArthur for retrieving at his end while they make a line up change.

  • H POTTER

    Just when you thought they were cruising to a victory, they’re out to give da freaking Habs at least a point. MERDE

  • SenaWalrus

    shootout anyone?

    • SensFanInMTL

      No. I hate those and they make me nervous. Next goal will be Pageau from Ceci.

  • SenaWalrus

    at least the rangers are destroying the laffs

    • QSenFan

      If we lose and Rangers win, we are bumped down for wild card

  • H POTTER

    Cowen has no identtity. Not there physically, not there offensively, not there defensively, not there intellectually

    • MikeS

      Airhead?

  • Mark

    Should have been a boarding call when Conacher was nailed behind in the Montreal end with about 6:30 left in the third.

    • MikeS

      That get let go every game. I was more annoyed when turris got hooked on a ryan dumpin

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        Yes I remember this play. Clear penalty call

  • luckan20

    When Cowen and EK on ice, during the Habs surge puts more pressure on the entire team and fans too.

  • SensFanInMTL

    This is all my fault. Everything was swell before I came home and turned on the TV. Me faire fourre en tabarnak.

    • QSenFan

      Ferme ta télé sti lol

  • MikeS

    “the dangerous russian defenceman” Didnt know karlsson was russian

    • SenaWalrus

      rushing not russian

      • MikeS

        Lol…guess I heard wrong

        • Colin

          Well, it is Bob Cole calling the game. He couldn’t tell the difference between Karlsson and Gonchar last year.

  • T K

    Did Cole just say that Karlsson is Russian?

    • SenaWalrus

      rushing defenseman, not russian defenseman

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Condra’s been terrific. As is Ceci

  • SensFanInMTL

    Wow that Greening, Condra and Smith line have really looked well tonight. Can’t believe I said that but really they have looked good.

  • MikeS

    Ceci is by far the senators best defenceman tonight

    • Sensnation

      Most consistent the last few weeks too!

  • SensFanInMTL

    OK THIS IS FUCKING IT!! FEW SECONDS LEFT AND WE SCORE ON THE PP AND GIVE THEM NO POINTS! LET’S GET IT FUCKING DONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    LETS DO THIS.

  • SenaWalrus

    OT with a PP… cmon boys

  • MikeS

    Isnt it 5v4 to start in OT? I thought it was only 4v3 if the penalty was taken in OT

  • Phoenix

    Does Ceci make Cowen expendable. He sure looks like he is making a statement that he deserves to stay up.

    • Colin

      No

    • Sensnation

      He deserves to stay, but I don’t think they are mutually exclusive. Without Cowen, who fills your top 4? Karlsson, Methot, Ceci ..? And then who fills the rest of the roster? Even if Cowen became a 4-5, still needed on this team.

    • 4thStringGoalie

      Karlsson, Ceci, Cowen, Boro, Weircoche, Gryba….. Why get rid of any of them? If say 4 of them turn into above average top 4 defencemen we will have great young core of D moving forward.

      • Phoenix

        Why not move Cowen for another defensive prospect that can come in and help in a couple of years. Stagger the kids

  • T K

    YES

  • SenaWalrus

    yeah baby!

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    CLARKE.

  • H POTTER

    Always 4 on 3 if a penalty during regulation that carries into OT. Or if penalty during OT

    • SenaWalrus

      if its 5 on 3 to start OT, it stays 5 on 3…

  • luckan20

    MacArthur >>>>>>>>>>>> the entire Leafs team….

  • SensFanInMTL
  • Mark

    Wooooooooot!!!!! Thank yoooouuu Suuuubbbaannn!!!!

  • Sensnation

    Wooohooo!!!

  • H POTTER

    Thank you SUBBBANNNNN

    • NOBODY can play with Spezza

      I think that may have cost Pernell a spot on the Olympic team

  • LeafsSux

    YES!!!!!

  • T K

    Seven to fucking one ??!! Wow. Way to go Rangers

  • Colin

    Fuck off CBC. Daniella Briere as 1st star. Condra should have been up there. Prolly had Phanoof as a star in the Leafs loss too.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Probably Erik Condra’s best game I’ve seen in a Sens uniform. Great two-way play all game.

    • pesky

      his previous game was also excellent

  • pesky

    goals from a Leafs reject , a rookie and two 7th round draft picks

    sounds like a PESKY team to me

    • NOBODY can play with Spezza

      Billy Beane says HI

  • Sensturion

    Um… Jason? Take ALL the time you need.

    • Sensnation

      I’m so torn!

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      Fully agreed. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that the Sens have won 4 games in a row without Spezza.

      He is the problem.

      • Sensturion

        IMO, Spezza tries to slow down the game too much which in turn slows down the whole team.

        • jasonontheoldsenschirp

          Exactly. This team can actually skate pretty good. When Spezza’s on the ice, his hesitation moves, drop passes and selfish stops with the puck ruin the flow of the game.

          Put him on the third line Mika and Turris are doing just fine.

          • Sensnation

            The Penguins hate when Crosby does those things too, so disruptive, like North-South already.

          • Colin

            Stop making sense. Forget that Spezza is a PPG, +60 lifetime player. He is finished and will only make another team better.

      • SensFanInMTL

        But est ce que t’es sure about ca?

      • Sensnation

        Isn’t Neil out too? So they’re both the problem now? Or maybe the team was coming together anyways, and Spezza’s injury has allowed the team to not waste minutes on a less than 100% player who hadn’t found chemistry with his linemates yet.

        If Spezza comes back healthy, just trust that him and Stone will connect!

        • Richard Gough

          I am not will to take the risk that
          He needs to be moved now before it’s to late

          • Sensnation

            Yes, cause gms get max value when trading an injured star. Sad, so so sad.

        • SENSsmile

          ‘If”… that’s a big word.

  • SensFanInMTL

    I am so ecstatic now it’s beyond words. I am very happy. This is a great night. This is fuckin awesome.

  • mkjr

    Great game by Mac and Stone!

  • Richard Gough

    Time to start finding a new home for Spezza as much as I liken him but this team is rolling

    • Richard Gough

      Murray really need to call Minnesota In hopes there is room for Spezza

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        Ya Spezz needs to go.

        • Richard Gough

          Spezza for Granlund and a salary dump

          Turris C1
          Granlund C2

          • Jacques

            Granlund isn’t going to bump Zibby form the 2C spot.

          • Richard Gough

            Having Granlund will give this team some well needed depth

          • Phoenix

            This team has depth at center. It would need to be Coyle

      • SENSsmile

        …where he could play again with his good buddy Heatley. What a good pair they would make together (for those still living in 2007).

    • Jacques

      Toronto needs help, Spezz would look good in blue. Lol

      • Jacques

        Rather see him in Edmonton to be honest but it’s cold as hell there for a guy with a bad back. A warm weather team would be ideal.

        • Phoenix

          Edmonton is great landing spot for him and Cowen

          • Richard Gough

            Spezza for Eberly ?

      • Richard Gough

        Spezza for Kadri

  • Shibal

    Wow Chris Neil really sucks!

  • Michenator

    It’s amazing how players like Phillips, Neil and Spezza all become players you love because of the long term relationship you have with them. But WOW! When you see what the other options are, it makes the future look more bright then bleak.

    • Jacques

      When’s the next game maybe I can get Spezza. To watch my kids, keep him occupied you know!

  • Jacques

    Wow, unfortunate that we had to give the weasels a point but awesome that we got the extra one. My two teams won in incredible fashion today, Colts and Sens! It’s been a good day. Gryba looked good, Cowen o my my , he had a bad game! Ceci , holy Molly he looks amazing!

    • SENSsmile

      Cowen… ANOTHER bad game. And yes, Ceci even outshone Karlsson tonight… awesome!

  • mkjr

    To all the Ottawa Sun fans…I’m sure joeyhabs 1993 won’t be around tonight. I’m as sure of that as I’m sure hutyooo will post a stupid comment!
    GSG!

    • Jacques

      Hutyooo must be Tooks.????

      • bluebuyyoo

        Nah. Hutyoo is masquerading as any one of the guys bashing Spezza.

        • mkjr

          hutyoo, bashes everything and anything Sens. It doesn’t matter what they do …he finds the negative. Apparently, he resides in “Pleasant Valley NY!!! He’s definitely a Rangers fan!

      • mkjr

        On the Ottawa Sun,there is this guy calling himself joeyhabs1993, he is so over the top that its unbelievable …..but some people bite!! you should check him out!

  • Laurence Babchyuk

    Phew ! we won vs the refs ! I mean Montreal in Montreal ! it almost cost us cause at the begining of the third the team played extremely soft since they didn’t want to send Montreal in yet ANOTHER power play. My god it’s frustrating playing that team in Montreal, all the favors they get in a game is annoying. But they did it.. PESKY !!
    Now only thing we need to do is.. Get Phillips injured.. and keep Spezza away from this team and we will be ALLLLLlllll good.

  • Phoenix

    Why is it that this team always does better when Spezza is out. Great game boys.

    • Laurence Babchyuk

      simple.. cause Spezza creates the turnovers in the worst spots of the ice and he has no heart He is full of talent though but.. we need to be pesky to win.. That’s what the dynamic of this team is all about. Gritty and pesky

      • Sensnation

        Spezza’s turnovers in the offensive zone are not worse than Karlsson’s in the defensive/neutral zone. Also no heart? He is all about this team, playing through serious injuries to try and help, rushing back, fighting if the occasion calls for it. No heart, man you fans are disgusting!

        • Laurence Babchyuk

          2 years ago was the only time that I didn’t saw Spezza do his blind passes. Did a hard forecheck / backcheck… I really thought that he would change his game for the good. Other then that, sorry but heart and spezza never could be spelled in the same sentence. He’s the exact replica of Lecavalier. Full of talent and capable of Highlight reel plays but they will drive coach crazy . There,s a big difference in Karlsson and Spezza when it comes to fight back” Karlsson will lose the puck yeah.. but you look at him skate back to get back in position like no one else. Karlsson is the best Dmen to get the puck out of the zone, either by himself or by a great first pass. He’s a minus player at the moment but he also plays the toughtest minutes and he longest during the game.
          But that’s ok, I respect that you’re a Spezza fan. That’s fair enough since he is a great talent. I just don’t think that he’s a leader since he doesn’t bring the grittyness. the heart that this team has. It’s a matter of opinion but the fact is.. They are Pesky without him in the lineup. They play harder and don’t quit, even Tonight after a Terrible start in the third period they didn’t stop there and they found a way to win this game.
          I play Defence in a garage league maybe and there’s nothing worst for a defence when the forewards lose the puck in the neutral zone or near the blue line since the defence move foreward, it always creates an automatic 2 on 1. That’s what Spezza creates. Always have been.. *except 2 years ago* always will be. I’d love to see the sens win ! With Spezza, without Spezza, I don’t care but when he was listed on the bench I was * great !! we’re gonna be force to be pesky again.. and there we go ! we are pesky !

    • NOBODY can play with Spezza

      Jason Spezza 2014 = Joe Thornton 2005

      It’s time for JS19 to go

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    It’s a changing of the guard in Ottawa. Out with the old, in the with the new. The future is now. Guys like Karl, Turris, Mika, Bobby, and Ceci are now becoming the faces of the team.

    Big Rig, Chris Neil, and Jason Spezza – God bless them – are not the same they were 5 years ago.

    These past four games PROVE it. We are a better team without them. More energy, faster skating, overall better team. We don’t need Spezza anymore.

    • Sensnation

      4/82 = 4.9% sample size, ya that sounds like plenty, who needs vets, not Edmonton … um I mean Ottawa!

      • Shibal

        Actually you can include this stretch of games+ last year’s season and playoffs against the Canadians.

        • bluebuyyoo

          I did! Truth hurts, eh?

        • Sensnation

          So we’re ignoring Alfie’s contributions last season to help further the point?

    • Colin

      Spezza – last 5 years – 276 points in 289 games.

      This year – 30 points in 39 games/
      Yeah. He’s not the same.

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        No he isn’t. He has a chronic back problem and isn’t getting any younger.

        • bluebuyyoo

          and he is still the best player on this team. Isn’t that something!

          • Jacques

            What cable package do you have cuz you aren’t watching the same games as we are, stop posting on here MRS Spezza.

          • bluebuyyoo

            Who is “we”? The Spezza anti-fan club? From the looks of the posts in this forum, there are about 4 of you. LOL

          • Jacques

            And you and Sandy. Go on other forums and you’ll see that the lynch mob is humongous! Hf boards, sixthe sens! Silver Seven.

          • bluebuyyoo

            Wrong again Jacques. It’s the same few squeaky wheels spouting the same mantra without being able to think for themselves.

          • SENSsmile

            Actually, blue, some of us can think for ourselves. We just happen to disagree with you. Anyone who’s been watching the Sens this year can see clearly that Spezza has been more detrimental than useful to his team. Cowen is another guy who’s having a miserable year, but at least in his case, there is still hope that he can become better — given that he’s still quite young, especially for a d-man. Spezza is 30, injury-riddled, and not getting any better. Nothing personal against him, it’s just a fact.

          • bluebuyyoo

            I agree that Spezza has had a bad year so far, but I find it completely absurd that he should be tossed aside as if he has done nothing for this team. That sure seems to be the desire of some of the Spezza haters.

            Bumped to the 4th line.
            No PP minutes.
            Reduced minutes until he “proves” himself.

            Ridiculous.

          • peetypuck

            Most of us happen to be Sens fans first. Spezza seems to have become a liability. Maybe he has a nagging injury, who knows? If some other team makes a decent offer I think Murray should take it.

          • bluebuyyoo

            Seriously? Maybe he has a nagging injury so fuck him, dump him. I am a Sens fan too and I find statements like that about our new captain to be completely gutless.

          • peetypuck

            So you have your opinion and I have mine. Next year his contract is up. Are you going to re-sign him for $7 million for another 6-7 years with his injury history? If not he will walk and we get nothing back for him.

          • SENSsmile

            Well put.

          • peetypuck

            Thanks, SENSsmile. Do you know “sensnation” or “bluebuyyoo”? They seem to be trying to take over every comment like CTD, hutyoo and the other trolls do in the Ott Sun.

          • bluebuyyoo

            Fuck you! I have been a regular since SC opened shop. Before that I followed him on Sportsnet forums. I also post here as Colin. I consider myself a true fan that is willing to give our captain or any other injured player the benefit of the doubt. Have you even read some of the idiotic posts?

          • SENSsmile

            True, peetypuck. It seems like they always need to get the last word and their mantra about Spezza being a “point-per-game-player-even-when-injured-and-great-on-faceoffs” is getting a little tired.

          • bluebuyyoo

            I have no idea what he will get for his next contract. It will likely be based on how he plays out the rest of his current contract. I have never said that he should not be traded. I am wholly disgusted by the talk of dumping him, removing his minutes, no PP time…etc without letting him at least try to regain his form. He is still under contract for another 2 years after this season. Trading him now would be stupid. The only time BM will get any fair value is at the deadline or draft.

          • SENSsmile

            I think we both agree that Spezza deserves a little more respect for what he’s done to the Sens’ franchise. However, I personally think that it would be a mistake to hang on to him much longer. I’m not a “Spezza hater”, as I was in fact among those who thought he deserved to be named captain. I wouldn’t want him to be humiliated today, by being bumped to a lower line, or taken off the PP, etc. It think some teams would probably still want to have him in their lineup, where there wouldn’t be so many expectations and pressure.

          • bluebuyyoo

            Agreed. It really burns me that some “fans” want him traded or scratched. This reminds me of the Alfredsson hatred prior to 2006. I believe that Spezza has earned the right to a place on this roster when he is deemed fit to play.

          • Sensnation

            Detrimental? You sound like someone who can ignore certain contributions to further your own point. Let’s ignore his production, his faceoffs, that before getting injured he was playing more physical at both ends to start the year. Scapegoat city! Sens fans ridicule Leaf and Habs fans for their bs fickleness and their scapegoating of perfectly good players, sadly you all are just doing the same thing! You can only be as educated as you choose to be!

          • SENSsmile

            But Spezza’s great contributions are now in the past, Sensnation. As much as I hate saying it, I think that he’s damaged goods today That’s the reality of sports: the prevailing mindset is “what have you done for me lately?”

          • bluebuyyoo

            Leading team FO% and 30 points with a possible injury. That’s better than most on this team. I say give him a chance to get healthy.

          • Sensnation

            In the past as in like 4 games ago? Like come on, he was never the defensive shutdown guy for this team, he’s about offense, faceoffs and leadership and he’s been producing all of those even if not up to his all star standards. But to act like because he’s a bit off and gets injured he’s completely done is so wrong. I’m not debating that he’s older or that I hope his next contract is cheaper, but to throw him under the bus the way that’s being done. Hard to ask players to care about franchises and fans that don’t give a shit about them and respecting them like human beings.

      • H POTTER

        Again with the stats….means nothing. he’s more of a liability then he is offensive contributor. He’s all around health problems has slows his game

        • bluebuyyoo

          Yea. Why let the truth get in the way of a good lynching? Fuck the points! Goals and assists don’t mean anything, right?

          You guys are pretty funny.

          • Jacques

            Yeah you’re right he had 30 points but is minus f-ing 20! That shows me that he’s struggling. And my 2 eyes show me a guy who gets his line in all sort of trouble with turnovers and not much effort in the defensive zone,

          • bluebuyyoo

            Jacques, I have told you before and i will tell you again: your hatred of Spezza is clouding your judgement. He is not -20. He is -14. Please look it up before posting shit and looking silly. If you want to judge players on stats, EK is -12. By your thought process, he should be tossed aside too.

          • Jacques

            Ok call me a liar for a few minus’.

          • bluebuyyoo

            I did not call you a liar. I said that you should look up stats if you are going to use them to slag a player. Otherwise, you come off as lazy and silly.

          • SenaTHOR

            And really EK plays like shit in the D zone.

          • sens23

            is ovechkin struggling because he is -15 as well. not saying spezza is ovechkin but maybe the +/- isnt the best stat to judge a player
            too many people on here are drinking the advanced stats coolaid. are they relevant…..absolutely! but guys making the be all end all of them is also ridiculous. this is proven by the fact some fans want to trade the sens best overall talent. and run with a player that has a career best 29 points in a season up to this point and a player who has 85 career games as their 1-2 centers
            the has also blinded posters to the fact turris has been a ghost these past 4 games offensively going up against teams top d pairings regularly. but hey its better to run good corsi then be a strong dominant center as a 1st liner
            it is also funny that the minute the sens finally have depth at center they want to trade the best one of them away. teams win cups with depth down the middle

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        Spezza’s points mean shit all if we’re losing games and are a losing team.

        This team for the last 4 games has played without Spezza’s 30 point self, and won them the 4 games. We are now in the playoff picture and above .500. Because of TEAM play, and commitment.

        Trade Spezza.

        • bluebuyyoo

          Gutless. The whole team was playing like shit. The defense was and at times still is terrible. To place the blame for that on Spezza is short sighted and stupid.

        • Sensnation

          We get it, you want the young guns 100% of the time cause potential is more valuable to you than proven results over a career. It’s pretty sad, disrespectful and honestly uneducated to be saying half the stuff you are. We each get our opinion, just glad management, coaches, and you know pro hockey players don’t share your opinion.

          • bluebuyyoo

            Well said!

    • Laurence Babchyuk

      We need Chris Neil, he brings alot to the game. He’s the only one out of Phillips, spezza, neil trio that I like. Phillips is very bad at D and spezza well… mehh

  • SensFanInMTL

    This is the big break I alluded to after the Christmas break. This is almost the same feeling as 2010 when we went on a tear and ultimately secured a playoff spot in the end. No one player is bigger than the other team. Sorry favourite player Spezza, but if it happens, we gotta do what’s best for business.

  • Sandy

    Good start for the road trip. Next up Colorado… now that won’t be easy.. then Preds, Wild, then home to the Smurfs again…

  • Kielbasa

    You so called fans on here crapping on Spezza are serious idiots. The guy is an elite talent on the ice and a great guy off the ice; even after surgery and a rough first half of the season. This team is much better with him than without. No matter what you will always find someone to shit on. Give it a rest and cheer on the win tonight.

    Great first. Quiet second. Brutal third…but they managed to pull out with the win. Keep it going.

    • Sandy

      They always need someone to be the whipping boy. Used to be Redden… now it’s Spezza, Cowen, Condra…

    • Richard Gough

      You are so wrong on this

    • Shibal

      Was an elite talent. His struggles can go all the way back to his play in the swiss league during the lockout; he was not tearing it up there, while Seguin and Kane were.

      He was playing pretty average before his surgery after the lockout aswell, and his average play has continued through out this season.

      • Richard Gough

        Sadly to say he reminded me of Alex Kovalev
        -injured prone
        - plays when he wants to play

      • H POTTER

        There was probably a typo he meant “was”…lol you guys need to stop with the past stats ! the dude is clearly not the same player so stop it it’s just annoying to be that blind and not see this.

    • NOBODY can play with Spezza

      no back – no groin – no hip

      Spinner Spezza is falling apart

      He’s got about ONE decent season left in him

      Trade him to a contender NOW – so he’ll have one last shot at a Cup

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        Yep. That chronic back problem isn’t going to get any better. And Spezz isn’t getting any younger.

        This team is better without him. Plus with whoever we can get in a trade.

  • karlssens

    First of all, Neil doesn’t suck. However, he does need to play on the fourth line, not the third. Keep condra with smith and greening, and move Neil with pageau and stone when he’s healthy? When spezza comes back it’s going to be interesting to see what we do with the players on this roster.. It’s too difficult to send Stone down from what I’ve seen so far. Might be time for Pageau to finish the season in Bingo?

    MacArthur- Turris – Ryan
    Michalek- zibanejad – Conacher
    Stone – spezza – condra
    Neil-smith-greening

    Also, if Ceci is here to stay, a trade has to be coming.. Can’t play the whole season with 8 D..

    • SENSsmile

      Pageau played a great game tonight. He was robbed by Price a did great overall.

    • peetypuck

      Bryan Murray can sit back and wait until some GM is willing to give up someone that helps the Sens.

  • things that make me go hmmmmmm

    Don Cherry is in love with Mark Stone

    • H POTTER

      Lololol

  • Phoenix

    Murray will have a big decision at the deadline or on draft day. Tirris and Zib have proven they can hold down 1 and 2c. Pageau at 3, and smith at 4. Spezza is a great talent but the team plays better without him. Moving Spezza at the draft makes the most sense if the team is in a playoff hunt now. Saves money while getting some value

    • Richard Gough

      The big question is what can you get for Spezza ?

      • Eugenius

        Top 6 winger or top 4 dman and a 1st round pick or a high end prospect

        • bluebuyyoo

          Hahahaha. The way he is being run out of town? Have you seen the value placed on him by the “fans”? He is supposedly finished and washed up with a bad back/hip/groin.

          LOL Make up your mind

          • Eugenius

            I…dont really understand what you’re saying…

          • bluebuyyoo

            I’m not surprised.

        • Richard Gough

          I would take the top 6 forward and the 1st for him

          • Richard Gough

            I wonder if Nashville would have interest in Spazza enough to hand over Forsburg and a prospect or a 1st

      • Phoenix

        Something between the return on Vanek and Iginla

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Spezza’s points mean shit all if we’re losing games and are a losing team.

    This team for the last 4 games has played without Spezza’s 30 point self, and won them the 4 games. We are now in the playoff picture and above .500. Because of TEAM play, and commitment.

    Trade Spezza.

    • bluebuyyoo

      Absolutely the most uninformed, short sighted comment yet.

      Neil has also been out for those games. Trade Neil!
      Lehner has been doing nothing, sitting on the bench. Trade Lehner!

      I guess the recent stellar play by Anderson has had nothing to do with the wins.

      It’s all because Spezza is not playing. Wow!

      • Sensnation

        Don’t spread the blame, it’s all Spezza, you know this. He wears the C, he’s been here longest, he lives in Ottawa. All the signs are there, he’s the problem!

    • Sensnation

      Let’s GO … Scapegoat … Fickle Fans …

  • Andrews theory

    Boooya we win again! Way to pull it out lads!

  • SenaTHOR

    I think Gryba gets traded this week. He has played well enough that he could be traded in a package for another puck moving defenceman. I noticed the Canadiens didn’t want any part of him or Methot. Eight defensemen sucks to somebody has to go and I think his value is high enough to get another puck moving defenceman. For those who don’t know what a puck moving defenseman is it is a player who needs to get three points to end up even in the +- category.

    • Laurence Babchyuk

      I wouldn’t like to see Gryba go. I think he’s a hard Defencemen to play against. Delzotto isn’t what this team need. Bring Boro, get Phillips out ! ( won’t happen )

    • Richard Gough

      Trade Phillips !!!! Enough said

    • Sandy

      Trade Corvo — if some sucker team will take him…. I don’t want to see them yet give up on Gryba or Wiercioch…

  • SuckitPhaneuf

    Spezza is an elite talent in the league and we are lucky to have had him wear the Senator logo for so long.
    He has a no trade clause so the ball is completely in his court.
    If he decides to go, which I doubt, it will be on his terms
    He is worth a top 4 player and a number 1 pick just to start the conversation

    • Richard Gough

      If you ask him to lift his NTC to go play with Heatley I bet you he will

  • SuckitPhaneuf

    We have enough puck moving defencemen
    If you trade Gryba, you have to find another guy just like him
    The montreal players steered clear of him for a reason

    • Laurence Babchyuk

      Yep, and he loves to hit the habs.. That was funny to see the habs avoid Methot and Gryba.

    • Deadly

      Don’t forget that Boro’s on a one way next year and he will bring a nasty attitude with him. Definitely nastier than anyone we have had since…maybe forever but maybe Carkner.

  • T K

    “(Spezza’s) a top player and somebody has to step in. I feel like that has been the problem (when he plays) we maybe wait for him to do something spectacular so we just sit back and wait,” said Zibanejad. “That kind of gives us a good (idea) for when he comes back that we just have to keep going.”

  • Aaron 2.0

    Watched the game late on gamecenter as I was out and couldn’t watch live. I never do that. If I miss a game I just let it go, but it was against the habs, so I made an exception.

    What a fun game to watch! I thought it was actually pretty even, and could have went either way. We caught some breaks with a quick whistle when Anderson didn’t have the puck (in the 1st), and with the bounce off the skate for Condra’s goal.

    Usually after a game like this, i’d be perturbed about how many minutes went to our bottom 6, taking away from the top 6. I get why MacLean does it. He likes the 3rd checking line against the top opposition line. Still, when some of our best don’t end up with their typical minutes it can drive me insane. Not tonight though! I thought our bottom 6 played really well, and deserved every minute. So happy for Stone! His skating has really, really, really improved. I’d love to know what he did this off-season to get there. Figure-skating coach maybe?

    I was also off-put about not seeing Weircioch in the starting line-up this morning. Well, i’ll admit when i’m wrong. Gryba and Methot played great. Gryba had a really clean game, and moved the puck really well. I’d still love to see more of Weircioch. I feel he’s struggled no more than a lot of our other D, yet gets benched the most. But, there is really only 1 rotating spot. So, that makes it tough to get ice time.

    • SenaTHOR

      Actually Gryba gets benched most, look at number of games. His numbers seem good all around its just that PM seems to panic when they don’t score enough then immediately goes to PW46 or OOJoe. Then they shit the bed defensively and the need a defensive player and Gryba gets in. I really like how Ceci has progressed. He is solid in both ends of the ice.

      • Aaron 2.0

        My bad. Weircioch – 29 GP. Gryba – 21 GP. I think Gryba has had good and bad games this year. There’s probably been more good than bad for him though. Also, he’s young, so he’s going to struggle every now and then (that’s totally fair). And, he really played a hell of a game yesterday. I was very impressed!

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Some of the trade Spezza comments in here are hilarious.

    Don’t get me wrong, I casually /theoretically am not against the idea… But I’m by no means about to start hating on Spezza… He is arguably our most skilled player.

    I don’t understand how someone can say in one breath Spezza is done and he isn’t the same player… But then two minutes later expect a kings ransom if we move him…..

    NEWS FLASH

    Other gms watch mote and pay more attention to hockey than probably all the fans combined on this site.

    Chirp… Keep the highlights going, I’m stuck in Aruba this week…. Driving me nuts trying to find somewhere that will play the games!

    • Laurence Babchyuk

      Ohh, Aruba !! Enjoy it there it’s a super nice place !

      Spezza is arguably our most skilled player indeed. I really don’t think that he suddenly sucks. I always thought that he’s way to fancy for his skill set Spezza doesn’t fit the type of game that Paul Mac wants his players to play. 2 years ago Spezzza seemed to adjust and I was starting to like him the first time in 10 years. Then he got hurt and he came back to his old habits that will drive any coach insane. Life is about adjustment if he can’t adjust to the whole teams philosophy then he doesn’t really fit in the team anymore.

      Look at Bobby Ryan, he’s a highly skilled player, tagged as a not so intense player, yet he’s a super intense Power Foreward. Is he inspired by his center ? Probably ! And that is why it didn’t work out with spezza who was slow , to fancy
      Trying to deke out everyone by himself and failing 9 times out of 10. It screws up with your linemates cause they have to wait and let him do his thing.

      If the whole team go hard and your captain is the one that takes it ez there’s a problem. Sadly he is our most skilled player but we don’t need him anymore unless he can work like all the others. Team game they need to be pulling in all the same direction and the will succeed with all the talent that this team has.

    • sben

      We can ask for a good return for spezza because we know that he does have the skill to be a really good player but right now he isn’t playing well. We know that he can do very well he just needs some proper linemates. Having said that I think we won’t get as much now if we trade him when he started playing better but I don’t want to wait until then because he has really been hurting the sens with his awful play. Personally I think we should trade michalek and spezza for a second line winger and some draft picks. We don’t really need much help on the backside. We have some good goalie prospects and we can replace phillips from within when he retires. I want to get rid of Cowen but it doesn’t seem murray wants to do that. Our forwards have been playing well too. Our bottom six produces when our top six takes a day off. The top line of 6-7-16 is fine. The third line could be improved but its OK where it is now. The only thing I don’t like is michalek with zib and conacher. Michalek doesn’t deserve the money he is getting to ride off of zibs and conmans chemistry. I think stone should stay up there until lazar is ready and then we are in trouble because we have too many good players. When that happens it will be a fine time.

  • Deadly

    A little change of subject is in order. I would like to compliment the organization and point out how well our players are being developed within the system. The call ups are being taught to play a responsible brand of hockey. Their inherent skills are being complemented with the other aspects of the game without stifling their strong points.
    Ceci,Pageau and Stone have come up and immediately impressed PM enough to be used in all situations.

    • SenaTHOR

      Could the coaching in Bingo actually be better?

      • Deadly

        Not really,plus not nearly as experienced. Teaching the same system with younger players. I would think working with a team that is mixed with veterans and rookies would be more difficult and require some experience. We have had bad coaches in the past so if you are long time fan you would be able to identify them easily.

  • Deadly

    Also Zbad was sent down.and that certainly has proven to be a positive move for his development .
    Bingo continues through the loses of their top producers and seem to have players to fill each critical spot.
    Maybe the quality of the call ups have got the attention of Condra and Greening and have them skating again.

  • A-Train

    The more interesting question is: What does the Senators organization think of Spezza?

    They named him Team Captain just four months ago. And not much has really changed since then: He’s put up numbers near his career averages and he’s dealt with injuries similar to those which have plagued him over his career. Despite what some of us think on this board, the team won’t blame Spezza for the mediocre W/L record this season. Not with so many other factors (D coverage, goaltending problems) also in the mix.

    So where is the team’s motivation to trade him? Despite my own personal feelings (which are mixed for sure) I just don’t see it happening.

  • SenaTHOR

    Spezza must feel the pressure. Being named captain, with his physical limitations and not living up to expectations, he must be on edge. That being said he needs to find a way to play at the top level. I certainly don’t hate him but I don’t like his sub effort play and defensive irresponsibility. One or two dangle goals doesn’t do it for me. The guy needs to build up his strength cardio big time. Physically kind of reminds me of Wiercioch..skill with physical limitations.

  • F5

    Before the season started, I think many of us were willing to give Spezza a clean slate to start fresh. I truly believed that being named Captain would change his game. He would be more responsible and think team first since he now had the responsibility of being the leader. One too many dangles and no-look passes later, it’s easy to see he will never change. This team plays better without him because they play AS A TEAM, which is what PM wants. MZ93 even said it himself. When 19 is in the lineup, they wait for him to do something spectacular, which he does on occasion. Without him, they play together

    It’s time to move on from Spezza. He is still a bonifide #1 center who would thrive with a sniper on his wing. It could be a win-win for the Sens and whoever trades for him.

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      My goodness. So eloquently spoken. I fully agree with this.

      This team is playing so well as a unit right now. Who know how much better we could be with whoever we could get in a trade with Spezz. Because I really don’t think he’s right for this team anymore.

      • Sensnation

        Yes so well as a unit we should make a trade to insert a new piece that has never played with this unit. That won’t be disruptive at all, good plan!

  • yannrock

    I wonder if all the fans that want Spezza traded are the same that wanted Alfredsson traded before the 06 season?

    Like I have said before, the man was just named captain of a team that had the same one for over 12 years. There will be an adjustment period.

    But come on, let’s be loyal to a player that so far has been very loyal to our team.

    He is still producing as he should, his new role will grow on him.

    Give the guy a chance!

    Karlsson, Ryan and Spezza are still our best players

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      How long of a chance should we give him though?

      Half a season of losing isn’t long enough??????

      • Richard Gough

        So why can’t we win with him in the line up then ? Enough is enough he needs to move on , go get his cup before it’s too late

        • Colin

          “go get his cup before its too late”

          You hate him that much much that you would rather he won a cup with another team.
          If you think he can win a cup with another team, why trade him?

          You guys truly are a funny bunch.

          Thumbs down all you like, but I believe that our new captain should be given a chance to play healthy rather than be tossed repeatedly under the bus.

          This used to be one of the few forums where fans could rationally discuss the Senators. Lately, the comment section has sunk to the level of the Ottawa Sun and TSN.

          • Sensturion

            Why? Because people are pointing out a fact? No one is saying Spezza is a bad player. What people are saying, based on what we’ve seen lately and last year, is that Spezza doesn’t play the 200ft game that Maclean has tried to put on the ice. As such, when he’s not in the lineup, the team follows the game plan and actually plays well.

            Centers are supposed to be defensively sound players because it’s their job to control the center of the ice. Turris backchecks, (attempts to) hit, and is very sound defensively while putting up decent numbers. Zibanejad does the same. Smith, while not the most offensive of players, does his job and does it well. Spezza, on the other hand, while good offensively and awesome on faceoffs, doesn’t backcheck very much and lazily gets back into the play when he makes a mistake. The team has attempted to put defensive players on his line but it hasn’t worked well. A fully offensive line with Spezza is too much of a liability out there.

            Don’t get me wrong, I like Spezza. I have a #19 sweater with his name on it at home. But until he learns to play the Maclean 200ft game, I just don’t see a place for him in the lineup.

          • Colin

            Yes, they are saying that Spezza is a bad player. Some folk are calling for a reduced role, benching, no PP time..etc. Ridiculous.

            I agree that he has struggled, but throwing him under the bus and blaming him for the teams struggles this season are wrong.

            You could make a good case that the *much* improved play of Anderson has led to the recent success.

          • Sensnation

            Every argument I hear against Spezza can also be applied to Karlsson’s game yet somehow the fan base wants to switch him to the Captaincy? Grass is always greener … until it’s not!

        • Jacques

          Whatever team you send him to will never win a cup,

      • Sensnation

        Half a season of losing? Last I checked we’ve been hovering just outside the playoffs for quite a while now and making improvements game to game even before this recent 4 win streak. Fickle fans, so sad!

    • F5

      It’s not like Spezza just joined this team! He’s been playing a Me-first game for years. For the first 4-5 years, everyone said “He will mature. Give him time”. Well he’s 30 now and the Captain of this team and he still refuses to change his game. He is what he is and that is NOT Captain material

      • Sensnation

        Me-First? You’re talking about a guy who would rather pass off the puck then shoot! Your ability to assess players’ on-ice personalities is quite questionable.

        • Jacques

          Yeah but he passes more often to the other team!

          • Colin

            Prove it!

        • F5

          He tries to make highlight reel plays all the time. He never makes the safe play, which is what PM wants. That is a me-first player. Not sure how you don’t see that

          • Sensnation

            So PM told Spezza safe plays only and Spezza refused?

            You are assuming you know what’s actually going on between the coach and his captain. You obviously don’t understand what you are talking about.

            Spezza makes plays, that’s the nature of his game, some work some don’t, same with all elite players. But hey, this F5 fan knows best, and Spezza just refuses to do what the coach tells him haha.

  • Sensturion

    For everyone saying the fanbase is crap for saying the team is better without Spezza, check out the NHL and TSN boards. The entire NHL fanbase is saying the Sens are better without him…

    • Colin

      Is that the same NHL fanbase that said the Senators would not make the playoffs last year? It’s pretty easy to pick you spots to make your point, eh? I heard Glenn Healy say the Sens are better without Spezza. That *must* make it true! LOL!

      • Sensturion

        Do you see any mention of CBC in my comment? Neither do I.

        • Colin

          Oh come on. If Healy said it, it must be true. Once again, you pick your spot.

    • Sensnation

      The same fan base that gave up on this team less then a third into the season? Sadly, Sens fans are no better than Leafs fans or Habs fans! It’s good thing at the end of the day they are just fans and don’t influence much with the hockey team.

  • i am just saying

    Mark Stone is a NHLer,
    I have no doubt about it.
    Way too much hockey sense and strength on the puck
    not to be

    • Sensturion

      You’re just saying that…

  • aegiszx

    Like many posters have said, if Spezza is goin, then he’s goin wherever he friggin wants. And trust me, where he wants, is definitely not where the Sens want.

    • aegiszx

      Sens Trade…
      -Spezza
      -Cowen

      For Caps…
      -Karl Alzner
      - 2014 First Round Pick

      • Sensnation

        The Caps would love to hear how lowly you think of these players!

      • Jacques

        Wow , even I think that trade sucks,

    • 111010100010101010101010010101

      sitting in the Press Box during the games is ONE of the places that the coaching staff wants

      • Colin

        Do you have a link to support this claim?

        • Sensnation

          He’ll link you to his own blog, does that count?

    • Jacques

      Trade him anywhere he wants, and where they’ll take him,

      • Colin

        Do you actually have any idea how trades work? Do you continually bite off your nose to spite your face?

  • T K

    I’m just do happy that this team is firmly in the hands of Murray rather than by a consortium of the populace.

    The Leasts were run for years by a committee of owners/fans and they only got better once control was given back to hockey professionals.

    Enjoy the games…

  • Sandy

    Change of topic…

    Feel bad for the young Cdn juniors that lost in the Bronze medal game today. Proof is that you take your best players… period… Apparently a couple of the top OHL players were not taken for this tournament… Why? Other countries take their top players… so until Canada does the same… the results will stay the same.

    Team Canada for the Olympics had better take their best players… not worry about who plays with whom.. that’s why they are there… looking at your Kunitz…

    Team USA will figure that out after they miss out on medals at the Olympics.

    I have a habit of watching Sportsnews (channel 999 Rogers) occasionally. Saw a twitter there last night that said… USA hockey ‘accidentally’ told a 67 yr old BC man that he made the team.
    Now how competent is that management team…wow.. mistakes, mistakes.. embarrassment.

  • sprucesens

    I really hope gryba is not traded. Like others have said, when he hits, the other player ALWAYS feels it. A 3rd pairing of gryba-boro next year would be a stellar bruising pair. I’d sooner see PW traded, not because he is terrible, but because he has value, and ceci will be a much better player long run, and currently already is. This leaves little to no room for PW. With methot, karlsson, and cowen occupying the other spots, that leaves no room for PW. Unless we use him as the 7D to swap out for injuries and either of boro/gryba when we want more puck movement.

    Also, i know many people want spezza traded. While others will defend him to the death. Every year up until this year, i have loved spezza. While being a C makes a difference in the locker room, once you step on the ice, it makes no difference if there is a letter on your jersey or not. You have to play hard, every shift. He hasn’t done that this year at all. Sure he has 30 points, but other teams have 50 when he’s on the ice. That’s unacceptable of any team’s captain. As much as it would be nice to give him the benefit of the doubt that he has been playing injured most of the year, with hip problems, and hoping he can return to a much better form similar to 3 years ago, from a management perspective, we have to look and say, he’s 30, he has chronic back problems, he has leg problems, he has hip problems. And it will only get worse.

    He isn’t alfie, who heals at record pace’s every time. In fact, he seems to always take longer, or comes back to early, and reaggravates the injury. While spezza is probably the most talented player to wear a sens jersey, his time is likely coming to an end. He does have very good value in trade scenarios, but his NTC will be the hardest thing to work around. BM has a very difficult decision that will possibly shape this franchise for the next 8 years. Do we keep spezza and resign him for max contract, at a 6+ million dollar hit and probably higher, and hope to god he improves his play and stays healthy. Or do we trade him while he has value now, likely get 3 solid pieces, similar to what we traded for Ryan, and completely finish our rebuild, and be set with youth for the next 10 years?

    Both answers are the right answer, thats why we have such a conflicted fan base. Based on melnyk alone, i would say the team is likely to trade spezza next year at the deadline, or in this year’s offseason, as melynk won’t be willing to take the gamble on spezza with his millions of dollars, simply due to contract coming up likely with a raise, and all his injuries on melnyk’s mind, and let’s not forget the budget. I would imagine if teams are calling now about spezza’s availability, murray will be thinking long and hard on the subject.

    • Jacques

      If you trade the guy, it has to be this year and soon! IMO.

      • Colin

        Too easy…

    • Simple Jack

      I cant see spezza getting a raise, i even question if they would offer him.a long term deal, i say 4 years max at 5.5-6.5 mil per at the very max. He injury report the last several years is making re signing him a gamble if he even plays more than half the season per year.

  • aegiszx

    We absolutely need to let Phillips and Spezza go, and really signal a changing of the guard… When Murray brought Pmac on, it was a sign of change, and we’ve seen it… The culture around this team, and what Pmac has brought has been unbelievable. You can quite clearly tell that Murray idolizes and respects the Red Wings culture. You look at that team, unlike the Leafs, and all you see is “WINNING”. From the owner to gm to coaches to all the players that have gone through… a team of winners, a team and culture of individuals that understands what it takes to win year after year…

    Spezza has always been a great player, but he’s never been that elite player. Prove me wrong guys, but the fact of the matter is, he’s never ever won. He’s never won on the international stage, he’s never won on the nhl stage, as a team or as an individual. The elite players in this league have the awards, accolades, stats, and are revered.

    I’m gonna get thrashed for this, but man, this is Erik Karlsson’s team now… You guys just wait, when he comes back from Sochi with his Gold medal, he’ll be FLYING!

    • Sensnation

      Why are people always looking to rush a changing of the guard before it’s time. BM knows what he’s doing, the process happens over years not weeks, and the current “old guys” will move on when he sees the time is right. Until then, stop wishing we had a lineup like Edmonton.

      The Red Wings do not jettison their key veterans just cause they get old/injured. Hell Zetterberg and Datsyuk are two pretty injury prone players. If we want to use their recipe we have to use it 100% not just pick and choose which parts we want to apply and which we don’t.

    • Aaron 2.0

      I’d put my money on Russia for Gold. Sweedes are going to be really good too. They may be the most well rounded of the bunch.

      • Colin

        Canada is the team to beat. Tough decisions about who makes the team though.

        • Aaron 2.0

          They’re good, no question. Big ice will favor the good European teams though. It’s really a coin toss between those 3 teams, I think (Russia, Sweden, Canada). Big question mark for Canada is in net. And even though Canada has so much more depth, games are only 60 minutes. There’s not really much b/w the top lines of those 3 countries, IMO. European countries won’t have the same depth, but will rely on their top 6 F, top 4 D for more minutes. Would love to hear other thoughts / predictions from everyone!

          • Colin

            Yup. Nets is the biggest unknown for Canada. It looked like Price was regaining his form, but he was humbled by the Sens once again :-)

            Russia will be looking for a strong showing at home to make up for their poor performance in Vancouver.
            Sweden has all of the pieces to be a fierce competitor. With HL in goal, they will be a tough out.

          • Sensnation

            I think Sweden has to be the favorite, their strengths are made for the big ice. Lundqvist may also still be the best goalie in the world though his season has been a bit tough.

            Canada will have the best all around team and as you said we will have depth. I hope we go with best players and ignore the US strategy which will likely fall flat on it’s face.

            Russians will be motivated and that’s a scary thought as their individual skills are out of this world.

        • Sandy

          I think goaltending will be the difference this year. Most of the top teams.. Cdn, Rus, Swe & US will have elite forwards.. but if you don’t have the goaltending… then it doesn’t matter….

          • Sensnation

            Completely agree Sandy, and whichever goalie is hottest in Feb could win the whole thing for his country. The story about the USA Olympic selection team made it clear how much goaltending is valued for this tournament. Best goaltenders period, don’t worry about chemistry. Fortunately in Canada we have some pretty good goaltenders who are also class act team players like Price, Luongo et al.

    • Sandy

      Maybe it doesn’t count in your books… but he was on the Cdn team that won the Spengler Cup last year…

      • Richard Gough

        How did he do in the Spengler Cup ?
        A tournament to means nothing

        • Colin

          You could look it up, but why start now. Making ignorant assumptions is what being a fan is all about.

        • Sandy

          aegiszx — said he never one internationally… but he did.. so that statement was not quite true.
          The Spengler Cup is one of the oldest tournaments in the world.. So it may not be anything special to you… but it is to the players..
          I don’t, however, know his personal stats… He was on the winning team.. so he has won internationally.

      • Jacques

        Please, an NHL lineup playing against Swiss league scrubs! That was a real sham!

    • SenaTHOR

      Hopefully he will also play some decent defense.

  • sprucesens

    interesting, eklund saying that he has a few sources that say they would be surprised if E. Kane is still a Jet by the olympics. And that they want a lot, and will get a lot. Kings canadiens and sabres are in on him. I don’t see a fit with any of those teams. Mostly for them having the pieces to send back to winnipeg. Likely would cost us too much to get in on though.

    • Sensnation

      E Kane has the chance to be a very special player if he can mature a bit.

      I remember hearing Buffalo may be willing to move Miller in that deal at one point. Not sure if that still stands.

  • SenaTHOR

    E Kane has some serious attitude issues. Is that what this team needs? He is a me not we player.

    • Jacques

      We heard the same thing about TUrris, PMac would get that kid buying in!

  • Sensnation

    All this Olympic team talk is making me curious where everyone is with their roster predictions. Only a couple days away!

    Orientation camp roster – http://www.tsn.ca/canadian_hockey/feature/?id=1131
    NHL Canadian Players stats – http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/nationality/active-canadian-nhl-players-2013-14-stats.html

    Forwards
    Crosby, Tavares, Toews, Getzlaf, Bergeron
    Stamkos, Perry, Sharp, Neal, St Louis, Hall, Duchene, Giroux, Seguin

    Defense
    Weber, Keith, Seabrook, Pietrangelo, Doughty, Bouwmeester, Subban, Letang

    Goaltenders
    Price, Luongo, Smith

    - We keep hearing Kunitz, but I would rather see Eberle, Seguin or Benn get that last spot. Would even leave Bergeron home if Stamkos is healthy to be able to bring 2 of them.
    - I can’t leave Subban off this team, I sure hope Yzerman agrees. Even if he’s the extra guy in case a Doughty, Weber or Pietrangelo get injured.

    Who do you all expect to make it? Any darkhorses off most people’s radars?