Game Day- Senators Visit City of Brotherly Love

SensChirp November 19, 2013 461
Game Day- Senators Visit City of Brotherly Love

The Ottawa Senators have had a couple days to think about exactly what went wrong during a disastrous performance on Sunday afternoon against the Columbus Blue Jackets.  They’ll look to correct that lengthy list of mistakes when they visit Claude Giroux and the surging Philadelphia Flyers.

These two teams met just one week ago and it was probably one of the worst games the Senators have played in years.  The Flyers stormed out to an early lead that night and did not let up.  When the final buzzer sounded, the scoreboard read an embarrassing 5-0 in favour of the visitors from Philadelphia.  It was one of the most embarrassing home ice losses in recent memory and one the Sens should be eager to avenge.

After a slow start, the Flyers are starting to turn things around as of late.  Since the much talked about game against the Washington Capitals, the Flyers have gone on a bit of a run, picking up at least a point in six of seven games.  The last time these two teams met the Senators may have been guilty of taking the Flyers lightly. That should not be a problem this time around.

The Senators were on the ice for practice yesterday and went with the same combinations as the other night vs. Columbus.  Chris Phillips missed the skate with what the team is calling a touch of the flu but he is expected to be in the line up.  No other changes expected for the Senators but we should know the final line up after this morning’s skate.  Here is how the lined up at yesterday’s practice.

(UPDATE 10:55 AM)- Robin Lehner is expected to get the start for the Senators.  Looks like the Flyers will go with Steve Mason.

Michalek-Spezza-Conacher
MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
Greening-Smith-Neil
Zibanejad-Grant-Condra

Methot-Karlsson
Borowiecki-Phillips
Cowen-Gryba

Will add the up to date line up following the morning skate.

The Daily Chirp-  Rumours are still swirling around this team and with good reason. It has been a disappointing start to the season for the Senators and Bryan Murray is actively looking for a deal that can spark his team.  The problem is he has to do so with a fairly limited internal budget and he has two pretty apparent needs- a top four defenceman and a top six forward to play with Spezza.  Last night, Don Brennan suggested that the Senators have spoken to the Sharks about Martin Havlat.  An interesting option and likely one that wouldn’t cost a whole lot but that extra year remaining on his contract likely scares the Senators a little bit. One thing I know for certain is that the Sens and Oilers are talking deal right now. No names unfortunately but if Havlat really is someone the Senators are interested in, then I would assume Ales Hemsky is as well.

  • Sens-fan-in-mtl

    BM had better go with Lehner…or else I am seriously going to lose it

    • boom

      I may be mistaken, but i think it was Chirp who made reference to “the definition of insanity is doing the same thing again and again and expecting a different result”?

      At any rate, MacLean going with the same lines that did absolutely nothing in the previous game makes him a candidate for the lonney bin, doesn’t it?

      If you are going to reply, that’s your right, but don’t come back with the usual
      “In Pmac we trust” drivel, please.

      • Miguel

        Boom I made that reference, and not to say that I have lost my faith in PM, but just as you have mentioned, how on God’s earth can you put out that same lineup as the Columbus game, that was ineffective, disjointed, and most of all, seemingly careless and unmortivated, and then expect a different result. Insane?
        Maybe not, but it if this is not a sign of him losing it, I am not sure what is. He is begging for some help from management, and by doing this, he is saying to BM feels that this unproductive group, is the best he can do right now.
        Let us hope they get this wake up call for these guys, if not we are in for a hell of a long season

      • NickofTime

        With Boroweicki called up they now have a 23 man roster which is why they are going with the same lineup. Unless they send someone down to Bingo or waive Corvo which I wish they would do they have the same guys & can’t add anyone else. Would love to see Stone called up soon.

    • Tooks

      Yeah no kidding, back to Andy would just prove his Jack Adams was a direct results of the players/goalies winning it for him.

  • PraiseAlfie11

    Love Havlat and all, but he’s injured way too often. I think he has one full season with no injuries?

  • Tooks

    After the CBJ disaster, I thought I would keep it cool and not come on here to add to the fire, everyone already knows this team is bad right now. So I havent even looked in the last 2 topics, haha, sorry SC, the hit count went down I know.

    Anyways, Lehner in tonight we have more than a fighting chance to win this one. We can maybe get a win if Lehner stops 50 and we squeeze 2 by Emery…

    As for Havlat….NO! He’s another Michalek, could you imagine a line of Michalek Spezza Havlat….Spezza would be playing with 2 ghosts! We would probably be #1 in man games lost tho!

    • boom

      Not only that (altough I like Havlat more than Michalek), but all we have heard (and repeated on this site) over the last two years is how well the Sens have drafted, and all of our depth. It would send a contrary message if we trade for someone who USED TO BE a top 6 forward for us, rather than call up one of oir supposed prize prospects.

  • Sicilian

    Too many blog posts that contain, “…a couple days to think about exactly what went wrong during a disastrous performance on…”
    *sigh*
    C’mon Sens, let’s turn this season in the right direction

  • Tooks

    Still nothing from the League on the elbow to Ryan? did they even get to review it? I usually side with the League in all matters like this but to not even review it? It was a clear elbow to the face?

    • iKarly65

      http://www.tsn.ca/blogs/kerry_fraser/?id=436906

      “I can assure you that the committee did review the play from all angles and determined the elbow delivered to the chin of Bobby Ryan did not warrant special attention. In this instance, I concur with their finding. Let me share some of the reasons why.”

      “This was clearly a missed elbowing penalty by the referee. As a result of the apparent injury sustained to the head of Bobby Ryan, a major penalty and automatic game misconduct should have been assessed toDennis Seidenberg of the Boston Bruins.”

      • Sandy

        Bullshit.

  • Jacques

    I looked at video Of that Philip Larsen kid rumoured to be in on a trade with Edmonton and this Danish Kid looks like another Karlsson – shoots right also. I think he’s a little more polished defensively.

  • iKarly65

    If a trade is to be made, you have to think it’s going to be with a bottom team. Not too many top teams are going to shake things up.

    SJ would off load Havlat though, because he’s old, injured, and expensive for a guy that is too inconsistent.

    On D, Buffalo’s Christian Ehrhoff isn’t looking that bad right now. His contract is declining now since it was front loaded, and the cap hit is a relatively affordable $4M. But more importantly, the salary is going down ($4M for the next 4 years.

    Having a long contract could be good – you know that if he’s playing well he’s locked in. But bad if he’s not playing well and can’t be moved.

    Versteeg would have been a good acquisition. Missed the boat on that one.

  • senate19

    Okay, I really want to see Lehner and Emery playing tonight. It would be awesome, and I can totally see them skating to center ice to go at it. I want your opinions, who would win in the fight.

    I’d like to pick Lehner just due to his overall size, but we know Emery is a fighter. Not a clear cut pick for me.

    I go with Lehner though.

    • xN1Cx

      Would management not be upset with Lehner participating in a sideshow like that though? It’s no secret that they wanted much more poise out of him – which he’s shown this yeah in spades.

      Although I love the little shots he throws out when a player get’s too close – markings of a great ‘tender.

    • Doc

      Seriously? I feel like this is a troll post…

      Neither of them have anything to prove by fighting each other.

      • SensChirp

        Maybe not but it would be something to see, that’s for sure.

        • Doc

          But why, because of Keisha? I feel like this is some high school drama more than anything else lol.

          My guess is both Emery and Lehner know she’s an idiot. Hasn’t been relevant in 10 years.

      • senate19

        Not at all. Really, Emery’s girlfriend came out trying to make him feel stupid, and we know from Lehner’s time in Binghamton that he’s not afraid to stand up to anyone. Especially some punk with a reputation like Emery.

        • Doc

          I’d like to think he grew out of that. His temper is something he seems to have worked on, and his maturity in the last 2 years has grown tremendously.

          • senate19

            I really get the sense that Lehner is like Wolverine. Forgive the geek moment, but he’s just tamed his inner beast to come off as more professional.

          • Doc

            Ha! Fair enough.

            I consider him more like the Hulk.

            You don’t want to get Lehner angry. You won’t like it when he’s angry.

          • Tooks

            Yes because mature people get in feuds on Twitter…LOL
            Lehner is still as much hot tempered as he was in Bingo, Emery is not playing so it wont happen but IF Emery was playing, we all know he would lure Lehner out to fight and do you think Lehner would not accept…come on… (he would be viewed as a pussy)

  • Killadi

    ppl need to chill, its still an early season. We have 62 games left and like Stache said we have the next 10 games to decide how things will pan out and trades etc. You ppl are ludicrous and have never played any organized or professional games in your life. I truly believe in this team and its coaching staff. Yes we need a top four d and top six forward but just relax and support your team for once.

    • FBP

      Not true. I participated in a Euchre tournament at the family cottage Thanksgiving ’95. It was quite organized. I won a pile of pretzels and M&M’s.

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      It might be too late by then. The Senators are on pace for 82 points. You’ll probably need low 90s to qualify for a top 3 seed in the division and around 86-90 for a wild card spot. The team really, really needs to get a 4-5 game winning streak together. .500 hockey will put the Sens as a bubble team, depending on others to lose for us to make it, and that’s not a tenable positon.
      TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Alcatraz

      I agree and disagree
      2pts now are worth the same 2pts in march. Yes there are 62 games left, but if we want to make playoffs, and “contend” a little to wina series or two, we need to start distancing ourselves from the poor teams. We haven’t done that, and sample sizes are starting to grow. We can’t keep saying its early, its early etc
      We need to produce now. In the end if you want to keep thinking this way, you will be the one real sad and devastated when we get eliminated with 2 weeks to go in reg season

      • Jacques

        I agree when you are unable to make adjustments over a long period you have a personnel problem. Sens have to make a change – another able puck mover on D and a top line forward. Sorry to say but this will cost us Andy most probably in a package of some sort.

        • Tooks

          Who cares we have Lehner, who is on the verge of starting anyways, possibly next year or the year after, So losing Andy aint a big deal really. The more it becomes apparent that Andy is the one struggling (yes our D sucks too) his value will drop, and it probably already has. To retain is value his SV% needs to be much higher, he’s hovering around .900, which is average at best. Lehner’s is skyhigh .948 with the same D.

    • boom

      And there’s the winner!!!

      I always love it , and was waiting for someone like come on to argue, and lead with the self-important, arrogant premise that no one else has ever played this sport before at any high level “You ppl are ludicrous and have never played any organized or professional games in your life”

      So, just because our opinion is contrary to yours, we must all be non-athletic
      couch-bound losers, and you are the only exception.
      Get off your high horse.

    • Tooks

      You cant wait to have half the season over before making changes, they got to happen now or soon. Cant wait for a quarter of the season to pass by… So your saying by the 30-40 game mark, we will know if we need to make changes or not?

      Kinda obvious we have to now at 20, playing another 10 games with this squad is just points we wont get back.

      • Killadi

        We are 7-2-1 against teams from the East, we had a bad schedule at the start of the season against very good Western team that have played together for a long time. Our team has a lot of new players and Grant and Mika has not played with the team that much this season.

        With that said, I think we do need top 6 winger to play with Spezz and a puck moving defeneceman to replace Gonchar. Weircoch has not performed to expectation and did well when he had sheltered minutes last season and he needs another season to mold into become a top four defenceman.

  • Harry

    Why not go after another former Senator instead? Inquire with Chicago about Marian Hossa. He is getting older (34 I believe!) but still producing. Chicago might be be willing to do it depending on the return.

    Oh and Keisha Chante is an idiot…

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Hossa will never be in a Sens Jersey again…. Unfortunately bridge burnt to a crisp

      • Doc

        Although I agree we won’t see him in a Sens jersey (Chicago won’t trade him), I seriously doubt that the bridge was burnt, seeing as that management is long gone.

        • s3nsfan

          I know everyone hates what if’s but seriously WHAT if, the sens had never traded Hossa for Heatley.

          What a much better all around player Hossa is than Heatley

          John Muckler, I hate you

          • Doc

            Sadness…

          • The Apostle

            Everyone judges Heatley’s time with the Senators by how it ended – which indeed was abysmal. I wouldn’t have thought it was too easy to forget that heatley was part of the best line in hockey (for a while) whilst he was here and he was a prime reason we were able to get to the finals.

            I still think Heatley was a giant tool for how he handled himself during the final few months with the team but I’m not convinced Hossa over him would have been the piece to get us to beat Anaheim – we were totally physically outmatched in that series.

          • Tooks

            Yes last time I checked Hossa never had 50 goals…Plus he does alot of flyby’s, not the most physical player and certainly not at his age now.

          • s3nsfan

            As I agree that Hossa is definitely a much better player than Heatley, and may not have solely caused a victory over the Ducks however, that being said, had Hossa not been traded in a sign and trade, Chara might have still been here as well and those two might have contributed more than Priessing and Corvo.

          • Sandy

            I’ve been saying that for years.
            If that trade never happened.. and Muckler was not ever GM of the Sens.. then both Hossa & Chara may still be in a Sens uniform and a banner in the rafters would designate the Sens as a Cup champ..
            Just my opinion however.

  • Peluso

    Anderson riding the pine. Does Lehner give the beat down to Emery, or does Mason hit the nets?

  • FBP

    Sweet. Lehner! If we win tonight we might have an actual goalie controversy.

    • Tooks

      And you think getting into the show with this team, with the Condra’s, Greening’s and Michalek’s that we will be a force?

      IF we make the playoff (we wont if we dont change fast) its gonna be a first round exit. In 20 games we have shown that we cannot compete on a daily basis in the NHL. Playoffs are much tougher and faster, I can only imagine what the outcome will be.

      Its all nice and rosy to say “Hey with all of our terrible play, were still in the playoffs” but that doesnt change the fact that we wont win in the playoffs if we keep playing this way..

  • SensChirp

    Is it worth looking at a comment section more like the old one? This one allows direct replies which makes for a more organized but sometimes less integrated comment section.

    Interested to hear what people think of the current format now that everyone has had time to adjust. I’ve noticed that comments during the game are up but it’s fairly quiet during the day.

    Anything you’d like to see changed? Added? Talking to both regular posters and lurkers. Feedback is much appreciated!

    • Doc

      Keep is as is. I like the reply feature, as you don’t have to look through all the comments to follow a conversation.

      The old one was all over the place. This is more neat and organised.

      • Colin

        Agreed

      • xN1Cx

        Agree with this, I like the new layout much better. Although, the right alignment on mobile is kind of annoying.

    • FBP

      I would prefer something more in line with the old comment section. I often don’t see all the replies as they show up way down the page. Disqus also seems to update irregularly, placing older comments above newer.

      • SensChirp

        Think it’s only doing that when there are direct replies though. Otherwise the new comment appears at the top. Last comment section kind of read like a story whereas this one is more like a conversation.

    • Jacques

      I like the old one better – read like a book was fun from top to bottom.

    • my2sens

      I think both are good.

      I enjoy the new site as it is organized better and easier to view replies based on the first comment.

      That being said, someone can post a great comment worthy of further discussion and when people do reply, it can get lost at the bottom of the page and die a lot quicker than it would have in the old forum.

      It is a tricky balance for sure…

      Is there a way that when someone replies to a comment, that it would then get bumped back to the top no matter how old the original comment is? That would be the best solution I think.

      • Miguel

        i think this comment by my2sens sums it up pretty well.
        bothhave pros and cons, but as it mentions, some great conversation pieces will only be noticed by those people directly involved in that section, many others will only look to the new comments.
        I do try to go to all of the new comments posted, and will add input where I feel I can.
        Chirp thanks for the great work, and the fact that you are always keen on getting feedback from you chirpers further proves you worth,
        Great job chirp

        • my2sens

          Exactly. Although I make an effort to scroll through to view most recent replies, sometimes I just have the time or patience and simply read the most recent.

          When you take your time and scroll through, you can certainly see that there are some great comments being shadowed.

          All that being said – to mirror Miguel – you are doing a fantastic job SC!

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Hate the new layout from a cell.. It looks horrible and is verging on impossible to follow

      • SensChirp

        This, I agree with. The way it aligns to the right is very annoying. Working on finding a way around that.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Other than that I don’t in it, figuring out the new comment thing.

    • Pasky

      Yea as mentioned below, it sucks on a mobile since replies are offset to the right. By the 3rd reply, you’re basically reading one word per line.

      • Doc

        To be honest, I dislike reading blogs on mobile in general. Is this something a lot of you do?

        I think I just hate being on my phone when out and about. So having a mobile version is not something I desperately need.

        • my2sens

          I would agree – I rarely use my phone to read blogs… only at work/home on large screens.

    • hq8

      i think its quieter now during the day because people are just frustrated with the team. nearly everyone had high hopes along with a majority of pundits pinning the sens to dominate this year.
      an idea, based on Friedman’s 30 thoughts: maybe sens should look at adding to their coaching staff by bringing in Craig Ramsay – worked wonders with the Boston D.

    • ProudSens

      Hey Chirp, I would like to see a comment number after each post so I can come back latter and read where I left off. GSG

    • ZibbyFan

      This definitely works.

    • runningbear1974

      I wouldn’t mind a section per player, so can go there for a rant without having to disturb everyone else… you know, for bad day…

    • myteam65

      Think I liked the old comment section better, but do appreciate that you’re trying to modernize.

      I tend to like the grouped comments the first time I read the comment section after each post, but generally dislike them when returning to the site to read more comments later in the day. When you come back to the site, you either miss stuff or you have to re-read everything, because the replies aren’t in chronological order.

      I’d also like to see the return of the “quote” feature, since I think it led to some good comments that weren’t necessarily direct replies… I think people often just had their own ideas on a given subject that were helped along/ brought out by previous comments.

      Last thing – I think it would be good if some of the white space between the lines/comments could be reduced and if more comments were displayed without having to “load more comments”.

    • Conor_smythe

      When im using my phone and replying to a comment the comment box is reeeeally small… especially when replying to a reply. If its 3 replies deep, the box is so skinny it doesn’t even fit 1 word and screws up most words

      If Im On my computer I like this new style better. On my phone, it sucks

    • ProbablyNot11

      I like the new format, keeps things more organized.

    • The Apostle

      I kind of miss the old one but one big improvement now is the direct rply funtion. If you don’t visit the site often (IF NOT WHY NOT says Chirp) then you might wish to reply to a post only to find on further reading that 5 or 6 people have already done so.

      The new site allows you to more easily skip conversations that you don’t find of interest and avoids too much unnecessary repetition.

  • my2sens

    Happy to see Lehner in nets tonight, the boys seem to play better in front of him.

    That being said. I hate to see what is going to happen to Anderson’s confidence seeing as he is our number 1.

    With all the trade talk/rumours, the only change I would like to see to the Sens right now, is to fire our PP coach.

    If we can retool our PP and bring up the right mix from Bingo, we will be set.

    • Doc

      Although it will be good to see Lehner in net, it won’t change anything if the boys are playing like crap. It’s not on Andy to score or get the puck outside the zone.

      Seriously, what happened to our breakouts? Horrible now…

      • Tooks

        Yeah no kidding, our breakout seems to consist of our D men just clearing the zone off the glass or wherever they can without even looking for a pass. Its a turnover everytime, its like the forwards dont even exist. Clear the puck and hope somebody in the neutral zone picks it up…

    • Alcatraz

      Our PP is actually 2nd on the road. We have played more on road then at home so thats encouraging. I think they try to get to fancy at home.

  • Zakary

    This budget talk is getting old shirp don’t need to remind us every day!
    Melnyk did say that if Murray came to him and needed to get another player that he had the ok

    • my2sens

      Shirp?

      • Zakary

        Senschirp

  • Alcatraz

    Del Zotto keeps being a healthy Scratch in NYR. Anyone here like to see Ottawa make a play for him? Surely he is an upgrade on Corvo/Gryba/Phillips?? I think he could be a fine 3rd pairing guy along with Cowen/PW46

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Pierre Lebrun says the Sens are looking for a puck moving defenseman…. yet Paul Maclean decides to scratch Patrick Wiercioch and Joe Corvo every game, two puck moving defensemen, sooo…………………

    • CohMa

      I think puck-moving and puck-giving-awaying are two different things….. I both are defensive liabilities and neither has been moving the puck very well….

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        Corvo’s been fine this season. He deserves some ice time.

        • Tooks

          And yes, Corvo has done no wrong while he has played. Moves the puck fast and doesnt get into trouble like Cowen does.

      • Tooks

        But Cowen, who cant move the puck and is a major liability defensively as a defensive Dman to boot. Gets to stay in and stink it up badly?

        PW46 has been better defensively than Cowen, he can atleast move the puck and doesnt give it away in the middle of our own zone…

        • jasonontheoldsenschirp

          Ya Cowen’s been waay worse than Weircioch. Mac should give the guys he has on the team a chance before the team goes about trading guys thinking it’s going to make a significant difference.

          I think a lot of Mac’s decisions this season have been bad to be honest.

        • senate19

          Tooks I’d like to know why you think they play Cowen so much, even though it’s terrible? Why don’t they bench him? Afraid of looking stupid for giving him the contract? Trying to increase his value for a trade?

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    And to be honest, I don’t think this team “needs” anything. We have plenty of talent in this organization. I’m not against a shake up trade, but I don’t think our personnel is the problem. The guys are good enough to compete with the best and win games in this league.

    The problem has been a consistent effort [which we saw from an injury riddled group last season], and of course terrible coaching up to this point.

  • NickofTime

    Isn’t it kind of weird that of all the players we hear about that could be available most of them are Czech? I’ve posted since the beginning of the yr that BM should go after Fleischmann since IMO he is the best top six forward that could be available. Hemsky it has been rumoured has been available for the last two yrs as has Vrbata in Phoenix (Fleischmann too) & now we read Havlat could also be available. Anyone of these guys would be a good fit except Havlat who is always injured. Vrbata could be the best choice for Ottawa since he makes the least of these guys & may not cost as much as the rest & has almost as many pts as any of them. But first they should try Stone with Spezza & Michalek.
    I wonder if BM would consider a two player deal with a team to fill both needs at least temporarily for this yr but I doubt Ottawa can afford it due to their financially strapped owner’s internal budget. They may also not have the assets another team might want or they be willing to give up. I would only trade any of these roster players Condra, Conacher, Corvo or Phillips & any prospects except Stone, Ceci, Robinson or Dreidger.

  • Godless_Lawyer

    Havlat is a likely buyout candidate for the Sharks, so it’s possible that the Sens could get him for very little and possibly even on a retained salary transaction. However, Havlat’s injury problems are well known and he seems to have regressed quite a bit from the point a game form he once had over the last two or three seasons. He’s played in only 8 games for the sharks and has only two points to show for it. Hemsky’s probably the better player, but he’s also likely to be more expensive in terms of assets and salary. He’s on an expiring contract, so if the oilers were willing to part with him for nothing they could just let him walk – they have no need to retain salary or give him away for nothing, and he could be worth even more at the deadline than he is now so the only way you get him is if you overpay.

  • hq8

    complains about budget are getting old now. Melnyk’s the owner, let him own the team. also, first atleast sell the CTC out enough times. but then again, you cant blame fans in ottawa not selling it out either. i know i wouldnt be too willing to buy tickets and endure shit traffic for a very very shitty and demoralizing display of hockey. it feels like a time-waste and confidence-reducing enough to watch it on NHL-GC. its after all a business and it needs to provide a minimum degree of entertainment for enough fans to spend their dollars to make it a sellout. core fans alone cant make it happen for the sens. thats true for every team. right now, sens hockey is not even entertaining for themselves, let alone for someone watching it.
    secondly, if anyone thinks a trade will fix anything for the sens, good luck. noone is going to give the sens a respectable top 4D because, quite simply, there is NONE available. there may be used project pieces available but dont the sens already sort of have that right now? you look around the league, there is no team with a top 4D blueliner who is subject to rumors – except for Ottawa.
    third – can this coaching staff grow a pair and bench someone damnit? they get blown out twice in three games, but they still stick with the same combos. why is cowen still playing? sits out camp, proceeds to slump completely andddd guess what still gets to play.

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      Post of the day.

      I too am getting sick and tired of what this coaching staff is doing.

    • TheGoldenTrout

      I’ll probably get blown up for this, but what the heck!
      If Ottawa is talking with Edmonton and I imagine a lot of people probably are, I hope the discussion isn’t revolving around Hemsky. The only way that would happen IMO is if Michalek was going the other way for $ reasons and quite frankly I don’t see any benefit to either team in that scenario.
      I could, however, see the potential of Ottawa talking to Edmonton about Yakupov for Cowen. I’m a fan of big d-men but I have a bad feeling about Cowen’s upside. His game should be based on physicality and that is something you cannot teach to an unwilling student. I’d prefer to see Cowen taking dumb penalties for roughing, elbowing, etc rather than the timid game he plays with a big frame. He should be paying very close attention to Borowiecki’s game if he ever wants to develop into a top end d-man. He doesn’t show any interest in a true physical game. I know he will rack up 4 or 5 hits a night but they are “bumps” rather than solid “hits”.
      I’m not a particular fan of Yakupov or the Russian players in general, but it may be a deal that appeals to both sides. Edmonton definitely needs help on the backend and Ottawa needs a top 6.
      Its not a deal I would do myself, but it does potentially fit.

      • Tooks

        I totally agree, Yakupov had a great season as a rookie last year, nobody was saying he’s gonna defect or he was a selfish player then. What happened you ask? Dallas Eakins (defensive minded coach), is it that hard to fathom that maybe Eakins doesnt like Yakupov, that he plays him in the bottom 6 regularly and very limited PP time.

        Even the panel thinks Eakins is handling this poorly and that he is the next coach on the hot seat., Yak needs to be in the top 6, especially after last year with Krueger.
        I already said he wouldnt fit well in Ottawa cuz we have a defense first mentality and try to force all of our players into great 2 way players. But IF Ottawa were to get Yak and let him play purely offense with Spezza, that could turn out to mirror Turris-Ryan or if you want to cover his defensive game, put Yak with Turris and Mac, Ryan back up with Spezza and Conacher/Michalek.

        I also am very skeptical of Cowen’s end game. I think he has reached it, he aint gonna get any faster, he aint gonna hit any harder, he’s not a good shot blocker, he’s not a puck mover…

        • hq8

          i dont think ottawa is a defense first team, their record to start the season is screaming out loud to prove that.

          • Tooks

            Our defense sucks, but it doesnt mean we are not a defense first team. When we get hammered, what do we do? We fall into a defensive shell. We defend, defend, defend, we dont focus on attacking. We try and hold out defensively on 2-1 games or in tight games its all defensive minded hockey.

      • Godless_Lawyer

        I don’t think Edmonton would do Yak for Cow straight up.

      • Sandy

        I wouldn’t touch Yakupov with a 10 ft pole. This team needs players that play a 200 ft game. The kid has skill.. not going to deny that.
        But when you are carrying the puck into the offensive zone and a D comes at you to hit you.. you don’t leave the puck and jump out of the way..

        • Tooks

          Well he was lucky enough to get out of the way after the suicide pass, its that or end up like Lars Eller…no thx.

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      Disagree on the Melnyk stuff, by not spending he is hamstringing the team and keeping them average/mediocre, which will keep us out of the playoff race or on the bubble.
      As for D, John-Michael Liles is playing for the AHL Leafs. He’s a decent puckmover, decent defensively and they’d probably take a 2nd or 3rd round pick for him. Smid got moved as well.
      Agree on the coaching staff but this team is a bunch of…I’ll be polite and say girl scouts, if you criticize them they start crying and reaching for their dollies. I would have sat Michalek or Phillips or even Neil (dumb penalties all the time, better lately) ages ago.

  • Millennium

    If the likes of Hemsky and Havlat are the best trade options out there, then don’t even bother. Bring up Hoffman.

  • my2sens

    And if we are to trade… I don’t want to go near Sharks or Blue Jackets.

    • Godless_Lawyer

      Leclaire was a bust, but previous trades with the BJs have netted us Methot and Lehner.

      • The Apostle

        It was the trade for LeClaire that netted us Lehner even if was just Vermetter for Lehner I think we ended up doing just fine.

  • hq8

    also, on this top 6 ‘need’ all of a sudden now. so a little fact-check time, starting with the latest:
    1. Maclean, just yesterday, responded that the sens have scored enough goals over 20 games to win give themselves chances of winning. so surely, the coach doesnt feel the need for a top 6. and yea, he named MM9 as a top 6 forward for the sens for all the michalek haters. oh and he mentioned conacher and Zib as rotating 6th top6 forwards. so all these Havlat and Hemsky rumors, definitely not reaching Maclean I guess.
    2. werent the sens done with their top 6 search for now after getting Ryan and signing Macarthur? they certainly gave that impression going into camp.
    on top 4D:
    this is going to be a tough one to solve. the prime reason is that the sens projected and believed in the group they were going with. they had the pundits believing and they had the fans believing. hell, people were panicking when Cowen’s signing was dragging. so, in terms of trade, the sens are in a weak position. the sens want a piece (top 4D) that really no other team wants to give up right now – every team actually wants one more if you come down to it. and every team will want pieces the sens definitely dont want to give up.

    • Doc

      Agreed. Goals are not our biggest need. Keeping the puck out of our D zone, in turn our net, is what they should focus on.

      The younger guys on D just aren’t cutting it.

    • Miguel

      yes MacAruther and Ryan both went to help Turris, and again Spezza is left on his own. For anyone who has been watching this year, MM9 has looked awful. He is a shadow of the previous player he was with us.
      MM9 had top end NHL speed – this, so far this year,this is non existant.
      – without that speed, he has lost his biggest threat
      – MM9 was fearless when driving the net – this too is non existant this year
      – MM9 was a force in the corner, winning 80% of his battles, this year more than half the times he goes into a corner he ends up on his butt.
      Most of this surely can go to his knee injury and trying to get back to where he was, but in the meantime, you hurting Spezza, and putting too much pressure on MM9. IMO

  • Captain Nitpicker

    I find it “interesting” that Kassian is not playing against the Flyers in Philadelphia

  • Captain Nitpicker

    What ever happened to Jim O’Brien ?
    He’s NEVER mentioned in any “we should call so-and-so” posts

    • Tooks

      Jimmy O is dead to Maclean! :)

    • SensChirp

      Jim O’Brien is going to go down as one of the strangest first round picks in the history of this franchise. Not just where he was drafted but also how he was handled, his time in the NHL and ultimately the mysterious way he completely fell out of favour with the organization. So weird.

      • SensChirp

        Doesn’t help that he has been hurt this season and when he did play, was pretty awful. One goal, zero assists in 8 games. Just 12 shots on goal.

        • JBL11

          And wasn’t his 1 goal an empty-netter? eeesh…

        • hq8

          when an organization dumps on you the way the sens dumped on O’Brien, its hard to stay motivated lol.
          wasnt this guy supposed to replace Mike Fisher and be a solid 3C for the sens?
          oh wait, the sens still want to try Zibanejad there……
          i think part of the problem stems from the indecision the sens coaching staff is displaying with a large group of players: Zib, Conacher, PW46, Gryba, Corvo and then the indecision they are showing in terms of combinations: spezza’s line, the fourth line, all the d-pairings. i think thats too many variables and when you have too many variables, you have inconsistency. and it shows:
          1. spezza’s produced, but has been made to look shit at times due to yo-yo-ing linemates.
          2. the fourth line is basically a blend of whoever cant fit on the three lines ahead. its also the place where Mika Zibanejad resides between his top 6 role and bingo.
          3. the defense, we have seen everything. i hope we have seen everything because its been pretty bad. any worse than this is going to be new low.

      • Tooks

        In other words, he’s a bust and a terrible draft pick by Murray. When you think about it we could of had P.K. Subban or Simmonds…

        • SensChirp

          Tough to blame that one on Murray. Even though Muckler was gone, that pick a leftover from the Muckler era. Hadn’t Murray been on the job for a couple weeks?

          • Alcatraz

            Pretty much. Muckler fired right after SCF, so between SCF and the draft is when the change happened. Also I have a hard time calling anyone a “bust” after the top 20 picks. So much of a crapshoot

            The one thing I will say is it was pretty clear O’Brien wouldn’t pan out because at the time in College it wasn’t known whether or not he would be a Dman or a Centre

      • Mat

        I would add Brian Lee to that list.

      • Miguel

        Chirp I have been saying this for quite some time, and pretending nothing has happened by the Sens brass only makes it all that more mysterious.
        lets face it, there are two groups of players in this organization.
        Those that are pampered by the Brass, and those that are shit upon in this brass.
        Even today this exists.
        Cowen has deserved more than his fair share of the press box, yet he never misses a shift.
        Gryba, PW46, make some mistakes, and they are yanked without any hesitation
        up front, Zibby is bounced around all over the place, when he makes mistakes, yet Greening goes 20 games barely missing a shift,,, and may as well have been on the bench, as his numbers would still be about the same.
        Phillips sucks badly on the PP, yet he is constantly out there, I would have 5 other dmen out there over him,
        he has struggled at many points this year yet he never seems to be concerned about taking a seat.
        Perhaps this may be some of the cause of many of the players lack of motivation, I am sure many would welcome a change of scenery.

  • hq8

    should the sens have picked Nick Leddy instead of cowen? BM sure wont be complaing about puck movement right now ……just like he was in 2008!!!!

  • Tony

    Hmmm… Grabner is a healthy scratch today… now that is someone I’d like to round out our top 6 with…

  • iKarly65

    Drew Stafford anyone?

  • MikeS

    Random thought: Do you think the sens should have done zibby+noesen+second for ryan instead of silf/noesen/1st? I think currently it would have been better deal for the sens but in the longrun no.

    • Millennium

      It will be years before we can accurately say if that would have been a better deal or not.

    • The Apostle

      What makes you think the Ducks would have accepted it? For all we know it was offered and the Ducks said we want wingers.

      It’s not like Ottawa was the only team with a say.

      • MikeS

        I think when the deal went through, they wanted zibby deal but murry said no and gave them silf+better pick

  • Sandy

    Blast from the past = a guy that has a lot of speed. Good defensive player and very good on the PK.. Can play centre or wing..
    Not sure he is available… it’s Antoine Vermette..
    Great to see Lehner in net.. hoping for a win. That means Andy plays tomorrow against Minny. Sens need to win that one. I don’t want to see any type of win for Heatley or Cooke..
    Many have said that the lineup against Columbus was terrible. It was basically the same lineup (switch out Condra for Kassian) that beat the Bruins..
    It’s a Jekyll & Hyde season for the Sens this year. They have been terrible some nights.. and very good for a ‘few’ others…

    Which team shows up tonight?
    At some point.. they are going to have to play desperate hockey.. They have to keep up to the teams in front of them.
    Tor plays the Isles tonight.. with Poulin in net for the Isles (Nabokov hurt)… Should be an easy win for the Leafs.
    Mtl is in tough against Minny and their goalie Harding with the best stats in the NHL in net..
    Detroit plays Nashville… who other than 1 game against the Hawks — can’t score.. Detroit wins.
    Boston & the Rangers.. Rask vs Lundqvist.. that could be a very good game…

    • my2sens

      Don’t forget TO has 3 of their top centres out… unless Kadri is back from suspension… so they could have a little trouble.

      • hq8

        no Kadri is out one more. i think NYI is going to put toronto through the ringer tonight. btw, dont know much about the Holland kid, but quite the deal for Toronto to now basically hold two top 20 picks from 2009 in both Kadri and Holland – both centres too.
        wake up Murray!!!

        • Tooks

          I agree that was a great move by the LEafs, they needed to do something and they did…while we sit and play idle game or hoping our underachievers suddenly start to overachieve.

  • FBP

    I’m starting to think there might not be trade before the next game.

    • hq8

      haha, there might not be a trade for quite some time.

  • Miguel

    if they wanted someone who could play top 4 minutes, all they had to do was keep Andre Benoit, instead of letting him go, and signing Corvo.
    Hindsight this was a bad move

    • hq8

      yes but he wanted a one-way with term i think. sens had already given one to PW46 and the second reserved one was for Cowen. ofcourse they cant dump their draft picks versus Benoit who is coming through the AHL journey. Corvo i think was cheaper than Benoit in the end. even if the sens kept him, I can guarantee you that Maclean would scratch him more games than not unless injury forced his hand. sens coaching has been quite frankly sloppy with its lineup decisions. i dont think there is any sugar coating that fact anymore. also, dont forget-and a lot of people seem to be overlooking this- the sens firmly believed in the group they were going with. I dont think defense was a worry for anyone, especially based on last season’s numbers. the disaster on defense has been totally surprising and shocking and something noone saw coming. even now i think there is underlying hope that the defense will return to its past performance, but i think thats eroding. seems like we were enjoying Andy’s peak years more than anything along with Lehner and Bishop intensely fighting for position. I think today’s Lehner start speaks volumes, especially with no other lineup change. Basically, Maclean doesnt believe Andy can redeem himself of the 5-0 slap-in-the-face from two games ago.

    • Sens-fan-in-mtl

      agreed, and both are the same 900k salary and cap hit. I really liked
      AB, he was really solid when called upon last year – nothing fancy, just
      got the job done.

      Doing quite well for the Avs and logs about 20 minutes per game this year….too bad.

    • The Apostle

      My thoughts are that benoit left because he wanted a 2 year deal. Murray wouldn’t/couldn’t give him that. I don’t see it as being Corvo instead of Benoit. i see it as a choice having to made about Gryba, Borowiecki, Ceci and Benoit.

      If you give Benoit that 2nd year, nect year with Corvo and probably/hopefuly Phillips off the books you are looking at a greater log jam on the blueline and with most of them on 1 way deals.

  • Sensnation

    I sure hope Havlat and Hemsky aren’t the trade targets. Would rather just let AHL guys rotate through the spot for the year. No point bringing in an overpaid and injury prone player when running within a budget!

  • Mat

    Pierre Lebrun spoke to Murray and Murray indicated that they were in the market for a PMD. Most people agree that help on D is a primary concern although I would also like to see Spezza get someone/something better than the current revolving door of underachievers..
    Renaud Lavoie indicated that NY is opened to the possibility of trading Del Zotto. He’s been a healthy scratch for a couple games. I think PW46 + a prospect or perhaps an active roster player (im thinking CG14) would be sufficient and a fair swap. Del Zotto is better than his recent performances indicate IMO.

    • SensChirp

      Agree. Defence is definitely the bigger need. See it as two moves. Michalek for a PMD then a deal for someone who can play with Spezza. Easier said than done, unfortunately.

      • Alcatraz

        michalek+greening for Brassard+Del Zotto

        • hq8

          why brassard? and wouldnt that make a conference rival too strong?

          • Alcatraz

            Wouldn’t it make us stronger? No one likes Michalek or Greening so we should be winning no? Also we have no 3LC, Brassard could fill that role.

          • hq8

            ok its the fans that dont like MM9 and Greening. you need to start thinking more in line with where sens brass and coaching is thinking right now. and there, MM9 is a top 6 guy and greening can do no wrong in the world.
            time and again, people are quick to trade MM9 here, but i think thats a jumpy approach. the guy fills a very important role. yea he isnt producing and his knees is bad-luck, but he kills a lot of the sens penalties. who would you replace that with? sens love taking penalties too, so go figure.
            greening definitely should be traded or benched. atleast three guys in Bingo can take that spot right now: Hoff, Stone, Pageau. hell maybe even robinson.

          • Tooks

            Haha you think Michalek and Greening make NYR stronger? Brassard alone is worth more than MM9 and Greening.

          • hq8

            i think, there is enough evidence, that, except for Heatley and Fisher, most ex-senators excel wherever they go. especially when they play against the sens. hell Ray Emery actually has a cup ring now too.

        • sprucesens

          if we could get brassard for thost 2 by themselves with no del zotto i’d be jumping for joy. Let alone landing DZ

      • Mat

        Michalek could be traded for a player like Del Zotto. Nothing more though. His value is at an all time low. And then when you try and make a deal for a winger to play with Spezza, who’s left that’s expendable? Who’s got value? To me, that’s either PW46, Anderson, Zach Smith (expendable and have value), CC89 and CG14 (expendable). There are some prospects like Stone or Pageau that will come up if the winger has any type of value..

    • hq8

      wow, as much as CG14 sucks for the sens right now and PW46 being scratched, I would not be inclined to add to NYRs arsenal right now, especially in the same conference and when they are peaking.

      • Mat

        I feel pretty confident Del Zotto is the better player with the best long term potential in that group. Adding Colin Greening would be a calculated way for us to remove 1 more 1-way contract from the books. In the short and long term, Greening will never be a threat to this team, let’s be honest.
        I also want to see more Bingo call ups and its not happening right now because of the number of 1 way tickets. We have too many healthy scratches, we can’t justify sending Boro or Mika down, Grant should be swapped for Hoffman and for some reason, Kassian (and Corvo) are still around. Something’s gotta give.

        • Millennium

          Its worth noting that DZ is an RFA with arbitration after this season. I think next year is his last RFA year. Will probably factor into any decision to take him on if he is due for a significant raise or is a flight risk.

        • hq8

          first off, i dont think NYR is wanting for wingers. second, giving them PW46 does make their D better, even if del zotto is taken as the best player in the trade. but really, is he that much better than PW46? both are in and out, and in Del Zotto’s case, it stands out more: 20th overall and sitting for a long stretch + past 41pt dman.
          sens dont need another 1/4th-of-a-karlsson type. they need another methot type guy. they need to replace the projection they had for cowen: a steady, reliable, shutdown-biased, physical, big d-man who can also contribute decently offensively. unfortunately, thats a rare commodity. Cowen’s highest projections were chara-type or pronger-type. right now, he is failing miserably at keeping up to that projected pace. so, either somehow convert cowen, bring him back to his 2011-2012 pace or look for a methot type steal again. I think Smid was the guy the sens should have targetted. This is where Bishop comes in. Edmonton clearly was wanting a goalie. Murray has always wanted Smid. Bishop could have easily gone for Smid.
          sens need to keep PW46 and get Cowen to play like he was supposed to or find someone who will play like it. Boro is nearing to a point where he just may be the solution.
          i think this is getting out of context now and the problem is becoming undefined. do the sens need a karlsson type-PMD or a hybrid type guy – like methot who can cover for a PW46′s mistakes while also being offensively capable? I think its the latter. hence no to del zotto, he is defensively a major risk, thats why he is sitting and he also never really got along with Torts for that very reason.

          • Mat

            Firstly, who ever gets along with Torts??
            Second, the PMD search was a point BMurray made to Pierre Lebrun. I get your point on a steady Methot-like D but I think I would rather debate the facts. Re: Smid, he would have been a good pick up last year. Luckily, we have Claesson in Bingo playing very well and he’s an exact hybrid of Smid.
            Having another PMD IS redundant if you keep PW46. A swap makes sense.
            Lastly, who said DZ was a defensive liability?? I’m not sure that’s factual at all. And he’s put up numbers in 2 seasons and if I’m not mistaken he’s 24. Still tons of untapped potential with that kids.

      • Tooks

        DZ can move the puck and isnt bad defensively, we need less of Cowen, Gryba, Phillips, slow moving D-men with no offensive production… We need more of PW46, Corvo, DZ, Ceci, Claesson type players, guys that move their feet and skate.

  • A-Train

    I’m going to reverse myself here and say trading Anderson might be a good idea now. The team needs a shakeup and he’s one of the few pieces we have that a) another team might want b) would take some (though not a ton) of salary out the door with him and c) we have a viable internal replacement for.

    Only problem is he wouldn’t be the only starter on the market.

    • FBP

      I feel like Lehner would shatter his triquetrums one week after this trade and I’d give up watching hockey forever for ten minutes.

      • A-Train

        Haha. Don’t tempt fate. Hate to advocate something I argued against, but the context is different now.

    • Alcatraz

      True but he is the onyl starter with a guaranteed additional year on his contract (See Miller/Brodeur)
      So if your planning a 2 year strategy he fits in nicely. It strengthens them a little, but I could NYI as a good fit. Send us Reinhart! haha

      • Tooks

        Glad people are starting to see it the same way I do. We have Lehner, he is #1 next year if not the year after. We are in no shape to make a CUp run with Andy, trade him now while he still has value. He brings us the most pieces, Young D/Young FW, whatever.

  • SensChirp

    Just heard from the people at Disqus that they will be releasing a new mobile version over the next couple months. Should fix the right alignment of replies.

    • Conor_smythe

      What are you hearing about Ottawa’s trade bait… only names I’ve heard are the players supposedly coming in, but not much mention of whose on the way out… Other than Michalek, if possible

      • SensChirp

        Heard one name but it was a strictly off the record thing for now. Hope to get the go ahead at some point though.

  • MikeS

    TSN1200 saying cowen doesnt need waivers to go down. Skrew sitting him, send him the minors for a few weeks to get his butt in gear

  • Mat

    Any leaks on the new Heritage Jerseys? I haven’t seen anything.

    • T K

      Rumour is that it’s a reverse coloured version of the existing 3rd jersey.

      • Mat

        The reverse colour would look nice. The old school pictures on the new Sens video (where Spez and Karlsson talk about the new Jersey) show versions with no crest at all and a version with the name “Senators” written across. The one with the writing would definitely be my preference. Would like this one to not have the “O”..

        • SensChirp

          There are some tells in the comments Spezza and Karlsson make. Thought I heard one of them say something about the colour of the number and Spezza seemed to hint at it being a familiar design and something they have worn before.

          Rumours suggest it will indeed be a white version of the heritage jersey.

  • T K

    At least the Sens look like they have a pulse tonight

  • karlssens

    Ugly pp lol

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    what the heck is spezza trying to do on the powerplay.

    • Conor_smythe

      Not just spezza. Lots of things to complain about on those pps

      But ya. That was ugly on spezzas part too

  • karlssens

    LOL 0-3 on the pp so far..

  • karlssens

    Now that’s a pp.. Please fire whoever is in charge of ours.

  • Conor_smythe

    Knew it

    How many times we seen this?

    Shit the bed on our opportunities. Opponent gets one chance and they score

    Somebody please fire our powerplay coach! !!

    • Mat

      This was going to happen. Can’t go on 3 PP, do nothing and not expect this exact scenario to happen… Special teams are atrocious. Just atrocious.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Flyers score on first PP chance. This coaching staff sucks and needs to go.

  • Zorav

    om my … can we get philly’s PP coach?

  • aegiszx

    Oh, look, Dave Cameron’s ineffective PP at work again. Anywhere else, he would have been fired. He’s so effing lucky that Eugene has his back. My god.

  • SensFanInMTL

    So light it up up up. Light it up up up. Light it up up up, I’m on fye-yaaaaaa.

    • Conor_smythe

      This team is so concerned about branding. Theme songs. Slogans. hash tags. New jersey every 3 months

      Maybe the should funnel some of their marketing budget into icing a quality product…. like, all of it

      • SensFanInMTL

        Haha. But still a catchy theme, eh?

        • Conor_smythe

          Its accurate. This team looks like they’ve been “lighting up” before every game…

          Marijuana!

  • karlssens

    That defense is beyond repair.. Needs to start with getting Cowen and gryba out of there..

    • Jacques

      Cowen yes, Gryba can play. Hell he was leading the AHL in plus minus last year. Methot and him kept this team alive last year. Let the kid play and he’ll be a beast.

  • Zorav

    You know…this lack of confidence is really hindering their ability to skate and just be where they should be. Instead they find themselves scrambling. Perhaps some meditation or even bring their dads along for the next stretch can help..

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    All of the coaches have to go.

    • Zorav

      oh please… stop being that guy..

  • SENSible

    Conacher on first two power plays, I think PMAC has lost it.

    • Mat

      He’s still looking for his glasses

  • SensFanInMTL

    I find this ridiculously sad. Trying to find a top 6 winger is something we’ve been doing for years since Heatley’s departure. Michalek was decent but decent’s about it. Then we give up a lot to get the services of Bobby Ryan. Now we need to find yet another top 6? Esti, what or who will it take to settle a 40 goal scorer to play alongside Spezza?

    • Mat

      It will take another top 6

      • SensFanInMTL

        But the money though. Also, I don’t believe an ailing Hemsky will solve any problems, especially given the fact that he’s also another playmaker. And Havlat? Havlat?

        • Mat

          The money means it will be a challenge to get it done for sure. They will need to move some salary out and it will most likely cost us a top prospect. But it can be done. The reality is Michalek is not only killing his own career, he’s killing our star player’s as well.

          Can’t have that.

    • hq8

      lol this is just knee jerk reaction type stuff trying to find yet another top 6 guy.

    • Conor_smythe

      Ill bet if Bobby ryan kept playing with spezza they would have chemistry by now

      MacLean was impatient with them imo

      • SensFanInMTL

        Agreed. That didn’t last long enough to develop into something lethal before line juggling commenced. I still remember that feed from Spezz to Bobby in that Sharks game. They need to reunite at some point.

        • Millennium

          I don’t think Mac was expecting Turris and Ryan to work out so well and so fast. But it did, and its one of the few bright spots of the season, so its hard to break that up for chemistry that we only hope is there with Spezza.

      • Mat

        But then we’d all be pissed at Turris for not producing – with Michalek on his wing.. #viciouscircle

        • Conor_smythe

          Disagree

          Turris plays well with everybody.

          If anything michalek would just have more goals

  • Aaron 2.0

    Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

    Albert Einstein

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      cc: Paul Maclean.

      • Aaron 2.0

        Yeah, the coaching staff is exactly who I had in mind here.

    • T K

      BTW Al Einstein was a physicist, not a psychologist. He never said that.

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        LOL.

      • Aaron 2.0

        Well, any scientist is a philosopher by nature… But, point taken. Original author – Unknown. My bad. Still stand by the sentiment in this case.

  • SensFanInMTL

    How much longer as well will Conacher be considered as a top 6? As much heart and grit as he has, does anyone really believe he should be up there?

    • aegiszx

      Until Bishop falters… That was Murray’s deal, and he’s probably gonna stick by it until it’s a complete bust …

    • Millennium

      The problem is, who would you put there? Greening? Condra? The only names that even merit consideration are Zibanejad and Hoffman really.

      • SensFanInMTL

        Yes I’d also like to see one of Zibby or Hoffman. He is tearing it in the A, so hopefully he can have as much success if and when is called up. I think we should see Hoffman called up before pressing the panic button and ultimately compromising the team for a trade.

  • Conor_smythe

    Im just surprised we’re not ahead 5-0

    I mean. We started lehner and freed mika.

    Wasn’t that supposed to solve everything?

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      The man behind the bench doesn’t even know how to use Mika.

      Why does the organization hate him so much anyways?

    • SensFanInMTL

  • JBL11

    Paul says that the Sens are a team that can skate and play physical, and I agree with him. The only problem is that they don’t. They often lack intensity, and that is especially the case on the PP. Plenty of talent on the ice, but too many guys slowing things down. The more time you give the other guys to set up, the less likely you are to create openings. Put a guy like Smith or Zibanejad in front of the net (Conacher is too small), get pucks on net, crash the net, and pick up the damn tempo….it’s not rocket science Paul/Dave. Hell I’d even try throwing Cowen in front of the net Chara style once in awhile!

  • SensFanInMTL

    I cannot endure our team suffering anymore like this.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Jason Spezza playing as a winger for a shift…

    I’ve seen it all from Paul Maclean.

    • Conor_smythe

      Next move is turris playing goalie

    • Zorav

      Interesting, how people rave about Paul Macleans’s coaching for 130 games, and are ready to fire him based on 20 .

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        This league is about results. That’s all that matters. He’s just not getting it done this season. Anyone with eyes can see that.

        Why don’t you think the team can’t even fill all those dang seats with bums to watch them play.

  • T K

    Ok, Sens down by 2. Time to score now?

  • SensFanInMTL
    • Tooks

      Haha Mika? what? haha Euge doesnt know who he is!! lol

  • Colin

    Now its 11 of 21 games the Senators have been down 2-0. It’s gonna take more than a top 6 F and a PMD to fix this mess.

  • hq8

    zack smith is looking better and better. getting up there in consistency with Bobby Ryan as Ottawa’s most consistent forward

  • Millennium

    I don’t buy that this is on Pmac. How does a team pull off the ridiculous underdog story from last season under him then just be completely flat under him this season. It doesn’t make sense that the problem is his coaching.

    I wonder if Spezza’s captaincy is going well? Its not impossible to think that maybe he hasn’t enjoyed the role, or that it isn’t working out. It certainly might be something that would explain the team’s problems.

    • Conor_smythe

      Last season 75% of the players were coached in bingo and called up. They had Richardson’s system in their brains. Maclean looked like a genius, but Richardson was the man.

      • Conor_smythe

        Even now. Look at how boro plays defence compared to the rest of the team

        Huge difference.

    • T K

      I see the captaincy issue as a Klinger vs. Radar issue, if you can follow the analogy. It will take a while for everyone to adapt to the transition. In his early captaincy, many wanted to tar & feather Alfie.

      • Millennium

        Entirely possible. Maybe its just Spezza who is having trouble adapting, or maybe its a red herring.

  • Zorav

    WOOOHOO

  • T K

    Attaboy Clarkie!

  • Tooks

    Nice to see the refs giving us PP practice!! We need it!

  • SensFanInMTL
  • Tooks

    Cowen and Gryba together = slow agonizing death… Its off the glass each play or high dump into Philly’s D zone, lol, not 1 breakout pass…

  • Tooks

    Damn MM9, spin move on your bad knees, really? What more does Spezza have to do?!?!

    • JBL11

      Haha. I just don’t get why Bobby wouldn’t come out with Spezza…..Milo sucks

  • Jacques

    Maybe it’s been discussed but WTF was Spezza doing on the Philly first goal??? He leaves his spot in the Box to be practically in Michalek’s pants leaving giroux all alone on the left side? It’s hockey 101, he has no clue. It boggles the mind how MacLean sends out our two worst players 5 on 5 this year to kill penalties together. These guys are liabilities defensively dammit! SERENITY now!

    • Tooks

      Thats what I’m saying with defensive first hockey, Maclean is trying to force defense on every player we got. Spezza should not be on the PK, neither should Michalek. Let them play offense.

      • Jacques

        On the PK they suck and in general 5 on 5 they’ve been the line that’s sucked the most also. They don’t know where to go in the defensive zone. Spend 5 minutes watching these two in their own zone! You’ll throw up in your own mouth.

  • Jacques

    Also how can Karlsson one of the best stick handlers on the planet not be able to gain the zone on the Powerplay. Where is the coaching, can they watch some film of other teams Powerplays?

    • Tooks

      Karlsson’s mobility is in question, he doesnt have the top end speed and agilty he once had. He rarely brings it up anymore cuz other teams can stop him now.

      • FBP

        How many km’s an hour can he skate? Or even row for that matter?

  • timwrx

    Sooooo if Anderson gave up the goal Lehner did people would call for his head and instant trade…Lehner does it and not 1 post to the negative…

    • Tooks

      That was an open net tap in basically, Anderson would not have been blamed for that, give yer head a shake. Plus it was on the PP and wasnt a shot from the point. lol

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      No it was a bad goal to give up, you’re right.

      But I think why there weren’t as many boo birds on the bad goal, is because relative to Andy, Lehn’s been better. Just my guess, but I agree.

    • Conor_smythe

      What are you doing tim?

      We’re losing…. irrational comments only!

    • T K

      Tim, I sense that the pain of the post cup season is still strong with you. Someone needs to keep reminding those with short memories why a strong tandem is what keeps Robin honest.

  • T K

    These are my fave Greening moments.

    • Tooks

      Good tilt, finally Greening the noodle shows some fight…

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Wow Greening just beat the shit outta Luke Schenn. Ouch.

    • Colin

      At least he made the game sheet tonight :-)

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        BAHAHAHAHA

    • Floridasensfan

      That was friggin awesome, totally laid a beating on him, Greening got me fired up hope it had the same effect on the team.

      Thats the kind of fight you don’t want to take out of hockey.

  • 65kwhissell19

    wow greening. he doesn’t look to happy.

  • JBL11

    Greening is now an enforcer, as he hasn’t scored a goal since the late 90′s…

  • 65kwhissell19

    oh man thought Ottawa had a goal mason made a nice save….. what you guys think of Ottawa play so far

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Better second period. Lehner seemed to have settled down, but the team needs to score more.

  • JBL11
  • luckan20

    I believe we played a better 2nd period. We could have been leading if not for the terrible in the first period PPs.
    I still believe Cowen should sit. He is hardly a physical force. Wiericoch should be in the line up because him in the PP has better chance of scoring than Methot or Phillips.

    • Floridasensfan

      Watching Phillips on the power play is sickening, great guy and good defenseman but seriously the power play. He is not the lone reason we suck on the power play but he certainly contributes to it.

  • T K

    Kyle!

  • Conor_smythe

    Here it comes

    • Conor_smythe

      Good call…. spezza gwg???

      • Conor_smythe

        Probably

  • 65kwhissell19

    there it is 2-2 turris ties it

  • Cronie

    atta boy Turris!

  • Millennium

    Now Ryan needs to cap the line’s hattrick

  • SensFanInMTL

    #NoDustInHoffman

  • T K

    So Spezza gets interfered but nothing happens?

  • Cronie

    I see the reffing is the same as last year… or perhaps even worse. WOW!

  • T K

    At least both teams are suffering from poor officiating

    • Cronie

      agreed! Homerism aside, the reffing the last few seasons has been deplorable…

  • luckan20

    Damn! Grossmann. WTF with Spezza. He has been terrible in the 3rd.

  • 65kwhissell19

    holly smokes did that go in the net

  • T K

    Woooooooooo Hoooooooooo????

  • Cronie

    whoa

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Close call…..

  • 65kwhissell19

    what………………………………………

  • T K

    Up yours Toronto!

  • Colin

    Not definitive enough for the Toronto judges, eh?

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Boy oh boy does Bobby Ryan deserve an assist on this one. The guys is so good. Great move and feed to Turris….

  • 65kwhissell19

    wow kessel must off revowed that

  • Cronie

    another Toronto Screw Job… Is Ford in charge of the replay??

    • Tooks

      It never went in, stop complaining about what the Sens cant change and start complaining on what they can change and it starts with COWEN benched and Gryba traded for and 7th rounder. Bring up Claesson & Ceci. Add speed to our blueline. Enough of this big slow moving D men who cant pass to save their life.

      Also trade Greening & Michalek to anyone who wants them, get us some extra pucks and water bottles. Bring up Hoffman & Stone…

  • 65kwhissell19

    omg off corse they score

  • Brock

    Typical.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    wow.

  • T K

    Turris is stunned

  • Conor_smythe

    Ha

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Karlsson was caught watching Timonen that entire time. God awful defence.

  • Cronie

    this blows… unreal!

  • Jacques

    Way to go, bullshit call that was a TUrris goal, and then MaClean sends out the Spezza line and as usual we get scored on!

  • 65kwhissell19

    this is Toronto fault were down 4-2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Colin

      No! It’s the fault of the Senators’ shitty defensive play. Karlsson watched Timonen waltz to the net on the first goal and Cowen stumbled around on the second goal.

      • 65kwhissell19

        no its the fault of Toronto…. the momentum changed the second the puck droped!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • JBL11

      Couple softies by Robin too

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Game over. Too bad.

    • jaydog

      with the 3rd overall pick, from the Ottawa Senators, the Anaheim Mighty Ducks select…

  • Cronie

    budget or no budget; either call someone up Murray or make a bloody move. Frustrating as hell…

    • 65kwhissell19

      agreed

    • JBL11

      I mentioned it awhile ago…but what are your thoughts on these Zel Zotto rumours?

      • Millennium

        Another Dman with questionable Defensive zone play…

      • Jacques

        Rather see Ceci!

    • Conor_smythe

      I would love or murray to just say fuck it.. make 2 trades without asking Eugene or thinking about the budget… and then quit before he gets fired

    • Jacques

      Really cuz the sand is going through the hour glass pretty quickly!

  • SensFanInMTL

    #FreeHoffman
    #Re-freePageau

  • luckan20

    It was a stupid decision from TO and two momentum goals. Spezza line look terrible along with two clowns Gryba and Cowen. Timmonen showed as if he is high flying goal scorer.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    So guys, what’s your favourite beer?

    • T K

      Faxe

      • T K

        But I prefer Amarone Della Valpolicella

        • jasonontheoldsenschirp

          We have a connoisseur among us, I see.

          Gonna need a few of all of these after this game. Sheesh

    • crazyman

      Water.

    • SensFanInMTL

      - Moosehead
      - Sleeman (Honey Brown)
      - Heineken (spelling?)

      But everything is alright.

    • Colin

      Cold

  • Jacques

    Come on TUrris, good try!

  • Colin

    Shoot the fucking puck!!!

  • Colin

    and now the refs are making good and sure that the Senators don;t get back into the game. Sens may have deserved the last two calls, but Philly is getting away with lots of slashing and interference.

  • Kielbasa

    Well we wanted this team to show consistency. It’s unfortunate that they are consistently bad.

  • SlickRick

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
    fucking video review was buzzkill, we were flying before that commercial time out too.

  • Senators Pundit

    Has anyone on this team potted a single penalty shot or shootout attempt yet this season?! Seriously guys, practice that shit!

  • Mexican Baby Jesus

    Go Sens Go!

    • Mexican Baby Jesus

      Go Sens Go?

  • laffin681021

    So…is it time to start worrying about our team?

    • Conor_smythe

      Its just because of the schedule! !!

    • Mexican Baby Jesus

      Meh…We are still in contention. Wait until we are >6 points out of playoff spot

      • Millennium

        4 points out of the playoffs is much bigger these days than in the past. Its no small thing to get them back.

        • Colin

          No shit. This ugly mess will likely have to win around 70% of their remaining games to get into the playoffs.

        • PraiseAlfie11

          There’s 61 games left dude! That’s 122 points on the table…Ya, 4 out of 120 is a crisis!

          It’s 21 games in. I’m not loving what I’m seeing, but come on…

          • Millennium

            If you follow the standings year over year, you would see in fact how big 4 points can be. Its not just us gaining 4 points, its our main rivals also losing 4 points. We see teams go on 6-game win streaks and still not be able to close a 4 point gap. Those end of season ‘knocking on the door’ teams are usually down by around 2-4 points, and even with strong rallies are hard pressed to make up ground.

          • PraiseAlfie11

            Later on in the season I absolutely agree. If there were 21 games left I would be freaking. 61 games left is premature IMO.

      • laffin681021

        I don’t like how you said “wait until” lol

  • JBL11

    The chemistry between Spezz and Milo is really incredible…I’m so glad Paul keeps them together………………..

    • Conor_smythe

      Ive been saying it alllllllll fucking year ( and last year. And the year before)

      But watch out. Sandy and yost will tell you they have amazing chemistry

  • Jacques

    Somebody is baking us lots of turnovers tonight, there are some for everybody! dig in everyone,

  • Tooks

    Game set match. Burn CTC to the ground!! :P

  • T K

    Aaaaaaand I’m outta here. Good night everyone

  • karlssens

    This team is hard to like at the moment

  • JBL11

    Zib, Spezz, Ryan
    Mac, Turris, Hoffman
    Conacher, Smith, Greening
    Condra, Grant, Neil

    • JBL11

      Oops…did I forget Milo?……

      • SensFanInMTL

        Hoffman – Spezza – Zibanejad
        MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
        Greening – Pageau – Condra
        Michalek – Smith – Neil

        • JBL11

          Kinda hoping Milo gets packaged in a deal for a Dman. No way Paul puts his butt-boy Smith on the 4th line

          • SensFanInMTL

            I was gonna put him back on the top line. Might as well. Can’t be any worse than what’s happening now. That or your second idea is fine as well. But if no one wants Milan, then…

            Michalek – Spezza – Zibanejad
            MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
            Hoffman – Pageau – Condra
            Greening – Smith – Neil

          • JBL11

            Yeah…if we go into next game with the same lines, we’ll get the same result.

          • yannrock

            Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

            Albert Einstein

  • Jacques

    Oops we must have been missing a turnover so he baked one last one!

  • SensFanInMTL

    Free Hoffman & refree Pageau. Nao.

    • Sensturion

      Both Grant and Conacher, while not getting on the scoresheet, had very strong games in my opinion.

  • Mexican Baby Jesus

    At least we will have a high first round draft pick!…

    • Mexican Baby Jesus

      I mean high second rounder

      • Tooks

        Too funny, damn I wish we had Landeskog!

        • Mexican Baby Jesus

          Yeah…Remember when we all thought Ottawa would trade up and snag that gem

  • Bissmeister

    This team is killing me.

  • Tooks

    Its ok guys, its still early, I have confidence in this team, they will turn it around, coaching staff is top notch and our D is giving them fits, especially Cowen and Gryba!

    • Mexican Baby Jesus

      oh the irony!

    • Sensturion

      The one guy everyone shits on for being a pessimist is actually being optimistic… so you guys shit on him? NEW RULE! If you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything AT ALL! (Goes for likes and dislikes as well!)

      • SensFanInMTL

        Light ‘em up up up
        Light ‘em up up up
        Light ‘em up up up
        I’m on fye-yaaaaa.

        #BreechCHLrules&RegulationsAndCallupLazarAtAnytime

      • Colin

        FFS! The only reason he is being optimistic is because everyone else is pessimistic. If everyone else was optimistic, well, I’m sure you get it.

  • Sensturion

    Thoughts?
    I thought the team played quite well tonight. Unfortunately, and though I am loathe to admit it, our goaltending was our undoing tonight. Lehner should of had those two goals and he knew it by his reaction afterwards.
    As for the non-goal… the Sens fan in me was screaming good goal while the hockey fan in me knew it was impossible to tell if it was in or not.
    Oh and Turris? That look at the end of the game was heartbreaking…

    • Millennium

      Our team was terrible with the exception of the few minutes after Greenings fight.

  • SensChirp

    House rules- For each angry comment you make, you must click on one advertisement. Thanks!

    • Mexican Baby Jesus

      F@&k you chirp

      • Mexican Baby Jesus

        OOO Big screen TV!

        • SensChirp

          Trying to profit off the Senators misery. For shame, SensChirp. For shame.

          • SensFanInMTL

            I actually clicked on mine. These aren’t even milfs. They’re like, much older.

          • Mexican Baby Jesus

            Damn I don’t get those advertisements. I must be slacking off on the fapping. I blame a busy semester

    • SensFanInMTL

      “Rencontre celibataires Au Quebec”

    • PraiseAlfie11

      Done…No hard feelings if I’ve only posted a positive message and still clicked, right? :)

  • hq8

    another bad start and another defensive meltdown. whats new? i guess another loss in the column and now below 0.500. oh btw, Mtl is winning 6-1. TOR won 5-2, BOS winning 2-1 right now – if that goes to OT, its worse. Wings are losing 2-0, but still ahead. Blue Jackets are playing edmonton, sooo…..

    slowly, the stench of losing is creeping upwards and upwards. the players cant fix this, that is pretty evident now. the coaching staff, i think is now at the cusp of failure if not already there.

    its easy to look at the disallowed goal and forget that the sens had to fight extra hard after falling behind 2-zip. they had 3 PPs to start the game and slept through all of them, that is what bad looks like. bad is when you have the opportunity and you dont even try.

    • H POTTER

      Right on ! But wait,the season is still fresh it’s sooo early, also we had a rough start in the west, and also the refs and the entire league is against us..it’s a conspiracy theory against the capital….in case yall didn’t notice it’s called sarcasm…to all those who keep blaming everything everyone BUT the Sens!!

  • hq8

    sooooo does Paul Maclean keep his job? or does EM tell BM to book it? or BOTH?
    lots of GMs available on the market btw……just sayin. BM aint gettin any younger

    • Sensturion

      If you think Bryan Murray is the problem, you’re insane.

      • hq8

        and no i dont think he is the problem. but you know sometimes, when stuff under the boss goes shit, the boss has to go first

        • Sensturion

          Melnyk is the boss. The pile of money under him has GONE to shit… He has to go.

          • hq8

            he is not the boss, he is the owner. BM is the boss Melnyk appointed. BM doesnt have to go, but his players are inching both Maclean and Murray closer to a bad bad situation

          • Sensturion

            Technically, Melnyk is the boss. He has simply relegated tasks to Murray. Melnyk is the one who’s calling the shots, by the way… “Bryan! Sign Kovalev! We need a star!” “Bryan! Offer Alfie a 4 million dollar contract! He’s not worth anything more!” “Bryan! You are not allowed to spend more that 55 million! I’m not made of money here!”

    • hq8

      whoa 3 minuses already. im only asking the question LOL

      • SensFanInMTL

        Here. Thumbs up. Now…
        MacLean is definitely in question. We are all curious as to what in the hell he wants his players to be and to do.

        • hq8

          my real point is that its becoming a tough tough situation. Maclean definitely is a highly deserving coach and veyr very capable. but this seems to be getting away from him and his control. in the past, he has been able to rein these guys in and turn it around fairly fast. this time, he cant seem to correct the issues. also, how much does this situation cut the ropes EM has given BM? after all, the roster decisions are BM’s responsibility. not saying BM has made the wrong decisions and really noone could have seen this record coming.

  • Sensturion

    From what I understand, Maclean basically came out and said that Conacher and Zibanejad were both competing for the top 6 position. Fair enough. Why is then, that Zibanejad never actually gets a chance in the top 6?

  • Shibal

    I just find it so puzzling how Zibanejad is being used this season. Before he got moved against the fourth line against Philly last week, he played a very strong game against Florida – recording a goal and 5 shots, while playing on a line with Milo and Spezza.

    Before being demoted to the fourth line he had 4 goals in 9 games, despite being a small sample size it was a 33 goal in 74 game pace.

    Also today he only played 10 minutes with no pp time. I really want to know what this organization has against him, because right now they are handling him like how Turris was handled in Phoenix, except Zibanejad has no defensive problems and his offense was looking good while he was playing quality minutes.

  • luckan20

    BM needs to move some dead weights. It is in the best interest of this club. Its not panic button, but this ship is sinking now. Needs a big move or pay the price. The damn budget is killing us. We better trade Anderson now, when we has some value.

    BM could move Andy, MIchalek & our 2nd for Florida’s top pick, Kulikov, Matthias and Clemenson.

  • Tooks

    If Maclean doesnt split up the Turris line for next game he has lost all respect as a coach in my mind. He HAS to do something and its the only thing left to try. You cant win with 1 line.

    Mac Spezza Zibanejad
    Hoffman Turris Ryan
    Michalek Smith Neil
    Greening Grant Condra

    CC89 sent down cuz we can.

    Methot Karlsson
    Claesson Ceci
    Phillips Corvo

    Bench Cowen & Gryba or trade them if even possible (I think we are stuck with them)

    • Sensturion

      The one guy Spezza hasn’t played with is Macarthur… I wonder why…

    • hq8

      keep phillips in lineup? so he can screen opposing top 6 forwards’ wrist shots?

  • Mexican Baby Jesus

    I blame Karlssons divorce

  • karlssens

    There’s one problem with the Ottawa senators, and it’s the owner.

  • luckan20

    Move Cowen and Neil to Oilers for Perron and Larsen

    • Tooks

      After this game I dont think the Oilers are interested in Cowen anymore…sad for us. they would be idiots to give up Larsen for Cowen right now.

      • SensChirp

        This was the one that did it for them?

        • Sensturion

          I think it was games 83 through 110.

  • karlssens

    Just a quick poll. Who would be okay with trading spezza to the west?

    • karlssens

      Not saying I am by the way, just curious.

      • Tooks

        Depends on the return, we would need a #1C back…

    • Sensturion

      Because trading your captain 4 months into his captaincy would be greaaaaaat for troop morale!

      • Mat

        Cause moral can actually get worse right now??

    • SensFanInMTL

      Packaged with Mexican Baby Jesus and a 3rd for Tyler Toffoli

    • luckan20

      I am fine with that provided we are getting Mike Richards from LA Kings.

      Or Patrik Berglund, Roman Polak & 2nd rounder from St. Louis for Spezza and Gryba

    • hq8

      here we go with the spezza-traders…….

      advice for spezza-traders: who in the league needs a 1C, look that up first, because right now, alot of teams are actually carrying two centers minimum who could play 1C. and most of them are happy with theirs.

      the ones that dont have one, cant provide us the replacement, unless they provide us with Connor McDavid.

      • Jacques

        He plays like a 3c!

    • Jacques

      yes cuz we aren’t going to resign him FO Sure!

  • Mexican Baby Jesus

    I want to start a rumour that SensChirp also runs the Senators twitter account

  • Sensturion

    Also, because I love getting down votes, Gryba (+4), Cowen (+1) and Weircioch (+1), the players everyone says are the root of the team’s defensive problems, lead the defensemen in +/-. Worst on the team? Methot, surprisingly.

    • hq8

      lol cowen actually was +3 going into this game. so ……..
      PW46…..when was the last time he played?
      Gryba – i think has been victimized by being paired with Cowen. to see how bad cowen is you just have to watch closely what he does when the puck comes towards him. its like Rob Ford and a football.

      • SensFanInMTL

        Beedoe, beedoe, beedoe, beedoe.

        • hq8

          hahahahahahahaha

    • Jacques

      I’ve been saying it people shit on Gryba but he does his job. Last year our best combo was Methot and Gryba … Remember!

  • Eugenius

    How much would it cost us to snag Brian Campbell?

    • SensFanInMTL

      $7.1 M. Are you insane, fella?

      • Eugenius

        Allow me to rephrase….who would we have to trade to get him?

        • Sensturion

          To cover the cap hit? Lines 3 and 4.

          • Eugenius

            Haha. Or Milo, Cowen, and someone useless

          • Eugenius

            I shouldn’t say someone useless….that’s too long of a list….someone with a low cap hit

        • Millennium

          IF 50% salary retained, maybe Michalek.

        • SensFanInMTL

          LMAO. Honestly, we’re a fickle fanbase and I’m apart of it as much as
          the next angry fan on SensChirp.ca. I’m reading everyone’s post from
          sitting Cowen to trading Cowen to sitting or trading Phillips all the
          way to trading Spezza and Michalek’s knees. I’m clearly speaking from
          nowhere and really when it boils down to it, this team is in trouble.
          Financially, emotionally and everything else in between.

          • SensFanInMTL

            The hell did I just do?

          • Eugenius

            No matter how bad it gets…I’ll still watch every game from my overpriced basement bachelor in Toronto….

        • Tooks

          Spezza, haha.

    • Millennium

      And his $7 Million cap hit? Right.

    • Colin

      Eugene would have to be smoking crack in a drunken stupor before he spends that kind of cash

      • Sensturion

        I hear Ford’s gonna join him for that! (Sorry… I had to… I’m ashamed…)

  • Shibal

    I just don’t like the fact that all the rookies who were former first round picks that played last year are getting more responsibilities and increased ice time this year(Granlund, Galchenyuk, Kreider, Saad, Emerson Etem, Baertschi, Schwartz, Tarasenko) while Zibanejad(8th in rookie scoring last year) who has not played worse than last year at all, is stuck playing 10-11 mins a game.

    Even the whining Yakupov is getting more ice time, along with Scheifele who has 1 goal in 23 games.

    • Sensturion

      Granlund is good enough for the increased responsibility. Galchenyuk was given the extra responsibility because Montreal isn’t as good offensively as they appear. Kreider has been up and back down to the AHL all year. Saad is the same as Granlund. Etem is profiting from injuries and Baertschi plays for Calgary (explains itself).
      But I agree, I’d like to see Zibby given more chances to succeed.

      • Guest

        Granlund was up and down between AHL and NHL last year, this year he was given a chance, and he has been able to establish himself in the lineup. Kreider got called up and was immediately placed on the first line with Stepan.

        What I don’t get is that Maclean does not even give Zib a lengthy look at the top 6, even if he is playing in the top 6 somehow he ends up getting benched in the third period and his ice time falls to about 13 mins. For example against Florida up until the second period he played upto 11 minutes, and those minutes were well deserved, because he was playing excellent. By the third period he got benched and he only played 2 minutes in the third. The very next game against Philly he was demoted to the fourth line to start the game.

        When the Sens played against Chicago, he was on a line with Mac and Turris, he had a goal and 5 shots on net. The very next game he got demoted to playing with Smith and Milo.

        All of the above just does not make sense, and this is not how you should be handling a young player at all.

  • Sensturion

    Hey Chirp! I don’t want to be demanding, but can we get a post that includes ALL of your thoughts on the team so far? I love reading your tweets but commenting on them is another matter.

  • Shibal

    What I don’t get is that Maclean does not even give Zib a lengthy
    look at the top 6, even if he is playing in the top 6 somehow he ends up
    getting benched in the third period and his ice time falls to about 13
    mins. For example against Florida up until the second period he played
    upto 11 minutes, and those minutes were well deserved, because he was
    playing excellent. By the third period he got benched and he only played
    2 minutes in the third. The very next game against Philly he was
    demoted to the fourth line to start the game.

    When the Sens played against Chicago, he was on a line with Mac and
    Turris, he had a goal and 5 shots on net. The very next game he got
    demoted to playing with Smith and Milo.

    All of the above just does not make sense, and this is not how you should be handling a young player at all.

    • Eugenius

      Paul’s line combos these days are nearly as bad as Clousten’s were….remember when our first line was Regin, Spezza, Kovalev….eeeeesh. But yeah, give Zib a fair shot at a top 6 role

      • Shibal

        He messes with the lines like a mofo. He is also way too loyal to some players which I hate, because it just shows how bias he is with some players. Heck he never even gave Filatov a chance way back in 2011.

        • Eugenius

          Not entirely sure what to make of it all. Bryan needs to have a sit down with Paul to chat about line combos….right after he trades Milo, Cowen, and Greening for Brian Campbell………………

          • Shibal

            Milo is the perfect example of how Maclean is bias and loyal. He gives players with past history plenty of chances and ice time. Milo only has 3 goals so far. Smith had a decent first season, but Maclean still refers to him as his most consistent forward. Greening had 17 goals in his first season, and a decent playoff last year, he still gets enough ice time to try to get a goal, but he has 0 goals to show for it. If Maclean runs by that logic, I think Zib who had a pretty good rookie season last year should get more opportunities.

            Anyways that is the end of me, and my criticism against Maclean. He was a good coach the last 2 seasons, but this year I don’t know.

          • Jacques

            And see if Edmonton will take Spezza.

          • Eugenius

            You love Spezz eh?….

          • Jacques

            Watch him play…….

          • yannrock

            PPG player. After Alfie, Spezza is the best player this franchise has ever had. No way he gets traded after being named Captain.

            I’m sick of hearing people wanting him traded. Unless we get a lottery pick, there is no way we ever get another player of his caliber.

            Yes he causes turn overs, just like Karlsson. That’s part of a high risk/high reward game that all skilled offensive players play.

            Although, I do wish that he would produce more at this point in the season

  • MikeS

    Seriously. I am super glad you guys are not our gm or we would be worse off the the oilers….

  • Kinger

    SO.. I’m sitting hear listening to the post game show.. and one caller brought up an interesting idea. Maybe it’s time to replace either Mark Reeds and/or Mike Cameron to give the Forwards/Defense new ideas and a fresh foundation to work with. Because as far am I am aware it’s the coach that picks his staff not the owner….

    • Eugenius

      Not a terrible idea

    • Mat

      I brought this up after the Columbus game. After a dismal special teams performance (which I personally attribute to assistant coaching) .

      Let’s face it, special teams have not been our forte since this coaching staff has been in place. And last year’s OK stats were an anomali based on goaltending. Otherwise it’s been garbage. Time to switch both of them.

  • Jacques

    Spezza,Andy, and Smith for Eberle,and Gagner

    MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
    Hoffman-Gagner-Eberle
    Michalek-Pageau-Zibby
    Greening-Grant -Neil
    Condra(ugh)

    Less turnovers.

    3 balanced lines.

    Then Get Kulikov from Florida for Cowen.

    Methot-Karlsson
    Kulikov-Gryba
    Boro-Ceci
    phillips

    • sprucesens

      aside from not wanting to trade spezza, especially to my hometown, i’d prefer to not take gagner from the oil. IF i were to trade spezz to the oil and keep it similar to your deal…

      Spezza, Andy, Michalek, Gryba for Nuge, Eberle.

      Spezza alone would have netted you a first overall, and likely a bit more, like a B or C prospect, so i could see that being even for nuge alone. Andy as a goalie, although they’ve finished their goalie tryouts for this year anyways, so it won’t happen. Michalek to fill eberle’s void for the time being, and possible to sign him for cheap next year. Gryba as a cheap replacement for smid.

      Not saying i would ever want to do it, but MacT and the rest of the org might consider that offer. Obviously a ridiculous trade, but it would certainly send a message to both teams though!

      I think we would have to be a philly type GM to see a trade of that size…

      • Jacques

        For sure but they won’t trade NUGE. Spezza is real bad right now. Every game the line he’s on gets a couple of goals against and it’s because HE doesn’t know where to go defensively. Clear him out and the team will start winning. I think Eberle and Gagner would solidify our top 6.

        • Jacques

          And the money has to match for both teams and in your trade Edmonton is taking on too much, the’d be over theCAP.

        • Tooks

          Yes because we all know Eberle and Gagner are studs defensively, LOL. Minus 11 combined while Spezza is only minus 6.

          Eberle plays with world class players in Hall and Nuge. Spezza plays garbage in Michalek and CC89, Greening, Neil…etc…AND still has 18pts in 20 games, Eberle has 18pts in 23games…

          Owned…

    • SensFanInMTL

      Malade mentale.

      • yannrock

        Oui Monsieur! Malade en esti.

        Trading Spezza would be a huge mistake

  • sprucesens

    …even edmonton is whooping columbus. Unfortunately i missed 90% of the game. But seeing another 5 goal against loss, is just infuriating. I don’t know who played good or bad. But one thing is clear, this team is in need of a HUGE wake up call. Those of you saying its still early, and its only 4 points and so on, how many losses will it take for you to fully accept that something needs to be done? I can certainly bet, by the time it gets to that point, the season will be lost. If a trade/call up is done now, the team will be sent the message, and we can properly finish our 3 year rebuild, and possibly even make the playoffs.

    Its time now to ship out all the underperformers and guys like michalek to get good picks and top notch prospects now, and give our youth a chance to play hungry for spots.

    Greening, Condra, Kassian, Gryba, Wiercioch, Phillips, Corvo, are all currently virtually dead weight. can’t get rid of all them, but most would be nice.

    Michalek, Cowen are the most tradeable assets that might get you something good. Anderson could as well, but we need a strong tandem, so we’d have to get a decent goalie back, so that makes a package deal necessary to get anything worth trading him.

    Time to make a trade to make room for Hoffman, Stone, Claesson, Ceci, borowiecki, grant, wikstrand…and haha, filatov? couldn’t hurt could it? Let’s see what we have in our system now before we throw this year out…

    • PraiseAlfie11

      Since I’m one of those saying it’s 4 points and early…

      This is the same team as last year with two major subtractions (Alfie and Gonchar) and a major addition in Ryan. For whatever reason, the team isn’t clicking. Is the answer to blow it up? I honestly don’t think so. Look at your post, man. You literally want to trade 10 players and make the NHL team an AHL team?

      Come on, man. Stop it.

      PS: 2 of the players you say should come up are up…Or are you saying we should replace Karlsson and Spezza with Borocop and Grant? Geez.

      • sprucesens

        yes i know they are up, but we can’t carry 8 defenceman. And Borowiecki has a 1 way next year, and has outplayed virtually all our defensive tough D. I would argue both grant and smith are 4th line centers, but grant definitely doesn’t look out of place, making them redundant. Neither has enough offense to make a very good 3C, which is where i still feel zibby should be, giving us 3 solid scoring lines. But the coach has to give him solid scoring wingers. And those are not currently available in our bottom 6 of :Neil, Kassian, Greening, Condra.

        Hence calling up our top tier prospects to show what they’ve got! Gotta make room for the one’s that are actually going to play well. We all know last year’s team overachieved massively. The team relied on what would have literally been record breaking goal-tending from anderson, and amazing goal tending from lehner and bishop. And this also caused the highest PK% we’ve ever had, and we have now fallen back down to the norm. I don’t want ALL of those players replaced by AHL’rs, hopefully we get some quality back in a trade. But it is still the 3rd year of a 3 year rebuild. Time to start giving some of those players from the rebuild a chance to start earning some play time.

        If nothing else, it tells the guys currently on the team, to get their shit together, or they will be on the bench, waived or traded. Like i said yesterday: At the end of the 2 back to backs this week, anything less than 3 out of 4 wins, and there will be a shake up. Whether its a trade, or callups, who knows. And we’ve already used up our loss in the 3 for 4 scenario….

      • Jacques

        Just Spezza cuz the guy is the biggest Liability out there watch the whole game and take notes, at least 20 give away’s plus left his spot on penalty kill – goal number one. Running around like a chicken with his head cutoff – goal number three. And this has been going on all year. BRUTAL. Yes we’re the. Same team as last year basically but Spezza is back and he’s bad!!!!!

      • Senatollah

        This same team (but not) from last year barely made the playoffs. It was a grind all season, maybe they were expected to do better do to the previous year, but much emphasis was on how many were injured, thus the grind to qualify was reasonable. Maybe it was the absence of certain players (19, 9, 2) that changed the dynamic of the team to one that grinds out wins. To think that just adding them back makes the team elite or a playoff lock, well…its playing out now.

  • Tom P

    This team needs a shake up, even if it isn’t a major shake up. Even calling up Hoffman or Pageau.. this team needs something because the jump and mentality they had success with last year isn’t there right now..
    As much as I love Chris Neil, this guy needs to be put in a less effective role, I don’t know why for me it seems so simple that this team would have more success running with these lines
    Michalek-Spezza-Zibby
    Mac-Turris-Ryan
    Greening-Smith-Conacher
    Condra-Grant-Neil
    See how Zibby plays on Spezza’s wing for more than 5 minutes of the game and if that fails than time to call up Hoffman or Pageau.
    The second line is what it is, consistently solid.
    The third line, I like.. Greening has been playing way better of late, same with Smith.. this guy is an underrated puck possession guy and is constantly strong on the puck and wins the battles on along the boards. Lastly, as much as people say Conacher should be on the fourth line, or sent down, this is the only guy who has given everything he has every shift he plays, finishes all his checks and back checks hard. Sure him and Spezza don’t have that ideal chemistry but he is still an effective player and creates space for other players.
    Fourth line, good defensive line that can play a regular shift, with the goal of simply keeping the puck out of their end every shift ( Grant played well tonight, had flashes of nice hands and scoring chances)
    Rarely ever post on here, but just my 2 cents ! Go Sens Go

  • sprucesens

    someone posted this article about Del Zotto being available and sens having interest. Speculation is they want a winger, and if its us, money in money out. Greening and a 4th for Del Zotto? Almost identical money wise. Or maybe Michalek for DZ?

    http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on-hockey/24249603/nhl-rumors-michael-del-zotto-drawing-trade-interest-on-sens-radar

    • Mat

      Brought this up this afternoon before the article was ever out. I swear, sometimes I think reporters troll blogue sites and write articles based on the discussions they read..

      • sprucesens

        lol, was that you i quoted from below? i copied and pasted the link, since its interesting. I believe DZ was on murrays wanted list a few years ago no? I seem to remember hearing rumours about foligno for DZ with +’s on both sides…

        • Mat

          I’m not saying it doesn’t make sense to go after him, I just find it funny that this guy wrote an article, like he has actual sources on this. Either he trolled and copied or he’s piecing the pieces of a puzzle of struggling players and available parts (like I did). If this actually happens, I may as well be Murray’s assistant assistant GM… or an insider…

          • sprucesens

            put out a resume!

          • Mat

            Haha. I’m waiting for the 30 game mark to make my move. They’ll be extra desperate by then..

  • WolfInSheepsClothes

    If it makes anyone feel any better… Detroit is on a 7 game losing streak.

  • Guess Who

    TSN 1200 has a poll asking who Ottawa should call up next. I took all the poll options and made this roster…

    MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
    Michalek-Spezza-Hoffman
    Pageau-Zibanajad-Stone
    Smith/Neil-Da Costa-Condra

    Karlsson-Methot
    Phillips/Wiercioch-Cowen
    Borowiecki-Ceci

    Lehner
    Anderson

    • sprucesens

      i actually really like those lines other than da costa on the 4th line. He is a good player, but not in a bang and crash role. Leave smith/grant in the 4C. Swap condra for greening to keep the size and bang/crash up. And i like those lines. Not sure its time to bring up pageau yet though. Keep CoCo in his place for now.

    • Millennium

      That would put us at like 27-28 contract on the big club. Can’t have more than 23. Bringing anyone else up means someone has to go down or be waived or sent packing.

      • Guess Who

        We may have no other choice.

  • 65kwhissell19

    at this point other than turris,ryan,macarthur,lehner and karlsson…. id trade everyone else for a bad off pucks and call up binsens and there coach!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • T K

    The one comment I found the most intriguing today: the next call-up from Bingo should be Richardson. Take over as defensive coach.

  • Mexican Baby Jesus

    Spezza for Paul Bissonnette

    • Tooks

      BIZNASTY!!

  • Andersonfan41

    Just wondering if there are any similar type of players to Milan Lucic in the
    this years draft 2014 or next years draft 2015 or any of the up coming nhl
    drafts?