Game Day- The Senators Play Today

SensChirp December 21, 2013 268
Game Day- The Senators Play Today

After a couple disappointing losses at the hands of the New Jersey Devils and the Florida Panthers, the Senators look to right the sinking ship against a quality opponent from the Western Conference.

The Phoenix Coyotes are in the thick of the ultra competitive Western Conference playoff race.  With an 18-10-6 record, the Coyotes currently sit three points back of the Minnesota Wild for the final wildcard spot in the West.  Phoenix also holds the distinction of being one of two Western Conference teams the Senators have beaten this year- a 4-3 win overtime win back in October.  That was one of Spezza’s best games of the season as he scored three times while Cory Conacher added the overtime winner.

Perhaps something positive for the Senators to build on heading into this afternoon’s affair.

As dark as things seem around this team right now, a win over the Coyotes would go a long way towards calming some of the panic in this city. The effort was actually pretty good against the Panthers the other night but with the number of teams involved in the playoff race in the East, good efforts are of little consolation.  The NHL roster freeze has come and gone so the guys in that locker room know it’s up to them to get this thing turned around.  They’ll play Phoenix and Pittsburgh before the roster free is lifted on December 7th.  Bryan Murray will base his post-freeze decisions on what happens in those two games.

MacLean spoke to the media yesterday and indicated that he would make a couple changes to the line up.  Eric Gryba draws back in while Joe Corvo comes out after an uninspired performance against the Panthers. Mika Zibanejad is listed as day to day (word is it’s his neck) and will not play.  That means Cory Conacher draws back in for the Senators.  The way MacLean has shuffled the lines lately we’ll likely have to wait until game time to see exactly what he has in mind against the Coyotes.

Craig Anderson gets the start for the Senators.  Puck drop is scheduled for just after 2:00 PM.

  • Tim

    Don’t think I have been first in anything before…
    Go SENS/Go B-SENS!!!

  • senskarlsson57

    Chirp! Have you forgotten the other western team we beat last week?! Lol, anyways…

    Go Sens Go!

    • SensChirp

      Yikes. Amazing how fast I could forget that huge win after those last two losses. Thanks for the correction.

  • SensChirp

    Rumours out there that Melnyk has asked Murray to trim approximately $2 million in payroll.

    • Luc Wolfe

      so that doesn’t help us being competitive… whats the source?

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      You have to seriously be shitting me.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      This season honestly is starting to feel like some sort of cruel joke to me.

    • Doc

      Yep, by the end of the season. Things will only get worse from here on out. People that are blaming MacLean and Murray should turn their anger towards The Euge.

  • Frank

    Trim payroll? Sell the freaking team Eugene! As long as he is owner from this point on, this team will be a bottom feeder

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    I honestly do not get this budget shit…he has become a tight ass essentially since the 67s started playing there, am I nuts in seeing this as just yet more revenue for him?

    I seriously don’t know what gives…I used to excuse the budget as trying to save money for our up and comers and FAs….well unfortunately with the way the team is being run the FAs will be gone, and the young guys won’t want to be here either.

  • NickofTime

    As bad as this season has been for fans the Sens are still only 5 pts out of a playoff spot which for them should be something to be thankful for. If they can only get a run started, winning would change everything around this team, look what it has done for Florida who have taken down their for sale sign. It starts with the captain & he has to be so much better away from the puck.

    Imagine if Spezza, Michalek & Greening could get back to where they were two yrs ago?They would have two dynamic lines & have enough good players to fill their bottom two lines. Let’s see if the refs will give them a break today & stop calling all these chincy calls on them. Cutting down on the penalties, the give aways & the mistakes will again be the challenge of the day not to mention they have to have much better goaltending.

    • WaitingSince92

      ¡Only! 5 pts? That’s a lot with the way we’ve been playing.

      • WaitingSince92

        And if I hear one more fan blame the refs… Do we, as fans, fully understand how ridiculous/stupid/poor sport/whiny it sounds when we start talking about our team like we’re the only team who gets bad calls!?!?

        For the love of Jesus!

  • SuckitPhaneuf

    We have the weirdest schedule-2pm today???
    Seriously, how do you expect a GM to improve a team by subtraction.
    You are either in this to win it or you are not.
    If we really have to shed salary, it has to be Michalek.
    I wonder if Calgary would be interested in something like
    Michalek for Glencross and a pick

  • T K

    Sens had a certain nasty edge to them in the series against Montreal last season. That nastiness is what had been missing so far this year. Burke’s choice of the word “truculence” might be the right word for it.

    Sens need to play with more anger, like Smith does when he fights.
    That plus keep those feet moving to avoid penalties is the recipe.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cp9iEKbGzuk&feature=youtu.be

    Maybe the Sens should sign some of these girls….showing some heart!

  • WaitingSince92

    Too bad about Zibby. He’s been not only one of our best, but one of the most entertaining to watch.

    Him missing any substantial amount of games would be shite!

  • T K

    Kassian looking like a player today. Good for him

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    METHOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • T K

    Methot passes his flu off to Phoenix

  • FistsofNeil25

    What a goal! See what happens when you carry the puck into the zone on the powerplay instead of dumping it? Great feed by Bobby.

    • T K

      I was thinking exactly that same thing. Enter with possession. Florida was letting them do it but Phoenix is much stronger defensively

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    We are looking good again.

    Now sustain this pressure for a whole game…and then how about two in a row boys?!?!

  • FistsofNeil25

    Michalek really looks like he’s starting to round back into form lately.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    If there is one thing Conacher is amazing at it is taking a licking and getting us penalties.

    • FistsofNeil25

      That’s the only thing he’s good at. Other than drawing penalties, he doesn’t bring anything else to this team.

  • FistsofNeil25

    According to Denis Potvin, shorthanded breakaways never happen in the NHL. I have my fingers crossed that TSN will pick up the Sens broadcasting rights after this season so we will no longer have to listen to Denis.

    • sens23

      i agree. it seriously boggles my mind how a guy who played the game at such a high level as potvin and is in the hall of fame can be so cluless when he is watching the game from above

  • T K

    How did those mascots eat with their “heads” on?

  • FistsofNeil25

    Not a good penalty there Smitty

  • T K

    Atonement + redemption. Smith on Smith!

    • FistsofNeil25

      Great pass from Gryba too.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Probably means he will get benched next game

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Anderson fucking has to have that one

    • FistsofNeil25

      Yeah but Vrbata never should have been allowed to walk in like that either. the Sens have fallen asleep here in the second period. What else is new.

  • FistsofNeil25

    I think I’ve seen three shifts from the Smith line since the last time the Turris line was on the ice.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    FUCK why couldn’t Lehner have been in, that would have been even better!

  • T K

    Sens are correct to get tougher. Refs are correct to crack down in pairs.

  • FistsofNeil25

    SICK!

  • T K

    Double trouble from #3

  • FistsofNeil25

    I would love nothing more than to see a Marc Methot hattrick

    • T K

      Fuck yeah brother

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    God Karlsson and Ceci on the blue line for the PP….awesome

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    With all the fighting you think the guys were shown to start giving a shit!

  • T K

    Whoda thunk an afternoon game against Phoenix, the NJ of the west, could ever be this fun?

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BcCV3xuCcAAq5nd.png

    From yost…one looks like ET and the other looks like crackhead ET haha

  • T K

    Sens now spending too much time in the defensive end…

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Marc Methot is playing possessed today.

    • Sensnation

      It’s great to see! Also like the Methot-Gryba pairing we’ve seen a bit of, but truth is he can play with anyone when he’s on his game like this.

  • Deadly

    Almost 4:30. I expect Sports net to change to 24/7.

  • FistsofNeil25

    An insurance goal would be great here.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Spezza can’t get it out, Cowen and Phillips flop around like fish out of water, and Phoenix ties it up.

    • 111010111101110101010101010101

      trade Spezza – you know I’m right

      • FistsofNeil25

        What exactly do you think his trade value is?

        • SENSsmile

          A sixth round pick?

  • Mitchell

    Vermette. I know we got Lehrer with the 2nd but his still my favorite player. Good to see him light it up. Even against the sens

    • Deadly

      You must be real happy now

  • FistsofNeil25

    Smith and Greening with two overtime shifts – Bobby Ryan with 0

    • SENSsmile

      Once again, great coaching. Way to go, Maclean! /sarc.

  • T K

    I guess that Vermie misses playing here

  • Colin

    EK again. He let Vermette walk right by him.

  • Sensnation

    Karlsson was a total pylon on that play! He’s awesome but sometimes I wonder if he’s good enough to make this into a cup team. Can’t half ass it like that!

  • FistsofNeil25

    I love Bobby Ryan, but I hope we trade him before we lose him for nothing as a UFA. There’s no chance in hell he’s going to resign here.

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      Nope not a chance. He’s gone.

    • esk

      we are fucked if he leaves. i dont think he will though..but anything is possible. we should sign him asap. get some good news

      • FistsofNeil25

        What makes you think he will stay though? He’s our best forward but he doesn’t get the ice time here that he deserves. We don’t offer him a legitimate chance at winning a Cup, and we likely aren’t willing to offer him the kind of money that he could garner on the open market. I don’t see any reason for him to stay.

        He could probably get around 7.5 million as a UFA from a legitimate cup contender. Until Melynk shows a willingness to spend, we’ll never be considered a contender.

  • laffin681021

    When will the pain stop?

  • Frank

    Love EK but man he sucks in front of his own net. Constantly lets guys fire right by him. I just get a feeling guys like him miss Alfie. How can your Captain (Spezza) even come close to telling Karlsson what he did wrong there when he dogs it 3/4 of the time himself? This team is in shambles…

  • SuckitPhaneuf

    Spezza should be benched next game for not clearing the puck off the glass and out on the penalty kill leading to the tying goal
    We just keep finding ways to lose
    Cameron should be fired by midnight

    • Luc Wolfe

      condra got a penalty 3 mins left in the game…. thats ******** stupid…

      • SuckitPhaneuf

        how many power play chances did we get before that which produced nothing?
        and first rule of defensive hockey is get the puck out off the glass/boards when killing a power play. Don’t just pass it back to the point for them

        • Luc Wolfe

          dont get a penalty with less then 5mins to go when you struggle with leads.

      • John_Q_Spartan

        Not only did he get a penalty… he got a penalty for cross-checking a player in the head, in the corner, for no particular reason. No excuse, he should be held accountable, and made an example of.

  • Luc Wolfe

    this lost is all on condra dumb penalty

    • SENSsmile

      Actually, it was a team effort. Spezza screwed up completely when he could have cleared the puck. This is what resulted in the tying goal. Then, in the OT, he was totally useless (again) as he let Vermette take over and finish the game. Brutal!

  • FistsofNeil25

    I’ve almost had enough. I’ve been able to stay positive all season but I’m personally almost at my breaking point. This just isn’t our season. There’s not much else to say. Whatever could go wrong, has gone wrong.

  • John_Q_Spartan

    What a horrible team to watch. Condra needs to sit in the press box, what a selfish, loathesome, penalty to take.

  • SuckitPhaneuf

    this loss is on spezza for not clearing the puck
    and Cameron having no clue how to mount an effective power play

  • FistsofNeil25

    There’s no point in finger pointing. We played a decent game but it just seems that any time we make a mistake, the puck finds the back of our net. Almost everyone is to blame for this mess of a season.

    • Mat

      Would be nice if our goalies could steal a game or two once in a while.

  • SuckitPhaneuf

    no, i am sticking with blaming spezza and cameron

  • Frank

    It’s pretty simple if you ask me. Good teams find ways to win. Bad teams find ways to lose. This is a bad team, period.

  • karlssens

    The season is a write off. Let’s take the positives, sell assets, and complete the rebuild. I’ve seen enough of greening and condra. Seriously, what do they do?

    Also, if I see any more hate oh karlsson I’ll loose it. The guy has more points than anyone else other than Ryan. He’s human, and will make mistakes. Be happy we have him.

    • SENSsmile

      I agree with most of your points, except for the rebuild part. When they gave up Silfverberg and their 2014 first pick for Ryan, they completely screwed up their so-called rebuild. The most frustrating part is that they will end up in the bottom 5 at the rate they’re going and they won’t even have a first pick as consolation prize. Other than that, I think Spezza is a total mess and he’s doing more harm than good to the team this year. Again, he was brutal this afternoon.

    • SENSsmile

      The rebuild was screwed up when they gave away Silfverberg and their 2014 first pick for Ryan. The worse part is that they will probably finish in the bottom 5 the way they’re going this year and they won’t even get a consolation prize for that.

    • SENSsmile

      I guess the moderators won’t allow me to say that the Sens screwed up on their rebuild, by giving up Silfverberg and their no. 1 draft pick for 2014. This is my third attempt…

  • SuckitPhaneuf

    this is agood team that is playin badly
    We need some better coaching and the RIGHT people being held accountable

    • Frank

      Disagree. A good team plays badly for small stretches. This is a 40 game stretch of poor play. Time to admit we overrated this team. They played above their heads last season, especially between the pipes. Everything has come crashing back down to earth and we now see what they really are

    • SENSsmile

      Agreed. What was MacLean thinking by putting 20-year old Pageau at the face-off circle against Vermette, one of the league’s best face-off players in the league?

      Again, more stupid errors that cost goals. Who’s going to teach Cowen not to block shots 5 feet in front of his goaltender, especially not on a PK with two minutes left in the game?

      And Spezza now. Funny that he was on the ice for the Coyote’s tying and winning goals. As usual, he looked completely helpless. What was he today? Minus 3 or 4?

      Man, those Sens are so kind to their ex-players… this time, they rolled out the welcoming mat for Vermette.

      Once again, the team gives up at least 4 goals. Where the #$% is the defence?

      Groundhog Day… again!

      • Sandy

        Spezza’s +/- was 0… so sorry to disappoint you.
        The only minus players at -1 were Karlsson, Ryan & Cowen… So troll away with that..

        • SENSsmile

          I’m not trolling, so thank you for correcting me. I’m frustrated, that’s all. Spezza was clearly visible in the Sens’ zone for at least three Coyote goals, where he should have been helpful but was not — most especially at critical points which led to the tying and winning goals. I’m pissed off right now and I think I at least have the right to express that.

          • runningbear1974

            Yeah, i’m feeling very angry towards Spezza…. I don’t believe in him…

          • Jacques

            He isn’t helpful at all. maybe in 12 games when he gets his next gaol!

          • Jacques

            Goal…

  • laffin681021

    Always hope for the second half of the season right?

  • General Dreedle

    another afternoon game – another loss

  • luckan20

    Bullshit about 1st or 2nd half fantasy or dreams. We can’t hold leads or can’t stop goals leak or poor execution in PP or PK is rock bottom or reduce turn overs or the top players can’t be ones to be trusted on ice.

    Coaching is non existent.

    • Frank

      What????

      • luckan20

        You did not understand dummy….

        • PraiseAlfie11

          I come here to avoid name calling. Don’t damage your name with name calling around here.

          • luckan20

            If you have crush on that sucker be it. You mind your own self.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            What the hell does this even mean?

            Did someone lace my drink?!?

          • PraiseAlfie11

            He’s obviously an illiterate slob. Cant string a proper sentence together, nor an insult. Lol.

  • Sandy

    I can’t really comment on the game as I only saw bits and pieces.

    They seem to be playing okay… and I thought when they were up 2-0 they had a chance.
    I did see the OT goal… Clean face-off win by Vermette.. Was he that good in Ottawa? I remember him having trouble putting a puck in the net… today he had 3..
    Andy had to have that.. This team has no confidence as it is… and goals like that just hurt more.. I have no confidence in him this season. I don’t know what happened to him.
    IF Melnyk is indeed asking payroll to be trimmed…. then he needs to sell the team. You can’t be competitive in the NHL unless you are properly financing a team…
    If he continues to own it.. and cheap it out… we will continue to keep seeing what we are seeing today. Players will leave… fans won’t go…. Sens will leave.
    If this team is as bad off as he says they are.. then they have to be getting revenue sharing if the losses are what he claims. If they aren’t getting revenue sharing … then they are making a profit and he is putting that money elsewhere and not back in the team. I wish the NHL could step in and do something… anything… Melnyk saved this franchise and I thank him for that… but right about now.. I’m close to hating him. He cost us Alfie.
    As for what was given up for Ryan.. if he re-signs it is worth it. I don’t think anyone in this draft class will be as good as he is.. IF he will not sign, I really don’t think he can be traded. It’s known league wide he wants to play in Philly… So what other team is going to give up a lot to get him knowing full well they will probably lose him to UFA. Philly won’t trade for him.. Why would they. They will just wait until he is a UFA and sign him for free.. It was a risky trade…. let’s hope he stays…

    • WaitingSince92

      Vermette has always been an outstanding face off guy, in Ottawa too.

  • T K

    Sens may not have won but at least I felt that I got good value for dollar

  • Sandy

    Going to the game on Monday against Pitts. It had better be Lehner in net…

  • Sandy

    So McLean says special teams were the difference today… Couldn’t stop on the PK and couldn’t score on the PP.. What does that tell you Mr. Murray.. Dave Cameron has to be let go..

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    This team misses Alfie so much. Like these guys need him.

    • Sandy

      You can thank Melnyk for that one..

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Sens are a point out of a playoff spot though.

    The East is real weak this season.

    • Frank

      Um, no they aren’t. They are 4 points out

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        No. They aren’t. They’re one point out.

        But have played three more games.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I don’t think you understand how the new playoff system works. The top three teams from each division make the playoffs. Yes we’re one point back of Philly, but because they’re top three in their division it’s not them we’re chasing right now.

          We’re chasing the Leafs who are 4 points ahead of us. Even if we had 37 or 38 points right now to Philly’s 36, we would still be outside looking in.

          • hq8

            yikes. i knew it was bad, didnt know it was that bad.

      • Sandy

        With the Leafs losing in a shootout… the Sens are again 5 pts back…

    • hq8

      yea one point behind but have played 3 more games. they are done.
      the sens opened up a nice window of opportunity when they beat st. louis. all they had to do was beat NJD and FLA in regulation. they fucked it up royally while the teams that they were going to get in position to leap frog all kept up pace, TOR beat PHX in SO, PHI beat CBJ. and best of all, sens lost to NJD and FLA, bringing FLA within reach and giving NJD the two points they needed to keep pace.

      tonight again, they could have kept pace, but they blew it again. its one thing to lose a hard fought game. its another when your captain has the puck on his stick and all the time in the world and fails to clear it 200 ft down.

      shameful – even shameful cant do justice to how royally the sens are fucking up this season all by themselves. cant blame the owner for any of it. he shelled out enough to give them a roster good enough on paper to make the playoffs. not to mention that the summer acquisitions have all performed well. its the crap sens brought over from last season has shit royally and every night its a different one. tonight it was spezza’s turn to finally impact a game negatively. previously its been Chris Neil (NJD), Phillips, Cowen, Anderson.

      just pathetic.

      • Sandy

        … and goaltending has nothing to do with it?

        • hq8

          yea that too……anderson clearly playing at fringe backup levels.

          again. im as much as BM fan as anyone else here for his drafting and development and some of his trade savvy. but i think he is still a very conservative GM amongst an army of clever, shrewd and sharp GMs across the league. he really should have looked hard at the goaltending last season and maybe he should have kept all three Bishop, Anderson and Lehner going into the playoffs and dealt Andy at the draft. or if he really wanted to, should have dealth him at the deadline last year. quite frankly, Bishop and Lehner had already carried the team into playoff contention. the writing really was on the wall and a good number of people asking the question. it needed a bold move…….not a Bishop trade to TB for Cory Conacher. Yzerman basically outgunned BM in that trade significantly if you take into account what Bishop has now done for TB.

          • peetypuck

            Aren’t you writing off Conacher kind of early. He’s only in his sophomore year. As I recall, Kyle Turris didn’t break any records his first year.

          • hq8

            KT was a third overall pick who had shown his real colors in his 2nd last season with PHX where in the playoffs he caught Paul Maclean’s eye – that was when Maclean was still with DET in 2011 as assistant and PHX nearly gave detroit the scare. i believe he was the top scorer on his team in that series.

            what is conacher’s portfolio? flash in the pan playing next to Martin St.Louis in TB? he is the single most rotated player on the sens lineup and cant find chemistry with anyone. to think that sens management actually dumped Zibanejad to the AHL to start this season by saying he was outplayed by Conacher+SDC+Pageau is horrifying and in hindsight beyond laughable.

            so sorry i think its not writing off early at all. the purpose of bringing him was to help scoring. he hasnt done that in any way yet. Wayne Scanlan stated his stats before the game today: 30 games now without a goal – hell Chris Neil has more goals than conacher let alone Zibanejad.

          • peetypuck

            For your information he was the leading rookie last year when he was traded. He scored 3 goals in 8 games in the playoffs for Ottawa. In his last full year in the AHL (2011-12) he had 39g – 41asst for 80 points. I believe he won the scoring championship too. I fail to see where you get off calling out Conacher’s portfolio. By the way, ever heard of the sophomore jynx?

          • hq8

            sophomore jynx or not – he has been given way much more opportunity by the sens, especially next to Spezza. if sens coaching and management tried to give Zibanejad as much opportunity in the top 6, maybe they are a tad bit happier right now.
            did you know that corey locke also led the AHL in the scoring category multiple times? yea……much didnt happen.

            Conacher, ever since he left TB has been in a slump. in fact his cold spell was in even before the trade.

            yea maybe at some point the guy clicks again and is the “little engine that does” all over again. but right now for the sens, sending Bishop off for a guy who really doesnt seem to be fitting in now or in the future is a bad deal. it will always be a bad deal especially because of Bishop’s in-division impact now.

            also you quote his playoff performance – dont forget all the goalie interference penalties he took then too. almost replaced Nick Foligno in that expertise.

            he is not a fit in the sens top 6 and he is definitely not a fit in the sens bottom 6 – its not working out.

          • peetypuck

            It doesn’t seem to be working out for most of the Sens this year. Corey Locke? Now you’re cherry picking. Jason Spezza also won the scoring championship in the AHL. That didn’t seem to keep him from making the NHL. If you want to cherry pick let’s talk about Martin St Louis. A future Hall of Famer that nobody wanted when he was a young guy. The point is, Cory Conacher is Cory Conacher, not Corey Locke or Martin St. Louis.

          • Sandy

            Another point was that Martin St. Louis actually visited the Sens as a tryout when he was coming into the NHL.. and they didn’t keep him…

          • peetypuck

            Exactly. All I’m saying is that Conacher deserves a chance. We shouldn’t judge him by his size.

          • hq8

            im not judging him by his size. its very simple: production is the reason he was traded for and not Ryan Jones and EDM’s 2nd. production is not what the sens have got out of him. on the other hand, Bishop is helping TB into the playoffs, in our own division.

          • Sandy

            It’s a lot more than Bishop…

          • peetypuck

            I’m a lot more concerned whether Bobby Ryan will re-sign with the Sens.

          • runningbear1974

            agree… We should be trying to figure out what will make him want to stay with us… I think playing with Turris will help because he seems to like him, and seems to like playing with him…

          • peetypuck

            10 million dollars a year.

          • peetypuck

            There’s not much wrong with our production. 3rd(?) in the division? It’s our goals against that is the problem.

          • hq8

            yes cory conacher is cory conacher and he is not working out for the sens. this is not an indictment of conacher, this is an indictment of Bryan Murray for now loading up the roster with another prospect basically while there are others already waiting (Stone, Hoffman, Pageau) and then also putting conacher ahead of Zibanejad. AND then finally back-tracking to last week to admit he wanted Zibanejad in top 6 role.
            remember, they brought him to help scoring, not to re-do what TB had done before last season – i.e. develop him.

          • peetypuck

            I can think of some other Sens players that need to go before pointing the figure at him……..Condra……Michalek …. for starters.

          • Sandy

            I guess fans have to blame somebody…

          • SENSsmile

            I haven’t given up on Conacher. What I like about him is that he tries really hard all the time. He needs to get his confidence back…

          • runningbear1974

            I agree he tries real hard on the ice… and in his interviews he tries real hard to not look upset…

          • Simple Jack

            Bishop would be no better than anderson on this current roster. the problem is that every one of our defencemen think they’re Eric Karlsson. pinching in skating to and around the net (im looking at you chris phillips and jarrod cowen) our puck blunders create a crazy amount of odd man rushes and breakaways. let eric karlsson be eric karlsson, the rest of the d need to play defence. Cody Ceci has single handedly turned chris philips into a useful player again, not sure how the 19 year old managed that, but he did.

            As for all of you questioning IF we still had bishop than look at lehners numbers lately, and lehner is the better goalie. remember on multiple occasions bishop letting in 6 goals per game against the leafs to boot.

            as for bobby ryan, he’ll be fine. Turris and bobby click and turris is signed long term. i’m happy we made the ryan trade.

          • Sandy

            Agree.. the Sens D has given up way to many prime scoring chances.
            Bishop is playing behind a better defense… and that makes a difference..

            Although I expect some will disagree..

          • peetypuck

            That’s the problem with such a young, inexperienced defence. Over the long term I expect them to be very good.

  • peetypuck

    Is Melnyk really the reincarnation of Harold Ballard?

    • Sandy

      Well … Ballard actually had money.

      • Guest

        Both Ballard and Melnyk were/are eccentric. Check
        Both Ballard and Melnyk made outrageous statements. Check
        Both Ballard and Melnyk got punished for financial misdemeanours. Check.
        Ballard had a crazy wife/girlfriend, Yolanda. Melnyk, divorce. Uncheck.
        Ballard traded away his best players and treated rest like crap. Half-check, ALfie.
        Ballar treated media like garbage, Melnyk treats his local fans like garbage, prefers Fan590.
        So yeah, there are kinda parallels. Both are loons and cheap. I’m ready for a new owner please, this not spending to the cap is going to cripple us.

      • peetypuck

        Haha. Yes, apparently he embezzled it from the Leafs and his partner.

  • Pasky

    sums up the season pretty good…

    hockeybuzz.com/blog/Travis-Yost/Game-Summary/134/56598

  • Roar…

    I think far too often people try to boil things down to microcosms instead of looking at the bigger picture. Statistically, Ottawa according to extraskater.com had one of it’s best games of the season today possession wise. We basically had our way with the Coyotes at even strength.

    So here are some simple facts about this team:
    1. We are decent on the PP at 19% and ranked 11th overall
    2. We are below 80% on the PK and in the bottom 5 in the league (woefully bad)
    3. Lehner is better than Anderson this year, especially on the PK. He needs to start more games and get into a groove.
    4. We’re still only 4 points out of a playoff spot.
    5. Until we get a new owner, or until the Euge decides to spend properly – this team will be a 6th-8th place to fringe playoff team.
    6. We’re 1-2 top four defenders and a top six forward away from being a good team.
    7. We’re a young and inconsistent team who made the playoffs last year because our goaltenders played out of their minds stealing roughly 10 games.

    X -Spezza-Zibanejad
    MacArthur-Turris-Ryan

    Karlsson-Methot
    Ceci-Cowen/Wier

    And you can fill in the rest how you like. The big six and the big four are the guys who have to win you games. I think we’re quite capable of winning a lot of games, but we need to remember this team is young. Spezza may be moved before Ottawa’s “elite competition” window actually opens. If he’s moved it’ll hopefully be for a 24-25 year old two-way 200 foot winger. A guy who can play great at both ends of the ice similar to a Kyle Turris. That might even be the best move long-term for this team. It is what it is.

    What we should do… is STOP BEING SO DAMN STRESSED OUT. All the stress is coming from expectations being raised far too high to start the season. Like losing Alfie & Gonchar wouldn’t affect the team. I was guilty of it too. However, if we can all be a little more understanding and take back some of the pressure off our group of players things will go better. They aren’t ready to be elite yet. Give them time to grow. Part of the reason they’re struggling this year is all those guys in the locker room are putting insane amounts of pressure on themselves to be something they aren’t really ready to be yet.

    • hq8

      Melnyk, you could argue, spent enough to make the sens better than their last two regular seasons. MacArthur and Ryan are easily out-producing Alfie+Silf of last year. also, sens definitely right now are not a 6th to 8th place team, more like a 13th place-15th place team.

      also, if we are STILL looking for a top 6 forward then who failed in the team roster evaluation this summer? Bryan Murray? or Spezza let him down badly? or Bryan Murray made a moronic move trading Ben Bishop for Cory Conacher in the same division?

      its not simple the way you make it out to be. what is simple though is that this team is blowing the opportunity, its blowing a useful year in Bobby Ryan and EK65′s contracts. its also blowing a very useful year out of a very bargain-basement contract with MacArthur.

      also if we are a young inconsistent team which enjoyed maybe Anderson’s best career year last season, should we not have traded him instead of Bishop knowing Anderson’s past history of flopping right after a good year?

      one thing is for sure, the sens paper roster should be good for 3-5th in the east given performance over the last two seasons. its the players and the team that raised the expectations, not the other way around. good performance should be at the very least repeatable, otherwise Paul Maclean is a shit coach who won the Jack Adams on a fluke. cant have it every way.

      • Sandy

        They had the top 6 forward in Alfie.. but let him walk and getting nothing in return… That’s on Melnyk’s budget..
        As for trading Bishop for Conacher… yeah hindsight is a wonderful thing.
        I get why they kept Andy and traded Bishop.. Trading Lehner was not an option.. The Sens didn’t want to keep two young goalies without a lot of experience.. Having both Bishop & Lehner now — would things have been different?
        Sens defense should have been the big question mark.
        Bishop is playing behind a pretty good D in Tampa… Both Lehner & Andy have been playing behind a greatly struggling D who give up high quality shots.. And that’s probably the difference..
        Sens are 3rd in the Eastern Conference in goals for… so that’s not the problem… They are 2nd last in the NHL in goals against. The only team worse is Edmonton and that’s by 1 goal.
        Sens PP is 11th in the NHL… @ 19%. Their PK is 26h @ 78.2..
        Compared to the short season last year.. where the Sens PK was 1st in the NHL @ 88% and their PP was 20th.
        That tells me issue is goaltending and TEAM defense that is the issue. Melnyk should have allowed Murray to get that top 4 D in the offseason…
        He is trying to run this team on a shoestring budget and that doesn’t work if most of the other teams in your conference are spending near the cap…

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          You like to play the holier than thou card a lot…. MANY people around here said last year that they would prefer to have traded Anderson…. Not everyone supported the deal.

          Also love that you say the Alfie fiasco is all on Melnyks budget… No chance Alfie wanted to explore other options…. There are normally at least three sides to every story, you have the two obvious ones here, and then the truth likely lies somewhere in the middle….. Or who knows in this situation could be completely out to left field

        • hq8

          again we cant have it every which way we want. anderson cannot be the goalie to stick with last season and then be the shit starter this season. so the hard decision had to be made last season, hindsight be damned. also, TB chose to go with two young goalies in Bishop and Lindback……what happened there?

          and quite frankly, anderson is not making even the simple saves, so that starts to discount D troubles.

          also your claim that TB is playing with a better D than Ottawa is highly dubious. nothing on TB defense that stands out. i mean having EK65 up front completely negates any notions of TB defense being better. what you can say though is that the TB defense is getting the job done for sure.

          and Melnyk should have allowed Murray to get a top 4D this summer? who was a top 4D available as a UFA anyways? also what makes you think Bryan Murray wanted another top 4D outside of what he already had? if he did want another top 4D he wouldnt have signed both JC2 and PW46 to the contracts he signed them to. not to mention he also signed Gryba likely pencilled in for a 3rd pairing role.

          the suggestion that somehow EM’s internal budget is causing this mess is beyond ridiculous. good performance should be repeatable at the very very very least and the sens are not able to repeat even half of the good they did the last two seasons. has nothing to do with budget. no matter who you ask, the consensus is that this sens paper roster is better than any roster they have had since the 2007 SCF. the simple fact is that this team is underperforming and its being exceptionally gutless. Spezza could have made a simple clutch play to save his team tonight by clearing that puck. instead he shot it right at the PHX D-man. that is underperforming as a captain, as a centreman on the PK, being lazy etc. etc. whatever.

          • Sandy

            What Tampa did was their choice, not the Sens choice.
            Last season Tampa picked in the top 3 of the draft… and not too long before than they selected 1st overall.
            I find with Tampa they are really good or really bad… no inbetween.
            If Tampa decided that.. then that’s up to them. I believe Lindback had a couple of seasons as backup in Nashville… did he not?

          • hq8

            #facepalm
            TB doesnt get a starting goalie from their division rival if the sens chose to trade Bishop to EDM or better yet: KEEP HIM instead of Andy.

            i feel like you have a lot of tangential excuses to cover up for the sens obviously stupid moves. a good example of how to deal with a potential starting goalie is to see what vancouver did with Schneider: SEND HIM ACROSS THE CONTINENT …. so you only see him twice in a season and he doesn’t have more than 2 games worth of direct impact on your standings. EDM actually wanted Schneider, but the Canucks refused.

            this has little to do with even what calibre of player Conacher is. its more to do with how the sens are now in a semi-pickle with their goaltending. Anderson is 33 and is now in a downward year. the sens had a chance to keep two young guys competing hard for the top job.

            its funny. BM got Bishop to light a fire under Lehner. you know what Yzerman stated as his reason for acquiring Bishop? to compete with Lindback for the starter job. its even funnier that Nonis said the same thing after acquiring Bernier.

            you get the biggest goalie in the league who is pretty damn good – YOU KEEP HIM and trade the 33yr old who is known to have bad seasons immediately after good ones.

          • Sandy

            BM got Bishop as Andy was injured long term and Auld was not capable of backing up Lehner.. Not to light a fire under Lehner.
            No one needs to light a fire under Lehner.. he is fully capable of that himself..
            Bishop had 36 NHL games under his belt when he was traded and had about the equivalent of 1 NHL season of practice with the NHL team. . Bernier had double that in games and having 3 and a half seasons of backing up Quick.. so more time to learn..
            I would assume if Bishop was playing in front of this Sens D — he would also be struggling.
            But then again you will disagree with that
            This is getting very frustrating.
            I’m getting pretty sick and tired of every aspect of this team from players to coaches to management being trashed after every fuckin’ loss.

            Are they struggling — Yes.. No one is going to argue that fact.. but all of this crap is getting pretty old..

          • runningbear1974

            i agree… i’m pretty sure there was plenty of discussion about conacher, and alfie, and whatever… We should be talking about what can we do with conacher? can we maximize his usage? should we trade him for something?

          • hq8

            i think you have your historics around the Bishop trade crossed. when andy chopped himself while making chicken, auld was the backup and had proven beyond doubt that he cant run with the starter role. in the meanwhile, Lehner was churning through his sophomore slump after winning the calder trophy with Bingo and also because he was partially pissed at the sens org for sending him down again after winning in the AHL. BM decided that he did not want what was at that time bad-attitude Lehner on the big team. so he decided to trade his 2nd rounder for Bishop who was basically the starter down the stretch until Andy came back. and then again last season, Bishop was given the backup job ahead of Lehner. one of the clearly stated reasons at that time by BM was that he wanted the presence of Bishop to drive up Lehner’s compete level for the NHL job.

            so if the clock was ticking on Bishop anyways why did they not just trade him before the start of last season? I mean Lehner eventually did find his way into the team right?

            honestly, given hindsight and given Andy’s #s last season in a small sample size, BM would be hard pressed to make a bold tough decision. but i think its still unforgivable that he traded that sort of goaltending mayhem within the division. that is the most damning result out of it all really. its not conacher, its not even anderson vs bishop, its that Bishop ended up in the same division.

      • Roar…

        You’re full of hindsight bias and most of your comments are retarded. This is not a 13th-15th place team. They’re pulling 15th place underlying numbers league wide, and improving (good for 6th-8th in the conference). No, it’s not Murray’s fault. He did the best he could. He’s not allowed to spend more than the 29th level of salary in the league. That’s where the year is being blown. Imagine this team with Alfie & another solid top four like Andrew Ference. We’d be winning lots more games. You can talk about Anderson vs. Bishop all you want. Tell me you would have pulled the trigger? I was one of the FEW who suggested Anderson was at peak value and it might be time to cash in. In the end I came down against it because Ottawa has never had a goalie that good and he was solid for 2 straight seasons – not to mention carried us in the playoffs. Imagine the effect on the dressing room if you send that guy packing. It leaves a bad taste in the mouth. Yeah though – you totally know how to GM a hockey team. Talking about Anderson’s history is total balls because everyone here knows you wouldn’t have had the mindset to trade him either. The negatives outweighed the risk of him not performing up to par. If you’re claiming you saw his struggles this year coming you’re equally full of shit. Nobody did.

        Edit: That’s why you and everyone else (myself included) had Ottawa’s goaltending as near tops in the league before this year started.

  • hq8

    something that may work and drive a bit more intensity is demote Spezza back to Assistant Captain and have a three assist Captain system going for the remainder of this year. See who comes out of it wanting to lead this team more.

  • Gordon Ramsli

    Well we played well but I still believe changes need to be made on our roster we have a log jam of prospects and we still need to be a budget team. I think some moves need to be made to team and promotion if we are gonna regain form & make a playoff run & build for the future..

    Kassian: needs to be waived or sent off for a high round pick

    I firmly believe Ottawa has to kinda decide between Gryba or PW46 who ever is the castaway goes for a prospect/pick

    Boro: deserves a roster spot was demoted when he deserved to stay and play. My image of him is Chris Neil but on Defense.

    Ceci: In my opinion is NHL ready but is a risk as well he will have his good nights where he benefits our team and then he will have his nights where he will cost us a goal or a game. AHL or NHL he should be on our roster by next season.

    Grant: Impressed me more then I expected him to and I sadly believe he makes Condra expendable, Alternatively Combining Grant & Conda with a high tempo prospect could also make for a explosive defensive 4th line

    If were truly a budget team then why aren’t we using our prospect who are willing to fight and play with passion to fill our voids on rosters

    My lineup for success.

    Conacher – Spezza – Zibanejad

    MacArthur – Turris – Ryan

    Greening – Smith – Neil

    Michalek – Grant – Condra/Ceci

    Karlsson – Methot

    Cowen – Boro

    Phillips – Corvo

    Gryba/PW46

    I say Ceci as a 12th forward because he could be valuable to our team as a 7th defenseman to help shelter our young defense a bit more also useful to make him a Powerplay specialist him & Karlsson with some Chemistry could do wonders for our Powerplay.

    • hq8

      “If were truly a budget team then why aren’t we using our prospect who are willing to fight and play with passion to fill our voids on rosters”

      because we have a capable group of veteran leaders who will get us out of this pickle……..not

    • Sandy

      Why bring all of those rookies up into a stressful situation. Ceci is groomed to be a defensemen not a forward.
      If this team is always a budget team then expect what we are today… will be what we are in the future. A struggling team who can’t win against the other teams in the conference who spend to the cap. As the cap goes up… those teams will just bring in the best players as they can and will spend..
      If the Sens lose Ryan.. then close the door on CTC as the fans will leave… and so will the team…

  • hq8

    tor detroit 3 point game ……. the window is going shuttttt

  • Jacques

    How did Gryba play today? Not too shabby!

    This season is pretty much over, turn the team over to the young guys! It will spark my interest and our fan base’s too.

  • Jacques

    4-15-19-22-25-41 time to move on Murray finish what you started, finish the rebuild. If you build it they will come!

    • Sandy

      IMO… as long as Melnyk owns this team… and for what he did to Alfie… the fans will not come back as before..

      • Jacques

        Time to clean house Sandy , stop denying this. SPEZZA really sucks, don’t let the odd goal fool YA! There is more to hockey than that! I would trade him once the freeze is over and then move 4-25 at the deadline.

        • Jacques

          Fans want a team that competes hard

        • Sandy

          You do that.. the Sens are out of the playoffs for the next 5 yrs or more.
          I don’t want to come on this site for the next several years reading the trashing of these young kids as you guys can’t take a struggling team.

          They will spend the next 5-10 seasons trying to find another #1 centre.. if they ever do…
          Sure sell off the vets at a low price.. How the hell is that going to help?

          • hq8

            actually, he has a point, Spezza barely played last season and the sens made the playoffs and then he also missed the first round and the sens won the first round.

            but i still wont trade Spezza, he is a definite 1st line centreman and those dont come easy at all.

          • Sandy

            How about goaltending standing on their head.
            You don’t think that was the main reason?
            Or, are you saying that the only reason the Sens made the playoffs was that Spezza wasn’t playing? That’s ridiculous.

          • SENSsmile

            I don’t know why you’re defending Spezza so much. And please don’t call me a troll just because I happen to disagree with you. I think Spezza is a good player, but he needs to play on a winning team. He’s not a clutch player and he’s certainly not a leader, as we can see quite clearly this year. He’s still very much a defensive liability and MacLean is trying to change him into someone he’s not. I think now would be a good time to trade him, because there is probably still a demand for him from teams that are gunning for a Stanley Cup in 2014. Maybe the Sens could trade him for a few good picks, including a no. 1 pick for 2015, which is supposed to be a good year according to experts. The longer the Sens keep him this year, the less attractive he will become to other teams. Let’s face it, he’s not that attractive: I don’t see his name anywhere near Team Canada for the Olympics. He’s detrimental to the Sens right now. He needs to go ASAP IMHO.

          • Sandy

            Okay. then I’ll just sit back and read you ridiculing Turris as he’s not a #1 centre.. Many said that last season..
            So you assume he’s not a good leader 2 1/2 mos into his captaincy. You don’t think he should be given longer time?
            Did Alfie step into the captaincy and was excellent right away?
            It’s obvious I don’t agree with the Spezza haters…
            I said.. they trade him and others… Ryan is gone… He won’t stay around on a team going nowhere for about 5 yrs ..

          • runningbear1974

            Alfie became a good leader by working hard… On the ice and in the gym… Spezza doesn’t display any working hard on the ice, and i have no idea what he does in the gym… Alfie became a better player… If everyone played like Alfie, we would have a good team… If everyone played like Spezza we’d have a bad team…

          • SENSsmile

            Bingo! (no pun intended :-)

          • runningbear1974

            Some players make the coaches look bad… Make everyone look bad… And feel bad… I’m more worried about these bad feelings as contributing towards Ryan wanting to leave…

          • SENSsmile

            There seems to be a general consensus (almost unanimous) that Spezza needs to go now. There’s a reason for him to be a lightning rod, because he’s everything that is wrong with the team right now: gives up easily, makes awful plays, doesn’t work hard, doesn’t backcheck, plays like he’s afraid of getting hurt, etc. etc.

          • runningbear1974

            I would really like to explore reasons why Ryan would want to stay with us… I’m not sure how Spezza factors in…. I don’t think anyone enjoys playing with Spezza… The way he moves on the ice… “I’ll go hang out by the boards, you crash the net, you pressure the puck and get it back to me, i’ll be hanging out by the boards overthere”

          • Sandy

            The team will be in a major re-build if Spezza and the others you want to see gone.. Why would Ryan want to sit around for 5 yrs of a re-build… he wouldn’t.
            Philly will have a better team and have more success and that is his home…
            That’s why he is gone if this team re-builds..

          • runningbear1974

            Yeah i agree if we trade away 5 guys then who knows what would happen… But, if we only trade Spezza away, wouldn’t be that much of a problem…Wouldn’t take 5 years… Maybe not even 1 year… Especially if the trade brought us a good player (top 4 d), or Evander Kane…

          • Sandy

            You guys say he sucks.. so why would a good player be coming back.
            Something else you guys are overlooking is Spezza has a NTC.

          • SENSsmile

            Something you’re overlooking: Spezza was practically begging Murray to get him out of Ottawa a few years ago because he was upset with the crowd booing him. He will waive his NTC in a hearbeat if enough fans show him less love.

            I’m not saying that to be mean. Look, it can be a win-win situation. Just because it’s not working here doesn’t mean it wouldn’t work for him elsewhere, and in exchange the Sens could get a few valuable assets — either for now or a few years down the road.

          • runningbear1974

            Spezza would definitely get something good in return… We have other pieces we could pitch in too…
            Need him to waive that NTC somehow…

          • SENSsmile

            In essence, you’re saying that Spezza needs to stay to keep Ryan company. I’m sorry, but that doesn’t make any sense. Ryan will stay if and only he feels that the Sens can become a contender. You seem to be putting an awful lot of importance on Spezza as an important piece of the Sens’ make-up as a contender. You need to open your eyes to the fact that Spezza is now 30 years old. You can’t compare him to Alfredsson who was about 25 when he became captain for the Sens. Alfie worked damn hard to become a great player. Spezza, I’m sorry to say, is highly over-rated. The Sens did great without him last year and they’re doing poorly with him this year. That should be a bit of telling sign.

          • Sandy

            Contender? The Sens trade the vets for a small return.. ( you guys say they are so bad — so they won’t get a great return)… and you think with the young guys this team will be a contender?

            It will take 5 yrs or more for that to happen.
            If Spezza is traded then it is a full re-build and Ryan won’t hang around for that when his best years are in the next 5 yrs of his career. Why would he waste that on a re-bulding team? Answer — he wouldn’t.

            Ryan can go anywhere. He will be a UFA.. Teams will be lining up to pay him about 9M or more. Melnyk isn’t spending that on him.. Melnyk has no $$$.

            It took Chicago to miss 9 out of 10 playoff seasons before they made it to what they are today because they sucked for years…
            You guys couldn’t stand it for a young Sens team to miss the playoffs for 5 yrs let alone 9.

            .

          • Jacques

            Ryan is smart he’s on pace for his best year ever. His bread is being buttered by TUrris and Karlsson! Not the turnover king 19. Give Ryan some credit he can see 19 on the ice. I went to the. Detroit game a few weeks back and the whole section I was in was laughing at 19′s effort level.

          • runningbear1974

            This is crazy, but what if we made Ryan our captain ???

          • runningbear1974

            There are reasons the goaltenders played so well last year…
            1) our d was more dependable… This year Cowen, Phillips, Karlsson, WIercioch, Gryba, Corvo have all had bad games, and really bad moments…
            2) Last year we had Turris and Zibanejad controlling the centre of the ice for most of the game… Forcing the attackers to come up the wing…
            This year we has Spezza and Turris (ice times have been weird)… But, i’m blaming Spezza for not controlling the centre of the ice… I’m blaming him for hanging out on the boards… And therefore FORCING the attackers to come up the centre of the ice… Spezza gives up quality ice too easily…

          • hq8

            ofcourse goaltending stood on its head – goaltending made up of Robin Lehner and Ben Bishop while Anderson was injured along with Karlsson and Spezza.
            and no sens didnt make the playoffs because spezza was missing. having spezza during last season would have probably guaranteed the sens a much higher berth in the first round and maybe a healthier spezza would have given us a much longer 2nd round.

            if only everyone outside of spezza still played like last season including anderson, it would be quite the different atmosphere.

            spezza is part of designated core of this team and really they need to build around him. trading him would be a mistake. just like trading Bishop was a mistake or letting Chara go was a mistake. this team, if it wins the cup anytime in the next 5ish yrs will have to do it with spezza, not without him.

          • Jacques

            Oh please! Karlsson,Ceci,Methot,Boro,Wiercioch,Cowen,Claessen!

            Ryan,TUrris,MacArthur,Zibby,Lazar,Pageau,Stone,Hoffman,Prince,Greening,etc etc etc.

            You think losing 19-25-4-41 really sets us back! no it would set us up nicelytostart winning as of next year!

          • Sandy

            Claessen hasn’t even played an NHL game yet… Ceci has played less than 5. Prince hasn’t played a game either… Lazar is still in the CHL?
            You think this team will turn around and win as early as next year?
            How long do you think it takes a team that re-builds USUALLY makes the playoffs? Right away. The Sens did for the first 2 yrs…. but took a big step back this season.
            You get rid of the vets… this team will end up with Connor McDavid… then again.. that may help.

          • Jacques

            What do you not understand about hockey Sandy when you trade 4-15-19-22-25 and 41 you are getting players and picks back that you add to the list of good young players that we already have. I love Neil but he’s on the decline like Spezza. Get something for these 2 now.

          • Sandy

            I have been watching hockey since the 1960′s.. so don’t tell me I don’t know anything about hockey.
            You say these guys stink.. yet you want to trade them.. for players & picks?
            If they are so bad… as you insist they are.. then you’re not getting much of anything back… especially not good players…

          • Jacques

            Well I’m 47 lady, and I don’t know what you’ve liked about 19′s game this year cuz has flat out unpeskied our team!

          • Jacques

            Anything back will help us cuz the guys I mentioned are sucking the life out of our team! Just cuz you don’t want changes doesn’t make you more of a worthy fan than I am! Fan comes from FANATIC and. Want to win!

          • SENSsmile

            Exactly!

          • peetypuck

            I like the idea of getting Connor McDavid. I would favour the team dumping Spezza and going with a very young team next year. Maybe we could get another high pick for him.

          • Sandy

            Let’s trade Karlsson at the same time… could get a big return for him as well..

          • runningbear1974

            When the going gets tough, Karlsson steps it up… Tries hard… Makes bad mistakes, but no one would accuse him of not trying hard…

          • Sandy

            I was being sarcastic..

          • runningbear1974

            I understand… But people are always accusing Spezza of not trying hard enough… Not moving his legs…No one in the whole league is afraid of Spezza, he’s easy to manage…

          • peetypuck

            We could probably get a boatload for him but I don’t think I would trade a generational talent like him. Besides, he’s only 23 and is just hitting his prime.

          • SENSsmile

            Indeed, that would be a serious mistake and I don’t think the Sens would be that crazy. I’m convinced that EK65 is going to be the Sens’ franchise player for many years if they manage him properly.

          • SENSsmile

            No one is saying that. Personally, I can be quite forgiving with Karlsson’s defensive miscues because he’s an emerging superstar. That much is obvious. Spezza’s mistakes today are unforgivable. Never mind the penalty to Condra, it’s Spezza who had an easy opportunity to clear the puck out of his zone and he gave it up to the Coyote’s point man. Unbelievable that a guy with that much experience would end up doing such a stupid move!

          • Jacques

            Not trashing the young guys I want them to take over, open you’re eyes TUrris has been the number one center for 2years now. Ryan is happy next to him, nobody wants to play next to the turnover king.

          • Sandy

            They sell off all the vets you want… kiss Ryan goodbye.
            He won’t re-sign here… and it will be hard to trade him.. as teams know he can walk as a UFA.. they will just wait.

          • peetypuck

            My gut feeling tells me that Ryan will not re-sign with the Sens. He might sign with the Rangers, Islanders, Devils and of course the Flyers. I bet Garth Snow would love to have him on a line with Tavares and Vanek before the trade deadline. Strome and Reinert to Ottawa?

          • runningbear1974

            I don’t like the sound of your gut…

          • peetypuck

            Me neither but we have to be realistic. Melnyk will have to make a starting offer of $8 million with a big smile on his face at the same time. Is that possible?

          • SENSsmile

            I’m afraid you’re right, peetypuck. We need to face the fact that Murray and Melnk took a huge gamble on Ryan, giving up three valuable assets away, because they probably thought that they had found the right player for Spezza. As it turned out, Ryan is a great player, but Spezza is simply not good enough for him. So yes, I think Ryan will walk and Murray will have lost Silfverberg, Noesen and his 2014 no. 1 pick for absolutely nothing. The only way he can undo the damage is to get rid of Spezza and find another top 6 forward who can complement Turris, MacArthur and Ryan.

          • peetypuck

            I think Ryan would sign for a minimum of $10 million per year (this summer). Would Melnyk ante up that much?

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Jesus… I love Ryan probably as much if not more than most here… Wanted him to be our target during the Nash ordeal

            But minimum of 10 mil?!? Yikes

          • peetypuck

            Just think. We’re paying Michalek $6 million this year.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Yeah….just yeah lol

          • Sandy

            NOOOO he wouldn’t…

          • peetypuck

            That’s what concerns me.

          • runningbear1974

            Ryan is worth 8 million….

          • peetypuck

            Agreed but I said a starting offer.

          • runningbear1974

            make Ryan our captain… right now…

          • Sandy

            Why would any team trade for him when it’s known that he would prefer to be in Philly? They would end up losing him as well.
            Teams will just wait until he is a UFA and open a bidding war..

          • peetypuck

            I think the New York teams might have a chance at re-signing him, being so close to his home.

        • Aaron 2.0

          I’d actually entertain the idea because I just get the feeling he’ll never be part of a team that wins a cup. But, problem is you are selling low right now. I think you have to hang onto Spezza, work with him, and building around him.

          • runningbear1974

            Please don’t build around Spezza… I’m so sick of hearing that we’re more “skilled” then the other team and then losing… We’ve been more “skilled” for the last 20years starting with Yashin… No more Yashin… No more skill and no grit…

        • PraiseAlfie11

          Neil is NOT the problem with the team. We need to bottle up Neil’s tenacity and truckulence and have the rest of the team play as hard as he does.

          • Jacques

            Brian Burke what are you doing on here? Lol

          • peetypuck

            Neil’s a Senator until he retires.

      • hq8

        as long as the sens underperform, fans will not come to watch. its not toronto where you have a generational fan base which is basically groomed to support the leafs the moment they are born. in ottawa, team performance has direct correlation to fan base enthusiasm because most fans actually are in tune with the sens new 20 yr history. Melnyk was also the owner when the sellouts were happening last season and the season before. he was also the owner during the 2007 SCF. he had the budget in place last two yrs too. so did that stop fans from filling his coffers? no because the team was fun to watch and there was always that extra excitement of how much better they will get next game, next season and so on.

        you further factor in the fact that alot of people in ottawa are still leafs and habs fans and you have a smaller pie of people to engage and excite due to those groups predispositions. shit seasons like this one, especially where MTL and TOR are on the upswing will probably turn those fringe ones back to their original predispositions.

        how can you blame Melnyk when not so long ago these same fans wanted Alfie’s head lol

    • Sandy

      They are not trading Zack Smith. He’s liked by GM and coach. Just because he doesn’t score 20 goals a season…doesn’t mean he’s not helping the team..

      • Aaron 2.0

        I was actually thinking who would be trade-bait (while gift shopping) if they were going to make a move (couldn’t come up with many). Smith was one of the few I thought about. His value isn’t at an all-time low, like a lot of other players (no use in selling low; it’s just bad business). And, he’s more of a support character. Guys like this are important, but really, only if your team is a play-off bound contender. Right now, I think we only need to protect the core (since we’re still building). We’re strong a centre. I think he’s expendable, and people might actually bite at him. No clue what we are looking for in return. I’d personally probably just wait until the deadline to start moving players. But, I actually think Smith is slightly over-rated, at least when you look at advanced statistics.

        • Aaron 2.0

          Forgot to say this – GM liked Fisher, but didn’t stop from moving him when the time came, as he actually had value.

      • PraiseAlfie11

        I’m not happy with the way smith is playing to be honest. Maybe if he could clear a puck out of the zone on the first attempt, I would be more inclined to agree with you.

  • bob ray al cal don ed ken

    Jason Spezza 2013 = Joe Thornton 2005
    Boston went on to win a Cup – JS and JT never will.

    =============================================================

    San Jose sent forwards Marco Sturm and Wayne Primeau and defenseman Brad Stuart
    to the Bruins, sacrificing three members of their young core for
    Joe Thornton, a probable 2006 Canadian Olympian and three-time All-Star
    considered one of the NHL’s top power forwards.

    Thornton was
    stunned when general manager Mike O’Connell called his cell phone after
    Thornton had just finished dining with his parents in Boston. The
    26-year-old signed a three-year, $20 million contract in August with
    Boston, where he was the club’s captain for the last three seasons.
    ===============================================================

    • Sandy

      And where are those players that Boston got for Thornton. Didn’t look like a good return to me.
      Then they got Chara from the Sens when stupid… f’n Muckler let him walk..

      • runningbear1974

        They didn’t need to get good return… They just needed to get him off the team to change the dynamics…

        • Sandy

          Yeah he’s been a total flop on SJ.

          • runningbear1974

            He wasn’t a flop in Boston either…It just changed the dynamics… San Jose hasn’t won shit either… When Boston traded away Thorton that put them on a rebuild, meanwhile San Jose was trying to push for winning the cup… Somehow, Boston surpassed them, even though at the time of trade San Jose was better team and was getting better player… Bottom line… Someone has to get the quality ice time… Someone has to “represent” your team… Who do you want that to be? For me I like Turris, Zibanejad, Ryan…. those are the guys i want representing…

          • Sandy

            You trade Spezza and others to do another re-build.. there will be NO RYAN. He won’t stay.

          • runningbear1974

            Turris and Zibanejad are two awesome people and players… I can’t imagine why Ryan would like Spezza more than those guys… You have to go to battle day in day out, who do you want beside you?

          • Jacques

            Exactly!

          • Sandy

            It’s not that he would like Spezza better .. it’s the optics of a re-build if you trade your #1 centre..

            IF Spezza is traded we are re-building.. and Ryan won’t stay..

            And another point is… Melnyk will want him to sign cheap.. and that isn’t happening with Snider just waiting for him to give him whatever he wants..

          • runningbear1974

            My perspective… We are putting a lot of effort in our development program… We’ll have tons of guys like Condra, Greening available to us for cheap… Therefore, we’ll be able to use our money for good quality free agents or trades…. Sign big the important people…We’ll have to wait and see…

          • Sandy

            Other than McArthur… when was the last quality free agent that signed in Ottawa.. especially after a team that would trade it’s captain about 3 mos after he was appointed.
            Those optics look great.. don’t they.
            Melnyk is becoming a joke in the NHL with his mouth…

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            So mark Cuban is a joke for being a vocal and passionate owner? Jerry Jones too?

          • runningbear1974

            Gonchar
            Kovalev

          • runningbear1974

            If Ryan says he’ll only stay if we keep Spezza, then keep Spezza… Ryan is the most exciting forward we’ve had… He’s a winner…

          • Jacques

            Ryan wants to play with TUrris cuz he can hold onto the puck! Spezza doesn’t know possession!

          • runningbear1974

            I agree, he looks genuinely happy to be with Turris…

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Yes all knowing Sandy, seeing as Ryan has spent SOOOOO much time playing with Spezza

            Keep fabricating imaginary situations to further your point… We should never trade anyone!

          • Sandy

            Ryan doesn’t play with Spezza. I know that.
            IF Spezza is traded that means this team is in a re-build AGAIN.
            Ryan’s best years will probably be the next 5 seasons. Why in god’s name would he spend that with a re-building team when he could go anywhere as he will be in high demand.

  • hq8

    alfie scored SO goal winner against TOR…..almost in constant mockery of the sens.

  • Jacques

    Seven scouts from six teams here today. #Sens
    2:49pm – 21 Dec 13

    • Jacques

      The more scouts the better!

      • SenaTHOR

        Gryba to Pittsburgh for a 4th? Gryba Orpik together?

        • Jacques

          Why trade Gryba?

          • SenaTHOR

            A. Cuz they have NO plans for him..its obvious.
            B. He probably wants the hell out of the presser.

          • Jacques

            Let him play he’s one of the only bright spots, When they let him play!

  • Sandy

    Actually for a couple of games now we have seen the same scout from the Pens at several games…

  • aegiszx

    I still think we could get a REALLY good return for Zibby + Cowen/Michalek package. Imagine a vet like Stuart or Boyles back there helping out Karl or PW46.

    • Sandy

      So we are not only trading the vets. we are now trading 2 of the young players as well..

    • runningbear1974

      i vote no way we trade Zibby… He’s freaking awesome… Have you been watching? He’s the real deal….

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    For some reason, I refuse to give up on the Ottawa Senators.

    I know the times are bleak, and the reality isn’t encouraging, but there are indeed a ton of games yet to be played. We aren’t even halfway into the season yet.

    A lot can happen in 43 games.

  • SuckitPhaneuf

    Edmonton just lost 6-0 and CBC says they need to make a trade for veteran leadership on defence.
    How about Phillips to Edmonton for Perron to play left wing with Spezza

    • Jacques

      How bout we let them have Spezza to play with Perron over there?????

      • SENSsmile

        Exactly. People here need to get Spezza out their heads. If he’s not part of the solution, then he must be part of the problem.

  • SenaTHOR

    Last year No Karlsson No Spezza No Michalyk .
    This year -44…… yes minus 44 this year cumulative. This comes to fruition when you lose by a goal a game.
    Keep blaming the terrible defencmen. Unfortunately Methot has been dragged into the mess.
    This year Methot -Karlsson.
    Last year Methot -??????

    This one group is the difference when you look at the spread in average goal differential per game this year.
    And yes the goaltenders came to play last year.

    • Jacques

      Wow wonder what line that plays about 20 minutes a game that can be getting hammered so much that they’re dragging us down. Who could it be???

  • H POTTER

    It’s funny how some of you still think there’s still something to hang on for this season…we can barely put wins together. after BM came down, lost against FLA, lost against PHX, guess what we ain’t winning against PITTS, BOS (back to back). That is another 6 Pts loss. I’m sorry to say this as I am a fan buts let’s forget playoffs race here cuz it ain’t happening

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      Well then, cya next season H POTTER!

    • Zorav

      Okay you do that. You have to make a promise though. You will stick to your word regardless of any turn around. YOU WILL NOT BANDWAGGON IF the sens start picking up their game. You have stated that there’s nothing to hang on for this season, so please let it all go and don’t watch a single game IF they make it to the playoffs. Please we need more fans like you ! :)