Game Day- Senators Need a Win

SensChirp December 3, 2013 251
Game Day- Senators Need a Win

If the Ottawa Senators have plans of qualifying for this year’s playoffs, they’ll need to start racking up some wins and it has to start tonight against the Florida Panthers.

It is a little early in the season to be using the term must-win but the hole the Senators have dug themselves is now sufficiently deep that there is good reason for this team to start playing like there’s no tomorrow.  The Sens currently sit seven points out of the final playoff spot in the Eastern Conference.  They need wins and they need them now.

With the way the team has played of late, there’sobviously no such thing as an easy game but a quick glance at the schedule shows a string of games that the Senators can certainly be competitive in.  After tonight’s game against the Panthers, the Senators are in Tampa Bay, home against Toronto and Philadelphia then close it out with a home and home against the Buffalo Sabres.  If the Senators can’t start racking up points over that stretch, they are in deep trouble.

The Panthers have just one win in their last five games and currently sit just five points out of last place in the Eastern Conference. Goals have been hard to come by for the Panthers as they have managed just 2.11 goals per game which has them ranked 27th in the NHL.  Scottie Upshall leads the team in scoring with 14 points through 24 games.

Meanwhile the Senators will have a new look tonight against the Panthers.  After another disappointing loss on home ice, Paul MacLean finally decided it was time to shuffle the deck a little bit.  Mike Hoffman has been recalled and has found his way into the team’s top six forwards.  The line of MacArthur-Turris-Ryan has been split up, in an attempt to get Jason Spezza going a little bit.  Here is how the Senators are expected to line up for this one.

MacArthur-Spezza-Zibanejad
Hoffman-Turris-Ryan
Michalek-Smith-Neil
Conacher-Greening-Condra

Methot-Karlsson
Phillips-Corvo
Cowen-Gryba

Craig Anderson gets the start for the Senators while the Panthers counter with Tim Thomas.  Puck drop is scheduled for just after 7:30 PM.

  • H POTTER

    I can’t believe they keep going back with Anderson in the net. How do you want Lehner to build confidence by riding a streak when you keep on playing musical chair with him. I don’t mind the little revamping of the lines up front but what good is that going to do if you score 3 but than Anderson let’s in 4!!!!!!! I just don’t believe we will make the playoffs if we keep focusing on giving him starts! You wanna showcase him foe trade bait, bring some YouTube footage of him from last year and stop giving up those crucial 2 pts on each games because of showcasing

    • Alcatraz

      Or you take the mentality that he is our Number 1, has earned it and we aren’t going to put ourselves in a vancouver situation where we hand the job to a rookie goalie. We handle this like Boston and we let it ride out

    • FBP

      We’ve lost four out of five of his last appearances. There is no streak to ride.

    • Jason

      Lehner didn’t exactly play amazing last game…he had an opportunity to seize control of the crease and he didn’t do it. Now it’s back to Anderson.

      • Jacques

        Tell me which of the 3 goals Lehner could’ve stopped Sunday.

    • Godless_Lawyer

      If you recall how good Anderson was last year, I don’t think you can blame MacLean for trying to get that back – a game against his old team, who just happen to be one of the worst in the league, might be exactly the jolt he needs to get his game back.
      Andy’s rested, and given that Lehner had a 84.6% save percentage against Detroit, starting him makes a ton of sense.
      If it means that much to you to write off the guy who put the team on his back last year, then just tell yourself he’s being showcased for a trade.

  • Alcatraz

    Kulikov for Cowen!! haha

    As for tonight, Anderson needs a statement game, and his old team in Florida is a great place to start.

    I don’t care if Anderson gets a shutout or lets in 3 games, I just want to se ehim foccused like he was last year. You could tell the way he followed the play, read the play. Thats missing this year. A statement game from Anderson is needed

    Only game I could really say wow to was game 1 versus Buffalo

  • Kielbasa

    “Senators Need A Win”
    It’s really sad and pathetic that this has been the Sens’ ongoing theme from the start of the season. A big change is needed to the mentality and physical make-up of this team if something doesn’t change now.

  • Lorien

    Road game against the Leafs…so true.

  • Sicilian

    Yes, we need a bunch of wins and I don’t think it’s too early to say, “must win” any more.
    We definitely need to show that this Sens train is heading in the right direction

  • Kielbasa

    It’s really unfortunate that the conversations and the reality this early in December is the fact that missing the playoffs is a reality for this club. This team really has put up a pathetic effort on the ice.

  • AlaskanHoser

    I’d actually like to see Hoffman with Zibanejad and Contra.
    Solid third line with a bit of a scoring touch.

    • xN1Cx

      Then what would our top two lines look like?

      • Hax

        Conacher-Turris-Michalek? I bet Turris could get some production out of that group.

        • Miguel

          just ask Spezza how much he enjoyed that :)

          • Hax

            Yeah but Turris is a very different player from Spezza and if Spezza has Ryan and MacArthur then Turris’ line would get secondary attention.

            Who knows?

      • AlaskanHoser

        Michalek Spezza Conacher/Ryan
        MacArthur Turris Conacher/Ryan

        • Millennium

          so your top line is 3 guys who are all struggling to hit their potential, and then you give them the top D pairing on the other team. to add to their troubles. That would be a trainwreck.

          Zibby has been one of our top 4 forwards since the moment he was called up. He NEEDS to be in our top 6. Considering that, leaving Hoffman on the third line with scraps doesn’t really give him a chance to prove he is the top 6 player they think he is. Hence the tryout where he is slated to be.

  • sprucesens

    i just hope Hoffman is given the full game in the top 6. And then continues to get top 6 ice time for 5-10 games before he gets sent back down. I hope he doesn’t get sent down at all. But I just have a feeling he won’t single handedly be able to fix everyone else’s bad play. Hopefully he gets added to the short list of players that have played well this year…

  • Hax

    Tough decisions ahead for the coaches and management. If we win 5 of our next six do we max out our team to push for the playoffs? If we lose 4 of those games do we commit to our younger players developing and forget this season? What if we fall in between?

    IMO, our primary focus/concern should be next season as we *should* be a better team next year pretty easily. So many young players that should be better and not really losing any key pieces (Michalek, Phillips and Corvo). Not saying we don’t try to make the playoffs this year but it can’t be at the expense of our future.

    It might be a blessing to lose a bunch of games the next few weeks to remove any temptation to trade a young prospect for some “veteran to help stabilize things”. Take the pressure off the younger guys and build for next year.

    • Alcatraz

      I dont think Murray is dumb enough to trade youth to push for playoffs. He made that move already and he hates giving up on prospects and giving up 1st. Since we don’t have our 1st this year it would be stupid to give up on the season, luckily its not to a conference rival

      If we are out of the playoffs, I think the only name that would be sellable is Michalek, and thats only if we aren’t resigning him. Everyone else I think we keep. Unless people want Condra or Greening as they are expendable as well
      All others I would have a hard time believeing we trade

      • Hax

        True enough. But I sometimes worry that pressure about our record could see Murray make even a small trade (like Gryba+Grant for some veteran D). I’d probably make that trade if this was going on next season (if Spezza/Ryan and others are still pending UFAs) but even giving away one prospect now would be pointless.

        Hopefully Murray is smarter than that and doesn’t get pressure from anywhere to make a move he’d rather not make.

        Michalek and Corvo hopefully will have some value near the deadline as they’re the type of players that often move (depth forward with experience, PMD). But yeah nobody else has much value or should be moved.

        • Alcatraz

          Thats where we differ. To me Grant+Gryba aren’t prospects. They are serviceable AHL players really. Gryba I dont have any long term plans for as we will always be bringing in veteran guys (Lundin/Benoit/Corvo) and we will always have younger promising guys coming up (Weircioch/Claessen/Ceci) so gryba wont ever crack our top 4. That being said 5th and 6th dmen are a dime a dozen

          Grant is the same thing. Solid player, but easily replaceable. Same cana ctually be said about Condra. Useful and I like having them, but I wont lose sleep when they eventually leave

          • Hax

            Agree it’s minimal “cost” to us for those two, but even if we could get Gonchar back for those two AHLers – do we win a cup this year? Next year we’ve lost two serviceable AHLers who could potentially help our depth and have nothing left to show for it.

            Just an example and not saying no trades whatsoever but just in spirit I don’t want to “spend” any of our assets now. If Gryba/Grant get us something useful now then let’s “spend” them next year and get something when we have a better shot.

          • SenaTHOR

            Why not just waive him if he is an AHLer? If he has no NHL value nobody would claim him for sure.

        • Alcatraz

          If we could trade Grant + Gryba for an actual asset I’m all for it. HEll throw in a 5th round pick and it might be enough to pull out Shawn Mathias from Florida haha

          • Hax

            I’m talking about trading for a guy who’s a pure rental or geezer. If we can get back a guy that helps us next year as much or more than this year then fine by me.

    • Millennium

      I’d feel better about that if we still had our 1st; just an added consolation prize if we do lay a giant egg this season.

      Also, am I the only one who expects Philips to resign before next year? Something tells me he isn’t done.

      • Hax

        Agreed – though I fully expect Murray to pick up another pick or two (though since they won’t be “ours” they won’t be as cherry). Thank God we didn’t trade our first within the conference.

        As for Phillips, I fully expect him to be back actually. Just that his impact will be minimal outside of the veteran presence. So the fact that his contract is expiring isn’t a concern about “win now”.

      • Alcatraz

        I could see an extension before deadline day. 2 year 4 mill total

        • Tooks

          I hope not, he needs to go.

          • WolfInSheepsClothes

            Nothing wrong with him coming back so long as he is a 5/6/7 defenseman. He’s still effective but his minutes need to come down a little and he needs to stay off the PP. If when can address the 2nd pairing (either internally or otherwise) I would be more than happy to retain him.

          • Millennium

            He has value as a barometer for the rest of our D core. If he is playing better than anyone, than that player is playing poorly. Ideally if he comes back, its as a 6/7 who gets scratched because we have better options ahead of him. As long as we have 5-6 guys playing better than Phillips, our D is on the right track.

          • Miguel

            we have been saying 5,6,7 d-man for 4 years, and yet he keeps playing top minutes and costing us games. Sorry he has been great in the past, but if he is top 4 next year… I am sorry we are again a bad defensive team. Time for him to retire

      • Jacques

        We can trade for a first if we keep sucking in a few weeks. Plus, don’t see us resigning Spezza if keeps playing like he has. A nice little package with another first can be had for sure. SO STOP WORRYING ABOUT OUR PICK WE GOT RYAN!

  • Mark

    What a terrible season it has been so far, we aren’t even getting the loser points in OT or SO’s. Our owner is suddenly cash strapped and doesn’t seem to care as much for the team as back when he would do his little yearly addresses promising a stanley cup caliber team, our coach has become surprisingly weird and unpredictable in his choices, and we can clearly see that several players were overvalued by the organization (Greening, Condra, Gryba etc).
    I would hate to think that we are out of the playoff picture by New Years, but it’s looking like a very real chance. I don’t want to spend the rest of the season hearing TSN and Sportsnet etc, talking about a potential Sens fire sale at the trade deadline.
    I am still pissed that Alfie is not on the team anymore as I think having him and Ryan would have made a huge difference. Spezza, just based on his style of play and lack of defensive commitment and physicality made him a poor choice for captain.

    • Tooks

      Ya well IF we had drafted Landeskog he could have been Captain by now! What a beauty!

      • boom

        Am i missing your point?
        He was gone by the time the Sens picked, They wanted him.

        • Tooks

          I know that, they should have moved up to get him at all costs. Maybe they tried. Package up Spezza or switch picks plus add Cowen/Silf?

    • Alcatraz

      We won’t have a firesale as it makes no sense. We already “rebuilt/retooled” We are having an underachieving season. Sure Michalek could be pumped out of town, but we wont firesale because we have no 1st round pick
      Murray is in the “get better” mindset, so if he can make trades that make su better he will, but he wont be selling for picks just for the sake of it

      • Millennium

        That’s the part that makes this season so infuriating. We are a good team. We have most of the pieces necessary to contend. So when we suck, there aren’t too many pieces that are worth enough to move. Its a ‘death by a thousand cuts’ which is hard to fix because it can be so hard to pinpoint what is really wrong. Is it Spezza? Is it Maclean? Is it Anderson? Is it our bottom 6? Is it our top 6? Is it our entire D core? There are so many potential question marks that it becomes hard to really identify the problem (unless its all of them and we really aren’t a good team). Blowing it up makes no sense since we have a really good team, both on paper and in previous play. But obviously something is wrong. Its just a matter of finding out what that thing is, because really we don’t know yet.

    • Hax

      Way too early to give up on Spezza as captain. I know some will never get past the “giggles” image of him or Jacques Martin’s opinion when Spezza was a rookie – but following in Alfie’s footsteps is kinda huge. If it had been all about this season alone then Phillips would have been captain but it’s about the longer term. Spezza needs some time to adjust and I think he’ll be fine. It also bodes better for him resigning here.

      And I don’t personally believe we could have had Alfie, Ryan and MacArthur all on the same team. Would have been nice of course but then we’d be playing that old “will he retire” game with Alfie for the third year in a row.

      • Tooks

        Yeah I think MacArthur would be the odd man out, he’s the one replcaing Alfie, and doing quite well, both are very similar in pts. But to be honest I would rather have CMac, basically a younger version of Alfie (without the leadership…yet)

        But ya I think we could of had Alfie and Ryan.

      • boom

        Agreed with all your points – and people should remember that it’s not like Alfie led us to the promised land.

        He was a big part of the team for a long time – a very good captain, and great in the community – but the fan-base makes it sound like he was a legendary captain in the ilk of Messier or Yzerman.

        Good? Yes.

        Legendary? In the words of our former captain…”probably not”…

        • Miguel

          Touche! Boom well done!
          Legendary should be reserved for those who “promise” wins, then go get them :_)

        • Tooks

          Well said Boom, Spezza is struggling, yes, and he’s supposed to bring this terrible team to the playoff and Cup? Alfie has a stacked team and contender for 10 years and coudnt win the Cup.

          If anything Spezza should be given a free pass until we have a contender.

  • Sensnation

    Calling a complete team win tonight! Nothing helps a losing streak like the Florida Panthers. GO SENS GO!!!

    • boom

      You’re kidding, right? The Sens are the biggest slump-busters in the league, by far!!!

      • Sensnation

        So that means what, you gave up on your team and expect them to lose the rest of the year? So great to have your post, such a useful contribution. Who needs opponents when we have fans with your level of faith!

        • Tooks

          No he’s just referring to you calling Florida slump busters when infact that title belongs to us! lol

        • boom

          sorry for pointing out the irony of your post…

      • Tooks

        If only we could play ourselves and keep the points. Watch Florida play like world beaters tonight, haha we have a knack of making shitty teams look great!

        • boom

          I’m glad someone else has noticed that the Sens have been very good at making very bad teams and players look good.
          By my recollection: Philly, Edmonton, Columbus, Dallas were all on losing streaks until they played Ottawa.
          Players who haven’t scored all year, all of a sudden find their touch when they play us.

          • Mark

            Yep, Heatley had 2 points against us.

          • Miguel

            yah and not to mention all the back up goalies we turn into Vezina winners!

          • Sensnation

            Most of the slumps we busted were so long overdue to be busted, it was just unfortunate we were the team that came up that night. The problem is when fans hold that against the team instead of realizing that’s part of the ebb and flow of sports.

            By my count that was a pretty good team win last night!

            GO SENS GO!!!

  • Gordon Ramsli

    Finally we get to see Hoffman! and on a good line!

    Anderson having a 3.2 mill cap hit should still raise a few eyes around the league even with his struggles this year. If we do need to make a move to grab a D sadly he’s probably our most attractive piece of moveable pieces

    Would you rather have Miller at 6.2 mill or Anderson at 3.2mill

    • Hax

      I’d rather get Lehner signed to a long extension over the summer before I trade away Anderson. Though if Anderson continues to struggle all our leverage in the Lehner contract talks goes out the window anyway.

  • FBP

    Most folks are feeling a win eh? I wish I felt the same. The team has me feeling pretty jaded towards them right now.

  • Hax

    I think I’d flip Phillips and Cowen – just to add one veteran to each pairing.

    I’m curious to see how the forward lines work out though. Could be good.

  • Miguel

    wow, the temperature of the fans judging by the posts is pretty dismal, considering the opponent is FLA.
    But when we have had to endure the terrible hockey, especially at hom and in our own zone, and our PP, it is very understandable.
    After last seasons surprise, we all had lofty expectations, with a full season with the stars coming back. Well that has all backfired, and we are all very apprehensive about playing one of the weaker teams in the league, and to be faced with, dare I say it, a loss.
    Where do we go from there?
    Well I for one have to admit that I did overvalue many of our players, and many that I expected much more than I am seeing:
    Underachievers and expected more from:
    Greening
    Conacher
    Condra
    Michalek
    Cowen
    PW
    Gryba
    Anderson
    Smith
    Phillips (actually i really need to see less of him)
    Spezza (from a leader perspective
    MacLean (from some very questionable descisions ie PP )
    So with a list of underachievers and poor perfromances this long, is there any doubt about where we sit in the standings?
    I am as big a homer and optimist when it comes to my team, but if we do lose tonight, we should start to look at playing our prospects more, and sitting or moving some of this underachieving bunch… again IMO

    • sprucesens

      i’ve never expected anything from greening, condra, gryba other than bigger hits than he has thrown this year, or smith other than some hits and fights. So if anyone was actually expecting more, its a sore loss. Those players are all plugs, aside from smith who does a good job most of the time as a 4th C. Unfortunately, he is being used as a 3C and on the pp sometimes, which is because we haven’t got anybody else to rely on right now.
      The actual let downs, are conacher, michalek, cowen, Anderson and spezza. Conacher was a rookie with good scoring, so that was a gamble. I think he has played well, but he just can’t buy a goal these days. Never been a fan of michalek, and he’s only getting worse. Cowen i’m on the fence with. Personally, I think we would all be saying he shouldn’t be on the team if he wasn’t drafted in the first round. I mean, if he was a 5th rounder, would we even argue that he has ANY potential what so ever? When a guy like borowiecki comes in and does a better job than he does, I fail to see the reason to keep him, AND he’s injury prone. I’d say if we can get top dollar for him in a trade to add another scorer, by all means, do so!
      We knew Anderson would come back to earth, but unfortunately, he fell much further than that. The coach has to sit him for a larger length of time so he can regain focus. And spezza, he looks like he just doesn’t care at all out there. I’ve always been a huge supporter of spezza when everyone else was saying trade him… but i’m gradually losing my stance with his effort this year. Especially when we are at the tail end of a rebuild, and there are some stars that might be available. Maybe we can somehow use him next year as trade bait to somehow get 1st over all and land Mcdavid. how amazing would that be??

      • Tooks

        Thats it right there tho, the ORG needs to get McDavid, just like it needed to get Landeskog. But it wont, it wont give up what it takes to get these studs.

        • sprucesens

          yeah, while its a fantastic pipe dream, it won’t be happening unless we crash next year and win the lotto. Most teams unless they are in a compete right now environment wouldn’t even take spezza for the 1st overall. He would be in the last year of his contract, likely a rental by the time he was traded wherever it is, and a team looking for a rental, especially of spezza’s calibre won’t be in the lotto. Unless of course, the bottom teams is like 3 points out of a playoff spot I suppose…

  • Hax

    This team has had the same flaw for 10 years. We play our best against the best teams and play “down to their level” with the crappy teams. Some years are worse than others but it seems every year we have trouble beating the teams we’re “supposed to”.

    If we can fix one thing that would be it. Stock up on those points and we’re suddenly in the middle of the playoff teams.

    • sprucesens

      this year we are playing crappy against all the teams though. We had maybe 1 or 2 games where we actually played good. The other wins were 1 line shows while the rest of the team played just good enough to not throw the game away.
      Agreed on the sentiment though, we have a hard team beating the teams that we “should beat”. Maybe something needs to be said to the players. “We SHOULDN’T beat any of the teams out there, so get your ass in gear and play harder than them, and we CAN win!”

      • Hax

        Well true. But it seems the best games we’ve played this year (only a handful) have been against the better teams out there.

        • Tooks

          Well our 2 wins vs DET were @ DET which hadnt won a home game in 10 games, they are pretty pathetic at home and BOS was on a back to back and clearly were not at their best, making mistakes they wouldnt make otherwise.

  • CUP 2014-15

    Line-up for tonight is wrong. Gryba in PW out. Agree 100% that they need to win tonight. This team needs confidence and Tampa would be a hard place to start as will the Leafs. They need to grab these two points, play hard and win big.

    • Tooks

      If this is true I give up on Maclean, fuck him, I dont get it…

      • CUP 2014-15

        Why, PW has been awful. Gryba has better stats, corsi is better Offensive zone time and shot for, against is better. This team is over .500 with him in the line-up and he is tough as hell to play against.

        • Hax

          Get out of here with your logic!

          • CUP 2014-15

            Sorry Hex, LOL

          • CUP 2014-15

            Sorry….Hax,

        • Aaron 2.0

          I was pretty surprised when I first saw that Gryba was faring pretty well in advanced stats such as corsi. Can’t really argue with numbers! I have no issues with Gryba getting his starts.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Numbers don’t tell the whole story but they don’t lie either. I hope they let him play three or four straight to see if he can get it going. He’s an easy target for media and fans as he is missing both important factors. 1 he’s not a first or second rounder and 2 he’s not a local boy.

      • boom

        Yeah, it’s not like Weircioch may be an upgrade on Phillips for 1st unit powerplay, right?
        MacLean has lost all credibility around his “the best players play” crap.
        More and more, he’s reminding of CC…

        • CUP 2014-15

          Great so we have a D-Man to play the PP, OH wait, Corvo must be there to handle the forecheckers and clear the front of the net. I agree that he adds to the PP but if he;s in you have to take Corvo out. this team is getting schooled along the boards and on entry, we need D to stand up and knock people down, make forwards pay the price. I do like PW but he’s soooo soft. Hell he was backing up with Alfie coming up the ice and an empty net.

    • SensChirp

      Believe MacLean said he would wait until game time to make a decision on the defence. Gryba last guy off at the morning skate.

      • CUP 2014-15

        You are correct sir. Mac Lean did say game time but he was third off.

        • CUP 2014-15

          sorry third last, behind Cowen and PW

  • MikeS

    I think Chirp’s title sums up the situation much better then anyone here has. Im excited to see Hoffman, and at the same time Im excited to see spezza have competant linemates for once(who knows for how long).

    I have lowered my expectations and just want this team to compete. If they do that then I am happy for now

  • sprucesens

    …work sucks, come on sens make my day today….

  • SensChirp

    Lots of talk about Tim Murray interviewing for the GM job in Buffalo.
    For awhile he was assumed to be next in line for the Sens job but some people I have spoken with said “not so fast.” Tim has done a good job with the team but his promotion to the GM job when Bryan Murray was ready to move on certainly wasn’t a sure thing. Good to see Tim getting recognition from other teams though.

    • sprucesens

      no thats terrible news! I suppose its fine if we had someone else lined up for GM when bryan does retire, but it would be nice to keep the same management and scouting staff in tact as best we can. Its one of the brightest spots of this organization! I would hope Eugene talks with tim to say the job would be his when bryan retires. And more importantly that there will be money to spend during that time.

      But yes, it is good that he is getting recognition. But we wanna keep him.

      • Sandy

        Maybe he would like to go to an organization that has an Owner with lots of money and will spend… rather than trying to run a team with a tight budget…

    • luckan20

      Wow! I believe Eugene will take this team to a different level. Hopefully to better heights than rock bottom.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Watching the San Jose Sharks is such a thing of beauty. The way they play the game is just perfect; they’re so well coached and so well conditioned. Wish Paul could do that to the Sens

  • The Apostle

    Sometimes I worry about all the empty seats this season at CTC and then I watch a game from Florida…

  • Jesse

    Whyyyyyy is condra playing with spezza? EFF you Paul MacLean!

    • SENSible

      I think MacLean had a lobotomy over the past summer

      • Tooks

        Yes this is totally fucked up man, I give up on this coach, no way he deserves hi Jack Adams last year if not for our 3 goalies.

  • Aaron 2.0

    Starting lines combinations are, strange. I’m so confused right now. Why is there line juggling to start the game.

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      Because Paul Maclean.

  • Floridasensfan

    Go Sens Go

  • H POTTER

    It has begun! I don’t know who it was today that labelled Ottawa as the uncontested streak braker FOR THE OPPOSITE team. He was right on.

  • SENSible

    Two weak goals on Anderson, get him out of here.

  • H POTTER

    Go Anderson go.. what a ridiculous choice to start his sorry a**

  • SensFanInMTL

    We can’t catch a break can we? It’s against the Panthers FFS.

    • Tooks

      Why the fuck do we chase the puck carrier? Why did Methot go up the boards leaving Karlsson to defend 2 Panthers? Then Karlsson just looks as Campbell wires it top shelf…

      Our D is atrocious, yet PMac keeps going to the same guys…

      • Millennium

        But they’re ALL terrible. I don’t even understand how the team from last years playoffs could get this bad this fast.

        • esk

          alfie..

      • sprucesens

        that was condra, he was the winger to be covering the left D. He pinched over to the right D for no reason at all. Hence campbell alone to walk in from the blue line…

      • CUP 2014-15

        As pissed as you are Tooks, but where the hell was the right winger. He was on the left boards with three other Sens ??????? not our D fault

  • H POTTER

    Only streak his weak ass has had is letting 2 goals go in before his team even scores…sorry guys but he pisses me off

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    This team’s a joke.

    • Conor_smythe

      A man walks into a bar

      Bartender says: get out!

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        Haha exactly :)

  • LeafsSux

    Yes we are that F-in bad!!!!!!! This team needs an enigma!!!!

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    One more unanswered G for Cats and it’s bus.

  • luckan20

    First, what Condra is doing in top line. Second, how come Cowen playing, while Wiercioch who has got the best first pass guy sitting. I think Zibanejaad should be with Spezza.

    Now 2 goals lead is more than enough for Thomas to blank us.

  • H POTTER

    Yes it’s xmas

  • Tooks

    Corvo is our best D, lol Play him 19minutes!! lol

  • SensFanInMTL

    MacLean is no longer the man he used to be. I am confident he has lost it.

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      Me too. This team was supposed to be better than last season.

      Personally, I think he is most to blame. Murray’s made his job pretty easy with his work over the offseason.

      • SensFanInMTL

        Yup. Just the fact that anyone in their right frame of mind to put Condra on any team’s top line shouldn’t even be a natural thought to mind. No disrespect to Erik of course.

        • jasonontheoldsenschirp

          I’m a big fan of what Condra does, and I agree.

    • H POTTER

      He’s hiding rhum underneath his mustach

  • Aaron 2.0

    Huge break there with that goal. No more penalties guys. You don’t know how to defend them, so please, just stay out of the box.

  • Tooks

    LOL look at the Panthers make complete fools out of Gryba and Cowen with their speed. Andy just made 2 huge saves…wow.

    • luckan20

      Very bad choices by dressing two of the slowest defensemen along with Phillips. This puts us as one of the slowest back end.

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        #PaulMacleanCoaching.

  • Tooks

    Why the fuck is Condra still with Spezza and Mac? Why is Zib on the 3rd line? he has 6 goals in 6 games…demote him…WTF??

    • Millennium

      Jack Adams…its a hell of a drug

    • luckan20

      Exactly.

    • H POTTER

      Man WTH is pmac doing with the lines and what is his BEEF with Zib?????

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        I’ve been preaching this since the off season.

        Why does the organization hate him so much. He’s our best freakin’ player.

    • Aaron 2.0

      I think what’s most frustrating about these moves is why is the media not asking questions about these decisions. MacLean has had a free pass so far. I think he’s personally just trying to over-coach now. We’ve never seen how he responds to an under-performing team. I’d say his response has been, well, not good.

  • Conor_smythe

    Corvo scores. .. I guess thats what happens when the best players actually get to play

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Can someone tell me who runs the special teams play for the Sens? Just wondering.

    • Conor_smythe

      I cant

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        bahahahahahaha

  • Tooks

    Need a PP goal!

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Spezza shooting from behind the red line on a PP….. wtf? What a waste.

    • Conor_smythe

      Spezza does what he wants.. get on board

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        lol. Oh many Conor you’re killing me tonight :)

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Does Chris Phillips play on the powerplay on any of the other 29 teams in the league? Like WTF is he doing out there?

  • Sandy

    McLean is trying everything he can to get this team playing the way they should.
    The mental mistakes they are making is just plain stupid and inexcusable.
    It should be just basic hockey… cover your man.. not all go to the one player with the puck..
    McLean hasn’t forgotten how to coach. He didn’t become a bad coach overnight.
    The way these guys are playing — he doesn’t have much to work with. With the owner not willing to spend more $$ to bring in decent players… what can he do?
    Just as I write that.. Condra scored? Condra?

    • H POTTER

      I get all of that but the line juggling has got to stop!! We’re never going to have any consistency with the musical chair…no one here was ever expecting Condra to score today in this line..we just had two gifts from Thomas. I will be happy if we win but that doesn’t mean our problems are solved

      • Sandy

        Agree.. but he has to do what he has to do.
        In all of his coaching career in pro-hockey., I would bet he has never had a team play so bad for so long. Maybe it’s at the point.. what do I do now?
        The thing is. the Sens for the most part.. don’t have bad players. They have some players with really good skill… and they should not be as bad as they are showing…

  • SensFanInMTL

    I desperately want to draft McDavid. That means we would have to suck until 2015. Surely the Cup is everyone’s dream but realistically, he is years ahead of himself.

    • Conor_smythe

      I really want to trade our 1st round picks the next 3 years

      • SensFanInMTL

        He’s worth it that is for sure.

    • H POTTER

      He’s a sick kid indeed

    • sprucesens

      trade spezza next year for the 1st overall. add in whatever else is necessary, and voila, rebuild complete

      • SensFanInMTL

        We wouldn’t need to trade any picks though. We don’t have 1st round in 2014 due to the Ryan trade. We still have our 2015 1st and if we continue on the path of winning 1, losing 3, winning 2, losing 5, we would naturally be able to draft him without even trading a single player or pick.

  • Jesse

    Condra and Paul MacLean making me eat my words….I’m shamed

    • Tooks

      Hahaha same, I dont think this is long term solution anyways, maybe just the excitement of new lines, I suppose it will wear off midway hrough the 2nd.

  • Tooks

    HAHA Condra….make an ass out of mew why dont ya…lol He never scores!!!

    • Aaron 2.0

      I honestly don’t feel like you need to take any words back about the line-up. It’s great that Condra scored! And it’s a Christmas miracle that we ended that period 2-2 (after going down from 2 PP goals). I really like Condra! He’s been a great bottom 6 player for us the past years. But, these lines are not going to bring long-term success. Condra can’t play with Spezza (our supposed # 1 C) over the long-term. I’m still baffled.

  • H POTTER

    This is just going to be a weird game..anderson let’s in 2 weak ones…Corvo sends a fly ball and Condra out of all forwards scores…what’s next, a win finally??

    • Tooks

      Seems to be one of those screwy games, its the Panthers and Sens, worse clubs tend to play like juniors.

  • Scott Kelly

    Wow Condra! ATM I would rather Borocop instead of Gryba, Weircioch or Cowen.

    • Conor_smythe

      Me too

  • esk

    Zibby must not be doing something the coach is asking for…

    • sprucesens

      even zib can’t make spezza play hard… and he is punished for it

  • Millennium

    Look at that, Macarthur can make plays so good even Condra can score. 2 assists so far tonight for the Doc.

    • Sandy

      The signing of MacArthur really didn’t register much with fans since it came right after Alfie signed… I think.
      But he has been the best UFA signing this team has made in a very long time..
      Someone at the beginning of the season said he couldn’t replace Alfie in the lineup. Well skill wise he can… he’s doing just fine. Leadership wise… there is only one Alfie.

  • Tooks

    CMac is def not moving from Spezza, he has 2A’s already and Spezza 1A. They need Zib tho, Condra will not sustain…

    • Aaron 2.0

      Agree!

      • esk

        hows hoffman?

        • Aaron 2.0

          I’d like to see it, at least a try-out at some point.

        • sprucesens

          skating hard, took a stick in the face in front of the ref and got no call. Haven’t seen him come back yet, but i’m sure he will

  • Zachpraisetheswedes

    Anyone seen 67′s 1st overall pick Konecny play? Is he a superstar or just good?

    • T K

      A VERY good player on an average team. He’ll be a high draft pick for someone

  • H POTTER

    Phillips on the 1st pp unit, turnover, Zib does a great job not getting a penalty and breaking the rush..while I’m writing Condra turnover almost cost us a goal.. pmac I need some that rhum you have under your stache

  • SensFanInMTL

    LMAO, there are more in attendance at an Erie Otters game than in Sunrise.

    • H POTTER

      Hahaha

  • SensChirp

    Made it look pretty easy but that’s a good play by Gryba coming back to stop that breakaway by Bergenheim

    • H POTTER

      Very impressed…I’m telling you this is a weird game all over

  • Aaron 2.0

    Zibanejad have a great game tonight! Give him more ice time.

  • Tim

    They just did an interview with Boro down here. Not happy at all being sent back down.
    Grant was more business about it.

    • SensChirp

      Any specifics on what he said?

      • Tim

        Just that he thought he had worked hard enough to be an NHL player at this point and didn’t think being sent down would happen especially since Hoffman named Captain

        • sprucesens

          Well he is right. Unfortunately the business side of it has overpowered that. Murray needs to make some trades. Even if its just clearing out bodies for a few crappy picks. If money is such a problem, it can always be spun as salary dump. But i’m sure there is a trade out there, and murray is just holding out long enough to fleece someone and make room for boro

  • luckan20

    Both teams are getting good scoring chances. We should have buried at least in our 3 PP opportunity. They converted on both chances.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    For once, Neil is actually playing a good game. Hard on the puck and is actually playing hockey rather than running around taking dumb penalties.

  • luckan20

    Please score on the 4th chance of PP. We suck in specialty team.

  • Aaron 2.0

    Fla really taking it to us right now…

  • H POTTER

    Conacher sucks big time…not even close to what he did last year. no more grit, no more edge

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Guys we’re playing the Florida Panthers. Why are we not dominating :(

    • SensChirp

      Style points don’t really matter right now. Just win a game.

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        But we’re not winning.

        We’re tied with the FLORIDA PANTHERS.

    • SensFanInMTL

      We’re playing possum. Murray indeed wants McDavid as much as we do.

    • Tooks

      Well thats simple, were the Ottawa Senators…

  • CUP 2014-15

    We need to score on this one. COMEON CAPTIAN…..

  • luckan20

    5th chance. We need to score and can’t let these chances slip

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Third line’s been okay tonight!

  • CUP 2014-15

    gooooooooooooooal

  • T K

    Even when he calls a Sens goal, I don’t like L’Ecuyer

  • Millennium

    Condra and Greening scoring…

    WHAT WORLD AM I IN

    • CUP 2014-15

      lol

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Corvo with a great game putting up points again… Expect Paul Maclean to find an excuse to scratch him next game.

    • Tooks

      LOL expect corvo to be scratch next game and PW46 in, LOL!!

      • Conor_smythe

        Sad but true

        • jasonontheoldsenschirp

          Yep.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Based on their on ice performances lately, Zibanejad is a better player than Spezza right now. Yeah I said it. That’s not even a knock on Spezza really. Zibanejad, the guy who was outplayed by Da Costa in the pre-season, is now outplaying the majority of his teammates on a consistent basis.

    And before people jump down my throat for that comment, I don’t actually believe that Zibby is a better player than Spezza, but he’s sure as hell outplaying him.

    • LeafsSux

      Well if we were playing pond hockey and there were two people left to pick id take ZBAD over Spezza ;)

      • SensChirp

        In pond hockey?! Foolish choice

        • LeafsSux

          Youth baby all the way! lol

        • Aaron 2.0

          Now I just really want to see them head-to-head in pond hockey.

  • Aaron 2.0

    TB loss in regulation. TOR behind in the 3rd. Knock on wood.

  • luckan20

    Very pathetic crowd

  • Aaron 2.0

    Mantelow comments are hilarious. Lol.

    • T K

      If Harry is really Harold, is Barry really Barold?

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Neil got away with hooking on that one.

  • Zachpraisetheswedes

    Anderson playing the best I’ve seen all year. Tracking the puck very well

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    We absolutely have to score on this PP man..

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      And then Chris Phillips happens.

      Y IS KRIS FILLIPS ON THE POWERPLAY. Y?????

  • luckan20

    7 penalties. We need to score and their goes the chance

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Nice play by Cowen. Bobby ain’t gonna miss that.

  • T K

    Finally, a game vs. a lower rated team that is unfolding as it should

  • Jacques

    We play Gryba we win. Let him play he’s good. Hoffman love his speed, he’ll adjust to his line mates and will be dangerous before long!

  • Zachpraisetheswedes

    I don’t know if anyone else has noticed but Karlsson definitely has his old jump back. Past 2 or 3 games he’s been flying

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      Ya I noticed that, too. Here’s hoping Karl can give some of that same jump to Michalek. Oh my has he been invisible this season.

  • Jacques

    When Zibby hits it must hurt!

  • Sandy

    The Leafs lost to SJ.. Tampa lost to Columbus on a between the legs goal by Foligno..

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      cc: To the Sens…. KEEP WINNING!

    • sprucesens

      hell of a goal, good for foligno. And better for us

  • yawn

    Joe – Joe – Joe Cowwvooo
    we want yew ahn ahh sahd
    (in my best Brooklyn accent)

  • Colin

    How can the Panthers remain viable with attendance like tonight? A crowd like that likely doesn’t even cover Campbell’s nightly paycheque.

    • Aaron 2.0

      I’m not sure if they own their own building outright, but if they do, the answer probably has something to do with Mantelow et al.

    • yawn

      Rich owner who is willing to spend money on his team ?

    • Sandy

      I guess it’s where they are located as well? I’ve been there It’s a really nice building.. too bad no one is in it…

    • T K

      Like New Jersey, they probably have very strong TV revenue (due to the size of Miami.). Like Phoenix, their building is not near downtown so it’s a pain to get there after work on a weeknight (even farther than Kanata from downtown or Orleans).
      If the team is doing well, they can sell out, especially late in the season.

    • PraiseAlfie11

      Temps in the 80s, college and nfl football plus christmas season = nobody in fla thinking of “ice hockey”.

      They get bums in seats after christmas.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    If this team can find a way to win their next several games, watch the standings change completely for our team.

    • Aaron 2.0

      Obviously, happy when they win, but, honestly those line combinations don’t give me a warm fuzzy feeling for a streak.

  • Sandy

    Andy made some good saves and a lucky one Is this win the one that can turn his game back to what it can be?
    Next game is no easy task..

    • sprucesens

      yeah, that was his best game since the first game. And the 2 goals were PP, so we can only fault him a little bit on those. Not very often does any team kill a lengthy 5 on 3. Kudos to him giving us a chance to win by only allowing 2 for once. And we did just that. REALLY gotta go on a tear now to start moving up in the standings. If not, the hopes will fade fast. Build on it boys..!

  • Millennium

    Next 2 games will be massive since they are against TB and the Leafs who hold the wildcard spots in the East. Still 5 points back after tonight’s win, so those 2 games are must wins from a playoff perspective.

  • luckan20

    Ottawa is not out of the woods. We need to show that we can win two games in a row. Tampa has more scoring options.Bishop has been rock solid too

    • Tooks

      Yes obviously this has been our biggest problem, putting wins together, our longest streak is 3 games, sadly…

  • Sensturion

    Ottawa is now (despite the team’s start) only 5 points out of 8th. If we can beat TB and Toronto, we’ll be a point behind the laffs…

    • Aaron 2.0

      Leafs play the stars before they play us. Would need to lose that one too.

    • FBP

      Two big games coming up. The two teams we need to chase down to make the playoffs.

  • Sandy

    Turris was 65% in the faceoff circle.. Spezza was 83%. Zibby was 71%. Smith was 45%.

  • MikeS

    How did hoffman play? just got back. Nice to see the sens win a game they should win

    • CUP 2014-15

      I thought he was ok. Kid has speed, no doubt and he was put on the ice with under a min, left, if that means anything ? The nerves should be more under control on Thursday for him.

      • sprucesens

        yeah, when he was on the ice, he was definitely playing fast and causing turnovers by the other team. Which is good. Had a few chances at scoring, but missed the bounces. Hopefully Pmac leaves him in the top 6 for a few weeks. If not there was no point in calling him up. I assume since he is not waiver exempt and was on a tear in the AHL, they plan on him staying up for the year now.

      • Tooks

        He did alright, took a penalty on which the Panthers scored but apatr from that he held his own.

  • MikeS

    Tampa and Toronto have won 7 combined in their past 10 games. Tampa will probably continue to fall without stamkos. If the sens can win 55-60% of their games I assume they will make the playoffs

    • Tooks

      We havent won 55-60% of our games all year, your assumption is totally a hope and prayer…

      • MikeS

        I said IF, not assuming. Just saying playoffs arent out of the picture as some negative people like to believe 5 games into the season

  • sprucesens

    i hope murray is trying hard to pry a top player out of edmonton. Lol. they had another embarassing loss tonight. They need a goalie something fierce. After years of losing they might finally be willing to trade a big gun for a goalie. Anderson + for Ebs? Probably not, but what a joke of a team. 81% save pct. Anderson on his worst days is better than that. Anyways, still expecting a trade soon. Still talk of sens and rangers about DZ on hockeybuzz, not that that means anything…

    • Tooks

      That would be awesome! Obviously Anderson is not part of the future of this team, Eberle would be a wicked steal.

  • Kielbasa

    I’m not used to this feeling. I’m used to waking up frustrated and pissed off after another brutal loss by our Sens. But they actually won a game!!! Albeit, it was against the Panthers…but they didn’t $#!+ the bed yesterday! Can they actually make it two in a row tomorrow…that’s the big test for this club. Consistency.

    And Murray…thank you for bringing in MacArthur. The guy was a great find for this team.

  • Tooks

    Really like the Mac-Spezza combo, took the coach long enough to see that it would be a nice fit, and WTF is his beef with Mika, kid plays hard and does most things right, it wouldnt be right to demote him for little things. He’s scoring, put him up there with the big boys!

    Wake up Maclean!

    • ProudSens

      I agree, did Mika piss in his cornflakes or something, or is it trying to develop Mika into a hard working/gritty player by playing on the lower lines. Don’t know, but very confused.

    • esk

      watch the postgame interview..since greening has never played center , mac decided to put zibby there and zibby was cool with it…

  • Tooks

    I really liked the Cowen/Gryba pairing as 5/6, I think that is exactly where they should be playing, skill wise. Keep them away from stiff comp.

    Phillips can be replaced by PW46.