Game Day- Senators, Kings on a Saturday Afternoon

SensChirp December 14, 2013 249
Game Day- Senators, Kings on a Saturday Afternoon

After playing back to back games against the Buffalo Sabres, the Sens are in for a significantly more challenging test when they play host to the Los Angeles Kings.

The Senators have been playing some better hockey lately but will need to be at their absolute best against the Kings.  Ottawa sits just three points out of the final playoff spot in the Eastern Conference and are entering an extremely difficult portion of their schedule.  Picking up points in this game would be significant boost to the team’s playoff aspirations.

As has been the case for the past few seasons, the Kings are among the elite teams in the National Hockey League.  They have posted an incredible 21-7-4 record, including an impressive 11-3-2 record on the road and find themselves just five points back of the league leading Chicago Blackhawks.  They have reeled off five straight victories and roll into Ottawa as one of the hottest teams in the league.  The Senators have been playing some better hockey of late but they haven’t seen anything like these LA Kings.

Paul MacLean met with the media this morning and indicated he’ll go with the same line up as Thursday night against the Sabres.  That means defenceman Cody Ceci will play the second game of his NHL career.  He looked great against the Sabres but it will be interesting to see how he measures up against the Kings.  Here is how the Senators are expected to line up

MacArthur-Spezza-Condra
Conacher-Turris-Ryan
Michalek-Smith-Zibanejad
Greening-Pageau-Neil

Corvo-Karlsson
Phillips-Ceci
Wiercioch-Gryba

Craig Anderson gets the start in the Ottawa goal. The Kings are expected to counter with Martin Jones.

  • Sensturion

    How sick could Methot be if he’s out for a 3rd game…

    • SensChirp

      Kind of a strange scenario considering he came back for a game and then was out again.

      • Michenator

        Hope everything is alright with him!

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      If he actually actually has the flu….not a cold like most people refer to a flu as then it makes total sense.

  • Millennium

    The East is absurdly close right now. We are fighting for those last 2 spots with Toronto, Detroit, Columbus, Philadelphia, New York Rangers, and New Jersey. a point or even 2 in the next 2 games against the West would be a big deal.

    I just want to see the Sens compete, and play hard today, Play with pride, and show these better teams that we can play with them, and aren’t just a Buffalo equivalent. Hopefully the fact that 2:00 pm, is 11:00 am PST will mean the Kings come out sleepy!

  • luckan20

    A point in this game or even two will go long way. Without Methot or Cowen we look little weak physically in this game. If Karlson can dust off his mediocre play of the last game, then we have a good chance of taking this..

  • 383

    Anyone know a good stream for android??
    Fuckin afternoon games.

  • Sensturion

    I don’t expect many people to be at the game considering the storm that coming in. No one wants to be driving when there’s a foot of snow falling.

    • Kielbasa

      Yeah. That’s why.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    BIG BIG BIG GAME! Sens gotta be on their A-game and play like when know they can! 1 point would be cool but we need two

    go sens go!!

  • MikeS

    wow….great start..

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    ………………………………………………………………..

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Anderson sucks.

    • sens23

      your right lehner never lets in weak goals………….oh wait

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        Who said anything about Lehner.

  • Johnny T

    fcuks sake!!

  • Kielbasa

    Haha haha. Great start Anderson. The positive…at least it doesn’t appear many Sens fans are at the game to be frustrated in person.

  • MikeS

    That was a ridiculously weak goal…wow

    • sens23

      yep ceci with the tape to tape pass to carter

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    RELEASE THE LEHNER.

    • Eugenius

      Yep.

    • MikeS

      This is the 4th of 5th game andy has been pulled this year….this is getting ridiculous

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        When will they realize that this is Lehner’s team now. Andy’s regressing. Those were two goals that should have been saved.

        • MikeS

          The first one was meh, second one basically went into the middle of the net…..

  • karlssens

    Now there’s the Ottawa we know and love.. God damnit Anderson how can you be so inconsistent.

  • SensFanInMTL

    Bad start for Andy. But pulling him that early will just damage his morale. I feel bad for the guy at times. Should’ve just fuckin started with Lehner from the fuckin get go. Nice to see MacLean fucking with the lines again and putting Condra & Conacher on the top lines.

  • Mark

    LA is playing their backup goalie. That means we will lose as usual. Lol

    • Eugenius

      Yeah, what the hell is with that?

    • MikeS

      Except he basically stole the number 1 job

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        Quick’s been hurt. It’s still his net.

        • Millennium

          sure but this kid has been incredible for the handful of games he’s played in now. Making a strong statement that he is more than backup material.

          • jasonontheoldsenschirp

            Never said he wasn’t good. Still Quick’s net.

  • MikeS

    Smith is embarrassing. Like a 5 year old could pull him down. Its cost us a few goals already..

  • matsoukas45

    They got to sit Anderson for awhile and let lehner run with it

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      YES.

  • MikeS

    Bold prediction of the day. Sens come back and win, Lehner is starter for the rest of the year

  • Mark

    This PP is garbage.

  • Conor_smythe

    what a joke of a powerplay

  • Eugenius

    “Wiercioch, high and wide, missed the net”….never heard that before….

  • Aaron 2.0

    Not one setup in 2 minute of PP time…

    • Jacques

      Ceci should be on the pp at least.

  • Kielbasa

    3-0. Awesome game. Joke of a team.

  • sens23

    lehner yuck

    • Luc Wolfe

      Phillips turnover

      • sens23

        carter goal was a turn over by ceci right on carters tape but that ones on anderson?? and this one isnt on lehner?

        • MikeS

          Well if he didnt shoot right at andy’s chest it might be on ceci….

          • sens23

            kopitar tried his best to shoot it at lehner on the third as well. both goalies are playing terribly against a far superior team

          • MikeS

            both goalies have stunk

          • sens23

            i agree. its just ridiculous in here that the second anderson lets in a soft one everyone is screaming how bad he sucks. but when lehner (who has let in his fair share of softies this year) lets one in its phillips fault not lehners.

          • MikeS

            All 3 goals would not have gone on any capable nhl goalie. Idk what our goalies have been doing today

          • Aaron 2.0

            I think the double-standard on these soft-goals b/w the two goalies is that Anderson has started far more games this season, and it’s been pretty constant throughout the entire season with him. Lehner has let in some stinkers more recently. But, overall he’s still giving us save pct. this year will (edit – should) keep us in games on most nights (provided we don’t give up 50 shots). Add that he’s very young, and he’ll be excused more than Anderson at this point in his career.

          • MikeS

            You nailed it

        • Luc Wolfe

          Phillips missed his breakout pass 15 secs in… And no lehner didn’t look awesome either

    • luckan20

      buddy you shouldn’t make fun here. I gave u a thumps up

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Game’s over. This is too stressful I don’t need this on my Saturday afternoon. Happy Holidays guys.

    • Michenator

      Kind of how I’m feelin’. We need to get a goal ASAP, and then a second at least hopefully before the end of the period…. Ceci has good flashes but his inexperience is really showing,

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        True say. Understand the Ceci concern in his second game, but to be honest, I think the goaltending is mainly to blame.

        Anyways have a good one guys. Try and stay warm.

  • Jacques

    Hope people actually look at how well Gryba plays. Big hit again, Poor Ceci is minus 3 already. Going to be a tough gametowatch,

    • Eugenius

      Good learning experience for the kid. LA is just a tad better than Buffalo….

  • Mark

    This team sucks, plain and simple. We played like garbage against Buffalo and were lucky to get three points. Another poor performance in home ice.

  • Millennium

    This is embarrassing. The team should be ashamed of this

    • SensChirp

      This is 100% on goalies

      • MikeS

        Agreed, sens are actually playing decently, goalies have been very soft

        • Luc Wolfe

          Yah I agree but we can’t even get shots 20′ from the net… Never wins game if all your shots are weak and from blue line

      • Millennium

        certainly 90%+ is for sure. A goalie needs to give their team a chance to win, and our aren’t doing that.

        But there are some other problems early on as well.

      • Aaron 2.0

        Yeah, the goalies are letting us down tonight. On the 3rd goal the puck can’t be turned over like that though. These were brutal against Buffalo. A good team will do this to you.

      • Michenator

        True. We really need to start hitting their net though.

      • Jacques

        Our goalies are made up of 90 percent air!

  • SensFanInMTL

    That last goal scored by that guy? That’s the guy we could’ve gotten!

  • Kielbasa

    If this team wants to give a Christmas gift to its fans…show you know how to play this game. Channel changed.

  • Jacques

    Condra is a joke. Backward deflect up the middle give away. He thinks he’s a globetrotter, keep it simple dummy you have zero skill!

    • SensFanInMTL

      Je conprend pas que ce qu’il fait s’a premier ligne, pas bon sens.

  • Sensturion

    Ceci is -3… because neither goalie seems to be able to make a save

    • Jacques

      I agree, not his fault at all

  • Luc Wolfe

    I’ll watch this brutal loss and blame to only individual who responsible… Eugene “Cheap” Melnyk.

  • Eugenius

    lol Dean…”Well, the Senators need a save from somebody”…

  • Mark

    LA scores because they actually hit the net…. Are you paying attention Sens?!?!

  • Jacques

    Hey captain when you miss the net from 50 ft it’s going the other way and fast!

  • Sensturion

    The worst thing about LA being so good is that, besides Kopitar, Doughty, Carter and Richards, their an entire team of no name 3rd and 4th liners. That’s what you call a GOOD system.

  • SensFanInMTL

    So if everyone is blaming Melnyk for being cheap, does that mean that Murray is itching to do something drastic but can’t because of frickin Euge?

    • Luc Wolfe

      Yup. But Murray is at fault too he’s getting paid to do a job too. As a fan I got the right to cheer for my team but I got the right to hate the ownership and management when at fault

  • Conor_smythe

    THere is not one ounce of “system” in our system

    Our players look lost

  • Mark

    Hit the fucking net!!!!!!

  • Eugenius

    I need to see way more Zibanejad and Ryan right now

    • Eugenius

      …and Chris Neil apparently…

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Judging by the comments in here I think it may be a good thing I forgot to pvr the game

    • Millennium

      I wish I could unsee this game to be honest.

  • MikeS

    Ok I get that spezza is always hounded to shoot more, but id doesnt mean take a 1% chance slapper every time u cross the blueline….

    • Aaron 2.0

      Most of his shots are like that this year. Wild shots from low-percentage areas that are more likely to start a rush the other way. He just seems to be having so much more trouble reading the game this year than i’ve ever seen from him before.

      • MikeS

        I think he has done it 5 times in 1 period already…your better off just dumping it in the corner if your not going to carry it deeper

        • Aaron 2.0

          Agree 100%. I know these skilled guys are trying to find open-ice to work with but you have to find ways to get to goal-scoring areas to consistently score in this league.

    • Jacques

      I think he has the brain of a squirrel, how else can you explain always doing the same thing. At least hit the net. The other team always has a 3-2 or a 2-1 the other way….?????

      • Aaron 2.0

        I just find it so confusing. I know he’d have some bad plays from time-to-time in years past, but this year I find it hard to figure out what he’s actually bringing to any line on a consistent basis. I don’t think you can say play-making this year. It’s not his shot. He’s not really a try-hard in the corners. He’s just still managing to put up some points b/c he is so skilled…

  • Michenator

    Let’s hope we get real pesky and claw ourselves back into this one!! We started to look pissed by the end of that period and I am loving it. Here’s to 40 minutes of hustle from the boys!!! That’s all we can ask for…

    • MikeS

      I believe they came back from 3-0 to 4-3 SO loss in LA

    • Aaron 2.0

      Goal-tending will have to be pretty much perfect the rest of the way for any chance. I think if Ottawa could take 2 of 4 points in the next two games (including today) that would be really asking for a lot, and i’d consider that pretty successful against these 2 western teams.

  • SensFanInMTL

    Well we’re entering the holiday season shortly. Could we start seeing some moves now, management?

    • sprucesens

      i ponder…. oilers traded labarbera today. Making room for a goalie coming their way? Dubnyk is as bad as anderson has been this year. Maybe a trade of andy for dubnyk +++++. ? I keep pushing this trade on my oiler’s friends. Massive trade with potential franchise altering implications. Would be crazy to see happen.

      Spezza, Cowen, Anderson

      Eberle, Nuge, 3rd round pick and Dubnyk, just to have a back up.

      Anyways, 99.9999999% something like that would never happen. Fun to think about, and a trade is needed so badly with this team. Imagine we don’t make a move and keep the patience that everyone hear preaches. Then imagine we start bad again next year. Then what, bobby and spezza walk as UFA’s? no, you make the trades NOW to improve. Also of interest, trade freeze is the 19th i believe. Something to keep an eye on.

      • SensFanInMTL

        Eberle alone couldn’t even pull off that trade. Nugent-Hopkins is creeping up slowly to become a great franchise player. I love both players but those are the 2 pieces of their foundation that I just don’t see them moving for a long time. Think of freakin Toews & Kane. Wish they could get split up.

        • sprucesens

          yeah, but the fanbase is sick of watching the same “star” players have losing season after losing season. They want a vet star for years now = spezza. They need D like its going out of style = cowen. They need a goalie, because dubnyk. Anderson will break out of his funk, and he won’t be any worse than duby. But its also 2 big pieces to give up. But its a big change

          • Jacques

            Be lucky to get Eberle for Spezza and Cowen.

          • SensFanInMTL

            I just feel that with Alfie gone, Spezz is the only one that could carry this team. I guess what I’m saying is that he needs to be tied down to the team for the rest of his career but at the same time, when UFA hits, he will have a choice of what to do. You don’t think if Spezza, Ryan, Michalek and whoever else when their contracts expires that it might just entice Karlsson to no longer stay?

  • karlssens

    I had some hope today, some hope that our team could come out and play hard. Boy was I wrong.

    • Michenator

      still got 40 mins!

      • karlssens

        I hope thy can come back, but the goalies killed us in that one.

  • Millennium

    Guys who I’m losing faith in:
    Paul Maclean
    Jason Spezza
    Craig Anderson

    I want to like all 3, but damn they aren’t giving me anything to work with this season. Spezza is the one that hurts the most, because he needs to be the cornerstone of the franchise, and he’s just not right now.

    • Eugenius

      I don’t see Andy going anywhere, but the idea of shopping Jay is becoming increasingly attractive. I think the coaching staff could use a veteran as an assistant coach.

    • SensFanInMTL

      He looks to be ailing as he ages. The guy was absolute dynamite during his mid 20′s. I really would like to see him reunited with Ryan. After all, that was the purpose in trading for him wasn’t it?

      • Millennium

        There’s a lot of things the fans, and seemingly the GM, want to see from the lineup, but Mac is either stubborn, a visionary, or a fool. Time will tell which.

  • SensFanInMTL

    We need to recall Wacey Hamilton.

    • Jacques

      Why?

      • SensFanInMTL

        Because it’ll end in the same result as now! You got the joke though right?

  • Kielbasa

    Maybe this team is just playing badly this season in order to generate more and more empty seats. The emptier CTC is, the less money Melnyk generates. They are brilliant. Trying to force Melnyk out like this.

  • MikeS

    WTF was that a penalty for?

    • Michenator

      You’re not aloud to use your body in any way against somebody else in the game of full-contact hockey.

      • MikeS

        Apparently high sticking. I must have missed it ????

  • MikeS

    On the positive, Greening has looked great today

  • MikeS

    Well nice to see they call that the second time that happens, williams did that exact same play in the first

  • Eugenius

    Need a goal here. Big time.

  • luckan20

    now we need to score on this PP.

  • luckan20

    WTF Karlson doing

  • Eugenius

    Is our only play on the PP to shoot from the point?……

    • SensFanInMTL

      Perhaps the entire coaching staff need to be canned. Let’s bring in some PP specialists and goalie coaches from Kitchener because watching these millionaire athletes perform the way that they are is just not right.

  • SensFanInMTL

    Man last year when everyone was hurt, we were begging for one or all of them to come back. We have everyone in perfect health this season ANNNNND added Bobby Ryan and we’re in the position that we’re in. This is just too puzzling.

    • Sensturion

      We normally have no trouble scoring goals. That’s not the issue.

    • Eugenius

      Your best players have to be your best players. Anderson, Spezza, Milan, Karl, and Cow were injured last year. Karlsson has been good. The rest? Oof

    • esk

      The only explanation that i can think of and that makes sense is the change of leadership & culture in the locker room. After 18 years.. Its a transitional period. Plus losing alfie (top6) and gonchar (top4) as hockey players..what are we currently looking for? top6 and top4 d.

  • Jacques

    You can tell that Ceci knows how to play the game. Now for the other guys…..?

    • Michenator

      Ceci had some spunk that last shift!

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Cody Ceci’s going to be one HECK of a pro.

    • SensFanInMTL

      Welcome back.

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        We scored. And thanks

  • Sensturion

    ABOUT TIME

  • Michenator

    WOO!

  • MikeS

    Switch goalies and this game is 1-0. Nice to see team not give up with such a lousy start

  • MikeS

    G1 of season vs LA sens down 3-0 after 1, 3-1 after 2, 3-3 after 3. We seeing a repeat?

  • Aaron 2.0

    Alright! 2-goal game. Some good hard work by Spezza! We to see more of that from him!

  • Millennium

    Wow, nice little kick pass by CC89. nice feet.

    Score: Sens 1, LA 1, Anderson -2

    • esk

      89 has 3 pts in 3 games since he’s been benched?

    • MikeS

      Sens 1 LA 0, goalies -3

      • Aaron 2.0

        That’s fair. 1 bad goal every now and then will happen, but that first period…

  • Eugenius

    PAT. HIT THE NET.

  • luckan20

    The game is on. All we need is to crowd their blue paint and please hit the net

  • Millennium

    Have the Sens played a game that featured fewer than 20 different line combos in it? Mac is all over the place, overthinking, overcoaching, and doing more harm than good. He finally puts Zbad where he belongs, with Spezza, and good things happen. The man just refuses to see the simple solution, and instead looks for some crazy composition.

    • Shibal

      Coaching should be tough, but coming up with optimal line combinations should always the easiest of jobs. Can’t believe he is still doing this juggling, 32 games later.

      • esk

        maybe he is doing this so everyone learns how to play with eachother?

        • Shibal

          Disturbing fact: Spezza has played with every winger possible within this team this season, barring Kassian.

      • Millennium

        Its practically Clouston-esque, and that’s what worries me so much. Clouston lost the confidence of his players by not having any confidence in them first. If Mac does the same, players may just ‘check out’ emotionally and behaviourally and start looking at other options.

        • Aaron 2.0

          I feel like i’ve already seen this at times this season. Not for entire games, but definitely for a few later periods where the line combinations just got ridiculous. As much as everybody likes him, the coach is playing with fire. If he loses the room …

          • Shibal

            I think he is already losing Ryan.

  • H POTTER

    I don’t get that NHL players Re good enough to play in the league but cannot hit the net on a consistent basis. I don’t have the stats on this but we have got to be top 3 in shots that miss the net. The commentators age getting tired of repeating the same thing

  • H POTTER

    Again “low and wide”

  • MikeS

    YAY

  • MikeS

    15 minutes to be pesky! do you believe?

  • Millennium

    The only thing that drives me up the wall right now is that we would be winning if we had just started Lehner

  • Aaron 2.0

    Well they got a chance now! Maybe their goaltender will lose a little bit of confidence. He’s a rookie.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    This team plays better with Lehner behind them.

    • sens23

      lehners 4 wins and only 2 against current playoff teams speaks otherwise

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        still better than with andy :0

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Karlsson is so damn good.

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      And so is Doughty wow

    • SenaTHOR

      In the offensive end. He is really slowing down the rush if he carries it to the oppositions blue line. Needs to give and go more.

  • H POTTER

    Spezza again..what a douche

    • Eugenius

      Him and Corvo were incredibly soft on that one

    • Jacques

      Great effort on the back check,

  • H POTTER

    It’s clear now pmac gots to go. The players had enough of the musical chair. It shows

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      Ive been saying this for weeks

      • Luc Wolfe

        **** that he doesn’t really have a legimate first line

  • Jacques

    What a call?

    • Michenator

      Refs should never make soft calls like that with 5 minutes left… down two goals this will take a miracle…

  • MikeS

    Refs have not decided this game, however there has been some questionable calls

    • Eugenius

      Yeah that one was awful

      • MikeS

        and the gryba hit in the 2nd

        • MikeS

          Game is 100% not on the refs though.

  • Eugenius

    I nearly forgot that Pageau is in this game……get the kid out there a bit, he’s hungry

    • Jacques

      We’d rather play Smith and Condra all f-ing night.

  • luckan20

    The game is over.

  • Michenator

    well that’s sad,

  • Luc Wolfe

    Boooourns fire the owner

  • luckan20

    We got 3 PP and can’t muster a shot, while they score in their opportunity. Fire cameron, whose is Melnyk love child

  • sens23

    kyle turris and bobby ryan less ice time than chris neil and zach smith again. with 2 minutes to go

    • Aaron 2.0

      And, the coach is barely being asked by this non-sense in interviews. The whole situation is just ridiculous. Best players need to play if we have any chance of winning. Zibanejad is suffering from these stupid decisions too.

      • Eugenius

        Zib should be the 2C

        • jasonontheoldsenschirp

          yep.

        • SensChirp

          Centre?

        • Aaron 2.0

          I’d keep him on wing. Turris is a top 6 on this team, even if Zibanejad surpasses him. I don’ think Turris would be as versatile to play wing. They both should be getting top 6 minutes.

          • sprucesens

            i still think our top 3C’s should be turris, spezza, zibby. Only other options is if pageau comes up, then move zib to wing in top 6. But for either of those combos’ the bottom 6 wingers need to be changed. Stone and hoffman need to be called up, and kept up, and given playing time. Not benched like maclean has done. We can’t have a 4th grinding line, and pageau condra conacher as a scoring 3rd line. It just won’t work. Hoffman – Pageau/zibby – stone creates way more offense.

            Get rid of the extra baggage before its too late. Condra has no place on this team. Greening is ok as a 4th liner, but thats it. If you want to have a 4th of Kassian – smith – neil, then greening has no spot on this team in the future. But i’m sure he’ll occupy kassian’s spot. Which means TRADE CONDRA. I’ll take a 6th round pick to open up the roster spot permanently.

          • Shibal

            You can’t guarantee that Hoffman and Stone are going to better than Condra. Condra had some really good numbers in his only year in the AHL, Conacher as well.

          • Jacques

            I can guarantee that they will. come on , he just creates wind out there. You can stop his shot with your teeth and have no fear of breaking one!

          • Jacques

            Keep Condra on to sell popcorn in the stands! there Eugene at least you’ll get something out of him!

        • Shibal

          Zib is way better at the wing. He started to play well, once he got on Spezza’s wing today. It’s just so puzzling that Maclean, rarely starts Zib on Spezza’s wing at the beginning of games, but once the Sens are in trouble, he shuffles Zib to the top 6.

  • Aaron 2.0

    All we can do is hope that Toronto loses tonight, and we don’t lose any ground chasing in our own division. Team played okay tonight. Score not completely indicative of the sens’ play. Turn-overs are still a huge problem though.

    • Sandy

      Thank you for that… Goaltending let the team down today. What the fuck has Rick Walmsley done to these two goalies who were both so good last season?

  • Sensturion

    Glass half empty: Damn it. We could’ve been 1 point behind Toronto after this…
    Glass half full: Hey! At least we didn’t get manhandled like Montreal! We scored!

  • Shibal

    I’m amazed how Zack Smith never fails to get his ice time cut; for the second game in a row he had more ice time than Ryan, and Turris.

    • Jacques

      Awesome post I agree.

  • Millennium

    Final Verdict:

    Anderson is nowhere near the #1 goalie on this team, Lehner is tops and nothing PMac can say will convince anyone otherwise. He did let a softie in, but in fairness he was coming in cold.

    The team actually bounced back respectably, and there were stretches of good play when the real lines were let to play together.

    Spezza looked completely disinterested at the opening and closing of that game. Came alive for a while in the middle, but you don’t have that luxury when your captain. Not good enough.

    Paul Maclean is coaching this team into a trainwreck. Criminally misusing his players, and its starting to become unbearable.

    Conacher, Ceci, Turris, Ryan and Zibanejad had good games.

  • sprucesens

    how long do we have to wait before we make a trade? The season is so tight. The cap is going up, we HAVE to add salary. Make some trades that can potentially make this season a playoff season. And its time the coach is asked some questions. Why is smith, condra, greening, neil all getting more ice time than guys like the turris and spezza lines? At least one good positive from playing phillips more, meant more ceci. And ffs, let lehner play for 5 straight games, so andy can figure his shit out

    • Michenator

      I felt like Neil, Greening, Condra, Smith were our best players tonight.

  • aegiszx

    lol @ people who thought we were going to win today. This LA team rolled through the Habs and the Leafs recently. No surprises here.

    • sprucesens

      i’m fairly certain 90% of people knew we would lose today. Same with monday. Doesn’t mean the team can’t show up and surprise the fans though. But they didn’t. Coach really needs to be asked why the best players aren’t playing the top minutes. Its not worth 100′s of dollars to watch bottom 6 players get the most ice time

      • Jacques

        You don’t play Ryan but you keep sending out Spezza WTF?????

  • Eugenius

    Tough question, for those who would consider trading the captain is:
    - What team(s) is in need of a C like #19 that….
    a) Is in a desirable city to live in
    b) Is not a total shit team
    c) Has desirable assets that they are willing to move
    d) Is not in our Division
    e) Ideally has some cap space
    ….Dallas? NYR? NYI? Phoenix?
    Easy to say “Trade Spezza!”…but finding a suitable deal would likely be pretty tough. And, out of curiosity, what are the pieces you would expect in return? Solid top 6 forward or top 4 Dman and a 1st round pick (in a not so great draft)?

    • Jacques

      I wouldn’t be too picky a decent d-man , a promising forward would be good.

      • sprucesens

        if spezza was going anywhere, it would likely be multiple pieces going both directions, as its not a true rental trade. I still think edmonton has been knocking on that door for years now. But likely never to come to fruition

  • Roar…

    Honestly, after giving up the 3-0 lead the team played pretty well. Right up until the moment they shit the bed on both of the last two goals. That’s been the issue with this team though just bad defensive lapses and sup-par goaltender performances. In general a good test against one of the leagues elite. They did some things really well and others quite poorly as you might expect. I think this team will weasel into 7th-8th place. We’re a solid 2-way top-6 forward & one or two top four defenders away from being a much, much better team. Corvo is looking like he needs a contract extension. he’s an ideal 5th/6th D who can play the PP and jump up to the top 4 in a jam. Hopefully Cowen over time will improve – I’d say just hang onto him until that happens. Ceci, Karlsson & Methot will lead the way for the time being. Borocop & Gryba can fight it out for the 6th/7th D roles. Overall the Sens really aren’t in that bad of shape. They’re just not there yet and fans need to be patient. This off-season will be huge if Ottawa can grab the right piece.

    Obviously we are also approaching the point where we need to make a Spezza decision. Do we want to continue to build the team around him (can we keep Ryan if we trade him?). His health and his future level of play should at this point rightfully be in question. There is also the fact that Turris-Zibanejad may be a much better two-way Stanley Cup winning 1-2 punch at center ice in the mold of Bergeron-Krecji. What do we realistically think we can get back (two-way younger top-6 winger + mid-range 1st rounder). Like David Perron + Edmonton’s first if they claw up to the point where that’s a 10th-15th overall pick? Wouldn’t be the worst of deals.It really just depends on if he’s the guy we want at the front. He can do it when he’s on his game and he’s still a great player. Just might be hard to win a Cup with him playing against Crosby & other guys that can excel a little more than he does in the style he likes to play.

    • Sandy

      They really missed the big body of Methot today. Corvo is no way should pay top pairing D..
      Ceci kinda found out today it’s a biiiiigggg difference between Buffalo and LA.
      The Western teams have dominated the East this season… and today was no different. The Cup goes West again…
      I

  • CrackAttack

    I have been to two games this year. Both of them were when Anderson was absolutely terrible, and got yanked both times (although this time it was mercifully quickly). Therefore, the only logical conclusion is that my presence in the arena causes Anderson to become a big stinking pile of garbage.

    This loss is on me, then. Sorry folks.

    • Luc Wolfe

      You need season tickets for the leafs

  • Shibal

    I think the sens should try to get Brett Connolly for Michalek. With Drouin, and Kucherov in their system, I don’t think the lightning have space for Connolly in the top 6. Also we would get a former 2010 6th overall pick player who had over 60 points in the AHL last year, albeit he is struggling this year in the AHL. In other words, the trade can compensate the first round pick we don’t have this year in the draft.

    • Jacques

      I proposed getting him in the past , I think the Sens err really after him in the bishop deal,

      • sprucesens

        yeah, i’d do everything in my power to get drouin. then settle on connolly. Who knows if they are even in trading mode right now. Probably just waiting until stamkos returns.

        • Shibal

          Drouin is a future superstar, only Connolly is realistically possible to trade for I think, because I just can’t see him fitting into Tampa’s top 6. His struggles this year in the AHL will make him an easier target as well. They already prefer Kucherov over him, and Drouin will most likely play for them next year.

          • sprucesens

            yeah, thats why i’m saying, aim high, then “settle” on connolly. Although, we don’t need to trade to get someone of his caliber. We have like 4 wingers ready to make the jump. But we don’t have room in our bottom 6 to get them playing right now. So we need to send players out with only picks coming back, or a 2 for 1 type deal

  • Sandy

    A loss for the Sens and here comes the fucking trade Spezza and fire McLean bullshit. I apologize for the language.. but that crap angers the hell of out me.

    Too many freakin’ fickle Sens fans === it’s frustrating…
    They win.. boy they are the best, they lose.. then it’s the same old crap.

    So far this season the Sens have played 8 afternoon games (I’m considering any game before 6:00 pm) — they have won 1.

    Against the West.. they have 1 win and 1 OT loss — so surprise surprise they lose today..

    The Sens have 16 games this season that start before 6:00 pm. That’s damn ridiculous for a Cdn hockey team to play that many ‘early’ games..

    Two goals against within the first 4:18 of the first period would get any player down… Bad goals — 3 of them.. cost the Sens at least a point today.. It is what it is…

    • Michenator

      I completely agree. We have a good hockey team we just have to figure what’s going to make us better!

    • sprucesens

      not saying its time to blow up the team, but you have an excuse for every single loss every game. First it was the schedule, and all the away games. then wait till the 20 game mark, after we did no better at home. Now its afternoon games. And its teams from the west. And every single person here, including chirp, has openly questioned the coaching decisions Maclean has made. No consistency, no time allowed for chemistry to form for lines. Best players are NOT playing. Keep going back to a goalie who has nearly a 4 gaa instead of giving him a rest to think things over, after taking away a 3 game win streak from lehner for no real reason.

      i Would said this year more than any previous year, fans have more than a right to question any coaches decision making, let alone how Pmac has handled the lines. I’m not saying he needs to be fired, but someone in the organization has to say WTF? Maybe thats what Murray was doing when he said he had visions of zibanejad on the top 6 wing, instead of where mac keeps using him, as 4th C.

      This year, spezza has definitely earned his trade talk. Yes its a giant hole to fill with alfie gone. But so far he has shown zero capability to lead this team by example. Thats why fans want a trade, while he still has value. If he keeps playing this way, he likely won’t stay here when its time to sign, and we will lose him for nothing. There is a reason he has never been chosen for team canada. Until he shows the ability to completely control games consistently, he won’t be the leader. And at what, 29? he doesn’t have much time left in his prime.

      I’ve always hated the spezza trade talk and that it was all his fault the past years. But his play has declined drastically this year. Doesn’t mean he can’t bounce back, but also doesn’t mean he is near the end of his productive career, at least with the senators. Being that this is year 3 of a 3 year rebuild, and turris has far and away out performed spezza, essentially for 2 years, (injuries suck, but they do count) its a very logical standpoint to think now is the best time to trade spezza, if the team isn’t committed to him long term.

      Just remember, as dumb as it may sound to you to trade this person or that person, its sounds just as stupid to keep making excuses, and coming up with new one’s when the team still hasn’t turned it around. And i’m pretty sure not a single person has come on here saying we are the best after a win. At most, i’ve seen “maybe this is the start of the turn around”, covered with cautious optimism.

      And yes, a few too many people do come on to fire the coach. But as much as i wouldn’t do it, I can certainly see why they think its a great idea right now

      • Sandy

        So it’s an excuse that teams from the West have dominated the Sens and the East. So it’s an excuse, or is it a coincidence that the Sens are 1-7 to date in afternoon games.. Facts are facts.
        Did you expect Spezza to instantly grow into the captain’s position? That it would take time for him to adjust to that…
        Has McLean been mixing up the lines? Yes… But I will trust his judgement because he knows a hell of a lot more than me and most of the fans on this site.. He was a very good coach the last couple of seasons… did he instantly forget how to coach?

        What gets me is the same old garbage after every loss.. and it’s getting pretty frustrating to read. I don’t like them losing either and they frustrate the hell out of me.. but I don’t come on this site demanding trades or firing of the coach.
        The coaches I do question is Cameron because he is not doing his job. How many more wins would this team have it they could score a couple of PP goals every now and then. What has Rick Walmsley done to both Andy and Robin that they are both struggling this season. Robin has been better than Andy… but he is still not playing like Robin can..
        I’m a Sens fan and support my team win or lose…

    • Jacques

      Let’s never trade anyone ever again, I’m just loving this brand of hockey. Give Condra a raise and extend Neil and Phillips for 3 more years each cuz they’re just swell guys!

      • Sandy

        Yeah.. but this trade this guy crap comes after every freakin’ loss.

    • Aaron 2.0

      This isn’t true of all fans criticizing MacLean. Ottawa won last game and there were a lot of unhappy fans about their performance (me included). We’re not all saying fire MacLean. But, right now his coaching is as much of a problem as anything else. Line combinations change throughout the game. Best players are not getting ice time, even when they are playing well. Best players are being sent out with bottom 6 players with regularity. Special teams units are a mess. What are we suppose to say about MacLean? That he’s killing it? I’m not saying fire him, but he deserves as much criticism as anybody else.

      This excuse about afternoon games. Come on, they are professionals who make millions to play hockey. There’s no excuse for not being ready to play.

      Today the team played okay in their loss, especially considering the competition. Bad goals cost them. But, i’m not surprised that goal-scoring is drying up. It’s hard for the best players to play consistent hockey with the way the lines are right now. I said there was a problem the first time I saw Condra with Spezza. I can’t remember for sure, but I think they won that game. So, we’re not just criticizing in losses and praising in wins…

      • Sandy

        Look at the ice times for the whole team. A lot of them are down on ice time.. Karlsson, Turris, Ryan…
        Special teams is Cameron’s doing and he is not doing well.. but Sens are stuck with him..

        • Aaron 2.0

          That’s part of what i’m getting at though. If these guys are down, then who’s eating up the extra minutes? The answer scares me.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Aside from Karlsson. Half the game is too long for anyone, even him.

  • Michenator

    All this talk about the team and their lack of systems. I think we really need to set our lines and LEAVE THEM THAT WAY for at least 3-5 games. Let players develop chemistry and also establish proper positional play.

    Not saying anything new, just saying what I feel. Also, scoring is becoming an issue now, can’t only focus on the D and net issues.

  • Shibal

    I think this quote from the Citizen perfectly hits home on how Maclean has handled his players this year:

    “14:28:
    Ice time for Bobby Ryan, Ottawa’s leading scorer “

    • Sandy

      Turris played about 30 seconds more than Ryan..
      But it is odd.. I will give you that..

  • Kielbasa

    The team’s problem this season is it is just full of excuses. Excuses from PM after every single game. But no improvement the next game. Excuses from the players for the continual bad play leading to another loss. But no improvement the next game. Excuses from Anderson for getting pulled again. But no improvement the next game. Excuses from our captain for a lack of effort. But no improvement the next game. Excuses excuses excuses. It’s time for each member of this organization to shut their mouths and drop the excuses. Nobody is buying the cookie-cutter b.s..

  • SenaTHOR

    9mm’s minus 17 is ridiculous! Thought Cecil was OK unfortunately was directly responsible for 2 goals. Looks like he is willing to join the rush. Not sure if he is not ahead of PW as far as PHD.

    • Sandy

      Now he has not been good. He seems to have lost a couple of steps.. which is obvious..

  • luckan20

    Folks, we would have played well tonight if not for those 3 brutal goals given by our goalies. All happened within the first 5 minutes. It took life out of our forwards. We slowly climbed to narrow the lead, then a poor back checking effort by Spezza which led to goal number 4. The game over after that.

    IN the first three goals, even if defensive zone collapse or what ever, the goalies have to make those stops. It is unfortunate both Andy and Lehner looked bad in the first five minutes.

    Next game we will have guys like Cowen and Methot back. However, Ceci looked more comfortable in NHL. He will be still sent down to AHL.

    Finally, our PP coach sucks. It looks like every other team knows our PP style and they complete read our style of play.

  • Sandy

    Karlsson’s ice time was just over 24 min.. He’s down about 5 min a game… or more.
    4 games in 6 nights, maybe McLean is just trying to ‘use his bench’ and run 4 lines?
    Without Methot on the ice, I would have expected Karlsson to play more..

  • Tim

    B-sens tied at 4 after 2 periods. 2 goals for Schneider, Stone, Danny New. Robinson was sent to Elmira.

    • Sandy

      Robinson was pretty good in Bingo last season.. Has his game fallen off?

      • Jacques

        He played what 5 games in Bingo last year?

        • Sandy

          Well I remember a lot of people on here really liking him.

    • Jacques

      Schneider now there’s a guy who plays a good solid game, would be an upgrade on Condra!

  • Sandy

    Chicago is in tough. Corey Crawford is injured.. so his Khabibulin.. Guy in net tonight is Raanta (?) — backup is Simpson. Toronto winning 5-2…

    • aegiszx

      Khabi and Crow have been out for awhile now. Raanta is pretty steady but the D in front of him tonight played like shit! Hossa was nowhere to be seen (rare for him) seemed like Kane was the only one who felt like lacin up the skates tonight…

  • Tim

    Losing 7-4. Hammond is terrible. Only thing I can think of with Robinson is that despite his size he is not very physical at all

    • Sandy

      Where’s Nathan Lawson… is he injured?

  • Jacques

    Funny how the Laughs with all their problems can beat the hawks but god forbid we beat a good team! Murray where’s that. F-ing cell phone. Wakey, Wakey!

    • aegiszx

      At the game right now in Toronto… Hawks didn’t show up tonight, that’s just it. Guess coach Q is more focused on the Kings game tomorrow. Not happy the Sens AND Hawks lost tonight. Fudge…

      • Jacques

        Kings didn’t show up either cuz we outshot them 39-24 but they had enough to beat us! We have too many floaters who play from the perimeter. we have to stop with the excuses!

        • aegiszx

          Would be nice if a certain number 9… Milo showed up… Maybe I would care less if he made only 2M/year…

        • H POTTER

          Funny you guys always seem to focus on bogus stats like shots on goal vs actual GOOD SCORING chances. Or # of hits vs actually hitting the opponent and creating a scoring chance or coming out of the corner with the puck. Or the best one, face-off % vs actually winning the face-off and getting control of the puck without turning it over and generating good.offensive pressure.

    • Sandy

      Because most of their scorers can put the puck in the net.. and their goaltenders have been good.

  • luckan20

    Not bad we had over 17,100 fans at the game, but must have got disappointed from the end results. Looks like the freebies are over in Ottawa. Most of these attendees must have paid for the game tickets.
    Any one knows when does the holiday season freeze starts for non trades.

    • Sandy

      19th.. Don’t hold your breath for the Sens… money in and money out..