Game Day- Lehner Starts vs. Devils

SensChirp April 10, 2014 453
Game Day- Lehner Starts vs. Devils

With just three games left in their season, the Ottawa Senators have officially been eliminated from playoff contention and don’t have a whole lot left to play for other than pride and just closing the season on a positive note.

And after last night’s playoff clinching win by the Columbus Blue Jackets, the New Jersey Devils find themselves in the same position.

As much as the excitement has been taken out of these last few games, the Senators still sound like a motivated group that wants to finish the season strong. When you consider the fact that the Anaheim Ducks currently own the Sens first round pick in the Entry Draft this summer, it would be nice to finish as high in the standings as possible. And maybe even pass the Leafs along the way.

(UPDATE 11:28 AM) Based on the morning skate and it didn’tt look like there would be any changes to the line up but MacLean just spoke to the media and indicated that both Colin Greening and Mike Hoffman will play.  Matt Kassian and Jean Gabriel Pageau will sit this one out.  Here’s how the Coach is expected to line them up.

Michalek-Spezza-Hemsky
MacArthur-Turris-Stone
Hoffman-Zibanejad-Condra
Greening-Smith-Neil

Methot-Karlsson
Phillips-Gryba
Wiercioch-Ceci

Robin Lehner gets the start in the Ottawa goal. Puck drop is scheduled for just after 7:30 PM.

The Daily Chirp- Something to keep an eye on this summer- there seems to be a bit of a rivalry building between the Ottawa Senators and the Buffalo Sabres and it has nothing to do with the on-ice competition. When Tim Murray left for Buffalo a couple months back, he did so with the blessing of the Senators organization but since then, there have been rumours that two organizations aren’t exactly seeing eye to eye. I tweeted about this back in January but it sounds like Tim Murray is hoping to bring some Ottawa staff along with him. I suspect we’ll hear more about this in the next couple months.

  • Doc

    Tim can grab whoever he wants, but we’re keeping Dorion, Lee and Richardson.

    If any of those guys are leaving, I’ll freaking loose it…

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      Are we? Because from what Big Chirp is saying Timmy is looking to poach some of our management team. Wait and see I guess.

      • Doc

        I don’t get your comment. That’s exactly what I’m saying.

        Don’t care who he wants to poach, but I seriously hope it’s not one of the names I mentioned.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Leaving with the organizations blessing doesn’t give free reign on their staff….not entirely sure why Tim would consider it mutually exclusive.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    If Spezza is traded in the offseason I will be sick to my stomach for years. They cannot do this. He is the only true number one centre on the team. It would put us back.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      I am taking a wait and see approach to the Spezza trade talks. If we get a great return, fine…if we pull another Bishop I think I will implode.

      • Pasky

        Agree… If he gets us a Top 6 Winger and a Top 4 D then I’d pull the trigger, especially if he wants out anyways

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Yeah that is basically along the lines of what I am thinking as well.

          Not entirely sure what teams have the pieces to facilitate the deal though. I suspect IF we see something it would end up being

          Spezza
          +

          for

          top 6
          top 4
          +

          The plus leaving could really be just about anyone not named Karlsson, Ryan, Lehner. Ryan gets scratched from that list if he implies he isn’t interested in sticking around. I truly don’t think there are many 100% safe guys on the team, or associated in any roles.

          • Billy Bob

            If this deal doesn’t have a 1st rounder next year, I’ll be pissed

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            I doubt it will.

          • TookieIs100PercentRight

            Correct. Coming UFA with potential health issues, you’re looking at a 2nd rounder or two and maybe a good prospect. There will likely be a salary dump the other way.

          • Pasky

            I would think the plus would be a defenseman not named Karlsson or Methot. Next season we already have 7 defenseman and thats not counting if we decide to resign Gryba

            Karlsson
            Methot
            Weircioch
            Phillips
            Cowen
            Ceci
            Borwiecki
            Gryba***

          • Skeleton

            Spezza will NOT bring back a player top line player unless we are adding to the deal in a major way.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            ok

            *head shake*

        • Jonny

          Agreed it would have to be for something great, not for picks or unproven prospects…But then still, we dont have a legit #1C, Turris isnt there yet and I feel he would struggle like he did when he was given the #1C when Spezza was out. He’s too small and fragile to be a #1C

          Next in line is Zib, but he isnt rdy either to be #1C, he wold get eaten up, plus he is terrible at face offs…

          • Pasky

            But if we trade Spezza we aren’t trying to win a cup next year, it’s to set up pieces for a cup run in like 3 years or so. That should give plenty of time for them to further develop. And the fact that Zibanejad has developped this far already and he’s only 20 gives me hope that he’ll be a big talent.

            And not every team has a clear cut #1 Center and #2 Center. Who would you call #1 when comparing Backes and Berglund? We can still roll 2 talented lines without Spezza as both players arte similar in talent.

          • MakesSens

            He is small but it’s hard to say he’s fragile when he has missed little to no games since he’s been a Senator and then look at Spezza the human band-aid. I know the season are completely different but Turris as number 1 we made the playoffs and Spezza as number 1 we didn’t.

          • Zelle

            He trains a lot and bulked up quite a bit last season. He’ll probably do the same this season. He also takes a lot of hits, doesn’t avoid them. I don’t find Turris to be fragile whatsoever. I don’t think he has missed a single game in two seasons with the Senators playing against top competition?

        • Skeleton

          Not a chance. 0 chance.

          Start thinking along the lines of
          - Brassard and a 1st
          - Stepan straight up
          - Berglund and a 2nd
          - Cogliano and the Sens 1st rounder back
          - Spezza ++++ for O’Reilly.

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      If you guys think Kyle Turris can just step in and play as a consistent first line centre you are fooled. Turris is producing the way he is BECAUSE Spezza is the first line centre and Turris play 2C. It’s a better look for him. Spezza is a point per game player year in year out. You can’t replace production like that.

      It sucks to see that one failed season squarely because of the performance of the coach could make it seem like it’s certain players’ fault. This is completely Paul Maclean’s. He should be the first to go, before even talking about trading Spezza.

      Because at the end of the day, whoever we get in a Spezza trade would still be playing less than Chris Neil.

      • Billy Bob

        Turris is an all around player though, he’s great at both ends of the rink, don’t underestimate his skill and he’s still growing. Also, we’ve got Zibanejad who will only get better, he will soon be a threat that other teams will need to contain.

        • jasonontheoldsenschirp

          I agree and I believe in both players. I just believe in them even MORE with Spezza in the lineup. It’s good for everyone.

        • Senatollah

          Is ZBAD the center of the future or a winger? 2, 3, 4 years from now where will he be playing? Is Lazar a center only, could he lead a 3rd line with Turris/Zbad as 1/2 or 2/1?

          • Pasky

            Management seems hell bent to make him a Center, otherwise I think he would have rode shotgun on Spezza’s wing all year.

        • Jonny

          Haha Billy Bob, they dont even know where to play Zbad, I doubt he turns into Spezza like production anytime soon.

      • Doc

        Actually, quality of competition have been pretty similar for both lines.

        Remember that the Turris has basically been our first since the beginning of the season.

        • jasonontheoldsenschirp

          But Mika was still playing the 3C [even 4C at some times, which is retarded], as Spezza played 2C. Is Mika good enough now if we traded Spezz to move up for good and possibly be a second line centre? I’d like to think so because I think he’s very good, but unsure.

          Better to just keep Jason Spezza.

          • Pasky

            I would argue that Zib is ready for Top 6 Minutes. Give him quality line mates and we would have line 1A and 1B insted of 1 and 2

          • Doc

            I’m not advocating trading him, but keeping him just for the sake of keeping him is a bit risky.

            If another team is willing to offer a good package that would fit our needs, the Sens seriously needs to consider it.

            Another thing to keep in mind is that Spezza might not be willing to stay either.

          • Pasky

            Agree. Either sign him to an extension or trade him this summer, I feel those are the only 2 options they have. Otherwise the whole season will revolve around what does Spezza do and it’ll be a massive black cloud of negativity following the team.

          • Doc

            Yep. And the return will be of lesser value too.

      • Andrews theory

        Getting rid of MacLean would be far more detrimental to the on going success of this organization than moving Spezza.

        Not a single doubt in my mind

        • Doc

          Agreed.

        • runningbear1974

          I tried to have a discussion about this but it didn’t go down smooth… I push for those who support structured play… I vote the coach… The coach is thinking strategy and long term success… Those are the efforts he’s trying to achieve…

        • Jonny

          So Maclean losing control of his group doesnt make you wonder a bit?

          A good/consistent coach doesnt let it get to this point. He’s been great the first 2 years and now all of a sudden he cant coach worth shit? What happened? Players tuning him out.

          • Doc

            What do you base this on besides personal opinion?

          • Sandy

            How do you know McLean has lost control of this team? You don’t.. It’s just your opinion.
            If McLean is fired for having 1 bad season after two good ones, I will be one pissed off season ticket holder.
            The decision to fire McLean will come from the Owner… not Murray… That’s just my opinion however.

          • Zelle

            For a guy who criticized me for not speaking directly to Spezza about his wanting to stay or leave the Senators, you are making an awful lot of assumptions without being in that locker room.

      • sprucesens

        turris lead the team last year as the number one just fine. He also did so this year, and actually got better. His line has almost 50 less goals against than the spezza line.

      • MakesSens

        Production doesn’t always equal success. Look at Washington, 2 of the most productive players in the league and guess what they are playing golf with us. I’m not saying I don’t appreciate what he does but we do need to evaluate if he still fits here in Ottawa.

      • runningbear1974

        Turris has demonstrated a consistent improvement in play… If anything, you have to assume he’ll continue to improve…

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      Jay Spezz CAN’T be traded unless he allows it. He has the same NTC as Heatley (they got them simulataneously) so Murray needs to play real nice with Jason or he loses him as a free agent.

      • sprucesens

        at the same time, murray can say, guess what you are playing here. if you want out, accept one of these destinations, or you can go there in the offseason. Yes we get screwed more, but its sort of a 2way street on that one.

        • Pasky

          For the 1 season, then Spezza walks and we get nothing, Spezza-1 Ottawa-0

    • Zelle

      Do you really want a Captain and #1 center to stay despite him not really wanting to be in Ottawa though? I don’t think that would be good for Spezza or the team.

      • Jonny

        So he told you he didnt want to be here?

        • SensChirp

          I wrote about it a couple days ago. On this site. That you are currently visiting.

          • Jonny

            I didnt see a quote from Spezza saying he wants out. You talked about….here we go…rumours.

        • Zelle

          If you followed anything beside your own point of view, you would see that his answer to whether or not he will be staying in Ottawa next season wasn’t a yes, wasn’t a ‘that’s up to management’, it was ‘it’s too early to tell’. That is a rezoning doubt in his mind. That is a clear cut sign that he has thought about leaving. If you add that to what Chirp has been writing, then it’s pretty obvious what will happen, unless something drastic changes.

          Could something drastic change? Yes. But it would take something big in a small amount of time.

    • Skeleton

      Stock up on the Pepto Bismal NOW!!!

      • Jonny

        Ya no kidding, its gonna be hard to watch the Sens for the next 3-4 years without a #1C. While watching guys leave for better teams…

  • Pasky

    For people who don’t think Spezza can fetch a lot in a trade, keep in mind he’s one of only 6 active players in the top 50 for career point per game, and 2 of them are retiring within a couple of years (Selanne & Jagr)

    • Skeleton

      Haha. So what? Hello useless stats.

      • SensChirp

        sfjhnfghdfhtfgjdyjsthrshnsrthsrthbr

        • Doc

          When you put it that way.

          Something to think about for sure.

      • sprucesens

        points, although not the be all end all sign of a good player, is probably the single most telling stat of how good a player is, without ever watching a single game played. You look at the top point getters ever, and I bet you will only find excellent players. most of them winning along the way. Downvote sir

        • Skeleton

          And if you think a team can win with Spezza, his salary, his style of play and his PPG, than I feel sorry for you.

          Upvote for you because who cares about votes either way.

          I want to see the Sens win.

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      How much did Vanek bring back? He’s one of the top offensive forwards in the league on the last leg of his contract. People keep saying “He’ll get so much!” but the reality is year after year the returns aren’t that great.

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    Kinda dissapointed with all these rumours on twitter and Spezza leaving. There are pros and cons with the situation but I dont think it should be done. They should wait till middle of next season too see where we are. I say try spezza and Hemsky for a full season. Give people second chances

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      I agree with this

    • Pasky

      Ideally I’d like that but it becomes risky. Teams look to fill in needs during the off season and are willing to give up more for it. Halfway through next season, some teams may be reluctant because they might feel they’re out of the playoff picture, others cause they have no more cap space, and Spezza will be a free agent so they won’t want to give up a lot for half a season.

      I’d love to keep Spezza and Hemsky for a full season too but to get the best value out of a trade, it should be done at the draft.

      We know how injury prone Spezza can be. Can you imagine wanting to wait it out for half a season and he gets injured and shut down for the year? We’d lose him to free agency for jack shit and THAT would put us back further than trading him.

      • Moudy Mahfouz

        Like i said, there are pros and cons but there is a reason why they gave him the C, yes he didnt have the greatest season but he has looked very good for the majority of the games within the last half of the season. Give him one more chance to lead this team. I dont wanna give the C to any of our young guns just yet.

        • Pasky

          Would explain the Phillips signing… Keep him for 2 years with the C and wait to see who steps up as a leader. Don’t know if I agree with it but definitely a possibility. If they plan on keeping Spezza for the year at least give him a 1 or 2 year extension to avoid losing him to free agency and I’d be ok with that, but i doubt Spezza signs that contract

          • Moudy Mahfouz

            I really think Maclean and Spezza have a rocky relationship. That is what makes me scared, its either we lose one or the other

          • Jonny

            Clouston or Heatley
            Alfie or Maclean
            Spezza or Maclean

            Are we really gonna go 0-3….We need to learn to go with the Player…

          • Pasky

            Saying Alfie or MacLean is a big stretch dude… That was Alfie or Melnyk and player always loses that battle

          • runningbear1974

            I’m willing to bet MacLean and Alfie had a really good relationship…

          • bishbosh

            Putting the C on Phillips is a huge step back. I’d rather it skipped him and went straight to Karlsson. There are a whole bunch of young (25 or under) captains in the league now – Toews, Landeskog, Benn, tavares, Stamkos).

          • Zelle

            We don’t have players like Toews and Benn to be Captain right now though. They hit, fight, score highlight reel goals, and skate hard to the net. We have individual players for those things, but IMO no player that does them all.

          • Doc

            Since when does Toews or Benn fight??

          • Zelle

            Benn rocks at fighting! I don’t mean they go out of their way to instigate or anything like that, but when it’s needed they get it done.

          • Doc

            I still wouldn’t want my stars fighting, even if they were any good at it.

          • Zelle

            Oh yeah it’s scary to think they might get hurt, but I’d rather they step up and fight and know how to take/give a hit than to skate away, like Crosby. I was watching Turris in a fight, and basically got elbowed in the face while being pinned by another guy, so he pushed back, and then ended up fighting Coots and lost, but he stood his ground and I like that. Toews is a bit more like that. Benn seems to be more of a fighter type, but still a star.

          • The Apostle

            But you don’t have to be a grizzled old vet to be captain. Especially one (Phillips) that the majority of fans don’t think should be playing most nights.
            The organisation had a perfect chance to create a new environment when Alfredsson left, if Spezza stays he should retain the captaincy. But going to somebody like Phillips is a colossal mistake.He isn’t, never was and never will be the face of the franchise.
            We have a generational talent in Karlsson, if Spezza leaves , he should be the next captain. The only other guy who sort of makes sense is Turris.

          • Zelle

            I agree; Karlsson or Turris the captain IF Spezza leaves. Otherwise Spezza remains the captain

    • Zelle

      I agree with this iff Spezza WANTS to stay. I think everyone needs to understand that he may not actually want to stay with the Senators.

      • sprucesens

        I agree, while I don’t think trading spezza for a good return will necessarily be a bad thing, especially with injuries, $$ and age all getting up there, its probably a smart business decision. But, with hemsky, he has been rejuvenated and really looked like a top player again. like zelle said, if he WANTS to stay, it would be a good choice to sign hemsky and try it out. If he wants out, it could be tough to keep hemsky, and it’ll be tough to get a good return on spezza. Worst case is, the info gets out that he wants out, and won’t accept a trade that is good for the organization, similar to what heatley did. Then he becomes a player that gets booed when he comes back, because he asked for a trade, and used his NTC to go where he wants. Dicey situation for all involved. Easiest I would think, is if a team that wants him offers fair value. Good luck murray

    • Skeleton

      Just wait until the media attention that will happen if Spezza is still in the lineup next season and things fail worse than this season.

      Spezza will actually get booed out of Ottawa.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      This is exactly what happens in Canada when your Team is eliminated. There isn’t much point talking Hockey, even with 3 games left, so they go into every other possible story available, just to make news. As much as I like to hear some inside info, I really think it’s being take too far these days. And you almost can’t shut it out now, it’s everywhere.

  • FBP

    I hope these years of being an off ice embarrassing disaster lead to not being an embarrassing disaster.

  • Cicero

    If Spezza and Hemsky both return next season, I predict each will have a career year. Spezza: 90+ pts.; Hemsky: 80+ pts.; and I don’t care who they find for LW.

    • Doc

      I want to live in your fantasy land. Sounds awesome.

      • Jonny

        Well Spezza got 84 with No Knees and Greening/Condra/Smith/Neil…So ya not far off.

    • Sandy

      They could end up together… on another team. I will take such pleasure to come on this site next year.. and write a big.. I TOLD YOU SO.. to the success they will have.

      • runningbear1974

        Thorton is having lots of success in San Jose… And, Boston is also a good team… It’s possible to have win-win situation…

        • Sandy

          Boston had a lot more than Thornton. They also have a rich owner..

          • Zelle

            For any team to be a success they need to be more than just one guy. Even Pitts had Malkin on their Cup run when Sidney goals ran dry.

  • Zelle

    If T. Murray is poaching that’s not cool. Is there actually anything the Sens org can do to stop them though? Especially if people aren’t happy.

    • sell the team Eugene

      Tim Murray has probably been sent 50 resumes this morning.
      Would you want to continue working for Melnyk Pinchpenny ?

    • Corey Trevor

      I donno if anything can be done, maybe Melnyk starts another forensic investigation

  • Pasky

    If Anaheim is interested in Spezza, I’d go after Lindholm and Bonino if possible.

    Spezza
    Weircioch

    for

    Bonino
    Lindholm
    1st 2015

    MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
    Bonino-Zibanejad-Hemsky
    Hoffman-Pageau-Stone
    Greening-Smith-Neil
    Condra

    Lindholm-Karlsson
    Methot-Ceci
    Phillips-Cowen
    Borowiecki

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      No to moving Weircioch

      • Pasky

        I like him too but I figured the coaching staff has something against him anyways so if they wont use him, trade him for value. Anahiem would want one of him, Cowen or Ceci in this deal I’m sure.

        • Jonny

          You wont get Lindholm, u drunk?

          • Pasky

            Soon….. It’s my Friday today lol

      • Skeleton

        Agreed. No to moving Wiercioch. He may end up being the best of the young D we have (Ceci and Cowen). I excluded Karlsson obviously.

        I hope Wiercioch is not traded with all the trades that will be happening this offseason.

      • runningbear1974

        You don’t trade guys who are determined to workout and practice…

  • sell the team Eugene

    “but it sounds like Tim Murray is hoping to bring some
    Ottawa staff along with him”

    This is going to be a disaster for Ottawa – the good front office people
    will leave as CSI Melnyk continues to do bizarre things.

  • aegiszx

    You cant stop people from leaving, you just gotta move on. If Tim does indeed manage to convince some peers/colleagues to join him in Buffalo, what can you do? That’s just business.

    • Corey Trevor

      You can make it so people don’t want to leave… and I’m not sure that’s the case in Ottawa at the moment

  • Jer6

    Apparently Tim’s family still lives out here so no wonder he wants friends lol

    • Sandy

      He probably wanted his children to finish school in Ottawa..

  • Corey Trevor

    You know, I love the Sens but if management/ownership keeps franking around with great players I may need to find a back-up team to cheer for while they get their sh!t together. Alfie gone, Eugene and the forensic investigation/casino mess, now Spezza looks like he’s leaving… ‘this house is falling apart’ as Chirp posted. The zero year rebuild looks to be going sideways awfully fast.

    The sad part is that the team, on paper, looks like it’s only one or two pieces away from being great. It’s all the off-ice stuff that’s hurting: not getting a D earlier in the year, playing/dressing Cowen so much, resigning Phillips for 2 years after his play declines so steeply, WAIVING CONACHER! Not to mention the on-ice stuff like deployment and TOI (and rumours that ownership/management is interfering). Like, what is going on…

    Honestly, if we lose Spez, Ryan or Karlsson, or don’t sign Hemsky, I think I may need to put the Sens on the backburner for a while. Blind admiration for this team is starting to become painful.
    I mean… GAMEDAY! Yeah!

  • I’m just sayin’

    One man’s opinion – it’s time for Spezza to go

    another opinion
    - the trade return for someone who is injured as often as he is
    will be lower than everyone’s expectations

    • SensChirp

      Plus a no trade clause. Plus if it’s known that he wants out. We are going to lose the deal badly.

      • Doc

        You make it sounds so sexy.

      • son of a Diefenbaker

        realistically – I’m hoping for a 20 solid minutes a game top 4 D-man
        and a couple of high draft picks for JS19

        • Jonny

          You wont get that from a contender, and thats where he wants to go IF he wants out.

          Imagine IF he does want out, maybe Heatley had it right….Then Alfie, now Spezza and soon Karlsson…

          • boom

            Please send me the next Lotto winning number.

          • Doc

            Tookie?

    • Skeleton

      I agree with both those opinions!

  • Skeleton

    Really looking forward to seeing these last 3 games and how individual players work. Big game for Lehner tonight as both teams are finally officially playing for nothing other than pride and showcasing.

  • Zelle

    Really good compilation of Spezza’s moves:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4YsidPZSyc

    • runningbear1974

      Wow… Watching his highlights, i would want to get him 2 play making wingers, and not goal scoring wingers… He could easily score 50…

  • Doc

    Alright, I’ll put this out there.

    Has anyone thought about this possibility: With the work he’s done in Bingo, if MacLean is fired, are we looking at Richardson being promoted?

    • son of a Diefenbaker

      Melnyk’s boyfriend will get the job before LR does

      • Doc

        Not if Murray can help it. But again, Uncle Euge writes the pay checks.

      • Sandy

        The lose me as a season ticket holder and a fan if that ever happens.
        What qualifications would Cameron have to get the head coaching job? The really good job he did with special teams this season?

    • Jonny

      A hard nose coach a la Berube in Philly, could work. Actually I would prefer it to “best players play…but dont really” Maclean.

    • thepez

      Without being an “insider” like many claim to be, my thoughts are that the entire coaching staff gets the axe. Coach Mac goes to Winnipeg, meaning the Sens are not on the hook for his contract and then Luke comes up to coach the team.

    • runningbear1974

      Yep, Murray has set up a bunch of backup plans…

    • Pasky

      I think Maclean gets a good talking to but is given another chance next year on a shorter leash. Firing him now would be a mistake.

    • runningbear1974

      Last year Murray and MacLean would have had an end of the year discussion… They probably came up with a plan for this year… This year they tried implementing that plan but too many bad things happened… There were lots of assumptions, based on last year’s play, and then addition of Spezza and Karlsson…
      They’re going to have an end of year discussion…

      MacLean is going to say “I need this to happen, this is what i want”
      and then Murray is going to say “Yes, i can do that, or, NO, i can’t do that”…
      That’s what i think is going to happen…

    • Skeleton

      If MacLean goes, I will have no clue about the direction this team wants to take.

    • Skeleton

      Richardson would only leave Bingo and his daughter if it was for a head coaching position in the NHL. He has said that himself.

      Now, if MacLean is fired, they would have to seriously consider Richardson. The Sens defensive struggles alone this season speak to that. I don’t care if Dave Cameron and Melnyk are secret lovers, Richardson gets a fair shot at this position. Rumblings of Barry Trotz as well now…

      But, there is no way Spezza gets another head coach in Ottawa. No way. If MacLean is fired, Spezza gets traded shortly after.

      If MacLean goes and Spezza doesn’t, that falls on Murray and I would have no choice but to not renew my season tickets. The direction that scenario takes the Sens is not one I will be a part of.

      • Doc

        Things should be interesting in the upcoming week.

        • Skeleton

          After the season ends, I’m going to be on pins and needles waiting for my phone (goal horn) alarm to go off which indicates an Ottawa Senator update from The Score.

          Does anyone have a better app they use for Sens updates? I can’t be by my computer in the spring as much as I can be in the winter.

          • Doc

            For trades or just regular news?

            For trades I tend to use the TSN app.

          • Skeleton

            Just strictly Sens news/trades/firings/signings.

            I can wait until I am home or at work for the other 29 teams.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I just added all the hockey guys on TSN along with Boo Boo on Twitter and get good results

          • Skeleton

            Thank you. I’ve done all that already, but I actually need to scroll and search on Twitter to find news.

            I was more looking for something that would send me a text message or alert when some Sens news breaks.

          • CUP 2014-15

            well I do use TSN Trade centre and get a Google alert for any trades if that helps

          • Skeleton

            That’s what I was looking for. Thanks.

  • MakesSens

    Has anyone heard that Shea Weber might get traded. Considering we are on a budget, I know this is far from reality but it would be a treat to have that caliber of player here.

    • Jonny

      You are not paying attention to what is happening in Ottawa, players are leaving with the Org in a mess… Why would Weber come play here…

      • Pasky

        Not too mention it would cost us an arm and a leg, and Weber wouldn’t want to play second fiddle to Karlsson

        • bishbosh

          Wouldn’t matter. If Weber comes here from nashville it’s only because karlsson has gone the other way.

      • thepez

        Any chance you can mention what players you are talking about? Last time I checked the 23 players that have been with the team since the trade deadline are still here.
        Not sure that you are paying attention.

        • Jonny

          sigh…Alfie, Spezza and more to follow.

          • Pasky

            So when you say playerS, it’s literally 1 player so far with a 2nd rumored?

          • TookieIs100PercentRight

            Heatley, Alfie and more to come.

          • Corey Trevor

            Except for coke and hookers, Heatley doesn’t score anymore… doesn’t come close to losing Alfie or Spez.

            https://twitter.com/DanyAllStar15

          • thepez

            Spezza will not be going anywhere. My guess is, and I’m only going by Murray’s cryptic comments, Murray extends Spezza, Ryan and MacArthur, signs Hemsky, maybe Michalek (if he takes a discount) and gets rid of Coach Mac. I really believe that Murray thinks with a bit of better coaching he has the players to do some damage

          • Jonny

            I agree we had a pretty decent team this year, on paper and with terrible coaching we ended up where we are now…

          • Doc

            I love that you blame all the problems on the coach.

    • Senatollah

      If he is available and IF he would agree to be traded to Ottawa that deal would happen for any player other than Karlesson or Turris. I think those are the only two untouchables on the Sens this offseason.

      And as Fans we all keep using the term BUDGET with nothing to substantiate it with.
      1. Media says budget $50, well team spent much more than that this year. Plus spent much more than they should have compared to most team on their AHL team.
      2. Take our current roster. Move all ELC player to what they would be paid if out of ELCs, take other roster players and adjust up and down their current salary to comparables on other teams (Turris would cost much more, MM09 would cost slightly less) and see what we would actually be paying in a few years (i wish someone had the time to do this, wouldn’t surprise me if we were close to the cap)

    • Skeleton

      Not happening, but I would have no issue trading Spezza, Wiercioch, Stone and 2015′s 1st for Weber. Not sure that is enough though.

      • Pasky

        Replace Stone with Puempel and I think Nashville would do it…. I wouldn’t like parting with 2015 1st though

        • Skeleton

          You might be right.

          Meh, the are all replaceable pieces that land you Weber, so I’d be happy to do it.

          Won’t happen though.

  • Jonny

    So lets say 19 leaves, we roll with:
    Turris
    Zib
    Pageau
    Smith

    Do you guys really think we can get anywhere with that? I mean, its gonna be another 3-5 years before we are even respectable. And what of those players leave during those 3-5 years of struggle. (Hemsky, CMac, Ryan, Methot, Karlsson)

    Its all about keeping the players happy, while icing a competitive team, players were shocked Alfie left, now probably disgruntled as Spezza leaves, the air is toxic…what next?

    • Pasky

      Spezza or no Spezza we can’t go anywhere till our back end improves.

      • Jonny

        Well yes but that is easier said than done.

        Our D is too slow right now, with Cowen, Phillips and Gryba. Too mistake prone. Maybe Richardson as D coach next year would help.

        • Pasky

          I don’t know if Gryba will be back next year. I like him as a 6/7 guy but with Boro and his 1-way contract next year not sure if there’s room for him… unless we bring Ceci back to the AHL which doesn’t make sense to me

          • CUP 2014-15

            That would be a mistake.

    • runningbear1974

      I don’t mind that lineup…
      Lets say the bulk of the ice time goes to Turris, Zib,and Smith…
      Hoffman, Pageau, Condra on 4th line (defensively responsible, might score too)
      Find Smith some wingers, and that’s a team…
      Oh yeah, defense play better…

    • Pasky

      Still a competitive line up without Spezza

      Mac Turris Ryan
      (Spezza Trade) Zib Hemsky
      Hoffman Smith Stone
      Greening Pageau Neil

      Methot Karlsson
      Cowen Ceci
      Phillips PW46
      Boro

      Problem still lies in the back end. If we get a suitable partner for Karlsson and drop Methot with Ceci then I think this is a playoff team

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      I wouldn’t worry TOO much about 5 years…if we move Spezza and it is for future pieces we will be adding one hell of a high pick in the 2015 draft + potentially other picks in that draft.

      I am honestly almost all for a full rebuild.

      Move

      Spezza
      Philips
      Neil
      Anderson

      Go with a comparable lineup to what we ran with last year, let them team build, and rally around each other. Do the rebuild properly, fits with Melnyks cheapness for now as well so I guess sorta a win/win

    • Skeleton

      Who did we get in return for Spezza? I think that guy (whoever we trade for) will be our #2 center next season.

      That means our centers will be Turris, New Guy, Zibanejad and Smith. And that I like a lot.

      Whether that center is Perreault, Cogliano, Brassard, etc it doesn’t matter to me. We will be getting a two-way pivot in return in my opinion.

  • MakesSens

    Ok so everyone wants to keep Spezza although we made it to the playoffs without him last year.

    So what do we do? Hope that next year is better than this year? Do we keep giving this guy, our local Band-Aid a second chance until he’s really worth nothing?

    I love the guy when he’s hot but when does his no look passes or when he has back injuries. I think I would rather do without. We need a leader not a show boater.

    • Jonny

      And we made it with him to the Cup.

      And who do you think should lead us, who has that leadership ability?

      • MakesSens

        To be honest I don’t think we have a leader today. That doesn’t mean there isn’t one for the future. We can either go get a leader or wait for one to flourish. As for your cup comment. Guess what, 2007 was a long time ago and well…. we lost.

        • Sandy

          We lost because we had 3 top 6 forwards… just like most of you want to have for next year…

          • MakesSens

            Would you care to elaborate? Not sure I understand why this is directed at me?

  • mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    Good. Spezza is a loser. Can’t win with him.

    • Pasky

      trolllolllollololololl

      • TookieIs100PercentRight

        How is this a troll? Spezza has a Less Cunningham trophy as his only hardware and he got bounced in the playoffs afterward. He’s never won anything of import.

        • Pasky

          Honestly it’s less about the comment and more about the username and this is his first comment on the site. That’s a troll right there.

          • TookieIs100PercentRight

            I understand that, peace out bro.
            TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Miguel

          took this team as the #1 centre to the SCF and almost lead the entire NHL in playoff points that year.
          PPG in NHL and in Playoffs.
          Sorry Took wannabe, but these are accomplishments that not all #1 C in NHL can claim. And those that do are highly acclaimed!

          • TookieIs100PercentRight

            Are we talking about Alfredsson or Spezza? All that stuff you listed isn’t an actual Hart, Cup or anything. Pierre Turgeon had a lot of points too, never did a damned thing.
            TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Miguel

            there is a huge list of #1 centres, that were not a PPG players, and never made it to the SCF and were not the leading scorer in the playoffs. That list would carry some very impressive names, all of them could not achieve the levels Spezza has.
            Sorry Spezza detractors, those numbers just do not lie.
            and STAY OUT!!!! :-)

        • 010101111101111111111

          what is a Tookie ?

    • Deadly

      Tell us how great you are to be able to call any NHL player a loser.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    We are going to win tonight and the Leafs will lose. We will jump ahead of them in the standings and bury them on Saturday!

    Go Sens Go!

  • PraiseAlfie11

    To question spezza’s scoring production ability is comical.

    To question his leadership ability is also comical. Nobody here is in the room.

    To think that trading Spezza for a return of less than we gave for Ryan is asinine. That would set us back for years. Turris isn’t taking his place.

    PS: Still looking for that store that has Towes’ and Bergeron’s in stock…every place I’ve called says they are ultra rare and on backorder.

    • runningbear1974

      I don’t know Toews as well but Bergeron worked his way up… He wasn’t drafted high… He put in lots of effort, made it, and was grateful to Boston for that opportunity… 6’2″… 195lbs… I think you can develop players in the style of Bergeron… You just need to believe, and put the effort…
      You have to put effort somewhere…

    • Andrews theory

      Playing devils advocate…

      You really think Spezza is the guy at practice telling everyone to haul ass or even lead that full out mentality by example? Doubtful

      When another player makes a brain fart play costing the game or coasts back to our end dropping their assignment, you think Spezza has a chat with them about it? Again doubtful

      Look around the league at the leaders producing team oriented results

      Chara, Landeskog, Toews, Giroux etc. these guys give everything 100% of the time and have earned the right to chew out a team mate when the need arises

      • Sandy

        Did Alfie do that? We don’t know.
        Not every captain is a hard ass like Messier.. Yzerman wasn’t that.. neither was Sakic..

    • MakesSens

      You don’t have to be in the room to see a leader. It’s on ice and off. He ON the ice is not a leader. When he coughed up the puck, how fast does he try to recover his mistake. When the the opposing team is in our end, look at who he’s covering and how well. I can wager that 8 out of 10 times your going to look at these things, your going to think twice about giving him the C. A lot of players can get points in the NHL, we need players that don’t allow points to be scored on us. It’s SOOOOO easy to look at a player that has loads of points and say “Hey he’s good.”. It’s a lot tougher to recognize 2 way talent that doesn’t always show up on the score board.

  • Phil.

    Spezza is 14th in scoring amonst centermen. Who has less points would you take over him to make him your #1. There may be a few but not many.

    • Pasky

      Is your space bar broken? lol

      • Phil.

        Tried to post a table. failed. I guess only Chirp has the magic Table power. Had to edit the post.

        • xiorcal

          save it as jpeg and post the picture.

          • Phil.

            Thanks. Not really working for me either. User error for sure.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

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      !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Doc

      Chirp will be ashamed of your table making skills.

  • CUP 2014-15

    I think if Spezza wants to stay, he will be resigned. Last year without him in the lineup the team makes the post season well so what! the Leafs actually made it. Strange stuff happens in short seasons .He is a career plus player and with his huge minus this year he has drawn the ire of the fans yet EK gets by without any heat. I have said this before but can’t locate the stats but I would like to know JS +- with EK on the ice as opposed to the other D and also EK’s +- with the other centres on the ice. When this team is 5 on 5 the Spezz line with EK looked awful. The only guy on the ice who played his D role was Methot. Would like to see Spezz with Hemsky for a full season. Then again it all depends on offers. Spezz is still more valuable then the locals give him credit for but hockey fans eat our own, every team has star players they run out of town. A lot of fans would be surprised to see the return for Spezz and then wonder what was wrong in Ottawa when he is lighting it up with good wingers on another team. On top of it all, this was a tough year to become captian and follow the greatest Senator we have seen. This team was over rated from day one and their Netminders came back to earth, the young D continued to develop. Go Sens GO. Hope Marty and JJ get good ovations tonight, be classy Ottawa.

  • Sandy

    With all of the SPECULATION of McLean being fired.. Spezza leaving… No Hemsky or Michalek.
    ….Lots of the Sens good hockey people going to Buffalo..
    IMO.. this team is becoming a shell of it’s former self. It will be a joke.
    The next few seasons could become a big nightmare and the Sens could be the laughing stock of the NHL.

    All because of the fucking Owner.

    • Deadly

      If everything happens that you read on line on all sites , we will have someone else’s team here and our team will be playing somewhere else. The truth of the matter is ,that change on hockey teams happens at a slower rate.Contracts will rule the day.

      • CUP 2014-15

        LOL, Well said

      • Sandy

        Who will want to come to Ottawa after seeing one captain after the other leave? Good hockey people bolt for another organization…
        No UFA would want to come to this team… no decent ones anyway.
        We will become worse than the Edmonton Oilers..

        • Deadly

          UFA signing of top talent is a bit of a crap shoot.Lesser rated players will go anywhere they are valued as a hockey player with specific skill sets. MacArthur and Clarkson are 2 examples of players who moved last year. Decisions are made for very different reasons but ice time always is a key.

        • Deadly

          We wanted Schultz pretty badly but he went to Edmonton. That is in the midst of their turbulent times.
          In this case we were worse than Edmonton and many other teams.

          • sprucesens

            Schultz didn’t want to play in the minors, the oilers had room for him immediately, so he chose them. I think he even said that, or implied it one way or another, stating he was ready for the NHL, and felt he was done in the minors

          • Deadly

            So,ice time can influence signings. Decisions on where to go does not always come down to the city,it’s weather or fans.

    • 010101111101111111111

      Eugene Melnyk = Charles Wang 2.0

      • Sandy

        No.. Eugene Melnyk = Harold Ballard 2.0…

      • sprucesens

        Charles wang = melnyk 2.0???

  • MethotToMyMadness

    I’m actually excited for this game tonight. It’s a total pride and showcase type of game, with the big excitement being our possibility of hitting the 84 point mark, which would tie us with Toronto. That would require the Buds losing to Florida tonight, which is totally possible! So Cheer on our Team, and yell Boo Leafs!!!

    • Deadly

      I think this will be a big game for Lehner.He needs to have a statement game to follow up on Anderson’s game the other night. I am sure that he has his eyes focused on next year and knows that this years finish will be important.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51
    • CUP 2014-15

      Thanks for that, just confirms how short sighted CBC is. From fortune 500 reports, all sporting league contracts are booming due to the invention of the PVR as sport is becoming the one mainstay on TV that merits watching live and therefor still holds huge value to ad companies.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Yeah, I am really baffled by this choice….well not really, It makes sense due to being illogical, but yeah….STRANGE

        • CUP 2014-15

          Makes no sense at all. It looks like they want to minimize annual looses without forecasting future results. Heads should roll over at CBC but not the ones being chopped. Laughable.

          • A-Train

            Well, I’m convinced. You seem to understand the future of broadcasting and how financial “looses” work much better than the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Not what I am saying, I am simply voicing my opinion on this move or are opinions now considered know it all statements?

          • A-Train

            I think before you start throwing down some “business 101″ you should probably take a closer look at the economic picture that’s lead to this moment.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I have little interest in how they got here. Fact remains that Spot contracts have increased to the point that even the sporting organizations themselves are shocked. Take a look at the new contract of the Dodgers if you want to feel sick. This is their market place and when you walk away from the one forecasted revenue growth that you have a shot at, well…..that says it all.

          • A-Train

            The CBC is a crown corporation. To have outbid Rogers on a $5.2B contract would have been absurd (and impossible).

            May have made sense at one time in this country, but no longer.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Its not about loosing the Contract to Rogers its about where they are cutting, this contract loss has allowed or pushed them to turn away from Sport as a revenue and I think this is a mistake. Why not go after regional broadcast rights for teams like Ottawa, we know TSN will be all over that one.

      • Corey Trevor

        What? The CBC can’t afford the rights anymore… how does that make them short sighted?
        “Funding shortfalls and revenue losses have forced CBC/Radio-Canada to cut $130 million from its budget this year, a move that will eliminate 657 jobs over the next two years and take the network out of competing for the rights to broadcast professional sports, the public broadcaster says.”
        And
        “CBC has been coping with a loss of $115 million in federal government funding over three years that was announced in the 2012 federal budget.”

        • CUP 2014-15

          If their answer to having been out bid on contracts is to drop out of the race then yes it’s short sighted as the focus is on impending looses in coming years, the future of television has turned to reality tv and everyone on the planet can see it but them. Even in regards to reality tv, it can be recorded and viewed later to see who got kicked off the island or whatever. Where will this leave the CBC in the coming years now that they are virtually walking away from what is becoming the main source of revenue for their marketplace.

          • Corey Trevor

            If they don’t have the money to compete with Rogers and Bell, it doesn’t mean they’re short sighted… it means they’re broke. For instance, Rogers made a profit of $12.7B last year, BCE was around $7.6B. CBC has an annual budget of less than $1B.

          • CUP 2014-15

            O.K. Lets throw out the short sightedness and simply go with business 101, your company is struggling to bring in new contracts so you are looking at a drop in revenue. This move is equal to letting go your sales team as a result of the shortcomings, net result is that now your not even in the game. You have cut payroll to reduce losses but have nothing in place moving forward. That does not make sense to me. This is in essence what CBC is doing by dropping out of the one market tagged to continue advertising revenue growth in coming years. Or are you seeing something else in this because it sure reads that way to me. I don’t like the future of CBC with these type of moves.

          • Corey Trevor

            The CBC is a crown corporation and not a ‘business’ as we understand it – it has a specific mandate to provide service to Canadians, not to make profits. It has to spend a sh!t ton of money making Canadian programming like Artic Air. I agree with your thoughts on business, but the CBC isn’t a ‘true’ business…

          • CUP 2014-15

            I don’t disagree with you one bit and I understand they have their hands tied. You and I will be among those helping to support this Corp moving forward as their biggest money maker and the one program that has helped keep them afloat has been the NHL. I truly feel for the CBC employees and in honesty even myself as I grew up watching hockey night in Canada when there were 2 English channels and one French. I will miss it. Government run or not, this is a bad section of the organization to cut away from, Just my opinion. Good luck to those who have lost their jobs over this.

          • Zelle

            No one can compete with Bell and Rogers as they can rob Canadians blind and there is nothing we can do about it unless we immigrate to another country or live without Internet or TV. I don’t know about you but I can’t live without the Internet.

  • luckan20

    Firing McLean will be not the right step. First Eugene need to open up his wallet to sign a Top 4 D. Trade guys like Condra, Wiercioch or Cowen and Greening (if Condra not moved); sign Hemsky and an extension to Lehner.
    On the RFA, first order of priority to ink Ryan for a long term deal (6 years), followed by McArthur (4 years), Anderson (3 years) and Methot (3 years).
    Spezza for 3 – 4 years

    Michalek only if he take a significant cut, if not let him walk. We have guys like Stone, Hoffman and Puempel to fill the roster or sign a veteran player like Jagr or Stemnyak.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      God no to Anderson for 3 years.

      • Deadly

        Do you think having him on a reasonably length ,reasonably priced contract makes him a valuable asset to be used or moved at trade deadline. Similar to having a player like Jagr signed for a reasonable dollars and then moved at the trade deadline. I wondered if the Devils could have recovered some lost draft choices by moving him at the deadline. Instead they gambled that they could make the playoffs.

    • Sandy

      Everyone from top down is responsible for not making the playoffs. But the coach should not have to be fired for it. He can only work with what he has.. and on that defense.. that Melnyk would not spend to properly fix… he didn’t have much of a chance.
      It’s going to be even harder to get into a playoff spot next season.. and losing key players and a good coach will mean the team will miss the playoffs again.. They will be closer to Buffalo rather than 8th place.

      • sprucesens

        not that I condone firing maclean, but there were good players this year and bad. while its on the bad players to be better, its on the coach to see that they aren’t playing well, and bench them, and give time to those that are playing well. This simply did not happen this year, often times igniting massive debates and anger on here, and across all fans, i’m sure. It’s on the GM to trade, or in some cases, not sign the bad players to begin with, so the coach can play all his players. Its on the owner to give the GM enough assets and freedom to do so. Problems with all of them? Yes. Easiest scapegoat? the coach. Murray isn’t going anywhere until he retires. He brought in turris, macA, ryan, zib, karlsson, Anderson, and the list goes on… and pretty much all of our top prospects. He was screwed over by the owner in the alfie situation, by melnyk disrespecting alfie directly. And then the internal budget to not add much this year. And with all the coaching decisions that left fans scratching their heads, maybe murray felt the same way? I’m thinking back to when he basically came out and said zib should be top 6, not 4th line, like maclean had been using him. And ryan wondering if he kicked mac’s dog or something, due to not getting any ice time. And methot being upset that he is benched when he felt ready. And alfie being very pissed off at being benched, was it last year? or the year before in the playoffs, when we were losing and needed some life.
        While we are all quick to want to place blame, and we don’t have all the facts, its quite possible all these hints are actually leading in the right direction, that Maclean is actually a problem. Maybe that’s why spezza wants out? Who knows. But judging by how other players have reacted this year to the coach, I certainly wouldn’t put is as very far fetched. And i’d rather keep our hockey players than our coach.

  • whammer44

    Some staff? You mentioned Rob Murphy…rumours of someone else?

  • Miguel

    gotta be honest, my interest in this year has dramatically dropped off.
    In the past we have never fallen so low after such lofty expectations, which makes this years disappointment all that more difficult.
    One of the worst areas other than our GAA and shots against, is the low production coming from out bottom 2 lines. Chicago has something like 75 points coming from their 4th line.
    Shit I dont think our 3rd and 4th line combined comes up with that many points.
    So much has gone wrong, the real test will be how does management define what the real problems of this team are, and how are those prioritised and corrected over the summer.
    Gong to be a long summer… at least we have the Redblacks this year, and our expectations can not be too high for them this year,

    • Sandy

      Chicago was out of the playoffs for 7 straight seasons. They sucked for years before they became who they are now — mainly because of high draft picks..
      Good drafting and key UFA signings.. due to a very good team — will get you a deep team..
      I don’t think there is any fan in Ottawa who would settle for a team to miss the playoffs for 7 straight seasons. They can’t take being out of the playoffs for 1 season..

      • Zelle

        Hey now, broad strokes and everything!

  • whammer44

    Also everyone should disembark the Spezza stays in Ottawa bus…this morning he said… “when asked if he wanted to remain a Senator, Jason Spezza said it was too early to discuss such things”…when translated…”Good bye everybody”

    So all the Spezza talk should now be trade speculation.
    Since LA needs to score more how about to the Kings for Richards. I’ll let BM work out the tweaking to get it done.

    • Sandy

      He also said.. with losing comes changes. Maybe he just doesn’t know yet.. That’s a question for after the season is over..

      • whammer44

        Shouldn’t be a question at all. He should be saying simply he wants to remain a Senator, anything less means he doesn’t and definitely isn’t what you want to hear from one of the team leaders

        • Moudy Mahfouz

          kinda true cuz now that i look at it, Ryan said he wants to stay Spezza didnt really say much.

          • Zelle

            MacArthur also said he could see himself staying in Ottawa and that he still has a year left on his contract so if the organization wanted to explore that with him it would be up to them.

    • Pasky

      I’d love Richards but I don’t think LA wants to piss off his buddy Carter

  • sprucesens

    before I read all the comments, yost has in interesting article that suggests from other sources, that maclean might actually be on the hotseat so to speak. Interesting to think about, especially if it has anything to do with spezza, and/or other players and how they were handled this year. Have you been hearing anything about this kind of thing chirp?

    • sprucesens

      and something I’ve said before, if maclean is let go, I think we should stop trying interim coaches and first timers, and maybe go with someone who has coached for a few years already, and seems to know what to do

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        If we let go of another coach Murray better be shown the door 30 seconds later.

        • Hannibal

          People may accuse me of being retro but seeing how the team has fared defensively this year the ideal coach to restructure the defensive system would be Jacques Martin. The team is not offensively challenged and with a revamped defensive system one would anticipate increased scoring opportunities. I have thrown this out there for debate (and keep in mind this may be good if Spezza is moved).

          • Sandy

            Jacques Martin and young players do not go together. With this team, currently, having half of it’s players 25 yrs and under… that’s not going to work..

          • Doc

            You’re so retro that you came back in style twice already.

          • runningbear1974

            Spezza, Neil, and Phillips all grew up with Martin… Martin had defensive system, but he didn’t have a smart system… We need a development system, such that the individuals continue to grow and get better as they get older so that they can become wise veterans…

      • Sandy

        McLean is a good coach. He has a lot of experience with Mike Babcock who is the best in the business right now and has been for quite some time.

        When does it stop being — it’s the coaches fault…
        The organization expected too much from this young team.. especially on the defense.

        • Doc

          Agreed. Can’t have 6 coaches in 8 years.

          It’s ridiculous.

        • sprucesens

          while like doc posted, its a ton of coaches in that time, but the last time we had a coach with experience of being a HEAD coach, was murray. if you look at the list of coaches since, its been no names and guys that aren’t doing anything in the NHL now. Maybe that’s a sign we had terrible coaches?

    • Doc

      Booboo mentioned the same this morning.

      Really bad move if that’s the case, but you never know with Crazy Euge.

  • Sandy

    Murray should have individual meetings with his players regarding the entire coaching staff..
    He needs to not make an emotional decision on anything – take his time.
    This season is a turning point for the organization.. He makes hasty decisions.. you will have a lot more to complain about next season.

    • sprucesens

      that is a good idea. I also said the same thing earlier in the year, about the coaches having meetings with players, to see what players like playing with who, and what type of game they feel best suited to. Either, neither idea will probably happen

  • WaitingSince92

    I think we should take a stab at Boyle. He’s a local boy, arguably the best D in the UFA group. He skates really well and is an elite Dman, so probably has 2-3 years of good hockey left in him. Responsible/quick in his own end, with an offensive punch. Could probably play well with Karlsson.

    Hard to see him leaving SJ. Hard to see him wanting to come here. Hard to see Eugene opening up the purse strings… but a fan can dream, can’t he?

    • Doc

      People complain that Phillips is too old at 36, and Boyle is 37.

      I don’t want another player at the end of his career. If they want to go young, and it seems they do, then don’t do it halfway. I would consider grabbing a top 4 D in a trade, not the UFA market which is very weak, like you mentioned.

      • WaitingSince92

        Phillips is slow and makes a good deal of errors, often in game-breaking situations. Boyle is past his prime, but still has speed, good D, great offence and the ability to up his game when it counts.

        Only one year apart, but almost opposite types of D.

        Your mistake is comparing those two players in age alone. It’s different with elite D. Boyle, while not as good as Lidstrom or Bourque, is still better than most of the league’s defencemen, even as he approaches 40.

        • Doc

          I didn’t compare their skill sets. I talked about the age factor and how the team wants to go young.

          Another point to keep in mind if Boyle has a cap hit of 6.7 millions for the next year as well as real money. And we know how Crazy Euge likes to open up the wallet.

          • Senatollah

            He always has said he’ll open it up for the right guys. They signed MacCarther when they didnt need too. If they were true budget team they could have called up Stone/Hoffman from the start.

          • Doc

            They absolutely needed MacArthur. Even with Alfie they were looking for a top 6 guy. So Rayn in, Alfie, added MacArthur.

            I get what your saying, but I really don’t think Boyle is the solution for the Sens.

    • WolfInSheepsClothes

      2 words.

      Matt.
      Niskanen.

      • whammer44

        yep…probably cheaper than boyle too. He should be their #1 FA target

    • Sandy

      After seeing 2 captains leave in successive seasons.. do you really think he would come to Ottawa? Not a chance.

  • http://batman-news.com Gramps

    Keeping or trading Spezza has nothing to do with next year’s line up. If you keep him you must be prepared to sign him to a long term extension this summer. Do you want to commit big dollars to a player on the wrong side of 30 with a chronic bad back who, while being a very good offensive player is weak defensively and with his decreased mobility is getting worse? He cannot play with pace that the current NHL demands. He would be an excellent addiition to a team close to a cup needing an offensive boost (especially on the PP). Ask NYR how the Brad Richards thing is working out.

  • Skeleton

    Can I say the discussion in here is so much more intelligent than HF Boards!

    • Doc

      Any normal discussion is more intelligent than HF.

      Used to be a great forums years ago. Can’t stand that place anymore.

      • Zelle

        Conspiracy Theory: Chirp actually hired posters to make it so bad that people would instead come here to post.

    • Don Ciccio

      Agree with you, some guy is comparing Hoffman to Kassian as an NHL player.

      • Skeleton

        Oh geez. Ya, the knowledge and opinions there are scary.

        On Hoffman, I think he might be included to put a Sens offer over the top in a big trade this offseason.

        • Don Ciccio

          Yeah, I wouldn’t doubt it. I think Hoffman’s future depends on what they do with Hemsky this year.

          • Skeleton

            Care to explain further? Just wondering because I don’t see the connection.

      • Zelle

        I burst out laughing when I read this. I need to go read this for myself.

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    3 games left, and this might be the last game I could watch due to my stupid exam scheduel. Really hope these Spezza rumors are not valid and we can move on for an interesting off season
    Things I am looking for these next 3 games:
    1)Hoffman better step up before its too late, he has had his times but I am def looking for him to produce more these last 3 games.
    2)Lehner. Hope he plays 2 out of the next 3 and plays well
    3)Lets pass the Leafs in the standings please!

  • Lorenzo72

    Is Alfie happy? Probably yes. :))

    • Zelle

      Alfie was probably happy just to be able to play hockey without worrying about leadership drama, and to be able to play beside Datsyuk and Zett.

      But yes you have to give the Detroit organization a lot of respect, they built that team to be winners. I was hoping Maclean would bring that train of thought with him to Ottawa.

      • Sandy

        He did for 2 seasons…. But he might get fired for 1 bad season…

        • Zelle

          I would hope not, it would signal a very knee jerk reaction. To me anyway. Plus I’d be worried about his replacement. I don’t want a Tortorella, or Carlyle.

  • CUP 2014-15

    Man I have a hard time listening to Simmer on TSN1200. So nice to hear the guest from Columbus call him out on his assessment of the Jackets and on how they didn’t have a chance to make it this year.

    • Sandy

      Simmer is a complete joke. I can’t stand him…
      The only thing making my day happy is Lehner starts..,.
      These rumours are beginning to piss me off.. big time..

  • Sandy

    Off topic… former federal finance minister Jim Flaherty has died… He was 64…

    http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/04/10/former-finance-minister-jim-flaherty-in-grave-condition-sources

    • Zelle

      Woah. Not going to go into politics on a hockey website but that’s really shocking. That probably explains why he stepped down not too long ago.

  • CUP 2014-15

    Some interesting scoreboard watching this weekend. CBJ tied with Philly, if they can pass them it will be Rick Nash back in Columbus for the playoffs.
    The Youtes need to pick up a point in their game in hand over Dallas. They then play each other for the final spot in the west. CBJ catching Philly would also set up another Pitt V Philly series. Lots to hope for.
    Love the way CBJ plays, hard nose hockey, like them to be the Cinderella story this year in the East and the Blues to win it all.

    • sprucesens

      yeah, I think a lot of people will be hoping Columbus does something this year. I don’t think they’ll win, but i’ll be routing for them! Lots of young talent to like on their team.

      • CUP 2014-15

        It’s their style of play that I like. Not a lot of flash and I do love watching Karlsson and other great offensive talents but man, they just bring it every shift and I think they enjoy hitting more then scoring. With their Goaltending and tight defensive play, they will be dangerous.

  • sprucesens

    sorry, if its a repost, comp screwed up, but I just add it again here.

    not that I condone firing maclean, but there were good players this year and bad. while its on the bad players to be better, its on the coach to see that they aren’t playing well, and bench them, and give time to those that are playing well. This simply did not happen this year, often times igniting massive debates and anger on here, and across all fans, i’m sure. It’s on the GM to trade, or in some cases, not sign the bad players to begin with, so the coach can play all his players. Its on the owner to give the GM enough assets and freedom to do so. Problems with all of them? Yes. Easiest scapegoat? the coach. Murray isn’t going anywhere until he retires. He brought in turris, macA, ryan, zib, karlsson, Anderson, and the list goes on… and pretty much all of our top prospects. He was screwed over by the owner in the alfie situation, by melnyk disrespecting alfie directly. And then the internal budget to not add much this year. And with all the coaching decisions that left fans scratching their heads, maybe murray felt the same way? I’m thinking back to when he basically came out and said zib should be top 6, not 4th line, like maclean had been using him. And ryan wondering if he kicked mac’s dog or something, due to not getting any ice time. And methot being upset that he is benched when he felt ready. And alfie being very pissed off at being benched, was it last year? or the year before in the playoffs, when we were losing and needed some life.
    While we are all quick to want to place blame, and we don’t have all the facts, its quite possible all these hints are actually leading in the right direction, that Maclean is actually a problem. Maybe that’s why spezza wants out? Who knows. But judging by how other players have reacted this year to the coach, I certainly wouldn’t put is as very far fetched. And i’d rather keep our hockey players than our coach

    • SENSsmile

      I think you raise some very good points. It all starts from the top, as Melnyk has certainly lost a lot of credibility in the eyes of many fans, I would think. This is turn appears to have frustrated Murray, who in turn may have tried to vent some of his anger on MacLean, who pushed back and adamantly stuck to his guns — if only to prove that he’s the boss as far as who plays and who doesn’t. In the end, all this toxicity at the management and ownership level had to affect team morale as a whole, especially those players who felt that they weren’t be treated fairly. In short, a clusterfuck of epic proportion that would explain some of the inexplicable… They need to fix this in the off-season.

  • Tony

    Anyone interested in the Toronto game? Please let me know. 2nd row in the 200s. 360 on kijiji but will give a much better deal to those on Senschirp. Yscalab@hotmail.com.

  • Zelle

    Cool Stone, Pageau, and Ceci will be playing in the B-Sens playoffs.

  • jimmyjohnson

    We’re going to lose this game, based solely on the fact that the GSN line is back and ready for massive overuse.

    Go Maclean!

  • BigDaddy

    I was starting to warm up to the idea of keeping Spezza but then can’t get over the fact that he would want a long term deal. Sure next year might be fine but after that you have Turris, Zibby, Lazar, Smith and Pageau biting at his heals. If we keep Spezza I have to believe that would mean the end of Zibby since I can’t see a budget team trading away Turris’ contract. I like Spezza and would miss his skill but would rather see him go then loose one of are young guns. All that being said if we could resign Spezza and get am Evander Kane like return for Zibby + a smaller piece that would have to be considered. Either way this decision has to be made in the summer. All I picture is a huge debacle at the deadline if management or Spezza is still on the fence midway through next year. PS I am still on the trade Andie train, release the Lehner!!!!

  • BeJamin

    Honestly… this season is the nightmare we just don’t get to wake up from. I hate our owner. He’s destroying the organization. He’s poisoned the water from the top down and it’s only getting worse.

    It’s hard to be mad at P-Mac because we don’t even know what decisions are his. I hate his player usage this year, at times it’s made no sense, but how much of it was his choice?Same with Murray, insanely difficult to compete when you have to give away talent like Conacher just to afford a few hundred thousand dollars for a rental. Eugene has to go. Something stinks in Ottawa, in fact it wreaks… and it continues to do so.

    At some point the organization has to do something to cut off the source of the toxins. Lose an arm to save the body.

    You’ve managed to lose a franchise icon beloved by the fans and then take a guy in Spezza who loves the organization and in one year he’s the one quietly asking for an escape route.

    We all know who is to blame. I wish fans in Ottawa would band together and start to revolt against this drunken worthless prick. Lets divorce the Euge just like his wife did. We’ll probably experience the same financial benefit too.

    • 010101111101111111111

      We need one of the SensChirpers with writing ability (Hax ?) to
      start an online petition asking Eugene Pennypinch to sell the team.

      I know about 50 signees off the top of my head.

  • Sensturion

    Don’t worry. It doesn’t sound like Spezza wants to be back. Interviewed him on CTV and they asked him if he planned on resigning in Ottawa. He said “there are lots of things to discuss over the summer.”

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    I miss watching Bobby play after those highlights

    • CUP 2014-15

      The thing I remember the most when he arrived was being shocked at the forecheck and then holy s#!t this guy backchecks. We all saw hi-lights of beauty goals but He sure impressed physically and in all Zones.

      • Moudy Mahfouz

        He is a must sign for long term success.

        • Zelle

          We MUST get Bobby Ryan signed. He is seriously impressive. I’m working on a highlight video of him this season as a Senator.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I’m excited to see it. He was great in his first few months here.

          • Zelle

            Thanks! I hope people will like it :) Just need to find all the right videos, lots of playtime to go through.

  • Zelle

    I’m actually really excited for the game tonight, GO SENS!! Hoping for a 3-1 win for the home team. Lessdoeet!

  • Deadly

    Am I the only one that wants to trade Lyndon?

    • CUP 2014-15

      LOL, I like him. Hope I am not the only one.

      • Deadly

        Tied,one all.

        • CUP 2014-15

          LMAO

          • Deadly

            Looking for a tie breaking vote. The voter will receive 2 tickets to the Sens first playoff game thi…sorry ,I forgot.

  • CUP 2014-15

    Man can Hoff fly

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    Stone is all over tonight

  • CUP 2014-15

    O.K. am I the only one laughing everytime Stones on the ice? This kid is sickly good with his stickwork, passing wow, what a find

    • Deadly

      Moves to the right spot,often first one back.
      Very late draft choice.

      • Jakester

        Cuz he was hurt in the year leading up to the draft. Played only 20-30 games. Otherwise would’ve been a second rounder!

        • CUP 2014-15

          Not seeing a 40 pt guy going in the second and even in his injury year it was still only 29 pts. I think it was great scouting

    • runningbear1974

      I would like Bobby Ryan to be Stone and Puempel’s mentor…

    • Deadly

      Great fore checker that picks a
      Lot of pockets.

      • sprucesens

        yup, he’s looking good, but to be fair, that D should be benched and reamed out for that behind the back pass, with a forechecker right on him, 10 feet from his net.

        • CUP 2014-15

          But this is far from the first time.

  • Zelle

    What a weird move choice by Hoff, not sure what his decision making was there.

    • Deadly

      Unlike Stone he has to rely on speed.He needs to start scoring soon but is running out of runway.

      • sprucesens

        hoffman has some great hands. He just isn’t getting the bounces right now. If that puck bounced a bit more forward, he would have had a clear cut breakaway.

        • Deadly

          At this level you make your own breaks and bounces. I think he gets knocked down easily and I am not convinced he will make the great. Hope I am wrong. Has always been a late bloomer.

          • Jakester

            Oh let’s keep playing Condra then! Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

      • Zelle

        I can deal without him producing a bunch of goals, but he’s made a couple of questionable decisions in this period that turned the momentum to the Devils. Overthinking maybe, or perhaps trying to do too much to try and impress?

  • Cicero

    MSG commenators note that for the first time since 1973, there’s just one Canadian team moving on to the post-season, and the bottom four teams in the Western Conference are Canadian. They said, “Canadians will all be rallying behind Montreal during the playoffs.”

    I don’t think they understand Canadian hockey fans…

    • sprucesens

      i will firmly be cheering against montreal, myself

      • Mat

        Me too. For the 5 games it takes to boot them out.

    • SENSsmile

      To think that I used to be a big Habs fan… before the Sens era, naturally. Now I can’t stand the CH. They’re so full of shit (they always get saved by a miracle goalie) and the refs love them. Again, they had to have a PP in the final minute against the Isles tonight… a given. But they lost anyway: looks good on them.

  • Shibal

    If Spezza does decide to stay, I really hope Zibanejad is moved to the wing within the top 9. Maclean’s stubbornness is his biggest downfall. He absolutely wants to force Zibanejad to play Center thinking he is better at that position- the result is the biggest contradiction in the world. Zib is played on the fourth line, and gets no pp time. They sent him down in the beginning of the seasson to work on his offence, yet when they call him up they don’t even give him the opportunity in offensive roles ever, unless someone gets injured. His ice time increases only when the team is losing – as result, he starts scoring goals. You can look at the stats, the majority of Zibs goals have come in losing games this year.

  • John Q. Spartan

    Mark Stone is a beauty.

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    Atta boy Hoffman

  • Deadly

    Great too see Hoffman score.

  • CUP 2014-15

    what a pass zbad

  • Zelle

    Nice hoffman there we go!

    • runningbear1974

      Hoffman Zibanejad Stone could be a deadly line…

  • Cicero

    Sweet goal. Great pass, one-timer, and full credit to Neil for crashing the crease. Great execution!

  • Zelle

    Zbad wants a goal bad! Zbad-ly wants a goal! No? ok I’ll go…

  • Deadly

    Cue up Jacques.

    • Jakester

      Thx for the intro!

  • Jakester

    Look at the future Zibby and Hoffman flying out there! And then the other side of the medal!

  • Skeleton

    I was just going to ask – has Spezza’s line ever had the puck in the Devils zone at all this game? Before I could type it, Devils score after hemming the Spezza line in once again.

    Story of the season. Worst possession numbers ever.

    • Sandy

      It was a delayed penalty.. The Devils had the extra skater…

  • Cicero

    They let NJ score so they could go two periods without a penalty ;-)

  • John Q. Spartan

    Lehner’s my boy, but he needs to work on his rebound control. Then he’ll be great.

    • Skeleton

      That’s teachable. He was fine last season with rebounds. It comes with trusting your position and being square. Lehner lost some confidence this year. He will get it back.

      • John Q. Spartan

        Lack of playing time probably doesn’t help either.

  • John Q. Spartan

    I just love hearing all about the Maple Leafs in a Sens intermission.

    • Zelle

      The Devils announcers are giving some good coverage on both the Sens and Devs, it’s refreshing.

    • Sandy

      Sportsnet will be no different than CBC.. It will still be Leafs all the time..

  • Jordan

    Way off topic here but i think the panthers got a gem in nick bjugstad. Kids gonna be quite the power forward in the nhl i think.

    • Jakester

      Big guy!

      • Jordan

        Ya Haha and the hands to go with it.

    • Skeleton

      He’s gonna be good!!!

      • Jonny

        not for the Panthers tho.

  • Cicero

    After 40 minutes: OTT Penalties: 0 min.; Takeaways/giveaways: +1

    Dr. Jekyll is in the house!

    • John Q. Spartan

      You jinxed it.

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      No, Jared Cowen is in the pressbox.

  • John Q. Spartan

    Spezza’s best hit of the year!

    • Skeleton

      Only hit of the year. Not knocking him for that though. That’s not his game.

  • Cicero

    Aaaand Hemsky reconsiders a deal after THAT.

    • Zelle

      He can’t say anything much after he takes THAT penalty. Horrible timing, for no good reason, story of the season.

    • Skeleton

      Good.

  • CUP 2014-15

    CC has some extra jump tonight

  • Deadly

    Great save , now let’s support him with a goal.

    • Zelle

      Another great save to keep the game tied, he’s in the zone tonight.

      • Deadly

        Definitely mada a statement with his play tonight.

  • Zelle

    Off topic, but as a fan of Schneider I am happy to hear that Brodeur finally gave him props as a goaltender and hope he finds a better deal with the Devils than he did in Vancouver.

  • Zelle

    Wow what a move by Wiercioch to not only keep the puck in but get a decent scoring chance.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    It’s actually amazing to see how good Jagr is at this age. Truly one of the greatest to ever play the game.

  • CUP 2014-15

    CC Rider with the OT Winner

  • Andrews theory

    Begin the greening trash talk lol

  • Skeleton

    If Wiercioch plays in OT, I say he gets the winner.

    • Skeleton

      Ahhh, he was coming into the slot on that offside too. Oh well.

  • Deadly

    Good stuff.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Ales Hemsky is the Tomas Kaberle of forwards.

    • John Q. Spartan

      Even if he has no shot, he was still getting it on net. He should play like that (shoot more) all the time.

  • John Q. Spartan

    Not a bad game, for a New Jersey game…

  • Deadly

    Great to win.Awesome for Lehner.

  • John Q. Spartan

    I’m torn… do we want to finish ahead of Toronto? They’ll get a better draft pick. Nah, screw it, I want to finish ahead of them!

    • CUP 2014-15

      They will screw the pick anyway

    • Sicilian

      And we don’t have our pick either

      • Zelle

        We have plenty in the farm anyway, IMO. I don’t think it’s such a HUGE deal that Sens don’t have a first round pick this season. Especially since people keep saying how it’s a weak draft. It’d be nice but not make or break.

        • Sicilian

          I meant. let’s move up higher and make it a worse pick for Ana

          • Zelle

            Yeah my bad this was more directed to JQS

    • Jonny

      Who cares we both suck. They can still sweep us in the season series…That would suck even more.

  • John Q. Spartan

    … Cya Denis Potvin.

    • Jonny

      Thank God!

  • Aaron 2.0

    Yikes. NJ 0 for 12 in SO. Pretty much means they should probably be right there fighting for that last playoff spot, from a hockey standpoint anyways. I feel bad for them.

    Amazing game for Lehner. He deserved it. The offensive instincts of this team is great. The defensive instincts are down-right scary at times.

  • SensFanInMTL

    It’s true!! It was the last broadcast on Sportsnet. What is this TSN regional crap though? Does that mean for us & maritimes don’t get anything unless you live in Ottawa? I was planning on moving there one day but not next year!

    • Sensturion

      I assume it’ll be the same as it is for Sportsnet as they broadcasting regionally as well.

      • SensFanInMTL

        So who the eff is going to record the games for me!? Did you know I still use a VCR?

  • SENSsmile

    …and the No-ronto Laffs lose again tonight… yeah baby!

  • Skeleton

    Zibanejad taken to hospital in the 3rd period. More to come…

    • Skeleton

      Precautionary reasons, right from MacLean.

  • Frank

    Chirp, any news on Zibanejad? Yost seems to think he may have collapsed???

    • Skeleton

      I just updated. Taken to hospital for precautionary reasons.

      • Jonny

        precautionary to what? You just said what everyone else already knows.

  • Deadly

    Zbad played just over 8 minutes which makes you wonder if he was feeling I’ll all night.
    Didn’t see him get hit during the game.

    • Skeleton

      Taken to hospital during the game for precautionary reasons.

  • Andrews theory

    Interesting rant from Potvin during the game eluding to the fact that PMAC had identified specific guys on the team for lack of sacrifice.

    You’d think at least a few of those guys are on their way out of town.

    You have to wonder if 19 is in fact one of those players sighted along with PW, Ryan and Zib earlier in the year.

    • Zelle

      Can you elaborate on said rant? I was listening to the Devils feed.

    • Jonny

      Potvin is a tool, we already knew this. Part of the whole disconnect story…

      • Doc

        Although he can ramble on from time to time, the guy’s a Hall of Famer and knows more about the game than you ever will.

        Show a little respect.

        • Jonny

          Respect is earned not given. he has my respect as a hockey player, but as a commentater, he’s a joke and a tool.

          • Doc

            Kind of like how we feel about you as a poster. :/

  • Zelle

    Excited for the win but wtf Zbad? :(( I hope he’s ok….

  • Zelle

    Congrats to Turris for being invited to the World Hockey Championship to represent Canada!

  • s3nsfan

    Wasn’t able to watch the game last night, anyone tell me what happened to Zibby they had to take him to the hospital?

    • Jonny

      He was feeling dizzy, concussion like symptomes. Heard it from 1200.

      • s3nsfan

        Thanks,
        Hope the kids alright, know he had those symptoms earlier in the year.

      • Senatollah

        Not good, could impact one way or another what happens with Spezza (stay, or go and for what pieces back)

  • Zelle

    Interesting quote from Lehner:

    “I think we’ve got to change a few things,” said Lehner. “We’ve got to
    play better defence. We’ve got to play like last year. Seriously, last
    year we had 40 shots a game but it was from the outside. And everyone’s
    like ‘oh wow, all the goalies are sick.’ But honestly, it was a lot of
    shots from the outside. We saw every puck.

    Then all of a sudden, I don’t know what happened, but we changed our
    game a little bit. All of a sudden, we were the pressuring team, being
    in the other guys end, and we all of a sudden just get rushes (against),
    3-on-2s, 2-on-1′s .. we changed our game and it was new for all of us.

    I don’t know what happened, or why it happened, but I think we’re
    learning how to balance that out, and I think we’re in a really good
    way, even though we’re not in the playoffs, and people are disappointed
    and we’re disappointed, too, but I think it’s going to be good.”

    Source: http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/04/10/ottawa-senator-lehners-mistaken-expectations

    • Jonny

      Well there we go, gotta love Lehner for his honesty, guy just says it as it is!
      This must be why PMac is on the hot seat, this is all Maclean’s doing (or his assistants, which is a direct reflection of him)

      • s3nsfan

        Really? So what if the Owner told MacLean to play certain players more than others? Then what is the coach to do. I wish somoene would tell Eugene to just let the hockey people make the hockey decisions. As it should be.

        • aegiszx

          AGREED. What if the GM or Owner said “I highly suggest, HIGHLY suggest, you play X player tonight, no pressure.”

          • Jonny

            Fair enough I would admit that it could happen a couple of games, to showcase a guy maybe but not EVERY night. Neil, Smith, Greening, Michalek, Cowen, Phillips all playing consistent minutes over players that are better than them. Thats PMac.

        • Jonny

          Melnyk has nothing to do with who plays. thats Maclean.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      Lehner is a leader… I can’t wait for my next jersey to be a 40 – Lehner jersey

      • Zelle

        I was honestly torn between a Lehner or Turris jersey.

        • Dirk-Diggler

          It’s usually never a good idea to get a goalie jersey… but man this kid gives me hope

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          I think I’m China knockoffing one of each…. Forget giving the NHL money until they fix some crap

          • Dirk-Diggler

            I hate the knockoffs… They look great but I prefer to support the team and NHL… I do wish prices were more reflective of the value and not inflated because they are the only producers

          • Jonny

            Jersey’s are insanely high priced, for no damn reason…Some knockoffs are identical and more than half the price.

          • Zelle

            Oh I didn’t even think of that… although to be honest I’m kind of saving up my money to get a game used B-Sens Stone jersey (hopefully).

    • Senatollah

      2 or 3 close games where the sens get the bounces (or gifts from officials -looking at your MTL game that gives sick kittens nightmares) instead of the other team and 3 or 4 overtime/shootout loses and this team with all these issues makes the playoffs…

      • Zelle

        Hopefully not making the playoffs will set their head on straight, versus barely sneaking in and thinking no adjustments need to happen.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    This my Friends, is all that Matters right now:

    5 Ottawa80353114298423226317-17-618-14-87-2-1Won 3 6Toronto8138358298423125524-16-114-19-72-8-0Lost 3

    I said last week, we aren’t making the playoffs, but we need to sit ahead of the Leafs and be at least the 10th team from the bottom of the standings to push the worst possible pick back to the Ducks. The Sens win 3 in a row and do just that. That’s a win in my books right now. Happy Weekend everyone. Now lets SPANK those Leafs on Saturday night!!!

    • Jonny

      Sad day indeed when fans are happy to be measured up against a losing team in a losing season…There is no joy in being ahead of them in a non playoff position.

      Thats being happy with mediocrity.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        No its finding a small thing to be happy about in a negatively filled season

        • Jonny

          Who cares what the Leafs do tho, really. Fans on here keep comparing the two and always falling back on “well, the Leafs this and the Leafs that”…Its kinda sad fans do that, we have our own team.

          Do you always wanna be little brother to the Leafs/Habs?

          Screw what they do, it shouldnt even matter.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Fair enough, and normally I don’t care, but it is nice to know that leaf fans won’t be saying “well we beat you guys in the standings”

          • MethotToMyMadness

            And this my Friend, is where my comment was going.

          • Jonny

            I get what your saying but who cares really when we are both out of the playoffs, its no consolation finishing 10th over 11th tho?

            And IF they sweep us they can still say they own our asses.

            Its just a really weak argument to try and make something positive out of a negative season.

            They way I see it is, standings wise, we both sucked and finished out of the playoffs, where we finish doesnt matter, the Leafs were actually much better as they were in and fell out, we were out with a month remaining.

            But head to head, where you should be putting most stock into it, they owned us all year. Series 3-0

            Even IF we beat them, gonna be hard pressed to say we were the better team this year.

            Maybe, just maybe there are no positives this year, except that its over.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        Why is it that some people just cannot be happy about something?

        • Doc

          Because being negative is just easier.

          • Jonny

            Easier and honest.

          • Doc

            Whatever helps you sleep at night, Tookie.

  • Corey Trevor

    Something I posted on another blog:
    On Spezza –

    1) Anyone remember how we ran Jacques Martin out of town for making Spezza play more responsibly hockey, better defense and yelled at him to backcheck… ‘let the kid play’ I used to yell ‘you ruined his shot at the Calder’. Sort of ironic that we all point to his defensive shortcomings years after.

    2) I get the feeling that most of us are looking at him through ‘first girlfriend’ glasses. While Alfie was the greatest Senator, Spezza is definitely the best centre we’ve had and his coming changed the Sens style of game into an interesting and entertaining one (frank you Jack Martin). We had Yashin and Bonk, but no one like Spezza until we robbed the Isles (stick and move, baby). Anywho, Spezza broke our ‘star-centre cherry’, and now we’ve had it so good for so long that we take him and his skill set for granted. Spezza is hot sh!t, but he’s not the best. He’ll never be Crysby but he’ll always be better than Yashin, Bonk, Fisher, Vermette, White, Van Allen and all the other centres we’ve had. So, before you start saying ‘ooh la la, look at that little Toews go, I want some of that’, remember that it took the org 10 years to get our hands on someone like Spezza. And just because we’ve had a hot piece of centre for that long, some people start to think that we can do better. Easier said than done – and it’s more likely that we’ll have to settle for an ugly cousin as our prom date, assuming we get back to the big dance anytime soon.

    3) Spezza is the captain of the (checks the standings) second best Canadian team at the moment, so that something.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      I really enjoyed reading this. Well said, and I agree fully. The Fans who see him day in day out are spoiled.

      And before anyone shouts out, we have Turris. Yes we do, and thank our lucky stars that BM made the move he did. But as great as Turris is and even greater he becomes, he will not be the same caliber of center that Spezza was from an offensive perspective.

    • Jason

      5 years from now Turris will be the best center we’ve ever had.

      • Jonny

        Thats funny but no. He’ll be a good 2 way responsible C, but nowhere near a PPG player. Maybe a poor man’s Krejci or Bergy.

        • Doc

          What are this Saturday’s winning lotto numbers?
          Thx.

          • Jonny

            2 4 14 15 22 62

          • bluebuyyoo

            F*ck! Those are mine!

        • s3nsfan75

          CJASON SPEZZA 73 22 43 65 -25

          C KYLE TURRIS 80 25 31 56 22

          You can disagree if you want but 56 points and a +22 is a lot closer to a point a game player than 65 points and a -25
          Give turris the credit he deserves this season, and last for that matter, he has been the best centre on this team. Injuries or not.
          Rather have his numbers and a durable healthy 2 way player, then Spezza who over the last number of years has had multiple injury problems and defensive gaffs. Don’t get me wrong he is a helluva a talented player.

          • Jonny

            Exactly what I said, 2 way type C like Bergy and Krejci but not a PPG player like Spezza.

          • s3nsfan75

            Not exactly what you said, my argument is Turris is closer to a PPG player than Spezza is, this season, IMHO.

          • Jonny

            Spezza had more points in less games, not sure but that means Spezza had a higher PPG than Turris who had less in more games.

            +- means nothing in PPG.

          • s3nsfan75

            and Spezza is a -24 compared to a +22 for Turris. Makes him a closer to a ppg than Spezza, those 65 points aren’t that if he’s on the ice for 24 more ES goals then the Sens scored

          • bluebuyyoo

            Skating with linemates that can actually shoot and convert opportunities does wonders for the +/-.

          • s3nsfan

            So does a hard back check and not cheating at the blueline.

          • bluebuyyoo

            Oh. ok.

          • Jonny

            Ya imagine if Spezza had legit wingers…

          • Jonny

            What does +- have to do with Point per game %
            Spezza scored more points than Turris in less games. Clear enough?

      • Zelle

        I hope so! I also hope he will still be with the Senators 5 years from now.

        • s3nsfan75

          Seeing as he’s signed till 2018 / 19 I would say there’s a good chance lol

  • Jason

    Finally decided to put out best player in the shootout and we won. Coach of the year…

    • Jason

      Oh but not before Michalek got a try, because he’s an amazing goal scorer.

      • Jonny

        Ya I dont get why players dont deke more. I mean Sens players. 90% of them shoot from 10 feet out, like Turris and missed about 3 feet wide…

    • Doc

      Not MacLean’s calls. It’s usually the assistant coaches that choose the players.

      • Jonny

        Thats rubbish, he has all the authority to switch it up if he wanted to but he doesnt. Either he has confidence in his assistant, which is obvioulsy misguided as we can all tell by now.

        OR

        He wants them to take heat for it.

        • John Q. Spartan

          MacLean is just a fisherman from Antigonish. He isn’t responsible for the forwards, he isn’t responsible for the defense, and he certainly isn’t responsible for the shootout lineup. Ha.

          • Jonny

            Hehe so true.

        • Doc

          Yes, I forgot.

          All the coach’s fault. My mistake.

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