Future Cloudy for Stephane Da Costa

SensChirp May 15, 2014 771
Future Cloudy for Stephane Da Costa

If you’ve watched any of the World Championships currently underway in Belarus, you’ll know that Team France has quietly become one of the best stories in the tournament. With two wins in their first three games, the first a shocking upset of Team Canada and the second against another strong team in Slovakia, France has turned some heads at this year’s tournament.

And a lot of that has to do with the efforts of a familiar face in Stephane Da Costa. Da Costa scored twice against Canada and was a force in their 5-3 win over Slovakia. For Da Costa, it’s a good finish to a season where he made a name for himself in Binghamton while also proving he could play at the NHL level.

Yet despite his strong performance of late, the future remains a little cloudy for Da Costa.

A restricted free agent at season’s end, Da Costa seems to be at a bit of a crossroads in his career. He’s demonstrated that he can play a regular shift with the big team in Ottawa, but does he see room for himself on the depth chart moving forward? With the expected departure of Jason Spezza, there could be an opportunity there for Da Costa, depending on the return in that deal and whether or not the Senators make a minor splash in free agency.

Turris, Zibanejad and Smith have three of the centre ice positions locked up. Pageau is pushing for another one but right now, Da Costa seems a little more capable of taking on full time duties with the big club.

The organization is obviously high on Da Costa and would like to keep him in the mix. But does Da Costa want to stick around and risk another year in Binghamton or will some European teams make him an offer he can’t refuse? In a season ending interview, BSens Head Coach Luke Richardson talked about how he had spoken with Da Costa and urged him to stay in North America.

Where do you see Da Costa fitting in going forward? Would you be willing to give him a one way deal at this stage in his career or does a two way contract make more sense?

-Last night, TSN’s Scott Cullen gave his off season game plan for the Ottawa Senators and it included an interesting look at a projected roster for the team next year. I posted it on Twitter and fans were less than impressed with the lineup Cullen put together. First off, he had Spezza going to Anaheim for Palmieri, Sbisa and the 10th overall pick. He also had the Senators signing Mikhail Grabovski in free agency.  While fans may not like the roster Cullen has put together, it’s within the team’s internal budget structure and not as unrealistic as some may think.

-The Summer of Jason Spezza continues. On Tuesday, Bruce Garrioch added the New York Rangers into the mix of teams interested. They join a list that officially includes St. Louis, Anaheim, Colorado, Nashville, Edmonton and Florida “officially”. I’ve also heard Phoenix, Calgary and Toronto. Maybe an easier list would be the teams that aren’t interested in Jason Spezza?

  • Hax

    Okay already officially sick of the off season. Cullen’s roster should come with a side of Proszac it’s so depressing.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Very depressing but it gives us something realistic to cheer for – McDavid and Eichel!!!

      Seriously though, if we start the season with a roster that looks similar to Cullens, it will be a depressing season.

      • Tooks

        Yep hard to renew tix with a line up like that…

    • Lucretia

      I’m not interested in watching that roster…being a Sens fan shouldn’t have to include being depressed for 7 months of the year because the owner is too cheap to put a decent product on the ice.
      As for JS19, I can’t help but wonder what all those other teams see in him…ya, careful what you wish for Sens fans.

  • WaitingSince92

    Cullen’s roster is realistic, but if that’s the trade return we get for Spezza, the whole fanbase is going to turn on Murray. Sbisa, Palmieri and 10th pick in a shitty draft year!? Please god, tell me we can do better than that.

    • Hax

      Realistic in that it’s possible (i.e. compared to some rosters fans are hoping for – myself included). But I really can’t see them landing $3M+ below the internal cap unless the roster is a lot sexier than that.

      • Sandy

        The cheaper the better for our SOB owner.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I’d like to see him on a 2 year deal at $1.0M and $1.25M. I think he’s the right guy to be the #3 C and if an injury to Turris or Zibanejad occurs then he can play bigger minutes in spot duty. My ideal lineup has three scoring lines and the 4th line that can bang but play 10 minutes or less!

    Da Costa is a guy that can play 13-15 minutes a night and contribute offensively.

    I hate the Cullen trade and lineup. I think we will get more than the 10th pick, Palmeieri and Sbisa. I think if it were Anaheim it would be 10th, and Etem + Lindholm but Ottawa would have to add to Spezza. It would be easier to sell a bigger deal to the fans with Spezza and other components than a smaller but shittier deal.

    • Tooks

      To get Etem & Lindholm and the 10th your going to have to add Zibby/Stone/Lazar…

  • Pasky

    I know we had plans of a Binghamton road trip for the playoffs, but would anyone be interested in a London road trip for the Memorial Cup, mostly to cheer on Lazar?

  • FistsofNeil25

    I don’t know where Da Costa fits in. He’s shown he’s worthy of a one-way contract but it’s tough to find a spot for him in the Sens line-up.

    I don’t think he accepts a 2-way deal though. Ottawa will probably try to give him a qualifying offer which he will probably reject. He deserves a one-way deal, but I’m not sure Ottawa gives it to him. He may end up being a throw in on a trade and given an opportunity elsewhere. Either that, or he heads over to Europe.

    He’s done everything the Sens have asked him to do. Now it’s up to them to find a place for him in the NHL, either with Ottawa or an opportunity elsewhere. I won’t be too heartbroken if he goes elsewhere though.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      I’d like to see Da Costa in the NHL this year if not simply to sheild Lazar from the pressure. It will be better for Lazar’s development to play another year in the WHL or on the wing in the NHL. It’s just too much to ask for a 19 year old kid to play 3rd or 4th line minutes but putting him on the wing at least lessens the defensive responsibilities.

      • FistsofNeil25

        There are a lot of possibilities I guess. Assuming Turris, Zibanejad and Smith are all locks for a position at center, that leaves Da Costa, Pageau and Lazar to battle it out for the final spot.

        I agree that Lazar should maybe be eased in on the wing if he makes the Sens opening night roster, but you really never know what Maclean will do with this line-up.

        So then who do Maclean and Murray like more between Da Costa and Pageau?

        • Don Ciccio

          I think the question is, what role will be available? If it’s the 3rd or 4th line centre then, Pageau is probably better suited but if we are talking about 2nd line centre then it would probably favour Da Costa.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Yeah I agree, but do they really give Da Costa the second line center over Zibanejad?

          • Dirk-Diggler

            You have to give Da Costa a 1 way because if Zibby gets injured then Da Costa can play up the lineup in the 2nd line C

          • FistsofNeil25

            Da Costa could play up in the line-up with a one-way or two-way so that doesn’t matter.

            Do we really feel good about our team next year with Turris-Zibanejad-Da Costa-Smith as our centers?

          • Zelle

            I think DaCosta is a better center than Pageau simply because of faceoffs, since we are losing Spezza, the best faceoff guy the Senators have at the moment. Why not put Pageau on Smith’s wing on the third line?

          • FistsofNeil25

            According to NHL.com these are the faceoff percentages for Ottawa centers this past season:

            Spezza – 54%
            Smith – 52.7%
            Grant – 52.7%
            Turris – 50.7%
            Pageau – 48%
            Zibanejad – 46.1 %
            Da Costa – 40.5%

          • Zelle

            Hrm I stand correct! I guess I was just looking at the boxscore stats for the call up after he was sent back.

          • Hax

            Check his AHL number maybe?? Maybe he’s actually got good faceoff numbers there?

          • FistsofNeil25

            Couldn’t find the AHL stats anywhere.

          • Zelle

            I find it difficult to get information on anything other than NHL stuff.

          • Zelle

            I’ll try. Unfortunately the best stats are on the Senators web page but DaCosta isn’t listed on the roster. I probably won’t have much more luck than FistsofNeil25 though.

          • Sandy

            If Turris gets a long term injury.. the team is screwed. Hello Connor McDavid.
            Does getting rid of Spezza indicate to Ryan & McArthur that the team is in re-build mode again.. and with them entering their prime playing years.. would they want to stay?

          • whammer44

            No

          • FistsofNeil25

            We’re screwed unless we add a good veteran center to that group.

          • Bob19

            How are we screwed? I like the idea of Turris line one and line 2 either z bad or dacosta battling it out. Lazar coming in to we have a lot of depth at c I don’t know why we would want a centre coming back. We’ve won without spezz in the past we can do it again..I will say I’m gonna miss that shot on the powerplay though every time spezz got the puck top of the circle with some time he was gonna Barry…60 percent of the time it worked every time haha.

          • sbs138

            I don’t. Losing Spezza will be huge and I already don’t expect to make the playoffs next year.

          • Don Ciccio

            I think Zibanejad will be the 2nd line centre and unfortunately, I don’t see Da Costa as a member of the Senators next year. Da Costa is a very skilled centre but I don’t think he fits into our plans.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Me neither.

      • Tooks

        No its not too much to ask a 19 year old kid to play 3rd line center/winger. How many kids have come up the last few year and did well (Landeskog, MacKinnon, Seguin, Kane, Toews, Stamkos, RNH, Hall and the list goes on)

        Why wouldnt Lazar be able to do it too? Not good enough?

  • Hax

    On DaCosta, if the big piece in the Spezza trade is a winger then I’d be okay with letting DaCosta try for a spot in camp. Smith can play the wing really well if DaCosta and Pageau both make the team. Lazar might factor in as well though I tend to think he may need more time. DaCosta really needs to either play on an up-tempo third line with some actual speed and skill or play well enough to be on the second line. I just don’t think he can be effective in minimal minutes with grinders.

  • WaitingSince92

    I hope we find room for DaCosta. I thought he was great in his callups. Was surprised to see a small guy like him not shy away from taking some hits. His hands are truly exceptional too. Just a case of fitting him in somehow…

    • runningbear1974

      If he can put on another 10 lbs this year, then he should be fine… I think we would regret letting him go…

  • MethotToMyMadness

    I mentioned a few weeks back that I think Da Costa has earned a chance, even more so if Spezza is gone. We’ve brought him into our system, he’s played it and passed the expectations. His last call up was the best showing we’ve seen and I think he has more to offer. Depending how the Spezza thing works out, I say keep him for a 1 year at least, let him show what he can do with the big club. If it doesn’t work, not much has changed. But if he explodes, then great!

    As for Cullen, the idea is in line with how the whole thing could break down. But he’s missing a piece. Where did Mark Borowiecki go? He’s got a 1 way next year, was he included in some trade that Cullen made up, or was he just forgotten? Sorry, I didn’t go to deep into the page, other than what the roster was.

    • Senatollah

      Agree Da Costa has earned a chance…he would have to play 3rd line centre. Moves Smith to the 4th line. I’m okay with that – BUT.
      Are there better UFA options for third line centre. After the Spezza deal the Sens have to make up cap space somewhere. Those already under contract are on entry level deals or some (Turris, Macarther, Karlsson) on great value deals.

      so while Da Costa has earned a chance, for the team it might make more sense to spend more on a better 3rd line centre. Its all speculative now as we dont know the return for Spezza, nor the intentions with Michalek. Thats a lot of cap space to replace, just to make the salary floor.

      • s3nsfan

        Sending Da Costa with Spezza might net a nice return.

      • Sandy

        Derek Roy may be an option. It’s not like other UFA centres will be knocking on the Sens door…

    • runningbear1974

      We don’t even have a choice… We absolutely have to give Da Costa a one way contract if he’s done everything we’ve asked of him… That’s the way this organization should run… Give contracts to people who earn it… Don’t give out big contracts to people who feel they deserve it (without really having done anything extra with respect to development)…

  • FistsofNeil25

    Chirp where do you see that the suggested Spezza deal includes the 10th overall pick in addition to Palmieri and Sbisa? All I can see is the two players.

    I tell ya, if Palmieri, Sbisa and the 10th overall pick is the return I think everyone will be very disappointed. I don’t know if the value is far off for Spezza, but the Sens need to add at least one quality piece through the trade.

    Palmieri is a fringe second liner with good speed and a decent shot. Sbisa is what, a bottom pairing guy? Does anyone think Murray will add another unproven bottom pairing defenseman when we already have Phillips, Cowen, Wiercioch, Ceci, Gryba and Borowiecki?

    I would hope that whatever deal we make for Spezza we get one good quality piece and whatever else is involved doesn’t matter. We need to get back a top six forward or a top four defenseman at minimum. We don’t need a third liner, a bottom pairing defenseman, and a draft pick like this Palmieri, Sbisa, + 10th deal suggests.

  • Zelle

    I like Pageau but DaCosta has been way too impressive to ignore. He’s clearly working his ass off. I hope they give him a decent shot this coming season.

    • Max Power

      I agree, he did nothing but produce on his last call-up

      Although, I like stone a little better and there wasn’t really room for both

      • s3nsfan75

        What if they added DaCosta in a trade package with Spezza? realize he’s a RFA maybe they could do a sign and trade? or just his rights as he is only RFA with no arbitration rights? And with a new team and a 1 way contract possibility, he might be more inclined to sign with said new team.

    • runningbear1974

      I agree… I feel the way Da Costa has played that Pageau should probably stay down in AHL for 1 more year, let him develop physically… Da Costa should come up, and then we’ll know what to do with him, but we have to give him a legitimate chance to succeed…

  • Dirtysweetness

    Does St. Louis have a goalie signed for next season? (Other than Jake Allen) I wonder if they’d want Anderson as part of a package for Spezza?

    • EK65

      I like it. That would probably be the largest trade in Sens history.

      Who would back-up The Lehner though? Maybe a UFA?

    • FistsofNeil25

      I’ve been wondering if this summer is the time to deal Anderson as well. I don’t think we should trade him though. I don’t think he has much trade value and I think it would be a horrible move to throw Lehner to the wolves behind a team that’s destined to struggle next year.

    • Hax

      I like the idea as well. I know some are sick of me harping on this but I think they have to sign Lehner to an extension before they trade Anderson. Otherwise add another $1M or $2M per year to any Lehner deal (i.e. if we’ve already made him #1 by trading Andy).

      If I’m Murray my to do list looks something like this:

      Extend Lehner to as long a contract as possible (within reason).
      Use Spezza and Anderson as key pieces to trade (one trade or several) along with some of Gryba, Wiercioch, Cowen, Greening, Condra, picks and prospects with the return(s) including a top 3D (2nd pairing RH shot or partner for EK65).
      Mixed in the return on those trades should be some significant top 6 help or an excellent 3C.
      Then look for another solid top 6/9 forward in free agency (i.e. try and pull another MacArthur trick).
      Over the summer look to extend Ryan, MacArthur, Methot and Zibanejad (or at least some of those guys).
      Along the way be looking for a solid veteran backup for Lehner – someone that can play 10 games in Lehner is amazing or who can play 40 games if Lehner struggles (no easy task of course).

      • whammer44

        Still think its too risky to reward Lehner with a big contract. He hasn’t played enough games or been consistent to put all your eggs in that basket.

        They should bridge him and keep Andy for this season…possibly move him at the deadline if Lehner steps up.

        • Hax

          Won’t argue with you on that. I’m sort of assuming in my scenario that MacLean and Walmsley etc are telling me Lehner’s ready. Still a gamble of sorts but that’s life as GM of the Sens since you can’t just buy your way out.

          And it goes without saying I’m in no rush to deal Anderson – but I think dealing him before the deadline is almost guaranteed. Otherwise you’re looking at extending him and then what happens to Lehner? I’d rather give Lehner the reins in the summer and plan for next season to be a bit of a building year than try to hand off in mid-season (i.e. when I KNOW in advance that I’m doing that).

          • whammer44

            Fair enough, but I assume they have seen the same things we have…until he’s done it, its still a question mark.

            Andy may be dealt before the deadline but I could also see him staying until the end of the contract if the Sens are in the playoff mix. If they are out of the picture he’s definitely moved.

      • Jakester

        a bridge contract for Lehner

    • Dirtysweetness

      http://capgeek.com/armchair-gm/roster/14774

      Just something I’ve played around with…..I have two extra defensemen listed.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Nice looking line-up but what did you trade with Spezza to acquire Backes, Shattenkirk and Rattie?

        • Hax

          Anderson?

          • The Apostle

            I’m wondering whether Hiller might be available from Anaheim (my preferred Spezza landing place). If they arev happy to run with their two young guys it might be worth investigating.

            Move Anderson in a separate deal (for what it’s worth, I’d keep him).

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t think Ottawa trades Anderson and signs another starter like Hiller. If They trade Andy then they’re handing the net over to Lehner.

          • Hax

            Agreed.

          • The Apostle

            I agree with that too. It was just musings. Re-signing Lehner before doing anything with Anderson is a must. Personally I would go with what we had last season and hope there is a little bit of a rebound from the pair of them.

            It was more an assest management thing.

          • whammer44

            I’m pretty sure Hiller is a UFA.

          • The Apostle

            Yeah didn’t realise that at the time. Sign Hiller, trade Anderson + Greening to Buffalo for Stewart. Trade Hiller when Lehner supplants him as #1

            Not a fan of it as I like Anderson, but it’s not an impossibility.

            Spezza + Wiercioch to Anaheim for Cogliano + Fowler.

            Technically I think we “lose” both trades, but we need some kind of clear out especially if we are wanting to play Stone and Hoffman more often than not.

            Cogliano can play wing or centre, start him off on the wing and if SDC struggles in the centre you have a replacement on hand.

            MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
            Cogliano-Zibanejad-Stewart
            Hoffman-Da Costa-Stone
            Condra-Smith-Neil
            Pageau

            Karlsson-Methot
            Fowler-Cowen
            Phillips-Ceci
            Gryba(or Borowiecki)

            Hiller
            Lehner

        • Dirtysweetness

          Anderson, Spezza, Condra…..I couldn’t throw any picks into the deal.
          My rationale is this:
          -there could be many teams interested in Spezza, possibly creating a bidding war
          -Backes doesn’t hold the same trade value as Shattenkirk and Rattie due to his age and size of contract

      • Hax

        Not bad. Though you’re over budget by just about the exact value of Moulson’s contract. So maybe he’s gone and Hoffman sits in that spot?

  • Don Ciccio

    Hey Chirp,
    Have you heard any updates on the health of Zibanejad? I would assume that they believe that he will be ok or else I would think that they would think twice about trading Spezza.

    • Hax

      I hope Chirp responds as well but:

      1. The org officially said something along the lines of “it’s no big deal” and “it’s not related to concussions”. Who knows for sure though – maybe Chirp?

      2. SPEZZA is the one who has asked to be traded and indicated he is not interested in an extension. The org seems pretty much in agreement but if Zibanejad’s injury was serious they’re still going to have to trade Spezza.

      • Don Ciccio

        Yup, I remember them saying something along the lines of that however, it is a little concerning especially when they don’t tell you what the issue is/was….Something like that would have me believe that it could have been some sort of heart issue.
        Even though Spezza has said that he would welcome a trade, it doesn’t mean that they have to deal him although it would be in their best interest.

        • Hax

          Yeah the Zibanejad thing has the signs of covering up something potentially serious – but that doesn’t mean it is. I hope not because I love the way this kid plays and his ceiling.

          As for Spezza, sure they could tell him to play out his last year of his contract but then we get nothing for him. I think we’d get less at the deadline then we could this summer (since teams who extend him would/should pay more).

          • FistsofNeil25

            and would it be an issue in the dressing room to bring a captain back you requested a trade?

          • Don Ciccio

            yup, I agree with both comments

  • Codo37

    If Spezza is moved i like too see something like this:

    Mc Arthur – Turris – Ryan
    Hoffmann / Puempel / UFA / Trade – Da Costa – Stone
    Hoffmann / Puempel / UFA / Trade – Zibanejad – Lazar
    Greening – Smith – Neil

    I wish we keep Spezza and Hemsky but I think it dosen’t happend.

    Da Costa has proven chemistry with Hoffman as LW and Stone as RW
    and with Puempel as LW too. We should try this!

    Hope Greening get better or traded in a package.

    • Hax

      That lineup could include 5 forwards that have less NHL experience than Zibanejad. Awfully, awfully young group. Not saying it wouldn’t look good in 3 years though.

      • Codo37

        I know my friend ;-)
        But what are the options? Keep Michalek? Insert Pageau?
        I think a Top4 LD is the main piece that comes back in a Spezza deal, so a prospect and a Pick. If we dont wanna spend a lot of money I hope for a Mc Arthur UFA Deal too. But we will see, an July 2nd we all know a lot more :-)

        • Hax

          Go to capgeek and plug in that roster – then look at how much more you’ll have to spend in the $56M budget. Send Lazar back to junior or Puempel back to the AHL and replace that guy with a veteran winger. No need to keep MM9 though I’d make him an offer (that he’d likely reject and look for more money/term elsewhere). But you can’t ice a junior team.

    • FistsofNeil25

      That group wouldn’t even get us to the cap floor.

    • Doc

      If Spezza leaves, you can bet that Zibby slots in as the 2C. The kid is ready for more responsibilities and ice time, and HAS to be in the top 6 to flourish.

      Management seems pretty keen on keeping him at C, and from what we saw last season, he’s ready for a stead top 6 role.

      • whammer44

        Agree with this. He was much more comfortable and dynamic in the C position. If they can add a legit top 6 winger to play with him I expect a break out year

        • FistsofNeil25

          Would have been nice to see Zibby with Hemsky for a season. Oh well.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Man oh man… If that’s the expected return on Spezza I hope to hell peoples expectations are put in check.

    I would rather a late first round pick next year than the 10th this year.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Turris with two assists in less than two minutes against Denmark.

    • Zelle

      I do believe that makes him a PPG player now.

      • Jakester

        Don’t tell Tookus thsi!

        • Zelle

          Meh. I’m sure he’d just find something else about Turris to complain about in comparison to Spezza or other #1C players.

          Great game for Canada as a whole today and the future looks good too. Seems like a lot of the forwards are contributing. Hodgeson with 3 goals, and Turris assisting on Read’s shortie. Kadri with two assists as well. Nice to know the team won’t be relying only on certain players to score goals.

  • 383

    I don’t know why everyone is trusting what Scott Cullen’s opinion is. He’s a Leaf homer fantasy guy for TSN.
    It’s not like it’s Friedman or someone worth a damn giving his opinion on the situation.
    Calm down folks, BM will make something happen at the draft. This line up on cap geek may as well been done by my 2 year old niece.
    Turris and Matt Read look awesome at the worlds right now.

  • The Apostle

    Obviously it depends on the Spezza return but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if we re-sign Michalek. We definitely try, it just depends if he’s OK with a 1 or 2 year offer, which is the most I would be happy with.

    Personally, I’d like to see Michalek move on, but Murray loves finding a way to sign UFAs.

  • Hax

    So much of our roster next year depends on the Spezza return. I doubt Murray makes any significant moves before the Spezza trade (i.e. UFAs or other trades).

    • FistsofNeil25

      That’s assuming a Spezza trade gets worked out at the draft or before free agency begins. What if that doesn’t happen?

      • Hax

        I think the fact that it’s the “big move” essentially means it has to happen before free agency. The draft is less of a concern IMO since it’s not that deep by all reports. Might see a minor move or two to get additional picks but that would be about it IMO (i.e. move Prince for a pick or something like that).

        But if a trade doesn’t happen by July 1st then yeah I guess Murray has to somewhat predict what major piece he’ll be getting (D or F) and go from there.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I just want it to happen sooner than later so we can all just move on lol

          • whammer44

            Amen to that.

          • Hax

            Haha – that too.

          • Zelle

            I wish I could upvote 100 times.

  • esk

    of course everyone wants spezza. “Since 2005-2006 five players — Sidney Crosby, Evgeni Malkin, Alex Ovechkin, Joe Thornton and Pavel Datsyuk — have scored more than Jason Spezza’s 1.06 points per game.” Again we BETTER get an excellent return.

  • http://@CARLOSwSPECR1 CARLOSwSPECR1

    Spezza and Cowen for Shea Weber? Thoughts?

    • Hax

      No possible way Melnyk takes on that contract.

    • runningbear1974

      Yes I would do it…

  • whammer44

    Hard to say what will happen with Da Costa. I think a lot depends on how the Spezza deal shakes out. If they re-sign SDC then he will be looking for a one-way. I’m not convinced he would thrive as 3C, which is where he would plug in.
    He has driven his value up with his play at the Worlds so maybe the Sens can leverage that and trade him as part of a package.

    • Hax

      Pending RFAs (outside of pure studs like ROR etc) don’t generally have a lot of value in trades.

      • whammer44

        Of course. But if they sign him, they could then move him. I just have hard time seeing where he’s going to fit.

  • Jakester

    DaCosta should be third line center behind Turris and Zibby. If his future is cloudy it just goes to further drive home the point that the guys at the top are lousy judges of talent. Lets keep extending the contracts of the Greening’s and Condra’s of the world! Bravo MR Murray!

  • Jakester

    Oh by the way Palmieri and Sbisa and the 10th overall pick would be a pretty good return.That’s more than what we gave up IMO for Ryan.

  • Millennium

    I think SDC could fit at 3C if they built the third line to be one that plays his style of hockey. If we assume Hoffman is 3rd line, and maybe finding another better 3rd line option than Condra or Greening, it could become a decent line. Pageau can spend another year in the AHL. This year seems like a bad time to choose between them because they both are in such a state of transition.

  • random_dude13

    That projected lineup literally made me feel sadness. Thanks for ruining my day, Cullen.

  • Sandy

    So if the cap is 69M next season.. What is the cap floor? About 55M?

    • Millennium

      well when the projected cap was 71M, the floor was going to be 52M, so expect around 50M I’m guessing?

      • Sandy

        Thanks.. didn’t know how they calculate the floor.. I thought it was about 14M difference.. but obviously not…

        • Millennium

          Fixed at $16M below the cap, last year not included. So I guess actually 52M is more accurate.

        • Millennium

          Here’s the actual answer I guess:

          “The Upper and Lower Limits will still be calculated based on the cap midpoint under the new formula, but those figures will be determined by adding or subtracting 15% instead of $8 million.”

          http://offsidesportsblog.blogspot.ca/2013/02/new-nhl-cba-changing-salary-floor.html

  • Millennium

    As for the reaction to Cullen’s lineup:

    I think people are reacting, in part, to seeing a bunch of unfamiliar names in their line combos. Its an easy trap to fall into to think that the more familiar name is the better name. I’m not necessarily saying the deal he hypothesized is the best, but people are seriously overreacting to a “this is the type of return you’ll get for Spezza” lineup. He’s choosing comparable with appropriate salary and team needs to show what the team COULD look like next season.

    I don’t think Sbisa is a fit, since we have a backlog of low-end defencemen, but the other two pieces are a good starting point for a deal. But that said, Sbisa is probably more useful than Cowen, Gryba, Boro, and Phillips at this point. We’re stuck with those guys, but the beauty of an Armchair GM is that you don’t have to deal with that reality. Sbisa would upgrade our bottom 3 D, if we didn’t have so much dead weight on the back end.

    Palmieri is a bit of a wildcard. Has top 6 potential, but there are concerns about his consistency. He strikes me as a bit of a ‘Turris in Phoenix’ situation where a change of scenery might be just what he needs.

    the 10th overall is pretty standard.

    Disagree with the choices all you want (I certainly do a bit), but Cullen is a fantasy hockey guru, a stats guy, and is extremely qualified in these areas. He is not a Toronto homer, he lets the numbers do the talking. He’s not infallible, but his projections are based on pretty solid ground.

    • Spinorama

      100% with this. Palmieri is a good prospect and might excel with Zibanejad. Now I would expect Murray to be adament about wanting Devante Smith-Pelley in the return as he would probably be the best fit besides Zibanejad. To me you don’t accept any offer from ANA without DSP.
      DSP, 10th overall and conditional 1st/2nd in 2015 if Spezza re-signs with them would be enough for me to take the deal.

  • sprucesens

    yuck, i’ll repost my “within budget” team yet again. http://capgeek.com/armchair-gm/roster/9826
    also, could trade cowen, prince, dacosta for bogosian as an upgrade. Anywho…

    • Millennium

      It looks like you’re trading Spezza for Forsberg and Josi? I’m sure if that deal is available BM laughs all the way to the bank. But I can’t imagine Nashville doing that deal. At least not without a sweet sign & trade in place.

      Also I don’t think Cowen, Prince, and Da Costa can get you Bogosian. But again, Murray takes it and runs if its available.

      Puempel coming up this year is a bit optimistic probably. Everything being said suggests he needs another year at least.

      • sprucesens

        it was a while ago, but I think I added PW or Gryba or greening or condra, as well as swapping 2nds or something like that(in my mind, lol) Yeah, we might have to add a mid pick and get a lower pick back in the bogo deal. but that’s a high 1st, a high 2nd and a relatively decent prospect in da costa for bogo. I don’t think its TOO far off of what they might want. Would be a hard sell with the way cowen played this year though.
        As for puempel, I could see him getting a shot, but if not lazar is ready and waiting. Well, no he’s got a few games left in the memorial cup which I plan to watch this weekend!!!!
        Anyways, it was my wish list, and would be an excellent grab from a team that might be willing to part with a top D to get a top C. Also assumes spezza signs or whatever is needed.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      I like that a lot

  • A-Train

    Gotta love having the Rangers involved in all this. Not surprising — if there’s a flashy player available, they’re usually involved somehow.

    If all these teams are even half-serious Murray has to be licking his chops right now. Get that bidding war going, Bryan!

    • Dirtysweetness

      Especially now since there’s talk of buying Nash out.

      • esk

        i would want nash

        • Doc

          No thank you.

          We have a better version of him in Ryan.

          • sprucesens

            true, but 2nd line will be open…..

          • Doc

            But Uncle Euge’s wallet won’t be.

        • Jakester

          He’s terrible, another floater. C’mon back to square one if we do that. He’s on the Kovalev career path!

      • sprucesens

        where did you hear this? I could see the sens targeting him huge on the ufa market, but so would 28 other teams

  • Cunning

    http://capgeek.com/senators/armchair-gm

    Not sure what you guys think about this lineup its very young but i think it could work. also the spezza trade i think should be used to acquire either mcdonagh+, stall+ or giradi+

    • Dirk-Diggler

      I can’t see anything done to that roster

    • Cunning
      • Dirk-Diggler

        Trading for Girardi would be cool but I think he just got extended and because of that they let Callahan go. So I can’t see them parting with him. I really don’t see a deal with the Rangers anyway. But that lineup is very young!

        • Cunning

          i see the second line being able to play a great 200 foot game i would like more leader ship for them but with our internal budget idk

  • Spoons

    Stephen Harper is a Leafs troll on twitter. LMAO!!! Here’s what he wrote last night:

    Great to see a Canadian team finally take out the Bruins in a game 7. #GoHabsGo @CanadiensMTL

  • WolfInSheepsClothes

    My “within budget” line-up.

    CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
    CapGeek Armchair GM Roster

    Clarke MacArthur ($3.250m) / Kyle Turris ($3.500m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
    Jussi Jokinen ($3.000m) / Andrew Cogliano ($3.000m) / Kyle Palmieri ($1.467m)
    Mike Hoffman ($0.750m) / Mika Zibanejad ($0.894m) / Mark Stone ($0.603m)
    Zack Smith ($1.888m) / Jean-Gabriel Pageau ($0.613m) / Chris Neil ($1.900m)
    Erik Condra ($1.250m)

    Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m) / Erik Karlsson ($6.500m)
    Marc Methot ($3.000m) / Matt Niskanen ($4.000m)
    Chris Phillips ($2.500m) / Cody Ceci ($0.894m)
    Mark Borowiecki ($0.575m) /

    Craig Anderson ($3.188m)
    Robin Lehner ($2.000m)
    ——
    SALARY CAP: $71,100,000;
    CAP PAYROLL: $53,871,667; BONUSES: $1,595,000
    CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $17,228,333

    • Dirk-Diggler

      What are your trades for Spezza, Cowen, Weircioch etc?

      I really don’t want anything to do with Anaheim unless it’s Vatanen or Lindholm coming back plus our 1st. Unless we add and get Etem as well.

      St Louis is my ideal partner still

    • FistsofNeil25

      I’ve been thinking for a while now that Jussi Jokinen may be one of the bargain bin players Murray goes after this year. I think he can be had for less than $4 000 000 per season though. GM’s know his numbers are inflated from playing with Malkin and Neal.

  • runningbear1974

    Macarthur Turris Ryan
    XXX/Spezza Zibanejad Lazar
    Hoffman Da Costa Stone
    Greening Smith Condra

    • FistsofNeil25

      Garrioch reported that the Sens internal budget for next season will be around 56 million. Your proposed roster doesn’t even get us to the cap floor. Gotta keep the internal budget figure in mind.

      • runningbear1974

        A few options…
        1) upgrades on Greening and Condra
        2) upgrade on Anderson with Miller
        3) upgrade on defense
        I’m sure it isn’t a problem spending less… As long as over the floor…

        • Sandy

          Miller isn’t coming to Ottawa.
          1. He wants a chance at the Stanley Cup
          2. He wants to be close to LA.
          Ottawa gives him nothing of that.

          • runningbear1974

            I was just thinking of ways to increase our cap to the floor without getting rid of some of the guys I like…

    • sprucesens

      sign a top free agent, or get one back in the spezza trade for 2nd LW and that’s close to how I had them lined up. But tough to take out neil, especially for greening and condra. I’d say one takes the LW 4th spot, and neil takes RW, with the other traded to “save” money because we are so cheap. Ho hum…

  • Zelle

    Seems there are rumblings about Lucic and the handshake line. Two things strike me as odd in this:
    1) Anyone expects anything less from Lucic
    2) That hockey players actually divulged what he said

    I remember during the cup run for the Vancouver Canucks, the Sharks were pretty much embarrassed in their last game and Ben Eager just went apeshit crazy. He bowled over Luongo and bent over him yelling something in his face while Luongo was laying down on the ice. Of course after the game the media was all over it, asking both players what was said, and while Eager of course said “You’ll have to ask him that.”, Luongo said: “What’s said on the ice stays on the ice.”

    For those who played competitive, it’s that usually the natural state of affairs between teams, even if they hate each other?

    • SensChirp

      Ya I thought it was pretty embarrassing that Dale Weise essentially tattled on Lucic. Then again, a lot of the stuff Montreal was saying after that win last night was kind of embarrassing.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        I think what Lucic said was dispicable. Maybe Weise shouldn’t have talked about it but blaming Weise is the wring move. Lucic needs to own his mistakes.

        • esk

          i hope he gets his ass kicked one day. I would understand if weise or eller did something really dirrty but they literally did nothing to warrant threats like that. What a jabroni

        • Zelle

          I don’t think it’s blaming Weise. I think it’s a little bit attention grabbing of him to air out to reporters about stuff like that. I mean if people don’t already think Lucic is a POS I don’t think this would change anything.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            I don’t really care how it was reported… There is no place in society or in hockey for actions like Lucic did… What if next year he injured Weise or Emelin on a dirty play? WIll he be charged since it would be premeditated? Or is it ‘part of the game’?

          • SensChirp

            Do you really think comments like the one from Lucic are rare on ice during games?

          • Dirk-Diggler

            Nope, and I will bet a few Sens players say shit like that all the time too… Still, there is no reason to threaten to kill anyone in the future.

            To be honest, when a guy gets that emotionally overloaded like Lucic did last night, then he’s liable to take stupid penalties and hurt his team. I’d rather guys that can play like real men and want to beat someone by scoring a goal or never letting the opponent get the puck than someone that wants to run around and try to hurt people.

            That’s just my $0.02

          • bluebuyyoo

            Team1200 used to have a Friday segment with ex-NHLers, Barnaby was a regular. He talked about the trash-talking that went on during and after games and how the public would be horrified to hear just what was said.

      • FistsofNeil25

        No respeck!

      • WaitingSince92

        Did he “essentially tattle” though? I thought it was Kypreos who made what was said public. I could certainly be mistaken though.

      • Jakester

        That should guarantee the Habs a 70-30 advantage in the calls again in the next series.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Well in Montreal’s defense, Lucic is a pretty big piece of shit.

      On the other hand, Montreal cries about being disrespected at any chance they can get. We heard it last year in the playoffs against Ottawa and we see it again this year against Boston. Everything Boston did was deemed disrespectful by the Habs. It’s something they make up in their own stupid minds to use as a motivating factor in hockey games. It’s kind of hilarious actually.

      As much as I hate Montreal, they deserved to win that series. Boston was off their game on too many occasions, and Lucic and Marchand resulted to their rat-like tendencies once again.

      With that being said, hopefully the Rangers can crush Montreal in the conference finals.

      • Zelle

        I despise Lucic. He’s a talented hockey player but his attitude is horrible on and off the ice. So I guess I don’t understand why everyone is upset about it, because honestly I don’t find it surprising for his character. What I’m more taken a back by is the fact that Weiss divulged that. Obviously Lucic isn’t actually going to kill the guy, so it’s not like it’s a threat to life. Just bad sportsmanship.

        I agree Habs enjoy playing the victims. Boston played like half their selves. They tried for maybe a few periods. They deserved to be embarrassed.

        • Sandy

          No Seidenberg and Kelly really hurt them..

          Rask just wasn’t good enough.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I don’t like either team at all. One of them had to lose but I was hoping it would be Montreal. Boston is an easy team to dislike as well. I just don’t understand the logic of shipping out Tyler Seguin because of off-ice immaturity when they can defend the antics coming from Lucic and Marchand.

          The worst part is I also despise the Rangers but I still have to cheer for them over Montreal lol I just pretty much dislike every team in the eastern conference. Toronto, Montreal, Pittsburgh, Boston, New York… I don’t even like Philadelphia

          • Zelle

            Yeah at this point I’ve lost interest. Boston winning was the lesser evil for me. I do like the Rangers though so I hope they make to the Cup finals. I wouldn’t mind Rangers v Kings cup final.

      • Sandy

        I keep thinking of Prust and what he said about McLean.
        Montreal is a bunch of hypocrites…

        • runningbear1974

          a couple of my buddies hate him too, and again, I just thought he was funny, not worthy of hate…

          • Sandy

            I didn’t think it was funny. I thought it was disrespectful.
            I’m sure if Neil said something derogatory about Therrien.. he would have received a fine or suspension.
            Prust gets nothing.
            They suspended Avery for dishing another players girlfriend.

          • runningbear1974

            I respect your right to feel however you want… It was disrespectful, but in a comical way… There’s no way he was serious about it… Fat Walrus…

          • Zelle

            Fat bug-eyed walrus *

      • runningbear1974

        I don’t know why people hate montreal… In my opinion they aren’t worthy of hate, but that’s my opinion… A lot of their fans are super annoying but that’s not their fault…

      • Harv

        I am a true Sens fan but I sure do not hate Montreal – Toronto, maybe. Montreal played an amazing series against Boston. The referreeing is atrocious in the NHL and an embarrassment for the league but that is not because of Montreal. Subban was ok in the final game, he worked hard but made a lot of bad moves. He still is a top Dman and, no matter what you think of him personally, helped them win thats eries big time.

        Cheering fro the Habs against New York.

        • FistsofNeil25

          My dislike for Montreal has nothing to do with PK. I actually really like PK. I enjoy his passion and I think he’s one of the most exciting players in the game. Some of his antics on the ice come off as a little arrogant, but there’s no denying how great and how exciting he is. His personality is refreshing for a league filled with a bunch of boring robots.

          • Harv

            Sort of the way I fell about him as well. Would not take him over EK but disagree with all the slagging he gets on these forums.

          • sprucesens

            I like his skill set, I despise him as a person and player. He can shoot the puck and create a rush with the best of them. However, he hits to hurt, and leaves his feet all the time in an attempt to injure, and never gets called for it. Then when someone decides to go toe to toe with him, he backs down and cry’s his way to the bench. If you are going to play to injure, expect to get your face punched in and stand up for yourself. He’s arrogant and does not seem to be a team first player. I don’t mind that he actually has personality, and has a huge desire to win, but he has to learn where the line is. And because of the way he cowers away after a big hit, when someone steps up to him, he will likely never learn, and isn’t likely to be suspended, because he’s a top player in the league, and we know how those players get treated.

          • Hax

            I mostly agree but even I will admit he’s maturing. How long it will last or how deep it goes remains to be seen. But he’s not nearly as bad as he used to be.

            The silver lining for me about the Habs winning is that they’re going to pay PK through the nose!

          • Zelle

            I used to like PK when he started, so much talent, and his antics didn’t bother me because he was young. Years later and he’s doing the same shit, so I’ve had enough. Still talented though, no doubt.

            One question: Would he have given the puck to MacArthur for the empty netter?

          • Jakester

            No he’s an egomaniac!

          • Zelle

            Exactly! And that is why I pick EK. Two skilled players. But on a team sport I’ll pick EK.

          • The Apostle

            I wouldn’t take PK over Karlsson either, but it’s a legitimate conversation to have over which one is the better player. Karlsson is more important to us than Subban is to Montreal, but Subban may be a more “complete” player. He has physical tools that Karlsson doesn’t have, in the same way that Karlsson, once fully recovered, will have agility tools that Subban lacks.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t think there’s any point in arguing which one is better. They’re both elite defensemen in the game and on any given year one could be better than the other. It’s that close. Same goes for Chara, Weber, Keith, Doughty, Suter, Pietrangelo. That’s the elite class of NHL defenseman and we’re lucky to have one of them in a Senators uniform. You can probably add the names McDonagh, Hedman and Ekman-Larsson into the mix as well as they emerge as top players.

          • Zelle

            If Sens had PK and Habs had EK the roles about who is better fight would be reserved. Basic sports fan behavior lol

          • Tooks

            Thats a really good comment, Subban might be as important I think, hell he’s 2nd on the team in pts but I do agree that we probably need Karlsson more, only cuz we suck alot more.

          • Tooks

            No kidding, PK brings life to the games, hell even in interviews, he kissed Pierre MacGuire!!
            He’s got swagger, something none of our players have.

          • Jakester

            Ok no swagger, what r u talking about?

          • Sandy

            He has arrogance…

          • TookieIs100PercentRight

            I don’t see it as arrogance, but then again I can see past certain things when evaluation behaviours. Also, fantastic points tooks!
            TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • sprucesens

        montreal deserved the win. however I hate the habs. Because their fans don’t deserve for the team to win. 95% of their fans are arrogant sob’s and act like they’ve won the cup with every little thing. And 90% of the time, the ref’s are on their side, which infuriates most other teams in the league. Snowing the goalie in a game 7 is a penalty? If that was the sens getting a call against like that, we’d still be ranting about it. And do you honestly think any other team in the league would have gotten that call?? I have actually personally NEVER seen that called, against any team, and yet they call it in a game 7. While their are certain players I dislike on lots of teams, certain players get a vote against regardless, just by playing on the habs. Those drafted by the habs, get the benefit of the doubt, since they had no choice.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Well you could argue both sides of that unsportsmanlike penalty on Marchand. I agree that the refs really to give Montreal the benefit of the calls, but I’ve seen players get unsportsmanlike penalties for snowing the goalie during the regular season all year and a couple times in these playoffs, so if you’re Marchand why would you do something like that when you know there’s a chance it could be called, especially based upon his reputation in the league. It was a selfish play by Marchand, but at the same time it’s a sketchy call in a game seven for sure.

          • sprucesens

            yeah, no doubt marchand should know better. He’ll never get the benefit of the doubt. But to call that, and then let more blatant calls go all year, is baffling.

        • Tooks

          That was a penalty no doubt about it and the ref didnt even hesitate. It was an idiotic move on Marchand’s part, its shit like that that is let go and then the game gets out of hand.

          • Sandy

            How many times do players ‘snow’ a goalie and it’s a penalty?
            Hell, Mason Raymond did it in the shootout spinorama against Ottawa and the goal counted.
            How about the call for goaltender interference when the Boston player was cross-checked into Price. No way is that a penalty but they called it one.
            For 2 so-called experienced refs they did a poor job last night, and that’s not just me saying that..
            Montreal most always gets the benefit of a doubt..

      • Tooks

        I think MTL wins it, easily to boot. Rangers have played 14 games in 2 rounds…They go to be tired, hurting, but they do have a strong will. With the death of St.Louis mom (RIP) it seems to have broght them together and they are playing for the guy next to them. But MTL has the same mentality.

        Either way its gonna be a high speed series, both teams known for their speed!

    • runningbear1974

      I’m ok with Lucic being publicly humiliated… After he sticked those couple of guys in the nuts, and got in no trouble from the league… I guess you need to get the media involved… I was cheering for Boston, but I stopped after the Lucic incidents… I can’t promote hits to the nuts… And, I guess he has other unsportsmanlike behaviour…

      • FistsofNeil25

        “I can’t promote hits to the nuts..” – runningbear1974

        Best quote I’ve seen on here in a long time lol

        • Zelle

          They should make a banner of it ;)

    • Doc

      I’d still take Lucic on my team any day. No question.

      • Tooks

        I would have a damn hard time taking him now, he’s done alot of gutless acts this year alone. I used to LOVE Lucic and the Bruins for the hard nosed game they played, rarely crossed the line but this year, all the stupid antics…Glad they lost actually.

        It broke my heart seeing Lucic spearing people, from behind no doubt…sigh

        • runningbear1974

          Marchand also did an upper cut to someone’s balls… I saw some video on it… There was a scrum, and he reached in an uppercut someone to the balls… I had never seen that before… Anyway, the Bruins have too much negative stuff with balls… They should go meditate and figure out who they want to be… Wear 2 cups when playing against the Bruins… Protect your balls…

      • Zelle

        He definitely adds to a team in terms of hockey talent and general grit. I just can’t like him after I read the story about him throwing shit at his girlfriend in the streets. If he was on the Senators I wouldn’t flip tables over or anything, but I wouldn’t defend his antics either.

        Honestly saying something like this is so minor I’m laughing at the outrage. I’m more wondering about Weise’s victimized stance in this.

    • A-Train

      Trash talk is non-stop on the ice, some players worse than others. The real sign of the times is how Weise feels comfortable airing it in public.

  • Harv

    We have had a lot of discussion on the coach wanting a style of play, a style that clearly does not fit Spezza’s game. DaCosta has gone the other way. He was sent home last season and told he had to develop a backbone and get stronger to play the NHL game. He did everything he was asked. So, I would be really be ticked off if they rewarded him by giving him a ticket out of town or locked him into Bingo.

    He played well the last time he was up and the two goals he scored against Canada showed his quickness and his control. He didn’t rush to get a shot away into the goalie’s chest pad. I like his game and I like his attitude. He has been very impressive in the Worlds.

    Turris has also shown a lot in the Worlds. Turris, ZBad, DaCosta, Smith, Pageau would look pretty good down the middle. Yes, there would be growing pains next year but 2 years from now we could be as solid as you get.

    Reward DaCosta’s hard work with a one way. He has proven there is still more to come.

    • runningbear1974

      I think we should only give contracts to guys who work for it… Trade away the guys that deserve big contracts but won’t do what you ask… The guys that have something to prove will work harder…

      • A-Train

        I hear Colin Greening is one of the hardest workers on the team.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I hear he also sucks at hockey ;)

          • A-Train

            That was kinda my point.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I know, I was just adding to it lol

          • Zelle

            Actually this last season he didn’t even work very hard. Often took inappropriate line changes and skated slowly.

        • Harv

          The difference is I suspect we have seen all Greening has to offer. Not just rewarding hard work. Rewarding results. Greening works hard with little result.

        • runningbear1974

          1) Greening will play better next year… He’s not as bad as people have been saying…
          2) Yes, if he’s doing what you ask of him, then keep him, if he’s not, then get rid of him…
          3) What is better? No skill but cooperates? Skill but no cooperation? Both are shit, but i vote for no skill but cooperates…

          • FistsofNeil25

            He is every bit as bad as people have been saying. It’s a toss up between him and Neil as the worst forward on the team. He’s worth half of the 2.65 annually that he’s set to make.

          • runningbear1974

            I disagree about how bad he is… He is better than Neil… I don’t know about value of players… To me he’s close to Neil and Smith… So, not sure what that is worth… He did have some good moments this year… I agree he also sucked a lot, just not as bad as people are saying…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Let’s put this into perspective here. Would you say that Greening, Neil and Phillips are our 3 least effective players? I would say they are, and I’m sure most would agree. These three guys no longer bring anything to the team that couldn’t be replaced by a guy off the waiver wire, or a free agent pick-up making one million per season.

            Instead, these three guys are signed on for multiple years with the Senators. We have a strict internal budget, and friggin Greening, Neil and Phillips make a combined $7 050 000 per season. That’s a lot of money we could be contributing to a legitimate top forward or a top defenseman. Instead, it’s going into the pockets of fourth line forwards and a #6 defenseman.

            Neil and Phillips have earned their spots more than Greening has. 2.65 million for a fourth line player is atrocious.

          • runningbear1974

            Neil and Phillips do not add any value to our team… Replace them with anyone, and the team is just as good…
            Greening however had a terrible year, and will do better next year… He’s a physical specimen and can very easily have a good playoff performance here and there…
            Maybe he is overpaid, but not by too much… He is a piece the coach will be able to use in different situations… He does have value… People this year are only seeing his weak points… Having him will allow for us to have a small skilled center…

          • FistsofNeil25

            When did he have a good playoff? 3 goals in 10 games last year? Does that make him a playoff performer? I remember Peter Regin scored three goals in one series against Pittsburgh a few years back. I guess he was a playoff performer as well.

            What makes you think he will do better next year? Who is he going to play with? If all three of Greening-Smith-Neil are on the roster next year then it’s a pretty safe bet they will be playing together, playing more minutes than they should. That was a terrible line.

            Having Greening doesn’t impact whether or not we can have a small center like Pageau or Da Costa. What’s he going to do to benefit them?

          • runningbear1974

            1) I agree with you… Just because you have 1 good playoff series doesn’t mean you’re a playoff performer…
            2) I think he’ll do better next year, because i remember that he had a bunch of good moments this year… (I don’t particularly like his style of play, i prefer smart, quick witted players)… I look at the good, minus the bad… Good, he tries hard, he’s big and fast… Bad, he’s slow witted, and clumsy sometimes… The Good seems like something he can continue to do… Whereas the bad seems like this year was particularly bad, therefore unlikely to happen to that extreme again next year… That’s my thinking…
            But, from a coaching perspective, i can see him being used a la Bickell… Every once and a while play on a top line, and hit and go to front of net…
            3) I agree Greening-Smith-Neil is a shit line… just shit…
            4) I do believe he will help Da Costa or/and Pageau (i only think one of them makes the team next year)… I’m not 100% sure why i believe it… Maybe because it gives an option on a line to go through people… Maybe gives confidence to smaller center… I think because it opens up space, and creates picks… And, he can defend them if things get tough…

          • Sandy

            If the Sens ever traded Neil there would be a riot in Ottawa…
            He is so well liked by the majority of Sens fans.
            He’s not an elite player.. but he wears the jersey with pride and will go ‘through a wall’ for this team.
            He takes stupid penalties some times.. he isn’t the only one. But you need some kind of deterent in the lineup … and that’s Neil..

          • runningbear1974

            I agree that’s the role he does… I just don’t think having him in the lineup increases our likelihood of winning…

          • TookieIs100PercentRight

            Neil is useless. He constantly takes bad penalties, doesn’t drive possession and has no skill. He is basically deadweight out there, I’ll drive him to the airport if he’s traded.
            TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!

          • bluebuyyoo

            Wow!

    • Jakester

      Well said Harv.

    • Senatollah

      As much as it “nice” to reward DaCosta’s hard work. If for same money you can pick up a UFA third line centre with more upside wouldn’t you explore that first before offering him a contract.

  • Harv

    Anybody watching Daugevins at the Worlds? Latvia just beat USA. We let this guy go?

    • FistsofNeil25

      We let him go because he’s a fringe NHL player. The World Championships mean very little. If he belonged in the NHL he would still have a full-time job somewhere in the league.

      • Harv

        Agree he was fringe when we let him go and Boston didn’t use him much. He seems to like the Worlds though.

        • Corey Trevor

          Something something something Cory Conacher, something something something facepalm…

      • whammer44

        We may be applying those exact comments to Da Costa soon.

    • Zelle

      USA I think is having a rough time. Canada seems to be gelling quicker. I liked Daugy for his bark after his goals lol but as a player, meh.

      • Sandy

        Tim Thomas has sucked….

        • Zelle

          Oh that could be. I guess he is a one and done. Lucky for him he got a cup out of his star year.

  • Sens613

    How about a phx trade?

    Doan, ekman-Larson, 2nd 2015 for
    spezza, wercioch, and stone?

    • Andrews theory

      OEL is untouchable

    • Rafi Bomb

      PHX probably won’t be moving Doan or OEL. I do like the idea of trading with them though as they have some good assets in Martin Hanzal, Keith Yandle, Max Domi, Henrik Samuelsson and Michael Stone.

      I would consider any of the the possible returns:
      Spezza for Hanzal and Yandle
      Spezza for Domi, Samuelsson, Stone and a 1st
      Spezza for Hanzal, Domi and Samuelsson
      Spezza for Hanzal, Stone, 1st/2nd and either Domi or Samuelsson

      • Sens613

        I like hanzal and yandle also.

        • Sandy

          You do know that Yandle was something like a plus/minus of -23 this season.. right?

      • peetypuck

        Domi’s son playing for the Ottawa Senators. That would be too much. hahaha

      • laffin681021

        PHX would probably hang up the phone if Murray presented these trades

    • sprucesens

      phx yes, but those probably wouldn’t be our targets. If we could get OEL, we would have that deal done by now before they realize what they’ve done. I would suspect gormley, domi, Samuelsson and yandle are all players the sens would look at

      • Sens613

        Oel is a pipe dream but it’s worth asking because js wasn’t available before.

    • WaitingSince92

      I would guess PHX is on Spezza’s list of ‘no-fucking-way-do-I-go-there’ teams… just a guess…

      • Sens613

        I heard they have a great golf course there

      • A-Train

        i hear players like it there…plus don’t they have a little security now as far has not moving the team imminently?

      • Sandy

        He probably knows the man from Ottawa that is part-owner of the team… as he was a season ticket holder with the Sens..

    • Jakester

      Doan he’s finished

      • Sandy

        Doan won’t leave Phoenix… he will retire first…

  • Rafi Bomb

    Are people on here actually whining over what Lucic said?

    • s3nsfan75

      you’re surprised?

      • Rafi Bomb

        I shouldn’t be. Fans these days want to police every element of what players do. They don’t want them to fight, they don’t want them to hit, they don’t want them to rough each other up, they don’t want them to talk trash.

        These are fully grown men in a highly competitive league. There are rules that they must abide by and if the violate they are penalized, fined or suspended. There is a very high probability that there is a substantial amount of “vulgar” comments and threats made nearly every game. Fans shouldn’t be so shocked when a bit of it happens to be made public.

        • s3nsfan75

          But you forget my fellow senschirper, this is the day of politically correctness and everyone taking everything personally.

          • Corey Trevor

            That was directed at me, wasn’t it? You bastard!

        • Zelle

          My favorite comment was by a mic’d up Kesler:
          “Give your balls a tug you fucking pussy.”

          I don’t usually like that term but I couldn’t help but laugh when I heard him say it and make the gesture of tugging down as he headed to the bench.

    • Doc

      RAFI! Favourite part of that show.

      • sprucesens

        haha, I never even noticed his picture until now, thanks for that! Not my favorite part of the show, but it is a great show. makes me want to start my own hockey league here. Unfortunately, not enough friends of mine like hockey enough… gotta find some new friends!

        • Doc

          Man, there are so many awesome quotes from Rafi, but most aren’t appropriate so I couldn’t post them here lol.

          Ruxin: No knives
          Rafi: But what if there’s an attack!?
          Ruxin: Its going to be mom’s and their little kids
          Rafi: That’s who I’d attack!

    • Zelle

      Sorry I’m the one who brought it up. People on this forum aren’t bitching, I was just looking to see how it usually plays out on the ice when it’s so competitive. This “incident” (I use that term VERY lightly) just reminded me of the Eager – Luongo “conversation” and how differently those players handled the media regarding the situation.

  • Andrews theory

    Happy to see Briere put up a solid performance after being benched by their idiot coach.

    Another 6 letter word that apparently stands for Briere is Clutch

    • sprucesens

      not sure how I feel about that. briere now helped the idiot coach look good by helping them get to the next round.

      • Sandy

        Weise as well.. Who knew he would score key goals like he did. That 4th line for Montreal is really good.. I hate saying that..

    • bluebuyyoo

      For sure. Briere manages to elevate in the playoffs. Always very scary around the net. Seemed to score against the Sens from near impossible places when he was with Buffalo & Philly.

  • Tooks

    His line up projection seems about right, especially the return for Spezza. I already knew we wouldnt get much without adding to get something better. Spezza can fetch you 3 pieces sure, lower to mid range players and a mid pick.

    • A-Train

      I think it’s actually a pretty good return! Palmieri — a good young player with unknown upside. Sbisa seems decent and the pick is a top 10 (ok…it’s #10).

      Pretty comparable to the Ryan deal.

      • Mat

        That’s the point. It should be better than the Ryan deal. Spezza is a way more valuable player than Ryan.

        • sprucesens

          I wouldn’t say WAY more, but the argument is there that he has produced more points over a longer sample. However, that goes against him too. He’s older and injured more often, and has 1 year less on his contract. While I don’t despise those 2 players and the top pick, I feel one of the other teams could offer a more impactful pair of players, possibly without the pick, which we probably don’t direly need, unless its in the top 3 this year, or a 1st next year.

          • Sandy

            He’s a number one centre.. who 2 short seasons ago was 4th overall in league scoring.
            He should return more than a 3rd line player and a little used defensemen and a pick in a bad draft.

        • Jakester

          I’ll take my chances with Bobby.

      • peetypuck

        After three NHL seasons Palmieri looks more like a third liner. His scoring %age is only 10-11%. It doesn’t take a Spezza to get a player like him. Sbisa is not a top-3 d-man. Anaheim is just moving their spare parts. After the Bishop for Conelly swap I can’t see BM going for this trade.

        • A-Train

          Gotta remember Spezza wants out of Ottawa and all the GMs know that. So while it’s good for Murray that multiple teams want to be involved…he’s walking into any negotiation with some leverage already lost.

          • peetypuck

            I think Murray starts chuckling as he hangs up the phone.

          • WaitingSince92

            I would guess GMs see that as an opportunity, not a hindrance. It’s different than with, say, Heatley.

    • WaitingSince92

      It makes sense to find a team that also needs a depth defenceman and package one with Spezza. Makes the return higher than low/mid range players. I don’t think Murray’s going to let Spezza go without getting one substantial piece that he’s confident in.

  • Sensturion

    Murray will not sign Grabovski or Kulemin. Murray dislikes the work ethic of Russian players and both have a tendency to coast IMO.

  • A-Train

    B..b..but I thought he was gonna come in here next year and save the Sens???

    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2014/05/08/oil-kings-need-curtis-lazar-to-catch-fire–among-other-things–to-overcome-winterhawks-in-whl-finals

    CALLING CURTIS

    Normally as reliable as they come, Edmonton’s leading goal scorer Curtis Lazar has struggled mightily when the lights shine brightest, recording just one goal, four assists, and a minus-nine rating in the first 16 WHL championship games of his career. But that was before Game 4, when he scored a big goal that just might have shaken the proverbial gorilla off his back. As Lazar goes, the Oil Kings go, so it goes without saying Edmonton needs much more of this from their veteran leader.

    • Zelle

      He actually interviewed about this and his troubles feeling the pressure.

    • sprucesens

      yeah, he is probably the most complete player on the team from what I’ve seen. Samuelsson and kulda a close 2nd and 3rd. Moroz pretty good too. But every game its those 4 guys producing all the offensive chances. They have eyes on lazar the most, because he’s been pretty much carrying the team from the look of it. Hopefully he can produce some big games this weekend and next week

    • boom

      Curtis Lazar
      Edmonton Oil Kings
      21 games
      10 goals
      12 assists
      22 points
      12 pim

      seems to me he did all right?

      • Zelle

        If the journalist is talking about the 2014 WHC stats I’m not sure where he is getting his information. A break down for this season’s WHL by game:
        http://www.whl.ca/roster/gameByGame/id/6678/ls_season/246

        Even if you look at the 2013 WHL he doesn’t have those stats after 16 games. 8 goals and a +3.

        To quote the article: “…recording just one goal, four assists, and a minus-nine rating in the first 16 WHL championship games of his career.”

        But in 2011 in four games: 1G, -1
        Then in 2012 in 12 games: 5G, +6
        So after his first 16 WHL playoff games, career wise, he has 6 goals and is a +5.

      • Jakester

        Don’t listen to him he wanted us to resign Phillips and was all giddy when we did! Lazar is money!

        • A-Train

          Hey! Actually I think my position was that I didn’t understand why everyone was so upset about signing a depth defenceman! Especially one winding up a long career in Ottawa! You know, after the Alfie fiasco! But whatever!

          • Jakester

            It’s ok, I know what your position was. You bring up good points. Anxious to see Lazar on the TV screen during the memorial Cup.

          • Jakester

            Oh but that depth was costly. Lol

      • A-Train

        So this Sun writer get his numbers wrong…?

        Anyway, relax y’all. Obviously I am a despairing Sens fan googling Curtis Lazar to get me through the work day. We’re all excited about the kid….but I’ve been around the block a few times. I’ll wait till he plays a game that doesn’t include 16-year-olds before putting a Lazar poster on my ceiling.

  • Zelle

    DaCosta with the lone goal for France. If he can bring that enthusiasm and drive to the NHL and produce that should be more than enough reason to keep the kid at the NHL level on the Senators.

    • Jakester

      He can if they just let him take his spot as third line center. But Murray and Dorion are so dunce they’ll probably let him walk…..

      • Tooks

        Let him walk he wont make the NHL on any other team anyways.

  • Mat

    Woah. That line up is depressing. And it sure won’t keep players like Karlsson, Ryan, or MacArthur wanting long term commitment with Ottawa (Karlsson would demand a trade to Alfie’s men’s league team I’m sure).
    You build a team like that and you pretty much know what to expect: Nothing.

  • luckan20

    First of BM shouldn’t deal with Anaheim. The secondly, it is the worst they can give for a top line center. In my opinion, the teams mentioned above will give better return that Anaheim. If we want to make the play-offs, Anaheim deal will guarantee us a bottom 5 team in NHL next season. I will even take Kadri, top pick and Biggs over Anaheim deal. To make it more exciting, I will ask them to include Jake Gardiner, Kadri, top pick and Tyler Biggs for Spezza, Wiercioch and our 2nd..

    • Jakester

      I would do that.

      • Sandy

        I wouldn’t…

      • Tooks

        Well its much beter than the ANA deal.
        Kadri > Palmieri
        Gardiner > Sbisa
        Biggs > 10th pick
        TOR pick

        • FistsofNeil25

          I love how you say Biggs has greater value than the 10th overall pick though. Like that’s a hilarious statement to make. Do you think Anaheim would trade the 10th pick for Biggs?

          Biggs was just another Brian Burke busted draft pick. I’m sure people are really impressed by his 9 points in 57 games this year. I guess he’s truculent though so that’s just dandy.

  • Jakester

    I wouldn’t want Boyle or Havlat. Does Havlat even play hockey anymore?

    • WaitingSince92

      Nothing wrong with Boyle for one or two years. He fills a massive hole.

      • Jakester

        Apples or Oranges…..

  • Sensturion

    Getting Havlat would essentially be the same thing as keeping Michalek. So no.

    • Sandy

      He probably wouldn’t come to Ottawa anyway. He most likely wants to live in a larger city or a warmer climate..

    • WaitingSince92

      Not necessarily advocating Havlat, but they’re pretty different players. Havlat produces when he’s healthy, but can’t stay healthy. Michalek finally stayed healthy for a full 82, but couldn’t produce. Also, Havlat is more slink/hands and less power/drive to the net, Michalek being the opposite.

  • WaitingSince92

    I don’t want to sound like a broken record, but Boyle officially is not returning with the Sharks.

    Downsides: Old and costly. Still, he’s still plays at a very high level and can log minutes. He’s got offensive prowess, can exit the zone, hit, isn’t prone to giveaways and as a bonus, he’s a local boy…er local man. He’s definitely still got a year of high caliber hockey, even though he’s not as good as he used to be.

    Instead of being being dependent on Wiercioch, Gryba, Phillips, Cowen or Borowiecki to play over their heads, bring in an old stud that can actually log the minutes while they mature.

    It would be nice to have some veteran leadership on the back end… leadership that isn’t Phillips.

    • Sandy

      Depends on the salary he is demanding…

      • WaitingSince92

        I’m thinking he can get Goncharesque cash, the $5M neighbourhood

    • Tooks

      It all depends IF Boyle goes for cash or CUP or both. Either way we cant offer any of the above…

      Maybe cash IF Melnyk wins the lottery or something…But CUP, forget about it.

      • Senatollah

        why would he need to win the lottery?

    • Doc

      Meh on Boyle.

      I’d rather look for other (younger) options.

      • WaitingSince92

        There’s always a hypothetical better option. I know he’s old but it doesn’t matter. We don’t need everyone on our team to be 19-24

        • Doc

          He’s 37 though, and has regressed a lot in the last few seasons. He had sheltered minutes and very mediocre advance stats on one of the best possession team.

          I would have minded grabbing him if we didn’t re-sign Phillips. Something will have to give in regards to our defensemen.

          • WaitingSince92

            That’s true. One big knock against Boyle is that we resigned Phillips. Ugh.

      • ChampIsHere

        If Boyle is asking for 5M, I’d sooner offer that to Niskanen. He’s seen a lot of Ottawa over the past few years and he might look kindly on joining the team.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Dan Boyle would be a good pick up because he wouldn’t cost us anything in terms of assets going out, although we would have to move out a body or two to make room for him. He would also bring a veteran presence, mobility, and more offense to our team. I like the idea of signing him to a two year deal to give Ceci, Cowen and company more time to grow and relieve the pressure on these guys.

    Would he sign a two year contract at $4 500 000 to play in Ottawa? I think that’s the type of contract he will receive this summer, but he would probably rather take a deal like that with a contender seeing as though he will be 38 by the time next season commences and the Sens are no where close to contending next seasoon.

  • savagestix

    Getting kadri and gardiner for spezza would be a good return but since bm probably doesnt want to trade spezza to leafs, they would have to add a good pick to make the deal happen

    • FistsofNeil25

      Kadri and Gardiner don’t make the Sens any better. Is Gardiner any better than the long list of bottom pairing guys we have? He’s got a nice set of wheels and some offensive upside, but he is terrible defensively. Literally terrible. Is he really an upgrade over Wiercioch? Yeah he’s a better skater, but is her a better player? I’m not so sure.

      If Toronto wants Spezza they can give up something better than that. There’s no reason for us to have to trade Spezza to them. If they want him, they can over pay and offer us something like Reilly or JVR, otherwise I have little interest in what they have to offer.

      • Jakester

        I hate Kadri, but he has loads of skill. He’s going to be a scorer, imagine him with EK65 feeding him on the rush.

        • sprucesens

          i sooner picture neil feeding him, and there are no pucks involved

      • Andrews theory

        Agreed on Gardiner, although Kadri and Zib fighting over the second line center role gives us 3 competent threats down the middle

        • Jakester

          You could even have Kadri play on the left side of Zibby

      • Tooks

        Ummm yes Gardiner would play in out top 4…
        Kadri would be an upgrade in out top 6…

    • Sandy

      Kadri is so good that apparently Tippett benched him in the 3rd period of the last game..

      • Zelle

        That made me laugh xD

      • Aaron 2.0

        I personally loathe the kid (not a fan of his personality, at least not on tv, maybe in real life we’d be best friends, who knows). But, he’s a good hockey player. And, he’s been knocked around a little bit w/ Toronto. Carlyle has everyone thinking he can’t play defense. I’m not sure if it’s true, but the Leafs have probably hurt their own cause if they are trying to trade the player. Still young (same draft as Cowen). Lots of potential, with some proven success already.

        Doubt we trade with the Leafs though. I say it a lot, but I hate inner-division trades. The risk is too high if you lose, given how many games you have against said team.

      • Tooks

        So were Scheifele and Huberdeau, they are supporting cast and Canada was trailing or trying to protect a 1 goal lead.

  • Andrews theory

    I like Boyle and I’d live to have him but given he gets to pick his destination and we are in the midst of getting rid of Spezza, I gotta think that he’ll have more desirable options from teams looking for some pp help.

    • Sandy

      He probably wants to try to win another Cup.. not to come to a re-building team..

      • Zelle

        You don’t know that for sure. Ferrence went to the Edmonton Oilers.

        • Sandy

          True…

          • WaitingSince92

            Not like it cements anything, but being from Ottawa can’t hurt.

    • Doc

      See, I don’t get the Boyle love. He’s 37 and at the tail end of his career. I don’t see how he fits with the current makeup of our team.

      He still put up some points, but he was playing with one of the top 3 teams in the league. 5 years ago this conversation would have been different, but now, I don’t see the fit with the Sens.

  • ProfessorPower

    my lineup prediction

    Macarthur-Turris-Stone
    Stewart-Richards-Ryan
    Clifford-Zibanejad-Lazar
    Greening-Smith-Neil
    Hoffman

    Methot-Karksson
    Cowen-Boyle
    Boro-Ceci
    Philips

    Lehner
    Anderson

    • sprucesens

      i still don’t see richards or carter ever being traded off the kings. They seem to be a package deal. Toffoli+ a few other complementary pieces would be enough though. And phillips won’t be our 7th D, as much as we all would love that. I’m not sold on Boyle. It’s a safe move, that we don’t lose assets, but i don’t think we get much better in that scenario. What happens to PW, and gryba?

      • Aaron 2.0

        In know I’m probably a minority on this one, but I still think that PW is the real deal. I really hope he doesn’t get squeezed due to a numbers game, but won’t be surprised if he does.

        • Senatollah

          there is something about his game that screams game-breaker, like he is on the precipice of solidifying his spot. Whats hard is he just always looks so awkward on the ice, with the puck and without.

          • FistsofNeil25

            That’s just because he’s so lanky lol

        • ChampIsHere

          With confidence and little more swagger PW can be a real solid D. he showed that in the pre-season last year. I rage whenever I see Philips on the second PP and not PW (given he’s in the line-up)

      • Tooks

        Dustin Brown is a more realistic option.

  • Jakester

    You know it’s funny the Cullen proposed trade with Anaheim, people were quick to shoot down the players involved. Both Sbisa and Palmieri are first round picks and only 24 years old. Here read up Sbisa.

    http://www.whl.ca Luca Sbisa
    HOMETOWN:
    OBERAGERI SWITZERLAND
    TEAM:
    ANAHEIM DUCKS
    CURRENTLY PLAYING IN:
    PRO
    BIRTHDAY:
    1990-01-30
    POSITION:
    D
    ELIGIBLE FOR DRAFT:
    2008
    SHOOTS:
    LEFT
    DRAFTED:
    2008
    HEIGHT:
    6-1
    ACQUIRED:
    TRADE WITH PHILADELPHIA, 2009
    WEIGHT:
    190 LBS.
    PROSPECT TALENT SCORE
    8.0
    About Prospect Talent Score and Probability of Success»
    PROBABILITY OF SUCCESS
    B
    News & FeaturesProspect RankingsTeam Rankings
    History

    2007-08: Sbisa scored six goals and 27 assists in 62 games during his rookie season, posting a plus-19 ranking and collecting 63 penalty minutes. He was a significant contributor to the Lethbridge Hurricanes playoff run, with 15 points in 19 games. Sbisa made huge strides in his physical play during the second half of the campaign, which carried through the playoffs.
    Drafted 1st round (19th overall), 2008 by Philadelphia.

    2008-09: Sbisa made the Flyers out of training camp and played 39 games with them posting 7 assists and a -6 rating. He was eventually returned to Lethbridge where he finished out the season with 4 goals and 11 assists in 18 games.

    2009-10: Was traded in the off-season to the Anaheim Ducks as part of a package that saw Chris Pronger go to Philadelphia. Started the season in Lethbridge where be posted 1 goal and 12 assists before being traded to Portland where he finished with season totals of 4 goals and 14 assists in 18 games. He also played for Switzerland in both the WJC and the Olympics, in both instances, being held scoreless. Finished the season playing 8 games for the ducks where he post 0 points and a minus-1.

    Talent Analysis

    No matter the level, Sbisa has shown that he has all the tools to one day be a top-notch NHL defenseman. His strength lies in his effortless puck-moving style and elite skating ability.

    • Jakester

      Here a little bit on a Kyle Palmieri, also remember reading somewhere that him and Ryan get along pretty well. Another first round pick.

      Talent Analysis

      Palmieri has gradually developed into one of the more dangerous scorers in the AHL. His stretch run in 2010-2011 cemented him as a player to watch in the Ducks organization as he has risen on the organization’s radar. He has above average speed, the ability to make plays in traffic, a quick release and a solid motor. As his confidence has increased and the situation has grown more stable around him, his total game has flourished.

      Future

      With quick strides, active legs, sound hockey sense an accurate shot, Palmieri definitely projects as a scorer. He could, however, stick as a bottom-six player with a bit of scoring touch as he has no major deficiencies in his game that would prevent him from playing in an energy or checking role.

      • Jakester

        So basically a guy who plays a hard game, something Murray wants. A skilled guy who plays hard! Plus, the tenth overall pick, doesn’t sound as bad as some people made this trade example out to be. Not all doom and gloom!

        • sprucesens

          no, both players project to be good players, but i guess most of us like to think we might get a higher end player that has already proven a little more than that, for spezza. I’d be fine with that return without resigning, but a 31 points forward that was playing with top talent already in anaheim, might not be enough of a return. Sbisa will be good too, but again, not as much of an upgrade as we really should be getting, and then a weak first rounder. Late, and in a poor draft. Seems like an overall poor return

          • Jakester

            You know what, I think that they are good players and are hitting their prime. They would be a decent return. Plus you add something to the 10th pick and move up to 5-6 and you’re getting another good player. Anyways, I’m not worried. The return should be decent. My point was to enlighten, cuz a lot of people don’t know these players. Very strange that he put out these two names, maybe they spoke players big time with Anaheim and these were the two names that came out. Going to get interesting. Does Edmonton play tomorrow night or Saturday?

          • sprucesens

            yeah, definitely good info, thanks for that. Edmonton plays saturday and sunday i think, but i could be wrong. i plan to watch.

        • Tooks

          Thats sounds about right for spezza, no team will give up the farm nor will they give up their ebst young roster players.

          This trade is very realistic and fits into what I said Spezza could fetch. Mid level roster players, the pick is a bit surprising but it is 10th so low/mid range.

          • MethotToMyMadness

            What is the pick was just Ottawa getting it’s own pick back in this years draft? Isn’t that a 10th?

      • Jakester
    • Jakester
      • Frank

        Remember those highlight videos of David Rundblad…?

        • Jakester

          These guys can play hockey. Palmieri is actually the type of player this team nedds – all hustle with scoring upside. Complete player. Not far off the type of deal we might get.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            So was Conacher

      • FistsofNeil25

        Are we supposed to be impressed by a highlight pack of Sbisa dropping the gloves?

        • Jakester

          Just trying to show you that these 2 guys are good hockey players – that’s all.

    • WaitingSince92

      Don’t think I’d be able to handle the Sun headlines if that trade happened. Something tells me they would not let go of the Sbisa/Spezza thing.

    • FistsofNeil25

      There’s nothing wrong with Palmieri and Sbisa. They’re fine players. That proposed Cullen trade is actually decent value for Spezza.

      Most of us just hope that the Spezza trade will bring back a player that has a high ceiling. Palmieri and Sbisa don’t have high ceilings. They’re average players. Palmieri might become a legitimate top six forward and Sbisa might become a legit top four defenseman but neither have done anything in their careers to prove they can do that. They just add to the long list of very average NHL players we already have. They don’t make this team better.

      I think most of us would rather see less pieces coming back to Ottawa in the Spezza trade if it means one of those pieces is a top prospect or an already proven player.

      • WaitingSince92

        Ditto that. We don’t want a bunch of mediocre pieces adding up to Spezza. We need at least one substantial piece that will be the cornerstone of the deal.

        Kinda reminds me of old fantasy trade people would post on Senschirp:
        “Malkin for Greening… no? How about Malkin for Greening, Condra, Wiercioch, Gryba, Da Costa, Borowiecki and Pageau? Still no?”

      • whammer44

        Totally agree.

        and the great thing about Cullen posting that trade is that there is no way its going to happen now. How ridiculous would it look if Cullen predicted the trade a couple of months in advance of it happening.

        • peetypuck

          I wouldn’t give up more than a second round pick for Palmieri and Sbisa. They’re only spare parts to Anaheim. Their other prospects have higher ceilings.

    • Conor_smythe

      WOAH!! a Defenseman who actually stops people from crossing the blue line?!?1

      Sign me up

      haven’t see one of those in Ottawa since Volchenchov left and Phillips lost his gonads

  • BeJamin

    Sbisa was a player Ottawa was quite high on a while back. Similar to how they felt about Smid. Honestly though it’s pointless to speculate. Just cross your fingers, hope there is a bidding war and someone overpays.

  • Dirtysweetness

    I wonder what Florida would offer up for Spezza? I’d love for us to get Bjugstad.

  • Senatollah

    Hope BM can swing Spezza to a deal to the KHL. That Putin guy put up crazy Corsi+ numbers in his last game played. Should have enough cap space to sign him

    • MethotToMyMadness

      I’d love to see Ottawa deal with Buffalo and get Zemgus Girgensons, but we know that won’t happen.

  • Red Scarf Union

    Hey guys don’t forget about our event Saturday! Rally on the hill we aim to show Jason that there are a lot of people in this town that do appreciate him. Bbq after the rally at The Senate to raise money for Do it for Daron. Check out the event details on our Facebook group and come on out to raise money for a worthy cause. #DIFD #REDSCARFUNION

    • Jakester

      I hope you and your friend have a good time.

      • Jakester

        For DIFD count me in I’ll be there!

    • Dirk-Diggler

      have you tweeted any players that may want to come to the BBQ to raise money for DIFD?

      • Red Scarf Union

        We have members tweeting @ some of the players doubt they would attend tho

    • Doc

      If you want to get more people at the rally, I’d drop the whole Spezza thing and just make it a DIFD event.

      Trust me when I say that a lot of people won’t go because it’s a ‘Spezza Appreciation Even’.

      My 2 cents.

  • WaitingSince92

    Aside from the depression Cullen’s prospective roster put me in, one thing I found puzzling was the lack of Borowiecki – isn’t he on a one way next year? I could see them carrying him as a 7th, but as an 8th? Clearly someone’s gotta get moved.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Yeah, I made the same point. He’s on a 1 way, so where did he deal him too? I have to ask, because I couldn’t see the trade info. Where on that page was the trade for Spezza shown?

      • Hax

        Not that I like Cullen’s roster, but Boro can be kept in the AHL next year – it just means we have to pay him his NHL money.

        • MethotToMyMadness

          But is that something a budget team would consider? As I wrote that, I almost slapped myself for saying budget, because I’ve come to hate that word!

          • Hax

            I’m sure it would come out of the budget so that means it’s a bit less likely than if there was no “budget” other than the cap itself. Doesn’t mean it won’t happen but in terms of Cullen’s roster I think paying Boro in the AHL still keeps him on budget (or close).

    • Jakester

      Essentially in Cullen’s deal we’re getting 3 first rounders. Both were first round picks and the 10th overall. Not sure what you’re expecting but it won’t be much more than that????

      • FistsofNeil25

        Being former first round picks doesn’t mean a thing.

        • Jakester

          Yeah ok whatever, dream on if you think Spezza wll bring in more.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I never said he would bring more. I think that Cullen trade is fair value for Spezza. I would rather see less pieces involved though and get a high-end prospect or a more proven player. Less quantity more quality.

            There’s going to be all kinds of offers for Spezza. What if St Louis offered Shattenkirk and Edmonton’s second round pick for Spezza? Shattenkirk is better and has a higher ceiling than Palmieri or Sbisa, but you could argue than Shattenkirk + the 33rd overall pick isn’t as valuable as Palmieri + Sbisa + 10th overall pick.

            All I’m saying is that although Palmieri + Sbisa+ 10th overall is fair value for Spezza, it’s just a bunch of average pieces. I want Murray to pull the trigger an offer for Spezza that includes the best piece, not necessarily the best package.

            What Ottawa needs is high-end talent. We don’t have a whole lot of it.

      • WaitingSince92

        It’s not quantity, it’s quality. I’d rather get two pieces, but at least one player we trade for has to have more potential than Palmieri/Sbisa. Also, the 10th overall is in a draft that has only 2 or 3 bluechip prospects, so 10th ain’t shit. We need someone who is a little more proven, or at least has a higher ceiling.

    • runningbear1974

      I prefer Da Costa to Gabrowski, or whatever that ex-leafs name is…

    • The Apostle

      Borowiecki is on a one way deal but he is still eligible for waivers.

      Whether Melnyk is happy paying somebody an NHL salary in the AHL again is another matter.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Turris with a shorthanded goal. What a pass from Matt Read. 4-0 Canada over Italy.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Read and Turris have been showing some good Chemistry. Get it done BM!!! lol

      • FistsofNeil25

        Turris has chemistry with everyone he plays with. Alfie, MacArthur, Ryan, and even Foligno in their short time together. Just a solid player.

        • Zelle

          I like you :)

        • peetypuck

          I was just going to say the same as you. Turris seems to be a player that makes his linemates better. A real diamond in the rough that Bryan Murray stole from Phoenix.

          • Sandy

            It’s nice to see that Tippett also sees what Turris’ brings as he is using him as his shutdown centre. Turris plays all situations as well..

          • Zelle

            I liked what Tippett had to say about Turris before the tournament began. Basically said that he didn’t play him a lot in Phoenix because his defensive play was lacking, but was more than comfortable having him as the #1C in the tourny because his 200ft had improved a lot.

          • peetypuck

            I think Tippet gets some credit for teaching Turris about the defensive aspects of the game. Now he’s just a great all round player.

      • Tooks

        Haha get Matt Read here now!! lol

        • The Apostle

          We tried that last year. Philly said no.
          Matt Read is exactly the sort of player we should be targeting for 2nd/3rd line duties.

  • aegiszx

    I guess Mario is fed up… guy wants to win now like the rest of the league. No disrespect to Sid but he was injured for awhile there during his PRIME… and although he may be the face of the franchise… he needs a better supporting cast…Just look at the top teams like Bruins, Kings, Ducks, Hawks, etc. The top echelon of the NHL are just so friggin good and have so much depth.

    Mario should know that so many pieces need to fall into place for a team to win the Cup… Honestly even though its premature, I think Jonathan Toews will go down into the HOF with more accomplished than Sid. No doubt in my mind the Hawks will win at least 2 more Cups in the next 5 years.

    Just my 2 cents…

    • Zelle

      IMO Jonathan Toews is the better player anyway. Maybe not in flash and style but just overall game.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Toews is my favorite player in the game so my bias would lead me to agree with you. I wonder what we’d be saying if you swapped Crosby and Toews places. I’m sure Crosby would have more success in Toews place on Chicago than he has had with Pittsburgh.

        The scary part is Pittsburgh could have had Toews as well if they had drafted him instead of Jordan Staal! Can you imagine?!

        • Zelle

          Now that would be a scary lineup. I agree Toews has the better supporting cast so maybe I’d have a different opinion if the roles were reversed, but I think overall Toews is the more complete player and definitely a better high level performer.

    • runningbear1974

      Pittsburgh is screwed by overpaying their superstars… Which is great for the rest of the teams… Chicago is really smart about how they pay people… They made smart decisions financially… Scotty Bowman is a genius, he understands the real value of things… The moment you pay Malkin 10 million a year, he’s overpaid, and will forever hurt your team… Poor vision…

      • FistsofNeil25

        We’ll see if the same can be said for Chicago next season when both Toews and Kane are due for new contracts. I don’t expect either to make any less than $8 500 000 on their next contracts.

        • peetypuck

          But then, the salary cap could be up to $74-75 million for 2015. $8.5 million would only be a little more than 11% of the team salary. At $64 million, Malkins $10 million is 16%. About 50% more than 11%.

          • esk

            16% for one player that’s cray!

      • bluebuyyoo

        632 points in 518 regular season games. Career +58
        111 points in 96 playoff games. +8

        If Pittsburg had not paid up, he would have walked and been paid anyway.
        Toews and Kane are both RFAs making $6.3M. Chicago is already at $71M. The fun will begin for Bowman very soon.

      • A-Train

        Do you mean Stan Bowman?

        • Tooks

          Well kinda, see, sure Stan has the official title but who do you think really runs the show…Scotty.

      • Tooks

        Yes the only diff between PIT and CHI is Front Office smarts.,Hence why Shero and Bylsma are gone. PIT aint about to trade the core group they have, that would be very stupid. Bring in fresh ideas and just a change will do them wonders.

        • The Apostle

          Except that isn’t what Pittsburgh did.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Hey Boys/Girls, way off the topic of the Sens and Hockey, but have any of the loyal SensChirp posters qualified for the TSN 1200 Mark Motors Porsche contest? Today is the last day and I was lucky enough to get in under the wire yesterday afternoon. Now I’m just crossing my fingers for having my name drawn for a chance at a key!

    • bluebuyyoo
    • Sandy

      Congrats and good luck. Let us know how it turns out..

      • MethotToMyMadness

        TSN1200 just announced the 5 names and I wasn’t one of them. Oh well, guess it wasn’t meant to be. Congrats to the people who’s names were called and good luck on Wednesday night!

  • Ben Soubliere

    Low end return for Spezza-> Berglund, Rattie, 2014 1st. Berglund started putting up better numbers when he got moved to the left wing, and Rattie was pretty high on our draft board in 2011.

    CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
    Ottawa Senators 2014
    FORWARDS
    Clarke MacArthur ($3.250m) / Kyle Turris ($3.500m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
    Patrik Berglund ($3.500m) / Mika Zibanejad ($0.894m) / Martin Havlat ($2.500m—50.00%)
    Mike Hoffman ($1.000m) / Stephane Da Costa ($1.000m) / Mark Stone ($0.603m)
    Colin Greening ($2.650m) / Zack Smith ($1.888m) / Chris Neil ($1.900m)
    Erik Condra ($1.250m) /
    DEFENSEMEN
    Marc Methot ($3.000m) / Erik Karlsson ($6.500m)
    Dan Boyle ($5.000m) / Jared Cowen ($3.100m)
    Chris Phillips ($2.500m) / Cody Ceci ($0.894m)
    Mark Borowiecki ($0.575m) /
    GOALTENDERS
    Craig Anderson ($3.188m)
    Robin Lehner ($1.500m)
    ——
    CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
    (estimations for 2014-15)
    SALARY CAP: $71,100,000; CAP PAYROLL: $55,291,667; BONUSES: $1,595,000
    CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $15,808,333

    • A-Train

      not to nitpick…but didn’t St.Louis already give up their 2014 1st in the Miller deal?

      • Ben Soubliere

        Actually, not yet. They only gave up the 2014 1st Rd pick if they advanced to the Western Final, or if Miller Re-Signs.

    • ChampIsHere

      5M over internal budget ya pleb (i think im just joking)

      but i like this line-up a lot

      • Ben Soubliere

        LOL. According to Garrioch, the budget is supposed to be around 56-57M.

      • Sandy

        Budget is 56M.. so it’s under.

        BTW I don’t think Havlat has any intention of returning to Ottawa.

    • Rafi Bomb

      That is a pretty soft lineup.

  • runningbear1974

    For those who want Boyle and Havlat… Why? I don’t share your vision for this team… Are you guys not sick of these 1 dimensional skilled guys? Guys who are paid more than they’re worth? What identity do you want? We have a chance to change the directions we’ve been heading, lets take it… No more overpriced skill guys …

    • Tooks

      Boyle, sure, IF he wants to come here. Would be a solid vet to help the guys in pressure situations, right now we are depending on Phillips… Boyle is DEFINITELY an upgrade over Phillips.

      But Havlat? Would you bring back Leclaire? Sure, productive when healthy but when the hell is that?

      • ChampIsHere

        Sens were pretty healthy last year until the tail end of the season, maybe it’ll rub off on him.

    • A-Train

      Neither makes much sense. That said…I haven’t watched Boyle much lately so I’m not sure where his game is at right now. I do know the Senators really need a steady veteran on D who can still play top 4 pairing minutes.

    • whammer44

      Havlat will not be coming back here. Boyle could give the Sens the veteran presence in their top 4 that they sorely missed this year. A 2 year $8-9 million contract would help take pressure off the younger guys and hopefully allow them to develop with some veteran leadership.

      It doesn’t have to be Boyle but they need someone like that.

      Unfortunately Phillips cannot provide that role…but I digress.

    • Sandy

      Boyle in the 2nd pairing with Cowen would certainly help.
      Right now the really experienced players are Methot & Philllips and Phillips can’t play 2nd pairing anymore..
      It would mean probably trading Gryba & Wiercioch and keep Boro as the extra D to spell off Phillips..
      With Claesson just about ready.. he could move up to 3rd pairing with Ceci going with Cowen in another year or two.
      Question is.. does Boyle want to play on a re-building team? His parents would probably enjoy seeing him play at home to finish his career..

      • Jakester

        Cowen 2nd pairing – Geez Hope thats not the case!

        • s3nsfan

          cowen had a bad year, he’s a better defenceman than he played this year.

          • peetypuck

            If Ceci doesn’t regress I’d rather see him on the second line over Cowen. Cowen has to earn a promotion from the third pairing IMO.

          • s3nsfan

            fair enough, in an ideal world i’d like to see
            65-3
            2-5

          • peetypuck

            Unfortunately, we have to wait and see if Cowen completely heals from his hip surgery. If he doesn’t he’ll never be any more than a 6-7 d-man. That would be a big disappointment.

          • runningbear1974

            I think Ceci is strong enough player to cover Cowen’s stupid mistakes… From the moment Ceci joined the team he’s been covering Phillips’ mistakes… People are complimenting Phillips, when in reality, it’s Ceci that’s the special player…

        • Sandy

          The year he played with Gonchar on the 2nd pairing he was good.. He suffered still from the hip surgery last season.. I expect him to be better this season.. BUT he needs an experienced D partner to help him. That’s where Boyle comes in.
          What was one of the main problems this team had on D last season.. couldn’t clear the puck from the zone. Boyle helps with that..

      • runningbear1974

        If we replace Boyle with Phillips, then not so bad, because then Phillips is off the ice… But adding Boyle removes ice time to a player who is developing… And what exactly are we expecting from a veteran presence? Was Gonchar a success for us? Did he teach our young defense to play properly? Not exactly, that wasn’t the focus, the focus was on winning now, and so we lost development effort…
        Anyway, I’m against these band aid solutions… Please lets not sign some mediocre skilled player just so that we have a name we recognize…
        We need
        1) Consistent dependable players
        2) Players that step it up when the going gets tough

        • sprucesens

          yeah, I don’t see the idea behind paying boyle 4-5 million as a ufa. then what
          Methot-Karlsson
          Boyle-Ceci
          Phillips-Cowen, PW, Gryba, Boro, Claesson
          Too many D. And with Phillips and methot in the line up, we have no reason to get another vet D. Ideally, we should have upgraded Phillips to have a player like boyle, but it didn’t happen because of the signing. As it is we already have to trade a couple D for maybe a slightly better D, or package them with spezza, to get a better return. We can’t just sign boyle, then trade our young guys for picks to save on money, because then we’re empty in the D department in 1 or 2 years when boyle stops playing. Just not a great idea if you ask me

    • Rafi Bomb

      I agree with your overall sentiment. We need to avoid pure finesse players who lack grit, intensity and aren’t average to above average defensively. Havlat is a poor target as he is way too injury prone and there is no way that he will be willing to sign a contract to mitigate that risk.

      Boyle could possibly provide some good veteran presence. But overall we are better off trading for a guy like Byfuglien or Bieksa.

    • sprucesens

      agreed, neither is what we need. while boyle wouldn’t be a terrible option, we don’t have room. The team made their decision with Phillips, and as far as we know, they still like methot. So unless most of cowen, PW, Gryba, Boro, and maybe claesson are traded for picks or something else, there isn’t room for any UFA D’s right now

    • MethotToMyMadness

      I agree, the ship has long since sailed on Havlat. I think Boyle is also teetering on the end of a great career, ala Gonchar. Not that skilled guys can’t win games, they do, but it’s in the regular season where they flourish the most. We need guys who can translate that over into the playoffs, which is a different style of Hockey and we are seeing that even more this season. We need guys who have some slickness, but we also need those guys with intestinal fortitude. It’s crazy how it’s worked out in the last 5 or 6 seasons, but teams who don’t have those types of guys just don’t last till the end

  • esk

    lets get rid of spezza and then lets go get havlat and boyle loooooool smh.. cant wait for spezza to get traded, win cups and see everyone here cry. #hossa

    • Rafi Bomb

      Spezza isn’t going to win any cups unless he is put in a support role on a deep team.

      • Andrews theory

        AHHHH RAFI!
        LOL
        Forever unclean

        • Doc

          Swim Swim Stab!!

          • Rafi Bomb

            “Thinking is pointless, like motorcycle helmets”

        • Rafi Bomb

          “Let’s all get the same girl pregnant tonight”

      • esk

        what do you mean by support role? Usually that means playing on the 3rd or 4th line. If that’s the case i cant take that reply seriously. Spezza
        is still a point per game player during the season AND wait for it PLAYOFFS..His contract is coming up and market price is going to be 6-8 million….you dont pay that much for a 3rd or 4th line player. He is still a number 1 center in this league. I can see him playing a major role on the 2nd line. Spezza is only 31 yrs old. He is not on the decline and still has a few yrs of solid production left

        • sprucesens

          I think he meant, not as the main 1C. maybe more of a 1a 1b type of setup place, that we really have never done up until turris showed up. But I could be wrong

          • esk

            hopefully that’s what he meant lol

          • Rafi Bomb

            This. Spezza won’t be successful as “the guy”. He just isn’t that type of player.

        • Rafi Bomb

          Support as in not a primary player. There are support players in the top six as well as in the bottom six. I consider Spezza a support player for a myriad of reasons. First he lacks intensity and compete level, so he isn’t the type of player to leave it all out on the ice. Aside from that he struggles if he isn’t playing with very high end players. He also is very one dimensional so he needs to play with players that can compensate for his deficiencies.

          As I said before, his best chance to win a cup is on a very deep team in a support role. Put him on a 2nd line behind Getzlaf and Perry, and you will likely get the most use out of Spezza’s skill set.

  • Andrews theory

    Aren’t we over due to screw over the Islanders again?
    I smell another Yashin special!
    Strome please…

    • Millennium

      Trading Spezza “back” to the Islanders in return for the #5 overall pick and a stud prospect…. Seems kinda fitting and full circle.

      • s3nsfan

        and Garth snow is capable of such incompetence

    • sprucesens

      yeah, strome and next years first, cuz they might be last! lol.

  • Zelle

    Need Slovakia to win today to finally keep Canada at the top of roster A! Looks like Sweden and Russia will be the teams to beat. Russia added Malkin to their roster too, as if Ovechkin wasn’t enough.

  • Hax

    OT: Anyone know what a new sunroof costs? If that guy on TSN1200 saved enough on insurance in his first year to pay for a new sunroof that’s actually a pretty sweet deal. Unless he’s planning on getting a new sun roof every 6 months.

    • s3nsfan

      man if these are the types of convos going to be on these boards, we’re in for a long summer lol

  • sprucesens

    ….so, da costa hey!?? Back to topic, what do we think the sens should do with him, if he isn’t traded? My vote is 3C with competent wingers(not greening/condra/neil). I’d sign him to 2 year 1 way deal, with low dollars around .9mill and 1.2 maybe. thoughts? This doesn’t take into consideration trading him, or the return for spezza

    • Sandy

      Put him on a line with Hoffman and Stone. They are young an inexperienced.. but they will ‘grow’ together.. Did they play as a unit in Bingo?

      • sprucesens

        both ideas are good. I’m more with peety having stone with zib, but I’m fine with either. Basically want a first line, then 2a and 2b scoring lines. I think we basically need to try to acquire the top 6 LW in the trade for spezza, or a top 2-4 D to play with karlsson or ceci, which means D being packaged too, as we have way too many. I want to keep our 1st rounder next year at all costs though. I’d rather suck and have the pick having not brought in the right players, then to bring in the player, do mediocre to good, and not have the pick.

        • sprucesens

          so, the middle 6 should be:
          LW-Zib-stone
          Puempel-Dacosta-Hoffman.
          rearrange them any way you want. LW either UFA or traded from spezza deal. But this will leave an extra spot on the 4th line, with smith and neil, meaning one of condra or greening are gone too. probably ends up being no puempel, and both are on the team. oh well

    • peetypuck

      Da Costa should be given a shot at the #3 centre job next year with Hoffman on his wing. We have our first line and Zibby and Stone will probably be on the second. That leaves a space on LW for a proven top 6 player. Upgrading the bottom six isn’t that difficult. So what we really need is a 2nd line LW and a top-4 d-man. Spezza should be able to bring back one of those at the very least. If we want to keep our best prospects we could use our 2015 #1 draft pick to get the other player. That allows us to bring up Peumpel, Lazar, Claesson, etc when they are ready or needed.

  • Doc

    Chirp, not one to do this often, but I recommend everyone to go and take the time to read The 6th Sens latest post.

    A very good (long) read. Well worth it.

    • Sandy

      It was a good read and I agree with most of what he said.

      However, I don’t agree that Bobby Ryan is a one-dimensional player..

      Also.. Melnyk’s comment:

      “the revenues of the league are going very, very well, they’ve fixed all the problem franchises”
      He is wrong on that.. There still is one problem franchise and he runs it..

      • Doc

        His last paragraph is gold.

      • Zelle

        I am just at that part about Bobby and I wholeheartedly disagree with the idea that he’s bad without the puck. In fact he’s often in the right place defensively from what I’ve seen (on the Senators anyway).

        Doesn’t seem like he thinks much of Bobby.

        • sprucesens

          agreed, bobby is making hits and playing well defensively. I think its more an assumption if a 30 goal scorer who is relatively slow on his feet, is someone that is weak defensively. But so far on the sens, he’s been anything but.

        • Doc

          He didn’t say he’s bad without the puck, he said his underlying numbers aren’t that good (true) and that his offensive skills relies on shot percentage instead of shot volume (also true) which in the long run won’t hold up.

          Doesn’t mean he’s not a valuable player and that he cannot contribute in other ways to the team.

          • Zelle

            He said he’s a one dimensional player which to me means since he scores 30 goals that means he’s a goal scorer and nothing else. Meaning when he has the puck and scores goals that’s when he’s good, otherwise he’s not. From all the games I’ve seen him play in a Senators uniform I have to disagree strongly. I can’t say anything about when he played on the Ducks though I didn’t watch him and I hate relying just on numbers as they don’t tell the whole story.

    • esk

      “Spezza (the organization’s fall guy for the leadership void created by the organization dicking Daniel Alfredsson around in contract negotiations, eventually leading to his departure” Exactly.

      • Rafi Bomb

        Spezza was never Captain material. Murray rolled the dice because he knew that of Spezza, Phillips and Neil that Spezza would have the biggest opportunity for growth if named Captain. Spezza’s potential growth as a player would have had a bigger impact on the team than Phillips’s or Neil’s growth. Consequently Spezza failed to adapt his game while the team struggled. Spezza doesn’t fit the style of play that Maclean is trying to employ and considering that this team needs a shakeup, Spezza was one of the few players that could net a big return without having to move key young players and prospects.

        As for the Alfredsson negotiations, he wanted to be compensated for his pay cut in his previous year effectively expecting a salary of $6M+ . He simply wasn’t worth this amount and it would have been poor asset management to sign him to such a contract. Another variable that influenced these negotiations is that the amended CBA allowed for a “courting” period prior to a player officially becoming a UFA. That allowed Ken Holland and Mike Babcock to connect with Alfredsson and express their interest in bringing him on board. This provided Alfredsson with added leverage on his already inflexible negotiation stance. Murray was essentially stuck with the ultimatum of signing Alfredsson to a poor contract or letting him walk. Given the added pressure from Melnyk to be more cost effective there simply wasn’t an alternative available other then to let Alfredsson walk.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Anyone that claims Ryan is one dimensional has essentially voided all previous legitimate points

      • Doc

        You clearly didn’t read the whole thing if that’s what you think was said.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          I admit I didn’t… I may go back to it and finish it tomorrow, too Damn tired after the week

  • Aaron 2.0

    Well, with little to talk about on the Sens (at least little that is new), anyone care to offer up comments/thoughts on Lucic, and the hand-shake fiasco? Cheers.

    • Doc

      Meh.

      • Aaron 2.0

        Haha. Strong feelings then!

        • Doc

          I think most people disagree with when he said what he said, instead of what.

          I have no doubts that far worse things were said on the ice. I think that it caught people off guard because he said it during the handshake.

          For me, I feel Meh about the whole thing.

    • bluebuyyoo

      While not condoning what Lucic did, I am surprised that the Habs would tell the media what was said. In other situations, when the media has asked what was said between players, the player usually says that they were swapping BBQ recipes or some other such B.S..

      • esk

        weise said he didnt do that and would never…it was the media.

    • runningbear1974

      If you’re near Lucic, protect your balls…

      • jtf927

        lol.

    • A-Train

      Lucic isn’t the story. It’s the willingness of Canadiens players to talk about it afterwards that’s significant.

      Similar to the Joe Thornton locker room comment earlier in the season. Nothing is private any more.

      • Aaron 2.0

        I’m all for privacy of public figures. But, I’m not sure death threats usually qualify. Got to say, I’ve shaken hand with people countless times after sporting events. Some that had some chippy incidents. If someone says to me what Lucic said, it’s not staying private. In fact, it’s getting formally reported. Not sure what the Canadiens did about it. But, should all be reported to the PA.

  • esk

    is it me or does Clint Dempsey look like Zibby? wtf lol check out the 2nd row, 1st pic
    http://blog.foxsoccer.com/post/85851886502/world-cup-stickers-then-and-now-photos-of-stars-from?cmpid=tsmfb%3Afscom%3Afoxsoccer

    • sprucesens

      lol, yes he does. hopefully zib keeps his hair shorter though. nice find

  • Tim

    2 cents from Bingo…Da Costa has earned a 1 way and a chance. He was sent back down showed no disgruntled attitude and did what was asked. Incredible puck control and passing. And I would vote hard for a Hoffman/Da Costa/Stone line…3 guys wanting it, and working for the time and opportunity…
    People on this board always us the term “not in the plan(s)”..what does that mean? Winning is always the plan. And personally I could care less if it is a 1st round pick or an undrafted NCAA guy that helps my chances to win a cup…

    • Andrews theory

      Ya that’s a decent third line and I’m a big fan of DaCosta he looks ready.

      With that said, if that’s your third line, Turris,Mac and Ryan are line 1

      Who are the wingers playing with Zibby on line 2?

      • Harv

        One of them comes from the Spezza trade. I would stick Condra in there. He doesn’t have the finish but also doesn’t give away the farm. Live with Condra until someone steps up from Bingo. Smith? I think he is an option.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          God no to Condra on the second line… Maybe the fourth

        • Jakester

          Condra, holy crap, the guy is useless! Second line is a scoring line. Not a missing the net line! I would trade him or release him.

    • Harv

      I am voting for that third line. If they let DaCosta go, I really feel they are screwed up big time. The guy has done everything asked of him and clearly is a team player.

    • Sandy

      Tim, did DaCosta Hoffman & Stone play as a line in Bingo?

    • Jakester

      I agree that would be the perfect third line!

  • Simple Jack

    I’ll bet dactosta, spezza and anderson all stay on for next season, hemsky walks and we trade either cowen or gryba. any takers?

    • Jakester

      Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • Tooks

    Wow anyone watching the Mem Cup…Mantha is something else man, Makes a big defensive play and goes 200 ft to lead the rush and score on the power inside move.

    Announcer said he had 82 goals in 82 games so far this year (season, playoffs and Mem Cup?) If so holy fuck!

  • Tooks

    Wow anyone watching the Mem Cup? Mantha is something else man. People questioning his effort were just put rest. Makes a huge defensive play to go back 200 ft to score on a power inside move.

    Announcer said he had 82 goals in 82 games so far in 2013-14? If so, holy crap!

  • Tooks

    Chirp, whats the issue with the Mem Cup comment?

  • Tooks

    Wow anyone watching the Mem Cup? Mantha is something else man. People questioning his effort were just put rest. Makes a huge defensive play to go back 200 ft to score on a power inside move.

    Announcer said he had 82 goals in 82 games so far in 2013-14? If so, holy crap!

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Hey tooks lemme guess… Your watching the mem cup!

    • Tooks

      Yeah some power hungry admin or web geek keeps erasing my comment. Geez, just talking Mem Cup here.

    • Zelle

      …Should we tell him?

    • Tooks

      How can Tie Domi make such a good player. Max Domi is going to be a good fiesty player a la Gallagher but with more skill.

      • Rafi Bomb

        Domi is good friends with Mark Messier who apparently had a strong influence in Max’s development. Tie was very athletic so Max had the right quality of genetics and simply needed to have the right kind of skill development. Learning from Messier is probably one of the best routes to becoming a successful hockey player.

        • Tooks

          No kdding, didnt know Mark had influence on Max, kid is gonna be alright then!

          • Rafi Bomb

            If we trade Spezza to Phoenix he would be one of the pieces I would be looking for in return. He should be a good player overall and would be a nice addition to our prospect pool.

  • Tooks

    Well I guess we cant discuss the Mem Cup?

  • Sandy

    LA is good. The power moves by Carter & Williams on those goals show you the type of players the Sens need…

    • jtf927

      absolutely. this team is so good, it just boggles my mind when i watch them play. this is how we need to play.

      • Sandy

        Can LA beat Chicago?

        • jtf927

          good question. chicago is faster, but LA is a rougher team that completely blocks out the opposition. it will be a close and good series. no surprise that most of the players on those teams are Canadian. :)

          • aegiszx

            Chicago beat the Kings easily last year. Have no concerns they will go through LA again.

  • Deadly

    Broken stick penalty shot..wow

    • Sandy

      Yeah but it wasn’t Doughty who broke the stick. The stick was broken when Perry blocked a shot with it just before the break away. They showed it again.. and you can clearly see the stick break..

      • jtf927

        yeah. that was not doughty’s fault in the least. the stick was broken in the play that lead to perry’s breakaway.

      • Deadly

        Absolutely,Perry’s played it perfectly.

  • jtf927

    man, watching LA play. just wow. if BM is watching, this is how our
    team needs to be built. the kings are so defensively sound, they force
    so many turnovers, and then have guys to finish. i hope the sens can
    play like this next season.

  • jtf927

    anyone watching the IIHF and wishing we could somehow acquire hodgeson?

    • Sandy

      Saw it this morning.
      What a stupid.. stupid.. stupid trade for Vancouver…

      • jtf927

        lol. no kidding eh? i was thinking the same thing.

  • jtf927

    although they have not suggested that pittsburgh will move malkin, if they did, do you think they might look at spezza? also, what about a potential trade of:

    to pitts:
    spezza
    cowen
    andy

    to ott:
    sutter
    letang
    fleury

    • Deadly

      Why would any team want to trade for Fleury when he is more valuable playing for your opposition?

      • jtf927

        lol. that’s valid. pitts looks like it will shake things up this off-season. they might be interested in a bit of a blockbuster swap to shake up the team and identity.

        • peetypuck

          A lot of GM’s and coaches have been fired this spring. Their replacements are all going to want to make changes.

          • jtf927

            no kidding. it will be an interesting summer.

          • peetypuck

            It looks like Anaheim will want to make changes also.

          • Jakester

            Looks like they’re toast!

          • peetypuck

            Toasted and buttered. A new coach maybe?

          • jtf927

            i don’t think they will change the coach. team was quite young, and behind getzlaf and perry they did not have alot of offense. dcorp was nothing special either.

          • Sandy

            No Selanne and possibly no Koivu… they will be forced to.

    • Sandy

      I would take Sutter. Pitts can keep Letang and especially Fleury.

      • jtf927

        sutter and niskanen are ufa’s. BM should tender them some offers. imagine turris-zbad-sutter-smith down the middle, with a first pairing of karlsson-niskanen. i think fleury could benefit from a change of scenery, and might invigorate himself in ottawa.

  • Jakester

    It’s funny when we hear people say, Hell if we deal with St.Louis I want no part of Patrik Berglund? Not much I dislike about a 6-4 Swede who can play center or especially LEFTWING, a guy who is not scared of being physical, and who might thrive playing on a team that plays a more offensive game. If he is one of two pieces, I have no problem with him.

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JrV59An4hxI

    • peetypuck

      We certainly have a need for a big, 2nd line left winger.

      • Jakester

        I agree!

    • FistsofNeil25

      I’d take Berglund over Palmieri or Sbisa any day.

      • Jakester

        Dude, wasn’t saying yesterday that we should take Palmieri and Sbisa was just showing that they are better pieces than what most people were saying. Just crap like most of the pieces we already have is what some people were saying. Now To me that was incorrect, cuz we’ve hung on to a lot of worse crap the last few years!

        Now, Berglund , he would indeed be a nice player to have.

  • Jakester

    Wow beauty of a goal by Perry, Getzlaf what a pass.

  • Captain Karl

    Spezza, Cowen and Prince to Phoenix for OEL +1st 2015
    Smith, Greening and Gryba to Philly for Simmonds
    Sign Iginla and Komorov as FA

    MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
    Simmonds-Zibby-Iginla
    Hoffman-Dacosta-Stone
    Komorov-Pageau-Neil
    Condra

    Karlsson-Methot
    Ceci- Oel
    Weircoch-Borowecki
    Phillips

    • sprucesens

      iggy won’t sign here, and i doubt we would have anything to do with a russian 4th liner. Seems like a steep price for OEL, but that’s what it would take. Still don’t think phoenix would risk that trade scenario by losing a franchise D

    • Sandy

      Sens won’t be trading Zack Smith.
      OEL is untouchable..
      Simmonds is most likely untouchable

    • WaitingSince92

      Iginla? Are you attempting to be funny? He wants to stay in Boston. If he can’t get the $ he wants in Boston, he’ll go to another competitor where he CAN.

    • whammer44

      Wishful thinking on the trades…but Komarov would be a great 4th line pick up.

  • sprucesens

    lazar plays today at 4 ET. Should be a good game. Might stream it outside on the patio and have a few drinks and get some sun!

    • Sandy

      Looks like the Leafs have a really good goalie prospect Bibeau that had a shutout yesterday stopping 51 shots..

  • Spoons

    St-Louis might be a team willing to slightly over-pay in order to get to serious Stanley Cup contention. If they can’t sign Miller then:

    Spezza + Anderson + DaCosta
    for
    Berglund + Schwartz + 1st round pick

    I don’t see St-Louis giving up on ANY of their top-4 D-men. This trade I would love! We’d still need to address our D and Lehner’s backup though.

    • sprucesens

      i think i would want 1 more piece there, as all of a sudden we have a glaring hole at C with only lazar as the next up and coming one. With spezza and da costa traded, we’d need a good C coming back

      • WaitingSince92

        Glaring hole? You mean Turris, Zibanejad, Berglund, Smith, Pageau and Lazar?

        You’re not going to get a #1 center back for Spezza – or else what’s the point of the trade, especially for the other team???

      • FistsofNeil25

        We’re getting back Schwartz in that proposed deal and you still want more? Schwartz just scored 25 goals and 56 points as a 21 year old in his second year of professional hockey. He had the top plus minus out of any St Louis player. He’s arguably has the most trade value in that deal. Even more than Spezza.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Schwartz won’t be coming back in a Spezza deal. He’s probably their most untouchable forward.

    • Jakester

      Throw Cowen into the trade too!

  • A-Train

    Just had a eureka moment. Melnyk is Tookie.

    Eugene Melnyk ‏@MelnykEugene 36m
    As a Canadian – how can you not root for the Habs! Still, should be a great series! Enjoy it!

  • Sandy

    I want to congratulate Teemu Selanne on what was a great career.. One of the few true gentlemen to play in the NHL. Kudos to the Kings for showing their appreciation for Teemu after the game..
    Meanwhile.. Let’s go Rangers. They are up 2-0 in the first period.

  • SensFanInMTL
  • Sandy

    Too many men on the ice for the Habs.. none of the 4 officials saw it.. Results in a goal for the Habs. Nice going officials..

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    So apparently a whopping 25 people showed up at the rsu rally… Bunch of idiots should stop embarrassing the fanbase

    • Sandy

      I’m not going to ridicule anyone for doing something they are passionate about..

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Apparently my numbers were off… Score guys counted 15 at the peak.

        • whammer44

          Thats about 14 more than I expected.

          • Jakester

            They held it at a bus stop so the numbers are inflated a little.

    • aegiszx

      Lol wtf… Cant believe this actually happened…

    • Jakester

      Sheesh.

  • Captain Karl

    Look I am no Habs fan (my wife is) but at the same time I can certainly associate with the crap that fans of all Canadian teams (except Toronto) have to put up with in regards to Hockey Night in Canada. These idiots are supposed to be our national broadcaster and all they could talk about since the start of the game is New York. Good riddance to HNIC and idiots like Glenn Healey

    • Sandy

      That’s why I’m watching NBC. So much more class and professionalism and they know what they talk about.

      Doc Emrick is the best there is in the NHL right now..
      CBC is a joke.
      Loving this game.. 6-1 now.. Price out of the net in favour of Budai..
      Too bad about Brassard.. He had been playing so well. Hope he’s not seriously hurt.
      As I write this.. 7-1.

    • Harv

      Recommend a PVR. You can fast forward those bozo’s. Also, like NBC.

  • Captain Karl

    And now Prust joins the anti-balls club. What is it with players this year trying to stop each other from procreating

  • Deadly

    For golf fans,Mike Weir is 1 stroke back at the Byron Nelson.

  • Sandy

    Now on Sportsnet.. Curtis Lazar vs Ben Harpur… Go Oil Kings..

  • Sandy

    Guelph & Edmonton have never played each other and they play like they hate each other…

  • Sandy

    What a pass by Lazar on that 2nd goal..

  • WaitingSince92

    Seeing as everyone else has departed from the initial topic, I was wondering why I haven’t seen Minnesota’s name in the Spezza rumour mill (aside from maybe a poster or two on Senschirp). They could use his help down the middle, they are looking to push for the 3rd and 4th rounds sooner rather than later and they have a few young talents with high potential. They have the cap space and have been known to bring in high end talent (although Parise/Suter were UFAs).

    • Sandy

      Don’t think they need Spezza in Minny with the young players they have coming in..
      IMO he goes to St Louis to replace Derek Roy or to Anaheim to replace Selanne and Koivu..

    • Zelle

      Spezza for Cooke straight up.

      EDIT: I forgot to add my rationalization.
      Who needs a GPG player when you can just injure the opponent’s star scorers? :D

      • Sandy

        True…

    • Jakester

      Yes, but they plan on signing Vanek to a long contract at 7 million per. Will they still have room after that????

    • esk

      good point..i would want niederreiter and brodin lol

  • spoons

    i’m surprised Winnipeg isn’t involved, I suppose they are still building up their team but unless they sign Jokinen again or sign someone else they are stuck with Little and… Scheifle at centre? Would be interested in a package involving Bogosian or Bufgylian

    • Hax

      I’d be shocked if Winnipeg wasn’t on Spezza’s No-F’n-Way list.

  • ProfessorPower

    it we trade with ducks id ask for Etem + DVP + 1st(Ducks or Ottawas)
    Still want to trade for Chris Stewart, and possibly sign Dan Boye

    Mac-urris-Ryan
    Etem-Zibby-Stone
    DVP-Lazar-Stewart
    Greening-Smith-Neil

  • sprucesens

    the more i’ve watched the oil kings, the more i hope we are watching them for draft time. Really like edgars kulda, and luke bertolucci. From what i can tell, kulda was passed over in the last draft, but is still eligible. Haven’t looked into bertolucci. Kulda is a LW scorer and out of the 10 or so games i’ve seen, has been 2nd or 3rd best player on the ice, sometimes the best. And thats not taking into account home town bias towards lazar. Bertolucci is just a speedster, but is quite small. Reminds me of hoffman though with his speed and he seems to be finding a scoring touch.

    • sprucesens

      just checked css rankings. Kulda is on there at about 145, pollock another top edmonton player at 35. Kulda could be a steal in the 3rd or so round.

      • Sandy

        I don’t think the Sens have a 3rd round pick this season.. it went along with a 5th to Edmonton for Hemsky..

    • Jakester

      I agree there are some skilled guys on that team. I think they will avenge their loss to Guelph and win this thing.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    So I read online that 25 people showed up to the Spezza rally. That’s a pretty poor turn out. I was considering making it down, until Mommy made plans and I was left with my Daughter and Son for the day, needless to say, it wasn’t happening.

    • BeJamin

      It was horribly planned. I refused to attend outright because of the nonsense from the organizers. They even had spelling mistakes in their damn posters. Pathetic effort. Everyone at HF boards gave them a TON of good ideas and pointers and they just ignored them all. Good for the people who showed up, shame on the retarded organizers.

      • Sandy

        They should have just had a gathering at The Senate to support him. Having it on the Hill.. even if the 100 that were supposed to go.. did.. it would still look like a small turnout..

  • Jakester

    THE Eklund Rumor of the Day! Lol

    Talked to a VERY strong source of mine (his armpit) this weekend and was told the Predators are seriously interested in making a play for Jason Spezza at the upcoming draft in Philadelphia. The source, who has been very right regarding past Pred rumors, said that while there will be more than one team bidding to acquire Spezza the Preds believe they have “the pieces the Sens are looking for and Nashville is willing to use those chips.” The Senators wanted several pieces including a top pairing D-man.

    This also points towards the growing belief that the Preds and Laviolette will be gearing up on scoring and looking to create a more entertaining brand of hockey. I will have more on this for certain, and I am quite sure several teams will throw their hat into this ring before all is said and done.

    • Hax

      Eklund is more interesting when he actually makes up stuff instead of two paragraphs of nothing. In other, similar news:

      Several people are considering firing up the BBQ this evening.

      • Jakester

        I was one of them we just had steaks!

      • do due dew doodoo

        LMAO

    • WaitingSince92

      “The source, who has been very right…”

      Classic. Trust me guys; this source is solid. He’s so solid he’s VERY right, not just “right”.

      • Jakester

        He’s the worst source.

    • Sandy

      Looking at the Preds lineup and their prospects not sure there is really much there.
      Most of their top forwards have NTC and Josi would probably be the only D that’s any good.. that would be available.
      They pick 11th in a weak draft.. so the 2014 first round pick isn’t really worth much.
      I hope this is not the way Murray goes.. The return would not be very good..
      Travis Yost had a good article today on the 2nd line (Spezza, Michalek, Hemsky) all gone. He looks at how that 2nd line will look next season.
      I don’t know how Murray expects this team to get into the playoffs if he can’t get a valid, experienced 2nd line centre (leaving Zibby @ 3rd line centre for another year or so) and at least one experienced top 6 forward.
      You want to put young players in a position to succeed.. not a position to fail like they did with Cowen last season..

      • Jakester

        Ellis looks pretty solid, can’t have too many puck movers. Forsberg and Eliis would be nice.

      • sprucesens

        Ellis, josi, jones, weber. Forsberg. I assume jones and weber are untouchable. Take 1 D, preferably the 2way guy in josi, and forsberg. If we can get a first while adding a lower d or 2 because we have too many, and they might want someone to fill the vacant spot, great!

  • Sensturion

    Price done for the series! Hopefully the Rangers don’t drop the ball against Budaj!

    • Jakester

      Tokarski

      • Tooks

        Series pretty much over with Tokarski in nets…Sure they got some jump no at home but wait in NY. Habs MUST win game 2, NY dont need to. Habs playing desperate hockey and they need it to win.

  • BeJamin

    I’m actually so mad Price is hurt… now Montreal will have the big excuse when they lose a series they were going to lose anyway. The only difference is now it will probably be a sweep. Either way, at least they have to eat crow. They all said it was no big deal when Bishop couldn’t play for the Lightning. I.E. a huge reason they escaped the first round. Time to review all those comments about how a team has to overcome injuries from Habs fans and how it’s not an excuse.

  • Sensturion

    Yesterday the Habs players were saying Kreider falling into Price was an accident, shit happens. Now that Price is out, they’re demanding Kreider’s head hahahahaha

    • Jakester

      Kreider also the guy who injured Andy last year.

      • Sensturion

        Methot was the one who threw Kreider into him last year, if I remember correctly.

        • Zelle

          Pushed his skate. Kreider was on a bit of a collision course anyway, but it gets tricky right. Sure if Methot never interferes, then Kreider probably could have skated out of the way, but why would a defensemen just let a forward skate through and have full access to a goaltender?

          • Millennium

            By the same measure, why would the Forward let up on a scoring chance if the D man isn’t going to let up on a defending change? Its nobody’s fault, just two forces colliding and someone ends up hurt. Its just the natural risk of playing hard hockey.

          • Zelle

            Yeah exactly, I’m not saying the forward should let up, but the
            defenseman shouldn’t either. So that’s why it’s tricky. In the end the
            best thing would be to stop players like Kreider from reaching that
            point to begin with lol

          • Tooks

            Kreider is also a very fast skater, so when going full speed and someone nicks your skates, ya its going to be a collision.

          • Jakester

            He was on a path to take him out, he would’ve killed him if Methot hadn’t nicked him. How would he have avoided Andy, tell me, look at it a few times. He almost killed Fleury earlier this year too.

          • Jakester

            Not that I care about Price cuz I have 20 beans a game with 2 guys in this series. Go. Rangers.

        • Jakester

          http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HDrnOO-NxW8

          Watch, Methot barely touches his skates and this guy is a few feet from Andy on the inside of the play?? Where was he going? He also wiped out Fleury this year! But I guess you’re right, Sens won’t trade Spezz either I guess.

    • Sandy
  • MethotToMyMadness

    Looking at the Cullen prediction again, the idea of Mikhail Grabovski isn’t far off. If Spezza is gone (which most expect) and we don’t get a C in return and SDC isn’t signed, which are all possibilities, something needs to happen.

    Ottawa will need to decide on 1 of three things. Either JGP is brought up full time. Lazar Impresses in camp and plays beyond the opening 10 games snagging a spot, or we sign a C with experience. If it’s the 3rd option, Grabo is one of the more high energy style of players out there who comes at a price Ottawa could digest. Not to bad for a 3 time 20 goal scorer.

    • peety puck

      Plus, he would get to play against the Laffs six times.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        Yeah, that is true. You can also add in the mix, he gets to play the Team that drafted him 6 times as well, Montreal. If I recall, he always played well against them.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Actually, what are the odds that Toronto signs Bolland? Or that Legwand continues in Detroit? Out of all the available UFA C’s, these guys have the most playoff experience and I would think that is something that would interest the Sens. I’m surprised that Bolland is only 27, I figured he was older than that.

      • Zelle

        Based on some of the interviews Bolland gave I don’t think he is interested in staying with the Leafs. Might be an opportunity there for the Sens.

        • Sandy

          Bolland was on the Memorial Cup broadcast intermission last night and said he wants to stay with the Leafs..

          • Zelle

            Oh I didn’t see that interview. Just the ones he gave after the season was over.

      • whammer44

        rumour had it that Bolland wants $5 million/year…so I would pass if thats the case.

        • MethotToMyMadness

          Damn, I agree!

  • MethotToMyMadness

    On another note, In today’s game France beat Denmark 6-2. Da Costa had two goals and two assists. I think this tournament is the perfect showcase Da Costa was looking for. The win gives France a spot in the quarter-finals.

    • Zelle

      I’m really happy for the kid. I love to see hard work/determination pay off. I’ll be shocked if the club doesn’t take a strong look at him for next season.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        Me too, I really do think he deserves a lot of consideration. If the Sens could get him under contract for at least 2 years at a very reasonable price, they should pull the trigger. 2 years is long enough to prove to the organisation he can be consistent and worthy of an extension.

        • Millennium

          One way or the other, the guy needs a full season of NHL minutes, none of the yo-yo recall garbage. Let him show what he can do, make or break time. I think he could work on the Sens if Maclean returns to sanity next season.

          • MethotToMyMadness

            I fully agree, give him a shot this year and see how he does. He’s earned it.

  • aegiszx

    The Blues officially re-sign Elliot… Cant believe the terrible playoff lucky they’ve had. Elliot, Halak, Miller… Just like we threw Lehner to the wolves, I guess the Blues feel that Jake Allen is ready for the NHL now. Now where does Ryan Miller go…?

    • Sandy

      Do you really think the Blues could go to a Cup final with Elliott as their goaltender? He has had good years in the regular season playing behind a stellar Blues blueline.. but in the playoffs, when the pressure is higher he isn’t so good…

      • MethotToMyMadness

        Elliot was singed to be the backup, who can play bigger minutes when needed. He’s probably one of the best backups in the league at this point, at least statistically since he arrived in St. Louis, but who wouldn’t be with that team in front of them. Even in Ottawa though, Elliot had a decent roll, I just wish we didn’t overplay him so early on.

        The real question, does St. Louis hand the keys over to Allen, is he ready? Or will they do what they did with Elliot and Halak, and just ride the hot hand? I think they could go completely left field and sign a UFA. This is why the idea of not offering Miller a job just doesn’t sound right. It almost makes me think it’s a story they made up, so other teams would think they aren’t interested, hoping his price stays low.

    • whammer44

      I could see a match with the Sharks. He may take a discount to play on the left coast as his wife is an actress.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      I didn’t know if St. Louis intended to keep Miller, much of it probably riding on his performance, but they moved a lot in order to get him for this years run so everyone was questioning it. Either way, Miller will be looking to test the water and trying his hardest to get a location he wants to play in. I think there is still a big market for his services, I just don’t think teams will want to spend the money he’ll be demanding. It’ll be interesting to see what happens.

  • luckan20

    St. Louis also hinted that they need to improve their offense. Bryan can truly swing a good deal with St. Louis and make it a multi-player deal.
    Something like Spezza, Wiercioch, rights of MIchalek or Hemsky and our 4th in 2014 for
    Roman Polak, Patirck Berglund, Paajarvi and 2014 top pick. Sign Berglund for 4 years at $4-4.5M cap hit.

    Make our 3rd line as all Swedes Paarjavi – Zibby – Berglund.
    Sign Garbovski to play with MacArthur and Hoffman; Turris to play with Ryan and Stone

    • Jakester

      That would be nice, Paajarvi and Berglund both left hand shots. Maybe Berglund-Zibby-Stone and Paajarvi on line 3

    • Jakester

      Oh ok I see what you did there.

    • Jakester

      Rather give the 3rd C to DaCosta , leave Grabo for someone else.

    • Sandy

      Paarjavi looks like he was a ‘flash in the pan’. He really has done nothing to warrant trading for him…
      Ryan-Turris-McArthur should stay as a line..
      No matter what happens on the forward side.. if the defense stays the same.. then it’s the same problem as last season..

      • Jakester

        The exact same defence for some reason 2 years ago gave up the Least amount of goals in 48 game season. Now what was different. I don’t think the D isn’t the main concern. Good solid two way play with lots of back pressure from the forwards will solve our problems!

        • Sandy

          No Gonchar last season and no decent replacement to help on the 2nd pairing. That made a big difference. Corvo was not the answer.. but he came cheap.. That’s the only reason they signed him.. it fit in under the budget..

          • Jakester

            Not having Gonchar wasn’t the reason we sucked this year. He was a pylon by the end of our playoff run.

          • Senatollah

            which other UFA did you want the Sens to sign instead of taking a gamble on Corvo? He still put up points, just seemed to lose the plot mentally

  • jtf927

    alot of reports are indicating that nashville is very interested in spezza, and that new coach laviollette wants to play a more uptempo game. do you think it would be a stretch if nashville offered one of weber or del zoto as part of a package deal? nashville has alot of money locked up in the defense, and they will need a few more forwards if they want to score goals. i was thinking something like

    to ott:
    shea weber
    nashville’s 1st 2014

    to nash:
    spezza
    cowen
    ottawa’s 1st 2015

    • WaitingSince92

      To answer your question, yes if it’s Weber, not at all if it’s Del Zotto – he’s not that big a commodity. As for your trade, wouldn’t want to give up our 1st in such a strong draft.

    • Sensturion

      I’d wager Weber, with his booming shot and hitting ability, is part of Violet’s up tempo game plan.

      • jtf927

        this is valid. but, given that so much money is locked up in there dcorp, and they will soon have to sign jones. if they want to start scoring more, they will have to shift from a defensive minded team, to an offensive. guys like cullen, stalberg, and wilson have not gotten the job done. they will need to trade away some of those players and acquire some proven point producers.

        • peetypuck

          On most teams Stalberg and Wilson would be 3rd liners and Cullen is getting too old.

    • Tooks

      You just answered your own question by saying uptempo and Spezza…no

      • Deadly

        Not to mention what Webers salary would do to Melnyks health. It would give him a heart attack and really blow up the teams salary structure.

    • Jakester

      That won’t get it done, and I wouldn’t want him. That salary is ridiculous, if I was Nashville I would trade him to a dummy(GM) that will give up big assets for him.

    • peety puck

      I wonder if that rumour started from a Nashville blogger named Lorn_SC (on the forecheck-SBNation) who was musing about whether the Preds should try to aquire Spezza. He didn’t think they should give up more than 1/ 2nd round pick 2014 2/ 3rd round pick 2015 3/ Colin Wilson. He was very against trading Roman Josi for Spezza.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Omg a whole lot of absolutely not. We give up Spezza and a significantly better pick next year to get Weber and a pick this year.

      People need to stop caring that we do not have a 1st this year….it will not be a big deal.

      • jtf927

        having a 1st is not pivotal, we have a lot of organizational deph. but, if we can get one, then why not? just more building pieces for the future.

        • Sandy

          Not having a first (unless a top 3 or 5) doesn’t really matter this season.
          I don’t know why Bryan Murray would be so desperate to get a first round pick this season.. in a weak draft.

          • jtf927

            valid, but it’s hard to say how players will turn out. if we select a player and develop him well, who’s to say he could not become a contributor?

    • Phoenix

      And “NO”, Love to have Weber but that is a crazy contract. Nashville would need to eat some coin. Not a fan of giving up a 1st, let along the 2015 pick. If Nashville is in the game for Spezza you have to think that Murray would be interested in some form of a package that could include Austin Watson, their 1st in 2015, Filip Forsberg. If Murray goes bigger as mentioned Weber would be a nice addition and would bring that leadership the team would need but its a big contract so I would think at least a million a year would need to get eaten by Nashville…Maybe it would be their way of say thanks for going easy on the Fisher deal…lol

    • runningbear1974

      If Nashville can eat up 6 million a year for the next 4 years on the Weber contract, then that would be a great deal… We should avoid trading our 1st round picks… And we should try and acquire more… Have you noticed how well we draft? Karlsson, Ceci, Zibanejad, Lazar….

      • MethotToMyMadness

        I agree, in NO WAY does Ottawa move Spezza and also move a 1st rounder. It’s not going to happen, that would just be backwards!

    • sens88

      Ottawa should definitely do this trade if it was ever available, but Nashville would never take it. Weber is worth more than Cowan/Spezza and a pick

    • Tooks

      Gonna be extremely hard to do with Melnyk in town. Would I want Weber, HELL YES but that salary is going to crush any hopes, plus I doubt he wants to come to Ottawa if at all he decides to move on.

      • FistsofNeil25

        He doesn’t have a NTC or NMC. He can be traded to any of the 29 others in the league.

        Can’t see any scenario where Nashville trades him though, especially not for Spezza and Cowen lol they can do better than that.

  • Richard Gough

    Murray need to decide what direction he want this team to go. does he want to compete in the play off or go get that a top five pick ?

    You ask me , I don’t think there is any one that is a ufa this summer that will help this team be a play off team saying that Murray should plug that hole on defence and center with the Spezza trade then start giveing full time minutes to Hoffman and Stone and possible Lazar and see where things go from their.

  • Zelle

    My favorite comment on HF board so far: “Yeah, Montreal’s gonna need to have to outscore New York to win this series.”

    • peety puck

      Captain Obvious must have said that. hehe

      • Zelle

        Sadly it was part of a bigger paragraph and seemed to be serious lol I’m thinking he meant outshoot? But still, hilarious xD

        • peetypuck

          At least nobody can argue with that statement-lol- but laugh at it, yes.

  • Zelle

    I love Lundqvist, totally deserves a cup and you can tell he wants it. Come on Rangers! Hawks v Rangers could be a good series.

  • Deadly

    N’ole,n’ole,n’ole….kinda quiet tonight at the Bell Centre tonight…priceless.

    • jtf927

      works on so many levels. nice. :)

  • MethotToMyMadness

    5 days since the last post, I think Chirp has officially went on vacation, lol. With little to no Sens news, it’s a good time to be away.

    Rangers did well against the quick Montreal start last night. I think everyone expected them to come exploding out of the gates, and they did. They even managed the 1st goal, but man oh man… the tie up goal 17 seconds later, just killed any momentum they built. That was the true end of the game, Montreal just didn’t have any legs after that. It wasn’t until the 3rd period when down 3-1 they started pushing again, but they just couldn’t solve King Henrik. This Rangers team looks much more dangerous than the Rangers we faced the last 2 years. They just seem to have found the groove and I think they’ll make the Final very interesting.

    • SensChirp

      Ha. I was away for the long weekend. Back now but honestly have no idea what to write about. The off season is here, folks.

      • Max Power

        Its finally time… tell us what happened with Fratelli’s

    • Tooks

      Well I’m sure the emergence of Kreider, Hagelin, Zuccarrello has something to do with that. When we played them those guys were not even on the radar.

      Also adding St.Louis for the playoffs really helped.

      • FistsofNeil25

        They also didn’t have Nash or St Louis. McDonagh wasn’t the top defenseman he is now.

        Oh ya and they still had Torts.

  • FistsofNeil25

    The more I think about it, the more I believe we’re all going to be extremely underwhelmed with the return Spezza nets us in a trade. A lot of Sens fans really over value him as a trade piece. I don’t know how many times I’ve heard him referred to as a point-per-game first line center. I agree that he is still a first line center, but point per game? I’m not so sure. Do Sens fans realize he’s only been at a PPG or better once in the past 6 seasons? ( not including the 5 games he played last year)

    2013/2014: 75 GP 23 G 42 A 66 PTS -26

    2012/2013: 5 GP 2 G 3 A 5 PTS +5

    2011/2012: 80 GP 34 G 50 A 84 PTS +11

    2010/2011: 62 GP 21 G 36 A 57 PTS -7

    2009/2010: 60 GP 23 G 34 A 57 PTS

    2008/2009: 82 GP 32 G 41 A 73 PTS -14

    So yeah, still very good production, but not a point per game player. Those numbers also demonstrate how much he has struggled to stay healthy. He missed 7 games this season which isn’t a lot, but anyone who watched the first half of the games knows he was struggled to get back to 100? after missing 43 games last year. He also missed 20 and 22 games in 2010/2011 and 2009/2010 respectively.

    Teams aren’t going to ignore these numbers when negotiating a trade for him. They aren’t going to ignore the fact that he has one-year remaining on his contract, and that we are the team trying to unload him.

    Sure there will be plenty of teams interested in adding Spezza to their roster, but they aren’t going to be desperate to trade for him. I don’t think there will be many, if any teams looking to add Spezza at any cost. If Murray sets his asking price too high, most teams will likely back off.

    • runningbear1974

      I would be happy with a high first round pick and a roster player… 2 Firsts… 1 First and 2 second round picks…
      I’m enjoying watching our team develop… I love the new sens… I’m tired of cheering for the old sens…
      1) We need to wait for our defense to mature
      2) We need Puemple and Lazar, and that will take a couple of years…

      • Tooks

        We also need McDavid…

        • FistsofNeil25

          Right now finishing in the basement nest season feels like our only hope of building this team into a contender. It would also teach Eugene a lesson that you can’t find success on a budget.

          • peetypuck

            I just looked back at this years standings. Buffalo seems to be the only competition to finish last next year. Florida wants to make the playoffs. The Isanders and Oilers have too many good players to finish at the bottom. It depends on what Calgary does this summer on how they finish. If Spezza and Anderson were traded and replaced by picks or prospects they would likely fall into the bottom five.

        • runningbear1974

          We don’t “need” anything… Murray has us in a position where we have all sorts of good players coming in… If anything we could use some wingers… Hoffman, Stone, Puemple… We have a bunch of centers… We have boro and claesson coming up… We have goalies…
          We’re starting to build a deep team… It would be nice to get a high quality player, but we don’t “need” it… We’ll be fine as is…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Will your opinion of Bobby Ryan change when he gets his inevitable 7 million dollar per year contract?

          • runningbear1974

            If he’s consistent and steps it up against tough competition… Then i will be very happy with him… Ryan does everything out there…
            Ryan can play with Turris and make that a 1st line… Ryan is a special player, it would have been nice to see how he plays in the playoffs…
            I already like Ryan better than those other guys because he does everything including hit, and take hits to make plays…

    • Deadly

      Addition by subtraction,if we get players willing to play hard,forecheck ,back check and skate without circling backwards after entering the offensive zone I will be happy.Throw in a draft choice that Murray’s group is usually able to convert to an asset that would be fine.

      • runningbear1974

        Our system is backwards when a 1 million dollar guy works harder than a 7 million dollar guy… Seems like 7 million dollars kills the ambition in a player…

        • FistsofNeil25

          If the 1 million dollar guy doesn’t work hard he won’t have a job. You need those 6 or 7 million dollar guys on your team, but if you want to be successful they have to be your best players every night.

          I don’t know where we’re ever going to find the top end talent to contend with.

          • runningbear1974

            Puemple and Lazar are coming… We have to wait…

            The way we draft players, i think we should expect a couple of solid pieces that we’re not aware of yet…

            I don’t want a top heavy team… I prefer a bunch of 4-5 million dollar guys to 7 million dollar guys… That way you don’t depend on a player… (I’ve been disappointed by every single 7 million dollar guy on our team) Not worth the money in my books… I wasn’t cheering for those guys..

            I felt when we signed Spezza, Heatley and Alfie that we had to sign them at 7 million each long term or we would lose them… That was my feeling, we got screwed by that decision, didn’t allow for other options… If you have 2 7million dollar guys, and one plays like shit, that’s terrible, whereas if you have 3 5million dollar guys and one is playing like shit, it’s less costly…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Puempel and Lazar are really nice prospects but they don’t project to have top line potential. I don’t agree with having a top heavy team either but there’s no denying that you need to end offensive talent to contend in the NHL. You need the Datsyuk and Zetterbergs, Crosby and Malkin, Toews and Kane, Getzlaf and Perry, Kopitar and Carter etc

            You can have a competitive team without top end players but you can’t get over the hump and hoist the cup without them. It’s extremely rare.

            PS – You do realize Alfie never had a higher cap hit than $4875000 with the Sens right? He wasn’t a 7 million dollar guy like Heatley and Spezza.

          • runningbear1974

            I thought he got 7 million a year as well… Oops…

            Boston doesn’t have top talent and are a very solid team… So it can be done… The thing is every team thinks they need a 1st line center and so that’s why they do it… That’s not necessarily the case… Montreal is doing really well with small skilled centers… With solid defense and good goaltending then you have options…

            The old New Jersey didn’t have top #1 centers and won the cup a bunch of times… Detroit won the cup without a #1 goalie, so has Chicago…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Boston and New Jersey won the cup because they were smothering defensive hockey teams. They didn’t need the top end offensive players. Those are two examples of teams that did have won the cup in the the last 20 years without top end offensive players

            Colorado were led by Sakic and Forsberg. Detroit had Yzerman, Federov, Shanahan, Hull, Robitaille, Datsyuk, Zetterberg. Tampa had Lecavalier, St Louis, Richards, Stillman. Carolina had Staal, Stillman, etc. The list goes on.

            It’s very rare to win a championship with top end offensive talent. So unless we’re trying to build a team like New Jersey and Boston (which we aren’t) then we need to find a way to acquire a couple star forwards.

          • runningbear1974

            I think we would do better getting a guy like Gionta rather than getting a guy like Kovalev…

            We’re not even a solid team yet, so thinking of winning the cup is a bit premature… Lets first build a solid team and solid organization, then from that position we’ll be able to make moves towards winning the cup…

          • Tooks

            NJ and BOS are the rare examples, you want us to be a rare example? I would much rather be the PITTS or CHI or L.A, DET of the world, teams with high Cap and elite players.

            It might not be possible in the Melnyk era tho… :(

          • runningbear1974

            New Jersey won several cups… That’s the model we should follow… Put our money on defense and in the goalies… And not on the #1 centers…

          • Tooks

            NJ won in a different Era man, clutch and grab and slow down the game. Cant do that anymore, why do you think NJ’s system has taken a nosedive. Sorry but I dont want a trap team, if we ever become a trap team, I wont attend anymore games.

            .

          • runningbear1974

            I agree different era and i also don’t want a trap team… But i do want us to put our money towards the defense and towards the goalie with respect to skill… That’s where you get better return for your dollar…

          • Tooks

            100%
            Its nice to have a team full ofgreat 2nd liners and 3rd liner but in the end you need those top end players to win the Cup. Like FoN25 said above, we had those players when we got to the Cup and its because of those players we got there.

            We let them all go and now are rebuilding and going the wrong way IMO, unless 1-2 of our prospects turn out to be elite, we are going to have a very long playoff drought.

            Even our best, highly touted prospect Lazar doesnt even project to be an elite player in the NHL. And IF anyone has watched the Mem Cup, he isnt exactly lighting it up or impressed anyone.

          • runningbear1974

            I don’t agree with you… I think if we had a team full of 2nd liners, we’d have a cup contending team…
            We need to have a team that will support development… It will take a bit of time… Lazar won’t come in and light it up… It will take him several years, similarly to Turris… But, myself, i’m enjoying every moment of it… I can support a team that is growing…

            I can’t support a team with entitled superstars… Spezza, Kovalev… No thank you… Maybe later on in our development, we’ll want to temporarily add a piece… But we certainly don’t want those guys to provide the developmental support… They’re entitled, they do whatever they want, they make the coach look bad, they blame the other players…

          • Tooks

            When has Spezza ever blamed other players, lol, or made the coach look bad? Clouston wasnt an NHL coach.

          • peetypuck

            The only way to get the top end talent in the NHL is to tank for a couple of years. That’s how Pittsburgh, Chicago, LA, Colorado got theirs. Unfortunately, we don’t want to take the time to properly rebuild.

          • runningbear1974

            Not necessarily… We draft really well.. I think Boston got Bergeron in the 2nd round… Subban in the 2nd round… St-Louis not drafted… So, it can be done… Draft well… Develop well…

          • peetypuck

            Bryan Murray is one of the best at finding gems farther back in the draft order but even he can’t come up with a superstar every year. Most of the time they just aren’t there after the first top-5 picks or a late round sleeper finds his game well after his draft age.
            Take Muckler, he couldn’t draft a great player if his life depended on it. Brian Lee over Mark Staal? The best player that he ever drafted was Nick Foligno.
            Over twenty years we have drafted two later picks that have been phenomenal players, Alfie and EK65.

          • runningbear1974

            The problem with superstars is they cost a lot of money…

            So, 10 million dollars for a 100 point guy… Or, 5 million dollars for a 60 point guy…

            Depends on the superstar… Toews is reallly motivated right now… Crosby seems like a liability on defense… Ovechkin, not sure what to say, he gets points but not results… It’s not those players that matter, it’s the team as a whole…

            In my opinion, they are overrated, and overpriced… Way better to have players trying to get better than who have already peaked…

          • peetypuck

            We only got to the cup finals because we had Alfie, Spezza and Heatley, all three were elite players. We lost out because we didn’t have the depth behind them. If we would have had a better second line, who knows?

          • runningbear1974

            Not only that… Buffalo sucked… Pittsburgh sucked… and New Jersey sucked…

            I agree if we would have had Turris, Macarthur and Ryan as our 2nd line could have been special…

            But again… This was a 1 year window… No consistency at all… Spezza couldn’t repeat with Michalek… It had to be Heatley… If any of those 3 would have got injured and that was it for that… This system is not sustainable… How much did that 1 line cost 20 million? It better be a good line… Give them credit, and the blame too, because they took all the money…

          • Tooks

            Without Toews and Crosby, they dont win Cups. Ovie, well his team as a whole sucks, he’s not going to play defense and I wouldnt want him too, scoring 40-60 goals a year gives him pass on defense. Its why they cleaned house in the front office, they need to get a better supporting cast for Ovie.

          • runningbear1974

            There are a lot of #1 centers that don’t win the cup… The trick is to choose the right one…

          • Tooks

            Well Karlsson was a 1st round pick, so I dont agree with you on that one but Alfie yeah, 6th round, big diff between 1st and 6th. But he is our only one. Thats not a good track record for the Sens Org

          • peetypuck

            I know what you’re saying but getting an elite player of EK’s calibre at #15 makes him a late pick also. Before Cooke sliced up his ankle people were starting to say he might be the best player in the NHL. Bryan Murray didn’t have any qualms at giving him a $6.5 million contract at the age of 21 or 22 and we’re a budget team.

          • Tooks

            Yeah Karlsson turned out to be amazing, maybe he was always this good and poor scouting from other teams or great scouting on our part, helped that we had Alfie guide our scouting to him.

            You cant count on getting a gem to save your Franchise, we got lucky as hell that Alfie turned out the way he did. But I guess thats our schtick now, with a budget owner, we wont be able to keep any of our expensive players if we ever get one.

          • Tooks

            Thats true, hard to rebuild when your picking in the 10-20 range. But this team wouldnt survive at the bottom for 3-4 years.

          • WaitingSince92

            Right, except on LA, you are completely, utterly wrong. They got Doughty in the draft, sure, but 10 other teams could have had Kopitar. Richards and Carter were traded for. Boston didn’t tank to become elite. Neither did Detroit. It’s hard/uncertain, but you can get great players beyond the first few picks (just ask Karlsson, not to mention late picks like Zetterberg & Datsyuk).

            You can argue we should have ‘tanked properly’ (ie gotten rid of Phillips, Neil, Spezza and Alfredsson along with Kelly/Fisher), but you don’t NEED to tank to become elite.

            If that were the case, Florida would have 7 cups by now. Edmonton wouldn’t still be in “rebuild”.

          • Tooks

            Again, very few win without top end picks. Those are rare examples. Boston did get consecutive high picks, not theirs but they did draft high.

            Detroit has Babcock and probably the best Front Office in the NHL, CHI is getting pretty close too. But the last Cup winners did it with high picks, high cap.

          • peetypuck

            It goes without saying that you need a good GM that can draft well. If we still had Muckler we would be in the same boat as Florida and Edmonton. It’s obvious that Detroit spends a lot, maybe more than anyone else on scouting and development. That’s the only way that you can consistently pick good later round players but since Lidstrom, Yzerman and Shanahan have retired they aren’t as strong a team anymore.

          • runningbear1974

            I think they also made some bad UFA signings… Their gem was Scotty Bowman and he’s gone now so they’re just faking it at this point… But, goes to show how long something good can last if you build the right infrastructure…

        • Tooks

          Dont know about that, that same 7Mil player got us to the playoffs for 12 straight years, many victories and a Cup final where he led all playoff scorers. Ya we didnt win the Cup but its not because of a lack of defense or offense by Spezza, lol.

          I’m all for trading him but just be aware that the return wont be anything special. Like you said, he hasnt been himself the last 2-3 years, bogged down by injury and his desire seems to be gone (on this team atleast)

          • runningbear1974

            I don’t care about the return… I don’t agree about his value… He was successful when he had Alfie doing his defense, and when having Greening doing his defense…
            I bet you if we traded Spezza for a 20 goal guy that we would have had similar results… We would have made the playoffs… We would have done well that 1 time (the other teams were shit)…

            There are 2 things that really matter…
            1) consistency… Otherwise it’s impossible to coach…
            2) step it up when the going gets tough…

    • Tooks

      Yep thx for bringing back said argument, said this, what, a week ago. A good point to drive home so not to be devestated when we get medium to good return for Spezza.

      Nobody will sign Spezza longterm before they can see what he can do. So for a 1 year rental, your looking at Iginla type return.

    • Don Ciccio

      I actually think that we are going to be pleasantly surprised at the return that we get for him. I believe that there will be a bidding war in the West for him which will drive up his value. Teams like ST.L, L.A, ANA, NSH and COL could all make a push for him in the West. Also, it is very hard to be a point per game player in the NHL anymore. I believe only 7 players this year got over 80pts and only Crosby got over 100pts. Look at what TB got back for a 38 yr old Martin St. Louis, and don’t see why we can’t do the same as or better than that.

      • Tooks

        Well Marty St.Louis has WAY more intangibles than Spezza. We wont get anywhere near a player of Callahan’s caliber.

        • WaitingSince92

          What about the tangibles. Spezza isn’t nearing 40 and 8 years is what they’d call ‘tangible’…

          • Tooks

            Marty at 40 is a better player than Spezza at 30, how’s that for tangible, lol.

    • runningbear1974

      I’m willing to bet that Spezza will have a very good year next year… He’s going to score almost 40 and get almost 100 points… The problem was never his skill… It was always his intensity… And now that he has something to prove, we’ll see what he could have been…

      • Tooks

        The problem was his wingers, lol. Look what he did with legit top line players. You cant expect Spezza to turn 3rd line players into legit top 3 players. Only Crosby can do that :P

        Wherever he goes I do expect him to be close to that PPG, probably .75 -.85 cuz he will be surrounded with a supporting cast that can match his skill. (except NSH)

        • runningbear1974

          I wasn’t as impressed with Spezza playing with Hemsky as most of you seem to be… I’m happy they didn’t join earlier in the season… Would have prolonged this…
          Spezza did good with Alfie, and with Greening because they did his defense…
          To be fair to Spezza, Michalek sucked really bad this year and just exposed Spezza even more… Too bad Spezza didn’t pick up the defense when Michalek was off… Too bad he’s not that kind of linemate…

          • Tooks

            Spezza aint a defensive player, why would he pick up the slack for Michalek, he was already doing it on offense. Who do you think Spezza is? Toews, Crosby?

          • runningbear1974

            I agree he’s not a defensive player… They say defense can be learned… He’s been in the league for 10 years, and hasn’t learned…

          • Tooks

            Maybe he was never taught…And yeah it can be learned, if you think he hasnt improved defensively over 10 years than you havent watch early Spezza…You do know he is a +54 right? Obviously his defense was playing offense and scoring more than the opposition, which worked for 10 years.

          • runningbear1974

            Yes i know… Yes i watched 10 years ago… And yes, besides Kassian who’s not really an NHL player, Spezza is the worse on the team… He’s worse than Stone, worse than Hoffman, worse than everyone…
            Maybe he was never taught… That’s funny… For sure he never learned, that part is true… And if he would look around, everyone else is doing it… Like literally, everyone except him…

          • A-Train

            The best part of the Spezza trade will be an end (hopefully) to these nauseating debates about his qualities as a player.

          • runningbear1974

            Yeah because we’ll have something better to talk about…

          • A-Train

            I’m guessing it’ll be Karlsson’s +/-. You?

          • runningbear1974

            depends… I like all sorts of talk… I like weird scenarios… What if this? or what if that? I like that stuff too… I like comparing players… Who is the worse #1 center that Chicago could still have won the cup with?
            Karlsson at 6.5 million is a huge part of our success… Good or bad… So, depends how he plays… The more top heavy you are the more you depend on that player, how that player plays becomes critical to the success of the team…

          • WaitingSince92

            This is the biggest problem with Spezza. Not the player himself, but that everyone expected him to be the second coming of Yzerman, like Toews. Jason was never that kind of player and he almost certainly never will be.

          • runningbear1974

            I agree he’s not… I wanted him off the team a long time ago… I always felt his apparent value was higher than his actual value…

    • Andrews theory

      i think your kind of picking at straws. Agreed he may have misses it by a few points but when GM’s around the league talk about Spezza they still consider him as a point a game player.
      when you get bounced in the playoffs because your offense dries up, guys like Spezza are the guys that will push them over the hump and or take pressure off their other stars.
      and honestly, he single handedly put Greening on the Rookie all star team. Reality is most players aren’t capable of handling the amount of opportunities he throws their way.

      The Iginla return was as bad as Vanek, i gotta believe Murray gets better value.

      • Tooks

        When other GM’s talk about Spezza, pretty sure they talk about how his own offensive production dries up. He hasnt been lighting it up for us these past few years, apart from his Cup run 7 years ago…

        They are going to weigh all the bad and good and right now in his career, there are more bad things to account for than good things to come.

        He’s going to get us some parts but nothing like a top 2 D or top 3 FW…

    • PraiseAlfie11

      Ya…57 points in 60 and 62 games is horrible and only 66 in 75…talk about a nosedive!

      Hopefully we get a full bag of pucks for him and not those cheap Chinese knock off pucks either.

      Good thing there’s that nhl store with 30 Towes in stock!

      • FistsofNeil25

        In my above post I wrote he still has had very good production but he hasn’t been a consistent point per game player in 6 seasons.

        My argument was that while he’s still been very productive, he’s not likely to be a player that teams will be selling the farm to acquire. His offensive numbers aren’t enough to boost his value from the fact that he’s struggled with injuries the last handful of seasons, and that he only has one season remaining on his contract.

        • PraiseAlfie11

          Im waiting until july to decide if the sens are for real or will be a budget team until they are sold.

          Any spezza trade is a huge part of the equation.

  • Mat

    T-36 days until the draft… Can we get these playoffs over with so we can move to actual Sens news? Soooooooooooooooooo looooooooooooooooooooooooong…..

    • Tooks

      Not enjoying the playoffs?

      I hope its NYR and CHI in the finals, super fast, high skill final is what I would lilke to see.

      • esk

        i have the kings in 7…l.a vs ny…two huge markets…east vs west…the nhl would want that…prolly told the refs to favour those teams lolol

      • FistsofNeil25

        Hawks have been my second favorite team since the day Toews was drafted. If Ottawa is out of the picture I have no problem with Chicago continuing to rack up Stanley Cup wins. I would rather them than anyone else.

        • Terry

          I agree with Chicago being my West team, right behind the Senators on my Fav hockey teams list. When Pittsburgh won their Cup, I looked at a buddy and said that is where Chicago will be in 5 years. He laughed at me. Turns out it only took 3 years. I am watching the West Conference Finals and that is all till the Cup Finals. I can’t and won’t cheer for Montreal…..ever.

          The off-season should become pretty interesting once the playoffs finish….until then I am enjoying the WHC, Memorial Cup and the Blackhawks.

  • esk

    with Thornton possibly in play…who would you rather have on your team Spezza or Thornton? why?

    • FistsofNeil25

      That’s a tough question. Depends what situation your team is in I guess. From the current Sens stand point, I don’t want either. From San Jose’s stand point, I would say both have pretty equivalent value. Spezza’s played with Michalek and a revolving door of third liners for the past few seasons. Thornton’s had the luxury of players like Pavelski, Marleau, Couture, and Burns as his linemates.

      Both players have been highly production players in the league for a long time, without winning anything. Although Joe does have his 2010 Gold Medal

      • Tooks

        Yeah doubt anything gets done with SJ, they dont want Spezza. E3

        • FistsofNeil25

          and we don’t want Thornton. I don’t think that was the original poster’s point though. I don’t think he was suggesting we trade Spezza for Thornton. He was just asking who we’d rather have and who has more trade value.

    • runningbear1974

      Joe Thorton? In my opinion they have almost the exact same strengths and weaknesses… But, Thorton is 6’4″ whereas Spezza is 6’3″… Also, Thorton was 1st overall whereas Spezza was 2nd overall… So, obviously Thorton is the better choice…
      But realistically, I don’t want either.. Hey, maybe if we had both? then our entire team strategy could revolve around those 2 players…
      Centers who don’t control the center the ice… Forwards who don’t like to shoot the puck… It would be a very gimmicky team… Neither are what you need to build a cup contending team with…

    • whammer44

      Thornton makes no sens! He has a big contract and his best years are behind him. But if its one of those Betty or Wilma questions…then…Betty!

    • A-Train

      Obviously similar players with the same strengths and knocks against them. Thornton’s injury history is a little better though.

      But this would be a pretty bizarre move…unless you look at it as a “change of scenery” for both.

      • esk

        should of been more clear..i didnt mean it for the sens just in general

    • runningbear1974

      Thorton is slighty better than Spezza, because he makes small passes, not just long passes… Spezza usually looking for the home run pass… And, Thorton slightly more likely to hit someone…

      • A-Train

        Spezza makes “just long passes”? What?

        • FistsofNeil25

          Those drop passes are only able two-footers aren’t they?

          • A-Train

            Exactly. Even the dreaded drop-passes he’s been routinely roasted for. Something about Spezza has always made his haters insane…otherwise intelligent people who seem to project their odd ideas about “effort” and “grit” and “intangibles” onto him.

          • runningbear1974

            When he passes it to someone from the other team, he continues skating offensively… It takes him a while to stop and change directions… Is this an intangible? Is this imagined?

          • A-Train

            Jason Spezza was one of the best players on a team that was consistently a contender for the better part of a decade. That’s what I take away from his performance as an Ottawa Senator.

            Others prefer to look at things like drop passes and what they perceive to be lazy skating.

          • runningbear1974

            I respect your opinion…

            I never felt we were a contender… We were always a pretender team… That’s my opinion… I’m looking forward to the next generation sens… I’ve been waiting a long time…

          • A-Train

            Well, considering that generation of Senators never managed to hoist the Cup there is no arguing the basics of your point.

            And that’s really the most relevant knock against Spezza as a star player. Those Sens teams had some holes (goaltending especially)…but despite some good performances and career numbers he was never able to put his team over the top when it mattered the most. Same criticism for Alfie, Heatley, Redden, Philips.

          • runningbear1974

            He was good this year, i don’t think he did any drop passes…

        • runningbear1974

          Spezza looking for home run pass… He’s looking to be the 1st assist guy… He doesn’t make little passes to improve positioning…

          • A-Train

            haha. yes let’s add “doesn’t improve others positioning” to the long list of his imagined faults. good one.

          • runningbear1974

            Spezza has no faults, only imagined faults by jealous fans…

    • runningbear1974

      This would be Thorton’s 3rd team, so seems he hasn’t been able to make it work with a team… Spezza has had several successful lines and moments with Ottawa, and only after years has the management been reluctantly willing to trade him… I think Spezza has more apparent value… It seems that we value him more than what SJ values Thorton…

  • FistsofNeil25

    So according to Dorion the Sens have a deal on the table for Da Costa, but he has received a fairly lucrative offer from the KHL as well.

    • Millennium

      If his #1 priority is money, I’m guessing the KHL deal blows ours out of the water. If he wants to try for an NHL career, you gotta expect he’s looking for some promise of minutes/games from us, otherwise he can probably end up elsewhere without looking too hard.

    • Zelle

      Nice! He must be loving this. I hope he chooses to stay with the Sens. I have his rookie card so I’d love for him to stay… lol

    • A-Train

      I won’t be sad to see him go to the KHL. Maybe he’s the second coming of Martin St Louis…but I doubt it.

      • EK65

        I think he’s legitimate. Especially since there will be a spot opening up down the middle in the off-season (likely anyways). I’d give him a 1 way for sure. Nothing longer than 3 years though.

        • A-Train

          So does that have him as our starting third line centre? It could work…but I’m still unsure. He just hasn’t shown NHL production yet.

          • EK65

            If Spezza moves the 2nd line C hole is open. Zbad, and Pageau have not made a definitive case for it at all.

          • A-Train

            I’d say Zibanejad has. This is a pretty crucial year for him…and for how the team manages him. He needs to get a prime time assignment so we can see where his development is at.

          • Hax

            I almost agree but to me Turris is *maybe* ready for 1C and Zibanejad is *maybe* ready for 2C. I can easily put on my rose-colored glasses and picture both improving even more and being rock solid, but I can also picture both regressing slightly or having trouble with the added responsibility.

            Trickle down effect from Spezza leaving is not going to be subtle IMO.

          • FistsofNeil25

            My thoughts exactly. It might be beneficially to bring in a veteran center to help alleviate the pressure from the youngsters for a season or two.

            There’s going to be a ton of weight on the shoulders of Turris and Zibanejad.

          • Tooks

            So my Turris concerns have you thinking “uh oh” too huh, good to know.

          • A-Train

            Oh I totally agree. How Turris and Zibanejad perform and the 1 and 2 C is a very big question mark. If Turris struggles the team will be in serious trouble.

          • peetypuck

            Losing the whole 2nd line is going to be hard on Turris and Zibby. They’re going to be counted on to replace most of the offence that the Spezza line brought. At least they play a much better defensive game so the goals against won’t be as bad.

          • EK65

            Did he not play winger most of last season? Why would we plunk him into a C slot when he’s used to playing on the wing?

          • FistsofNeil25

            He was bounced around the line-up from first line winger with Spezza to fourth line center with kassian and Condra. He didn’t play a game post-olympic break where he wasn’t lined up at center.

            Maclean wants to stick him at center and leave him there to develop.

          • A-Train

            Zibanejad’s a centre. The team has experimented with him on the wing…but that was always to get him into a top 6 role when Spezza and Turris had the centre position on those lines.

            He’s always looked best at centre.

          • Hax

            I think Smith would end up playing 3C in terms of minutes anyway and then we’d have SDC stuck playing with muckers and minimal minutes. So not ideal.

            Unless they put Smith on SDC’s wing and give him another winger with some offensive upside. Then who’s the 4C? Pageau?

    • Doc

      The KHL offer has been there for a little while now, as Richardson was talking it in an interview two weeks ago.

      He mentioned that he was trying to convince DaCosta of staying in North-America for his career.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Interesting. Good to know. Thanks!

  • Millennium

    Ian Mendes ‏@ian_mendes 25m

    Dorion on Michalek/Hemsky: “We’d like to keep both if we could. But they have to accept where they fit into our scheme money-wise.”

    Translation: We low-balled them because we’re broke, so they’re both going to walk.

    • A-Train

      Frankly it makes sense to walk away from both. Talented players, but both are injury-prone and their best days are most likely behind them. They’d both fit better elsewhere I think.

      • EK65

        Hemsky’s best days are behind him? I think he made a pretty damn good case that he’s still in his prime after being traded to Ottawa. He was on fire!!

        • A-Train

          He’s 30 and has had serious injuries. Yes he played well for us and still has something in the tank, but I just feel like he’d be a better fit right now on a team that’s more ready to contend NOW than the Sens are. Like the Blues maybe.

        • peetypuck

          These types of players do this every time their contracts come up for renewal. Then, it’s back to being injured half the time until the next time his contract comes up for renewal. I just don’t understand why GM’s keep falling for this.

          • Hax

            Yeah because these players get injured on purpose right?

          • peetypuck

            Isn’t it funny that Michalek and Hemsky played full seasons this year. Just coincidentally they both need to renew their contracts.

      • peetypuck

        Michalek has made $11 million over the last two years I think. For doing what? Scoring 20 goals? He owes the team a free year because he sure never earned his paycheques.

    • runningbear1974

      I like the low-balling strategy… Have players that want to play here… No more entitled players…

      • FistsofNeil25

        Should have low-balled the shit out of those Greening negotiations!!!

        The low-balling strategy is so great. It will eventually start to cost us every player that we want to sign here.

      • WaitingSince92

        You’re the first and last fan to say you actually like the low-balling strategy. It’s basically the same thing as saying “yes, you’re worth more, but not here in Ottawa”

    • FistsofNeil25

      I’m less concerned over losing Michalek and Hemsky than I am over who’s going to replace their minutes in our top six forward group.

  • SensChirp