Florida Panthers Willing to Move Top Pick

SensChirp May 2, 2014 308
Florida Panthers Willing to Move Top Pick

On a recent edition of Prime Time Sports, Florida Panthers General Manager Dale Tallon suggested that not only is his team willing to listen to offers on the first overall pick, but they are actually actively shopping the pick around the league.

The Panthers have a number of quality prospects and young players in their organization and are likely looking for the type of player that can help them win now. Cue the Jason Spezza speculation. While I’m sure Murray would prefer not to move Spezza to a division rival, in the end he’s going to have to take the best offer. And a package that includes the top pick in the draft would certainly get Murray’s attention.

Now obviously there are a few issues to consider with this option the most obvious being, would Spezza consider Florida as a team he’d be willing to go to and would the Panthers be willing to pay such a high price to acquire his services.

It’s going to be a long summer of speculation surrounding the Ottawa Senators Captain but you can go ahead and add the Florida Panthers as a potential trade option for Murray to consider this summer. Florida joins a list that already includes St. Louis, Nashville and Colorado for sure.

The more teams interested in his services the better as this point.

  • savagestix

    What would be a realistic return for spezza from florida?

    • Senatollah

      Maybe the better question is who would you want?

      Forget any of the goalies. One has crazy term, the other cant stop a beach ball

      On D would you want Brian Campbell or Ed Jovanovski – if the Sens need a top pairing dman to play with 65 who would you pick. BC has 2 years to go but high $$s, EJ s has 1 year and is old and not a long term solution.

      On F: not sure they would offer up Fleischmann but he might be what the Sens needs to short up the left wing. No way they give up on Barkov and the rest wouldn’t be that attractive in a package.

      Prospects: lets be serious here, sens have too many potential prospects on the go that making room for another one or two wouldnt make much sense unless they were A1 picks.

      So using Bobby Ryan deal as a template for a 1st line player, and that a 1st overall pick in first round is a known commodity (Anaheim took chance sens would suck) my best guess would be Spezza for 1st and Boyes. I dont see Fleischmann as part of the deal. If it was roster player, pick and prospect maybe the Panthers include Trocheck in the deal, but that might require sens to add another player

      • EHMatt

        The template can always be altered depending on the value of what’s being offered. Considering the Ryan template of a young top 6 forward, a high end prospect and a 1st, if the 1st overall pick and a very skilled young player such as Huberdeau (not saying he’ll be offered) for example are offered, then I’m sure BM would be satisfied with that. Considering though that with the 1st overall pick, they’d likely take Ekblad, then I would guess that they’d be looking for a forward in return. How nice would it be though to have Huberdeau and Stone reunited? That would be awesome!

        • Doc

          You’re saying that we could get the 1st overall and Huberdeau for Spezza?

          That’s beyond wishful thinking!

          • FistsofNeil25

            Don’t think we could get either for Spezza 1 for 1

          • Doc

            Agreed.

        • Uncle JOe

          Yeah.. I’m pretty sure it would be something like Spezza and another NHL ready player (depending on Florida’s needs..) for the 1st pick. And I think I would be ok with that. First over pick afterall..

  • ILikeTacosMore

    Gudbranson + 1st? I doubt Florida would do it but you have to give something to get something.

    • Doc

      No way they do that for Spezza straight up. The ‘something’ would need to be from Ottawa to add to Spezza.

      • ILikeTacosMore

        I should’ve added an “lol” to my comment – I wasn’t exactly serious. Greening, a 3rd & Spezza for Gudbranson & 1st?

        • FistsofNeil25

          Greening has negative trade value. No need for Gudbranson proposals. Tallon was on TSN1200 a few weeks ago raving about Gudbranson. He said he’s one of their untouchables and is likely to be their next captain once Jovo is gone.

    • Sandy

      I was thinking the same thing…
      Gudbranson is a home town boy and going to be a really good big physical defenseman.. Then take Ekblad with the 1st overall.. and the Sens have really upped the quality of defenseman for years to come. Now Ekblad probably won’t play in the NHL next season… but in the future you could have..
      Karlsson-Gudbranson
      Ekblad-Methot
      Wiercioch/Boro/Claesson/Cowen — etc
      Within 3 years .. the Sens would have a YOUNG spectacular defense.. to go with a decent offense.. and Lehner in net…
      I hate to see Spezza gone.. but if the Sens do that.. it changes their defense to a great degree in the long term.

  • BMurray

    Only way i see this deal is if Florida gets Spezza for First/Kulivov. Kulikov is available, and Florida would like to move him.

    Then question is who do you draft Ekblad/Reihart/Bennet.

    • Don Ciccio

      There is no doubt in my mind that if we got the 1st overall then, Ekblad would be the pick. That would lead to Ottawa having other option like trading Cowen + to Edm for someone like Eberle.

  • FistsofNeil25

    This is insane lol does anyone actually think that:

    a) Spezza would waive his NTC to go to Florida? Maybe if he wanted to go soak up the sun for a season before going to free agency.

    b) Florida would trade the 1st overall pick for 31 year-old Spezza with his injury history and expiring contract? Keep in mind that the first overall pick has his entire career ahead of him while Spezza’s career is more than half over. That’s a move that Florida may make if Spezza was willing to sign with them at the time of the trade Which leads me to…

    c) Would Spezza sign a contract extension in Florida?!?! Not a chance. Unless all he cares about is getting paid and getting away from a hockey market. I don’t think Spezza would be willing to give up his one opportunity to be a big time commodity come free agency next summer. There’s just no way, especially for Florida.

    Spezza for the 1st overall pick will never happen.

    • Senatollah

      Book it?

      • FistsofNeil25

        Book it!

    • Don Ciccio

      I could see Spezza signing long term with Florida. They have tons of cap space and could probably give Spezza a long term contract and big dollars, that he would probably not get from many other teams. If anyone thinks that we would get the 1st overall + something else, they are crazy. We would probably have to add the something else.

      • Tooks

        Spezza is gonna want to win, if he wanted to lose he could have stayed here. He’s gonna want to go to a contender. I would be surprised IF Florida isnt on his list of no trade.

        • TookieIs100PercentRight

          Bang on Tooks!
          Murray is going to have to trade him for a good team and that team will probably show a marked improvement if Spezza is ultiized correctly. He probably won’t get more than a good prospect and 2nd round pick for him so…
          TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!

    • Tooks

      ^this^

    • Aaron 2.0

      I think you’re selling the panthers short a little bit. I don’t think they are too far off from being a good team, to be honest. Add that they have lots of cap space. It’s not a traditional hockey market (i.e. low pressure). And, who wouldn’t want to live in Florida? I’m still not really convinced this is the most logical fit for that team. But, if the panthers were on the no-trade list, I could see Spezza possibly changing his mind on that one.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I agree that Florida isn’t far off. I think they have a pretty bright future.

        I just don’t think think they would want to shop the 1st overall for a 31 year old player with one year remaining on his contract. I also just don’t see Spezza agreeing to a contract extension with Florida without testing free agency. There are a lot of more desirable places to play than Florida regardless of their promising youth and nice weather.

        • Aaron 2.0

          I think you’re right about Florida shopping their 1st for an ageing C. I don’t see it. Add that there is no guarantee that he re-signs as you mention (even if i think it’s in the realm of possibility), and it becomes too risky for Florida. I also hate inner division trades! I think if they showed some interest, that would be best case scenario. The more teams that kick tires the better. I’d still bet he goes out West (although i’m not a betting man – Lol).

      • Dirtysweetness

        I think Aaron you’re bang on! The Panthers are going to be very competitive next season. They have a franchise goaltender, a maturing defense and an enviable young forward group. Not to leave out an excellent management team.

    • Cicero

      Sure, it’s a stretch, but not really that nuts of a possibility!

      Florida has a strange mix of aged veterans and talented youth. At 31, Spezza is in the middle, and could be the sort of leader the Panthers need.

      The Panthers have much to be optimistic about! Huberdeau and Barkov for example, plus other young talent. The team, ownership, and culture is a lot more positive and upbeat than Ottawa.

      It might actually be a desired landing spot for Spezza to play out the rest of his career.

    • Sandy

      Having visited Sunrise a couple of times.. it’s a beautiful place.. The arena is really nice.
      I think with Luongo there.. the fan base will grow.
      They have really good young prospects coming. It could be a team on the rise for sure… These young prospects are becoming NHL ready…
      If Spezza wants to play out of the limelight.. then this is the place he could go to.. All it takes is a phone call from Luongo…

  • 383

    Sorry, don’t want Kulikov-pretty sure there’s rumors of him leaving for the KHL for big money.
    IF Florida is the team we trade Spezza too, you don’t settle for anything less then Gudbranson, 1st and would LOVE to pry Nick Bjugstad. Really underrated BIG forward who can play wing. The rare times I watch Florida, this guy always stands out and is a force out there.

    • Doc

      You won’t get all those things unless we send something else back.

      • Senatollah

        Dave Cameron! we dont need him, they need a coach

        • Doc

          That’s the spirit lol.

        • bluebuyyoo

          Do they want Potvin back?

          • Doc

            He’s gone anyways.

            I’ll miss his senility.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Don’t let the door hit you on the way out Denis! Good riddance!

          • bluebuyyoo

            Actually, I was in the minority that actually liked him. Although he was prone to fits of delirious ramblings, his insight as a former Norris winner, SC champion and NHL captain was often nothing short of brilliant.

          • Doc

            I’ve never really minded him. He does ramble but I guess it was part of his charm. There are far worst commentators than him.

            I’ll really miss Dean though…

          • s3nsfan

            serioulsy! We could be stuck with Jack Edweards or the guy from the Rangers.

          • bluebuyyoo

            or Glenn Healey!!!!!

          • s3nsfan

            We’re already stuck with him.

          • Senatollah

            Goodbye DDP, you made for a great drinking game

      • Deadly

        Lyndon S please.

  • Doc

    But have they showed any interest or is this just speculation at this point? I haven’t seen any mention of Florida being interested in #19.

    • Tooks

      And even if they would, is Spezza ok to go to Florida, I think not. Florida has to be a team on his no trade list.

      • Doc

        That’s the part that hasn’t (and probably won’t be) made public.

        I’d love to see his list of 10 teams he won’t be traded too. Would temper expectations a bit.

      • Phil.

        Not sure why you assume he is not ok with FL. The tax situation would be great for someone with 1 year left on a contract. He could actually make 4M rather than the 2-3M he would elsewhere after taxes.

        • Phil.

          I will add that even if he submitted the list 2 yo, I still think a State where you can almost double your net income doesn’t get put on a no trade list.

          • Tooks

            If I have to explain to you why star players dont want to go to Florida, then, I feel you have already lost your battle.

            And also, if its so enticing, money, wise, then why no superstars agree to go there more often…

          • Phil.

            I forgot you are so smart and everyone else is so stupid.
            You seem to know exactly what Spezza thinks (and what he thought in 2012), so feel free to share the list of the 10 teams that are on his list.

            My point was that I am not as convinced as you are that FL on there.
            I can easily make list of 15 teams that may/may not be on the list because they are small markets, not top contending teams or whatever, so some of them aren’t going to be on his list.

            The superstar argument is flawed since most re-sign with their team. if you are referring to no trade lists, FA and such, then only a hand full of team are consistently on the “desired list”. The no superstar argument could be made for most teams.

            And yes, I do think money comes into play.

          • TookieIs100PercentRight

            Spezza’s family told Hodge ages ago they expect him to play in TO someday. It’s right next to his door so he’ll probably want to sign there as a free agent. Panthers are a wasteland, why would anyone wanting to win want to go there unless they had family there (Luongo)?
            Spezza isn’t going to Florida.
            TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!

  • Don Ciccio

    I wouldn’t be too worried about trading in the division because if teams are added or teams are relocated then, I am sure that the division alignments would also change. I can’t see TB and Florida in the division long term.

  • Cicero

    I don’t see how it becomes the pick + a body in exchange for #19.

    Shopping elsewhere, the Panthers would get a lot more than Spezza for their pick, so we’d have to give more. But we have plenty of young talent moving up to fill roster spots, given that fans are willing to allow for 2-3 years of building. .

    I imagine it would be Spezza + either Cowen or Weircioch for the 1st rd. pick

    • Doc

      That’s more reasonable.

    • Don Ciccio

      yup, I agree

    • FistsofNeil25

      Which if you think about it, is it really worth it to trade Spezza+Cowen/Wiercioch for the first overall pick which isn’t likely to end up being a franchise player this year? I’m sure Bennett/Reinhart/Ekblad can all be good players some day, but considering none of these guys have much hype around them, I would rather trade a Spezza+Cowen/Wiercioch package for something else to fill some of the holes we have now.

      • Cicero

        Especially when we _know_ where we have needs to fill. Besides, our stength is cultivating 6th rounders into all-stars!

    • Tooks

      1st overall (Ekblad)
      Nick Bjugstad
      for
      Spezza
      Cowen
      Greening

      • boom

        Interesting, but I don’t think Florida would do that. They may offer someone of lesser quality than Bjugstad. It would be a nice deal for Ottawa, if so though.

      • KJ

        why does everybody under value Spezza? He is a point a game player over his career and in the playoffs (when Sens make it there). This summer he will have a had a long full summer to train and with no back injury. So will Karlsson for that matter.
        Everyone on here almost seems to think that a proven player in terms of point production is somehow worth less than unproven prospects and picks. (proven but injured vs. untested potential – a huge risk either way)
        Spezza is worth 1st rd pick, roster player, and prospect, similar or better to B. Ryan. Spezza is still producing, even though everyone has been infected with the 200ft game garbage and lets change Spezza. 29 other teams would be happy to have this guy. We seem to want him out of here, and are resigned to seeing it happen. We piss in his cornflakes every year, because we the fans, by proxy through him don’t have a Stanley Cup yet.
        Anyways, Brian Murray is shrewd (been around the game for longer then I have lived my entire adult life (30 years), and I am sure he knows the true value of his star player and the constraints of which he might be under with Spezza’s NTC. Spezza won’t screw him like Heatley did either.
        Murray got embarrassed over letting Alfie go for nothing. He won’t be embarrassed this time in any trade for Spezza, if in fact it comes to pass.
        I see something like the Turris trade happening, and we will all be none the wiser when it goes down.

  • EHMatt

    Based on the comments I’ve been reading, why are people undervaluing Spezza so much? The template is the same as the Bobby Ryan deal. Bobby Ryan has consistently put up an average of 59 points in his full seasons. Spezza has put up an average of 73 points. This is the first season he’s been a minus in the double digits. Even with his bad back he’s good for 60 points. If BM gets a bidding war between at least 5 teams out of the 20 he can be traded to then it’s going to be a good hall. No matter how unlikely it is, I wouldn’t put it passed Florida to offer the 1st overall and Huberdeau maybe. They’re not going to put Barkov or Huberdeau on the 3rd line. One of them would likely have to be included. I’d be very disappointed if we settled for something like Boyes + Kulikov + 1st.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Because due to having one year remaining on his contract and a lot of recent injury issues, Spezza doesn’t have the value of a typical point per game first line center. Tallon wouldn’t give us the 1st overall+Huberdeau if we held a gun to their his head. It’s just not going to happen. Not even the 1st+Kulikov+Boyes. Spezza just doesn’t have that much value.

      Teams trading for Spezza will ask themselves if they have a realistic chance to re-sign him, and how much good hockey does he have left in him.

      • sprucesens

        I think we could still get a good haul. I still think 3 decent pieces or 2 great pieces. Huberdeau and their 1st would be 2 great pieces. While florida is not a contender, they definitely have some of the most attractive trading pieces. Like someone above said, there will be teams bidding. They will be cautious because of the 1 year left, and injuries, but most forwards have injuries. And like someone said, he still averages 70+ points. Every team in the league would love to have someone like that. Including us. Problem is, we don’t fit in each other’s plans at the moment, so we are moving on. I think huberdeau and the 1st might happen if you send something like spezza gryba. Or even if you give them just spezza, and they are able to talk contract for spezza before the trade. That’s something we need to remember. If any team that trades for him is able to talk to him first, the price goes back up to a top trade with 3 great pieces coming back.

        • FistsofNeil25

          If we get a return similar to 1st overall + Huberdeau or the Josi + Forsberg deal that you hope for, I will dance through the streets of Ottawa. You can be the first to say “I told you so”.

          I’ll believe it when I see it though! I definitely have my doubts.

        • Bort

          Absolutely no chance we get Huberdeau and a 1st for Spezz…zero. We’d be extremely lucky and Tallon would have to be out with Rob Ford at the time to even offer us Huberdeau for him…

    • Aaron 2.0

      Maybe in his prime, before the injuries, and with lost of good contract left. But, not today.

    • Conor_smythe

      I was thinking of a Spezza for Huberdeau type deal earlier today, strange that Chirp is now mentioning Florida.. great minds, I guess

      Doubt we would get Huberdeau plus the first overall.. but I’m not going to undervalue Spezza the way a lot of fans are doing.. its not a bad deal, Florida does not want to be Edmonton, they know you can only draft for so long, eventually you need to make trades

    • Doc

      Unfortunately they are not the same situations.

      Ryan had 4 consecutive seasons of 30+ goals, was only 26 (didn’t hit his prime yet), no injury problems and was signed for 2 more years at a very cap friendly contract.

      Spezza will be 31, has a history of recent injury (long term too), only has one year left on his contract that has a 7 millions cap hit.

      No way Spezza brings in the first AND Huberdeau. If you think that’s the type of return we can expect, you will sorely be disappointed.

      • Tooks

        Yeah no kidding, the comparison is WAY off and you made that quite clear Doc, sometimes I wonder about people…

        • Senatollah

          A first line player in the NHL is a first line player. You know what you are getting with Spezza, much like the Sens knew they were getting with Ryan. Injury history is just that, history. You have no more of a guarantee that someone who has never been injured will be miss less games than someone who has missed games due to injury.

          And no, its not like Alfie in Detroit where they knew when they signed him he wasnt likely to play many back to back games cause Spezza does play all games he can.

          • TookieIs100PercentRight

            Spezza wasn’t a first line player for us though. Turris was. Spezza was either on the second or third pairing and basically a powerplay specialist.
            TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      He’ll be 31 by 2014-2015 season start.
      He has a history if injuries (back, groin).
      He’s a negative possession player.
      You need to find “the right teammates” for him, so he can’t improve just anyone.
      He’s not exactly “clutch”.
      He has one year on his contract.
      No one is going to give the farm for a player with lots of question marks at the health, production and contract level. Vanek got a second round pick and average prospect and he’s a 30+ scorer every year…
      TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!

  • Jordan

    Dont wanna sound like spezzafan19 with his man crush over ladd but ive said it on here before if we can bjugstad and thier 1st round pick you make that trade.

    Although we would have to give up more. Possibly wiercoch or cowen.

  • Cicero

    Congrats to Aaron 2.0 and Sensturion on their picking acumen, now leading the SensChirp pool in the nhl-dot-com Bracket Challenge!

    http://bracketchallenge.nhl.com/playoff_challenge/leagues/31479?locale=en

    • Zelle

      Yes they are killing the rest of us… lol

    • Aaron 2.0

      I wish I could just retire now. I always bomb at brackets. Amazingly picking 7 out of 8 series (MIN/COL wrong) and getting the length of 4 of them right still only puts Sensturion and I in about 6500 th place overall. Crazy stuff.

  • Pasky

    Spezza+Weircioch for Kopecky, Petrovic & 1st (Ekblad)
    Prince+4th for Stewart
    Sign Steve Ott

    MacArthur-Turris-Stone
    Ryan-Zibanejad-Stewart
    Hoffman-Ott-Condra
    Kopecky-Smith-Neil
    Greening-Pageau

    Methot-Karlsson
    Cowen-Ekblad
    Phillips-Ceci
    Borowiecki

    Anderson
    Lehner

    Roughly 55 Million in salary, depending on contract signings. Probably none of this will happen but I’d be content with this line up, especially the D.

    • Tooks

      Your first trade is probably closer to what we would get.
      Forget Stewart…sigh
      Ott would be a very good 3rd line piece.

    • sprucesens

      you traded for petrovic, and he’s nowhere to be found?

    • Senatollah

      Ryan gotta be on line 1 or we better enjoy his last year in ottawa.

  • Doc

    To be honest I don’t think this holds much weight. Florida is probably just looking at moving down a few spots and in the process pick a body on top of the other pick.

    Maybe look at Vancouver or Carolina to make a push to move up.

  • Brutus5247

    A thought to remember is that unless Melnyk is going to up our UFA’s to fair contracts, and PAY fairly(not bargain basement) for other UFA’s then we will be middle/lower middle of the pack. You don’t need to overpay but you have to be fair. Money talks and people aren’t breaking the door down to play here.

    • Sandy

      I think more players would sign up to play in Florida than they would Ottawa..

  • Brutus5247

    Spezza supporters keep talking about his points. What is important are the Goals ON ICE for/60(3.21) and Goals ON ICE against/60(4.15) differential. You need your best players to be on the positive side like Turris, MacArthur and Ryan.
    Add to the fact that Karlsson and Cowen were often on with Spezza(et al) and you realize that defensive play is an issue with this team. Not new but this is the MAIN area for improvement.

    • bluebuyyoo

      Pretty easy comparison when you only look at the numbers. There are other factors that come in to play, but why get into that. Spezza sucks, right!

      • Brutus5247

        No I don’t think he does. He is very good offensively but for whatever reason he is a detriment defensively and in todays game you need both parts.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Man, I’m all for trading Spezza.. I have been in favor of making that change since last November. It’s just time for both sides to move on.

      What the Spezza haters have to realize though is that moving him doesn’t
      necessarily make us a better team right away. I think we’re going to take a step back to be honest, unless we can find a way to replace his offense.

      Yes, Spezza is a defensive liability and he leaves much to be desired, but there’s no denying the offense he produces, and the match-ups he creates for other lines on our team. With Spezza in the line-up, teams have to focus on shutting down both his line and Turris’ line, which will create a favorable match-up for either group. Without Spezza, the Turris line is now going to face the oppositions toughest match-ups every single night.

      I love Turris, but neither he, Ryan, or MacArthur have ever had to face top competition for an entire 82 game schedule. Turris has always played behind Spezza (except for a short season last year), Mac was always behind the Kessel line and Bobby was always behind Getzlaf and Perry. There’s going to be a lot less time and space for those three without another good offensive line to help alleviate the pressure.

      There’s also the fact that losing Spezza takes a top talent off of our powerplay.

      People can point the the fact that we’ll allow less goals with Spezza off the team, but he is far from our only issue in that department. Our defense sucks, our goaltending is inconsistent, and there are others forwards who are either unwilling or unable to commit to defense on this team.

      If people just assume this team will be better by replacing the Spezza line with guys from Binghamton then guess again. Short term, we’ll definitely feel the loss of Spezza. We can cut down on our goals against but it doesn’t do us any good if our goals for take a huge hit as well.

      • Zelle

        I’m also in the trade Spezza camp since it was hinted that he may be ready to move on from the organization. As a fan I am more than prepared to have to wait at least two years before the Senators are a playoff team. I hope others are too. Worst thing to do is make moves and deals out of pressure and short term success/ambitions. Thankfully it doesn’t seem like Murray is heading in that direction.

        • The Apostle

          I’m firmly in the trade Spezza camp because it will benefit both him and us. However I’m also firmly in the “people are going to be upset with the return” camp and “people are going to be bitching about us struggling next year” camp.

          Removing Spezza solves some issues with this team, doesn’t solve others and also creates some.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Exactly. Murray is going to have to get really crafty if he wants us to be a competitive team next year. If he just trades Spezza and then sits on his hands then I will be really disappointed. Next year will be a struggle unless management is very active and aggressive this summer.

          • The Apostle

            A lot of our expectations will stem from the Spezza return. We’ll get a clue about next season and Murray’s intent for other moves once the Spezza trade happens.

            If he trades for veteran players then, I think, we can expect a much more competitive year. If he trades for only prospects and picks then we are signally a significant extension to the rebuild

          • Zelle

            The only thing that would disappoint me as a return is picks/prospects only or some veteran and picks. I’d like a proven NHL forward (preferably who can play LW/C) in the age range of the team we’re building.

        • runningbear1974

          I’m loving this rebuild team… I find myself paying attention to our junior players, and the AHL team, I now care about those teams too… Since we started the rebuild I feel my appreciation of the team has grown… I also don’t want any bandaid solutions… I think our objective at this point is to create players that will become the veterans that we want… At that point we’ll be a good organization…

      • whammer44

        All true.

      • sprucesens

        yup, well said. Its a toss up. We might lose goals for, but we might lose even more goals against. It’s counting on other players to step up, including those that we might acquire. Should be interesting soon.

  • whammer44

    So lets say Spezza has a bad back that gives him issues from time to time. Maybe he wonders how long the back is going to hold up and wouldn’t it be great to sign a 7 year contract for $50 million before it gets worse. Maybe he finds when he is in warmer climates his back feels better. Maybe Bryan Murray says Jason we want to trade you to Florida because they are warm and sunny and they want to give you the keys to the vault and they want you to lead their young and upcoming team to glory.

    Or maybe Spezza wants to win now and doesn’t worry about his back, feels he’ll get his money in free agency, doesn’t need to be the leader of a team and is happy to just blend in on a contending team and would refuse a trade to FLA.

    EIther scenario is possible. Ottawa is a small market team and in a lot of ways can be seen by players in the same way the Panthers are viewed. So if we are willing to believe a Bobby Ryan would sign long term in Ottawa why not believe Spezza would do the same in a place like FLA.

    At the very least BM will likely kick the tires with both Tallon and Spezza on this.

    • Zelle

      Good points. The best any of us can do is speculate about where Spezza wants or doesn’t want to go, for a variety of reasons. There must be pros and cons to any team. I think last season must have put some serious perspective on having a leadership role as it couldn’t have been easy to be the captain of an under performing team.

      • sprucesens

        my guess is he would want take one of 2 things. One he probably wants to win a cup. So he’d probably like to go to a contending team, but probably also doesn’t want to be THE guy. Or if he is, do it in a market that maybe isn’t so hockey centric. But maybe he overlooks the cup contender to go somewhere like florida where its nice all year. And who knows, they have some top young talent and are willing to spend on ufa’s so maybe he doesn’t mind going there. Either way, I certainly wouldn’t rule florida out. Pretty much any team in the league I could see having certain selling points. Worst is probably buffalo, because they don’t have much other forwards to play with, but they have a top D core soon. Selling points everywhere, but its up to murray and spezza now.

    • Tooks

      First Murray will ask Spezza, yes or no. No point in kicking tires with FLA if Spezza says no.

      • whammer44

        Maybe. But I might find out if Tallon is interested in Spezza and then give him permission to talk to Spezza if he is.

  • Spezza for Kadri

    is what it will be

    • Zelle

      Kadri on being traded: “It would be terrible,” Kadri said about the potential of being dealt.
      “I don’t see it happening and I don’t want it to happen. This is my home
      and this is where I want to be. I’m going to give them everything I
      have.”

      I hope Senators don’t get him if that’s how he feels about playing on any team but the Leafs.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Don’t want that little punk anyway. He’s just as much of a one-dimensional player as Spezza, but half as talented.

        • puttin’ on my Tookie hat

          and yet over the last 2 seasons Kadri has scored more points than ANY Ottawa Senator

          • FistsofNeil25

            What’s your point? What has Toronto done in those two seasons? Where was he this year when his team was free-falling? Why are there always trade rumors involving his name?

            He’s not a guy we want on this team. He’s a defensive liability who thinks he’s bigger than the team.

            He wouldn’t have had more points in the last two seasons if not for the injuries to Spezza and Karlsson.

          • TookieIs100PercentRight

            Toronto hasn’t won the Cup and neitehr have we. So that point is moot.
            Kadri would be a fine add though. He’s already producing 50+ points a season, has a nasty nasty punk-like edge to him and he’s pretty good in shootouts. Fans would fall in love with him, guaranteed. He’s be like a centre-position Tucker/Ruutu. Oh and he draws a T-O-N of penalties….
            TOOKS100%OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Tooks

            Haha exactly this. I would take Kadri in a heartbeat, give us that sorely missing edge we need.

          • Sandy

            Don’t want his arrogant character (as that appears to me is how he is) on the Sens at all…

          • Doc

            I suggest doing research before spouting off and claiming your opinions as facts.

            Just a thought.

          • I’m just sayin’

            HUH ?
            His Kadri points total statement is correct.

          • Doc

            It’s not. Did you even take the time to look?

            2011-2012 7 points
            2012-2013 44 points
            2013-2014 50 points

            Ottawa players:

            2011-2012 Pretty much the whole team
            2012-2013 Kadri has more points yes. Injuries had a large portion of team out for prolonged periods.
            2013-2014 4 players had more points

          • whammer44

            Tookie Hat was saying over the last two season. Technically he’s actually correct.

            Kadri 94
            Turris 86

            http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/seasons/last-2-nhl-seasons-players-stats.html

          • Doc

            Combined? Good lord, what does that prove? It’s a very small sample size that proves nothing without context. ALL of our main guys were injured.

            If you take that into account, you could argue that Kadri is actually regressing then.

            2012-2013 0.91 PPG
            2013-2014 0.64 PPG

            Total: 0.74 PPG

            So, let’s take Karlsson for example:

            2012-2013 0.82 PPG
            2013-2014 0.90 PPG

            Total: 0.88 PPG

            Context is key.

          • I’m just sayin’

            “technically” ?

          • whammer44

            Sorry…its a big word.
            tech·ni·cal·ly
            ˈteknik(ə)lē/
            adverb
            1.
            according to the facts or exact meaning of something; strictly.
            “technically, a nut is a single-seeded fruit”
            synonyms:strictly, strictly speaking, in fact, according to fact, according to the facts

          • Doc

            lol

          • Garrioch’s reliable source

            technically ? actually ?

            why the weasel words ?

            Tookie hat made a correct statement

          • peetypuck

            Technically, Tookie’s Hat is wrong. He said that Kadri scored more points than any Sens player over the last two seasons. He did not specify any specific league so Erik Karlsson has him beat by 10 points.
            Karlsson…..NHL…74
            ………..Olympics…08
            ……………….NHL…14
            …………………Fin…34
            Total………………..130
            Kadri………..NHL…50
            ……………….NHL…44
            ……………….AHL…26
            Total………………..120

          • whammer44

            Thanks champ. Yes factually correct but without context as Doc pointed out irrelevant. So imo the word technically is technically the appropriate word.

          • I’m just sayin’

            “over the last 2 seasons”

            Is Englsh your third language ?

          • Doc

            See my post bellow, asshat.

          • I’m just sayin’

            Why would I bother ?
            His statement is still correct.

          • peetypuck

            So what.
            Kadri was born Oct/2009…113 pts total NHL
            Karlsson was born May/2009…237 pts total NHL.
            Karlsson a defenceman has scored more than double the points that Kadri has. (extra big grin). hahaha

          • Jakester

            And Cowen looks like a 6 th round pick now!

          • Garrioch’s reliable source

            Yes – sadly his injuries have been far more serious and long lasting than anyone is willing to admit

            Cowen’s knee was destoyed in Junior – he was always a high risk – high reward draft pick

        • I’m just sayin’

          Bryan Murray likes Kadri

          • FistsofNeil25

            Just because he liked him 5 years ago at the draft doesn’t mean he still likes him.

          • Hax

            I don’t get that people still think Burke pulled a fast one on Murray at that draft. Watch the video. It’s the exact same as if Burke said “I’ve got two pair – Kings and threes. How about you?” Then Murray looks shocked as if to say “Wow did he really just tell me that – good thing I didn’t actually try to bluff him”.

          • FistsofNeil25

            A lot of Sens fans think that Murray pulled a fast one on Burke. I don’t know what happened. What I do know is that the jury is still out on who the better player will be. As much as I can’t stand him Kadri is miles ahead of Cowen. I guess defensemen take longer to develop than forwards though.

            Ryan O’Reilly went 33rd overall in that draft. If you could do it all over again he would go in the top ten for sure. In fact, Colorado did really well that year. Duchene, O’Reilly, and Barrie.

          • Hax

            My feeling is that regardless of who Burke really wanted, he played it DUMB. He should have let Murray speak. In fact, Murray was about to show his hand. If Murray had said “we want Kadri” then Burke could have said no and took him himself. But if Murray wanted Cowen then Burke missed a chance to get a free pick off Murray.

            In any negotiation, knowing what the other party really wants means you can’t lose. Burke guaranteed he wouldn’t win that conversation because he’s so arrogant he thinks he knows everything and nobody else could possibly have a different opinion.

          • TookieIs100PercentRight

            The Senators drafted a defensive defenceman with zero offensive upside with a top 10 pick. That alone is mind-boggling. Murray most certainly would have picked a chippy skilled centre if he had the chance.
            TOOKS100% OUT!

      • The Apostle

        Players say stuff like that all of the time, get moved and still give the new team 100%.

        Isn’t that exactly what anyone would want to hear from a player? That they are loyal, that they want to play where they are, that they don’t want to be moved. Let’s not let our dislike of a player get in the way of logic.

        You lknow who didn’t say any of those things when he was asked similar questions: Jason Spezza.

        • Hax

          Great point by you. As much as I don’t like Kadri I respect those comments and leaf fans should be happy to hear him talk that way. But yeah, most players with a few brain cells would say that. Ottawa just has a history of players that are too honest for our own liking and don’t just spout cliches.

          • The Apostle

            One thing I do know about Kadri is that whenever the puck is on his stick when he plays Ottawa my concern level goes up. Same with Kessel.

          • Zelle

            I actually worry more about JVR than either of those guys.

          • Hax

            I fear Kessel a lot more than Kadri. With NK it’s mostly about “man if he manages to score here he’s going to look so smug and act like a jackass”. So not as much about the chance he’ll score but that if he does it will be ten times as painful.

            Not saying he has no skill, but Kessel >>>> Kadri.

        • Zelle

          True he could just be putting on a show for the Maple Leafs organization, didn’t think about that. I don’t want Kadri on the Senators but if they make that move there isn’t much I can do about it, so all I could hope is that he give this team 100%.

          • The Apostle

            I don’t see it as putting on a show. I think he genuinely means it. Moving teams is a big deal. It’s not just showing up to a different place of work (which is big enough) but it’s moving to a different city, sometimes to a different country (and trust me that is a big deal). It’s also moving away from friends (and in some cases family). The easiest part of it is probably the hockey side, at least that’s familiar.

            But I think most players genuinely mean it and I see no reason to believe that he wouldn’t be exactly the same player with any other team other than the leafs – unless his coach asks him to be.

            If you are a player who gives a 100% you’ll do it wherever you play, if you’re a lazy shit who floats around you’ll do that wherever too.

          • Zelle

            “If you are a player who gives a 100% you’ll do it wherever you play, if
            you’re a lazy shit who floats around you’ll do that wherever too.” – This I can wholeheartedly agree with. It’s happened before though that a player who went to a team he didn’t want to play for just way underperformed. That hurt his career though so it probably wouldn’t happen again. Just thinking if Kadri is that must of a heart and soul Leafer, would he really want to be on the Senators?

    • Hax

      Yeah I hope not. Not only am I unimpressed by Kadri’s “talent” his attitude is painful. He’ll mature I suppose but I just don’t see him being a guy I’m proud to have on my team.

    • Spezza for Kadri

      some hillarious blowback to my initial tongue in cheek post
      I actually believe that Spezza wants to play in his hometown
      and in a year he can make it happen

  • son of a Diefenbaker

    the salient question here is
    “what would the other 28 teams offer Florida for the first over all pick ?”

    Jets / Leafs could offer some BIG names.

    • Millennium

      I guess it depends what the projected potential of the 1st overall player is. I’ll be honest, I haven’t followed this years prospects at all other than hearing this year is very shallow. Outside of Ekblad, Reinhart and Bennet I couldn’t even name anyone in this years draft.

      If those guys aren’t projecting as gamebreakers, some teams might pass them up, which would work in Ottawa’s favour.

      • FistsofNeil25

        If they were projected to be game breakers, Florida wouldn’t be actively shopping their pick and we wouldn’t be having this conversation in the first place.

  • Millennium

    3 Problems:

    1.) Is Florida on Spezza’s banned list? Hard to say.
    2.) I doubt 1 year of any player nets you the 1st overall straight up. There would have to be more to the deal.
    3.) Florida probably still wants a 1st round pick this year. They probably want to trade down, not out completely. That means a different deal would have to happen first, or a three way trade.

    The Draft needs to hurry up and get here.

    • runningbear1974

      I guess NO, Florida is not banned… I think when Spezza was asked which places he didn’t want to go to, he would have asked his wife… Hey Honey, are you ok with going to Floriday, Yes I am…

      • Millennium

        “Hey honey, do you like sunny weather and no income tax?”

        “PACK THE BAGS JASON!!”

        • runningbear1974

          exactly… My guess is Spezza would have chosen places that are bad to live in, not places with bad hockey teams… That’s my guess… That’s what I would do…

  • BeJamin

    Florida has great weather, great goaltender, good young talent, wonderful tax situation, and a low pressure environment. I can’t imagine Spezza would hate it. If the deal is Spezza for 1st Overall, Ottawa probably is adding. I would say Cowen being the addition would make some sense… but at that point you probably have to have another piece coming back to Ottawa as well or it maybe makes it too hard to balance the deal. Ekblad being Ottawa’s target.

    • Tooks

      You forgot a major flaw…not contenders…

      • s3nsfan75

        How do you know that is a stipulation?

        • Tooks

          Because Spezza mentioned it before that he wants to win a Stanley Cup. Aint gonna happen in Florida.

          • s3nsfan75

            Every player wants to win a stanley cup. Period. Ain’t gonna happen? They have good young players, you never know what might happen if they added a top tier centre and what other players they could acquire. they have tons of cap space.

          • Tooks

            I know exactly what will happen, they will be bottom feeders in the East once more. You saying they make the playoffs?

          • s3nsfan75

            Well Dale Tallon is a competent manager. Can’t say until I see the changes they make this off season.

          • Tooks

            He made those same changes last season and look where it got them. He basically brought it a whole new roster. Still fail.

          • s3nsfan75

            Those same changes, some of those were merely cap fillers to get to the floor. He did a terrible job in Chicago, can’t see how he could carry that forward to another team. Impossible

          • FistsofNeil25

            He did a terrible job in Chicago? I thought he put together the team that featured Toews, Kane, Hossa, Sharp, Bolland, Versteeg, Ladd, Keith, Seabrook, Campbell, Byfuglian, Hjalmarsson, Niemi…

          • s3nsfan75

            I’m being sarcastic, Tooks seems to carry a crystal ball in every conversation and know exactly what’s going to happen.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Ohhh gotchya haha didn’t sense the sarcasm. My bad.

          • runningbear1974

            Spezza wants to win the cup, like the way I want a million dollars just handed to me… Or Spezza wants the cup so he’s doing tons of situps and pushups and he’s determined to be the best possible player? 1 is a dream, the other is a goal… Is it a dream for Spezza, or is it his goal?

          • Jakester

            Maybe he should Backcheck if he wants to get near a cup!

      • Jakester

        Spezza hasn’t been playing exactly like a guy who’s chasing a Cup. Maybe just getting ice time and racking up points and not being in the spotlight is his cup of tea! Florida perfect Match!

  • SensChirp

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWtuPJSpwFE

    Why am I watching this? Hoping for a different ending this time, I guess.

    • FistsofNeil25

      That should have been the year…

      • Tooks

        Ugh, Redden, what happened to you…:(

    • whammer44

      In a parallel universe Sens won the cup that year and went on to win 2 others.

      Hard to believe Alfie’s been retired 2 years already. As Asst. GM to BM he’s obviously going to take over the top job next season.

      In other hockey news, former NHLer Dany Heatley was named to the KHL’s first All-Star team. The Metallurg Magnitogorsk winger commented…”I’m Dany effing Heatley, I’m an effing All-Star”

      • Sandy

        You forgot to mention Melnyk sold the team. Even in your dreams -or your parallel universe — Alfie is not in Ottawa if Melnyk owns the Sens..

        • whammer44

          Sure. You can have your parallel universe I’ll have mine.
          In mine, the CTC is made of chocolate and beer comes out of the water fountain, so I choose to have Melnyk and Alfie as best pals!

          • Zelle

            I heard Alfie bought a place in Barbados with the extra money Melnyk gave him in thanks for him being a life long Senator.

          • Doc

            TAKE ME TO THIS PROMISED LAND.

  • Hax

    So in round 1 I had two picks exactly (Bruins in 5, Hawks in 6) and got three other winners right (Ducks, Kings and Penguins). I also had Avs, Flyers and Lightning winning.

    How did everyone else do?

    I’ve got Hawks vs Ducks in the West finals and Bruins vs Flyers in the East (so now I guess going with Penguins).

  • ProfessorPower

    Honestly I dont think FLA is on Spezzas list. I wonder whats gonna happen with ROR in Colorado, If we could get him for Spezza that would be great.

    I still think Chris Stewart is a good option as well..something like:

    Macarthur-Turris-Stone
    Stewart-ROR-Ryan
    Hoffman-Zibanejad-Lazar
    Greening-Smith-Neil

    • Senatollah

      Fixed:

      Macarthur-Turris-Ryan
      Stewart-ROR-Zibanejad
      Hoffman-Lazar-Stone
      Greening-Smith-Neil

      • ProfessorPower

        YES..Me like….that team looks good lol Beastly second line

      • Doc

        Counter:

        MacA-Turris-Ryan
        ROR-Zibby-Stone
        Hoffman-Pageau-Condra
        Greening-Smith-Neil

        Lazar back in juniors.

        • FistsofNeil25

          All three of you are disqualified for having the Greening-Smith-Neil trio in you line-ups!

          • Doc

            They’re not going anywhere, man. Gotta live with’em.

            And I have no use for guys like Stewart who brings little value to the team. I do like those lines though.

            Sexy lines of awesome.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I fail to see the appeal. I think the bottom six is terrible.

          • Doc

            You do realize we can’t just send down everyone in Bingo right? They are on contract and will play with the big club. Period.

            That being said, I’m not sure why you think this is terrible. It shelters the fourth line in a role (and TOI) which is more suited to their skill set. And that third line has speed, great defensive skill and a bit of scouring touch to boot.

            Players won’t magically disappear because you don’t like them.

          • Hax

            Yeah the Smith line (any variation) would be one of the best fourth lines in the league if they only were part of a lineup that allowed them to play as a fourth line instead of a third or second-and-a-half line. In fact, Smith is the best of them IMO so if we’re talking fantasy I’d love to see Smith on the third line and a real fourth line center brought in. Turris-Zibanejad-Smith is a decent top 3 centers if they get the right people on their wings.

          • Doc

            Agreed. Smith is also underrated because he was misused this season and always had plugs on his wings.

            He’s the perfect mold for a fourth (or third depending on role) line center.

            Good defensively, good at face-offs, hits, and can score you a few. Also signed to a very nice contract.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Would you say our bottom six was a strength or weakness this past season? I would say it was a big weakness. They weren’t responsible enough defensively and they didn’t add secondary scoring on a consistent enough basis.

            So what was our bottom six this past season? Zibanejad, Smith, Greening, Neil, Condra, Conacher, and at times, Pageau, Hoffman, Grant, and Kassian.

            So how is Hoffman-Pageau-Condra, Greening-Smith-Neil an upgrade over what we had last year.

            Hoffman is an unknown. He has shown some promise but really, he hasn’t demonstrated that he’s an upgrade over Conacher. Not yet anyway. Pageau hasn’t shown that he’s capable of being a full time NHL player. Condra is a very good FOURTH line player.

            Don’t even get me started on Greening-Smith-Neil as line. I still have nightmares about them.

            I don’t magically expect any of these players to disappear because I don’t like them. I like Hoffman-Pageau-Condra-Smith and Neil in moderation. Greening is a plug.

            All I’m saying is I see nothing appealing about that bottom six. I think it’s well below average in the NHL due the fact that we don’t have many quality third line players. Just a bunch of fourth liners.

          • Doc

            So you listed 10 players that rotated on the bottom 9 and all of them did a horrible job, right? You can’t lump everyone together like that.

            Hoffman IS an upgrade to Conacher and the EXACT reason why they let him go. The more he got comfortable with the big club, the better he played. He’s ready for the big show and brings an element which we are lacking which is speed.

            By all accounts, management have only good things to say about Pageau since they sent him back to work on his game. Go listen to Lee and Richardson’s last interviews when they talk about the bingo buys and Pageau is always the one that they talk about the most. He’s been playing bigger roles in Bingo, from PK to PP, putting up points all the while being sound defensively. I think putting Hoffman on his wing really complements both players skill sets, and Condra while help them drive possession while keeping our shots against low.

            Sheltering the fourth line of Greening-Smith-Neil is exactly what they need. Give them a specific role and let them do it well without adding other responsibilities. Their job is not to score. Never was, never will be.

            We’re not a contending team where we can have top 6 guys playing in our bottom 6. We have to live with what we got, but by using the players to their strength, there’s no reason why they can’t be successful.

          • FistsofNeil25

            First of all what makes you think for a second that our coaching staff would use Greening-Smith-Neil as our fourth line with sheltered minutes? They were used as our third line all this season, and unless we find a way to upgrade the rest of our bottom six, they will likely be used as the third line again.

            And I’m not lumping all the players together and saying they did a horrible job. Individually, some of them were good and some of them weren’t, but overall as a unit, they didn’t live up to expectations.

            I agree we have to live with what we got, but there’s nothing appealing about it. I also agree that we aren’t a contending team, that’s why I disagreed about the bottom six being “sexy” – as you put it.

            I think if our bottom six is Hoffman-Pageau-Condra, Greening-Smith-Neil, we can expect another season of disappointment. Nothing sexy about that.

          • Doc

            They played as the third line because we had no one else, and they were doing what they were told, which MacLean rewarded with TOI (he admitted that he made mistakes this season). Heck, you could argue that they were used as a second line for some games. *shivers*

            I don’t see how they could put guys like Hoffman or Pageau on the fourth instead of the GSN line. Hoffman has been in the top 6 since he was brought back up. Again, TOI will determine the lines.

            I disagree in your assessment, especially of the Pageau line. Not sure what you are expecting of a third line in terms of responsibilities or point production, but that line looks pretty good on paper.

            You say you dislike the lines, but you don’t counter with your own solution. Remember that this was what I would do, not necessarily what is going to happen. The ‘sexy’ part was for the whole lineup, not just the bottom six. And yes, that’s a sexy lineup of awesomeness ™.

            I also had O’Reilly in our top 6, which won’t happen and is just wishful thinking at this point. Was merely pointing that we could ice a competitive lineup with a few tweaks.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Gotchya.

            Well to clarify I really like the line of Hoffman-Pageau-Condra, but in an ideal world, they would be used as the fourth line and totally tear apart the competition.

            To me, your third line should be responsible for playing big even strength minutes to shutdown the oppositions best offensive players while still contributing some secondary scoring. I don’t feel confident sending out Hoffman-Pageau-Condra or Greening-Smith-Neil to do that job. neither of those lines match-up well against the oppositions best lines, as we saw that this year with GSN.

            So as for what I would do, I would find a way to get rid of Greening, because I think he’s the most useless player on the roster and provides horrible value for 2.7 million per year.

            I would us a fourth line of Hoffy-Pageau-Condra/Neil (use Condra and Neil as the 12th and 13th forwards) and find two quality defensive players to join Smith on the third line. Whether those players are found through trades or free agency, I think an upgrade is definitely necessary if we’re going to be a competitive team.

          • Doc

            Fair enough!

            That Greening contract will come back and bite us in the ass. Funny thing is that supposedly the player that garnered the most interest at the deadline was Greening according to Murray. Now, that might just be setting up the market for him this summer, but it’s interesting nonetheless.

            Looking forward to this off-season and see what type of changes are made. Hopefully we do get some changes to help fill our current needs. Sad part is that the Free Agent market is pretty bare this year, so the trade route would be the better option.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Yah I agree. I’m really excited for the offseason. I’m hoping Murray can be aggressive this summer and make some moves to fill the holes and give us some hope for next year. I think it’s a long shot to contend but our goal should still at the very least be to make the playoffs. I know that sounds crazy considering we’re about to lose our entire first line but that’s what Eugene expects and that’s what fans deserve.

            I know the free agent market looks pretty bare but you never know. Murray may be able to find another diamond in the rough like MacArthur.

          • Jakester

            The bottom six will change big time this year!

          • Zelle

            Agreed though as one line they shouldn’t play together in my opinion. Greening is bad in his own zone, Neil is slow to get out of the zone and often fumbles the breakout.

            Greening – Pageau – Condra (big body, hockey IQ/speed, puck possession) and just tell Greening to sit his ass in front of the opposing net.

            Hoffman – Smith – Neil (speed/shot(it will come), faceoff/breakout/setup, big body) and just tell Neil to sit in front of the net, which he already does anyway.

          • Doc

            Hoffman is more suited for a top 9 role, plugging him with Neil is just harsh! But I do get your points.

          • Zelle

            I know I would honestly _hate_ doing that to the kid because he deserves better, but Neil and Greening together with any C has just been awful to watch. But Neil needs to stay on the fourth line, Greening can’t play RW or C (to my knowledge) so you’re kind of left with not many options.

          • sprucesens

            sort of on the top 9 comment. I feel that’s the way teams should be built more now, is top 9 and bottom 3, rather than top6 bottom6. You really only 1 bang and crash bottom line, unless you can get all 4 lines doing that, while scoring. If not, 3 scoring threat lines that are balanced and tough to play against, then 1 line that just puts fear into the opponent, and can play solid defensively. If they can’t do the fear thing, they have to be damn good at getting the puck out of our end and stopping their scorers, ie maybe a line of pageau-Smith-Condra would be a good defensive line, but not a bang and crash 4th. Where as the GSN line SHOULD have been a line to fear, but wasn’t. anywho, just my thoughts on what the teams that win the cup seem to be doing.

        • ProfessorPower

          I doubt Lazar goes back to junior. And Condra should not be in any lineup

          • FistsofNeil25

            Condra > Greening

          • ProfessorPower

            I would be happy if both of them left.

          • Jakester

            They both suck.

          • I’m just sayin’

            Condra is paid peanuts – exactly the kind of player that
            Eugene Pinchpenny wants

          • Doc

            I strongly disagree about Condra.

            His stats say (prove) otherwise.

            *note: not talking about points*

          • Zelle

            If he would have more points fans would be singing his praises. He does everything else right.

          • Doc

            He does.

            He excels at his job which is being sound defensively while driving possession. He’s a wizard in that regard. Very underrated player in the fan base because he doesn’t put up points.

          • ProfessorPower

            Condra is only good for the penalty kill. Easily replaceable. One of the major players blocking young talent from the lineup. Doesn’t do ‘everything else right’ – he only is good at penalty killing. doesn’t hit, doesn’t fore check, weak passer, worst shot on the team (power and accuracy), small body, doesn’t agitate, not a predominant leader, and most of all better players can take his position on the team.

            Not about his points..hes simply a meh NHL player. And that should be obvious to every GM in the league as he hold zero value in the trade market.

            ps I dont care for Greening much either, would be happy to see them both replaced.

          • Zelle

            He throws hits just not many. I haven’t really noticed any ‘weak’ passes. Agree with the worst shot, but that can be learned if they put time into him. He’s not a ‘wow’ player and I doubt anyone here will argue that he is, but he’s a stable player that won’t hurt your team defensively, can drive puck possession to breakout of the zone or keep it in, and he’s not keen to IQ lapses that Cowen and Greening seem to have. Replaceable? Definitely. He’s a bottom six NHL player, not many of those aren’t replaceable.

          • Jakester

            Let’s evolve, he’ s nowhere near being a third liner and I’d much rather have a guy who can forecheck with vigor(actually lay a bodycheck) on the fourth line. He was a stopgap player, we have better options now than this guy!

          • Sandy

            The coach likes Smith and Condra.. So I assume they are two of the bottom 6 that are safe… Neil too most likely. That would be a big no-no for fans if they ever trade Neil…

          • sprucesens

            neil probably only has 2-3 more years as a senator, and that number will decrease drastically if he becomes more of a liability. not that I don’t like the guy, but his play style means his body gets banged up fast. And its starting to show. I don’t think fans would be too torn upon neil being traded. Alfie is gone, spezza is gonna be traded, heatley was traded, hossa was traded, Phillips was resigned. lol, on the last one. Fans come back, and have stomached much worse than trading a 4th line grinder. Just because we all like what he has stood for, doesn’t mean he can do it forever.

          • sprucesens

            chara let walk, redden resigned…

          • peetypuck

            Everybody, just keep your hands off Neiler.
            Nobody is trading him. The rest of the team you can trade.

          • Hax

            I’m too lazy to check but I don’t think he’s eligible for the AHL and I really don’t want to rush/ruin him. I’m not saying he won’t make the NHL team but I’d only pencil him right now and err on the side of sending him back to junior.

          • Doc

            That’s also my point of view.

            He’s tearing it up right now, but next season it’s either back to juniors or up with the big club.

            I’d rather give him more time than to have him rushed up here.

          • A-Train

            yes … let him grow another year. maybe he’d be a WHL captain next season…play another WJC in a prominent role … grow a little bigger.

          • ProfessorPower

            I would like for him to be the Captain of the WJC team, for me I thinks hes physically and mentally mature for the Big Club. But he does have to earn his spot, Im just betting on the fact he does. I dont think hes your regular prospect, hes a a landeskog type (not in terms of exact playing style, but in terms of physical maturity and character). Both do however have a game suited for the NHL, thats why I see him up next year

          • FistsofNeil25

            I can see it as well! I think he will at least get a try-out to start the season in the NHL before they send him back to junior.

          • Doc

            Will probably get his 9 games like they all do.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Yep, and then we can assess whether or not he’s ready for the show.

          • Doc

            Yup. I’ll let management do their thing!

            Kid oozes potential though, that’s for sure. Our current best prospect in the system by far.

        • Senatollah

          I think he gets his 9 games then back too. Just sick of seeing Ryan on line two. Cant believe how many people think Slow Stone is better than Ryan.

          I would love to see Zibby as our 2nd line centre but not sure he is ready for it. He may need one more year on centre and wing before he has his breakout year as a full time 1st or 2nd line centre.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Then who’s going to be our second line center? Also, if it makes feel better whatever line Ryan is on will be considered out first line. Say we acquire Ryan O’Reilly like mentioned above:

            Ryan-O’Reilly-Zibanejad
            Mac-Turris-Stone

  • WaitingSince92

    Don’t think we would deal him to a team in the east. Hope not, anyway.

    • Doc

      I’m still hoping he lands in Colorado so we can snatch up one of their young guys.

      I know Uncle Euge won’t open up the wallet but O’Reilly would look REAL nice on Zibby’s wing.

    • ProfessorPower

      Agreed. The West has better players anyway

    • Jakester

      Who cares get the best return, send him anywhere.

      • NOBODY can play with Spezza

        Agreed – I think he’ll end up back in the East though.

        Back – hip – groin – (anything else I forgot)

        He’s not tough enough for most of the Western teams that might have a use for him.

  • Sandy

    I just can’t see Spezza in Colorado with the pieces they have right now. They are going to be a good team for a long time.. so I just see Stasny & O’Reilly staying there.
    It will probably end up being St Louis or Anaheim.. which are places Spezza would probably go to…

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      I see absolutely no reason that Colorado would make a dumb trade….especially one where the get Spezza(not that he is a bad player, but they have more than enough pieces, and are SUPER young)….they made the playoffs, made it to game 7. Don’t think anyone expected them to be as good as they were.

      • Doc

        Problem is that O’Reilly is due for a hefty raise because of his current contract (offer-sheet). Same goes for all of those young guys still on ELCs that will be expiring soon.

        Right now O’Reilly is the odd man out for centers, which is why he’s been playing wing the last little while. They were also one of the three teams that showed interest for Spezza at the deadline.

        I love his game and think he would fit in really nicely on the Sens. But right now that’s just wishful thinking on my part.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          I would love him…I just can’t see Colorado being the final partner(unfortunately as they have SO many pieces I would love)

          I have a feeling(I know goinng on a limb here lol) Anaheim, LA, SJ will be where he ends up.

          • peetypuck

            Right off the bat we had St. Louis, Anaheim and Colorado interested in Spezza. Since then 3 GMs have been fired. That means the new GM’s will want to make changes. Then there is Florida and Edmonton that have huge pressure on them to make the playoffs next year. They will all be looking for top 6 players to get them over the hump. There will be plenty of interest in Spezza this summer. Murray might even be able to start a bit of a bidding war if he plays his cards right. I think the Sens will get fair trade value for Spezza because of good timing if nothing else.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            I honestly have no clue what we will get….knowing his age/injury history we shouldn’t get a tonne. At the same time the FA market is pretty bad this year, which could potentially increase our return….a few times losing in the playoffs earlier than they would have liked will increase our return as well.

            Should be interesting

          • peetypuck

            Realistically, he should have more value to a contending team that wants to win within the next couple of years but Talons job may be in jeopardy. The new owner Viola, has told him that he wants to see results. In other words…win now.

          • Sandy

            Maybe Viola should buy the Sens.. and Melnyk can buy the Panthers…

          • peetypuck

            haha, good one.

          • NOBODY can play with Spezza

            sigh – if only
            the Ottawa Senators will be a mess until Melnyk is gone

          • peetypuck

            Did you see Viola’s son at the draft lottery? I thought he just flew in from Transylvania.

          • Sandy

            If there are a couple of teams interested.. the return, hopefully, will be a good one..

          • Doc

            Indeed they do!

          • peetypuck

            Patrick Roy is not going to trade them either just to make some other GM happy.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Obviously not….which is why I doubt they are serious contenders

        • Sandy

          O’Reilly’s making 5M this season. I would expect he will want more.. So the issue with him coming here is.. .Melnyk won’t give him the money.. on top of giving Ryan money, MacArthur money, Lehner money, Methot money… etc…

          • Doc

            Yep, but his salary is actually 6,5.

            Arbitration is based on your last year salary, so you can expect him to get his big pay day REALLY early.

        • sprucesens

          i don’t think oreilly will be odd man out. I don’t think Colorado has to move anyone out. They are paying less than we are, and that’s with oreilly in the system. If he gets a 2 mill raise, which is lots, they are still bottom feeders, and keep all the players they have. No need to make a trade for them, unless they feel burned by his offer sheet. Duchene is already signed to a fairly cap friendly deal, as well as landeskog, and mackinnon is on ELC for 2 more years. no need for them to panic. I think the D all have decent contracts as well, but could be wrong

    • peetypuck

      Don’t forget that Washington, Vancouver, Buffalo and Carolina will all have new GM’s this summer. What’s the first thing a new GM likes to do? Make some trades to put his stamp on the team.
      Then there is the salary cap going up by $6 million apparently. Nobody will need to move players this year to stay under the cap ceiling. In fact most teams will be able to add another $6 million player.
      Several bottom feeder teams like Florida and Edmonton need to win this year…or else more GM heads will get the axe.
      Bryan Murray may have hit a sellers market this summer for top 6 players, especially a #1/#2 centre that puts up a PPG.

  • peetypuck

    No sense even bothering to get Florida’s #1 pick. We all know the Laffs will trade Clarkson and Kulemin for it.

    • Garrioch’s reliable source

      Jets – Leafs – Ducks – Hurricanes can offer some overpriced talent
      AND a top 10 pick for the number 1 overall

      I’m predicting this is the deal that Florida makes

      • peetypuck

        I don’t think the teams with the top six or seven draft picks will give up their picks and a good player or prospect for the #1. There is no franchise type player this draft and you can get Ritchie at #6 or Ehlers at #7. Talon doesn’t need another draft pick either. He has to get some players this year to make the playoffs.

        • peetypuck

          IMO, Edmonton needs to trade their #3 pick for a veteran top 4 d-man or a big, veteran, #1centre unless they want to remain a bottom feeder for years.
          The same with the NY Islanders. Garth Snow really blew it trading a 1st round pick and Moulson for Vanek without getting a long term contract. Who knows if Tavares will want to stay there now on a perennial bottom feeder. Snow screwed up badly. He better get a winger for JT before he loses him too.

  • Sandy

    Go B-Sens…

  • SensChirp

    http://goatd.net/73076/watch-binghamton-senators-vs-wbs-penguins
    Stream I’m using for the game. Not great though

    • Sandy

      4 PPs by WBS.
      Seems the BSens can’t stay out of the box either. Down 1-0.. goal scored on the PP

      • Zelle

        That must be where they learn it all. Richardssoooooon *fist shake*

  • Jakester

    Refs all over Bsens, so our team gets the same treatment in the AHL.

    • Sandy

      5 total penalties in the first period. No wonder they are losing…
      Just looked at the ages on the team. Currently with the team 4 players 25 yrs of age and older.. 2 of them rookies. Look at the ages of WBS team players.. Abou 10 over 25.. and a couple in their 30s..

  • Zelle

    The baby Pens feed was all screwy and the announcer was like “Monica. Monica?” for about 5mins lol don’t think they realized people could hear them.

  • Sandy

    Watching some of the Guelph-NB OHL final game.
    Ben Harpur (Sens prospect) paired with Matt Finn (Leafs prospect) on the blueline..

  • Tim

    Scranton has large number of NHL has beens on their team. Very few notable prospects. Game is being reffed by a Koharski. Nuff said on why the calls are the way they are.

    • Sandy

      So the B-Penguins are being treated by the refs.. the same way the Pitts Penguins are treated…

      • Jakester

        R u surprised, a real joke. Hockey is becoming less and less interesting because of this bogus reffing.

  • Deadly

    Another 5 on 3 for Pens. 2-0 now.

  • Sandy

    How can a player about 5 ft 9 elbow a player 6 ft 5? Unless the elbow is to the chest?

  • Michenator

    dangit B-sens wake up.

  • Zelle

    wow at that BPens goalie going down like a rag doll

  • Tim

    Not enough veteran talent on the team. When we won the Cup we had Benoit/Keller/Potulny /Locke/Smith and MUCH better goaltending

    • Zelle

      They need Rockstar Lazar!

  • Sandy

    Good goal?
    When are these GMs going to have the coaches challenge in a game.. and make goals scored on goaltender interference reviewable… Malkin just interfered with Lundqvist.. but the refs called it a good goal. Can’t review interference.. Suck it penguins.

    • Zelle

      That should still be a good goal though should it not? Malkin did touch Lundqvist but did not interfere with him making the save as the puck was already behind him. I think that’s the right call.

      • Sandy

        No… they showed a replay that Malkin’s stick moved Lundqvist glove so that he could not make the save on the puck. They were reviewing if a high stick made contact.. They couldn’t review the interference.. and it clearly was,

        • Zelle

          Well the analysts seem to be agreeing with you and Andrews theory!

    • Michenator

      Right call was made…

      • Sandy

        Not the way I saw it… You can’t stop a puck with your glove hand.. if the opposing player knocked the glove hand out of the way..

      • Andrews theory

        Right call based on ability to review, wrong call in that it was absolutely goalie interference and the ref wasn’t positioned properly to see it

        • Zelle

          So was the puck not behind Henrik by the time the contact was made? It’s tough to see on the angles they are showing. Goaltender interference needs to be reviewable because it’s very inconsistent anyway.

          I know Malkin hits the glove, but is it before or after the puck is behind Henrik, I guess is what would make it a good versus bad goal.

      • Michenator

        I think a player should be able to pursue the puck no matter where it is. Don’t interfere with the goalie but when the pick is above the goalie… well…

  • Sandy

    Just about over for the BSens… down 3-0.

  • Michenator

    B-Sens are gonna have to get real pesky in this one…

    • Sandy

      4-0.. don’t think so..
      Seems they are falling apart..

    • Zelle

      Hammond needs to make at least one game saving goal. So far he’s not looking too good.

      • Jakester

        Never been overly impressed with Hammond, they needed Lawson. Anyhow you can’t win if you don’t score.

        • Zelle

          Definitely. Not excusing the rest of the team but sometimes if your goalie can make a couple of great saves it gives the team in front of him some extra energy. 3-0 is no time for allowing a breakaway though that’s for sure.

  • Sandy

    Let’s hope the BSens can close out the season with a good period..
    Penalty time for the BSens = 22 min.. For WBS = 10 min…

  • Zelle

    Woo! It starts with one! Great goal.

  • Mitchell

    It’s too bad we couldn’t gain the entire Florida team. Have Florida players and money and just become a super team.

    Dream over

  • Sandy

    That what appeared, from what I heard, bad call on the kicked in goal, I think in game 1.. changed the outcome of the series for the BSens. Install better cameras….
    Was looking forward to another trip to Bingo.. I guess hopefully sometime next season…

  • Sandy

    Go Rangers… go Blackhawks…

  • Jakester

    Ok , well next up Spezza trade! Excitement at the draft, let’s hope!

  • Zelle

    Two goals to win in OT!

    • Sandy

      Fleury is so damn good isn’t he…. NOT..

      • Zelle

        Yeah unfortunately he probably won’t get the Penguins another cup. Well unfortunately for him, I don’t care if they get another cup.

        • Sandy

          So what happens if they lose out in the 2nd round again this season.
          Do they upgrade their goaltending?

          • Zelle

            I’m wondering that myself. I mean can they even afford it, cap wise? Anderson for Niskanen? haha

          • PraiseAlfie11

            I would put anderson up there with Miller and Neimi. Would they trade Niskanen for a top tier goalie? Who would trade a top D for a top goalie?

          • Zelle

            I have no idea. I only say what I’d like to see because I’m really bad with trade values.

          • whammer44

            Niskanen will be a ufa in July

  • Floridasensfan

    Spezza to Florida and getting the first round pick, hell yes, down side would set us back from contending short term. Players I hope are untouchable Karlsson Lehner Ryan MacArthur Turris Smith Neil Ceci Methot Lazar, obviously others I would like to stay but for the right return they could go.

    • Sandy

      You forgot Zibby…

    • Millennium

      Smith, Neil and Methot are probably not untouchable. Not likely they get moved, but they are probably well below the untouchable category. Untouchable should be reserved for franchise players, who are crucial to the longterm success of the team, and those three are ultimately replaceable parts in one way or another. Methot is obviously the most valuable of the three, but I could even envision him moved in a world where our D core depth was anything but garbage. The other names you list are guys you basically never trade unless you’re stuck for cap space or you’re blowing it up.

      • Floridasensfan

        True, I would not want to see Smith go because he scored some goals this year for a fourth line center and is tough, Methot I like as well as Neil, but you are right they are all tradable.

  • ghost of Moose Vasko

    Binghamton done – SIGH !

    How many days until training camp opens ?

    • Sandy

      Tooooo many.
      Next up.. after the draft… is the Prospect Camp.. That’s always good… that’s end of June-1st of July…

  • Aaron 2.0

    As you all know, there was a lot of talk around here about Spezza. Specifically, about his leadership following this season. A few posters here argued that the idea of leadership from the captain was over-rated. I’m not trying to re-start that debate, or offer any opinion one way or the other. Just thought I’d pass along something from the blog by James Tanner on Hockeybuzz. I don’t generally like that site, but his article about picking the next round “Costanza Style” caught my attention. For those of you unfamiliar w/ Seinfeld, it’s doing everything opposite of your instincts!

    Anyways, this exerpt is for the guys who thought the way the word “leadership” is thrown around is over-rated. Made me laugh. Cheers!
    ____________________________________________________________________

    Chicago vs. the Wild

    Talk about character! I am surprised Jonathan Toews ever loses a game, being as he’s apparently so good at leadership. Just the other day they were about to lose to the Blues and he told his team “we can do it” and they did it. The guy is like Bruce friggin Springsteen without a guitar or (I assume) social conscience.

    There is just no way the Wild can top this. Let’s not even get into the fact that Chicago is absolutely stacked, because talent is negligible and Toews could lead my former Atom team (and we were “D Division Finalists”) to the Cup.

    So the clear choice is the Wild. Six games.

  • Matthew Stevens

    Maybe????
    Pre draft:
    Spezza +Hemsky’s rights +3rd
    For
    1st overall (Flordia) + Kulikov

    Draft day.
    OTT: 1st (Ekblad) + S.prince + de costa
    For
    EDM: Eberle + 1st

    Florida gets 2 top 6
    Edmonton gets there prize D’man plus a former first rounder
    Ottawa gets a top 6 plus an upgrade in the prospect pool.

    It’s a long shot I know, but I could work.

    • Mat

      Edmonton needs their prize D man, like, yesterday. I feel like if they trade that pick, its for an immediate impact D. Perhaps they trade their 3rd + for Shattenkirk +?

    • Millennium

      RIghts aren’t worth more than a late pick. Spezza and Hemsky would need to be signed to a deal before a trade like that would ever work with Florida. They are getting robbed as it stands right now.

  • Sandy

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Travis-Yost/Binghamton-Toast/134/59839
    Not a very complimentary article about the B-Sens. Yes they took a lot of penalties..
    But they were without their top goaltender. Their top 2 points scorers. 3 of the 4 games went to OT.. and they were playing against a more experienced team…

  • Sandy

    So Montreal doesn’t get the benefit of the doubt on that penalty to Mezaros? Should have been both gone.. but of course not…

  • Sandy

    Curtis Lazar @CurtisLazar95 · 52m

    After a week of rest it’s finally time to get the finals underway! Can’t wait to hit the ice tonight and get after it #WHLfinals

  • Sandy

    So the World Championships start in a few days.. Turris & Methot are on their way to Belarus.. But Karlsson is still in Hawaii… is he not on Team Sweden?

  • Sandy

    So O’Rouke stops giving Habs the PP and Boston comes back to take the lead…

    I got mad and stopped watching.. only to have the Bruins score, score, score.

    Soon time for another Habs PP..It’s late in the game..

  • Sandy

    Another 2 goal lead lost and the game lost. It’s been a crazy playoff season for blown leads.. Makes it exciting..

  • rhume55

    Jonathan Huberdeau and the first overall pick for Spezza. Done.