Five Important Decisions Loom for Senators

SensChirp May 7, 2014 696
Five Important Decisions Loom for Senators

During his season ending press conference, Senators General Manager Bryan Murray made reference to a group of UFAs to be at the end of the 2014/2015 season and the important decisions the teams is going to have to make on each one of them.

For a budget conscious team that will hopefully soon see an end to their excessively frugal ways, these are decisions that will set the direction of the team for years to come. As Murray has acknowledged, not everyone can stay but making the right decisions with these five players is going to be one of the biggest challenges of Murray’s time here in Ottawa.

Jason Spezza. Bobby Ryan. Clarke MacArthur. Marc Methot. Craig Anderson. Three top six forwards, a top pairing defenceman and a starting goalie all up for contract renewal on July 1, 2015. And while each of those contracts won’t expire until next summer, the tough decisions will have to be made well in advance of that frantic Canada Day, just 420 days from now.

It seems strange to say it but let’s start with what looks like it will be one of the easier decisions. Jason Spezza. With one season as the team’s captain under his belt, it certainly seems as though Spezza’s time in Ottawa is coming to an end. Spezza will be looking for a new long term deal when his current one expires and it just doesn’t seem like the Senators are willing to do that right now. So the decision becomes fairly obvious. Murray has to see what the market for Spezza is like this summer and be prepared to make a deal. They won’t give him away but with a few teams already rumoured to have interest; this is a trade that should get done this summer.

Let’s have a look at the other four.

Bobby Ryan. Ryan has already made comments suggesting he is open to extension talks and is willing to start that conversation this summer. I’m of the belief that the Senators need to be aggressive here and get a deal done. It’s going to be expensive. It’s going to be long term. But if Ryan is genuine in his desires to stay here in Ottawa, Murray and the organization need to get it done. After giving up significant assets to acquire him last summer, he needs to stay put.

Three to go.

Clarke MacArthur. After the season MacArthur just had, this should be another no-brainer and a deal the team should look to get done sooner rather than later. MacArthur said all the right things off the ice and seemed to always be doing the right things on it. He’s a perfect top six forward and a guy that seems to have interest in staying here beyond the final year of his contract. Another season like the one he just had should put Clarke in line for a nice little raise from the $3.25 mil he’s earning in both years of his current two year deal.

Two more.

Marc Methot. Acquired as part of a deal for Nick Foligno back in the summer of 2012, the Ottawa native has been a key piece on the team’s blueline. Like many others back there, Methot took a bit of a step back this past season but he’s still clearly an important piece for this team moving forward. He seemed to have a couple run ins with Head Coach Paul MacLean this past season but the two seemed to be on the same page by season’s end. While Ottawa’s blueline is becoming a little crowded, it’s primarily with 5/6/7th defenceman kind of guys. There’s clearly still a place for Methot in the top two pairings. Again, this is a conversation the team should look to start sooner rather than later.  Seems like Methot could land something in the $4-5 mil a season range. Is Ottawa willing to do that on a 4-5 year deal? If not, they need to start to explore other options.

And finally…

Craig Anderson. This is going to be a tricky one. After a remarkable lockout shortened season, Anderson took a step back this past season and opened the door for Robin Lehner. Lehner had his moments but sort of struggled during his first real chance to take the ball and run with it. Lehner’s time is fast approaching and if not this coming season, certainly the year after, he should be ready to make the bulk of the starts. Murray likes the idea of having two capable goalies but does he like it enough to sign Anderson to a new contract? I’m not convinced. So as is the case with Spezza, the Senators have to be ready to explore the trade market for Anderson. Whether it’s this summer or during the season and towards the deadline, Murray has to be aware of the market for Anderson.

As fans, we really have to hope that each of these decisions can be made with one thing in mind- winning. If like past summers, the money becomes a major issue, this has potential to be a disastrous situation for the Senators.  Complicating matters a little bit is the fact that Erik Condra (UFA), Mika Zibanejad (RFA), Jean Gabriel Pageau (RFA) and Mark Stone (RFA) all need new contracts that summer as well.

As exciting as this summer figures to be, next year should be just as intense as the organization makes critical decisions on the future direction of the franchise.

How do you expect Murray to handle this group of UFAs to be?

  • whammer44

    Yes to contracts Ryan, Mac, and Methot

    No to Spezza and Anderson

    As you said Spezza gets moved. I don’t see a market for trading Andy. I would keep him with the idea of Lehner taking over the #1 role as the season progresses. BM can defer on making a decision on Andy depending on how the season goes.

    And I apologize for the trolling but this #31 on this list will be of interest to Sens fans…

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/jessicamisener/40-reasons-local-news-is-the-best-news?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

  • Zelle

    Agree with whammer44 yes to Ryan, Mac and Methot. No to Spezza and Anderson.

    I know the market is thin for goaltenders but Lehner’s time is coming and from his reaction to being sat I don’t believe Anderson will be happy with a backup position. Even if the return is low I think trading Anderson now will be best for the team long term.

    Keeping the MTR line intact should be the organization’s #1 priority. Second priority should be the signing of a quality third line shut down center. Finally this season should set up the situation for the D. Which pairs are effective, who to keep and who to trade. All of them save for maybe Ceci were below expectation this past season and so next season should show the organization who wants to improve and play for the Senators, and who is coasting.

  • Pasky

    Re-sign Ryan, Mac and Methot. Trade Spezza. Keep Anderson to start the year and see where we end up come trade deadline. If we’re in the playoffs keep in just in case of injuries. If we’re out of it then trade him for whatever. Next off-season sign or trade for a veteran back up and give the ball to Lehner. Someone in the mold of Biron/Budaj. Solid for 20 games a year.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    And to beat a dead horse…. If Murray wanted two highly serviceable goaltenders Anderson should have been moved last year not Bishop.

    Ryan sign to full length contract.

    MacArthur sign… Not sure how much.. Was arguably one of our top fw all year

    Methot resign… Although I think this is a wild card as he seemed to have a falling out, and pretty sure the team implied he may not be in their long term plans.

    Condra… I would assume he is gone as a ufa

    Zibby likely gets a one way

    Stone probably gets a split contract… Unless he really establishes himself this season.

    Jgp no clue… I just domtdon’t think there is really space with Turris, Zibby, Smith. AlthouI guess you could maybe slot him in on our third and ideally drop Smith to the 4th line

    • Zelle

      JPG and Smith on the same line would be interesting.

    • Millennium

      Hindsight may be 20/20, but even if we had moved Anderson and kept Bishop, we’d be having the same dilemma this summer that we were having back then, with a stellar #1 and Lehner still waiting for his shot. Not saying I wouldn’t like that kind of problem, but it still doesn’t resolve our situation long term. We would never be able to keep Bishop’s next contract and Lehner as well. The trade was ultimately a loss for us mostly, but the decision was pretty logical.

      I’d actually be surprised if Condra walked. He isn’t due for much of a raise, and at his pay level, he delivers great PK and possession numbers. I’d expect them to keep him around for around $1.5M, and move guys like Greening first.

      JGP is an interesting one. If we assume Turris/Zibby/Smith are locks, and Lazar can play on the wing in the top 6, there might still be room at 3C, but he’ll need to bulk up a bit, and perform more consistently. He might end up being a Bickell type playoff/big-game performer, but our team probably won’t carry that kind of player all season long.

    • Amanuel Dawit

      thats stupid Condra is super important to this teams PK, and he’s always one of the hardest workers on the team, hes not a guy that gets 60 points, but he does HIS JOB perfectly!

  • Glencho

    I know I’m really late to this party…but this is what I’d do going forward….and pardon for the novel. Here’s my plan for the forwards

    1st, KEEP Spezza. The best he’s ever played was with Alfie and Heatley. That’s a puck possession guy and a shooter. I don’t think it’s any coincidence that once Hemsky came that Spezza’s game got better this year. In addition to Spezza that means signing Hemsky is a must. the 3rd part of the line is a shooter. Spend money on a guy like Cammalleri and relive the 100 pt seasons (ok i can dream can’t I???).

    Line 1a
    Hemsky — Spezza — Cammalleri

    2nd. Resign Ryan and MacArthur to long term contracts. Those guys earned it. Being able to throw out 2 solid 1st lines will make this a very dangerous team going forward. This should be easier than step one as both of them liked it in Ottawa.

    Line 1b
    MacArthur — Turris — Ryan

    3rd. Resign Michalek. He’s now a 3rd line winger. I’m putting speed and skill on this line. Zibby will be the center between Michalek and Hoffman. Hoffman won’t hit as much but can use his speed to get into better possition and the other two can crash, bang, and score.

    Line 3
    Michalek — Zibby — Hoffman

    4th, Bring up Lazar. This kid has “it”. He can play protected minutes on the 4th line between two veterans that can play. While Smith is a natural center he can also play the wing and I like him there. I think he used his body better closer to the boards hammering people than when he’s in the middle of the ice. And with Neil you know what you’re going to get.

    Line 4
    Smith — Lazar — Neil

    What this means…jettison both Condra and Greening for draft picks for prospects…don’t care. What they contribute can also be done by guys like Hoffman and Lazar (seriously, he’s got “it”). The money saved one getting rid of these guys can be put towards the Cammalleri signing so uncle Euge won’t have to worry about his penny pinching.

    With this lineup, we’ve got 2 offensive lines that can burn just about any D thrown at them and 2 other lines with speed, grit, and can also put up the occasional goal.

    so ya,
    Suck it Phaneuf

    • FistsofNeil25

      If it wasn’t for the internal budget I would be down with all of that. Cammalleri and Hemsky will be looking at a contract around 5 million each and Michalek will probably be 3.5-4 mill. All three of those players will be looking for contracts with term, meaning it will force us right up against the cap when we would have to re-sign Bobby, Mac, Methot and Spezza.

      So while I really like your plan and the lines we would have, it’s very far-fetched.

      • xN1Cx

        This is true, but I wonder how much over-budget we would be. One correction could be to use Stone (not listed) in replacement of Michalek.

      • Zelle

        It also has two players playing on their off wing. Not sure how often that is done but Maclean doesn’t like it anyway.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I only see one player on their off-wing and that’s Michalek. Michalek played on his off-wing when he was with San Jose and two seasons ago when he was with Greening and Spezza. He’s played a ton of his career on the right wing.

          As per Glencho

          Cammalleri-Spezza-Hemsky
          MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
          Hoffman-Zibanejad-Michalek
          Smith-Lazar-Neil

          Stone needs a spot in there somewhere though.

          • Zelle

            I didn’t realize Cam was a lefty, but Hemsky is a righty, so just switch those two up I guess. Hoffman is a lefty and so is Michalek.

            EDIT: Stone for Michalek. Easy fix ;)

    • Millennium

      Sticking Lazar with Smith and Neil would destroy the kids potential and development. Its a death sentence. We saw it all year long with Pmac’s bizarre combos that dragged a bunchof different guys down to their level. Zibby and Spezza the most.

      Also, the cost of that roster is way over budget, sadly.

      • Zelle

        Actually being between Greening and Neil was the depressor. Smith on Zbad’s wing was pretty good.

        • Millennium

          Even so, its the wrong kind of development. Neil and Smith are bangers and agitators. Even if Smith has some untapped potential despite playing with plugs, the 4th line is not where Lazar belongs. You don’t develop a top 6 forward on the 4th line. You give him sheltered minutes with the style and quality of linemates he needs to learn to play with.

          Look at Niederreiter. NYI rushed him into the lineup to make the cap floor, stuck him on the 4th line with plugs, he bombed, and got written off as a bust. Minny played him with the kind of guys he needs to be playing with, and now he’s on their top line and looking quite good. Not all NHL experience is equal.

          Lazar needs 3rd line minutes, but with 2nd line quality players. It takes lineup juggling to shelter guys really well, but that’s what needs to happen.

          • Zelle

            Oh I’m not saying that’s where Lazar should play, but I just don’t think Smith belongs in the same place as Neil and Greening right now as I think he’s underrated for what he brings to the team. Lazar is a future star and should be treated as such. He’s already expressed he’d be willing to play wherever the team needs him so even putting him on a wing wouldn’t be a bad idea. I don’t think Smith would hinder his development. Not sure where Lazar would fit right now, but his tendency to hit and fight to stick up for team mates, although awesome, needs to be a big part of the decision in him coming up to the NHL where the bodies are bigger and the hits/punches are stronger. I don’t want him coming in scrawny and getting injured like Hall or RNH.

          • Millennium

            Lazar played wing at the Worlds and did really well. Of all our C prospects, he seems the most likely to succeed on the wing. Zibby didn’t really do great there, and I don’t recall Pageau doing great things there either.

            I’m not entirely sure he comes up this season, but I would be far from shocked if they kept him (unless he bombs training camp). His deployment will have to be careful for sure. He’s listed as 6-foot 200lbs, so he’s not tiny, but you’re right about easing him into the big leagues physically.

            And I somewhat agree about Smith. I think in the right roster, he could bring physicality and face off skills to a really good 4th line or maybe even a third line. In that regard, he’s a useful commodity for his ability to play up to the quality of his linemates. We just don’t have the depth on our roster that lets us play him in a scenario like that.

          • A-Train

            I do not see a single reason why Lazar should be in Ottawa this season.

            He should get a quick cup of coffee in the NHL this fall to show him what he needs to work on …. then go straight back to junior with the understanding that a spot in Ottawa is his to lose the following season.

          • Sittin’ In the Bleachers

            this makes perfect sense – well said

          • FistsofNeil25

            And what if he gets that quick cup of coffee in the NHL and stands out? Still send him back?

            The reason why everyone is so high on him is because he’s a more rounded prospect than most his age and he’s physically mature enough to play in the NHL.

            We’ll see where he is come September but I would bet that unless he has a really bad training camp, he will be in the NHL next season.

          • A-Train

            Look, I’m not a scout or a GM but it seems to me if he’s good at 19 he’ll be better at 20. I don’t buy the notion that another year in junior at that age stalls anyone’s development.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t think it would stall his development to go back to junior either but if he’s ready to play in the big leagues then he will be given that opportunity.

            Karlsson and Zibanejad were sent back to Sweden the year after they were drafted. Cowen and Ceci were sent back to junior the year after they were drafted. All four of those players made the Sens roster for the majority each of their next seasons.

            Of course, Karlsson, Zibanejad and Ceci all served time in the AHL to start and Cowen made the team directly out of training camp, which would have to be the case for Lazar seeing as though he isn’t eligible to play in the AHL.

            All I know is Lazar’s game is mature beyond his age, he’s physically mature enough to play against men, and Bryan Murray friggin’ loves the guy.

            The organization is has shown little concern about playing their youngsters in the big leagues before, I doubt we see Lazar sent back.

            I’m not arguing what would be best for his development, I’m just saying that there’s a very very good chance he’s a Senator next season.

          • A-Train

            Well yeah. I guess I agree that team seems to be tilting that way.

            Having him play with the Senators next season makes more sense in the context of a rumoured deal that would send a bunch of our other prospects out the door in return for Chris Stewart.

          • whammer44

            He could be their best player through the best part of the season…its game 40 and on that I would worry about.

            I also don’t see why they need to rush him. Its unfortunate that he has to go back to junior but another year of dominating there and captain of the WJ team will not hurt his development.

            Conversely, there is risk in being rushed into the NHL.

          • Shibal

            You got it wrong with Zibanejad. Zibanejad actually was his most productive on the wing this season because he got time on the top 6. When he was center this year, he was his least productive because he got less ice time than Smith and crappy linemates. Anyways, both Lazar and Zibanejad can play wing pretty well – Like Lazar, Zibanejad also played wing in World Juniors. However, Paul Maclean always stubbornly wants to keep Zibanejad at center, even though during the season there was plenty of times he had the option of putting him permanently in the wing position until the Hemsky trade.

          • Millennium

            Excelling because he’s in the top 6 and playing with better players isn’t the same thing as excelling at wing vs center. He looks more comfortable, and more dangerous at center. But I agree he also needs top 6 wingers and minutes. That’s why he needs to be 2C.

          • runningbear1974

            Zibby did really well when Spezza got injured… He filled in 2nd line duties just fine…

          • runningbear1974

            We were doing great as Turris->Zibby->Spezza … The problem is giving Spezza #1 duties…

    • The Apostle

      The problem I see with your KEEP Spezza. I don’t think Spezza wants to be kept therefore I don’t think he signs a new contract in 2015.

      So the decision is do we keep him for another year or get something back for him. Whilst i don’t think we get back the sort of return that we gave up for Ryan we should still be able to get two pieces that will improve them team.

    • not YOUR wingman

      Eugene Pinchpenny won’t be paying to keep any of Spezza , Michalek and Hemsky

      Signing Ryan long term will be the only big money deal this summer

      • FistsofNeil25

        sad but true

      • Sandy

        If Melnyk would not spend to put six top 6 forwards in the lineup long term — meaning top 6 players to replace Spezza, Hemsky & Michalek and signing Ryan & McArthur long term.. then he has no desire to win the Stanley Cup.. it’s all about saving money.
        What decent UFAs will want to come to Ottawa in that instance with no hope of winning. What good players they have.. ie Ryan & McArthur will want to stay.
        In two years.. if Melnyk won’t spend… this team could be in shambles and a shadow of it’s former self… if the key UFAs and RFAs don’t stay..

  • Hax

    I submit that one of the biggest decisions is with Lehner. I say lock him up as long as possible now, before anything happens with Anderson to impact Lehner’s cap hit. Once Lehner is locked up, find the best deal for Anderson (no rush) and start looking for a really solid backup. If your #1 is a young goalie, you can’t have a Thomas/Rask scenario everyone seems so bent on (which only existed a few years BTW). The only way to have two #1 goalies is if one is young/cheap enough to merit giving a bunch of starts to your “other” #1.

    Not saying we can’t get a really solid backup but he should be an actual backup – no question about it.

    IMO of course.

    • whammer44

      They have some time with Lehner and a 2 year bridging contract makes the most sense. The Lehner hasn’t really proven he can be the guy yet. I don’t think it makes sense to lock him up long term yet. Two years at $4-5 million makes sense and if he turns into the guy we think he will then he will get the big contract then.

      • Hax

        Well that’s sort of my point. After his bridge deal we won’t be able to afford him so we may have to gamble now on a longer deal.

        • whammer44

          Too risky for me. I know we are all paranoid about how little Euge will spend but I don’t think you can’t run the business like that. IMO If he’s good enough the Sens will give him the money. They may chintz on the back up as a result, but that can work a la Price/Budaj

          They gave too much money to Cowen before he had really proven himself and my guess is that will be a waste.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Agreed. Lehner needs to actually prove himself before getting any kind of long term deal. He’s still a very raw prospect and has a lot to prove.

            Some nights he looks like a star in the making while other nights he looks like he belongs no where near the NHL. Let’s see what he does this season.

          • WaitingSince92

            He IS a young goalie – not many of them are totally consistent.

            For every Cowen, there’s a Turris, so be careful. I’m sure glad we didn’t wait for him to prove himself before signing him long term. Now he’s locked up at a miserly $3.5m for four more seasons.

          • WaitingSince92

            Cowen had a more-than-atrocious year – no one would argue that. I don’t see why more fans don’t consider him a candidate for a ‘turn-around’ season. He got thrust in a role he couldn’t handle after major surgery. He’s a young d-man who played much, much better for us before this past season – not sure how people forget that.

            I understand the hate-on fans have for him, but is that really a smart opinion from an asset-management point of view?

            If there ever was a candidate for turning their game around…

          • whammer44

            Well I have to disagree.
            My problem with Cowen has to do with his skating ability and hockey sense. He is slow into the corners and his turning ability is not NHL caliber. His decision making is reflective of how fast the game comes to him…he can’t react to the pace of the game.

            Its possible it may be injury related but if it is I don’t understand how he was continually rolled out in a top 2 or top 4 role almost the entire season…doesn’t make sense to me.

            I would be happy to be wrong.

          • Zelle

            So agree with this. The game moves in seconds and he thinks in minutes. This is very worrying. My only hope is that it is related to his confidence because of his injury or simply over thinking plays because he is young.

        • WaitingSince92

          I like your idea better than a bridge contract. Seems more prudent to give Lehner a Cowen-like contract than it was to give one to Cowen…
          I’d be willing to gamble on him like we did on Turris, whose contract now appears to be nothing short of a stroke of brilliance.

  • A-Train

    The Anderson situation is interesting. Murray often refers to the Goalie Graveyard years and he’s loathe to revisit them. I’ll take him at this word that he’ll ride the Anderson/Lehner tandem for has long as he can …. at least till the end of the upcoming season.

  • Miguel

    I am really struggling with the notion that Spezza is gone for sure, and Ryan is a must on a long term costly signing.
    Why would this be so automatic?
    We have seen what Spezza can do here for many years, and when he was on one of the best lines in hockey we went to the cup final.
    I understand that Ryan played injured, but he was never as dominating as Spezza has been here in Ottawa.
    And one can easily argue that once we gave Spezza a real legitimate winger, he was back to leading this team to wins.
    For me the decline of Spezza is in direct relation to the shit wingers he has had over the past few years.
    Butler
    Winchester
    Condra
    Latendresse
    Kovalev ( way past his prime )
    MM9 – injured knee
    Greening
    and I am sure I have missed a few deadbeats, while Ryan has been playing with our best forwards, and still I am not sure that I would sign him over Spezza longterm.
    I really think this decisioni here is a critical one moving forward.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Miguel, Spezza doesn’t want to re-sign here. He wants out. He wants to move on.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      One way or another.. Be it trade this summer or signing elsewhere next Spezza is gone.

      Barring him staying next year and us winning the cup, that may be enough to sway him…

      • Miguel

        so your of the opinion that he is making the choice of leaving Ottawa, not necessarily us not wanting to resign him?
        If that is the case, and one can’t blame him, then yes we will have to cut our losses and move him this summer… I am only concerned we will not get full value, and if does go to a potential contender we will regret it.

        • whammer44

          Personally I think its mutual. Spezza wanting a trade saves the Sens the trouble of deciding if they should try and re-sign him. I think they are okay with him making that decision for them.

          • Miguel

            agree with this, but not sure he really wants out, he did settle his family here and I believe his wife is from here as well. But as you say he may have had enough and wants out, which does make it easier for Ottawa, but again I fear we may not get full value and may regret it one day.

          • whammer44

            For sure. This has potential to go seriously wrong.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          He has asked for Murray to explore options….so he is doing it a little bit more respectfully than Heatley did…but essentially similar situation.

          • s3nsfan

            No Similar situation, Spezza played out the bulk of his Contract, Heatley asked for a trade almost before the ink was dry.

    • runningbear1974

      For me, it’s obvious that Ryan is the more complete player… Hits, passes, shoots, defends… I’m not sure why people have different points of view, but for me, Ryan is obviously the right choice to build our core with…

    • Zelle

      Ryan is a 30 goal scorer, excellent passer, and 200ft player, why wouldn’t you want the Senators to sign him long term?

      • Miguel

        I am not saying that I would not like Ryan, but what I am saying is that if it were a decision between either Ryan or Spezza, we should not be so quick to make such a decision.
        Yes Ryan did well WITH OUR TOP FORWARDS, where Spezza had junk to play with until Hemsky came, and one could argue what line was better at the end of the season.
        Ryan may play a 200 ft game, but please lets not confuse his game with a Toews or a Bergeron type, Ryan does not have that pace.
        He too is more one dimensional than many would like to admit.
        And also one could argue that Stone did not look too bad with Turris and Mac either.
        Both Spezza and Ryan will look for big money on a long term. I for one am not completely sold on Ryan… perhaps his injury really slowed him down, and that is fair, but he is not the all around player people wanted Spezza to be either.

        • Zelle

          Ryan played with Spezza when they were both healthy and not much came of it. The reason Ryan was moved is because he clicked so fast with Turris and MacArthur. MacArthur was doing really well with Turris and got moved to Spezza’s wing, then both did nothing. Why is it that wingers with Turris excel while wingers with Spezza don’t and Spezza himself doesn’t excel unless he has top of the line wingers? Maybe I am too new a fan to appreciate Spezza’s old days, and 10 years from now if Turris deteriorates I will be clinging on to my memories of him outperforming expectations, but as I see it right now I would prefer Spezza move to a team that already has the wingers he wants to play with, so maybe he’ll be happy again.

          I like to point out that Spezza got a natural hat trick this season with Greening and Conacher on his wings. In fact two of his goals were the direct result of hard work by both of these players. So I refuse to believe that it’s somehow everyone else’s fault that Spezza seemed to show little interest for most of the season.

          • Miguel

            Ryan and Spezza less than 10 games, not long enough
            Turris Mac never had the luxury of playing with the Studs you claim in Greening and Condra… they could easily bring down anyones game!
            If you too new to appreciate what a PPG guy can bring, just have a quick look at what he did with Hemsky… or take a look at “All Star” 50 goal man Heatley did after playing with Spezza
            Hey you either are a fan of Spezza or you are not, and I get that, but be wary of what you wish for is all I am saying, and this love in with Ryan, can all come crashing down very quickly, if he struggles and has a 50 Mill contract under his belt with us…
            just ask Spezza Redden or any other of the Sens whipping boys.

          • runningbear1974

            It’s possible Ryan will just fall apart… But, so far the evidence is that: he’s a quality human being; he sets up plays; he shoots well; he likes to hit and get hit… He’s demonstrating the behaviours we want… Whereas Spezza is not demonstrating the behaviours we want, just some of the outcomes (scoring goals)…

          • Zelle

            I don’t “wish” for anything. I was always neutral on Spezza. Not a huge fan of his, but I can appreciate his offensive spark when he has it. My issue is when he chooses to have it. An elite player should be able to elevate the play of others, not depend on other elite talents to elevate him. I appreciate Ryan for the all around game that he showed he can play for a whole season even with injury. I don’t mind players that struggle to bring points as long as they are not floating. My favorite player became Turris very fast even when all sorts of people were bashing him for not putting up ‘enough’ goals.

            Fact of the matter is I wouldn’t be mad if he stayed just like I wouldn’t be mad if he left. But if he stays then he better not have any wavering in his commitment to the team and he better give 100% on the ice. If he leaves then I hope it’s to a team that has players he enjoys playing with, because he didn’t seem to enjoy playing with many of the wingers he had this season except for Hemsky.

          • Miguel

            here is where we can agree to disagree, I think Spezza still is that Elite player, that does elevate good players, but you cannot hope he will turn 7th rounders or undrafted players into 40 goal scorers, and that is what he had to work with.

          • runningbear1974

            I’ve said this a couple of times but no one seems to comment…
            Spezza plays differently with the quality of his linemates…
            If you give him good linemates, he skates to the boards and makes a pass…
            If you give him bad linemates, he makes a move and tries to score…
            So, as a coach depending what you want him to do… He’s a great goal scorer…

          • Zelle

            I agree Spezza plays differently with different linemates. Hemsky is the only one he seemed to be willing to talk and ‘strategize’ with.

          • runningbear1974

            Hemsky himself likes to pass, so they would get into a pass off competition :) Hemsky as a play maker was trying to set up Spezza… Which might be what should have been trying to do all along… Get Spezza 2 playmakers, and no goal scorers…

          • Zelle

            True, but he was tried with almost everyone on the team, so how many contracts do they have to take on to get him to play well? On a budget conscious team it doesn’t seem like a good strategy.

          • Zelle

            You are exaggerating what I am saying in every reply. When did I ever say I expected Spezza to turn Greening and Conacher into 40 goal scorers? None of Mac, Turris, and Ryan are 40 goal scorers and I think that’s a great line. Conacher when on Zbad’s wing had an immediate uptick in his play. Spezza seems to need an extremely specific type of winger in order to make use of his talent, that’s all I’m saying. That’s why I hope he goes to a team that can offer him that instead of spending an entire season trying to find some.

          • Miguel

            “An elite player should be able to elevate the play of others, not depend on other elite talents to elevate him”
            your words
            I say Spezza is an elite player that can elevate others as well, Heatley, Alfie, ( one of the best lines in the NHL ) and Hemsky… just do not expect him to elevate 7th rounders in Condra and Greening or undrafted players like Butler and Winchester.
            And yes it may be best for Spezza to leave the Sens, I just dont think it is good for the Sens
            and those are my words
            Agree to disagree?

          • Zelle

            Elevating them does not mean improve their goal scoring abilities twice fold or more. That’s why I said you are exaggerating what I am stating.

            I’ll have to look at the numbers more closely at home but just based on an overview, Alfredsson and Healtly put up points regardless of whether or not they are on Spezza’s line and although they are good numbers it’s not as though they didn’t have great seasons without him. Seems more of a complement to Spezza, kind of like Hemsky is. And I am not going to lie to you, I really enjoyed watching Spezza and Hemsky gel during the second half of the season and was more than ready to see them return next season.

            We can agree to disagree if you’d like. I appreciate your dedication to a player with undoubtedly great talent, but I also hope you can appreciate a bit of what some of us ‘not-so-much-fans’ see as well.

        • s3nsfan

          Yeah a sports hernia wouldn’t limit his compete level at ALL which occured in November and he still played a pretty successful 200ft game.

          • Miguel

            Yes it was impressive for him to play through an injury…. i get it….
            However I am not sold on 7 years at over 50 mill for this guy…not just yet… that is all I am saying

        • Sandy

          If it comes down to either one or the other.. this team is in more serious financial trouble than most of us think.

          • runningbear1974

            Spezza requires an entourage of 10million dollar players, plus his own high salary demands… For Spezza to be successful requires a 20million dollar line almost… That’s the problem…

          • bluebuyyoo

            Sorry. That’s complete horseshit.

          • runningbear1974

            Come on… It’s not ‘complete’ bullshit… Heatley and Alfie… 7million each… Michalek and Hemksy 6million and 5million…
            The fans of Ottawa have paid a lot of money for the services of Spezza…

    • runningbear1974

      From Murray’s perspective… Spezza is someone that was on the team when he became the GM, whereas Ryan is someone he had to go out of his way and pay a lot to acquire… Ryan probably represents Murray’s values more than Spezza…

  • WaitingSince92

    We need to sign Ryan, MacArthur and Methot to good deals – we will regret ‘nickel & diming’ them to take less than market value and they are weary after what happened to Alfie.

    I hope Spezza get’s us a top pairing D. Gotta hope for a player/prospect/pick in return, where the pick is conditional on him re-signing.

    Maybe I’m the king of wishful thinking, but an ideal situation would be trading Spezza and an asset or two (Prince, Pageau, Wiercioch, Puemple, Gryba) for a top pairing D and a top six winger.

    • A-Train

      So hard to judge the market for Spezza. There are the injuries, but there’s also the fact that a player of his pedigree rarely becomes available.

      I tend to think Murray is putting the Player/Prospect/Pick notion out there with the idea that he will drop one of those elements from his ask to get the player he really wants.

      • runningbear1974

        Looking how much value Vanek and Gaborik are bringing to their teams i think that drives up Spezza’s value… If you have a good team, and you bring in a super star, that has huge value… As proven so far by Montreal and LA…

        • bluebuyyoo

          Hmmm… A super star with huge value that can help a team get to the 2nd round of the SCF. I wish we had one of those.

          • runningbear1974

            In Ottawa, he has to play on the top line… Those other teams are more complete… Spezza would have to adjust to them… Here, everyone has to adjust to him… Spezza would be a much more complete player if he was traded earlier in his career…

          • bluebuyyoo

            You think Spezza is a superstar with huge value that can help a team to the 2nd round, but not on your team, eh?

    • runningbear1974

      I like the ‘nickel and dime’ approach… We’re not a rich team… Put money in development, and make trades and sign guys that you “save”… The guys you ‘save’ like Turris and Macarthur will be extra grateful for you, and will play extra hard… I don’t want people on this team for the money… Trade those guys that want the big money…

      • A-Train

        This is a noble notion, but not the philosophy of a contender.

        • runningbear1974

          Paying to the max isn’t a contending philosophy either…

          Toronto pays to the max… So, their cost is 64million, but their value is 50 million (i don’t know making up numbers)

          A winning strategy would be to pay cost close to cap, but have the value much higher than the cap… Which means, each player needs to get paid just a little bit less than what he’s worth… That’s a winning strategy…

          • Millennium

            Look up the numbers of the remaining competing teams. And look up the numbers of the competing teams over the last few years. There is a direct correlation between spending (smartly, think Boston, not Toronto) and winning.

          • runningbear1974

            Yes, because they have the quality players that are worth that amount of money… We don’t have those players worth that kind of money… So don’t pay that much… No one is giving away their quality players… We have to develop them… The worse thing to do is to sign people for more than what they’re worth… The salary will have to go up as the quality of our team gets better… I have no doubt that it will…

          • Millennium

            I agree with what you’re saying about the team as it stands now. We are spending about what we should be. Its that last line about the future where you and I disagree. You have your faith that Melnyk will spend when the time is right. I don’t. Time will tell who is right.

          • runningbear1974

            In the past he’s always paid for value… I don’t know exactly but since he bought the team we’ve been near the cap… Why is that you believe he won’t in the future? It’s just people’s opinions, and until i see him make such a move, i’m not going to worry about it… Not yet.. I enjoy this cheap team (except a couple of players)… Melnyk doesn’t even get credit for what he’s paid in the past…

          • Millennium

            Its more than opinion if you believe sources like Chirp, Garrioch and others who have contacts inside the organization. Obviously there’s a certain amount of speculation here, on both our sides of this argument, but the things he’s saying, the things the insiders are apparently saying, and the numbers all point to reduced spending long term.

            The big difference between the days when Melnyk spent to the cap, and the days of “spending doesn’t work” are the hundreds of millions of dollars he has lost in between. The guy’s net worth has apparently fallen by a huge amount. That’s a massive impact.

          • runningbear1974

            This team right now, is my favourite team ever… I love Turris, Ryan, Zibanejad… Of all the sens teams we’ve ever had, this is my favourite… So, i’m all for continuing in this direction…

          • Millennium

            I agree on that 100%. And if Melnyk spends to keep all their eventual large raises while still letting our GM get competitive complimentary pieces, then I will gladly each crow on this point.

          • sprucesens

            I agree on that part, but if you list the players you don’t like, its a pretty abysmal team.
            Corvo, Phillips, Cowen, PW, Gryba, Condra, Greening, Kassian, Michalek. Not saying I dislike all these players, but looking at that portion of the list, its certainly not something you see on a top team in the league.

          • Millennium

            I think its easy to skew that argument in one way or the other. I can say: look at Turris, Karlsson, Ryan, MacArthur, Lehner, Stone, Lazar, Puempel, Zibanejad, Ceci. That’s a pretty good list of quality players/prospects. Maybe Cowen can turn it around, maybe Hoffman has really stepped up. Wiercioch looked decent down the stretch. If even 10 of those 12 live up to expectations, thats the foundation of a contender for years assuming we re-up them every time they need a raise.

            You can find the optimism if you look for it.

          • runningbear1974

            I think all teams do have some of these players… I think Regher is similar quality to Phillips and he’s on LA… Boston is playing Meszaros and he’s similar to Wiercioch… Not all the guys are bad…It’s all about the details… Some are dumb and slow and that might not be curable…

          • sprucesens

            I don’t think anyone has ever said to pay someone more than they are worth. And aside from the Clarkson bidding war last year, most GM’s aren’t willing to do that anyways. Vanek will likely be the top $$ guy this year, and rightly so. Probably in the 8+ range, and rightly so. But yes, over paying players currently on our team doesn’t make sense, which is why it doesn’t happen. And sometimes quality players leave via UFA. That’s the first time in a players career that he is able to choose his own destination. That doesn’t make them bad players.

          • runningbear1974

            I’m not sure we’re disagreeing… I agree top teams pay more… I don’t think we’re top team… I think we’re building such a team, and we’re getting there… Better to develop than to make mistakes signing big UFAs that fail…

          • sprucesens

            yeah, I refer you to capgeek. Toronto is the one team in the top 15 I believe in spending, that didn’t make the playoffs, with Colorado essentially taking their spot. Oh, and Washington. The difference between a bottom team and a middling team isn’t too much in terms of performance on ice. But from the top teams to the middle teams is a massive difference. And that’s where the big contracts to top players comes in.

          • runningbear1974

            I am aware of this…
            The top teams have the top players that are worth the top dollars…
            We’re still developing… You can get a UFA or you can build from within… We’re building from within… And sometimes UFA or trade… And i’m ok with the direction we’re taking… We’re not worth more than our budget now… We’ll see what happens when our worth is more than our budget…

      • SensChirp

        The team you are describing will never ever win a Stanley Cup. But glad you like that approach.

        • runningbear1974

          We haven’t put enough effort in development… All our veterans are 1 dimensional players… We should have developed them or traded them…
          On the other hand, we’ll never compete financially with the big clubs, so ridiculous to try… Try a more well rounded approach…

          • SensChirp

            Not to get back on this topic but the idea that we are suddenly putting more into development is complete bullshit.

          • runningbear1974

            I thought we sacrificed this year for development… Playing Spezza on the PK and Phillips on PP… That was what we were attempting to do… We could have easily made the playoffs with a couple of little switches, but we didn’t… Because we’re developing a more robust team, which we’ve never been… We have too many 1-dimensional veterans that doesn’t make sense… We have to get rid of that attitude, and we need to build it from within, not just band-aid with UFAs…

          • Millennium

            you’re confusing player development with coaching strategy. This years headaches were, in part, due to Maclean trying to force players into a defensively responsible style (rightly or wrongly is moot at this point). That’s not development, that’s just the natural evolution and change of a team under a new coach (or in this case, a coach trying a new approach).

          • runningbear1974

            No… I listened to Maclean talking… He said “we’re not going to go out and get the well rounded players, and so will have to develop them”… His coaching strategy was for the purpose of developing more robust players…
            Maclean wasn’t coaching for this year… He was coaching for the next 3 years…

          • Millennium

            Right, but that isn’t the Player Development that Melnyk pretends our team is spending more money on in lieu of salary. That’s “free” in the money sense. Melnyk is throwing around Development as a sort of scapegoat to avoid answering money questions, because development is pretty hard to monetize for the public. Its a PR smokescreen most likely.

          • runningbear1974

            I believe that Murray sold Melnyk on the development concept a few years ago… And that concept is partially the reason he signed Maclean (knowing it will be young team needing emphasis on development)… Detroit doesn’t need this, they develop their players before they make the NHL… We’re not there yet…

          • Millennium

            I agree 100%, and no one here is arguing development shouldn’t be a priority. But it can’t be an either/or with salary. It needs to be both, or you won’t win. Period.

          • runningbear1974

            I agree, but you want to pay people a little less than their worth, as opposed to a little more than their worth… You can achieve this by having players who are grateful to your organization… You don’t want the players who are seeking maximum salary… Get rid of those guys, because their perception will be higher than their actual value…

          • Millennium

            I certainly agree to a point that fostering loyalty is good for a lot of reasons, including hometown discounts. But I’m not sure its fair to say that guys who want market value are bad for your organization. Not as a blanket generalization. There are certainly a crop of players who will demand inflated value, and put themselves ahead of the team, and those guys aren’t guys you want. But lowballing your stars doesn’t seem to end well either (see: Alfie). Its gotta be a balance in the middle between organization and player: offer competitive salary, accept something in the ballpark of fair to play for a team you like being with.

          • runningbear1974

            At some point i would love a good debate about Alfie versus Macarthur… Who’s better for our organization? Alfie at 7 million because he deserves it? Or, Macarthur at 3.5 million because he has to prove himself?

          • Millennium

            Well if GMs had a crystal ball, MacArthur would have gotten 5M+ and 5years from some one else if they knew he would produce like that (assuming it continues). You pay more for more guaranteed production. Macarthur was a bit of a gamble. He could have shit the bed and he’d look like bad signing.

            Not every player that has expectations to live up to, or something to prove, will manage to do that. Credit to Murray for finding the diamond in the rough, but you can’t expect him to make that strategy the core of their philosophy.

          • runningbear1974

            Yes, that’s what i want… Find gems, and develop… Don’t worry as much about the big names… Go for character…

          • sprucesens

            yeah, so if Ryan wants say 7 mill, its ok to resign him, but if he was a UFA and asked the same, it wouldn’t be worth it?
            My point is that some players are worth the money, regardless what organization drafted and developed them. If we can sign some of these players, or acquire them through trade, we will be better. If we just keep hoping late round draft picks turn into top flight NHLr’s we will be building for a long long time

          • runningbear1974

            I agree some players are worth it… Like Ryan.. But there are a lot more Clarkson’s out there than Ryan’s… And the Clarkson’s are the ones that are available… Absolutely, if a gem becomes available go for it, but that’s rare, and other teams will be competing for that…

          • sprucesens

            While developing your own players and drafting well is the key to best success, you HAVE to sign good UFA’s. I willing to say that no team has ever won the cup without signing top quality UFA’s first. If not, they traded to get them when they couldn’t sign them. Pittsburgh always brings in high quality rentals at the deadline. Boston signed chara, Chicago and I guess pitts, detroit all signed hossa. LA traded for guys like Richards and carter. Eventuallly you have to have good signings to go with your good drafting. Also, the only time we made the cup, we spent to the cap and had a ton of all star players. There is a reason we went to the cup, and were contenders every year up until that point.

          • runningbear1974

            Well i’m less optimist about the past and whether or not we were ‘serious’ contenders…
            We have been signing UFAs… We got Macarthur… Latendresse… There aren’t that many superstars that become available… Yeah, sign one if he does become available, and i’m sure Murray knows this… But, he’s also planning for, develop lots of prospects to either play or trade for qualtiy, as we’ve done, as we’re doing… I just don’t want to pay a lot for a Kovalev… But, i do want more Macarthur’s…

          • whammer44

            Right…in fact since we lost Tim Murray has the team hired any new bodies or just shuffled Dorion and Lee?

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Wasn’t there a table floating around somewhere that showed that we were actually in the lower portion of the league for scouting/player development

          • runningbear1974

            I’ve been watching our prospects… They believe they have a chance of making the team… We’re signing the university undrafted players… They are developing in our organization…
            I don’t know what we’re spending, but there’s effort, and expectations…

      • not YOUR wingman

        sooooo – you’re happy to be the New York Islanders North ?

        Exist but never compete ?

        Top talent costs top money

        • runningbear1974

          I’m happy with the Sens so far… I like our young guys… Hoffman, Stone… I like our direction… Lazar, Puemple…
          I don’t want Michalek, Spezza, or Hemsky… I don’t want Camalleri or Clarkson…
          I was cheering for Binghampton this year, i was paying attention… I’m paying attention to Oil Kings… My appreciation of the game as grown since emphasis on development…
          I don’t want a band aid solution like Hemsky… That’s bullshit… I want to build our team right, not buy our way out… So far so good, just need to continue and we’re there…
          Get rid of all guys who won’t develop…

      • Sandy

        So what you want is the Sens to be a development team for the rest of the NHL.
        When the good young prospects get developed in the NHL and start demanding a lot of money.. they should be traded to other teams for picks and prospects.
        How long do you expect the season ticket holder base to go along with that?

        • runningbear1974

          Chicago does this… They develop and trade… It’s normal… Focus more on development, and less on UFA bandaid solutions… I like that approach, because i don’t usually like the UFA skilled guys, but i like the guys we develop…

          Since this development approach, i’m cheering for the sens at a lot more levels, juniors, ahl… I’m enjoying the game at a lot more levels… That’s what i cheer for…

          • Sandy

            Chicago has a very talented core.. that they spend to keep. They added key UFAs to go along with the Toews & Kanes in the lineup (Hossa & Sharp to name a couple). But Chicago sucked for years to get the Toews and Kanes due to an ‘old’ Owner who wouldn’t spend money on the team. When he died and his son took over.. it turned the team around.
            The Sens have a good young core.. but will Melnyk be able to spend to keep that intact and then have the younger developing players put in around the core…
            That’s the key question..

          • runningbear1974

            Right, we’ll have to wait and see… Or start complaining about it now… So far, i like this team… I like the direction it’s taken…

    • Cactus Face Elmer

      not properly replacing Gonchar’s solid 20 minutes a game was the main reason that this year’s team did not make the Playoffs

      • Miguel

        sorry but I would not agree, he did not do much better at his 5 mil and minus teens in Dallas, he was not worth it in my opinion

        • SensChirp

          You’re not disagreeing with what he said.

          • Miguel

            sorry for the confusion… SG was not good the year we had him, and not much better in Dallas this past year. I do not think he could bring down our GAA by more than one goal a game, in fact, if anything, I think he probably could have made it worse for us in that department this past year, and made us worse off.

          • Captain Nitpicker

            HUH ? Gonchar was second on the team in scoring (only trailing Turris by 2 points) and was a decent PLUS 4 for the 2012-2013 season.

            Seems like a pretty good finale to me

          • Tooks

            12 of his 27pts were on the PP. 2 of his 3 goals were on the PP. Safe to say 5 on 5 he didnt really help much.

        • whammer44

          Thats not what he said

        • Cactus Face Elmer

          didn’t say that Ottawa should have kept SG – claimed that he played well (especially after EK got hurt)

      • runningbear1974

        I agree, if we had played Gonchar this year we probably would have made the playoffs, but there are a lot of little switches that would have done that too… We still wouldn’t be a much better team, we have a lot of development left to do…

        • Tooks

          ” agree, if we had played Gonchar this year we probably would have made the playoffs”
          LMAO…

          • runningbear1974

            Come on man… Don’t laugh at me… Yes, i 100% believe if Gonchar in the lineup we would have made the playoffs… What, we missed by 4 points or something… Gonchar would have stabilized a 2nd defensive pairing before Ceci joined the team… So, come one man, use your imagination…

          • Jakester

            Come on I would’ve driven Gonchar to Dallas, he was done!

  • RUSH RLZ

    “that will hopefully soon see an end to their excessively frugal ways” – I hope that is coming from somewhere….

    • WaitingSince92

      The way it’s written, looks like hope is the key word…

      • SensChirp

        It was. I think one more year of a budget conscious approach before things start to loosen up a little. Not saying a cap team but not at the floor either. And really, it has to with those new TV deals.

        • runningbear1974

          I agree with your timetable… It will also coincide with a better team that will deserve more money..

          • Millennium

            it will also coincide with a tipping point where if Melnyk doesn’t spend, the league will have legitimate concerns about the viability of his ownership, and the even the casual fanbase will start to notice the trend that’s been happening the last couple years. Next summer is going to be like an unofficial breakpoint for Melnyk to either pony up, or drop the PR-speak and admit he’s never going to spend.

          • SensChirp

            “the league will have legitimate concerns about the viability of his ownership”

            We have already reached that point.

          • s3nsfan

            If Charles Wong hasn’t been ousted then I doubt they’re going to oust a penny pinching owner.

          • SensChirp

            Yea, I didn’t say they were. Just that they do have concerns.

          • s3nsfan

            No no, I know, i just didnt’ want anyone else getting their hopes up lol

          • Sandy

            Well why are they not looking for a suitable replacement to Melnyk.
            He had the money when he bought the team.. But bad financial decisions and a costly divorce.. he took a big hit in the pocketbook.

          • runningbear1974

            I agree, in 2 years, we’ll really know what our team is about… Either moving up to elite, or falling back down again…

          • The Apostle

            I’m pretty sure that ship has sailed. When an organisation has to lease a scoreboard because it can’t afford to buy it and when the leaguehas to step in to help pay the bills I would imagine a red flag or two gets raised.

          • Miguel

            what! the league had to pay our bills under Melnyk? That is more than just a red flag!

          • Tooks

            Yep, you want the core to get much better and they will but they will also demand much more and thats where our situation in Ottawa sucks. They will leave for bigger contracts.

          • runningbear1974

            Right, we’ll have to wait and see about that… Or start complaining about the possibility now…

        • s3nsfan

          unfortunately if he continues to believe the team needs to operate under an internally imposed cap/ budget then no matter the TV deal nothing HAS to be done in the eyes of Eugene, unfortunately.

          • runningbear1974

            It makes sense to have a budget… It makes sense the budget is less than the cap… The question is how much less than the cap is a good amount?
            Are all teams expected to pay to the cap? Is that the belief?

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            If you want to win the cup essentially yes.

          • runningbear1974

            Chicago has to continually trade away big players, and let others go because they’re always working with big value players/contracts… We’re doing the same kind of shuffling but at a much lower level… We just need to continue to improve our whole asset pool so that it’s worth more… I feel we still need to do step 1… Which is have good veterans… Good leadership… Good core… Otherwise it’s just bandaid solutions… We need the whole group to increase in value rather than adding 1 or 2 high priced players…

          • Tooks

            Well its gonna take awhile for our young group of unproven players to get great value like Chicago, winning Cups helps. Our core group is nowhere near Chicago’s or any of the contenders for that matter.

          • Sandy

            Now it’s all about saving money.

          • Tooks

            Teams that spend to the Cap or close to it win Cups. Those that dont spend and are bottom half of cap spenders, dont win Cups.

          • s3nsfan75

            Not at all, I was simply saying that since he’s the boss, he doesn’t HAVE to do anything or spend anymore than he wants to, that’s it.

            I get a budget and considering the number of young players we have it would be pretty hard with the # of ELC’s to hit the cap.

        • Jakester

          For sure, that is CRAZY money the SENS will be getting!

      • Sandy

        Don’t hold your breath..

  • The Apostle

    OT: Matt Greene has seen his minutes reduced by the LA Kings during the playoffs and they have a number of good young blueliners in their system. It’s not out of the realms of possibility that they let him go to free agency.

  • s3nsfan

    In my opinion the following needs to be done, you need to get MacAurthur & Ryan signed long term to match Turris, that will be our best line going forward for years to come, with the possible (almost certain) departure of Spezza that line will be the go to.
    We have plenty of centres that will mature in to fine form, Zibby, Lazar, Grant, Smith, Pageau and DaCosta. That doesn’t even take into account who we get back for Spezza.
    Next getting Methot signed long term is again a priority. He had an off season as did the entire team. I believe he comes back with a great season next year.

    I won’t assume who we get back from Free Agent signings or a Spezza trade, however that being said I believe we’ll get some nice pieces to complement our top line of Turris, MacArthur & Ryan.

  • runningbear1974

    Assuming Zibanejad is our 2nd line center, who would be the best wingers for him?

    • runningbear1974

      Zibby is big and he likes to hit… Would be nice to get some really big wingers for him, and that can be our power line…

      • Tooks

        He hasnt hit anyone since his concussions, watch him and look at all the flyby’s.

        • Jakester

          Stupid comment!

    • Miguel

      same ones Spezza had, Condra and Greening :-)

      • runningbear1974

        Ok, that’s funny… How about Smith, and Greening?

        • runningbear1974

          or, Michalek and Greening… Would be nice to see the difference between Zibanejad and Spezza…

          • Miguel

            great point, I am all for hoping Zibby is a PPG game, but I really do not think he is there yet. And I really think that we will go from a team that would lose 6-3 last year to a team that will lose 3-1 this year, with some of these changes

          • runningbear1974

            It would be nice if Spezza would be willing to play left wing, and play for about 4 million a year… Spezza-Zibanejad-Stone could be a really good line…
            Spezza-Zibby-Puemple
            Spezza-Zibby-Lazar

          • Tooks

            Sure lets move our ALL TIME leading face off guy to the wing, lol. Come on man.

          • runningbear1974

            I’m pretty sure that’s the same reply i got last time i suggested it.. Too bad Spezza wasn’t more versatile… Come on… Come on man…

          • whammer44

            I have a dog. When he was a puppy I taught him some tricks. One was on a command he will lie down and then roll over. I was fine with that as he always rolled over and was happy when he finished the trick. A little while ago my friend tried to get him to do the trick and then roll the other way. He worked on this for about 30 mins. My dog tried to make my friend happy but kept rolling the same way. Both my dog and my friend started to get frustrated and in the end neither of them were happy hey until they went back to doing the trick the same way…you see there was nothing wrong with the trick. Sure it was a little of the same ol same ol but it was reliable and you always knew what to expect.

          • runningbear1974

            I agree 100%, you know exactly what to expect… Expect sporadic offensive flair, and expect defensive liability… Consistently…

          • whammer44

            Actually my point was directed at moving Spezza to the wing. Not going to debate Spezza’s strengths and weaknesses.

          • runningbear1974

            It’s too bad he’s not more versatile… We should develop our younger players to be more versatile… I also agree that Spezza seems to resist change…

          • Jakester

            Just trade him, he wants out anyhow!

          • s3nsfan75

            Michalek is leaving,

            I personally would love a young guns line of
            68-93-61

          • runningbear1974

            I also like this line… I also want Michalek to leave… Nice guy, but move towards the future… I don’t like his decisions on the ice…
            That would be a pretty young line… Hoffman-Zibby-Stone… They would have good energy…They probably all score over 20 goals…

          • Tooks

            Zibby’s top is what 13? Stone and Hoffman wont hit anywhere close to 20, under 15 is my guess.

          • s3nsfan75

            His top what production year is 13? So what that’s his ceiling he’s never going to get any more points than that? Isn’t the whole goal each year to try and improve over the year before. I doubt they would have drafted him at #6 overall if they thought his goals / season was capped at 13.

          • runningbear1974

            Yeah, he’s played fine… Imagine if he gets powerplay time… Yeah, it’s impossible for Zibanejad to get 20 goals, that’s just ridiculously… Come on… Come on man…

          • peetypuck

            According to TSN statistics Zibby scored 16 goal and 17 assists this season. A bit of improvement and he should hit 20+ next year.

          • Jakester

            Zibby scored 16 playing 10 minutes a game smartass.

          • Miguel

            as your 2nd line???
            wow we may be asking alot from guys with only one year experience… No?

          • s3nsfan75

            I didn’t say where’d they would slot in, maybe 2b, 3, depends on who we sign in offseason and what we get back from Spezza trade.

          • runningbear1974

            The 3rd line would have be pretty solid… Smith as center? Or, Da Costa?
            Smith-Da Costa- (quality player from trade)

          • peetypuck

            He’s played 120 regular season games in the NHL plus 10 playoff games. 69 games this year, 42 games last year and 9 in his first year. This would be his 3rd season coming up.

          • Tooks

            That line would get killed vs the better 2nd lines out there. They have nobody to fall back on or rely on when things get hard.

          • s3nsfan75

            There you go speaking like you know the outcome of a situation,
            they all are hard on the puck, fast and have good hockey sense, there is no reason they couldn’t compete.

          • Jakester

            Just trying to be annoying, lots of pent up emotion after another LAUGHS collapse right TOOKS????

          • peetypuck

            They couldn’t do any worse than the Spezza line did this year. I don’t think that both Hoffman and Stone would be on a 2nd line with Zibby. Maybe Stone and a veteran LW that Murray picks up this summer.

          • Sandy

            Then don’t complain when they struggle as a #2 line.. That’s a lot of inexperience…

          • s3nsfan75

            Why would I complain, this is a line I would be excited to see, with youth and inexperience comes mistakes and a big learning curve.

          • Miguel

            have you seen how some fans turn on some players in this city? Not you specifically, but for some fans one day they are a future 40 goal scorer, and the next day, we cant get rid of them fast enough

        • Miguel

          I think Stone gets a good look up there and so should Hoff,
          but yah that would be a very green 2nd line…. but all the Spezza haters who say he sucks, tell us we will get a top 6 for him, along with a top 4 D and a top prospect :-)

          • runningbear1974

            There are a lot of big gritty wingers in the 40 pts range… So, get one of those to play with Zibby, and Stone…
            Hoffman can be 3rd line with Smith…

          • Jakester

            Smith better be 4 th line center or we’ll really blow balls next year! At least say DaCosta or Hoffman as 3C.

    • Garrioch’s reliable source

      eventually – Matt Puemple and Mark Stone

      • runningbear1974

        Puemple-Zibanejad-Stone

        That could be an awesome line… Unfortunately it’s hard to judge these things without seeing them play in the nhl…

  • Sen John’s

    As much as I love the Sens, I really think we will be in trouble next season. I think they will trade Spezza for picks and prospects and also re-sign Michalek. So our team next year is:

    Mac Turris Ryan
    MM9 Zib Hoffman
    Greening Smith Neil
    and then pick 3 of Condra, Pageau, DaCosta, Stone, Grant, Lazar…

    Same defence and same goalies..yikes.

    Come on McDavid!

    • Miguel

      I have to admit I am in the same boat these days, after watching some of the playoff hockey, and thinking back to some of our games, we may be in for a tough year…. albeit I do hope for a little better than last.

      • Tooks

        You mean tough “years”…

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      If our year is even as bad as this I will be ecstatic with our pick. . Any of the too 11 or 12 are game changers… 2 in mcdavid and eichel are likely franchise players

      I really have no clue what to expect next season… There are so many potentially massive changes coming

    • WaitingSince92

      Probably be a top 6 forward or top 4 D in any spezza trade. Lots of suitors with lots of assets.

      What makes you think Michalek will be re-signed?

      • Sandy

        If they can get him for under 4M a season.. for one or two years. then you do it.
        You can’t lose 3 EXPERIENCED top 6 players out of your lineup and replace them with young guys expecting them to pick up the slack.
        It’s very risky and kinda unrealistic.
        I really like Zibby, Stone & Hoffman.. but just let them play and develop.. don’t put needless pressure on them to replace Spezza points..

        • Miguel

          yup could be a long year… and then I want to see who this city picks as the scapegoat and runs them out of town next.

          • Sandy

            Agreed.

            This fan base will not settle for multiple successive years out of the playoffs. Melnyk had better realize that..

    • Tooks

      Could you imagine if we actually did “tank” or play so bad that we land a Franchise player? Wouldnt that be amazing!

    • Jakester

      We’ll get something for Spezza and Cowen, so relax.

      • Sen John’s

        Believe me I hope I am wrong, but I just have a bad feeling….

  • sben

    I can’t go on tsn on my computer cause it is blocked. Can anyone tell me if hemsky won the play of the year vote thing?

    • SensChirp

      He did not :(

      • Miguel

        doesnt matter he is no longer a Senator anyway :-)

        • SensChirp

          He is not :(

          • Zelle

            Was there a deal confirmed or it’s just a matter of time?

          • SensChirp

            No deal confirmed, no. Not a free agent till summer time

          • Zelle

            Ok thanks that’s what I thought. I mean I figure he’s leaving but I was just wondering if there was already word on it.

          • Brutus5247

            July 1

          • Sandy

            He won’t stay.
            He will probably find his way to a contender or a team close to contending. Those teams got a look at what Hemsky did with a skilled centre like Spezza.. and they will pay.
            The contract he will get can’t be matched by Ottawa.. as it will negatively affect the contracts for other key players. It’s the budget thing again.. Can’t go over 56M..

          • Jakester

            Package Hemsky and Spezza, bye bye!

          • Miguel

            so chirp if we indeed do lose MM9-19-Hemsky, what on earth will this 2nd line be? I do believe that Spezza is still valuable, but nothing we pick up will be the equivalent of an entire 2nd line… we could be in for a long year Sens Army

  • 383

    I wouldn’t even care if we started the year with this top 6:
    16-7-6
    68-93-61
    We won’t though, but if this is worst case, that’s still a nice young 2nd line that has speed. Spezza will either be back and if not, we will have a top 6 F in his place.

    • Tooks

      No it wont, well not that I would complain, that would give us a good shot at McDavid or Eichel.

      • Brutus5247

        How you figure that? Last year without Spezza, KArlsson et more we made the playoffs and now without Spezza we are in the running for McDavid. Holy crack pipe batman!

    • sprucesens

      yeah, I can see it going good or bad. But even bad is good, if its nets mcdavid or eichel. like tooks said. I still think the 2nd line ends up being:
      UFA-Zibby-SpezzaTrade
      the ufa could be anyone, including michalek as the runnerup prize. But if that happens, I think stone maybe moves up and michalek down, but who knows. Looking forward to see what happens with spezza, because that’s the puzzle piece that changes everything. If we get a top6 or a top 4D… or a top pick with a top prospect, so on and and so on. Anywho, going to watch our top prospect in lazar, take on the winterhawks tonight. Go oil kings GO

  • The Apostle

    OT (again) when did David Rundblad end up with the Blackhawks?

    • Miguel

      he is with black hawks? Was it the trade deadline?
      he is not playing now is he?
      But I did notice another one of our castoffs Brookbank is playing for them. Huh a potential SCF and he cracks their lineup…. go figure

      • The Apostle

        I just did some wikipedia research Rundblad went at the deadline for a 2nd round pick (in my defence I was in Antigua at the time so wasn’t really paying attention). That’s his 4th NHL team now – makes the Turris trade even better.
        What is Brookbank’s Ottawa connection?

        • Miguel

          Sorry looks like it was Wade Brookbank, who was with the Sens some years ago, and who may be the brother of Sheldon who is playinf for Chicago now.

    • Millennium

      This year. At the deadline I think. 2nd rounder for him and Brisebois.

  • Miguel

    its just dawned on me now that if we lose Spezza MM9 and Hemsky we will have one first line and the rest will be 3rd and 4th liners.
    we cannot expect the kids to take on 2nd line expectations, and the rest of our plugs are 4th liners at best.
    We will need all you glass half full guys work overtime next year! We may be in for a long year.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Or maybe that has been part of their plan all along?!? I am trying to look at things optimistically…but maybe they have hoped for a top 3 pick in this draft since the rebuild started.

      • peetypuck

        If that’s the case then Murray should try to trade Spezza + to the Islanders for their 1st pick next year.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          NTC

      • sprucesens

        talk about looking WAY ahead. .lol

    • Sandy

      The prize at the end is the first overall pick…. or at least top 3..

      • Miguel

        ahh Sandy glass half full… we will need a full dose of you to get us through the year next year :-)

    • Deadly

      Spezza..minus 26, MM9..minus 25 and Hemsky ..minus 2.
      We sure will miss them but they can be replaced.
      It is time to move on,no matter what the cost.

      • Miguel

        fair enough Deadly, but what you see as plenty of minus’ from last year….
        I see as many 2-0 3-1 losses next year… dont know about you but if we are gonna lose, at least let me see us score a nice goal or two… plenty of potential low scoring boring game next year

        • Deadly

          Pretty goals are great , but moving assets before they have no value is important.Equally important is giving opportunities to prospects.
          Spezza will be moved ,MM 9 might be back.Never really had Hemsky.
          Pretty goal scorers from last year Turris,Ryan and EK.

        • Jakester

          At least it won’t be 6-4 and 6-5 losses. Don’t worry Sens will score plenty. We just won’t give up as many.

      • Jakester

        Nailed it!

  • Sandy

    Ryan and McArthur are a priority to sign.
    Ryan should come in around 7M.. McArthur around 5M.
    Methot should get signed as well… Not sure where he fits in.
    That stupid McDonald contract by Philly is going to hurt a lot of teams looking to sign defensemen. McDonald made about 500K this season.. Next season it’s 5M. Ridiculous.
    I did not watch the Habs-Bruins game last night… as I refuse to watch one played at the Bell Centre. Too hard on the blood pressure — seeing what those Habs get away with. . The NHL needs refs in that arena that are not intimated by the fans — that aren’t afraid to call penalties on the Habs late in a game. If a penalty is a penalty for all teams.. then you call that penalty late in the game. Moen on Iginla.. and the Subban knocking the goal off.
    It’s like they know nothing will be called against them late in a game at the Bell Centre… so they will hook, hold, interfere.. whatever and get away with it…
    It’s going to be real hard for Boston to fight through that. They will have to get up about 3 goals late to ensure they get through the latter part of a game there..

    • Miguel

      That was absolutey an embarrassment for the NHL!
      we sens fans see it many times a year, but how many times does this team get away with the shiit they do, is borderline WWF! Brutal for Bruin fans

    • runningbear1974

      I’m hoping Ryan at 6.5 million and McArthur at 4 million…

    • Zelle

      I also disagree with that non call, however I think it’s the rule that’s broken and not the refs in this particular instance. No rule should leave the ‘intent’ to the referee. Either it’s a penalty or not, accidental or not.

      Additionally the Bruins played a bad game. They showed up for maybe 10mins? I’d be pissed as a Bruins fan after last night’s performance. Two breakaways resulting in two breakaway goals. They need to wake up or they will lose this series.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    There are so many decisions coming up. What’s evident to me and hopefully Melnyk is that the cheap pipeline is pretty much exhausted. I hope his budget doesn’t force the Sens to move a good young player because of not wanting to pay them full market value.

    In my opinion the pieces to build the team around are..

    Tier 1: Turris, Karlsson, Ryan, Zibanejad, Lehner, MacArthur, Lazar, Pumpel, Ceci

    Tier 2: Cowen, Weicioch, Pageau, Methot, Hoffman, Stone

    Tier 3: Everyone else… All other pieces are replacable

    • Zelle

      Completely agree! Except I haven’t seen enough of Pumpel yet. I also think that your ‘Tier 2′ group could be added to Tier 1 or Tier 3 depending on their performance this coming season.

      • runningbear1974

        Puemple is the first goal scorer coming up through our organization… I expect a lot from him… Slowly and quietly…

        • Dirk-Diggler

          Yes, i agree. Puempel and Stone are going to be scoring wingers for the Sens on the 2nd line in a few seasons and will be pushing MacArthur for his spot beside Turris. I think the Sens are in great shape up front actually.

        • Zelle

          Oh that’s exciting!

          I know people are bummed about basically losing a whole top 6 line, but I’m excited for the team and don’t mind waiting a couple of years until Lazar has one or two seasons under his belt before we’re considered contenders. I’ll still buy tickets. The only way I’ll completely rage is if they let one of the ‘tier 1′ guys go because of money.

          • Sandy

            Well isn’t that what’s happening now? And what happened with Alfie?

          • Zelle

            I was upset about Alfie, but giving Phillips that extension seems to mean they know they fucked up. Also big difference between Alfie, who is about to retire, and guys who have yet to hit their prime and seem to grow each year. Obviously they fucked up there though.

            Apart from that, Hemsky never seemed to consider staying long term and Spezza’s issue doesn’t appear to be money (I could be wrong).

          • Jakester

            Sandy stop crying, the hockey will be exciting, and played with passion, no more floating around!

    • Jakester

      You can put Stone in the first group.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Spezza – traded for hopefully Larsson (or another young player that will be entering his prime eg, Josi, Gudbranson, Myers)

    Ryan – 8 year deal at $6.75 per season

    MacArthur – 4 year deal at $4.5 per season

    Methot – Traded if Cowen and Weircioch develop and take his place along with the D man we get from the Spezza trade

    Anderson – Traded for a pick and I would love it for the Sens to sign Thomas (always plays well at CTC, he says the lighting is perfect for him)

    • Sandy

      I don’t think Thomas wants to play in a Canadian ‘fishbowl’. If he thought it was bad in Boston — they have nothing on playing in Canada..
      IF Spezza is traded.. my guess is Murray would prefer out West. Could Anaheim.. if they lose in 4 straight or St Louis are probably the landing spot…

  • Mack

    In regards to Lazar going back to the WHL, he will be too old. He’s 20 now and playing so can’t play there anymore. He’ll play in the NHL or AHL. This is his last year in junior

    • peetypuck

      His birthday is Feb 02 1995. That makes him 19 and he won’t turn 20 until next February. I think he must turn 20 before the end of December to qualify to play in the AHL.

    • sprucesens

      everyone else that has posted the exact opposite. Its either WHL or NHL for him. Not sure who is right, but others have posted exact reasonings for it. But they could be wrong too

  • TookieIs100PercentRight

    5-7 years for Ryan.
    2-3 years for Mac.
    1-2 years for Methot.
    Bye Andy and Spezza.
    Reasoning: Ryan has shown consistency and has thrown himself behind the team, reward that.
    Mac is streaky and has bounced around a lot. I see him capping at 45-50 points, maybe 60 on a good year. I wouldn’t sell the farm to keep him as we can replace that internally.
    Meth has back issues right? Not sure I want that on my blueline and he had his differences with MacLean (He’s injured No I’m healthy) and so on. Again, don’t get attached here.
    Andy is a league average starter if he plays more than 20-25 games. He’s placed in the .914ish range forever with 30+ starts. No reason to give that a bunch of money. Lehnzies and McBackup for the win.
    See ya Spezza.

    • Michenator

      MacArthur was arguably one of the best Sens last season. A team that has 4 good lines will have more players sitting around 50 points. I’d love to see that!

    • whammer44

      Only problem is that Mac will not be signing another 2 year contract. Imo If he doesn’t get at least 4-5 years he won’t sign.

  • ZBADFORMAYOR

    METHOT and MacArthur are top priorities. MacArthur or Methot would be excellent Captain options. Both are excellent players with a lot of upside and want to play in Ottawa.

  • Shibal

    As Dirk mentioned below: I think Spezza traded to the devils would be a good idea. I would trade him for Laarson, Reid Boucher, and a first. Spezza and Jagr playing together would good be a combination, in addition, the devils also lack an undisputed number 1 center.

    • Jakester

      Would love Larsson.

  • Sandy

    Those guys at TSN.. are just sooo funny…

  • Deadly

    Another important decision will be the way we handle Lazar.If he comes in for the preseason and earns a spot on the team , it will be a difficult choice to make.
    I can’t think of anyone that we have allowed to skip their last year of junior.
    Is it Lazartime?

    • Jakester

      I think he’ll play in Ottawa, and I don’t have a problem with him playing fourth line wing to start. He can kill penalties and occasionally stand in front of the net on the PP. Ease him in. By seasons end will probably be on the third line! People say, you can’t put him in the bottom six blah blah blah blah.

      • Deadly

        I agree as I don’t see the benefit of a 4 th year in Junior.

        • Jakester

          No, will be a lost year, he’ll get bored.

  • Sandy

    Steve Lloyd ‏@TSNSteveLloyd 6m

    RT @steffeG: Wikstrand signs ELC. #Sens

    Does this mean he will play in Bingo next season?

    • Jakester

      He probably will, still a few years away. He’s a project! Claessen is a steady guy we should be excited about!

    • Brutus5247

      Another lefty in the mix!

      Methot
      Cowen
      Wiercioch
      Phillips
      Boro

      Claesson
      Wikstrand

      This is just about too many for the AHL and NHL.
      TWO lefties get traded before or at the draft.

      • Jakester

        Been saying it , Cowen in a package with Spezza or in A separate deal on his own!

      • Zelle

        Hrm yeah pretty crowded. I think you were correct on one of your replies to me about Gryba being traded versus a leftie. Looks like they are building to package a couple of left Ds.

        • Jakester

          U keep Gryba.

          • Zelle

            I was saying to trade Gryba because he would probably bring more return than Wiercioch after this last season.

          • Jakester

            Yes but he’s a righty and steady unlike Seinfeld on our left side.

          • Zelle

            Yes I agree I would like that they keep him. I just figured he’d be better trade bait so they would consider trading him over Wier. But now I’m reconsidering my position!

      • Sandy

        Wikstrand is most likely a year or two away from the NHL. Claesson, hopefully gets a shot if injuries this season. He may get a long look at training camp…

    • Deadly

      Good to see.He was very steady in the World Juniors and has tracked well in Sweden moving up in divisions.
      I would guess he will be in Binghamton next year.

  • Michenator

    I find the re-signing of MacArthur a tricky one. I love him and want him around for a while. Do you think 4 or 5 mil a year is enough? It seems like Ryan at 7-8 mil a year is doable but MacArthur was more effective last season.

    Tough choices to come!!

    I would love more insight into the Methot situation because I think he’s going to be our best veteran D moving forward. I’d love to see him signed.

    Andy is gonna be a beast this season I think. Hopefully we at least keep him for one more!

    • Jakester

      I think 4 million and change and he’d be on par with TUrris, he’d be happy like a pig in shit.

      • Michenator

        That’s pre-Turris being our #1 centre… MacArthur deserves 6 IMO. Turris should be going up to 6.5 a year I would think…

    • peetypuck

      Murray has to make him a priority to sign along with Bobby Ryan. That’s our 1st line and it’s the best one we’ve had since Heatley, Spezza and Alfie.

  • jtf927

    spezza for sure will be traded. i think alot of what will happen may depend on what kind of return we get for #19. mcarthur and ryan for sure need to be re-signed, as they will play with turris on what will become our new top line. i am a bit split on andy. it’s kind of a jekyl and hyde. i am wondering which anderson we will see next season. will it be the one who was having a vezina season or the one who was letting in a lot of soft goals? although i am greatful for all he has done, if we can get a bit of an upgrade, i would say flip him. lehner looks ready to play 30-40 games. wrt to the rfa’s, zbad, jgp, and stone need to be tendered contracts. those three, along with hoffman and lazar will be an important part of our team in the fall, and will infuse our club with alot of youth, skill, speed, energy, and grit. we definitely need this. we definitely need to get another stud d-man on the backend, maybe two, which will go a long way to helping our tending, offense, and of course our d.

    • Jakester

      I agree with everything you just said. I see Spezza traded, maybe a couple of our left handed D and quite possibly Chris Neil. I would trade Andy in a package deal that would have a goalie coming back! Sens can get some nice pieces, to have a young and very competitive team next year.

      • jtf927

        absolutely. young and competitive. honestly, i have been watching the playoffs, and the team i envy most is the kings. man they are good. so defensively sound, two-way forwards, and they light up the opposition. i wish we could build the sens to be like the kings. trading neil is a possibility. but, do you think we should keep him? i actually think he should be our next captain. he is the heart and soul of the sens and plays a hard grinder type game that hopefully will rub-off on the younger players. the best all-around players we had were alfie, fisher, kelly, and neiler. we need our team to mimic those qualities.

        • Deadly

          And you were on a roll and then…Neil as Captain

          • jtf927

            lol! dude, why not? who should be captain?

          • Deadly

            Not a fourth liner,no matter how much he bleeds “sens”.pick any team in the playoffs and look for a captain that plays with the skill set of Neil. Might be a season of alternating captains.
            My choice would be Turris.

          • jtf927

            turris is a good choice. what about ryan or karlsson?

          • Deadly

            I just think Turris is and will be the heart of the team going forward. He stepped up last year when Spezza was out. He doesn’t need to be the highest scorer , but needs to play with passion and drive. Karlsson needs to be free of any extra pressure,as does Ryan.EK always seems to be having a fun time while playing,always smiling and joking around. Let him enjoy his youth.

          • peetypuck

            I think Turris will be the heart of the team also. He has done everything to make himself the best player he can be, staying most of his summers working out in Ottawa. Taking the #1 centre job when Spezza was out with so little experience. And last year he took the #1 centre job away from Spezza and gave us one good, consistent line otherwise Anaheim would be drafting in the top 3 this June. He seems to succeed the more responsibility that he is given.
            Definitely captain material.

          • Jakester

            TUrris FO Sure!

          • whammer44

            As much as I like Turris I don’t think he should be captain. Yes he had a breakout season this year but I don’t see why he needs the burden of being captain yet. He’s still young and I would rather see him string a few great seasons together without the extra pressure of being captain.

            If Spezza is gone I think this would be a good year to either rotate the captaincy between the leaders of the team or give it to Methot if they re-sign him. Methot speaks his mind, is calm, plays hard every night and has the experience and maturity to handle the job.

          • Jakester

            I think Neil is done, plus all the bonehead head penalties! Have to move on from this.

  • Jakester

    Would love to see game 4 of Portland vs Edmonton Oil Kings tonight. Last night shots were 38-37. This series is real tight.

    • Sandy

      Yeah.. I think Edmonton is in tough on this one. Haven’t won against Portland in 3 yrs?
      Guelph at the start of the 3rd period up 8-0 over North Bay… Lead series 2-1

      • Deadly

        After last night miracle win.Last nights game obviously broke North Bays heart.

      • Jakester

        What are you talking about, two years ago they knocked Portland out in the finals. Edmonton was in the Mem Cup with Lazar there as a Rookie if I’m not mistaken. They’ve split the last two Finals, this is the rubber match.

      • sprucesens

        yeah, this is the 3rd meeting of the oil kings and winterhawks in 3 years. They each won one. Series is now tied 2-2. Gonna try to get tickets to game 6. They are only 25 bucks if i can’t get the free one’s i’ve been getting. worth it to watch lazar, even if i don’t care about the rest of the team that much.

  • luckan20

    If Spezza moved for a top 6 forward and a top pick, then Ryan and MacArthur will be signed. I still believe we need to get another forward in the market to replace Michalek or Hemsky.
    Hoffaman and Stone will have NHL jobs next season. Pageau might get a break too, if we move Greening. Lazar will definitely get his 9 game shot and honestly he will be better here than being sent to Juniors.

  • Deadly

    Watching Nash in the playoffs.
    As Garth Brooks sang..thank God for unanswered prayers.
    He looks brutal.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      just as you said that Nash turns it over and it goes the other way and Pitt scored a shortie

      • Deadly

        Going from Deadly to Carnack…ode to Johnny Carson.

    • Sandy

      Nice hit from behind by Orpik on Zuccarella — no penalty of course…

    • Jakester

      Another floater who’s living off past glories!

  • Sandy

    Guelph wins 10-1… Sens prospect Harpur.. 0 points in the game…

    • Jakester

      He’s a stay at home shutdown D man, he doesn’t get points but he prevents the other team from getting anywhere!

    • Deadly

      Plus minus 35 or so for the season in Junior hockey.

    • sprucesens

      wow, quite the score in the playoffs.

  • Zelle

    Dat goal tho… poor Lundqvist.

    • Sandy

      You have to feel for the Rangers. Tonight they so looked like a team that played 6 games in 9 nights.. In the playoffs… That’s completely unacceptable for the NHL to do that.. and so ridiculous.
      There are some teams that get 3 or 4 days between games — so why force the Rangers to play that many? The only way the Pens could win?

      • Zelle

        They are most definitely out of gas. I had Rangers to win over Penguins but also thought they would finish Flyers before 7 games but Mason came back. It’s unfortunate, but I think they are done.

      • peetypuck

        I wonder how Nash likes New York now after getting booed right in MSG tonight.

  • Deadly

    Maybe we get get a similar bounce in performance that Columbus got when they moved their long time franchise player.

  • Captain Karl

    MacArthur Turris Ryan
    Burns (from SJ for Spezza) Zibanijad Stone
    Hoffman Pageau Lazar
    Peumpel Smith Condra
    Greening Neil
    No Problem

  • Jordan

    Watching the oil kings game right now and lazar just scored a beauty. Hes a threat everytime hes on the ice making something happen.

    • Sandy

      You beat me to it.. Just hope they can win tonight to tie the series…

      • Jordan

        Series tied! Game 5 friday.

  • sprucesens

    yeah, i just got back from the oil kings game. Fantastic game from lazar, probably worth while trying to find a highlights section from the game if its available. Had a goal and a breakaway, a big hit and 2-3 huge dangles around players in the Ozone. Very good game. I would describe him so far as a grittier version of turris. Which is an exciting thing!

    • Zelle

      I’ll try to catch the next game and try to capture some highlights.

  • Aaron 2.0

    When you put those five players needing new contracts after the upcoming season, it is a very, very scary (and also exciting) time to be a senators fan. Scary because you’re right about these decisions, Chirp. They are all extremely important, and will have a huge impact on the look of this team moving forward.

    Maybe what I’ll do is rank the players from “higher priority” to “lower priority” for contract extensions, as I see it. Just one fan’s viewpoint (not what I think is the team’s opinion).

    Highest to lowest priority: MacArthur; Methot; Ryan; Anderson; Spezza.

    I’ll save any discussion about my ranking, in case any of you other guys and girls want to play! Cheers.

    • sprucesens

      i would say ryan is at the top of the list for sure. You don’t trade 3 pieces then casually approach a contract. They’ll want him signed long term asap. MacA next with 2-4 years on the contract, probably in the 4 mill range. Spezza, only if they keep hemsky and by some miracle, don’t trade him, but i think the writing is on the wall on that one. Methot next as they need a top 4 D, and shouldn’t risk losing him, as he’s been the best vet D that we’ve had for a while. Anderson i think could be signed for another year or 2, IF he’s willing to let lehner take more starts to 50 50. If not, likely traded for a backup and a pick.

      But some of this could change if we did something crazy like trading lehner or methot, or keeping spezza and hemsky, and michalek for that matter

      • Aaron 2.0

        I agree with you, Ryan will be the team’s # 1 priority for re-upping. Makes sense, as you say, to make sure he knows this organization wants him here. He’s only personally a little lower for me because he’ll get payed handsomely (and we’re a budget team). But, I agree we want (edit: need) him here. If I was drawing a line about who I think should absolutely be getting new contracts (assuming they want to be here), it would be for MacArthur, Methot, and Ryan. The decision for Anderson would get a little dicier for me. And, apparently Spezza wants out. So, that is what it is, I guess.

  • Jakester

    Wow Lazar is a true gamer, series tied 2-2. Love to see the OIL KINGS move on.

    • Garrioch’s reliable source

      indeed – would like to see Lazar AND Ben Harpur playing for the Memorial Cup

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Regarding Lehner… I think he will sign a 2 year deal at $2.25 per season.

    In terms of starts I see him being our work horse in three seasons. So for me, that means.

    14/15 – 28-35 starts
    15/16 – 50-55 starts
    16/17 – 65-70 starts

  • Jason P.

    If Anaheim is in the mix for Spezza I wonder if Murray could swing Silfverberg back plus our first or Cogliano whom he has tried to get before?

    • s3nsfan75

      LOL I have been saying since I read about the Spezza trade talk, maybe we could trade him to Anaheim for Silfverberg, Noesen and our first back LMAO

      • whammer44

        Silfverberg 9 goals in 50 games…Noesen out all year with torn ligaments. Hard to say if they have the same value as before. But yeah if you could get all that back for Spezza that would be a win.

        • s3nsfan75

          I agree and I’m sure there might be better options out there, who knows what this team will look like in the fall. Just want to get to the draft see what they can do with Spezza and try and get a first rounder.

          • whammer44

            Next years draft is deeper. I would be okay not having a pick this year if they can add a second 1st rounder for next year

          • s3nsfan75

            yeah, if they could have 2 #1′s next year that would be ok. Still think it’s going to be an exciting couple of years in Sensnation. Regardless of the negativity others might try to spin.

          • whammer44

            If the cupboards were bare it would be depressing but I think the core is good and the youth look promising so I still feel good about the future

          • s3nsfan75

            serious players for this team in the next 3 seasons, IMO
            Turris, Ryan, MacArthur, Zibby, Stone, Hoffman, Puempel, Prince, Lazar, Claesson, Karlsson, Methot, Cowen, Lehner, and there could be others but in my opinion that is a pretty good problem to have.

          • Zelle

            Love the group but I accept the fact that they will need patience. My timeline is around two years, as I have stated before . Hopefully the fan base doesn’t crucify anyone in the meantime lol

          • s3nsfan75

            In being on these boards and listening to people talk, people (and in their defence they aren’t GMs) are very short sighted, one season at a time, this is I think the second youngest team in the league, i believe, as you do 2 years, maybe 3 this will be a solid contending team.

          • FistsofNeil25

            To be honest I would rather see the Spezza trade bring in pieces that could help now. Unless the deal is for a top draft pick this year then I’m not really interested. We have holes that need to be filled now. Most players that are projected to go in the first round this year are easily a few years away.

          • s3nsfan75

            Oh I completely agree, help now would go a long way, I’m just saying if they could ALSO bring in a #1 pick this season or next year it would be a bonus.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      I can’t see the Sens going after Silf, I’d target Etem and Lindholm

      • FistsofNeil25

        I would love to get Lindholm but he’s Anaheim’s future number one defenseman. I would imagine he’s one of their untouchables along with Perry, Fowler, Getzlaf and Gibson.

        They have a ton of quality young forwards that I would be interested in though: Etem, Smith-Pelley, Bonino, and Rakell.

        • CohMa

          I’d definitely try to pry Lindholm and either Smith-Pelley or Rakell. It would probably have to be more then Spezza to get both, but we maybe sweeten the deal and send Weircioch too.

    • Zelle

      As much as I loved Silfv (what a release) I would much rather they try to get a third line shut down center and top 4 D either LD for Karlsson or RD for the second pairing.

    • Jakester

      Silf’s skating is suspect

  • FistsofNeil25

    Should we add the Rangers to the list of teams that could have interest in Spezza? Their offense has dried up against Pittsburgh and we all know they love big name players that are at the end of their prime. They could really use an offensive spark to get Nash going again.

    • whammer44

      Consider it added.
      Maybe would could pry Stepan out of them

    • s3nsfan75

      I believe Spezza and Nash played together at the world’s a few years ago and had some good chemistry ( i could also be wrong lol)
      Maybe that would entice the rangers to maybe have an interest in Spezza.

    • Garrioch’s reliable source

      hmmmmm – could be – could be
      remember last summer when everybody was trying to reunite
      Spezza and Nash in Ottawa

      annnnnnd the Rangers always find a way to add another large salary if they want to

  • Zelle

    First line center and an A, good job Turris!
    “In other news, Kevin Bieksa of the Vancouver Canucks was named captain of Team Canada with Kyle Turris of the Ottawa Senators and Jason Chimera of the Washington Capitals serving as the alternates.” – tsn

  • SensChirp

    Sens make Wikstrand’s ELC official

    http://senators.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=717621

  • Turbo_Prop

    Off topic, but apparently Mika Zibanejad is DJing at a club in Kingston this Friday.
    Has anyone here been to see him DJ before? I’m not a big fan of EDM but I live nearby, not sure if I’ll go just for the novelty or not.

    • Garrioch’s reliable source

      Hey – GO – have fun – take pictures – post them here

  • SensChirp

    Let’s build up a big lead this time. MacArthur and Turris are up for play of the year!

    http://poy.tsn.ca/1-nhl2014/match/21-macarthur-vs-perry

    • Millennium

      The fact that the panelists can bring back their favourite play that had lost makes me hope for The Hemsky’s return. They both loved that play.

    • RUSH RLZ

      This is safe, and couldn’t be easier to set up, for those that want to help the boys while you are away from your PC…

      http://www.autohotkey.com/board/topic/59817-mouse-movement-click-recorder/

    • RUSH RLZ

      Shhhhh. But that little link I posted… You can program that baby to click the button every 6 seconds = 15 thousand per day if your computer is idling…

      Just sayin’.

    • RUSH RLZ

      Ok fine I’ll do it myself then. Here come 10K votes!

      • RUSH RLZ

        Haha! FYI – in case you get stuck in an infinite clicking loop, CONTROL/SHIFT/S stops it.

  • sprucesens

    hmm, eklund pumping up michalek’s tires. Should increase trade prices for a chance to sign him early….maybe. lol. I honestly see us signing him at 50 50. Maybe saying, we’ll let you weigh your options on july 1st, and we’ll weigh ours. But at the end of the day if neither us nor you feel a fit elsewhere, we’re comfortable giving you a contract worth X dollars. I guess since teams are allowed to talk a week before, this can all be done before UFA day.

  • ProfessorPower

    Going after Kevin Bieksa would be a really good move for Ottawa, I wonder what it would take. I think we do two trades this off season, one where Spezza is moved for either two top 6 wingers or a winger and a center man (Richards + King type). Second we trade for a top 4 dman with pieces like Wiercioch, Gryba, Greening, Condra, Hoffman.. + picks prospects.. ect. Have a totally new looking team next year with a great young core.

    Methot-Karlsson
    Cowen-Bieksa
    Boro-Ceci

  • Cicero

    The only of the 5 decisions that concerns me is the 5th: Not re-signing Anderson.

    If Lehner flops at any point after Andy’s departure (and Lehner is NOT a proven starting goalie by today’s standards) our team has gone from being the envy of the NHL between the pipes to a certified distaster.

    • Aaron 2.0

      It’s definitely a little scary going with a relatively unproven goal-tender (considering the small sample). Goalies don’t quite get the greatest returns in trades. So, we can probably hang onto Anderson next year. That gives management another season to decide if it’s the right time to go with Lehner. If it is, we can trade Anderson at the deadline. Or, we could always just hang onto him, and lose him for nothing, if they decide not to resign him when his contract expires. I don’t love that. But, it’s not like the Spezza situation, where to maximize a good return the team needs to start on that trade now. In the case of Anderson, the return would be mediocre whenever (nothing about him; just the market for goalies).

      So, I think they can go with both next year. And, put off a decision for a little while.

    • Zelle

      I can’t say I’m overly worried about Lehner not cutting it, and I would expect they bring in a veteran backup goaltender if they traded Anderson.

      When you look past at this season, Lehner went from first star of the week to a 4-5GAs losing streak to winning his first SO and finally being stable and I think incredibly mature. Of any player on the team I feel he has grown the most and I believe that when I hear him speaking in his interviews. He has talent and the qualities of a winner. The Senators will be well served by Lehner.

  • Tooks

    Big game tonight!
    If Habs win this one they win the series.
    Subban has to be a his best tonight, possibly another big hit and goal to pump up the boys!

    • SensChirp

      What in the hell is this?

      • SensChirp

        “Big game!”…”the boys”…I don’t like this one bit Tooks

        • RUSH RLZ

          LOL yeah. I am on the bandwagon too, raised in a Habs family, want to have SOME team to root for, otherwise I stop watching, would cheer for any Canadian team except the ASSMASTERS down the 401…

          So I am all GO HABS!

          But would never refer to them as Les Boys.

          That stinks of treachery Tooks.

          • SensChirp

            Even this is borderline….

          • RUSH RLZ

            Sorry dudes, my father and brother both bleed MTL colors and both going through a rough time. I don’t give much of a fuck who wins if not the Sens, but my pecking order goes:

            150 fan points for the Sens
            2 fan points for MTL
            2 fan points for Winterpeg
            1 points for all other Canadian teams that are not blue + white.
            0.25 points for the Avs, Blue Jackets, Isles, Coyotes whom I do not yet have reason to despise

            -50 points for the Penguins, Rangers, Bruins, Redwings, Flyers, Caps, Devils, Wild or Ducks.

            -125 points for the Leafs

            ^—- you can use this to calculate, for any matchup who I would cheer for, or if I despise both teams equally (see Ranger + Pens as an example) I can barely give a shit to watch I want both to lose so bad.
            ;)

          • Jakester

            My whole family bleeds Habs and I hope Chara and Lucic torch them!

          • RUSH RLZ

            To each their own brother! The only aspect of Habs fans I loathe is when they invade the CTC. ;)

          • Phil.

            This is very interesting to me as I feel the complete opposite. MTL and TO are the 2 biggest rivals. I can’t understand why or how a Sens fan could cheer for them. I get the Canadian thing, but there are plenty of teams from the States with more Canadian players.
            I will be hoping the Canadiens lose and are embarassed.

          • Sandy

            Boston for one has more Cdn born players than Montreal…

          • RUSH RLZ

            So… next time Sens are in the finals, you would cheer for the other team if they had more Canadian players? ;)

          • Sandy

            Do you really think Habs fans were cheering for the Sens when the went to the Cup Final? They most likely didn’t…

          • Zelle

            Some were posting that they were, but not many. It’s always tough cheering for the team that knocks you out of the running though.

          • RUSH RLZ

            I’m not a sheep, I don’t give a crap who other fans root for or not. There are probably many Habs fans with a soft spot for the Sens but even more that despise us. *shrugs*

      • Sens-fan-in-mtl

        i always suspected he was a Laughs fan?!

        • Jakester

          Tookie is like Bruce Jenner, he has no clue what he is!

      • FistsofNeil25

        This is exactly the kind of reaction Tookie was looking for lol

    • sprucesens

      yuck

    • Sandy

      The longer the Habs go in the playoffs.. the more the Subban contract is going to cost them..

    • Sandy

      They also get a big help from the stripes.

      Boston has to get up by 3 or 4 goals going to late in the game.. as they can expect to get a few penalties in the game…

    • 011110101011110101010101010101

      Shouldn’t you have posted this at habschirp.ca ?

  • Sandy

    Did the AHL rules change for European players eligible to play in the AHL. I thought age didn’t matter… This is an excerpt from a Randy Lee interview re: Wikstrand…

    “Under the league rules, Mikael can come to North America next year but he can only play on the big club — he has to make the Ottawa Senators. If he doesn’t make the Senators he can’t go to Binghamton so most likely he would play another year in Frölunda. He can play at both levels (NHL or AHL) in two years.”

    • Zelle

      Nothing in the rule book says a giraffe can’t play football!

      Seriously though I can’t find anything that would disqualify him from playing in the AHL.

      • Sensturion

        He still has a contract with his Swedish team that probably states that he either plays for the Senators or he stays in Sweden.

        • Zelle

          Oooh yes that would do it. Great point, did not think of a contract issue.

        • Sandy

          Yep.. that would do it. I was thinking more AHL wise…

  • FistsofNeil25

    Gotta love the Carlyle extension. The Leaves always make me feel good about being a Sens fan! Didn’t he have one year remaining on his current contract? It’s one thing to not fire him, it’s another to give that dummie a two year extension lol I love it

    • Zelle

      Who would want to play for a coach that says his goaltender was ‘just… ok’ in front of a media scrum. Also, overseeing an eight game losing streak that basically took the Leafs out of the playoffs doesn’t really warrant an extension.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I’m not going to question it. In fact I’m rather relieved. Extending Carlyle pretty much ensures that one team in our division won’t be getting any better for the foreseeable future.

  • Sandy

    So they were speculating on TSN1200 this morning.. how much Subban will demand next season.
    Some are saying could be close to 9M.. which would make Subban the highest paid defensemen in the NHL. But, I’m not sure you could call him the best in the NHL?
    Thoughts and comments?
    Also, Chirp… have you heard anything about the Ottawa assistant coaches. My understanding is their contracts are up…

    • sprucesens

      weber makes more. but a less overall hit I guess

      • Sandy

        Yeah.. cap hit is about 7.8 M.. but he makes 14M in the first 4 seasons… 12M the next 2 seasons and goes down thereafter…
        Subban’s contract could be similar.. but with the new rules they can’t circumvent the cap the way Weber’s did. Probably result in a larger cap hit..

    • FistsofNeil25

      With the salary cap going up to around 70 million, players are going to get a bigger piece of the pie. Players who used to be valued around 6.5-7.5 million will now be easily valued around 8-9 million.

      If Phaneuf’s market value is now at 7 million per season, PK will easily come in between 8 and 9 million. Is he the best defenseman in the game? Probably not, but he’s definitely in the top tier of defenseman and deserves a big pay day. It’s easy to dislike him, but it’s impossibly to deny how good he is. He’s been a dominant force in the playoffs so far. Maybe the most impactful performance out of any player in the playoffs this year.

      • Sensturion

        Cap is going down. Bettman said so last week. Canadian dollar to blame.

        • runningbear1974

          I don’t think going down… I think he said going down from what was expected to increase… So… Salary Cap this year is 64 million… Projected next year is 71 million… Bettman saying probably more likely to 69 million…

      • WaitingSince92

        That’s another thing I don’t get – why is it easy to DISlike him? I’d say it’s easy to like him. He a little bit cocky, but so are a shit-ton of likeable, amazing players.

        A little jersey tug and the guy’s a supervillain.

    • WaitingSince92

      Probably not the best in the league, but certainly one of them – there’s really no need to try to rank them. Once you’re elite, you get anywhere from $7 to $9, most of that depends on how hard a bargain you drive and what the team you’re playing for can afford (ie Karlsson on NYR or PHI might have signed to $7 or 8m/year.

      He’s probably not the best but it doesn’t matter. He’s worth retaining. Never understood the hate people have for him. He’s fucking amazing. Not a love to hate thing, just an amazing talent.

  • sprucesens

    hmm, apparently TSN is expanding its channels in Canada to 5. I wonder how this will affect sens broadcasts, specifically, out of region stuff. Does that mean I can actually watch the TSN regional broadcast while in Edmonton?! if so, I might reorder TV! Anyone else have any info on this?..link here

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Peter-Tessier/TSN-TSN2-3-4-5/161/59925

    • Sensturion

      I believe the new channels are for different time zones and less about more programming. Could be wrong, though.

  • Sandy

    Does anyone have any highlights from the Oil Kings and Winterhawks game last night? I can’t find anything anywhere..

    • sprucesens

      no but I suggest to keep looking. ’twas a good game from lazar

    • Sensturion

      It’s on the Oil Kings website. For some reason it shows game three first, but you can find game 4 there as well.

      • Sandy

        Thanks…

  • Sandy

    I’ve spent the last 10 min voting for MacArthur.. but the percentage goes no where.. We need to vote for MacAt to offset the anti-Sens vote..

  • WaitingSince92

    Just want to know what everyone thinks about Michalek:
    A) What he can get on the open market
    B) The Sens highest offer
    C) The most you’d pay him to stay

    • runningbear1974

      I like Michalek as a person… Nice guy… Tries hard… But, 2 major weaknesses… 1) He doesn’t change directions easily… He goes 1 direction as hard as he can all the time…
      2) He makes bad decisions with the puck… Dumps it in at bad times, shoots a lot, doesn’t see the extra good pass option…

      A) I think on open market he can get 5 million
      B) Sens might offer 4 million a year…
      C) I’d give him the MacArthur contract 2 years 3.5 million per year… He’s a big body with a good attitude… You can play him with Smith or Zibby…

      • sben

        I don’t think he is even worth 3.5 mil for the sens and on the market maybe he’ll get around four. Remeber, for most of the season he was playing with SPEZZA and HEMSKY. For almost every game spezza was in, michalek played with him and when you’re with a player like spezza, who will set you up for amazing plays if you’re in the right spot (and if he has no one in the right spot he’l try to make a crazy play but then give the puck over) and you only manage 39 points then you should not be gatting any more than 3 mil maximum. If michalek was at his prime, like the beginning of the crazy 30 goal season, then I’d give him 5 mil at the very least but his knee is injured and will never truly heal, he isn’t that good a player, and he’s a nice guy but I think he shouldn’t stay with the sens. This offseason will be fun.

        • runningbear1974

          Even when he was healthy he wasn’t good at stopping, changing directions, or making great decisions with puck… So, i would only want him at reduced role to play with Smith or something… He would improve Smith’s line, and that would be worth 3.5 million in my opinion…

          • Senatollah

            Agree. his outside speed is gone.

  • Jakester
    • sben

      lazar only scores at the end. so only watch the last cut.

      • Jakester

        He almost went in the net before the puck!

  • Dirk-Diggler

    The Leafs are so dumb. I think maybe a Sens-Leafs trade can happen now and we can fleece them. Spezza and Gryba for Gardiner and Kadri..

    • wild bill

      BM wanted to draft Kadri.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        I know a lot do not agree but I’d take Kadri on my team any day. He’s a pest that has skill. It’s hard to find a guy that can play on the edge and put the puck in the net night in and night out. He’s still growing and I think will be a #1 C in 3-4 years.

        • Senatollah

          Agreed. I think his ceiling is higher than that of Turris. If you can get a Kadri and he can turn into the #1 Centre you do it. You also have Lazar and Zbad who will either fit in behind in the #3 centre for a year or two or who get moved to the wings. Hard to not like that.

    • sprucesens

      no thanks. picture pageau layed out on the ice instead of eller, and all those dangles that spezza does yearly against us. Meanwhile kadri continues to be a little bitch that we have to try and defend on a nightly basis. gardiner, whatever.

      • Jakester

        I hate Kadri but with the right wingers, he could be awesome! Or he could play on the wing??

        • HarvardYaleAndPrincetonMan

          think “our” D’arcy Tucker

    • Spezza for Kadri

      … is what it will be

    • Zelle

      All of this talk about Kadri for Spezza is making me uncomfortable.

      1) Do we really want to trade a #1 center to a division rival?
      2) Do we really want to trade ANOTHER captain and good player to ANOTHER division rival?

      • Sandy

        NO and NO.. I want no part of Kadri..

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Getting Kadri gives us a super pest with skill that will also be on a cheap (relative) contract to Spezza so we can spend in other areas to address our needs…

        We all hate Kadri because he kills us. If he was on our team a lot of us would be rocking his jersey

        • sprucesens

          nope, i’d still punch him in the face after the hit on Ceci.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            What if he did that hit on Phaneuf?

          • peetypuck

            I’d still punch him in the face for that hit on Ceci.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            get over it.. even Ceci said he turned into it

          • peetypuck

            He’s been tainted by that blue maple leaf. Keep him away from our Sens colours and logo.
            Boo Kadri

          • Dirk-Diggler

            So tell me how you feel about MacArthur?

          • peetypuck

            Sign him up for another five years. I love the guy. Leafs management obviously didn’t like him. He’s more of a Sens player at heart.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            So would you not want Gallagher or Marchand either? Kadri is as much of a pest as those guys and double the skill..

          • Zelle

            I would take Gallagher over Kadri

          • Dirk-Diggler

            Gallagher will have a 5-6 year career at best. He’s too small. Kadri will be able to play 12-15 and will be a guy that can create plays not just because he’s a pest. Know what I mean? Kadri can control the puck and make his line go. Gallagher is a good player but without his bitchiness he’s not that effective.

          • Zelle

            But he is so annoyingly effective! Also I don’t like Kadri’s and Marchand’s BS dirty hits. I would have a really difficult time accepting either of those players on the Senators and for sure would never buy their jersey. I already have a Turris jersey though so that’s a moot point regardless :D

          • peetypuck

            I like Gallagher but he has to stop his diving. It’s so obvious. Marchand isn’t bad either and he can score too.

          • sprucesens

            i’d rather have a pest that is willing to back it up than any of those

          • Dirk-Diggler

            show me Gallaghers last fight… or Marchands….

          • Zelle

            Gallagher fought Conacher last season in the playoffs! xD

          • Dirk-Diggler

            That was a tickle fight…

          • Zelle

            I know but I had to bring it up because it was hilarious. Everyone else is fighting, who here is my size?! YOU! Come here!! /fistacuffs

          • Tooks

            Double standard much, CMac also played for TML or did you forget?

          • peetypuck

            No, MacA is too good for your Laffs.

          • Tooks

            Exactly, it was Ceci’ fault actually. Routine hit by KAdri and ceci turns his back.

    • Tooks

      DONE!

  • Sandy

    Brad Fritsch ‏@BradFritsch May 7

    What was better, playing golf with this guy or the fact we were at Augusta! (Working on next year’s contract) pic.twitter.com/BMoZJiquRa

    • Dirk-Diggler

      Playing at Augusta! I hope Alfie comes back next year.

  • Sensturion

    What’s the point of having refs if nothing is going to be called?

  • Zelle

    Anyone else going to be watching men’s WHC tomorrow?

    • sprucesens

      probably not, but i might try to watch oil kings

      • Zelle

        Oh yeah I hope to catch that too… Hrm I hope it’s not on at the same time.

        • sprucesens

          8 edmonton time i think

          • Jakester

            Is it on sportsnet?

          • Zelle

            The WHC game is in the morning so I’m in the clear! /win

    • Sandy

      Me… it’s awesome being retired….

      • Zelle

        Jealous… I just have the day off.

  • Jakester

    Johnny Football still available!

    • Dirk-Diggler

      STILL available..

      • Jakester

        They are 14 and he still hasn’t been drafted.

        • Dirk-Diggler

          I can’t believe Dallas didn’t take him… wow!

          • Jakester

            Tennessee or Minnesota either.

          • Tooks

            Minny got the best QB, Bridgewater is gonna be a beast.

  • Jakester

    I have a feeling Arizona takes him or maybe Cleveland with my Colts pick!

    • Dirk-Diggler

      He’s going to Cleveland… Have any of you seen Draft Day yet? It’s actually good

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I don’t like the pick my Dolphins just made…

    • Jordan

      Me neither buddy lol but we need oline baaad.

    • Tooks

      They missed the boat by not moving up to get OT Martin. Big gap between him and the rest of the olines available when they picked.

  • Sandy

    THANK YOU hockey gods.. Now to watch the battle of California.. which started out pretty nasty…

  • Jakester

    Happy for the Cleveland Browns cuz they’ve sucked for it seems like forever!

    • Tooks

      And they will still suck…JFF is overrated.

  • lbernier

    I honestly dont see Spezza being moved yet, I could see him being moved maybe after a contract is in place simular to the Mike Richards deal where he signed a deal but was moved before it was kicked in but as an expiring ufa agent he is not going to get the return we want.

    • Aaron 2.0

      Unfortunately, it seems likely that Spezza doesn’t want to sign here in Ottawa. That’s probably driving this whole issue right now, and why there seems to be a little more urgency to maximize a return. It’s obviously not a guarentee he’s gone (sports is brutal for predicting these things), but, this feels different than past rumours.

    • runningbear1974

      What kind of contract do you think Spezza wants? My guess is he wants 7 million a year for 7 years…

  • Dirk-Diggler

    SDC scored for France… good for him… now let’s hope Canada comes back to crush them

    • runningbear1974

      Is there a place for SCD on the Sens next year? I like his skill, but he’s small… If he can put on another 10lbs this summer, and then another next summer, he’ll should be ok…

      • A-Train

        I don’t think so. Never been sold on DaCosta’s NHL potential with the Sens — but he could useful elsewhere and be part of deal.

        • runningbear1974

          I agree… Unlikely, especially since we still have Pageau, Hoffman, and Prince is small guy too… Although, I do think DaCosta has some nice moves and good anticipation… If we had bigger better wingers than we could find a place for him…

          • Millennium

            I feel like the team was hoping Greening would be that bigger-sized 3rd line winger. Unfortunately he’s terrible.

            Cole Schneider would be an interesting call up to play with SDC on the third line. They play together in Bingo, and he had a great year. Good size too. But at that point you’re getting too many young/unestablished players on your roster. Its more likely SDC is decent trade bait. (That said, Schneider is still an intriguing prospect for us).

      • Tooks

        Nope, he would be useless in the bottom 6.

  • Finn 8
    • sben

      take your damn country golfclub membership money and use it to sign Bobby Ryan you idiot

  • Michenator

    DA COSTA LOOKIN GOOD!!!!

  • Michenator

    Thanks for nothing James Reimer…

    • Tooks

      Another uneducated comment. France scored 2 PP goals, hardly his fault, the PK was bad and the players we rely on didnt show up.

  • Tooks

    We just lost to France…Still want Turris #1C???

    • s3nsfan75

      Yeah cause 1 player is an entire team, what a ridiculous comment.

      Tooks trolling for attention again

      • Michenator

        Seriously…

      • Tooks

        Listen not raggin on the kid, was just saying. He played the most of all forwards with 20:38, thats almost 2 minutes more than the next forward 18:58. He got 3 shots and was a +1. 0 shots in the 3rd and 0 in OT and missed his shootout attempt.

        Dont you think he should have done better than that especially looking at who Canada was playing?

        He’s clearly not rdy to be a #1C and this tournament will prove it.

        • SensChirp

          YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYawwwwwn

          • Tooks

            Thats also how I felt about Turris’ game today. Bang on.

          • Millennium

            It was nicer around here when you were gone. Perhaps HFBoards would be more welcoming to your terrible lack of hockey knowledge and even worse trolling abilities.

          • Tooks

            Do you really think Turris had a good game. The coach will probably tell you that in his interview.

            You know the part where he says players need to be better. We shouldnt have lost to France today, its downright embarrassing.

        • Mark

          You’re a joke man. Find a hobby

          • Tooks

            Yes because you make way more sense…You happy Canada lost to France or what?

        • Sandy

          Did you not think for a moment Tooks.. that this France team has been together, nationally, for quite some time. They are used to playing with each other and the systems the coaches put in place.
          Team Canada has played together for a week of practice and one exhibition game..
          None of these guys have played together as a team before.
          Do you not think that matters?

    • SensChirp

      The most Tookie comment of all time haha

      • Tooks

        Why cuz its true? you dont like it?

        • SensChirp

          Haha Canada loses meaningless World Championship game to France. Turris plays well. Therefore, Turris is not ready to be the number one centre for Ottawa. Got it.

          • Tooks

            Played well?
            He had 3 shots on 20:38 minutes of play.
            0 in the 3rd and in OT. ZERO!

            For a guy who played the most and was relied upon, getting 0pts is not playing well, especially considering who the opponent was.

          • sprucesens

            my god tookie. if Crosby was on the team and had 0 points, would you say he’s not ready to be a #1C. sometimes you have decent points that aren’t rose colored. But sometimes you just make ignorant arguments. The last 100+ games turris has been an excellent player in the NHL and arguably our top forward.

          • Tooks

            Crosby is the best player in the world…You make no sense.
            Yes Turris was arguably our best player, until about mid season or after the Olympics, playing 2nd fiddle to Spezza.

            He has struggled at #1C both times he was given the chance to do so.

            I’d be the happiest person alive IF Turris could become that #1C next year but IMO, he aint rdy.

        • Mark

          Yeah, forget what Turris has done in the NHL….he’s crap because he went pointless against France in one international game. LOL!!!

          • Tooks

            Way to take it out of context. Never said he was crap either, I said he’s not rdy to be a #1C. And he’s proven that already when he was forced to replace Spezza and struggled and even this year, struggled down the stretch when strength of competition was stronger.

            He is also playing the most minutes, relied upon to score and win the Tournament. Just saying he aint rdy.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      I’m more interested in what Huet is doing next season?? lol

      • Tooks

        Ya I dont know what it is with international goalies vs Canada…They always seem to play better than they are. Dont kid yourself, if Huet would try to make a comeback in the NHL, he would def fail.

    • zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

      PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO ME

    • sprucesens

      yes, yes I do.

      • s3nsfan75

        as do i

    • sprucesens

      we also lost to oilers and Calgary. With spezza in top form. it happens tooks, stop being dumb

      • Tooks

        Invalid, those are NHL teams. And Spezza was our best player in both games.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      To international players tournaments like this mean a lot and they play their best against Canada and other big countries. But, for teams like Canada the players that are on the roster would never be on their Olympic team and are really out of sorts over there. I would not read into the negative too much but for sure would take away the positives. This is a summer tournament and none of the guys on Canada are auditioning for jobs or anything.

      • sprucesens

        and most are still in upset mode after missing out on the playoffs. Mostly playing because they love the game and always want to compete and represent their company. It says something when turris is selected to be the #1C on team Canada out of all the players not in the playoffs. What if turris scores 3 in the next game then leads them to the cup. Is that enough to shut you up about it, or would you just say, well I said he wasn’t ready YET. I try to defend your counter arguments sometimes from over-homerism commenters, but sometimes you just deserve it.

        • Dirk-Diggler

          me? or Tookie?

          • sprucesens

            no no. tookie sorry dirk, was just adding to your comment I guess

        • Tooks

          Yes IF Turris scores 3 goals in 1 game or leads the team to the Championship and is by far the best player and REASON they won, I WILL shut up about it.

          I mean thats why he was selected to play #1C and play 20+ minutes a night, isnt it?

          • Doc

            I somehow highly doubt you would.

            Just a hunch though.

          • Tooks

            Why wouldnt I, I’d be ecstatic (sp?) to have Turris break out and be our #1C and cement it with an awesome tournament.

          • Doc

            So we all have the same goal!

          • Tooks

            In the bigger picture, I guess, I said Turris isnt rdy yet, Iw ant him to be our #1C of thr future but IF we lose Spezza and Turris is #1C next year, he’s gonna struggle.

            Thats what I want to see from Turris in this tournament and I’m sure the Sens brass want to see and are DESPERATELY hoping he does VERY WELL not “relatively well” in that #1C role for Canada. See if he can put the weight of the World on his shoulders and carry the load or lead them to a Championship.

            I admit I may have overreacted i posting that first comment but I was more angry about the loss really…So far Turris, in this prelim game did not step up and lead his team. Hopefully he can be better in the next games.

          • Doc

            Maybe, but he’s shown that he’s more than capable of handling himself. Moving past those struggles will be part of him growing as a player.

            Part of the process.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            You’d shut up about him and find a new player to castrate

          • Phil.

            Well DaCosta scored 2 and you could say he is the reason France won. So is he the #1 center now?

          • Tooks

            If Ottawa could find space to add him in the top 6, sure I would love to keep him.

          • sprucesens

            my point is, 1 good game and you are willing to anoint the guy the next big thing, and one bad game, and you are throwing him under the bus.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Ok… Canada lost to France 3-2, Da Costa has 2 goals. People, if that display doesn’t show Sens Management that he deserves a chance, then I don’t know what will.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      And yes, I am fully aware that Reimer is the reason we lost. lol

      • Tooks

        Reimer wasnt the reason we lost…sigh

        • s3nsfan75

          No According to you, Turris was the reason we lost.

          • Tooks

            Turris, Read, Burrows, Kadri but yeah Turris played the most and came up empty handed…

          • s3nsfan75

            You’re entitled to your opinion, even when it’s wrong.

          • Tooks

            How is it wrong?
            Did Turris not play the most? Did he not get a point?

          • s3nsfan75

            You give no credit to other team, there are two teams on the ice, you ever think they’re game plan was maybe, i dunno, to focus on shutting down the top line, which *GASP* even happens in the NHL. Guy was on the ice for more goals for than against. Lots of players, even players better than him don’t score goals every game.

          • Tooks

            If Turris is getting shutdown by non NHL players, we have a serious problem…

            He was a +1 cuz he was on the ice when Gudbranson scored which Schenn did all the work. He was on the ice for a PP goal against too but they dont get a minus for that.

          • Doc

            Easy fishing today it seems!

          • Tooks

            Just saying it as it is. Do you think Turris had a good game? Do you think he’s rdy to be our #1C?

          • Doc

            Was merely pointing out that you managed to bait a lot of people again.

            Kudos.

          • Tooks

            Way to avoid the question.

          • SensChirp

            Haha would you say your online personality is similar to how you are in real life?

          • Doc

            My guess is he spreads the word of the gospel.

          • Tooks

            You believe in God?

          • Doc

            Do you think I do?

          • Phil.

            Well played sir.

          • Tooks

            No?

          • Doc

            My reality has been shattered once our Golden God left for the Dark Side.

          • Tooks

            Haha nope, I wouldnt put real people in those situations.

          • Doc

            Silly Rabbit.

            I have no interest in discussing this. Carry on.

            By the way, how’s Johny?

          • Tooks

            Its simple enough isnt it?

            Your opinion is usually a good one.

            Give it a go?

            Do you think Turris had a good game? Do you think he’s rdy to be our #1C?

          • SensChirp

            Haha go for a walk Tooks. It’s a nice day. Or quietly click on the ads for 20 minutes

          • Tooks

            Do you get any revenue from those adds, would gladly click on them if you did :)

          • Doc

            It all depends on your expectations.

            He’s been getting the better quality of competition the last two years, and has done relatively well, especially this year.

            So it could be argued that yes, he is ready.

            Now, if you expect him to put up Toews points, then of course you will be disappointed. My expectations are a little bit more realistic.

          • Tooks

            See thats a great comment!
            Me personally tho, would expect a bit more than relatively well at the #1C position. Like 65-70+ points consistantly.

          • Doc

            I agree, and he ain’t far off!

            58 points this year. So it’s not unreasonable to think he can hit 65-70. The kid is still only 24 and probably has only scratched the surface of his potential.

            Looking forward to seeing him grow as a player.

          • FistsofNeil25

            l love how you are quick to jump to Reimer’s defense and then immediately throw Turris under the bus haha

            Is Turris ready to be a number one center? Maybe not. But your boy Spezza isn’t getting the job done anymore pal.

          • Jakester

            he was all year you Moron

          • Jakester

            so all the good hockey Turris played as 1C this year you’ve forgotten about

          • Zelle

            Crosby was getting shut down by non NHL players in the Olympics.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Not sure what you’re going on about here. Turris does play against NHLers, in the NHL. There weren’t really any huge droughts in his point production this year, pulling about the same quality of competition over the entire year as Spezza….

          • bluebuyyoo

            Turris is the golden boy. Can’t do anything wrong. Well, at least until #19 is gone and then the “fans” go looking for another whipping boy.

          • Tooks

            Yeah no kdding, I wont be surprised when it happens and it will happen.

          • Jakester

            Why was Spezz not called for this tournament – oh yeah cuz its a bigger back check on the BIG ICE surface!

          • bluebuyyoo

            Do you definitively know if he was or was not called for the WC?

          • Jakester

            pretty sure his phone didn’t ring. They would have told us the floater declined an invite.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I think the story was Spezza called hockey Canada and told them not to consider him because his wife is expecting their second born child soon.

            That and they have to start packing up their belongings for their anticipated move to a new city.

          • bluebuyyoo

            Not very definitive Jacques. So, in other words, you don’t know and you are making shit up again.

          • Tooks

            We already ALL know he doesnt back check, whats your point? lol

          • Sandy

            That will happen.. especially with Sens fans like Tooks..

          • bluebuyyoo

            Tooks generally tells it like it is and most folk don’t like to hear what he has to say.
            There are plenty of others that will be ready to shit on a new whipping boy once Spezza leaves.

          • Jakester

            What a dufus.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Didn’t watch the game. Work. But, if Turris played so poorly why did Tippett play him the most???

    • Tooks

      Yes cuz he was playing top line…He aint gonna be playing top line in Ottawa.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Anything that happens in the world championship tourny is irrelevant. Nobody cares what players/teams do over there.

  • Millennium

    So what does a re-signed SDC net as trade bait? Could we package him and Greening (who apparently still gets interest from other teams) to get a real 3rd line winger?

    • Dirk-Diggler

      Don’t trade him. Play him! He’s a good third line C!

      Turris, Zib, SDC, Smith

      • Tooks

        He doesnt have any characteristics of a 3rd line C, he doesnt hit, he’s slow and is small. If you cant fit him in the top 6, he wont be useful in Ottawa in the bottom 6.

        • Dirk-Diggler

          I seem to remember his last call up being successful. Anyway, I have a vested interest in him because one of my coworkers is his ‘Ottawa mother’ and she talks about him to me all the time…

          • Millennium

            Its going to come down to SDC vs Pageau for 3C I’m guessing. His last stint was great, and I wouldn’t be adverse to keeping him, I just get the feeling that they team thinks Pageau can perform at a 3C level, whereas SDC probably needs second line matchups to succeed more. His pairings and matchups this season were a mishmash, like most of Maclean’s coaching decisions, so I’m not totally sure that was indicative of future third line potential.

          • Tooks

            Remember we have Lazar coming in soon, I think SDC nor Pageau are even in the Sens plans for the future. Our C’s could look like this in 2-3 years.
            Turris
            Lazar
            Zib
            Smith

          • FistsofNeil25

            There’s a pretty good chance Lazar starts his career in the NHL as a right winger rather than at center.

          • Millennium

            I agree. Of our C prospects, Lazar seems the most likely to move to wing, especially since we want him and Zibby both in the top 6, and Zibby didn’t look comfortable on the wing. Lazar seemed to adjust to it quite well.

          • Doc

            Agreed.

          • sprucesens

            I would really like this set up so long as zib has scoring wingers, and not guys like condra and greening

          • Tooks

            Well I wouldnt say 4pts in 8 games is sucessfull but I guess he didnt totally suck.

          • sprucesens

            translates to 41pts in 82 games. obviously wishfull thinking, but yeah, its a good pace

        • Jakester

          You wouldn’t know a good hockey player if he came up and pissed on you! Watch the games DUDE, DaCosta this year when he came up was one of our better forwards. He can play 3rd C and be a real good 3rd C – wakey wakey stop watching the Laughs you’ve lost all perspective!

        • MethotToMyMadness

          If Ottawa goes in a direction where Spezza isn’t here, and SDC is signed and plays, we won’t be using the traditional lines of 1st and 2nd scoring, 3rd grinding and 4th checking. We’d basically have 1 true scoring line, our 2nd and 3rd would be some form of alternate scoring and some grinding, and our 4th line would be a checking/grinding. In fact, it would end up being very much like the roster we iced all of 2012/13 short season. And I actually enjoyed that very much.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Pretty sure it’s going to come down to Pageau or Da Costa for the fourth line center spot. Pageau probably has the edge because he’s a local guy and is still under contract. Pageau is a more complete player but Da Costa probably has more immediate offensive upside. I don’t see either of them leapfrogging any of Zibanejad or Smith yet though.

        • Jakester

          DaCosta will be third line center and Smith fourth line center, exactly where a guy(Smith) belongs.

      • runningbear1974

        He had great poise and decision making with the puck when he was up… We should give him a shot… Maybe get Smith to be one of his wingers… So, Smith-Da Costa, and find some other big winger…

      • Jakester

        Bang on dude, plus he is lights out on the Powerplay.

  • boom

    I hadn’t been on all day, and i see that Tooks is taking grief for suggesting that Turris may not be ready for number 1 center?
    Surely he can’t be the only one who thinks this. Of all the forwards on the team, Turris is the one i enjoy watching the most (and would ask kids to watch if i was still coaching), but I still think he’s ideally suited to be number 2. I hope I’m wrong…

    • Doc

      If Spezza leaves, do you expect us to receive another 1C in return?

      • boom

        To be honest, I have no idea. I doubt it.
        What do you think? I was thinking (it happens once in a while) that almost all great teams have a clearly defined number one center, but you could make the argument that Boston has two number 2 centers, with Krejci and Bergeron, eh?
        Maybe they will try that model with Turris and Zibanejad? (DaCosta?)
        I really don’t know what they’ll do…

        • Doc

          Luckily we are not the ones that need to make those decisions. I also doubt we would get a 1C back, unless we can manage to grab O’Reilly off of Colorado’s hands, but that might just be wishful thinking at this point.

          If we stay young and don’t mind letting the guys play through their hardships, then I wouldn’t mind seeing a tandem of Turris/Zibby. Let them play and grow as players.

      • FistsofNeil25

        A 1C in return for Spezza? I doubt it. It would be in our best interest though to acquire a player in that trade that can play center AND wing.

      • Jakester

        no

      • runningbear1974

        i doubt it, and i don’t think we should trade and get a traditional #1 C… For a cheap team, we don’t want to be top heavy… Better to have 3 5 million dollar guys rather than 2 7.5 million dollar guys… With more guys you don’t depend on any 1 as much…
        I think what we need are some strong wingers… Our D core is growing and will get better, but we need some solid wingers…

    • Millennium

      He’s not the only person I’ve heard raise that concern, but he’s the only one trying to hold a one game performance, on a brand new line, up as proof that Turris isn’t suited for it, ignoring Turris’ amazing progression over the last 130 games. He’s played 1st line minutes, he’s played 1st line competition, and he’s excelled. The kid just keeps trending upwards and nothing in his play suggests otherwise. He’s a 1C on probably half the current NHL rosters, and one of the best 2C on the rest.

      • Senatollah

        Yes he’s played first line minutes but he hasn’t excelled. Excelled is 75-100 point season. 58 points in 82 games is good to great second line player.
        Lets not oversell here. If Turris is our defacto first line centre next year it wont be the end of the world, but he is was he is.

        • Millennium

          you’re using point estimates that aren’t realistic anymore. Those numbers would be a target for a superstar 5-7 years ago, but look around the league and those numbers aren’t realistic for anyone not in the top 10-15 players in the league.

          It used to be that 1C = gamebreaker, 100 point player. That’s just not the reality of the NHL anymore. Turris isn’t a superstar like Getzlaf or Crosby, but he is a legit 1C with 1C production potential in the current NHL.

          • Senatollah

            Agree, he has the POTENTIAL. But he has not yet EXCELLED as a first line centre.
            I want more, expect more from a true legit 1st line centre. If he becomes one of the top 15 centres in the league great.

          • Millennium

            Excelling is relative to expectation. Yours are clearly set too high.

            You want a superstar as your 1C, which is fine to want, but that’s not necessarily a requirement to be 1C anymore. Turris’ production is exactly where a career 1st line centre’s would be at this point in his development.

            Superstar numbers are down across the board these days. Single players just don’t score as much as they used to. 60 points these days is like what 80 points were 5 years ago. You have to centre your expectations around the reality of the state of the game.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Exactly, there are only a handful of superstar centers in this league capable of putting up 75-100 points per season:

            Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos, Tavares, Backstrom, Getzlaf and now it looks like Seguin and Duchene are about to join that elite group. MacKinnon as well.

            These guys are all top draft picks. The only way to get your hands on a player of that caliber is by bottoming out and drafting at the top.

            Then there are great two-way centers that put up between 60-75 points:

            Toews, Kopitar, Bergeron, Krejci, O’Reilly etc

            I expect Turris to join this group of guys but not that first group. He’ll likely never put up the same kind of offense that you’ll see from Crosby, Stamkos or Backstrom, but if he can be a great two way player and still put up 60-75 points, he’ll be a good fit for our first line center.

          • sprucesens

            yup, what millennium said is bang on. Even guys like ovechkin are only getting 80-90 points. Teams are realizing that having just a high scoring team only gets you so far. They are trying to teach these players to back check and stop the goals going in to win more games.

        • Doc

          Sorry, but your expectations of a first line center are a bit over the top.

          He managed 60 points in his first (almost) full season getting first line competition. Only 4 centers managed more than 80 points this season, and the 10th position had 70 points.

          You could argue that Turris ain’t that far off.

          • Senatollah

            Had Spezza played a few more games, or rested when he needed it he may have broke 70 (66p/75gp).

          • FistsofNeil25

            No kidding his expectations for a number one center are over the top. Only 9 centers in the entire league had 70 or more points this season lol

        • MethotToMyMadness

          I agree with Millennium and Doc, Turris (58) points is right on schedule point wise with guys like Bergeron (62) and Krejci (69) in Boston. Or you could look at Backes (57) in STL, even Toews in Chicago with 68. Not every team has a 100 point C anymore, as long as the other lines have a better overall balance, which both of those teams do.

        • sprucesens

          100 point seasons are few and far between. You need to have 3 superstar players on one line that all get to close to that point, to be getting those kinds of points. Even the best player in the world with one of the best teams in the world still “only” hits 100-115 points a year. Not even close to fair to expect turris to be putting up 100 points ever. Spezza never will again either, unless he’s paired with allstar caliber players and they all have a fantastic year. 58 points and +25 is much better than 75 and -25. If he keeps putting in way more points than he is getting scored on, i’ll take that as a 1C any day

          • Jakester

            Exactly who has 100 point seasons nowadays, maybe one guy in the league. TUrris had 58 points, had hardly Any pp time and had to take a significant amount of the draws in his own end. Easily could’ve had 70 points, if not for those two issues.

    • FistsofNeil25

      No, I think most people have concerns about Turris not being ready for #1 duty, just like most people have concerns that Zibanejad isn’t ready to be a second line center, Cowen and Ceci probably aren’t ready to be top four defenseman, Lehner isn’t ready to be a starting goaltender. Those questions just begin to scratch the surface.

      People are giving Tookie grief because he’s using one preliminary game against France where Turris didn’t have a point as a reason for why he isn’t ready to be a number one center – pretty much the dumbest fucking idea ever – a comment that was made to rile fellow posters up, especially after being quick to come to Reimer’s defense lol that’s why Tookie is getting grief

      As for Turris and the other question marks surrounding the team…well unless Murray can be aggressive and actually fill in the holes we have, and our young players like Turris and company step up, this team will go absolutely nowhere next season.

      • Senatollah

        so Sens arent winning the cup next year?

      • I’m just sayin’

        Tookie’s being a dick because the team that he really cheers for lost last night and none of us give a rat’s ass

  • Sandy

    Pretty interesting read. An article from Yost.. included this link:

    http://www.thecasket.ca/archives/38372

    • SensChirp

      Thanks for passing that along. Good stuff and lots in there to discuss.

      • Sandy

        I think most of the discussion today is to trash Turris for Team Canada’s loss today…
        Some of these fans are just unbelievable..

        • FistsofNeil25

          It’s an insult to all of us to use Tookie’s comments as a representation of how our fanbase feels.

          • s3nsfan75

            That’s why she said

            …. “Some…of these fans are just unbelievable..”

          • FistsofNeil25

            I wasn’t actually being serious.

          • s3nsfan75

            sorry man, sarcasm gets lost online sometimes

          • FistsofNeil25

            sure does!

        • runningbear1974

          Only 1 person is trashing Turris… Most people love Turris, and believe in him… A few believe he’s not quite ready, yet… But. only 1 thrasher, who happens to be a person who likes to compliment players from other teams that others hate like Kadri, and Subban…
          Thrashes Sens, and Defends opposition…

    • FBP

      This interview causes me to endear the Coach. It’s nice to hear from the team and not feel queasy.

    • Zelle

      Thanks for this.

  • s3nsfan75

    Just thought I’d send all the chirpites working like slaves home for the weekend with a good laugh.

    Would you eat that???

    http://nesn.com/2014/05/nbc-handing-out-free-popsicles-during-playoffs-made-from-nhl-arena-ice/

    • sprucesens

      strange. no I would not. Blood, spit, and the opposing team were all on/in that. At least its free I suppose.

  • Sandy

    So Turris is being ripped apart by some on here today.. because Team Canada lost a game? Wow.. just wow. So it’s all Turris’ fault?
    IF they trade Spezza.. I then assume Turris will be the whipping boy when he can’t fulfill the role of a #1 centre.. sufficient enough for some people? Is he the next one driven out of town?
    It would have been better for Turris if MacArthur would have went to the Worlds.. at least there is familiarity between the two. How much has Turris played with MacKinnon (a top 6 forward) and Alex Burrows (I don’t think he is a top 6 forward) — Answer is NIL.. Same as the rest of the team… The more they play together … the better they will get.
    BTW — now lets here the trolling. Team USA is leading Belarus.. 4-1 in the 2nd. In net for USA — Tim Thomas. I guess he is playing for another contract?

    • Zelle

      Also MacKinnon, touted as the next Crosby by some analysts, only got an assist. By some people’s expectation he should have had a hat trick against lowly France.

    • aegiszx

      Dont worry, I’m already preparing for Karlsson’s departure in 5 years time because you just know he’s going to be the next whipping boy with fans citing his apparent inability to ‘defend’. This fanbase sometimes is just.. ugh.

      • runningbear1974

        But, people don’t just whip for no reason… Would you be satisfied if Karlsson got consistently 82pts, and was a minus 20… That wouldn’t be acceptable to me… This year he has his reasons, but if this continues for years… Are the fans just supposed to take the points and be happy about that? The fans of Ottawa are paying 6.5 million a year, that’s a lot…

    • runningbear1974

      Spezza wasn’t the whipping boy because he’s the #1 center… People criticized some of his behaviours on the ice… People also criticize Crosby’s whining… He’s still a good player, but he whines…
      And the guy who is criticizing Turris is someone that used to defend Spezza…
      It’s unfair in a way but Spezza gets compared to other #1 centers… The ones that get paid 7 million a year… Whereas, Turris is compared to other (what is he 24 years old) guys… And, Turris gets paid 3.5 million… When he gets 5 million i’ll judge him for that, when he gets 7 million, we’ll judge him for that.. It’s a lot of money, with a lot of expectations, as it should be…
      Turris is coming from a humble position… He will try and fill that #1 role if that’s what we ask of him… He’s not the #1 center because he expects it, or gets paid accordingly…
      I think of the difference between Alfie, and MacArthur… What is better for your team?
      Alfie at 7 million because that’s what he deserves…. OR…
      MacArthur at 3.5 million because he needs to prove himself…
      I suppose we can debate this…

  • Zelle

    So I guess when Crosby wasn’t scoring in the Olympics this year then that made some of you question whether or not he was ready to be a #1C? Seriously. One game does not a career make. Turris isn’t perfect and he’s not going to be the best player in the world but he sets up guys, stops the opposing team from scoring, scores a bit himself, and works his ass off. If you doubt a player because of ONE. SINGLE. GAME. then how can you even call yourself a fan?

    If you have doubts, fine, but don’t use one game as the reason why.

    • Jakester

      I’m sold on TUrris.

      • Zelle

        So am I but I always enjoy hearing reasonable counter views of other fans. Key word is reasonable.

        • bluebuyyoo

          Great point. But, reasonable is not something that you find too often these days. Too easy to trash someone for their opinion rather than respect their point of view and discuss the topic rationally.

          • Zelle

            So true, but for the most part this forum has a lot of fans that express different viewpoints without trying to start a flame war and I like that. I mean we’re all Senators fans I hope lol but the different opinions is what make discussions fun! In the end I’d like to think everyone just wants what’s best for the team.

  • Doc

    You got to give it to Tooks; he knows how to rile up this board.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I often wonder what kind of person makes it his daily mission to go out of his way to rile people up online lol

      • Zelle

        The kind of person who needs an outlet.

        • Jakester

          Must not have a girlfriend.

          • Zelle

            Hey now. I don’t have a girlfriend either and I don’t act like him ;)

          • Jakester

            Aren’t you a lady?

          • Zelle

            I am yes, bad joke I guess? lol

          • peetypuck

            I thought you said that you were a 28 year old female not too long ago.

      • s3nsfan75
  • FistsofNeil25

    I don’t know about you guys but I’m very disinterested in this second round of the playoffs. I watched an unbelievable amount of hockey during the first round. From 7:00pm until the late games were over I pretty much watched hockey every night for the first round.

    This round hasn’t been nearly as intense. I’ve tried to watch but I’m just not that intrigued. The Boston/Montreal series has been the most interesting so far but the games still haven’t lived up to the intensity of the first round. Pittsburgh/New York has been a total snooze-fest, as has ChicagoMinnesota and Chicago is my second favorite team. LA/Anaheim has been pretty decent I guess.

    I kind of just want the conference final round to get started, ya know?

    • SensChirp

      Same. Watched everything in round one but this round has been a struggle.

      • Zelle

        I’m glad I’m not the only one thinking this…

      • sprucesens

        I barely watched any since Colorado was ousted. Now I just watch the oil kings, and then boston for my father in law, but I skip some of it since I just don’t care. What to do in that situation. Cheer for the in-law’s team to win so he can gloat for another year, or cheer for the habs which is just not something I can bring myself to do. I don’t know which is better, habs knocking his team out so I can rub it in how our team manhandled them last year, but then have habs fans moving on the eastern finals, or have the bruins win again and probably go to the cup again, and hear about how the bruins are the best team in the league and should have had 3 cups by now… I love/hate hockey. lol

        • Sandy

          Just think about Iginla winning his first Stanley Cup..

    • runningbear1974

      yep, i feel the exact same way…

    • Doc

      It’s usually like this every year.

      First round of playoffs is always the best. Teams are fresh, motivated and ready to bang. They usually go all out. Later rounds tend to be less intense as fatigue and injuries set in.

  • Deadly

    Just checking in but I see ” my poor man’s Spezza ” had a decent game today. He deserves a chance on a team like ours.

    • Zelle

      Definitely seems to be an addition to the power play. It’ll be interesting to see how they handle him this off season. Can’t wait for the playoffs to be over so we can start hearing some news.

    • Jakester

      I Agree, but some people denigrate the poor guy. I’ve seen nothing but hard work turning this kid into a helluva player, but damn Leafs fans come on here to say shit(Tookie).

      • peetypuck

        What else can they say? They’re still pissed that we have an NHL hockey team and they don’t.

      • I’m just sayin’

        Tookie’s actually a Habs fan

        • Jakester

          He’s messed up that’s all I know.

    • runningbear1974

      If he has done everything we have asked him to do, and if he has continually improved than we should give him a try… It seems to me that he has put in the appropriate effort… Maybe Pageau will have to stay in the AHL this year…

  • Sandy

    Just looked at capgeek… and never realized before just how many RFAs and UFAs in Binghamton.

    Bryan Murray is going to be really busy this offseason. Bingo could be totally revamped as well…

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Or like i have been saying all along…the internal budget was done in order to not lose all of our upcoming FAs….most (if not all) are due for at least a marginal raise. See where we stand after we resign our current talent and then add. Would really suck to have to ditch someone that they are high on strictly due to money.

      Now they kinda hold all the cards(Still trying to look at things semi optimistically)

  • Sandy

    I guess the Rangers are inspired by St Louis? 2-0 Rangers..

    • Zelle

      Inspired by the Kings I hope. GRG!

  • Simple Jack

    our fan base is messed up, lets ditch our best goalie and our number 1 center, doing this will make us a better team… why do i bother reading this bullshit

    • runningbear1974

      I’m pretty sure Murray intends to extend Anderson… Look how many years it took Price to improve his game and become consistent… It will take time for Lehner, and we don’t have someone ready to compete for a spot yet…

    • Jakester

      Who’s your number one center?

    • Sandy

      No.. doing that gets you Connor McDavid…

    • Aaron 2.0

      I don’t think anybody thinks it makes our team better now. I think it’s more of an admission that reaching elite status is still a little ways off, which makes the situation with these sort of players tricky, for a budget team anyways.

      I’d like to see both stay around. But, I’m also hoping that Lehner continues to get better, and become a solid # 1. If that happens, Anderson may not be content to be 2nd fiddle. I don’t think there should be any rush on a decision w/ Anderson though. He should be here next year.

      On Spezza. If we could meet his demands on money and term, and he regresses a little with age, it wouldn’t be a problem on a cap team. His minutes would just be reduced, and he would eventually slot in on L2. The problem is that for the money and term he wants, on a budget team, they would really need him to stay at his elite status in the past. The team simply can’t afford to pay Spezza what he wants if his future seasons will look similar to this season. Having said all that, it sounds like Spezza isn’t willing to sign here. So, it really doesn’t even matter what we think. It just becomes a matter of making sure we don’t lose an asset like Spezza for nothing.

  • Sandy

    There has been so much negativity on here today.

    This, I swear, will make you laugh out loud.

    http://theleafsnation.com/2014/5/8/lfr-carlyle-extended

    My favourite from this.. they needed a new pair of shoes and they fired the laces.. LOL..

  • luckan20

    Rangers win 5-1 and take game 6 home. Can they win at home ???

  • Deadly

    Pretty funny”
    Guelph advances to Memorial Cup.
    Go Oil Kings.

    • Sandy

      The last I checked.. Guelph was down by a goal with 5 min left… 2 late goals again.. That team is good…

  • Deadly

    F’in Cooke.

  • Sandy

    When did Bryzgalov become a decent goaltender?

    1-1 Portland & Edmonton after the 1st period.

    • Zelle

      And what’s with all the cheap shots all of a sudden…

      • Sandy

        Didn’t like the Bollig hit…
        Especially didn’t like the knee on knee by Spurgeon. Seems Cooke taught him well… That’s 2 key Blackhawks injured by Minny. Seems like if you can’t beat them.. injure them.
        They did it in the Colorado series by taking out a key defenseman..
        Karma will get them…

        • Zelle

          They injured a lot of the Avs too sadly. I like many of the Wild players so it’s a shame… hopefully not their intentional game plan.

          • Sandy

            Injuring Tyson Barrie IMO gave the Wild the series win. All of those games were close — and losing their top PMD hurt badly.
            Now I didn’t see the ending of the game last night.. but I assume Kruger is out as well.. after the knee on knee hit?
            Shaw & Kruger are not top 6 players.. but they are key..
            The thought of Heatley having any success nauseates me… to a great degree..

    • peetypuck

      3-1 Oil Kings half way through the 2nd period.

    • Jakester

      Sandy, the mighty winterHawks have their hands full with Lazar and the Oil Kings. 3-1 now. Go LAZeR!

      • Sandy

        I’m guess by all of the penalties these 2 teams take.. they don’t like each other very much..

  • Jakester

    Lazar must be playing his ass off! Oil kings down 2-0 in games now leading the series 3-2!!!!

    • Sandy

      Next game tomorrow at home. Would be nice if one of these Canadian sports channels would carry that game?
      They carry the QMJHL and of course the OHL.. but seems like they forget about the other league…
      One Sens prospect — Harpur through to the Memorial Cup. Would be great to see another one in…

    • sprucesens

      didn’t get to watch last night, and sadly its mother’s day tomorrow so i have to miss that game too likely. lol. Will try to watch, but am at the mother in laws. Wish like hell i could go to the game, since it could be elimination win for the kings!

  • Tooks

    Turris just missed a golden chance on a brutal giveaway by Slovaks.

  • bluebuyyoo

    Canada wins 4-1. Turris named player of the game.

  • Sandy

    This is what gets so frustrating with NHL refs. In the Tampa series.. a Tampa player got a penalty when he was standing outside the blue paint and Price came out of his crease to bump him.. Now tonight.. Gallagher can stand inside the blue paint and doesn’t allow Rask to come out to the top of his crease to try to stop the puck. Not only is there no penalty — but it’s an allowed goal. What is a penalty for one team… should be a penalty for the other.. Time to go back to NO opposing player in the blue paint. You have to take the guess work from this total incompetent referees..

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