Draft Day Has Arrived

SensChirp June 27, 2014 1,144
Draft Day Has Arrived

(UPDATE 2:20 PM)- With Ryan Kesler on the move, things should heat up on the Jason Spezza front.  The offers will still have to improve but now Spezza becomes the primary trade target on the market.  St. Louis is obviously still at the front of all this.  Chicago, who missed out on Kesler, is likely to get involved.  As recently as this morning, I was told that the Dallas Stars have made a pitch.  It’s going to be a busy few hours for Bryan Murray and his staff.

Draft Day is finally here. Jason Spezza is still an Ottawa Senator but that very well could change before team’s step up to the podium in Philadelphia later tonight. As we settle in for what should be a frantic day around the National Hockey League, here’s a sampling of news, rumours and speculation related to the Senators.

Berglund and the Blues- Probably the name that has come up the most in connection with Jason Spezza. Actually, he may be the ONLY name that has come up in Spezza rumours. When he signed that three year deal last night, it certainly made him a more tradeable asset. The Blues have offered him. Ottawa said not enough. A lot can depend on the other pieces but if he ends up being part of a Spezza deal, I think the Senators settled.

Avalanche Warning- For some reason, the Avalanche have always come up when I ask people about Spezza. And they were definitely there at the deadline, as I’ve mentioned many times. And now with Paul Stastny testing the free agent market, it starts to make sense. Colorado is a budget team so a year of Spezza at $7 mil cap hit/$4 mil real dollars is probably attractive to them. Problem here? They may not know what is happening with Stastny until next week. They don’t want to match his last contract. He doesn’t want to go any lower. But still, he’s expected to give them a chance to match his best offer before signing elsewhere.

Playing Hardball- Listening to Murray yesterday compared to his last media availability, you would think the offers for Spezza actually got worse. And from what I have heard, that definitely isn’t the case. Yesterday looked like a General Manager sending a message to his peers, saying that if you want to get a deal done, the offers have to improve. They always do on Draft Day. Murray says he’s willing to drag this on as long as it takes but I really think the team’s preference is to get something done as soon as possible. A Ryan Kesler trade would certainly speed up the process for Ottawa. St. Louis, Anaheim, Florida, Dallas, Chicago, New York are all interested. Too many teams involved for one not to step up. Still think it happens before or during the Draft.

Moving a Defenceman- With yesterday’s contract to Eric Gryba, the Senators now have eight defenceman under contract for next season. Cody Ceci is on a two way but I really don’t think they want to have him in the AHL. At the same time, Ottawa has been mentioned as a team that might be looking for an upgrade on defence. Something has got to give here. Hard to imagine a scenario where the Senators don’t trade a defenceman before Training Camp in September.

The Bobby Ryan Extension- For whatever reason, there seem to be people that are convinced on both sides of this issue. Bobby will definitely sign. There’s no way Bobby is signing. I’ve received emails suggesting both scenarios. What I do know, is Bobby wants to see some sort of commitment to winning. I also know he has really enjoyed his time in Ottawa. The Senators will be working on this one beginning July 1st

The Next Captain- Keep hearing Ottawa wants to go young this time. Karlsson is the favourite in my mind and others in the know seem to agree. No Captain might be an option for a team that has had to change its Captain in consecutive summers but word is Karlsson really wants that C. Teammates love him too. At 24, Karlsson appears ready and motivated to take that next step and make this his team.

Free Agent Tracking- In yesterday’s media availability, Bryan Murray mentioned that he had some interest in one free agent and spoke to that player’s agent on Wednesday. My mind went straight to Daniel Alfredsson but it usually does. Steve Ott is a guy the Senators have looked at in the past so some were speculating it might be him. Not sure where Ott would fit in and as a UFA, you know somebody will overpay.

Alfie Watch- Not happening. No way. Senators aren’t interested. A sample of the sort of things contacts have told me when I ask about Alfie. Yet I’m having a hard time letting go. Detroit seems to be on the fence about bringing him back. Alfredsson definitely wants to play another year. Would he pick up his family and move to another new city? I dunno. For what it’s worth, I’ve heard there are pretty significant tax advantages involved with staying in the States for a couple years.

Stay tuned to the site throughout the day. Will provide updates as I get them. And if you’ve been around these parts the last couple weeks, you know there will be no shortage of discussion in the comment section below.

Happy Draft Day Everyone!

  • Dirk-Diggler

    What time before the first trade/signing? 2pm? over/under

    • spezzerman

      draft table/podium trade announcement!

    • Brock

      I don’t think anything major happens before the draft starts. Maybe a couple of small signings but that’s about it.

    • Tooks

      Nothing will happen before the draft, everyteam is focused on their draft priorities. IF anything happens it will be during the draft. Nothing for the Sens will happen tho.

      • EK65

        I think most teams have their list set by now.

      • Frankie Fives

        So, you’re wrong again seeing as the Kelser trade went down this afternoon. Why do you bother with these posts?

    • thirstytraveller

      after….I bet Buttman makes a trade announcement before the 1st selection is made.

    • thirstytraveller

      WOW!!!!!! 1:55pm Kesler traded!

  • RUSH RLZ

    Draft day post!

    The Alfie thing is real, real simple. There is almost no move that we could make that would better heal the pain from last summer, to boost ticket sales this year, and to claw back some respect for the org.

    If your sources are telling you that so strongly I would suspect that either 1) Alfie has been the one to tell them flat out “no way” and they are trying to position it the other way around or 2) someone there has their head stuck way too far up their ass to see the obvious, myriad benefits.

    I am fine with it not happening, but not to explore that would be asinine.

    • Tooks

      Oh I’m sure the Sens have explored it but as much sense as this makes for the Sens Org, it makes no sense whatsoever for Alfie.

      • Michenator

        Except all of his friends and family here in Ottawa, and he already has a house here…

        • Sandy

          HAD a house here. Lehner now lives in it. They could always bunk with EK.

        • Tooks

          Many NHL players have houses in different cities…That doesnt mean anything. Alfie is gonna go where he feels he has the best chance to win a Cup.

          • thirstytraveller

            yup for all their GFs!

        • Aaron 2.0

          It’d be a dream come true. But, he’s so close to retirement (maybe he will actually retire), I don’t really see the benefit for him. If he had years of playing left, sure, he’d want to put his family in the best spot possible (that could be Ottawa). But, in a few years, or probably less, he can take his family and golf game to any city he wants.

      • RUSH RLZ

        It can make great sense for both sides. Alfie probably wouldn’t come back though unless we made the $$$ commitment to compete this year, so that would be great for him and great for the team and great for his fans. People would fast forget he was ever gone, he would set up his transition into a new role with the team once he hangs up the skates and would be great for his family.

        Emphasis on the commitment to winning. That notion + Alfie back is terribly, terribly exciting. Let’s hope Melnyk gets toasted on rum all this week and just hands over the cheque book everytime Bryan asks.

        • Tooks

          Sens are in no position to contend, if Alfie is looking at contenders.

          • RUSH RLZ

            Today we are not. Five days from now could be an entirely different story.

  • Frankie Fives

    Just wanna point something out Chirp. When talking Cody Ceci, you wrote “Cody Ceci is on a one way…”

    • SensChirp

      I wrote the post in about 15 minutes, and only a quick re-read before posting. If that’s the only mistake in there its a freaking miracle. Thanks!

  • RUSH RLZ

    I know we all have ants in our pants, but if waiting for Kesler and Stastny to drop first would increase our position of strength so much, I hope that is exactly what Murray does.

    Besides everyone here but me it seems is absolutely pooping on any thought of first rounds picks this year, if we wait until the draft has passed, we start talking first rounders next year.

    • Captain Karl

      That is exactly what I am thinking. Lets get another first for next year when the draft is going to be full of top end prospects

      • Tooks

        Yeah ofcourse, makes sense, because all the other teams dont want to pick in the most anticipated draft in a decade.

        • Captain Karl

          well some teams have already given up their first for next year. So whats your point

    • spezzerman

      Bryan Murray has been in the business a long time and understands the need for patience as much as anyone. I have full faith in him navigating this trade. I believe whatever he ends up getting will be the best offer they get.

    • Tooks

      I highly doubt anyone will be giving up 2015 1st rounders without major compensation, supposed to be the draft of the decade!

      • RUSH RLZ

        No worries, I’m not too bummed out by by most anything that you highly doubt or highly believe. ;)

  • Dirk-Diggler

    CapGeek @capgeek
    #Blackhawks have $68.6M cap payroll with 21 players signed. http://www.capgeek.com/blackhawks/ #NHL

    I wonder if we can pry a few pieces off them for cheap…. a trade that doesn’t consist of trading away JS19 there..

    • Captain Karl

      If the Hawks sign Toews and Kane to 12 mil contracts they will be screwed for many years to come. I actually don’t mind being a budget team for now as long as we spend at the right time.

      • Tooks

        Nope, they wont, this has been discussed before. Not really an issue.

        • Andrews theory

          ya i got news for you… just cuz you say so doesnt make it so.

          hawks will dump salary, they’ll have to especially if they bring in a 2C

          • Tooks

            Teravainen will be on ELC as 2C and at most they will have lots of time before he get up there in $$$.

            And yes they will have to dump some players, but its nothing they havent done before. Versteeg, Bickell, Sharp, are prime candidates to be sent packing.

        • Captain Karl

          Don’t kid yourself. When there is a huge disparity between the top players and the bottom players it causes decension. Look at Crosby he makes less than Malkin because he wants to win and he knows if he chews up all the dollars there will be none left to make the team competitive.

          • Tooks

            LMAO Crosby makes 800K less than Malkin, lol. Keep trying tho.

      • Aaron 2.0

        I don’t think anybody predicts they end at 12. That’s an opening number for those players in negotiation. But, I could see them both pushing 10. How much it hurts them will remain to be seen, I guess. I get the feeling that the cap is mainly just widening the disparity b/w top and bottom players.

      • Tooks

        And in the end they wont be making 12Mil, probably close to 10Mil, which they can handle no problem.

  • Sandy

    Hearing Pierre MacGuire on the radio this morning, he was really questioning what has happened in Ottawa. With Heatley, Alfie and now Spezza wanting out. He said it is a great City to live in and was a good organization to play for.
    I wanted to yell into the radio.. it’s the Owner who won’t spend.

    • Brock

      #BlameMelnyk

    • Tooks

      Its obviously not as good as he thinks, something behind the scenes has unfolded and in a bad way. The Org has lost alot of respect with its own players.

    • connor

      lol it’s an awful city to live in. It’s a boring old government town full of uptight conservatives. It doesn’t help that the fanbase is the one of the most fickle in all of sports so I think Pierre missed the mark on this one.

      • Kohlmanator

        Thanks for coming out.

    • Sensnation

      It’s always the owner’s fault. Who do you blame in Calgary, Edmonton, Phoenix, Florida, Winnipeg, Carolina, Buffalo, Nashville? Are half the owners in the NHL just too selfish to spend, or are they in smaller markets that can’t support the new cap numbers as well as fans would like?

      Hell even Detroit is falling off fast.

      This isn’t the first time we’ve heard our various owners claim poor in Ottawa.

  • spezzerman

    If Karlsson is openly campaigning for the captaincy and “really wants that C,” that is an amazing sign. To me that says a lot about his commitment to the Sens and where he sees himself on the team. If he was indifferent to it, that could mean he is really disenfranchised with whatever it is that is going on. Maybe I’m reaching here?

    • Sandy

      Give him the “C”.. and bring back Alfie to mentor him on how to be a good captain.

  • Sandy

    Listening to both interviews yesterday (Dorion & Murray) — Murray said he spoke to one UFA’s agent, whereas Dorion said he spoke to a couple or something like that. So how many did they really talk to?
    My only concern right now is Bobby Ryan. Spezza will be dealt with at some point.

    Losing Alfie hurt ticket sales. Losing Spezza will hurt ticket sales. Losing Ryan will tremendously hurt ticket sales.

    This organization needs something good to happen and fast.

    • Hax

      I got the impression that Dorion has been very active. Basically dealing with agents and GMs even and then running things by Bryan when they get serious.

    • RUSH RLZ

      Dimes to donuts they put in calls with just about all of the bigger ticket UFAs. It is called diligence. I *think* they are just trying to convey this propoganda notion to other GMs that they are comfortable to sit pat as is, ala the Spezza ordeal.

    • Phil.

      Dorion mentioned he spoke to some FA about B-sens. So 1 NHL plus some B-sens types?

  • the dj

    I think stl will over pay at the deadline if they look who is ahead of them in the standings before the dl and I think that would up other teams offers too imo

    • Hax

      The problem with trading Spezza at the deadline is his high cap number. Not many contending teams will have room to add $7M in cap dollars (pro-rated of course).

      • peetypuck

        Florida, Anaheim, Dallas, Phoenix, Colorado…

        • Hax

          Two of those aren’t contenders. The other three will likely be very near the cap by the time the season starts. Although if a team finds itself suddenly contending despite not spending to the cap then sure, they’d be an option for Spezza at the deadline. Doesn’t happen often though and hard to create a bidding war with only one team.

      • Sandy

        St Louis has the cap room for him as well.

        • the dj

          and at the DL it should be about half that hit

        • Hax

          At the moment? Sure. But if they don’t get Spezza now they’ll likely add someone via trade or UFA. So I think they’ll be close to the cap when the season starts.

          Again, not saying there can’t be a non-cap team in the running by the deadline, but it does limit the options when you’re talking about a $7M player as a rental.

    • Sandy

      I’m not convinced the St Louis will be as good next season with Elliott as the starter and a rookie behind him.
      When the pressure is on, Elliot panics or something.

      • the dj

        yeah we all saw that a few years ago when elliot was a sen

      • Phil.

        I suspect Jake Allen will be the starter, not Elliott. He’s their goalie of the future.

        • spezzerman

          yeah for sure. Elliot is pure backup. They gave the keys to Allen who has put in his time

    • peetypuck

      I heard that ownership told Armstrong that the Blues have to get to the finals next year. Losing in the 1st or 2nd round is no longer acceptable.

      • ProfessorPower

        St.Louis is overrated, especially with Elliot/Allen as the current number 1. I don’t think they get past LA Chicago San Jose and the Ducks in a 7 game series. They can compete against Dallas and Minny.

        • peetypuck

          If they don’t, Armstrong and Hitchcock might be fired. They better improve the team this summer.

  • ProfessorPower

    Some guy on HF is saying ROR is the player Murray was talking about when he said yesterday that someone brought a name up that hadn’t been brought up before.

    • FBP

      Is it benjvinin?

    • Spoons

      Some guy on the internet says… Well, it must be true!

      • ProfessorPower

        Thats what Senschirp is.

    • RUSH RLZ

      I hope they are talking to the ROR camp, as I suggested I would assume with confidence that we HAVE based on diligence…

      Murray’s comment however heavily suggested that he had a conversation about one of OUR players that he never had before, so I doubt his comment was about ROR.

    • Andrews theory

      just cant see it nor does he fit the cost per point structure the sens have.
      would be awesome though

    • Sandy

      Will Colorado end up choosing between ROR and Stastny?

      • Spoons

        That would make sense

        • Tooks

          They could sign both at 6Mil per but not that much more, that would put them at 60-62Mil and withing “budget”.

          • Sandy

            What’s it like to have a 60M dollar budget?

  • A-Train

    Chirp, you’ve been on the Colorado train for a while. Is there more to this than you’re letting on? C’mon, you can tell us…..

    • Tooks

      Colorado has more than enough to re-sign both Stastny & O’Reilly.

      • A-Train

        More likely if Stastny goes they look to Spezza and offer us Parenteau.

      • Sandy

        The rumour out there is they don’t want either to be over the salary of Matt Duchene.

  • Richard Gough

    If Spezza want out quickly as possible he might have to ex stand his list of teams that he want to go too. Sound like Murray won’t Jason unless he get what he wants in return.

    • Tooks

      Jason doesnt want out quickly, he’s open to a trade but will play out his contract here if Murray cant find a deal he likes.

      • Jakester

        he’s moving today dude!

        • Sandy

          I don’t think he is. Too much out there with Kesler & Stastny, Once they go, then Spezza goes..

    • the dj

      He should consider a 1 year extention to make himself more appealing in a trade so he doesnt look so much like a rental bergy did a 3 year deal

      • Richard Gough

        But doing that could hurt him as well who says has a bad season or get injured .

  • Brock

    Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
    Florida is considering a number of trade options for the 1st pick, including teams outside the top 10 offering current NHL players…

    • Brock

      Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
      The Panthers intend on making their decision on whether or not to trade the pick before they get to the Draft floor…so, likely before 5pm.

    • Spoons

      and the plot thickens

    • EK65

      “Outside the top 10″ doesn’t necessarily link the Sens. I mean, technically we are outside the top 10, because we are outside of the top 30. We have no 1st rounder.

    • Tooks

      Yep but within the 1st round, and we dont have any…You can officialy rule us out for FLA’s 1st round pick.

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    I am a happy man with the way Murray is playing this! This is exactly what I said a month or more ago: Fuck no to Berglund as a center piece, and turn this into a bidding war!!! AND nothing says he has to be moved today, tomorrow or next week. Murray is playing this PERFECT! Again this is a position of strength he’s dealing from! and so far so good Mr. Murray. Keep it up now!

    I’m going to be pissed if Wiercioch is traded,, and so will Kyle Turris. Reeaaallllyyy don’t see a spot for Gryba on this team,,, He’s be a solid Western conference Dman, but his game isn’t cut out for the East. And he takes dumb penalties at extremely inopportune times!

    We don’t need Ott. Argghhhh Come on!!!! We need to get Juuuuuiiiiiiiccccccyyyyy!

    And if BM’s kickin tires on Gudbranson, it couldn’t hurt to check in on Bogo!

    CMac Grizzman for the C!

  • Max2166

    I think the Jason Spezza trade will be made today.

    • Spoons

      The more we expect a trade, the more disappointed we are. I expect the Spezza trade to happen before trade deadline next year

      • Max2166

        We can always hope.

  • Pasky

    “What I do know, is Bobby wants to see some sort of commitment to winning.”

    This is the line that scares me the most. We’ve heard this about both Alfie and Spezza and both have walked away from the table. Considering Ryan is younger than the two maybe they would try to sell the fact that they want to commit to win in 2-3 years, but I’m not sure if Ryan goes for that. If he would, I imagine he would only take a 2-3 year contract and if they don’t have a competitive team by then he can walk away, but that’s a high cap hit and you know BM wants a long term deal.

    I still think the team gets it done because I know if they get rid of Bobby Ryan, Karlsson will definitely think about it, although I think he’s proud enough to play out his contract before walking away or whatever, but the relationship would be strained. Not too mention losing him after 2 years and giving up some young quality pieces, I imagine they lose alot of the fan base, myself included.

    • ProfessorPower

      I like that line, puts far more pressure on Murray to get an impact player in this Spezza trade. If BM gets mediocre players he weakens his chance of signing Ryan.

    • Captain Karl

      Obviously the circumstances are different. The team is headed in the right direction and finally will have Murrays stamp on it. Both Alfie and Spezza dont fit into the plan because of their age and in the latter case injury history. We have remained relatively competitive for the last few years but it is a new generation of players coming. Just for fun I watched game 1 of the 2007 finals and it was quite obvious that some of our players that are left have slowed down considerably.

    • peetypuck

      Bobby Ryan becomes the Big Dog up front when Spezza moves on. Something he’s always wanted. Murray and Paulrus will be telling him and Turris that it’s up to them to take the Sens to the playoffs. That has to be one of the best compliments a hockey player can hear…to be the go-to guy. As long as Murray gets them the back up Turris and Ryan will be motivated next season.

  • AutoTurris

    schwartz…
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    Schartz!
    Schwartz!!
    Schwartz!!!
    SCHWARTZ!!!!

    #keepthedreamalive

    • Captain Karl

      Yes

  • peetypuck

    “Loose lips sink Spezza’s trade value”. Sportsnet’s main headline.
    Sportsnet is really trying to devalue Spezza.

    • KingKarlsson84 – RSU is pathet

      Sportsnet is worse than the Ottawa Sun….

    • Sandy

      Toronto media… you don’t need to say anymore.

    • Max2166

      Sportsnet has nothing good to say about the Sens. What a joke!

  • Hax

    Shatt-En-Kirk! Shatt-En-Kirk!!!

    • Captain Karl

      No

    • EK65

      Won’t happen.

    • AutoTurris

      This is a blatant copyright infringement. As you can see, I clearly trademarked my comment below. You sir, are about to be sued for everything you have

      • Hax

        Yeah but mine has no typos ;)

        • AutoTurris

          What will I do with the funds that I will procure from your tear-drenched hands you may ask? I’m going to write a big fat ass check to Murray if he gets me what I want

          • Hax

            If I had any money I’d intentionally lose the suit just so that could happen.

  • KingKarlsson84 – RSU is pathet

    I’m also believing a deal gets done today for Spezza. Too much talk in the media for this to go on to July 1st. Will be interesting to see what the return is.

  • RUSH RLZ

    Ok. Here is the harsh fact of the matter. It is difficult to come out and say it, and it would be perplexing to believe that Melnyk and his brain trust must do not realize this as well, which makes it even more alarming…

    We have rode the wave of a shortened season and the season thereafter, where fans across the league were avid to see hockey back and tended to come back in droves. Despite that we had some poorly attended games last year and we have our owner talking about losing money. Long gone are the days of strong attendance, the glory years of having a well built, exciting team with proper money spent on the commitment to win… Gone. Struggling attendance and $$$ should be of no surprise to anyone who has followed the decline of this team recently.

    We are way past the point of “keep to a budget, open the wallets when the time is right”. Fans are already losing confidence in the situation, players are too. We stay the course and attendance will get worse, and more players will be even more reluctant to come here. Compounding problems…

    We can buck the trend, but unless we do it now, this looks like the harsh reality we are facing:

    Last year: Lose the face of the franchise, beloved hockey hero, the legendary Alfie. Why? $$$. Not even big $$$. The perception of this definitely hurt us at the box office this year and lingers like a sick, rotting stench.

    This year: Lose a superstar. Spezza looks to be done here. What return we get and other moves we make remain TBD, but how confident are any of the fans that we will leverage our assets and cap space to try and ice a winning team? Yeah the silence is
    deafening. Another kick in the balls for tickets sales. Our owner, more and more
    will bemoan losing money.

    Next year: Ryan gone, nobody exciting back. We realize even players that love the city have zero faith in our franchise to commit to win and look elsewhere instead. Even players who like the city bolt, how does that bode for free agents? Downward spiral continues. Attendance plummets even more. Team is bleeding money. Compounding problems… before we know it EK65 wants out as well.

    This depressing shit! It is almost inevitable unless we turn the tides NOW. Damage has already been done but can quickly be restored. In another year or two this will not be the case.

    Keep Spezza or package and trade him for very valuable player(s) back!

    Take a real shot at players being drooled over across the league! Stastny, O’Reily! Boyle, Vanek! Kick tires on anyone who would be a huge boost to bring us to contention. Use our cap space to pad our team with more talent whether Spezza stays or not.

    ^— leverage that to earnestly explore bringing Alfie back. Fans would love it, sales booster and would right the greatest wrong in the history of our franchise!

    In July, extend the fuck out of MacArthur, Ryan, Methot if that fits our plan for winning! Show that star players want to stay here, show the commitment to spend to win, restore the faith of the fanbase and stability of the franchise!

    We are at the crossroads of turning this around or plummeting into a far worse situation. We address this now or there are very VERY dark days ahead for the Senators.

    • Captain Karl

      News Release: Senators named No. 1 Professional Sports Team in Canada by ESPN the Magazine’s Ultimate Standings

      OTTAWA – The Ottawa Senators have been ranked the top Canadian team in all major professional sports and ninth overall among the 122 teams included in ESPN the Magazine’s 2013 Ultimate Standings, which were released online today.

      Every year, ESPN the Magazine compiles the results of fan surveys and financial analysis to determine which teams in the NHL, NFL, NBA and MLB offer the greatest rewards for the emotion, money and time that fans invest in them. In all, 122 teams from the four leagues were ranked in order based on a weighted average of scores in eight different categories ranging from the quantitative to the emotionally subjective. The eight categories include affordability, “bang for the buck”, coaching, fan relations, ownership, players, stadium experience and title track.

      “Our fans are always one of the Senators organization’s most important priorities.This year’s ESPN ranking is a testament to the ongoing commitment of our entire organization to continually focus on providing the best possible experience for our great fans,” said Senators owner Eugene Melnyk. “We are thrilled and extremely proud to be recognized as Canada’s top professional sports team and to achieve an overall top-10 ranking in all of professional sports.”

      The Senators ranked ninth overall, first among all Canadian sports franchises and third among National Hockey League franchises. Ottawa ranked third in the NHL behind the Pittsburgh Penguins (seventh) and Anaheim Ducks (eighth). The NBA’s Memphis Grizzlies were the top ranked team in the Ultimate Standings. Ottawa’s ranking is an improvement of 33 places, after it placed 42nd in 2012. The Senators ranked 82nd of 122 teams in 2011.

      For a full breakdown of ESPN the Magazine’s 2013 Ultimate Standings, click here: http://ottsens.com/15lPmnL

      The Senators, have reached the playoffs in 14 of the last 16 NHL seasons, reaching the second round of the Stanley Cup playoffs last season for the first time since 2007. Ottawa begins its 2013-14 campaign on Friday, Oct. 4, in Buffalo against the Sabres before opening its home schedule on Thursday, Oct. 17, when they host the New Jersey Devils at Canadian Tire Centre.

      Ottawa Fans Suck

      • Tooks

        Haha is this a joke? Reading a few comments below that article would say, yep…

      • RUSH RLZ

        Talk to someone at ticketing about how season ticket sales are going, and then ask yourself whether the fans suck or there are issues with the way this team is being run. Short of being a dimwit, I know what side most people would fall on. the only thing that “sucks” about our fans is that we don’t have the market size of Toronto where we could ice dog shit and still sell out.

    • my2sens

      My sentiments exact. I have said it for a while… Euge is always saying, I will spend when the time is right… however, there is no true right time, there is no winning formula other than to put the top players on the ice.

      So we need him to spend and get players here, increase attendance with an increased energy and excitement…. and let the dice fall.

    • spezzerman

      I agree with everything unless you mean try to outbid other teams for UFA’s at any price.

      • RUSH RLZ

        Not at any price of course, but get in the game, take that money and spend it wisely! Same goes for extending the boys as well.

        • Harv

          I think that is what Melnyk said and he is being drawn and quartered.

          • RUSH RLZ

            Fuck dude, did you not read my 90 page rant? Spend! Spend towards the cap! but do it smart! Get some hope, consumer confidence going in this town!

    • http://batman-news.com Guest

      I honestly think you are correct in that the Sens are at a crossroads. Nothing against the current team, but they are a ‘B’ group compared to other NHL franchises. Reality is, if I want to walk a bunch of young guys, I’d go to a 76′s game in a nice new arena. Add to the fact that there is another professional franchise in Ottawa (RedBlacks), with better parking, a central location, less commitment for games (8 vs. 42), and cheaper season tickets, the Sens will now need to compete for the sport entertainment dollar. Hell, I know 3 people who have cancelled their season tickets and bought RedBlack season tickets. They’ll buy individual games to watch the current team. If they thought times were tough before, I think they’re in for a wake-up call.

      • Sandy

        I’m going to the first Redblacks game on July 18th. It’s going to be really interesting to see how long it takes to put 16,000 people on OC Transpo buses.
        Season tickets to 41 hockey games or 8 football games Big difference in $$$.

    • Sensnation

      THE SKY IS FALLING!!!

      • RUSH RLZ

        Wait and see there Captain Positive! ;) I only hope I don’t have a chance to prove you wrong.

        • Sensnation

          Look things are a bit tough right now, we have a very young roster and the cap is growing every year. We are a small market, at some point we have to realize this and stop expecting this owner, the last owner or the next owner to just throw money at the team for our benefit.

          I personally think things get better in a year or two with tv revenue, but fans ran Spezza out and are now acting like it’s either him who just decided to leave or like it’s management/owners causing it. If fans treated Spezza even close to respectfully we wouldn’t even be dealing with this. I agree there are more factors, but if he felt loved instead of blamed for a decade, he could learn to live with a lot of other things.

          Anyways, I just don’t think it’s as bleak as everyone else does. Our roster isn’t terrible it’s just not elite, and I think we can still make some noise this coming year with or without Spezza.

    • Sandy

      Big name UFAs coming to Ottawa.. NIL and NONE. Now by some miracle that Alfie would come back may restore the reputation of the organization as right now it’s pretty much non-existant
      If Ryan won’t re-sign he will be gone this year as well.

  • my2sens

    A leaked video of Spartacat (top negotiator for Sens) and Murray talking to GM Armstrong (who just left the Sci-Fi convention)

    http://youtu.be/UHw6KXbvazs

    • THE best looking Erik

      Sigh – Schwartz is the German word for BLACK

  • EK65

    Are there draft day betting lines anywhere?

    Chirp, if there’s a Spezza line, you know what to do.

  • SensChirp

    A team I’m expecting to hear about today- The Dallas Stars. Really think they’ll make a push for Spezza at some point.

    • my2sens

      For who? We getting the Gonch back?

    • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

      Nichushkin or nope!

      • my2sens

        Scared of Russians….

      • ProfessorPower

        Nichushkin!! YUP

      • THE best looking Erik

        Comrade Nichuskin you say ?

        Next you’ll be telling me that Maria Sharapova is Melnyk’s new
        significant other

    • Pasky

      I hope it’s Chiasson so I can win the pool lol

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Anybody gonna miss Timmy Murray announcing our pick toni- “The Ottawa Senators Select…” lol.

    • THE best looking Erik

      Buffalo has so many picks that Tim might as well just stay at the podium
      the whole time

  • AutoTurris

    Here it is ladies and gents

    FORWARDS
    Clarke MacArthur ($3.250m) / Kyle Turris ($3.500m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
    Jussi Jokinen ($3.000m) / Mika Zibanejad ($0.894m) / Mark Stone ($0.603m)
    Milan Michalek ($3.333m) / Ryan O’Reilly ($6.500m) / Mike Hoffman ($0.750m)
    Chris Neil ($1.900m) / Zack Smith ($1.888m) / Colin Greening ($2.650m)
    Erik Condra ($1.250m) /
    DEFENSEMEN
    Erik Karlsson ($6.500m) / Marc Methot ($3.000m)
    Jared Cowen ($3.100m) / Patrick Wiercioch ($2.000m)
    Chris Phillips ($2.500m) / Eric Gryba ($1.250m)
    Mark Borowiecki ($0.575m) /
    GOALTENDERS
    Craig Anderson ($3.188m)
    Robin Lehner ($0.870m)

    • Hax

      Flip ROR and Zibby I think. So what’s the total spend? What’s the full Spezza trade look like? Where’s Ceci?

      • Sandy

        ROR is NOT coming to Ottawa. Get that out of your head. This team is going to have an issue to get to the floor.

    • Wyzerd

      Looks exactly like one of the teams that lead the league in goals against last year?

  • Finn 8

    Is the Coyotes on “No Fly List”

    • Hax

      Except that Spezza has apparently indicated he has some flexibility there. I can see him changing his mind a bit since Jan 1st when he submitted his list.

      Or maybe he sticks to his guns there.

    • Sandy

      Nope..

  • FBP

    Still nothing eh? Teams must be saving announcements for tonight.

  • A-Train

    On Hockey Central: John Shannon just spoke to Murray & MacLean. Says they sound very negative about trade. Nobody offering a 1st…or a package they like.

    • Hax

      The only thing I’ll say to that is I think Murray is only willing to pull the trigger pre-draft IF he gets a great package that includes a first round pick this year. Otherwise I think he’s content to wait until July 1st.

      • Spoons

        … or trade deadline next year

        • Pasky

          no

        • Hax

          I think that’s way too late to wait. Offers can’t be better at the deadline than on July 1st IMO.

    • Pasky

      I still think that’s posturing to a point. If they say their happy with the offers they have gotten so far it doesn’t give other teams incentives to improve their offers. At the same time, teams know that BM wants to do the trade to day for a first round pick so I expect that some of the teams will throw their best offer at the last minute before they draft, that way it doesn’t give others the chance to improve their own offers because the pick is on the clock. Essentially a game of chicken, at least this is what I’m feeling in my gut.

    • two to Tootoo too

      this can easily go on all summer IMO
      remember Nash last year

      • A-Train

        I think that’s what we’re looking at here. Murray will wait for the dust to settle and the Stastnys and Kesslers to sign. Then he’ll work with whoever’s left.

        But I’m impatient. I may have to take some kind of radical action if the Spezzculation is a multi-month extravaganza.

    • RUSH RLZ

      I know it is all sorts of posturing to get better value back but… sort of ironic he wants a first round pick, considering 90% of the posters here act like they would just wipe their arses with it, it is so worthless!

      • TookieIs100PercentRight

        Ekblad and Bennett etc. are obviously nice but they aren’t getting that back for a one year rental. Murray NEEDS to get a warm body that produces so that the fans have a distraction/talking point. It’s obviously great if he gets 1st/prospect/body but I’d rather have the “body”, especially if it’s NHL ready.
        TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!

  • Pasky

    This tweet from Pierre Lebrun

    29 minutes ago
    Real_ESPNLeBrun: Teams eagerly awaiting cap number. Said one GM: “There is going to be some major scrambling if the number if lower than thought.”

    This is probably holding back teams as well since they don’t even know how much room they have to fit Spezza on their salary anyways.

    • xN1Cx

      Maybe a stupid question, but when is the number released?

      • Hax

        Supposed to be today – like in an hour or two at most. NHL and NHLPA have to agree on it.

        • Pasky

          And apparently there was a chance that it might be a little lower than 70M, so anyone remotely close to the Cap isn’t gonna do anything until they get a firm number. Funny enough but the Salary Cap will more than likely be the first domino to fall and start the chain effect.

          • Hax

            Yup. Interesting detail to the new CBA structure and cap world etc.

    • Hax

      Great point. Goes for most other trades/dominoes as well.

    • Sandy

      It will probably be what they predicted at 71M.. They made a lot of $$$ last season, well some teams did.

  • two to Tootoo too

    soooo – with the 40th pick will Ottawa select a Swede ?

  • Pasky

    And here’s a time waster that’s an interesting read my Scott Cullen.

    http://www.tsn.ca/fantasy_news/feature/?id=121382

    He listed depth charts for teams based on players they drafted in the nhl that played last season. Just interesting to see what some teams could have been had they been able to keep some players. Most notably is Philly’s top 6 in this scenario:

    Sharp-Giroux-Williams
    Van Riemsdyk-Richards-Carter

    That would be scary if they didn’t frank it up lol

    • Sensnation

      Sens would be so loaded up front, but our D and goaltending would be pretty similar to what it is. Pretty fun to see, thx man.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Dang the Sens really could use Jason Garrison

  • clarkeinthedark

    Let’s all do our best to enjoy tonight! Have a beer and take it all in! Go Sens Go, and more importantly, Go Murray Go!

  • Max2166

    TSN 1200 just said that Ryan Kesler should be traded. Maybe that helps the Jason Spezza situation.

    • esk

      he is traded?

      • Max2166

        To who?

        • esk

          thought thats what you said..lol nvm

      • CohMa

        No… But Farhan Lalji just tweeted:
        “Very real possibility of Garrison to Tampa and Kesler to Anahiem happen today.”
        Hardly anything imminent

        • peetypuck

          “Very real possibility” sounds like he’s just guessing.

  • Michenator

    Will it be streamed online anywhere?

  • Spoons

    I blame Twitter for the lack of NHL trades.

    • boom

      Funny, I blame twits. (I don’t have a high opinion of many GM’s.)

    • runningbear1974

      I think they’re not allowed to make a trade at this point until tonight… As per Bettman’s instructions…

      • peetypuck

        He won’t be very happy if Tallon trades the #1 pick to Ottawa. That would have Canadian teams drafting in six of the top nine positions including #1 overall.

  • thirstytraveller

    Trade Anderson for a solid D Man, sign Brodeur for a 1 year deal and let him know a coaching/management position could be available after the player contract expires. Brodeur and Lehner could split games. Lehner gets to learn from one of the best, if not the best.

    • sens88

      Brodeur sucks and has for years. Do not want him playing 1/2 our games

      • RUSH RLZ

        AND if he is dumb enough to tarnish his (amazing) Legacy, let him do that on some other team, not ours!

    • RUSH RLZ

      No way to Brodeur!

      • Sandy

        Isn’t his son playing across the river?

    • Max2166

      Brodeur’s agent Pat Brisson has said that 6 teams have spoken to him. I do not think the Sens have.

    • two to Tootoo too

      YEESH – a huge glut of goalies are available – nobody wants Anderson

  • aegiszx

    Marty would get absolutely floored with our D… He’d probably hang em up half way through the season lol

  • Harv

    Some thoughts related to not much else but my opinion. Well, it is as good as all the speculation going on here, I suppose.

    We have to get off the Alfie kick. He is gone and is not returning, at least as a player. None of us know what happened but it is done and over. If Karlson gets the “C” we will have a captain who: is the best player on the ice at any given time, wears his heart on his sleeve, is totally committed to being the best he can be on every shift, doesn’t need to be told he screwed up – he already has told himself, has the respect of everyone in the room, has unlimited access to Alfie for “captain tips”, is a player we want on this team until HELL freezes over.

    Making Karlson the captain lets Ryan know you want to win because that is what Karlson lives for – to win. Ryan, Turris and MacArthur are named the future of the franchise. Ryan has been wanting this all his life. What is not to love about Ottawa? You only hate it if you are from Toronto and then you hate anyplace that is not toronto – I know, my brother is in Toronto.

    Murray has everything under control. We have great players in the pipeline. I offer Florida Spezza and one of our prospects who would go in the top ten of this draft (Prince) and throw in Greening. Oh, alright, take Condra as well. Great PK guy. Take the #1 pick and get myself an NHL ready defenceman.

    There is so much excitement around this team right now – you gotta love it!

    • Rafi Bomb

      I am not convinced that Karlsson is ready to be the captain. He has a tremendous amount of skill and he has started to show signs of being well rounded with flashes of high caliber defensive manoeuvres as well as increased physicality (i.e. when he ran over Clarkson) but he isn’t quite there yet.

      Naming Karlsson the captain would be a big gamble at this point. There isn’t much justification to suggest he is ready for that role now, so the organization would be banking on the potential implications in terms of development would occur due to Karlsson being placed in that role. It could be the best thing for him and this organization or it could be the worst thing for him. The Senators took a similar risk by naming Spezza captain and as we saw it didn’t work out at all. With that stated, Spezza and Karlsson are different players and the disparity in terms of their gap has a big effect on the potential gains to be had by naming Karlsson as a Captain.

      In terms of a risk mitigation standpoint it would be more ideal to name a player captain who exudes leadership qualities, has already come into their own and can help stabilize the locker room and help establish the right type of identity that MacLean and Murray are looking for. Being a budget team, we will be required to outwork the opposition and thrive in the rough and physical aspects of the game. Whoever does get named captain needs to be prepared to lead game in game out because if they struggle then the team has a big risk of faltering and we can’t afford to go pointless in many games before we are completely out of the playoff picture.

      With the types of players we currently have available to be named captain I am more of an advocate of being patent in naming one and allowing the best of the group to emerge from the pack and take that role some point throughout the season. That helps spread out the pressure early on in the season and ensure the player that does get the captaincy is the one who earned it both in the coaches and management eyes as well as the players eyes.

  • thirstytraveller

    Get this…I was walking along the Champs Delicious, Paris last week and ran into, non other than EK65! He had a brunette lady friend with him! he was exiting a candy store when I was walking in. I was nose to nose with him. I took him by surprise by saying “Erik”. He was clearly taken back that he was recognized. I didn’t want to bug him for a photo, but had a brief conversation with him. I’m 170cm tall, and we are same height. Those postings bio postings on line saying he’s 178cm are clearly exaggerated!

    • RUSH RLZ

      Nice!

      I once ran into Jeff Glass, our former goalie prospect, at The Temple Bar is Dublin Ireland. I’m wearing my not-obvious sens gray “old time hockey” hat and this guy ass “nice hat” and it turns out to be him. :)

      He seemed to be doing alright, was playing for one of the Euro teams, don’t even remember what tier.

      It’s a small world!

      • Harv

        The Temple Bar – you have got to be kidding. My favourite place to drink Guiness – the bars in The Temple Bar, that is.. Did you get to The Boxty House or Molly Malone’s?

        • RUSH RLZ

          I did not, we were there only two nights, had a concert to attend and loved the Temple Bar so much… we didn’t want to bother with anyplace else.

          First night blurry, met so many great people from all over he world, even the Americans there were cool. Second night we go back, walk into the place and about 100 people break into singing Oh Canada at the top of their lungs, it was so awesome we had tears streaming down our faces.

          Best Guinness I ever had and my Temple Bar shirt is one of my most prized pieces of clothing.

          Cheers!

          • Harv

            My wife and I went into a pub in Dublin one afternoon. It was so good we went back the next day. The innkeeper yelled out in a loud voice to his crowded establishment.

            “Make room at the bar – the Canadians are back.”

            Never happen in Canada. More’s the pity.

            Yeh, mentioning the Temple Bar brought back a lot of good, fuzzy memories.

    • Aaron 2.0

      Champs Elysees? Now, I’m just really excited for the Tour to begin.

      • thirstytraveller

        yes! Champs Elysees.

        • RUSH RLZ

          Do they still have all those cool car dealerships on that strip, Lamborghini, Rolls etc?

          • thirstytraveller

            Not as many as 10 years ago. They do have sick Merc dealership! mostly new models on display.

  • FBP

    I feel like the budget is about to ruin this trade somehow.

    This is a franchise defining trade. It could set us up or tear us down for a decade.

    • Sensnation

      The Boston Bruins traded Thornton for scraps in 2005. They missed 1 more year of playoffs and haven’t missed since, winning a cup along the way.

      Yes it would be nice to have a return that will help going forward, but tear us down, only if we and BM let it.

      • FBP

        But they spent money on other players. It doesn’t seem like we will. I don’t just mean the actual pieces we get back in a trade.

        If rumour leaks out we turned down a deal for a good piece because it was out of our budget maybe Ryan doesn’t want to sign. Maybe other players want out.

        • Sensnation

          Maybe, maybe not. We won’t know till it happens, just like we won’t know how much the tv contract helps or impacts what BM can do. Just have to wait and see and try not to freak out until then.

          Our prospect pool is good enough to roster a decent team, and most of the money this team will spend in the coming years will be on those post ELCs and such.

          There’s a disparity in pro sports, it’s not our gm’s fault or even our owner’s fault. Owning a team in a big city will always be better than owning one in a small city until all teams share revenue across the board to create level playing ground. NFL is closest to this and look how competitive they are.

          NHL is resembling the MLB a bit more, and we will have tiers, the top tier that spends to the max and gets the superstars, the middle tier who may keep a star or two and be competitive when all lines up well with their drafting, and the bottom tier of teams that just can’t compete financially and are always in a rebuild as the farm teams for the rest of the league. That is how the financial structure of most pro sports works.

      • Tooks

        LOL we are not the Bruins…

        • Sensnation

          Thx tooks, thought we had the same team name and logo.

      • TookieIs100PercentRight

        But they got Chiarelli (from us), Chara (from us), Rask (from Toronto) so not exactly the same situation is it?
        TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Sensnation

          We have no clue what moves we’d make post Spezza trade? You want me to compare our future to their past? lol

    • runningbear1974

      As long as you’re aware that you’re talking about your feelings… The fear of Zombies is at an all time high, but the actual threat of zombies hasn’t changed…

  • aegiszx

    I’m excited to see how Murray takes this group of young guys to the next level. I think the first choice is that you lead by example, you make Karlsson captain.

    He wants it, and his team is ready to push. 24 years old, Norris Trophy, Olympic Silver Medal, Finnish League top D-man, future franchise record breaker… he has all the markings of a legendary captain. A guy like that, a special, generational talent, just brings optimism to the room and can lift the psyche knowing that a player as special as EK65 is leading you.

    • FBP

      This is the opposite of my worried post right below :)

    • aegiszx

      Just a disclaimer… Captains to me, are not only the face of your team, but they’re special. I’ve said this many times on SC, but C’s in the NHL are more than just players… they’re game changers. They’re the guys that ALL the guys look to when you’re down 0-4. He’s the guy who takes the puck away at pivotal times and puts his mark on the game– win or lose.

      I think Erik Karlsson does that. I think the opponents not only respect him, but fear his skill when hes on the ice. I’m glad have arguably the best D man in the league, and I’d be even more glad if he became our C.

    • runningbear1974

      Often the best captain is not the best skilled guy, but the guy that makes the best decisions… I’d like to see how Karlsson plays this upcoming year before deciding on him as captain… If he plays the way he did last year, then I would vote absolutely no that he should be captain…

    • jimmyjohnson

      There’s some definite validity to that. And it also officially marks him as the face of the franchise. All FA’s will see him when they think Sens. And that can only be a good thing.

  • Max2166

    Darren Dreger has tweeted that the Pens must decide to trade or keep James Neal. A lot of interest.

  • Terry

    Something needs to happen to brighten the mood in here. Even if it doesn’t involve the Sens.

    • Rafi Bomb

      Doubt there will be any trades until the draft tonight.

      • Terry

        I know your right in that statement, it just makes for a long day.

  • Brock

    Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun
    Kesler trade to Anaheim is very close, source says

    • Dirk-Diggler

      I wonder if our 1st was in that deal!

    • esk

      must be paying a premium? why would they trade him to a rival?

      • Sensnation

        Their new gm doesn’t care about it being within the division, he was just worried about making a good trade.

    • Sensnation

      Dominoes!

      • jimmyjohnson

        lol I doubt it…the only domino it sounds like really matters is FA day

        • Sensnation

          Statsny should know by now where he’s going to sign, Kessler gets traded. Chicago or St. Louis should come calling very soon.

          • Sandy

            I have a feeling Stastny ends up in St Louis.

            So the top two teams for Spezza are gone.
            The Sens have no f’in luck at all. Nothing ever falls into place.
            I find it interesting that Kesler goes to a division rival.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Well he did grow up in St. Louis…it’s definitely possible.

          • Sensnation

            Agreed with St. Louis and Statsny, though if he does that Colorado will revisit their Spezza interest. There’s still the Nashvilles, Floridas and a couple others though.

            I’m not against 1 more year of Spezza though.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Stastny isn’t the only issue though. There’s Brad Richards and Mikhail Grabovski, both of whom don’t cost assets. Then there’s Lecavalier.

            All along I’ve been saying that the other centers on the market wouldn’t negatively affect the return. I still think that’s right, buy if they rush to trade him then it will. If they wait until the dust settles and teams know where they stand, then the ones that miss out start getting desperate and up the ante.

          • Sensnation

            Those are not dominos or stumbling blocks, those 3 are consolation prizes at best.

          • Sandy

            Brad Richards? I don’t think he’s a threat to Spezza. Grabovski’s not a #1 centre. Lecavallier.. see Brad Richards.

          • jimmyjohnson

            You’re missing the point.

            He’s another name that’s out there. Teams looking at Spezza aren’t exclusively looking for a top line center. Some of them are looking for a 2nd line or 1b center.

          • Sandy

            Are Richards and Lecavalier 2nd line centres anymore?

          • Sensnation

            No.

          • Sandy

            Correct, if they were they would be remaining with the teams they were on.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Oh really? 20g 50p forwards aren’t top-6? What is this, 1980?

            They absolutely are top-6 producers.

          • jimmyjohnson

            See below. Yes they are.

          • RUSH RLZ

            Calendar check. It’s 2014. Brad Richards and Lecavalier are shadows of their former selves. Grabo doesn’t have 1/100th of the pedigree that Spezza does. I’m not too worried about those guys at all, expect where it applies to the sens possibly signing them… *cringes*

          • jimmyjohnson

            How does this point escape everyone here: the teams interested in Spezza mostly don’t need a first line center. They need a 2nd line center or 1b. Lecavalier, Richards, Ribeiro, and Grabovski all qualify.

            Add Stastny and trust me, it’s an issue.

    • Aaron 2.0

      Anyone else at all confused why Kesler is so coveted. Admittedly I haven’t watch a lot of Western Conference hockey, not even for the Canadian teams. But, he’s a carreer 0.61 PPG on what was a pretty good hockey team (regular season & playoffs included). I don’t get all the swooning. Maybe it’s just me though.

      • Andrews theory

        i think he’s an ideal second line center but he doesnt have the elite skill spezza has. it’s not even close. i couldn’t understand st louis interest as he’s a similar player to backes in my opinion

  • Aaron 2.0

    Any news on the salary cap? Surprised we haven’t heady anything yet.

  • Rafi Bomb

    Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 8s
    Hearing Kesler to Anaheim is done. Awaiting details…

    • jimmyjohnson

      Any guesses on who they gave up?

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I was right about my 2pm call on the first big move!!!

  • Brock

    Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun
    Anaheim will trade Bonino, Sbisa plus 24th overall pick and teams will swap third-rounders once deal goes through

    • Max2166

      Thanks for the information.

    • boom

      and you can bet all of us will be moaning if we get the equivalent for Spezza…some of us have been warning that we are expecting too much…

  • ProfessorPower

    Kesler to the Ducks…makes Chicago a more interesting team in play for Spezza

    • Max2166

      It could put pressure on Chicago, Dallas or St.Louis to do something.

  • esk

    YESYESYEYES

  • Andrews theory

    ew… if kessler was the more desireable option, what does that say for the spezza return?

    • Terry

      Canucks still received a late first and 2 players. Spezza isn’t a 2 way player but on the right team, he could be a great fit.

      • Andrews theory

        true but they are spare parts

    • Aaron 2.0

      Maybe more desirable partly bc of asking price? It’s funny this just just happened, I had just commented on not really getting all the hype for Kesler. After that, I’m pretty scared. Maybe he’s a Sen for quite a while longer based on that deal.

    • jimmyjohnson

      What are you talking about? That’s a fantastic trade under the circumstances. Spezza’s value just sky rocketed.

      • Tooks

        Nope it didnt…

        • jimmyjohnson

          You might be wrong more often than anyone on this site, and yet you still speak with 100% certainty on everything. It’s astonishing.

          Let’s try this again.

          Both players have never won anything.

          Both are considered top talent (at least in the top 10-15%) in the NHL.

          One hasn’t produced anywhere near ppg in over 3 years. One hasn’t fallen much below ppg in his entire career.

          One of them 100% demanded to be moved. One thought it might be best to look into it.

          One 100% chose his destination. One 30% chooses his destination.

          One of them is still available for the many many teams still looking, one of them isn’t.

          The one that isn’t received a healthy package including an immediate replacement, a legitimate top-5 defenseman, and a sweetner of a 1st round pick.

          That deal is outstanding, considering the circumstances.

          If he can get that deal, the player still available, the one with greater potential to be a game changing force, will definitely receive adequate compensation once all impediments to the trade are removed.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    That was not a huge return for Van… If Kessler was the top prize what do you think we are going to get?

    • KingKarlsson84 – RSU is pathet

      I don’t see Kesler as being the top prize. Value wise he’s very comparable to Spezza, just has more term left…

      • sens88

        Plus as we’ve seen, Vancouver makes some shitty deals sometimes so it’s likely that the same or similar was offered for Spezza, but Murray said No thanks.

    • Sandy

      IMO, hurts the return for Spezza. I’m sure Murray is not happy with that.

  • Brock

    Shit hit the fan real quick.

  • esk

    remember kesler would only go to two teams…canucks were forced to take the best deal. I think this puts a lot more pressure on the other teams..especially the blues.

    • Hax

      *clings to your point with desperate hope*

    • Sandy

      Well at least they have 2 options not just the 1 Heatley gave the Sens.

  • PaulMacLeansDuster

    That was a poor return for Kesler. I would rather have Berglund then Bonino.

    • Richard Gough

      The question is now who is the better center Kesler or Spezza

      • jimmyjohnson

        how is that now the question?

    • Richard Gough

      I bet you that was the same offer that was handed to Murray

      • Sensnation

        If so I’m happy he didn’t take it. I’d rather 1 more year of Spezza.

        • Tooks

          And lose Spezza for nothing, yeah thats smart…sigh…

          • Sensnation

            Over trading for players we could replace with prospects or cheap ufas no problem, hell ya. As Murray says, will not get value of a Spezza back in the deal.

            I know you prefer a bag of pucks in hand, but I’d rather 1 more year to get this ship straight.

  • Richard Gough

    You can take the Duck of the Spezza list
    They just picked Kesler what a shitty trade

    • Sensnation

      Which 1st was it? Our’s or theirs?

      • Andrews theory

        24th

        • Sensnation

          Damn. His reluctance to waive for most teams must have really limited his value.

          • ill district

            Overall, not a horrible trade if Sbisa signs for fair value. Bonnio is only a cap hit of 1.9million, but let’s hope he can still put up numbers without getz and perry.

          • Tooks

            Yeah its not bad at all its just not over the moon like most people thought it would be, now we wont get much better for Spezza and thats what the value is.

          • Sandy

            Kesler had only 2 teams he would go to, much like Heatley.
            With Spezza is now about 16 teams (the original 19 minus Mtl, Tor & now Ana.

          • Tooks

            Of those 16 only 4-5 with serious offers and we all know now those offers were not enough already, they will be alot less now.

      • Richard Gough

        24th pick

  • ill district

    It’s still a first round pick and 2 roster players. They should have included Garrison and got their hands on Lindholm.

  • Pasky

    Another thing to keep in mind re. Kesler, he’s a 2nd line C that is defensively responsible but can still score points. but he’s a career 0.6ppg player. Spezza is a ppg 1st line offensive player. Not to mention he’s open to many teams while Kesler had like 2 or 3 teams he would waive for. They both have their own ups and downs, but Spezza is a more valuable piece and someone who doesn’t come as often as a Kesler type. And now that he’s out of the picture, more suitors for Spezza.

    Stastny is another piece that’s an alternative to Spezza but he’s already said that whatever contract is offered to him that he would accept on July 1st, he will give Colorado an opportunity to match it before signing elsewhere, so it’s not like teams can guarantee getting Stastny, compared to a trade for Spezza.

  • esk

    Do you think murray will wait until july 1st? if stastny goes to a random team that isnt in for spezza wouldnt his trade value increase?

    • Hax

      Yes and yes.

      • jimmyjohnson

        I thought the FA market wouldn’t hold things up like this, buy now I think you’re right about the timeline, Hax. I don’t expect anything done tonight.

        • Hax

          Pure speculation and Chirp (for one) seems adamant that we’re getting a first this year. But I just think the ultimate price paid for Spezza will peak July 1st. But defer to Murray of course if the trade happens today – I’ll trust that he knows best.

          Plus I have July 1st in the contest.

    • Sandy

      Stastny is the real domino..

  • runningbear1974

    If a player wants MONEY, they should go to a different team… (NYR, Toronto)
    If a players wants to WIN, they should go to a different team… (Chicago, LA, Boston)
    Ottawa needs to find a different motivation to attract players… Money and Winning shouldn’t be the motivation because other teams will always be able to provide more…
    If Ottawa wants to keep Ryan then they should appeal to something different… Like quality of life… Friends… A team you believe in…
    I’ve played on tons of teams for different sports (I never made any money)… But, the biggest, most important factor for me was the quality (when I say quality I don’t mean skill, I mean CHARACTER), of my teammates…
    Ottawa should stick to the Character business, and only get guys because of the quality of their character… Then, quality character players will want to be part of this team…

    • RUSH RLZ

      Go home Mr. Melnyk, you are drunk.

      • Sandy

        Go AWAY, Mr. Melnyk, you are drunk.

        • RUSH RLZ

          LOL Whut?

    • Sensnation

      Good point. I think they do stress the character of the players here though. Good interview with Dorion about it earlier this week.

      • runningbear1974

        I’m on board with the character business… Why would Ottawa choose Lazar instead of Mantha? Mantha is physically bigger, and he gets more points… The only thing that makes sense is character… And, right now, I’m loving Lazar, and he hasn’t even played a game for us yet…
        So… anyway… Stick to character… Character breeds character, and they’ll turn into good leaders… No more 1-dimensional old guys on the team…

    • Dirk-Diggler

      I’d rather sell them on winning! Also, winning team lead to good locker rooms… Bad teams lead to negative attitudes

      • runningbear1974

        My point is… There will Always be teams that are better at winning… The big market teams… So, if a player really really wants to win, then they will always choose a different team…
        I prefer to focus on the development process rather than the end goal of winning the cup…

    • FistsofNeil25

      This is hilarious. I’m sorry man but no serious hockey player is going to sign for a team that won’t pay him what he’s worth or provide him with a chance of winning lol

  • Sandy

    This was on HB:

    Hawks offer multi-player deal to Florida?

    Rumored offer: Sharp, Roszival, D prospect Adam Clendening and Chicago #1 to Florida for their number 1 and Erik Gudbranson

    • jimmyjohnson

      I don’t believe it but that would be a hell of a trade!! Hopefully it happens.

    • Sensnation

      Saw that too. Don’t trust the source, but man Chicago is trying hard this year. Something’s going to go down there, too much smoke.

      • Sandy

        They need to clear cap space that’s why I don’t think Spezza is an option for them.

        • Sensnation

          Possibly they are clearing to get Spezza, but ya they need to make room.

    • ill district

      would make sense. if they sign the superstars, they will need the cap space – they might as well stock the cupboard.

    • peetypuck

      Damn, That’s the trade I was hoping Murray would make with Tallon. I think he can outbid Chicago starting with Spezza, Methot another d-man and a prospect. Roszival is old and Sharp is getting older too.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Well with Kesler now officially gone to the Ducks, they are out of the Spezza race. So there goes my guess!! ;)

    This puts even more pressure on St Louis now to make the move for Spezza if they cannot sign PS, which we still hear is option 1 for them, Spezza sounds like option 2. Not a bad 2nd option if you as me.

    • Sandy

      My too. I said DSP, the 10th and a conditional.

  • Cassidaus

    I’m still hoping for ROR or Minnesota comes straight out of left field and offers Granlund and Haula……….. The rum’s good today, boys.

  • RUSH RLZ

    I don’t think I’ll ever be able to hear the word “domino” again without retching. And I used to love that Genesis song too. :( Thanks Ek.

    • Sandy

      The real domino is Stastny

    • Phil.

      Maybe PHX will trade us Domi, no?

      • Sandy

        No Domi, yes Samuelsson.

  • Rafi Bomb

    “@DarrenDreger 1m
    Told the Coyotes are strongly considering buying out Mike Ribeiro. The veteran forward is under contract through 2016-2017. Not official.”

    Maybe the Coyotes are clearing up space for Spezza.

    • Sensnation

      #BringBackVermette? lol

    • Rafi Bomb

      I would want Domi or Samuelsson, but I could see them offering something comparable to the Kesler deal, so Hanzal, Stone, 1st for Spezza.

      That would be decent return.

  • Max2166

    Darren Dreger is reporting that the Coyotes will buy out Mike Ribiero.

    • Sandy

      Duh… Coyotes making room for Spezza and Milan?

      • ill district

        Silly, he put up 47 points last season. Vermette cannot be you’re only top 6 center…

      • Max2166

        Maybe we can ask for Samuelsson, Vermette or Yandle for their 1st pick this year, Jason Spezza and Erik Gryba.

        • Sandy

          As long as Samuelsson is included I don’t care what the rest is.

        • Rafi Bomb

          More likely Spezza for Hanzal, Stone and their 1st.

    • jimmyjohnson

      And now you can add another center to the list of available FA’s that teams like Dallas, Chicago, Colorado, and Tampa Bay can substitute for Spezza on their 2nd line.

      • Sandy

        How good is he really if he can’t play on the Coyotes?

      • Rafi Bomb

        Riberio isn’t a substitute. Players like Riberio, Richards, Jokinen and Roy are a significant downgrade on the likes of Spezza and Statsny.

        • jimmyjohnson

          might want to look up the definition of substitute.

  • A-Train

    *GULP*

  • Tooks

    Well there you have it. Pretty much confirms what I’ve been saying about Spezza return, alot of people are gonna be pissed, LOL.

    • Sensnation

      Pissed at his return or pissed that he’s still around come training camp?

      • Tooks

        Both…

        • Sensnation

          Murray’s always said he’s after a 1st and 2 players (prospect and roster player pref). The Kessler return was pretty much that, just not the names that make it worth losing Spezza.

          If Spezza gets moved for the expected return, it’s hard to be pissed.

          • Tooks

            Thats what Spezza will go for 2 NHL rdy players and a pick or prospect. They just wont be top end players like Tarashenko or Nishushkin…

            Berglund + Cole + 21st…Similar

          • Sensnation

            The only difference between what you’re saying and what most other fans are saying is they would rather less pieces and have 1 of them be a key young player, which is possible too if Murray has enough suitors.

            But again, what you list is expected and what Murray has said in the past, hard to be pissed beyond just the fact Spezza is leaving.

    • boom

      yup

    • jimmyjohnson

      Do you ever know what you’re talking about?

      a) That was a great return for a player that demanded a trade and chose his destination.

      b) The mere fact that he got that return under those circumstances means that Spezza’s value just went through the roof.

      • Tooks

        LOL nope.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          That was a pretty good return for a team that was Heatley style handcuffed and had just dealt with the luongo trade recently

        • jimmyjohnson

          I assume that’s your answer to this question “Do you ever know what you’re talking about?”

          Seriously, you should go back and look at all the crap you’ve said over the years. You might be embarrassed enough to change your tune.

    • Terry

      Why did Spezza get traded and his return is known?? Did I miss that….?

      • Tooks

        He didnt, but expect a similar return.

        • Terry

          It was sarcasm, and until a deal is done I will expect Spezza to be back. What’s the point of thinking I know the value of players or what GMs are offering?
          GMs know what their teams needs are not me. I am not a Hockey Guru so for me to sit and say Spezza is worth here is pointless. Anaheim obviously decided Kesler, whether BM’s asking price or he was a better fit into the Ducks scheme. A team desperate for points maybe a little more “inclined” to pay more. Until it happens don’t say that because Kesler got The Canucks “this”, that Spezza will only get The Senators “this”.

  • Bob

    wasn’t this suppose to be a tookie free friday??

    • TheBluFunk

      Ha ! I was about to post that as well! LOL

      • CohMa

        Get back to work TheBluFunk!

    • CUP 2014-15

      That’s like wishing for a Crosby for Spezza deal

  • A-Train

    via sportsnet:

    Nick Bonino vs Ryan Kesler in 2013-14:

    Bonino – 77 GP, 22 G, 27 A, 49 PTS

    Kesler – 77 GP, 25 G, 18 A, 43 PTS

  • spezzerman

    Vancouver flinching first is a good thing for Ottawa…

    • Sandy

      Is it? So what did Murray as for? DSP, the 10th and what?

      • spezzerman

        I believe so, yes. Teams are a little more desperate with fewer options.

      • spezzerman

        Deep breaths Sandy, deep breaths. ;)

  • Sandy

    Come on Florida and Arizona.

  • ill district

    If we lose Spezza and Milo, by gosh we need to find someone to fill our second line.

    as of now it’s Greening-Zbj-Hoff.

    • Tooks

      Yeah thats looking terrible, well atleast we would have a great shot at McDavid or Eichel!

  • Pasky

    I think Dallas is our most likely trade partner right now, cause it looks like St-Louis is gonna bet on Stastny during free agency. I think Chiasson will be the piece we get, even though we might try to grab Nichuskin but he might be untouchable.

    I can also see us sending a D if we trade with Dallas since they only have 5 contracts signed so far, and we have 8 with Ceci. Knowing what Kesler went for, what kind of return would you expect from a Spezza/Weircioch package?

    • Hax

      I think if St Louis is going to try and get Stastny (seems likely) then Murray will wait until July 1st. If St Louis misses out on Stastny then they’ll have to up their offer on Spezza. If they don’t then Murray can pull the trigger with Dallas or whomever else is still bidding (Chicago?)

    • Tooks

      Chiasson isnt even a top 6, lol.
      Well he probably would be on our team since we have 3 top 6 players so far, lol.

      • Pasky

        He’s played next to Benn-Seguin at times last year. Considering he’s a young player I would say Top 6 potential at the worst.

        • Sensnation

          He’s a lot like Greening during his 1 year with Spezza. He is better, but so far his body of work is too small to know if he’s a 2nd or 3rd line player on a good team.

  • FistsofNeil25

    I’m hoping that Kesler’s willingness to only go to Anaheim or Vancouver is what limited the return Vancouver got. That package is awful.

    I don’t think Spezza is going anywhere today folks.

    • ill district

      disagree. any trade that includs a 1st round pick is worth it. as well as 2 roster players. What were you expecting?

      • FistsofNeil25

        I’m expecting something better than a third line player, a bottom pairing defenseman and a late first round pick.

        • Tooks

          Well you wont be a happy camper then, expectations way too high…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Tookie you don’t have to troll the comment section saying this to everyone who expects more. Get over yourself bud. Want me to show you some of the proposals you were throwing out a couple weeks ago? Like Josi+Sissons+1st or Smith+forsberg+1st?

            Chill out man.

    • peetypuck

      Kesler is no Spezza. That’s just the Toronto media trying to downgrade Spezza.

  • Tooks

    Expect similar return for Spezza.

    Berglund, Cole, 21st Overall.
    Shaw, Leddy, whatever 1st round they got.

    • ProfessorPower

      Would love to see that Chicago deal.

      • Perry

        I agree!

    • Sandy

      Andrew Shaw is going nowhere.

  • Rafi Bomb

    Wayne Scanlan ‏@HockeyScanner 1m
    More
    Odds of Spezza deal have improved hugely now that Kesler is moved. Senators likely drafting tonight.

    • Tooks

      Yeah drafting in upper 20′s, instead of 2 NHL rdy players we get 1 and a project..I really hope Murray doesnt do that.

    • Sensnation

      ECKBLAD here we come! Oh we only got a late 1st, is there a Brazilian Crosby available?

      • Terry

        I would pay to see a Brazilian Crosby.

        • Sensnation

          Haha, me too! But would he then be 2 years from being 2 years away?

          • RUSH RLZ

            Same smirk, more dramatic diving, fuller moustache!

          • Sensnation

            But if he brings Brazilian ladies with him to the rink, I promise it will get louder in CTC!

      • laughing

        Just don’t make it Crosby getting a Brazilian waxing. :P

    • Sandy

      I don’t think he moves today

  • ZBADFORMAYOR

    Bryan Murray going to pull a rabbit out of hat with the Spezza deal…got full faith in Murray…

  • Rafi Bomb

    Based on the Kesler trade, these are my speculated trades:

    Phoenix
    Jason Spezza for Martin Hanzal, Michael Stone and 12th overall

    Dallas
    Jason Spezza for Jamie Oleksiak, Alex Chiasson/Antoine Roussell and the 14th overall
    or
    Jason Spezza/Jason Spezza + for Valeri Nichushkin/Valeri Nichushkin and the 14th overall

    Chicago
    Jason Spezza for Andrew Shaw, Nick Leddy/Mark McNeil/Philip Danault/Ryan Hartman and the 27th overall

    St Louis
    Jason Spezza/Jason Spezza + for Vladimir Tarasenko/Vladimir Tarasenko and the 21st overall

    Colorado
    Jason Spezza/Jason Spezza + for Ryan O’Reilly/Ryan O’Reilly and the 23rd overall

    • boom

      I think you’re dreaming, but I hope not…

      • Rafi Bomb

        They might still be far off, but I think they are more realistic than some of the trade proposals we saw prior to the Kesler trade.

        If we are getting a high end talent like Nichushkin, Tarasenko and Ryan O’Reilly back then my guess is that it will essentially be a one for one type of deal and that if we want a first round pick on top of that then we will be forced to add.

        Aside from that, I see the chicago and Phoenix deals as being fairly close in value to the return Vancouver got for Kesler.

    • sens88

      These all look good to me. Hope you’re on the money!

      • Rafi Bomb

        Ya, we could still walk out with a win here.

    • zippy

      If you get ROR or Tarasenko….you’re not getting a 1st too.

      You might get a prospect with ROR.

      • Rafi Bomb

        That is why there is a “+” beside Spezza’s name in that scenario. A “/” indicates an alternative.

        Therefore in the scenario where we are acquiring ROR plus the 23 overall, we are adding something to get the deal done.

        Based on the Kesler return and the apparent desire of the Sens to attain a frist round pick this year I don’t see us acquiring a first round pick plus a high end talent like ROR, Nichushkin or Tarasenko without adding.

        • zippy

          Got it. Confused the hell out of me. Thought you just pasted too much

    • RUSH RLZ

      Haha. If we got ROR + the 23rd pick, I would be so happy I would puke!

    • Sensnation

      If the best player in a deal wins the deal, the only chance the sens would have in that list is Taranseko and Nichushkin imo. Still hoping!

      • Rafi Bomb

        You don’t think ROR would also be in that category?

        • Sensnation

          Personally no, but I guess technically he is.

    • jimmyjohnson

      That 1st Dallas deal is ugly. Oleksiak is a brutal prospect.

      • Rafi Bomb

        After I wrote the deal, I thought it might be worthwhile removing it. Much like in St Louis where if we aren’t getting Tarasenko then it isn’t worth our time, if we aren’t getting Nichuskin in a Dallas deal then we are better off to look elsewhere.

      • RUSH RLZ

        Isn’t she the hottie from SportsNet?

        • Sensnation

          hahaha, nice one

        • jimmyjohnson

          Her I would trade for.
          Jamie Oleksiak? no thanks.

    • Max2166

      I like all of those suggestions.

      • Rafi Bomb

        Murray did mention that he would trade Spezza in a 1 for 1 deal. If we end up with Nichushkin, Tarasenko or ROR then we are fairly well off.

        Aside from that both Phoenix and Chicago have the assets to put a decent package together.

  • esk

    You got to think – how many kesler type players are there in
    nhl? And then think about how many spezza type of players are there? Who is
    harder to find? Im assuming a legit 1st
    line center with 80-90pts capability would have the higher value. I don’t get
    how kesler is being compared to spezza. They fill different needs..spezza type
    of player is harder to aquire. Forget the contracts, you can always extend..after stastny is gone. WE should get a premium package

    • Sensnation

      Gms who value offense will prefer Spezza hands down. Those who want a responsible 2 way team who can also score would want Kessler. Kessler is 2 years younger too and signed longer. They aren’t equal players, but their current positions and situations and stage of their careers make their trade value more similar, ignoring NTCs.

      • esk

        true , yes similar..but spezza has more teams competing for him. That should mean a higher return.

        • Sensnation

          Hopefully. When you hear gms talking like they don’t even know what the value/return should be, makes it hard to really have any clue as a fan.

          • spezzerman

            its all posturing. We are lucky to have Murray and his experience leading this deal. He will get the best deal he can. The market will dictate what that will be

      • spezzerman

        technically he is only 14 months younger…

      • Sandy

        Kesler is just as injury prone as Spezza. Teams that have a lot of 2 way players need an offensively gifted #1 centre,.

        • Sensnation

          Yup completely agree. Unfortunately most of those teams are on his no trade list.

  • FistsofNeil25

    By the way – I just got back to Ottawa from Toronto by ViaRail. The guy I was sitting next to on the train was in Canada for the first time. He lives in Phoenix but is originally for Chicago. Both his daughters live in St Louis.

    I’m not making this up. Is it a sign of things to come? Spezza to Chicago, St Louis or Phoenix?

    • Guest

      Is he Keith Yandle?

      • FistsofNeil25

        As far as I know he doesn’t even know who Yandle is lol I asked him about sports and he said he’s only really a Diamondbacks and Cradinals fan but casually supports the Yotes and Suns.

    • Tooks

      LOL nice, did he even watch hockey tho?

      • FistsofNeil25

        Said he’s been to a few games but the problem with the arena there is that it’s in Glendale and apparently Glendale to Phoenix is a worse trip that the core of Ottawa to Kanata and that’s why the Yotes are struggling to build a fanbase. The games aren’t easy to get to. Sound familiar?

        • Michenator

          Don’t even get me started….

    • jimmyjohnson

      Never lived in Colorado or Dallas??

      pffft can’t plus-1 that.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Lived in LA for a couple years. Any chances of LA making a move? Nahhhhh

  • CUP 2014-15

    Man I hate when I see three new comments below, I go to see and no reason to read them as they are all posted by you know who.

    • RUSH RLZ

      I hear ya. The best part about the brief site outage was not having to listen to dodo head.

      • spezzerman

        oh good that wasnt just me? I thought work was on to me…

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Darren Dreger ‏@DarrenDreger 7m
    Kesler’s agent, Kurt Overhardt has high praise for Canucks GM Jim Benning. Says Benning worked very hard with the 2 teams given (Chi-Ana).

    So we know that Kesler said either Ducks or Hawks. So if the Hawks were that active for Kesler and didn’t get anything, Spezza must really be on the radar now.

  • Sandy

    Teams in the West have to gear up to beat LA. Anaheim got their acquisition in Kesler, now it’s time for Chi, St Louis, Dallas, Phoenix to step up.

    • Sensnation

      Phoenix? Typo? ;)

      • CUP 2014-15

        Arizona, lol

      • Mr_Dunn_Thibodeau

        Arizona Coyotes now lol

        • MethotToMyMadness

          That name will take some getting use too

    • Hax

      Or Colorado – if they don’t keep Stastny.

    • spezzerman

      Maybe a team (nashville) not on his list makes an insane offer knowing that Murray would have to get something crazy to really try and sell spezza on joining his old buddy in music city. Nashville would have everything you need from a competing standpoint. Amazing d and goaltending and a point per game center.

      Oh, if only…

  • boom

    Does anyone else admit to having absolutely no idea what to expect in the Spezza trade?

    I posted earlier that I think we’re going to be disappointed, but that was more a reaction to us (and all fan-bases, we’re no different) over valuing our players, and in some cases, not knowing enough about other team’s players…

    I’m hoping for the best, but right now, I have no clue…I just want it to happen.

    • spezzerman

      its really hard to tell but honestly, I’m loving the sens positioning here with Kesler gone

    • MethotToMyMadness

      no idea, all I know is when it happens, I’ll be good and drunk. So if it’s really bad, I won’t remember anyway. #winning

  • SensChirp

    Having some server issues today but I think it’s ok now. Let me know if you notice any issues. Thanks!

    • MethotToMyMadness

      I had issues an hour ago, none since. Cheers!

  • Spoons

    The center pieces I don’t want from teams rumoured to be involved: Sharp (CHI), Chiasson (DAL), Berglund (STL)

  • Spoons

    Jesus Murray, just drop the 3-for-1 deals and get us Schwartz or Tarasenko

  • esk

    @SunGarrioch The Blues have been the most active bidder on Spezza. They went in to today having up the ante

    • Sandy

      I would have thought they would focus most on trying to get Stastny, unless he’s priced way too high.

      • Sensnation

        He wants 6.6mil to start.

  • Frankie Fives

    So, I just wanted to let you all know how my morning went. Please try and be kind with your comments…

    “Don’t be nervous” he said, with a comforting smile. This was my
    first time, and he knew it. He caressed my body as he slowly bent me
    over the table. My heart was pounding so hard I could feel it through my
    chest!

    “Are you ready?” he said softly. I felt a sharp pain as
    he inserted his member inside me. Before I knew it, he was done. As I
    turned to face him, he wiped the tear from my cheek and smiled once
    again “See, that wasn’t so bad”

    My voice was trembling as I I struggled to answer. I built up just enough strength to whisper “Thank you for being so patient and gentile”

    My first prostate exam wasn’t so bad after all…

    • Mr_Dunn_Thibodeau

      eh wtf lol

      • Frankie Fives

        A bit of comedy relief to change things up a bit lol

        • Mr_Dunn_Thibodeau

          i see i see lol

    • Brock

      Wait. The fuck is this?

    • SensChirp

      We need this trade to happen soon.

      • Michenator

        hahahaha seriously…

      • CUP 2014-15

        LOL, No kidding

      • Frankie Fives

        Hahahaha. I’m just trying to get the next Twitter posted comment Chirp lol

    • Rafi Bomb

      This is fucked up. Why would you post this here?

    • Jakester

      Lets Hope Uncle Bryan has another GM bent over a table like that too!

      • peetypuck

        How about Eugene? LOL

    • RUSH RLZ

      Sounds like you’ll be back for a second opinion tomorrow.

      • jimmyjohnson

        lolol

    • Tooks

      You should be brought back behind the shed and beaten severely…

      • jimmyjohnson

        you have weird reactions to things

      • laughing

        Is that what you have done to yourself for a prostate exam?

  • Rafi Bomb

    “Rob RossiVerified account‏@RobRossi_Trib
    Hearing Fleury not in play, Neal definitely is for #pens as far as trades. Also, Rutherford looking to find cap space with some deals”

    Well we have a ton of cap space, maybe there is a trade to be made with the Penguins.

  • Rafi Bomb

    “birky @b1rky · 3m
    #9 overall gets you Schneider. #8 overall + Sutter gets you Jordan Staal. It’s not insane that #5 gets you Phaneuf.”

    I thought this was pretty funny.

    • Sandy

      So the person that wrote that actually believes what the hell he wrote? That air in Toronto, I tell ya, must be something special.

    • esk

      good point. wonder if gms look at comparable over the years instead of the current climate

  • Brock

    Bruce Garrioch @SunGarrioch
    Jason Garrison dealt to Tampa along with the rights to Jeff Costello in exchange for 50th pick

    • Sandy

      Jeff Costello was with the Sens right?

      • Hax

        Steve Lloyd
        ‏@TSNSteveLloyd

        Last RT. Costello was a Sens pick. They traded his rights to Vancouver at the deadline for D-man Patrick Mullen.

    • Sensnation

      More dominoes! Really hoping this draft is as busy as it’s sounding.

      • RUSH RLZ

        I am happy I am working today, otherwise I would be playing the “dominoes” drinking game and be blind at this point. *gurgles*

    • Tooks

      Haha nice.

    • Frankie Fives

      Canucks stockpiling picks to trade to Florida for #1?

    • Sandy

      So I guess Spezza is not going to Tampa now?

    • ill district

      what’s that? early third?

      • RUSH RLZ

        30 teams… 50th pick… this is your grade 6 math exam. LOL.

      • RUSH RLZ

        Sorry that’s not very nice and not everyone is an astrophysicist. That would be the 2nd round, 20th pick IN the second round.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Tampa just got Garrison for peanuts. Pure cap dump.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Take a look back at Garrison though. He had a good year this year, complete turn around from the year they signed him. And if you remember, he had a very similar year in Florida the year he was signed by Van as an FA, same numbers offensively with 33 points. The year before in Florida, almost identical to his first year in Van. He’s like a roller coaster and they did well moving him.

  • Max2166

    Jason Garrison traded to Tampa Bay.

  • FistsofNeil25

    The only thing I like about Garrison is his bomb of a shot. We need an asset like that on our powerplay, just not Garrison lol

    • Tooks

      He’s a fine 3-4 D, we would be happy to have him, instead of Cowen, Phillips, dont you agree?!?!

      • Sandy

        Maybe he’s being flipped to Ottawa in a package for Spezza? But then again NTC.

  • FistsofNeil25

    The way Vancouver is dropping salary they must be freeing up some space to go hard after someone like Stastny or Vanek.

    • esk

      why not spezza?

      • Sandy

        He won’t go there. They are as bad off as the Sens are.

      • Hax

        He’s on the list – though maybe he’d waive to go there after all? Don’t see why he would. Arizona seems more likely to be an exception.

      • Spoons

        VAN is on his 10-teams list

    • Sensnation

      Niskanen?

    • esk

      cleared about 14 million*

    • Sandy

      I think they are going to re-build and are setting the fans up to not expect too much.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    We can speculate all day, but I do think when it’s all said and done, we are looking at Spezza going to a Team who is considered a power-house and needs to deal with the likes of LA and now the Ducks, so they need that last piece.

    Naturally that puts Chicago and St Louis at the top of the list in the West. Colorado have been mentioned, but they aren’t normally a top end team, expect a fall back next year. But they do have many good players for a return to Ottawa. And then you have San Jose. All the talk about Thornton leaving and blowing the team up, but I just can’t see it, why wouldn’t they consider an upgrade to compete? The Yotes, Stars and Wild are all bubble teams to a degree and would be considered much less active, yet we hear more about Arizona and Dallas lately.

    In the East, I’d expect it’s a team out of Division, who that is still eludes me. Pitts, Rangers and Philly maybe?

    But like Chirp mentioned, I’d really like to know what FA Murray has been speaking too. We all figured he was searching for someone, and he has someone in mind, who is it? I’m hoping Vrbata, perfect 2nd line guy which we need, since we are losing that entire line.

  • CUP 2014-15

    I am thinking we will see Spezz go tonight during the draft. BM must have at least one offer that includes a first and there is no hurray to pull the trigger until that pick is coming up. Unless there is one team that offers something way above all others. Man this is tough waiting. I just want to be able to start trying to put together next years lineup already. LOL

    • Sensnation

      I hear ya! Question marks just don’t look as sexy in a potential lineup.

      • CUP 2014-15

        With the way the beer is going down, everyone and everything is going to look sexy soon. Not going to be able to type by 7PM

        • Keregan

          lol

        • RUSH RLZ

          Me too. I’ll be hammered watching the draft tonight. If we pull off a thing of glory and then Petrillo comes on, I will surely be humping the big screen!

  • bluebuyyoo

    Ek sez his sources say Staal to Nashville is not happening.
    Translation: His dog is asleep so no rumours at this time.

    • RUSH RLZ

      Out of morbid curiosity and because he was going to talk several players including Spezza, I tuned into his video PodCast for a bit easier in the week. Good god what a train wreck, I almost felt bad for the guy. Further to a million technical issues, one of his associates being “so sweaty I changed my shirt twice already today”, Eklund also dropped his tab off the table and broke the glass.

      • Sensnation

        Am I the only person that thinks he looks like Melnyk? Are they related?

        • RUSH RLZ

          Possible but if that was the case, I think Eugene would throw his simpleton kid brother Eklund a bone now and then and let him in on a trade scoop. Alas he has never called a single thing.

      • Tooks

        I only watched when he had that hot chick doing updates, Robin something, what a beauty.

        • RUSH RLZ

          Wow. I honestly thought we could never see eye to eye on a single thing… but yeah if you mean that weird, kinda voluptuous Julie chick who used to have a weekly vid and cover college hockey… SURPRISINGLY hot!

          • Tooks

            Yep thats her, wonder where she went, think Eklund has her locked up in his basement?

          • RUSH RLZ

            Until this week i hadn’t been to that site since god knows when so I didn’t realize if she was still active or not but yeah… if you are saying she has been unheard of we should definitely notify the authorities. I’m pretty sure there was an empty jug of chloroform in the background of that podcast…

        • RUSH RLZ

          Is this the one?

          • Tooks

            Thats the one *drools*
            She had something about her, about chest high…

          • RUSH RLZ

            Yeha she is very cute in a strange way. bubbly, ditzy, her face gets really flushed when she is excited about something… those two things below her shoulders…

          • laughing

            She is pretty cute, but I don’t see the hotness that the rest of you see in her — maybe that picture doesn’t do her justice.

  • my2sens

    Chirp – can you tell Murray to hold any trades/signings for about 37 minutes. Have run out of beer.

    Anyone need a few while I’m out, we could be sitting drowning sorrows tonight….

    • RUSH RLZ

      Thanks but I’ll be grabbing my 72 cans of Keystone light myself in about 20 minutes. What beer store you going to?

      • my2sens

        Kanata – new store by Superstore… love that place!! HA HA!

        Didn’t know we sold keystone here?

        • RUSH RLZ

          I love light, white trash beer. Keystone light in a can is by FAR my favorite beer on Earth AND it is a discount brand!

          I am heading to the Beer Store at the Centrum, if we were going to the same spot I’d say hello and pound one in the parking lot with ya.

          Cheers!

          • my2sens

            Cheers Mate!! Try PC Brand beer, cheap and not bad!!

            We will have to pound a few back soon!! Perhaps to celebrate fleecing a team tonight!? And not drowning our sorrows!! HA HA!

          • RUSH RLZ

            Yeah man, I hope we are happy teary drunks tonight, not angry, smashy drunks!

            Best case scenario? Murray and another GM queue up a BLOCKBUSTER and save it for the draft floor!

            *mosh*

          • my2sens

            That would be nice!! In that case, may swing by LCBO too!! LOL

          • Quantum

            Being in gatineau every corner store has beer , be back in 5 mins :D

          • my2sens

            That’s not nice.

          • Tooks

            Goddamn what are you fellas drinking, discount beer? wtf?!?! you are a disgrace to beer drinkers around the world!

            Atleast if your gonna be trashy, make it Busch!!

          • laughing

            No. Just no.

          • my2sens

            Not a Busch fan (insert baddaboom ching!)

          • Tooks

            Neither am I but its trashy!
            I prefer a good Bud Light Lime-a-Rita

          • Terry

            That isn’t beer.

          • Tooks

            Fuck you Terry, dont ever say that!

          • Terry

            Ha ha ha.

          • Richard Gough

            Or Lucky

          • RUSH RLZ

            I used to drink Lucky Light in a can til they discontinued it, so I tried Keystone Light instead and fell head over heels in love.

          • Spoons

            I thought most posters here were incarcerated… guess I was wrong… or are you on the run?

        • MethotToMyMadness

          Boys, pick up the East Coast Gold, Alpine!! Brewed by Moosehead, they finally started selling it outside of the East Coast. It’s $32 for 24. Not sure the price of cans, usually a few bucks more. You’ll enjoy it!

          • Sandy

            Keith’s or nothing.

        • MethotToMyMadness

          And I should also say, that Kanata store by Superstore is great. It’s my neighborhood place!!

    • SensChirp

      I’m quite confident a deal will happen in the time I am trying to relocate to the Senate. Which would mean attempting a post from my phone. Which could be disastrous.

      • my2sens

        As long as your post includes the following: a table demonstrating every UFA player available, and top prospects at the draft tonight; a poll asking who you think will go first, Spezza or 1st rounder and a picture of yourself stepping on the logo :-)

        • laughing

          Best deal I’ve read on the site all day ;)

  • ill district

    Who could they be making room for? Vanek? Moulson? No way Miller would sign there..

    • Sensnation

      Who? Why no Miller?

      • ill district

        Everyone can see that the Canucks are on the decline, and the way they handled the goalie situation. Miller is bound to a contender.

        • Sensnation

          Hard to tell, new gm in town. The Gillis shit show is over and they still have the aging Sedins to go for one last run with.

          • MethotToMyMadness

            They are basically doing what Ottawa did 3 years ago, taking some of the vet core and moving them for parts/picks and attempting a retool of sorts. Although I think they are in a worse situation goalie/prospect wise to start off. So they better do something.

    • my2sens

      Pascal Leclaire has come out of (wherever the fuck he is) and signed a 10 year, 30 MIL contract with the Canucks and a bonus from BubbleWrap.

  • jtf927

    i am happy for kesler, i always liked him as a player. while the return was decent for van, i would have disappointed with a return like that for spezza. glad to see murray is holding out. i was surprised that van moved garrison. can’t help but wonder what he would have been like in a sens jersey. he has a bomb of a shot and can lay the body. with kesler now off the table, i can see teams initially interested in spezza and for those whom he was a plan “b”, really ramping it up. this is going to be an awesome day to be a sens fan. :)

  • Senswest

    Hi everyone!!! finally decided to join in on conversation!!!

    • xN1Cx

      Get off my lawn! ;)

      • Garrioch’s reliable source

        LMAO

        • CR Sens

          Upvoting your Username, actually lol’ed

    • RUSH RLZ

      Welcome aboard the Sens Train!

      • Quantum

        Usualy a lurker decided to come out when everyone was talking about beer cause i had none left

        • Senswest

          hahaha i have lots!!!

          • Quantum

            just came back from the store ;)

          • bluebuyyoo

            Went to Roi d’la Biere this morning and stocked up for the extra long weekend. Bring it on!

        • Long Time Lurker

          I make my own at Brewers Delight and have beer on tap. Never need to go to the beer store

  • Senswest

    Trade proposal

    Ott Spezza + Weir to Col ROR + 1st 2014

    • Michenator

      I’d be more than happy with that.

  • Hax

    A few things to consider if the Kesler return got you down:

    Kesler apparently only let two teams bid on him (Hawks being the other one).
    Kesler only has two years left on his contract. Spezza (if traded July 1st) could agree to an extension as part of the trade. So while some teams might prefer the short term or feel they can extend Kesler when the time comes, other teams might pay more for an extended Spezza than only two years guaranteed with Kesler.
    Spezza does fill a different need than Kesler as well.

    All-in-all, I can see the Spezza return being better than the Kesler return.

  • Senswest

    And by the way SensChirp, you are doing a great job my friend!!!!

  • boom

    Spezza and Wiercioch for Shaw, Hjalmarsson, and 27th overall?

    Shaw is a pain the ass to play agains, and has some talent.
    Turris
    Zibby
    Shaw
    Smith

    Hjalmarsson is a guy who can play alot of minutes and could play with Karlsson.

    Feel free to make fun…

    • Michenator

      This would be incredible.

    • Phil.

      I think any deal with CHI would have to include Versteeg as a salary dump to make the cap work for them.

      • whammer44

        Lots of rumours about them moving Sharp. If Spezza ends up in Chicago I could see both Versteeg and Sharp moved out

        • Sandy

          Well they had better add a little something something if they want cheapskate Melnyk to take on salary.

    • Sandy

      Love Shaw but so does Chicago. He’s not leaving. They need to move salary. I wish it was Spezza for Hossa but that’s not happening.

      • boom

        Yeah, the fact that the Hawks love him is definitely the flaw in my trade proposal…

        • Sandy

          Would surely be nice.

  • Brock

    Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
    VAN trades 3rd round pick acquired in Kesler deal to NYR for Derek Dorsett. So add Dorsett to VAN’s return on Kesler.

    Jeez. Vancouver making moves.

    • Sandy

      Maybe Benning was the brains in Boston and not Chiarelli. That’s a good pick up. Rangers must really be nervous about the top of the cap because they have key players to sign.

    • Rafi Bomb

      Wow. Would have liked Dorsett in Ottawa. I am surprised NYR traded him. They could lose a big chunk of their bottom six this offseason in Dorsett, Boyle, Pouliot and Carcillo.

  • FistsofNeil25

    So Phoenix has officially buying out Ribiero… hmmmm

  • Senswest

    Watch out for Arizona, just initiate buy out for Ribeiro!!! maybe they could be the surprise to trade for Spezza!!! Keep in mind, one of their owner is from Ottawa!!!

    • Sandy

      And used to be a season ticket holder for the Sens. Since he is rich I assume he is known by a few Sens players including Spezza.

      • laughing

        Could we trade Spezza + Melnyk for him? ;)

        • Sandy

          Hey great idea. Then Melnyk wouldn’t have as many fans at him for his budget. Then Alfie and the Ottawa guy from Phoenix + a few others can buy the Sens. Alfie comes back, all is right in the world again.

  • whammer44

    Leafs making a run at FLA’s pick…rumours of JVR package…

    • Sandy

      Leafs are desperate? They are thinking of trading JVR, they must be getting Milan.

      • whammer44

        They need serious upgrade on D. I can see why they would want the pick

      • FistsofNeil25

        If They’re trading JVR+ for the first overall then they are going full scale rebuild.

        • Sandy

          Ekblad and Rielly (sp) those are 2 good young D men.

          • FistsofNeil25

            They sure are and will make a great defensive pairing in about 5 years. They’re obviously thinking long term if they make a deal like this which means Shanahan has brought some common sense to that organization. Damn.

        • whammer44

          Maybe…but lets say they throw in their pick they wouldn’t you think they would likely get someone back as well?

    • Senswest

      Laffs would be stupid to trade JVR!!!

      • laughing

        They would be, but I wouldn’t be surprised though.

      • peetypuck

        Stupid seems to be their trademark.

        • Sandy

          Making room for Brodeur? LOL

        • A-Train

          Not the worst move actually. Good player, but easier to replace than a stud defender.

          • spezzerman

            I’ve heard that some scouts feel ekblad isnt a guarantee top pairing dman?

          • laughing

            Even if he isn’t, he’ll still be a good pick.

    • ill district

      JVR is the man, no reason to trade this guy.

    • Sensnation

      Vancouver is too and they are making moves today.

  • Spoons

    Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie
    OTT trades Eugene Melnyk to PHO for a conditional 2015 3rd round pick.

    • Sandy

      Make that a conditional 6th round pick..

    • Sensnation

      My question is who are you drafting as his replacement? Line me up a better option and I’ll be all for it, until then it sure beats bankruptcy.

      • laughing

        C’mon, don’t ruin the fun :)

        • Sensnation

          my bad ;)

      • jimmyjohnson

        I volunteer to be a billionaire. I’ll bitr that bullet.

        …for the team!

        • laughing

          I’m hoping to win the lottery tonight ;)

  • Sandy

    So now that Arizona has initiated the buyout of Ribiero does that mean they are getting a player in like Spezza?
    I hope so, that would show St Louis they you gotta pay to get something.

    • Senswest

      Yandle + Samuelson

      • Sandy

        Anything + Samuelsson.

        • Senswest

          I watched Samuelsson and lazar played the last two years for the Oil kings!!!!

          • Sandy

            Just seeing him at the Memorial Cup makes me hope the Sens could land him.

          • Senswest

            Already have my sens jersey sign by Lazar!!! Great kid

          • Sandy

            Lucky you. I’m really looking forward to see him in Ottawa next season.

          • Senswest

            It won’t take long to be a fan favorite in Ottawa, he is sure is one here in Edm!!

          • Sandy

            He already is a favourite in Ottawa and he hasn’t played a game here.

          • sprucesens

            good to see another sens fan in edmonton!

          • sprucesens

            nice. almost bought a oil kings memorial cup hat at west ed mall today

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yandle is a Karlsson light. He’s brutal in his own end. Phoenix fans don’t like his defensive play and we don’t need another pure offensive defenseman.

      • Max2166

        That would be great.

      • Sandy

        So just before the 12th pick, will we hear Bettman say, I have a trade to announce?

  • NickofTime

    IMO Stashny & Thornton could be ahead of centres who will draw interest over the one dimensional Spezza. Chris Neil should be the next captain not the diving Swede. Still think it will be Spezza to St Louis for Berglund & a 1st.

    • jimmyjohnson

      This is the trollingest post of the week.

      And tookie has been all over this thing… That’s saying a lot.

      • laughing

        I don’t know about that. Tookie still has time to reclaim the title; let’s not be hasty about these things.

      • sprucesens

        its bad, but give tookie until the draft starts at least

  • esk

    would philly trade Couturier? would sens be interested?

    • Max2166

      I think the Sens were interested in drafting him.

      • Sensnation

        We had a chance, chose not to. We also had Hamilton ahead of him on our board.

        • jimmyjohnson

          They didn’t even bring Couturier in to Ottawa. They had absolutely no intention to draft him.

          • laughing

            I don’t think there’s a disagreement here, JJ. We had the chance to draft him if we wanted him. We didn’t want him, and so we passed in favour of Zbad.

          • jimmyjohnson

            With Sensnation? I know that. I was diagreeing with the general notion that we even considered Couturier, let alone wanted to draft him.

            My comment was: “not only did we pass him over for Zibanejad, we didn’t even invite him for an interview. If you listened to the Senate Reform draft talk, it was extraordinarily clear that they were never going to pick Couturier.”

          • laughing

            Sorry, my bad. :)

      • A-Train

        Except the passed and drafted Zibanejad instead.

      • jimmyjohnson

        Couturier?? Lol no they weren’t. Not at all, actually.

    • Spoons

      Couturier was a runner-up for the Selke trophy. Quite impressive at such an young age!

      • Sensnation

        Definitely, though so far he looks more Mike Fisher type. 2b/3a C

    • whammer44

      I don’t see Couturier being anything more than a good #3 C.

      • Spoons

        LMAO! Is that Tattoo from Fantasy Island?

        • whammer44

          Yes boss

          • Long Time Lurker

            You need to go to Malaysia and help them find “Da Plane”

          • whammer44

            *points that way —————————>

  • esk

    shattuppp “Spezza camp told Murray they would welcome an opportunity to speak with a club before a trade to talk contract options moving forward”..” GM Bryan Murray told Jason Spezza’s camp today he’s yet to receive an offer that satisfies Ottawa.”@andystrickland

    • Sandy

      NO way. If Spezza refuses a deal then the trade falls through.
      The Sens are trading him, what else does he want?

      • Senswest

        No way for sure, he asked for a trade and submitted is 10 teams, now just seat back and wait Mr Spezza!!!

        • Sandy

          If he doesn’t like the team after being there, he can just walk away in 1 yr.

          • jimmyjohnson

            And that’s exactly what Murray should tell them.

            /sarcasm

      • Sensnation

        Woah, that’s not what it means. There’s a chance Murray could get more value out of the trade if Spezza is willing to re-sign with that team. All this means is Spezza’s camp is willing to talk to teams if it helps. Murray won’t let this happen until he has an offer he would accept. This isn’t Spezza saying he will only go to teams that will re-sign him.

  • Sandy

    Ribiero was going to be paid 5.5M this year and 6M next 2 years. That’s more money than Spezza.

    • ill district

      656 points in 865 games. I think he’s worth the 6mil.

  • whammer44

    Pierre LeBrun on Team 1040: “GM told me as of this morning the price was way too high on Jason Spezza”

    • Sandy

      Must be St Louis saying that.

    • bluebuyyoo

      Likely pissed because BMGM refused his garbage trade.

      • Rafi Bomb

        This. It is probably a GM like Armstong complaining that Murray won’t take a Berglund, Rattie and a 1st kind of deal and that he will actually have to part with something of value like Tarasenko.

        • Sandy

          St Louis could be on the outside looking in when everything gets settled.

          • sprucesens

            i have a feeling they will be the exact same team as they were last year

          • Sandy

            .. with worse goaltending. I’m still not sold on Elliott.

          • laughing

            Neither were we, when he was in Ottawa.

          • sprucesens

            yeah elliot was riding insane numbers, like andy 2 years ago. if they were smart they’d go with miller again for a full year rather than just a deadline guy. deadline trades rarely make the difference team, because of lack of chemistry, and the feeling like you don’t belong, and are the team’s answer to making it all the way. added pressure mixed with not knowing anyone is a big pill to swallow. Make it a whole year, and its a different story. But that ship has sailed

          • jimmyjohnson

            That’s still a pretty good team.

  • karlssens

    Don’t think a deal is going down today unfortunately. And for the love of God just sign Michalek. This team is so god damn cheap. A friend of mine really thinks that are trying to snag Eichel or Mcdavid next year..

    • Sandy

      New rules for the draft lottery next season, that’s unlikely.

    • Sensnation

      Still think the pressure is being increased on all those teams and gms watching Anaheim get better and Vancouver making moves.

    • Rafi Bomb

      Don’t want Michalek. He is a 3rd liner at this point.

      • karlssens

        We have a cap floor to hit..

        • Rafi Bomb

          There are other UFA’s we can sign and we can always make a trade with a team that has cap issues. Apparently the Penguins are looking to free up some cap space and they are shopping Neal.

          • Sandy

            What UFAs are going to come to Ottawa after the team loses it’s two of it’s key players in back to back seasons?

          • laughing

            Probably not any big names, but still it’s possible.

  • whammer44

    $69M upper cap limit this year

    • Hax

      I’m going to guess that helps us. But honestly I’m exhausted. LOL

    • Sandy

      Is Stan Bowman sweating a lot?

      • whammer44

        No doubt…with Towes and Kane both looking for $10-$12M he’s got to start dumping soon

      • Max2166

        Ok Stan make an offer to Bryan Murray.

      • Sensnation

        Chiarelli’s in an ice bath already.

        • Sandy

          LOL

  • Terry

    I am sober

    • laughing

      Then you’re doing it wrong ;)

      • Terry

        at work……for just under 3 more hours.

        • laughing

          Yeah, so am I. Just teasing you!

          • Terry

            although…..coffee and bailey’s………

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    So more importantly… What is the floor?!?!?

    • Sensnation

      I believe it’s 16mil below the ceiling.

      • laughing

        I’m going to accept this as correct, cause I’m too lazy to work it out myself.

        • Sensnation

          K, looked it up. It’s a confusing formula based on the Adjusted Midpoint, but it must be at least 16 million less than the max and no more than 28 million less than the max.

          ARTICLE 50.5 of the CBA

          • laughing

            You, sir, are more ambitious than I. Also, according to some guy on here the other day, apparently I am you — so nice to meet you, my supposed alter ego, lol!

          • Sensnation

            You are me? Sweet, I knew cloning had gone human! Nice to meet you as well.

          • whammer44

            its really strange that you are having a conversation with yourself

          • laughing

            LOL!

    • Hax

      $51M according to Dreger.

      • Sandy

        Melnyk must be happy.

  • A-Train

    Is this the point in the “game of chicken” when you hit the Mack truck?

  • karlssens

    Lord at this point I’ll take that Berglund rattie first offer..

    • bluebuyyoo

      No. Lots of time yet.

      • karlssens

        Compared to that VAN offer? Still much better than that..

        • BeJamin

          Look at Kessler stats the last 3 years. He’s not even over 50 points and 25g pace in any of them. With way better linemates. Spezza is much superior. Though they are different types.

      • Max2166

        If Armstrong does not want to give more, then Murray should be talking to Maloney or Nill.

    • Rafi Bomb

      That is garbage. We might as well just keep him if that is all we can get.

    • Max2166

      So would I. Get the deal done Bryan Murray.

    • laughing

      Pass. Sorry.

    • Frankie Fives

      Thank goodness you’re not the GM. No panic moves!

  • Senswest

    Murray is doing a great job by being patient and by telling them to upgrade their offers!!!

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Except that lower than expected cap makes taking him on harder

      • Sandy

        Not for the Coyotes or the Panthers.,

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          True enough… Kinda where I’m hoping at this point

        • whammer44

          Out with Riberio in with Spez!

          • sprucesens

            dallas and nashville for me!!

  • Hax

    Someone (Colorado or Chicago) will sign Stastny and then St. Louis (or Colorado/Chicago) will fight over Spezza. Deal will get done July 1st.

    • Phil.

      I don’t see CHi having the cap space for Stastny (unless they move someone with a decent salary: Sharp or Bickell)

      • Hax

        Which they are rumored to be doing. Though those rumors might be based on guesses that they want Stastny.

      • whammer44

        I would say Sharp and Versteeg are the ones they are looking to move. I would guess they are offering Sharp to the Sens

        • Max2166

          I thought Sharp had a list of teams he did not want to be on.

          • whammer44

            could be…I’m not aware of his feeling on Ottawa

          • Sandy

            Probably not much of a feeling.

          • Deadly

            Tooks,is that you?

          • laughing

            Sandy is definitely not Tookie.

          • whammer44

            waaaay to negative. He’s from Thunder Bay I think…Ottawa has gotta feel like FLA

    • Max2166

      Colorado offered him 5,5 and he said no.

      • Hax

        Correct. And Stastny’s agent apparently told Colorado they’d give them a chance to match other offers on July 1st.

        • whammer44

          I’m assuming thats true as I’ve read it on a few different sites

        • Max2166

          And Colorado said they would not offer more. So he will sign with a another team on July 1st.

          • Hax

            Probably. Don’t really care where he signs since no matter what it should help light a fire under the teams looking at Spezza.

          • Sandy

            What if Ottawa offered 8M?

          • Max2166

            Well Eugene will not offer him that.

          • laughing

            Highly doubtful, sadly. Don’t forget who our owner is.

  • Phil.

    “Don’t know if “bidding war” is right term but Murray has an asset that 3 West teams (STL,DAL,CHI) are interested in. Return should be decent”

    Stastny will sign in one of those cities, which leaves 2 teams fighting for Spezza. starting to look like the Kesler situation (and return?).

    • Hax

      Disagree. I think once Stastny is 100% gone Colorado may jump in. Plus there have been rumors of Florida and or the Rangers.

      Even 3 teams is way better than 2. But I think there are more involved even if they’re not front runners yet.

      • Phil.

        Please don’t use logic to contradict me…

        • laughing

          Don’t you just hate that :)

    • esk

      if stastny wants to cash in..i think he signs somewhere else

    • sprucesens

      i’d say we are down to STL, NAS, DAL, FLA, Tampa

      • jimmyjohnson

        ARZ probably has a foot in the door and I can never discount the Rangers being involved. Glen Sather could call a press conference, address me personally, guarantee they weren’t interested, then give me 24 hour access to their systems to monitor their activity…and I still wouldn’t trust that they could restrain themselves.

        You should also include Colorado, SJ, and Chicago.

  • ill district

    69 mil cap!

  • Sandy

    http://www.capgeek.com/
    Philly, Chicago, Boston in a little bit of a squeeze.

    • esk

      why are we labelled cheap when there are 17 other teams that spend less than us in payroll? dont get it

      • sprucesens

        you didn’t just look at capgeek did you?

        • sprucesens

          because we have like 20 players under contract, whereas the rest still need to sign half a team

          • esk

            hmm wonder where we stand with the rest of the league..

          • laughing

            IIRC, I think someone mentioned that we were near the bottom of the league for payroll this past season. Maybe someone with an actual source can chime in on this?

    • Sensnation

      Looks like Tampa pretty much filled up their team too. 5 mil to go with 4 RFAs to sign.

  • Hax

    I don’t like to bemoan the whole budget thing …. but even if we were a true “mid cap” team we could have a hell of a roster next year for $60M.

    • Sandy

      COULD is the proper word in there. But that’s 4M over budget.

      • Senswest

        I pretty sure they will be a fun team to watch next year will all those young kids pushing on the team, saying that even before i know the return for Spezza!!!

        • Hax

          I know you’re new here, but optimism is kinda frowned upon.

          LOL

          • peetypuck

            He must be a troll.

          • Senswest

            Hey Hax!! if u choose not to be optimism it is your choice but i like my choice!!! Life is all about choice….

          • Hax

            Wow you are new! I’m pretty much the resident optimist here. Glad to have another positive voice!

          • Sensnation

            We are growing in numbers! GO SENS GO!!!

          • Senswest

            Lots of Sens fan in Edmonton!!! and by the way i am originally from East!!!

          • jimmyjohnson

            East Asia?

          • peetypuck

            No, East Edmonton!

          • jimmyjohnson

            East end of the street he’s on. He just got home from work…

        • Garrioch’s reliable source

          saaaaiiid every Edmonton fan for the last 5 years

          • sprucesens

            5?

          • laughing

            IKR. Only 5? ;)

          • peetypuck

            Learning to love losing is an acquired taste.

          • Sensnation

            Toronto Sports Network will be running a special on it.

          • peetypuck

            Is it a one or two hour special?

          • Sensnation

            One. Toronto fans know the 2nd half is never worth watching.

          • laughing

            Maybe more of a mini-series.

          • peetypuck

            Leading up to the Laffs 50th anniversary in 2017.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Awww.. I didn’t even see this. You beat me to it. plus-1

          • laughing

            Great minds think alike :)

          • jimmyjohnson

            Be careful calling me a great mind. About 95% of posters on here argue vehemently otherwise. You might get some poop flung at you.

          • peetypuck

            Don’t worry, some of us can understand you. LOL

          • laughing

            Point taken! Would you prefer I call you an average mind instead? ;)

          • jimmyjohnson

            1967 man… 1967.

            It’s a 6 part miniseries.

          • jimmyjohnson

            And the first phrase will be “once you learn to love losing, it just comes naturally.” This will be highlighted by video of the Leafs collapse against Boston and a quick time graphic of the 2013-14 standings from Jan-Apr, after which they will say poignantly “losing effectively is an art form. Once you get good at it, people won’t even know how much you enjoy it.”

          • Senswest

            Not a oilers fan!!!!

          • sprucesens

            i know, i’m from spruce grove, and everytime someone see’s me decked out in all my sens gear, which coincidentally happened today, ask if i’m from ottawa. I just say ” no, i’m just not stupid and cheer for these idiots” another coincidence, was there was a 20 foot oiler sign about 20 feet away. I didn’t care if he was an oiler fan or not. He didn’t go on to say if he was a fan or not, lol

  • Sandy

    Benning got pretty smart in dumping that salary. Some teams must be sweating.

  • Sensnation

    What are Buffalo, Calgary and Florida going to do to get to the cap floor?

    • Terry

      Now is a good time to be a UFA, with good stats last season.

      • sprucesens

        florida is gonna trade the 1st overall and gudbranson to the sens for spezza and cowen to get to the floor ;)

        • sprucesens

          then we flip the 1st to edmonton for eberle and the 3rd. Draft either bennet or reinhart

          • Sensnation

            That Eberle + 3rd pick for the 1st makes no sense. I heard it earlier this week too. Eberle would command multiple 1st round picks on his own like Kessel.

            If MacT did this he is braindead. Don’t compound the Yakupov mistake by making another. I could see Yakupov + 3rd pick though. Florida does need a winger.

          • Senswest

            You never know with Mac T but i could see also Yakupov + 3rd pick

        • Terry

          Where can I forge BM’s Signature to get that done?

          • sprucesens

            i think there is a premaid ink stamp available at staples. Don’t forget the ink pad

          • Terry

            I am leaving work right now……quick stop for Tim’s and Baileys then onto Staples!!!!!!!!!

          • sprucesens

            DON”T FORGET THE INK PAD

          • Terry

            Already have one.

  • sprucesens

    from E-land Panthers sitting on 2 legit offers for #1 #NHL draft pick. Heard as of late this afternoon those offers were not from a Canadian team.

    • Hax

      Kypper just tweeted that almost word-for-word. Is Eklund Kypper?

      • laughing

        Nah, Eklund just has Kypreos’ tweet on his main page.

      • sprucesens

        i’m sure Ek just reposted it. But we can start a rumor. i’ve got nothing else to do

  • Frankie Fives

    So, I’ve got TSN on early and I hear Landsberg interview Wiggins on OTR. He has to be the worst interviewer in the business. Asking dumbass questions about partying with Manziel, how many texts he received, what PlayStation games he likes. WHO CARES???

    • Hax

      Doesn’t Landsberg own TSN or something? Or president maybe?

      • jimmyjohnson

        Vp of ballstroking

        • laughing

          Ew.

    • sprucesens

      i like wiggins, his “full” name is only 1 letter away from mine. I hate basketball though, lol

      • jimmyjohnson

        Is your name Warden Swigin?

    • Aaron 2.0

      Haha. Saw it too. It was actually a terrible on both sides.

      • Frankie Fives

        Pretty sure Wiggins was confused by the questions which is why he looked so bad

        • Aaron 2.0

          Haha. Maybe. But, at the same time, a guy like Duchene would have still managed to make lemonade out of those lemons. I’m sure Wiggins will be a great player though!

    • Brock

      What’s your favourite gun on Call of Duty?

    • laughing

      The name Wiggins, for some reason, makes me immediately think of the Simpsons character Chief Wiggum — I don’t know why.

    • jimmyjohnson

      Landsberg is vested man. He does whatever the hell he wants.

      • Keregan

        lol

  • Max2166

    TSN 1200 is saying the favorites for Jason Spezza are: Dallas, Florida and St. Louis.

    • esk
    • Sandy

      With the way St Louis tried to cheap it out, I hope they don’t get Spezza.
      Dallas being in their division, I hope it’s them.
      What about the Coyotes?

      • Max2166

        They did not mention the Coyotes.

        • Senswest

          But Coyotes have lots of room and they needs a good center!!!

        • jimmyjohnson

          Might be time for a rebuild in the desert. Cavin’ for McDavin’

  • peetypuck

    As the suspense keeps rising on which team will draft 1st overall. Florida…Vancouver…Ottawa?

    • Shibal

      Why mention Vancouver?

      • peetypuck

        They’re rumoured to be after the 1st pick too.

        • jimmyjohnson

          Did I miss something? Since when is Ottawa after the number 1 pick?

          • peetypuck

            We’ve been talking about that all day. Maybe it’s just us fans that want it.

          • Sensnation

            The rumour was bred over Florida and Ottawa talking Spezza trade, and Ottawa wanting a 1st round pick this year.

          • jimmyjohnson

            oh that? lol nonono. That’s not something to take seriously. We aren’t getting the 1st overall.

      • laughing

        Cause we can! Also, cause of what peetypuck said below :)

      • jimmyjohnson

        lol ? why mention Ottawa..?

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    If you step back and think about it, it’s too bad we have to trade Spez. End of an era. Such a good player. I’m going to miss him. Murray’s right… you never truly win by trading a guy like him.

    • Brock

      Probably the most skilled guy we’ve ever had.

      • Phil.

        Behind Karlsson.

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        I agree. By far the best centre the organization has ever produced. Guy is so good.

        We can only hope the return will make us better.

    • esk

      i still want an explanation from him..how do you go from really wanting to be captain and then middle of the year request a trade (supposedly he requested a trade before the trade deadline)

      • laughing

        Explanation from Jason? It’s been pretty well documented here on SensChirp for the past few months as to the reasons that he’s willing to accept a trade.

        • jasonontheoldsenschirp

          And I don’t blame him for leaving. Like with Alfie, I hope he goes and wins a cup.

          After we do, of course :)

  • Sensnation

    Wasn’t today supposed to be Tim Murray’s day? Hadn’t heard one rumor until the Myers one.

    • FistsofNeil25

      What was the Myers rumor? I’ve missed everything in the past couple hours driving up the the cottage. Fill me in on all the rumors!

      • Sensnation

        He may be available and Vancouver among others were inquiring.

        • Phil.

          Right. at this point the rumor is: Myers may or may not be traded…

          • Sensnation

            Just like every player ever on the block. Ya. But wasn’t my main point.

          • Phil.

            Wasn’t meaning to pick on you. Just seems names (every name) are being thrown out there by the “experts” to fill the time.

          • Sensnation

            Oh for sure, so many contradictory rumours out there, hard to parse through. Really shows how active Vancouver is being though, exactly what that fan base needs to see right now.

          • Phil.

            A riot of activity?

          • Sensnation

            haha, exactly :)

        • FistsofNeil25

          Interesting. Tim would be stupid to give up on him so soon unless they get a really good return. He had a pretty good season this year on such a bad team. Buffalo fans really seemed to like the progress he made.

          • Sensnation

            Agreed. Him, Cowen, Gudbranson they all will take time.

          • FistsofNeil25

            If they’re not good by the time they hit 25 or 26 then they can but cut loose lol even then it’s risky.

    • Garrioch’s reliable source

      Wellll – Tim will “own the podium” tonight

  • FistsofNeil25

    I don’t think the offers will ever be better than they will be tonight. GM’s are always horny to make big moves on draft day. If Spezza doesn’t get traded tonight then we can expect this fiasco to drag on for weeks.

    Murray just wants to get this over with so he can focus on other business.

    • Kumar

      I don’t mind we don’t rush too.

    • Garrioch’s reliable source

      It’s not a fiasco – there’s no need for BM to make a panic move.
      If it goes on all summer – so be it.

      • FistsofNeil25

        The longer it drags on the less interested opposing GM’s will become. These guys go into vacation mode once free agency settles down.

        • Sensnation

          If he’s still here after the main free agency period, he will probably be here through closer to next season’s trade deadline.

          • FistsofNeil25

            They need to get this over with and hope that another GM steps up with their offer. The Sens need to have a fresh start next year and a clean slate. Jason is a great guy and a great player but bringing him back will just be a distraction. It’s time for everyone in the organization and the fanbase to focus on the next generation and not let this drag out.

            Hopefully someone makes Murray a good offer within the next couple hours. maybe Murray already has an offer he likes but he’s just sitting on it as we get closer to draft time to see if another team ups their bid.

    • Sandy

      They have to wait until Stastny signs somewhere, then Spezza will be the best out there.

  • Kumar

    It is highly unlikely the deal get done at 7 pm; therefore, it has to be done before that. I will love to see we making a move with Florida, since Tampa made some splash signing Garrison, I could see Talon doing the same for Sunny State. I will take the 1st and Bjugstad or Huberdeau ; may be send Cowen for Kulikov

  • Brock

    I don’t believe we’re moving up in this draft, but if we do, I’d like to see us draft Draisaitl. I believe he could become the best player in this draft. Has good size, good hands, and a good shot. I think he could become a top player in this league.

    • Sensnation

      Out of curiosity, what’s the earliest you’d pick him at?

      • Brock

        1st – Ekblad
        2nd – Draisaitl
        3rd – Reinhart
        4 – Bennett

        Just how I personally see player potential and talent.

        • Sensnation

          Thx, nice list. Can’t be upset with any of those players. I agree with Ekblad 1st too.

        • jimmyjohnson

          Reinhart goes 2nd. Not long until my belief in this is confirmed.

          That is unless he goes 1st

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    I also don’t think the Sens need the first rounder. We’ve got good talent in the prospect department already because of good drafting over the past couple years. What the team needs most are guys who can friggin play on the team right now. Dorion said himself this year’s class is the weakest he’s seen in a while.

    • Frankie Fives

      I wonder if the Sens are trying to not only move Spezza but put another package together to get a top-5 pick. In order to do so, they need a mid-round pick to trade along with players/prospects

  • esk

    ““@HeleneStJames: More on Daniel Alfredsson: He has told #RedWings he’ll either play next season for them, or retire.” :(

    • Sandy

      So I guess his back is not what it should be. How long can he let them wait? They will need to make a move on July 1st if he is retiring.

      • laughing

        I thought someone yesterday said that the Red Wings were considering not bringing him back. If that happens, I wonder if he’ll just retire then.

      • Aaron 2.0

        Makes complete sense. He won’t be moving his family again, until it’s for retirement, and then the Alfredsson clan will settle somewhere for good.

  • Brock

    Pierre LeBrun @Real_ESPNLeBrun
    Told that Ottawa insisted to the end in talks with Anaheim on 10th overall pick. Ducks went Kesler route instead

    • esk

      good for murray

    • jimmyjohnson

      So he would have accepted Bonino, Sbisa, and the 10th???

      I really really hope that is because they have a homerun kid sitting there.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    You know what- I bet the guy doesn’t even get traded tonight lol.

    • laughing

      Well, 50/50 chance you’re right!

    • Aaron 2.0

      I’d bet you’re right, but hope you’re wrong.

  • esk

    Bryan Murray and Stan Bowman just ended a long chat. They didn’t shake hands. #Sens haven’t heard what they want from anyone.@SunGarrioch

    • Garrioch’s reliable source

      Doesn’t BM get tired of Boo Boo following him around ?

    • Kumar

      May be both knew they didn’t wash hands after a visit to the toilet.

  • Dirtysweetness

    Come on Dallas!

    • Kumar

      What you have in mind from Dallas ?

      • jimmyjohnson

        Dallas has nothing to trade that they would trade.

        • whammer44

          unless they trade what they have to trade that they didnt want to trade

          • jimmyjohnson

            but then they would have traded for what they wanted with what they wanted to keep that they didn’t intend to trade because what they had to trade was not trade enough and now they don’t have what they didn’t want to trade because they traded it.

          • Dirtysweetness

            Holly! I’ll have what you’re having! And you wonder why kids throw rocks.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Because they’re raised by people like you who justify their behaviour because of your own twisted perception?

          • Dirtysweetness

            Yes. That’s it.

          • jimmyjohnson

            indeedelly

        • Garrioch’s reliable source

          just right the LOGIC 101 final ?

          • laughing

            Don’t you mean ‘write’?

          • jimmyjohnson

            laughing

      • Dirtysweetness

        Dillon/Oleksak/Ritchie/Chaisson….any two of these three please!

        • jimmyjohnson

          oleksiak ewwwww

  • Kumar

    Honestly what would have been the long chat between BM and Bowman ???
    May be they were discussing some of the best place to visit in Chicago or Ottawa.

    BM will love to take Sharp, but if he is no go, then I will settle for Saad, Shaw and their top pick; however, Bowman will look unload some of their duds like Bickell (higher version of Greening), or overrated Virsteeg.

    I dont mind sending Spezza, Cowen, Prince for Seabrook, Saad and their top pick.

    • whammer44

      of course you wouldn’t…that is so preposterous. Why would Chicago ever consider doing that?

      • Jakester

        Da Plane Boss Da Plane!

      • jimmyjohnson

        Because Harrold crashed the draft and DA has a weakness plant material.

      • Kumar

        Are you learning what preposterous means ??? this is called over usage of a word.
        If you find it ridiculous, too bad. Just live with it. They need a line 2 center, which won’t come free. Also, they can’t hold on to all pieces, when they are going to pay north of $10M for both Kane and Toews. Also, they want to hold on to Sharp plus Hossa…..Do you think they will have money to sign for Saad. The odd man out from their D would Seabrook because he has only 2 years left in contract. Oduya will be a cheaper option for them. Also, Leddy is a RFA an year from now.

        Now let see whether anything sounds preposterous for a team looking to add 2nd line center. We are talking about Spezza not an average bloke.

        • jimmyjohnson

          $7M a year is anything but free.

          And the deals you proposed are well outside of reality. The deal you settled for would be a deal our GM would jump at.

        • laughing

          LOL! Not happening, in spite of whatever you might believe.

        • whammer44

          Preposterous-contrary to reason or common sense; utterly absurd or ridiculous.
          “a preposterous suggestion”
          I’ll stand by that.
          In my opinion your analysis and evaluation is way off. I’m sure Hawk fans are happy you’re not running the team.

  • SuckitPhaneuf

    To Sens
    Chiasson and Roussel and 14th overall

    To Dallas
    Spezza and Greening

  • Mr Hockey

    If anyone finds a stream of the tsn broadcast please share it. All I can find is the crappy NHL network.

  • Jakester

    Murray trying to get a pick (in the Spezza deal)to trade it with a couple of players to land Gudbranson I think.

    • Mr Hockey

      Based on something you’ve heard or you’d just like that to happen? Not being snarky, serious question.

    • ProfessorPower

      That wouldn’t surprise me.

  • esk
    • ProfessorPower

      You are the best!

  • Frankie Fives

    If no Sens trades happen by the end of the first round, I’ll be pissed… drunk

    • jimmyjohnson

      won’t that be the case anyways?

      Or are you playing the “take a shot for every pick that goes by without a trade” game?

      • Frankie Fives

        I’m playing the “I’m getting drunk to celebrate the Spezza trade and if he doesn’t get traded I’m getting even more drunk” game

        • jimmyjohnson

          That sounds like a game that takes too much thinking

  • Terry

    Atta Boy BM, make it worth it!!!

  • Terry

    Argh!!! Not going to be in front of a TV for an hour!!!!! Alot of talk about Spezza, St Louis and Dallas on TSN 1200.
    Possibly some Tequila……….later.

  • jimmyjohnson

    Where’s all the draft talk?

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      Well we don’t have a pick so..

    • Sensnation

      Everyone’s holding their breath right now … or drunk!

    • bluebuyyoo

      Draft is much better than bottled.
      Mill St. is nice.
      Beau’s is tasty.
      Hogsback and Kichesippi will do too.

      • jimmyjohnson

        can I get that in limerick form please?

  • Sensnation

    Bettman can’t even get his speech out over all the booing. Awesome!

    • Deadly

      Bet the players and owners whose pockets are being filled are not booing him.The city of Brotherly love.

  • SuckitPhaneuf

    You would think Bettman would be embarrassed

  • Sensnation

    Ekblad gets things going!

  • SuckitPhaneuf

    Spezza is not being traded tonight
    If he was, it would have already happened

    • Sensnation

      That 2nd part is not true, we’d want to see closer to the pick who is still available.

  • SuckitPhaneuf

    Man there is some hot mothers in the crowd

    • Dirtysweetness

      Amen brotha! Just thinking the same thing.

      • PraiseAlfie11

        Got MILF?

  • Frankie Fives

    Man, Tim Murray seems like a real asshole lol

  • Mark

    It’s very likely that our team is going to be a laughing stock the next few years because our owner is broke and has to much pride to admit it. I can’t see Ryan staying when this team is showing that they have zero money coming from ownership. Fuck you Eugene.

    • Sensnation

      Did those first 3 picks set you off or something?

  • PraiseAlfie11

    My system of occasionally checking new post counts is telling me everything I need to know

  • FistsofNeil25

    Monahan – Bennett is going to be a nice look for Calgary.

    • jimmyjohnson

      Some time, years from now, people will look at Gaudreau and Bennett and Monahan and Baertshi and they will credit this teams scouting staff for falling ass backwards into a competitive core group

  • FistsofNeil25

    Don’t be too upset folks watching these teams pick good players in the top 5 guys! That will be us next year!

    • jimmyjohnson

      Except we’re gonna have 3 picks! One when we trade Spezza to Nashville and all their good players get hurt, and the other when we trade Bobby Ryan to Philadelphia and they can’t keep a puck out of their net because their best D-man is like 40.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Sounds good! We’ll get all three of McDavid, Eichel and Hanifin!

        • jimmyjohnson

          Rebuild: Complete.

          • FistsofNeil25

            In one year too!

  • karlssens

    Not looking good for tonight boys

    • FistsofNeil25

      The night is just getting started.

      • Deadly

        Too bad Murray is so inexperienced.St Louis lost the playoffs due to a poor power play so they would still be a good fit.

        • FistsofNeil25

          They’d be a good fit but they aren’t going to make their best offer for Spezza while they still have a fighting chance at Stastny. It just doesn’t make sense. If Murray accepts a deal from St Louis now he’s probably settling. If he pulls something off with Dallas or Phoenix or something then we’ll probably get a good return.

  • SuckitPhaneuf

    It aint happening tonight boys
    Once again, all talk, no action

    • spgottawa

      At this stage they likely don’t announce trades until just before the pick… Watch for picks 12, 14, 21, 27

      • spgottawa

        I stand corrected….

    • spgottawa

      We need a BM cam. Is he on the phone? Is he frowning a bit? Is he frowning a lot? What’s his heart rate? Is Pierre D whispering in his ear? Please tell me!

  • jimmyjohnson

    Virtanen is a terrible pick there. Jesus Vancouver! Brutal.

    • jimmyjohnson

      That was the Jim O’Brien of picks.

  • karlssens

    Good pick by Toronto.

    • spgottawa

      Yes. The faithful will be excited to get a Swede.

  • Brock

    Darren Dreger @DarrenDreger
    James Neal traded to Nashville

    • Sensnation

      Great move by Nashville, now they need Spezza to feed him!

    • MikeS

      whoa

    • Michenator

      “We have a trade” – I then proceeded to shit my pants with anticipation…

      • karlssens

        Definitely thought it was spezza..

      • Richard Gough

        I shit and pissed my pants
        How is that even possible ?

  • FBP

    My wife thinks Nylander looks like he belongs in Slytherin.

  • FBP

    Shit. Ritchie available at ten.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Why in the world would Pitt trade a young elite goal scorer who only makes 5 mil.

    • karlssens

      Potential attitude, lack of 2-way play etc. Who knows.

    • Jakester

      Not a bad trade for Pittsburgh

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        Like it better for Nashville, actually. The only problem now is he’ll have no one to play with. The Preds’ best centre is Mike Fisher

        • jimmyjohnson

          Gonna need a passer… if only one was available…

          • jasonontheoldsenschirp

            hehe

          • Jakester

            I guess when you Backcheck you’re considered more valuable?

          • jimmyjohnson

            Ovechkin makes like $10M per season

          • Jakester

            He pots 50 goals on a dysfunctional team.

          • jimmyjohnson

            lmao It’s dysfunctional because of him!!

          • Jakester

            Just like our guy has made the Sens dysfunctional, he’ll be traded soon, Sens are smart!

          • jimmyjohnson

            I … I … can’t disagree….. with that.

  • Captain Karl

    Dammit. Everyone making moves except us

  • Jakester

    There’s our pick

  • SensFanInMTL

    Trade is complete as Ryan for Nick Ritchie, Silversurfer and Naysin.

    • jimmyjohnson

      Some guy on HF said this about Ritchie and I lol’d

      Ritchie looks like a dumbass 2+2 = George Washington

  • thepez

    Since SENS news is light. My ranking as hottest looking mom is Reinharts mom.

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      lol

      • thepez

        Swiss kids mom rising on the charts. But Mrs. Reinhart still in front. Anyone else bored?

  • karlssens

    Looks like they picked another chubby kid to replace Bobby Ryan..

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Best case scenario for Ottawa: Spez has a change of heart and decides to stay lol. He ain’t getting traded today

    • Jakester

      No not a good scenario.

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        best scenario

        • Nicholas Rawlins

          I agree, not gonna get anything worth while, stay jay!

    • Sandy

      I hate to say I T Y S

  • SensFanInMTL

    So everyone making moves eh… Kesler to Anaheim and such. Hey guess what?

    GIVE US OUR DAMN ASSETS FOR SPEZZA ALREADY SACREMENT ESTI CRISSE DE CALISE DE TABARNAK. Go Sens go.

  • karlssens

    St. Louis just saw Anaheim and Nashville get better.. Something’s gotta give.

    • FistsofNeil25

      They’re going to wait it out and try to sign Stastny unless Murray cracks.

    • jimmyjohnson

      Did you know Peter Stastny finished his career in St. Louis? Paul was about 8 at the time.

      • Sandy

        Paul Stastny is going to St Louis. Book it.

  • Frankie Fives

    This is not as fun as I had anticipated…

  • Sensnation

    Nice pick by Phoenix. Dallas in 2

  • WaitingSince92

    Draft day.

    Bo. Ring.

    • jimmyjohnson

      kinda helps if you like league prospects as much as your own…

      • WaitingSince92

        I’m sure it does…

  • Frankie Fives

    Part of me is glad we aren’t getting a pick this season. I’d much prefer a 2015 1st rounder

    • Captain Karl

      Yep I agree.

    • jimmyjohnson

      I said that 2 months ago!

    • Jakester

      You only get one 2015 dude, like everyone else.

      • jimmyjohnson

        If this is a joke, it’s a bad one.

    • WaitingSince92

      What? That doesn’t make sense.

      It’s not like we have to pick between the two years. We had both and traded away one.

      • Frankie Fives

        OK, I’ll be more clear since many of you are drinking lol

        In a trade for Spezza. I’m glad BM didn’t make a deal for a 2014 1st. I’d rather see him trade for a 2015 1st.

        • Jakester

          Spezza not getting us anything yet!

        • jimmyjohnson

          The question was too dumb for me to plus 1 the explanation.

        • WaitingSince92

          I’m sure most people would, as it’s no big secret that it’s a stronger draft. However, it would take a lot more (ie the player and/or prospect you get in return would be much worse) to get that pick, especially because no one knows where they’re picking yet.

          So, I don’t think clarity is the issue here.

          It’s like saying “I’d rather have $10 as opposed to $5″

          • Frankie Fives

            So, you’re saying I’d be dumb to say “I’d rather have $10 as opposed to $5″?

            Alrighty then…

          • WaitingSince92

            You’re still not getting it…

            I’m saying that it doesn’t deserve mention, not that it’s stupid to want a 2015 pick. I’m sure everyone would love to have two 2015 1st rounders, but what you said insinuates it’s just as easy to get a 2015 1st as a 1st this year.

            Jesus-titty-fucking-christ!

          • Frankie Fives

            No, actually I didn’t get your explanation at all. The Sens weren’t going to get a top-10 pick in this draft and it’s not deep so ANY 2015 1st rounder is better than this year. Any team looking to deal for Spezza considers itself a contender so I highly doubt the 1st round pick (2014 or 2015) would make a huge difference to them

            Only issue is the Blues don’t have a pick in 2015 which is why I’ve felt all along that they’re not landing Spez

    • Shibal

      What’s even better – is that we would have two 2015 1st rounders.

  • Captain Karl

    Looks like nobody is getting a bottle of wisers. Does this mean the contest is reopened?

    • jimmyjohnson

      Tookie voted no trade, so…

  • SensFanInMTL

    FFS even James Neal was dealt before Spezza. Fuckin Stastny holding out. Sign now, Or walk. Be bought out. Sign prematurely. I don’t care. Just get this done. I will always like Spezza forever though.

    • jimmyjohnson

      this comment is so full of ridiculousnessiosity

  • Jakester

    Dallas not dealing either! Murray blew this in the last few days.

    • jimmyjohnson

      Blew it? He held strong during a time when everyone interested knew options were on the table in just a few days. Stastny especially (obviously) impacted other teams’ willingness to make something happen.

      Imo Murray would have blown it if he HAD traded Spezza tonight (assuming a less-than return)

      • Jakester

        I would have rather he said the offers were interesting, or that he said nothing at all. He shows his hand too much, would love to play Texas Hold’em against him.

    • zippy

      It’s a gamble.

      At some point BM will have to decide if he can get what he wants. The biggest issue is other GMs can just sign him next year as a UFA if they aren’t willing to give BM what he wants.

      If Spezza has a good year and stays healthy, he’ll probably be healthy for a couple of years. So you win signing him as a UFA. and give up nothing.

      If Spezza has a crappy year and is not healthy. They win because they didn’t give up anything.

      BM is taking a big risk.

      • Jakester

        Rather he was traded before we risk him getting hurt cuz then we’re fucked. Murray should take two players no pick and run.

        • jimmyjohnson

          LOL whut?

          wowllooll

        • WaitingSince92

          I’m sure he would if they were of good enough calibre. I mean, he said he’d do a 1-for-1 if the return was good enough.

          But you go ahead and tell Murray all the shit he already knows…

    • Frankie Fives

      Easy now. The deal may not get done until next week. Dallas, St Louis, Chicago, Florida, Arizona could all use Spezza. I have faith Murray is doing the right thing and not taking a crappy offer

    • Aaron 2.0

      That’s pretty tough to say, considering we have no idea what the best serious deal has been so far. If he’d made it, perhaps most of this board would be saying “Murray blew this”. If the market for Neal & Kesler are any indication, team’s are not moving on these bigger names right now.

  • Dirtysweetness

    Fuck sakes make the deal already.

    • Jakester

      St. Louis is going to offer a fifth rounder and an ice girl! Damn I hope she’s a hot one!

      • Dirtysweetness

        I guess we’ll have to be happy with that.

  • thepez

    For all those saying that the SENS would get screwed in any Sezza deal, the SENS will be fine with the captain in the lineup to start the season!

    • Captain Karl

      NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • Jakester

      Haha

    • Andrews theory

      If they’d kept everything quiet maybe.

      That’s not a great option at this point

      • Aaron 2.0

        I think we’ve commented on each other before about this exact point, but, YES, YES, a thousand times YES. For the life of me, I’ll never know why they were so quick to take this public. Maybe it would make sense if management knew they wanted him gone, and knew there were takers for the right price. But, that doesn’t appear to be the case.

  • FBP

    In a year and a half we’ll get Markstrom and Matthias.

  • Michenator

    I am more than happy to get a first in next years draft instead of this years draft… That is what will probably happen this summer…

  • Frankie Fives

    According to many of you here, panic should be one of the attributes of a Sens’ GM lol

  • SuckitPhaneuf

    Lightning on the phone…..

    • Jakester

      He Was ordering from Little Caesar’s.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Spezz ain’t goin nowhere tonight, folks.

  • FBP

    What a boring ass draft so far. I’m going to try to be done getting NHL trade hype.

  • Brock

    Trade about to be announced.

    • Sensnation

      Draft pick swap to set something up?

      • Brock

        I don’t think so. Just Chicago wanting to move up.

  • Jakester

    Come on Chicago trade it to us!

  • Aaron 2.0

    CHI moving up. I hold my breath any time Betman gets up there. Lol.

  • SuckitPhaneuf

    This is even more boring than I thought

    Anyone picked now is a project anyways

    • Jakester

      Big time.

  • Aaron 2.0

    Not a great joke. Yikes.

  • Jakester

    This might be the time or time to go to bed! Early tee off tomorrow. St Louis up next.

  • FBP

    Fuck-a-roo.

  • Sensnation

    Only 17 more picks …

    • Garrioch’s reliable source

      Ivan Barbashev
      Josh Ho-Sang
      Thatcher Demko

      • Sensnation

        Will any of those 3 be left? Maybe Ho-Sang due to his issues.

  • WaitingSince92

    Saw your tweet Chirp and was wondering why you think starting the season with Spezza is not an option. First let me say I know it wouldn’t be a good idea for a lot of reasons, but is there anything that prevents a possible Luongo situation where he overstays his welcome because they couldn’t get the trade return they were seeking? Just wondering.

  • Captain Karl

    Hmmmmm….looks like another week of spezculation

  • Harv

    Well, this was a bust and Bettman is making me nauseous every time he shows up on my TV. Time to go and watch some paint dry.

    If we keep Spezza do we give Hemsky $5.5M?

    • Conor_smythe

      that should have been our plan from the fucking start!!

      jeeeeeeesus

      • Aaron 2.0

        Unfortunately, if Spezza wants out, the plan is pretty much dictated by that.

    • RUSH RLZ

      I’m down with that!

  • Aaron 2.0

    Snow. Lol. “He’ll fit right in, they shit on me too.” Gold Jerry. Gold.

  • bluebuyyoo

    Garth Snow with the line of the night. When asked about how the media portrayed Ho-Sang, he said that “he would fit right in as the they shit on me too.”

  • peetypuck

    Hmmm, Nashville trades for Neal. Now they need a #1 centre and they’re set for next season.

  • Andrews theory

    I wondered if TBAY might be the team to take a run at ho sang.

    That’s some elite skill along with Stamkos and Droiun and I’m confident Stevie can talk some sense into the kid

    • Sandy

      He is a ‘me’ player. He has to smarten up or else he isn’t going to last very long in the NHL. Lots of skill, but he’s a problem going forward.

  • SuckitPhaneuf

    Every draftday and trade day we get all this hype followed by nothing
    Made upbuulshit toget more viewers and hits on websites

  • sprucesens

    chirp, we need some new rumours/news!!!

  • SuckitPhaneuf

    This was the best chance to get a good return for Spezza
    This tells us he wasnt a priority for any other team
    Trade value just went down

    • NOBODY can play with Spezza

      trade value always was and will continue to be minimal

  • Andrews theory

    That Neal trade is mind boggling, I mean they are both capable players but both of them are probably better suited to 3rd line roles at this point.

    When Pascal Dupuis is your 4th best forward are you really a contender?

    WTF

    • Aaron 2.0

      Yeah, that trade scared the hell out of me (regarding potential value for Spezza). Over the last 3 seasons, Neal is about as close to a PPG player as you can get (granted he’s in good company), and has 5 years on his contract at a reasonable cap hit of 5 million, at the age of 26. Spalling just seems like a spear part coming back to PIT. Maybe Hornqvist will surprise on a team that can actually score goals. But, considering that Neal has been a healthy PPG player, that’s scary. An oft-injured Spezza with only 1-year left on his contract can’t be worth as much (at least not in this current market).

      • Andrews theory

        I just don’t see how Ryan was worth essentially 3 first rounders while Neal is worth significantly less?

        • Aaron 2.0

          Yeah, it makes no sense. I guess supply and demand. And, maybe we gave up too much in a panic to get Ryan, and for the organization to save face following # 11. I’m not really sour on the deal for Ryan. But, the disparity b/w those two deals is pretty crazy!

  • sprucesens

    drafting edgars kulda anyone?

  • Gavin Ray

    If we can get McKeown Ill give Spezza away for free

  • Jakester

    Nowadays one dimensional oft injured players are worth……………….?

  • Spoons

    Berglund looks like a pretty sweet deal now, doesn’t he?

    • bluebuyyoo

      Still need a few more beers for that deal to look better

    • jtf927

      lol!

    • Andrews theory

      Nope, still looks like a shit deal to me.

      Has the market changed that drastically since last summer?

    • Keregan

      nope

    • In the Bleachers

      no but it’s probably still on the table

    • RUSH RLZ

      No it doesn’t I would rather ride out the first half of the season with Spezz.

  • zippy

    I hate to state the obvious. But BM can ask for whatever he wants. Doesn’t mean the market will bear it.

    GMs know:
    1. He’s a PPG player when he’s healthy
    2. He’s had back issues in the past.

    So they want BM to absorb some risk. If you ASK FOR player, prospect, pick, you better be willing to NEGOTIATE, in effect helping the buyer assume some risk.

    BM doesn’t appear to be. Let’s hope CHI or STL really wants Spezza.

  • zippy

    On a more pleasant note. There are still more suitors. I’m sure Dallas/STL/CHI still want Spezza. BM will make whatever adjustments he sees fit. We will get a fair return for Spezz.

    BM knows what he’s doing.

    • Spoons

      Stock will improve if Stastny signs anywhere other than those teams.

      • Sandy

        That’s what I say. Until Stastny signs somewhere, Spezza goes nowhere.
        Anaheim improved to chase LA. The other teams have to step up or lose out.

      • Frankie Fives

        And even if Stastny signs in St Louis, that just adds Colorado to the mix

  • FistsofNeil25

    Well it’s pretty clear now. No GM wants Spezza enough to give up anything of good value to Ottawa. Murray’s going to have to take what he can get sooner or later. Everyone knows it doesn’t do us any good to bring Spezza back here next season so no one is going to ever meet Murray’s asking price with that in mind.

    I don’t know why Bryan signed a two year extension. He has one of the toughest jobs in the NHL. There’s no way he’s having fun going to work these days.

  • Max2166

    Nick Kypreos just said a deal will be made in the next few days. He thinks Chicago and St. Louis are the most interested.

    • Sandy

      You actually believe Kypreos? He is a make beLeaf.

    • Aaron 2.0

      If that happens, Chicago would be the perfect team to drive up the price. The pick in the draft was never that important to me (not that it really matters what I think). What was more upsetting than not getting a deal done (and a 1st) was to see the price for Neal and Kesler. This is clearly not a sellers market right now. Chicago would be looking to drop salary. So, maybe we get a decent player back simply because they need to make space. If they offer up something good, that could help push STL. I just don’t really see why CHI would be all that interested in Spezza. They are doing fine. Staying the course would seem to make sense for them. But, if they are serious, I could really see CHI helping the situation.

  • Sandy

    I said Spezza wouldn’t be traded until Stastny is settled and I stand by that – after July 1st.

    This was a boring draft. Sad to say it was the last one for TSN for a very long time.
    Next year we get to see those Toronto lovin’ Sportnet guys cry when Ottawa steps up to the podium with a top 5 pick.
    Book that now.

  • Sandy

    If Bryan Murray didn’t open his mouth a couple of weeks ago, Spezza coming back to start the season, would not have been an issue. This is turning into a nightmare.

    • Michenator

      You know this for sure? I think the best offer wasn’t on the table today. Just because the trade wasn’t made doesn’t mean we’re not going to get it done. Also, I posted it earlier but a prospect in next years draft will probably be of more value to us anyways, as this draft was not considered a deep one. I trust Bryan Murray and believe that something will happen in due time.

      I won’t deny that today was disappointing from a fans perspective. All the anticipation, none of the pay off, yet.

      • Sandy

        I’m not sure what the return will be for Spezza. Not very encouraged any more.

        Murray opened his mouth and makes it almost impossible for Spezza to play part of the season in Ottawa.

        • Frankie Fives

          LOL, are you serious? Everyone needs to step away from the panic button

          • Sandy

            So you know different?

          • Frankie Fives

            I know that everyone is panicking before this deal is completed. BM is being patient and doing the right thing. He has told teams to up the ante or Jason won’t be dealt. Why not wait until this is settled before criticizing?

        • sprucesens

          i suppose the harder part to believe is that a team is just as likely to give up a first next year. From all accounts it sounds like next year 1sts are worth more, which means we aren’t getting one, or are getting a worse player back. Now the trade won’t happen until july 1st or later. Whenever stastny signs, and possibly oreilly. Once all other options are exhausted that cost no assets. As fans we want it now so we can be excited and have something to talk about, but as a GM, murray is being patient and waiting for the best return. We have a full off season. No reason to rush it just to be in the media

  • FistsofNeil25

    If the Kesler and Neal trades taught us anything tonight it’s that right now it’s a buyers market. Shitty deal

  • jtf927

    i am a little disappointed that murray did not do anything in the first round. i guess we will have to wait until july 1st. i am starting to wonder what is going on, as no deal for spezza was made, i and we have heard nothing further about ryan, mcarthur, and 9mm.

    • spgottawa

      Nothing can happen until July 1 with Ryan and MacArthur….

      • Sandy

        No, nothing can happen until Stastny is dealt with.

        • iKarly65

          No, that’s wrong. His comment was about re-signing MacArthur/Ryan and not about trading Spezza.

          See? “and we have heard nothing further about ryan, mcarthur, and 9mm”

          Then spgottawa said “Nothing can happen until July 1 with Ryan and MacArthur….”

          ^ That is true.

          • spgottawa

            I believe the Ryan and MacArthur deals get done on or close to July 1. The pessimism by some posters here is not entirely justified. The team has some good young players and the players and most fans know it… Ryan-27, Hoffman-24, Turris-24, Stone-22, Zibby-21! Karlsson-24, Cowan-23, Weircoch-23, Ceci-20! Lehner-22!
            + some good Prospects inc. Lazar-19, Wikstrand-20, Prince-21, Puempel-21. This is why they were comfortable making the deal for Ryan – there just is not room for everyone on the Sens NHL roster a couple years down the road.
            My wish list is a top four defenceman and top 6 winger. If we can pick those pieces up (no doubt giving up one or two of the above in addition to Spezza) then I think the team will be on the right track.

          • iKarly65

            Nobody can be certain of Ryan’s intentions.

            If he doesn’t feel like Ottawa is a place where he can win, he may leave. However he may stay but demand a lot more than he’d be willing to sign elsewhere for.

            How much are the Sens willing to pay him? How much is Ryan willing to re-sign for to stay here?

            Don’t answer that – you’re not justified to answer it. :P

            Speculate all you want, but reality is, anything can happen and there’s no guarantee Ryan stays here.

    • Brutus5247

      first round pick next year is better.

      • iKarly65

        still could have traded him DURING THE FIRST ROUND regardless of a pick.

        You think we’ll see much action between now and July 1?

        Then after July 1, I think the market becomes even smaller. Teams will be looking for cheaper alternatives, and teams looking to get under cap will have players available. Teams will also be scrambling to sign their own players.

        • jimmyjohnson

          The market becomes smaller buy more aggressive. That’s the reason why you wait.

      • aegiszx

        We didn’t have a first round pick in 2010 either, and of course you all know we took Mark Stone then.

        I trust in BM. He’ll pick up some quality pieces today.

  • ProfessorPower

    maybe this puts pressure on Spezza to expand his trade list. Winnipeg maybe?…Evander Kane

    • not YOUR wingman

      GAWD – WHY WOULD HE DO THAT ?

      There are 19 teams that he can be traded to – he’s not being unreasonable – he’s
      honouring his contract.

      • Sandy

        Actually 16. 19 teams to start less Tor & Mtl and now Ana It’s at 16 teams most of which have no interest or no room.

        • not YOUR wingman

          JS is not the villian here.
          It’s not his fault if Tor /Mont /Ana are not on his “no go list” and Ottawa can not get a deal done because they are too greedy
          or too afraid to play against him next year.
          Spezza for Kadri just might be the best deal that there is.

  • Aaron 2.0

    Just caught that the cap was set for around 69 million with the floor at about 51 million (I’m late to the party, I know). For the team to be mid-range in terms of spending (as sometimes claimed by ownership, message is often different, depending on the day) we should be spending roughly 60 million. And, that’s just the midpoint of the cap and floor numbers. That wouldn’t necessarily equate to middle of the pack in spending. Will be interesting to see what the team sets it’s budget at, if I didn’t already miss it. If it’s only a few million from the floor, anyone else worried about signing Ryan?

    • jtf927

      i am worried. it just seems eerily quiet on that front. as well as mcarthur and 9mm.

      • Sandy

        9MM is gone unless Murray matches his offers from other teams. He may be forced to do that.

    • FistsofNeil25

      The best thing this organization can do next season is aim for the cap floor and just hope for a top pick. This team is broken and the spirit amongst the fanbase couldn’t be much lower. If there was ever a time to bottom out and rebuild properly it would be now and given the young talent we’ve already accumulated, it would only take one year.

      • Aaron 2.0

        I don’t know that I feel the same way. We’ve accumulated a lot of depth. And, although I have big hopes for guys like Zibanejad, Ceci, Lazar, and dark-horse picks like Stone and Hoffman, we don’t really have any blue-chip prospects. That’s sort of a loosely defined termed, so by that I mean bona fide 1st line up and coming players. I don’t really consider Karlsson and Turris in this category. They are already pretty well established, albeit there is still room for growth. A few of the prospects certainly have the potential to turn into good first liners, but they may not top out this high. If we’re blowing it up, I’d have to guess we’re also saying goodbye to Ryan and MacArthur. No reason for them to wait out a re-build. At that point, I think you’re looking a lot longer than a year.

      • In the Bleachers

        only if this drive Melnyk into bankruptcy and forces him to sell the team

      • WaitingSince92

        I still think we have too much talent for a/the top pick. I know we’re getting rid of Michalek/Spezza/Hemsky, probably, but we still have MacA, Turris and Ryan, not to mention Karlsson, Lehner and some OK supporting cast members.

        Unfortunately, it seems like we have just enough talent to be a bubble team, but there are, I’d say, at least 5-8 teams worse than us.

        It would be hard to tank with Karlsson.

    • Sandy

      It’s the same as last season 56M. But with the players leaving and no one coming in other than the Spezza trade, maybe, the salaries and cap hit for the team will come in near probably 51M — at the bottom of the pack.

      • Aaron 2.0

        That’s really unacceptable for a team in a Canadian marker, even a small one like Ottawa, IMO.

  • Mitchell

    Spezza has one year left on his contract but probably a good 5-6 years left and then some mediocre years. Teams are getting a number one center. All teams pay a premium at trade deadline, but realistically if they want more for Spezza or the true value. Why not extend him now and then trade him at the deadline. Obviously we didn’t get a first nor anything BM liked, we still have him. It’s a two way street and you have to give to get.

  • sprucesens

    Yeah, we have a 4 sets of players.

    CORE: Zibby, Turris, Karlsson, Ceci, Lehner, Ryan, MacA,
    Hopeful Core: Methot, Cowen, PW, Gryba
    Prospects: Stone, Hoffman, Puempel, Lazar, Pageau
    4th line/Expendable: Greening, Smith, Neil, Condra, Phillips, Boro, Anderson
    Spezza trade pieces

    The core are players we know will be good for us for a long time. Hopeful core are players that we hope turn into reliable core players, but are kind of 50 50 now, both in terms of development, and long term retention on the team. Prospects are the players we expect to start pushing into the 2nd and 3rd line starting this year, and proving they belong there. The 4th line/expendable are players that while serving a role, are likely on their way out, or at their absolute peak now and will only decline, or have little to no chance of making our team past this year. And of course spezza’s trade pieces. We all hope that the 2 or 3 pieces coming back, end up in the first 3 sets, and likely will.

    While its tough to remain optimistic lately, the first 3 sets of players looks like a very promising future for our team. That’s 16 of 20 players. 17 with smith since the team considers him core as well. If we can get 2 more solid players from the spezza trade, we will be darn close at capacity, with no room for other players to step up. Obviously pageau, lazar and puempel are long shots to make the team this year, but the year after, its about time to start the graduation, and reap the rewards of our budget/rebuild. I just hope the organization see’s that the list of 4th line expendables is starting to get too long, and stops offering them contracts, lol.

    • jimmyjohnson

      small disagreement:

      - you can’t have Mac on the core list and Meth off it. Those two are in very similar spots. Imo both belong on the hopefuls list.

      - Stone and Hoffman are clearly graduated to the hopefuls list.

      Also, Ceci should be on the hopefuls list. Why? One year ago, Cowen would have been on the core list.

  • Harv

    Silfverberg, Noessen and Ritchie ( a 230 lb power forward). High price to pay for Bobby Ryan no matter how much we like him. Given that Spezza seems to be drawing little interest and a lot of talk for now, it appears on the evidence that we just got a lot weaker not a lot stronger. Kesler with the Ducks playing behind Getzlaf is going to be fun to watch if he stays healthy. Nashville has improved overnight.

    Hindsight is easy and there is still July 1st but things look a little greyer this morning. Spezza and the Senators just got a blast of cold water in the reality department. A PPG center who plays a one way game with a one year contract is not in high demand no matter his skill level.

    • Sensturion

      Silfverberg didn’t end up being as good as people thought he’d be in Anaheim (injuries aside). Noessen is coming off an injury/surgery that cost him an entire year of hockey. That’s one of the worst things that can happen for a young player (See: Cowen). Ritchie is apparently the type of kid that can’t take the game seriously and can come off as lazy. I think we’re better off with Ryan.

  • Hax

    Stick to your guns Bryan! Trade Spezza in the wake of the Stastny signing and we’ll do fine.

    Go Sens Go

    • RUSH RLZ

      Better yet, sign Stastny and increase the Spezza market haha! Go Sens go!

    • iKarly65

      Quick! St. Louis signs Stasny to a 5×5. Where does Spezza go?

      • Hax

        Chicago, Nashville, Florida, Rangers, Colorado … lots of options. Patience man, it’ll be alright.

        • jimmyjohnson

          Two teams with absolutely no cap room, two teams on his no trade list, and a team still hoping not to lose two all star caliber centers.

          just saying…

          • Hax

            All fair points. But still all teams that could be in the mix one way or another. Plus Dallas, Arizona …

        • iKarly65

          Chicago has little to no room to work with – would require a hefty contract moving out. And those contracts are players that they would not be trading for Spezza.

          Nashville + Florida require a change of heart from Spezza.

          Colorado – maybe.

          Rangers – maybe.

          • Hax

            I forgot Dallas. The point is, there are plenty of teams to drive up the price.

            Nashville got Neal so that might change Spezza’s mind.

            It’s also been reported that he’s open to discussions on teams on the list he submitted in January.

            Oh and Arizona.

      • Sandy

        If it was 5M that Stastny wanted he would have signed in Colorado.
        He wants 6M+

        • iKarly65

          or he doesn’t want to play in Colorado?

  • FistsofNeil25

    If teams weren’t willing to trade to give up a 2014 first rounder, do not expect them to be willing to give up their 2015 first.

    At some point Murray is going to have to settle on a trade or decide to bring him back. Everyone knows the latter is not an option. Bringing Spezza back would be a disaster for him and the team. Both sides just need a clean slate and a new beginning.

    Bryan knows he can’t bring Spezza back. Does he sound okay with the fact that he hasn’t been able to move him? Not at all. He sounds pretty damn deflated. If he was okay with having Spezza on the team next year he wouldn’t sound do upset about it lol

    We’ll get a deal done for him soon but we can’t expect much. We will get less than Anaheim gave up for Kesler.

    • Harv

      There were two groups in the lead up to the draft, those who over valued Spezza and those who under valued him. It would appear the latter group was correct. Getting no call backs is telling. The preference now is to get a good young player out of the draft instead of a retread. Hard to disagree with that when you see some of the performance stats on retreads.

      Murray may not have many options on trading day and will have to take what is offered. It is a buyer’s market.

      Too bad there has been so much made public. Makes it hard to walk back from the brink. But, the fact is that Spezza obviously does not fit in with the direction the team has chosen.

    • Hax

      I for one don’t think Murray would have just accepted any 2014 first. After the top 5/6 players there’s nobody overly remarkable. Sure he would have taken Shattenkirk, Schwartz and STL’s 1st but that wasn’t offered. Though they may have offered Berglund and their 1st which Murray should have declined if they did.

      I think we’ll get more than the scraps the Canucks got – based on the idea that whoever gets Spezza will want him extended.

  • sprucesens

    Anyone know when round 2 takes place?

    • thepez

      10am NHL network

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I hate the body language Murray shows. He never looks confident… The Sens would have been better off with Tim Murray being our guy.

    • spgottawa

      BM is an experienced GM with a good track record. TM -not.
      It looks like they are grooming Dorion to slide into BMs chair when he’s done – like him…

      • iKarly65

        BM is done anyways. He’s a GM with nothing to lose.

        Tim is doing a great job in Buffalo so far.

        • spgottawa

          I have no issues with TM. A little early to say great job though….

        • Sensturion

          What has he done in Buffalo besides trading for picks in a weak draft?

          • iKarly65

            he got value for the players. He’s turning the franchsie around.

        • peetypuck

          Most likely Tim went to Buffalo because he could not stand working for Melnyk anymore. Actually, most GM’s probably would not work for the guy.

  • Conor_smythe

    is it time to fire Bryan Murray yet?

    I know everybody want to blame it all on melnyk… but Murray was the guy behind:

    -trading Bishop instead of Anderson
    - waiving Conacher
    -Bungling negotiations with Alfie
    -Resigning Phillips, even though he didnt want to (was too soft to say “you’re washed up”)
    -Inability to Trade Spezza
    -Inability to afford Hemsky (because he signed Phillips and Greening to STUPID contracts)
    -Inability to sign Michalek (remains to be seen.. but why would we even want Michalek when we could sign Hemsky instead)
    -Our blueline hasn’t changed one bit from last year, even though its obvious that was our weakest area

    These are all General manager fuck ups and have nothing to do with Eugene (except maybe the alfie sitch, if drunk phone call/email stories are to be believed)

    • spgottawa

      Give me a break. Where is the other side of the equation? Draft picks like Karlsson and Ceci. The deal for Turris. Restocking the prospect cupboard and bringing the Calder Cup to Bingo. The contract for Turris. The contract for Karlsson. Getting Bobby Ryan on the team. The trade to get Anderson. Gryba’s deal is very economical. Etc etc. and all on a reasonable budget…
      No GM wins every deal – it’s kind of like face off %, 55% is considered great. Maybe a great GM does a bit more than that. Look at the GMs that have been let go over the last two years and ask if any of them did a better job than BM.
      Hemsky is over priced at 5M or whatever he was looking for. Sometimes it’s hard to recognize a good non-signing. Look at the buyouts going on – Richards, Ribeiro etc. BM has avoided some of those kind of mistakes.

      • RUSH RLZ

        Well said and very true. Given the $$$ at his disposal, Murray has done an outstanding job.

      • Conor_smythe

        LOL: drafting Karlsson – even Murray admits it wasn’t his choice, scouts told hiim who to pick (just like every pick, by every team.. you really think the GM is one who decides who to pick?)

        Ceci, same thing, he asked “who should I pick” and the guys underneath answered him

        Trade for Turris… well considering we got Turris for Rundblad, and Rundlbad for Tarasenko.. we could just call that one a nothing acquisition, since most of us would rather have Tara then Turris

        Getting Bobby Ryan…. yaaaaaa, we clearly overpaid, and who knows if we can even afford to sign him.. so lets not count our eggs too soon

        The trade to get Anderson was a win.. but buy low, sell high… we bought low, but now (just like we do with all our players) we refuse to sell high, instead we will keep players past their prime and watch their numbers plummet… we bought Bishop low.. and then what.. sell him exactly where we got him (even lower, since we actually waived conacher)

        Murray wants to build a family of players.. I want him to build a team of competitors

    • Terry

      Relax, that was the first round of Draft. There is still a lot of time to improve the team. I would rather BM hold on to Spezza than settling. He could have signed Hemsky if there was no internal budget. He could have signed Alfie and got Ryan with no internal budget.
      Conacher has done nothing to stand out in Buffalo.
      Bishop had one good year so far, see how he does next year before judging that, and maybe Tampa didn’t want Anderson?

    • WaitingSince92

      To answer your question, NO.

      -Bishop/Anderson point is arguable. How quickly we forget how Ottawa was a goalie graveyard and Anderson was the first goalie to play exceptionally since Tugnutt…
      -Negotiations were “bungled” because we’re on a budget.
      -I’ll give you resigning Phillips was a mistake, but I still see the other side of the argument (SOMEone has to eat up those minutes, and you could argue our defence would have been even worse without him)
      -Spezza only wants out because we don’t have the cash to build a serious contender, like Melnyk has talked about since he bought the team…
      -It’s not like Phillips/Greening are earning 5 or 6m – any non-budget team would NEVER be hampered by such small contracts. That’s a budget thing and you can’t put it on Murray.
      -Michalek, like you said, remains to be seen, although during the season, I don’t recall a single fan saying they

      want him resigned.
      -Blueline improvements cost MONEY and even mediocre, reliable Dmen will carry a hefty price tag.

      What about getting Anderson in the first place for Elliott? How about trading up to take a small, fleet-footed Swedish defenceman who is now our franchise player? How about the Turris trade and his contract? Nothing short of brilliant. MacArthur pick up was an amazing idea. I also think drafting Lazar, Ceci and Zibanejad will be proven fantastic moves in the long run.

      I think you disassociate how much money (or lack thereof) hampers your every move as a GM. It’s like telling someone to go buy a sharp looking suit, then giving them $25 budget and blaming them when they look like shit.

    • jimmyjohnson

      You’re one of the most ridiculous posters on here.

      Let’s go through the amateur hour list you provide here and then add a few more.

      - He acquired Bishop in the first place for next to nothing. Then when it was obvious that Lehner was the long term solution in goal, they traded Bishop and stuck with the veteran who was outperforming him in the short term.
      - The Alfie negotiation was mostly Alfie deciding not to negotiate. Not much he can do about that.
      - You even mention the reason for the Phillips signing right above this point. He can’t let all legacy players go unceremoniously. It’s optics.
      - Spezza trade: It’s not even day two of the draft yet LOL. You people act like the draft was deadline day. Anyone in agreement with that point should start to understand how little they know about the business of hockey.
      - Hemsky hasn’t walked yet (he probably will) but when some team signs him to a 22 million dollar contract over four years, we should be happy that Murray didn’t bite. If Murray wanted to sign Hemsky for more, he could. You don’t even know our current cap situation….that’s how little you know.
      - Who would want to sign Michalek??? I won’t be happy if they do. I don’t understand why they would want to.
      - Last year was two months ago… The off-season has barely even begun. And even if it doesn’t change for next year, that’s fine. The only thing he has to trade are underdeveloped youth. It’s too unclear what they are becoming to trade them confidently.

      You are an overly emotional fan. You demonstrate this is almost every post. Step back and take an honest assessment and you’ll see that the team is in fine order. It won’t likely be a great season ahead, but soon after they should be competitive every year, given people like you lots to cheer for.

      (Things Murray has done right:
      - Turris trade
      - Methot Trade
      - MacArthur signing
      - NOT trading Spezza too soon.
      - Drafting Karlsson, Zibanejad, Lehner, Stone, and many other quality picks
      - Not giving up on Cowen, Wiercioch, Greening too soon

      There are arguments to be made about things like the Ryan trade, Anderson trade, Meszaros trade, and others that can be argued for or against.

      • CUP 2014-15

        Well said. BM Can’t invent an offer from another team. Foe example, if he had turned down a better offer for Bishop, I would get fans being upset at BM but the Fans that should be upset are the Oiler fans as their management would not offer more then TB for what was a potential starter. You can only take the best offer on the table or walk away.

  • Sandy

    Retweeted by Wayne Scanlan

    Jeremy Rutherford @jprutherford · 15h

    Just connecting dots, the price for Spezza is too high in the #stlblues eyes and they believe they have at least a fighting chance w/Stastny

  • Sensturion

    Amazing. Murray is trying to make the best deal he can so he doesn’t get fleeced like the Healtey trade. He doesn’t make a trade because other teams are offering scraps. Good on him to say no and not make a dumb move.

    ENOUGH OF THE MURRAY BASHING. Stop concentrating on the bad moves and ignoring the good ones (that FAR outweigh the bad ones). One bad year and everyone is up in arms about everything. Excluding Turris, MacArthur and Ryan and Karlsson (defense aside), EVERYONE on the team had a horrible year. How is that Murray’s fault? Last year the team played amazing. Everything clicked and the team appeared to be going places. Alfredsson left, yes, but besides that the team looked relatively the same on paper except we got our best players back from injury. Murray did what any good GM would do and tinkered instead of bringing massive changes.

    Murray did his job. Brought in players that made a difference (Mac, Ryan). The bad year is on the players who didn’t play the game they were supposed to play.

    • sprucesens

      yup, our 3 best players were all brought in by murray over the past 3 years, and drafting karlsson gives him a huge buffer for errors as well

  • Sandy

    Lee Versage @LeeVersage · 1h

    Does this involve spezza today? David Poile said Preds turn focus to acquiring a top-line C. He wants it sooner rather than later.”#NHLDraft

    • sprucesens

      let’s hope so!!

      • sprucesens

        Josi and the 1st next year?

        • FistsofNeil25

          If yesterday taught is anything it’s to lower our expectations. I expect something like Wilson+Ellis/Del Zotto and a mid range pick.

          I think Nashville became a more desirable destination for Spezza last night and he may be willing to waive his NTC to go there now. A top line of Neal-Spezza-Smith, a top four of Weber, Josi, Jones and Ekholm, and with Rinne in net could make the Preds a serious threat in the west.

          • jimmyjohnson

            If yesterday taught us anything it’s that Murray is comfortable forcing teams to look to free agency by keeping the price at an acceptable level.

            We should be happy about that.

    • jimmyjohnson

      He also has like 5 comments about wanting to do it in free agency.

      These teams looking at Spezza are all focused on July 1. There won’t be an offer worth considering for a while yet.

      • Hax

        Yup. Other dominoes have to fall. Stastny most of all.

        • jimmyjohnson

          The importance of this fact is not so small.
          Some day we’ll all have a ball.

  • Mr Hockey

    Maybe the Sens take Anton Karlsson?? I know pretty much nothing about any of the later prospects.

    • jimmyjohnson

      I’m guessing you’ll be saying the same thing 10 years from now (about the names in this draft).
      lol

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Darn, Lemieux chosen… That would have been a good consolidation prize…

  • Dirk-Diggler

    We’re picking next!!!

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Who the hell is Andreus Englund????

    • FistsofNeil25

      Man this kid is going to be the next Nick Lidstrom.

    • jimmyjohnson

      He’s Swedish. It’s okay.

  • Sandy

    Bruce GarriochVerified account‏@SunGarrioch 1m

    The Senators select Swede D Andreas Englund from Djurgarden. #Sens

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectdetail.htm?dpid=86163

  • CUP 2014-15

    http://www.eliteprospects.com/player.php?player=115148
    Well starting with another young D

  • Sensturion

    Apparently Ottawa is lacking in size on defence…
    Methot 6’3
    Gryba 6’4
    Cowen 6’5
    Boro 6’2
    Weircioch 6’5
    Ceci 6’3
    Philips 6’3

    Karlsson 6’0

  • Sandy

    Bruce Garrioch ‏@SunGarrioch 1m

    Englund. pic.twitter.com/ARJ8rjjCSv

    • iKarly65

      Englund:

  • aegiszx

    We only have 4 picks today, so hopefully 1 of these 4 guys will pan out…

    • Sensturion

      Not sure they will. None of the picks in the first round look like they’ll turn out to be a star.

  • aegiszx

    Also from Djurgarden:
    Zibby, Claesson, and Lindberg. They seem to have a good program over there?

  • aegiszx

    “We feel he’s a top 4 guy and will push for the team in 2-3 years”
    Starting next year in Sweden, and will probably come over to Bingo year after.
    - From Dorion’s audio clip

  • Sandy

    http://t.co/3Sk3qg8ZeP
    Full Dorion clip on Englund

  • Sandy

    Bruce Garrioch @SunGarrioch · 36s

    Senators select D Miles Gendron from Rivers Academy. He plays for former Senators winger Shawn McEachern, who is the head coach. #Sens

    • jimmyjohnson

      US high school kid
      BCHL next year
      UConn after that

      Point producer, tall-ish and lanky, D-man

      He’s a project pick, at least 3 years from playing in Bingo, probably closer to 5 years.

  • Terry

    I think they will all be project picks from now on.

  • Sandy

    Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie · 26m

    TOR sends Gunnarson to STL in exchange for Polak. #TSN

  • esk