Day Two of the NHL Entry Draft

SensChirp June 28, 2014 575
Day Two of the NHL Entry Draft

(UPDATE 1:20 PM)- After swinging a pick for pick deal with the Winnipeg Jets, the Sens made consecutive picks at 189 and 190. With the 189th they grabbed Kelly Summers from the Carleton Place Canadians and at 190 they took Francis Perron from Rouyn-Noranda.

(UPDATE 11:48 AM)- With their 100th overall selection, the Senators went with centre Shane Eiserman. Eiserman spent last season with Dubuque of the USHL. 

(UPDATE 11:08 AM)- With the 70th overall selection, the Senators take high school defenceman Miles Gendron.

(UPDATE 10:22 AM)-  At 40th overall, the Ottawa Senators have selected defenceman Andreas Englund from Djurgarden.  In talking about the selection both Bob McKenzie and Craig Button talked about Englund as a project, suggesting that he is a couple years away.  Englund is a 6’3 defensive defenceman.

Things did not go  the way the Ottawa Senators thought they would in Round 1.  No team made an offer that Bryan Murray felt was good enough and as a result, Jason Spezza is still a member of the Ottawa Senators.  July 1 becomes the next pressure point for teams looking to add a top line centre but in the meantime, the Sens shift their focus to Day 2 of the Entry Draft.

Ottawa will make their first selection at 40th overall.  Will update this post with rumours and draft pick information as they become available.

You can follow along with the Entry Draft selections here.

  • PraiseAlfie11

    I’ll start by saying he is suddenly the best shutdown defenseman not playing in the NHL and we can trade Cowen now.

    He’ll be captain in 2 years.

    • The Apostle

      have the sens ever drafted a Swedish blueliner?

      • esk

        no i think this is the first time..

      • EK65

        Claesson (sp?)

  • Sensturion

    Is the feed on the NHL site cutting out for anyone else?

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    Well I guess Tuesday is the new most likely day for something to go down.

    • Sandy

      … or not.
      On Tuesday I’m more concerned with them signing Ryan rather than trading Spezza.

      • sprucesens

        they have the year to sign ryan. i imagine it’ll happen though. There is a reason they’ll be busy on the 1st.

  • http://www.Merchaholic.ca Merchaholic

    Well… I was hoping for a way better round 1 with our Spezza chip. I guess this isn’t going to end well for us if this goes to the deadline since teams will low ball us since they all know Spezza “Has” to go or the guy walks #11 style.

    • Sensturion

      Teams don’t lowball for a playoff rental, usually.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Spezza won’t be back on a Sens uniform next season. Neither side wants that to happen.

      • laughing

        It’s not ideal, but the world isn’t going to go up in flames either if a deal can’t be reached before the start of the season.

      • Sensnation

        Murray wants that. He doesn’t want to trade Spezza.

  • Sensturion

    Bobby Mac seems really off his game. He’s very shaky sounding.

    • CUP 2014-15

      His contract ends today and he will no longer be the host for NHL draft. Has to be an emotional day for him.

      • Sensturion

        That would explain it.

  • Cicero

    Oh thank goodness — a leftside defenceman! We were dangerously near having only a dozen in the system.

  • Max2166

    Good pick by Ottawa. Now can Bryan Murray trade Jason Spezza.

  • Mr Hockey

    Cmon Karlsson!

  • Sensturion

    I feel like, compared to past drafts, this one has been kind of a huge let down. No trades, no nothing. BORING.

  • esk
    • Sensturion

      Ottawa is also looking for a #1 center, oh wait…

      • zippy

        Too funny. Love the quote in the article: “Hmmm. Does any name immediately spring to mind?”

        I have no idea.

        I can’t imagine a top center. Oh you mean a PPG guy?

        Who wants to play with character guys that want to win?

        Is Mike Fisher one of those who competes? Oh I don’t think of Mike Fisher when I think of guys that compete.

        Nooooooo.

        Ding ding ding ding ding

  • Sensturion

    Holy defensemen, Batman!

  • CUP 2014-15

    Another left side Dman,

  • Sensturion

    I’d love to know who Button drafted when he was the GM in Calgary. I feel like this guy is always talking out of his ass.

    • Hax

      That seems like something you could google.

  • Cicero

    I just heard that if you turn in 5 LHDs to Best Buy before July 1, you get a free 500gb SSD.

  • laughing

    What a difference a couple of hours makes!
    Leading up to the draft, it seemed like the vast majority of people were content with being patient and waiting for the best deal possible for Spezza. But now, it seems like there’s panicking going on because we still haven’t traded him — oddly enough, I’m sure the same people would be upset if the Sens had settled for one of those mediocre offers that were rumoured by the media though.

    TL; DR
    Everyone take a deep breath. There’s still lots of time to get a deal done.

  • CUP 2014-15

    http://savebyrichter.com/rangers-2014-draft-targets-miles-gendron/ I love that our team goes off the page with mid round picks.

  • esk

    ppl on twitter freaking out…acting like day 1 of the draft was some sort of deadline. Stay patient Murray stay patient…

  • Hax

    So do we jump to the conclusion that Murray’s planning to trade away some of our young D since we drafted two more?

    LOL – kidding folks.

  • Deadly

    Leafs St. Louis trade??

    • CUP 2014-15

      Laughs were short on the right side so, Gunnerson and 94th pick for Roman Polak. Not a lot of R side D out there.

      • jimmyjohnson

        We’re not going to enjoy playing against Polak 5 times per season.

    • jimmyjohnson

      Solid trade for both teams.

  • Cicero

    Someone please explain to me the thinking behind two LHDs with two picks. Best players available, according to the Sens draft rankings, at the time?

    • Mr Hockey

      I think theyre both several years away from playing with the big team so I dont think it really matters what position they are.

    • Hax

      Pretty much, yes. These guys are years away from the NHL so there’s little point in picking by position. Some would argue we could have traded down in the second round and still gotten Englund but imagine the panic had we traded down? LOL

    • Deadly

      High school choice might be awhile in the development curve.

    • jimmyjohnson

      The most untouchable players on this D-corp are Karlsson and Ceci. They both play on the right side.

      The left side D-men are mostly replaceable players. No matter how much you like Methot or think Cowen can be a good player, the outward appearance is that those wo spots on the future D-corp are very much open.

      Also Gendron is years and years away from playing… If he was their BPA, I’m glad they took him.

  • jimmyjohnson

    Miles Gendron

    US high school kid
    BCHL next year
    UConn after that

    Point producer, tall-ish and lanky, D-man

    He’s a project pick, at least 3 years from playing in Bingo, probably closer to 5 years.

  • Mat

    Ugh, rough night for Sens fans last night. Like going to the prom solo and not getting one look or dance all night.. But Murray needs to remain patient. If he pulls the trigger on a shit deal, we will all be waaaay angrier than having to wait an extra day or two or three. Mathematically speaking, there are still at least 3-4 teams requiring a legit top line C. Stastny can only go to one team.

  • Sensturion

    What’s with all these High Schoolers… That like Nickleback. WHAT ARE YOU DOING MURRAY!?

    • Sensnation

      It’s a weaker draft, makes sense to gamble on people who haven’t fully developed yet as their upside may be higher. Remember Stone.

  • Sandy
  • Sandy

    Saw this on another site:

    Dorion said they were gonna trade for a 1st rounder to get Englund, one of the highest character guy he’s seen in 20 years of scouting.

    • Sensturion

      That would’ve been a wasted pick… Mind you, the team rarely fails with off the board picks.

  • thepez

    Dorion is very excited and talking very highly of Andreus Englund

  • sprucesens

    still hoping to see us pick kulda!!

    • Mat

      No picks in 5th or 6th round..

      • sprucesens

        sell our bottom 6′rs for a pick!! lol

      • sprucesens

        our 4th is still available!

  • Mr Hockey

    Don’t know how many people are listening to the radio but man is Pierre Dorion just thrilled with the Sens picks. He makes it sound like we had two picks in the top 5. I don’t know anything about the guys we picked but Dorions interview certainly gives me some hope.

    • esk
    • aegiszx

      Listening to it as well… Certainly sounds thrilled about Englund. Believes he’s a first rounder. One of the only guys to score top marks on the interviews.

      After hearing his interviews, feeling more confident about this pick.

    • esk

      He just said that they took a player they were going to draft in the 1st round @ 40..so it worked out anyways and might of been a good thing they didnt get that 1st round in a spezza deal

      • sprucesens

        yeah, the last 10 picks could have gone in the 2nd round, and any of the 2nd rounders could have gone in the 1st

      • spgottawa

        He sounded genuinely excited about Englund. That is great news…

  • Cicero
  • Mr Hockey

    Miles Gendron, a high school player drafted in the 3rd round.. Pierre Dorion first saw him play when he stayed an extra day at tournament to watch him..right before christmas which pissed off his wife.

    The next time Dorion watched him play he drove through a snow storm to see him…

    Give this guy a medal.

  • Dirtysweetness

    Anything new on the Spezza front? I’m afraid to ask…

    • laughing

      Nope.

    • esk

      July 1st..unless someone steps which is highly unlikely…gotta wait for stastnys decision

      • jimmyjohnson

        I wouldn’t expect a deal ON July 1st though

        • Hax

          It is looking like it could drag on a bit. Though I’ll stand by my prediction of a July 1st trade.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I would definitely take that bet

    • spgottawa

      Good news is that July 1 comes up fast. Lots will be decided by Tuesday. I’m guessing teams will know if they are in or out of the Stasny sweepstakes fairly quickly. Spezza deal could be Monday or Tuesday if not sooner. If a team like St Louis figures out they are not getting Stasny then the deal could still happen quickly. With no 1st or 2nd pick from 2014 available and picks from 2015 less likely to be traded this increases the chance that the Sens will get a decent top 4 D or top 6 forward in a Spezza package – personally I prefer better pieces that can play right away then a longer term pick…

    • Sandy

      Not until July 1st or later.

  • Conor_smythe

    Really liking these draft picks.. Murray and Co doing a great job!

  • Terry

    It’s good to hear that Dorion is very high on their choices thus far.

  • Sandy

    Bob McKenzie @TSNBobMcKenzie · 5m

    MTL D Josh Gorges’ name is out there in trade talk. TOR made a pitch for Gorges but no CDN team is on list of 15 teams he can be dealt to.

    Gee doesn’t that sound familiar.

    • Sensturion

      Gorges is actually decent. Why would Montreal get rid of him?

      • Deadly

        Making room for Tinordi maybe.

      • Sandy

        A lot of $$$ headed for Subban?

  • Sandy

    Has anyone heard when the Development Camp starts?
    I know the scrimmage is July 4th but that’s all I’ve heard so far.

  • Sandy
  • Sandy

    Minnesota ended up with the Sens 6th round pick but it appears they didn’t select because it’s blank.

    • jimmyjohnson

      They didn’t know how to spell the kids name

      • peetypuck

        He has no name. He’s the kid formerly known as…..#*%$@*

  • HarvardYaleAndPrincetonMan

    Sooooo – Ottawa drafted a Swede as soon as they could
    The UNIVERSE just got a little more stable

  • Sandy

    If Edgars Kulda (teammate of Lazar) is still available in the 7th round, would Ottawa take him?
    I can’t believe he wasn’t selected last draft and so far into the 6th round he’s not selected yet.
    He looked pretty good to me so what’s wrong with him?

    • sprucesens

      good to hear he’s still available. if they select him, i’ll consider this a win in the draft. seemed to get along well with lazar

  • Terry

    I agree, if I was Ottawa I would be trying to trade in to grab Kulda, from what I saw of the young man anyways.

  • aegiszx

    I may be the odd man out here, but I really think the East is wide open, with a few tweaks here and there, and we’re right up top and have a chance every night… Boston is the only real stable powerhouse IMO, Caps have fallen far, Pitts is retooling, Rangers are going to shake things up… whereas the West, you’ve got to deal with Chicago AND LA, and then teams like Anaheim, San Jose, and St Louis. The West “guard” hasnt really changed much with the exception of Vancouver falling out completely and the Wings moving East.

    I cant see the Cup coming back East any time soon.

    • Rafi Bomb

      The West is getting bigger and tougher, Eastern Conference teams will need to follow suit if they want to compete.

  • Sensnation

    Are there any links to day 2 interviews with Dorion or Murray?

  • Sensturion

    When did Ottawa get a pick from Winnipeg?

    • Sandy

      Ken Warren @Citizenkwarren · 1m

      Senators will now pick 189th and 190th….they gave Wpg their sixth round pick in 2015 draft

      • Sensturion

        Weird. Maybe to grab Kulda?

        • Sandy

          So they now only have 5 picks in the 2015 draft.

          • Hax

            Until the Spezza trade.

      • jimmyjohnson

        They like doing this lol

      • Deadly

        Must be someone still on their list that they think is worth the trade.

        • jimmyjohnson

          they did this in 2011 (iirc) too

  • Hax

    Sens trade! Sens TRADE!

  • Sandy

    Sens picked up a local kid, Kelly Summers a defenseman and Francis Perron from the QMJHL LW

  • Sandy

    Edgars Kulda goes to Arizona.

    • sprucesens

      did he? dammit

      • Deadly

        Was available if we wanted him so I am guessing he did not interview well or something.

        • jimmyjohnson

          do they interview these kids? I don’t think they do, not the ones going this late… I could be wrong.

  • Terry

    TSN is so far behind, whats going on??!?

  • jimmyjohnson

    This Francis Perron kid’s numbers are amazing. How did they get him in the 7th round?

    • Sensturion

      QMJHL numbers are always bloated because it’s a more offensive league.

      EDIT – Wait. What numbers are you looking at? He isn’t even a PPG player…

      • jimmyjohnson

        he was taken in the 7th round.

        His numbers are great.

        And the Q was the lowest scoring league in the CHL this year.

  • Sandy

    Read on NHL.com that Chicago traded Bollig to the Flames for a pick.
    Lots of truculence on the Flames now. I guess they win by taking out their opponent’s players?

    • Rafi Bomb

      There is an arms race in the West to get bigger and tougher. The Kings are already big and tough, the Ducks just got bigger and tougher by adding Kesler and Ritchie without having to lose Maroon, DSP, Etem or Noesen. The Canucks have former Bruins assistant GM Jim Benning running their organization and he looks like he is building a very similar team to the Bruins. They just acquired Dorsett and drafted Virtanen. The Flames are run by Burke and Treliving who are both huge advocates of toughness. They were already a tough team with McGrattan, Westgarth, Bouma, Giordano and Glencross and with Hartley coaching an abrasive style. Then they added Bryce Van Brabandt, David Wolff, traded for Brandon Bollig and drafted Bennett, Hunter Smith and Austin Carroll. Then the sharks are still a big tough team and they kept Brown and Torres.

      Overall the Senators will need to do something to improve the toughness of the roster this offseason to compete with those organizations. Even moving forward, we are not well set to compete with a team like Anaheim who should have a big and physical roster for years to come. In the end this should work out well for the Sens as they always seem to perform better when they have a tougher roster, it will be interesting to see what kind of moves they make to improve that aspect of the team.

  • Terry

    Ottawa had a chance at Kulda and then passed on him?
    I admit I haven’t watched the kid much……but from what I saw.

  • Sensturion

    Chirp, I don’t know if it’s on my end or if Disqus is not working properly but my comment section isn’t reloading/refreshing properly. It’ll sometimes say there’s a new comment and other times won’t. I need to manually refresh to get the comments to show up.

    • sprucesens

      mine’s been similar too. new comments are ok, but not great. But the replies are poor

    • Hax

      I’ve seen the same thing for a few days. Occasionally I’m logged out somehow as well.

    • Terry

      I am having the same issue.

  • Sandy

    Draft has ended.

  • Sensturion

    Eiserman kind of looks and sounds like Neil.

  • jimmyjohnson

    Now just a few more days and we should have a Spezza trade to analyze!

  • esk

    Ken Warren ‏@Citizenkwarren
    Bryan Murray says he has a Spezza deal with Nashville. But couldn’t get Spezza to go

    • Sensturion

      FAAAAAAAACK

      • esk

        like wtf

      • peetypuck

        Hey, he hates country & western music.

    • sprucesens

      twist his damn ARM

    • Magnus Nor

      Seriously..?

    • sprucesens

      well now spezz is gonna get labelled similar to heatley. this should be fun. Hope someone else gives up a great return so it doesn’t turn into the same thing. Really thought he wouldn’t worry about going to nashville

    • EK65

      Yeah, I wouldn’t want to play with James Neal, Shea Weber, Seth Jones, Del Zoto, Ellis, Rinne either…………

      • SensFanInMTL

        For real eh?

    • Sandy

      So was the deal just now or was it before they got Neal?

      • Sensturion

        They would’ve needed someone to feed Neal.

    • Sandy

      Why would Murray make that public?

      • esk

        put pressure on spezza

      • Sensturion

        Because he’s taking a lot of heat for not having traded Spezza. This way he can deflect a little bit of the blame.

      • EK65

        Shifting blame. If I’m Spezza/agent I’m not happy about this at all. This is going to get even more messy

        • Sandy

          That’s my feelings as well. At some point Spezza is going to speak and get out his real feelings for the Sens.
          This is going to get very ugly and further damage an already bad reputation of the team.
          So much for what he said about Heatley doing the right thing for the team and just leave.

          • sprucesens

            i hope its just pressuring spezza to accept the deal, and that it works, and they shake hands and walk away. But its probably either gonna get ugly, or we’ll be taking a worse offer. Damn it spezza, i might have won the wiser’s pack!

      • esk

        murray prolly already talked to spezza before making this public…easier to spezza to defend himself then murray continue to take the heat.

    • Terry

      Brutal…..

    • aegiszx

      Spezza’s been with the org for a long time now and he’s done more than enough and taken more than enough heat… He can choose where he wants to play. This is what the NTC is for.

  • SensFanInMTL

    Just woke up.
    Guess Jay hasn’t been traded yet. I don’t expect him to go anytime before Canada Day. Which is unfortunate to say the least. And extremely boring.

  • esk

    Told the Sens had two deals in place with teams who were on Jason Spezza’s no-trade list. Bryan Murray confirmed Nashville was one of them.

    @AJ Jakubec

    • sprucesens

      F’n NTC. SHOULD BE NULL AND VOID

    • Sensturion

      Again. FAAAAAAAACK

      • esk

        who is the other team..florida?

  • esk

    Poile confirms he’s spoken w/ OTT about Jason Spezza. Also said “no” when asks if he’s hopeful he’ll change his mind due to the Neal trade.@Cellblock303

    • SensFanInMTL

      You mean there’s still enough in Nashville to give us what’s ours for Spezza?

      • esk

        no i think he meant like if neal trade changes spezzas mind

  • esk

    @AJonSports: Source told me this could drag into training camp unless Spezza expands his list.

    • sprucesens

      hopefully he expands the list then.

      • sprucesens

        puts good pressure on spezza. He wants to hold out for st. louis. Hopefully they land stastny, and spezza accepts that he isn’t going there

    • Sandy

      Well after this comes out no way he can now play for the Sens.
      I think he is just hoping that St Louis steps up, but they are not going to do that. They will get Stastny and there will be no room for him in St Louis when he hits UFA.
      He can go to Nashville for 1 f’in year and leave to wherever he wants to go. What the hell is wrong with that.

      • sprucesens

        yeah, i really hate NTC’s. They just make player’s enemies for no reason. It just tarnishes their imagine. I hope fisher can convince spezz. Maybe weber chats with him

  • sprucesens

    “Not convinced this could still happen. Nashville trying to convince Spezza…Mike Fisher” from eklund

    come on fisher, work your magic

    • Sensturion

      If this deal involved draft picks, the point is moot.

      • sprucesens

        next year’s picks are better. Also, it might mean 2 really good players coming back, instead of picks

    • Sandy

      Once he said no — there is no way he can now change his mind.
      I hope St Louis does get Stastny now as there will be no room for him there.
      You hear Jason York say all the time that Nashville was his favourite place to play.
      I guess Spezza doesn’t want to be ‘the guy’ there, but he won’t be.

  • sprucesens

    yikes, multiple sources all over the internet on the nashville thing fast

    • Sensturion

      Spezza is going to take a shit kicking with this.

      • Sandy

        He won’t be happy this was let out. But once the media gets ahold of it didn’t matter that Murray said anything. This was going to get out.

  • Sandy

    So I guess he hates Nashville worse than he hates Ottawa? Or is he just hoping a contender steps up.

    • Sensturion

      Doesn’t want to play for a budget team. Unfortunately for him though, the teams he wants to play for either A. Have no room for him or B. Aren’t willing to give up anything for him. Sorry Spezza. Looks like you might be in Ottawa this year after all.

    • KJ

      Woh. Who ever said Speeza hates Ottawa? Jason knows BM is not letting him go unless BM satisfied with the return. They apparently still have good relationship. Jason is married with kids. I imagine his Limited NTC is also influenced by his wife. No idea why they wouldn’t like Nashville though.

  • esk

    good on murray learning from that heatley trade. I rather have the best deal then just deal him for scraps..even if it means playing during the season.

  • Max2166

    So Spezza nixes the deal to Nashville. Does he only want to play for the Blues? Come on Jason, I thought you were not a douche like Heatley.

    • Magnus Nor

      Starting to dislike Spezza for the first time..

      • Max2166

        I’m getting frustrated with Spezza.

    • HarvardYaleAndPrincetonMan

      JS wants to play in Saint Louis
      He and Hitchcock are good buddies.

      • Max2166

        So Bryan Murray should accept what Doug Armstrong is offering and move on

  • aegiszx

    I hope any deal from Nashville involved Viktor Stalberg… He would line up very nice alongside ZIbby.

    No to MDZ.

  • sprucesens

    hopefully murray says, these are the 2 offers on the table that we’re willing to accept. The rest we are not willing to take. So your choices are accept there for 1 year, or return here, and go somewhere at the deadline. Hopefully fisher gives him a call and says its a great place to play. If not this is going to turn into another heatley situation for no reason. I can’t see why the agent said to come back to them if they receive a deal they like and they’ll strongly consider waiving. You would think nashville is more desireable than the canadian teams….

    • Aaron 2.0

      Spent most of the day with the family, so missed all this stuff going down with Nashville. Disappointed to hear that there was a good deal turned down by Spezza. But, now Nashville knows he doesn’t really want to be there. With only one year left on Spezza’s contract, you have to think this is dead in the water. Too risky on the part of Nashville. Spezza would likely walk in a year.

      • sprucesens

        Yes, this is probably the most important part. They can’t bank on convincing him to like nashville over the year. They’d still get good assets at the deadline, so it wouldn’t be the worst, but certainly wouldn’t end up being a long term solution

  • GS86

    so del zotto might be traded, by nashville

    could it have been

    spezza, greening, and a dman

    for

    hornqivst, spalding del zotto and 1st

    • Sensturion

      Hornqvist plays for Pitts, now.

      • jimmyjohnson

        so does Spaling lol

    • Sensnation

      Del Zotto just bombed in New York and the team that traded for him is already looking to move him along while he still has value. He was intriguing as a prospect, but not worth it until he gets his sht together.

  • Terry

    Hopefully, this is just a blip and something gets solved on July 1st.

    • Sandy

      This is going to get real ugly.

  • esk

    “I’m not going to pitch somebody if they don’t want to play for us.” – David Poile on if he will try to convince Spezza to change his mind ‏@ArponBasu

    • jimmyjohnson

      *facepalm*

    • KJ

      Yeah. Poile’s remarks are not flattering towards Jason. Oh well. Unless Fish can convince Spezza to change his mind, this one is nixed for good as Poile won’t pitch him. But to be fair, BM has to look at everything in OTT’s best interest. For Spezza he is looking out for his. Somewhere there will be middle ground.

      People are throwing opinion around on twitter like there was free beer for everyone. This is the most damaging thing because people’s feelings will get hurt and that is a slippery slope as it’s not just business anymore.

  • Andrews theory

    I mentioned this a week ago based on a comment from someone close to the spezza camp

    He and his agent had already decided to reject the first two offers from teams on his no trade list

    1 more to go then we’ll get down to the nitty gritty

    • jimmyjohnson

      What if the 3rd offer comes from Edmonton?!!

    • sprucesens

      yeah, first 2 offers doesn’t make sense. If that were the case, murray would ask about 2 then, ask about a real one. easy to say a team pulled back their offer. This makes no sense. Probably just has a few teams on the list he’d consider. Very strange that nashville was one

  • Andrews theory

    I can understand the ntc when u take. Home town discount but c’mon…

    • jimmyjohnson

      It was never much of a discount

  • esk
    • SensFanInMTL

      LMAO. He’s frustrated? What about us? We all need to see this finalized. I’m going to the park to play roller hockey on me own. See ya.

  • Andrews theory

    How crazy is it that we got a first rounder for fisher but we couldn’t get one for spezza

    • Sandy

      All we got for Fisher was a 1st round pick at the deadline.

    • sprucesens

      yeah, we want top players AND a 1st

    • Jakester

      Heart!

  • esk

    @jprutherford Back to Spezza … with Anaheim now out of the mix, and Nashville being nixed, the price would seemingly be shrinking. #stlblues

    • Sandy

      St Louis is hoping that happens.

    • jimmyjohnson

      who cares… the price will stay high well into June.

    • Pugnacious Serf

      Not necessarily, this could force Nashville to offer an overpayment to Stasny if they can’t get a guy via a trade. The last couple teams left without that bona fide #2 guy will have to deliver a fair deal to Ottawa. But St. Louis isn’t going to give away a young offensive player if they can get that #2 guy as a UFA. So its a waiting game, Spezza’s value/price hasn’t and isn’t going down.

    • Sensnation

      There’s still Dallas, St Louis and possibly Chicago.

  • Sandy

    In Spezza’s own words:

    ‘If he (Heatley) doesn’t want to be here, he has to let us make a move’ – Jason Spezza (July 2, 2009)

    • sprucesens

      can you tweet that to him. we’ll be grateful

      • Sandy

        I’m not on twitter and I don’t know if Spezza is either.

    • Sensnation

      Spezza never said he doesn’t want to be here. Ottawa is better than Nashville for Jason Spezza.

    • Jakester

      Turkey from Toronto!

  • Rafi Bomb

    The fact that Murray hasn’t made a trade and has publicly stated that the offers aren’t sufficient gives me the indication that the teams on Spezza’s no trade list are willing to offer something substantial. If he has had conversations with a team like Winnipeg with Kane as being involved in a potential return for Spezza then it would make sense why he would so confidently reject these other offers.

    My guess of what likely will happen is that Spezza will be forced to expand the list of teams he is willing to go to or risk having to start the season in Ottawa. If by chance he starts the season in Ottawa, then he will likely be stripped of his captaincy and there is a good chance that he gets heavily booed by the fans for any mistakes he makes. As bad as it would be for Ottawa to have him here come training camp, I would think that it is just as bad of a situation for Spezza. Knowing this, I think he would rather risk playing for a team that is less than preferable then to come back to Ottawa.

    • Max2166

      Jason Spezza and Rick Curran seem to not want to expand the list.

      • Sandy

        Then why did they give the okay to let Murray discuss trades with teams on his no-go list?
        They should have told Murray, from the beginning not to do that.
        Then none of this would have happened.
        I’m sure his agent is telling him to stand pat – the Sens will trade him to where he wants to go.

        • Rafi Bomb

          It seems like a game of chicken at this point. Neither Spezza nore the Sens want him there at training camp. It will be a disaster if it reaches that point so the first one to flinch loses. Either Murray caves in and takes a shitty return or Spezza caves in and goes to a team that is on his no trade list.

        • Max2166

          I agree. Ridiculous. Spezza and Curran are going to have to expand the list.

      • Rafi Bomb

        Clearly that would be there preference. However the fact that he only has one year left on his contract would open up the possibility of him begin flexible because he could either leave the team he gets traded to next off season or try and get traded at the deadline ideally to a team that he wants to play for.

  • Magnus Nor

    This feels freaking great! First stayed up to 05.00 in the night (sweden) watching first round draft and absolutely nothing happends, boring as f*ck.. And now he refuse to go to Nashville when we have a good offer?? Not so fun anymore.. But still hoping for a happy ending… :P

    • peetypuck

      Now that’s dedication, staying up ’till 5:00 am.

  • jimmyjohnson

    Reading between the lines of what Poile said, this deal can still happen. Once UFA day arrives and players start getting assigned, teams with interest will start making a real pitch. If it goes too long, Spezza might be given a choice between Ottawa and Nashville. I don’t know about you guys, but for next season, right now I would take Nashville (even just for a change of scenery).

    This quote tells me that this deal isn’t dead:“Doesn’t this work both ways?” Poile asked. “Someone can actually call me if they want to play for us.”

    • Sensnation

      Agree with you about the deal not being dead. I think Spezza would prefer Ottawa.

      • FistsofNeil25

        We better hope Bobby signs an extension with us. If we have to trade him then that James Neal move is a pretty good indication that we won’t like the return.

        • Sensnation

          For sure. Everyone’s concentrating on the Spezza trade situation but Murray has a really busy offseason with 3-4 guys to try and extend, as well as our UFAs he’s still working with.

        • jimmyjohnson

          lol what do people expect out of trades?? There’s nothing wrong with the return that Pittsburgh got. They’ll be a better team than they were with Neal. Just watch.

      • jimmyjohnson

        You might be right. A huge criteria on his list though is US markets. Getting out of the cold and the crazy fandom of Ottawa may very well appeal to him more than another year in the nation’s capital.

        • Sensnation

          I think if it was to that point he’d have waived. He loves Ottawa, is good friends with Brian and most of the team, is the captain, it’s a good situation he’s giving up to chase the cup without a microscope or budget.

          • sprucesens

            it won’t be as nice now. if he thought the media was hard on him before, wait till a season where fans know he was open/wanted a trade, then nixxed a trade. It’s the heatley situation all over again

          • Richard Gough

            I agree 100%

          • Sandy

            He doesn’t have a microscope in Nashville. That’s what Fisher liked about it when he first went there. No state tax. There are good players on the team and they could be in the playoffs next season.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I think Minnesota adds some credibility to the idea that good teams can beat the odds slightly, but going to a marginal team out West because “they have some good players” isn’t what someone who only wants a Cup is going to do. The teams on the top of his list are definitely STL, CHI, LAK, ANA, and maybe SJS and COL. I doubt that NSH is any different in his mind than DAL, ARZ or MIN.

          • Sensnation

            They have the same likelyhood we do of making the playoffs next year, skillwise.

          • Sandy

            They have more of a chance than the Sens of making the playoffs as the defense is so much better than the Sens have and Rinne is better than any goalie the Sens have right now.

          • jimmyjohnson

            skillwise? sure.

            conference matters though. We would not make the playoffs in the West.

          • Sensnation

            Neither should they, but there’s only 14 teams.

          • jimmyjohnson

            And at minimum 7 of those teams can be considered playoff locks.

            That changes it from
            1 of 15 teams fighting for 8 spots
            to
            1 of 8 teams fighting for 1 spot.

          • jimmyjohnson

            If the rumours are true though, he’s prepared to nix any deal prior to FA.

            That makes sense because if, for instance, he really wants to go to STL but knows STL will do the prudent thing and strike out on a free asset first (Stastny) before making a legitimate offer, then he’d be smart to eliminate all less than perfect destinations ahead of time.

            Imo we won’t know what’s what until July 2nd at the earliest.

    • Rafi Bomb

      What does Nashville have that they would be willing to offer and would make our team better?

      Looking through their roster and prospect pool, I don’t really see much that would be of interest to us that they would want to part with.

      • jimmyjohnson

        I don’t know what they would be willing to part with but there are a number of assets below Weber, Josi, Jones that could be packaged for Spezza.

  • FistsofNeil25

    At this point I’m not sure how anyone can be confident that we’ll get a good return for Spezz. It’s very clear that it’s a buyers market right now.

    • Sensnation

      Agreed!

      A good amount of the gms were mad at how cheap Neal went for.

    • jimmyjohnson

      Buyer’s market ends in like 4 days.

  • esk

    just heard on tsn1200 ..Murray just said that nashville was trying to get spezza before neal ..when spezza wouldnt go they got neal instead. they might still come back to him

    • Max2166

      I think Bryan Murray is very frustrated. Spezza and Curran may have to cave in. BM is not impressed.

    • Max2166

      TSN 1200 is saying this could drag into training camp. Please not!

    • Aaron 2.0

      Mentioned below, I just sat down and read the Nashville stuff. I honestly think that is dead now. Nashville now knows that Spezza doesn’t want to go there. Knowing that, how could they trade for him. He’s a huge flight risk when his contract expires next year.

      When things like this happen, I really lose all respect for the player (probably an over-reaction in the moment, I know). If I’m Murray, it’s hard-ball from here on in. Good deal. Or no deal. Spezza can look in the mirror if he wonders why he’s here longer than he wants to be.

      • jimmyjohnson

        No, I think you’re wrong. Poile said that there’s nothing stopping a player from saying he wants play in Nashville. It was an open invitation for Spezza to change his mind.

        • Sensnation

          Definitely, he said players can call him as well, it’s not just 1 way.

        • Sandy

          That deal was before the Neal trade. So I assume there is not much left on his roster he would trade to Ottawa for Spezza.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I’d be willing to bet that he was interested in making both moves. They have plenty of assets remaining that could be packaged for Spezza.

          • Phoenix

            Forsberg, Watson, 2015 1st and conditional picks if he resigns. Nashville has a solid top 4 defense, a very good goalie, and a decent wingers including Neal now. Why wouldn’t he want to go.

          • Jakester

            Might be a team that asks their players to back check!

        • Aaron 2.0

          That’s great for Poile to say that. But, you don’t think that will influence what he’s willing to sent back to OTT? NASH now has to look at Spezza as a rental. If I was Poile, I would be scaling back any offer, if it’s not completely pulled at this point.

          • Sensnation

            If Spezza calls him and says he’d come and sign longterm it’s back on. Spezza has pretty much said no to Nashville over Ottawa, there’d be no point to say “ok ya I’ll go as a rental now”.

            They were never the focal point of this trade though, it shouldn’t be this upsetting.

          • Aaron 2.0

            That’s pretty rosy outlook, I think. NASH knows they are not a preferred destination, and that he only has 1 year left on his contract. If Spezza circles back, I’d take it to mean where he wanted to go didn’t come through. So, essentially NASH is better than staying in OTT (given what that would look like now). He can tell them he’s willing to sign a contract. But, if I’m a GM, I’d find it hard to take at face value. NASH knows he’d prefer to be somewhere else.

          • Sensnation

            That’s my point, he’d rather stay in Ottawa than go to Nashville for 1 or more years.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Oh, okay, I think we were probably talking past each other a little bit. Basically, you think he’ll never go there then, right? Rather say here. My thought was he wasn’t willing to go there yet (essentially holding out for a better deal with a better team), but might be willing eventually, if nothing else works out. So, it wasn’t that he’d be offering himself up as a rental. But, that, his true feelings about playing in NASH were exposed, making a deal very unlikely if I’m NASH. But, either way, it sounds like we both think there’s little chance Spezza is going to NASH.

          • Jakester

            Yeah but we don’t want him in Ottawa!

          • jimmyjohnson

            It’s a fair concern, but we know that the offer was made before James Neal arrived, so it’s possible that the willingness to compete and win would be enough to sign Spezza. Not likely, I know, but not impossible.

          • Aaron 2.0

            I think that’s fair. A deal could still get done w/ them. It just seem much less likely. And, the chance of any pot sweetening seems impossible. New players could be involved, with Neal deal going through. I just don’t see them putting up as good of a deal now, given the circumstances. Maybe, the original one is still there…

  • esk

    Murray also said we will need 4 forwards going into UFA

    • Max2166

      Who do you think the Sens could try to sign on July 1st?

      • Sensturion

        There is no one to sign.

        • Max2166

          Your not encouraging.

          • Sensturion

            The free agent class is not encouraging.

          • Max2166

            True.

        • Rafi Bomb

          There are some decent bottom six grinders and a few agitators but that is it. There is really slim pickings on the market so we shouldn’t expect to improve our top six.

          • Max2166

            We already have those.

          • Rafi Bomb

            We don’t have many agitators. With the West getting a lot bigger and tougher, we will need to improve our overall toughness and grit in order to compete.

            Our best bet to improve our top six is through trade. Hopefully we can get a good return for Spezza.

        • Sandy

          Grabovski & Kulemin if MacArthur could convince them to play here. They want to play on the same team.

          • Max2166

            We shall see!

        • Sensnation

          There’s enough skill out there to fill 2nd and 3rd lines, but not the 1st line if we aren’t paying top dollar.

    • Rafi Bomb

      He wants to add 4 forwards in free agency?

      • esk

        yes

        • sprucesens

          where did you hear this?

        • Sandy

          Who the hell wants to come to Ottawa. A team the Owner won’t spend money on?

          • Rafi Bomb

            It will pretty much be depth players. These will likely be bargain budget pickups that are utility players or reclamation projects. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing because this class of free agents is weak and I wouldn’t want the sens to overpay for what they are getting.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Hello Guillaume Latendresse and Randy Robitaille.

            And Goodbye Shane Prince.

        • Rafi Bomb

          That is surprising. At this point we have Ryan, Turris, MacArthur, Greening, Smith, Neil, Condra and Spezza all on one way contracts. So even if you remove Spezza that is still 7 forward spots taken up. Then we have Zibanejad (who will play) and Stone, Hoffman, Lazar, Pageau, Prince and Puempel all pushing for open spots.

          So either Murray isn’t planning on giving many spots to the young players/prospect or he is expecting to move bodies so something has to give.

          Given the types of players we have pushing for roster spot, the only type of players I could see him targeting in free agency is a top six winger or two, and agitator and an enforcer. While Stone, Lazar, Prince, Puempel and Hoffman all have excellent offensive ability and upside I could see the Sens wanting at least one more established top six guy. Then in regards to an agitator and an enforcer, we don’t have anyone ready to take on the role and that style of player isn’t something we could easily replace internally much like other bottom six forward roles.

          • Sensnation

            He’s probably saying it that way so that the young guys know they still have to earn their spots. However, no way he goes into camp wanting 4 open spots that rookies or sophomores are competing for. I could see 1-2 spots being fought for between Stone, Hoffman, Lazar, Pageau and outside shot for Puempel.

          • jimmyjohnson

            If he actually signs four new forwards, I’m personally going to poop on his lawn. I trust his judgement but that’s just moronic.

          • peetypuck

            Don’t forget your pooper scooper.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Lmao What??? If I have to pooper scoop, I’m choosing the toilet.

            Tell Murray he should visit a petsmart if he dares test me!

          • Rafi Bomb

            Well I think Stone has played himself onto the team, and Murray has stated that he wand’t Lazar on the team last season. So my guess is that those two are essentially locks. The Sens have also made it clear that they aren’t fully convinced that Hoffman is ready but think he has an excellent shot of taking a spot.

            As for Pageau, Prince and Puempel, my impression is that they will compete for spots but are behind those three.

            So if we base it off this and off the current roster minus Spezza. then we will have 11 forward roster spots locked up. Therefore if we are going to sign 4 UFA forwards then they would be taking the 12th, 13th, 14th and 15th forward spots. Now it would make sense if 2 of those spots are an enforcer and an agitator as those are utility players and can play in the 12th and 13th, or 13th and 14th roster spots. The other two spots would likely be established top six forwards as that is an area that we are lacking. Now that would give us 15 roster spot locked up without considering the return for Spezza. This would force them to trade some of their current players in order to not exceed the roster limit.

            Sure they could only leave one spot open for all of Stone, Lazar, Hoffman, Pageau, Prince and Puempel, but our roster is too weak as is the free agent market for that to be a viable alternative.

          • jimmyjohnson

            The team is full!
            Mac-7-6
            hoff-zib-stone
            gsn
            pageau-condra

            Unless he’s looking to replace 2 or 3 of those guys, send Lazar back to juniors, and piss off the young players in Bingo, I don’t see how there’s anything close to 4 spots open.

            He has to mean 4 spots in the organization, meaning 1 in Ottawa, 3 in Bingo.

            Until otherwise proven, this is what I’m believing.

          • Sensnation

            Actually that’s a good point, it’s possible some of the spots are for bingo level players. He’s exhausted after the last week and may have forgotten to clarify.

          • Sensnation

            Stone I agree with, will depend on chemistry with linemates in camp, but he does deserve the shot most. Hoffman is so fast, but agreed, he does not get handed a roster spot.

            I don’t think Lazar is a lock. He will be given a chance in camp just like Lehner, Zibanejad and Ceci were, but they all eventually ended up back in the minors for a bit more development time. I’m not against him making the team, but he would have to be one of the top 7 forwards or so for them to keep him up.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Regardless of whether any are a lock or not, wouldn’t it make sense to give them the opportunity to earn roster spots?

            If we look at this free agent class I have a hard time believing that we will be able to sign anyone who will be better than those three. Certainly it is a possibility but even then we would be paying a premium for their services.

            If we do end up signing 4 forwards with our current roster staying in tact then we would simply be eliminating the possibility of giving Stone, Lazar and Hoffman among others the opportunity to take spots on the team. Last year Murray was apparently unhappy about the fact that some of the young players/prospects were outplaying some of the players on the team. He was also frustrated by the fact that due to the contract status of some of the under performing players, he would be forced to send down these higher performing prospects. If he isn’t planning on moving any bodies then he is running the risk of the same issue happening again this year.

          • Sensnation

            Yes you give them a chance to earn roster spots, but you don’t go into camp with a bare roster forcing them to be awarded a spot. Need some veterans in place who can slide up a line if the young guys falter or aren’t ready.

            If they can beat out each other for 1-2 spots that’s good and more than enough young blood. If Lazar is ready, there’s really no need for Hoffman to be on the team as well unless he’s outplaying the likes of Stone, Condra, Pageau.

            4 may be across NHL and AHL levels and it’s quite possible 1 is meant as a bench warmer 13th forward, which doesn’t eliminate a spot that a young guy would take as they rarely would stay up to warm the bench all season. Without further information from BM though hard to know exactly what he’s looking for.

            All I know is he definitely doesn’t just fill in his roster with young guys like most fans do.

    • Sensnation

      We need a 1st line!

      • Max2166

        Exactly!

      • Sensturion

        We aren’t getting it through free agency.

        • Sensnation

          If Spezza stays and we re-sign Michalek and Hemsky or similar types we’ll have similar to what we’ve had the last few years.

          • Sandy

            Spezza can’t play in Ottawa next season, not after the Nashville mess.
            The agent should have just said, NO, you can’t talk to teams on the no-go list.
            So Spezza and his agent are also to blame for this mess.

          • Sensnation

            Why are we blaming anyone? It’s a business process let it play out. So much anger in fans over this. I haven’t been happier as a Senator, either we get to keep our captain or we are waiting out for a proper package that respects the NTC he earned over the last 11 years. These aren’t cattle, as much as some owners still think they are.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Don’t being your positivity and realism into this. There’s no place for that kind of patience and perspective here.

          • KJ

            Lol

          • esk

            He has a contract..he has to if we dont like any deals and its a contract year. He has to perform at a high level for $$..he better hope st.louis meets murrays demands or he is fucked cause i dont think murray is fuckin around here lol

          • KJ

            BM is definitely not fucking around here, friends or no friends. Business is business.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Completely agree. Spezza is probably trying to see if he can get to a preferred destination. But, it’s a dangerous game. NASH comes out and say what they said about Spezza. Not that’s known to teams like STL. Not much incentive to offer more, knowing the situation in OTT. Spezza hurt himself bad here, IMO.

          • jimmyjohnson

            “Spezza can’t play in Ottawa next season, not after the Nashville mess”

            That’s dumb.

          • Sandy

            Do you think he would want to play in Ottawa getting booed more and criticised more? I don’t think so.

          • Sensnation

            More? He’s been the scapegoat for every loss or underachievement for a decade!

          • KJ

            Water off his back. I don’t believe that at all.

  • aegiszx

    Maybe we’ll roll with 2 lines next year since our entire 2nd line is gone and GSN line is 3rd/4th (like they are never off the ice…)

    • Rafi Bomb

      We should just up the toughness and give the kids a shot. I think players like Hoffman, Stone, Lazar, Puempel, Prince and Pageau could actually have decent years if we insulate them with enough toughness.

    • jimmyjohnson

      Why bother with 2 lines? Just play GSN 100% of ES TOI and keep those other players for the powerplay.

      • Sensnation

        Neil’s our PP specialist! ;)

        • jimmyjohnson

          and Greening and Smith as the only PK tandem. It’s perfect!

        • Floridasensfan

          Neil and Phillips

  • Rafi Bomb

    In terms of a “skilled” bargain pick up, I still think Andy Miele could be a good option. He had 72 points in 70 games played last season in the AHL.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XgyDjE0it8

    • jimmyjohnson

      Some impressive stuff. He’s like a little Patrick Kane.

      Buuuut…. he’s tiny and slow.

      Corey Locke syndrome.

      Also lolzomg some of the defending in that video. Some of that was downright embarrassing.

      • Rafi Bomb

        Do we need a top six forward for Binghamton? He could be an interesting addition down there if we need to add a bit more scoring with Stone and Hoffman making the jump and Da Costa leaving for the KHL.

  • Sensturion

    Murray may have mentioned that Nashville had a trade ready to go, but it’s Poile who’s really doing all the damage here.

    • Aaron 2.0

      Oh for sure. The damage is done by Poile, which for me, is another indication it’s dead in the water. Murray has to respond. Spezza might not of seen this happening by allowing talks with teams on the no-trade list, but he must realize he’s in a much worse position now because of it (and the sens too).

    • Sensnation

      I think Poile is upset that he had to work all the way to an amenable trade before even finding out if Spezza would waive. But BM has been clear about that from the start of the process. He is going over the top for sure though!

  • Richard Gough

    Fucken Spezza !!!! There isn’t anything wrong with NASH

    • Max2166

      Stop being an ass Spezza.

    • jimmyjohnson

      I dunno… he’s kind of slow and overpaid now. Can’t really score anymore…barely put up any points in the playoffs this year.

      There might be something wrong with Nash.

  • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

    My god this team has become a complete and utter fiasco.

    Better hope for the teams sake they plan to sign Alfie to a lucrative retirement contract. At this rate I could see the stadium being empty.

    • Sandy

      Lots of negativity here for sure. Free agents are going to stay as far away from Ottawa as they can get.

      • KJ

        They certainly will if the read this board. Geesh

    • Sandy

      Alfie has said it’s Detroit or retirement. He’s not letting Detroit know until August. Helene St James said on twitter than Alfie is living next season in Detroit no matter what happens.
      He’s not coming to Ottawa.

    • jimmyjohnson

      I could see it empty to! I just drive on up the street and: hey look, the stadium is empty!!

      On October 16th though, that place will be full to the brim.

      • Sandy

        Don’t be too sure of that.

        • jimmyjohnson

          I’m pretty sure that in a city of over a million, at least 4-5 thousand kids will convince their parents to take them to the game, another 5000+ diehards will show up, and at least 2000 Karlsson lovers will happen by as well. Add in the fact that over 10k season tickets will be sold and I’m pretty sure the place will be full.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Haha well played… I’m camping tho and have been talking to a tonne of people, and I am actually shocked at how “end of the world” most people seem to be predicting

        • jimmyjohnson

          I guess it should be expected. We’ll see what happens this week. Maybe they’re right!!!

        • Sensnation

          I wonder how many times the sky is going to fall throughout this whole process.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I’m setting the over/under at 6

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            I’m taking over on that one!

          • jimmyjohnson

            Really? I’m comfortable with the under, I guess.

            I mean, there’s at least one more before FA day.

            then when he doesn’t get moved by noon on FA day there’s another one.

            then when he isn’t moved at all on FA day there’s another one.

            Then when Stastny is signed, there will be another a couple hours later.

            Then when average FA’s start getting signed ahead of the trade, another.

            On second thought, the over sounds pretty promising…

    • KJ

      Nonsense

  • Dirtysweetness

    Anyone else think Murray is playing this Spezza/Nashville fiasco to scare other bidders to up the ante? If other interested teams hear that Spezza may be cohersed into accepting a deal to Nashville…they lose out.

    • jimmyjohnson

      I doubt it.

    • Sensnation

      I think Murray has no problem having Spezza on his team if his price isn’t met.

      • Jakester

        He wants him out and it’s MaCLean who wants him gone!

  • Sandy

    The one issue I have with this is Murray should have just said, I had a deal with a team on his no-go list but he wouldn’t waive.
    He should not have named the team.
    Sometimes he mouth is just too big.

    • sprucesens

      i agree, however, then we’d just speculate on the team, and we all know nashville has been interested since the start. Regardless, spezza comes off as the bad guy. Who knows, maybe he’s doing us a favor if the return was terrible, which i highly doubt. Just trying to stay positive. I think dallas really steps up now. Knowing they would have lost him if he didn’t nix a trade. Don’t think they are any closer to the cup than nashville, but not on the list

      • Jakester

        Was probably Forsberg for F-sakes! Lol

  • Phoenix

    After July 1 when teams starting signing the available FA, Spezza may have no choice but to open his list up a bit. Anaheim is now out of the picture with Kesler, and with Richards and Stantsy on the market the options could get smaller. Spezza’s agent apparently has said last week if a team comes to Murray thats on his list they would see where things were at. My guess is it will open up a bit next week.

    • Max2166

      Hopefully it will happen July 1st. It depends where Paul Stastny signs.

    • jimmyjohnson

      I would argue that “after July 1 when teams start signing the available FA’s” the teams that miss out will have to start upping their offers.

    • Phoenix

      I don’t think its a matter of teams up the ante but rather if Spezza wants to stay he maybe more inclined to open his list up. Stastny will be the starting point.

    • Sandy

      Brad Richards? He’s not a 2nd line centre anymore.

      • Phoenix

        He still has a skill set that can be used and in a smaller market with less hype on him. He might still be able to contribute. Someone will pick him up and reduce the number of open center spots for Spezza to go to. Phoenix and Nashville could use him on a short term.

      • jimmyjohnson

        33rd in points in 2013-14 for centers.

        33rd.

  • Max2166

    TSN1200 just quoted David Poile GM of Preds comments. He is not very happy.

  • Phoenix

    A petition needs to be started to remove Melynk from ownership. Heatley, Alfie, Spezza, and you could probably lump Chara in their even though it was Muckler chose one over the over. Why are the star players leaving.

    • Sandy

      Because the Owner won’t spend to make the team more competitive. He is taking out the profits instead of reinvesting some of that back into the team.

      • Rafi Bomb

        That isn’t entirely true. He has said that he plans to spend wisely and that he is very willing to invest in adding more scouts or improving the development system. He just doesn’t want to have to overpay for free agents. It is actually a much more reasonable position to take than most fans would give him credit for.

        The only area of concern is trying to determine his willingness to be flexible on the budget when it comes to internally developed players. Is there a risk that we could invest a fair amount of capital turning a few players into starts only to let them walk in free agency because we don’t want to pay them a salary that is of fair market value?

        • Sensnation

          Great points. So far Karlsson and Cowen were shown the money. Next up Lehner, the franchise #1 of the future, and then Bobby Ryan, who Murray keeps talking as if he is the focal point of the organization for the future.

          • Sandy

            We hope Bobby Ryan. Crosses fingers and toes.

        • jimmyjohnson

          I think that’s a risk for every team.

          I’m off the “not-anti-Melnyk” bandwagon if he doesn’t spend appropriately though. The hope is that at some point in the next 5 years, that will take us to the cap.

      • Sensnation

        Which profits did he take? I haven’t seen any forbes or other say he is raking in the dough and using it to start his fireplace.

        • Sandy

          Probably profits on the arena. According to the Forbes reports this team was making some money. Starting next season it makes more.
          Funny teams losing money spend more on their team than the Sens.

          • Sensnation

            Sens spent when they had a cup worthy team. Overspent a few years after chasing the dream. Now we’re in a rebuild, more money will be there to spend for the next cup worthy team when our young core grows up.

    • Rafi Bomb

      You are better off finding a private equity firm and pitching them on the opportunity to purchase it and turn it public. The only way we get a new owner is if some individual or corporation/fund makes Melnyk an offer that he can’t refuse.

    • Phoenix

      The NHL can’t be happy seeing a Canadian Market falter with its top players because an owner won’t spend. Players come and go but they should really take notice. A petition if anything shows Melynk that the fans are not happy with him.

    • GeeGee1313

      I find these types of comments hilarious. So much easier spending other people’s money…like kids whining that their parents don’t spend money on all the cool shit that they like. Withdraw $100,000k from your bank (or line of credit) put the cash in front of you…and let other people tell you how to spend it (better yet ask them send tweets with their ideas)…do what they say and then re-post about that experience.

      • Phoenix

        Its not about how he is spending his money but why is he not making it a competitive team. If you gave an investor money you hope to make money, if you don’t trust them to make you money then you get someone else to do it. Murray who Melnyk hired to work for him is not giving the resources to make the team competitive. So does Melynk not trust Murray to make the right decisions or is he not willing to spend to make a competitive team to make money. My guess Murray retires after this season if things don’t change a little.

        • jimmyjohnson

          They committed to a rebuild. They like the players in the system.
          They hope those players cost more some day and they want to retain them.

          .

        • KJ

          How do you know Melnyk won’t give BM resources? are you in their management meetings? Unless you live under a tree I am pretty sure Melnyk wants more than anything to win the big prize. His approach has certainly changed since the time when he first became the owner. Now he is throwing his money at the the resources needed to find and develop talent. If even 2 of these 5 picks today become players in the NHL then I would say he is going down a positive road for the Sens. But based on BM’s scouting team’s track record, I bet 3 of these guys get to the show.

    • peetypuck

      I’d rather a petition to Bettman asking him to make it a level playing field for Canadian teams to compete for players that go to the US because of cheaper taxes.
      He caused two work stoppages in the last ten years to level the field for mainly poor US teams that could not afford to keep up with rising salaries. He then started a revenue sharing fund to be distributed to poor US teams that are losing money. What’s wrong with a fund to compensate players that have to pay higher taxes. Not only that but Canadian revenues from TV contracts (for only 7 teams) more than double that of US TV contracts for 23 US teams.
      We end up subsidizing US teams so that they can pay our Canadian star players more plus pay cheaper taxes. Something has to change.

      • jimmyjohnson

        I can’t plus one this enough.

      • KJ

        Like folding half the teams in the NHL…

  • Jakester

    Spezz giving us the old Heatley treatment won’t go to Nashville??

    • Frankie Fives

      Why would he? They are on his no-trade list. He has that clause in his contract for a reason

  • Terry

    To say that I am not disappointed Spezza nixed a trade offer would be a lie. But all the blame cannot be on Spezza. They signed him to the LNTC in the first place and Nashville was on that list.
    Its going to be interesting next few days until FA day.

    • esk

      if you ask for a trade…LNTC should be void. Need to change that!

      • Terry

        Well, then….become the commissioner and get the NHLPA to sign on the dotted line.
        Until then, it won’t change. Obviously JS didn’t feel Nash gave him the best chance at a cup, and I do not disagree with him. Blues, Hawks or Nash….what team would you guys choose, honestly?

        • esk

          hoping that happens lol well he is gonna have to play another year as a senator

          • Sandy

            That’s just about impossible now. This has been handled so poorly.

          • esk

            i dont think so..murray has said from the beginning this was a possibility. I dont think he should trade him for the sake of trading..he still has one year left and he needs to produce for a contract

          • Terry

            There is still along time before training camp starts, everyone needs to relax. Wait till the cards fall on July 1st and then start to panic. Remember that there were multiple teams interested and depending on the results of UFA day that may increase.

      • Frankie Fives

        All BM had to do was add that clause to the contract. He didn’t so point is moot

    • Sandy

      His agent gave Murray permission to speak to teams on the no-go list. Maybe they should have just told Murray no speaking to teams on that list and none of this crap would be happening.
      This is f’in Heatley all over again.

      • Terry

        They could have but didn’t. Maybe there are still teams on his list that he would waive to go to depending on what they do with UFA?

  • jimmyjohnson

    For everyone freaking out about this Nashville thing, keep in mind that turning down this deal increases hope in other teams that he would sign with them, which increases their willingness to spend.

    It might be marginal, but it’s still something.

    • Sandy

      I think it has the opposite effect. He wants St Louis and by now they know it.
      They want him but will only offer a 3rd line player with a severe shoulder injury.

      • jimmyjohnson

        There’s a ton of assumptions in this.

        • Sandy

          There is a lot out there that say Spezza’s preference is St Louis. Obviously St Louis wants him if they made an offer.

          • Terry

            And it sounded like a deal that the computer on NHL14 tries to get me to agree to.

      • peetypuck

        I hope Murray tells GM Armstrong that Spezza will stay in Ottawa rather than take his insulting offer. If Armstrong does not land Stastny that leaves STL in the same spot they were last year. I heard that ownership has told him that they have to get to the SC finals or else they will look for a new GM and coach. Hopefully ownership steps in if Armstrong refuses to increase the offer.

    • Aaron 2.0

      I think that’s fair. If you are a STL, and you land him, he’s probably staying put. There’s a plus! But, we need there to be other teams interested, and he has to be willing to go to other teams too. Otherwise there is no market. Right now, that seems like a very real problem.

      • jimmyjohnson

        I won’t be worried until July 10th.

        • Terry

          I fully agree!!! See what happens on July 1st, or longer depending on where Statsny goes and how long it takes him to decide.

      • Sandy

        Right now there are 16 teams that he could go to. (Mtl, Tor, his 10 team list and Anaheim are out).
        He can’t refuse to go to a team not on his list.

  • Phoenix

    My issue with NTC, Limited NTC or no movements is they are put in contracts to protect players from being moved by GM’s if the GM wishes to make a move but if the player requests a trade like Heatley then that is on the player and should void the NTC etc giving the GM all the options possible. Is this a mutual thing with Spezza and the Sens or on Spezza’s side.

    • Terry

      Spezza was drafted and played his entire career here. He was the whipping boy for media and fans alike for years. Even if NTCs and such were voided, BM would have tried to send JS to a place that he wanted to go. He did the same for FIsher. Honestly, I don’t see Nashville as a contender, they will compete for the playoffs but would not survive a series against LA, Chicago or Anaheim.

      • Sandy

        Well there is no room in LA Chicago and now Anaheim for Spezza. So I guess he goes to the next tier where anything can happen. They could miss the playoffs or they could win the Cup. It’s a gamble.

        • Terry

          It is a gamble, but not one that Spezza needs to be a part of if he chooses not too.
          If I was Spezza, and I am not, I wouldn’t go to Nashville. They have missed the playoffs the last 2 years.
          If I was BM, and I am not, I would entertain ideas from teams on his list. If I got an offer I like, check with Spezza and see if he would waive. If JS didn’t waive I would move on. If he agreed, then its a bonus.

          • KJ

            We need to wait until post July 1. If Stastny ends up leaving Colorado, then they became an instant suitor for a top C.

    • Sensnation

      Spezza is amenable to a trade. His preference is for Ottawa to spend to win now with him here, but they can’t for at least a year or two. Therefore he is open to going to a contender in a non-Canadian market.

      • Aaron 2.0

        I think the truth is probably somewhere b/w what Murray is saying and what you are saying. That’s just my speculation. Only management and Spezza’s camp know, I guess. If he was jut “amenable to a trade” I don’t really get why this was all made public. Would have been easier for Murray to shop him quietly. Once #19 decided the team wouldn’t/couldn’t be a contender, he probably became more than amenable to a trade. But, again, that’s just my best guess. The difference is obviously very fine shades of grey.

        • Sensnation

          Agreed. Though it would have become public either way as we saw during the season. I’m just surprised how the title of this changed from fans trading him out for the entire 2nd half of the season, to now he demands a trade.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Bwahahaha. Very true (re the fans vs demands)!

      • jimmyjohnson

        Why is this so elusive?

        This is exactly it.

  • Sandy

    I didn’t think the Stars were on that list? Why would they be? Good goaltending, good defense, good group of forwards. I think LeBrun is wrong on this. But that’s just me.
    Why would he have them on there when Buffalo wasn’t?

    • Jakester

      Oh LeBrun is wrong… Hmmmm

      • jimmyjohnson

        NEVERRRRR – HAHAHAHA!!

  • Jakester

    Geez, hope some team on his list that isn’t St Louis makes an offer, send him there Murray. Call Toronto and get something from them , if they want to flip him who cares!

    • HarvardYaleAndPrincetonMan

      Indeed – I don’t understand the “we can’t trade him to Toronto
      because we’d have to play against him” mindset.

      Wouldn’t Ottawa Senator Kadri have some amazing games against
      Toronto next year ?

      • KJ

        Oh yes because it would be so awesome to see Spezza in a blue and white uniform light us up for 5 goals a game. It would make me sick honestly.

  • jimmyjohnson

    The last thing I’m going to point out about today’s revelation is that the offer getting leaked sets the price.

    If we assume Hornqvist, Spaling, and 1st was the deal, then teams know that a quality top-6 a b level prospect and a good pick will get it done.

    This trade will happen eventually. I’m confident in that.

    • Sensnation

      Was that the trade? Del Zotto on the block right after trade nixed seemed related.

      • jimmyjohnson

        Yes that scares me.

        I hope it was just MDZ instead of the first or Spaling.

        I know Murray has a thing for MDZ so I’m hoping he gets moved to somewhere we can’t trade for him!!

        • Sensnation

          Definitely, I think it was MDZ instead of Spaling, but who knows. I’m not overly happy with that deal but I can see why Murray would be willing to live with it, especially with the middle 1st round pick instead of a late one.

  • Sandy

    Nick Kypreos @RealKyper · 2h

    Trade market prices remained extremely high through #NHL draft. # Sabres ask for Tyler Myers was 3 pièces including a 1st round pick.

  • esk

    JULY 1ST “…. Spezza’s agent Rick Curran said, “I really can’t say one way or another. Nashville was on Jason’s list that we put together a while ago and without the benefit of a crystal ball, I can’t say. Call me in three or four days and we might have a better answer” http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/dont-rule-out-jason-spezza-to-nashville-deal-just-yet/

    • jimmyjohnson

      Point – JJ

    • Sandy

      If that happened would be interesting to see who comes back now not named MDZ.
      It may turn out to be better players?

  • Dirtysweetness

    Is or isn’t Dallas on Spezza’s no trade list?

    • esk

      supposedly not..

      • Sandy

        Why? They are a playoff team with some really good players. I don’t get that. But Buffalo isn’t on his list? Does that make any sense to anybody?

        • Sensnation

          No. The Buffalo omission is the most perplexing. It must have to do with the Murrays not trading with each other or being in the same division.

          • Sandy

            Well Bryan could be a bastard and trade him there to get a good return. Spezza couldn’t do anything about it.

          • Sensnation

            He could, but Bryan’s a good guy and he cares about Spezza too much.

          • jimmyjohnson

            What are Buffalo, Boston, Montreal, and Toronto?

            Correct for $200.

            Old NHL divisions for $400 please Alex

        • esk

          iunno ask spezza lol lebrun said it on his blog

    • Sensnation

      Exactly, wtf! Media has no clue these days and fans are suffering for it! Either they weren’t and the original leaked list was right, or they are and TSN is more useless than we ever thought.

      That leaked list though did include Florida as a no-trade location, however I know previously Spezza has hinted at being open to playing there. Something has to be clarified here for our sanity.

      • jimmyjohnson

        TSN is just awful. No amount of being right about the list could change that.

        • Sensnation

          Hahaha, so true!

        • Sandy

          If TSN is awful just how bad is Sportsnet.

          • jimmyjohnson

            If you look at it a certain way, it looks a lot like Sportsnet is catching up quick, but really that’s just TSN falling

          • Sandy

            Sportsnet catching up by hiring those CBC guys? Okay (sarcasm)

          • peetypuck

            It’s still the same ol’ group of arseholes whether it’s Sportsnet, TSN or CBC.

          • Sandy

            CBC has Healey who is rumoured to be going to Sportsnet. Sportsnet already has Kypreos.
            What does TSN have that is as bad as that.
            I love Duthie, Bob MacKenzie, Aaron Ward. They are entertaining and informative.
            The only person I like on Sportsnet now is Friedman.

          • peetypuck

            I can’t stand Dreger since he worked for Sportsnet. He always seemed to sneer when he talked about the Sens as though we were beneath his dignity.

          • Sandy

            He is too Leaf focused because of his ties to Nonis.

          • peetypuck

            What ties?

          • Sandy

            Nonis is his cousin.

          • peetypuck

            More nepotism?

          • jimmyjohnson

            Aaron Ward was my first answer to your question.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I…didn’t say that.

          • Sandy

            No you didn’t. But when you referred to Sportsnet catching up as well as TSN falling.
            TSN has a lot better sportscasters than Sportsnet especially since Sportsnet hired a few CBC broadcasters.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Again, I didn’t say anything about on air personalities.

        • FistsofNeil25

          If TSN is awful then what does that say about everyone else? They’re still the most reliable sports media outlet in Canada. No one has been able to nail down Spezza’s exact no trade list.

          • jimmyjohnson

            TSN is NOT reliable. They are a rumour factory and Dreger is a mouthpiece for Nonis.

            TSN is awful.

        • KJ

          Your joking right

          • jimmyjohnson

            No I genuinely think TSN has lowered the bar consistently over the years. Their lack of reporting integrity is an epidemic these days, mostly designed to secure web hits. It used to be no contest. Now it’s basically either or.

      • sprucesens

        or just a trade would be nice

  • Phoenix

    Sens could potentially have a nest egg of picks next year. With Spezza being moved at some point with a 1st in a deal, Anderson maybe gets us a pick, and if Ryan doesn’t resign there will be another pick. Murray could be very busy at the next draft.

    • sprucesens

      if that happens, we will have bigger issues, like not even being close to the cap floor. Thats 16 mill right there. We’d be at like 35 million…. barring returns of course

  • sprucesens

    i suppose a plus could be that spezza actually said, i will go there, but let’s wait till the blues make a decision once stastny signs wherever. If they won’t give the pieces you need, i’ll go to nashville. If this is the case, it comes out to the media the same way that it has. Murray had a deal, and spezza said no, let’s wait. When in reality it might not be so bad. optimism?

    • Sensnation

      I can’t help but up vote optimism!

      • sprucesens

        ESK posted this same comment below, which also reiterates this mentality.

        When asked whether his client would change his mind about going to
        Nashville, Spezza’s agent Rick Curran said, “I really can’t say one way
        or another. Nashville was on Jason’s list that we put together a while
        ago and without the benefit of a crystal ball, I can’t say. Call me in
        three or four days and we might have a better answer.”

        So basically, wait till free agency stuff has happened, and murray will know what offer’s he is willing to accept. If st. Louis doesn’t put together an offer, then spezza is off to nashville. Could be a clever way for murray to up the price from st. louis. It tarnishes spezza’s name a bit, but at this point, does spezza care if he is never going to play here again? Obviously he doesn’t want to be seen as an enemy, and to most, never will, but some people love to hate.

        • Sandy

          If Hornqvist was part of the package he is gone now.
          Who’s left there to trade not named MDZ.

          • Sensnation

            Not that they’d trade him, but I only see Forsberg as worthwhile.

    • Sandy

      I don’t know about that. Fans in Nashville probably feel really insulted by Spezza right now. I don’t know how he could go there now.

      • Sensnation

        They’d write a country song about being wronged and then get over it ;)

        • Sandy

          Okay.

      • sprucesens

        yeah, once he starts putting up points better than all their other players, they’ll feel ok. Especially if it comes out after that he was waiting for a deal from st. louis as his preferred destination. Some will still be upset, but most hardcore fans wouldn’t blame him. Especially when we knew they were on the list to begin with. I really feel this is just murray’s tactics to lower fan’s expectations, and be happy with what we get, while emotionally moving on from the player. It encourages those that were on the fence to have the “get the hell out” mentality, making the organization look good. Its not a good move, but its not the worst idea either

  • Dirtysweetness

    Would any of you been happy with that package Nashville gave up for Neil? (for Spezza)

    • esk

      11th pick was included supposedly.. i would of been down

      • Dirtysweetness

        Oh… Didn’t know that..me too

    • Sensnation

      Adding the 11th pick, it’s not what I hoped for, but it’s not terrible. Without the pick hell no!

      • jimmyjohnson

        Honestly, I’d have been more comfortable with it if we still had the 10th pick. Without that and the ability to pick consecutively, I’m happy waiting for the FA frenzy to pass.

    • sprucesens

      it’s not a crazy bad deal, but i would have preferred a different secondary piece. Or remove the 1st and make it forsberg instead as the 2nd piece.

      • Aaron 2.0

        Agree, the D (Spaling) would of been totally useless for us. But a 1st and Hornqvist would be okay. Need another option for the 3rd part. Another bottom pairing defensemen really just causes more problems.

  • jimmyjohnson

    As an added bonus to the wait, we get at least a few days of Eklund throwing every crazy variety of Spezza trade against the wall. Should be fun to watch!

    • peetypuck

      Why even waste your time reading Eklund?

      • jimmyjohnson

        I don’t “read” Eklund.

        You can’t “read” Eklund.

        You experience Eklund!!

        I experience the entertainment of seeing what he comes up with next and how he keeps his site going. Frankly, at this point, I’m amazed he still gets page hits, and even I keep going there…for the experience!!!

    • HarvardYaleAndPrincetonMan

      as opposed to most of the trade proposals appearing here
      Eklund has been the voice of sanity so far

  • thepez

    If we all take a step back for a second, BM has been preparing us fans for this exact scenario that is unfolding. He warned us that the deal would be a loss for the Sens. He said that he did not want to trade him but it was Spezza who wants out. Now we find out that a deal was agreed with the Preds but Spezza said no. Mission accomplished. Spezza is the bad guy and will be portrayed as the villain. So the question I have, was this the plan all along knowing that the market was low?

    • ProfessorPower

      I think it puts pressure on Spezza to expand his list. Just maybe there is a better deal with Nashville or Winnipeg – would make sense as to why BM has such a high asking price, he might be getting far better deals with teams on the no trade list that he needs STL,CHI, ect to match them in order to trade Spezza with comfort.

  • jtf927

    nashville is trying to trade mdz. if spezza was willing, i would be very happy with mdz + filip forsberg coming back our way.

    • Don Ciccio

      The Rangers didn’t want him and now the Predators don’t want him. Not sure why we would want him. Is he that much better than Wiercioch? I would say no

  • esk

    You think ottawa will spend some money this offseason? We need 4 forwards..with all this negativity surrounding this team..maybe ottawa makes a splash and signs someone like Matt Moulson who fits and murray has previously tried to acquire. Grabovski? no chance with vanek..free agency is so weak..lol

    • Sandy

      With all of the negativity why would a UFA sign here? This Spezza issue is not helping the team’s reputation.

      • esk

        lol we still got a great team…everyone else seems happy to be here..

        • Sandy

          It’s what is perceived by the UFAs outside of Ottawa.

    • jimmyjohnson

      I doubt it. I’m convinced “4 forwards meant a couple here and a couple in Bingo”

  • jimmyjohnson

    Oh and btw
    Shane Prince is still here everybody…if he requested a trade, yesterday would have been a pretty good time to move him, don’t you think?

    • Sandy

      They may need him to play in Ottawa next season with the way things are going.

  • Andrews theory

    love this Jason Spezza Quote…

    ‘If he (Heatley) doesn’t want to be here, he has to let us make a move’ – Jason Spezza (July 2, 2009)
    UMMMM? hullo

  • Sandy

    Do we really know what teams are on Spezza’s list?
    All Cdn teams (minus Tor & Mtl as Sens would not trade him there), Nashville, Florida, NYI, Columbus and now the Stars? That’s 9, which team is the other?

    • Spoons

      STL… LMAO!!!

  • peetypuck

    I’d love to see Murray bid up the offers for Stastny. Make STL pay through the nose if they want him.

    • Magnus Nor

      Yes!!

    • Sandy

      Yeah, but what happens if Stastny accepts a high salary on the Sens. Remember we have to stay on budget.
      But that would be funny.
      The question is, will Colorado match? They have to also deal with the arbitration on ROR.

    • esk

      imagine sens sign him..loool

    • HarvardYaleAndPrincetonMan

      SIGH – so you want BM to spend money that Melnyk hasn’t given him ?

  • Sandy

    On a more positive note, Dorion did a lot of gushing over Englund. Sounds like the Sens got a good player there. The type of player they need on the blueline, like NOW. But unfortunately we have to wait a few years.

  • lbernier

    Spezza’s no trade list have the following teams:

    Winnipeg
    Vancouver
    Calgary
    Edmonton
    Nashville
    Dallas
    New York Islanders
    Florida
    Columbus
    Buffalo

    • Sandy

      According to a tweet — Dallas being on the list has been removed from the article by LeBrun.

  • Mark

    This team is becoming freaking joke. Murray shouldn’t of been worrying about getting a first-round pick
    yesterday, because with the way that Eugene is running this team we’ll be getting a lot of high first-round picks over the next few years.

    • peetypuck

      That’s a great way to build a championship team. Let’s start with McDavid next year.

      • Mark

        I wish! My worry is that he wouldn’t want to play here; like Lindros with the Nordiques. Lol

        • peetypuck

          Wouldn’t that be the cherry on top of the icing on the cake. Players want to leave, FA’s won’t sign here and 1st round picks refuse to sign.

  • ProfessorPower

    We need 2 left wingers and a center…I am assuming these are the spots.

    Mac-Turris-Ryan
    XXX-Zibanejad-Stone
    Greening-XXX-Lazar
    XXX-Smith-Neil

    • jimmyjohnson

      Hoffman
      Pageau
      Condra

      Hey look, we’re done shopping. What a team!!

    • aegiszx

      Mac-Turris-Ryan
      Greening-Zibanejad-Condra
      Greening-Smith-Stone
      Greening-Smith-Neil

      Now that’s more like it.

      • peetypuck

        Melnyk would love that, all the money he would save.

        • Aaron 2.0

          Haha. Not feeling the cost per point theme with three Greenings in the lineup

          • peetypuck

            Melnyk’s only concerned with the first part…cost.

      • Keregan

        lol

      • jimmyjohnson

        Neil is massively under-appreciated here.

  • A-Train

    Getting caught up. Finally listened to Murray’s scrum and have read up on the rest.

    - It’s not quite right to say Spezza “nixed” a trade.

    - More likely he and agent dragged their feet answering Murray about whether they’d accept Nashville as a destination. They’d prefer St. Louis.

    - Poile’s not inclined to do a sell-job on Spezza.

    • A-Train

      hmmmm. Maybe I didn’t get caught up enough.

      “I’ve talked to Bryan about Jason, and I was told by [Spezza] and his agent that he didn’t want to come here, and that was confirmed by Bryan,” said Predators GM David Poile.

  • Sandy

    After listening to the Murray interview for a 2nd time, it didn’t seem to me to be as bad as the press made it out to be. Is some of this just media trying to stir things up more than it really needed to?

    • A-Train

      It is nowhere near as bad as we’ve heard yet. Moving a top player just isn’t easy anymore. Even without the NMC’s there’s the cap to think about. It’s hard, not easy to do.

      • zippy

        combine that with the fact he’s PPG, top 10 in the league, and likely worth what BM is asking.

        We won’t get the same quality in return in any one player. Roster player and high prospect COMBINED may be as good eventually…and there’s no guarantees with a #1 pick.

        But whoever signs him is getting
        * GUARANTEED playoff experience to the final round
        * GUARANTEED increase in scoring for all wingers at his level playing with him
        * GUARANTEED increase in power play points.
        * GUARANTEED fear in the D when he has the puck.

        BM….wait it out.

    • Sensnation

      Absolutely! There was zero news for the leafs, so they had to pick on the Sens.

  • ProfessorPower

    Add picks, depth players, and b prospects if needed:

    Blues: Spezza
    Jets: Berglund + Rattie
    Ott: Evander Kane

    • Sandy

      It may have to come down to that. A 3 way trade.

    • Frankie Fives

      No way Winnipeg takes that deal

      • ProfessorPower

        then add

    • HarvardYaleAndPrincetonMan

      SIGH – the Jets would want the same Saint Louis players that Ottawa wants.

    • Max2166

      It will probrably have to be a 3 team deal. If Stars GM Jim Nill not able to sign Paul Statsny on Tuesday, I think Dallas is a possible destination for Jason Spezza.

    • Keregan

      Why would the jets do that

      • ProfessorPower

        To get a center in return for a guy who doesn’t want to play for their team. It isn’t the best deal, you could add from Ott’s side or from STL, but mostly it is an example of how we can ‘trade’ with a team on Spezzas no trade list.

  • Sandy

    Eric Gryba ✔ @grybes02

    Couldn’t be happier to stay a Senator! Can’t wait for next season

    At least some players want to be in Ottawa.

    • Spoons

      YAY for fringe NHLers! lol

  • Spoons

    Philly needs to dump salary. They can dump and get a little better by adding Spezza:
    MacDonald + Read + Sam Morin
    Lecavalier would be 3rd center in Philly. We’d have way too many D-men though.

    • jimmyjohnson

      If all your comments are spoons, this one is waaayyy in the back of the cupboard

      • Spoons

        Now we know how deep the the cupboard goes. I owe this one to desperation. lol.

        • jimmyjohnson

          I’ve seen much deeper cupboards and way crazier utensils.

    • Max2166

      I believe MacDonald has a limited NTC.

      • Sandy

        That’s just wonderful. Trading a player with a NTC for another player with a NTC.

        • Max2166

          And he just signed with the Flyers.

    • Jakester

      Read and Morin would be plenty

      • Frankie Fives

        Schenn and their 1st in 2015. I’d also gladly take a bad contract of theirs to get the deal done. Just add Morin to compensate lol

        • Jakester

          Read and Morin more interesting than Schenn

          • Frankie Fives

            Read is 28 and 5’10″. Schenn is a 22, 6’1″ power forward. He is EXACTLY the type of player the Sens need

          • Keregan

            no to Read

  • Frankie Fives

    Let’s get something straight here before some of you continue to bash Spezza. He signed a contract that INCLUDED a limited no trade clause. He gave his list of teams to Murray. He has EVERY RIGHT to veto a deal to any team on that list. He didn’t DEMAND a trade, he said he was open to being moved. Just because many of you want this to be over and done with doesn’t mean Jason has to agree to go

    Geez…

    • Sensturion

      Saying “I’m open to a trade” is the polite way of saying: “Get me the hell out of here”.

      • Frankie Fives

        Jason is also not the one who made this public. Murray leaked this information and now everyone is jumping on Spezza. There’s no point in trying to find a villain in all this. Let’s just let BM do his job and we can evaluate it all when it’s over

        • Sandy

          This was much speculated before Murray said anything. It was all over the media.

          • Frankie Fives

            And how exactly was it leaked to the media? Come on!

          • Sandy

            It was the season ending interviews with Spezza that had people saying his body language and the way he was speaking led them to the theory that he wanted out. Murray never said anything until several weeks had passed and that confirmed what a lot of people were thinking.

          • Frankie Fives

            Many things are speculated in the media that never come to fruition. That doesn’t mean Murray had to leak it. He decided to do that on his own. Spezza should not be held accountable for that

    • Spoons

      You got it all wrong. This Spezza drama is like a relationship where you just broke up with your girlfriend but you still live with her until you find yourself an apartment. You don’t know when you’ll leave, days, weeks, months… As painful as this period is, the ex-couple want the whole thing to be as civil as possible. Every moment you spend together is an irritant. At diner time you used to like the way she ate her peas, but now you just want to freakin fling the peas on her plate across the room. Then you say ” Why won’t you go to Dallas?”. She says “I never said I didn’t want to go, must be our nosy neighbour Pierre that overheard and misinterpreted something”. Then you say “well, what’s so bad about Nashville”, and she goes “Don’t get me started on Underwood, I can’t be in the same State as her”. Then you remember why you stand her any more…

      • Sensturion

        You’re very knowledgeable. Did you have a bad break up with Forks?

        But yeah. That’s exactly it.

        • Spoons

          Sadly, it did somehow involve a handful of peas

      • Frankie Fives

        Since they are nowhere near the start of training camp, this doesn’t even come close to applying here. Nice story though. I got a chuckle out of it lol

      • jimmyjohnson

        lmao

  • Sensnation

    Hopefully the scouting staff’s jubilation over getting their 1st round guy anyways, quells some of the stress some fans had over not making a trade that included a 1st round pick this year.

    • jimmyjohnson

      I can’t stop wondering who they would have taken at 11 if the deal went through.

      • Sensnation

        After the first 7-8 there wasn’t much difference for a long time, wouldn’t have been worth the price in all likelyhood. I don’t think I’ve ever seen them all this excited other than the three 1st rnd picks a few years back.

        • jimmyjohnson

          I disagree. I know that’s the sentiment but I think there was a 2nd or 3rd tier (depending on how you look at it) that went all the way to 14. There were some weaker picks made from 6-14 also, so that number extends further than 14 I think.

      • Sandy

        As they said, if they would have gotten a first round pick they were taking the guy they took at 40.

        • Jakester

          They wouldn’t have taken the Swedish D man at 11. 25-30 had they gotten a pick there maybe.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Technically true, but they said they had him in the top20 so we can assume that any of those picks 18 and up he would have been in the conversation.

        • jimmyjohnson

          They said they thought about trading for a 1st to get him. They didn’t say they would have used an early first on him. They also said they had him in the top20. 2+2 indicates that they were looking at a later first mid draft to secure this player. On an earlier pick however, their selection is very much in question.

  • Magnus Nor

    Starting to forget what happiness is. :P

  • Sandy

    Saw this in the comment section on HB.

    Chirp, can you confirm if this is true?

    “Spezza needs to file a new list of no trade teams this Tuesday. We will see if the two teams remain excluded”

    • Kumar

      Sandy, Dallas is part of his no trade list or not ?

      To your Tuesday thing, I have a feeling he will omit Toronto and Montreal, so that he has 12 teams of no trade list

      • Sandy

        Apparently Dallas including by LeBrun has been removed from his comments.
        They are not on his list.

      • CUP 2014-15

        I don’t remember seeing Dallas at any point.

    • ProfessorPower

      Well, Chicago is in cap hell. Anaheim got Kesler, and STL has a decent shot at Stastny. Hopefully that narrows the teams down to Nash Winnipeg Colorado and Dallas. two or three of which are on his no trade list. This could be a good scenario.. gives us a shot at names like Jones/Forsberg, Kane, ROR/Mcginn, Nichushkin/Chiasson…ect.

      • FistsofNeil25

        After seeing what Neal and Kesler returned on their trades I don’t expect names like Jones, Forsberg, Kane, O’Reilly or Nichushkin to be available.

        • ProfessorPower

          I think these would be a different scenario, more of a one for one trade instead of a package. If you think about the Kesler deal they ended up with Bonino + Sibsa + 1st(Jared Mccann) + Dorsett for Kesler and a 3rd.

        • ProfessorPower

          Hemsky + Greening + Puempel + wasn’t that far off for Neal.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Hemsky, Greening, Puempel was extremely far off for Neal.

          • ProfessorPower

            there was also a + to my deal..and no, you are wrong. Hemsky Puempel is about the same as Hornqvist, and Greening is similar to Spaling. add something small from that deal like I said and it is not far off (to clarify I did not say spot on). You seem to say a lot of dumb things.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Hemsky doesn’t have a contract.

            period.

            end of sentence.

            you are clueless.

      • Kumar

        When did Winnipeg got into the race ???
        Colorado doesn’t have much to give us. Rest of the three are his no trade list.

        • ProfessorPower

          I thought I heard on TSN that they were interested in bringing in a center. There is also a link with BM and Kane, he has gone after him before. I am assuming if Winnipeg was available for trade that’s a call BM would make.

          • laffin681021

            Since I’m lazy and don’t want to look it up, anyone know how long Kane is signed for? We’d likely have to add a little something to get Kane if he’s still got some time left on his contract.

          • Kumar

            4 more seasons with $5.2M cap hit.

          • laffin681021

            In that case we might have to add a little to get Kane. One of our D?

          • Kumar

            Please see below. What do you think ???

          • Kumar

            If Spezza does waive his NTC to go to the Jets, then definitely Kane will be part of the discussion. I can see them asking Stone as well.
            May be Spezza, Stone and Wiercioch for Kane, Marc Stuart and 2015 2nd.

          • Sandy

            Spezza does not want to play in Canada. Winnipeg is out.

          • Kumar

            Yep I know. If he wants out badly, then Jets are an option. I doubt he will like to come back after all what has gone through the media.

          • ProfessorPower

            image we trade him to toronto lol

          • Kumar

            For Lupul and Kadri, I will take it.

            Fans are worried him playing with Kessel, but just imagine
            Lupul – Kadri – Ryan
            MacArthur – Turris – Stone
            Hoffman – Zibanejaad – UFA signing

  • laffin681021

    Screw it.. Keep Spezza, give Hemsky what he wants and stand our ground with Michalek as he can be replaced internally……..now if only Melnyk wasn’t so damn cheap

    • Mat

      Hemsky wants to play with Spezza..

      • HarvardYaleAndPrincetonMan

        Hemsky wants to get paid LOTS of money

    • Jakester

      Yeah and we’ll give up the most goals again in the league playing loosie goosie hockey with floaters. no thanks. Time to change this teams identity. This team wants a change not about money cuz Spezza is a bargain this year, it’s about playing hockey the way a winning team does. The way L.A. And Chicago play.

      • laffin681021

        Oh ok. I’m sure you were fine with Spezza putting up 84 pts 2 years ago, no? Sorry but not everything is Spezzas fault. Everyone acts like he stays at the opponents blue line waiting for the puck. He had a bad year as did our entire defense and outside of 16/7/6 pretty much our entire team did, coaches included. We don’t know it yet but we WILL miss Spezza when he’s gone.

  • Mat

    All the leverage is eventually going to come from Spezza not wanting to be in a locker room, a team, a city where people are irate at his stubbornness about the list of teams he wants and doesn’t want to go to. Until then it’s all just posturing.

    The quicker he can realise that it’s only just a year, and that Nashville and Dallas aren’t bad options, he’ll reconsider.

    • WaitingSince92

      Doubt it

    • FistsofNeil25

      Spezza may reconsider a trade to Nashville but you can bet that deal is pretty dead now. Nashville won’t give up much for him now. They won’t give up good assets for a guy that is reluctant to go there.

      With Anaheim and Nashville out of the picture the field is really starting to narrow a bit.

  • Mitchell

    Read this on the tsn page comments but it’s 100% bang on and Spezza should burn for this

    don’tbethatguy
    7 hours ago
    ‘If he (Heatley) doesn’t want to be here, he has to let us make a move’ – Jason Spezza (July 2, 2009)

    Right now the commenter is at a +145

    This is the stupid’est thing to have ever lived in hockey. Pretty soon there won’t be a draft, players of any talent will just point to what team they play forthey’ll just write there on paychecks.

    • Mat

      When you think about it, limited NTC go against the FUNDAMENTAL goal of having PARITY in the league.

      Players who have such a clause in their contracts (the better players usually), and then request a trade but exercise that right, typically flock to cup contenders, thus increasing the talent gap between lower and elite teams.

      Next CBA negotiations, they need to insert the condition that if you request a trade, you void your protection. Bottom line.

      • Mitchell

        Point taken, but what makes Nashville a non-contender. After what he said about heatley, Florida should be just as good as any . Players are being paid to play, where I pay to watch.

  • PraiseAlfie11

    Could of had michalek – spezza – Neal
    #cheapowner

    • jtf927

      that would have actually been a great line. neal and 9mm are both fast and hard nosed type players, while spezza would have been a prime setup man for them both. that would have been a hard line to play against.

  • WaitingSince92

    It would be nice if any trade request voided an NTC. Unfortunately, it does not work that way.

    Don’t blame Spezza for exercising his NTC. It’s part of his contract and part of the CBA the union bargained for.

    Perfectly within his rights, just like Murray would be perfectly within his rights to force him to honour the last year of his contract.