Convincing Bobby Ryan

SensChirp May 23, 2014 560
Convincing Bobby Ryan

While Jason Spezza is going to grab all the headlines this summer, the Ottawa Senators have some other important business to take care of once July 1st rolls around. Entering the final year of his contract, signing Bobby Ryan to an extension will be high on Bryan Murray’s off season To Do list.

Bobby Ryan has indicated publicly that he has an interest in talking contract with the Senators and you would expect that’s a conversation Bryan Murray and his staff want to start as soon as possible.

Bobby Ryan made an impression on Ottawa fans in his first season in the Nation’s Capital. His numbers were a little lower than he would have liked (23 G 25 A 48 PTS) but a lot of that had to do with a sports hernia injury that was nagging him from November on.  Ryan found chemistry on a line with Clarke MacArthur and Kyle Turris, quickly becoming the go to line for the Senators. And with Spezza, Michalek and Hemsky all possibly on the way out, they’ll be relied on even more this coming season.

On a team that will be desperate to find goals from its wingers, Bobby Ryan is an extremely important piece to the puzzle moving forward.

I’ll say this- if the Senators enter this conversation talking budget and fitting Ryan into their current spending structure, you can kiss Bobby Ryan good bye. Ryan has enjoyed his time here in Ottawa. He likes the team, the city and the way he has been treated by the organization. But like most other professional hockey players, he likes winning. And he wants to get paid. No hometown discount. And no, being part of a rebuilding team.  It’s up to Murray and Melnyk to convince Ryan that this team’s priority is winning a Cup and that they see him as an important part of that process.

And it’s all that which has me a little nervous about this negotiation.

That said, Ottawa knows they have to find a way to get this done. After giving up a first round pick and two high end prospects to bring Ryan in, they can’t afford to lose him after a couple seasons. Murray knows that and hopefully Melnyk knows that too.

Ryan has been vocal about wanting to stay here in Ottawa. Now it’s up to Ottawa to prove they want him to stay. That process will start on July 1.

Do you think Bobby Ryan will sign an extension this summer?

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  • Dirk-Diggler

    I think he get’s $6.5M for 8 years… And the ‘C’

    • runningbear1974

      I hope so… I would be really happy with 6.5 million… I don’t know why players feel they need the maximum amount of money… It’s not like there’s anything they can’t buy…

      • SensChirp

        Haha that sounds like a line from Melnyk’s negotiation playbook.

        • runningbear1974

          It should be… It should be an indication of the character of the player… Someone was saying that Spezza has to think about his kids… Don’t worry, his kids will be rich too… It is much better to have grateful players, than entitled players…

          • SensChirp

            A couple years removed from a lockout, and an owner that already penny pinched the face of the franchise out of town- nobody is going to do him any favours.

            Ottawa is a lovely city and all but nobody is begging to play here. You gotta make them want to.

          • runningbear1974

            I don’t share the same opinion as most you guys… Alfie made over 60 million from us sens fans… We were more loyal to him than he was to us… What? He needed a couple of extra million for us to prove to him how special he is to us? Really? Money is the way to show appreciation? Maybe in his world… He ruined his own legacy… I don’t blame the owner… I don’t think Alfie has/ or has had the right emotional disposition to be 1) a leader 2) a winner… So, again… Lets move into the future… But, lets not get anymore skill… Lets go for character…
            In my opinion… It is a bad strategy to try and buy loyalty… There will be players who will be grateful for the opportunity, and for the challenge… Get those winners…
            If Ryan wants 10 million a year, than trade him… If he wants 6.5 – 7 million than keep him… Is he trying to get 10% more than he’s worth? Or willing to accept 10% less than he’s worth… Similarly, we have to trade Cowen because he wanted more money than he’s actually worth… He’s trying to get the most possible, that’s a warning sign… Get rid of him… Turris accepted less, and is working extra hard for it… Keep him… He’s the type we want… Not Cowen… Sorry ranting…

          • Jordan Hendren

            Where to start…
            1) Alfie was as loyal to us fans as we were to him, note the well documented “home town discounts” he gave the team, oh and how about deferring his salary when we couldn’t afford to pay him during the near bankruptcy years? It was only after the organization broke a promise to him that he left for greener pastures.
            2) I’m not going to get into your ridiculous assertions about Alfie’s leadership, unless you know him personally you’re not qualified to make judgements about his emotional discipline and all you’re doing is coming off as an extremely bitter fan.
            3) “Lets not get more skill, go for character”. Skill wins you hockey games. You can have all the Chris Neils or Mike Richards you want on a team, but you also need the Jeff Carters and the Marian Gaboriks to put the puck in the net to win games.
            4) “Turris accepted less”.. well actually, no he didn’t. When he signed that contract he had done nothing in the league, I think he had a career high of what, 40 pts? The contract only became an underpayment because of how his role on the team shifted, and the fact that he worked hard to be worth the money they bet on him. I’d not say that he took any kind of discount out of loyalty or character. The team gambled on his ability to raise his game, and he gambled on himself, so far it’s been a mutually beneficial arrangement.

          • runningbear1974

            1) He did sit out for more money… Did he get a “home town discount” with Melnyk? I don’t remember, he was getting 7million a year… He got plenty of money…
            2) I don’t really want to debate leadership either… It’s a complicated issue, and I know I don’t agree with most people…
            3) If can only get skill, or only character… Then choose character… I get countered with the exact same point… “You need skill”… I’m not a moron… I’m aware of that… But, skill with bad character hurts your team… Especially when you’re trying to build a team… Once you have a strong team with good character, then maybe you can add a skill guy with shit character…
            4) For some reason it’s obvious to me that Turris intended to prove that he’s worth that money… Whereas it’s not obvious from Cowen… There’s is zero indication that he worked out, or did anything beyond to get more… But, he believes he’s worth it…

          • Dirk-Diggler

            people aren’t passing to the puck to the nicest guy they know… they are passing it to the guy that can put it in the back of the net

          • Dirk-Diggler

            Enough with the Alfie shit talk… He gave us so much and it’s unfortunate for him that he failed to win his cup this year. Who knows if he’ll ever be back with the organization but just enjoy the time he was with us.

          • runningbear1974

            I’m sorry… I understand people want to do that, remember the good… I think of him as an ex-girlfriend who left me for some other guy…

          • Dirk-Diggler

            get a new girlfriend and love it more!

          • runningbear1974

            That is exactly my plan… Move on to the future… Because it looks brighter than the past ever did…

          • Tooks

            But remember your new GF will never be as good in bed as the old one was!! LOL

          • Dirk-Diggler

            You’re a sad man Tookie….

          • Tooks

            60Mil for the career he had is not alot. Considering what he’s done for the Franchise. You talk like 60Mil is alot, its not, to you and I YES to NHL Stars, nope.

          • KJ

            Sorry. I understand your argument here, but it is a fairy tell unfortunately. Think about your own situation. Would you accept less than what your worth to your current employer. I am willing to bet they won’t give you any discounts to stay. Why would any hockey player accept less than what they collectively bargained for? For loyalty? Oops. He just got traded. No thanks. The union also will have issues with it.

            Opposite side to your argument, but I agree that we are better served by players who want to be here. I have absolutely no doubt ottawa treats the players they do have first class. Above the salary, they are comp’ed for every team meal, hotel, and plane ride and get unbelievable benefits beyond their salary. But if I am in control, it’s not about fans, it’s about me and my family. That’s a reality fans don’t like.

          • Sandy

            So no Spezza, Hemksy or Michalek and then having to trade Ryan if he asks for ‘too much money’.. this team will be in big trouble both on the hockey end and the attendance end.
            Do you think the fans in this City will attend games to watch what will then become Edmonton Oilers East. Answer — they won’t.

          • Nancy Gibson

            Finally!!! Someone who agrees with me! Alfie said it’s because he wanted a cup…well, he didn’t get that either! I don’t think Cowen is good enough to stay nor Condra!

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Well, if we pay him $7M I wont be angry at all but I don’t think Ryan has done enough over his career to be a $7M a year player yet.

        • runningbear1974

          It’s weird the players get paid tons… Dustin Brown gets 5.8 million… So, at that rate, Ryan is worth at least 7 million… I hope he keeps it low…

    • EK65

      The C? No way.

      I think he’ll want a long term deal though and he’s definitely worth it. Maybe 6 or 7 years instead of 8 though.

      • Nancy Gibson

        I agree! Not the Captain…no way!

        • Spinorama

          I’m tired of this useless captain talk. I hope we go captainless so that leadership becomes a group thing. Not put on a certain individual. I hope Pmac considers if/when Spezza gets dealt.

  • Sicilian

    I think he’ll sign but we’ll pay more than we should

    • Doc

      How do you figure that?

      What “should” we pay him?

      • Sicilian

        I know this sounds nebulous but with all the negative press around signing recently + the cost to get Bobby in the first place. Murray will feel the pressure to sign and make it look like the best thing to happen to this org. I don’t have a $ for you but I’ll bet majority will think, “Wow, that was a lot. I hope it pans out” and not, “What a great deal for the Sens”

        • Doc

          I see.

          Hopefully that’s not the case, because he’s best scoring we’ve had on the team in a while. My guess is he gets fair market value or he walks.

    • runningbear1974

      Bobby Ryan doesn’t seem like a selfish guy… I’m hoping he’s looking for stability… So, hopefully willing to accept a bit less to get a guaranteed long term contract… I’m hoping he’s who I think he is… Lately some people who I thought I knew are not who I thought the were…

      • RUSH RLZ

        I got into some Twitter arguments with him during the lockout, and you better believe me, he drinks all the $$$ KoolAid that his agent feeds him. Down to the last drop.

        The fact he probably likes it here will play some sort of factor of course, but beyond that he is not looking for a discount.

        • Dirk-Diggler

          with who? If you are saying stupid stuff to players then you make us all look bad dude… Let these guys enjoy their life..

          • Tooks

            Players have a Twitter account, they are fair game.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            no they are not… send them positive stuff no problem… don’t send them shit though… What’s your twitter handle? Can we all critisize you all day everyday on that public forum?

          • RUSH RLZ

            Ryan and his shit agent Walsh were lamenting that under the last CBA that player salaries hadn’t gone up… so they brought the topic up, begging to be challenged, and I did. Propaganda to all the fans that follow them frankly.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            Ok that’s fair. In my opinion hockey players are still underpaid. If you look at all the abuse their bodies take and the average lifespan of their careers they don’t actually make a lot. Stars do get a lot of money but compared to the other pro sports it’s not much.

            Many factors in play though there… Don’t want to get into that can of worms…

          • RUSH RLZ

            Memory lane time, here we go! And this happened during the last lockout.

            This is what Walsh Tweeted and what Bobby retweeted:

          • TookieIs100PercentRight

            Yes, they are. If you are on social media then put the big boy pants on and get ready to take good and bad. It has a mute and block feature for the bad apples.
            TOOKS100% OUT!!!!

          • RUSH RLZ

            What are you, six? You have no idea what I said or not and I certainly didn’t “make us all” look bad. Dumbass.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            OK, what did you say to argue with a guy that’s as laid back as Ryan? And, I am sure that it wasn’t him tweeting at you in the first place… But, go on… enlighten me…

      • Tooks

        Its not about being selfish, its about being treated fairly. Sens have dropped the ball in the last few years. Bobby might want to test FA to see what he can get. He knows he wont get max dollar here in Ottawa, he might want to stay cuz of the chem with Turris or maybe he just likes Ottawa.

        He wont stay here for the money thats for sure.

    • Tooks

      We will pay fair market value. 6-7Mil.

      • TookieIs100PercentRight

        Bang on Tooks! 6.5 is where I had him pegged. Great analysis!
        TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!

  • Jordan Hendren

    I too am nervous about these negotiations. I don’t think anything has happened in B.Ryan’s tenure in Ottawa to make him think we’re either a) going to contend anytime soon, or b) be able to pay appropriate $$$ to deserving players.
    I mean hell, why in the world would YOU stay in Ottawa if you were a professional hockey player, and you could go to UFA next year? You could pretty much pick your destination and $ figure, like Philadelphia to play with Claude Giroux on a team that spends to the cap every year.
    I for one would not be shocked if Ryan is flipped this summer along with Spezza, and we lose Hemsky/Michalek. We can kiss the playoffs goodbye for the forseeable future.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      How far under the cap floor would we be if we traded both Spezza and Ryan. Also, the team couldn’t do that, it would be devastating to the fan base and the players. The fallout would crush the organization.

      • Nancy Gibson

        We will have to kiss Playoffs goodbye again!

        • Sandy

          … for many years.

      • Jordan Hendren

        I don’t think it would “crush” the organization, as long as we didn’t give him away for nothing. Plus after the Alfie fiasco, Paul MacLean’s regression, Melnyk’s whining, and now the Spezza “under the bus” narrative, aren’t you kind of used to the organization being in a death spiral that should devastate us fans… but somehow doesn’t?
        Sure we’d be a billion dollars under the floor, but we’d go out and sign some over the hill veterans, so that we end up $1 over the minimum. It wouldn’t be the end of the world, the team could continue to preach “hope for the future” the way the Islanders and Oilers do on a yearly basis.

      • Sandy

        Well .. if they won’t sign what are you going to do.. let them walk?
        If either of them go to UFA there will be teams.. and contending teams with money that the Sens can’t compete salary wise with or anywhere close to a playoff appearance

  • Hax

    With Melnyk around there are no guarantees, but I can’t see Murray making that trade if he didn’t feel he could get an extension done. Murray’s no fool. So I think this gets done. And if it doesn’t, it will be 100% thanks to Melnyk either directly screwing with the Ryan negotiations or indirectly via keeping Murray handcuffed.

  • Nancy Gibson

    I’d keep him,Speeza, Hemsky..get rid of Condra, Cowen…especially them and Michalek also!

    • Doc

      Not gonna happen.

      Your first two guys are as good as gone.

      • Nancy Gibson

        You think Hemsky too?? Does he want to go?

        • Doc

          I base my opinion on his exit interview with the media and his body language. Plus he seems keen to play with Spezza, so my guess is that if (when) Spezza is traded, Hemsky tests the FA market.

          • Nancy Gibson

            I find after last season, we had something good in those 2

        • EK65

          Yeah, Hemsky loves to greet people

          • Nancy Gibson

            Lol! Mistake!

  • RUSH RLZ

    Adding this here because… hey, new thread!

    Guys! I’ve probably pounded in 45 thousand votes for MacArthur alone
    at this point, but the clicks in Leafs nation are immense, we need some
    extra horsepower.

    All you need is a PC and a willingness to let it
    work when you are away from it, overnight etc. Let me know who wants to
    step up!

  • Kielbasa

    Right now this team feels like it is in a free fall. With all the question marks and uncertainties around this team, why would ANY of the key players want to stick around? The fan base is quick to back over any and every player at the drop of a hat. The owner seems to be running this team on quarters he finds beneath his couch cushions. Murray seems to have his hands tied when it comes to making this team an actual contender in any form. This entire organization is a depressing mess at the moment. At the rate we are going, we will be lucky to have a single line that is able to compete at a first line level. The remaining three are going to be filled with unproven AHL’ers and 3rd/4th liners at best.

    So honestly, I would love to know peoples opinions here on why anyone would want to play for the Sens and this city? What do the Sens have that anyone would want to stick around for?

    • Senatollah

      Thats all very doom and gloom but look at the facts of the last two seasons.
      2 years ago the team makes the playoffs with those AHL’ers and 3rd/4th liners for most of the season and yes if the season was a week longer they probably miss the playoffs. But in the playoffs anything can happen and they go to the second round.
      Last year, IF Bobby Ryan from November on was healthy he alone could have been a difference maker in helping the team earn 3 more wins. That’s it. 3 wins and in the playoffs.
      So yes the team had their goaltenders regress statistically, yes the defense was shit at times/most times, yes there were blowouts against that hurt the fan base emotionally, but overall this team finished the year close to making the playoffs.

      I expect those remaining on the team will be better next year. I think Bobby might like the opportunity to be that leader for the team, to be that first line player he always dreamed of and he has two line mates that compliment him. He didn’t have that in Anaheim, big risk to find it elsewhere.

      • WaitingSince92

        I don’t think he was talking so much about the play, which we all realise was bad, but at the damage done to the franchise. The team is one thing, but we used to have a reputation – as a smart organization that pays and treats its players fairly and is working towards, or is in, contention – which has now completely gone down the shitter.

        It’s a pretty big deal, especially if you’ve followed the franchise since their return to the league was announced.

        • WaitingSince92

          Hard to think we would’ve missed the playoffs, had we retained Alfie…

          • Hax

            True but then this coming season would be the one with the whole “what’s our identity now that Alfie’s gone” and a new captain being broken in. I still love Alfie but we weren’t winning a cup before he retires (well, unless he plays 3 more years) and the first year without him was always going to be a struggle – so better to get it over with IMO.

            Could have been handled A LOT better of course.

        • Tooks

          ^100%^

          • TookieIs100PercentRight

            100% agree Tooks! That could have gone a WHOLE lot better!
            TOOKS100% OUT!!

        • Senatollah

          So since we’ve been following the team since it was announced are you referring to the times when players didn’t want to play here because:
          a) expansion team in canada era
          b) due to the coaches pushing the players beyond their rights under the CBA (i.e. the JMartin extra calisthenics, which did become a league wide mockery)
          c) or the period after that with the parties and the rampant drug use and with a GM bait and switching its star player out of town.

          Think all teams have peaks and valleys. Maybe look at Chicago as an example. Could provide more examples.

          Its really only been recently, since Murray became GM that players being dealt had some influence on where they were going, where there has been opportunities for those in the minors to develop and battle for roster spots at training camp, and the dollar hitting par making the tax hit less of a disparity for UFAs.

    • runningbear1974

      Most players wont want to come here… They will either want to go home, go to a big market, or go to a cup contending team…
      The players who might want to come here are the 2nd tier players who aren’t sure about their future and would like a bit of stability, and to go to a place where they might be a part of the core…

    • spezzerman

      Erik Karlsson,

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      Ottawa is a nice city to raise a family, the media are pretty much lapdogs for the team and there’s no pressure to produce, as a player or GM. It’s pretty much easy street.

  • John Holmes

    Couldn’t think up a Saving Private Ryan title?

    • RUSH RLZ

      Shaving Ryan’s Privates?

    • SensChirp

      Even Convincing Bobby Ryan would have worked, kinda. Damn it. Missed opportunity.

      • John Holmes

        You have another month.

      • WaitingSince92

        I even would have accepted Lobby for Bobby

  • peetypuck

    Money talks…

  • Hax

    All of the concerns raised by Chirp are valid as well as the concerns of fans in general. But keep in mind that Bobby himself hasn’t said or done anything that appears selfish or unhappy. He’s even gone out of his way to show how happy he is to be here. Starting with the “who am I” videos he did last summer and including all of his answers when asked about extending.

    Not saying it’s not worth discussing or worrying about, but I for one am going to wait until we’re a few days into July before I even start to worry. I think the org will really push hard to have an extension done as early as possible so they can announce it and (hopefully) start building some good vibes in the city again.

    • Jordan Hendren

      Here’s the thing though, does a player really need to be selfish or unhappy to not want to sign a contract extension?
      Is it really selfish to want to see what you’re worth on the open market? Or to maybe want to pick where you build and house your family?
      I would think it’s only natural to want to have options and input into these decisions, though it may seem selfish to us, since we have so much invested in the players.
      The only think I can’t get behind is when a player strings an organization along with vague promises and then that organization loses him for nothing, or misses an opportunity to get something for him, which it doesn’t seem that Bobby would do.

      • Hax

        Totally agree – not suggesting that moving on (Jason or possibly Bobby) equates to selfishness. Bobby’s getting a bit more experience in the world having played in two very different cities now and different conferences etc. So if over the past year he’s figured out that he’d really be happier playing elsewhere then that’s fine (though it sucks for us). If Ryan decides he doesn’t want to sign an extension based on that line of thinking I can respect that. But if he basically is willing to stay but only for a crazy amount then that’s different.

        Of course we’ll never really know for sure if that ends up happening (rumors only).

    • WaitingSince92

      I hope so too, but Eugene has surprised me at times…

    • Tooks

      He did voice his displeasure in seeing less ice time when coach Mac had em playing 12 minutes a game…Could be related to the injury tho.

  • WaitingSince92

    Alfie left and fans managed to stomach it (OK, maybe we regurgitated it and swallowed our own vomit a few times).

    If Ryan leaves because we don’t offer him enough $, I feel like it’s going to have serious repercussions in the fan base.

    We’ve lost a lot of our reputation, but we can’t let ourselves slide to the point of the Isles or Panthers.

    • Tooks

      I dont think anyone can slide to NYI levels….But I think FLA is taking great steps in making it a place players want to play, not only cuz of the weather but they are building a nice and fast team who wants to compete hard. I think we are in the same boat, sure we dont have the top picks they have but we have our own mid level picks and a few acquired players that have the potential to make us competitive everynight.

  • A-Train

    I’m in the camp who thinks an extension gets done. But as we saw last summer, anything can happen.

    So what’s Murray’s Plan B if negotiations don’t go well as of July 1?

    Let it go till next season’s deadline? Or swing a deal this summer?

  • Jakester

    I hope Bobby signs. Otherwise its Bobby and Boro for Couturier and Read!

    • Tooks

      Hmm that would be an interesting trade!

  • A-Train

    One angle people often forget is that the players are part of a union. When one player signs a big contract, it’s good for everyone….and not just the stars.

    That’s one reason Alfie was embarrassed by the $1M season. He’s tight with the NHLPA.

    It’s nice to imagine a star signing a below market value deal for the love of the game or the city. But he’ll have more than just his accountant calling if he does it.

    • Hax

      Great point. From a union perspective, other members can understand/respect a player taking a small haircut on a contract if there are valid and obvious reasons. i.e. Crosby could have probably fought for more money but the combination of the “87″ element as well as leaving some money for a supporting cast made it acceptable that he didn’t push for more (not that he didn’t get a lot).

      So while Bobby might not push for max dollars he’s not going to take an amount that people will classify as “well below market value”.

      • Tooks

        What do you all think Bobby is worth? I say close to 6-7Mil, nothing less.

        • WaitingSince92

          I’m thinking he’ll get $6, maybe $6.5. I’ll be surprised if he pries $7m from us, not because he isn’t worth it though.

          Eugene will tell Bryan to offer him $40 Canadian tire money and a gift certificate for Walmart.

          • Tooks

            Yeah I could see 6.5Mil, Euge will find out soon enough that IF he doesnt pay his players fair money, he’s gonna be out of a team real soon.

          • CR Sens

            That last line was gold!

    • Dirk-Diggler

      The Alfie contract was the first one to mess with the salary cap. It was never intended to be played in the final year anyway. He shouldn’t be embarassed by the final year at $1M. I am actually glad that the NHL put in the cap recapture penalties to force guys like Luongo etc to play out their deals.

      All players should be paid their fair share. If Ryan is an $8M a year player then pay him that way (he is not though). Players should only consider a small discount if they are going to a team that spends every last cent and is committed to putting the best possible lineup that can win a cup. Right now Ottawa isn’t in that spot so no point of asking him to take a deal just so that we can still not spend on people to support him properly.

      • Hax

        The only thing I slightly disagree with here is that I think there are other valid reasons for players to take a SMALL haircut beyond just “otherwise we can’t fit you under the cap”.

        Especially when talking about extensions where a player has already settled in a city and maybe has family to consider as well.

        It’s hard to imagine being offered millions of dollars per year for a “job” but I would think if it were me I’d rather play in Ottawa for $6M per year than Buffalo for $7M per yer (for example). But if Buffalo offered $9M per year then that’s different and pretty hard to resist.

        • Dirk-Diggler

          Players live in the city for 7 months and typically go home for the remaining parts. I don’t think a lot of teams have a tough time getting players anymore, it’s all about money. Players get their homes built exactly how they want them and communities are always welcoming with open arms is you perform to your contract. It’s when you underperform that things take a nasty turn.

          Buffalo actually is a fun city. It may not be the greatest one but it has it’s strengths. I really hope Patty Kane goes back home when he becomes a UFA. He’s still a huge Sabres fan and if he has already won 3 or maybe 4 cups by next summer then maybe he wants to go back home and win one for his friends, family and himself in Buffalo!

          • Hax

            Just used Buffalo as an example. I’ve actually been there a bunch of times (well Depew actually) but given they’re a ways away from competing that’s why I tossed that out there.

      • sbs138

        in your opinion, Is fat Phil Kessel an 8mil player?

    • spezzerman

      I disagree. Large contracts for one player takes away from what is available for the 3rd and 4th liners. Don’t see how that helps them at all.

      And Alfie signed the contract. Why do that if he was embarrassed by it? He also made 7 million in the first year, well above market value.

      • FistsofNeil25

        He made an average of 4.85 million on every year of that contract. That was well below market value for every single on of those seasons.

      • WaitingSince92

        Gotta say, A-Train is right on this one, spezzerman. Because the cap increases, ALL players (3rd/4th liners and superstars alike) need to push full market value. When someone making $5-9m does it, it actually increases the wage (slowly, over time) of guys earning $1-3m.

        It’s pretty much just compensating for an inflating cap. If you don’t believe me that even 3rd and 4th liners think this way, just ask any agent. Don’t believe them, look at salaries from previous years. Or recall everything that’s come out about how the union felt when Alfie signed that contract.

        • spezzerman

          ya, fair enough.

    • Tooks

      100% he takes on a contract that is widely known to have been to help the Sens out financially and then they go and lowball him, in hopes he takes another cut for the teams sake. He’s done more than enough to warrant his lowly 60Mil over his career, he well deserved 6Mil for 2 years on Leadership alone, nevermind his 50pts he could contribute.

      Of course he was embarrassed and rightfully so.

  • Tooks

    It wont be too hard to convince him, gets more ice time and bigger role with the club, done! Its how long he stays after he’s promised we will improve and we dont.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    It honestly better…. If we drop the ball here again… We will become a laughing stock.

    • Sandy

      Exactly.

      What’s the penalty for not spending to the cap floor? Loss of draft picks…?

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Chirp. Can you institute a Tookie free week? C’mon man he’s going to only say negative shit all summer about every Sens player and ruin things for everyone… He infects every blog. Out of the 100 posts he makes maybe 4-5 of them are worth listening to. The rest is just noise.

    • Tooks

      As I read this, “Cry me a river” from JT is playing on the radio, lol.

      I dont read half of your comments and it works just fine for me.

    • WaitingSince92

      He may be constantly negative, but I’d say 80% of is is warranted given the state of our franchise. Personally, I’d rather read his posts than someone praising management for stupid decisions. Way too many fans who won’t say anything bad about their franchise. In the last few years, we’ve had a lot of short comings and your team won’t progress anywhere unless you’re honest about them.

      • Tooks

        I do admit I like to get a rise out of some people here but its not my general thought process. I like hockey in general, I have a few fav teams and Ottawa IS in there cuz I live here and like to help the team out, going through the early years to the new Era Sens of 12 straight playoff appearances but now after 2007, with Melnyk its seems to have gone downhill from those glory days.

        I see and watch alot of hockey and can compare and look at the Sens with un-biased eyes, even tho I do like them alot, I wont pass over the bad just cuz I cheer for them. Yeah we have Turris, CMac, Karlsson and few other pieces but its nowhere near what we need to win and be a consistent contender.

        Even our prospect pool is weak in terms of top end players, sure we can make a team of 2nd-3rd liners but that wont work for very long, we need those top end players to win Cups.

  • BMurray

    With Elliott signing with the blues and Miller on his way out, can you see a Anderson trade to the blues for Allen+Pick or prospect to have make MORE cap room. Can see Lehner/Allen tandem next year. Can see Spezza and Andersoon move next year. I think this will make 6.5 million to Booby more favorable and get are young guns going…

    • Tooks

      Allen is the future of the Blues in nets, they wont trade him for a vet, when they already have Elliott. Its probably gonna be Elliott/Allen next year with Allen taking over in a year or 2.

      • BMurray

        Bishop was their future, im not sure they see Allen as a future blues because why go out of your way to get miller and ofer him a contract. I think Andersson to Blues is plausible and would make sense

        • Tooks

          They got Miller cuz they wanted a Cup, it failed miserably, I doubt they do the same mistake again with Anderson…

          Bishop wasnt in the picture much with the Blues, he’s been passed over by several teams, must be something he does or doesnt do?

          • Sandy

            He’s a Vezina candidate. I think he does things pretty well and on top of that seems like a nice guy. His game fell off at the end of the season due to a wrist injury..

        • MethotToMyMadness

          They were ok moving Bishop, because Allen was in the system and Bishop was ready then. And at the time they had one of the best Goalie tandem’s with Halak and Elliot, which I don’t think they actually expected to happen. Ottawa made out well in that move, but soon faced the same situation with Anderson, Lehner and Bishop, and we all know what happened.

    • Jakester

      if you call him Booby again he might Bolt!

      • BMurray

        true story

    • FistsofNeil25

      Allen has like 10 times more trade value than Anderson. Young goalies with franchise potential are rarely ever moved. Veterans like Anderson are dealt all the time, usually for 3rd or 4th round picks.

      Guys like Allen, Gibson, Lehner are the ones that teams like to hold on to.

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      ALLEN pleae pleae please. Guy is fron NEw Brunswick. What does that have to do? Well…one of my best buds and HUGE SEns fan is an Acadian. And he brings ALPINE when he visits Ottawa. If we get Allen that means MORE BEER! :D
      TOOKS100%OUT!!!!!!

  • FistsofNeil25

    I’m actually really nervous for this contract negotiation. I think we can sign him. I think he wants to be here. I imagine a deal will get done no problem this summer. The part that worries me is how big this contract is going to be.

    Ottawa has very little power in these negotiations. We either pay Bobby what he wants or there’s no reason for him to stay here. After losing big names like Hossa, Chara, Alfie, Heatley, and now Spezza, losing Ryan would just be another black mark on this floundering organization. Considering what we gave up to acquire him, Murray has no option but to either sign him or trade him. With Spezza on the block there’s no way Bobby joins him.

    I’ve already accepted the fact that we’ll likely overpay just to keep him here, and I suppose at this point I’m okay with that. The Sens need to rebuild their reputation, and paying up for Bobby Ryan will be a big part of that.

    I think in a perfect world, Bobby would come in around $6 000 000 for five or six seasons. I think that would be a fair and reasonable contract for both sides, but because we’re the Ottawa Senators, it will likely end up being $7 000 000 for six or seven years.

    • Tooks

      I really think Bobby will go for shorter term than 6-7-8 years. He’s gonna want to test FA when he hits 30+, especially IF he’s had good seasons in Ottawa.

      I think he goes for 4 years at 6.5Mil. He probably has a team he really wants to play for towards the end of his career and this 4 year term gives him that option. It also doesnt lock him up longterm on a team that cant spend to get better.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I actually really hope you’re right about that. A 3 or 4 year contract would be perfect. I don’t think he’s the type of player that will be worth big money when he’s 32 or 33 years old.

        Four years at $6 500 000 would be great!

    • Senatollah

      Don’t forget Straka and Demitra from that list of big names.

      • WaitingSince92

        Havlat too! Him and Chara were cap casualties that first year.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      We as fans worry too much about what the Sens are going to offer him based on some budget none of us really no nothing about. We are all a bunch of armchair GM’s talking about how a certain million is a million to much. Seriously, we have no control over that and honestly, I could care less if it’s a million less or a million more. The bottom line, if the Sens don’t pay his asking price, another team will… and that team will benefit greatly.

      The Sens need to man up and sign the players that are going to make this franchise great. Players, who we expect to be the best on this team, such as Bobby, are going to be paid the best. It’s a fact of life and sport.

      • sprucesens

        yeah, I’m not worried about the team not offering bobby what he’s worth. And it will be in the 7+ range. You don’t get a long term contract for a 30 goal scorer at 6 or less. As much as we all think top players are 6-7 mill and your 60 point guys are 5 mill, that’s just not the league anymore. 8-9 mill for top players(Crosby, toews) whereas goal scorers in the 30 range are in the 7-8, and top 60-70 type guys are in the 6′s. As much as we like to think players are overpaid at X dollars, bottom line is revenues are up, so salaries go up. Then cap goes up. And the floor. We’ll pay him what he’s worth, but if its long term, wouldn’t see less than 7, and wouldn’t be shocked for it to be 8 mill per. Having said that, if we can’t get it done, I will lose a lot of faith in this organization. Spezza being traded is ok, because we’ve had our chances with him, and it is time to move on. Alfie did well, and should have been paid, but I feel there was more at play than just the money. So those 2 I can handle. But if traded for a top talent, and we don’t sign him after that, then I will just lose my @#$#

        • FistsofNeil25

          I think you’re overrating Ryan a bit. He’s no better than he was when he signed his last contract that paid him $5 000 000 per season. Yes that cap has gone up, but that doesn’t mean he should be getting a two or three million dollar raise per season.

          I take James Neal as a good comparable actually. Before the new CBA, he signed a 6 year contract @ $5 000 000 per season. Now under the new CBA, does that mean his value is 7-8 million like you claim Ryan’s is? I sure don’t think so. I think 6-6.5 million is reasonable. Ryan isn’t a superstar. Paying him close to $8 000 000 per season on a long-term deal would be a terrible mistake.

          So who are some big name players that have signed contracts under the new CBA that we can compare Ryan with?

          Malkin @ 8 years $9 500 000 per
          Perry @ 8 years $8 650 000 per
          Giroux @ 8 years $8 275 000 per
          Getzlaf @ 8 years $8 250 000 per
          Kessel @ 8 years $8 000 000 per
          Sedin’s @ 4 years $7 000 000 per
          Thornton @ 3 years $6 750 000 per
          Marleau @ 3 years $6 666 667 per

          So that’s the list of highest contracts signed under the new CBA, with the expectation that the cap would go up to around 70 million per season and contracts are to have a maximum length of 8 years.

          Does Ryan belong in that group of elite earnings? I don’t think so. He’s a good player but if we sign him to a comparable contract to Kessel we will absolutely regret it. I think $6 500 000 per season is very reasonable.

      • Sandy

        The budget is 56M last season and will be again this season… That’s all I need to know..

  • senate19

    Did someone on twitter today say that Alfredsson was meeting with Sens’ doctors today?

    • Doc

      I don’t know, did they?

      • senate19

        They might have

        • Doc

          It’s a possibility.

          • senate19

            No Look Drop Pass @BrianJKemp
            Follow
            @sens_adnan @TravisHeHateMe
            Someone posted on the RSU FB page that Alfie was in town to meet with the Senators medical staff…

            And go!

          • Doc

            Nice find!

            But man, can’t wait to see what sort of speculation this will bring…

          • senate19

            I’m sure Chirp will get to the bottom of it

          • A-Train

            I still say Steve Lloyd’s tweet earlier this week was hinting at something like this.

          • FistsofNeil25

            There’s no way.

          • A-Train

            God knows what’s become of his house…now The Lehner’s Lair.

          • Tooks

            I’m feeling all fuzzy inside…Could it be..

          • senate19

            What was his tweet?

          • A-Train

            Steve Warne actually…

            Steve Warne™‏@TSNSteve
            Sens will be busy July 1st. They’re also in rebuild mode with reputation. Not keeping Alfie happy didn’t sit well with a lot of players.

          • senate19

            THE PLOT THICKENS!

          • Doc

            TEHN TEHN TEHHHHHHHN!!

            *dramatic music*

          • FBP

            I read this as a pessimist. I thought he meant other players besides Spez wanted out.

            It does make more sense reading it as we’re implying here.

            I refuse to get my hopes up with anything off-season Sens related after the onslaught of brutal PR the org. spouted throughout this past season.

          • WaitingSince92

            I was thinking we could really use a veteran leader that doesn’t eat balls all game like Phillips ie someone who is actually useful.

            Perhaps Alfie knows of someone who could fit the bill…

          • Doc

            I love that no one responded with any facts. or follow-up.

          • senate19

            I’m actually pretty surprised, too. Surely someone out there, Dave or any other insiders would hop on this speculation

          • Doc

            The fact that it was one post on the RSU Facebook page (lol…) tells me all I need to know.

          • senate19

            It does beg the question though, if they are trying to fix the PR issue, and Alfie did only sign one year with Detroit – he hasn’t retired, surely there’s still potential for something like this to happen

          • Doc

            There’s always a possibility, but to be honest I think that bridge was burnt.

            The fact that they would be willing to bring him back (if that was the case) would only confirm that they know they f-ed up and are trying to save face.

          • Sandy

            That would be considered tampering, I believe. He’s still the property of Detroit.. so he could not come into Ottawa to meet with Sens medical staff.. Bull..

        • RUSH RLZ

          Yeah! We can keep extend Spezza, re-sign Hemsky, sign Ryan long term, bring back Alfie, sign Stastny and Pitkanen! We are set!

          • FistsofNeil25

            You had me until Pitkanen lol

          • WaitingSince92

            Maybe we can get a time machine and take Pitkanen from 10 years ago.

          • sprucesens

            i assume you meant niskanen?

          • RUSH RLZ

            YES SORRY!

          • Sandy

            Who’s paying the salary? That would put the Sens over budget..

        • WaitingSince92

          Maybe? It’s a done deal! Start the mill.

    • WaitingSince92

      Look what you’ve started!

      Cheeky bunch of fans though – some of the responses to this are pretty funny!

      • senate19

        Man, this organization could right so many wrongs by bringing Alfie back for a year

        • MethotToMyMadness

          It definitely would heal a few of the wounds left by Spezza when he heads out the door.

          • Tooks

            Some but the damage is already done, its a year too late. We could have done some crazy miraculous playoff push last year with Alfie and Spezza. Now I doubt we can bring back both.

            CMac Spezza Alfie
            Michalek Turris Ryan
            Hoffman Zibanejad Stone
            Greening Smith Neil
            Condra

          • Senatollah

            if sens had Alfie they would have kept Silfverberg too

          • Tooks

            Nah Silf still goes in the Package for Ryan.

          • Senatollah

            lol, nope

          • Doc

            Pretty sure he does. He was the centerpiece going back.

            They initially wanted Silf + Zibby, so Murray offered Noesen and our first. Silf was going either way.

        • A-Train

          It’s interesting to think about. So Alfie signs, he does a joint press conference with Melnyk where they bury the hatchet publicly and admit what happened a year ago was a mistake. Alfie wears the ‘C’ and retires a Senator.

          Do all the parties have that in them? How would fans react?

          I’m highly dubious…..

          • senate19

            I like the way that plays out, and I think it gets 100% fan support. The saddest part is Spezza’s gone – or it’s the best part if he stays and we make another go at it

          • senate19

            I can see it – Bettman hands the cup to Spezza, and Spezza tells Alfie to go grab it first. Yup.

          • A-Train

            Spezza drop-passes the Cup to Alfie maybe?

          • CUP 2014-15

            LOL,

          • WaitingSince92

            no-look?

          • A-Train

            That’s kind of how I picture it. The ultimate F-U to his haters….

          • Tooks

            Eyes closed, all chem!

          • Tooks

            Lots of IF’s but even I can say this would be amazing, spine tingling moment.

          • Tooks

            Haha Melnyk wont ever do that, he’s way too proud, he would never admit the fault was on him or Management.

          • senate19

            I think he signed a two-year contract with Detroit, too, so not sure how it would work out – maybe a conditional pick or something

          • FistsofNeil25

            It was only 1 year.

          • senate19

            I stand corrected – thanks!

          • Sandy

            But it was.. everyone knows it was..

          • WaitingSince92

            I think that’s a little too-good-to-be-true. Pie in the sky. Fairy tale etc.

            Let’s also trade Greening for Crosby.

          • Tooks

            Hmm dont know how fast Crosby is but Greening is a bullet! PIT might have to add to that if they want our Colgate Rocket!

        • Tooks

          Season tickets just went up by 2000!

  • CUP 2014-15

    Thanks for the overtime through the playoffs Chirp. I can.t see Murray letting this thing get to training camp without a deal. I would think they tie Ryan up long term regardless of the cost and others may have to pay the price if the dollars are higher then BM has budgeted for. Every team has bad contracts that can’t be moved and at least this teams bad ones are on the very low end in Greening and Phillips. The floor presents a problem if Spezz, Hemsky. Milo and Anderson all get sent packing. So many young guys under EL’s and then you have Turris at a bargain along with CMac. Even 6.5 for Karl is a good buy. I have to think that if the floor is in the 60M range, the Sens will need to pay Ryan and still sign a overpriced UFA or two. Tough watching the Habs, I want them to loose but want Tokarski to win, LOL. Wonder how Bob Mac Kenzie feels this morning after saying Tokarski was going nowhere and that his career had peaked in JR. and that he was just the best of a bad lot of Canadian goalies at the world juniors.

    • Tooks

      On Tokarski, he won 1 game, lets not get all excited for the guy. MacK is right tho, he aint going nowhere, especially with Price in MTL. IF he wins the series than ya, MacK will look stupid but I doubt it.

      • CUP 2014-15

        Obviously his career didn’t peak in JR, so how is MacK right?

        • Tooks

          Well to begin with he couldnt crack a weak G depth in Tampa. Now in MTL he probably will never have a shot at #1 with Price holding it down.

          He’s probably gonna get traded again, MTL is hoping for a good playoff showing, 1. to save their playoff hopes and 2. to up his value so some sucker takes him.

          Pretty sure MacK has it right.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Sooooo playing JR is a higher accomplishment then being first star in a playoff game at Madison Square? LOL, You just get more ridiculous by the post. HAHAHAHAHA

          • Tooks

            OMG did he get 1st Star? OMG OMG…He must be an NHL #1 Goalie, quick buyout Price and give the kid the reigns! HAHAHAHAHA

            Cant argue with that…

          • CUP 2014-15

            Love how you will continue to argue a point when your so far off, you still stand by junior being higher then then NHL well that’s OK, your that type we all know about, if you got around a pro you would go on about how you played junior B but man it was outstanding JR B.

          • Tooks

            What the hell are you talking about?

            Tokarski will never be a #1 in the NHL. Thats what MacK is insinuating, meaning yeah he can play in the NHL for a game or 2 or even be a back up but he’ll never be a #1 goalie.

          • CUP 2014-15

            No it’s not what BMacK was talking about. He said flat out before the U.S.A game that his career had peaked and that it was at a dead end. The fact he has won a caldar and is now playing in the NHL shows how stupid that comment was and the fact anyone would even say that about a 19 year old representing his country is idiotic. The fact that you can even argue this is insane but then again me arguing with you is insane as you will always believe you are right 100% of the time. So to be clear, being a back up in the NHL, you would still stand behind his career having peaked in JR. ?

    • Sandy

      If the refs were half-way capable of doing their job — there would have been a 5 min PP for the Rangers in the first period, and the game probably would have ended much differently.. Woulda, coulda, shoulda

  • esk

    BRING BACK ALFIE!!

  • sbs138

    Does Bobby looks at the Jason Spezza situation and wonder why he would want out. then think to himself “why do I want to play here if a player like Spezza has asked to be traded?”.
    These players all talk, and I wonder if any of the reason that Spezza has for requesting a trade has to do the conversation that Alfie said he had with Jason last year when he told him that he wouldn’t be back. what did Alfie tell him?

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Bobby ryan is basically the polar opposite of Spezza… Works hard, back checks… Don’t think he is too concerned with what Spezza is doing

      • sbs138

        their style of play has nothing to do with what I was saying.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Sure it does… Spezza doesn’t like to play hard d.. He wants to coast around and score points… Nothing wrong with that, it just isn’t what our team is going for so he doesn’t fit into our plans, and we don’t fit into his.

          • Tooks

            Well he fit real well when we were going to the playoffs every year…I wonder what changed.

          • Jakester

            He became even softer than he was back then dude! He had Alfie doing all the heavy lifting for him back then.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Other than doing this with a fair bit more class I think this situation echos Heatley a tonne.

          Both players weren’t happy with the way the team was being ran and how they were being used.

          On that topic I wonder if a team tries to reunite those two… Can’t deny that they were both at their best together

          • Tooks

            Can the Wild even add another 7Mil, LOL.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Lol. Heatley is Ufa this year

          • sbs138

            dude, you don’t comprehend what you read. he’s saying the Wild bring in Spezza to play with Heater. but yes, they’d need to resign him first.

      • runningbear1974

        Spezza might be a factor towards his decision, but in a positive way… He might be thinking if they’re getting rid of Spezza then they are really committed to winning and not running some kind of country club…

    • Rafi Bomb

      To your first question the answer would be no. The factors that would influence whether Ryan wants to stay here or not is:
      1.Does he and his wife enjoy the city and want to live here long term?
      2.Does he feel that he has been treated well by the organization and that he is a vital member of this team moving forward?
      3. Does he feel this organization has a lot to offer him in regards to developing him into and allotting him the opportunities to become the player he feels he is capable of becoming?
      4. Does he have a positive relationship with Paul MacLean?
      5. Does he feel this organization is moving in the right direction?
      6. Does he have confidence in Bryan Murray’s ability to turn this team into a legitimate Stanley Cup contender?
      7. Does he have positive relationships with various players in the dressing room?
      8.Does he have any conflict with any staff or players?
      9.Does he have on ice chemistry with any of the players?
      10. Is the organization offering him a contract that he deems to be of fair value?

      Spezza requesting for a trade mostly comes down to the fact that MaLean wants the Sens to play a hard 200 foot game with a strong commitment to the defensive zone and puck retrieval. In order to be successful at that he needs his captain to embody that. Spezza simply doesn’t play that style of game and isn’t comfortable adapting.

      Alfie left in part for the same issues that Murray sees with this team currently. There is a distinct lack of competition level and intensity requisite to succeed in the playoffs. Murray has now requested from Dorion and Lee that those are the only players he wants at this point whether that be through the draft, trades or free agency. If they can’t raise their game in key games or in the playoffs then he doesn’t want them. This will lead to a bit of an overhaul of our current roster.

      • Jakester

        I read this earlier at work and dude you nailed it!

    • Tooks

      Yes despite their different playing styles, I’m pretty sure Bobby has had thoughts or concerns as to why Alfie and Spezza have departed (or about to) so suddenly… I mean IF I was about to sign a big contract I would want to know the situation of the club and its owners, also speak to teammates or former teammates to get a sense of hot they got treated.

      • sbs138

        thank you for understanding what I was saying. I’m sure that other roster players look at this and wonder if there is more to it as well. and how much of it can clearly be pointed directed at Eugene?

      • runningbear1974

        I wonder if most players feel they were treated special… Or whether they feel they got short changed… Alfie and Spezza expect more… O’Brien can’t be happy with how he was treaded… Same with Latendresse… Regin might have mixed emotions… I wonder how Michalek feels, or Phillips..
        My guess is most players feel they are treated very nicely… Only those that feel they deserve more would have an issue…

    • runningbear1974

      Does that mean if Ryan signs with us, that he is choosing Melnyk and Maclean over Spezza and Alfie? It seems if Spezza wants to leave he’s choosing Alfie over Melnyk…

    • runningbear1974

      I think Ryan already knows why Spezza wants out… He would have seen him all year, he would have heard everything said… I wonder who’s friends with who… After spending a full year with the sens, who is Ryan friends with?
      My take is people like Spezza, but they don’t love him… Whereas I think people love Turris…. I don’t know why I feel that way, but something about his personality… I also think Zibanejad is a lovable guy…

  • Mr Hockey

    Don’t want to crush anyones dreams but Alfredsson is signed for another year with Detroit, so it’d have to be a trade..
    **aaannd that’s not true.. I am wrong

    • Doc

      He’s not. It was a one year deal.

      Although I do agree that he’s not coming back.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      Well Mr Hockey I am not sure you are correct here… Just an FYI, he’s a UFA in a month..

    • Doc
  • spezzerman

    One thing for sure, if Bobby Ryan signs with the Sens it goes a long way in telling us just how the players feel about being in Ottawa. I think we will all breathe a little easier if/when he does.

  • ProfessorPower

    Bobby Ryan will sign, I don’t doubt it at all. If he for some reaon doesnt want to play here sign and trade him to Philly for Simmonds +.

    Im still waiting on the Spezza deal lol If we do make a trade with the Ducks and get our 10th overall pick it may be worth while flipping that pick for a ready now player. Lets say we get Etem + DSP + 10th, if we don’t drool over the player in the 10 spot I say try to make a deal for Bieksa, possibly add Gryba or something.

    This basically gives us Etem + DSP + Bieksa(or whoever else we would want to target) for Spezza. Next we get rid of Condra and Greening for picks or better yet flip one of them for Kyle Clifford.

    I still think we land C. Stewart somehow; maybe Prince + Wiercioch for Stewart at 50%

    a scenario like this gets us Etem DSP Stewart Clifford and Bieksa

    Macarthur-Turris-Ryan
    Etem-Zibanejad-Stewart
    SmithPelly-Lazar-Stone
    Clifford-Smith-Neil
    Hoffman/Pageau

    Methot-Karlsson
    Cowen-Bieksa
    Philips-Ceci
    Boro

    The best part is this roster is around 54 mil

  • sbs138

    our resident Habs fan here at work just came over to talk and mentioned how the Gryba hit on Eller was a headshot, while the Prust hit on Stepan was clean, but late. laughable.

    • CUP 2014-15

      Gryba hit was clean, regardless of the suspension, there are still tons of footage and commentary in regards to the hit. In regards to Prust’s hit, how does Stepan end up with a fractured jaw on a clean but late hit? what a joke.

      • sbs138

        he says it was from a hit later in the game where Stepan misses Emelin and hit his face on the dasher board.

        • CUP 2014-15

          LOL, Please don’t laugh at him, he needs help. that would be a first, an NHL player fracturing his jaw on a missed hit and it happens to be the same guy that took a dirty late hit. We will have to see how the suspension goes today.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Just overheard an interesting conversation of some guy at the hair dressers(apparently he is a strength and conditioning trainer for one of the clubs… Couldn’t figure out if he was talking about the 67s or Sens), but he said that Alfie was definitely here and met with doctors… And that it wasn’t the first time he’s been here since his season ended.

    • Hax

      I’m sure his personal doctor is here – unlikely that he’d change doctors after moving when he’s got team doctors when he needs them.

      I’m guessing this is just a regular check up and nothing more.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Tend to agree… I am fairly certain that the ship has sailed with Alfie

        • Hax

          Well really, unless the Wings gave permission to the Sens he couldn’t be here for an “official” physical anyway. And we’d have heard if the Wings had given Ottawa permission to talk to Alfie.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Good point

    • CUP 2014-15

      If the guy was around 6’3 in amazing shape, dark hair, then that could be Chris, Strength and conditioning coach for the Sens otherwise ????

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Couldn’t tell his height was sitting down, but he was pretty jacked

    • Rafi Bomb

      There is no chance that Alfie is coming back. There is simply too big of a risk for this organization. With Alfie leaving last summer and the Sens trading Spezza this one, the probability that this turns into a complete fiasco is just too high.

      • Hax

        Agreed. If Murray makes a bunch of moves and Alfie’s still a UFA in August and wants to come back for a retirement season that would be different (and still too risky IMO) but certainly it’s not something being considered now.

        When he comes back, it will be a couple of years from now to watch his number be retired and/or take a front office job of some sort.

        Though, our owner is kinda nuts …..

        • Rafi Bomb

          Why do fans think that Alfie will get a front office job?

          • Hax

            I think it’s possible. If he wants to do that after his playing career is done then ours is the most likely place he’d do it. Unless Melnyk really soured him that much.

          • runningbear1974

            I wouldn’t want him in a front office job… Does he have some skills we’re looking for? No point now… It’s not like he’ll be better at a front office job then someone who does that kind of work…

          • Hax

            “Front office job” doesn’t mean GM. It could be some nominal title to allow him to start learning that side of the NHL etc. Essentially just be a public figure at first but learn (and be evaluated) on the job.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Just like Stevie Y in Detroit.

      • runningbear1974

        I could forgive Alfie if he came back… If he says he had to try free agency before retirement, but does want to retire with the sens… I could accept that…

        • AutoTurris

          I agree, if he came back I would be all for it, although realistically it’s not going to happen. Too bad though.

    • A-Train

      I want to hear more about this hairdresser. How much for a cut?

      • peetypuck

        You’re going to drive to Ottawa for a haircut? I thought you lived out of town.

        • A-Train

          My motto: Have a hairdresser in every town.

    • FBP

      I won’t believe any of this until I see a picture of shirtless Alfie holding a bag with a $ painted on it, a feathered quill behind his ear and a rolled, weathered parchment tucked below his arm.

  • Hax

    While I hate the habs and want them to lose horribly after Subban does something selfish and stupid, even I have to admit to be sorta rooting for Tokarski. Not to win necessarily but definitely want to see him play well enough that he can’t be blamed for them losing (which he has IMO).

    And even Subban has matured a lot in the last year or so. Still too much of a hot dog for my liking (and too talented for me to like him outright since he plays for the Habs) but not nearly as bad as he used to be. I was impressed with how he handled the whole racism thing with those few Boston fans.

  • Andrews theory

    I think Ryan relishes the idea of being a big fish in a small tank.
    other cities would see him play second fiddle to their established stars.

    Outside of Karlsson, Ryan is pretty much the man and I think he’s looking forward to living up to his own expectations.

    He floundered in Anaheim for a long time where he was constantly tossed around as trade bait behind the Getlaf and Perry.

    Futhermore, playing on a line with Turris who came from a similar rocky background has likely re-affirmed Ottawa as a solid landing spot regardless of the Euge.

  • Josh

    Ryan will be back, Spezza will be gone, these things are certain. I’d actually like to see Berglund come back from the Spezza trade and then try and convince Hemmer to resign to play with Berglund. Not quite as nifty with the puck as Spezza nothing to scoff at either. That’s my hope at this point and I think its fair.

  • RUSH RLZ

    Blue and white bitches be waddling home from their fattening pens for the weekend, thus us where my Team MacArthur army puts the hammer down. 52.8% currently with almost a 10K vote lead. ;)

    • SensChirp

      Hahaha

  • TookieIs100PercentRight

    While I agree with most of what Big Chrip said, to say his numbers were below expectations is a little off. He’s been around 50-60 points throughout his career, with one outlier season. Here are are his mumbers and 82-game paces:
    08-09: 64GP 31G 26 A 57 PTS (82GP 39G 33A 72 PTS)
    09-10: 81GP 35G 29A 64 PTS (82GP 35G 29A 64 PTS)
    10-11: 82GP 34G 37A 71 PTS (82GP 34G 37A 71PTS)
    11-12: 82GP 31G 25A 57 PTS (82GP 31G 25A 57 PTS)
    12-13:46 GP 11G 19A 30 PTS (82GP 19G 33A 52 PTS)
    13-14:70G 23G 25 A 48 PTS (82GP 26G 29A 54 PTS)
    So basically 60 points or so, which is commensurate with his 5.1 mil bill. I’d do 6.0×7, at most 6.5×7.
    TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Don Ciccio

    I would love to see Alfie back in Ottawa for one final year before retiring. I could see him signing a 1yr at 3mil contract.
    MacArthur – Turris – Alfredsson
    Hoffman – Zibanejad – Ryan
    Lazar – Pageau – Stone
    Smith – Grant – Neil
    Trade Spezza for a quality defender and we would look pretty good.

    • AutoTurris

      Not a snowball’s chance Alfie is back. I feel like our D corps, while rocky this year, isn’t terrible and maybe shouldn’t be tweaked too much. Berglund back in a Spezza trade with STL and I’m thinking;

      Griz/ Turris/ Ryan
      Hoff/ Berglund/ Hemmer
      Lazar/ Zib / Stone
      Niel/ Smith/ Greening

      Second line has a splash of everything; speed, finesse and grit. I’d be pumped with that.

      • Don Ciccio

        I want nothing to do with the GSN line anymore and not sure why everyone wants Berglund so badly.

        • AutoTurris

          I’ve never minded them as a fourth line, to grind and get energy up but anything else than that they aren’t fit for. Berglund would nice younger centre with experience and potential to fill the hole that Spezza is leaving. I also agree that Stewart is going to be coming over whether we like it or not.

          • Don Ciccio

            I don’t see Berglund as a second line centre but he would make for a very good 3rd line centre however, we have many of those….I wouldn’t mind Berglund on the wing, maybe second line left wing with Zib and Ryan.

          • Jakester

            He can be a big second line left winger, a good one!

          • FistsofNeil25

            The problem with them as a fourth line is that they’re a very expensive one.

            Greening @ $2 650 000
            Smith @ $1 887 500
            Neil @ $1 900 00

            That’s a lot of dough ($6 437 500) tied up in your fourth line, especially for a budget team that lacks top end talent. Compare that to contending team like Boston who has has one of the best 4th lines in the league for a few years…

            Boston:

            Campbell @ $1 600 000
            Paille @ $1 300 000
            Thornton @ $1 100 000

            That’s $4 000 000 total which should be about what you should pay for a full fourth line.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I’m fine with Berglund coming back in the Spezza trade just as long as he isn’t the best piece we acquire.

          • Don Ciccio

            yup, I agree

          • Jakester

            He will be the number one piece. if it’ Berglund, Ian Cole and a first rounder That would be a nice pickup. Cole is physical and can move the puck. Then that allows you to move Cowen. Both left D-men. I think that theSens will make 3-4 moves this summer. The team will be quite different but much improved and tough as hell to play against.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Cole?! you do realize that Cole isn’t even in St Louis’ top six defenseman right? We don’t need another bottom pairing defenseman. We already have a handful of those guys at least. Cole has no value to us at all.

          • Jakester

            Doesn’t matter he’s a first round pick, they have a great D corps my friend. Harder to break into that group! Read up on this player, have you ever seen him play? I have and he’s steady. D take time to develop and he will break out this year.

          • FistsofNeil25

            What are you basing any of this on? So what if he’s a first round pick?! Don’t contradict yourself, Cowen is a first round pick as well! You say defenseman take a long time to develop but Cole is two years older than Cowen.

            Listen, I don’t even like Cowen, but I find it hilarious how you can say some guy who is two years older than him, has player 50
            less games, and isn’t an NHL regular is a completely ridiculous
            statement.

            We don’t need Ian Cole buddy. We need a proven top four NHL defenseman, not another bottom pairing guy. Cole doesn’t have
            any value to us. It’s not hard to understand.

          • Jakester

            Ok buddy if we listened to you we’d have a team full of nobody’s up front and a ton of rock feet on D. Stop over valuing Spezza and what he’ll yield! And stop over valuing our players and more importantly if you’ve never seen a guy play than don’t comment. I just mentioned he was a first rounder because you were talking as if he was a nothing, he played 50 games this year on the best defensive team in the league. Not as if he was cracking a lousy ship like ours!

          • FistsofNeil25

            Jakester, don’t be an idiot. A team full of nobody’s up front? What are you basing that on? When have I ever said anything to suggest that?

            Cole isn’t anything to us. We need proven top four defenseman or a defensive prospect with top potential. That’s what I’m saying. Cole just adds to the list of bottom pairing guys we have. Cowen, Wiercioch, Phillips, Ceci, Gryba, Boro.

            It doesn’t make any sense to add a defenseman in the Spezza trade unless he’s a quality guy. If the package St Louis offers involves Berglund and a 1st, I would prefer the third piece to be a forward prospect instead of Cole. I’m not over valuing Spezza at all lol

          • Jakester

            Who is the top 2 d man friend that you’re going to get for Spezza. It won’t happen, Cole is a better D man than Cowen is right now. I would trade Cowen and Stone to get Bogosian. Would hurt to trade Stone. Of course, signing Hemsky as 2nd line RW would need to happen first. I don’t think Cowen will be getting any better unfortunately. You need to skate in this league. Plus, Claessen will be vying for a lefty spot this year or by mid year.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I agree you need to skate in this league. I prefer a mobile two-way defender or puck-movers over one dimensional stay at home defenders. Look at Chicago, they have the best 6 man defensive unit in the NHL because they’re so mobile and all six of them have good breakout passes.

            I don’t think we’re going to get a top 2 defenseman for Spezza. I never said we would. I just don’t think it makes sense to add another question mark like Cole because of how crowded we already are on the blueline.

            Why bring in another bottom pairing defenseman when it just takes an opportunity away from Wiercioch, Ceci, Wideman or Claesson. It’s not about Cowen vs Cole, it’s about upgrading our top 6 as a whole and Cole doesn’t do that. He would be a pointless addition, therefore he has little value to us. That’s all I’m saying.

          • Jakester

            Cole if you watch him play and read his evaluations is a physical puck mover. He stands people up at the blue line and fluidly skates the puck outof the zone. That is what we need. Plus Ceci will be a 5-6 again this year but he’ll be top 4 the following year. I said it all year long that the Sens would be trading Spezza, and I’ll say this Cowen will be moved too this summer. He pissed people off with his holdout and his play did little to impress. They see a need to move him now I ‘m sure. Plus, all the potential trades we’ve read have a lefty D in them! That signals something to me. Unless, of course Methot might be the one moved, not sure how well him and Mac get along…..

          • Sandy

            Roman Polak?

          • Jakester

            I’d take Cole over super bumbler Cowen man!

          • AutoTurris

            Well I don’t think we’d be able to pull out a better piece coupled with Berglund for just Spezza. Maybe with a package we could get another piece and Berglund but I honestly don’t think the Spezza trade will give an excellent return. Berglund is realistic.

        • Jakester

          I agree with that statement maybe a Smith-Pageau-Grant line.

      • Jakester

        I could live with that! I guess Griz is MacArthur!

    • CUP 2014-15

      I like this but unless Ryan signs for about 17 M a year were below the expected floor. I am all for a finish to the rebuild with more youth but BM needs this payroll to be near 60M. Funny way to look at it I know but he has to get us there.

      • Hax

        Well any extension for Ryan doesn’t even count on the cap until it kicks
        in anyway. So yeah you’d need to sign Alfie for 1 year at 17M or
        whatever.

        • CUP 2014-15

          correct, wrote that too fast, but you get the point, lol

          • Hax

            Yeah wasn’t really nitpicking as much as agreeing that the suggested roster probably misses the floor by a lot.

        • Don Ciccio

          That would eliminate any bad blood between Alfie and Melnyk……lol

      • FistsofNeil25

        Why does he have to get it to 60M? The internal budget has been reported to be around 56-57M, and the floor is expected to be around 52M.

        • CUP 2014-15

          I understood the floor to come in around 58

          • Millennium

            Nope. 52M is probably closer to accurate (the formula is different now), although potentially a bit on the high side if my (very very bad) calculations are right.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Thanks, that makes it easier to reach, Sens have 18 players for 47.6M, minus Spezza’s 7 and were looking at 17 players at 40.5M. The Leahner and Gryba are the only NHL RFA’s if they combine for say 5M that’s 19 players at 45.5. Will not be hard to add 7M. Makes it easier to bring in someone like Lazar or Peumple, make a deal for a vet and were there. All of this is with keeping Andy around as well.

          • Millennium

            Salary is 47.6M, but cap payroll is 49.8M for those 18. And don’t forget Hoffman is an RFA this year as well (I consider him an NHL player for us, at least for now). Sign those 3 for under 6M I’m guessing, Boro’s contact is 1-way next season so that counts regardless where he is, I’d guess 4M coming back in the Spezza deal plus a 3M UFA signing, and we will have no problem hitting our measely 56M budget.

          • CUP 2014-15

            LOL, Forgot about Boro. Have to expect they will qualify Hoff as well. I like his tools, speed is a wonderful thing. If they keep all 3 RFA’S and add Boro, that will put us right on the cusp of the roster player max. Hope we don’t carry another 8 D this year. My main concern was moving Spezz and his 7m, but at 52, there is no need for major additions.

          • Tooks

            Nope 52M, catch up.

      • Don Ciccio

        Depending on how many piecess we get from Spezza and what those pieces are, our payroll could be a little higher if say we signed someone like Boyle or Markov or even traded for someone like Josi. I still think that Stewart will be a part of the Senators before long and quite possibly would eliminate someone like Hoffman from the lineup. I could also see a second line of Ryan- Zibanejad- Stewart.

        • CUP 2014-15

          agreed that when Spezz goes, salary will come back. Just commenting on the youth movement

        • Sandy

          Speculation is Detroit could target Boyle.. which then would mean there is no chance he would choose Ottawa over Detroit.

    • Samuel Benzaquen

      alfredsson already said that he is considering another year and if he does decide to go for another year it will be with Detroit and Detroit only. Not happening bro.

      • Don Ciccio

        Probably right bro however, never say never…..He also said that he can’t see himself anywhere else other than Ottawa and we all know what happened.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Here are some contracts that were given out recently under the new CBA to players with similar production as Bobby:

    Joe Pavelski – 5 years @ $6 000 000 per season

    Jason Pominville – 5 years @ $5 600 000 per season

    Milan Lucic – 3 years @ $6 000 000 per season

    Blake Wheeler – 6 years @ $5 800 000 per season

    I really do think Ryan’s salary should come in close to what these guys make. He doesn’t have the production or the track record of a player worth more than a maximum of $6.5 per season. He’s not a superstar or an elite player, therefore we should not be paying him as one.

    Four, five or six years @ 6-6.5 should be what the Sens offer.

    • Millennium

      6 x 6 would be perfect in my opinion.

    • Tooks

      Those are very good examples, there you go, I expect Bobby to sign a similar contract. Good find.

  • Deadly

    Very important to get an assessment of Lazar’s game tonight from Tooks as we need to know whether we should keep him up this year.

    • s3nsfan75

      Trade him for Jimmy Hayes

      • Deadly

        Because we draft so poorly let’s trade our picks for someone else’s picks.

        • s3nsfan

          OMG, I was joking i am laughing so hard right now, i was being cynical, tooks and I don’t see eye to eye on his assessments.
          I love Lazar, I don’t think there’s anyone I would trade him for except maybe whoever has first overall next year to draft McDavid

    • Jakester

      He plays such a responsible game it’s crazy, he covers tons of ice. He came close to potting one. He’s really going to be good.

      • FistsofNeil25

        He made something happen every shift. I counted about 5 or 6 hits and a couple defensive takeaways as well.

        • Jakester

          Finishes his checks hard and goes to the net. He can play in the Nhl next year. Time to clear out 14-22-and 25, to make room for some players. Don’t take it too personally FistsofNeil25 but Neil should be our 13 th forward.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I’m not taking it personally. Neil isn’t what he used to be.

          • Jakester

            I love the guy, one of my all time favorite players. Too many badly timed penalties and he just has trouble keeping up.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Agreed. It sucks to see a player regress as he has. He still has heart, but he’s falling behind.

    • Zelle

      I doubt he will be focusing on Lazar when there is a prospect for a rival team on the ice in Mantha.

      • Jakester

        And a a Maple a Laugh goalie for Val D’Or

      • EK65

        Detroit is a rival? How? Because of Alfie?

        As soon as Alfie retires Detroit goes back to being the same. That’s not a rival.

        • Zelle

          Just in the sense that they are in our division, that’s all. Rival was the wrong word to use since NHL over uses the term.

      • Tooks

        Well Mantha has been PK’ing most of the 2nd period. IF VDO can stay out of the box, they can make this a game.

    • Tooks

      Lazar pointless on 3 goals, lots of PP’s for EDM, 3 straight. Hard to judge the game but if Val D’Or wants a chance to get back in it, they need to stay out of the box.

      Been very impressed with Kulda actually, looks like power forward in the making.

      • Jakester

        Lazar has been solid.

        • Tooks

          Hasnt done anything and now just let Gazzola skate right by him and got a -1 for it.

          • FistsofNeil25

            lol

          • Tooks

            Like stick check the guy atleast…but I bet he said “Nah goalie’s got this” Oh shit! lol

            It was a bad goal but still, Gazzola just passed right by him.

          • FistsofNeil25

            ha!

          • Tooks

            And there you go, the panel agrees with me. “Lazar has been a disappointment so far in this tournament.” LeBrun.

          • BeJamin

            A Toronto media panel taking the opportunity to take a shit on an Ottawa Senators prospect? You don’t say! Shocked is I!

          • Tooks

            Sorry I’ll take LeBrun’s insight anyday over yours. Oh and lame excuse btw…

          • FistsofNeil25

            The panel eh? Last I checked Damien Cox, Nick Kypeos, John Shannon and Jeff Marek were all a bunch of dumbasses. Seriously, Sportsnet hockey analysts are a complete joke.

            I haven’t been disappointed by Lazar’s overall game. He’s played very well. He’s definitely lacked finish though. He should have buried more of his chances in this tournment. I’m happy to see him make things happen out there.

            I don’t expect Lazar to come into the NHL next season and light the league on fire. If he does make the team, I still expect him to be a solid player and develop nicely.

            PS- Pierre Lebrun isn’t on the panel. He’s not a Sportsnet employee. He works for ESPN.

          • Tooks

            OMG he looks just like LeBrun, LOL. Still I’m sure he’s knowledgeable.

            And yes I agree he hasnt been all that bad but def a disappointmen when you see what he has done so far this season. They def need more from Lazar. Maybe if they move to the final he steps it up, who knows.

          • FistsofNeil25

            He’s no more knowledgeable than me or you. He’s just a journalist. Seriously, regardless of what they think of Lazar, they’re all clowns on Sportsnet. Just a terrible sports network all together. The worst part is, they’re going to be forced upon us by joining Hockey Night in Canada next year… but I guess it’s not like PJ Stock, Healy and Simpson are any better!

          • Tooks

            I can tweet MacKenzie to see what he thinks of Lazar’ game at the Mem Cup, see what he says?

          • FistsofNeil25

            Do it. Bobby Mac knows his shit.

          • Tooks

            Or Pierre “I cant get a GM job” McGuire, see if he calls Lazar a MONSTER!

          • Tooks

            Well now your just funny, he’s up there, your not. But yeah its def better than Healy and Simp, PJ I dont mind, atleast he’s funny.

          • FistsofNeil25

            This is the same network that has employed the likes of Denis Potvin and Bruce Garrioch. Don’t get me started.

          • Jakester

            What a pain, ok Tookie let’s send him to Siberia.

          • Tooks

            Why, he’s gonna be a good player, he’s just not having a good tournament.

  • Millennium

    Imagine if Cowen had been an RFA this summer like everyone thought was the case instead of last summer? Crazy to think they offered him an 8 year deal last year (not sure if we ever knew the $ on it), and he turned it down. He could have been our Clarkson (albeit at a fraction of the price).

    • FistsofNeil25

      If he was an RFA this summer we’d be talking about a one or two year bridge contract at significantly less money than he signed for. Too bad.

      • Tooks

        Yeah no kidding, he would have been also easier to move in a trade, now at his price tag, nobody will touch him.

  • luckan20

    Cowen or Weircioch should be a trade bait this year or being part of Spezza deal. We need a top 4 and a top 6. Spezza deal alone can only get us either top 4 or top 6; therefore, we need to move Cowen or Weircioch. If we moved Spezza for Shatenkirk (plus other pieces), then we need to move Cowen to the Oilers for Yakupov and a prospect.

    • Jakester

      I agree, I see Cowen being moved. We have Methot, Wiorcioch, Claessen, and Boro on the left side. Plus, maybe another one coming in a Spezza deal

      • Tooks

        Murray and Maclean have a hard on for the kid. I wish we could move him but no team will take that contract.

        • AutoTurris

          Have to agree here; no team will want Cowen plus management did put a lot into him. They really jumped the gun while trying desperately for another Chara.

          • peetypuck

            We let him play another year and see if he makes any improvement and stays major injury-free. He’s too young and inexperienced to give up on so soon.

          • Millennium

            At this point they have no choice. They are in too deep to give up on Cowen so quickly. But they better hope he turns it around quickly though, because he was beyond terrible this season.

  • AutoTurris

    Wondering how much thought concerning the FA market has gathered in BM’s head. There are some decent, affordable pieces set to be on the market; the majority will be resigned/signed elsewhere, but definitely could see a pick up or two from that pool.

    • Millennium

      Radim Vrbata could be a good option. Mason Raymond perhaps? Just trying to think of guys who are in our price bracket.

      • runningbear1974

        Brooks Orpik

        • FistsofNeil25

          Yuck.

          • runningbear1974

            yeah you’re right… not a very handsome guy… just joking, i’ve been drinking…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Orpik is Phillips-esque. Old. Slow. Done.

          • runningbear1974

            No… Orpik hits, causes damage, and he has poise under pressure… Completely different than Phillips… Old though, and not sure how he’ll recover from his concussion…

          • FistsofNeil25

            He’s junk. I don’t want another slow-ass stay at home defenseman. i want a defenseman who can skate and move the puck. Not some plug who chases the play around in his own zone all night trying to rough guys up. We already have Cowen for that.

          • runningbear1974

            I’m not pushing hard for Orpik… I just threw in a name… Cowen, Phillips are stupid… Orpik is not stupid… Big difference… He also hits to injure and is good at it… But, like i said, i’m not pushing hard, don’t really care, but i do think Pittsburgh need him…

          • FistsofNeil25

            He used to be all those things you speak of. Now he’s washed up. Signing him would be just like the times we signed Jason Smith or Luke Richardson.

        • Tooks

          Fuck Orpik, get Niskanen!

          • Spinorama

            Niskanen!? Hes a product of being at the right place at the right time. He wont do squat on another team.

      • Tooks

        I said Mason Raymond before, kid has wheels and would fit in well. We need speed.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Raymond would be a decent plug ‘n’ play addition. Just a place holder for a year or two. Not a long-term solution.

          • Millennium

            2 year deal, until decisions have to be made on guys like Puempel and Prince. Not the big forward Murray wants, but I wouldn’t be opposed as a cheap solution.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I think Hoffman will turn out to be a similar player. There are a lot of similarities between the two.

          • Tooks

            Yeah except Raymond has proven he can score in the NHL.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Obviously, but Hoffman has followed the same kind of development curve that Raymond took.

          • Tooks

            Yeah I like Hoffman, imagine having them both o same line? They both LW?

          • FistsofNeil25

            Both LW but Hoffman is actually a natural center.. I don’t think it would work to have them both on the same line anyway. They’re too similar. Both perimeter players.

        • Spinorama

          Raymond ….seriously??? Hes vermette v.2.0….

  • peetypuck

    What happens if Bobby Ryan refuses to sign with our Sens team this summer and wants to play for a contender or worse still, Philadelphia?
    That means we lose Spezza and Ryan and a whole lot of our offence. We all know we would never get two players of their calibre back in trade. That leaves us with taking back lower quality proven players or draft picks and prospects. I would pass on the average players and go for the best prospects and picks that I could get.
    IMO, this would be a great opportunity to build a real contender but it would take another two or three years. First, Bryan Murray could pick up some very high draft picks or prospects with high ceilings. Secondly, the team would probably really suck next year. That’s the silver lining in the fact that 2015 has a couple (at least) franchise type prospects in the draft. At this point Buffalo looks like the worst team next year. The Sens, without Spezza and Ryan would probably compete for last place with them. That means the odds would be pretty good in picking one of the two top prospects.
    Meanwhile our other young guys like Turris, Karlsson, Cowen, Zibby, Stone, Wiercioch, Pumpel, Lazar and The Lehner would be gaining valuable experience and maturation in the next year or two. If we had three or four of the top prospects from the 2014 and 2015 drafts to slot in behind these guys we could become another Pittsburgh, Chicago or Colorado starting by 2016. Of course, Bryan Murray would probably need to pick up one or two proven vets also.
    There is only one problem. We fans won’t put up waiting for the GM to do a real good rebuild to get the players needed to be contenders instead of pretenders. We want it now which means we will likely get an half-ass team that makes the playoffs but never comes close to winning the Stanley Cup.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Well if Ryan decides he doesn’t want to re-sign with Ottawa I hope he does it this summer so we can trade him and get something back instead of next season where he’d leave as a UFA.

      We’ll see if he re-signs. I don’t think it’s the end of the world if we have to trade him. I also would be willing to be very patient if it meant a chance at drafting McDavid or Eichel.

      • AutoTurris

        I’ve wrestled with the idea of purposely blowing a season in order to get the next Crosby. Obviously completely ridiculous. Would never happen in pro-sports. Absolutely outlandish. Obscene. Disgraceful.

        But maybe…

        • Don Ciccio

          Finishing in last doesn’t guarantee you a 1 overall pick…..Florida won the lottery this year despite I believe finishing 3rd last…..Too much of a gamble to tank.

          • peetypuck

            Not when there is more than one francise type player. Remember when Ovie and Malkin went in the same year?

          • AutoTurris

            I know but the probability that two years in a row the team with 25% chance of first overall doesn’t get it is small. Not impossible I know, but slim.

          • FistsofNeil25

            It’s not like we’d have to tank. The scenario we’re discussing was presented with the idea that both Ryan and Spezza would be traded this summer. I’m afraid if we lost our top offensive forwards this team may be a bottom three squad.

        • Deadly

          You probably would never be in a position to do it.

          • AutoTurris

            Thank you for pointing that out, your comment really brought me down from my delusion of one day owning the Senators. I can now move on with my life!

      • Tooks

        It would be devastating for the Org’s rep. Nobody would ever want to come play here if we just lost Alfie, Spezza and Bobby in less than 3 years. I hope it doesnt come to that

        • FistsofNeil25

          But if we get McDavid we’ll be an attractive destination again! Maybe? I don’t know anymore :(

          • Tooks

            Yeah for 3 years, then when we have to pay him 7Mil, he’s gone, lol.

          • AutoTurris

            Not if we build around McDavid, Melnyk would have to see us as a cap team, we’d get the pieces to be a contender.

          • Tooks

            Until Melnyk shows he can and willing to spend to be a cap team. Were not.

          • Spinorama

            This fanbase cant handle a legitimate rebuild. Next years draft is very strong and if u can get 2 first. Rounders then the franchise can be solid for years to come. I think im in the minority here and we should go with our bingo guys and restock. I will still support this team. With or without spezza, alfredsson.

          • peetypuck

            I wonder if Sens management read Senschirp on a regular basis to keep a pulse on us fans?

          • Spinorama

            I have wonder that before also. They must have a public relations rep. Going on sites to get an idea of where fans stand..

          • peetypuck

            I think Chirp has some influence on Sens Management. He’s well read by us Sens fans.

          • peetypuck

            Next year will probably be our last chance to draft a franchise player like McDavid. After that we probably won’t drop that far to draft that high.

          • Tooks

            Like we were supposed to do this year and years to come?
            Its gonna be a rough couple years if we lose Spezza/Hemsky/Michalek and possibly Ryan. We will be in the top 10 for sure, top 5 would require injuries to Turris, Karlsson…

          • peetypuck

            You can always count on injuries. Certain players are targeting the best players. Just look how many of the stars are out every year.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Even with a healthy Turris and Karlsson…Replace Spezza, Ryan, Hemsky, Michalek with Da Costa, Hoffman, Stone and Pageau and there’s going to be big time short term pain.

          • peetypuck

            Yup.

          • Tooks

            Probably even longterm, unless we get a couple high end picks that actually pan out, unlike Stefan.

          • FistsofNeil25

            That’s the point – we would definitely get the high end picks if that were the case!

          • FistsofNeil25

            Nah. McDavid would turn the Sens into a money making machine.

          • AutoTurris

            Amen.

          • peetypuck

            You got it, Pontiac.

          • peetypuck

            Haha, a license for Eugene to print money.

          • peetypuck

            If we had those players I think the CT Centre’s seats would be full. Along with his mega-TV broadcasting riches even he could spend to the cap ceiling.

        • Jakester

          Oh stop with the devastation, Sens are going young. It could be a good thing too, if the return is immense.

          • Tooks

            Going young is good, when your young guys are top end talents…Not 3rd liners…

          • peetypuck

            If you want to draft top end players consistently then you have to draft in the top 5.

          • peetypuck

            The return from Spezza and a top draft pick in 2015 alone would be great. Ryan could bring us even more prospect riches. Murray knows how to draft.

      • peetypuck

        If he doesn’t sign this summer then he should be traded. Keep him until next year and we probably lose him and get nothing.

      • Spinorama

        Is konecny in the draft too ???

        • Tooks

          Who? Were talking elite talent here Spin, get lost with your 4th round picks…

          • Spinorama

            Travis koneckny you dumbass

          • Tooks

            Kopecky plays for Florida moron!

          • Spinorama

            Wow tooks do u even watch hockey?

          • Tooks

            Yes, just not midget hockey.

          • peetypuck

            I agree, no fun watching midgets play hockey.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I think so. This OHL bio page says he’s draft eligible in 2015.

          http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/roster/show/id/14542

    • Jakester

      I could see it happening, then you trade for Couturier and Read(example). It won’t the end of the Sens. If that was the case, Sens could come away with it being quite healthy and totally rebuilt.

  • Tooks

    Wow, Val D’Or does it again, lol. They sure missed that kid, Gelinas…Welcome back!

    • FistsofNeil25

      Two weak goals on Jarry. Typical Pens goalie crumbling under pressure.

      That Gelinas kid is an undrafted 20 year old who just put up 90+ points as a defenseman. Crazy.

      • runningbear1974

        We should draft some Gelinas players… They always impress me :) Not because that’s my last name of course…

      • Tooks

        And playing on 1 leg to boot! lol

      • peetypuck

        Damn, couldn’t Jarry hold the fort just 36 seconds longer?

        • FistsofNeil25

          It’s a shame. Edmonton has been by far the better team.

          • peetypuck

            Jarry seems to be the weak link.

  • Tooks

    Ok EVERYONE watch the Mem Cup, gotta love the passion these kids have for the game!

  • Tooks

    Everyone pick the gamewinner, for both sides…

    Richards VDO
    Moroz EDM

    • Spinorama

      Edm_pollock
      vdo_henley

      • Tooks

        Well those are stupid picks…

        • Spinorama

          Yeah way to go with the favorites tooks…

          • Tooks

            Favorites? Like Mantha or Kulda. Wake up fool!

          • Spinorama

            Double OT time !

    • FistsofNeil25

      Beauregard VDO
      Petryk EDM

    • Sandy

      Val D’Or has the better goaltending. I want Edmonton to win… but they have to get the jump early…

      • Tooks

        Refs REALLY dont want to call a penalty, lol. Usually high stick gets called tho.

      • peetypuck

        Edmonton has 46 shots on Bibeau.

        • Tooks

          Thats normal, nothing new.

          • peetypuck

            I know, they had over 50 shots the first game they met.

      • Tooks

        I think Jarry heard you Sandy, lol. Keeping EDM in the game…

  • Sandy

    I have questions about how Bryan Murray can convince Bobby Ryan that the Sens are committed to win a Stanley Cup.. when all that is talked about is the budget. That players have to consider the budget when it comes to contract demands. Can only sign players that fit under the budget..
    I think the reputation of this team the last couple of seasons has taken a downturn.
    Heatley leaving hurt that.. Then Alfie — the face of the franchise — leaving over a contract dispute.
    Now the next captain being shipped out of town..
    Sens big-mouth owner..
    I wish I was as confident that they can get Ryan and MacArthur signed.. Players want to win.. This team is a few years away from that.. these players are entering their prime years..

    • peetypuck

      I guess we have to think about the possibility of losing Bobby Ryan too. He never was a sure thing but a GM has to take a chance sometimes.

    • Zelle

      Honestly I am just banking on the fact that M-T-R want to play together
      and lead a team to contention together. That is my thought and my hope.

      • runningbear1974

        i’m hoping the same thing… They’re our next special line…

  • Sandy

    Can you effin believe this one:

    Snider ‏@EvilEdSnider Mar 28

    Now all we need is Bobby Ryan to join an Ottawa gang so the Senators release him #BringBobbyHome

    • peetypuck

      Sure, if they send Claude Giroux back home to Ottawa.

      • Tooks

        Haha nice.

        • Spinorama

          Triple ot !!!

          • peetypuck

            Edmonton hasn’t been able to score since the 2nd period. Bibeau has a shutout for the last three periods.

          • Spinorama

            It hurts to know hes a leafs prospect !! Lol

          • peetypuck

            Thanks for ruining my night, not.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I don’t get it? There’s some joke in there about the Philidelphia Eagles releasing Desean Jackson because of alleged gang ties…. and that’s what it would take for Ottawa to release Bobby.. good one?

      • Tooks

        Me neither…

        • FistsofNeil25

          Still a Jets fan?

    • Spinorama

      Simmonds and samuel morin would be a nice start .

      • Jakester

        That would be a wicked return!

  • Tooks

    Dang bad penalty to take in 2OT…

  • FistsofNeil25

    Oh no….first penalty in overtime. Edmonton for delay of game. These guys are exhausted.

    • Tooks

      Ya, lol the pace has slowed down drastically…

      • FistsofNeil25

        And the refs were letting everything go… you knew the only thing they would call is delay of game, and only because they have to lol

  • Tooks

    OMG!! Jarry!

    • Spinorama

      Hey tooks so whats that about lazar again????

      • Tooks

        Haha you didnt pick em.

  • Zelle

    Great game. Great chances for both Lazar and Mantha.

    • Spinorama

      Whoever wins will not have anything left for the finals lol….bodog !!!!! Lol

      • Tooks

        Ya Guelph are def liking this.

  • Jakester

    What a game!

  • FistsofNeil25

    LAZAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Deadly

    Lazar

  • Spinorama

    LazaaaaaaR

  • Jakester

    Lazar like Turris clutch!

  • Zelle

    CLUUUUUTCH!

  • FistsofNeil25

    Curtis Lazar – Big. Game. Player.

    • Tooks

      Haha relax, nobody picked him to score, lol.

      • Jakester

        Cuz like you they know nothing! Lol

        • Tooks

          You didnt pick him either fool.

          • Jakester

            You’re just sad the Sens first rounder scored! Bet you can’t wait to steal a kids candy at Halloween now!

          • peetypuck

            No, Tooks steals candy from kids ? Tell me it isn’t so.

          • Jakester

            R u surprised? Haha

          • peetypuck

            Not at all. lol

          • Tooks

            I do, its not good for them!

          • Jakester

            U a dentist?

          • peetypuck

            haha, good one.

          • Tooks

            No I’m happy, he finally scored a goal. He still has Guelph to go through.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Laaaaazaaaaaaaar!

        • Tooks

          Its Lazaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrr, get it right ;)

          • FistsofNeil25

            I like to put an emphasis on both syllables.

    • runningbear1974

      That was exciting…

  • Deadly

    Worth watching allllll night.

    • Jakester

      Junior games are exciting.

      • Tooks

        Yep much more than NHL, for sure!

        • Sandy

          Because they play hard for the love of the game.. not for the love of money.

    • Tooks

      Ya amazing game, now Guelph wins hands down.

      • Jakester

        You deflate everything!

        • Tooks

          Why? You dont want Harpur to win?

          • Jakester

            No. Want Lazar to win.

          • Tooks

            Why do you discriminate, thats bad.

          • Sandy

            What we do know is that a Sens prospect will win the Memorial Cup.

          • Jakester

            Here, here!

          • Tooks

            Now thats thinking ahead Sandy, well done!

          • Jakester

            Haha, cuz he’s the future!

  • FistsofNeil25

    Sens Curtis Lazar scores elimination game OT winner on Maple Leafs Antoine Bibeau. I like the way that sounds.

    • Jakester

      Lazar tough little guy, scores in his office in front of the NET!

    • peetypuck

      Game note: The longest game in Memorial Cup history.
      Curtis Lazar is now in the Mem. Cup history books.

      • Sandy

        Let’s hope… one of many records for this kid.
        I really like his demeanor.. I think he will be good for the team… They just have to put him in a position to succeed..
        Guelph is going to be hard to beat. They haven’t lost a game yet.. but Sunday maybe their 1st loss. All depends on Jarry.

        • Jakester

          The game they played was a lot closer than the score. Edmonton outshot Guelph and poor Eller scored in his own net and that was a killer! I expect a close one!

        • peetypuck

          Next record. Scoring the winning goal for Ottawa that defeats the Maple Leafs in round 3 of the playoffs. Oh Yaaaaaaaah !!!

          • sprucesens

            don’t kid yourself…………. the leafs won’t ever make it that far. lol

  • Sandy

    They had an Edmonton radio guy on TSN1200 today talking about the Oil Kings & Lazar. He said he expects Lazar to be in Ottawa next season but probably as a 3rd line winger..

    • Jakester

      That’s perfect Sandy!

      • Jakester

        Maybe, even 4th line in his first season who knows….

        • Sandy

          No.. not 4th line… 3rd line.
          I would prefer Lazar-Zibby-Hoffman..
          Sens pick up a 2nd line centre.. even if it’s Derek Roy for a season… Leave Zibby on the 3rd line for one more season.

          • Jakester

            God forbid Derek Roy

          • Tooks

            I agree.

            Hoffman Zib Lazar

    • Doc

      Hoffman-DaCosta-Lazar?

      • Tooks

        Eeesh, I hope not.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Maybe we’ll pick up a second line center and have Zibanejad and Lazar on the third line. That would be dope.

        • Jakester

          That would be a wicked hard working line!

        • Doc

          I initially wanted that, but if Zibby is the second line center, I would expect Stone to start the year on his right wing.

          Lazar plays center and RW.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Yeah I’m cool with that. Ideally I imagine Murray and Maclean would want him to spend a bit of time in the AHL next year but we all know that can’t happen. If it’s NHL or WHL he’ll end up in Ottawa next season.

      I know everyone likes to compare prospects to established NHLer’s, so if I could compare Lazar to any NHLer with a similar game and production through junior, it would be Mike Richards. Gritty two-way centers with 60+ point potential.

      • Tooks

        I think he cant play in the AHL, its not an option, its junior or NHL.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Yeah I already edited my original post from “won’t” to “can’t”. It’s what I meant to say.

          • Tooks

            Do you think there is a chance he goes back to Junior?

          • FistsofNeil25

            There’s always a chance but from what I can tell Murray is absolutely in love with this kid. Bryan thought if it weren’t for Lazar’s off-season injury last summer that he very well could have made the Sens.

            I think considering how lousy the Sens roster could be next year, Lazar would have to play himself out of a roster spot at rookie and training camp. There’s a spot on the team that is his for the taking.

            Most kids his age need extra development because they need to work on their skating, or physically develop, or work on their defensive game. None of these things are an issue for Lazar. He can probably slide in on the Sens third line quite nicely, assuming that Ryan and Stone are 1 and 2.

          • SensFanInMTL

            You’re right. Greening is going to lose his spot to Lazar, absolutely agree.

          • FistsofNeil25

            How do we get rid of that $2 700 000 contract? Can you believe that guy has a NTC that kicks in on July 1st…

          • SensFanInMTL

            We’re essentially fucked with this guy. Even if he starts the year in the AHL, he will be paid nearly $3M. They bought out Cheechoo, they can do the same to Greening. No one is guaranteed a spot or guaranteed anything. I don’t care how angry certain people get. Buy him out or schaff him in the A.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Eugene wouldn’t do that.

          • SensFanInMTL

            Which is why we will be angry for the next whatever amount of years we have him for.

          • SensFanInMTL

            Let’s assume the top line is gone. Let’s just pretend we know shit and what Murray and Co. are thinking and we’re in the 3rd week of September….

            MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
            ? -? – ?
            Lazar – Zibanejad – Stone
            Greening – Smith – Neil

            Puempel, Prince could all be pushing for spots. Whatever happens to Spezza and the return for him. If Zibby is ready for 2nd line centre, then who lines up with him?

          • Jakester

            U mean the second line is gone ….. Lol

          • SensFanInMTL

            I forgot Da Costa. He’s done virtually everything to including playing his heart out. He needs to be there. Let us rethink this…

            MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
            Puempel – Zibanejad – Lazar
            Condra (eww) – Da Costa – Stone
            Greening – Smith – Neil

            I can’t watch the G-S-N line either. Unfortunately, this is what we have to deal with. Having that line means Condra will be floating around anywhere. This is why we will be angry for years to come!

          • Jakester

            Hoffman au lieu de Condra dude! Condra aux vidanges! Lol

          • SensFanInMTL

            Ce sera un upgrade for sure! But as FistsOfNeil stated, Condra at least tries to do all the little things right, so keeping Condra is fine as long as something happens to the G-S-N line. Neil is being thrown with everyone. I wish we could somehow get Kelly & Vermette back. Damn it’d be costly as fuck though.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Wanna know what’s most likely? If GSN is still a line they will likely be used in a 3rd line role again (yuck) I see this going down as the most likely scenario and it doesn’t give me any warm and fuzzy feelings about next season

            MacArthur – Turris – Ryan

            ????? – Zibanejad – Stone

            Greening – Smith – Neil

            Hoffman – Da Costa – Lazar

            Condra

            That left winger would have to come in at a decent price tag to bring us to the cap floor.

            Edit: Probably Stewart as the second line addition lol christ…

          • Jakester

            You can say what you want but we all know they are the fourth line!

          • FistsofNeil25

            That’s unfortunately not how they were used for a large portion of this season. They were used as the 3rd. I wish they weren’t a line at all. Smith should be playing with better players, Neil should be the 13th forward and Greening should be playing in the ECHL.

          • SensFanInMTL

            LMAO, yes. Greening not even good enough for AHL. So he goes to ECHL!

          • Jakester

            I know, I really feel Maclean sort of set this team up to fail to get Murray to make the changes he feels this team really needs. Big shakeup coming. I wouldn’t be surprised if Ryan is moved too honestly. But the team will be exciting and PESKY as hell and talented. Lots of offence and hard back checking. They know what they want.

          • sprucesens

            i doubt ryan goes anywhere. Unless he truly will not sign here, we will have a ton of cap room to eat up. Spezza, hemsky and michalek all gone. Thats 16 mill in cap space. From a team that was already at the bottom of the payroll… We can and will pay Ryan. Its just a matter of whether or not he wants to stay, and for how long.

          • sprucesens

            I think this will be close to the lineup, depending on return for spezza. I think hoffman is in there though, on the 2nd line, and we sign a UFA LW for 2nd/3rd line. We won’t get to the floor with that roster. I think you have the C’s and RW’s very close though, maybe flipping lazar and stone. Hmm, i wonder if timmy is high on greening. Greening and prince for stewart would be ok. At least we could expect a couple more goals, without giving up much of anything. Bump condra down a line and put stewart on 3rd. I’m not his biggest fan, just going on rumours though

          • Jakester

            Berglund-Zibby-Hemsky

            Maybe

          • SensFanInMTL

            Hemsky’s as good as gone bud. Hey, imagine if Spezza plays hard ball and plays out the rest of his contract? He will walk and we will lose him for nothing!!!!

            MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
            Puempel – Spezza – Stone
            Hoffman – Zibanajad – Lazar
            - Whatever fuck -

          • Jakester

            Money will lure Hemsky, I don’t buy this idea that it’s Spezza or bust for him. He knows that he’ll have to insulate Spezza wherever he goes! It becomes annoying for a player.

          • Jakester

            Spezza can’t play hardball Sens have 20 teams they can trade him to.

          • AutoTurris

            I’d be so down with that

          • FistsofNeil25

            I just can’t watch another year of GSN ever again.

            What about this…

            MacArthur – Turris – Ryan

            ????? – ????? – Stone

            Smith – Zibanejad – Lazar

            Hoffman – Da Costa – Condra

            Neil

          • Jakester

            I agree GSN is brutal and if Condra is still around I’ll puke.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Condra is a cheap fourth liner though. He’s nothing special but he doesn’t hurt the team in any way. He’s a good possession player and that’s a big plus for a fourth line player. A fourth line of Hoffman – Da Costa – Condra would wipe the floor with the competition they would face on a nightly basis.

          • Jakester

            Condra on the fourth barely. He would ruin what Hoffman and DaCosta would try to accomplish on the third line.

            Sens should really try hard to get Hemsky, he would be great with Zibby. F all this dying to play with Spezz, he would be just as awesome with Zibby. Zibby would get the puck back for him all night.

          • I’m just sayin’

            get yourself a large bucket

            Condra gets paid peanuts
            he’s exactly what Eugene Pinchpenny wants

          • Jakester

            Package him with Cowen somewhere. I think there will be 3 significant trades from the Sens this summer. Getting antsy can’t wait.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Think there’s a team out there willing to pick up $6 000 000 of dead weight between those two players? lol

          • Jakester

            If Sather could trade Gomez anything can be accomplished! Lol

          • SensFanInMTL

            I can’t either, bud. I need closure. We all do. This roster finalized in September or October will determine whether I stay put or head out west for work. If Lazar cracks the roster, I stay here. Could you believe I put our team ahead of life? I need help and I know this already.

          • Jakester

            You’re as bad as me! You know there are more of us Sens fans in Quebec! We aren’t alone!

          • SensFanInMTL

            You’re from Quebec? Ha. I thought you were from “out there.”

          • FistsofNeil25

            Same thing no? lol

          • Jakester

            South shore of Montreal!

          • Jakester

            I think the way he plays, he will now learn more in the NHL. If he could go to the AHL, a half year would’ve been nice. But Dorion seems to think he’s more than ready.

      • Tooks

        Perfect comparison, they showed Richards in his Mem Cup days, guy was a force.

      • SensFanInMTL

        I don’t remember stating that here but I know I always thought that in my head that Lazar, without jumping to conclusion, could be compared to those of Mike Richards for sure. 200 foot player, same range in points more or less. Putting up 70+ would be a treat no doubt.

  • Jakester

    How good are Reinhart and Sautner!!

  • SensFanInMTL

    Anyone know when the prospects take to Sens Plex this Summer? I was in Ottawa in 2011 and was a couple days late or early to see Zibanejad, Puempel, Noesen and others. Fuck was I pissed.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I think it’s usually the first week of July no? I went the year we drafted Zibanejad. Poor guy got his front teeth knocked out.

      • SensFanInMTL

        The next year we were scheduled to go. My friend over drank at Tila’s. Big fuckin baby. He got sick, so we went home. I lost another year of seeing them. Idiot.

        • Jakester

          Moderation, haha

  • Rafi Bomb

    Lazar scores triple OT winner to send the Oil Kings to the Memorial Cup final. Such a clutch player.

    • sprucesens

      i watched all game and missed the 3rd OT because of a friends bday party. Just watched the part i missed. Great game. Looking forward to sunday, but it will be a tall order. Guelph hasn’t scored less than 5 goals this tourney, but the least they scored was against the kings. Hopefully they can win the cup!

  • ProfessorPower

    Spezza for Richards(30% retained) + Clifford + 2nd

    flip 2nd + Prince for Chris Stewart

    Macarthur-Turris-Stone
    Stewart-Richards-Ryan
    Clifford-Zibanejad-Lazar
    Hoffman-Smith-Neil

    • Jakester

      Stopped with the retained money that won’t happen.

      • ProfessorPower

        if they were potentially going to buy him out, we would be saving them milliions of dollars as well as aiding their hockey team with the addition of Spezza.

    • Mat

      Doubt the Kings would do both roster players. I think there’s a case for them going their separate ways with Richards. And while I like the idea of getting a top 6 C in return, I’ve become skeptical of Richards. I like his brand of hockey but where the hell did he go this year?

      • ProfessorPower

        I know it could be risky, but Richards is the type of guy who steps up when the pressure is on. He seems to win wherever he goes…so maybe the risk will be worth it. Would be a great character guy for players like Lazar and Stone.

  • Mat

    Seeing a lot of prediction rosters where we are plugging a few of our prospects on the top 2 lines. Personally, I’m not convinced Zbad is ready for 2LC yet. I think we should be considering some possible UFA pick ups this summer. Pierre Dorion alluded to the fact that he expects the team to be pretty busy on that front.

    Another concern I have with the impending departure of Spezza is the level of experience on the team. We need a couple of leaders who actually contribute (or should I say, who excel at their skill sets) to go with the 2 heart and soul guys.

    It’ll be a dog fight to acquire these guys (if they aren’t re-signed by their current organizations) but I would seek interest with these guys:

    On D: Brooks Orpik. Big, sound, crushing D. A second Marc Methot on the team to let Ceci or Wiercioch continue to develop their offensive flare. Lots of people are high on Boyle. Local guy. Could be a great mentor and can still put up numbers (although that would be adjusted on our team) but I’m more concerned about a sound defence than increasing offensive contribution at this point.

    On F: If we can’t retain the services of Hemsky, I would go after Radim Vrbata. Top line skilled and speedy winger (very underrated) who’s played against top lines in the west for years.

    • AutoTurris

      I’ve thought a lot about Boyle… Would be a great addition, but too expensive. Don’t see it happening while under Mr. Eugene Krabs.

  • Mat

    MacArthur Turris Ryan
    Stone ??Berglund?? Hemsky/Vrbata
    Lazar/Hoffman Zbad Condra
    Greening Smith Neil
    Puemple/Pageau

    Karlsson Methot
    Orpik Wiercioch
    Cowen Philips
    Ceci Boro

  • AutoTurris

    I’ll go on record right now by saying this; my money is on Cole and Berglund from STL for Spezza.

  • Deadly

    The Hard Way is the way the Oil Kings seem to do things. When we all agree that beating Guelph seems impossible , let’s think back to the last two games against Portland. The evening after blowing a third period three goal lead they had fly out to Portland to play game seven. Portland had an incredible home record and seemed poised to represent the west.
    The first game against Val D’Or they gave up a lead and lost in overtime. They played a strong third period but still gave up the lead in that game. Last night against the same Val D’Or the same script was being written. Get the lead ..check…give up the lead…check…overtime..
    Jarry played great in nets and after 2 OT periods Lazar tips in the winner. Earlier he was close to finishing the game.
    The Hard Way…Nothing in life that is worth something comes without effort and sacrifice.
    Maybe the Oil Kings can get it done..The Hard Way.

  • Zelle

    This Montreal team has a serious addiction to playing the victim.

  • lbernier

    I want Spezza and Hemsky to stay, they found chemestry and Turris MacArthur Ryan do too so we have the makings of having a good top 6, let Michalek go trade him for a pick to Pheonix or something so he can play with his brother. I really dont think moving Spezza at this point would be smart, if Spezza stays Hemsky would be more willing to for sure.

    Ryan-Turris-MacArthur
    Stone-Spezza-Ryan
    Greening-Zibanejad-Hoffman
    Condra-Smith-Neil

    Karlsson-Methot
    Cowen-Weirchoch
    Phillips-Ceci
    Gryba

    Anderson
    Lehner

    this team has a chance to be so much better then it was last year, I dont want to see that broke up, I really believe they can change things around with the experience they got from last season!

    • peetypuck

      You must really like Bobby Ryan. You have him playing on both top lines.