Contest- Predict the Jason Spezza Trade

SensChirp June 12, 2014 1,138
Contest- Predict the Jason Spezza Trade

Now that we have confirmation from Sens GM Bryan Murray, we can all officially begin to prepare ourselves for the inevitable Jason Spezza trade that will be coming sometime in the next few weeks.

Jason Spezza has been a great player for this hockey team and great representative of this city and this organization. Spezza has his reasons for wanting to move on just as the organization has its own justification for why this move makes sense. Always a polarizing presence in the team’s lineup, there has never been any doubt about his offensive abilities and his passion for the game of hockey.

The Ottawa Senators are certainly going to miss Jason Spezza.

But as Spezza gets ready to start a new chapter in his hockey career and the Senators begin to prepare for life after Jason, I thought we should have a little fun with this.  As our next SensChirp contest, we are going to play- “Predict the Jason Spezza Trade”.

It’s pretty simple and if you’ve read the comment section the last little while, you’ll know the readers on this site have been doing it for the last few weeks anyway. So I figured we should make it a little more official. Except it’s not as simple as saying where he’ll end up. You entry must answer the following questions;

  1. What team will Spezza be traded to?
  2. On what date will Spezza be traded?
  3. Details of the trade (This must include ALL players/prospects and draft picks involved in the deal, with the year of draft picks included)

All entries must be emailed to senschirp@hotmail.com before 10:00 PM on Friday, June 13, 2014 (Jason Spezza’s birthday).

We have a great Wisers Gift Pack lined up courtesy of our good friend @Wisers_Ottawa, who reminds us that you must be legal drinking age to enter and to please enjoy responsibly. If there are multiple winners, we’ll do a draw from all the correct responses.

I encourage everyone to share their entries in the comment section too, unless of course you have a real good scoop on this one. Good luck everyone!

Where will Jason Spezza end up?

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  • Dirtysweetness

    First!
    Dallas:
    Dillon/Olesiak, Chaisson and a first round pick
    Ottawa: Spezza, BoroCop

    • SensChirp

      Don’t forget to email your entry!

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I just posted this in the last blog. I forgot about Lazar! so let’s say Pageau is replaced by Lazar in that lineup and it’ll be Greening in the pressbox…

    Spezza traded for Josi + pick

    Richards signed close to $4M

    Ottawa Senators 14-15

    FORWARDS

    Clarke MacArthur ($3.250m) / Kyle Turris ($3.500m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)

    Mark Stone ($0.603m) / Mika Zibanejad ($0.894m) / Mike Richards ($3.853m—33.00%)

    Erik Condra ($1.250m) / Stephane Da Costa ($1.250m) / Mike Hoffman ($1.250m)

    Colin Greening ($2.650m) / Zack Smith ($1.888m) / Chris Neil ($1.900m)

    Jean-Gabriel Pageau ($0.613m) /

    DEFENSEMEN

    Roman Josi ($4.000m) / Erik Karlsson ($6.500m)

    Marc Methot ($3.000m) / Jared Cowen ($3.100m)

    Patrick Wiercioch ($2.000m) / Cody Ceci ($0.894m)

    Chris Phillips ($2.500m) /

    GOALTENDERS

    Craig Anderson ($3.188m)

    Robin Lehner ($2.250m)

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    • Brutus5247

      Wiercioch is gone IF they can find a taker.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        What? Weic is a guy that the team should build around.. He’s going to be a very good 2nd pairing defenceman and if we trade him away it will be our mistake.

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        Be a foolish move to trade Wiercioch. Very foolish

    • Doc

      You honestly think that we could get Josi for Spezza, on top of them adding a third?

      Sorry to disappoint, but they wouldn’t do Josi for Spezza straight up.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Josi is a #2 D man on the Sens and will be a #3 D man on NSH when Jones is a bit more mature, Spezza is a #1 C on either team. The fact is that a #1C is worth a lot more than a #1 D even. So yes I believe Spezza is more valuable than Josi.

        Don’t under value Spezza or over value Josi.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Spezza: 30 year old #1 Center with one year remaining on his contract.

          Josi: 24 year old # 2 dman signed for 6 more season at only $4M

          Age and contract status make Josi more valuable than Spezza.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            He will be dealt with an extension in place. And, he will be dealt on July 1st for Josi and a 2015 2nd rd pick. The extension will be 7 years at $6.75M (same as Thornton in cap hit but longer)

          • Doc

            Did that work in NHL 14′?

        • Doc

          Sorry but that’s just plain wrong.

          Josi has top 2 D potential for sure. He would be number 2 with Karlsson. He’s 24, has tremendous upside, and signed to a very good contract until 2020.

          Also, it’s the other way around. Ds are worth more than forwards.

          You seem to forget that Spezza is only signed for another year, has major injury history, and will commend another big contract.

          You can think what you want, but if Murray calls up Poile and offers him Spezza for Josi and a third, Poile hangs up laughing.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            You can think whatever you want man. But, you should hope I’m right. Josi would look great on the Sens and if we can get him for Spezza then we win that deal….

          • Doc

            Oh I’m not saying it wouldn’t be awesome to trade for the kid. Heck, I’d gladly eat crow if there’s even a remote possibility that we can get him. In reality I just don’t think it’s realistic.

            My comment was more that we would need to add to Spezza for Poile to even consider the trade. The kid is going to be something special.

          • sbs138

            I think its funny that you are talking about players that you probably know nothing, or next to nothing, about. you watch all the Nashville games??

  • Doc

    You just had to, didn’t you? *sigh*

    This should be good.

  • FistsofNeil25

    How’s this for off the board..

    To Washington – Jason Spezza + Hemsky’s UFA rights + 4th round pick

    To Ottawa – Marcus Johansson + Tom Wilson + 13th overall + Grabovski’s UFA rights

  • EK65

    I’m not usually one to be negative on here, but I don’t have a good feeling about the Spezza deal. The fact that he wants out, has injury history, and there is plenty of negative attention surrounding his 1-way play, etc. He IS still a legitimate scorer and point per game player, which will value any team he goes to. But I don’t think anyone is going to blow Murray out of the water, that’s all.

    • Doc

      Been trying to explain this to my fellow posters the last few weeks, but people seem to think we’ll get the moon for Spezza, because you know, PPG center and such…

      If you want my honest opinion, most fans will sorely be disappointed with the return. This is not me just being negative, it’s just how things work.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I think Murray’s comments yesterday kind of confirmed this.

    • Tooks

      Welcome to reality, took you awhile but you made it :)

  • Hax

    It’s all just spit-balling I know, but I find it interesting how many people are making some pretty big assumptions on players improving. It’s one thing to roll the dice a bit on Turris/Zibanejad as our top two centers (especially if we try to give them some help on their wings or with a solid 3C). But to expect guys like Lazar, DaCosta, Prince or others to jump in and save the day is asking a lot.

    Depends on what expectations are too I guess. If people look at next season as a “growth” season then okay since I do think that pretty much all our young guys are still improving. In two/three years Turris/Zibanejad could be a really solid 1/2 punch.

    But I really think we need to add a real no-doubt top line player to replace Spezza/Michalek/Hemsky or else we’re in trouble.

    • Doc

      Wait, what?? You mean Lazar won’t be named Captain next season and go on to score 30 goals?!?

      Pfffff…I call Shenanigans!

      • Tooks

        But he won a Mem Cup! He must be our top player?

        • KJ

          at the rate we are losing star players, he might be:)

    • WaitingSince92

      Also, we went through his last year where we expected at least 3 of our D to play way above their heads because our depth chart lacks both a first and second pairing D. Bad idea, even if it was financially motivated.

      • Tooks

        Yep, we’ve seen what happens when you expect much out of kids, its gonna be no different this year. It actually looks worse now that we’ve sent our better players out the door. (no not Michalek…)

    • FistsofNeil25

      Yeah there are a lot of players that will need to grow into their new roles. Turris is going to be the undisputed first line center. Zibanejad has to prove that he’s read for a full time role as the second line center. Stone and Hoffman still have to prove that they can stick around in the NHL, and in what capacity? Same goes for guys like Da Costa, Prince, Puempel, Lazar, and Pageau. Whoever earns a spot on the roster needs to show they can stick around and make an impact.

      Cowen needs to prove that last year was just a sophomore slump. Ceci has to avoid a sophomore slump. Wiercioch needs to show he can be a regular in the line-up.

      Hell even MacArthur and Ryan need to prove that they can help carry this team offensively without other veteran top six forwards to support them.

      Anderson needs to have a bounce back season. Lehner needs to show that he isn’t all hype and that he can be a good goaltender in this league.

      There are a shit-ton of question marks heading into next season. Next year will definitely be a growth year, much like this year ended up being. I think the future is bright, but the next year or two could be a struggle as our young players try to find their way in the NHL.

      • Tooks

        Damn thats alot to ask…we are seriously fucked. Well, good thing the 2015 draft is stacked!

      • Samuel Benzaquen

        The whole issue with all those questions is this: Yeah, they may improve in a couple years or two. We’ll see which ones pan out and which ones do not. The one that do pan out will start to want money for their contracts and ask to get the money they deserve. We won’t be able to keep half of them. Maybe one or two will stay but it won’t work. Also, when Turris’ and karlsson’s contracts are up they’ll be asking for big time money and if Melnyk cannot provide we will be left with a team with a bunch of developing prospects and crappy players kind of like now. We cannot keep waiting we have to sign our elite players and build a team for the now. Also, at some point our drafting will start to falter. It cannot keep up forever. In the next five years who knows what will happen to our drafting staff. When that happens we will be royally screwed because we could have one a Stanley cup with the players we gave away had we given them the money to play for it.

  • bluebuyyoo

    I have read that the Sens without Spezza will be pesky. Because pesky is good? Are the Kings pesky?

    • Brutus5247

      For 17 min a game the Sens were not PESKY. Unfortunately those were Spezza’s shift. When your captain is a lazy fk’er it affects the whole team.

      • Tooks

        Yep sure affected them in the years that we were contenders, damn…Maybe its the players we got now that is the problem?

        • Brutus5247

          -24

          • Tooks

            Karlsson -16

          • Sandy

            Is he the next guy driven out of town?

          • sbs138

            that would be my guess….or Ryan.

  • Max Power

    i’m hoping edmonton… won’t happen though

    eberle

  • WaitingSince92

    One thing we should all be thankful to Spezza for is that he virtually erased our former connotations with the number 19. It was a big deal at the time…

  • Tooks

    Where: Anaheim
    When: July 11, 2014
    Details: Spezza + PW46 for Cogliano + Etem + Helgesen

  • Nicholas Rawlins

    Gonna be a long season next year to be a sens fan, but I’ll give it a shot
    Spezza to Anaheim for the 10th selection, Sbisa and palmeiri

    • SensChirp

      Make sure to email that in!

  • zippy

    Date: June 26th (the day before the draft)
    To Ana: Spezza, 2015 2nd round pick
    To Ott: 2014 1st round pick, Silfverberg, 2015 1st (if
    Spezza resigns)

  • SensChirp

    A good read from Ian Mendes…

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=454646

    • Hax

      Great article from Mendes – should be required reading before anyone comments on the Spezza situation.

      • Michenator

        I completely agree. Ottawa is a brutal market to play in. We are great fans but are quick to throw people onto the transit way.

    • A-Train

      Great read. Sens fans are lucky to have Mendes.

      • KJ

        classiest journalist I know of in this market.

  • A-Train

    Going out on a limb:

    to St.Louis: Spezza

    to Ottawa: Bouwmeester

    One-for-one deal that goes down on July 5. Blues announce 5-year extension for Spezza.

  • spezzerman

    This team needs some good news.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      comment of the day!

  • FistsofNeil25

    With Spezza halfway out the door and the organization left to choose another captain, I think it’s time for them to completely turn the team over to the new young core.

    It’s time that Phillips and Neil accept their roles as depth pieces and not core pieces. I hope Murray and Maclean can sit down with these two and tell them that they would like to turn the team over to the next generation.

    It’s time to remove Phillips and Neil as the leadership core on this team. Tell both players that we want to remove the A’s from their jerseys and pass them on to the next group, but that we still want both to remain with the organization and be retire as Senators. If Phillips and Neil are okay with it then great, if not then we can accommodate them with a trade.

    Give an ‘A’ to Turris and Karlsson, and a third ‘A’ to one of Ryan, Methot, or MacArthur. It’s time to make a major change internally with these players and with Alfie and Spezza moving on, there isn’t a better time than now. Name three assistant captains and let the new leader emerge from the pack.

    It just doesn’t make sense for Neil and Phillips to be a part of the core of this team any longer. Phillips is a 6/7 defenseman and Neiler should be the 12/13 forward on the roster.

    It’s time for a full changing of the guard! Who’s with me?

    • Hax

      Not me. Well, not entirely anyway.

      I’d be fine with a younger playing jumping straight to captain and even with possibly giving one of the A’s to another younger player. But I don’t think you strip both guys of alternate status.

      Of course, it really should just come down to who are the real leaders in the room. The letters shouldn’t really be to “pick” a leader, they should simply be acknowledging who the leaders are already. So with that said, I wouldn’t want to see management decide in advance that any player should or shouldn’t have a letter. It should be based on an evaluation of who’s ALREADY leading.

      • A-Train

        I agree with this. While I understand the desire to move into the future, stripping the As off Philips and Neil seems to do more harm than good to this team.

        My guess is they give Karlsson an ‘A’ and make Philips the captain.

      • FistsofNeil25

        That’s a pretty fair answer but I would hope that Phillips and Neil aren’t the only two players left in that locker room that are still leading. If that’s the case then we have a pretty big problem.

        I just look at what’s happened in San Jose and I like how Doug Wilson sat down with Marleau and Thornton and pretty much told them they’re turning over the team to the young guys.

        I kind of just want us to take the same approach. This team shouldn’t belong to Phillips and Neil anymore. Not at their age and the state of their individual games.

        • Hax

          They’re not I’m sure of that. Turris, Methot, MacArthur, Ryan and others have shown leadership both in their play on ice and in comments from them or other players. But it doesn’t mean they’re “the” leaders.

          In any group dynamic, if you force something by naming someone leader when everyone pretty much knows someone else is the real leader it can cause problems.

          I love the SJ thing too but I’m going on the assumption that everyone on their team supported the change and was behind it 100%. If all the SJ players were looking to PM and JT all the time and suddenly management moved the letters and basically said “okay guys, follow these players now” that would be stupid.

          But since it seemed to work, I’m assuming that the leadership had already started to shift and moving the letters just made sense.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Why must you always be so damn level headed lol

        • Tooks

          Sorry but whats that about SJ? Thornton is Captain and Marleau has the A, whats changed? Only Boyle’s “A” is up for grabs.

          • FistsofNeil25

            They’re stripping Thornton of his captaincy. Told him he can stay and be a part of the solution or they will accomodate him with a trade. They want to move both him and Marleau and turn the team over to Couture, Pavelski, Vlasic etc

          • Tooks

            Where did you see that? Cant even find it on Sharks website?

    • Tooks

      We dont have any leaders, those guys you mentioned dont have an ounce of leadership in them, yet. Karlsson and Turris are so shy and whine alot. CMac would be a good choice as he is a vet but how long will he stay here?

      Methot, Ryan, all god choices but again the future is muddy with them staying here. The only guys we know are staying here are Phillips and Neil and they have tons of leadership and the kids probably do look up to them. Sad but yeah.

  • RandomThought

    OK!

    Spezza to Chicago for:

    Hjalmarsson
    Teuvo Teravainen
    2nd Round 2014

    • Dirk-Diggler

      now that would be awesome!

  • John Q. Spartan

    Save It For McDavid!

    • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

      Go Cheer for Eerie…

  • FBP

    I’m ready for anything with this trade. I don’t think I’ll be that upset with the return even if ends up being Erik Cole and a 2nd. I’m mostly just bummed that Spezza won’t be around.

    No matter the reason, it’s upsetting we’ve got a situation where players want out of or don’t want to sign in Ottawa.

    • Hax

      Maybe it’s my rose-colored glasses, but I don’t see the Spezza situation as an indication that players don’t want to be here. Though a Ryan contract extension on July 1st would go a long way to easing any concerns there.

      I think Spezza just got worn down being under so much pressure here. I don’t really blame him though I am a bit disappointed he ultimately felt he needed to move on. In a perfect world he’d have had a bit better luck this year and we’d have won a round in the playoffs. Then the consensus in Ottawa could have been “he’s a great leader and the future looks bright” rather than him essentially getting blamed for an (on paper) regression this year.

      Not that him moving on and the team going in a different direction is all bad of course.

      • FBP

        It’s true. Losing usually leads to unfortunate situations for all.

    • A-Train

      On players wanting out….

      How many top players spend a whole career with one franchise?

      As fans we got the best years out of Heatley, Alfredsson and probably Spezza. We’ll likely be getting Karlsson’s too.

      And all the signs point to a Ryan extension coming down the pipe soon.

      These aren’t the best days for the Ottawa Senators, but the situation isn’t so dire.

      • FBP

        Not many. It always just seems messy with us. Maybe it’s GMBM? Or maybe it’s just because I live here and follow the team closely and it always seems messy to fans.

        I’ll certainly feel better if we 7×7 Ryan on July 1st.

        • A-Train

          I definitely agree with the messy part. Feels like Edmonton some times. Not sure what’s behind it either.

  • Max Power

    We were in finals….
    aaaaaaand they’re gone

    • Max Power

      I meant to post a picture of the pizza line…

  • FistsofNeil25

    Dreger – “there are managers who over the past few data have told me that Murray isn’t going to get that return…Murray may get a late first round pick and a prospect or a mid first round pick and a player or lesser quality prospect…that may not be good enough but because of the market Spezza had competition….We know Ana was interested but Kesler’s in play…..Thornton’s in play, Stastny’s a free agent and on and on it goes. This is going to be a tough transaction for Ott…what is known is both sides [Spezza and Ott] want this done in an amicable fashion. This could be a win win”

    • Tooks

      Thats sounds like contradiction to me, he says Ottawa wont get what Murray wants but then says its a win-win?

    • spezzerman

      well, Anaheim isnt likely going to have Thornton or Kesler traded to them by a divisional rival. So, Spezza may be their one true option and if they have to compete against a couple other teams, it could be interesting. I really doubt Thornton is going anywhere. Its his choice and he just committed to the Sharks, one of the best teams in hte league who give him as good a shot at a Cup as anyone..

      While totally different players, obviously, Kesler is only 14 months younger than Spezza and has his share of health issues the past two seasons. He missed a comparable amount of time as Spezza, maybe a few games less the past two years. Not as long an injury history I know, but certainly a health risk at this point like any 30 year old NHLer.

    • Sandy

      I’m sure Dreger would expect the Leafs to get a lot if they ever traded Kadri…
      I really like TSN, but I don’t have that same feeling for Leafs loving Dreger..

  • Matthew Stevens

    Spezza +Prince (who requested a trade earlier this year)+ Da Costa
    To Nashville
    Josi + 1st round + Austin Watson

  • jimmyjohnson

    To LA
    Jason Spezza
    Brian Lee (signed at the draft as the 9th overall selection is being made)

    To Ottawa
    Anze Kopitar

    I think it’s a fair deal.

    We were nice enough to let them have him, they got their two cups. Now it’s out turn.

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    More negativity lol, sad. It really is.

    In the TOP 50 NHL ALL-TIME Points Per Game scorers there are 6 active players: Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, Jagr, Selanne and SPEZZA!

    There are 10-15 teams that are going to be at least kicking the tires. Especially considering they only have to pay him 4 million. Older, more washed up players go for huge deals at the deadline sometimes. If Murray is smart he’ll play gms against one another and dangle Spezza. There are teams that are going to want him, most teams that lacked offense. And don’t forget about that “team” that occasionally swoops in out of nowhere. One we don’t or barely even mention. His list eliminates 10. That leaves 19 total suitors. 10-15 of which whom will be talking to BM

    • Tooks

      Its already been reported that only 4-5 teams are interested and only 2 are serious. Next…

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        Ya, cause we’re in the loop on EVERYTHING GMs talk about. The media knows it all…

        Media knows what Teams want the media to know!….

        • Tooks

          Pretty much ya, when the GM does a newser and says teams arent that interested and offering lower value than what he expected.

          • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

            Pretty naive fella then ain’t ya?

      • Ian Robinson

        I didn’t realize teams who SHOW interest is the same as those who have interest. Next..

        • Tooks

          You learned something new, good for you!

          • Robinns14

            Well one of us should.

    • Miguel

      completely agree, since our great run in the playoffs last year, it has been a steady stream of bad news, it is getting depressing

  • Hax

    I’d like to see Murray come out and basically defend Spezza very soon. You can’t have the fan base thinking he’s running out on them. Does too much damage if he’s compared to Heatley etc.

    Nothing over the top – just some clarification that Jason has done everything asked of him and by indicating that he’s open to a trade now he’s giving Murray every opportunity to get full value back for him etc.

    Not only would it help throw water on the fan base, it would be a message to other players that we (as an org) aren’t going to let a player twist in the wind.

    • Tooks

      The Mendes piece is all fans need to read…

  • Ian Robinson

    Chirp is it only one entry per person or can someone list 4 teams with all the returns and each be counted individually?

    • SensChirp

      Lets go one entry per person. That is what everyone has been doing so far.

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        I’ll make one prediction…

        No one nails it perfectly

        • Tooks

          Thats a good bet!

        • FBP

          No way, I called it. Pile on the whisky.

      • Ian Robinson

        I like it. Makes it more difficult.

  • Hax

    Remember the rumors a couple years back of Smith for Hjalmarsson?

    Sigh – if only. (And I like Smith)

  • Miguel

    of a much bigger concern to me, and something I would like our media to start asking questions around, is the massive exodus ot top talent, running out of town like they were running from a burning building!
    We can put our head in the sand all we want, and laugh at Edmonton, but if we look at some of the top talent, that have asked to be traded, or left seemingly flying atta here as fast as they possibley could, I see Ottawa as a place that top level players do not want be a part of anymore, and the big question is WHY?
    Chara
    Cullen
    Heatley ( I know, but still he was a 50 goal scorer who wanted outta here asap )
    Alfie
    Hemsky
    and now Spezza
    and others who chose to leave for more money Gonchar Kuba, ( but they really did us a favour )
    while others refused to come here like Nash
    I am sure there are more,
    Whether we like it or not, we are becoming a city where the best players do not want to be a part of, and this should be a real concern for all of us Sens fans, so Bruce “eat-at-lot” Garrioch, instead of shitting on all our talent, start asking why the mass exodus?

    • Hax

      Chara was a Muckler screw up. Cullen was a rental. Hemsky was a rental. Heatley was running from the mob.

      I think you’re too close to it. I don’t think there’s any mass exodus. It’s just a phase where we have some players reaching (and passing) their prime. Happens to all teams.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Ya, on the flip side, Hossa wanted to stay and was devistated by the trade and also Havlat wanted to stay…

        • Hax

          Hossa was Muckler too wasn’t it? And some would argue that we did okay there (short term at least).

          And Havlat? I LOVED him but man he’s fragile.

          Not trying to say the org hasn’t made plenty of mistakes, I just don’t think it’s an epidemic really.

          Again, a Ryan extension could go a long way to that end.

          • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

            I woulda loved Mach 9 back for another go around… But then he injured his groin jumping on the ice for a shift… Jeeeezzzz

        • Sandy

          Disagree on Havlat. He told the team he wanted to try free agency. Ottawa didn’t have the room to pay him a lot of salary.

          • KJ

            Ottawa was one of the 1st teams to get really screwed by the cap. We had a bunch of stars to sign right around that time IIRC.

            Chara was negatively affected by the Muckler orchestrated Hossa sign and trade. He also wanted to be Captain. Out he goes. Havlat trade may be of the worst the Sens have ever made.
            None of the players we got back for him are even playing any more I don’t think. The prospect never made it to the bigs.

            In hindsight. I wish the Hossa trade never ever happened. he was my favorite Sen at the time, and now looking back at Heatley onwards, Uggggggggggg.

      • Miguel

        what i find ironic ias that you said that I was speculating?
        and this comment is factual?
        Fact is within the last year we have had 4 top 6 players leave this org, buy their own accord, cause they do not want to play here, or ask to be graded….. that my friend is not a good trend.
        Name another team that has lost that many top 6 in one year?

    • FistsofNeil25

      We have no right to laugh at Edmonton or Toronto anymore. Our reputation has taken a pretty big hit over the last couple years to the point that we’re as much of a laughing stock as those teams.

      • Tooks

        Wow, would never in a million years think you would say that. Its true but damn.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I love this team but I’m not going to kid myself by thinking that they have a position public image right now. We can bounce back from this but this is one of the darkest periods in the history of the organization.

          The future can be bright but Murray has to build proprely the next couple years and Melnyk needs to spend when the time is right. Otherwise we’re just the Leafs, Oilers or Islanders.

          • Michenator

            I think we all need to take a deep breath. We’re a young exciting team that had GIANT growing pains last season. I think people really underestimate the effect of losing a player/leader like Alfie and also the pressure of now being a playoff team with high expectations, where as before all the numbers were against us. We’re still growing and I think getting rid of Spezza is gonna give a positive charge to this team. I hope Spezza finds himself somewhere that will appreciate him more than Ottawa, he deserves it.

            All in all, I am beyond excited to see what happens in the next month, that may dictate whether we should actually panic or not. SIGN RYAN!

          • FistsofNeil25

            I was talking more about the public opinion of the team, not just fans of the team, but fans of other teams, and players from other teams.

            Over the last few years we had a 50 goal scorer demand a trade, the face of the franchise leave as a free agent, and now a #1 center ask to be moved. These are all things that will make people look at our situation and be like “what the hell is going on in Ottawa”

            Then we have an owner who won’t/can’t spend on the team, and every time he opens his mouth it makes pretty much everyone who’s listening cringe. Melnyk is an owner who has gone on radio in Toronto and said that he’s proud of the Toronto Maple Leafs for what they had done last season before their collapse. He’s an owner who says as a Canadian, how can you not cheer for Montreal? He makes his own organization look bad time after time.

            I was just saying that the Sens public image has taken a big hit and we’re right down at the same level of Toronto, Edmonton, NYI in that respect.

          • Tooks

            Oh no what happened to your profile pic?!?! Has Neil been traded!! haha

    • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

      Chara: Getting the chance to be a Captain and lead, Muckler
      Cullen: Money, Comfort.. Nsh. Not THAT far to Carolina
      Heatley: Hated Clouston….. I don’t blame him anymore and understand. I hated Clouston…. From day 1….
      Spezza: Doesn’t like getting booed
      Alfie: Chose himself to leave, and chose himself to sign 30 mins into UFA day
      Hemsky: Wants too much, injury prone

      Oh and who gives a shit about Kuba

      • Miguel

        yup, we can say all we want but they all wante ooutta here…. excuses are for losers, and with all of the top level players wanting to get the hell otta here, it is becoming more of the norm than the exception… just sayin

        • Hax

          That’s so inaccurate.

          • Miguel

            Sorry Hax,
            Alfie
            Hemsky
            now Spezza, those are all top level players that do not want to be here in the last year. Pretty factual and accurate to me

          • Hax

            Sorry to you too Miguel – how is that “all of the top level players”? And what (beyond speculation) tells you that they want “to get the hell otta here”?

          • MethotToMyMadness

            You can’t really include Hemsky. He was brought here via a trade he couldn’t control and played very well while her, which was more of an audition. But he’s going to be a UFA and if you put your career in mind and you know you are up for the biggest payday possible, and get to choose where that would be, what would you do?

      • Hax

        Slight correction on Chara – the straw that broke that camel’s back was Muckler telling Chara’s camp that he couldn’t make an offer but at the same time making an offer to Redden. Chara saw that as Muckler both lying for one and secondly choosing Redden over Chara so he walked.

        I’ll also admit that at the time I thought Redden was the right guy to keep if we could only have one – boy was I wrong.

        • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

          HaHaHa you and me both, you and me both… Stupid loyalty

        • Miguel

          completely agree, but again we cannot avoid the fact that our best talent, does not want to be here anymore… a very disturbing trend!
          Edm of the East ;-(

          • Hax

            Depends on who you define as our best talent. Turris? Ryan? Karlsson? Anderson? Lehner?

    • A-Train

      Deep breath. Now, look at your list of players. You are reaching back 8 years for this “massive exodus”, “burning building” stuff.

      Franchises go through cycles. Players come and go. Alfie, Spezza, Heatley all played their best hockey here for long stretches.

      A small market team in a cold, northern city will always have a tough time. But we’ve been elite before, just like Edmonton and Calgary have.

    • Sandy

      Chara was a dumb mistake by an incompetent GM.
      Cullen wanted to play in Minnesota.
      Heatley didn’t like Clouston or his demotion to the 2nd PP unit. Heatley was loved in Ottawa, it wasn’t the fans who drove him out.
      Alfie was disrespected by the Owner.
      Hemsky was a rental who wants to play in the playoffs. You can’t blame him for that. There is no guarantee that the Sens make the playoffs next season.
      Spezza was driven out of town by the media and the fans. He has taken a lot of criticism since he started in Ottawa. I don’t blame him for wanting out.

  • Hax

    Here’s hoping the Rangers win the next three games, with the Kings going a combined 0-17 on their powerplay.

    Then the Kings can get in on the Spezza bidding as well and drive the price up.

    • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

      A big BlockBuster landing us Williams and Toffoli =D

  • FistsofNeil25

    So if Dreger’s comments are true about opposing GM’s saying we won’t get our asking price and that he will only get a roster player/mid prospect + mid 1st or a top prospect and late first… assuming the trade goes down before the draft..

    Anaheim

    Bonino + 10th overall
    Palmieri + 10th overall
    DSP + 24th overall
    Etem + 24th overall
    Rakell + 24th overall

    St Louis

    Berglund + 21st overall
    Sobotka + 21st overall
    Jaskin + 21st overall

    Nashville

    Wilson + 11th overall
    Spaling + 11th overall
    Ellis + 11th overall

    Could these be close to what we should be expecting as a return at this point?

    • Tooks

      Thats bang on brother! Thats why I think ANA is our trading partner and would be happy with the top 3 trades you posted.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      I would say you are getting close as well, especially if Ottawa is valuing the pick as one of the highest points of return, which we don’t know for sure yet. Ottawa has been pretty good with anything 15th and under so far.

      Anaheim offers the best 1st rounder, if Ottawa gets that pick back. And for Anaheim it’s not going to hurt too bad, because they still have a 1st. Nashville is the next best pick in that list. St. Louis offering the 21st, it’s starting to be a gamble, so I’d put St. Louis further out, unless they offer up a big player then we all expect.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yeah I don’t think the pick will be a deciding factor in the value of the trade offers. It will be the roster player or prospect that Murray will value greater than any draft pick.

        • MethotToMyMadness

          That is true, unless the trade ends up being with a team like Florida who offers the 1st rounder. I would think a situation like that, would see the roster player being of less value.

          But all that being said, Murray did say he wants a player that can help this team now. So by help, does he mean top 6? I would have to think so, because we have more than enough bottom 6 guys. And we are losing a complete 2nd line.

      • Hax

        I’ll be curious to see (or hear) how much we really want a pick back. You have a good point that we’ve done well with mid-first picks, but we’ve also done better than most teams with second round and beyond. So does that mean we covet picks or that we feel we don’t need a lot of them?

  • Robinns14

    To say that Spezza’s return will be less than we are all hoping I think is obvious at this point. However, I think it’s unfortunately short sighted by some of us to suggest that we’ll get fleeced or that he isn’t worth anything. I think if we hope for the world in return we’ll be disappointed, but if we expect less we will be pleasantly surprised.

    Also worth noting, Murray doesn’t HAVE to trade him. He would absolutely not sit out if not traded – which is more of Heatley territory.

    Personally, I think we’ll do better in this deal than Heatley.

    • Hax

      Agreed. Most people seem to think Murray feels compelled to get a first round pick this year back. While I think he’ll take it if he gets a deal he think will work I don’t think he’s in any rush. The offers for Spezza will only build as the summer moves along and he can wait until late August if he wants to (though I doubt he will). I doubt he wants to start camp with Spezza – or, more accurately, I doubt he thinks he’ll have to. If he didn’t feel he could get the right deal over the summer he wouldn’t have made the comments he did. He’d be talking as if Spezza’s coming back so there’s no major problem if he ultimately decides to move him during next season.

      • Robinns14

        Agreed as well. I think he will be traded shortly before Free Agency opens. One team will bite and want to swing the deal so that they know the position they are in prior to signing UFA’s.

        • Hax

          Here’s where we disagree. I think any team paying a premium for Spezza will want ink on an extension first. I just can’t see a team offering more before July 1st than after.

          Though depending on the specific team(s) involved it could happen I suppose. My money is on July 1st or later though.

    • A-Train

      Considering the circumstances and with the benefit of hindsight, we actually did OK in the Heatley deal.

      • Robinns14

        I’m not arguing that, I just think this one will turn out better.

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        I don’t, Definitely don’t. Wilson probably still brags about that one to this day

        2 time 50 goal scorer for Cheechoo, Michalek and a draft pick we turned into Andy Sutton…

        We got ONE good year out of 9MM

        • A-Train

          Well, I did say “considering the circumstances”. Cheechoo and the pick are throwaways, sure. But Michalek has been a decent player for us, and Heatley’s decline was pretty swift in San Jose.

        • Pugnacious Serf

          How many 50 goal seasons did douche Dan get in San Jose again?
          Healtey has scored 112 goals since the trade, Michalek 87… Considering Heatley’s pedigree and his decent to super lazy, we got the better all around player.

          • A-Train

            Reality joins the discussion!

          • Hax

            Don’t forget the 5 goals from Cheechoo and 1 goal from Sutton!

          • bluebuyyoo

            Sutton’s hit on Leopold and the post game “expert” interview were worth a good chunk of that trade :-)

          • Hax

            Agreed. Big picture!

          • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

            Or Michalek’s 157 points since the trade and the Hetard’s 248… I don’t like defending Heatley. But in no way shape or form will I ever agree that we did OK, circumstances or no circumstances.

          • Hax

            I think whatever damage Heatley would have done in the room has to be considered. By all accounts, Michalek is an excellent teammate and very well liked while Heatley (apparently) was a polarizing figure and caused problems.

            Who knows for sure but I think if I had owned a crystal ball I would have been okay with the trade at the time.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Still a horrible deal.. And I suspect the only reason we are considering resigning him is to appear to save face.

        Could Murray have done better.. I doubt it, but doesn’t mean it is a favourable trade for us now

  • Bob19

    To edm- spezza

    To ott- eberle 1st 2015

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Keep dreaming

      • Bob19

        Haha I know I know never gonna happen the only reason I put this is because at the start of the season me and buddy we’re talking hockey and for some reason we got on the topic of trading spezza..buddy is a big ol oiler homo by the way. He’s always crying about how they should trade the number one pick that they usually have to get better now and he always talks about how eberles the odd man out of the kids so I offered him spezz for eberle and there pick this year and he said he would take it haha. To bad he wasn’ a gm. I figure Edmonton will be just as bad next year as this year because well who am I kidding it’s the oilers there a disgrace to Alberta so I figured I’d throw in their first next year in a better draft… Let a man dream boys

        • sprucesens

          good to see there are some more sens fans in Edmonton area!

    • Hax

      Ha. I can think of three things wrong with that trade.

      • Pasky

        Edmonton, Eberle, 2015 1st

        Amiright

    • Doc

      Welcome! You’ll fit right in!

  • spoons

    I’m curious what the asking price would be for Florida’s 1st. That is what I think Murray should be going after.

  • AutoTurris

    I still think something fishy is going on here. Why the hell would Murray make it public he requested a trade in the middle of negotiations? It doesn’t make any freaking sense

    • Doc

      Trying to build value.

      Offers are probably not good as of yet.

    • Hax

      I don’t like when Murray does this either but I assume he feels it will drive the price up. Why he can’t just make 29 phone calls to say Spezza’s available I don’t know.

      • A-Train

        I don’t like it either. But I suppose it might put the perception of some fan/media pressure on teams like St.Louis. Also lets the Ottawa fan base know, without a doubt, that Spezza wants to leave.

        • MethotToMyMadness

          Agreed, saying up front that Spezza asked, keeps the whole Alfie thing from happening, where it looks like a complete sh!tshow and it drove him away.

      • sbs138

        why can’t he just send 1 email?

    • Turbo_Prop

      It may have just been a case of making public something that was widely known.

      I’m sure it has been obvious enough to the other GM’s that Spezza is being shopped around.

      I think the idea in making it public was to let the fans know that Spezza wants out.

    • Phil.

      Murray may have known that the agent was talking to other GMs and that the news was going to get leaked anyway, ie staying ahead of the news.

      • sbs138

        is an agent allowed to talk to other teams when their client is already under contract? not sure if that’s just a GM thing or not. tampering???

  • CaMo

    On draft day Spezza is getting flipped to Anaheim for Jacob Silferberg, Stefan Noesen and our first round pick back….. Wouldn’t that be something?

    I hope they go after Florida’s 1st rounder though.

    • Hax

      It would make for an interesting story but given the Silfverberg didn’t stand out and Noesen got badly injured I would say “no thanks”.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Silfverberg always takes 3 years to show his goods in a league, I’d take him back but forget Norman

        • Hax

          I wouldn’t be against Silfverberg but I think his value is a bit less than it was this time last year. Of course he can change that I guess.

          I was a huge Noesen fan and I actually hope he pans out but I wouldn’t want to be the team taking the risk.

          And I’m already on record that a first rounder in 2014 is “meh” at best – especially outside the top 3 picks.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          And by Norman I mean noesen…. But let’s also ignore Norman, too nerdy

  • Robinns14

    Just out of curiosity – what’s the general consensus on where** Spezza is headed? I think Anaheim.

    • AutoTurris

      See above

    • A-Train

      St.Louis

    • Hax

      Great idea for a poll question.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Hahahaha

      • Doc

        Lol.

        You wouldn’t happen to have a sharp object I could stick in my eye by any chance?

        • Robinns14

          Sure I’d be more than happy to provide one.

    • Tooks

      sigh…

    • Robinns14

      Oh, my bad. I can’t ask a question that’s mentioned above? Maybe some people don’t just want to put others. But hey, keep up the negativity guys! Sounding like Leaf fans.

      • Hax

        Easy man. It’s the internet and it’s also Sens “chirp”. Don’t get riled up by a few people poking fun at you not noticing the poll question before you posted.

        • Robinns14

          I noticed it. Just thought there may be people who think outside of those 5, they wanted to expand on Other.

          • Hax

            Technically that wouldn’t be a “general consensus” then. Maybe that’s why some felt you missed the poll.

            Either way – a couple of quips isn’t worth getting riled over.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Welcome to the Internet

          • Robinns14

            Clever.

  • Doc

    I love how some of you made a 180 in the last week or so.

    You try and be the voice of reason and people argue with you. Now, things come to light publicly and everyone is all surprised.

    Doom and gloom.

  • A-Train

    Chirp, I have a question for you (or anyone else on here close to the franchise):

    Any idea how much the organization works on its messaging when it comes to Bryan Murray? Does he craft these kinds of announcements with PR people, or just shoot from the hip?

  • Brandon Miller

    STL have too many good Dman for the Sens to get back a top 6 F..

    St. Louis
    Spezza
    4th rd pick in 2014

    Ottawa
    Shattenkirk
    1st rd pick in 2014

    • CaMo

      I’d do that one in a heartbeat.

      • Tooks

        Hahah ofcourse you would, STL wouldnt to this.

  • CaMo

    If we can score Spezza for Florida’s 1st overall and draft Sam Bennet I would be thrilled. The kid is a stud. Bobby Ryan would love him too , they could both not work out together. #NoPullUpClub

    • Hax

      I can’t see Florida trading the first overall without any guarantee that Spezza extends.

      • Tooks

        Even IF he extends, no way they pass up Ekblad.

    • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

      I can’t see Florida not being on that 10 team list

      • CaMo

        I don’t think florida would be on his no-go 10 teams, lots of guys like to play there and spezza strikes me as that kind of guy. But I guarantee Edmonton and Buffalo are on his list, so there’s that lol.

        • Hax

          Let’s not forget that even if it is on that 10 team list it doesn’t mean Spezza can’t still waive to go there.

          Essentially the list of 10 really means there are 19 teams where Murray can trade Spezza without even asking Spezza. For the 10 on the list he can still ask Spezza to waive. So my guess is that Spezza might have had as much trouble coming up with 10 teams as we all are having so there might 6-7 that are written in stone and 3-4 where he’d be open to a trade.

          If Florida is on the official list I bet Murray might still see what Florida would offer.

          • CaMo

            That’s true. I’d guess Jersey, Winnipeg and Calgary would be a few more of the teams set in stone.

          • KJ

            Murray has a rep for trying to help out loyal players. See Mike Fisher. If he likes them personally, he will try and trade with a team that works for both sides. If Spezza likes Florida, then he’ll be going there if an acceptable deal can be worked out.

    • karlssens

      seriously though… how do you not do one pull-up

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        If they are doing actual pullups you’d be surprised how few can do it from a fully extended arm

        • Hax

          Pullups were invented by little guys so we can feel stronger than big guys once in a while.

          A 230lb guy doing a pullup is way tougher than a 175lb guy.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Unfortunately for Bennett, he’s one of those 175 lb guys lol

            I don’t think people should put much stock in to that sort of thing though.

          • Hax

            That specific motion doesn’t translate much to hockey. I’d be more concerned with pushing exercises and of course leg strength.

          • Doc

            Yes and no.

            Pull-ups (not chin ups) are one of the best all around exercises you can do. It pretty much works everything in your upper body.

            Shoulders, chest, back, lats, traps, abs, arms…

          • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

            Was shocking and a little amusing for me

          • Tooks

            Well it is a bit alarming? Weakling much? Luckily his strength will grow.

          • CaMo

            I bet most of that 175 is in his legs. Probably makes it that much harder when all the weight is dangling at the bottom. Seriously though … at least get one in.

          • Doc

            It’s all about strength to weight ratio.

            If your 230 and in shape, you’ll have no problems doing pull-ups. If you’re 230 lbs of fat, then you need to cut out the carbs!

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Out of the unlikely places Spezza lands(perceived destinations on the no trade list) where would you think is most likely.

    I’ve gotta go with Florida

    -wife would love it
    -think he and Lou would get along great and have a million laughs about being a scapegoat…. I could just see lungs twitter being hilarious about this
    -weather and scenery is nice
    -they have pieces we’d want

    • son of a Diefenbaker

      ….. annnnnddddd Florida taxes are LOW
      If JS19 signs a fair to both sides 3 or 4 year contract extension he’d be set for life

      • Dirk-Diggler

        he already is set for life!

        • Tooks

          ^this^

        • son of a Diefenbaker

          hmmmm – I guess Canadian taxes aren’t as bad as I thought

          13% HST in Ontariariario though

      • FistsofNeil25

        lol set for life! A man who’s going to have made $64 750 000 in careers earnings by the end of his current contract is already set for life.

        • KJ

          and if you account for a 49% tax rate, your still laughing assuming the money is managed correctly.

  • karlssens

    I would obviously like a deal to St. Louis.

    Spezza + Gryba
    Shattenkirk + rattie + conditional 2015 1st

    • Karlsson’s Euchre Partner

      i like that too! that’s the trade i submitted for my Predict the Trade… but added a 4th rd pick going to STL..

    • Sandy

      St Louis doesn’t have their 2015 first round pick, that sit’s with Buffalo.

  • Phil.

    Win, Cal, Edm, LI, NJ, Was, Car, Buf, Nash, C-bus, FL
    That’s 11 teams I think could be on the 10 no trade list. If he dislikes criticism Tor and Mtl are not great destinations, but he and his agent know Murray would probably not trade him there anyway, so no need to put on the list.
    Seem reasonable?

    • Hax

      Yeah seems reasonable to me. And mostly in the correct order in that if any aren’t on the list they’d be towards the end of your list. Like Nashville and Florida.

      But if his motivation is 100% about not being a whipping boy (and FWIW I don’t think that’s his only motivation) then maybe he’d be open to Carolina, Washington or Long Island too??

  • Brock

    Anaheim: Spezza, Weircioch
    Ottawa: Etem, DSP, 10th overall pick

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    Wish we could get a hold of that 10 team list…

    My opinion

    Calgary, Carolina, Edmonton, Florida, New Jersey, Islanders, Phoenix, Vancouver, Winnipeg, Dallas

    I doubt he goes anywhere East, Unless a team over pays and BM can’t refuse. No way he moves within the division. So that actually leaves about 12 Teams total realistically that Spezza will get traded to. Narrowing it down

    As per my list Rangers, Penguins, Flyers, Caps, Blue Jackets, Ducks, Sharks, Kings, Hawks, Blues, Avalanche, Wild

    • Hax

      I think I’d switch CBJ and Phoenix on your lists. Phoenix has the better weather/off-ice life and I think is trending in a better direction than CBJ. Not by much though.

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        I’m narrowing it more down lol. Seems NYR is the only logical possible East destination and the other 7 in the west

        Ducks, Sharks, Kings, Hawks, Blues, Avalanche, Wild

        8 total

        • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

          9 Maybe with Phoenix. Don’t know if he’d want to move to the desert though

          • MethotToMyMadness

            Would Chicago even come up in conversations? The talk there is only small changes if any would be made. But we already know that Hanzus isn’t expected to be signed, would that leave the 2nd line C open for a guy like Spezza? Would they even be belt afford it cap wise? They have Niklas Hjalmarsson who was linked to Ottawa before, BM was high on him. That could be a good starting point. That or we go after another vet in Sharp, or a younger Saad? Hard to see them jumping in, but it’s usually always a team we didn’t see coming.

          • Hax

            Chicago is one of the few teams where I think their dislike of Spezza’s style of play would outweigh their need for more offense. Though would love to have HJ on our team.

    • Tooks

      You have 5 East teams in there, which none have been reported as interested…

    • aegiszx

      Holy shit if Pens, Kings, or Hawks land Spezza…

      Any of:
      …Kunitz – Spezza – Neal
      …Gaborik – Spezza – Toffoli
      …Sharp – Spezza – Hossa

      Fuck off. Seriously…

  • Tooks

    Wow STL running away with the vote so far. What do people expect out of STL, we already know it wont be top end guys so what? Whats better than Bonino/Palmieri/DSP?

    • Jordan Hendren

      Almost anything would be better than Bonino/Palmieri/DSP, they’re all 3rd liners at BEST.

  • sprucesens

    yay chirp, you used my idea!! lol, I feel so important! I will submit my list tonight! also, can out of towner’s win still?

  • FBP

    I hope it’ll work out for us that the team blazing through the Stanley Cup Final is crammed with C depth. Other west teams will think they need better C depth and will give us good things for an elite C.

  • BigDaddy

    Two deals Murray will chose from:

    Spezza + Weir for Shattenkirk +
    Spezza + Wier for Josi +

    Pretty much spezza for a top pairing d with some prospects/picks making up the rest

    • Dirk-Diggler

      try and keep Weircioch and replace him by Methot in that trade scenario… If anything add a prospect like Pageau or Da Costa…

      Build the team around a young core of D men

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Move methot…. What?!?

        • Dirk-Diggler

          Methot is older and while I like him, I don’t think he has a ton of skill. He’s a #4 D man at best on a good team. Weircioch has the potential to be a good #3 guy.

          The Sens are not going to win the cup next year or the one after… but I expect them to challenge starting in 16/17 and by then Weircioch will be a much better player than Methot.

          So I’d rather keep the guys that will be in their prime or close to their prime in the 16/17 season.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            I’m all for keeping wiercioch, but not sure if move methot just yet… We need some veterans

          • Dirk-Diggler

            A few veterans are good to have around I agree… Those key veterans are MacArthur, Ryan, Turris and Karlsson. I know KT and EK are young but those are the guys that the kids should be looking up to and admiring. Look at Chicago, it’s their young guys like Keith and Taves that are the leaders.

      • Hax

        I’m not sure I agree with valuing Wiercioch over Methot.

        Edit: I see now that you meant in order to get the deal done.

        • Dirk-Diggler

          Right now methot is better than Weircioch but in a few years from now Weircioch will be a much better player!

          • Hax

            Not sure if I agree. I think that even in 16/17 when you expect a run Methot will be a valuable asset. I like Wiercioch too though.

  • Don Ciccio

    I would say the list includes Tor, Calgary, Edm, Mtl, Wpg, Van, NJ, Carolina, NYI, Wsh, and BUF

    • RUSH RLZ

      If he was wiley, he wouldn’t bother with MTL or TOR on his list, we would never send him there anyways…

      • Don Ciccio

        yup

      • sprucesens

        I was thinking that too. If I was smart, I’d pick the teams I REALLY don’t want to play for, then only pick teams in the west that I don’t want to be traded to, since its less likely to be traded in conference/division as is.

  • JayRuN

    To st. Louis: jason spezza, patrick wiercoch, 2nd round pick in 2015

    To ottawa: kevin shattenkirk, ty rattie, 21st overall

  • ZBADFORMAYOR

    all over Toronto sports radio today….Rumoured packed is Kadri, Gardiner, 1st round pick and a prospect for Spezza. Leafs want Spezza bad….Make Marc Methot Captain !!!

    • esk

      hmmm lol

    • RUSH RLZ

      If that is true, Leafs nation radio is rated R for “retarded”. Not a chance in hell we would trade a key player like that down the 401. Ever.

      • FistsofNeil25

        At this point why the hell not lol Kadri+Gardiner+1st+prospect is way better than anything else we’re going to get offered… and I don’t even like Kadri or Gardiner! But no one is going to offer us a package as valuable as that.

        Bryan would be doing to team a great disservice if he didn’t trade him for the best offer, regardless of which team the offer is coming from.

        • esk

          yeah i would take that deal in a heartbeat

        • sprucesens

          yup, can always flip those players for other offers elsewhere, if there is interest.

      • spezzerman

        I’d take that in a heartbeat.

      • Rafi Bomb

        Why wouldn’t we trade to a divisional rival? I don’t necessarily like that package, but it isn’t a bad start. If they are willing to keep adding, then it might be the best deal available.

    • Spezza for Kadri

      … is what it will be

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      If that offer is on the table take it now

      • Hax

        Yup. Or try to find some team that like Kadri/Gardiner enough to give us something better. As much as I don’t like Kadri, he’d be worth taking the rest of that package. And maybe with some better leaders in the room he can dial down the douchebaggery.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Except we don’t have leaders

        • sprucesens

          take the package above, then trade kadri and something for Richards from LA? seems like an idea

    • Sandy

      I also read on Hockeybuzz from their Leafs blogger, that Dan Boyle’s top choice to play next season is with the Leafs.
      For one, I don’t believe a word of that.
      Question is, IF Murray can’t get anything comparable to that, would he ever consider that trade. I don’t like Kadri’s attitude at all. Their 1st round pick is 8th this year.
      What I would ask for is Lupul, Gardiner, their 2014 first and their 2015 first rounder. If they really want Spezza, then make them pay threw the nose.

      • Hax

        Much better package I agree.

    • Rafi Bomb

      I would trade Spezza to the Leafs, but only if they give us Kadri and JVR in return. If they want him so badly then they can pay a premium for him.

    • sprucesens

      honestly, if that’s the case do it. change out gardiner and the prospect for JVR. Then they can have spezza for a year. Then when he signs with a contender in the quiet south, in 1 year, they’ll have nothing, and they won’t have won this year. I hate kadri, but I’d rather have him not playing against us, than playing against us in the blue. Gut the leafs for 1 year of spezza, I’m all for that. lol

      • Jakester

        I would take Kadri , Gardner, and their first in a heartbeat!

        • Jakester

          Then you try to trade up from their pick

          • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

            And flip Kadri… ugghhhh Shudder

  • FistsofNeil25

    If it’s St Louis like a large group of you guys think it will be, will we be satisfied with Berglund+Jaskin for Spezza?

    • Spezza for Kadri

      Jaskin – a RUSSIAN born Czech
      Does he pass Eugene’s litmus test ?

    • KJ

      I actually think this trade will happen but there will be a pick in there as well.

  • aegiszx

    Holy shit if Pens, Kings, or Hawks land Spezza…

    Any of:
    …Kunitz – Spezza – Neal
    …Gaborik – Spezza – Toffoli
    …Sharp – Spezza – Hossa

    Fuck off. Seriously…!

    • aegiszx

      It will be interesting to see what Spezza can do with 2 legit wingers assuming he goes to a contender…

      • esk

        obviously he is going to rack up 80+pts

    • Dirk-Diggler

      What would be a Pit return?

      Would you trade Spezza (salary retained 50%) and Anderson for

      Letang ($1M retained life of contract) and Flower?

      Pit saves a ton of cap space and we get a dynamic D man that can skate just as well as Karlsson (best 1-2 d pairing in the league) and Flower to play with Lehner. Lehner would still be playing 35-40 games next year and the best guy going into the playoffs next year starts.

      • Hax

        Can’t stand Fleury and if we had Letang we’d need two pucks so he didn’t have to share with Karlsson.

        • Dirk-Diggler

          Or,

          Methot-Karlsson
          Cowen-Letang
          Weircioch-Ceci
          Phillips

          Those two first pairs would be extremely hard for opposing teams to handle because of the up tempo skating ability of the right d man and then our 3rd pairing are both capable of moving the puck and will draw lesser players against because opposition will be focused so much on pairing 1 and 2…

          It wouid also be a really exciting set of defencemen…

          • Hax

            Exciting yes, but do you think Letang will accept second-pairing minutes? Or either of them will accept some sort of 1A/1B ice time?

            I would never suggest both paired together outside of the power play.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            Both can play big minutes and leave the 3rd pairing with sheltered minutes to keep them at a competitive level…

          • Jakester

            Except Cowen on the 2nd pairing – skating ability?

      • Sandy

        Want no part of Letang or Flower.

        • aegiszx

          Apparently Letang is a headcase. A buddy of mine goes to college in Pitts and trains at the same gym as Letang. Hes said that Letang is really arrogant, and a lot of the guys on the team dont particularly like him (but do respect his skill).

          • Dirk-Diggler

            All these guys are tools… Alos, apprently Letang is a workout freak that stops at nothing to be the best of the best.. I don’t care if the guy is an asshole. I want him to be an asshole because he’s better than the opposition!

          • Rafi Bomb

            That sounds like the majority of hockey players lol.

      • Rafi Bomb

        Fleury is garbage. Why would you possibly want to trade for that guy? He hasn’t been a good goalie for years now.

    • Rafi Bomb

      He wouldn’t fit the Kings system at all. He doesn’t really do anything that fits “Kings” style hockey.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    CAPGEEK.COM ARMCHAIR GM ROSTER
    Ottawa & Pitt trade
    FORWARDS
    Clarke MacArthur ($3.250m) / Kyle Turris ($3.500m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
    Milan Michalek ($2.500m) / Mika Zibanejad ($0.894m) / Mark Stone ($0.603m)
    Mike Hoffman ($1.150m) / Stephane Da Costa ($1.250m) / Curtis Lazar ($0.894m)
    Chris Neil ($1.900m) / Zack Smith ($1.888m) / Erik Condra ($1.250m)
    Jean-Gabriel Pageau ($0.613m) /
    DEFENSEMEN
    Marc Methot ($3.000m) / Erik Karlsson ($6.500m)
    Jared Cowen ($3.100m) / Kris Letang ($6.163m—15.00%)
    Patrick Wiercioch ($2.000m) / Cody Ceci ($0.894m)
    Chris Phillips ($2.500m) /
    GOALTENDERS
    Marc-Andre Fleury ($5.000m)
    RETAINED SALARIES (4.92% of upper limit)
    Jason Spezza ($3.500m—50.00%)
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    • Hax

      I think you’re over budget. That’s without a backup goalie (or #1 IMO since I don’t like Fleury) and paying MM9 only $2.5M.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        oops i forgot to sign Lehner! Dammit!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Ottawa & Pitt trade
        FORWARDS
        Clarke MacArthur
        ($3.250m)
        /
        Kyle Turris
        ($3.500m)
        /
        Bobby Ryan
        ($5.100m)

        Milan Michalek
        ($2.500m)
        /
        Mika Zibanejad
        ($0.894m)
        /
        Mark Stone
        ($0.603m)

        Mike Hoffman
        ($1.150m)
        /
        Stephane Da Costa
        ($1.250m)
        /
        Curtis Lazar
        ($0.894m)

        Chris Neil
        ($1.900m)
        /
        Zack Smith
        ($1.888m)
        /
        Erik Condra
        ($1.250m)

        Jean-Gabriel Pageau
        ($0.613m)
        /

        DEFENSEMEN
        Marc Methot
        ($3.000m)
        /
        Erik Karlsson
        ($6.500m)

        Jared Cowen
        ($3.100m)
        /
        Kris Letang
        ($6.163m—15.00%)

        Patrick Wiercioch
        ($2.000m)
        /
        Cody Ceci
        ($0.894m)

        Chris Phillips
        ($2.500m)
        /

        GOALTENDERS
        Marc-Andre Fleury
        ($5.000m)

        Robin Lehner
        ($2.000m)

        RETAINED SALARIES (4.92% of upper limit)
        Jason Spezza ($3.500m—50.00%)

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        CAP SPACE (22-man roster): $11,650,833

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        • Hax

          So now WAY over budget. Plus it’s kind of a moot point since I can’t see Pitt trading away Letang or fitting Spezza in with Crosby and Malkin.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            Malkin and Crosby on the same line with Kunitz…

            Neal and Dupis on Spezza’s wing

  • ProfessorPower

    Spezza for Etem + DSP + 10th.

    Bruce Garrioch said the only UFA Murray wants to keep in Michalek…I hope not

    • Hax

      Michalek is a serviceable player. Though at this point he’d need to be a support player on a second line or just play on the third line. As long as keeping him doesn’t force anyone out or block us for getting someone better I’m fine with it.

      • Rafi Bomb

        He is more of a 3rd liner at this point and he isn’t overly gritty or tough for a big guy. I think his price tag will simply be too high given what he can bring to the table. He is likely a better reclamation pick up for another organization.

      • ProfessorPower

        what do you think he’ll be asking for?

        • Hax

          Michalek? I think he’s likely looking for $3M plus. But a bigger worry for me is term. If he wants 4 years or more then I’d pass as much as I like the guy.

    • Phoenix

      Michalek would be still a decent addition to the team if he resigns for less. It would give the young guys someone who knows the Sens In’s and Outs since he has been around for a little while. Maybe if he stays Jiri Sekac signs on. An Etem, DSP, 10th would be a nice return but I’d wondering if Florida would turn over the 1st, Huberdeau, Gudbrandson for a spezza and Cowen offer, or some form of deal.

      • Hax

        Your name also reminds me that getting Milo’s brother here some day has value itself. Maybe retaining Milan can help us sign Znynek next summer?

        • Phoenix

          Not a fan of his brother.

          • Hax

            I haven’t really paid attention to him in a couple of years TBH. But I remember at one point thinking he’d be a good addition.

      • FistsofNeil25

        1st overall + Gudbranson (3rd overall 2010) + Huberdeau (3rd overall 2011) for Spezza and Cowen.

        Dale Tallon would be fired. Actually, he would probably be executed if he made that deal.

        • Dirk-Diggler

          I’d take a bullet for him if that deal happened!

        • Phoenix

          Probably get fired but one can dream.

      • Rafi Bomb

        Isn’t Florida in a rebuild? I am not sure whether they would pursue that route given Spezza’s age and the structure of the rest of their team.

        • Phoenix

          Florida wants to compete now and are looking to build on what they have for their young depth.

          • sprucesens

            their young depth is gone in your scenario though. 1st and gudbrandson MAYBE for spezza cowen and our 2nd.

          • Sandy

            With Luongo in net, Spezza as #1 centre and Bjudgstad (sp?) as the 2nd line centre and the other good prospects they have, they could be in a better position next season to make the playoffs than the Sens. Realisticly.

    • Rafi Bomb

      That seems like the best package we could get for Spezza. Although with rumors that Dallas might be going hard after him maybe there is a chance we can get players like Nichushkin and Oleksiak.

      As far as Michalek goes, my guess is that he wants $4M per and the Sens are likely offering <$3M per. I don't really think a deal gets done.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I would love Etem+DSP+10th overall for Spezza but at this point after everything we’ve heard in the last two days, that isn’t likely to happen. We’ll likely get a fair amount less than that.

      Maybe Palmieri + Rakell + 24th overall? At best?

      I don’t really want them to bring back Michalek either but depending on his price tag it won’t be the end of the world. When he says that Michalek is the only UFA he’d like to sign, it probably means Milo is also the only one that is interested in sticking around.

      Murray probably feels he has better luck retaining Michalek than he does going after a similar or better free agent.

      • Rafi Bomb

        Why wouldn’t that happen? That deal seems fair value wise and I wouldn’t be surprised if Anaheim would be willing to part with those players for a guy like Spezza.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Because Etem+DSP+10th overall exceeds the value of what he has set his price at which is similar to Silfverberg+Noeson+1st.

          Murray said yesterday that he knows he won’t get that value he is looking for in return and Dreger said that rival GM’s told him at the GM meetings this week that they don’t think Murray can get what he is asking for.

          Etem+DSP+10th overall is two top prospects and the 10th overall. I would also be willing to bet that DSP is likely untouchable in Anaheim and they have the pieces to get a deal done for Spezza or Kesler without making him available.

          • Rafi Bomb

            The only thing that exceeds the value is the 10th overall pick, but this is a weak draft.

            Silfverberg was an early 2nd round pick who was highly touted and had some NHL experience before getting traded. DSP was also an early 2nd round pick and he also has a bit of NHL experience. They both have similar point totals but they play different styles so that has a marginal impact on their respective values.

            Noesen was a highly touted late first round pick who was just beginning his pro career but was coming off a strong season in the OHL. Etem was also a highly touted late first round pick who had a lot of success in the WHL but took a while to come into his own at the AHL and NHL levels.

            Overall it is fairly even value wise as it is the closest thing I’ve seen to what we paid to acquire Ryan. Another thing worth noting is that both Etem and Smith Pelly had strong playoff performances and that might increase their values a tad. Anaheim may want to take advantage of this as they may feel that their trade value is much higher then it would normally be and they can trade then for a player of Spezza’s calibre.

            If by chance you still see a disparity in value, drop the first round pick and have a Spezza for DSP and Etem trade.

          • FistsofNeil25

            That’s a pretty good analysis of each packages value, but you’ve ignored the second paragraph of my last post where Dreger said that the general feeling among other league executives is that Murray won’t get his asking price, which was also confirmed by Murray himself yesterday where he said that he knows he won’t get the value he wants in return for Spezza.

            I look at Devante Smith-Pelley and I see a player than Anaheim likely values very high. They really like his attitude, the way he plays the game, and they would realize like everyone else that he has all the tools to be one of the premier powerforwards in the NHL.

            Pierre McGuire has also mentioned that he doesn’t see any teams giving up their key players or top prospects for any of Spezza, Kesler, or Thornton when all three of them can likely be had for packages of second tier pieces.

            If we’re looking at St Louis, Anaheim and Nashville as the three frontrunners for Spezza, you can probably go through their rosters and figure out which players are a part of their core that aren’t available.

            Anaheim – Perry, Getzlaf, Smith-Pelley, Fowler, Lindholm, Gibson

            Nashville – Weber, Josi, Jones, Smith, Hornqvist, Forsberg

            St Louis – Pietrangelo, Bouwmeester, Shattenkirk, Backes, Oshie, Tarasenko, Schwartz, Allen

            All those pieces are most likely off limits, and each organization still has the assets to get a deal done for Spezza that will be close to Murray’s asking price.

          • sprucesens

            while you’re points make sense, you just aren’t going to acquire spezza for nobodies. We will get 1 of those players listed, outside of guys like perry and getzlaf and that type, and probably a pick, and maybe a b level prospect. The pick might only be 2nd round, but we simply aren’t trading him for nothing. Silfverberg had a bad year, but everyone here was sad to see him going, thinking he had great potential. He was our top prospect outside of maybe zib. We also added noesen and a 1st. Which is 2 B+ prospects. If NONE of the teams are offering anything close, like a 1st and a B level prospect, it simply won’t get done. We’ll wait to the deadline, when teams openly spend more than that on worse players. It WILL take a top prospect, or very good established player to get spezza, or spezza will not be on your team.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I find it hard to believe.

          • Rafi Bomb

            I am not sure if Anaheim would have DSP as one of their untouchables. It is possible, but given the fact that he isn’t a full time NHLer and that they have a ton of good young players and prospects, I could see him being available under the right circumstances.

            That is why a trade with Anaheim makes sense as they can afford to lose Etem and Dsp because they still have Palmieri, Perreault, Bonino, Fowler, Gibson, Sbisa, Lindholm, Noesen, Silfverberg, Rakell, Maroon, and Theordore.

            As far as Murray’s comments, I don’t know if we should take them at face value. I think it is more PR and negotiating strategy then what is actually going on. Why would he lay his cards on the table like that?

          • FistsofNeil25

            I see it as a PR move, by telling us he doesn’t expect to get full value for Spezza, he’s warning us not to get our hopes up. I just don’t see how making such a statement is a strong negotiation tactic.

            It’s like him starting off his negotiation with Bob Murray or Doug Armstrong by saying “now look, I know you aren’t going to give me full value, but give me this, this and this”.

          • Rafi Bomb

            The statement “I know I won’t get the value, in all likelihood that I should get for him.”

            Could mean explicitly what is stated or it could be a negotiating tactic.

            I see it more of sending a message to the teams that are currently interested that the offers aren’t quite what he is looking for. Therefore the teams that have tendered offers now know that Murray still feels that he isn’t getting the value he should get and that they need to come back with superior offers.

            It also sends a message to teams that haven’t tendered and offer that there is room to peak his interest. Therefore some of these other teams might see this as an opportunity to out bid the organizations who are currently making offers. This may also force the teams that have made offers to increase the value or risk having more teams getting involved and losing out on this potential deal.

            Finally, Murray could simply be baiting some teams. By stating that he doesn’t think he is going to get full value for him but that he is committed to trading him, some teams may feel that they get exploit this opportunity to acquire Spezza at a discount. If Murray truly is a savvy GM then he is doing this to bait those teams for a myriad of reasons.

            1. He might feel that if he can get a team interested that he can better them in the negotiations and wind up winning the trade.

            2. Related to strategy 1, he may be very confident in our scouting and development staff and feel that we can attain certain players and prospects that other organizations are overlooking or undervaluing (ex. Turris).

            3. Related to the above points, he could simply be trying to get more teams involved and making offers so he can leverage those offers off each other.

            As far as the message it sends to the fans, there are two possible scenarios.

            1. He is trying to temper the expectations of the fans because he knows the return won’t be that high.

            2. He wants to send the message that he isn’t going to get fair value so when he makes a trade that gets us a great return we think he is some kind of genius.

          • Hax

            All of the above.

          • KJ

            Dreger has also said that the deal is likely to be amicable for both sides.

  • JS

    /

    • SensChirp

      Jason?

      • Jakester

        MR MR Marbles??

  • esk

    “I don’t want to trade the guy, really, and I know I won’t get the value, in all likelihood that I should get for him,” Murray

    • Hax

      When you play poker do you tell people what you have or what you plan to do?

      • esk

        mindgames

  • Texmex55

    With all this money coming off the books, what players will they sign to get to the internal 56-57 mil cap?

    • SensChirp
      • Texmex55

        That would mean I could wear my jersey again!
        Players that seem interesting are grabovski,vrbata, Raymond, setoguchi with vanek and moulson being pipe dreams

        • Sandy

          Which one of them would realistically want to come to Ottawa?

    • Kohlmanator

      I’m sure they would retain 50% of the 7M cap hit and only pay 500k of his salary.

  • Phoenix

    I think Murray needs to trade Spezza for the best deal regardless if its in the east or west.

    • Hax

      True to a point. If you quantify the return on a scale of 1 to 100 then you have deduct 10 points from Montreal for being the habs and 15 from the leafs for being the leafs. Deduct 5 points for any other team in the division.

    • Rafi Bomb

      He might. Even though he says that he doesn’t want to trade to the East, part of that could simply be posturing. It basically sends the message that if an Eastern conference team wants him that they will have to pay a premium. A team like the Flyers could be an interesting trade partner. With players like Simmonds, Voracek, Schenn and Couturier and prospects like Samuel Morin and Scott Laughton they could likely offer a pretty damn good package.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        I was just going through all the Rosters and Philly stuck out at me. There is a lot of talk right now that Lecavalier may be traded, it would require his willingness to leave, but apparently his agent was involved and it’s very possible. That being said, it leaves a hole in the C position, which could be filled by a guy like Spezza, which would see a guy like Couturier dropped to the 3rd line. If they are paying VC 4.5, then filling the void with Spezza would be easy.

        As for return, I’d be going after Simmonds, a prospect like Samuel Morin and a 1st. It may be high to start, but it’s a starting point. Maybe the Sens would have to return a prospect, I’d include Prince in that deal. If they need a D, we have more than enough and could part with a guy like Gryba or Borowiecki.

        • FistsofNeil25

          When Ron Hextal took over in Philly a few weeks ago he said that he really likes his young players and has no intention to deal them away for older, high priced talent. He’s going in the to clean up Holmgren’s mess, not to make it worse.

          Philly can go with a 1-2-3 punch of Giroux, Schenn and Couturier without having to sacrifice Simmonds + for Spezza.

          • Rafi Bomb

            I was going to make note of that as well. That would be the primary concern with trading with the Flyers as Hextall wants to build through the draft.

            But there is a lot of speculation that Schenn could get traded, so they might be willing to move some young guys. Who is there second line centre now anyways?

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t know who their 2C was. Giroux was obviously their 1 and Couturier was their 3 in a shutdown role with Matt Read. Schenn and Lecavalier spent time as the 2C’s I Guess.

            I’m sure Hextall’s primary goal is to unload some of the terrible contracts Holmgren gave out to free up some cap space for Schenn. It’s a daunting task.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    One team that’s not getting much mention is Dallas. I no word of a lie would go Spezza for Nichuskin straight up

    • Rafi Bomb

      There has been some speculation that they might go hard after Spezza. Nichushkin would be an excellent pick up.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Hell I’d add to Spezza to get it done lol

        • Rafi Bomb

          I don’t know if Nichushkin has the higher value here. It is impressive that he was able to put up 34 points as a rookie, but it is still only 34 points. Then when you factor in the fact that he is Russian, that increases the risk that he could leave to the KHL at any point. I could see Spezza being worth Nichushkin and Oleksiak, but that might be less likely given his contract status. So my guess is we would have to add. Something like Spezza + conditional 2nd rounder 2015/2016 for Nichushkin and Oleksiak could work.

          • Doc

            The kid’s gonna be a star. He’s got all the tools to be really successful.

            Spezza is on the decline, and Nichuskin will only get better.

            We would definitely have to add to Spezza to get him. That being said, he’s basically untouchable.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Agreed.. I don’t even really know what else they’d want to maybe tempt them.

          • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

            Nichushkin can flat out FLY

          • Rafi Bomb

            I haven’t heard as many reports of Nichushkin, is he really expected to be a phenom?

            I think the value seems fair overall as normally to acquire a 1st line centre you would need to pay a top young roster player, a above average prospect and a pick. Nichushkin and Oleksiak would be like us offering Zibanejad and Ceci, which would likely be the price we would have to pay for a 1st line centre.

          • Doc

            He’s a big dude who can score. Jagr was raving about the kid being the next Malkin (might be a stretch but he will be successful).

            I wouldn’t mind adding quite a bit to Spezza to land him.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Spezza
            Anderson

            For

            Nichuskin

            Anderson is a great backup/ borderline starter for when lehtonin gets hurt

          • Shibal

            I think you guys are seriously overvaluing Nichuskin. He played on the Seguin line for most of the season – which is why he scored 34 points as a rookie. I’m pretty sure a rookie Zibanejad could have done the same. In fact – I think – Nichuskin’s tools are extremely similar to Zibanejad. I would not base my expectations on what Jagr said about Nichuskin: Gretzky said Turris’s hockey iq has the potential to be similar to Crosby and Brad Richards. Spezza for sure should be worth Nichuskin+

          • CaMo

            If Nichuskin is that good then why in god’s name would the Stars trade him?

      • Phoenix

        Faksa, Chiasson and Oleksiak are the guys I’d be interested in from Dallas

        • Sandy

          Chiasson was a -21 on the season in plus/minus with 35 points in 79 games.
          In 6 playoff games he was a -7 with 2 pts.
          Do we really need that?

          • Phoenix

            Nichuskin had similar stats except the plus/minus. I would rather go with the Canadian over the Russian any day. Would also make for some fun times for the Montreal – Ottawa games since Chiasson was from there.

        • Rafi Bomb

          What’s your take on Brett Ritchie? Why didn’t you include him as one of the targets? And what about players like Antoine Roussell and Brenden Dilon?

          • Phoenix

            Just like those guys. Really liked what McKenzie had to say about Faksa at the 2012 draft. Seems to be the kind of player that Murray would covet.

    • SensChirp

      Seems to be a team that has come up a lot in the last couple days. Pierre McGuire talked about them as an option this morning. Seems like it could be a fit.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Any idea on potential return?

    • Jakester

      Yeah but Dallas wouldn’t

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        99% of the speculated trades I’ve seen would have Murray laughed at and hung up on

        • Jakester

          Fo sure!

  • Sandy

    What I want to happen is Spezza & Cowen to Florida for Gudbranson and the 1st overall. Their owner wants to make the playoffs and with Luongo in net and Spezza as the 1st line centre and the good young players, they could make a run to the playoffs.
    What will happen is Spezza to Anaheim for DSP and the 10th overall this season and a conditional pick in 2015 that becomes a 2nd rounder in 2015 if Spezza re-signs. Anaheim needs a 2nd line centre with Selanne and probably Koivu gone.
    The lineup next season could be:
    Ryan (5.1M) – Turris (3.5M) – McArthur (3.25M)
    Michalek (3.5M) – Zibby (894K) – Stone (603K)
    DSP (720K) – Da Costa (950K) – Lazar (894K)
    Neil (1.9M) – Smith (1.87M) – Greening (2.65M)/Condra (1.25M)
    Karlsson (6.5M) – Methot (3M)
    Wiercioch (2M) – Cowen (3.1M)
    Ceci (894K) – Phillips (2.5M)
    Gryba (800K)
    Anderson (3.187M)
    Lehner (2M)
    The issue with this line is it comes in around 51M. So contracts to Michalek, DaCosta, Gryba & Lehner will have to be higher than what I had on my list.
    That is probably a realistic lineup that gets the Sens into the 2015 draft lottery.

    • Jakester

      Add something else to Spezza and Cowen and it might pique their interest a little???

      • Sandy

        Hoffman? He doesn’t fit into the lineup I created…

        • runningbear1974

          That’s my favourite trade as well… Spezza & Cowen to Florida for Gudbranson and the 1st overall… If they want more, how about Phillips, or Prince?

        • Jakester

          Sure would be Ok with that. Is that enough?? Who knows. Tallon said he got 1 good offer. Anxious to see who. Like I said before I would add our 2015 first if we score the overall first this year in a package. Cuz if our first next year is 16th overall who really cares.

    • CaMo

      Forget re-signing Michalek. He’s an under performing, over valued over paid peice of garbage, let his sorry ass go. Unless he’ll take 2.5 mil.

  • sprucesens

    imagine it this way, if we were actively trading FOR spezza, think what we would have to give up. It would be zib, lazar and a later pick. Or Turris, or Lehner, PW and a 1st. Lots of things based on the fake team’s needs. Point is, you have to give up Quality and Potential, if you want a proven PPG 1C in this league. Murray will get this, or he’ll wait till the deadline, and get 2 good pieces like a pick and A prospect as a rental.

    • Jakester

      Never would we trade Zibby,Lazar,and a first. I’d be pissed as a fan.

      • sprucesens

        I’m not saying we would, as I’d be in a fury too. But the point is, that’s kind of the asking price. We gave up silf=zib at that point in most fans eyes. Noesen<Lazar but by how much, who knows. Maybe enough to drop the 1st to a 3rd. But those are prices for top players. Yes, we aren't in the zone to be buying veterans right now, with our rebuild, but that's close to the price it would cost from our current team. We have a huge tendancy to overvalue other team's players, and undervalue our own.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          What?

        • Jakester

          I know what you’re saying but you plucked the best two elements out of our lot of players. The other teams will do the same(not give away there very best). So you won’t get Schwartz but you might get Berglund. Spezza will be traded anyhow because Murray has to at this point!

          Ottawa might give a Stone, Puempel, first rounder as an example instead.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Those would be insane massive overpayment

      • FistsofNeil25

        Exactly what other fans say when we say we want Josi+Forsberg+1st for Spezza.

      • sprucesens

        it just seems that way, because we are all fed by the hype machine that we read every day about all our prospects. And we love it. but it takes quality to get quality. If we read about other prospects, we would see that lots of ST. Louis fans look at Berglund, rattie and a 1st and say “make that trade before they realize what they’ve done” That should maybe put up some red flags for us

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Personally I hate that trade, especially if it is a 2014 1st.

    • Hax

      I agree with you except that Murray announced that he’s trading Spezza. Which pretty much means he can’t bring him to camp, much less the deadline.

      So that tells me that either Murray knows he’ll get fair value and he’s just posturing to drive the price up … or he F’d up.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Everything we’ve heard in the last two days should really make us temper our expectations. If a trade goes down before draft day, these are probably close to the most realistic returns.

      St Louis – Berglund+Jaskin/Rattie+21st overall

      Anaheim – Palmieri+Rakell+24th overall

      Nashville – Wilson+Watson+11th overall

      Those all are pretty damn close to Murray’s asking price without any team giving up a core piece or their top prospect(s).

      • sprucesens

        yes all of those could be acceptable returns, and are close to exactly what he asked for to begin with. If there was a player of more value coming our way, maybe the pick drops a round or 2, or a lesser prospect.

      • esk

        berglund is like a 3rd line center…

        • FistsofNeil25

          So are Palmieri and Wilson.

    • Tooks

      Hahah nope, maybe when Spezza was 25-28, not no more. And what are you arguing about MURRAY and other GM’s said not gonna get good value for Spezza.

      • sprucesens

        He’s what, 31? Of course other gm’s are gonna say he isn’t going to get a good return. Why would they say he will get a great return when 5 of them are actively pursuing trading for him? We aren’t getting a star player in return, but we will get a similar package that we gave up for ryan. A young very promising player that has some NHL experience, and mid to high level prospect, likely from the 2nd round of whatever team, and a pick. The pick varies based on the other players. We might even have to add in a D, if we are getting a D back so the other team has a replacement. In just about all the trades listed by most people, within reason, we come out the loser. As is to be expected when spezza is likely to be the best player in the trade. So no, we aren’t getting weber or jones from Nashville, but josi or ellis could be the primary piece. We won’t get backes, pietrangelo, tarasenko or shwartz, but we very well could get oshie in a 1 for 1. Point is yes, we aren’t getting a star player+ in return. And that will let most people down, sadly. But we will get somebody very good in return. PPG 1C’s aren’t just gifted away.
        I mean what do you think thornton is going to get, or marleau, if they choose to trade either one. Its not going to be marginal 3rd liners and B level prospects. I trust murray will get a surprisingly good player, with prospects his scouting staff really like. If you are a team in the west, and you see st. Louis offering rattie and Berglund, and then see them getting spezza, you get worried, and potentially offer something slightly more. Anyways, rant over. lol

  • blackreds

    Spezza to Blues for: Sobotka, Dmitrij Jaskin and 2014 first round pick. The trade happens on draft day.

  • FBP

    The latest Garrioch article does a good job of convincing me that GMBM announced the trade demand because he doesn’t think he is going to get a good return and wants the fans on the org’s side. Even dropped the Heatley comparison bomb:

    “All Spezza’s trade demand has done is expedite the process for Murray and left him dealing from a difficult position, much the same way he was when Dany Heatley wanted out.”

    “Clearly, it didn’t work and it’s not going to end well.”

    “Spezza’s decision to ask out has left a sour taste with many in the organization.”

    “Murray is now trying to make the best of a bad situation”

    • Hax

      People still read what that idiot writes? I mean, not just for the novelty but actually trying to glean information?

      Garrioch blows so much smoke out his ass it’s not funny. And him trying to tie it to the Heatley thing is a blatant attempt at sensationalism.

      • A-Train

        The Heatley comparison doesn’t seem that off-base. It’s a loaded reference for sure, but the basic situation is comparable: Star player asks for trade.

        Anyway, Mendes’ piece for TSN on Spezza makes much better reading.

        • Hax

          Well I think any responsible journalist would mention Heatley to contrast the two situations (Spezza asking quietly, not “demanding”, not giving any indication that he’s not willing to report to the team, not being about to get a $4M check from the team, not having a full NTC and basically forcing a trade to one team and one team only …)

          but then again we’re talking about Garrioch and he only mentioned Heatley to stir shit up.

          • A-Train

            It’s less toxic for sure, but he’s basically writing about Murray’s dealing position. And he’s again dealing from a position of relative weakness, given he NEEDS to do something.

            The weird thing about Garrioch’s writing is it falls somewhere between reporting and commentary.

            He’s giving the details of the situation…but also interpreting and analyzing it. Don’t think he has the craft to pull that off. Traditionally you split those two things up.

          • Hax

            Yeah there’s no “craft” there. Chirp is 10x the writer than Garrioch is. And that’s probably insulting to Chirp.

            As for “needs to do something”, I would argue that unless Spezza has said to Murray he won’t report (which seems unlikely) then Murray only “needed” to trade Spezza before camp immediately after he announced he was going to.

            In other words, if Murray had wanted to keep the option open to keep Spezza into next season he could have spun things very differently yesterday.

        • Sandy

          Spezza can go to 19 teams. Heatley only wanted 1 team.

      • Deadly

        Sports writer envy. Who wouldn’t want to make their living writing about sports.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Pure damage control. Trying to make Spezza look like the villain, just like they did with Alfie. They’re completely lying about the fact that they don’t want to part with Spezza either. They want to move in a different direction just as much as Spezza does.

      Murray and Melnyk want the fans on their side.

      • Hax

        For the love of God please don’t confuse Garrioch’s BS with what Murray actually said.

        If you read Murray’s comments they in no way make Spezza look like the villain. He of course downplays his willingness to part with Spezza but he has to.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I didn’t even read what Garrioch wrote. I formed my own opinion when I saw the comments made from Murray yesterday.

          • Hax

            Okay – since you replied to FBP’s post I assumed you were going by Garrioch.

            What about what Murray said makes you think he’s trying to make Spezza the villain though? Admitting that Spezza asked to move on?

            I posted earlier that I hope Murray will come out explicitly in defense of Spezza soon – but I don’t think he really attacked him yesterday either.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Maybe villain is a strong word to use, but I feel like Murray is trying to deflect the blame from the organization here, as he has done in the past.

            I think when Murray says that Spezza asked to be traded, but that he wants to keep him, he’s trying to make it seem like Spezza’s the one that has forced the team’s hand. From everything we’ve heard until yesterday, it was kind of clear to me at least that both Spezza and the organization felt it was time to go in a different direction. Given Spezza’s age, contract status, and the team’s internal budget, a mutual split makes a lot of sense.

            Then Murray states that he knows he won’t get full value for Spezza. Again, this to me seems like damage control. Tell the fans this now so when the trade finally happens, we won’t all be disappointed because we expected Josi+Forsberg+11th when instead we got Wilson+Watson+11th overall (just an example obviously)

            So to me anyway, when Murray says a) Spezza wants out but they want to keep him and b) he knows he won’t get full value for Spezza, I get the feeling that he’s trying to deflect any blame for the split from the organization onto Spezza, and that we shouldn’t be expecting a significant return.

          • Hax

            Fair enough. I agree almost completely. I think it’s definitely a bit of spin but I don’t think he’s planning to pretend he’d never want to trade him. I suspect that once the dust settles (post-trade) he’ll be more clear that it was somewhat mutual.

            Really, in a way, he’s protecting Spezza by saying he doesn’t want to trade him.

            But yes, setting everyone’s expectations a bit low so that he can (hopefully) deliver two really good pieces of news in early July:

            1. Ryan extension
            2. Better return for Spezza that we though.

          • FistsofNeil25

            If he was really protecting Spezza, why would he confirm that Spezza wants out, and then tell us he wants out because he can’t handle being blamed by the fans and media for the teams’ failures. They way I see it, that’s only leaving Spezza vulnerable to more criticism.

            I just think if he was concerned about protecting Spezza and was confident he would receive a good return for him, he would simply have confirmed that Spezza is available, we’re shopping him, and that he can be had for a certain price.

            All the other stuff was unnecessary to me anyway. Murray has a tendency to almost say too much, whether he’s telling to truth or being strategic.

            I just don’t see the strategy a lot of other people see in Murray’s comments yesterday. I don’t see how his comments could stir up more interest in Spezza, or how the comments were meant to improve offers from certain teams.

            Murray has every GM’s email and phone number. All 29 GM’s have known for quite some time that Spezza is available. We’ve been talking about it for nearly two months already. The GM’s that are serious about adding Spezza have likely all submitted offers. If they aren’t good enough, Murray can just tell them that face to face or over the phone. That’s how negotiations work. He doesn’t have to reach out the the media to drum up interest in Spezza or to improve offers.

          • Hax

            I agree with everything you’re saying.

            The only thing I will add is that by saying/claiming that he doesn’t want to trade Spezza he’s basically saying any team should want him (a compliment). Now he probably is only saying it to help his value, but it would reflect poorly on Spezza if he said “yeah we don’t want him any more”.

            Of course, as you alluded to, he could come at it differently and say something like “we’re going to try and make a long-term move” that is sort of neutral on Spezza.

            But yeah, of all of it I agree most with the idea that Murray often says too much. Hope he knows what he’s doing.

          • spezzerman

            why does anyone have to blamed at all? How many players actually play in one city their entire careers?

            And, who cares what fans think? half think he is garbage and cant wait for him to leave. The other half loves him and want him to say. How do you make fans happy, anyway?

        • sprucesens

          yes exactly. what’s he gonna do, say he’s glad to be trading the guy, and is happy to have him off the team? EVEN IF he is, he would never say that, its bad rep, and lowers the trade value.

  • CaMo

    Bobby Ryan just tweeted me. He says he can do 1 pull-up but no more. LOL

  • Sensturion

    I voted. DID YOU? Close the computers, step away from SensChirp for 20 minutes and go accomplish your civic duty.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Nope not yet…I still genuinely don’t know who to vote for, or if I should just refuse my vote(which I realize is useless)

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1685481

    My god the once a month or so I go to look at that site leaves me dumber….That whole thing hurts my brain!

  • PraiseAlfie11

    Does anyone else find it a bit concerning that a team like Anaheim is looking to add Spezza as a 2C?

    If they are a meauring stick, where does that leave us if spezza leaves? Love Turris where he is. His numbers (that whole line actually) will drop quite a bit. That leaves the 3rd line as the new 2nd line? Ouch…

    • Sandy

      Let’s be realistic. In Anaheim Spezza is not going to get the #1 centre over Getzlaf.
      In Pitts you have Crosby and Malkin. A really good one-two punch.
      Some of the Anaheim fans think it’s going to be Bonino & a draft pick. That’s all the Sens are going to get for him from Anaheim.
      That’s bad…

  • Phoenix

    It there is a conditional pick for 2015 I hope its a first. Similar to the Miller trade in that if Spezza resigns they would get the teams 1st.

  • FistsofNeil25

    I don’t know if the reports are true or not, but I really hope that Murray isn’t opposed to trading Spezza within the eastern conference, or even with our own division.

    Spezza has one year remaining on his contract. If he wants to play for an eastern conference team, we may be faced with playing against him 4 times a year anyway if he chooses to sign with one next summer anyway. Why limit your market by automatically striking off all 15 eastern conference teams from potential destinations.

    If Murray chooses to only deal Spezza to the western conference and assuming that Edmonton, Calgary, Winnipeg and possibly Phoenix are on his no-trade list, and another 5 or 6 of those teams don’t have any interest or need for Spezza, that leaves the market for Spezza down to 5 or 6 teams.

    If there’s a chance Spezza could sign with an eastern conference team next summer, I would rather us trade him to one this summer and pick a few good pieces off of that teams’ roster.

    We’re not at all close to being a contending team, so if an eastern conference team, even if it’s Toronto makes the best offer for Spezza, then we have to take it. We have to worry about what will make our team better and that’s it.

    • Sandy

      The only Eastern team I would consider would be Florida. They have a lot of prospects and that 1st overall pick.
      With that the Sens take the D.
      And with a weaker lineup next season and a possible top 5 pick, you can pick up a really good player in a deep draft.

      Those 2 drafts could put the Sens in a really good position f

  • aegiszx

    Does it make me less of a fan for really hoping Spezza lifts the Cup before the Sens do? For ALL that we’ve put him through since Day 1… all the good years and the bad… how bitter sweet would it be to see Ottawa’s No.1 Whipping Boy lift Lord Stanley?

    I have been following the Sens since the Yashin days, and I have to admit, when Hossa, and then Emery lifted the Cup, it brought tears to my eyes since they were/still are my favourite ex-sens along with Alfie, Bonk, and Spezza… I hope Spezza and Alfie lift it once… Heatley can go to hell though that POS doesnt even deserve his Vancouver Gold Medal…

    Well, the changing of the guard is officially complete… now if only they shipped out Neil and Phillips too…

    • Jakester

      Doubt Spezza or Alfie get to lift it!

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Agree with Alfie but kinda a ridiculous comment about Spezza seeing as we have no clue where he ends up next year, or the following one as a Ufa

      • Doc

        My detective skills tell me that you somehow dislike Spezza.

        • Jakester

          Sheesh, sorry.

      • WaitingSince92

        There’s a good argument to be made against that though. You can forget about Spezza going to one of the worst 10 teams (likely nearly identical to his list).

        From
        there, you have to think Murray would get a better trade haul if
        Spezza/his new team could discuss a long term deal… meaning he’s more
        likely to get dealt to a team he WANTS to be on – which is likely a contender.

        He could be a great fit on a contender where he’s a complimentary piece (kinda like Hossa in CHI) instead of the go-to guy.

  • Jakester

    Hockey buzz, Blackhawks blogger

    In Ottawa, the Hawks have liked C/W Zack Smith in the past, and they like him now. Also add W/C Colin Greening to that list (somewhere in Canada, Greening’s fellow Newfoundlander, Dr. Mike Hart, is pleased at this news). Greening is especially interesting as he has the size/speed combination the Hawks have been lacking, and the ability to play a complementary role with more skilled forwards—something Troy Brouwer did well in Chicago.

    • Mitchell

      interesting! wonder if this could happen and what the return would be

    • Doc

      Yeah, it’s funny to hear fans from other teams say nice things about our players that we love to shit on.

      Go read the comments, quite interesting.

      • Jakester

        Honestly if Sens want to build a reasonable top 6 within budget Neil,Greening, and Smith should be replaced with graduating Bingo players on entry level deals. Can’t have these Guys making 2 million, money can be saved here. We won’t be worse off.

        • Sandy

          You have to hit the cap floor. You are not going to do that by bringing up Binghamton players. With Spezza gone, it’s going to be hard enough to make the cap floor with what they will have.

          • Jakester

            They will, will get a D-man making 5 million and a guy like Gagner to center line 2 at 5 million, plus Berglund at 4 million.

          • CaMo

            How many centermen for you think we can carry? lol

          • Andrews theory

            As a budget team, put the money in the right places.

            Get a decent top 6 player money out, money in…

    • ghost of Moose Vasko

      Chicago (and Edmonton FWIW) has liked ZS for a long time
      Very reasonable bottom 6 contract and sandpaper in the Playoffs

      Interest in GC will vanish once his new contract kicks in.

    • Sandy

      Two guys that get trashed so much by a lot of Sens fans are desired by an elite team..

    • FistsofNeil25

      They can have Greening for a bag of pucks but if they want Smith they can offer up something of greater value otherwise there’s no incentive for us to move him. Smith is an effective player for our hockey team and will be a better player with better linemates than Greening and Neil.

      • Sandy

        He did look pretty good playing the wing with Zibby a couple of times last season. He is also over 50% last season on faceoffs…

        • FistsofNeil25

          Smith would be better suited as a winger than a center. He can still take faceoffs because he’s strong on the draws, but after the puck is dropped he would be better to have the responsibilities of a winger than a center,

  • Nicholas Rawlins

    Off topic but if any of you guys watch mma a newcomer in th ufc name Niklas backstrom debuted this month and he looks like a small robin Lehner beating people to a pulp.

  • di__mondz

    To OTT: Shattenkirk, Oshie
    To STL; Spezza, Greening

    • Andrews theory

      If we get that kind of value back we should build a statue of Murray and mail it to St Louis.

  • Sandy

    I for one, will be really pissed off if they trade Zack Smith. Murray likes him, so does McLean.. He relies on Smith a lot.

    • Andrews theory

      That’s what you’d be pissed off about?

      Zack Smith?

      I really can’t see them moving him but he’s an afterthought compared to the larger issues.

      I’d be curious to see how he does with some decent wingers but his cap is a borderline 3rd line center, solid 4th.

      • Jakester

        He’s a good 4th center but I think Derek Grant would be better in that role.

        • Sandy

          He hasn’t even played in that role other than a couple of games..
          But with both Murray & McLean liking this guy, I don’t think he moves, unless it’s Smith for Hossa. LOL

          • Jakester

            They talk up Smith but I think it’s to stir up interest, he takes so many stupid penalties. Grant is great in the face off circle, great PKer, has scored a dozen shorties in the last two years in Bingo. They love him and he’ll finally be an NH er this year. This kid should be in the nHL I just don’t get it why he isn’t.

          • Sandy

            It certainly will be an interesting summer that’s for sure..

        • Andrews theory

          I like Grant and I think he can bring more offensively

          Great on the PK

  • Sandy

    When you think about it, the way Heatley left hurt the reputation of this franchise and they really did not get back what he was worth at the time. Alfie leaving hurt the franchise the most because there was no return at all. Spezza leaving will result in the Sens not getting his full value either. So when you lump it all together, these 3 past stars of the Sens didn’t give a damn about the damage they did to this franchise.. Kinda pisses me off, really.

    • JAY79

      Blame Melnyk. I’ve never seen an owner do so much damage to an organization just by opening up his mouth so much. He should just keep everything private and stop airing his dirty laundry in the media. If he wants Ottawa to be a budget team, then fine but keep it to yourself. Now, who in their right mind would want to come to Ottawa knowing we will never spend with the big boys and we won’t even spend to keep our franchise players (ie, Alphie) even when they’ve given so much to the team. I would be very surprised if Ryan resigns with Ottawa. Why would he? I wouldn’t if I was him.

      • Nicholas Rawlins

        Yeah I’m not as much a melnyk hater as everyone else, but the constant predictions he makes almost single handily change our destiny that season out of cockyness. Like the “were gonna kill’em” before the leafs series and the “gear up we’re going far!” In 2010 when we got stomped in rd 1. More recently the “can’t wait to finish ahead of Detroit in the standings this year”.

  • Jakester

    It’s going to be Berglund, Jaskin, and their first rounder. Maybe Murray squeezes a third in 2015 as a bonus! Will be the first of 3-4 trades. To maximize the budget, Smith,Greening,Neil, and yes Anderson will be traded too.

    • Jakester

      I see the Sens making a trade for Gagner in Edmonton, and a deal with Chicago for a Dman. Could see Cowen and Neil for Gagner and a late pick. Could see Smith and Greening for Hjalmarsson and a late pick.

      Mac-TUrris-Stone
      Berglund-Gagner-Ryan
      Hoffman-Zibby-Jaskin
      Pageau-Grant-Lazar
      Condra

      Methot-Karlsson
      Hjallmarsson-Ceci
      Phillips-Gryba
      Boro

      First two pairs would play tons of minutes.
      Something like that happening.

      • FistsofNeil25

        You’re a dreamer my man! We aren’t going to see that much of a turnover to the roster.

        Spezza. Michalek, Hemsky, Greening, Smith, Neil, Cowen, Anderson out

        Berglund, Jaskin, Gagner, and Hjalmarsson in

        Things aren’t going to play out like that, not that I would be opposed to any of it.

        • Jakester

          I think there will be lots of moves, Dorion said, we’re going to be very busy till July 1st. This team has too many bodies!

          • FistsofNeil25

            But when Dorion said that he was referring July 1st as the day they can extend Ryan, Mac and Methot.

            Also, all the moves you have proposed are trades. We don’t need to wait until July 1st to make any of those moves lol

          • Jakester

            They’ll be busy prior and including July 1st. Big overhaul coming.

        • SensFanInMTL

          We may or may not see a turnover to the roster. But expect the unexpected!

          I just have a gut feeling a shit ton of shit is going to happen. I cannot explain why. It’s just a last minute hunch. With that said, if Chicago wants Greening, please inform us where to sign!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Sandy

          I agree not all of them will be traded. Michalek does bring more experience into the lineup and will be needed.
          But they may have to make room for Lazar.
          I’m not sure if it was mentioned here or not, I’ve read so much today, but apparently someone mentioned they are close on a contract with Da Costa.
          If they get Berglund and he is a centre, where will DaCosta play — or is it a sign and trade?

          • SensFanInMTL

            So I guess it’s safe to assume he is announced on opening night?

            “From Vernon, B.C., number 27, numéro 27, Curtis…. Lazar!!”

          • Sandy

            I’m really looking forward to see how he fits into the lineup. It should be, to start, on the 3rd line.. sheltered minutes to begin.
            I think he and Zibby along with Hoffman should make up a pretty good line..

          • Jakester

            I like that kid, real gamer!

          • SensFanInMTL

            Yes! Which means my trip to look for work out west will be halted so I could witness greatness for the upcoming season!

          • Jakester

            Je te le confirm mon chum!

          • FistsofNeil25

            Berglund plays center and the wing. Lots of teams carry 6, 7 or even 8 centers on the active roster. It’s a good problem to have.

      • SensFanInMTL

        LMAO, you have just written off the entire Greening, Smith & Neil line. And just exactly how you think that will be done lol?

      • Andrews theory

        That’s an awfully soft line up, no way Murray ices a line with zero sand paper

    • cups

      totally down if jaskin is in. smith ain’t moving; too perfect a player/contract for is right now. the others: whatever. bonus if that a 2015 1st

      • Jakester

        I agree I think Jaskin is going to be A big power forward, exactly what you Want.

        • cups

          *what Brian wants

      • Sandy

        St Louis doesn’t have their 2015 1st round pick. It was given up for Miller.

        • Jakester

          Never said 2015 first, 2014.

          • Sandy

            Cups did.. that’s why I bought it up.

          • Jakester

            Oops sorry Sandy, I agree 2015 first no way plus like you said it’s gone.

          • cups

            this is all true.. then I agree with the original bonus of a 2015 3rd

    • Sandy

      So I guess you really want this team to be without Ryan as well..
      But I guess the bonus is Connor McDavid.

      • Jakester

        You sign Ryan what are u talking about! Ryan will be happy Spezza is gone. He’ll play with TUrris or Gagner.

        • Sandy

          Just who is going to Edmonton for Gagner? They are not traded Anderson. Not yet..

          • Jakester

            Can you read, I said Cowen and Neil. Anderson will be traded. No way this team has 6 million in two contracts. Lehner 2,5-3mill and a 1 Million backup.

          • Sandy

            I didn’t take that all 3 would be traded and to Edmonton.
            Berglund’s contract at 3.25M will certainly help get to the floor.

          • Jakester

            Berglund is RFA so we have to renegotiate. Prob gets 4 million.

          • Sandy

            All the better. They certainly have room to spend.
            But the closer to the floor the better for Eugene.. more money to take out of the team.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I think Gagner could be had without giving up Cowen. I’ve been as hard on Cowen as you have been and he has an awful awful year. I just think it’s too early to give up on him. I want to see how he does this year before we consider trading him.

          • Jakester

            Funny feeling this team soured on him big time with holdout and was scratched late in year! Plus that Jerry Seinfeld face, can we take him seriously?

          • Sandy

            He was really liked when he first came into the NHL and was playing with Gonchar. He was a beast, most were saying.
            But without a vet to back him up and coming off major hip surgery, Murray & McLean should have realized he would struggle..

          • CaMo

            Trading Cowen at this point would be a huge mistake in my opinion. He’s still so young and massive and his value is lower right now than it should be. I predict a bounceback season for #2 and I dont see him being traded. Unless the return is huge.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I hope it’s Jaskin and not Rattie!

      • Sandy

        A young Russian? You think Murray will go that route?

        • FistsofNeil25

          He’s a Czech who was born in Russia. If he’s the better prospect than Rattie, then that’s the way we better go.

          • Jakester

            The things we hear, the kid came to play junior in Canada geez.

          • Sandy

            Didn’t check, so didn’t know..

          • FistsofNeil25

            He was born in Russia and has played in the Czech U18,Czech Extraleague, has represented Czech Republic at the world juniors and played for the Moncton Wildcats of the QMJHL

          • Sandy

            Thanks.. next time I will take the time to check the Czech..

          • FistsofNeil25

            No worries. I thought he was a Russian as well before I read up more on him. I don’t know much about him myself. I can’t recall ever seeing him play. I do like the prospect reports I’ve read on him compared to Rattie though.

          • Jakester

            Lol

          • Sandy

            Is Jaskin NHL ready? He’s only played about 20 games in the NHL I think.

          • Jakester

            He’s ready. Imagine on line with Zibby, oufffff will be punishing on the forecheck.

          • Sandy

            He’s listed as a centre. So would he be the 2nd line centre or the 3rd line centre with Zibby at 2nd? Or can he play wing..

          • FistsofNeil25

            He can play all forward positions. Hockey’s future has him listed as a RW.Hockey DB has him listed as a LW. theahl.com has him listed as a LW. He’s a left hand shot.

          • Jakester

            I think he’s a right shot who plays LW.

          • FistsofNeil25

            theahl.com has him listed as a left shot.

          • Jakester

            Or other way around I think, you’re right

          • Doc

            You know you can edit your own comments, right?

          • Jakester

            I do sometimes, but can admit when wrong.

          • Doc

            No, meant instead of replying to yourself.

          • Sandy

            Versatile player. Certainly can’t hurt.

    • Sandy

      Maybe another conditional pick in 2015 if Spezza signs.. Rumours are St Louis is where he wants to be.

  • Doc

    Berglund? Really?

    Good god…

    • Jakester

      He’s a good player, Jaskin is the prize, plus the first. I have a feeling unless Anaheim steps up big time.

      • Doc

        Yeah, I don’t do speculations.

      • Sandy

        Turris struggled in the defensive game in Phoenix and has excelled in Ottawa.
        Maybe Berglund can excel in the offensive style game in Ottawa compared to Hitchcock’s D system in St Louis.

        • Jakester

          He’s better offensively than he’s shown in St Louis. Will be like Clarke MaCArthur a real nice surprise.

      • Tooks

        Anyone of the 3 I mentioned from ANA are better than Berglund.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Well you said yourself we can’t expect much didn’t you?

      • Doc

        I did, but I didn’t think Berglund would be the center piece.

        • FistsofNeil25

          haha yeah after yesterdays comments I really only expected a fringe 2nd/3rd liner as the roster player coming back.

        • cups

          centrepiece from stl. has to be the prospect.. jaskin is ok, tarasenko it mdma

    • bluebuyyoo

      0 points and -7 in the STL playoff sweep loss. Should fit right in.

      • Doc

        It’s ironic that people crap on Michalek, yet somehow get excited at the prospect of getting Berglund.

        I would re-sign Michalek before re-signing Burglund. Not even a question for me.

        • Andrews theory

          Ya I’m with you.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I think Jakester is the only one excited about Berglund

        • Sandy

          I would prefer Jaden Schwartz but that’s not happening..

        • cups

          I love michalek,I understand why everyone shits on him but realistically he is lucic sized and he can skate when healthy. really think that regenokine treatment worked and it just took him a while to get going. if he signs cheap he will be extremely useful as 2/3LW, killing penalties, etc

          • CaMo

            LOL lucic has 30 pounds on milan and milan plays like a 5’3 lemon. and he aint signing cheap. worst comment ever cups.

          • cups

            ya, try maybe 3 pounds. lucic is a bum

          • cups

            k bud, try maybe 3 lbs. but since we’re into hyperbole, lucic is a bum

      • Sandy

        Some were saying he was playing with an injury, but I can’t confirm that.

    • Tooks

      Yeah Cogliano looks pretty good now huh :)

  • Andrews theory

    Ya if berglund is the nhl player coming back, the other components need to be better than jaskin and a first

    PASS

    • Doc

      Irks me that they don’t have their 2015 first rounder anymore. That could at least make things a little better.

      Hopefully the ‘prospect’ in their package is someone good.

  • Jakester

    Sens get a first rounder from St. Louis and maybe they move Anderson with that pick to move up to top 10. Who knows.

    • Sandy

      Who backs up Lehner?

      • Jakester

        To save dough a vet for a 1-1,5 a year.

      • SensFanInMTL

        By all accounts it’s gotta be Hammond. Lawson is AHL for life, Hogberg should be on his way from Sweden and Driedger should be starting in the AHL next season.

        • Sandy

          So you want to go into a season with Lehner & Hammond?
          That’s really really risky.

          Puts this team back to the goalie graveyard when for a few years, it was a strength.

          • Andrews theory

            Haha not if you want a lottery pick next year

          • SensFanInMTL

            Well, no. Jakester threw Anderson under the bus and you asked who will back up Lehner. I was just looking at the real estate we had rather than a trade or free agency.

          • Jakester

            That wasn’t a bus, just looking to upgrade to a Limo. Some good big wingers in the top 10, if we can move up.

          • SensFanInMTL

            Well guess what? Limo’s gone brother. See that smoke trail? Well there’s Anderson lololol.

          • cups

            I’m pretty confident once Lehner is allowed to see enough games in a row we will start to see what we’ve all me dreaming about. if spez is out and we are retooling, best play is to run with the lehner and give him a chance to shine

      • Frank

        Sign Ray Emery lol

  • SensFanInMTL

    I’m gonna start a quick debate seeing as we’ve all logged onto our computers and signed in to SensChirp and reading the heavy amounts of posts and even quicker replies. Is there a reason/ reasons why some of you guys don’t have Puempel penciled into our line up come late September? Not that there’s any luxury or guarantees that there are benefits of being drafted in the 1st round but, I don’t recall too many 1st rounders who have been returned to junior after being drafted, play their last year of junior as a 20 year old, play an entire season in the AHL (without any call ups, which I think was a great year for development) and at 21 turning 22, still cannot crack a roster spot?

    • Sandy

      He’s had 1 season in the AHL. I thought I heard someone say that Richardson thinks he needs a little more time to round his defensive game.
      Other than that, he can come up when there is an injury.

    • Jakester

      Dorion in an interview sort of said he thinks he needs another year but if he works hard this summer might have a chance.

  • Sandy

    Bobby Ryan @b_ryan9 · 4h

    Any Ottawa fans out there? @ViolentGents finally has our shirts in stock! Go get em!

  • karlssens

    I don’t mind Berglund.. But it’s gotta be Rattie and a first as well. Rattie is a grade A prospect, and the 1st this year will hopefully be a future NHLer.

    • karlssens

      Whether we like it or not, this meets the criteria: a player who can help now, a prospect, and a first.

    • FistsofNeil25

      We have something similar to Rattie with Puempel. We don’t have a similar prospect to Jaskin. Jaskin over Rattie all day.

      • Tooks

        Berglund or Cogliano, hmmmm…

        • Jakester

          Like your gf tells u Tookie Size matters.

          • Tooks

            Big, slow, lacking work ethic. sure we need more guys like that, Berglund wont cut it here. Cogs is all hustle, he’s basically a Turris and CMac clone.

          • Jakester

            Another small player, perfect for the leafs.

          • Tooks

            Berglund is the forward equivalent of Cowen…

          • Jakester

            He can outskate Seinfeld! Lol

          • Tooks

            Barely…
            Speed kills man!

          • Sandy

            I thought I read his skating is good.
            Murray also wants big…
            Maybe Cogs isn’t available?
            Cogs has one 20 goal season in the NHL. Berglund has 3..

          • Tooks

            EDM vs STL.
            Put both side by side and watch this years season and playoffs and tell me who you prefer. The choice will be clear.

        • karlssens

          Berglund all day. He was buried in that lineup. He’s another Swede, whose big with soft hands. Needs a chance to succeed.

          • Doc

            He’s 26 and averaged more than 16 minutes at night last season.

            Not sure why you think he’s been buried.

          • Jakester

            He has more skill than you think Doc. With MacLean he would do well.

          • Doc

            I didn’t say he wasn’t good, I just don’t get the sudden love. I’m not sure what people think he is.

            Seems strange seeing all the Michalek hate.

        • FistsofNeil25

          They’ve had essentially the same production in the last 4 years.

          • Tooks

            Cogs rotted in EDM, Berglund been playing for powerhouse Blues. Cogs better days are ahead of him, Berglund seems to be behind him…

          • Sandy

            They are both 26 years old. One is 6 ft 4, the other is 5 ft 10.
            Murray wants big players…

          • Tooks

            I get that, but they also have to skate…

          • FistsofNeil25

            lol the Blues have been a powerhouse for what, two years now?

            Anyway to be honest I don’t want either player/ I don’t think either will help us make the playoffs or help us win a cup. They’re both rather “meh” pick-ups. Both guys are fringe 2nd/3rd liners who don’t have much upside.

          • peetypuck

            If that’s all that Murray can hope to get from St. Lou or Anaheim then I hope he trades Spezza to Florida for the #1 pick this year. I’d rather we take our chances on Ekblad or Bennett.

          • Tooks

            Strike 3…you’re out!
            Why would FLA do that? LOL

          • peetypuck

            You don’t keep up with league news? Tallon has been told by the owner that he needs to put more butts in seats and he wants a playoff team. Tallon has said he expects to make several trades for good players this summer. If Spezza is willing to go to Florida his name alone would be a big draw.

          • Tooks

            Hmmm Spezza or Ekblad, hard to tell which one will put more butts in seats but I’ll go with a Franchise D-man and not a 30 year old injury prone PPG player.

          • peetypuck

            When did you change your name to Dave Tallon?

          • Doc

            I like his new avatar of Greening.

            Makes it look like Tookie is always waving Hi to me. Makes me feel special.

          • peetypuck

            Haha, I wonder if Greening argues about everything just for the sake of arguing?

          • peetypuck

            That’s strange. I don’t get a picture of Greening here but in my mailbox I just got Greening’s pic.

    • sprucesens

      yeah, berglund better not be the “top 6″ player we are getting back. St. louis doesn’t have a good enough prospect or 1st round pick to make that the best offer available. His top point total is 52. That’s borderline 2nd line talent, more like a REALLY good 3rd liner. he’s 26, so he’s basically at his peak. I would think maybe if it was berglund AND shattenkirk with a pick, that we will be trading with them, but if berglund is the primary piece, we are looking at a top 5 pick next year. Rattie and jaskin are interesting prospects, no doubt, but we need guys that are ready to step in now, not roughly be the same as what we have in our system. But i guess you can’t have too many options.

  • Andrews theory

    What’s amazing is how well St. Louis has drafted recently in the second round.

  • karlssens

    Ryan-Turris-Mac
    Hoffman-zibby-Berglund
    Kulemen-grabo-stone
    Greening-smith-condra

    Quite honestly not that bad of a lineup, and very possible. Defense, another story..

    • Sandy

      Where’s Lazar?

      • karlssens

        Don’t want him in the nhl this year to be honest.

        • Tooks

          Well its NHL or junior…

    • SensFanInMTL

      I’m sorry my friend. That 4th line is much disliked by most of us. Add the fact that you added BOTH Kulemen and Grabovski, I am very angry at the moment.

      • karlssens

        Lmao. Those guys would be money on a third line!

        • Doc

          Hell yeah.

        • SensFanInMTL

          You want money? Should’ve just said so. karlssens, I’d like to introduce you to Curtis Lazar.

          • Doc

            Easy now. The kid hasn’t even played 1 NHL game yet.

          • SensFanInMTL

            L’argent.

          • Doc

            L’ahent.

          • SensFanInMTL

            lol wut

          • Doc

            Faut le dire avec l’accent.

            La-hen

          • SensFanInMTL

            What?! You know in your dark mind this kid will be money.

          • SensFanInMTL

            By the way.

          • Doc

            Thought you spoke French, sorry.

          • SensFanInMTL

            It’s not often. That is why I didn’t get the reference.

          • Doc

            All good!

            Just an expression that fit.

          • SensFanInMTL

            I still don’t get it though. What’s it about anyway? I’m bored and curious.

          • Doc

            It’s just a way to say money (l’argent) in french in a more…redneck kind of way I guess?

          • SensFanInMTL

            Oh. Aight. Thanks, Doc. L’homme de l’heure. That’s you bud.

        • sprucesens

          yeah, that’s 3 ex leafs. i’d take grabovski as a bargain bin 3c, but i’d honestly prefer to see what we have in da costa, or give the job to lazar. Even if we get better results with grabo. I’d rather find out what we have in our system.

          • Doc

            If the rumours are true and he’s close to re-sign, then I expect him to be the 3C to start the season and Smith as 4C.

          • sprucesens

            which rumours?

      • cups

        nothing wrong with grabo and kulee, except convincing them to play on the third line. they played khl and scored lots of point, no play on fuckin 3rd line

    • cups

      stone-turris-griz
      hoff-zib-blobby
      milo-berglund-condra
      greening-smith-neil
      da costa
      pageau
      lazar
      jaskin
      puempel
      grant

      erhoff-karlsson
      cowen-ceci
      wiercioch-gryba?
      phillips
      borowiecki
      claesson

      is claesson right or left?

      pretty simple moves, all discussed before. I really think something of what went on at the trade deadline between buf and ott had to do with veteran defencemen. Stewart was just afterbirth of something that may have gone down because Tim had an opportunity to take advantage of Brian, possibly knowing something of the captains state of mind and well being.. was he helping or hindering Brian by grabbing a piece he knew his uncle coveted in Stewart? I suspect he was grabbing a scrap so that his uncle didn’t have to deal past it being offered to him, and in the same breath the intent to pawn it off to something that it could be worth knowing his uncles nature. im gones

    • CaMo

      This line-up would get us that lottery pick that’s for sure.

  • Jakester

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VVwqnHIO2gA

    If we make Berglund feel welcome maybe he can score one like this for the Sens!

  • Sandy

    Off topic for those of you fans of the CFL – per Steve Lloyd.

    So. Play on. The CFL and the CFLPA have a new CBA. The @REDBLACKS play their inaugural game at @sskroughriders Saturday on @TSN1200

    • karlssens

      Just happy we have another sports team.. This city needs to become more sport hungry..

  • SensFanInMTL

    You probably saw this but Merry Christmas, Jakester. It came early.

  • sprucesens

    If the rights to berglund are the center piece of this deal, we will be the laughing stock of the NHL. Fortunately, this would be the year to do it. I’d sooner package spezza to florida for the 1st, with something else not a part of our core for the pick. Have the player, ekblad/bennett/reinhart in the ahl or junior next year, then bring in mcdavid and either of those 3 the next year! lol.

    Seriously though, the rights to berglund should be virtually worthless. We could offer sheet him for 3.3 mill and give up a 2nd round pick. We can trade spezza elsewhere for better pieces. I’ll submit my trade now. It might be a “wish” trade, but at least we could all be rooting for my trade to go through and win, lol.

    • SensFanInMTL

      All we can hope is that Murray doesn’t settle for Berglund as part of the package. Don’t settle as he did in the Heatley deal.

      • sprucesens

        yeah i agree. He’s an RFA. He’s basically a throw in at this point. I’m fine with him as the roster piece, but we’d have to be getting a top player on top of that, and that just won’t happen. Like shwartz or tarasenko. If we get a 1st, rattie/jaskin and the rights to an RFA, we will look very bad. There basically isn’t a package from the other teams that i could put together that look worse than that. And i technically like all of those pieces, there is just nothing that makes us any better now or in the future in that deal. If we don’t get a top player back right now, it has to be one that will be in the future.

        • cups

          if we got berglund and tarasenko + I’d shit my pants.. now that I’ve said it on the internets, chances went up 10%

          • sprucesens

            chanes of the trade, or your messy pants

          • cups

            I’ll send my laundry bill to euge

  • sprucesens

    well i’ve sent my trade in.

    Spezza, PW, 2nd, Hemsky’s Rights

    To Nashville For

    Josi, Forsberg, Conditional 1st, becomes a 2nd if spezza doesn’t resign.

    • sprucesens

      let’s hope i win, someone else can have the wiser’s thing. I’ll be happy enough as is

    • cups

      me likey

    • cups

      still weary about moving pw tho

    • FistsofNeil25

      You’re going to feel like your heart has been ripped out of your chest and stomped on when you see the return we’re going to receive.

      • Doc

        I know, right? lol…

      • sprucesens

        PW has similar stats to Josi, and would fill the vacant gap. They have a plethora of young talented D. Its hardly a much different trade than Shattenkirk, Rattie and a 1st that many others post. Forsberg has more value, but really, hasn’t proved anything more than rattie. Its still a top A level prospect, no more, no less. The rights to hemsky are nearly worthless, but might just be a little cherry on top to sign him with spezza for a few years, and replacing Forsberg. their 1st pick isn’t a ton better than our 2nd pick that we give up. I don’t really see a huge problem with it. If you can show me an argument where Forsberg is deemed a TON higher than rattie, or josi a TON more than PW, I’d be all ears. Not saying its not far fetched, but the value is probably close, if you don’t overvalue other team’s players

  • ProfessorPower

    Well, if the NHL source is from STL it has nothing to do with what BM wants..Just the offer STL is trying to give.

    I really hope we dont get a package with Berglund, Ducks have far better pieces to deal with.

  • jtf927

    to Ottawa:

    berglund + jbo + 1st round pick

    to St. Louis

    spezza + 2nd round pick

    • sprucesens

      o man, yuck. the rights to berglund, a late first for a high 2nd, marginally different, like 15 spots or less, and we include cowen. again, yuck

      • jtf927

        although i am hoping for a good haul, i doubt we will get for spezza what we gave up to get ryan.

    • cups

      works w/o cowen

  • sprucesens

    i think that’s a big thing that people are forgetting about berglund. Its only the rights to him. yes he is an RFA, so we should be able to sign him without interference. Most rights to an RFA wouldn’t fetch you a PPG centerman, and i hope in this case, at most, its a throw in, if st. louis is in the mix at all.

    • cups

      I did not know this, and it changes everything… to the tune of him,
      jaskin, 2014 1st, and 2015 2nd

    • FistsofNeil25

      There’s a significant difference between UFA rights and RFA rights. Berglund would still be our asset but without a contract. I don’t know what you mean that we should be able to sign him without interference. No one just signs other teams RFA’s anymore. The risk is too high to offer sheet a player.

      • sprucesens

        yes I know, but aside from player value, its the same as us trading gryba’s rights. They should be nearly worthless. Bottom pairing D is not much less than 3rd line C. I know we would be signing Berglund with no issues on our end, or other team’s offer sheeting him. Just making the point that he could very well file for arbitration, or have higher salary demands and so on. Its a risk that way. Not sure if he can do arbitration, just making the point, that in the end, its only rights.

  • sprucesens

    “In Ottawa, the Hawks have liked C/W Zack Smith in the past, and they like him now. Also add W/C Colin Greening to that list (somewhere in Canada, Greening’s fellow Newfoundlander, Dr. Mike Hart, is pleased at this news). Greening is especially interesting as he has the size/speed combination the Hawks have been lacking, and the ability to play a complementary role with more skilled forwards—something Troy Brouwer did well in Chicago. ” From the chicago blogger on hockey buzz. Wow, if they want greening, by all means. We won’t ask for much back. Ask for 3rd round pick, accept future considerations. lol

    • cups

      his gf is from there, school/ work?… maybe murray does what he did for fisher, minus, you know , the being a decent hockey player being given away

  • sprucesens

    yikes, rangers have 11 guys for 54 million going into next year. Nash buyout? Wouldn’t that be ironic if we signed him after a buyout. Keep our assets and get him too? Yes he’s shat the bed since going there. Must be spending too much time partying and shopping in NYC. lol. I’d take him as our 2LW. 5-6 mill for 3 years? Don’t see him signing here, if he veto’d a trade here though.

    • cups

      rather have michalek at 3mil

  • BigDaddy

    If the return is jbo, berglund and a pick I will vomit everywhere. That is essentially St. Louis telling Murray I know we have this long list of great young talent but I would rather give you scraps. If that fan base doesn’t get a sinking feeling after hearing a name involved in the trade I will be disappointed. I remember a lot of people having Zbad and Silfverberg on their list of untouchables before the Ryan trade…..had to give up one of them. Trade him to the east. Hell I would take Kadri straight up for Spezza instead of that deal.

  • jimmyjohnson

    I don’t trust Murray to make a good deal here.

    • bluebuyyoo

      Shit! You’re right! You better take over.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I trust him to take the best deal offered. If that ends up being Berglund+ for Spezza then so be it. That would tell us exactly what the market is for him.

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    I doubt I’ll like ANY trade with St. Louis unless Shatty or Schwartzy is involved. No Jaskin! Only Russian I’d take is obviously Tarasenko. But Russians are SCARY! they run home in the blink of an eye. And like to only come to play for a season in contract seasons.

    BM shouldn’t settle AT ALL… IF…. offers aren’t good enough, then wait. He shouldn’t feel forced in anyway. There are advantages here for Murray. He’s just got to play his cards right. Whether a deal happens in 2 weeks or 2 months. Don’t settle. I doubt we are getting a top 5 pick, unless Florida and the Islanders are not on his list. OORRRR it’s a 3-way deal

    • FistsofNeil25

      Just for the record, Jaskin is a Czech who was just born in Russia. He played in a Czech U18 league, Czech Superleague, represented the Czechs at the world juniors more than once, and played junior hockey in for Moncton of the Qmjhl.

      He’s no Russian.

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        I stand corrected. thank you sir. I knew he played in Q though

        • FistsofNeil25

          No worries I thought he was a Russian as well until I read more about him. He sounds like an intriguing prospect. The only thing I didn’t like in his scouting report was his apparent lack of foot speed.

          If Murray accepts a package including Berglund and Jaskin, he’s definitely making us a bigger team, but he’s also making us a slower team. We already have enough players on the roster with below average foot speed. Ryan, Stone, Smith, Neil, Phillips, Gryba, Cowen, Wiercioch, Borowiecki.

  • FBP

    If we’re flipping Smith to Chicago for a D, maybe getting Berglund as our third line C makes sense.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    My preffered trade would be Spezza to TO (1/3 salary retained) for Kadri + 1st 2014

  • Stephane Cantin

    St-Louis

    Spezza, Wiercioch and 2015/2nd round draft pick

    Ottawa

    Oshie and Shattenkirk

    Trade done on June 26th

    • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

      Never

    • ChampIsHere

      St Louis won’t be parting with the American boys

    • Doc

      Yeah, not gonna happen.

      We’d be lucky to get Oshie straight up.

  • Brutus5247

    Spezza is an auction item. Depends on the number of bidders?

  • Doc

    I’m still surprised to see so many optimistic trade proposals.

    • aegiszx

      This… I dont know if its blind homerism or what but I’ve lowered my expectations after the initial surprise… I’ll be glad just to get anything back for him really…

    • spezzerman

      I think he is worth more than a bottom 6 forward and a draft pick. Call me a homer, I’m ok with that.

      • aegiszx

        And if BM lands a bottom 6 forward and a draft pick (2nd round)? Maybe the demand is not as high as we think… like many others have said, the fact that maybe Thorton, Marleau, Staal, and Kesler are available definitely hurt BMs position.

        • spezzerman

          Ok, but all those guys arent getting traded this summer. personally I dont think both Thornton and Marleau are going anywhere. maybe one, but not both. Staal’s stock has dropped tremendously. He hasnt put up points like Spezza and his two way game is average at best. Sure he is way faster but if that doesnt translate into points, is that really an advantage? I dont think teams will necessarily choose staal over spezza automatically.

          we shall see how this plays out. I believe we can get two good pieces that will help us next season, I am okay with that belief.

        • Dirk-Diggler

          If the hghest bid is a bottom six forward and a 2nd rd pick, then hang onto Spezza… Let him play out his contract and if he has a great year either trade him at the deadline or if he returns to a 80 point player sign him!

        • spezzerman

          The other thing to consider is that there are probably 2 or 3 teams that Marleau and Thornton would go to and those teams likely dont need them enough to put up the assets to get them. These guys want a Cup and they just signed with full NTC’s because San Jose is as legit a contender as there is.

          Vancouver is asking a tonne for Kesler that many teams wont be willing to pay. Also, Kesler has missed a lot of time due to injury last two years and he is only 14 months younger than Spezza. Yes, he is that prototypical 200 foot player but he has a lot of the same qualities that many here feel hurts spezza’s value. Spezza will always out produce Kesler too, which does carry value

          • Sandy

            I assume Vanc will send Kesler to the East.

          • spezzerman

            Van doesnt have much say in that though. Its really up to Kesler I think. But I agree, that would be Van’s preference I am sure.

      • Doc

        And that’s ok, but I’ve seen some very unrealistic proposals.

        We’re not going to get Josi straight up for Spezza, let alone with Forsberg and a pick.

        This is just one of many examples.

        • spezzerman

          No I agree, but Colin Wilson and Ryan Ellis is a very realistic return in my opinion. Or Etum and Vatanen from Anaheim.

          • Doc

            I think I’d settle for good prospects at this point.

            I don’t mind ridding out the kids next year and see where that leads us.

          • spezzerman

            its a good year for that, for sure.

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    I’ll go POSTAL if we get Kadri, he’s a little bitch with Avery like tactics. Productive or not. I can’t stand him

    • Hax

      Yeah I agree. Though if it’s true that Murray actually was hoping to draft him before Burke did (which, for the record I don’t think it is) then maybe Murray’s people know something about Kadri’s character that we don’t? Maybe he can mature with the right people helping him? We could use a rat with talent as long as he knows how to be a Marchand-level rat and not an Avery-level one.

      I used to despise PK as much as Kadri but now I have to admit that PK has matured (some). Maybe Kadri can too?

      But unless Murray and his staff feel Kadri can be less of a jerk then I don’t want anything to do with him.

      • spezzerman

        cant deny we could use his ability to fool refs into drawing calls…

        • Hax

          Well I can (sort of). Again, if he can learn to walk the line better then great – more power to him and whatever team he’s with.

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        Take Marchand anyday over Kadri. For the record neither do I. I’m convinced Murray wanted Burke to believe that so the Leafs wouldn’t take Cowen

        • Hax

          Ditto. Burke was hilarious in how he blurted out his plan before Murray could even say anything.

    • Jakester

      i don’t like him but he’s talented as hell

    • ghost of Moose Vasko

      meh – he’ll be our very own D’Arcy Tucker

  • EK65

    Berglund + Rattie + 2nd 2015

  • FistsofNeil25

    I wonder if St Louis is even willing to move their 2014 first rounder. They traded their 2011 first to Colorado in the Shattenkirk+Stewart deal, their 2013 first in the Bouwmeester deal and their 2015 first in the miller deal. Will they want to go three out of four years without a first round selection? Even if it’s a weak draft year?

    • JayRuN

      Makes me think maybe St. Louis wont be the one spezza gets dealt to. I think that first round pick is crucial in the return for spezza.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I don’t think he ends up in St Louis either. I would bet the most they are willing to offer are third liners like Berglund, depth defensemen like Cole and Polak, and B level prospects like Schmaltz, Jaskin and Rattie.

        I think Anaheim, Dallas, Nashville can all offer more and if Murray is open to trading Spezza within the eastern conference then there could be as many as 7 or 8 teams with more to offer than St Louis.

  • SensChirp

    If the deal ends up being Berglund, Rattie and a 1st round pick on Draft Day, we are going to have many winners.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      And the Sens being the losers!

    • FistsofNeil25

      lol yeah that was the first trade idea that people were throwing out all over the place when we first heard Spezza was available and St Louis was interested.

      I’ve honestly seen that exact trade everywhere

    • Dirtysweetness

      I really don’t know how to rate that trade…meh? What’s Rattie’s future potential look like? I know he’s undersized…

      • esk

        no way we pursue rattie after we just let go of conacher

        • Doc

          That’s why I’m not too excited at the prospect of getting him.

          We had the AHL MVP on our roster and look how that ended.

          • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

            He shoulda been put and LEFT with Spezza and Bobby

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        I’ve heard comparable with Puempel

    • ProfessorPower

      You mean losers ;)

    • sprucesens

      yeah, but we all end up losers. lol. Its not a horrible return, as each of those pieces have value, but really its a 3rd line Center who isn’t a TON younger than spezza, a hopefully A level prospect, who realistically might not ever make our team with our own prospects trying to land spots, and a 1st pick in a weak draft.

  • EK65

    Man I would love for this to turn into an epic 3 way trade! Love it when the Sens are the centre of attention, I just hope we can fleece someone. Anyone want to hire Mike Milbury?

  • Cassidaus

    Anybody wonder if Minnesota could be a possibility? It would kind of be out of left field, but I think they’re looking to add offense. Not sure what they could offer that would make sense, or if Spezza would go there. But I think they’re an up and coming team…

    • spezzerman

      very possible, considering how good he and Parise could be together. although he may not fit into their long term salary structure.

    • bluebuyyoo
      • Jakester

        I saw that – who knows?

        • bluebuyyoo

          True. Who knows.
          Considering that they stand to lose the top line, I would suspect that BM tries hard to extend Ryan. But if an offer comes along that is too good to refuse…

          • Dirk-Diggler

            And how far under the floor would we be?

            The fanbase could not take losing Ryan and Spezza this summer… It would also signal the Sens betting on the wrong guys going forward to big money deals just because they’d have to spend…

          • Hax

            For Ryan to get traded we’d need two things to happen (both entirely possible):

            1. Ryan to indicate that he won’t sign an extension (or at least not at what we can afford to offer).
            2. Another team offering someone near Ryan’s level who is already signed long term.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I think Minnesota is a pretty desirable place to play these days. They’re an up and coming team like you said, with Parise, Suter and Koivu leading the way. The have a very impressive crop of young talent with Granlund, Coyle, Neiderreiter, Haula, Brodin, Dumba, Folin and Phillips.

      Neiderreiter is a RFA this summer and next Coyle, Grandlund, Haula and Brodin are RFAs next summer.

      They have 23M in cap space this summer to fill out their roster. We’ve heard rumors that they want to go hard after Vanek as a UFA but maybe his playoff performance has either lowered his value or has changed their minds all together.

      I could see Minnesota being a potential landing spot for Spezza if they aren’t comfortable with Granlund and Koivu as their first and second line centers. Spezza would be a great fit with all the talent they have.

      Murray would certainly target one of Coyle, Neiderreiter or Granlund in a package for Spezza, but are the Wild interested in moving any of those three promising young players?

      • spezzerman

        I think Neiderreiter’s play took away their interest in Vanek. Minny has done a great job

      • Cassidaus

        I like that. The Euge was also impressed with Finland’s showing at the Olympics.

        Chirp, I’ll take the long shot prediction of Granlund+Haula+pick for Spezza.

    • esk

      i want neiderreiter!

  • Dirtysweetness

    How’s about Bjugstad and a pick for a re-signed Spezza? From Hockey’s Future:

    Talent Analysis

    Bjugstad is a physically dominating presence. His combination of strength and positional awareness with a hard, accurate shot makes him a force at both ends of the ice. Bjugstad plays with poise and he protects the puck exceptionally well in the offense zone by either skating out of trouble or simply shielding opponents with his arms and legs while he buys time to find an open teammate. He can be very difficult to knock off the puck and rarely loses battles along the boards.

    Future

    Bjugstad made his professional debut late last season, and looks to continue to play at the NHL level in the fall. He has the skill-level to become a scoring line center who will be defensively responsible and who can play in any game situation. His puck skills will allow him to be a mainstay on the powerplay while his high level of hockey intelligence and work rate can also make him a key member of a penalty kill unit.

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    Arrrggghhhhh 2 Weeks today till the draft. This is going to be a really long 14 freakin days

  • Spoons

    I hope Murray goes for Stastny on the FA market. Plus whoever we get from the Spezza deal, wa winger and or a D-man, those would potentially be 2 or 3 great additions!

    • Sandy

      The Sens stand no chance at all to get Stastny.

  • esk

    why is Berglund rumoured to be our target? he is a 3rd line center

    • Hax

      He can also play wing and would be an above average 3C. In other words, a big help to Zibanejad as he’s trying to grow into the 2C role. Much more so than slotting DaCosta or Pageau as 3C. Some also think he could actually end up as 2C if he continues to improve his game and finds chemistry with some good wingers.

      • esk

        turris/berglund/zibby/dacosta/pageau/smith

        • Hax

          Yeah so if we had Burglund (or any other really good 3C or better) that means we can more seriously consider moving Smith – i.e. if the Chicago rumors are true. If don’t add a C somehow, going with Turris and ZIbanejad playing a bit over their heads and then having DaCosta/Pageau/Grant or whoever in the bottom six … that could get dicey.

      • sprucesens

        he better hurry, he’s already 26

    • Andrews theory

      i dont know if we are “targeting” him per say (i hope not). I think it’s more a case of St Louis doesnt have an issue parting with him.
      key to this trade will be forcing a teams hand to part with a peice they dont want to part with.

      • Hax

        Exactly. I’m sure we’d love to get Shattenkirk and Oshie for Spezza but that just won’t happen. So Murray is probably thinking he can maybe start there and negotiate his way to Berglund and Shattenkirk by adding to his end of the deal etc. Or Burglund and other pieces for Spezza.

  • Andrews theory

    How about Dallas stepping up with the best offer to beat out St Louis with a package of
    Alex Chiasson
    Brett Ritchie
    2014 1st rounder (14th overall)

    • Hax

      That pick might end up being Brett’s brother Nick by the way. Interesting.

    • Pasky

      I like the trade but I doubt we get both Chiasson and Ritchie considering they are both big RW scoring wingers. I would actually guess that if Dallas trades away Chiasson then his spot on the wing would go to Ritchie.

      I would say something like this to get it done.

      Jason Spezza
      Shane Prince

      Alex Chiasson
      Radek Faksa
      2014 3rd round (75th overall)
      Conditional 2015 or 2016 1st round

      The condition being that we get the 2015 1st round pick if Spezza signs an extension before the draft, or 2016 if it’s done after the draft.

      • Hax

        I like the structure of the conditional picks as it allows Murray to get full value before this year’s draft. But I still think if I’m Murray I don’t want to wait over a year hoping that Spezza extends with some team so I get a first rounder. I’d rather wait until July 1st when I can trade Spezza for a complete package with no strings attached.

        But he may feel some pressure to get something done before this year’s draft or he might feel that the frenzy of the draft is the best place to maximize value for Spezza now.

      • sprucesens

        ummm, spezza would HAVE to sign AFTER the draft for it to be legal. Can only sign a player in the last year of their contract. So july 1st. And that’s after the draft. But I see the logic, but you’d have to change some conditions up a bit. I suppose you could be saying it as signing an extension by this time NEXT summer? If so, this all makes sense and I look quite the fool. lol. Although, that leaves like a 3-5 day window for the condition to turn to a ’16 pick before he’s a full UFA. And probably by then, other teams are already welcome to talk to him, thanks to the 1 week grace period.

  • Hax

    Given that I’m convinced that this trade won’t happen before July 1st (though I could be wrong and some posters have offered up scenarios that seem possible)…

    I wonder if any team that wants Spezza would work with Murray on who they pick with their first rounder this year and then include that player in the package. Not saying they’d just let Murray pick the guy of course since the trade might not end up happening if they can’t get Spezza to agree to an extension they like. But using Andrews theory’s scenario below:

    Maybe Dallas talks to Murray and Murray asks for exactly that package. Dallas says “well I don’t want to give you that package if I don’t have ink on a Spezza extension”. Murray then says “well who are you planning to draft”. Dallas gives a few names they’re considering and Murray shares his thoughts etc. At the end of the day they come up with a sort of handshake deal where Dallas offers Chiasson, Ritchie and a couple of options both teams like at #14 with the understanding that they’ll pull the trigger once Dallas and Spezza’s agent have an agreement on the extension.

  • esk

    Bruce Garrioch claims that Vancouver Canucks have contacted the sens about spezza….this is new to me! who do they offer?

    • EK65

      Kesler

      • Andrews theory

        pass

    • Hax

      Makes sense if they’re losing Kesler. I wonder if there’s a deal there to be made.

      • spezzerman

        Kesler can’t possibly be interested in staying in Canada, can he?

      • Dirtysweetness

        Wonder if they’d give up Garrison? Say Garrison, Kassian and a pick for Spezza and Anderson?

    • Andrews theory

      i would need bo horvat coming back

      • ProfessorPower

        Horvat Kassian 1st would be a dream

        • Hax

          Kassian could wear “Not Matt” on his Sens jersey.

        • Sandy

          From what I saw of him, Zach Kassian is not a player I would want back..

    • Turbo_Prop

      Any chance we could get Edler?

      • EK65

        Really don’t see the hype about Edler. Someone else mentioned this before, I looked him up, the guy isn’t anything amazing.

        We do need a top 4 defenceman though.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          How do you look someone up and decide they are no good?

          • runningbear1974

            A picture is worth a 1000 words… Or something like that…

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Everyone who thinks Spezza will be dealt for other teams scraps is undervaluing Spezza. The team that wins the right to acquire Spezza will have to give up a top prospect and a 1st rd pick easily. Also, teams like Chicago, St Louis and Anaheim are deep enough that them trading away these guys wont be a large negative effect and the addition of Spezza will make them better overall. These teams will trade from their area of strength.

    • Hax

      90% of the trade proposals I’ve seen so far are either overvaluing Spezza or reflecting the value of a one-year rental. I’ve seen a few that look reasonable but they usually A) add to Spezza and/or B) happen after Spezza is eligible to sign an extension as part of the trade.

    • FistsofNeil25

      No, the people who don’t think we will get another teams top prospects or roster players are the ones who listen to insiders like Dreger and McGuire, as well as our own GM Bryan Murray when they say we aren’t going to get full value for Spezza. I think these guys know what they’re talking about more than we do.

      We aren’t undervaluing Spezza, we’re expecting to get less than full value. That’s the reality of the situation given Spezza’s age, contract status, back issues, and the fact that there are other top centers available as well this summer.

      Nashville won’t likely give us Forsberg, Anaheim won’t give us Lindholm or Smith-Pelly, Chicago won’t give us Teravainen etc etc

      • peetypuck

        Spezza going to St. Louis or Anaheim could change the balance of power in the west. St. Louis’ window to win the cup is right now and the next several years. The question for Doug Armstrong is can his prospects make as big an impact as Spezza (plus the chance to sign Hemsky) over that period of time.

        • FistsofNeil25

          St Louis doesn’t have any real top prospects like those other teams have. Their top prospects are Jaskin and Rattie. They’re good prospects but nothing spectacular, and they would definitely be available for Spezza. They aren’t going to give up Schwartz, Oshie or Tarasenko, and likely not Shattenkirk either.

          The most they’ll give up is Berglund+Jaskin/Rattie/Cole+pick/prospect.

          • peetypuck

            A top #1 centre for that rag-tag bunch? Bryan Murray should simply laugh at Armstrong and hang up the phone until he makes a serious offer.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I think another team can offer us more, but not much more.

            Nashville could offer us Wilson+11th overall + Aberg/Beck/Sissons

            Anaheim could offer is Bonino/Palmieri + 10th overall + Etem/Rakell/Theodore

            I don’t expect much better than a package like that based on everything we know by now.

          • peetypuck

            Someone else would certainly offer a better trade than what you assume St. Louis would. Doug Armstrong would be foolish to let a chance to get Spezza slip by without making a serious offer. Unless he enjoys losing in the first round of the playoffs every year.

          • esk

            exactly! i think only way blues can get spezza is if they offer shattenkirk..

          • peetypuck

            If they don’t someone else will make a better offer.

      • Hax

        There is a LOT of room between “full value” and “other teams scraps”.

        Will we see a trade of Spezza for Shattenkirk and Oshie? No. Will we have to settle for a third liner and an AHL player? No.

  • Stephane Cantin

    The question is also if melnyk is willing to take some salary back in the trade

    • Andrews theory

      He needs to take salary back or they wont hit the cap floor

    • Hax

      Some of Spezza’s salary or are you talking about a player coming back with a big salary?

      • Stephane Cantin

        I mean somebody else coming back in the trade with some big salary or at least even to Spezza

        • Hax

          Ah okay – so yeah as AT pointed out we’d need to add some salary to get to the floor anyway. Let alone the budget. So if the Spezza return is cheap/picks then we’ll absolutely need to add some salary somewhere. Lehner will get a raise and maybe (as Chirp suggested) we sign Alfie for 1 year at $8M to round out the budget.

    • runningbear1974

      Is it possible to take some salary cap back without taking any salary?
      His salary cap is 7 million… Salary is 4 million… Hold back 3 million salary cap…

  • Mat

    I think calling Patrick Berglund a 3LC a naive miscalculation. He’s was a 3LC in St-Louis only because of the deepness of players at the C position, with even young rookies chipping at the heels. On a Spezza-less Sens team, no doubt he would be a competent 2LC. The guy was productive for team Sweden at the Olympics on a squad that was stacked.

    I would see benefits in bringing another Swede player to temper moral among key players like EK65, Lehner, MZ93, who might still be upset at the departure of Alfie.

    From all the trade speculations I’ve heard so far, I’m hoping our trade partner is St-Louis…

    • ProfessorPower

      I disagree, Berglund is basically a Michalek and gives us almost no help moving towards becoming a playoff contender.. and STL proposals have/can be easily beat out by Ducks, Nashville, Dallas and potentially Vancouver.

      HIm being Swedish should have zero effect, we need North American style players who can play with grit, are clutch, and can elevate their game when its needed. Berglund is zero of those things..if a deal actually revolves around Berglund I will lose all faith in Murray as our GM.

      • Mat

        What are you? Melnyk’s accountant??

        12M + is coming off the books with our first line leaving. Some players will need to be paid more than 850K if we want to reach the cap floor.

        As for your assessment of Berglund, I’m not sure you’re describing a player that would make the Swedish Olympic team, on a good year. You need to go back to the film room.. And I don’t think you’d ever see Michalek do this…

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi8c0dWrtnI&feature=kp

        • Rafi Bomb

          Michalek had a big hit once. I think it was on Bobby Ryan actually. Berglund is a pretty similar player overall. Neither are very gritty or have much toughness. Neither have high end offensive upside and both are average playoff performers. We don’t really need more players like Berglund, we need gritty top six players that raise their games in the playoffs.

          Getting Berglund as a primary piece in return would be a bad trade. Fortunately Murray sees it this way as well, otherwise we would have Berglund at this point.

    • esk

      i was just going with research and info out there about him…everything says he is a 3rd line center with potiential to be a 2nd…if thats the case i wouldnt approve of a trade around him

    • peetypuck

      If Bryan Murray really wants to aquire Berglund he doesn’t need to trade Spezza to get him. Probably this year’s 2nd round pick would do it.

  • Tooks

    So looks like we are interested in Vinny…haha damn, even IF Philly take on 5o% I wouldnt touch Vinny with a 10 foot pole…Is Murray trying to make us the slowest team in the NHL?

    • ProfessorPower

      really? where did you see that?

      • Tooks

        Tim Panaccio of CSNPhilly.com

        • ProfessorPower

          Ya I dont think thats a legit rumor..well hopefully cuz why the hell would we want Vinny lol

          • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

            I’d take Vinny for a year or 2 if the price was right/deal was right

    • FistsofNeil25

      No credible source has claimed we’re interested I’m Vinny. I wouldn’t take him even if Philly retained 100% of his contract lol

    • sprucesens

      I would take him if it came with huge salary retention. Tough to take it on for that long though. Seems his ship has sailed though. Not top tier talent any more.

    • Rafi Bomb

      No, he is too old and isn’t the same player he used to be. If you look at his salary, he doesn’t even need to try anymore.

      2014-2015 TB: Salary: $10M, Signing Bonus: $3M
      Philadelphia: Salary:$6M, Signing Bonus: $2M
      Total: $21M

      2015-2016 TB: Salary: $10M, Signing Bonus: $2M
      Philadelphia: Salary:$4.5M, Signing Bonus: $2M
      Total:$18.5M

      2016-2017 TB: Salary: $8.5M
      Philadelphia: Salary:$3M, Signing Bonus: $500K
      Total:$12M

      2017-2018 TB: Salary: $4M
      Philadelphia: Salary:$3M
      Total:$7M

      2018-2019 TB: Salary: $1.5M

      2019-2020 TB: Salary: $1M

      Overall total: $61M

    • Sandy

      Source?

  • Pasky

    Wonder if Chicago wanting Smith and Greening is true. Too bad that they are close to the salary cap since it makes it harder to complete a trade. This one seems one sided but maybe doable since it’s the same salary coming in as going out.

    Smith
    Greening
    Methot

    Bickell
    Oduya

    Add prospect or draft pick to make it work. The NTC makes a deal harder, but would be a deal that can help both teams.

  • Brendan

    What I think will happen:
    June 27
    Spezza to Anaheim
    Bonino & Anaheim’s 10th overall pick to Ottawa

    What I want to happen
    Spezza to STL
    Sign and trade Berglund & Rattie to Ottawa

    • ProfessorPower

      you would take Berglund and Rattie over Bonino and 10ov?

      • Mat

        Is that even a question? Yes, and yes again. And the Spezza trade with St-Louis would include their first as well. (SIMILAR PACKAGE TO BOBBY RYAN REMEMBER??)

      • Brendan

        If Berglund was signed for 3 years yes i would take Berlund and Rattie over Bonino and 10 overall as both Berglund and Rattie could play next year. A 10th overall pick may be 3 or 4 years away if ever, Ottawa fans want results sooner than later. Not a 6-7 year rebuild…….

    • peetypuck

      Put Da Costa, Pageau and Rattie on the same line and we can have our own Smurf line.

    • Rafi Bomb

      I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if the Blues had already offered the package you suggested. That is a low ball offer and we likely have a handful of those from a few different organizations. Fortunately Murray isn’t going to accept them, otherwise we would have made the trade already.

  • EHMatt

    1. Colorado
    2. June 27th, 2014
    3. Jason Spezza & Eric Gryba for Ryan O’Reilly, Duncan Siemens and a 1st in 2014

    • ProfessorPower

      please be right.

    • Hax

      Would love ROR but FWIW when you google Siemens the first auto-complete option is “Duncan Siemens bust”.

    • Stephane Cantin

      would do it one for one for O’Reilly

    • Doc

      Yeah, no need to add to O’Reilly in that trade.

      That package would be for him only, and you probably would have to add.

  • esk

    do you see any team in the east desperate enough to overpay and acquire spezza? besides the leafs lol

    • FBP

      The Islanders will do anything.

      • esk

        **and islanders haha

      • Brendan

        I would say they made Spezza’s list of teams he would not go to….

      • peetypuck

        The Islanders still owe Yashin $2.2 million next year. hehehe

    • ghost of Moose Vasko

      you can never rule out the Flyers and the Rangers
      they’re both charter members of BIG TRADE CLUB

    • Andrews theory

      What about Washington?

      • Brutus5247

        OMG Spezza and OVI Minus 100!

    • Sandy

      Florida or Toronto

  • A-Train

    Let’s not forget the possibility of the 3-way trade.

    Acquire the prospect/pick/player package for Spezza…then put together a different Q for Q trade with an Eastern team or maybe an Edmonton or Winnipeg.

    • ProfessorPower

      I think there is a high chance that if we get a 1st rounder we will flip it for another roster player. We may add to the first depending on the target. Thats why I want the 10 overall from The Ducks

    • FistsofNeil25

      Spezza for Sbisa+10th+Etem then flip Greening+Cowen+10th+ to Edmonton for the third overall. Draft either Bennett or Reinhart depending on who’s left.

      Am I reaching too much?

      • Hax

        Seems like a lot to move up to 3rd from 10th.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I was originally going to say Cowen but I felt like throwing in our overpaid 4th liner just for fun.

          Plus the drop off in talent after the top three is apparently pretty significant.

          • Hax

            Fair point about the difference between 3 and 10, but it still seems like a lot to part with two roster players. One of whom is a former first rounder, 9th overall, himself and (despite some opinions) can’t be called a bust yet.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Yeah I’m not ready to call Cowen a bust yet. I’m basically just bored out of my mind sitting on a train back to Ottawa thinking of all kinds trade possibilities.

            So basically it becomes Bennett/Reinhart+Etem +Sbisa for Spezza Greening and Cowen

          • Jakester

            honestly might take Cowen and smith to move up to 3rd from 10th but I’d do it.

      • Jakester

        Now you’re using your noggin – i like something like that.

      • sprucesens

        definitely interesting proposal, but I don’t know if Edmonton takes that, ESPECIALLY if ekblad is there, then they are laughing all the way to the bank

        • FistsofNeil25

          Well that trade would be assuming that Ekblad is taken in the top two. I think Florida keeps their pick and drafts Ekblad and then Buffalo will take Reinhart second.

          • sprucesens

            yeah, I think so too, but I could also see florida going for a forward to increase scoring. they have top talent in both positions, and now have Lu for the foreseeable future. They have tons of options, including trading for more pieces.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I think Florida will need a big time offer to consider moving that first overall. They would be happy to draft Ekblad and have him and Gudbranson as their top pairing for the next 10+ years.

            I don’t think Spezza is enough to entice them to give up the 1st overall.

    • jimmyjohnson

      3way trades happen all the time too.

      • MethotToMyMadness

        I like 3 ways

      • A-Train

        Touche. Maybe not a direct 3-way … but if we get a roster player, pick and prospect…seems like a lot to add to an already-crowded system.

        Maybe Murray puts some of it together to get a player we’re more excited about at a later date.

  • jimmyjohnson

    I keep thinking about how Murray is handling this and it annoys me to no end.

    Not only does he come out and admit that Spezza wants to be traded, he tells everyone he won’t be traded to the East, which basically allows Spezza to say ‘don’t trade me to these 9 teams, plus Buffalo’ or something like that.

    He’s done everything possible to limit the return we get and then comes out and tries to prep the fanbase for the paltry return??

    No, we should not accept this mismanagement. He should be held fully accountable if this trade goes south.

    • Hax

      Maybe wait until the trade actually goes south before you get all bent out of shape. Unless you’re clairvoyant you can’t possibly know the things you’re assuming.

      • jimmyjohnson

        unless you’re clairvoyant, you can’t possibly know that I’m not clairvoyant

        • Hax

          touche

    • Jakester

      it might also make a team in the East come in with a huge offer. No problem with the way Murray is handling it. Seems like everyday a new team’s name pops up ,Dallas and now Vancouver… so don’t be so hard on the old guy!

      • thepez

        Beat me too it. I think I will let BM and his 35 years of experience deal with it his way. Would not be surprised if an Eastern conference team overpays. Florida’s first overall and one of Huberdeau or Gudbranson would be nice. Not sure how realistic that is but one never knows.

        • Dirk-Diggler

          now that would be amazing!

    • Loyd

      Also, it doesn’t “allow Spezza” to do anything. He already had to submit his list of teams to Veto well before Murray made the comments, so it doesn’t change anything in that regard. Murray knows what he’s doing, he’s earned the right to be given the benefit of the doubt by now.

      • jimmyjohnson

        Do identify more with Steve Lloyd or Lloyd from Dumb and Dumber?

        Regardless of your answer, do you expect that you’ll like this trade a lot?

    • Alfieformayor11

      Ummmmmm…. Spezza submitted his “no trade” list in July 2012…

      Source: Senschirp via Garrioch

      • jimmyjohnson

        no, I’m pretty sure he submits a list every year

    • jimmyjohnson

      ok

  • AutoTurris

    Do you think Phoenix is on Spezza’s list? There’s an article here http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/James-Tanner/iThe–Spezza-Memorandumi/200/60596 and the impression I get from it is that they want Spezza badly. Maybe we could shove them to overpay. I don’t know really anything about their players and management so this is all just speculation/suggestion but the writer bring sup a good point; players like Spezza don’t come up often so if Phoenix really wants to make offers that will outbid ANA and STL, they’ll have to go big

    • MethotToMyMadness

      I like the fact that he had fun with the whole Rundblad trade, giving Ottawa it’s Center that makes Spezza replaceable. Would be funny to see that happen, where we steal away Turris, only to lose our original 1C to the Yotes. They do need someone though, and they have some young riches to part with.

    • Rafi Bomb

      Then we can get Hanzal and Domi.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Samuelsson over Domi all day. They have similar stats in junior but one guy is 6’3” 215lbs and the other guy is 5’9” 185lbs.

        Samuelsson has talent and he plays with a big edge. You want to be a big team that’s tough to play against right?

    • sprucesens

      I quoted the article above too, if others don’t want to click the link. Let’s you know how other team’s fans and so on view spezza. They see the risk, but they see the upside also. I trust murray will get good value. not something quite as good as what this guy posts, but still a very good return.

    • Jakester

      I like Lazar’s teammate Samuelsson(plays hard and has lots of talent). Him and a D man from Phoenix would be nice.

      • sprucesens

        yeah, I’d take gormley and Samuelsson and a pick maybe. lots of options with phx too. domi is another option. A few D to choose from also.

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        Michael Stone

    • Nicholas Rawlins

      How about Rundblad and a 2nd? Haha

      • Nicholas Rawlins

        Nvm forgot they traded him!

  • Spoons

    If Vancouver is in the mix for a Spezza trade, then you can bet that Murray will try an nab Horvat. Murray was really high on Horvat at the last draft.

    • Stephane Cantin

      I would love Kesler but who knows what it would take to get him or if they would do a one for one deal

    • Rafi Bomb

      Horvat and Kassian would be the key targets.

  • sprucesens

    this from a phx perspective blogger. Let’s you know that other teams and fans value spezza much higher than we do, as I’ve tried to suggest. “The target is obvious and he must be acquired. The Coyotes should be willing to part with Connor Murphy, maybe even Brandon Gormely to make this happen. Does Ottawa insist also on Samuelson and the 12th overall pick? If so, do it.”
    Obviously just another fan’s opinion, no different than yours or mine. But it does give a little insight that we maybe over value other team’s prospects, and undervalue our own players. We’ll get a good return, of that I’m confident

    • zippy

      I agree. Mostly because 100 point (or even 75 point) high end #1 #2
      centers don’t grow on trees. People saw how Spezz helped Hemsky and lit
      it up. STL won’t want to be ending early in the playoffs AGAIN. Neither
      will ANA. They’d be nuts not to make a serious offer. Or even over pay.
      You don’t want him against you.

  • FBP

    Maybe Melnyk will do something redonk over the next two weeks so it’s not just straight Spezza trade talk.

  • jtf927

    http://i.imgur.com/e1k2Y7s.png

    travis yost has a possible roster put together if we were to acquire berglund and re-sign 9mm. i actually really like the look of this. only thing else we need is another top 4 dman.

    • Sens-fan-in-mtl

      so all we are getting for Spezza is Berglund? doubt it, that better not be it

    • esk

      not making the playoffs

      • jtf927

        this looks like a playoff line-up. we need a top 4 d-man. the depth at centre and our first two lines are pretty good.

        • Rafi Bomb

          Nah bro, that team doesn’t make the playoffs.

        • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

          Lol playoff lineup

    • Rafi Bomb

      Yuk.
      >Michalek is a 3rd liner at this point.
      >Berglund hasn’t proven anything to be the defacto 2nd line centre.
      >Condra shouldn’t even be on the team, let alone on the 3rd line.
      >Even the organization isn’t fully sold on Hoffman.
      >Greening shouldn’t be on the team either.
      >Your lineup is too soft

      • FistsofNeil25

        Unless you’re expecting a major overhaul that roster by Yost isn’t far fetched at all. I agree with all your points pretty much but this seems to be the direction the team is heading next year.

      • jtf927

        i would not call this line-up soft. turris, ryan, mcarthur, 9mm, berglund, stone, hoffman, and zbad are all hard players. they all play the kind of fast 200 ft game that pmac wants. if we can get another top pairing dman, i would argue that we have a team capabal of going toe-toe with anyone in the eastern conference, albeit as long as there are no major regressions. the west would be a different matter. i would agree that we could not compete with any of the California based teams or Chicago. but let’s be realistic, unless we add Crosby, we are nowhere near a cup contender. the goal here is the playoffs.

      • Jakester

        Condra makes any lineup look like Crap.

  • peetypuck

    Happy 31st Birthday, Jason Spezza.

  • Ryan Skinner

    Jason spezza trade contest

    What team – Anaheim
    On what date – June 27th
    Details – To Anaheim – Jason Spezza
    To Ottawa – Nick Bonino, 2014 1st rounder (Anaheim 24th overall) and Rickard Rackell

    • Ryan Skinner

      my reasoning is Anaheim will give back a similar trade they got for Bobby Ryan, and Rackell was drafted 6 spots after Noesen in 2011.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Unfortunately I think that’s pretty accurate.

  • Nicholas Rawlins

    What does think Ryan will be worth at the deadline?

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Better be nothing

      • jimmyjohnson

        so he’s unsigned and injured then?

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          If Ryan leaves next year it will be 3 our top 4b players in back to back to back years… If the sky isn’t already falling and some fans still optimistic there w9 after that

          • jimmyjohnson

            I’m thinking my post went over your head

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Nope… Just making an attempt to continue the flow of discussion

          • Nicholas Rawlins

            I really don’t think he will sign my friend, not to be negative

          • Jakester

            Sandy did you change names?

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Hahaha that was very Sandy like eh.

            I haven’t been concerned about Ryan leaving until now though… Here’s hoping he extends as early as possible

          • Jakester

            It made me laugh, truthfully, I was once a real big fan of Spezza’s but now I see that this team needs to get out from under this type of hockey. The Sens have the guys to play center. This trade if it scores the Sens another young top prospect and a decent player plus a pick that we can trade up from, might just set us up for a long long time. You add to TUrris,Zibby,Karlsson,Ceci,Lazar,and Ryan , wow!

    • sprucesens

      hopefully nothing, because has an NTC and doesn’t want to be traded anywhere

  • Hooperstar

    He is going to Buffalo…

    Ottawa gets:
    Hodgson
    Stewart
    2014 – 2nd

    Buffalo gets:
    Spezza
    Prince

    There is a side order potential of myers and cowan being involved here…
    He is from Toronto so he is close to home for himself and his wife. Then there is the Murray connection and he can sell more tickets in Buffalo.

  • jimmyjohnson

    Am I the only one that thinks that Stastny isn’t anywhere in Spezza’s ballpark? I know he doesn’t cost any assets, but we’re talking about a whole othet class of player…

    Case in point: Spezza put up great numbers with terrible wingers. Stastny need all-stars to return to form, and followed the classic UFA year scoring increase.

    I think it’s laughable to suggest that just because he doesn’t cost assets, he’s somehow more attractive than Spezza.

    • savagestix

      Statsny at 6-6.5 wouldn’t be that bad if we lose spezza but yes…. Over 7 statsny is a big overpayment

      • jimmyjohnson

        I don’t think for a second that we’re on Stastny’s radar. I’m not implying that he’s an acceptable replacement or that we should keep Spezza because Stastny can’t fill that void. I’m saying that the suggestion from fans of team x that their team will and should wait for Stastny to be FA instead of going after Spezza is inane and complete nonsense.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I think teams would rather hold on to their young assets and wait and see if they can sign Stastny instead of trading those young assets and risk having Spezza leave them next summer.

      Obviously Spezza is in a higher class than Stastny, but I think Anaheim would rather sign Stastny and keep Palmieri, Etem and the 10th overall pick than trade those assets for Spezza. I think St. Louis would rather sign Stastny and keep Berglund, Jaskin and their 1st rounder.

      • jimmyjohnson

        Yeah, I understand and I agree, but I keep seeing the argument made that not only is he a better (less expensive) option, he’s also a better fit and better player overall than Spezza. Things like “same offensive output” and “equally skilled” have been said, and that’s just ridiculous.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Yeah let’s be real here, Stastny isn’t anywhere near Spezza’s level. He’s a very good player but he doesn’t have anywhere near the offensive capabilities that Spezza has. Imagine if Spezza hd MacKinnon and Landeskog as his wingers all season like Stastny did instead of Michalek and Conacher/Condra/Hemsky. Spezza probably would have been top 10 in scoring. Maybe even top 5.

          Whoever signs Stastny better have quality players for him to work with if they want him to be productive. He would be a nice fit in St Louis with Tarasenko and Schwartz but I think Spezza is a better fit in Dallas, Nashville or Anaheim.

    • Jakester

      Except Stastny can take care of his own end too, and produce offensively! Might just make him more valuable.

      • jimmyjohnson

        I don’t get fans like you. You watch him every game and then romanticise the idea of other skilled centres defensive games. Spezza literally is a top60 centre defensively in the league and people act like because he’s not a selke candidate that he’s still a defensive void in his own end. He’s very good defensively, considering the offensive numbers he generates. Add in his faceoff ability and his reputation in the locker room, and he should be a very valuable asset.

        Murray should just wait until after July 1 to trade him, once all the other players have settled on a destination. We know Kesler will be an issue with Anaheim, so let that settle. Apparently Stastny will be an issue with every suiter, so let him sign wherever. Thornton probably won’t be traded. And whatever other centres are on the market (Kadri, Marleau, Richards, etc) will likely have moved at the draft. Whoever is left without a centre will have no choice but to pay up for Spezza.

  • sprucesens

    filatov, conacher, corvo, hemsky’s rights and michaleks rights, cowen, greening and phillips for the 1st overall! SLAM DUNK.
    I don’t even know why I posted this. It feels like all our errors summed up. Ho hum, have a good weekend!

  • Sandy

    Thank god I can watch the LA-NY game on NBC tonight. I’ve had more than I can stomach of CBC.

  • Sandy

    Another HB blogger from Phoenix wants them to go after Spezza. Now Spezza probably knows the Ottawa part-owner of the Coyotes as he was a full season ticket holder for the Sens. Young Samuelsson would have to be part of the package.

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/James-Tanner/iThe–Spezza-Memorandumi/200/60596

    • FistsofNeil25

      They would probably have to get rid of Ribiero if they wanted to add Spezza. Spezza would make Ribiero completely expendable.

      I imagine that Phoenix would be on Spezza’s no-trade list as well, but if they aren’t they definitely have some good pieces to offer. I’d want Boedker and Samuelsson but if they traded Boedker then Spezza wouldn’t have anyone decent to play with.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Does anyone remember when LA was down 3-0 in the first round to SJ. What a team!

  • jtf927

    i am not entering another possible trade, but would this be possible?

    to ott:

    filip forsberg + nashville’s 1st rounder

    to nash:

    spezza + ottawa’s 2nd rounder

  • Sandy

    I remember Brian Boyle being a big goon. What happened? He can actually play. That was a nice goal.

    • jtf927

      no kidding eh? nice moves.

  • Nicholas Rawlins

    Think the kings would trade matt Greene, toffoli and the 30th selection for spezza?

    • Nicholas Rawlins

      Or is that wishful thinking?

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Why would they?

      • Nicholas Rawlins

        Idk got any blackmail? Haha

  • Sandy

    Bad penalty call on the Rangers when it was Muzzin who stuck his leg out. Results in an LA goal..

    • Nicholas Rawlins

      Yeah, was a head scratcher.

      • Sandy

        There have been 2 bad calls going against the Rangers. This one tonight and the goaltender interference on the LA goal earlier in the series. Could have been 2 wins for the Rangers and a completely different series.
        If these GMs don’t vote for the coaches challenge for next season, then they are bloody stupid.

    • wild bill

      Does it look like one team gets all the 50-50 calls??

  • Pasky

    Wonder if the Rangers join the Spezza sweepstakes once they buy out Richards… I’m thinking maybe Nash and a prospect, maybe retain salary if possible.

    • Sandy

      Nash would not waive to come to Ottawa. After watching him play, I don’t think I would want him on the Sens anyway. Columbus got the better in that deal.

    • Jakester

      Nash is worse than Spezza, you stay away from Nash. He’s their buyout candidate next year! The guy is beyond terrible!

    • not YOUR wingman

      GAWD – you really think that Eugene Pinchpenny would pick Nash’s
      zillion dollar contract ?

      These trade proposals keep getting more insane

    • luckan20

      No for Nash. Bryan will not move Spezza to Rangers and if he does, then Sather better be ready to unload Kredier, Brassard and a 2nd rounder for Spezza and Condra.
      Spezza is a point per game player and can he handle the MSG pressure. The best bet for him will be Florida, Tampa or Coyotes.

  • Sandy

    What a hockey game. Especially these OTs.

    • Captain Karl

      That was one of the most exciting overtimes I have ever seen

  • Luke McQueen

    Spezza goes to Anaheim
    Ottawa gets DSP, the 10th overall pick this year and next years 2nd round pick.
    That 2nd round pick in 2015 becomes a first if Spezza resigns with Anaheim.

  • luckan20

    After watching the play-off series, especially all the Kings series from San Jose on wards to cup, Hawks vs. Wild, Wild vs Colorado and Hawks vs, St. Louis, I find eastern series game were not really exciting.

    Just paused for a while to analyse our D and Kings would have killed us in 4 games. Not only Kings, but also Hawks too.

    • Captain Karl

      You could probably add a few more teams in there too. We will be better next year though.

  • Captain Karl

    How about
    To Columbus
    Spezza, Cowen and Prince
    To Ottawa
    Jenner, Tyutin and 2015 1st

    • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

      I’d want more coming back FOR SURE! would love Tyutin and Jenner though

    • ChampIsHere

      Columbus won’t be calling about Spezza

  • Perry

    To PHX
    Spezza

    To OTT
    Samuelson, Gormley, 12th Overall Pick

    I think we might need to send over another piece – player or pick, but I think PHX would really want Spezza and would be willing to pay a lot for him

    • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

      One of my preferred Spezz destinations but I don’t think Phoenix is moving Gormley. My trade is.

      Spezza: + add any 1 of Greening, Gryba, Condra, for

      Vermette!! Samuelsson, and Michael Stone

    • Jakester

      Samuelsson and the pick OK , something about Gormley though, he doesn’t seem to be improving.

  • jimmyjohnson

    Murray should just wait until after July 1 to trade him, once all the other players have settled on a destination. We know Kesler will be an issue with Anaheim, so let that settle. Apparently Stastny will be an issue with every suiter, so let him sign wherever. Thornton probably won’t be traded. And whatever other centres are on the market (Kadri, Marleau, Richards, etc) will likely have moved at the draft. Whoever is left without a centre will have no choice but to pay up for Spezza.

    • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

      Fully agree man! although take all the calls…. Telling gms he’ll mull the offers over, maybe come with a counter that he knows will be refused, not an insulting one though.

      As for the picks, there are a few projected 1st rounders that are intruiging but I wouldn’t at all be against getting a 1st in 2015 for Spezz. That said Andy could be flipped for a 2014 1st +

    • A-Train

      I agree. But there’s another factor in play with deals. Considering there is possibly some competition for Spezza, teams may want to move fast. And if Murray sees the offer he likes, he’ll take it quick.

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    Why oh why didn’y the Sens grab Justin WIlliams when they had the chance?? TWICE! both times it was no secret he was about to be traded and both time I was HOLLERING for it!
    Hey anyone notice?? Toffoli’s shot hit Moore’s knee. Otherwise the puck was going right in the crest or Lundqvist’s glove. And there I was after the game saying Toffoli planned the shot as a pass to Martinez. As they say in hockey. In playoff overtime no shots a bad shot

    Congrats to the LA Kings, could have thrown in the towel against the Sharks. They really earned the cup and deserve it. Now the real fun begins!

  • Brutus5247

    Forget about Spezza to LA. They play a solid defensive game and Spezz would not fit into their system or the system of most NHL teams where defensive responsibility is a mandate. I say there are few teams who are desperate for goals and would overlook his deficiencies. This being said the return will be nowhere near what everybody thinks we will get. The other GMs know:
    A, Spezza wants out.
    B. Teams wants him out.
    C. Spezza for some reason don’t do defence.
    D. His play doesn’t ooze leadership.
    E. Can’t play with anyone..needs special players.

    This doesn’t pull premium return to Ottawa.

    • jimmyjohnson

      if it smells like a troll post and looks like a troll post…

      • Brutus5247

        No crack pipe for me dude! Just stating the obvious. Just wondering which of the five points isn’t true?

        • bluebuyyoo

          A. Fact: According to BM, Spezza wants out
          B. Not true: Murray says he would like to keep Spezza. No confirmation that the team wants him out
          C. Fact: Spezza is definitely more offensively minded and gifted
          D. Not true: Nothing to support he is not a leader
          E. Not true. Doesn’t need “special” players. Just needs players better than Condra & Greening as wingers.

          Pretty easy for Spezza haters to make up all sorts of reasons stating that he sucks. Providing accurate evidence for those reasons is not so easy.

    • Andrews theory

      Spezza will put up 80 plus points in St Louis and he’s a legit game breaker, you can take that to the bank.

      They don’t have that in their lineup currently and they need it if they have a hope of getting past the power house teams out west

      • Brutus5247

        Ya 80 points and -25 and you are further behind than you were before.

  • wild bill

    Spezza doesn’t want to play on a budget team. Guess he had enough of greening.

    • spezzerman

      Anaheim is a budget team. You think he has them on his no trade list?

      • wild bill

        This comes from Brad Mays source. Probably Spezza s agent

        • Sandy

          Spezza’s agent is Bobby Orr.
          I assume Murray has given Orr the green light to try to help in trade destinations.

  • sensmike

    Congrats to LAK…accordingly the 2015 cup will run through LA…again !

    Consider this for the 3 strongest western conference teams on the cusp of winning it all in 2015 ie Anaheim, St Louis and Chicago how can you as their GM allow your competition to pick up JS to give your direct competitor an advantage with him now being 2C lining up behind Getzlaf, Toews or Backles….you can’t unless you want to be held hostage for the Kesler ransom…which will be a heeluva lot higher demand then JS IMO.

    Ask yourself one question as a GM…as good as these 3 teams are…how long can you wait to get over the hump and do you not owe to your core group to show them that you will not allow your closet rival to get the upper hand ?

    So yes I agree with many of you that JS value may not be great for 80% of the teams out there adjusting their roster, however for the above teams plus maybe 1 to 3 others Dallas, Nashville and Phoenix….those GM’s know they need JS to get through the west.
    Respectfully then….

    Ottawa Jason

    To Anaheim

    Etem, DSP,and Nicolas Kerdiles ( U of Wisconsin…C 6’2″ 201 taken 2rd-36 in 2012

    All 6′ plus, 200+ lbs and can skate …remind you of LAK ? ( let them keep their damn draft 1st rounders)

    To St Louis Jason and Gryba

    To Ottawa Shattenkirk, Jaskin and 2014 1st

    or

    Bergland, Jaskin and Rattie for Jason and Prince

    To Chicago

    Jason, Greening

    To Ottawa

    Hjalmarson, Teravainen and 2014 1st

    We need 6′ +, 200+ lbs, speed, youth and or shut down defenceman

    IMO Jason does have value and more importantly he 2C , great power play addition, a game changer, and having the chance to go to 3 great hockey power house…why would he not sign an extension with them ?

    • Sandy

      Vanc will probably want to trade Kesler to the Eastern Conference and not within their division, especially, and not within their conference.

  • spezzerman

    LA sure had no use for a one dimensional player like Gaborik. Spezza would never fit in on a team like that….

    in all liklihood, unless its Anaheim, Spezza is going to lead his new team in points next season. But who needs that, eh?

    • Rafi Bomb

      Gaborik is a much better player defensively than Spezza. He used to play for Jacques Demers in Minnesota and Demers forces players to play responsible defensively. He also played significantly harder than Spezza would have.

      • Jakester

        Jacques Lemaire.

      • Sandy

        Gaborik is also made of glass more so than Spezza. How he made it through those tough games without injury is amazing.
        He also had a great centre in Kopitar.
        Just think, if not for Muckler, the Sens COULD have had Kopitar, Chara & Hossa on the team.. Sigh

  • Andrews theory

    Spezza might be a second line center in Anaheim but he’ll be towing first line minutes in St Louis and he’ll sure as shit be 1PP

    St Louis has a lot of good players, they don’t have a legit top line center iin my opinion which is why they need JS.

    Chicago is not a fit for him

    • CaMo

      Who says Jason wouldn’t welcome being a 2nd line C on a contender? Chicago needs centremen with handzus likely retiring and Sharp getting traded. I hear Nick Leddy is available, combine him with their first rounder and a prospect. I’d take that.

      • Andrews theory

        Cap space is the primary issue in Chicago.

        Only way that deal works is if we take sharpe back who I like but can’t see being what we want

  • aegiszx

    Realistically, what do you think the return would be for Phillips. Maybe he requests at next years trade deadline that he wants one more shot at the Cup?

    • WaitingSince92

      Provided he’s good enough that some team wants him…

    • CaMo

      lol if he has a decent year, we’d be lucky to get a 3rd round pick.

  • FBP

    So this is because of Melnyk? He has to be setting for a sale right? Right?

  • WolfInSheepsClothes

    How I’d fix us….

    To STL: Spezza+Weircioch
    To OTT: Berglund+Shattenkirk+2nd

    To BUF: Cowen+Prince+2nd
    To OTT: Ehrhoff

    To CHI: Greening
    To OTT: 3rd

    Sign:
    Alfredsson
    Grabovski

    Clarke MacArthur ($3.250m) / Kyle Turris ($3.500m) / Bobby Ryan ($5.100m)
    Mikhail Grabovski ($3.000m) / Mika Zibanejad ($0.894m) / Daniel Alfredsson ($5.000m)
    Mike Hoffman ($0.750m) / Patrik Berglund ($3.250m) / Mark Stone ($0.603m)
    Erik Condra ($1.250m) / Zack Smith ($1.888m) / Chris Neil ($1.900m)
    Jean-Gabriel Pageau ($0.613m) /

    Christian Ehrhoff ($4.000m) / Erik Karlsson ($6.500m)
    Marc Methot ($3.000m) / Kevin Shattenkirk ($4.250m)
    Chris Phillips ($2.500m) / Cody Ceci ($0.894m)
    Mark Borowiecki ($0.575m) /

    Craig Anderson ($3.188m)
    Robin Lehner ($2.000m)
    ——

    SALARY CAP: $71,100,000;
    CAP PAYROLL: $57,905,000;
    BONUSES: $1,595,000
    CAP SPACE: $13,195,000

    • WaitingSince92

      Alfie ain’t coming back – get used to the idea.

      The defence looks nicely shored-up though.

    • CaMo

      Trading weircoch – no thanks. He could put up shattenkirk numbers in a few years. I don’t like how everyone’s looking for a quick fix. we’re not going to be a winning team any time soon. the sens need to keep developing their young guys while trading in the old for some young fresh blood. Building around the obvious young talent we currently have – turris, karlsson, lazar, cowen, weircoch, ceci , Stone, lehner and the first round pick/ young guys we get for spez. YOUNG BLOOOD PEOPLE. Forget bringing in crappy former leafs. 4-7 years of solid developement and good drafting and I’ll see you guys in the CTC for the cup finals in 2018-2023

    • not YOUR wingman

      none of those other teams would make those trades

      • WaitingSince92

        same thing with the FAs – they won’t sign here.

  • Rafi Bomb

    The compliance buyout period begins tomorrow and ends June 30th at 5:00 PM. Here is the list of potential buyout candidates:
    Ville Leino (BUF), Chris Kelly (BOS), Adam McQuaid (BOS), Alexander Semin (CAR), Cam Ward (CAR), P.A. Parenteau (COL), R.J. Umberger (CLB), Jordin Tootoo (DET), Erik Cole (DAL), Ed Jovanovski (FLA), Mike Richards (LA), Anton Volchenkov (NJ), Tuomo Ruutu (NJ), Bryce Salvador (NJ), Brad Richards (NYR), Rick Nash (NYR), Rene Bourque (MTL), Martin Havlat (SJ), Brad Stuart (SJ), Adam Burish (SJ), Ryane Malone (TB), David Booth (VAN), Alexandre Burrows (VAN), Brooks Laich (WAS), Ondrej Pavelec (WIN)

    Non CBO buyout candidates:
    David Clarkson (TOR), Vincent Lecavlaier (PHI)

  • Sandy

    So Brad May is saying that Spezza ask the team to spend to make the Sens more competitive. Sound familiar..

    If that is the case Melnyk has to go.

    It depends on what happens with Ryan as to how angry I get over this. If Ryan re-signs, then I’m okay with the Spezza moves. But if Ryan doesn’t sign because of what happens with Spezza and the lack of commitment to winning by the Owner, then I will be one pissed off STH.

    Interesting article by Yost re the Brad May thoughts.

    http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Travis-Yost/So-Why-Exactly-Does-Spezza-Want-Out/134/60606

    • A-Train

      Hey there Chirp, Yost is linking to a tweet of yours apparently backing up this story. Care to elaborate? Is the true reason Spezza wants out a financial one?

      • WaitingSince92

        I think there are a few reasons he wants out and they seem pretty clear.

        Ottawa won’t give him the term OR $ he can get elsewhere. They also won’t give him a chance for the cup. He the fans’ fav. whipping boy and MacLean is trying to get him to play a style he doesn’t like/want to play. Gotta think the way the organization ‘rewarded’ Alfie didn’t sit well with Spezza (or any player) either.

        Lots of reasons.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I don’t think any of this is hard to believe. Alfie wanted a commitment from ownership to do whatever it takes to win. It doesn’t surprise me that Spezza would want the same thing.

      I think most people have felt that all along Spezza wanted out because he doesn’t want to play for a budget team any longer with 3rd and 4th liners on his wing.

      I’m not the least bit shocked that Murray would lie about the reasons Spezza wants to be traded to cover up for Melnyk.

      I know we all love this team people need to stop believing things they hear from Melnyk and Murray. Melnyk is full of shit and it’s Murray’s job to lie to us if it means he’s covering his bosses ass.

      • Sandy

        Murray is lying so that Ryan doesn’t find out the real reason that Spezza is leaving, until he signs on the dotted line that is.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I don’t think there’s a single player in the organization who isn’t aware of Spezza’s situation. I’m sure they all knew the reasons why Alfie left as well.

          They all know we’re a budget team and that Eugene is crazy.

          • jtf927

            lol. eugene is definitely crazy.,

        • Hax

          Yeah cuz Ryan isn’t going to talk to Spezza.

      • zippy

        You have to also consider the possibility that Spezza doesn’t play as good D as the rest of the team, and his commitment to D is inhibited by his lack of foot speed.

        He gets the puck, the rest of the team doesn’t know what to do, because there’s MacLean’s style, then there’s Spezza’s.

        Spezza controls the puck well when setting up a play, He loses the puck…the other team is GONE, and he can’t stop it.

        Compare him to MacArthur or Karlsson, and you see he has lots of offensive power, but limited D, which limits how MacLean can use him.

        So sure Spezza may want the team to spend, but he may not fit in anyway. So they will spend when the time is right, but not with him in the fold.

        As for Alfie….too old for the money he was asking IMO. That said I would have paid him regardless to honour my word. But that’s me. I’m not Melnyk.

      • Andrews theory

        You and me should drink pints

      • Jakester

        How about ownership getting a commitment from 19 to Backcheck, two way street. He’s leaving cuz his game has big holes you could drive an 18 wheeler through.

    • Rafi Bomb

      Spezza needs to worry about adapting his game to the style MacLean wants, playing with more intensity and grit and doing whatever it takes to win before complaining about the organization not buying more players for him to play with.

      It doesn’t make any sense for Melynk to spend to the cap if his current players simply aren’t playing hard enough.

      • Andrews theory

        He played on the top line with Greening and Michalek and we had 2 legit top 4 D. Gimme a break…

      • sprucesens

        i’m all for trading spezza, but don’t want him run out of town like most seem to. If you went to work everyday, and were consistently the hardest working person, and produced the most results, while the person in the office next to you not only doesn’t seem fit to do the job that is asked of them, but in turn brings your work quality level lower, would you not complain to your boss??? Not many cap floor teams make the playoffs, let alone produce any wins. Yet again, 2 top spending teams competing for the cup. Year after year this is the case. The odd time a floor team makes the playoffs, is when they got lots of top young players after selling older expensive assets. If not, the basic rule is, spending = playoffs = better chance of the cup. The only time we made it to the cup, was when we were a top spending team. Coincidence?

        I’m not saying spezza couldn’t adjust his game or whatever, but after years of being the whipping boy, and getting treated to greening on his side, he probably has just had enough. I would.

    • runningbear1974

      I disagree with your conclusion… I think Spezza asking the team to spend money, means that Spezza was blaming the rest of the team for not being good enough… A real leader looks at his own behaviour and what he can do to make things better… Spezza unfortunately is not that kind of leader… If he wanted to, he could “easily” be a much better player…. He just doesn’t think it’s his job…

      • Andrews theory

        Hogwash…

        Sens not spending was part of the reason for Alfie not leaving.

        I don’t have an issue moving on from Spezza for numerous reasons but the fact that Melnyk has 0 interest in bringing back a cup in the foreseeable future is infuriating. What’s worse is that it is the opposite of what he had preached

    • sprucesens

      yup, i fully agree. On one side, you can’t have players telling you how to run your business and spend your money. On the other side, they are your product, and your income, and the entirety of your business investment. So you have to keep them happy. Its a very fine line in these deals. It sounds like it might be a reference to how he saw alfie leave over money, see’s that they have no intention of signing hemsky to a reasonable contract, and just know’s he’ll be the whipping boy for another year, when he is playing with guys like greening and condra on his line. Can’t blame the guy for wanting out. At what point does the NHL step in? If a canadian franchise has trouble selling out and is seeing rapidly declining ticket sales, then see’s that they are bottom feeders in spending, you would think they would see some red flags.

      It would honestly take 1 season of fans picketing to maybe make notice. But organizing something large enough would be a massive endeavor. Especially when we really have no inside knowledge of the hows/whys of the internal budget. All you can do is refuse to spend your money, and write letters as to why you won’t spend your hard earned money.

  • Sandy

    If Spezza would go to Phoenix for Vermette, Henrik Samuelsson and 1st rounder in 2015.
    Ryan-Turris-MacArthur
    Stone-Vermette-Zibby
    Hoffman-Samuelsson-Lazar
    Neil-Smith-Greening/Condra

    • A-Train

      Vermette never really worked out as a second line centre in Ottawa the first time around. Samuelsson looked great at the Mem Cup, but a third line where Hoffman is the “veteran presence” is beyond painful. God I’m depressed.

      • Sandy

        It’s all about Connor McDavid.

        • Jakester

          Sens will make the playoffs with Floaty gone!

      • Sandy

        Vermette ‘appears’ to be a better player than he was in Ottawa by looking at the way he played in Columbus and the good season he had in Phoenix..

    • peetypuck

      How about changing the second line around like this:
      Vermette (LW)-Zibby (C) Stone-(RW)
      Vermette could take any important face-offs.
      I like your trade. Maybe Bryan Murray will read this.

      • Sandy

        Maybe we can e-mail it to him. LOL
        But that’s all contingent on Spezza waiving to go there.. Would probably be a nice place to play with a part-owner from Ottawa he probably knows.

    • Rafi Bomb

      Switch Vermette with Hanzal and you have a deal.

    • zippy

      I would like Vermette back. The announcers on PHX games say he takes a leadership role there. So he’ll be hard to pry out.

      I would do:

      Ryan-Turris-MacArthur
      Stone-Zibby-Hoffman
      Lazar-Vermette-Samuelsson
      Neil-Smith-Greening/Condra

      Zibby likes C. We would effectively have 2 second lines.

    • zippy

      The more I think about it…I think we might need to throw another piece in. Maybe a Condra to give them some of the D that Vermette brings.

      • Jakester

        Condra and Melnyk’s empty beer bottles.

        • zippy

          Yes I know Melnyk kind of needs to show us the money doesn’t he. He keeps SAYING when the time is right….lets hope.

    • Jakester

      Vermette 2nd center?

  • Doc

    Are we there yet?

    • A-Train

      Brutal. I need to find a new hobby for the next two weeks.

      • Doc

        Any suggestions?

        • WaitingSince92

          Tiddlywinks

  • Sandy

    Post-Dispatch reports.

    Rotowire

    Apr 28, 6:16 PM

    Berglund played with a severe shoulder injury during the postseason, Jeremy Rutherford of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports.

    Analysis:

    Berglund was in the press box for the first two games of the series and looked like a shell of himself after pushing for a return for the final four matches, posting a minus-7 rating and going without a point. Given that the shoulder injury is considered relatively severe, look for Berglund to undergo surgery in the offseason.
    =================================================
    Do we want to trade for a guy just undergoing major shoulder surgery? I say no.

    • FistsofNeil25

      No! Shoulder injuries are serious. I wouldn’t touch Berglund now that we know that. If Murray trades for him it will just be like when he traded Heatley for damaged goods like Michalek as Cheechoo.

      Severe shoulder injury? Major surgery? There better not be any interest in Berglund of Murray knows this!

      • ProfessorPower

        This is great news!! no way we go after a guy going into surgery, especially one who isn’t very good when his shoulder is fine.

        • Rafi Bomb

          Also teams are not allowed to trade injured players. So basically Berglund to Ottawa is a no go.

          • Sandy

            I haven’t seen any news that he actually had the surgery. But if the injury was severe, I would assume surgery would indeed be needed.

          • Jakester

            What are you talking about.

          • Rafi Bomb

            There are restrictions around trading players while they are injured. I am not sure what the implications are during the off season, but if Berglund is about to have surgery then the Blues would be restricted from either trading him or buying him out.

          • Jakester

            If Ottawa wants him they have their Doctors check him out that’s it! If they like what they see a trade can be made.

          • Rafi Bomb

            They shouldn’t want him. Berglund is pretty overated around here. He is not a great piece to target in return for Spezza.

          • Jakester

            I was just commenting on your injury comment which was wrong.

    • jtf927

      this is good to know. if indeed the case, i would definitely say no to a trade involving berglund. aim for shatty + 1st round pick. we need the defenseman. we have enough young forwards.

      • sprucesens

        i like trying to get shattenkirk, but it also means we need to move out multiple D to make room. Which i think is the plan regardless.

        • jtf927

          honestly, all this talk about getting a forward in return. let’s get a good dman and solidify our backend. if we have a backlog on the backend, i say it is not the worst thing. we can try to pull of a minor trade or put someone on waivers.

    • Rafi Bomb

      Didn’t want him in the first place, want him even less now. Berglund isn’t good enough to be a primary piece in the return for Spezza.

    • sprucesens

      and its only his rights. He can make signing himself difficult if he wants to, or doesn’t want to play here. If he really didn’t like it, i can see him signing an offer sheet elsewhere, and us sadly accepting it for picks. Obviously a worst case scenario. I still don’t think it’ll be the blues that land him. Unless they offer oshie, shwartz, tarasenko or include multiple 1st round picks, they just can’t put together an enticing enough offer to have us choose them over other places. And offering any of those players most likely ends up a lateral move, with the possibility of it being terrible for them. Maybe if they feel spezza gives them a better shot now, and one of rattie/jaskin can step in and take the place of the traded player. If they want to beat other teams’ rumored offers, it might be something like shattenkirk, berglund, 1st and one of the prospects, for spezza and 1 of our D. Or something like any of the above 3 players and a pick for spezza. So we basically get a young top 6 player, and a pick. It would be close to what we gave for ryan. All 3 offer a better ppg ratio than silfverberg has shown so far, but none have played that many games. So we traded silf and 2 1st rounders. The better value for the above players removes 1 first pick.

      Not saying its a great game plan for st. louis, but if they are high on spezza, and are willing to risk the future a bit, for a shot now, and feel their top 2 prospects could maybe replace what they lose, it COULD be possible. Maybe the 1st is replaced with the rights to berglund. tons of things could happen, but i really think the deal will include a top young player, that has proven to be decent, regardless what team its from.

  • Sandy

    Bruce Garrioch @SunGarrioch · 1h

    Habs announce four-year contract extension for Michel Therrien. #NHL

    • Sensturion

      Louis Leblanc is the definition of a flop. The only reason they drafted him was to appease the fans that wanted a hometown guy.

      • ProfessorPower

        Still a guy who can play on their farm team, if they are ready to make a deal involving prospects they would need to replace an AHL roster spot.

    • Rafi Bomb

      It probably has an impact. The fact that anaheim attained another former first round pick likely means they are gearing up to trade away a few prospects to attain a 2nd line centre. Hopefully it is Etem, DSP and a 1st for Spezza.

  • lbernier

    I missed it dam it! lol

    • lbernier

      I would have said Spezza and Weirchoich to Minny for Grandlund, Spurgeron and 1st

  • bluebuyyoo

    Per Garrioch: Flames Make a Pitch for Spezza
    Jiri Hudler, Mikael Backlund, possibly Dennis Wideman and one of their several second and third-round picks.
    http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/06/14/calgary-flames-make-pitch-for-sens-captain-jason-spezza

    • Rafi Bomb

      Murray should thank Treliving and Burke. It helps set the standard on the type of deal that should be offered.

      However the fact that the Flames are on Spezza’s no trade list, does hurt the impact.

    • Sandy

      Sean Monahan or nothing at all. Go big or go home.

    • Nicholas Rawlins

      Love backlund, watch him here in calgary, think he would really thrive in ottawa.

      • Nicholas Rawlins

        Hurler is also as solid as they come, win win if spez came here I’d get to watch him!

    • CohMa

      The article also says that the St Louis Blues are interested in Kesler so Spezza might be a no go to the Blues

      • Sandy

        Would Vancouver send him to a team in their conference. They may try the West team’s first. Kesler is a more physical player than Spezza, but he doesn’t have the skill of Jason.

    • Jakester

      Hurdler and Backlund were both plus players on that lousy Calgary team last year! They are two of their better players, and Backlund is finally coming into his own. Will be an interesting 2 weeks coming up.

      • zippy

        Hudler is smaller…so I wonder why DET wouldn’t keep him?

        Backlund seems like the kind of player we want. Dennis Wideman I’m not as familiar with.

      • peetypuck

        Players like Hudler and Backlund are nothing remarkable. It doesn’t take a Spezza to get someone like them. That’s just wasting Spezza’s trade value.

    • HarvardYaleAndPrincetonMan

      Boo Boo also said that Calgary is on Spezza’s “I DON’T WANT TO GO THERE” list
      and we know that he has a real source for this sort of stuff

    • Aaron 2.0

      Hard to imagine that Spezza would go to the Flames. But, these sort of rumours can’t hurt his market value. That would be a really, really good return, IMO.

    • A-Train

      I am seeing everything through such a negative lens now. This Garrioch article tells me Murray wants to show us there are better deals out there than the one he’s about to make….if only that wimp Jason would play in good old Canada.

      Best case scenario he’s making the breakup unnecessarily ugly.

  • ProfessorPower

    Whats the deal With Iginla? is Boston for sure resigning him? I know its doubtful he would come to Ottawa regardless, but if we are going after prospects in the spezza trade we might be able to throw out some big money and decent term to a UFA like Iggy. Somehow convince him to come here on a 2 year deal, possibly 3 if you front load the contract.
    a top 9 of this would be promising
    Macarthur-Turris-Ryan
    Etem-Zibanejad-Iginla
    SmithPelly-Lazar-Stone

    • HarvardYaleAndPrincetonMan

      Melnyk “throwing out some big money” you say

      NON SEQUITUR

      If we’re very lucky there’ll be enough “big money” to extend Ryan

      • ProfessorPower

        were not that broke, 56 mil internal budget.

        • Sandy

          Melnyk is broke. His bullshit announcement that he is ‘retiring’ from horse racing, is a cover that he badly needs the money. He had no choice but to sell something. I wish it was his hockey team.

      • wild bill

        If he wants to play on a lossing team. Two elite players leave in two years??? Who is next??? If the barn is empty bettman has to step in and make Melnyk sell the team. It’s Canadian team ,bad pr for the league. Bettman knows we are not stupid fans. Spezza asked management if they were going to spend more money and they said no. So he told them to trade him.

  • sprucesens

    also, patent pending, but, can we just call him…

    Screugene melnyk? Scroogene Melnyk? Thought of it the other day, and felt it necessary to pass on. Seems fitting more than any other name. Has that condescending ring to it don’t you think?

    • A-Train

      I like “Uncle Euge”. Now we just need someone to work on some Ducktails-inspired art.

  • Morgan

    Spezza to the blues for:
    Jaskin, Cole and 2014 first round pick

  • adamie

    To Vancouver
    Spezza
    Wiercioch
    2nd

    To Ottawa
    Edler
    Matthias
    1st

    MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
    Michalek – Zibanejad – Stone
    Hoffman – Matthias – UFA
    Greening – Smith – Condra/Neil

    Edler – Karlsson
    Methot – Ceci
    BoroCop/Phillips – Gryba

    Anderson
    Lehner
    Or
    Lehner
    Anderson

    • adamie

      If we can keep both Michalek and Hemsky, it’d be nice.

      MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
      Michalek – Zibanejad – Hemsky
      Hoffman – Matthias – Stone
      Greening – Smith – Condra/Neil

      Edler – Karlsson
      Methot – Ceci
      BoroCop/Phillips – Gryba

      • Sandy

        Hemsky is gone forget about him.
        Michalek wants to stay, but the money has to be right. You do need some experience in the forward group..

      • peetypuck

        I think an offer of $3 million would be enough to outbid anyone else to keep Michalek.

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    I don’t know if BM personally is ashamed of his trade history as Ottawa’s gm, but he should be. It’s pretty terrible. His best is obviously the Turris trade, no question, 90+% of the rest didn’t really work. But if he plays his cards right here, we are going LOVE the trade

    If I’m Murray even if I get a deal “I can’t refuse” I’ll still play it against other GMs that are seriously interested. It could be argued that Spezza is the cream of the crop of ALL available potential acquisitions (Ufa’s & trade bait players) this offseason. And I’m not just being a homer here. The more articles I come across of why a team should target Spezza the more I think that there should be no way we get hosed in this trade. Quite the opposite, again if Murray does this right most of the negativity coming from Sens fans will be GONE. And with the team on the ice opening night we can all look forward to Playoff hockey again in 2015

    • WaitingSince92

      Are you for real? 90%?!?!? HA!

      Methot trade was a steal – just imagine our blue line without our only good defensive Dman… scary thought.

      Which trades do you include in that 90%? Most of his trades have been small ones. Was trading two picks to move up and take Karlsson “pretty terrible”? Are you pining for Andre Meszaros? Maybe you don’t like Bobby Ryan. Perhaps you miss Brian Elliott or Chris Campoli…

      Really, the Bishop trade is the only significant one he came out on the wrong side of, and no GM is going to get the better of EVERY trade.

      Sometimes I don’t even know why I bother…

    • Sensturion

      Can you list the teams that have made successful trades without paying through the nose for them?
      - Turris trade was great.
      - Methot trade was great.
      - Anderson trade was great.
      - Bishop trade (from STL) was great.
      - Bishop to TB was, at the time, seen as a good trade. We needed to get rid of a goalie and at the time, Bishop was the “worst” of the three.
      - Hemsky experiment, while it lasted, was great.
      - Matt Cullen was great in Ottawa for the 30 or so games he was here.
      - Heatley trade was horrible, but Murray really had no other options.
      - Ryan trade is looking good so far. Despite his wicked start to the season, injuries aside, Silfverberg had a shitty season.

      Yes, some trades haven’t worked out but where the hell are you getting 90% of them? Enough with the pessimism around these parts.

      • CaMo

        He’s also drafted extremely well and made some solid free agent signings. I see Murray as a great GM, he practically built Anaheim’s core as well.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Bishop to TB at the time was not considered good…some people did…but it was horrible.

    • aegiszx

      For all the good trades, yes there were definitely some… questionable ones…
      -Gilbert
      -Konopka ** I liked the guy actually, and he helped ZSmith develop into a solid bottom 6
      -Lundin
      -Filatov
      -Klinkhammer
      -Kassian
      -Sutton

      Leclaire I won’t even… Auld too…

    • HarvardYaleAndPrincetonMan

      just wait until he’s forced to make money saving
      “Gretzky for a bag of junk” trades because of
      Uncle Eugene’s financial situation

      It’s gonna be a LONG 5 to 10 years until
      Ottawa gets a new owner

  • Andrews theory

    Nothing wrong with the Methot trade whatsoever.

    We won the first Bishop trade unquestionably and he was forced to give up on Conacher before he should have. No other GM would have needed to give that player away, his hand was forced.

  • WaitingSince92

    This just in, today in Sens news: nothing to report.

  • Sensturion

    Just watched the reporters spend 10 seconds on Spezza and the opinions are unanimous. They all say Spezza is a shitty player that isn’t worth anything. Although, one of them did say he has the potential to become good at some point in his career.

    • WaitingSince92

      Well if “the reporters” said it…

      • Sensturion

        I like Dave Hodge. He stays unbiased in most sports talk which is good.

        • WaitingSince92

          Do you REALLY believe that Spezza is “a shitty player who isn’t worth anything”? That’ sjust objectively false, even taking into account his obvious shortcomings.

        • peetypuck

          Has Dave Hodge even been east of the Danforth (Rd) in the past twenty years?

          • A-Train

            Not to nitpick but the Danforth is an East/West artery. What you’re looking for is “Has that idiot ever been East of the DVP?”

          • Captain Nitpicker

            Well said Young Padawan

          • peetypuck

            Once the Danforth gets to east Scarborough it starts to go north but yeah, the DVP is just as good.

        • Sandy

          NONE of them are unbiased. Hodge included. They should just call them Leafs Reporters.

    • peetypuck

      We’re supposed to feel “blessed” that they even took the time to mention Spezza’s name in the centre of the hockey universe. Whoo hoo !

    • Sandy

      The reporters hate everything Sens. I’ve yet to hear them say anything positive about them. But then again, they are all from Toronto.
      Stopped watching a long time ago.
      So they said Spezza has the potential to be a good player at some point in his career? Are they actually that stupid or just that bias?

      • peetypuck

        They’re still pissed off that Ottawa got the NHL franchise over Hamilton twenty-something years ago.

    • Billy Bob

      What part did they say that? I just watched a segment and they simply said, you won’t get for Spezza now what you could have gotten 2 years ago.

  • jimmyjohnson

    About a month ago, I said the teams on Spezza’s no trade list include all of the Western Canadian teams. Alongwith them, I listed Buffalo, New Jersey, and Phoenix as slam dunks to be on that list. I think I’m right about that. We just need to figure out those last 3 teams. I’m guessing Florida is one of them. Anyone have any thoughts?

    • Sandy

      I would say Vanc, Cal, Edm, NJ, Buff, NYI, Carolina, Columbus, Nashville, Phoenix.
      He would not have put Mtl or Tor on the list as he knows Murray would never trade him to either of those teams.
      So essentially Spezza has a 12 team no trade list.
      I put Nashville & Phoenix on the list as Spezza wants to win. Neither of those two teams is close.

      • peetypuck

        That still leaves Florida and Winnipeg.

        • Sandy

          I was jump coming on here to put Winnipeg on the list.
          Not sure about Florida. They are not ready to win but once there good young prospects get another year or two under their belt and with Luongo, they could be a playoff team.
          It’s also a nice place to live.
          So Winnipeg definitely goes on the list. I guess Columbus would come off.

          • peetypuck

            I’d still love to see Spezza go to Florida for the #1 draft pick. Let’s cross our fingers that he doesn’t have Fla on his no-trade list.

    • Doc

      It seems as though he doesn’t want to play in Canada, so add all 7 teams.

    • A-Train

      It depends how strategic he and his agent were in compiling the list. If he doesn’t want to play in Canada, maybe he left the Leafs and Habs off the list knowing Murray wouldn’t trade him there — giving himself “extra” choices.

      I’d probably add:
      Columbus, New York Islanders and Minnesota to the no-go list.

      Then again…NYI may become more attractive as they move to the Barclays Centre. And Pheonix is the definition of a low-stress, high-lifestyle destination for an NHL player. So you never know.

      • peetypuck

        Glendale had to lay off a lot of public service employees…police…teachers…maintenance workers, for all the money they laid out for the Coyotes.

        • A-Train

          Sucks for them. And frankly, a disgrace for the city of Glendale. But Shane Doan seems to like life on the ranch just fine. Haven’t heard too many players wanting out of that life.

          • peetypuck

            Not to nitpick but how about Kyle Turris? Blake Wheeler? Beside Doan who has spent his entire career with the Coyotes I don’t recall anyone asking to be traded there.

  • aegiszx

    Honestly, I’d be happy if we got Hudler back… Dude was a BEAST on the Wings, playing 3rd line. Now that hes finally growing into his own, he’s a solid top 6.

    Spezza won’t go to the Flames, but Hudler would be one of the pieces I’d want back for sure.

    • peetypuck

      If I was going to trade with Calgary I’d ask for their next two #1 draft picks…2015 – 2016.

      • Doc

        Point is moot, Calgary is on his list of teams he won’t be traded to.

        • peetypuck

          With Bryan Murray’s draft record I would still try to get the highest draft picks possible for Spezza, especially next years draft.
          This summer would be a good time for Murray to build up the 3rd and 4th lines with solid playoff type players while the kids gain more experience.

          • Doc

            Man, the next two weeks are going to be horribly long.

            I’m being impatient. I know it and I don’t care lol.

          • peetypuck

            Join the club…hahaha

          • HarvardYaleAndPrincetonMan

            I know what SensChirp is getting you for Christmas
            and I’m not going to tell you
            Na Na Na Na

          • Doc

            I just hope it sparkles!

            Teehee!

          • A-Train

            Getting weird in here. Give us some news Murray!

          • Doc

            Wait wait wait…who doesn’t like shiny things?

      • sprucesens

        yeah, i think if i’m trading with calgary, i take this approach too. Can’t see them making the playoffs for a few years, even with spezza. maybe just backlund and 2 1sts? Wouldn’t that be interesting. And a good return any way you spin it

  • IcySurfas

    Something I keep thinking about with a possible Spezza trade is his Cap Hit / Actual Salary. 7 mill on the Cap, vs the actual 4 mill he will get paid. This type of contract might actually scare away Contender teams that are going to be close to the cap. There are 30 teams in the league that wouldnt mind paying Spezza his 4 mill next year for his services, but the 7 mill cap hit will be more attractive to a team that doesnt plan to be near the cap limit. In fact, especially for a team like the Sens, its perfect for getting TO the Cap without actually spending that money.

    A list of 10 teams (no trade) will only keep you out of so many towns. Long story short, I really wonder if a non-contender/minimum cap hit team ends up landing Spezza for not only his services, but his “cap-hit” as well.

    We can all guess what his 10 (no trade) teams are … but that still leaves alot of room for him to land in a market we wouldnt see coming.

    • Sandy

      Phoenix, Nashville, Dallas, Anaheim – they can all afford Spezza’s cap hit.

      • peetypuck

        I could see a trade with Nashville happening. With Weber, Jones and Josi (and Pekka Rinne) all on the team, Nashville will never be able to afford much of an offence unless they move one of their d-men. In two years Jones will probably be asking for $7 million+. That could leave Poile ready to trade Roman Josi for Spezza the #1 centre that Nashville badly needs.

        • sprucesens

          my thoughts exactly. That have tons of depth at D, and you forgot about ellis. I consider jones and weber untouchable. Josi has more value than ellis, but both are excellent players. As the primary piece from them, if its a D, i would assume we target josi. And this was the primary thought to my trade suggested for the contest. Fits perfect, let alone the rumoured intererest, and likely chance that nashville is likely not vetoed.

  • BeJamin

    Anyone else want to jump in a time machine over the next ten days so this months long saga can just be over? So brutal waiting for this deal and wondering how it’s going to affect the future of the team.

    • peetypuck

      Patience my man. Haven’t you ever heard the joke about the old bull and the young bull?

    • sprucesens

      but then we won’t be able to post trades every 15 seconds and criticize each other relentlessly for how we value our own and other players. Isn’t that the main reason we come to this site? And your lovely write ups chirp, lol

  • peetypuck

    I have a blockbuster trade that should get me into a lot of trouble. Since Vancouver has a new GM and coach and they’re going to lose Kesler, Benning might want to change the whole team over.
    I propose that Ottawa sends Spezza, Zibanejad and Cowen to Van. for the Sedin twins. That automatically gives the Sens two #1 lines. Ryan is happy and re-signs right away. Ottawa becomes a beast in the east again. Who knows, if Melnyk apologized, Alfie might come back to play on the Sedins right wing. That leads to a very happy EK65 and he wins the Norris trophy again next year. The fans are ecstatic and it’s a record season for season ticket sales. Melnyk is happy because he sells out the CTC next year and makes a bundle of money. We all laugh at the Laffs as they miss the playoffs again. Life is wonderful in Ottawa.
    Meanwhile, the ‘Nucks get two top centres back and much younger. Getting Spezza removes the competition to trade Kesler and they can get a couple young wingers for him. Plus Cowen. Sounds like a fair trade both ways to me.

    • SensFanInMTL

      Sedins, year after year put up 70-90 points, just like Spezza. But add the fact they’re constantly a no show come play off time and on the verge of becoming aged, no.

      We are rebuilding, re-tooling, re-whatever you call it. Sedins are not and shouldn’t be in our plans period. Oh did I mention they go on vacation come playoff time?

      Sedins = no.

      • peetypuck

        Hockey is a team sport. The Sedins would give us two #1 lines and we still would have Turris, Ryan, MacA, Stone, Lazar, Peumple, Smith and Neil. We could trade Greening, Pageau, Da Costa and other prospects for a couple guys like Steve Ott or Chris Stewart.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          God no….this would be about 62823 steps backwards

          • peetypuck

            You’re right, let’s just trade Spezza for Berglund and Rattie or Palmieri and Sbisa.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            I would take that 100 times out of 100 over the bloody Sedins.

          • peetypuck

            I’m glad you aren’t the Sens GM. But, beside that, I have listed several different trade options today. It’s all in fun, don’t you know?

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Judging by this trade I am ecstatic you aren’t the GM…lets trade our #1 C and Zibanejad(arguably one of our top “prospects”), and highly touted defender who hasn’t panned out yet but is only 23 for two even older players that are almosty as whiney as Crosby and disappear when the games get tough….Lets not even take into consideration that we aren’t close to the playoffs…it is an absolutely horrible return on 3 fairly substantial pieces.

          • peetypuck

            Guess what, I’m not the GM and neither are you. I’m only suggesting trades. With two top lines of MacA, Turris, Ryan and the Sedins plus a RW’er we (almost) automatically become a playoff team. If our defence and goaltending are better we could go two or three rounds next year. With Neil, Smith, Gryba and maybe one more ‘hard’ player they can keep the other teams honest. Marchand and his type would run every time Chris Neil got on the ice.
            Edit: Remember big, bad Brian Boyle?

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Yes….and apparently you don’t….https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wwd0hRbUvLQ

            That is Matt Carkner…what does he have to do with Neil?

          • peetypuck

            Obviously you have forgotten the hit that Neil put on Boyle. Reeeememmmmmber?

          • CaMo

            Your suggestions have been nothing but horrible peetypuck.

          • peetypuck

            One other thing. I just checked Henrik Sedins playoff stats. In the last five years that they made the playoffs he has 54 points in 56 games. Each of the 5 years he averaged a PPG. Thank goodness we don’t have to rely on your stupid bullshit!

          • Jakester

            Wasn’t Spezz our 2C and poor Zibby our 3C. Let’s just move MR Dangle and keep Zibby in the two hole where he should’ve been last year. Let’s pray Spezz finally delivers this team something good to help build a winner! Amen

      • peetypuck

        No-shows?
        Henrik Sedin has 54 points in 56 games. That’s for the last five years in a row that they went to the playoffs. The year he was a supposed no-show he had 22 points in 25 games. That makes him a PPG player in the playoffs.

    • zippy

      The fact they’d be our second line is intriguing.

      • peetypuck

        I think Chris Stewart might make an excellent right winger on their line. They’re good enough that they don’t need anything but some protection from him.

        • zippy

          Yeah I suggested it to my wife…she said “No Way……we want to get younger not older.” Not sure I agree. But imagine if BM had the choice. Would you pull the trigger on 31 year olds?

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            *33(3 months away from 34)

            GREAT pieces to rebuild around…. (sarcasm, in case noone can tell)

          • peetypuck

            We can’t get much younger or they will still be wearing diapers. I wouldn’t worry too much about their age. They will probably be able to play into their 40′s if they choose to.

          • zippy

            Well I wouldn’t want them for #1. But #2 is interesting. Maybe just take the Sedins for Spezza and a forward prospect and keep Zibby. We could use some more veteran presence if they have the personalities.

          • peetypuck

            I don’t think Van would go for that. They would want a 1st and 2nd line centre to replace Sedin and Kesler. I have no feel for how Zibby will turn out. Everybody says he’s going to be great.

        • zippy

          My wife thinks Zibby will be better than either of them. And she doesn’t want to trade him away

    • Rafi Bomb

      Old, soft and expensive. Not a trade that would be of interest to the Sens given the direction this organization is heading in.

      • peetypuck

        I wouldn’t worry about their age. They still have five good years in front of them. Plus leadership in spades.

        • Rafi Bomb

          We are still rebuilding therefore we will pretty much only be targeting players who are younger than 30 and most likely close to 20.

          Also the Sedins “leadership” doesn’t add that much value. They are only slightly better leaders then the majority of established veteran players. They are by no means elite leaders.

          Aside from that, they are soft and are roster is already too soft, especially in our top six. They also have huge contracts and we are operating under a budget. Then we have to part with two primary parts of our young core in Zibanejad and Cowen which will hurt us in the long term.

          Finally that is a terrible return for that package. Spezza, Cowen and Zibanejad could get us a much better return than the Sedin twins.

          • peetypuck

            I might have offered too much for the Sedins. I would rather get top prospects or high draft picks next year or a top young d-man or forward. This was just another possibility but one that could put the team back into the playoffs. You realize that over the last five years the Sedins averaged just under 2 PPG each year during the playoffs? 103 points in 56 games. They had 42 points the year they went to the SC finals.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            You realize they will be 34 when the season starts eh?

            You must not realize that to think that this would be a smart movw(especially considering where our team is)… This move would be a bandaid fix at absolute best and a complete and utter disaster at the worst

          • Rafi Bomb

            They are excellent point producers but they severely lack grit. We are not on overly gritty team and our top six in particular is lacking in that department. The Sedins would be better suited on a very gritty team that needs a bit of an offensive boost.

            I see your strategy of brining in established players that could help us win now, but I am not sure if that is the best option. We could sue your same package and try to acquire Thornton and Marleau but at the end of the day, it is short sighted as we will need younger players to be developed internally over the next few years. If we didn’t have a budget then there is a possibility that we could take that approach but at this point all teams build through the draft. Trading for any players over 30 just doesn’t make sense for the Sens.

          • peetypuck

            For the last few weeks I’ve been reading the whiners complain about missing the playoffs again next year if we go with young prospects or draft picks. That’s what this offer was about. My personal choice is to get the highest draft pick(s) or prospects for Spezza and go for McDavid or the best draft pick next year. If we want to truly contend in the future we need to grab another elite player or two in the draft.

          • Rafi Bomb

            Most fans have their tin hats on. They think the sky is falling and actually believe BS like Karlsson and Ryan are going to ask for trades and that Melnyk is going to sell the team to an owner who will relocate it simply because Spezza is getting traded.

            They are convinced that we aren’t going to get anything for Spezza other than a “b” level prospect, a 3rd liner and a pick. Now that we know what the Flames have offered, we can be assured that there are at least moderately decent offers out there.

            Our best bet to win next year and make the playoffs while being on a budget, is by having an incredibly gritty and tough team that out competes and out works the opposition. Having some young players that play with an edge and have a strong drive to win can do this. Then if by chance we don’t succeed, we are young so there is an excuse for struggling and we can even possibly have a shot at McDavid.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            If you think that people are concerned about Ryan (a lot moreso than Karlsson) leaving only because Spezza is traded(not at all sure how they are directly correlated)… You are looking at things with way too much tunnel vision.

            There are a lot of other reasons that come into play… If Ryan resigns early this year I will be FAR less concerned about the team, if he doesn’t though…. Yikes

          • Rafi Bomb

            Ryan could possibly leave but there have been a number of fans on here who have claimed the fact that Alfie left and that we are trading Spezza that Ryan and Karlsson will now want to jump ship.

            Both Ryan and Karlsson seem to like playing here and likely see the value of being part of a strong young core that emerges as a serious contender.

            Ryan has a lot of variables influencing his decision to stay and if by chance he doesn’t want to sign an extension, then Murray will trade him this off season or during the season.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            If Murray starts shopping Ryan even quietly we will get peanuts for him due to our recent history of players leaving.

            I’m actually really starting to feel for Murray I highly doubt this was how he was hoping to end his career as a GM.

    • WaitingSince92

      Zibby is pretty much untouchable.

    • sprucesens

      and then we jump back to 2011, to start the rebuild all over again. But at least you had fun, like i just did above with the florida/oilers/sens trade

  • ChampIsHere

    Kesler is going to Nashville (per NHL 14)

  • SensFanInMTL

    Hey since everyone was glued onto Berglund, Rattie and Shattenkirk, no one once mentioned Steen. Any light shed on him would be appreciated. Untouchable like Oshie, Pietrangelo and Schwartz?

    • Sensturion

      Flash in the pan. I would pass on him.

    • A-Train

      Not sure he’s “hard” enough for Murray.

    • Sandy

      With the severe shoulder injury, I don’t want Berglund.

  • FBP

    Hey Chirp – are you going to share your prediction?!

  • peetypuck

    Sens fans are just too difficult to please. Two weeks ago I suggested that we trade Spezza for this years #1 pick+ and then go for the McDavid sweepstakes. I got thoroughly chewed out for that. Today I suggest a trade for two 1st line players, the Sedins and I was chewed out for suggesting that.
    Face it, I don’t think Jonathan Toews or Steve Stamkos are for trade at any price. Berglund, Rattie or Palmieri might be considered border line 2nd liners, more likely 3rd liners. That’s hardly acceptable for Jason Spezza in return. If Murray can’t get a 1st line player back then he should either add another piece (a defenceman) or go for high draft picks and/or prospects.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      You got chewed out for suggesting the first overall this year(and I don’t necessarily agree with some of the logic) because Spezza would have to allow a trade there.. And IMHO we wouldn’t get a hell of a lot + if we got the 1st overall all. I understand it isn’t a very deep draft but the top 3 or so are going to be studs.

      • BeJamin

        That’s not logical. Taxes are low in Florida, although Spezza isn’t a big fan of warm weather (reportedly). It is however, the perfect low-pressure market with a young and improving team. I’d be surprised if they’re on his no-go list unless it’s already been confirmed that they are.

      • peetypuck

        I’ve been pushing for Florida’s #1 pick for a while now if Spezza doesn’t have them on his no-trade list. Even if he does Murray should try to convince him to go there. I agree, the top three in this years draft are going to be good.

    • BeJamin

      You get chewed out because most of your posts display a staggering lack of intelligence or basic logical thought. If Vancouver was the move the Sedins along with Kesler who is already been pushed out the door, what do you think that would mean?

      It would mean they were rebuilding. Full stop. A rebuilding team sure as heck wouldn’t be acquiring Spezza. Also, did you not get the memo? It’s already been released that Spezza no longer wants to play in a Canadian market and all the Canadian teams other than Toronto have been confirmed as being on his no-go list.

      Continue to make willy nilly trade proposals if you want. Most of us are tired of talking about it at this point and are happy to wait until we see the conclusion. Frankly, it’s not really worth the effort to give two shits about this team until we have a new owner or he decides to spend. The writing is on the wall at this point. Eugene is fucking the team over. We’re fucked until that changes.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        that post receives a 10.0 score!

      • CaMo

        Somebody has never seen money ball. ;)

      • peetypuck

        No, I hadn’t read that Spezza said he won’t play for any Canadian teams. Just rumours, which don’t mean anything until they’re verified.
        Moving the Sedins and Kesler is not rebuilding, it’s retooling. Changing your whole team is rebuilding. Zibby and Cowen aren’t 18 year olds any more. They have a couple years of NHL experience under their belts. But since Spezza won’t go to Vancouver I guess it’s all moot.

        • Sandy

          Spezza & Cowen to Florida for Gudbranson and the 1st overall in 2014.

          • peetypuck

            Oh, don’t we wish. I don’t think Tallon will give up Gudbranson for Cowen.

          • sprucesens

            i could see that. tough to trade in the east though. I can actually see this more as a PR move, with the 1st overall pick boosting tickets. But imagine, doing this trade, then trading with the oil to get the 3rd instead of the first, so we get one of reinhart or bennet. The cost sounds relatively significant to move up to get ekblad. I could see us landing eberle, 3rd = bennet/reinhart, and oil getting 1st ekblad + Gryba + boro? Some competent D to replace what they have. Basically trading a top line winger for a franchise D, but losing out on another top forward, which they wouldn’t really need anymore. Wouldn’t that be a crazy dream scenario for us. Even if we switch a D with Smith.

            Spezza Cowen for Gudbranson 1st overall

            1st overall Gryba, Smith for 3rd overall, eberle.

            We then select one of reinhart/bennett. While the oil get their new franchise D. That would be a filthy return, and is only available in my dream world, fused by rumors and heresay. Sounds like florida isn’t shopping the pick anymore though.

    • ProfessorPower

      LOL when people say we lose Spezza to get Mcdavid, Spezza is not that important to our teams success. Ottawa is not that bad, were a middle of the pact team as of right now which is the worst spot..losing Spezza doesn’t make us a bottom 5 team. We were 5 points out of a playoff spot, thats 3 more wins. The worst thing is to be a 9th seed team but I dont think we’ll be worse than that next year, maybe not better, but not worse. We have a chance to get some solid prospects back that are NHL ready, our team has a bright future if this trade is done right.

      ps Screw the Sedin sisters

      • peetypuck

        Should I take that as a no to the Sedins?

        • bluebuyyoo

          No! The Sedins make Spezza look like Cam Fucking Neely!

          • Rafi Bomb

            Lol, so true. The Sedin sisters are way too soft.

          • Jakester

            Spezz changes his last name and they can be 3 sisters. All soft and cuddly!

    • Sandy

      Sedins are over 30. Murray wants younger.
      He is now forced to re-gig the team thanks to Spezza demanding a trade.
      I think he wants a team that is youngish that can grow and develop together.

    • sprucesens

      just no to the sedin’s. they aren’t the players they once were. Good luck getting Scroogene to pay them, when he couldn’t afford hemsky and michalek

    • FistsofNeil25

      Too difficult to please? Man your suggested trade was the Sedins for Spezza, Zibanejad and Cowen. We need to trade Spezza for some quality youth, not package him with our own quality youth like Zbad for two 34 year old players that are on the decline. If you watched the Sedins at all this past season you would have seen how much they have slowed down. They never were fast or quick but they’ve lost a step are two and are easy to shut down. That’s just a terrible idea.
      I think most people like the idea of trading Spezza for the 1st overall but most of us know that Florida wouldn’t make that deal.

  • ProfessorPower

    We need Emerson Etem, This kid is gonna be a star. I know its not a win now move but if we could get Etem and DSP + 1st our core would be filthy, we would have Turris Zibby Lazar and Smith all young and progressing down the middle , big scoring wingers in DSP Etem Stone and a more established but still young Ryan. Use the first (hopefully 10ov) to draft a D prospect to add to Karlsson Cowen and Ceci or flip it for a more established top 4 (which I think we need, more of a guy in his late 20′s aka prime defense man years – for you hoes who keep harping on Cowen Karlsson Wiercioch..ect wait 4 years).

    We got Lehner on out back end for many years to come..add guys like Macarthur and Methot and we could have a team that could win a lot of games in the future. I really think trading with the Ducks is the best option, get young BIG prospects who can score and try to built around it.

    • sens_bud

      I would be happy if we only got the players you mentioned. Don’t think we would be able to get the pick on top of them. Maybe a later round pick.

      • ProfessorPower

        The way I think you can negotiate is this,

        Silfverberg (early 2nd rounder) was a guy who just started playin in the NHL but had some success and looked like a good 2nd liner = DSP (early 2nd rounder)

        Noesen a Corey Perry type player with size and grit who was a later first round pick, an American with a lot of potential = Emerson Etem

        Ottawas First = Ottawas first

        Spezza helps the Ducks potentially win a cup
        DSP + Etem helps Ottawa potentially make the playoffs.

        • Rafi Bomb

          If they think the first is too high, they could always give us their first instead.

          Ottawa’s 1st is 10th and Anaheim’s 1st is 24th.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            I really don’t think the first this year will be the sticking point in that trade, it will be giving up both players

          • Mitchell

            No one can say who they pick at 10th will be better who we pick at 24th

        • sprucesens

          yes, we need to stop over valuing other teams prospects. It is similar to how we just throw in puempel into our trades sometimes. He probably has close to similar value to the players some people on here say are untouchable, or would be an outrageous return for spezza. calgary just made an offer of up to 4 decent pieces. And this from a team that is just looking to add him to the core, let alone get over the hump. We will get good players back from whatever team, and people will be surprised. I think lately its been such a tough year for sens fans, that we just assume the worst, and get surprised. Which i suppose is perfectly acceptable/normal. Hold out hope, Murray will get it done.

    • Rafi Bomb

      This. We need to build our team like the Kings; Etem and DSP fit the mould.

    • A-Train

      It’s interesting what some people on here consider “not a win move”, even in the short term. Personally I would be overjoyed with Etem, DSP and the 10th overall. Given Murray’s comments this week I’m expecting much less…or something much less interesting anyway.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        If we got that package I’d jump for joy…. Like you I highly doubt it

        • ProfessorPower

          Maybe think about it like this

          Spezza Silfverberg Noeson 1st for Ryan Etem SmithPelly 1st

          • Jakester

            Steal for Sens fans.

    • Captain Karl

      We won’t get that package with Spezza alone. Throw in Cowen and Prince and ask for a 2015 1st instead of a 2014 1st and we’re talkin.

  • Rafi Bomb

    “Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 1m
    Lots of talk within NHL circles that COL has or will file “club-elected salary arbitration” on Ryan O’Reilly. If so, it will make waves.”

    Maybe Colorado will move ROR

    • A-Train

      Is that what that means? Sounds more like they want to keep him.

      • Rafi Bomb

        I think it means that they aren’t progressing on contract negotiations. Any time an arbitrator is involved is an indication that there is a big gap between both parties.

        • peetypuck

          It could mean that he doesn’t want to play in Colorado but Roy refuses to trade him.

        • BeJamin

          The suggestion has been put out there that they may be doing it to protect themselves from offer sheets (which are disallowed once arbitration is invoked). I’m not 100% if that’s true anymore though. It was true for the previous CBA I’m not certain it is for this one.

          • Millennium

            There is a new window in July (1-5) in which he will be vulnerable to offersheets.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      How much is he asking for… I thought he played well last year and wasn’t that contract done with that intention?!? Prove to us you’re worth it and we’ll pay you

      • A-Train

        It’s probably a matter of them not wanting to open the bank like crazy when they don’t absolutely have to. As in … he is not yet a UFA and the team is exercising its rights under the CBA. Don’t really know enough about it though…

      • Sandy

        They have to qualify him at 6.5M to retain his rights. Even though Colorado has filed for arbitration teams can offer-sheet him from July 1-5. That’s new in the CBA,
        It would cost a lot of picks to do that however.

        • peetypuck

          Too bad Melnyk is such a penny pincher because the Sens have the cap space to offer-sheet ROR. Then the return for Spezza (we could get a top 4 d-man) would leave us in a great situation. I don’t think our draft picks would be that high either.

          • Sandy

            Offer Sheet – Over $6,728,781 To $8,410,976 – Two 1st Round Picks, 2nd, 3rd
            I would assume that O’Reilly would want over 6.7M.
            Calgary’s offer sheet on ROR put his salary way to high.

          • Doc

            He’ll be more than worth it, sooner rather than later.

  • peetypuck

    The 29 other teams know that we have to trade Spezza but there are enough teams interested in him to create a competition. It seems to come down to how badly St Louis and Anaheim want to get an edge to go for the cup next year. Both teams need to strengthen their 2nd lines at centre. So which two centres will they decide gives them the best chance? Spezza, Kesler, Stastny…will Thornton or Marleau agree to be traded?

  • Tony

    I would love to see the Panthers and Sens do the following:

    To Ottawa: Huberdeau + 1st overall pick

    To Panthers: Spezza + rignts to Michalek + rights to Hemsky + conditional y2015 3rd + Kuba (or any other young bottom pairing D)

    Conditional 3rd becomes a second if one of Hemsky or Michalek don’t sign.
    Conditional 3rd becomes a first if both Hemsky and Michalek don’t sign.

    This way both teams would win… Panthers will either get a line combination that has clicked for the Sens -or- they get a really good pick in 2015 if both dont sign. Chances are Michalek and Hemsky will resign as they know they have the chemistry and they’ll all be out of the Canadian spot light… The Sens will get what should amount to two cornerstone players.

    • Andrews theory

      Dale Talon just called, he said puff puff pass

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Cam we send bonk, Chara, and yashin while we are at it?

      • sprucesens

        no i posted the dream trade a day or 2 ago. its WAY below. its a gem
        you’ll know it when you see it. filatov, and so on traded for 1st overall. Thought about including those names as well

    • sprucesens

      how do we trade the panthers kuba. I think he WAS on their team, but didn’t they buy him out? i don’t remember. And there is no reason for us to want him back in any trade, if that’s what you meant. Might as well just leave cowen there to see if he actually improves

    • Captain Karl

      This is what BM would hear one the other end of the phone line “hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha”

    • FistsofNeil25

      So many things wrong with this trade. Florida would never do it. Hemsky and Michalek’s rights are practically worthless. Edmonton owns our 2015 3rd round pick. Kuba hasn’t played for us in years.

  • Gavin Ray

    June 30th
    St. Louis

    Greening + Spezza for Schwartz + Rattie + 1st round 2015