Coach and Players Speak on Locker Clean Out Day

SensChirp April 15, 2014 603
Coach and Players Speak on Locker Clean Out Day

Yesterday was locker clean out day for the Ottawa Senators which as always, provides some interesting insight into exactly what went wrong this season and what needs to happen to make sure next year, this team is ready to return to the NHL playoffs.

One clear pattern throughout the day was support of Head Coach Paul MacLean. This was great to hear from the players, particularly when some media outlets suggest that MacLean may be on the hot seat at the end of this season. To hear from each player that the Coach still has the ear and the respect of the room is a great sign.  It will be interesting to see if Bryan Murray echoes that sentiment during his season ending address.

Paul MacLean also took about 16 minutes of questions from the media and acknowledged that his own performance wasn’t good enough this season. MacLean mentioned that in his third year as Head Coach, he made a conscious decision to change some things and that maybe it didn’t work out as well as he had hoped. In particular, MacLean indicated that he was a little more “demanding” of his players, something we talked about on this site a couple weeks back.

Anyway, it was good to hear MacLean acknowledge his own personal shortcoming and stress that cutting back on stupid penalties and goals against will be a priority from Day 1 next season.

Probably the most “dramatic” interview of the day belonged to the Sens Captain, Jason Spezza. Visibly frustrated throughout, Spezza was awkward at times when addressing questions about his future here in Ottawa. To his credit, he did say “I do” when asked if he wanted to stay in Ottawa next season but really didn’t show much interest when asked (on a couple of occasions) about the possibility of talking contract extension beginning July 1.

You’ll notice this was in direct contrast with the approach taken by both Bobby Ryan and Clarke MacArthur, who suggested they were keen on talking contract as soon as possible.

What happens next with Spezza is going to be very interesting. Spezza is going to have to sit down with Bryan Murray and talk about exactly where they should go from here. I suspect that in Bryan Murray’s season ending media availability, he’ll express an interest in keeping Spezza here beyond next season and downplay the trade speculation. He really doesn’t have a choice at this point and needs to make it clear heading into the summer that he doesn’t “have to” trade his Captain. A GM’s job is a lot more difficult when he “has to” do something.

And a final note from locker clean-out day, was a couple comments made by Ales Hemsky. Set to be a UFA at the end of the season, Hemsky made it clear that he enjoyed his time in Ottawa but will be taking a wait and see approach to free agency. It would actually be pretty shocking to see Hemsky sign a deal with Ottawa before at least exploring other offers.

A reminder that Team President Cyril Leeder will speak to the media today at 1:30 PM, followed by General Manager Bryan Murray. Owner Eugene Melnyk is apparently going to answer some Twitter questions from 3:00 PM-4:00 PM this afternoon.

Should be another interesting day.

All of yesterday’s interviews can be found on SensTV

  • spezzerman

    Mac was probably most demanding on Spezza, which would explain his frustration. He will be a better player for it in the long run, I hope he sticks it out here in Ottawa and finishes what he started.

  • The Apostle

    The thing I took from Spezza’s interview was that he clearly thinks there is a good chance he won’t be back.

    • Miguel

      yes agreed, and to the Spezza detractors, who say how useless he is, of course they will expect a top 3 player, a first overall pick, and a potential top 6, and a top 4 Dman, in return for a one dementional out of shape injured player, in the last year of a contract :-)

      • thirstytraveller

        2nd overall, ATL picked Kovie 1st overall in Spezza’s draft year.
        Management will have to decide whether Turris can handle the stress of being a #1C. If yes, can ZBad handle being a #2C. The return for Spezza would be interesting. Sometimes it seems in Canadian Markets there is a tendancy to overvalue prospects and players. Wonder if that can happen here.

      • Jakester

        No, realistically a good young player (who can play top 6) and a pick. Time to move on and stop crying, SENS will be better in the long run. Beginning of the year , I was saying SENS Should trade Spezza Plus, for Hemsky and Gagne and I took all sorts of abuse. Now that we’ve seen Hemsky play I feel redemption, not to mention that Gagne after having recovered from getting his face destroyed was one of the better players in the second half of the year! Who knows maybe Sens and Edmonton will still deal! I think whichever of the big western teams who meets their demise in the first round will look at Spezza has a second line center option. Anaheim,LA,Chicago, or ST.Louis. Anyhow will be an interesting summer, really think the Sens , if the right moves are made and the right young guys are allowed to play next year will be one hell of a dynamic team!

      • Skeleton

        Actually, I would be happy with a semi two-way forward and a 1st round selection. Let’s say one of Schwartz, Cogliano, Vermette, Berglund or Simmonds.

        Addition by subtraction.

  • whammer44

    Personally I think MacLean has earned the right to coach this team next season. That said I don’t think the players saying they support the coach really means much. I mean he still is their boss and it wouldn’t make much sense to say anything else and create possible problems.

    • Andrews theory

      Agreed.

      Ultimately I think a guy like Turris is buying what he’s selling while other guys are just nodding their heads

      • whammer44

        For sure guys like Turris are more in. Look at where he was a couple of years ago being coached by Tippet. Spezza on the other hand…listening to him as the year wound down, he’s not the same guy. Giggles is gone. His body language imo reflects that he is not happy. Maybe its the weight of leadership, maybe he and Pmac were at odds and maybe its frustration of a disappointing season. Whatever it is, it will come down to a simple convo with BM…are you in or are you out?

        • Harv

          Agree with the GM/Captain conversation comment. I would like to see Spezza stay with Hemsky coming back.

        • runningbear1974

          When the coach and players mention that we need to play a 200ft game… Who are they talking about? Name all the players on this team that playing 200ft is a concern for? I can only think of 1 player… Every single player on the team is committed to playing a full 200ft game, only 1 player gets accused of not doing so…
          His whole career no coach was allowed to be ‘demanding’ of playing a 200ft game… This year, the coach after winning the Jack Adams, and with the pressure of the new captaincy, the coach decided to use this opportunity to turn this 1 player into a 200ft player…
          I’m sorry, i really can only think of 1 player… Anyone think of a second player that playing defense is a concern about?
          I don’t think the problem is “leadership”… No one is saying be more of a leader, at least not the coaches… But, there is pressure to be better defensively, every one always mention that, over and over again….

          • Colin

            Sorry. No idea who you are talking about. Why don’t you say who you mean?

      • runningbear1974

        Turris seems sincerely grateful to be on the team… He has proven a willingness to work out in the summer time to become a better player the following year… Those should be the only guys on the team…

  • Andrews theory

    I think the Sens need to bite the bullet and pay a bit of a premium on Hemsky to retain him. Chances of finding a free agent with his skill set or developing one internally will likely be very difficult and I’m confident that if Spezza leaves he’d make an excellent veteran presence on Zibanejads line or Turris.

    Mac needs to go back to basics next year and simplify, Murray needs to address the blue line.

    These 3 things happen, we are back in the playoffs next spring.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I feel for Spezza… I want him to resign but if his heart isn’t into it then trade him for as much as you can get and move on. It’s up to Spezza.

  • SensChirp

    “MacLean’s future could be addressed as early as Tuesday when GM Bryan
    Murray meets with the media. MacLean’s three-year extension kicks in
    July 1.”

    http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/04/14/macleans-changes-didnt-work-on-ottawa-senators?token=36eb10e18d048e0fe92316e0b61fadd8

  • Harv

    A great site for Sens discussion and information. As a new guy to your site, Chirp, want to thank you for all your work. There seems to be a better picture emerging though as we wind down from the season and move into the playoffs.

    McLean dug in his heels to drive change and clearly the changes he wanted crashed into Spezza’s playing style. Plus, Spezza was putting up with replacing Alfie and many of us calling for his head. Easy to see why he may have had enough. Looks like the Sens need a reset over the summer.

    The owner, the GM and the coach need to get on the same page. They then need to convince Spezza that he is not easily replaced. Get him Hemsky for a winger and give him a back checker on the other wing. Stop expecting Spezza to be something he either cannot or does not want to be. Live with his creativity. He knows his game – live with it.

    Sign Ryan and give him to Spezza if that works or give Spezza, Stone. Spezza keeps the C. No questions asked. Man, that gives you a third line of Z’Bad, Hoffman and Condra. Smith gets the 4th line with Neil and Greening (maybe he will come around) but McLean has to give these guys fourth line minutes and stop treating them like they are great.

    Karlson and Methot; Ceci and Phillips (because, apparently Phillips is teaching Ceci – let’s hope not to be a stay at home defenceman); Weircoch and Gryba (yes, we give them a year to develop).

    Guys: The Sens are close and just need some time to develop.

    • xN1Cx

      Couldn’t have said it better myself. I really hope this is exactly what happens. This is the end of the rebuild and as others have mentioned if we lose Spezza we lose other pieces, and we go through another culture shock.

      This team can compete with any team. Given time to perform to expectations next season will show just that. The entire organization just needs to tighten their freaking boot straps. Already getting weary from all the knee jerk!

      Go Sens Go! Let this team win – they will.

  • Doc

    Wow, I heard Spezza’s comments yesterday, but only watched the video this morning.

    His body language says it all. I seriously believe he thinks that there’s a big chance he won’t be back next season. That video is pretty telling.

    • The Apostle

      If you look at Spezza’s eyes when he’s talking about coming back and his “i have 1 year more on my contract”. Tells me he wants out.

      • Doc

        Yep. His non-verbal is pretty telling.

      • Frank

        You expect the “I’m the Captain of this team. Of course I want to stay and lead this team to a Stanley Cup!” Instead you get “I do”

        Sad…

  • Frank

    Remember Bowman/Yzerman? Imagine if the Wings had traded Stevie Y? All I know is if they trade Spezza, they better get A LOT back or it could set the franchise back 3-4 years. I’ll say it again, this summer scares the crap out of me!

    • karlssens

      Frank, if it’s a top 2 D man that can eat up 25 minutes a night, that launches us forward not sets us back..

      • Frank

        I agree. That’s why I say we need to get a lot for him. However, I don’t see a team trading a stud D-man for an aging, injury-prone player who just had one of his worst statistical seasons

        • karlssens

          We would be getting a similar D man back, around the same age more or less. Spezza still got 65 points this year, not a bad year for someone who has a bad back.

          • Brutus5247

            PMAC wants 200ft players. Spezza has been for 1/4 of the season when the team played OK. Does Hempsky stay, if not ship him out as it sems he is the ONLY guy he can play with.

    • runningbear1974

      The last 2 minutes of the Pittsburgh game… There was a moment where Spezza hustled his ass off to make a great defensive play… He has it in him… Maybe he just lacks the fitness to do it all the time…

      • karlssens

        Spezza has never been one to do intense physical training haha..

        • runningbear1974

          As the players get older, they’ll have to make that choice… I’m hoping Phillips also decides to become a workout addict… That’s what we need of our veterans… You know, set the example for the kids… You know, lead…

          • karlssens

            Yah lol, Phillips has about 3 chins.. Time to do some squats Philly

          • runningbear1974

            Need someone to go jogging with him or something… jogging partners?

          • WaitingSince92

            Wouldn’t want to see Phillips get any bigger through working out. It would just exasperate his already slow condition.

            I heard he does yoga to improve his flexibility/mobility.

      • SensChirp

        So once Spezza is run out of town, who will the Spezza haters turn their attention to? Gotta be Karlsson right?

        • karlssens

          Karlsson is untouchable. The people that rag on him are just idiots.

          • Zelle

            I don’t like to insult people but I wish I could upvote this more than once.

        • Doc

          Hemsky for sure if he re-signs. Phillips is already taking a lot of flak too.

          • runningbear1974

            It’s weird… I actually think Phillips got better throughout the year… He benefited from playing on the powerplay, not as much as would have hoped, but he has… I’m hoping he’s so embarrassed about this year’s play, that he spends the summer working out… If he workouts, he could be a good player with us, because Maclean decided to develop/improve him…

        • runningbear1974

          We are a development team… Individuals are getting better… If they don’t get better, and make the same mistakes over and over again, then that will probably be the guy we complain about…

        • Frank

          The fans better not run EK out of town!

          • runningbear1974

            Maclean went out of his way to say Karlsson had hard time skating backwards which affected his defensive play, but not his offensive play as much… Karlsson is showing to be a competitor…

          • Dirk-Diggler

            That’s Brennan and Garrioch’s job!

        • thepez

          Cowen has already taken the torch as the guy the haters hate the most. Seems they only prey on the talented young ones.
          I really liked what Cowen had to say in his interview yesterday. He talked about being disappointed in his play and he vowed he would work hard to get better. I also like the fact that many of the young guys will be staying in Ottawa to train together.

          • runningbear1974

            Yep, really, it’s about who trains harder… Some people could use some mental training too… Speed, strength, endurance…

          • whammer44

            You do realize that the team has a full fitness program for each of the players and they are tested regularly, including given goals and expectations.

          • runningbear1974

            Sure… I’ve seen different people working out… Some just do it, some do it to maximize it’s benefits… So, for some of our players, I hope they workout even more this summer…

          • whammer44

            So in your opinion the problems with the Sens start with the fact they are not as fit as the other teams? Because in many of your posts you keep repeating the same message

          • runningbear1974

            No… That’s not what i’m saying…

            1) Phillips looks like he needs to do more to get better physically or else he’ll just keep deteriorating with age… Whatever he’s doing is not enough… His whole thing ever has been his body and his skating, he better work extra hard to keep those… I don’t think he has so far, so i think he does have room for improvement…
            2) Spezza seems to have a hard time starting and stopping skating, changing directions quickly… I would pay close attention to how he practices to decide how to deal with him…

          • whammer44

            No I’m pretty sure it is what you said…but either way, Phillips needs more fitness and Spezza needs to practice harder…gotcha

          • runningbear1974

            I’m also saying there are some guys who have proven that they do workout extra hard and you can tell by the improvement of their play…

          • thepez

            The difference this off-season for Cowen and EK65 is that they won’t be re-habbing injuries but will actually train for the season. I expect both of them especially Cowen to be real strong next year

          • runningbear1974

            I agree, same with Spezza, this will be opportunity to just workout and not worry about injuries, that’s huge…

          • Colin

            I hear Jim O’Brien works really really hard. Why is he stuck in Bingo?

          • runningbear1974

            I hear Crosby and Jagr workout harder than everyone on their team…

          • Colin

            What about Jim? He works out so hard, but he is not as good as Crosby or Jagr.

          • runningbear1974

            ok … some people with no skill work hard, some people with skill don’t work hard… some people with no skill don’t work hard, some people with skill do work hard…

        • The Apostle

          Smith

    • runningbear1974

      In the Bowman Yzerman interactions… How do you imagine it went down? Do you think the coach needed to start believing in the player, let him play his game and adapt a strategy appropriately… Or, did the player need to start believing in the coach and adjust his play to help the coach…
      I always assumed it was the player that adapted to the coach…

      • Frank

        Yzerman became one of the best 2-way players in the game. HE began listening to his coach. I wish Stevie Y was the GM here so he could sit with Spezza and use his career as an example of what Spezza could be

        • Skeleton

          People need to stop with the Yzerman/Spezza comparison. One guy had the will to change, the other doesn’t give a damn and expects others to do the handwork for him.

          I’m rather new to internet forums, but do you guys not remember the Pittsburgh game and the James Neal goal where Spezza blamed Greening after the game? That said a lot right there about Spezza, his accountability and expectations of others.

    • Skeleton

      Haha. The exact opposite actually.

      NOT trading Spezza and either giving him his either:
      A) 17th coach in 6 years (exaggeration) or;
      B) signing him to an extension or:
      C) having him walk for nothing as a UFA in July 2015
      is what is going to set this franchise back to the point of maybe never recovering (no exaggeration).

      MacLean is staying so Spezza is gone. Simple as that. Just watch and see and remember that yes, I am adamant, but I am for a reason.

  • karlssens

    Spezza is as good as gone, but I will be forever grateful for his services, and will give him a standing ovation when he comes back to this building.

    We just need to make sure we maximize our return, try to land a top 2 D man or a top 4 d man with an excellent prospect/pick.

    For the better or worse, this is going to be a defining moment for the Senators.

    I have doubts that Turris could ever relate Spezzas production,but I am much more confident with Turris on the ice than Spezza.

  • karlssens

    Just as an example, would you guys not accept a trade of Spezza to LA if it brought back Slava voynov?

    • Frank

      If it also included Toffoli, sure

      • Doc

        That’s asking a lot. Something else would have to go back.

        • Frank

          If we could come up with a package of Spezza and perhaps one of our prospects which could land us Voynov and Toffoli, I think it’s doable. There’s a gluttony of D here too

    • The Apostle

      Yes, but I don’t think Spezza would fit in LA.

      But that’s the quality of player we should consider comes back.

      I imagine people are going to assume we get a lot more back than we did, but Spezza only has a contract for 1 year, he has well documented injury issues and a big slice of the fanbase that knows him best, and should have his back, has been consistently telling anybody who will listen how shit he is.

      • runningbear1974

        He would fit perfect there… They are a defensive team looking for skill…

      • whammer44

        Fortunately when evaluating players teams do not consult with “fans” and rely on professional scouts and personnel for their information…and a consistent scoring forward is exactly what LA is missing.

        • The Apostle

          Obviously the fan comment was tongue in cheek.
          And I agree that LA don’t have a free scoring forward on their team but I question it’s what they are missing. Hasn’t seemed to hurt them so far and I don’t believe Sutter is the sort of guy who would value a floating centreman.

          • runningbear1974

            The other teams around them are getting better… They have pressure to keep up… They are not quite as good as San Jose and Anaheim…

          • whammer44

            Sorry…missed the sarcasm. You may be right, but the west is so competitive and unless LA keeps the opposition off the scoreboard they really don’t have enough scoring to match the Avs, Hawks, Sharks for example. I think someone like Spezza in a team with that much speed and defensive structure would actually fit in well.

          • The Apostle

            I agree that LA need more offence but I think they have a certain identity that Spezza doesn’t really fit. Of course that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t go there and I actually think it would be good for him not to be THE GUY. Spezza would be great as a 2nd centre.

            I think Anaheim would be good partners for us. If we could tease out one of Cogliano or Bonino and maybe a steady type defenceman. Whether Anaheim think they need Spezza is a different question of course.

    • thepez

      In my mind it’s team defense that needs to be better, not necessarily adding more d-men. The d-men with the exception of Philips are all 28 and under. The future I believe is bright. I really think that the forwards were more to blame for the defensive blunders than the d-men were. Trading our best scorer for a d-man would not be an upgrade in my books.

  • Zelle

    I haven’t had the chance to watch all of the interviews but I’ve enjoyed what I’ve seen so far (Coach, Captain, Turris). I’m not sure how I feel about Spezza’s interview. He did say “I do” like you mentioned, but no conviction or enthusiasm. That can also be that he was disappointed / tired though, so I’m going to take it at face value and agree that he is willing to stay. Saying that though, I’m not sure if I’d like a Captain that is looking at other clubs for better options. Not that I would blame him.

    I still believe the core of the group is a good one, one that could be great some day. I’m optimistic that they will be better next season simply because of the resounding theme of less penalties, less turnovers, better defense, throughout the players and the coach. Looks to me like they are on the same page and that’s a good thing.

  • Miguel

    for all those Spezza haters… your wish is about to come true.
    It is abundantly clear that this past year was a very “negative” experience, and very clear that the coach and captain are not at all on the same page moving forward.
    So as a fan that really only cares about the success of the team,
    The choice is between a coach who has won one series, and a captain who has only missed the playoffs only 3 times, and has been to the SCF.
    Do I feel that PM, who proved he can coach a bunch of plugs, with little to no experience, to squeak into the playoffs, upset a middle of the road team, to be completely outclassed in the next round by an elite team, is the best way to go? PM has aslo proven that he does not respect some of the elite better players on this team. Playing 4th liners on the PP and CP4 on the PP, putting Spezza on the 3rd line, benching Methot.
    Spezza will never be an Yzerm… he can be a Kane, but never a Toews.
    PMac, with his stuborness, to favour 3rd and 4th liners and 6 and 7th dmen in favour of treating his elite with respect, has really put this team at odds.
    So from Spezza body language, the two cannot exist, and BM will have to fix this division.
    Do we want a team with all 3 and 4th liners, who may win a round, or do we want an elite team, that has to have elite players in order to win a cup?
    My choice is very easy.

    • Zelle

      Your choice is easy because you wanted him fired before the whole Spezza thing came into question…

      Also how did it come down to Maclean or Spezza? Who says that if they fire Maclean, Spezza will be happy and will want to stay and build the team?

      • The Apostle

        Agreed. I think moving out MacLean is a bigger step backwards in the short and medium term than moving Spezza (if that is the choice we have). Spezza brings us something back in return but a new coach will have new ideas, a new systems to learn (unless we hire Richardson).

    • runningbear1974

      We need a well rounded strategy… Can’t have just 1st liners or just 4th liners…

      Typically a winning team is one where the 4th liners can score goals and the 1st liners can do defense…

      Also, a team of elite skill costs a lot of money… We don’t have that… It also takes a while to develop elite players… So, usually a development team seems in contrast to an elite team…
      My vote is for the next generation of well rounded skilled players…

      Spezza has an opportunity… He can do whatever he wants… He can work out like crazy and become determined to turn this team into a stanley cup team…. Or he can decide he doesn’t like the pressure, doesn’t like how he’s treated and wants to go elsewhere… The ball is in his park, he can decide exactly what he wants…

    • Billy Bob

      Ever heard the quote “Kane will win you a scoring title, but Toews will win you a cup.”? We will not win a cup with Spezza as our captain. Get rid of him now for as much as possible, and go forward with the young guys we have.

      • Colin

        What about getting Spezza his “Toews”? BIG difference between the supporting casts of Chicago and Ottawa.

        • Frank

          Exactly! Toews won 2 Cups WITH Kane

          • runningbear1974

            Toews is a center… Big difference when the winger is slow to come back, and a whole other thing when the center is slow to come back…

      • Miguel

        but in our case ” Spezza will win you a playoff scoring tittle, and CP4 Greening and Condra, may win you one round but not this year!”
        Sorry we aint got no Toews!
        be careful what you wish for, I dont think PM can coach the elite players you need to win a cup… IMO

        • Billy Bob

          Turris is much closer to a Toews than Spezza, sorry to all the Spezza lovers but this is fact. We have a better shot going with Turris and Zibanejad as our 1 and 2.

    • spezzerman

      every post you make is more ridiculous than the last. Its one season, a growth season. RELAX. and you conveniently ignore the successes of MacArthur, Turris, Karlsson etc.
      There is absolutely no reason to believe that Spezza and MAc cant move forward and find success…again.

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      Don’t “hate” Spezza just don’t think you can win a championship the way he plays.
      Tighten things up, allow less goals, score a few less and win!
      TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • senate19

    Every time I think of Spezza being moved, I get knots in my stomach. You just DON’T trade a #1C.
    It has regret written all over it. That said, the blank look on his face said it all. The question caught him off guard, and the “I do” was the best he could do to shut it down. I felt bad for him.

    I also don’t think he really wants to leave, but I think he’s certainly open to it, and he’s extremely frustrated. Probably feels like Alfie felt., and Alfie’s decision is probably influencing him, too.

    He’s coming to terms, I think, with the situation. I don’t want him gone, but like others have said, if his heart’s not in it, you have to pull the trigger.

    • Miguel

      that pretty much sums up the way many are feeling about this situation, well said.

    • Doc

      The last part of your comment is where I’m at.

      I don’t want anyone who truly doesn’t want to be on the team. No matter the reasons.

      This potential trade could also fix a glaring need the team has, which is on D. Won’t replace Spezza skills though, that’s for sure.

      • The Apostle

        Agree with all of this. You can win the Stanley Cup without a freewheelin points scoring centre but you can’t with a defence that is as porous as ours has been this year.

        If we can move Spezza for a quality defenceman or even add one of our younger blueliners to the deal and get back a second player I think it helps the team.

        • Doc

          Yep, let’s stick to the plan. Long term is key.

    • runningbear1974

      An issue i have with Spezza is that it’s hard to tell what he’s really thinking… He seems to say the right thing, but what’s he really thinking…
      He says he wants to be one of the best players in the league, but, is he working out harder than the others? Before and after practice… Is he doing the extra to support the words he’s saying… Unfortunately i can’t tell… To me it seems he’s just saying the words he thinks a leader is supposed to say…

  • SensFanInMTL

    We will never know how it feels to lose it until we lose it. If and when Spezza is shipped out of town and production is evidently missing, you look back to see how this fan base was spoiled to trade Yashin for the 2nd overall pick AND Chara. This will ultimately affect Karlsson moving forward and will determine whether Bobby Ryan resigns, Hemsky staying put or do we lose all of this and drastically tank without even doing so on purpose?

    • SensFanInMTL

      If he’s going to be moved as well, for whatever reason, I can see him being shipped to L.A. where they have a plethora of centremen. We would settle, not pick who, but settle for at most, Mike Richards. Good player but not as productive as Jason. And fuck does he sound pissed in that interview. Media questions are anal as well. What a stupid way for the interview to end.

      “Do you feel you’re under appreciated in this town?”

      “No, I don’t think so.”

      - Abrupt ending -

  • WaitingSince92

    I wish we could dump Neil, Greening and Phillips. Mostly Phillips. He barely, if at all, belongs on the 3rd pair. We have too many guys who can fill that role and are much better skaters (ie younger).

    • Miguel

      YES indeed… but these are PM’s most favoured and trusted players, he favours this over skill, and this is exactly where I disagree with PM, and completely agree with you

  • Miguel

    what strikes me is that PM, really did not do anything to enamour himself to the fans, players, or management. He constantly went against the grain, on many decisions, which ultimately cost the team points.
    I really do not know what the right answer is, however it is a very critical time for management to make the right decision this summer on where this team must go moving forward… whatever that right call may be, it will be a critical summer, dictating the future of this club. Tough times for BM indeed!

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Pm will be back per melnyk

    • Miguel

      therefore Spezza will not.

      • SensFanInMTL

        Melnyk on TSN 1200.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        I refuse to make my decision on how I feel about Spezza moving on until I see what we get back.

        • Miguel

          and what do you think we would get back?

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            I honestly don’t know… Ideally a youngish top 3 forward and top 4 D maybe a pick…. Will we get that, not sure… My confidence level in Murray trading is pretty gone

          • Miguel

            See here is my frustration, so many on here say how useless Spezza is, bad back, one dimensional, one year left on the contract etc ( and no Tcharger I am not saying that you say this but many do ) , and yet we want a young top 3, Seguin type? top 4 D, and a pick. Not at all likely
            From that interview, Spezza is as good as gone, and I really do not think any team would give up what we think we should get… and many on here think he sucks but expect teams to give up a ton. Very contradictory.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Personally I’m a fan of his. But agree with what your saying. I’m also OK with it being Spezza + say Prince who wants out… If it gets what we need

          • Miguel

            yes agreed, In BM we must trust

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            My trust disappeared with the Bishop trade

          • Doc

            Hindsight is always 20/20. It was the only package available in the end. Lehner wasn’t being traded and Anderson had just broke the NHL record for SV%.

          • runningbear1974

            Can we try and get Tavares?

          • Doc

            Try? Yes.

            Get? LOL…no.

          • runningbear1974

            How does one go about starting rumours? Spezza, Phillips, AND Cowen for Tavares…

          • Doc

            Sure!

            We can also add Neil and Greening to sweeten the pot. ;)

          • runningbear1974

            Prince, Dacosta, and Condra… also…

          • Doc

            Quantity (garbage) for Quality, I say!

          • runningbear1974

            right… Except Spezza and Cowen aren’t garbage though…

          • Doc

            It was tongue-in-cheek, hence my Neil/Greening as sweeteners comment.

            Cowen right now has no value, same goes for Phillips. To get Tavares you would need high caliber players going back, like Karlsson, Turris, etc.

          • runningbear1974

            No way to those guys… I’m thinking return the 2 for 1 deal… They got Yashin, we got Spezza and Chara… They get Spezza and Cowen, we get Tavares… woo hoo… I’m just dreaming of course…
            I think Cowen has similar value to what Chara had back then… Might need to throw in either a veteran defenseman like Phillips or a young prospect like Prince…

          • Doc

            Nope, you would need a lot more. Tavares is one of the best centers in the league and is only 23.

            Cowen has no value right now, Spezza has only one year left on his contract and has a history with injury. Not at all the same situation. Phillips adds nothing to that trade.

            I’ll say it again, if you want Tavares, you need to be willing to part with one of our best players.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            You’d be looking at something along the lines of maybe

            Karlsson
            Ryan
            +
            For
            Tavares

          • Pasky

            I would say Karlsson and Tavares are fairly close, so remove the plus and he would prob jump on it.

          • runningbear1974

            ok i know… i’m just dreaming, and hoping they have a bad GM…

          • Doc

            Aren’t we all?

          • runningbear1974

            I saw a rumour about Tavares and i got super excited… If Spezza works out, he could have another 10 years of hockey in him… If he works out..

          • Brutus5247

            Not sure Cowen and Chara had the same value. My guess is Chara wasn’t as injury prone.

          • runningbear1974

            Back then he wasn’t highly esteemed… I believe Cowen has higher expectations then Chara had back then…

          • CohMa

            It’s Garth Snow! We trade him a bag of magic beans for Tavares!

    • Zelle

      Can you keep posting key points for those of us who don’t have video enabled at work? haha

    • Doc

      Good, so we can put this nonsense to rest.

  • SensFanInMTL

    See? This is why we can never have good things.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      I am taking his comments as… We will eventually need to pay our guys who we pay our scouts good money to find… So be patient

      • SensFanInMTL

        The dude doesn’t even reside in the country. Spends all his days in the sun. Just sell the team already. Now Garrioch & Eugene are gonna settle this for a tray of hot dogs.

  • whammer44

    haha…”losing to the Islanders. Whats that all about?”…haha

  • WolfInSheepsClothes

    Step 1 – Extend Ryan/MacArthur
    Step 2 – Re-sign Hemsky
    Step 3 – Get “big fish” left winger to play with Spezza/Hemsky (Vanek, Cammalleri, etc)
    Step 4 – Acquire top 4 d-man (Cowen+ for EHRHOFF…?)
    Step 5 – Make Heritage Sweaters our full-time kit
    Step 6 – Introduce original white Sens sweater as alternate
    Step 7 – Should Alfredsson retire – sign him to 1 day contract, give him proper send-off
    Step 8 – re-focus special teams coaching

    Outcome: Fans forget “budget” issues, forgive Alfie fiasco, assume our best sweaters (new identity), defence solidified, PP/PK fixed, insulated Spezza (“last chance”).

    ?-19-83
    16-7-6
    68-93-61
    14-15-25
    22

    ?-65
    3-46
    4-5
    74

    40
    41

    • SensFanInMTL

      Spezza’s gone at June’s end bud. It’s just too clear at this point. Prove me wrong, kids! Prove me wrong! – Seymour Skinner

      • WolfInSheepsClothes

        There is no guarantee that he is going to be moved.

        1 – He’s under contract
        2 – He has a full NTC
        3 – He needs to be moved for comparable assets or the fan base will leave with him.

        IN ADDITION: If we’re still a “budget team”… Spezza is 7M cap for 4M cash.

        • Doc

          1- One year left, which is why it’s the best time to trade him. 7 mill cap hit, 4 mill actual money.
          2- Yep, decides if and where he gets traded. Doesn’t mean he won’t be.
          3- This I have a hard time believing. Fans didn’t leave after Alfie, they will certainly not leave for Spezza. Anyways, I don’t want to be associated with this type of fans.

          • WolfInSheepsClothes

            It’s the fickle fans that are trying to run him out of town. IF we get nothing in return for him, they will be quick to cut ties.

            Most of the real fans don’t want to be associated with those trying to run him out. I honestly don’t get it. He’s a dominant player when he’s on. Insulate him and there won’t be an issue. Look at what happened when Hemsky came in.

          • Doc

            Agreed, but you are assuming we won’t get anything of value in return. This opinion is based on nothing right now.

            Like I mentioned previously, I don’t want him traded. BUT, if we can trade him for a package that not only helps the team’s current needs, but also makes us a better team in the long term, then the Sens need to review their options.

          • WolfInSheepsClothes

            Of couse, IF we can get a good return, you can move almost anyone.

            “Poor” season. Injury prone. “Wants out”.

            All things playing against us.

            I think, if we’re truly looking to move him, we should wait until closer to the deadline. Give Spezza a chance to play well for a contract/trade. He’ll be motivated to play well which helps us on so many levels.

          • Doc

            That’s a huge risk though. What if he gets injured? What if we can’t trade him and he tests out the FA market, loosing him for nothing?

            The reason that some people might lean torwards trading him this summer, is because he has value and is signed for another year at only 4 millions real money.

            If they get a good package for him before the draft, they need to consider it.

          • runningbear1974

            You’re right that Spezza needs insulation… But, so does Karlsson… And so does Cowen… And so does Phillips… It becomes too much at some point… You can only insulate so many players…

          • Brutus5247

            LAst time I heard you need 5 players on the ice. You’re either good enough or your not. You can’t depend on all the others. You have to do your share.

        • SensFanInMTL

          Does Spezza sound like someone who wants to stick around? Melnyk’s comments couldn’t be anymore apparent. Spezza sounds distraught. There’s only so much promising of staying committed for so long before saying “fuck this.” He’s been loyal for years and we continuously crap on him. It ends here unfortunately.

    • runningbear1974

      That’s a lot of money… We’ll have a short window to win the cup…
      Spezza + Hemsky + “big fish Lw” ==== a lot of money
      ++ a top four d ==== a lot more money…

      It’s just not realistic to build off of this format… Better off getting rid of that whole Spezza line… Getting maybe a top 4 defense, or/and maybe another “good” contract like the Macarthur one…

      Turris first line
      Zibanejad 2nd line
      Smith 3rd line
      Pageau/Dacosta 4th line

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Didn’t give a ringing endorsement for Spezza

  • whammer44

    “Jason understands you can be here today and gone tomorrow”

    • Doc

      Context is key here though. He was talking about pro sports and how you can be here one day and gone the next.

      He also said that you can play your whole career for the same team, etc.

      • whammer44

        Yep for sure. But to lead with that statement when asked about Spezza…says alot

        • Doc

          It wasn’t worded in the best way, I agree.

          • whammer44

            I mean if it wasn’t in question, wouldn’t you expect him to say…Jason is our captain and we plan on building this young team around him and compete for a cup as soon as possible. This is Jason’s team.

            He would have never made that comment about Alfie

          • Doc

            Which is why I sometimes wish that Melnyk would just not talk publicly. He adds nothing but confusion…

      • Miguel

        i like your math better :-)

    • Miguel

      ok I am not math genius,
      however you need not be to come to this conclusion
      Spezza comments body language + “Jason understands you can be here today and gone tomorrow” = Spezza will be aggressively shopped this summer.
      PMac can focus on a top 6 line of Neil Greening and Condra

      • whammer44

        Apparently you are not a genius of any kind with that comment about Neil, Greening and Condra

        • SensFanInMTL

          I think he was just fucking around bud.

          • whammer44

            Oh I got it…just don’t agree with the over exaggeration of Mac being a plugger’s coach

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Seemed like damage control on Tim Murray leaving

    • Doc

      Pretty much. No other choice, really.

  • Homer

    On Spezza’s leadership / keeping him – “It depends on what pieces we need to move going forward…He is just one of 20 players who didn’t get it done…”

    • Homer

      Opinion from Steve Lloyd on “In the Box” – “You have to interpret Melnyk’s response on the Spezza question as that he will not be coming back.”

  • Pasky

    Hey Chirp, Any chance of creating a league for the Bracket Challenge on NHL.com? Might give us readers something to cheer about for the next couple of months.

  • SensChirp

    That was unfuckingbelievable.

    • Miguel

      what did we miss Chirp… that reaction from you has be extremely concerned and curious!

      • Cicero

        Yea, I turned off 1200 after Melnyk. Is it the parade of talking heads now?

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        It’s really just melnyk should as usual shut his trap

        • Doc

          Yep.

        • Miguel

          holy crap, for a successful mutl millionaire, does he not realize that he needs a filter? He needs a PR man to translate his messages. His comments this year have futher hurt this team.

    • my2sens

      What just happened!?

      • SensChirp

        Melnyk spoke

        • my2sens

          Shit.

          What did he say?

          • SensChirp

            Made it sound like a foregone conclusion Spezza would be dealt and said he participated in exit interviews…

          • my2sens

            Oh well. Fuck me.

            Did he participate in his own exit interview!? Because there is going to be a lynch mob to greet him next time he is in Ottawa…

          • whammer44

            Well we are short one experienced Assistant GM…thank god Euge was there to help out!

          • my2sens

            Someone fly Euge over the Bermuda Triangle… please… if someone has a plane, I am willing to sacrifice a monkey for the greater good!

  • Cicero

    People in the media ‘interpreting’ Melnyk’s statements on Spezza is an exercise in confirmation bias. If you expect him to be traded, any non-committal responses could be interpreted as dismissive.

  • SensFanInMTL

    Was that Lloyd or Jakubec? Anyhow, Spezza’s been scrutinized for years now. This time, I feel it’s the end of the line. There’s just so much commitment you can have before just not giving a fuck anymore. ie: see post season interview of Spetz following 2010. Losing Tim Murray also created a bit of trouble too. Not making the playoffs stung. I just feel this is a huge mess for our team moving forward. Too many aspects of anger from the entire staff and players. More importantly, Spezza’s gone now. It’s too clear at this point. Eugene is at fault 100%. You don’t like someone’s contract so you crap on him? Man.

  • Doc

    So…Melnyk part of the exit interviews? Really?!?

    *sigh*…

    • Doc

      This seriously needs to be talked about, more so than the potential Spezza trade.

      Good lord…

      • Miguel

        yes Euge is such a huge distraction, and proving that he adds little value in managing a team.. Owners own!, and yes we all know about the fuking budget, so shut the fuk up and let BM do his job!

        • bluebuyyoo

          Sign the cheques and STFU!

          • Zelle

            first off I flagged your comment by mistake, sorry..

            second, yes why is our owner the only one that seems to be talking so damn much about hockey business?

  • SensFanInMTL

    IWMYB.

    • my2sens

      Bumper Stumpers!!

      I want my yuppie Bieber!?

      • SensFanInMTL

        You guys are harsh muthafuckas man. You will never know what we’ve lost until we lose it!

    • Doc

      I Want More Young Blood?

      Agreed!

      • SensFanInMTL

        I will miss you bud.

        Yup.

        • Doc

          Well, that’s just depressing.

          • SensFanInMTL

            But I will though. So yes, It is quite depressing, cher monsieur.

          • Doc

            Most of us will. You won’t be alone.

            We won’t replace him, and I don’t think that’s the goal. I’m just thinking long term.

          • SensFanInMTL

            I’m just spamming at most right now. Doesn’t mean I wasn’t being serious though! I love Spezza man. It’s gonna be hard to replace his skill and Turris as great as he was this year, is only fitted to be the 2nd line C. With that said, you can’t help but laugh at all of this media scrum. It keeps the sanity level from listening to all of this anger from Spezza, towards Spezza, MacLean fearing for his job, losing Tim Murray to Buffalo, not making the playoffs this year and everything else I had missed.

          • Doc

            Very true. It will only get worse until draft day!

    • Zelle

      Irreplaceable Woman and Man Yoga Buffer.

    • bluebuyyoo

      I Want My Yoyo Back!

      • SensFanInMTL

        I already wrote what the acronym meant! Stop upsetting me now, please!

    • Hax

      I Want My Yashin Back?

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    Looking forward to Bryans interview. Was expected what Melnyk said but it doesnt mean Spezza is gone for sure.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Sure there may be an ever so slightly chance… But that was about as “yeah he is gone” as it could have been

      • Moudy Mahfouz

        Sucks for that I jsut hope the return is a good one considering he is our top player. I would really expect a top 6 players a top 4 dman and a prospect.

        • Hax

          Remember that Spezza is on the last year of his deal and has a NTC. So teams won’t give up much since they could just sign him “for free” next summer. Unless we can work out a sign-and-trade that Spezza agrees to so the team we’re trading him to gets him locked up for longer than one year.

          Of course, any team might just say no to that idea since they’d feel they could extend Spezza themselves after a trade.

          • Moudy Mahfouz

            Good point. July 1st come soon…

      • Jonny

        How can he ne gone, he has a FULL NTC. Meaning the Sens would have to deal with the team of his choosing. Sens are not going to accept garbage for Spezza, would have to be some good pieces comeing back.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Obviously because he wants to be gone.

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    If we can sign Ryan and Macarthur to extensions ASAP. I will forget everything and just smile

    • Hax

      ASAP would be July 1st or later – so don’t hold your breath just yet.

      • Moudy Mahfouz

        Ya but its good too hear they both wanna be here. Sign of relief

        • Hax

          Agreed. Tricky situation if Murray wants to keep Spezza and Hemsky though as he’ll (apparently) need to extend Spezza first (after July 1st) then hope Hemsky hasn’t signed elsewhere already.

          Losing those two plus Michalek leaves a lot of holes to fill.

          • Moudy Mahfouz

            Yes but they could be filled, with the Spezza trade and prospects. I like our prospect pool.

          • Hax

            I like our prospect pool too but none of them are going to play on our top line next year. And we’re not going to get a heck of a lot back for Spezza.

          • Moudy Mahfouz

            Our top line is TMR. They can prove to be one of the best in the NHL. We should get a lot back for spezza though. I will be pissed if we get a shitty deal

          • Hax

            If that lines draws the top checkers every shift they will struggle. Don’t get me wrong, I love those three and that line but asking them to carry the load is a big ask.

            And prepared to be pissed – why would any team sell the farm for Spezza when he’s a UFA next summer?

          • Moudy Mahfouz

            Nope they wont struggle. They are NHLers for a reason. Only time will tell I guess.

          • Hax

            Remember how Turris struggled last year when Spezza was out? Turris himself said that Spezza insulates him.

            I’m not saying they’ll suck but they will have a much tougher time of it. As will Zibanejad’s line if the end up as the second line.

            I know the internet thinks Spezza sucks, but other teams don’t. They put their shutdown line and D against Spezza all night long. You don’t think that gives Turris et al more room?

          • runningbear1974

            No i don’t remember Turris struggling… The only time that line struggled was when Ryan couldn’t skate as hard because of injury… When Spezza got injured is when we started a winning streak…
            I also disagree about Spezza having to face other team’s shutdown line… When Spezza is on the ice the other team send out their most skilled guys because they think that’s the best opportunity for them to score…

          • Jonny

            Where was TMR in the last 15 games of the season when we needed them? SHM carried the team, S&H specifically. Thats why TMR aint rdy to be a top line, they dont do well with pressure.

          • runningbear1974

            For the last 15 games of the year… Spezza was the #1 center… We were having better success when Turris was the #1 center…

            What was Spezza plus/minus in the last 15 games? That would be interesting to see..

            I disagree… Turris is ready now… And, next year he’ll be stronger and even more ready…

          • BeJamin

            Turris had 11 points in his last 15 games. MacArthur had 9 in 15. That’s hardly disappearing. Pretty on par for the productivity most of the year. Much of that without Ryan after he got season ending surgery… – not to mention the last 3-5 games where the team was already eliminated hardly count for anything (which is where those guys ran dry). Spezza was a breakeven +/- player down the stretch but gains additional value because he added lots of PP points which don’t count towards +/- but obviously helps us win games. He was our best forward down the stretch by a healthy margin.

          • Doc

            They already were, had the better quality of competition.

            You’re just talking BS again.

          • Moudy Mahfouz

            But eventually Turris is gonna have to develop in to that player. So why not now? Give him time to adjust. He looked great this year and will look even better next year

          • Hax

            Yes – but next year is too soon to expect him to lead our team to playoff success IMO.

          • Doc

            I disagree. Turris got pushed in that role last season and managed pretty well. This year, he actually got the better quality of competition. So you could honestly say that his line WAS the first line. Zibby is also ready for a bigger role.

            Now, this doesn’t mean I think Spezza sucks and what not, but I do believe that we would be better than most expect us to be if Spezza leaves.

          • Hax

            Absolutely Turris and that line did great when called on but only compared to expectations. Do you really slot Turris in with Getzlaf, Toews, Stamkos et al already? Do you consider him an elite top line center right now?

            Again, I love Turris and think he’s great but if you’re trying to build a team to contend for a cup you don’t slot Turris in at 1C just yet. Maybe in a couple of years.

            So if trading Spezza now translates to aiming for a cup in 2017 then fine. But I’d rather keep Spezza and aim for 2015 or 2016 (and beyond).

          • Doc

            Well, that’s the thing for me. I never considered the Sens contenders, and I still think we are years away from being that. So I’m already ready to wait and let the young guys grow.

            Turris faced better competition this year and almost had as many points, had more goals and was great defensively.

            I also don’t consider Spezza to being in the same category as Stamkos or Toews. He’s elite at what he does, but his all around game is no where close to those guys.

          • Hax

            You could be right. I’m just not ready to put “a run” off much longer but that might be the smart move. Deal Spezza now and continue to build around Turris and Zibanejad in the middle. Smith is a solid 3C IMO or we could have Lazar ready in a couple of years.

          • Doc

            The waiting is the hard part for sure. But when looking at all the previous champions, they had to go through their worst years to come out on top.

            I honestly think our future looks bright, which is why I want management to do the right thing and be patient. Now, this doesn’t mean that we are 5-7 years away from truly being competitive. It can be a lot sooner, but right now the Sens have a lot of holes in their game they need to patch.

  • my2sens

    Spezza needs to stay. Or be traded to Russia because he is going to come back to haunt us.

    • Zelle

      Yeah when people were talking about him going to Toronto.. nooo thank you. They score on the team enough as it is (last game excluded).

  • Zelle

    Yeesh 27% won’t attend next year? Although if the team does well they’ll probably change their minds.

  • Hax

    So now Murray’s presser will be spent putting out the fires Euge just lit?

    Sigh.

    • Doc

      I’m looking forward to Murray’s presser more now since Melnyk spoke.

      Should be entertaining.

      • Moudy Mahfouz

        when is it? I need a nap!

  • SensFanInMTL

    Murray: “I’m happy to report that I have extended Jason to a 5 year $32.5 M and have relieved Mr. Melnyk of his owning duties. I have informed him that he will not own this team moving forward and that he needed to fuck off from hockey and the NHL as a whole. No more questions please. Good day.”

  • my2sens

    See the one thing I was enjoying about this season was the fact that as Mini Chirps enter the world they are becoming Sens fans at the core.

    Then with the Laughs falling from the Heavens, it transferred a many Ottawa citizens who were originally Leafs fans over to our side…

    However, now, with Euge + media + certain fans wanting Spezza to leave, I am scared we are going to lose more than just a player.

    To me you don’t give a guy the ‘C’ and then tell him to pack his bags. You ask him what he wants and make it happen.

    The current roster for the Sens is awesome and we are going places… we just need to plug that one leak on the back end, shore up PP/PK coaching… but then our owner has to ostracize players….

    • runningbear1974

      It’s a decision to be made… Will Spezza adjust his play to complement Maclean, or will Maclean adjust his strategy to insulate Spezza? One of those two things need to happen…

    • Zelle

      What we need to work on is getting our building louder, not being afraid / embarrassed to cheer and making noise. I think that would help bring more fans to the organization. Also it would help if the city backed the Senators. Looking at Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver; they setup huge screens and stands and decorations downtown and close down main streets for big games like season openers and playoffs. Why can’t Ottawa do that?

      • runningbear1974

        That’s a great idea….

      • thirstytraveller

        The city’s you reference have staduims in the downtowns and a lot of ppl live nearby and can congregate easily for gametime. The Palladium was built in Ottawa’s hinterland aka Kanata. Until development surrounds the stadium there is no reason for penny pinching ownership to spend money on decorations/tv around the stadium. maybe in 20 years once the hinterland turns into a subdivision things will happen.

        • Zelle

          A lot of people live downtown and it would be a great way to attract people to the Senators. It doesn’t need to happen close to the stadium. The placement for the stadium is ridiculous, but that’s another discussion. Also that’s why I mention the city being behind the team, perhaps a deal could be made to make this happen, or something like it. It brings people downtown, people who will likely spend money, like Canada Day it’s incredibly lively. Nothing of that magnitude would be needed but I think it would be a win-win for both the organization and the city.

  • my2sens

    I think Rob Ford has had better pressers then Melnyk….

    • sell the team Eugene

      LMAO !

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    and Spezza is trending on twitter once again…

    • SensFanInMTL

      link please. I don’t have twitter and really bored at this moment.

  • Millennium

    As has been the case for a few years now, Melnyk is the biggest problem on this team. We won’t win under him.

  • Brutus5247

    Dumber than FK to say he’s going to be traded. Means your not happy..means they pay less.

  • Conor_smythe

    I’m not worried… I imagine that for somebody as stupid as Melnyk, just staying alive is a daily struggle

    only a matter of time before the guy croaks

    Question: if 29 teams are interested in Jason Spezza, then who is the real idiot: the 29 owners willing to increase spending to get him, or the 1 owner who is not?

    is eugene even a billionaire anymore?

    • Jakester

      You really think 29 teams want Spezza, c’mon! His own country didn’t even invite him to play ball hockey last summer!

  • Greening sucks

    What a joke of an owner and organization, look at how many players lefts this organization the past decade…. Hossa, Chara, Heatley, Alfie, Spezza. I dont blame them at all.

    • BeJamin

      “Left this organization” – Hossa & Chara wanted to stay, they weren’t chosen to be here. Spezza hasn’t left yet. Yes we are a joke, but the number who have left stands at 2. Not higher.

  • esk

    Melnyk is a great owner.his interview was on point…everyone hating on him just wants another scapegoat for this teams performance…. 1) keep coach 2) spend money on the development of players , bigger return on investment 3) don’t overpay forplayers , most of the time they don’t meet expectations and you screw yourself 4)in summary he said spezza can be here for a long time, we need to evaluate fit in order to do discuss extension….getting a lot of heat for spezza comments but its true…is spezza a fit? if eugene doesnt know …pretty sure gm, coach and even spezza feel the same way…like spezza said “time to reflect”

    • runningbear1974

      I agree, i think this is a winning formula… Can’t wait for Lazar and Puemple to join the team… Those 2 should have big impact…

      • SensFanInMTL

        Sup, you called me brotha?

      • SensChirp

        No a winning formula would be for him to shut up, and let the hockey people do their jobs. And provide the resources required.

        • Hax

          Or if he insists on being in front of the media at least say things that don’t put the GM into a corner.

        • esk

          lol it’s his team, he has always been an active owner. It isn’t going to change anytime soon. When the teams winning = everyone is a god…when the teams losing = scapegoats…whether its spezza, coach, phillips, eugene..its the same shit, look for a fault and run with it. Your distaste for Melnyk could easily be for spezza

          • Doc

            Being active and meddling with the hockey operations are two different things.

            He participated in the exit interviews for crying out loud. Wake up.

          • runningbear1974

            He’s part of the gm decisions, just as the gm is part of the coaches decisions…

          • Doc

            That’s not what is being said here. He’s meddling with hockey operations and it’s not his job.

            Again…he was part of the exit interviews. Think about that for a bit.

        • LeafsSux

          Spot on! Look what the douche bag Jerry Jones is doing to the Cowboys! Owners need to sit back and let the people who they pay do their jobs period. Owners are not always sports savoy and it show in a few cases.. If the GM’s don’t do their job then he should step in.. JMHO

        • runningbear1974

          You seem to hate Melnyk, and love Spezza… Not everyone agrees with you…

          I don’t feel like Melnyk is going too far… He’s saying what he believes…

          He does have a winning formula though…

    • Moudy Mahfouz

      AGREE thank you

    • SensChirp

      By the way, first three points are accurate. Those are important decisions for the General Manager to make. Not the Owner. And the 4th just isn’t what he said. But again, yes they should be looking at the possibility of trading Spezza this summer. But no, he should not say a damn thing about that process.

      Mentioned it above but Murray HAS to look like he’s prepared to keep Spezza if a good offer isn’t there. A simple “It was a disappointing year for Spezza and for everyone else” was all he needed to say.

      He participated in exit interviews?! Bah.

      • esk

        He was pointing out the obvious though? pretty sure all the GMS know that the sens are going to explore trade options…he didnt affect spezza’s trade value…

        • SensChirp

          Let’s listen to what Murray says this afternoon.

          • esk

            my guess is he is going to echo the same stuff we’ve been hearing. time to reflect…long-term fit….etc will not put an end to speculation!!

          • SensChirp

            Ottawa desperately trying to avoid another Heatley situation where the player can hand pick his team, and force Murray into a situation where they HAVE to deal him or risk having him around and it becoming a distraction.

      • SensFanInMTL

        So we keep him for one more year and let him walk next year if he chooses to walk?

        • SensChirp

          Nope. But you have to look prepared to do so if the offer isn’t right.

          • SensFanInMTL

            Listen. I don’t know about others here but, I am leaning solely on you to fix this mess. Please help us keep Spezza on this team forever. I’m not joking either.

    • not YOUR wingman

      YEESH – Eugene Pinchpenny is probably the WORST team owner in pro sports

      • esk

        Senators named No. 1 Professional Sports Team in Canada by ESPN the Magazine’s Ultimate Standings…http://senators.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=683696

      • thirstytraveller

        got to admit he isn’t boring! “two foot putt” referring the Islanders, Flames and Oilers as a gimmie putt…love it!

      • esk

        WRONG – The Ottawa Senators have been ranked the top Canadian team in all major professional sports…. eight categories include affordability, “bang for the buck”, coaching, fan relations, ownership, players, stadium experience and title track. – ESPN

        • SensChirp

          Waiiiiiiiiiiiit a minute. Eugene?

        • Pasky

          ESPN doesn’t know shit about hockey though

  • my2sens
  • ZaZa

    In order to be a successful business man or close to it in this world, u have to have the ability to sell bullshit to people and Melnyk is great at selling bullshit.

    He sold us bullshit at the beginning of the season and now he’s selling it at the end of the season. Who’s buying this time?

  • thirstytraveller

    Speaking of the 2001 draft, have a look at the picks. Senators selections are still playing, whist Leaf selections, well arent:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_NHL_Entry_Draft
    good laugh.

    • Zelle

      Crazy that Sharp was 95 overall and a Philly pick first.

      • thirstytraveller

        Then there is, who don cherry called “fat foot” Carlo Coliaccavio being taken soo early.

    • whammer44

      More interesting is how many Russians were picked back then versus now. Not sure what it was at the last draft but I bet you could almost count all the Russians on two hands

      • Zelle

        I blame Putin.

  • Jonny

    Hemsky is waiting to see what Spezza does. Could lose 2 very good point producers. That could very well sting!

    • runningbear1974

      That’s like 12 million dollars… That’s a lot of money…

      • thirstytraveller

        For Eugne.

        • Jonny

          I know but you have to spend to win.

          • SensFanInMTL

            Que ce qu’il se passe Jonny? On peut pas depenser pour gagner. Ca fonctionne pas de meme!

    • SensChirp

      Michalek too

      • Jonny

        TBH I think the Sens will re-sign Michalek cuz he’ll take a paycut to stay here. But without the other 2 MM9 is useless.

        • aegiszx

          Michalek’s 40 something points can be replaced. We dont need him anymore. I’m more than confident in ZIbby, Ryan, and Turris to put up an additional 10-20 points each between the 3 of them.

          • thirstytraveller

            I agree…Ryan never had a chance to play with Hemsky. It would be interesting to see those two link up with Spezza.

    • runningbear1974

      Hemsky-Spezza-Michalek –> That’s 17 million…

      • Jonny

        Yep dump Michalek and promote from within.

  • Skeleton

    With the latest news that Coach MacLean will indeed by back and start his 3 year extension next season, that guarantees that Spezza will not be.

    It does not matter the return on Spezza, he will be gone. Coach MacLean and Spezza will not and can not co-exist.

    Mark my words. Spezza is gone. And if Spezza plays hardball with his NTC, the return won’t be good but it is still 100% addition by subtraction and the Sens will be better.

    • SensChirp

      Dumb.

      But yes, it does appear that he will be gone.

    • Zelle

      I don’t understand why they can’t coexist this season? The last two seasons nothing seemed amiss… Can someone shine light on why the sudden change?

      • LeafsSux

        Spezza is a one way player and that doesn’t fit in his scheme of things I would imagine..

        • BeJamin

          This is probably fairly accurate. Remember P-Mac was used to having Zetter & Datsyuk. Bonafide 200-foot players as his offensive leaders. Spezza really is a 100-foot guy. He’s very mediocre in his own end of the rink. Hemsky helped insulate that problem. Another winger who can skate and play 200-feet for the left side would be the best solution. Looks like that may not be where we are headed though…

    • Miguel

      and another one… yes they cannot co exist.
      but in your infinite wisdom what do you feel we will get for the subtracted one?
      on one side:
      we have a PPG 2nd overall player here for 17 years, and has helped bring this team to the SCF.
      on the other side a Coach who took team mostly of 3 and 4th line players squeaked into the playoffs and win one round, then get their asses handed to them by a real elite team.
      Yet only here do we hold a coach so highly rated over a skilled player.
      This decision will define this team for many years to come.
      I swear if I here any bellyaching about losing 2-1 games, with only 15 shots per game I will lose it!

    • thirstytraveller

      No kidding….we’ll probably get some expensive plug (ie Cheechoo) in return.

    • Jonny

      Yeah by Spezza leaving, we get better… How so? Hemsky wont be back, Michalek probably will. Thats leaves 2 holes to fill on the top line. You do realize those 2 players were our best players down the stretch, kept us in the race while others were no shows.

      Spezza wont go where he doersnt want to and that will handcuff the Sens, Murray wont trade Spezza if the deal isnt right for the Sens, thats why Spezza aint going anywhere.

      • Dadzsun

        This team has shown to play better when Spezza’s not in the lineup; for a few games this year, and most of last year & 1st round of playoffs. Simply put, they play faster, harder, and north/south (!).
        Last year Turris got to see what 1st line duties required. This year he was given two new teammates and frankly dominated 2nd line match-ups. He’s ready for 1st line, as is Z-bad on the second line (Smith on 3rd, Lazar 4th, Pageau as a fill for injuries). They may not pot as many goals w/o Spezza, but they will be a harder (pesky?) team, and arguably more entertaining to watch.
        While I feel my reasoning above is enough to trade Spezza, I haven’t even mentioned his health issues and they fact that he’s in the twilight of his career. Also, he has consistently shown that he does not make other players better around him and in fact needs additional pricey talent to support him (Hemsky). Ironic how Conacher did so well on Tampa’s first line and yet nothing when matched with Spezza. Ditto with Bobby Ryan.

      • Skeleton

        Because Spezza will be traded for a two-way forward (probably center) and we will make a couple other trades that will be quantity for a bit of quality. Add in a free agent signing was well.

        Not sure why I had to say that.

        Jonny, I don’t know you, you don’t know me, want to make a bet on here about Spezza? I bet he gets traded before the start of the year, you say otherwise. $100 to the winner and the loser also changes their username to either SkeletonRules or JonnyRules. What say you?

  • aegiszx

    Any publicity is good publicity right? At least Melnyk keeps things interesting around here…

  • SensFanInMTL

    What time is Murray going to be on?

    • SensChirp

      1:30 PM

      • Hax

        Technically 1:30 is Cy Leeder. Murray after that (so could be 1:35 or 1:55)

    • Miguel

      better question ” what time is the Euge GONE!”

  • BeJamin

    Melnyk drives me nuts. The guy is completely out to lunch, and he’s shameless. I knew he would banter about the “smart money” thing. Called that one from a mile away on twitter earlier this week. The problem is the tool doesn’t have any clue what spending smart actually is.

    Spending Smart = Spending at or close to the Salary Cap on the RIGHT talent

    Spending almost to the salary floor in an effort to do more with less provides less than favorable results to just about everyone… just about every time… there is lots of evidence to back this up. At some point spending is correlated with winning. That doesn’t mean you have to spend recklessly, but it does mean you should keep excellent players such as, say, Team Captain Daniel Alfredsson in the fold. Arguably Gonchar or Benoit as well.

    This team is going nowhere with this bafoon as the owner. I won’t support it. Boycott the team until this prick fucks off and stops messing with hockey operations or sells the team. I’m done caring until the bastard is gone.

    • SensFanInMTL

      You are correct. But it’s just not that simple to simply tell an owner to fuck off without any pressure to sell the team immediately.

    • sell the team Eugene

      16 teams with a larger TOTAL TEAM payrolls are in the playoffs

      Ottawa will be playing the Islanders for the Poverty Bowl for the forseeable future

    • thepez

      Spending smart = players playing to their potential. Spending stupid = guys playing not to their potential, ie. David Clarkson, Dion Phaneuf, etc…
      Benot was never going to play top minutes here. So you would have paid Gonchar 11 million for two years? Was he not on the block at the trade deadline because he was horrible.
      Melnyk may be a jerk but he is right when he says that throwing money at guys just does not work all the time. As much as I want to see Spezza stay here, does anyone really think that giving him an 8 year deal at the age of 32 to be a wise move? Because chances are that’s what he will be looking for since it is in the CBA and this would more trhan likely be his last contract. Let’s see what happens this summer before we all get too out there.

      • BeJamin

        Gonchar makes us a playoff team this year. Benoit has played 20 mins a night in Colorado and played well. He’d probably have got us in himself and he cost less than a million. I’m not saying it had to be Gonchar, but it should have been someone. Ference would have been acceptable too.

      • BeJamin

        Also you’ll note, Gonchar’s team. In the playoffs. He’s no small part of that. You might not think he’s “great” but he’s solid for 20 minutes a night and gets the puck out of his own zone effortlessly with great passes. Still capable of being on a 2nd PP unit and putting up a few points. A lot of his value is also in his experience in being able to teach the younger guys how to play in this league. Helped Karlsson a lot last year. Would have been a big help to Wier and Cowen this year. Instead we have retard Phillips pointing like a madman whilst playing the role of an orange cone. To each his own. Trade Phllips, sign Gonchar & Alfie. Ottawa reaches the playoffs this year. Easily. That’s called smart money.

        • runningbear1974

          I believe he was also teaching Alfie… Too bad he wanted a 2 year contract…

    • runningbear1974

      We want to be a good organization, we’re building it… It wouldn’t make sense to spend close to the cap this year… Or even next year… Maybe the following year…

      We’re developing… It takes time…. And we’re learning which players won’t develop, and get rid of them… It’s a process that takes time… But, for this year to be a success, we have to make the right choices as to who is the core of this team…

  • whammer44

    So if Andrew MacDonald is worth $30mill over 6 years, what is Methot worth?

    • thirstytraveller

      that gets me worried. Not like Gryba or Cowen can replace Methot. not yet at least.

      • Jonny

        Yep watch Methot leave, followed by a trade demand from Karlsson when this team hits its lowest in the next few years.

  • Inquiring Mind

    A question for the Old Timers on the board.

    Can you recall any other owner ever participating in player exit interviews ?

    • boom

      No, I don’t, and my concern is players leaving the room and saying WTF?

    • Miguel

      that is absolutely idiotic!
      I am really questioning his sanity lately.
      If he does not trust his GM to get the crucial info from the players, then he must make a decision about his GM.
      The players are more likely to speak frankly with their GM alone, rather than with the GM and the owner.
      “Yes Sirs, I love everything about the Sens, and thank you for this excellent opportunity!” they will say exactly what these two muppets want them to say!
      He is losing his mind I am afraid, and taking down the Sens with him

    • thepez

      Can’t remember because in the old days, 70′s, 80′s and 90′s there was not the level of coverage as today. There was no twitter, 24 hour sports radio, tv, internet, etc… The only owners I knew that got involved with their team was George Steinbrenner and Harrold Ballard. Those were good times…

      • Miguel

        yup we now have our very own Harold Ballard! how depressing is that!

        • thepez

          I can see the similarities between Harold and Eugene and it starts with the love of the bottle….

    • runningbear1974

      That is weird… But it is 17 million dollars… We are at a crossroads it seems…. Very important decisions to be made…He wanted to see the Yzerman Bowman conversation…
      Has he done that every year?

  • FAB

    “Melnyk has spent the last 12 months lying, contradicting, meddling with
    hockey ops, and seemingly making one bad decision after another……and
    making this organization look foolish in the process”

    • Zelle

      Source?

      • Pasky

        Yost message board on Hockeybuzz lol

        • Zelle

          oh lol

      • FAB

        FAB = From Another Board

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          Ecklund’s dog

  • FAB

    “at least Eugene was sober today”

    • Miguel

      kinda wish we could use the drunk excuse

  • runningbear1974

    I think we could put some thoughts on how to make Smith a successful line… So far he’s had to carry Greening and Neil… What would he need? I think Michalek and Smith could get something going…

    • Pasky

      Michalek would be good but too expensive as a 3 liner

      • runningbear1974

        I think we offer the Macarthur contract… Or a one year deal… Whatever, if he doesn’t want to stay, whatever… We have scouts, scouting good deals, and we have good development…

        • Pasky

          I think we OFFER that, but he’s a 28 year old former 30 goal scorer, injuries withstanding. Considering the options on free agency this year, he gets 5M on the open market guaranteed. Unless he’s really wanting to stay here though.

          • runningbear1974

            Then he can go… Try and find someone that would appreciate the Macarthur deal…

    • Zelle

      Smith is actually good. Definitely made mistakes this season, like all the other players, but he’s effective at winning faceoffs, creating scoring chances, putting pressure on the opposition during their lineup changes, and for the most part clearing the defensive zone.

      • runningbear1974

        I agree… You put Stone and Michalek with Smith and that would be a good line…

      • Aaron 2.0

        I agree with you both. I think Smith is a very effective bottom 6 player. I don’t think he’s perfect defensively (still pretty good though), but he brings more offensive up-side than most bottom 6 guys. I think the line of Greening – Smith – Neil is a defensive nightmare. But, I don’t think that is a result of Smith at all.

  • Hax

    We can hope that two or more teams in the West lose in the first round AND think Spezza is a solution for them. We’d need some sort of arms race/bidding war to get decent return on Spezza. Maybe the Ducks and Sharks will both lose in the first round will be willing to overpay for one year of Spezza. Or St. Louis maybe?

    • Pasky

      I doubt the Sharks because Thorton-Couture is a good 1-2 punch.

      St-Louis to me would be the best bet out West if they go down in the first round again. Team has great depth but lacks that 1 guy that can carry the offensive load. Not to mention they have some cap space so they look like a good trading partner. I do agree with Anaheim too

      • spezzerman

        and their other center led them in scoring…

  • FistsofNeil25

    I feel like it doesn’t even matter anymore what GM, coach, or players we have. Ultimately we’re screwed because of our asshole of an owner. He just loves to insult this fanbase. Does he really think we’re this stupid?

    The worst part is it’s just a matter of time before no one wants to work for him anymore. I feel hopeless as a Sens fan these days.

    • sell the team Eugene

      just watch the exodus of front office talent that joins Tim Murray
      in Buffalo in the next few months

  • Greening sucks

    From St Louis and Anaheim the pieces I would be asking for in return for Spezza is

    Tarensenko or Schwarts as the main pieces from StLouis
    Etem from Anaheim

    • Hax

      I wonder if we could include more to get Shattenkirk somehow?

      • FistsofNeil25

        Spezza + for Shattenkirk or Spezza + for Shatternkirk + Schwartz/Tarasenko?

      • Pasky

        Spezza-Weircioch for Shattenkirk-Tarasenko

        • SensFanInMTL

          no Russians. Especially giving up 2 Canadians for an American & a Russian.

          • Pasky

            So you wouldn’t trade Malkin for Spezza?

          • SensFanInMTL

            Not really. Then again even if I wanted to, you think Pittsburgh would?

          • Pasky

            No but just trying to prove a point, Nationalities don’t make a player better or worse. It’s all about the players attitude.

          • SensFanInMTL

            You’re right. I don’t want Tarasenko just because I keep thinking about Kovalchuk. And Burmistrov. And that country as a whole.

          • Pasky

            Honestly the whole Kovalchuk thing stinks to me. I think he wanted to go back home all this time but wanted to get his 12 million dollar payday first. That’s why Lou front loaded that contract first, so that he can make his money and go back home later. And maybe since Lou knew he would retire, he would get that 1st round draft pick back, which is why he didn’t forfeit the 29th pick the year he went to the finals.

            Speculation on my part but the pieces fit lol

          • SensFanInMTL

            I think if you want to move Spezza, you can get such better pieces other than Tarasenko you had mentioned. Sorry bud, I dislike Russians a lot. But if you are talking to the Blues, what about that Schwartz kid?

          • Pasky

            I didn’t know who Schwartz was but I know Tarasenko, but his stats look good this year. I know he’s a small player though, so I’d prefer a player with size instead of being like Montreal. But if St-Louis is the trading partner, I’m looking at Shattenkirk as the main piece instead of a forward because that back end needs to be improved.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I really can’t see St Louis parting with someone like Schwartz or Shattenkirk for one year of Spezza.

      I think the most realistic offer they would put together for Spezza would be more like Berglund+Rattie+1st/2nd round pick.

      • runningbear1974

        Any deal with Spezza would have his consent, and there would probably be already talk of extension, before the trade is made…

        • FistsofNeil25

          At this point I highly doubt Spezza is going to agree to any kind of contract extensions with any team before actually playing for them. I also don’t think he’s going to pass up the one chance in his career to be a UFA

  • A-Train

    So what did Euge say about Spezza? Sorry y’all. busy day.

    • Homer

      On Spezza’s leadership / keeping him – “It depends on what pieces we
      need going forward…He is just one of 20 players who didn’t get
      it done…”

  • RUSH RLZ

    Sorry to see you are as pissed of as I am today Chirp, but at least your heart + brains are in the right place.

    Melnyk has to go, but he wont. He is killing this organization, we will never win a Cup with him in the picture, the penny pinching bullshit makes me want to punch cinder-blocks AND I am convinced, with his meddling is the cancer in this club, and soon if not already, less and less premiere players would ever want to come to this shit show… I pray we are shocked in a few months to learn the Sens have been sold to someone else.

    • Miguel

      100% with you Rush!
      we need an intervention on the Euge asap!

  • RUSH RLZ

    Murray is awesome. Man-crush.

  • FAB

    ” It’s easier for Spezza to move to another team than to break his 9 years
    of bad defensive habits”

  • FAB

    ” I was braced for the worst but Eugene didn’t sound over refreshed
    and did not mention a casino.”

  • Doc

    Glad to hear Murray talk about Bishop.

    Hopefully this gets put to rest also.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      I personally would have rather lost him for nothing literally than making a trade for Buffalo

      • Doc

        Sorry, but that doesn’t make sense.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Sure it does… We moved bishop essentially so that Buffalo got Conacher. I’d have been happier(marginally) had bishop just been snagged off of waivers. Although I will admit hindsight is 20/20…i was part of the move Anderson and run with both of the young guys camp.

          • Doc

            Fair enough!

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    So did Murray just admit that he wouldn’t have made the deal as he did but he would if it was silfverberg and tenth… Choosing to ignore Noesan

    • Doc

      No, he said there was no way to know it was the tenth pick, but he would still do that trade without hesitation.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        But ignored the third piece we sent

        Would I still do it yeah, I love Ryan been a fan for years

        • Doc

          Irrelevant right now, since he hasn’t played one NHL game.

    • A-Train

      I’m pretty sure he meant he do it again in a heartbeat, even though the pick will be a top 10. But yeah, he left our Noesen.

  • Pasky

    Nice to hear Murray said he already talked to Ryan about an extension.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Overall though I’m liking his interview… Few hiccups I think, but he’s being genuine

  • SensFanInMTL

    Good question on the rookie question!! Get me display pic now!

  • SensFanInMTL

    Answered my question already holy crap Mr. Murray.

  • SensFanInMTL

    Alex Hemsky, lol. Love you Mr. Murray.

  • thepez

    So long Matt Kassian

  • Doc

    FUCK I HATE DON BRENNAN! What a fucking dumb ass seriously.

    Glad Murray put him back in his hole. Always stirring the pot. Bush league ‘journalist’ at best.

    • JRMcPeeWee

      He is a nob.

    • SensFanInMTL

      Ahh that was the dumbass snickering and laughing in the background. He’s such a fuckin idiot.

      • Doc

        And TSN keeps bringing him in to do shows and pre-game shows because of the affiliation with the Sun.

        Horrible, horrible decision on their part.He’s a piece of garbage.

        • Mark

          I’ve never liked him. He comes across as a jerk and his knowledge of hockey is questionable at best.

          • Doc

            Yep.

            His smugness just makes it even worse. ANd he always likes to stir the pot to get more exposure.

  • SensFanInMTL

    In regards with Bobby Ryan. How many of you guys are sold at the fact that he stated he and his wife love it here? I mean, I hope I’m wrong to slightly doubt him but, you think a California girl who’s used to the sun and beaches can not become depressed at the bitter, cold Canadian weather for too long? I just want Ryan to resign long term so that one day, his son, Bobby Ryan Jr. will suit up for Team Canada un jour!

    • spezzerman

      they moved from California to wyoming or something – what does that tell you?

      • SensFanInMTL

        Who’s that?

        • SensFanInMTL

          Oh woops. It’s a state. Sorry.

    • A-Train

      Really sounds like there are going to work hard to get an extension done. I predict an announcement before or possibly during this year’s camp.

    • runningbear1974

      i want to believe, and therefore i do….

    • Phil.

      Not everyone from CA loves it there. She/they may hate the SoCal traffic for example. Maybe she rides horses and wants to live on a farm. Etc…

      • JRMcPeeWee

        Maybe she loves the snow in spring

        • runningbear1974

          yeah the snow is pretty to some people :)

          • http://senators.blog.nepsport.hu/ sittingbull90

            yeah, in december :)) not in april… lol

          • Zelle

            Nothing wrong with the current mini snow storm out the window in mid spring. Snow banks are a great place to hide Easter eggs!

        • Phil.

          That’s the spirit!

    • CohMa

      People can adjust to new environments. Nobody know anything about his fiance. Maybe they see Ottawa as a good place to raise a family. And if she needs some sun, I’m sure they could afford a vacation south.

    • I’m just sayin’

      West Ottawa is a GREAT place to raise a young family

  • A-Train

    What I took from the Murray newser:

    - Spezza will not be extended/re-signed
    - Ryan will be, probably soon.
    - Hemsky likely won’t be back.
    - Maclean has another year to get his act back together
    - Murray has a trade worked out involving some prospects — my guess is a package going to BUF for Chris Stewart.

    • whammer44

      He did say at least twice they need another forward who plays harder…Stewart can possibly fit that role.

      • Phil.

        The knock on Stewart is that is does not play hard every night.

        • Jonny

          I agree, Stewart is not the guy to get.

          • Doc

            Wait, what?

            Stewart scored more points then who??

          • Jonny

            I dont know who? Manny Malhotra maybe? Whats your question?

          • Doc

            He said that the problem with Stewart is that he doesn’t plays hard every night. You replied to him that he still put up more points than anyone in a Sens jersey not named Alfie.

            Never mind the fact that’s totally not the case, I’m not sure what you were trying to get at.

          • Jonny

            I changed that comment, I thought he said Spezza (not Stewart) didnt work hard enough.

          • Doc

            Ah, makes more sense now.

          • whammer44

            Woah, slow down Jonathan. Methot is still here and if they move Spezza, perhaps they get value back…no? Maybe your glass is half full and not half empty.

          • Pasky

            The way Jonny talks around here, I’m not sure he has a glass

          • Colin

            Bazinga!

          • Phil.

            Chris Stewart? His career high is 64 pts in 09-10 with colorado. He’s had 53, 30, 36 and 26 since. Yes, he’s missed lots of game due to injury, but that’s makes a poor offensive player that’s injury prone.

          • Jonny

            I agree with you fool! :)
            Stewart AINT the guy to get.

      • A-Train

        Yeah and he also said “he’d like to tell you something but he can’t” … when he was talking about all the younger players coming up and the lack of space for them. To me that says he has a deal in place with a non-playoff team for a bigger “harder” forward. We know he likes Stewart.

        • whammer44

          Totally possible. Can see that a deal could’ve been hatched at the trade deadline. Prince would likely be one piece.

    • Pasky

      Well if the Buffalo-Ottawa front office feud is true, I doubt they get a deal done.

    • Zelle

      What I would give for Backes…

      • A-Train

        Backes would be nice. Captain for Captain trade? Somehow feels unlikely though. Oshie is another guy the Sens have coveted in the past. I think a lot will depend on how the Blues fair in the playoffs.

        • Doc

          Backes is a beast for sure, but I don’t think St-Louis want to trade him.

          Although for Spezza…

          • Jonny

            Backes is a PoS for going after MacKinnon like he did. He’s a gutless punk.

          • Doc

            I’d take him on my team any day.

          • Pasky

            This

          • Zelle

            Maybe if they get another early exit because of low scoring they could be tempted? I’ll be dreaming…

    • illdistrict

      I don’t even want Chris Stewart.

  • aegiszx

    You know what the scariest thing is about this whole Spezza situation… is how much control he has. Fuck I hate HATE NTC in players contracts…. or rather, I hate it in this day and age when players no longer ‘reward’ their organization… the fact is, we’re not going to get anything remotely good back for No.19, and that sucks.

  • Pasky

    Another thing to take note is that Murray called Stone an NHL player, as long as he puts in some work during the off-season. So if we assume that Murray trades prospects (Prince) for Stewart, our forward group looks something like this:

    MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
    Hoffman-Zibanejad-Stewart
    Greening-Pageau-Stone
    Condra-Smith-Neil

    Not counting what we get for a Spezza trade, or if any prospect take the next leap.

    • Doc

      Yep, also said that in the last few games Pageau looked like an NHL player as well. Explained the Conacher waiver because of Hoffman’s emergence.

      • SensFanInMTL

        I am still not sold on Hoffman locked. As outstanding as he is, he and Da Costa are what we call, AHL’ers for life where they are main event studs and NHL, just can’t seem to muster it up. Man. Look at Pasky’s line up for next year. Do we seriously need to suffer ONE MORE YEAR with Condra & Greening? No fan deserves that. Plus add the fact of how much Murray praised our prospects, that makes Greening & Condra even that much more spendable.

        • Doc

          I would have agreed with you last season, but Hoffman has been great since his callup, and only seem to be getting better the more he got confidence.

          He’s wicked fast and has the hockey IQ to succeed. He’s a keeper in my opinion.

          • SensFanInMTL

            Fair enough. But assuming Spezza is gone, how much will we be moving backwards, if indeed we are? We may as well battle for McDavid at this point. I could be wrong completely. We may excel and make the playoffs! Anyhow, leadership went right out the door when Alfie left town. We could be stuck here for years perhaps. Que ce que tu penses?

          • Doc

            It all depends on the fans expectations. The season where all our star players got injured, our expectations were really low, so the fans didn’t mind letting the young players do their thing and make mistakes, because they knew they were inexperienced and that they were trying.

            I don’t mind going young and loosing more games than normal. I just want the guys to work their ass off every night. Ee’ll see what happens, right now it’s all speculation on our part.

            Hâte de voir ce qui va se passer dans les prochaines semaines!

          • Jonny

            He also misses the net on 90% of his shots. high, high over the net..Kid loves his top shelf! :P

          • Doc

            Which is why I mentioned his confidence. He destroyed the AHL for the better part of the season.

            Once he finds his game at the NHL level, and I think he’s getting there, he will be a very good player for the team. We definitely need speed on the roster.

          • Jonny

            Yep I dont disagree, kid just cant aim, but as long as he’s got wheels, he’s on my team for sure. Big and slow is not the way to go..

          • illdistrict

            I think there will be a battle for PK spot next year. Pageau vs Condra.

            We can’t dress them both.

            Greening will battle for a spot – If 9MM makes third line cash then CG is gone.

        • Zelle

          Condra would actually be good if he buried all of his chances. He had three great opportunities in the last Leafs game alone. He should just practice shooting at the net from different angles at different speeds for hours every day or something…

        • Jakester

          I know going to war with two lines again that can’t do Shit! Your third line has to offensive and dynamic also!

    • Zelle

      Although I find Greening and Condra work hard, I’d rather have one of them gone and replaced with a Bingo guy or guy(s) to try them out next season. Unless Condra improves his shot/aim and Greening improves his defensive zone coverage, anyway.

      • Pasky

        I’ve hated that Greening signing since the day it was announced. Condra I’m OK with, as long as it’s a 4th line role with Neil, and they play 10 minutes a game MAX. If Greening wasn’t around, you can slot Hoffman down on the 3rd line and have Spezza traded for a solid LW scorer.

        MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
        XXXX-Zibanejad-Stewart
        Hoffman-Pageau-Stone
        Condra-Smith-Neil

        As far as Bingo options go, I think Puempel will get a good look next year. Proven goal scorer wherever he has played. But I wouldn’t slot him in there immediately just to avoid risking him not being ready, but as far as a call up goes I think he’s on top of the list.

        • Hax

          I like both players but I agree that one of Condra or Greening are likely gone (or maybe Condra stays as 13th forward?). Decision needs to be made on Greening. Is he still growing and a victim of getting stuck on a grind line or is he a bad signing?

          I love Pageau as well but 3C is asking a lot right now. I think we need to try and get a 3C elsewhere (part of Spezza return or obtained via moving out excess D or something).

          • Pasky

            Well considering Smith is too good to carry those players for a full season, you can always split the 3LC duties between the two

          • Hax

            True. But I’d rather:

            option 1 – get a true 3C and 3rd line that allows us to use Smith as an excellent 4th line center
            option 2 – get a true 4C type player and hope Smith can continue to develop and be a great 3C (with appropriate wingers)

            Not sure Pageau helps either scenario and Lazar is not ready to be 3C either (I don’t think).

            Another option is Smith on the wing as I like him there but that would mean we’d still need another C for the 4th line.

          • Pasky

            I’ll agree to that but I’d aim higher than a 3LC for Spezza in a trade, unless the big piece is on defense and the center is an add on

          • Hax

            Totally – was only saying that the Spezza return might INCLUDE a 3C (i.e. in addition to something else or maybe we even add to Spezza to get a 3C and top 4 D or something). As much as I don’t think we’ll get a ton for Spezza it will be more than just a 3C.

          • Pasky

            Personally, I’d like to see Spezza traded with one of our young Ds for a package including a Top 4D, Top 6-9F, 1st 2015

            If something like that happens then the Spezza trade won’t be as big of a nightmare

          • Hax

            I’ll dance in the streets if we get that much in return for Spezza and one D-man (assuming it’s not Ceci)

          • WaitingSince92

            Doesn’t seem like such an unreasonable haul

          • Pasky

            Realistically, I think Spezza can fetch one of those with a prospect and a 1st but since we don’t need additional prospects we just upgrade, I hope this gets done

          • Hax

            If Spezza had term left on his contract maybe. Or if we get a bidding war between a couple of West teams that get knocked out early. I just don’t see a team giving up a whole lot for Spezza if they feel they can just sign him next summer. Though I guess we gave up a whole lot for Ryan with no guarantees beyond two years – so who knows?

          • Zelle

            If Spezza and Hemsky stay it actually looks quite good:

            1A) Hoffman (back checker, speed to cover EK) – Spezza – Hemsky
            1B) MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
            3) Smith – Zbad – Stone
            4) Neil / Greening(? – grinders) – Pageau (faceoffs, setup guy) – Condra (puck possession)

            Without Spezza we’d need to either take a chance on Bingo guys or see what we get in a trade:

            1) MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
            2) Pageau/Hoffman – Zbad – Stone
            3) Pageau/Hoffman – Smith – Condra
            4) Greening – ? – Neil

          • Pasky

            We’d be in a great position but considering the interviews today, Spezza is as good as gone and Hemsky is at least going past July 1st before signing a contract

          • Zelle

            Yeah I know I’m not hopeful. It’s impossible to envision lineups though without knowing what we’d get in a trade, but I’d have to assume at least one NHL caliber forward and defenseman, or next season will be even tougher. If we get a solid RW and a defense guy I think we’d be in a decent position:

            1) MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
            2) ? – Zbad – Stone
            3) Hoffman – Smith – Condra
            4) ?/Pageau – Pageau/? – Neil

            I’m sure there is a guy in Bingo that could fill a spot on Pageau’s RW, or to fill in center while we wait for Lazar. I’m not a huge Spezza fan, I have many complaints about him, but it’s going to be a while before we have Bingo players ready to be contenders on three lines, IMO.

          • Zelle

            I think that Pageau played RW in Bingo. There could be an option for him playing on Zbad’s line.

          • Pasky

            It happened this season as well for a couple of games but I don’t think Pageau is Top 6 material yet, unless we’re shooting for McDavid next season lol

          • Zelle

            I agree he could use more time on 3rd/4th, but it pains me to see him work so hard but get very little reward.

        • Jonny

          Well, that pretty much looks like a budget line up….
          McDavid anyone?

        • Zelle

          I’d be OK with this. I still have an issue with the Smith line though because Condra is on his off wing and he’s not a grinder like Greening but a puck possession guy. Keep Condra on his wing and switch Neil, since all Neil does is hit, grind, and stand in the crease anyway? I agree the team kind of needs a new RW if Milo is gone.

  • SensChirp

    Man, what a spectacular media session that was with Bryan Murray. A must watch for all Sens fans

    • Cicero

      Chirp, any link to a recording of it for fans like me that missed it??

      • SensChirp

        As soon as it becomes available.

        • Cicero

          Thanks!

    • A-Train

      Totally agree. He actually said things! So rare these days.

    • Pasky

      So after that interview, I’m expecting a blog sometime this week dissecting possible Spezza trades lol

    • thepez

      No sugar coating by Murray. Pretty much has put coach Mac on notice. Sounds like Bobby Ryan will be a Sen for a while and that is exciting

    • Miguel

      for us poor saps that have to work so we can pay to go to games… can we get a link to the conference?
      thanks

  • Cicero

    Time for a new poll.

    har har har har

  • karlssens

    Cue the Spezza for Dustin Brown + trade rumours..

    • karlssens

      Trade away our skilled number one center for a forward who “plays harder”.. Sigh

      • Jonny

        I know right, its the budget man. Get cheap hard working players and hope they pan out into first line players……..in 5 years. Rinse, repeat.

    • spezzerman

      Murray said a guy who sticks up for his teammates. Dustin Brown doesnt do that

      • SensFanInMTL

        LMAO.

        But on the topic of Kings, Mike Richards is far fetched or what? I doubt they are interested in shipping out Carter.

        • whammer44

          Nope. I’ve thrown that one out before. It makes sense to me. To me its almost a straight swap

        • Doc

          Richards’s production has been on the decrease for a while now. Not sure he’s the one they should target,

          • SensFanInMTL

            Yeah I just checked his stats on .com for shits and giggles. Guy played the entire season without missing a single game and managed to put up 0.50 point per game. I only brought Richards’ name because I doubt the Kings would move Kopitar or Carter for Spezza.

          • Doc

            Kopitar….NOW we’re talking.

          • SensFanInMTL

            Yup! So we might just have to settle for Richards because of how unlikely Kopitar & Carter be moved. With that said, we should’ve had Kopitar to begin with. We took Lee instead.

          • Doc

            WE ARE NOT TO SPEAK OF THIS PLAYER’S NAME…

            WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT THAT DRAFT DAY…

          • SensFanInMTL

            I don’t get what you’re talking about. Nobody was drafted 9th in 2005. I think they skipped that pick!

          • Doc

            *nods*

            Exactly.

          • Jonny

            To yourself maybe, the Kings would hang up on us at the mention of that name…

          • Doc

            I didn’t say it was remotely possible, but more along the line that he would be the best piece to target out of all the names mentioned.

            Of course LA won’t trade him, but I’d take him over all the others without hesitation.

          • whammer44

            I’d suggest his production has gone down since playing in LA for Sutter. You can make the argument that Carter’s production has gone down since going to the Kings. Carter was a consistent 30-40, goal scorer in Philly now he’s a 25 goal guy.

            Richards is a tough guy to play against, is only 29, signed for a bunch more years at a manageable salary and imo has an offensive upside that the Kings don’t encourage

          • Doc

            That could very well be! MacLean likes a high tempo game, maybe he could thrive here. Who knows.

          • Jonny

            They probably plan on making him Captain after Brown leaves or gets traded.

          • BeJamin

            Carter scored 26 goals in 48 games last year. In case you weren’t aware or don’t enjoy math, That’s 40 goal pace. He also added 27 in 72 this year. Which is 31 goal pace. This is hardly a “25 goal guy” as you suggest. I wish people would use actual facts when making arguments….

          • Sandy

            Apparently Richard’s has been demoted to the 4th line…
            I just have this feeling of dread if Spezza is traded.
            Pierre McGuire said this morning.. that you would be surprised the amount of teams that would be in on him if he was traded. He was speaking to one GM who was surprised that Spezza would be traded. That GM said, he would take him… He said you will never get the return to replace his points.. He’s right.
            He said also, it would be a big mistake if Spezza is traded..

      • Jonny

        Umm have you see Brown play man, guy would go to war for the Kings and does evey single playoffs. I wouldnt mind Brown as a Sens, he has some skill.

  • Greening sucks

    Time to play NHL 14 Be a GM Mode.

    Spezza to Anaheim for Etem + Vatanen + Their late 1st rounder

    Prince + Weircioch +Condra for Stewart
    Sign Paul Stasny

    MacArthur- Turris- Stone
    Ryan- Stasny- Stewart
    Hoffman- Zibenejad- Etem
    Greening- Smith- Neil

    Methot- Karlsson
    Cowen- Vatenen
    Philips- Ceci
    Gryba/ Borocop

    • Pasky

      We wouldn’t keep Greening if this was NHL 14 lol

    • Jakester

      I like it , whoa Cowen still on the team…. Ouch! Lol

  • illdistrict

    Was there a voice interview with BM today? If so, link please.

  • Cicero

    A ‘re-cap’ podcast now posted on TSN1200. But not the source interview. Hopefully it will come up soon. http://proxy.autopod.ca/podcasts/chum/186/21453/apr15drivehr1.mp3

    • Cicero

      ^ Not much substance. Mostly filler.

  • Miguel

    those happy to here about Spezza possible leaving:
    1) please temper your expectations
    – if you think he is shit, dont expect other teams to give you their #1 centre for him
    2) Spezza is control, EDM can give you Hall RNH Eberle and Schultz and Spezza will say no to EDM
    3) the 2-3 teams that get a call from Murray will know he is under the gun and all 3 will offer low offers in return
    This is a complete lose lose for Ottawa. Not as bad as Hately b/c Spezza is way more classier but not much better.
    Congrats though, as you will all get what you wanted!

    • Doc

      Easy now. You’re assuming that those that might see the benefit of trading him also thinks that he is ‘shit’. From what I can gather that is truly not the case. They are Spezza haters out there for sure, but you can’t lump everyone in the same boat.

      • Miguel

        Doc you know the ones that I am talking about, there are many on here that blame everything on him, and scream for his trade, and then expect a Duchene + or Giroux + type players in return.

        • Doc

          Fair enough Miguel. I know it’s hard to see all the talks and rumours going around in regards to our key players.

          We can only hope that if he does get traded, we are getting a good package in return.

          I trust Murray to do what’s best for the team in the long run.

    • Dadzsun

      I don’t expect a #1 for him. A top 3 Dman and 1st round would make me happy.
      IMO we don’t need another #1C. Turris/Ryan/McCarthur are ready for 1st, Z-bad 2nd, Smith 3rd, Lazar/Pageau 4th.

      • Sandy

        Who replaces Spezza’s points?

        • FistsofNeil25

          No one can or will. At least not short term.

        • Senatollah

          No one has replaced foligno’s points since he left. our third and fourth liners have been brutal overall. I get ZBAD is young and bouncing around but for all the talk of how great he is he hasn’t filled the whole foligno left.

          • Doc

            What? Foligno was playing on the second line before he left, and had his best seasons there.

            We definitely replaced his production.

        • Dadzsun

          In all honesty many of his points won’t be replaced – that’s when he’s healthy which seems to be less and less as he ages (understandably).

          Given our ‘strength’ in Goals For, I’m willing to trade some of that to reduce the Goals Against. My feeling is that we’ll get more net wins by being a harder team to play against. The scores will be closer, and possibly lower.

  • FistsofNeil25
    • Cicero

      Thanks buddy!

    • I’m just sayin’

      hmmm – didn’t hear that he was going to improve the defense
      by adding a solid veteran

      (oh – and Don Brennan is reptilian)

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yeah defense is still such a huge concern to me. I would be shocked if Murray didn’t do something to address it this summer. As a group they’re just not mobile enough and can’t transition the puck well enough.

        Unfortunately we’re stuck with Phillips which mean’s I really don’t think we can have both Cowen and Gryba on the team as well. One of the has to go.

        • Hannibal

          Hate to move Spezza to the Rangers but if BM does I would want McDonough coming back the other way. He would certainly improve the defense considerably

          • FistsofNeil25

            pretty sure that McDonagh is untouchable for the Rangers. He’s an elite NHL defenceman at the age of 24, signed long term at a bargain price. That will never happen my friend.

          • Sandy

            Yeah.. what the hell was Bob Gainey thinking… trading him for Scott Gomez… right?

          • FistsofNeil25

            Was that Gainey or Gauthier? I actually can’t remember.

          • Jakester

            Gainey with Gauthier as his aide, tweedle dee and tweedle dumb!

          • Hannibal

            That is our asking price for Spezza that is all.

      • Hax

        Could mean a few things:

        1. Perhaps he just doesn’t want to tip his hand to other GMs – i.e. maximize any value his young D may have.
        2. He’s looking 2-3 years down the road (yikes) and feels that by then these guys will be a really solid group (which I agree with – just not sure how I feel about waiting).

        And yeah, I’d love for Melnyk to by the Sun and fire those two bozos.

        • Sandy

          Yep… appears no playoffs next season if that D is not upgraded.. and Spezza is traded. That’s a guarantee from me…. for what it is worth.

        • Doc

          By all accounts Garrioch is already Melnyk’s voice…

          • I’m just sayin’

            no F grade for Melnyk in yesterday’s Boo Boo team report card article

  • FistsofNeil25

    What’s unfortunate is that Murray’s press conference made us feel better about this organization after Melnyk’s comments this morning, only to have Melnyk make us all lose our shit again when he goes on TSN1200 at 5:00

  • FistsofNeil25

    So assuming Spezza and Hemsky are both goners, and the future of Michalek remains to be seen, this is what Ottawa depth chart looks like:

    C – Turris, Zibanejad, Smith, Pageau, Da Costa (RFA), Lazar
    LW – MacArthur, Hoffman, Greening, Puempel, Schneider (RFA), Prince
    RW – Ryan, Stone, Neil, Condra, Robinson

    D – Karlsson, Methot, Cowen, Ceci, Wiercioch, Phillips, Gryba (RFA), Borowiecki

    Wowwwww are there ever some holes to plug if this team wants to qualify for the playoffs next year!

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      C looks OK… Think with the right additions that spot is fine.

      Lw/rw… OK we have one legitimate line… After that Ummmmm yikes

      D needs to improve somewhere

    • Pasky

      One of each wingers and we should be OK… wont be a cup winning forwards group but good enough for players to stay competitive and develop at the same time.

      I’d like Weircioch but if we can package him for a proven Top 4D then that problem should be resolved.

    • Aaron 2.0

      True, but I imagine one top-6 would come back the other way in a trade involving Spezza. Obviously not of the same calibre, but it will help with the depth situation.

      I’d point to Columbus when they traded Nash. They got back Dubinsky and Anisimov. Both obviously will never be Nash. But, that trade is working out for CBJ okay. Now, obviously Spezza is no Nash either. But, hopefully if he wants out, we can attain some nice complementary pieces.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yeah I would expect that a top six winger or a 2-3 line center would have to be included in a Spezza trade.

        What do people think about possibly taking a stab at signing Stastny? He’s a few years younger than Spezza but obviously doesn’t have the same offensive upside. Left handed center that plays a 200 foot game? I know it’s a long shot but it’s an option I guess.

      • Mat

        Spezza is better than Nash. So I would expect better than Dubinsky and Anisimov.

    • Don Ciccio

      Some holes will be plugged in with the return that we get from Spezza and maybe a UFA signing or two…..I have a feeling that Michalek, Spezza and Hemksy are all gone.

      • Sandy

        Hemsky for sure…

  • Don Ciccio

    Hey Chirp, any news on Spezza maybe not wanting to return have anything to do with his relationship with P. Maclean? By the way, B. Murray’s press conference was epic.

  • karlssens

    If Spezza and Hemmer go, Michalek has to be resigned..

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      If they both go I hope he isn’t brought back… Unless it is for next to no money… If all three guys go, and Murray knows the guys are backing the plan(Karlsson, Ryan, MacArthur namely) then who knows… Maybe have a similar season to this year in a great draft year and hope to land one of the top guns.

    • Miguel

      MM9 without Spezza and Hemsky is useless… IMO

    • Mat

      Actually no. No he doesn’t. Unless he’s willing to accept a salary of 2-2.5 and play 3rd line minutes, than bringing him back would be almost worse than Philips for 2 more years.

      • karlssens

        Milo had a great last third of the season, had to adjust to the knees lol.

    • I’m just sayin’

      SHUDDER – he has no knees – not worth the risk unless he signs a 1 or 2 year contract

  • Pasky

    So Melnyk twitter session was a joke as expected. Half of the questions we’re people saying go sens go lol, and he left no room for follow up questions.

    • karlssens

      Any deal involving Spezza or Anderson starts with a first.. You know Murray wants a first badly.

      Woops.. Didn’t mean to respond to your post Pasky.

      • FistsofNeil25

        You won’t get anything close to a first rounder for Anderson.

        • karlssens

          Disagree. I think a team that crashes out of the playoffs becauSe of goaltending would panic at the draft and offer a first.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Why would they panic at the draft and offer a first when they could take a run at Miller, Hiller, or Halak as UFA’s?

            No one is going to panic and throw a first rounder at Andy after the season he has had.

          • Zelle

            I agree. Maybe a backup veteran and a bottom 6 for Andy? Isn’t the goaltender pool pretty filled up right now?

          • karlssens

            Just let me be optimistic okay :’(

          • FistsofNeil25

            Sorry buddy, Melnyk has me down today lol

          • karlssens

            His comments piss me off so much “spent to the cap for years, we never won! Gotta spend wisely now!”

            Yah cuz that will work..

          • FistsofNeil25

            I wish he would just say that he can’t afford to spend to the cap. Instead he tells us that he won’t because he’s done it before and it didn’t work out. We aren’t stupid Eugene! Just be honest with us and we won’t be so pissed off!

      • Hax

        I do not know that actually. In fact everything I’ve read about this year’s draft (for months now) indicates that after the first 2 or 3 picks the quality is brutal.

      • Sandy

        Why? It’s not supposed to be a good draft.
        This team needs players NOW that can play in the NHL. They have enough young guys coming — that missing a #1 pick this year means squat.

  • Mat

    Here’s my concern about trading Spezza. I think we can be somewhat relieved that in a year where he could be traded, Spezza ended the season in dominant fashion. That means that we can expect as close to an equal return as possible. But what team will pay a high price for a player with only 1 year left on his contract (albeit a very generous salary) with no restricted rights or guarantee of signing long term? Look at the outcome from the Moulson/Vanek debacle. Ottawa can’t afford to lose a superstar and take steps backwards.

    • Pasky

      Any trade involving Spezza will obviously involve a willingness to sign with the team traded to. I’m sure Spezza has a few teams in mind that he would want to sign with if he was going to be a UFA, so basically that becomes the teams he would waive his NTC for

  • Sandy

    I wonder what Melnyk said to those 5 players he had an individual meeting with… That scares the hell out of me…
    Glad to see McLean stay. Shawn Simpson picked that one wrong, like I knew he would.. What a jackass.

    • karlssens

      Probably the 5 pending UFA’s.

      “Now I know you’re looking for X amount of dollars, but let me show you why you should take X amount of dollars…”

  • Mat

    It’s pretty clear though. Spezza is gone for the right price. Or else, the owner and GM would immediately nip those rumors in the bud. I maintain that Edmonton is our best trading partner (of course if Spezza waives). 2014 1st rounder + Eberle for Spezza + Wiercioch + Smith/Pageau

    • Doc

      Lol…they wouldn’t do Eberle straight up for Spezza, let alone with a first added for a 3LC and a fringe defenseman.

      Sorry.

      • Jakester

        I agree Eberle is staying put. Gagne and Yak are pieces they would move IMO.

        • Sensturion

          Murray wants little to nothing to do with Russians.

          • Mat

            Thank god for that. And Gagne is shit.

      • Mat

        Well, Edmonton will have to give if they ever want to get. And Yakupov is not attractive to anyone right now.

        As far as I can tell, they need a 1LC pretty bad and an experienced veteran to mentor the young guns. They also need defence but that’s another story. RNH and Gagne is not getting them anywhere. Know any other 1LC that would be available around the league? And tell me what you think it would cost them to get that player.

  • Billy Bob

    Wiercioch stays.

  • karlssens

    Spezza would never go to EDM unfortunately.. Hell I wouldn’t even go to EDM LOL!

    He’s going to one of the big clubs out west, that’s for certain. Most likely seems like St. Louis or LA

    • I’m just sayin’

      I think it’s pretty obvious that Spezza will want to go to a team that has a REALLY good chance of winning the Cup next season.

      Edmonton is not one of those teams

      My prediction ? a California team.

  • sprucesens

    well, here’s my idea for the offseason.
    spezza, 2nd and wiercioch traded to Nashville for Roman Josi,Fillip Forsberg, Sign cammelleri to 5-7 mill contract for 3 years. Whatever it is he feels he’s worth. Right now paid 6. For just under 30 goals on calgary…i think thats fair. greening and condra traded to the oilers for a 2nd round pick.
    MacA-Turris-Ryan
    Cammy-Zibby-Stone
    Hoffman-Forsberg-Lazar/puempel/prince
    Pageau-Smith-Neil
    Josi-Karlsson
    Methot-Ceci
    Phillips-Gryba/Claesson
    This assumes hemsky walks, we don’t sign milo, and spezza is traded. If hemsky stays, he bumps stone down and likely leaves the other 3 in the AHL or junior. Get younger, faster, and if it fails, insert mcDavid in the lineup the following year.

    • sprucesens

      hmmm, maybe cowen in place of wiercioch? since i forgot to put him anywhere. If not he takes gryba’s place on 3rd pairing i guess

    • Jakester

      I could see Spezza going to Edmonton, they have the money to entice him! He’d be the man playing with good young players. Don’t think you get EBerle though,

    • Sandy

      Josi & Forsberg are good young players.. but I think you would get more for giving up Spezza than that.. And Ottawa should not have to add a pick to that…

  • Jakester

    Who knows maybe Sens and Edmonton finally make a deal. It would be something like Spezza,Wiorcioch,And Greening for Gagne and Yakupov. Then Sens trade Cowen for Brett Connolly in Tampa. Then Sens look at signing a UFA D – man, Left handed stick.

    MacArthur-TUrris-Ryan
    Yak-Gagne-Connolly
    Puempel-Zibby-Stone
    Smith-Grant-Pageau
    Neil(Lazar who knows where)

    Methot-Karlsson
    UFA-Ceci
    Claessen-Gryba
    Boro- Phillips

    MM9 and Hemsky probably gone OK but they open up spots.

    Would be a exciting line-up.

    • Billy Bob

      Spezza will not waive to go to Edmonton

      • Jakester

        How do you know, he needs a place where he’ll get his money and the minutes! Players enjoy playing there.

        • Billy Bob

          Bud, if you think that would happen you’re delusional, that has to be the least appealing team in the league to go to.

          • Jakester

            Not appealing to center Taylor Hall and Jordan Eberle wakey wakey Bud!

          • Billy Bob

            Watch and see, Spezza will not be an Edmonton Oiler

          • Jakester

            Well then he’s going somewhere else to be a second line center!

          • Sensturion

            There’s a reason Edmonton is so bad… the only people who want to sign there are rookies because they know they’ll play, and old/retiring players who can’t get a contract anywhere else.

          • Jakester

            Ok then smart know it all, must be a sad day for you Sens are washing their hands of Spezz and you can ‘t even admit it! They want players who give an effing effort, that was pretty clear!

          • Mat

            How about you make an alternate suggestion then?

            Edmonton is a very logical destination, and a team not too far from turning things around. That team lacks a true #1 centre and star player with the experience to mentor the young guns. He would make a nice 1-2 punch with RNH. Gagne is shit.

            And a lot of Canadian players would chose to play in a Canadian market over a warm weathered American city. I think Spezza is one of those guys.

          • BeJamin

            Its an impossible destination. One Spezza certainly would refuse going to. Keep playing in dream land though. Why the hell would Spezza waste his time going there? He wants to win… did you even watch his exit interview? The guy isn’t about to live the Ottawa management shit-show just to walk into another one. – LOL. SO LOGICAL.

          • Mat

            You say Spezza wouldn’t go like you actually know the guy. Pretty sure you don’t. But if you do, please enlighten us on what Spezza really wants. Save us the suspense.

            And Chicago and Pittsburgh were shit shows for a long time before they became powerhouses. Do you think Edmonton will be shit for an eternity?? There is only one Toronto Maple Leafs. Every other team goes through ups and downs. Its quite logical to think that Edmonton is on the cusp.

          • Billy Bob

            I’m not gonna pretend to know where he’s going, I haven’t been in the meetings. However, I do understand the game. Edmonton is a team that needs 1) leadership – “Hey guys, we need better leadership, how about we sell a bunch of assets to a team with a captain who couldn’t lead a team loaded with talent and back to back playoff appearances to the playoffs.” – said McTavish never.
            2) better defence – “Ok Ok now I’ve got a better idea. Let’s get a player who doesn’t play 200 ft. but maybe get a point a game average as long as his fragile back holds up.” – said no one in Edmonton.

            Now, to get Spezza the asking price is someone who can help now, a top prospect, and a 1st round pick.

            1) Edmonton will have to give up Hall or Eberle, with the history of russians and the Sens, Yakupov will not be part of this deal. Ok i’ll even bite here, they may be willing to part with one of those guys.
            2) their 1st rounder this year could very well be exactly what they need in Aaron Ekblad. If they would be willing to give this up to get a guy who might not be around that long and can’t play defence, Edmonton is in worse trouble than I thought.
            AND if it’s next years draft that would just be retarded on their part.
            3) top prospect? no clue about their system but it can’t be that good.

            Not a good trading partner boys sorry, even if he were crazy enough to waive to go there, this just won’t happen. Connect the fucking dots and wake up.

        • I’m just sayin’

          Spezza wants to win a Stanley Cup IMHO

    • Jakester

      It would buy Zibby some room to continue to evolve. Once Lazar is ready, you can move Gagne for more pieces or you keep him cuz he seems to be turning into one heck of a player. Connolly well I think this guy is going to be a big star, Tampa is asleep, we should be able to steal him but it has to happen now!

    • Sandy

      Yakupov? No way…

      • s3nsfan

        Not a chance I want that slacker in our lineup

  • senshockeyfan

    Lets get Alfy to return for a victory lap!!
    MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
    Stone-Spezza-Hemsky
    Hoffman-Zibanejad-Alfredsson
    Greening-Smith-Neil
    callups- Puempel, Lazar, Schneider, Grant, Dziurzynski
    Edler-Karlsson
    Methot-Cowen
    Phillips-Ceci
    Borowiecki
    callup- Claesson, Wideman

    • senshockeyfan

      approx. 6 million left in cap space

  • Cicero

    I’m going to drop another minority opinion here. I firmly believe Jason Spezza WILL be re-signed to 2019, and it will happen about a week before the June entry draft. Why am I so sure?

    Last year he had the ‘C’ thrust upon him, and from all appearances the players in the locker room have respected and supported Jason’s captaincy. He’s done a fine job taking the whip from the media and fans throughout what’s been a very rough season.

    So it’s been a learning experience for Jason, just as it’s been for the entire team and coaching staff. Of course he’d love to stick around to reap the rewards of persevering through adversity.

    I also believe he wants to graduate from playing to coaching and management, and his proving ground will be either or both the Mississauga Ice Dogs and the Ottawa Senators organizations. Both are owned by Melnyk.

    I also think Spezza is smart enough to realize that he can extract the best possible deal by proving his market value now. He’s done so on the ice during the second half of the season, and by asking Bryan Murray to inquire around, he’s playing what trumps he can before contract negotiations get serious.

    Why a week before the Draft? First, it will mean only one week of Spezza-haters ranting. Then there will be plenty of movement at the Draft, and all eyes will be on the changes in the roster after that date. Second, I think Jason’s input on Draft day will be a key part of the process. I think he’s going to become more involved as a player/coach kind of leader in the coming years.

    Lastly, the Sens cannot afford to lose Spezza if they could have otherwise offered him what he wants. The credibility of the Senators franchise as a place for elite players to thrive will be destroyed. Of course, Jason knows this, and I think he will leverage this by stepping a foot outside the door.

    • Sensturion

      I’m going to blow your theory out of the water… “I firmly believe Jason Spezza WILL be re-signed to 2019, and it will happen about a week before the June entry draft.” Spezza can’t be resigned until a week AFTER the draft.

      • Cicero

        I didn’t know that. Plenty of record of when the trade deadline was this year, but I cant find a reference to when it can resume. I just figured it was after the SCF.

        • Sensturion

          A player can only be resigned once his current contract reaches 1 year left. That happens on July 1st.

          • Cicero

            Okay thanks. Back to the Prognostication Board…. lol

      • Andrews theory

        I heard Elvis is his new agent so you are probably right

    • Jakester

      I think From what I heard today from Murray, and looking At his body language that Spezza is as good as gone. I think we attended his funeral today! They are going to give the young guys the reigns and rightly so!

  • Andrews theory

    The fact that Melnyk decided to sit in on exit interviews says all you need to know.

    I love this team but the organization is being driven straight into the ground by our fucktard owner that probably can’t skate from one side of the rink to the other let alone form an educated decision on the future of the team.

    Guys that were keen on staying likely walked out of the room and wanted nothing better than to close the book on an organization handicapped by an ignorant owner.

    Spezza leaves, Karlsson is next to request a trade and I lay that at Melnyks feet alone.

    • Nikola Todorić

      I said this the moment Alfie left. “Something” (we all now know what) happened that insulted Alfie, and it was Melnyk. This is the last contract Karlsson signs with the Senators while Melnyk is Owner.

      • Andrews theory

        Take that to the bank

    • Jordan

      If karlsson ever leaves ill go ape shit.

  • Floridasensfan

    If we are putting out players we would like to see here in a Spezza and whoever else trade, Hartnell is one guy I would like to see in a Sens uniform.

    Melnyk please refuse all interviews going forward, let BM be the voice.
    That is all.

    • Andrews theory

      I want Keith Yandle

  • Jordan

    As much as i hate to see spezza go.(not for sure) you have to admit its exciting to think what we could possibly get for him.

    Possible landing spots: St. Louis, Edmonton, LA,Winnepeg.

    If edmonton most likely yakupov would be the key piece and thier draft pick.

    In La im not to sure

    Winnepeg would be kane

    St. Louis could get oshie and backes maybe would have to add more to that but probably not too much.

  • Aaron 2.0

    Just saw the tweets by Garrioch highlighting Melnyk’s interview today. And, wow. Sounded, let’s say, colourful. Few thoughts below:

    1) The spending Issue –> We all want to see more money on players. But, this is actually one of the areas where I don’t disagree with Melnyk (even though he does himself no favours with how he states that). It’s great that we have a rich owner. But, that doesn’t mean he should have to accept a loss ever year to spend to the cap. It’s in the long-term interest of this team to be profitable. I just wish we knew what the actual financial situation of the team. The different responses we get on this are clear as mud.

    2) The meddling Issue –> I actually have no issue with an owner who wants to be informed, and does his own sort of evaluation with how everything is going. It keeps everybody honest. But, why is he a part of exit interviews? That’s scary. We all know the stories involving Melnyk and Alfredsson. You have to wonder what the players think. There are enough reasons for players to consider other teams upon reaching un-restricted free agency. It’s scary stuff to think that ownership adds another element to player satisfaction.

    3) The Spezza Issue –> There is obviously a wide range of opinions here when it comes to Spezza. I don’t want to talk about that. At this point, we pretty much all know what we all think. But, what is ownership doing with the comments today. It certainly sounded like Spezza is no longer welcome. Wouldn’t a quieter approach have been easier if Murray will have to deal him. Frankly, the same goes for Spezza. So far, it appears nobody in the organization is doing any favours on this front.

    Wow, that got long. Sorry. Cheers!

    • Andrews theory

      Great comments

  • Skeleton

    I seriously can’t believe that so many people can’t see how bad Spezza is for this team and the philosophy being preached to the other 22 guys on the active roster.

    You can’t have your captain and leader not playing the way the coach preaches. You just can’t. It was the only decision you could make in naming Spezza captain, it bombed, but you can see why they had to do it. Only MacLean was vocal enough in not naming Spezza captain to a point where it delayed the announcement of the Sens new captain after Alfie.

    It didn’t work, it can’t work and that is why Spezza will not be an Ottawa Senator in less than 5 months.