Clock Ticking for Jason Spezza

SensChirp April 7, 2014 577
Clock Ticking for Jason Spezza

With just four games left in the regular season, it’s entirely possible if not likely that Jason Spezza is playing his final games in an Ottawa Senators uniform.

682 games. 683 points. Another 52 points in his 56 career playoff games. The kind of top line, point-producing centre that every team in this league needs and only a handful have on their roster. A player that has given this city countless “Wow” moments yet always seems to be a lightning rod for criticism. His flash and propensity for the “high-risk” play has never really been fully embraced by an annoying yet significant portion of the fan base.

And as he enters the final year of a 7 year/$49 million contract, the Senators and General Manager Bryan Murray are faced with a difficult decision. With both Spezza and Ryan up for contract extensions at the end of next season, the organization has to make some tough calls about who fits with the team’s long term plan. Spezza’s health issues are no secret at this point in his career, which makes it risky to commit to him long term.

With Kyle Turris having an exceptional season and Mika Zibanejad appearing ready to take on a bigger role, there’s more reason to explore a deal. The organization’s top prospect- Curtis Lazar- is probably still a year away but is also a natural centre. There’s certainly nobody that can replace Spezza’s offensive production but the team has options down the middle.

Spezza’s name has always been a mainstay in the rumour mill. This year at the trade deadline was no different as once again, Spezza seemed to be available for the right price. The Anaheim Ducks were interested. So too were the Colorado Avalanche. You have to think the division rival Maple Leafs made a call. But a deal of that magnitude doesn’t come together over night and in the end, the Senators decided to go out and get a talented winger to play alongside Jason.

But it seems as though the ground work for a summer time deal was put in place. In fact, there were whispers around the deadline that Spezza may have actually quietly asked Murray to see what the interest was like. That maybe both sides were reaching a point where it might be time to go their separate ways.  It was something I heard from multiple people in the days following the trade deadline. And something Elliotte Friedman alluded to the other day.

Bryan Murray was quick to deny the rumours when asked following the deadline.

In a season where the Senators have struggled, some fans have gone so far as to question Spezza’s leadership. Yet to a man, the players in that room will tell you Spezza was the right choice to be Captain of this team. He did everything he could as a leader on and off the ice, playing some of his best hockey down the stretch, but it just wasn’t meant to be for Ottawa this season.

Yet entering what could be a franchise defining summer for the Senators, questions about the Captain’s future linger.  There’s no guarantee Spezza gets moved this summer. The Senators certainly won’t give him away and if the right deal does not come along, they are certainly willing to keep him until a sufficient offer is made.

But what you can be certain of is this- the Ottawa Senators are going to seriously explore a Jason Spezza trade this summer.

  • Sens-fan-in-mtl

    can see a trade that makes sense, unless we just want to unload him…

  • Codo37

    His back was fine this season, he had two minor groin injurys and need half the season to recover from his injurymissed season. Lets give Ryan-Spezza-Hemsky a try and they will reward the sens big! Its not Spezzas fault that the team played that bed but he was a part of it. I give him the time to prove everyone wrong. Wait till the deadline what happens …

    • Cicero

      Ryan and Hemsky are both RW.

      Neither would nor should play a season on the off-wing.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Damn… Thought it would be juicer!

    I have a feeling it is inevitable now

    • Cicero

      I was expecting a poll too. One with agitating questions. lol

  • MethotToMyMadness

    This Team may take on a whole new face before next season, but I just find it hard to believe that Spezza may get traded. You can’t easily replace his offence and if he went to a known rival or inner conference team, that we see often, that would be painful.

    If he’s dealt, it better be with a team who’s expected to finish in the bottom 10 next year, and include a 1st rounder in the Connor McDavid sweepstakes. It’s about time Ottawa nailed a 1st overall pick. Or at least a pick in the top 2 or 3. Looking like Travis Konecny is climbing the draft rankings now since this performance this year with the 67′s.

    • Codo37

      He has a NTC and wont waive for a bottom team!

    • Pasky

      Ironically, last Top 3 pick we had was Spezza in 2001

    • Skeleton

      The Sens will have a completely new 2nd line next season to support MacArthur-Turris and Ryan/Stone.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I love Spezza and hope he stays but I think the organization will move away from him this summer at the draft. I hope he’s traded to a place where he can e surrounded by players that compliment his style and that he get’s an opportunity to just play and not have to be the teams saviour. Whether he is traded to Colorado or Anaheim I would be happy for him and wish him luck. This city has never fully appreciated JS19.

    • Skeleton

      I’ve appreciated him, but I also want to win a Cup at some point. You?

  • Captain Karl

    It would make sense for both team and player. The organization is overloaded with centers and as great as Spezza has been for us he is on the downhill slope of his career. A trade with Pheonix for OEL or Yandle would be ideal and I think Spezza and Doan are friends and it would get poor Jason out of the media circus here.

    • Jonny

      So if he is on a downhill slope why would Phoenix give up their best young D for him? LOL. He has a NTC and Phoenix aint a contender. Spezza aint going nowhere, Sens Org dont like to be made the fool and how stupid would they look to trade a guy they just named Captain and backed him up for it.

      How would it look to the players in the room, who all back Spezza 100%, Ryan came here to play with him, Hemsky has developped great chemistry with him and now see’s him go, he would be next…

      IF Spezza goes, something of equal value has to come back, we wont get that anywhere, not with Spezza being a FA after next year.

      • Captain Karl

        The downhill slope is not noticeable now but it will be in 3 years time. The fact is now is the time to pull the trigger because if we wait any longer there won’t be any value. Think of it this way. If we can get a top notch D for him it will make us competitive in the short term. In 3 years time Turris will have 6 years under his belt, Zibby 5 and Lazar 2 and our young D core 4. Everybody entering the prime of their careers.

    • Skeleton

      Yes, Doan and Spezza are friends, but what are you going to add to Spezza to grab one of OEL or Yandle? Condra and Prince? Methot? Hopefully not Wiercioch.

  • whammer44

    This will come down to a hockey business decision. Last year of his contract and as he is still a point a game player he will be looking for at least a $35 million contract.

    The question is he worth the risk and will ownership pony up? If he walks away at the end of the year and the Sens have nothing for him, then that s a huge fail. If they manage to re-sign him and the injuries continue to hamper his play, also a fail.

    Mgmt has to weigh the risks and consider all scenarios. If they didn’t explore a possible trade this summer then they aren’t doing their job. For the right package now is the time to move Spez. If you can’t get equal or better value then we start the year with him and see how the season evolves.

    And if they do sign Spez, don’t expect Hemsky and Michalek back. They still have to get Ryan and Mac locked up and there isn’t enough money for all those guys.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Well there is plenty of space for all those guys(cap space wise)…. The question is is melnyk ready to pay for a competitive team.

      I am really torn on Spezza…. I’ve actually always been a fan of his…. But like you said, feel it may be time for him to also move on.

      • whammer44

        Of course its not about cap space with the Sens. Mac is going to be $5 mil/year, Ryan likely $6.5 mil/yr, Hemsky between $5-6 mill…who knows with Milan but the price has been going up the last 2 weeks.

        Theres no way they spend that kind of dough on all those guys when you consider Hoff, Zbad, and Stone are all set to play regular minutes next year.

        That said, I am also torn on Spez…I would have been happy to keep him, but I just don’t see how it happens now.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          I don’t Milo is back

          • FistsofNeil25

            Hopefully not.

    • Skeleton

      Your last paragraph. Good, see ya Hemsky, Michalek and Spezza. Welcome O’Reilly, Stewart and Lazar. Not saying that would be our 2nd line, but just they may be Sens next season.

      • whammer44

        I’d be surprised if Lazar plays a significant role next year…we’ll see.
        As for O’Reilly and Stewart…Do you have some sort of magic 8 ball?

  • Cicero

    Another thoughtful and timely piece, Chirp.

    It sure will be a ‘franchise defining summer’, either way this plays out. I’ve written about the need to envision and create a new identity (post-Alfie), but perhaps the way to do it is to make room for young players and they’ll create it on ice.

    If he’s dealt, I’d take a top-4 D over a 2015 1st rd. pick. We might not get another chance for a deal without giving up too much youth. I think we have some great, young offensive pieces to fill that point-per-game gap.

    If not…well I just hope he has some sort of rehab miracle this summer and returns to his old form! Hemsky re-signing will be a must, and 9MM should be given serious consideration too.

    If we blow-up 9-19-83, then it’s a no-brainer. Kyle Turris steps in as the Sens’ new Captain. Here’s the line-up:

    16-7-6
    ??-93-61
    ??-15-25
    ??-68-22

    So we have some problems: not enough LWers Hoffman shoots L, so perhaps he could be put up on the wing beside Mika. Or we hope Puempel makes the team after training camp.

    We might not be able to get both a top-4 D *and* a top-6 LW for Spezza in a trade, unless it’s a package deal. Brian Murray could swing something but it would cost us 19 plus someone from our stable of young talent (likely the back-end, e.g. Cowen or Gryba).

    As I write this, I’m also thinking that Hemsky might want to put down roots here even if Speeza is dealt. He’d play on Mika’s line, since Bobby Ryan has earned his spot on the top line.

    Yeah…a Spezza deal would certainly re-define the team.

    On a final note, I remember my Dad taking me to see the 67s when Denis Potvin was a junior. My Dad is 89 and goes into contortions on the couch whenever Spezza makes a high-risk pass that turns the puck over. I’d like to see a trade this summer, just for the sake of my Dad’s health.

    • Jonny

      To me if 19 leaves, so does 83 and that leaves a heavily crippled 9, you DONT re-sign him if you dont have 19-83…

      Turris as Captain? really, he’s know around the NHL to be a whiney little kid, we’ve all seen it on faceoffs and when he gets a penalty. Not sure he is mature enough and in any case I dont think Murray or Maclean would make him Captain. They would probably go with Phillips for a year…Sigh

      • bishbosh

        “he’s know around the NHL to be a whiney little kid”

        didn’t stop Pittsburgh

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        No chance they go with Philips for a year… On top of being a coach killing team, a goalie graveyard you also want to be a revolving captain team.

        Come on man

        • Dirk-Diggler

          I am a full season ticket holder. If Phillips is the captain next year I am paper bagging all 41 regular season and 3 pre-season and all 0 playoff home games next season…

      • Skeleton

        I’ve seen Turris’ game mature and develop under MacLean each and every year – as a person and leader as well. But yes, Turris will not be the captain when Spezza gets traded this offseason.

    • Skeleton

      It’s not even Spezza’s “high-risk” passes that are the problem anymore, it’s his lack of commitment and effort to anything beyond a 100 foot hockey game.

      • Cicero

        He’s actually been making great effort to meet his defensive obligations. But his style does have its limitations. He’s an offensive zone wizard.

        • runningbear1974

          I’ll just throw in a small comment here… I don’t think he is offensive wizard… I think he has one fancy dangle move that changes where the puck is and that move alone gives him the extra space and time to launch the puck to the other side of the rink… He’s no Forsberg… I do believe he’s an elite goal scorer… Too bad he wasn’t determined to score 50 a year… He could do it if he wanted…

          • Cicero

            Okay, maybe more of an Adept Conjurer than Wizard.

        • Skeleton

          Great effort? That’s very sad if that is the best he can do.

          Goodbye Spezza. You are an elite playmaker, but I want to win a Cup.

  • Pierre Larabie

    It’s time for the Sens to part with Spezza as the Bruins did with big Joe. Can’t have a captain that never hits and back-checks. This guy is sooo talented but this league is no shinny hockey. Remember last season when he was out, the Sens did pretty good.

    • Jonny

      You mean the goalies played out of this world.

      Also Karlsson & Cowen were out.

      • runningbear1974

        Yes the goalies played out of this world… But they were supported by a team that played a good solid defensive system…

    • runningbear1974

      I think big Joe is perfect comparable to Spezza… Likes the boards, prefers to pass… Doesn’t really like the center of the ice much…

  • Corey Trevor

    We should keep Spezza until he retires and let Zibby grow as a 2nd line centre over the next 3 years while Spezza moves into the 2C/3C role with tons of PP time. Limit Spezza’s minutes and maybe he plays 82+ games a year. Turris (25yo in August) and Zib (21 in April) are still super young and won’t be able to shoulder the load on their own… and we won’t find a better option than Spezza

    • Cicero

      I think if nothing falls from the tree at the draft this summer, your scenario could be the way it plays out — iff Spezza has any desire to close-out his career in Ottawa….

    • s3nsfan

      I’m assuming you’ll be putting Turris’ line as 1st line?

      • Corey Trevor

        Yup, Turris to transition to 1C over the next year or two as Spezza slips down the depth chart. One problem managing Turris/Spezza/Zib would be if Smith gets more than 3C/4C minutes. Another problem is if Spezza wants a Cup, and decides to go to a team with a chance of winning. I think his role during the next contract would be the same everywhere – 2C to 2C/3C centre as he approaches retirement. He’s great, but would be amazing against weaker competition playing for a contender.

      • Skeleton

        Where have you been all year? The Turris line already made themselves the #1 line. It happened in Game #3 or 4 on the year.

        • s3nsfan

          Wow, he didn’t specify Turris in his comment, i merely wanted to confirm that is his plan.

          Im well aware of what they have done during the course of the year.
          Sorry someone pissed in your corn flakes this morning

    • Skeleton

      You realize how silly that sounds? Keep Spezza till he retires but limit his minutes? Are you taking the C from him too and paying him $3 million to go along with his sheltered minutes? I’m sure Spezza would be happy with that. Great dressing room conversation.

      Your post is full of contradiction and you can tell you even see Spezza’s shortcomings but are too in love with his giggle to move on from his time in Ottawa.

      • Corey Trevor

        Wow… you seem angry. I’m not sure where I contradict myself in the post, but maybe you can enlighten me?

        Spezza will be 31 this June, and 32 when a new deal starts. That’s getting up there, especially for someone that has had Spezza’s injury history. I stand by my comment that he should only be playing 2C/3C minutes when he’s 35. Right now he’s playing 14mins/g EV and 3mins/g on the powerplay (50 seconds a game on the PK). That’s perfect IMO.

        If a 35yo Spezza can play 20 mins a night while appearing in 82+ games, great… but I don’t think he can. He can still be captain while playing a reduced role, and I’m not sure what you think is so strange about that. Alfie wasn’t leading the forwards in TOI last year.

        If Spezza will accept that role on a Sens team that isn’t guaranteed to make the playoffs, that’s amazing… but he likely won’t. He could get a ton of money on the open market – good for him. But if he stays in Ottawa, he’ll need to do what’s best for the team (you know, like a leader would do), which is likely going to mean limiting his ice-time so that Turris and Zib can continue their development.

        In 2010-11, Spezza had about 20:11 minutes a game. In 2011/12, Spezza had about 19:55mins/g, last year 19:45mins/g and this year he’s around 18:16mins/g. Maybe him playing 17mins/g would allow him to contribute while not straining his back. Nobody wants to have their ice time reduced, and he probably would hate it, like you said. But a leader wouldn’t allow it to sour the locker room.

  • Cicero

    Hey Nineteen. Let’s air this out… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzfwtX2kgOA

  • FistsofNeil25

    I’m surprised that no one has commented on this yet: “In fact, there were whispers around the deadline that Spezza may have actually quietly asked Murray to see what the interest was like.”

    • Aaron 2.0

      If that’s the case, a trade certainly seems likely. That fact wouldn’t bode well for trying to re-sign Spezza. We can’t let him walk for nothing, that’s for sure!

    • Cicero

      It’s the elephant in the living room. And it speaks directly to another overlooked observation from Chirp in the previous blog post, Understanding Paul Maclean (April 3, 2014): “And of course, Eugene Melnyk should have plenty a finger pointed in his direction. Not only is his internal budget seriously limiting what this team can do on the ice, the environment he has created within this organization, from top to bottom (and not just on the hockey side either)…is toxic.”

      • runningbear1974

        I asked a little while ago… Who would you choose Spezza or Maclean? Who do you think has it in him to lead us to a cup?

        • Joseph Paul

          Probably neither, the team seems light years away from a cup right now. I’d personally choose Spez over Maclean, but that’s just me. Maclean has been so awful this year that the past two years seem like anomalies. It genuinely looks like he isn’t trying and some of his bad decisions are ones that armchair coaches wouldn’t even consider doing.

          • runningbear1974

            Spezza has never been part of any winning situation… There’s no reason to believe he has it in him…
            Whereas Maclean is at least a maybe, because he was part of Detroit’s winning, so he has a sense of what it takes…
            Maclean has sort of been awful… The results were awful… What he tried to do was okay, it’s just too bad it didn’t work out… Spezza on penalty kill, and Phillips on power play…

          • Joseph Paul

            I think it’s unfair to measure a player (or coach’s) worth by whether or not they’ve won a cup. I can’t say that I feel that putting Phillips on the PP is okay, it’s madness. Same as having Neil out in key situations when you’re down by a goal. Continuing to play Cowen over Wiercioch, running the same unsuccessful SO lineups… the list goes on.

          • runningbear1974

            I’m not measuring them… I’m just saying history gives Maclean a slight edge… He at least knows what winning looks like, feels like…
            Maclean made some decisions that lead to losing, but that’s not why he did it… He had purpose… Anyone should be professional and provide what their role requires… He was trying stuff…

          • Joseph Paul

            I can’t say that I agree that an assistant coach has any edge over a guy who was the 1st line centerman in a SCF but hey, there’s nothing wrong with some good old discussion. I agree that he probably had winning in mind when he made those decisions, but that doesn’t change anything, you need to be held equally responsible either way.

          • Skeleton

            Facepalm

        • Skeleton

          Haha. Not even a serious question. You don’t win with a Spezza.

          • Joseph Paul

            So Turris is the first line centre with a PPG in the playoffs that’s going to lead the team to the cup? It’s completely understandable to be critical of Spezza, but try to keep it objective.

          • Skeleton

            With a new 2nd line which the Sens will have next season and beyond, yes.

            Have you been watching Turris all year? That is how you win.

            All you need to do is look at St. Louis and Boston to see if you need a one-way PPG centre. Have you been listening to what it takes to win by Hitchcock and Babcock? See how they like their centres to play.

          • runningbear1974

            Yeah, I really think Turris is extra special… He’s already scored important Playoff Overtime Goalsssss… That’s special…

          • Joseph Paul

            I’ve been watching Turris for literally all but one game that he’s played with the team, he’s a fantastic player who is a budding star. I just don’t feel that he’s at the point in his career where he’s “the guy”. He’s on his way to being established but IMO, just isn’t there yet (key word, yet). I’m also fairly certain that Ottawa as 7th seed went further than Hitchcock’s Blues last year.

          • Zelle

            Spezza wasn’t in the lineup in the first round last year either.

          • Zelle

            You don’t need to a PPG center to win a Cup:
            http://espn.go.com/nhl/statistics/player/_/stat/points/sort/avgPoints/year/2013/seasontype/3

            My apologies, this was meant for Joseph Paul.

        • The Apostle

          If it was an either or, I would move Spezza.I actually don’t want to move either, but Spezza brings back assets which firing a coach doesn’t. Moving a player for a good return is smart hockey business that makes the organisation look smart. Firing your 4th coach in 7 years or whatever it would be, makes the organisation (and Murray especially) look like morons.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    I see a TONNE I’d want in Colorado.. But if that’s our partner I don’t see a hell of a lot that they would be willing to part with. Anaheim is sorta in the same boat.

    I think realistically we want two pieces back a legit top 6 law, and probably a potential top 4 d… Maybe a pick thrown in depending on quality going either way to compensate.

    I suppose the trade could become something even larger than Spezza for x, y… Maybe somewhere like Colorado would be interested in Neil or Philips as well… They are so young adding some “old” guys May appeal

    • FistsofNeil25

      Unfortunately I think any piece we would want from Colorado is likely untouchable, and are younger and pretty much as good if not better than Spezza. Duchene, O’Reilly, Landeskog, MacKinnon..

      Anaheim and St Louis both have some good pieces though and Spezza would be a great fit for either team.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Yeah those were my targets… He’ll I’d consider throwing something on top for Mackinnon.

        • Joseph Paul

          Are you kidding, haha?

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            There isn’t much on our roster I wouldn’t be willing to part with for him

            I also know the likelihood they move him is about zero

          • Joseph Paul

            Good, I was beginning to think that you believed it were a possibility to get an 18 year old future 100pt scorer Calder winner after the team had a record regular season.

        • Jonny

          You’d have to throw half our team on top to get Mackinnon and then some.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Hahaha

            Spezza
            Condra
            Greening
            Cowen
            Rights to michalek
            Philips

            For

            Mackinnon

            What’s even funnier is I think I’d pull the trigger

          • Jakester

            Yeah but Colorado still wouldn’t

      • bishbosh

        I could see us teasing out O’Reilly from that group – but not any of the others.

        if he wanted to go to Toronto (and I don’t think that would be high on Murray’s wish list) I could see franson and kadri coming back (which is bound to upset a lot of people here).

        • s3nsfan

          Weren’t there Rumours of a potential deal being possible with O’Reilly before their injuries, I thought I had heard that. Hell trade Spezza to Anaheim for Silfverburg, Noesen & our first back lol

      • Skeleton

        Colorado can’t afford to keep everyone in the coming year(s).

      • Skeleton

        They need to pick between Stastny and O’Reilly. One of them is gone.

    • whammer44

      I don’t see why the Avs would want Spezza…but I would take O’Reilly straight up if they were so inclined. Ducks I can see. Possibly something like Bonino and Lindholm.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I would take Lindholm straight up man. It would be hard enough to pry out their future #1 dman. I wouldn’t want to get too greedy asking for Bonino as well

        • whammer44

          We can send our future shut down dman…*cough*…Cowen…*cough* to sweeten the pot!

          • Skeleton

            Cowen is about as untouchable as they come with Murray and rightly so.

          • whammer44

            How do you see Cowen as untouchable? He is slow and can’t pivot in the corners. I’ll give him some benefit of the doubt that he was hampered by his hip injury…but there’s no way he’s an NHL dman right now and I saw no progress during the year despite the countless opportunities he was given.

          • Skeleton

            Because Murray loves him.

            And come on, he progressed just fine as the season went on. He stumbled out of the gate for sure and that is explained by his injury and contract status and then had regular intervals of poor play that even healthy, young, big defencemen go through. This is still a guy that has about the same amount of GP in his career as people drafted 2 years later than him including guys like Adam Larsson, Dougie Hamilton and James Brodin.

          • whammer44

            oh I agree BM loves him (hoping its now past tense) but I cant agree he progressed just fine. Its not his inexperience that I have issue with, its his foot speed and his ability to react in the corners.

            Maybe its injury related, but why did they keep putting him out there to fail then?

          • Skeleton

            Bad reads for sure, but when the whole team has no system in their own end, it leads to individual breakdowns that become more pronounced when it ends up in the back of your net.

            And I can’t speak for MacLean, he has done some curious things this season, but I trust the coach that he knows what he is doing.

            Everyone failed this season with the big club except Turris, MacArthur, Ryan, Smith, Stone, Hoffman, Wiercioch, Da Costa, Ceci and maybe Karlsson, Kassian and Neil.

          • Skeleton

            Don’t pick apart my names, it was all off the top of my head without actually going through the roster and based on performances when healthy and/or up with the big club.

      • Skeleton

        Spezza ++ for O’Reilly and I’d do it without even thinking.

  • Dirtysweetness

    Anyone else think there’s going to be a coaching change? I’m only saying this after hearing TSN1200 this morning. Personally, I hope not.

    • thepez

      I only heard the very last part of the segment where they said to Simpson, “we’ll see what happens with your prediction of a coaching change in Ottawa”. I was thinking no way you let him go. But hearing Pierre McGuire say that the Jets job may be available it would almost make sense that Mac leaves the Sens for the Jets. With him having a contract I guess the Sens could trade him to the Jets. Coach Mac for Evander Kane……

      • Frank

        The Jets trade a 22 year-old 30-goal scorer for a new head coach? Are you high?

        • thepez

          I was being sarcastic, just not smart enough to show it in writing

          • Frank

            We should have some sort of sarcasm icon to avoid these instances… lol

      • Sandy

        Shawn Simpson IS a joke… I wouldn’t put any stock into what he says…

    • Jonny

      Well to be hoest, he (PMAC) probably should get ALOT of the blame for this season, I mean you dont simply fall off the wagon after 2 years of playoffs. Something in the Org is terribly bad, wether its GM to Coach, or Coach to Players, etc… Something broke and it seems its the kind that cant be fixed.

      So do we go the Clouston way again…..keep the coach and lose the players or axe the coach and keep the stars. Tough call but IF it was me, I would axe the coach and keep the players, plenty of good coaches out there, dime a dozen.

      • Sandy

        Yeah McLean forgot how to coach from last season to this.
        This organization would become the joke of the league if they fired a coach for having ONE bad season.. Wow.. that’s just plain stupid.

    • Skeleton

      Nope.

  • The Apostle

    This is an incredibly bland and obvious comment but it depends on what sort of contract Spezza is after.

    • Corey Trevor

      Ya, but its the truth… if he wants to stay and is comfortable with a diminishing role without the high chance of a deep playoff run, great for us.
      If he wants a Cup, we would probably need to pay more to keep him around.

  • Hax

    I wouldn’t trade him if it were up to me. Too many years we had only 1 top 6 center (if that). I’m okay with having two plus a guy (Zibanejad) who looks like he might be capable as well.

    Having written that, I wouldn’t be overly upset if he was traded. Murray wouldn’t do it if Spezza was at Alfie-level of leadership and he won’t do it if he can’t get a fair return. Plus it’s pretty much the single move that could really shake things up and put the challenge to the rest of the boys. Not to mention it basically assures Bobby Ryan as our top line RW since with Spezza in town his line would always be considered the top line.

    I’d still want to keep Hemsky and even Michalek for the right contract and assuming the trainers think he’s got it in him to stay healthy.

    16-7-6
    9-93-83
    68-44?-61
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    • Joseph Paul

      Is Turris ready to be a first line centre? I realize he’s had a terrific year and is looking as if he’s a budding first liner but I shudder to imagine the team with him set as the #1 centre already. I feel Condra should also be a mainstay.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Man I just had a terrifying thought. This is off-topic from Spezza, but there seems to be growing speculation that Maclean will be axed at the end of the season. There have been rumors that there’s a disconnect between Murray and Maclean, and reports of Melnyk trying to have an input on how the team is coached.

    What if Melnyk has instructed Murray to fire Maclean and promote Dave Cameron? I honestly wouldn’t put it past Eugene to pull a stunt like that.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      If Murray fires another coach this franchise is a bigger farce than the globe trotters

    • whammer44

      While this is entirely possible…this is a bad thought and you should stop having them!

      • FistsofNeil25

        I know. Melnyk has created such a toxic environment around this team that it’s just almost first nature for me to assume the worst the days..

        Alfie leaving was a huge blow to my confidence in this organization under current ownership.

        • Zelle

          Always be wary of companies who promote friends and/or family to high level positions without proof of experience and success.

    • Zelle

      I hope they keep him. He hasn’t always made decisions I agree with but I have to believe that he was doing them with thoughts of long term planning. You can’t make long term plans with a new head coach every couple of years.

    • Sandy

      If that happens… they lose me as a fan and a STH.. I’d be done..

  • boom

    I just hope that, whatever decision they decide to make with regards to Spezza – it’s done respectfully. If Spezza has requested the Sens to guage interest, I hope that they manage to keep this as quiet as possible.
    I have, for the most part, been a defender of Spezza, particularly in this site, but I hope that even his detractors would agree that he deserves to be treated in a respectful manner. As the best center to ever play for this team, he has earned that much.

    • runningbear1974

      I agree completely, Spezza deserves to be treated with utmost respect…

  • Frank

    All I know is this: the summer of 2014 will be the most interesting in Sens’ history. This both excites and scares me at the same time…

  • Jordan Hendren

    Problem #1 – If Spezza wants to get traded, he has the NTC, and I doubt he’s going to want to go far from his family in Toronto, would we really consider trading Spezza within the division? If we can’t find a landing spot for him, we HAVE to re-sign him, because it would be a disaster to lose him for nothing, like set the franchise back 5 years level disaster.
    Problem #2 – If we do find a fit for Spezza, and he’s traded at the draft, we might as well write off contending for the playoffs next year. I don’t know about you all, but I have zero faith in the ability of Turris/Zibanejad/Smith to be able to carry enough of the load offensively without Vezina+ level goaltending. 62 points lost, that’s a lot to ask the players that are left to make up.
    Problem #3 – What kind of bush league, ass backwards organization trades their Captain ONE year after they annointed him? Ottawa’s reputation in the NHL community must have taken a bunch of hits in the offseason what with the Alfie fiasco, Melnyk’s money grubbing and whining. Do we really need the kind of PR diaster this would be? Not to mention we’d be cowtowing to the dirtbag fans that scream “Neil for Captain” at every opportunity. Do we really want to let them run the best #1 C we’ve ever had out of town?
    So no, I wouldn’t trade him. I would get him together with B.Ryan and work out long-term contracts. San Jose doesn’t seem to have a problem keeping their aging most creative center on contact, and they have Pavelski and Couture behind him. Why in the world couldn’t we make up 3 scoring lines too?

    • The Apostle

      Problem #4 if we do trade Spezza and don’t get back something very very good in return what does that do to our chances of re-signing Hemsky in the summer, but more importantly macArthur and Ryan a year from now.

      • Frank

        MacArthur and Ryan will be re-upped in the offseason if Spezza is traded. The Sens can’t go into next season with their Captain traded and their top 2 pending UFAs unsigned. It almost feels as if it’s a Ryan OR Spezza decision for Ottawa due to the Euge budget situation.

        • Jordan Hendren

          Yes but NHL players don’t just decide where to play hockey based upon Money. Look at Clarkson last year, we offered him more money, but he wanted to play in Toronto, so he signed for less.
          So where’s the incentive for Ryan and Hemsky to re-sign in ottawa when we’ve just traded our most creative offensive player? That means more focus and pressure on them to produce without an elite set-up man to help create those opportunities.
          Especially with Hemsky, he’s already stated how much he enjoys playing with Spezza. Is he going to want to put of UFA status to stay in Ottawa and play with a relative unknown in Zibanejad?

          • Frank

            I highly doubt Hemsky bases his decision to stay on whether or not Spezza is traded. If the Sens offer him a decent contract for good $$$, he will either sign or walk regardless. MacArthur and Ryan have already indicated they like it here and if the money is good, they’ll stay

          • Jordan Hendren

            The problem with this argument is that you’re assuming that the position of the organization and the role they’d be playing in it doesn’t factor immensely into their decision.

            MacArthur has something going good with Turris, and Turris is here long term, so I agree, if the money is good, he’ll stay.

            Ryan has said he likes it here, but be honest, what ELSE is he going to say when asked that question, he’s not going to burn bridges if he doesn’t have to. However, he also has a good thing going with Turris, and I hope that would influence him into staying if the money is right.

            Hemsky however, is already on record raving about how much he likes playing with Spezza, calling him the best C he’s ever played with, as well as talking about how Spezza’s off-season WILL factor into whether he decides to re-sign.

            So you’re Hemsky, Ottawa has just missed the playoffs, you’re about to go UFA and have your pick of 30 teams to play for, and Ottawa is going to get rid of the guy you played almost exclusively with, and had great chemistry with. Why in the world would you resign in Ottawa???

            Like it or not Elite centres, and the opportunity to play with them, are a draw for new players. When Bobby Ryan came into the organization, who was he excited to play with? It wasn’t Turris, it was Jason Spezza, because players want to play with elite talents.

          • Jonny

            Well said, then our coach decided to split them up after going more or less PPG in 10 games…

            I agree that MacArthur would probably stay, he seems to like it here and has chem with Turris and is often relied upon by PMAC but Ryan, who has had a rough go at it with PMAC not seeing eye to eye with him. Ryan might go elsewhere to get away from PMAC, let alone IF Spezza is sent packing.

          • runningbear1974

            My buddy insists that Bobby Ryan mentioned Turris first before mentioning Spezza… Ryan would have known Turris from playing against him…

          • Skeleton

            Players want to win. Players don’t care who they play with if they will win. That’s called hockey’s code of conduct and cliched answers. Of course Bobby Ryan is going to say he is excited to play with someone like Spezza because he was the new, but short-lived face of the franchise.

            Ask Bobby Ryan now if he wants to play with Turris or Spezza? He will say it doesn’t matter, I just want to win. Truth.

          • Frank

            You’re making way too much of the whole thing. Bottom line is, if the Sens make him an offer he feels is fair, he will consider it regardless. Trading Spezza won’t affect his decision as much as people think. And if he walks, so be it. People are acting like this guy is Wayne Gretzky. He’s an injury prone skilled player, nothing more

          • Cicero

            Your point is very astute and will sadly get buried in the comment thread!

          • Skeleton

            Hemsky doesn’t have clue what a good centerman is like, he’s been in Edmonton for so long.

            Ryan already gets the other teams best defenders against him as he plays with Turris and MacArthur on the Sens #1 line.

            Did you watch Hemsky play with Zibanejad?

            Hemsky is gone anyway with Spezza and Michalek.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      I have absolutely no problem being fat from the playoffs next season

    • Sandy

      San Jose’s owner probably has the $$$ to properly run an NHL team… The Sens don’t.

  • Stephen Renaud

    Lazar will be a BEAST in Ottawa. If we could I’d like to see Spezz traded to Phil for Simmonds and a 1st. If that makes sense. Keep Ryan and Hemsky. Gotta get a deep “d” man, responsible shut down player. Boyle maybe? Go Sens Go!

    • Sandy

      Lazar is a very good junior player.. But he hasn’t played a game of pro hockey yet.
      How about we wait to find out if he will be a beast..

  • iKarly65

    Hypothetically, if he was traded, and Anaheim an interested destination, then I would ask them for Silfverberg and OTT’s 2014 first round pick back.

    Then the trade ultimately ends up as Spezza + Noesen for Ryan

  • runningbear1974

    Sweet… I’ve been waiting for this opportunity…

    I’d like to start by saying i respect Spezza as a person… He is who he is, and i don’t hate him… Just like i don’t hate Kovalev, or the Sedins, good players, but if i was to put a cup winning team together…

    This is my new approach… If the sens fans want Spezza… If that’s who you want to be our identity… This is who you want to lead to the cup? Then, i’m going to have to choose a secondary team to cheer for, one that actually represents the things i value in hockey… It’s been too long for me with this identity…

    They said the same thing about Yashin… He’s our #1 centre, everyone is jealous of us, and want such a high quality player… What if he went to our rivals in Toronto?

    I have a huge list of deficiencies in the way that Spezza plays:
    - Insanity is sometimes defined in the doing the same thing and expecting different results…If so, he’s insane, he’ll make the exact same plays whether up or down a goal…
    - He has a hard time stopping and starting skating
    - He has never been accused of being the hardest worker on the ice
    - He’s one of the weakest on the team defensively
    - He’s almost terrible at penalty kill
    - Our powerplay is not great with him
    - He’s skating with his winger who has the puck, the winger falls down, there’s a turnover, and Spezza just keeps on attacking without the puck.
    - His partner is 5 ft away fighting hard for the puck, Spezza is standing there waiting… Not reaching in and helping…
    - He generally avoids commotions rather than skating towards them
    - He prefers to pass than to shoot
    - He prefers the boards to the center of the ice… He’s a center by the way, which means he’s OUT OF POSITION, and he’s slow to get back into position, increasing the ease of opposing team for counter-attacking… Every single play…
    - He prefers behind the net to in front of the net…
    - Spezza is also very easy to defend against… Smith, or Condra, or Pageau could easily shut down Spezza for an entire playoff series…
    - There are always pros and cons to the decisions you make, the types of choices Spezza makes are particularly bad against the particularly good teams, because they are best able to anticipate and then take advantage of his decisions…

    The reason I would trade Spezza is because the way he plays, and because i would want a different Identity as a team and organization… Go for less skilled (cost you less money), but go for determination, and work ethic… Macarthur and Stone stand out as 2 good examples of what we should aim for… Not Spezza, and not Hemsky…

    • SensChirp

      Ha. Not much of a sales pitch there runningbear

      • runningbear1974

        I believe his sales pitch is his points and his skill… Which everyone already mentions…

    • Jonny

      The list is doubled for the good he does for this team. You do know he is a career + 55. No you probably didnt.

      All you said can easily be countered by, 682 games, 683 points.

      • runningbear1974

        Detroit, Dallas, New Jersey, and Colorado were the top teams for a long time… Then, there was a bit of a lull… Tampa, Carolina, Anaheim won some cups… Meanwhile, other teams have been getting stronger… Boston, Pittsburgh, Chicago….
        The level of competition at the moment is a lot higher than it was back when Ottawa was doing good… There used to be 3-4 top teams… Now there are 5-6….
        I believe at the time, you could get free slice of pizza if scored 5 goals a game… They had to bump that up to 6 goals, because they were giving away too much pizza… So, you see, it was easy to score goals for us back then… Spezza, Hossa, Halvat, Alfie… Oh yeah, we didn’t win the cup with al l that skill either… Our identity back then Spezza, Hossa, Halval, Alfie… Not too too different then now, except for Turris, Zibanejad, and Bobby Fucking Ryan…

        • Jonny

          We scored goals cuz we had a great team, Spezza was a huge part of that, and yeah we didnt win the Cup with all that great talent and work ethic, so I dont see us winning it anytime soon with the 3rd line grinders we have filling out our roster, especially if Spezza is gone.

          • runningbear1974

            I don’t think we had great work ethic… It was a bit random… Spezza, Havlat…Does Phillips have great work ethic? Tough to tell, just enough i guess… Redden…
            I think if you look at our history we have mostly Skill as our identity, and every once and a while we have Speed, sometimes Toughness, never Smart though, never Gritty, never Willy, we rarely consistently outworked teams, that has not been our identity…
            Somehow need to get some of those attributes…

      • TookieIs100PercentRight

        Being a +55 when you have over 600 points isn’t exactly a selling point. It means he’s been on the ice for 600 more goals against than for…or at least 300+ considering powerplay time. Yikes!

        TOOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Spezza’s worth keeping, in my opinion. Turris plays well when he’s counted on to be the first, but even better when Spezza is in the lineup and not facing the pressure to be the “guy”.

    Can’t let go of him.

  • Dirtysweetness

    I really don’t think people are being realistic about the possible return for Spezza. Our best opportunity to trade him (for max trade value) was this past trade deadline while rival GMs were desperate. If he’s dealt at the draft this year, it’s for (I’m hoping) a mid to late first round pick and maybe a prospect.

    • Aaron 2.0

      Yikes, that would be painful. I would think that management would be looking for at least one roster player coming back the other way. No clue what his worth is. The trade market in this league really fluctuates in terms of player worth. UFA’s at this past deadline were so cheap (I was shocked).

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      Na we’d get more than that.

    • SensChirp

      Disagree. The list of teams that could accommodate him is longer in the off season than it is at the trade deadline. Tough deal for teams to make at that point in the season. Risky for contenders and no point for a team on the outside of the playoffs.

      Big deals happen at the Draft.

      • Aaron 2.0

        I think you’re absolutely right about the draft, Chirp. Probably won’t be able to draw you into this very, very early speculation (but I’ll try anyways), any clue what management would try to get back in terms of assets?

        • SensChirp

          Ya, I would just be guessing at this point.

          It’s going to be interesting though because in the end, he has that NTC and could hand pick a team. So, how long is the list of teams he’s willing to go to that will be legitimately interested? I have no idea.

          But the number of teams on that list will dramatically impact what Ottawa can expect to get in return.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Very, very good point. Hopefully, he gives us a few options if this is what’s indeed going down. I’m one of those on the fence types with Spezza. But, it really scares the hell out of me to think of a situation where we are hand-cuffed to some extent and cannot maximize any possible return.

            I think you’re right though, about how this could be time for both to sort of move on. Assuming that Spezza was open to being moved (maybe even asked to be shopped around), and this team will operate with a strict internal budget, it sort of makes sense. Add that we are probably still a few years away from being a bona fide contender (assuming the best in player development and asset management by the organization), and he starts sounding old. It’ll be a very, very interesting off-season.

          • Corey Trevor

            Not that Spezza is willing to go to the Peg, but does Kane for Spezza sound about right to you? Maybe something like Spezza, Gryba and a pick for Kane and Frolik? I can dream, can’t I?

    • http://www.hockeydrunk.com/ procdaddy

      I think the expectations should be Bobby Ryanish return. 1st round pick + prospects. That would also fit Melnyk’s budget if he could get a Silfverberg like player in return.

    • spezzerman

      I disagree. More than half the teams couldn’t have got him if they wanted to with their cap situations.

    • Pasky

      Look at what Vanek got traded for in November compared to the trade deadline. Yes, Snow is a bit of a retard but the market this year was over-saturated with forwards and we wouldn’t have gotten what we wanted then. This Draft Day might be a doosy though, if Spezza and Kesler are on the market.

  • Glencho

    I just hope Murray is only receiving the calls (which he should), not the one making them. It is going to be very tough to replace that kind of offensive production.

  • http://www.hockeydrunk.com/ procdaddy

    The face of the franchise is already set to Karlsson, so at this point, just make Karlsson happy. I don’t think Karlsson is Captain material just yet, but maybe 2-3 years away. I’d hate to lose Spezza, but over the past season or so (especially with Alfie leaving) I’ve learned to cheer for the logo on the front more than the name on the back.

    I think Spezza has been a heck of a Captain considering the offseason and season Ottawa has had. Let’s just hope that he doesn’t handcuff Murray ala Heatley or drag his feet ala Alfredsson, to get the best result for both parties involved.

  • my2sens

    My2sens:

    Being in our 3rd and final year of the ‘rebuild’ I want to keep Spezza. It does not make sense to me to trade a ppg player to add some youth and ‘potential’ good players. With Spezza we know what we get. Skill. Yes, he does come with risk, but with the proper defence shoring him up… winning!

    Second. Captaincy. I think it’s hard to set a value on who should/shouldn’t be captain. We all look at what the TEAM achieved this season and simply throw it on Spezza that he is NOT the right man for the job. Someone said this in an earlier post, but really, other than having a C stitched on his jersey… EVERYONE is a captain in their own right. And people NEED to stop comparing him to the previous guy… (name?). Should we simply throw the letter to EK65 because he is THE awesome?

    Third… IF he is traded.. to the West. He will destroy us if he is in the East. Nashville could be a good fit, they need someone like Spezza… although not sure who/waht we would get for a return.

    In either case #keepSpezz / #Sens4thecupin2014/2015

    • Skeleton

      QUOTE: “In either case #keepSpezz / #Sens4thecupin2014/2015″

      I like your use of this oxymoron in your final paragraph to let us know your entire post was sarcastic. Props to you.

  • Dirtysweetness

    I wonder if Boston will re-sign Iggy in the off season? He’s been great this year for them…might look nice in Ottawa as a quality veteran signing.

  • Skeleton

    It’s been quite telling to watch Spezza these last couple games. More invisible than usual and just coasting in his final games as a Sen. He has checked out just as much as the knowledgable fan has with his act.

    The quicker the Sens move on from him and lead with the players that play the right way, the better. I don’t need to name those players if you have been watching the games.

    • SensChirp

      I don’t agree with that assessment at all. Played some of his best hockey down the stretch. Looks a little tentative the last two games but I suspect that’s related to his latest injury.

      • Captain Karl

        So Chirp what are your thoughts on whether he should stay or go. For me, assuming we are not cup contenders for a few years at which time Turris, Zibby and Lazar will have plenty of time under their belts and our young d core will be also entering their prime it just makes sense to part ways.

        • SensChirp

          People keep asking the question, “Are the Sens willing to committ to
          Spezza long term?” but should also be asking “Is Spezza willing to
          committ to Ottawa long term?”

          • Captain Karl

            So are you saying that if we don’t commit to a long term contract that he would prefer to be moved?

          • Aaron 2.0

            It seems like a fair question for both sides, IMO.

          • runningbear1974

            Good point… I believe Spezza really knows what happened with Alfie… So, he might be pissed…

          • PraiseAlfie11

            Aahh…shades of Alfie. Remember everyone discussing how much he deserved then only to discover he wanted out.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            I think the question is equally fair going both directions….but ultimately Spezza holds the cards.

  • Dirtysweetness

    Chirp…..new poll…..who is most likely gone in the off season. Spezza or Mac?

    • Skeleton

      The vote should be 100% Spezza, so no point in doing a poll.

      • SuperSENS

        I doubt it. All of the Spezza trade talk over the years has been fabricated by the fan base. I’ve heard it year after year, and yet, nothing ever materializes in regards to it.

        I fully respect SensChirp’s assessment. However, as he points out, it was other teams calling about Spezza, not the Senators calling other teams. Furthermore, the ‘whispers’ about Spezza possibly asking for a trade again suggest that it’s an unverifiable rumor — and we all know how much truth are in the rumors around this team. :P

    • Jonny

      Well the disconnect seems to be between Management and Coaching so I would put my money on PMAC goes first.

  • Big Lue

    If Eugene keeps our internal cap where it is there is no way we can afford to sign an injury prone Spezza at $7M per season for the remainder of his career. He is a UFA and will want big money.

    These would be my criteria for a trade:

    -Trade him to a western team

    -Make it a hockey Deal (player for Player) no picks and prospects, we have enough

    -Have the main return be a Solid #2 Defenceman

    We desperately need a top defenceman, if trading Spezza gets us that I would be very happy.

    • Jonny

      He cant keep the cap where its at, its gonna go up? He’s gonna have to spend to make us competitive and as you can tell, the cap where its at right now is not very competitive.

      • Big Lue

        He can’t keep it where its at?…. Try telling Eugene that. $100 says we don’t spend any more in 2015 than we did in 2014.

      • Big Lue

        I totally agree, Eugene **SHOULD** spend more to make us competitive. But as I said I don’t believe he **WILL**. All the comments he’s made such as “Lots of teams spend to the Cap and still don’t make the playoffs” indicate that he won’t any time soon and we will only spend $56M out of the $70M Salary cap for many seasons to come.

  • NickofTime

    I’d be surprised, no amazed if they were to trade Spezza especially after just making him captain & I’ve never been a Spezza suporter. I would think they would have to get a pretty good “young player” return like an Ryan O’Riely, Evander Kane or Eric Gubranson but I’m not sure any of those teams who are also trying to build with youth would trade away their good young players fot an older depreciating good player.

    • Skeleton

      Murray needs to make some tough decisions and needs to shed his loyalty DNA in this case.

  • Don Ciccio

    For me it all boils down to what Ottawa is willing to pay to keep Spezza around because you can’t afford to lose him for nothing once he becomes a UFA. Is Ottawa willing to spend 7 mil for 7yrs on Spezza? A budget team like Ottawa can’t afford to make the mistake of signing someone to such big term and money only to have him sitting in the press box because of inury.
    To maximize the return on Spezza, you have to trade him this summer while he is healthy because if you wait until next trade deadline his value will have gone way down as we have witnessed this year with the returns of Hemsky and Vanek. I for one love Spezza and love what he has done for this franchise and make no mistake that, he has been the best centre this franchise has ever had. Having said this, Ottawa has a tough decision to make this summer that can affect this franchise for years to come.

    • SuperSENS

      Just curious, where did the amount and term for the contract come from? I’m all for idle speculation about what contract Spezza might demand and what contract the team would be willing to accept, but it seems like everyone is jumping to the conclusion that: a) he’s going to demand a contract identical to his previous one, b) he’d be unwilling to accept a deal with lesser term and/or lesser money, and c) the team would be unwilling to accept a deal that would pay him the same as what he’s getting now. There’s really been no indication about anyone’s intentions regarding his future. Until we know more, it feels like the fan base is working itself up into a frenzy over possibly nothing.

      • Don Ciccio

        It is all speculation of course……Next year Spezza will be a UFA so what do you think he will get on the open market? You better believe that this being that it might be his last contract, he will want term and dollars considering he has a history with his back. He will try to maximize while he can.

        • SuperSENS

          On the open market, I don’t doubt that there is a GM willing to give him whatever he wants, as that’s pretty much always been the case in the league. I’m not surprised he’d want to try to get the best deal possible for himself, as that’s pretty much true in any negotiation.

          What I struggled to try to argue earlier was that contract negotiations haven’t even begun, and already everyone is suggesting that he has no interest in remaining with the team after next season or presuming that the Senators can’t afford/don’t want to resign him. I’m not convinced of either scenario at this point, since we really have nothing firm to go on.

          With the tough season that Spezza had, failing to live up to even his own expectations, it’s not hard to envision a scenario where, out of frustration, he lets Murray know that he’s open to him exploring the possibility of trading him if it would benefit the team. I don’t think Murray would be actively looking to trade his #1 center otherwise, or really seriously entertain any unsolicited offers either. But that said, whatever his feelings at that point were, are not necessarily his feelings today.

          Anyways, I guess we’ll find out what happens in the offseason soon enough. :)

  • Jason

    Can someone answer this hypothetical question for me. If we were to win our final 4 games and Detroit lost it’s final 4 games we would be tied with identical records. So from what I understand the first tiebreaker formula is record against the other team, so we’re 2-2 against Detroit, still tied. The next tie breaking formula is goal differential, it’s tied again 13-13.
    So in this situation, what is the next tie breaking formula to determine who gets the wild card spot. I know it’s not going to happen but I was looking at it and I was interested.

    • Skeleton

      Whichever team has Jason Spezza on it, wins the final tiebreaker. It would be Jason’s first ever thing he has done to lead his team to a championship.

      Jason 3:16

    • Corey Trevor

      First tie breaker is ROW (regulation and overtime wins), then head to head (tied 2-2), then goal diff. on the season… we’re -35 and DET is -11, so that’s that.

    • Skeleton

      But to answer honestly (without checking your stats):

      If two or more clubs are tied in points during the regular season, the standing of the clubs is determined in the following order:

      The fewer number of games played (i.e., superior points percentage).

      The greater number of games won, excluding games won in the Shootout. This figure is reflected in the ROW column.

      The greater number of points earned in games between the tied clubs. If two clubs are tied, and have not played an equal number of home games against each other, points earned in the first game played in the city that had the extra game shall not be included. If more than two clubs are tied, the higher percentage of available points earned in games among those clubs, and not including any “odd” games, shall be used to determine the standing.

      The greater differential between goals for and against for the entire regular season. NOTE: In standings a victory in a shootout counts as one goal for, while a shootout loss counts as one goal against.

  • Andrews theory

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    • Captain Karl

      I would rather have OEL but Yandle would also be good

      • Andrews theory

        I think the only way you get EOL is by moving EK

    • Cicero

      Zbyněk Michálek! We need a top-4 defensive D….if we don’t re-sign Milan, maybe not lol

      • Andrews theory

        Coyotes better be sweetening that pot…

  • Andrews theory

    Love him or hate him for his playing style, everyone would agree that Spezza is a fantastic contributor to this city and a stand up individual.

    • Captain Karl

      Agreed

    • Skeleton

      Fantastic contributor to this city, yes….a stand up individual, no. I don’t know anyone that has said that other than his brother.

      • SuperSENS

        Just curious, what’s your issue with saying he’s a ‘stand up individual’?

        • Skeleton

          No need to bash him publicly – other than his on-ice play – which he is subject to from fans by being a professional athlete. I’m taking the high road on a public forum when it comes to personal details.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            In other words I am talking out of my ass.

            I used to live a block from him when he was on Island Park and he was great in the community, always took time to say hello to the kids, bought lemonade from my daughter a bunch of times.

          • Skeleton

            I said he was great in the community.

          • Skeleton

            I said he wasn’t a stand-up individual. My definition could be very different than yours there and I respect that.

          • Lucretia

            Why so bitter?

          • Skeleton

            I’m not bitter. Just stating that I like the Sens and want them to win.

            Name me a team that Spezza won a championship with? Go back to his peewee days if you want.

            If you can honestly tell me that you think in todays NHL you can win with a player like Spezza making 7+ million dollars, I don’t know what else we can talk about.

            The time to trade Spezza is now or he walks for nothing in 2015.

            Spezza will end up being the bitter one when he hears all the boos next season. He asked for a trade this season, wait until you see what happens if he is on the roster next year? He could end up being the most hated player in Ottawa and that is saying a lot. A lot. This could get messy if Murray can’t shed his loyalty to Spezza. This is on Murray to deal with.

          • Sandy

            Spengler Cup.. But then you will say that means nothing.

          • Skeleton

            No, you said it. You must have a guilty conscience for even typing Spengler Cup.

            That’s how sad it is. That is his only championship and he even played 3rd fiddle on that lockout-aided Team Canada. He didn’t lead squat on that team.

          • runningbear1974

            Opportunity for a joke… Spezza threw vinegar in your daughter’s eyes, he sounds like a monster…

          • SuperSENS

            Okay. No offense, but why even bring it up then?

          • Jonny

            I doubt whatever you say here will ever have any legs.

      • Andrews theory

        how about the majority of players in the NHL? he’s been one of the most liked and respected players in the league for a long time.
        what is your definition of “stand up individual”

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Am really curious of this too…Well respected on the team, in the league, for the most part by media.

          • Skeleton

            The media would never dare delve into the personal lives of players. They know their role. As bad as the media is in Ottawa, they would never cut their own throat.

            Players know Spezza as someone who loves the game and has fun doing it. Respect isn’t the right word here. But, give the man a break, if it wasn’t for hockey who knows what Jason Spezza would be and I laugh at what his bro Matt would do without Jason.

            This is true for the majority of players in the NHL, but Spezza is probably the leader in this category for once in his life.

          • SensChirp

            Ha. I’m not sure what you’re getting at here but maybe just leave it be.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            He knows but won’t say chirp….it would destroy the space time continuum

            Don’t let it happen!

          • Skeleton

            I’ve never given details and won’t.

          • Andrews theory

            its never fun telling people a guy slept with yer mom :-(

          • Andrews theory

            pretty sure the media was all over Karlsson’s personal life during his divorce which is why he shut them out..

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Hahahahaahah the ottawa media knows their role.

            I don’t think I have ever read something funnier.

          • Andrews theory

            Well Garioch does know his way around the buffet.
            Murray Wilson introduced me to him one time in Montreal, quite the guy lol…

          • Jonny

            Ya no kidding, obviously Skeleton isnt from Ottawa or doesnt know our media much.

          • Skeleton

            They 100% know their role. Bash the players all you want for their play, where they were picked, their pedigree, but do not mention what I do when I’m with my friends in a club, bar or restaurant or away from the game or my commitments to the team.

      • aegiszx

        Gonna have to agree with Skeleton here, great contributor to the city but as per his personal life… ya…. no. I’d rather not shed details either, but he’s far from a stand-up individual.

        • Skeleton

          Thank you. Giving details isn’t going to help anyone and that is why the media doesn’t do it either.

          • whammer44

            Also agreeing with you, as I’m aware as well. Lots of things about individual players don’t and shouldn’t get reported.

  • Roar…

    So basically, this article in summary says “He may, or may not get traded” – not quite as flammable as the whole “This is Jason Spezza’s swan song as an Ottawa Senator” there Chirp ;).

    Sens org knows they likely lose Hemsky if they don’t sign Spezza. If Hemsky could be a 60+ point player who signs at a reasonable $ figure to play with Spezza that’s quite a lot to be giving up.

    Somehow need to brainwash Hemmer to still stay if the right deal comes along for Spez. Honestly though, I have trouble seeing Ottawa get offered enough for them to make the move worthwhile. It also says a lot about the franchise than now Spezza wants to leave to. How long before Karlsson is sick of our owner too?

    • Captain Karl

      except that Hemsky played just as well with Zibby. Sometimes you just need to move on

    • Jonny

      Just a matter of time. Karlsson looks up to Spezza, imagine how he would feel if Spezza was traded…2 of his best buds gone.

    • SensChirp

      Really seems like everybody is missing the key part of this post….

      • Andrews theory

        Is this code for “someone please get cement boots for the owner?”

      • runningbear1974

        Spezza asked to check out interest in him…

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Definitely not missed…But I hope that if he wants out(and frankly I don’t blame him AT ALL) he doesn’t Heatley us and allows Murray to get the best possible deal.

        Rumors flying again that E Kane wants out of Win

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Does he have a full NTC?

      • Roar…

        If your point is that Spezza maybe wants out. He’s openly said he sometimes disagrees with P-Mac’s philosophy and maybe he doesn’t like what the owner did to Alfie. Thing is, he accepted the captaincy here. He did that with a long-term plan in mind. So, if a lot can change in a year, a lot can also change in a summer of sitting down and reflecting on where this team is going.

    • runningbear1974

      Hemsky has played ok… I prefer MacArthur to Hemsky… Cheaper too… And, probably will score you more important goals… I think MacArthur is much more dependable than Hemsky… I mean that with respect to their style of play… Work hard vs skill…

  • Flo Action

    I thought there was to be a monster of an article about spezza. this is pretty much what everyone already knows. just isn’t a point in really discussing it until the season is over. they either ship him out or management has lost the plot

  • Cicero

    Maybe Eugene Melnyk was misquoted: The Sens are *bye’ers* not sellers.

    Bye, Alfie.
    Bye, Jason.

  • SuperSENS

    Sorry SensChirp, but I’m not convinced. It doesn’t add up.

    While I have no doubt that teams were inquiring about Spezza’s services at the trade deadline, if the Senators were willing to part with him at the deadline but couldn’t find a suitable deal, why would they go out and acquire Hemsky to play with him for the remainder of the season? Our chances for making the playoffs were already a long shot at that point, and the Hemsky deal was framed as a tryout for next season rather than a rental player. It doesn’t seem like something in keeping with Melnyk’s supposed tight budgetary restraints to spend money for a linemate for Spezza, if they were going to likely trade Spezza in the summer.

    Furthermore, if the Senators were willing to part with him at the deadline and are willing to part with him this summer, what changed their minds during the season? I mean, last summer, they clearly had confidence in him by naming him the next captain of the franchise, which is the kind of position that you want continuity in from season to season. He hasn’t been injured for any extended period of time this season, and he’s still the second highest point producer on the team. Why the sudden change of heart?

    As you point out, he seems to have done everything he could as a leader on and off the ice, while playing some of his best hockey down the stretch. He’s taken full responsibility for the fact that his play at the start of the season wasn’t up to his own high expectations for himself. As it wasn’t meant to be for Ottawa this season, the blame clearly lies not exclusively on Spezza (despite the suggestions by a few individuals on here).

    Lastly, while Spezza health is an ongoing issue, there’s been on indication about the kind of contract that he’s seeking with the team or the kind of contract that the team is willing to offer. It seems like everyone is presuming that he’ll want a contract identical to his existing one, and that the Senators wouldn’t be willing to offer anything he’d accept. Let’s not forget that the team was willing to keep the older Phillips on the backlogged defense, while his career is in serious decline, to the tune of 2.5 million per year.

    Based on everything above, it seems far from certain that the Senators are intent on exploring trading Spezza this summer.

    • SensChirp

      Hemsky was brought in because they might want to retain him regardless of what Spezza does. Especially if they expect Michalek to go to free agency.

      And in terms of what changed? He asked.

      • SuperSENS

        Afraid of losing a left winger to free agency (Michalek), they acquire a right winger (Hemsky) who’s going to be a free agent too this summer, and at the same time, possibly trading the premier center (Spezza) who would be the main attraction for Hemsky sticking around, all because he asked … uh okay.

        • SensChirp

          Just adding a skilled winger because they’ll likely be losing one.

          And trading said premier centre because he asked them to explore possibilities.

          • SuperSENS

            Okay, but what incentive does Hemsky have to sign here though, if Michalek and Spezza are both gone? He’s already played with a bunch of young inexperienced players for linemates with the Oilers, and we all know his feelings about it. It’d be a tough sell to put it mildly.

          • SensChirp

            I agree

          • SuperSENS

            Just wondering, did the whisperers know or hint at the reason behind why Spezza would consider a trade?

          • SensChirp

            Everyone just keeps saying, “it’s time”. I just don’t think either side has any interest in committing to the other long term which makes this summer the right time to make a trade.

      • Andrews theory

        Hemsky has looked awfully good when paired with Zibanejad…

  • my2sens

    Another question… CAN we trade him.

    We let Alfie walk (or whatever the story is).
    Heatley demands trade (no loss there, but still)
    Chara walks for nothing

    I am afraid if we trade Spezza we may lose some identity within our organization scaring away talent.

    Would Ryan and Hemsky really re-sign here if…

    • Skeleton

      Who cares what Hemsky does?

      Ryan will do what he wants but knows he has a good thing in Ottawa and Turris? Hockey is a business though, who knows?

      I’d be more afraid about our identity with Jason Spezza as our leader than without him…and you should be too.

      • Jonny

        Who else would you name Captain after only a year of Spezza? And also how to do it without losing all credibility as an Org…

        • my2sens

          That’s just it… same goes for firing The Walrus. Doesn’t happen without losing credibility.

          • Jonny

            Ya but its less of a hit, especially if players or management dont get along with him. As far as I know, Spezza is well liked in the room and as Captain.

    • Skeleton

      Nobody that wants to win, would have Jason Spezza on the tip of their tongue when it comes to choices to play with. That is undisputed.

      Bobby said it because he knows he had to and it was the only choice he had. It was a trade and there is a chain of command to follow when asked certain questions. He would say Turris if asked again or he’d say it didn’t matter, he just wanted to win.

    • son of a Diefenbaker

      the thing that’s going to “scare away talent” is the loon who owns the team

  • John_Q_Spartan

    I think trading Spezza would be beneficial for the organization in the long run.

    • Skeleton

      I agree.

    • my2sens

      How so? We just finished our rebuild for the future…

      I do not want a young team a la Oilers…

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        It was a “3 year rebuild” which would if I am not mistaken leave this offseason to finish it.

        I also wouldn’t mind a young team like Colorado though.

        • The Apostle

          Or Chicago

          In 2012/13 the Blackhawks had the 3rd lowest roster average age.

      • Andrews theory

        I really believe they will bring in some veteran leadership if Spezza is moved.

        • my2sens

          Ok. Veteran leadership is great, but will they bring a ppg resume? Who else do we get for?

    • Jonny

      Not really, depends what you get for him. Anything less than equal value and its not beneficial at all.

      • Skeleton

        I beg to differ.

        So many lesser players I would take that would actually improve our team on many different levels.

        System, roles, accountability, cohesiveness, leadership, etc

  • Disqus Downvote

    Skeleton expert
    Number one Spezza hater
    Anyone seen Jacques?

    • Garrioch’s reliable source

      or Tookie – the former number one Spezza lover ?

    • Skeleton

      I am far from Spezza’s #1 hater, but the Sens need to move on from him if they want to win and this offseason is the time to do so, unless you want him to walk away for nothing.

      The time is now.

      Spezza will not re-sign here, he has already asked for a trade and he hears the criticism of him which will only get worse next season if he is still here. At that point he walks for nothing.

      The time is now.

      Your call Murray?

    • Zelle

      Skeleton doesn’t sound anything like Jacques

  • Dirk-Diggler

    What about getting Kane and Buff from Winnipeg… What would it cost?

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Been wanting this for ages….only problem would be Spezza waiving to go there.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Not for Spezza… for other stuff… I am in the keep Spezza club

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Ohh, not sure we would have enough that they would want to pull it off without a fairly large piece like Spezza

  • Zelle

    I was OK with keeping Spezza on the team with the addition of Hemsky and his change in positioning recently. If he is asking to see which other teams are interested though, then it’s probably time for him to move on, even if that means losing Hemsky. If a guy is asking about outside interest then he already has the seed of doubt in his mind that he wants to make the Ottawa Senators his team. Not exactly what I’d like in a Captain. If the rumors are false though and he is committed then I don’t see why they would trade.

  • Garrioch’s reliable source

    Spezza for Kadri

  • Mclovin

    All this talk about a ppg player…Ya close to a ppg player and -25 this season. I agree, we won’t replace his offense in a trade…but if his back is not allowing him to play in the defensive end, I’ll take a 0.7ppg player who is +20.

    Boston seems to have done just fine with guys less than a ppg who are responsible defensively.

    • Sensturion

      Boston wins without a PPG by grinding the hell out of the stars or injuring them. If a team does make it past the 4 grinding lines, the go up against a grinding D and then a Vezina caliber goaltender. It’s not pretty hockey but it’s damn effective.

      • Zelle

        Well it worked last season against the Habs.. haha.

  • Cicero

    Spezza polarizes the fanbase, this blog being a pretty clear indicator. Bsaed on what I’ve learned from you good folks, if this rumour mill is to stop grinding, the Sens must publically affirm the captaincy and leadership of Jason Spezza before the June draft. They need to focus on working out a long-term deal with him to silence the rumours. It would have to happen hand-in-hand with Spezza holding a press conference to also affirm his commitment to supporting the growth of this young team.

    This past season must be seen as not a bump, but as a soul-searching growth opportunity for the Sens. Look at the way the team gelled after Dec. 23rd (OTT 5 – PIT 0), putting together a 20-game (13-7) run that put the team back into the playoff picture. (After the Olympic break, the wheels fell off. I don’t think the break was a good time to bake in the Turks and Caicos sun — it was a time to practice, work on discipline, and maintain an edge. I blame management for that one.)

    Instead of personnel overhauling, the Sens need to adjust for deficiencies and focus on team defense. Making it about dumping Maclean or Spezza is just destructive, since to do either is to destroy everything gained from the adversity of this past season.

    The unknown factor in all of this is the corporate culture and suggestion that the atmosphere is toxic. This should concern everyone, but the only practical response is a new owner. That matter is so far beyond my scope of understanding, I’ll just leave it at that. But perhaps if EM sniffs something in the wind about that, he too could adjust and learn.

    What we can control, however, is the atmosphere that the fans create. Hopefully, it’s not witch-hunt upon missing the playoffs. I guess that’s why I feel it’s good to affirm Spezza now and not let my disappointment cloud my judgment.

  • A-Train

    I’ve always been a big Spezza fan. It’s easy to see a scenario where he’d be traded and like Chirp says, the signals are out there.

    One thing I hope is we can somehow get something special back … a difference-maker, not a bunch of spare parts. That would be a drag.

  • son of a Diefenbaker

    the team desperately needs a 30 year old Gonchar type player going forward
    if trading JS19 (and a spare part ?) gets it done – then do it

  • SuperSENS

    Lots of ‘new’ accounts showing up today on here … hmm …

    • SensChirp

      Pretty sure it’s all jacques but it’s tricky to prevent that sort of thing.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        So that assclown is making a tonne of accounts to make it look like he has people that agree with him….unreal.

        Just block his freaking IP already lol

        • s3nsfan

          Go to ottawasun.com sens articles there are a couple good “ass clowns” as you so articulately put.

      • SuperSENS

        Yeah, trolls are the worst. I’m sure you’re doing the best you can :)

        If it’s actually new people, then welcome! Sorry for my suspicious nature.

        • A-Train

          It’s funny. I don’t really think Jacques is a troll. When I think troll I think of a guy who puts up stuff he doesn’t 100% even believe himself but knows will get others riled up.

          I think Jacques believes in his own genius. Almost scarier.

          • SuperSENS

            Point taken. :)

          • son of a Diefenbaker

            yeah – I agree
            Jacques posts too much but his message is pretty much
            “I love young players and prospects and hate old ones”
            His is just one fan’s opinion

          • Doc

            You forgot to add that Bingo players > NHL players.

          • Zelle

            That is in fact the true purpose of a troll. Essentially they try to stir trouble, create flame wars, and purposely post things that they know, or think they know, will create this atmosphere.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Honestly I would rather read 400 spezzafan19 posts.

        If Spezzafan19 posted 400 times I would rather read that.

        400 posts from Spezzafan19 would be easier to weed through.

        I think spezzafans posting 400 times is better than Jacques.

        • SuperSENS

          I’ve only been here a few months, but already, it’s easy to tell who all the ‘regulars’ are. Sure, there’s a few new people that pop up that contribute something, but I’ve noticed a lot of new names and my suspicious nature makes me question things.

          Hopefully, the only rotten thing in the state of Denmark is eggs that someone left out on the kitchen counter :)

        • The Apostle

          Well crafted sir.

  • Nick

    the problem of meaning are at the defensive. Thus, we can exchange Spezza against a very hopeful defense. I would see a good eye a transaction sending Spezza in Anaheim against Hampus Lindholm or Shea Theodore. I love Lindholm, a large Swedish defenseman 6 “3, which is very reminiscent of Erik Karlsson, but with less defensive shortcomings. Here’s what would alignment.:

    MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
    Michalek-Zibanejad-Hemsky
    Hoffman-Lazar-Stone
    Greening-Smith-Neil

    Karlsson-Lindholm
    Cowen-Ceci
    Méthot-Borowiecki

    Lehner
    Anderson

    ***sorry for my bad english, I am able to read, but I use google translation to write lol

    • A-Train

      That’s a pretty nice lineup. But like this whole Spezza discussion I am worried about what happens in the event of a Turris and/or Zibanejad injury.

      • Nick

        you’re right, but I think injuries are left hockey … With Turris and Zibanejad health, we can see further! And if they ever get hurt, we have good players to Bingo that can do the job, as Pageau, DaCosta and Prince.

      • Sandy

        Connor McDavid..

    • boom

      That’s ok, even with imperfect english, you make more sense than some of us…

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Hahahahahaha awesome

    • Nick

      I live in Quebec and all French sites only speak Habs … I do not have the choice to go to the English site to talk about my team.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Feel free to post man…it is pretty easy to understand!

        • Nick

          All right, thanks bud !

      • SensChirp

        Bienvenue!

        • Nick

          Merci !

      • Doc

        Bienvenue mon ami. On est quelques uns à parler Français (je viens de Gatineau), mais on parle quand même anglais sur le site.

        C’est toujours le fun de savoir qu’on est pas seul!

        • Nick

          Merci, je viens de Gatineau aussi et je m’étais créé un compte sur le Grand Club de RDS, mais j’ai rapidement compris que les membres du Grand Club ne s’intéressait pas aux Sénateurs! Je suis content d’avoir trouvé un site où il semble avoir beaucoup si de fans des Sens !

          • Doc

            Tu vas être bien ici. À part quelques uns qui aime brasser les choses, la plupart des membres ont de bonnes connaisances et aiment discuter de l’équipe.

            Oublie RDS. C’est juste des fans des Habs, et la plupart ne comprennent rien. Pourri comme endroit!

          • Nick

            Ouais, pas facile de défendre ses intérêts sur RDS quand tu es en minorité flagrante ! J’ai eu plusieurs débats sur RDS contre des fans des Habs qui aiment toujours faire brasser les choses! Je suis habitué lol

          • Doc

            Y’aura pas de ça ici, je te l’assure!

          • Zelle

            C’est beau de voir d’autre français qui aime les Sénateurs. Je viens de l’est ou c’est remplis de fan des Leafs ou des Habs. Maintenant je vis à Ottawa mais il y a quand mêmê trops de Leafs et Habs fans, je ne peux pas les èchaper! haha

          • Nick

            Hahaha, moi j’aime bien cette rivalité! Je mets fièrement mon drapeau des Sens sur mon char et prends bien soin de sortir ma main par la fenêtre est pointé mon pouce vers le bas quand je croise une voiture qui revêtît un drapeau des Habs LOL

          • Murray_is_a_GENIUS

            BIENVENUE CHEZ SENSCHIRP!
            Beaucoup de bonnes opinions et peu de censure!
            GO SENS!
            TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Nick

            Merci !

    • son of a Diefenbaker

      Hey Nick – your google English is better than my French or German
      It’s always nice to hear from a new poster who’s done some decent analysis
      hope you hang around

    • Lorenzo72

      I don’t see Patrick Wiercioch. Do you think, we don’t need him?

      • Nick

        Patrick Wiercioch and Eric Gryba have not done their job this year … they were often left out and they never really managed to gain the trust of MacLean. Gryba is relatively reliable defensively, but it is atrocious output area when it comes time to make the first pass. In terms of Wiercioch, it has nice offensive skills, but he is a defender who is not involved physically (despite its 6 “5) and often lose battles along the boards … I think Murray has also thrown in the towel in the case of Wiercioch and Gryba, since we know that they have both been offered Michael DelZotto …

    • SuperSENS

      Good lineup.

      However, if Spezza is traded, I’m not convinced Hemsky will sign here, unless there’s another quality center coming back in the trade. Of course, if Michalek is resigned, then maybe that’s enough to convince Hemsky. I guess we’ll find out soon enough, however this plays out.

    • Zelle

      I should probably do my own research on this but I’m going to ask anyway: since we are so deep at center, what are our choices for LW players that are considered to be centermen, whether in Ottawa or Bingo?

      • Nick

        Je ne suis pas certain de comprendre ta question

        • Zelle

          Je n’est pas de clavier francais, alors pardonne mes erreurs. Je suis simplement curieuse quel choix qu’on les Senators pour des joueurs qui jouent principalement centre mais qui pourrait etres placer a l’aile gauche.

          • Nick

            Le seul joueur de centre qui est capable de jouer à l’aile, est Mika Zibanejad… Cependant, j’ai eu plusieurs occasions de le voir jouer à cette position et on voyait clairement qu’il ne semblait pas à l’aise !

            Ensuite, je penses que Lazar peut être utilisé à l’aile aussi, mais sa position naturelle est bien sur au centre.

  • A-Train

    So having two Captains, both career Senators and generally respected players around the league leave the team in consecutive summers.

    Honest question: How bad is that for the organization?

    • Sensturion

      Pretty bad IMO.

      • A-Train

        Me too, especially in the current context of the team. If you are blowing the roster, hiring a new coach and maybe a new GM, sure. But that’s not where we are.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Well we might be…

          • A-Train

            I doubt it. I don’t think that’s what Murray signed his extension to do. And if so, really wish we hadn’t just re-signed Phillips (in the context of a big roster blow-up, that is).

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            At this point I wouldn’t be at all shocked to see any or all of

            Spezza
            Neil
            Philips
            Michalek
            Cowen
            Bryan Murray
            Maclean
            Asst Coaches

            Gone by next year…some are obviously more likely than others. Personally I hope Maclean is kept, the asst are gone, he is allowed to pick his guys. Spezza I say is 50-50 at this point, but if he isn’t moved I highly doubt he resigns after his contract so we will have dropped the ball again.

          • A-Train

            No matter how disfunctional the Sens get, I don’t think they’d sign Phillips to a 2-year extension at the deadline then trade him in the summer.

            But you’re right….these are uncertain times.

            And actually, if they are going to trade Spezza a full-scale rebuild might be more exciting than trying to retool the Sens back into a 7-8 team.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Agreed 100% and if there is a season to try and compete for a top 3 pick this is it(not advocating tanking, just stating that this is going to go down as one of the top drafts ever I suspect).

          • SuperSENS

            Here’s my hope:
            GONE – Assistant coaches
            LIKELY GONE – Michalek
            DEMOTE – Phillips (to the 3rd pairing or 7th defenseman, please)
            KEEP – Neil, Paul MacLean
            KEEP UNLESS UPGRADE AVAILABLE IN TRADE – Spezza, Cowen

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Wouldn’t be at all upset if that is how it went down(ideally Philips to #7)

    • son of a Diefenbaker

      Eugene Melnyk = Charles Wang 2.0

      • SuperSENS

        Nah, nobody can top Charles Wang.

    • John Q. Spartan

      Not that bad. Alfredsson left of his own free will, and as a 40+ player his days are severely numbered anyways. If they traded Spezza it wouldn’t be for nothing, and there is a very good chance he would walk at the end of next season…

      Can’t lose him for nothing, that’s for sure.

    • The Apostle

      Ask Tampa.

      Doesn’t seem to be hurting them.

      • A-Train

        Tampa benefits from playing in a market with less hockey IQ and fewer reporters covering the team. There’s also the weather factor which is a draw. But even with that: are FA’s beating down the door to play for Tampa?

  • Doc

    Hey Chirp. Haven’t had the chance to read all 250 comments, but I’m starting to think that Spezza might actually want out ‘à la Alfie’. There have been too many rumours about discontent around some of the players.

    Does management want to roll with the young guys? Seeing as how the budget still seems to be an issue?

    I’ve always been a Spezza supporter. He’s one special player and we will surely miss him if (when?) he’s gone. But I wouldn’t be against trading him if the right package comes along.

    There’s just something missing in all of this, and I can’t quite put my finger on it…

    • SensChirp

      Well that part is right in the post! Don’t even need to read all the comments.

      • Doc

        I get that, but I mean besides him asking about interest from around the league. Is there anything else?

        I know that he hasn’t seen eye-to-eye with the coach all year, but I have the same feeling I had at the end of last season. There’s something else going on, and we probably won’t know about it until all of this gets settled.

        I don’t think it’s about the coach…

        • A-Train

          I think some of these older stars want some kind of assurance when they sign that the team is committed to spending the cash to build a contender in the short-to-mid term.

          If they can’t get a straight “yes” to that question, it’s natural to quietly ask if there’s interest from a true contender (Anaheim, St.Louis).

  • Mat

    People are quick to forget that the almighty God himself, Alfie, was both criticized for his leadership, was injury prone and was the lightning rod of criticism for some time. He wasn’t anointed God from the get go. I think a change in culture and leadership takes time and Spezza could benefit from a bit more. To me, he is a class act who has always said and done the right things for the organization. I do not question his integrity or leadership.

    Does he frustrate me at times? Heck yeah. But that’s what you get with a high risk, high reward player. There are only a handful of Bergerons, Toews’ and Crosby’s and as far as I can tell, no one is looking to get rid of them.

    I could live with Spezza on the team for another few years IF it were some sort of a home town discount AND if Spezza was agreeable to the idea of a demotion to the 2nd/3rd line down the line, in the best interest of the team.

    One thing is for certain, I would not let Spezza go for nothing.

    • s3nsfan

      Yeah but will he take, being over 30, a reduced term contract of 3/4 years. I don’t know about that and how committed can you, do you want to be, to a 30+ y/o player with 2 back surgeries?

      • Mat

        Alfie had serious back issues at various point in his career.

        • s3nsfan

          Back surgery in 2011, when he was almost 40. Spezza is 30 and had it twice. I personally like Spezza, but believe if you can get value for him, move him.

  • Samuel Richard Wakefield

    I love Spezza and the senators took a step back this year but we are close to becoming very competitive. The only way we should trade is not for prospects, not for picks but for a number 2/3 defenseman.

  • Samuel Richard Wakefield

    With spezza gone our lines are very good (if hemsky resigns and as well as for michalek)
    16-7-6
    9-93-83
    68-44-61
    14-15-22

    • A-Train

      A lot of “if” in that lineup. I know people are getting tired of hearing the “PPG player” argument, but taking one out of the lineup is dicey. Can Macarthur repeat his career year? Is Turris still trending up….or settling into what he really is? Can Zibanejad provide enough offence? Pageau? Stone? Hoffman?

      • Samuel Richard Wakefield

        Yeah I agree. We took a risk on our young dman this year and we aren’t making the playoffs. But turris is a #1 and mac has looked good all year, which isn’t a fluke. Zbad has some amazing talent and is only 22. Stone looks better every game. I am willing to take that risk. Because I don’t think it is one.

        • A-Train

          Turris: love him, but is he a #1 on a contender…or even a team that wins 2 rounds? Could you really see that?

          As good as Turris has been this year remember that if Spezza is in the lineup, teams need to adjust accordingly or else risk getting dangled to death.

          • Samuel Richard Wakefield

            Turris is a different player from spezza and I really think he would be the number one in Boston or St Louis

          • A-Train

            You think David Krejci and David Backes are awake at night worried Kyle Turris could take their jobs?

            C’mon dude.

          • Samuel Richard Wakefield

            Easily comparable in my opinion

          • Jonny

            LMAO…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Spezza wouldn’t take either of their jobs either.

          • Zelle

            Backes’ only worry at night is how many players he’s going to hit next game. Love that guy. Would love Turris to be more like him, but he’s not physical enough. Not sure if that will ever be in his game. I’d like it to be though.

          • Sandy

            Over Bergeron or Backes? I love Turris.. but no…

        • sprucesens

          i’m of the same train of thought. Time to start reaping the rewards from our rebuild. All the young guys have looked as good as they are touted to be, except for some of the D. But even then, most have outplayed the vet’s in that regard. I don’t think michalek will be signed, unless its to a 2 year deal at the same money he makes now (4.3). If not, they are better off to pursue someone else, if he wants a big raise. I’d sooner pay a guy like cammelleri who puts up points consistently, and still has something like 27 goals on Calgary this year. Would be a solid FA signing, and I think would love it in Ottawa.
          Anyways, depends which teams are calling, on what we would get in return. If its phx, we ask for a top D, gormley, OEL, and so on would be names discussed. LA? toffoli and maybe some D prospects. Anaheim? A big list of guys we would like, but not sure who they’d give up. Nashville? Ellis, weber and Forsberg could all be on the radar. Only way weber moves though, is if they simply feel they can’t afford him. I personally don’t see him ever leaving though. Certainly not in the type of deal we could offer. Lots of possibilities with other teams too. St. Louis? we’ve always liked oshie, but wouldn’t mind rattie, tarasenko or a few others. It all depends who is buying, and how badly they want him, and are willing to risk resigning him or not.

          • Samuel Richard Wakefield

            There is nooooooooo way michalek will get near 4. If hr stays in Ottawa then he would be getting no more then 2.5. Everything else I agree

          • sprucesens

            I would bet, if we actually want to keep him, it’ll be around the 4 mark. I don’t think its the best way for us to spend 4 mill, but to say he is barely paid more than colin greening, I don’t think he’d go for that. He has fallen a long ways in a short time, but he did score 35 for us one year, so even half that, is almost worth more than the 2.5. I certainly am one to want to replace him with a bingo forward, and then sign a bigger FA fish, like cammy, vanek, moulson and so on, but realistically, only see cammy as a target that would consider the sens. And i’d sooner spend 6+ on any of those guys, than 4 on michalek, unless that directly allows us to keep hemsky as well.

      • Zelle

        You can apply the same type of questions to other players: Can Spezza stay healthy for a full season? Can Milo? Can they keep their current point production or are they trending downwards? Are they tough enough to survive four playoff series to the Cup?

        • A-Train

          All I’m saying is we know that Spezza can produce at about a PPG.

          • Zelle

            And we know that Turris almost can. So you arguing if he’ll keep going up is like arguing if Spezza will be going down, is what I’m trying to get at. I’m trying not to get into the Turris debates though cause I have a huge bias towards him as he’s my favorite player on the team. I just wanted to highlight the fact that both players have their positives that we know about them, and that we can question about where they go from here in both cases.

    • Sensnation

      Michalek and Hemsky are not coming back if Spezza is gone. Like they want to go from playing with Spezza to playing with Zibanejad. No matter who you are that’s a ridiculous drop in skill and players get paid mainly due to the points they put up.

      • Samuel Richard Wakefield

        I am going to have to disagree. When they were playing with zbad the other night they played as good if not better with spezza. They would have to be pretty stupid if they didn’t feel that

    • Zelle

      I actually like Milo but I think it’s best to let him go.

      16-7-6
      68-93-83
      I’d also try giving Smith a decent winger, he seemed to buzz with Zbad:
      14-15-61

      That leaves a bit of a question mark for a fourth line though…
      ??-44-22/25?

      • sbs138

        we’d get killed with that line up

  • WaitingSince92

    As someone who advocated keeping Spezza in years past, I think this offseason is the time to move him. There are several reasons for this (back surgeries, age, value), but most importantly, it seems like the right thing to do long-term for the franchise.

    Our first big draft pick as a franchise was Yashin. He had some great years in Ottawa, but was traded, essentially for Spezza and Chara before he lost value. Chara, in what was maybe this franchise’s biggest mistake ever, was not resigned, so to keep getting value from that trade, letting Spezza go before his skill/value degrades would be smart.

    He still has 3-5 years of (#1 centre) great hockey left in him, so he’s not nec in his prime, but still has lots of value. He’s had multiple surgeries and it doesn’t seem like his back issue is going away any time soon. In short, we would be selling high and continuing to get value from picking Yashin!

    Kinda cool.

  • Mat

    Kudos to all for the healthy respectful debate so far. It’s clear this is a forum for educated fans. E5! ;)

  • sbs138

    Turris is not a #1 center, period. ZBad is not either. No way do they trade or not re-sign him. Sure he has some holes in his game, all players do, but we’d definitely lose some goal scoring if he’s gone.

    • Sandy

      Look at Ovechkin… 50 goals. and -35
      Alex Edler.. the D everyone would like.. -32
      Yandle -25.. same as Spezza..
      Big Buff is a -20..
      Scotty Bowman said something interesting in an interview on HockeyCentral at Noon today. Sometimes +/- can be an affect as to who that player is playing with…

      • Zelle

        I in no way want Alex Edler. There are so many more better choices out there. My favorite Western team is the Canucks (2nd favorite team) and I wish he was traded out. Just not to here.

  • Miguel

    with Spezza we lose 5-3
    without Spezza we lose 4-1.
    In my opinion we are a better team with a healthy Spezza.
    we must be the only fanbase in the world who wants their offensive start to stop scoring, and focus on winning the Frank Selke trophy!
    Cmon

    • sbs138

      perfect. absolutely perfect comment.

  • Sensnation

    Spezza is the captain of the Sens and for me it would be a complete mistake to trade him. We will not get the value he brings to this team in return, and as much as everyone is ready to anoint Turris and Zibanejad 1 and 2C, they would both be in over their heads in that role at this stage.

    Anaheim was going to add Spezza to go behind Getzlaf? Colorado has one of the deepest center groups. Something doesn’t add up with those rumors. A lot more rumor mongering going on in these parts now, what’s changed Chirp?

    • SensChirp

      Rumour mongering? Where?

      Just because you don’t want to hear certain things about the organization, doesn’t make it rumour mongering. I gave my take on MacLean last week and today shared what I heard related to Spezza’s future.

      I think that’s why people come here but I could be mistaken.

      • SensChirp

        And by the way, you would be hard pressed to find someone who has been more vocal in support of both Spezza and MacLean than I have this season.

        • Sensnation

          Not making it a pissing contest, but I think a lot of us have been very vocal in our support for the two.

          • Sensturion

            Not sure what blog you’ve been reading but there are VERY FEW Maclean and Spezza supporters around these parts lately.

          • Colin

            I really doubt that. The squeaky wheels have been whining and postsing the same anti-Spezza stuff all year long. Filter that out and I believe that there is a good balance.

          • WaitingSince92

            Anytime the Spezza rumours pop up, people are going to be upset, but Chirp is more or less the opposite of a “rumourmonger”. Not sure where this “jump on every one” thing is coming from.

            Also, I think the Spezza rumours this time around are different. His multiple back surgeries and age mean this could be the last contract Spezza signs as an elite talent. You can make a perfectly reasonable case to keep or trade Spezza, but it’s easy to see how the “trade him” crowd has a stronger case than in years past, especially when considering the long term health of the franchise.

      • A-Train

        I support your approach, Chirp.

      • Sensnation

        In the past you used to avoid posting rumors until you were 100% sure to the point you missed being first on a few. Now it seems like you jump on every one. I get it, things change over time, it just feels like it’s gotten more entertainment weekly in here.

        • SensChirp

          That approach is still in effect. Three people close to the team said the same thing and then Elliott Friedman followed. Not sure what more you need.

          • Sensnation

            Sorry your feel you haven’t changed at all when it comes to that. I’m just a user of your website, just disappointed to see how much more rumor driven it’s getting.

          • Sensturion

            The only thing that’s changed in my eyes is the post game comments/posts are few and far between. Totally understandable with the new baby, of course!

          • SensChirp

            Wait till next year when it becomes a membership based site :)

          • Sensturion

            Wait, what?

          • SensChirp

            $500 beans a year gets you full access to all the non-rumour based content you can handle. Mostly box scores, line combinations and embedded videos.

          • Sensturion

            Laaaaaaate April Fool’s joke…? Please…?

          • Colin

            He said beans, not dollars

            Kid’s gotta eat, eh? :-)

          • Senatollah

            thats it? no problem!!! just don’t raise the rates 1/2 way through next years race to the SFC by a box of diapers

          • bishbosh

            Will there be tables?

          • SensChirp

            Well don’t ruin the surprise!

          • SensChirp

            I’m gonna be honest here- I have no idea what you’re talking about.

          • Sensnation

            K, I’ll let it be then man. Enjoy your day, best of luck.

          • Roar…

            He has like 5 brain cells. I’d give up responding to someone who knows so little honestly.

          • A-Train

            You might want to take a break from Senschirp and the Internet in general for the next 18 months if Ottawa Senators rumours are going to upset you this much.

          • s3nsfan

            Yeah, cause that is about ALL there will be around here with no first round draft pick and no playoffs, gonna be a long ass off season

        • John Q. Spartan

          Hey man, just wanted to say you are 100% right. It is rumor mongering, and I’m not sure how anyone can argue that.

          The argument shouldn’t be about that, it should be whether rumors are worthwhile reading about.

          • Doc

            Kinda like how we feel about your comments in general.

          • John Q. Spartan

            Thanks for reading.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Don’t worry Chirp…this is why people come.

        I think Sensnatons puppy died over the weekend or something…his panties have been in a knot for days now.

        • Sensnation

          Nah man, you’re just a total tool that thinks every witty insult deserves a post.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Oh I am sorry keeper of the internet…pass me your email so I can run anything I want to say online past you before posting.

            Goof

          • Sensnation

            Do you not get that I want nothing to do with you?

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Welcome to the internet….somewhere you are free to post as am I….you are the clown that started some sort of retarded internet battle by either being completely illiterate or just being a moron.

            Its all good though…maybe Chirp can rush the ignore function….its becoming a hell of a lot more pressing around here lately.

          • Sensnation

            Yes, you have definitely made it a requirement.

      • sprucesens

        honestly, my favorite reason to come to this site is for potential rumours of trades and that kind of thing, and the best part, is chirp does a very good job of not putting his opinion as fact in his articles, and does a good job of calming everyone down when the want to blow everything up. Not easy to do with this crowd. Chirp also does an excellent job of giving us the right amount of info, without upsetting sources, or starting bogus rumors about players, coaches, management etc, unless its generally a known rumor that others have also heard.

    • John Q. Spartan

      Good for site traffic.

      • SensChirp

        And that an extra $1.84 in my kid’s college fund.

    • Roar…

      Your ignorance is so damn painful to read. I wish I could just place your username on ignore. The reason people are talking about Colorado is because….

      A) Stastny has been rumoured to be going to UFA
      B) O’Reilly wants out after the bitter contract negotiations last summer

      Maybe with their success this year that has changed, but it remains to be seen. They could lose one or BOTH of those guys this summer. Please know what you’re talking about before making such annoying uninformed comments. It takes 5 minutes and google to figure this shit out.

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    Massive Spezza fan here and as much as I would hate too see him go, I really dont think he will be traded this summer. Yes it would be the best scenario for this organization moving forward but I just dont see us losing another captain in a span of 1 year. He stays, Hemsky stays, Michalek walks. Assistants are fired. We bring in some D and we are the 2014-2015 stanley cup champions (ahaha, I am dreaming)

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    Andy starts tmr.. why? Lehner deserves it

    • Jonny

      Maclean…

      • SensChirp

        Assume they’ll go Anderson/Lehner/Anderson/Lehner to close it out

      • Sandy

        Yeah.. I guess he said on the radio this morning.. it’s gives the Sens the best chance to win!!! Why didn’t he just say, he’s the #1 goalie…

  • POOLSHARK19

    How would Sens fans feel
    about trading Spezza and Wericioch for Kane and Enstrom?
    Would Ottawa need to
    add a little bit? Is this a somewhat realistic trade?
    Winnipeg’s top two
    centres are Little and Jokinen, and Spezza would certainly give them a huge
    boost offensively. Enstrom is having a down year, and with trouba, bogosian, and
    byfuglien on their roster, does Enstrom become a viable trade piece?

    I
    also feel like Ottawa should make a serious pitch for Callahan. Thats the grit
    and skill Ottawa needs in their top 6 to compete agaisnt the real playoff teams
    like Boston. I don’t think you can win a playoff series relying on Spezza and
    Hemsky. They may even have a lot of success in the regular season, but I would
    never feel comfortable with that as my top line in a series, regardless of their
    skill. Feels very similar to having the Sedins in Vancouver.

    Imagine a
    less offensively gifted lineup that competes every night, has balanced lines,
    and has an actual identity…

    I think Maclean gets one more shot, but I
    am not a fan. He has not Implemented a system that gets the best out of our
    players. A good coach should not come in to town with a pre planned system and
    say we are gonna be like the detroit redwings… This is completely unrealistic.
    Ottawa doesn’t have the players to play that type of system… A good coach
    should evaluate his team and the individual’s strenghts and weaknesses and build
    a realistic system that the players can thrive in. Play to their strenghts. This
    something I think maclean struggles with. Hell if columbus can do it why can’t
    we??!!

    I’d say good bye to the dead weight and truly start the rebuild
    with the young core we now have in place.
    Bye bye greening, michalek, spezza,
    hemsky, gryba, Phillips

    2015 lineup

    MACARTHUR-TURRIS-RYAN
    KANE-ZIBANEJAD-CALLAHAN
    HOFFMAN-LAZAR-STONE
    CONDRA-SMITH-NEIL

    KARLSSON-METHOT
    ENSTROM-CECI
    BORO-COWEN

    This
    team is not offensive like the one we currently have, but this is a hard working
    balanced team that should be able to compete and have an identity. Tired of
    watching a soft loose team like the sens.

    • SensChirp

      Might be a fit there but the NTC would be a big issue. Sorry if anyone reading is from Winnipeg.

      • POOLSHARK19

        unfortunately, you’re probably right.

      • Doc

        Same goes for Edmonton. They would be the obvious (and best) choice for the Sens as a trading partner, but I highly doubt Spezza would waive to go there.

      • CohMa

        Wasn’t Dreger or McKenzie talking about it being a limited/modified no trade around the trade deadline? I thought it was one of those present a list of teams you do or don’t want to go to.

      • FistsofNeil25

        The reality is that Eugene is making this just as undesirable a team to play for as Winnipeg and Edmonton.

    • Pasky

      I wouldn’t want to touch Kane with a 10′ pole right now considering all the off-ice issues being rumored. We got enough of that with Eugene as it is.

    • Jonny

      “Imagine a
      less offensively gifted lineup that competes every night, has balanced lines,
      and has an actual identity…”

      That exact team makeup got smoked by PIT in the 2nd round. You need skill & Grit, not a bunch of Mike Fisher’s…

      • Shibal

        They got smoked by more than 5 goals in like 2 of those games after Spezza came back into the lineup.

      • POOLSHARK19

        lol can’t believe you found something wrong with that sentence… I’m actually impressed…
        But seriously, since when is a balanced team with an identity and not just an all out offense mentality a bad idea? Does St louis have many PPG players? How about LA? Boston? Hmmmmm…. And whatever happenned in the playoffs to that Pittsburgh team last year?

  • justrelax

    Sorry I like Spezza, and if you just look at the Ducks and Getzlaf, I think we see a similar story unfold in Ottawa

  • Pasky

    I would be OK with a Spezza trade, but not if it’s the type of trade we did for Ryan, but more of a hockey trade as has been discussed. Trade away Spezza and Weircioch (I personally like him but management seems to think differently) for a proven Top 4 defenseman that can play a 2-way game and a left-handed shot, a 1st round draft pick and a Top 6 left winger to replace Michalek. I liked him but he is a former shell of himself since his knee surgery and can easily be replaced at this point. Re-sign Hemsky, Hoffman & Lehner in the off-season and let Gryba and Kassian walk. I think Pageau has proved what he needed to in the AHL so bring him up. Maybe even take a look at Lazar, see what he can do.

    MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
    XXXX-Zibanejad-Hemsky
    Hoffman-Pageau/Lazar-Stone
    Condra-Smith-Neil
    Greening

    XXXX-Karlsson
    Methot-Ceci
    Phillips-Cowen
    Borowiecki

    Anderson
    Lehner

  • s3nsfan

    Getzlaf is better defensively, harder on the puck AND hasn’t had 2 back surgeries.

    I will admit that players of spezza’s ilk don’t come around all that often, but that being said, trading a player out with that salary and bringing other pieces can help a team. If we lost spezza’s production (62 pts so far) that would be a blow. But that being said, younger players will improve next year which would close the gap on that lost production. And if we improved our defence and we get some improved goaltending I think it wouldn’t be that bad. The senators gave up 258 goals. Way too many, and how many on the powerplay? *80 +?*
    I like Spezza, I do however, I feel this team could benefit and move forward even without spezza in the lineup.

    • justrelax

      Sorry talking more about how Anaheim shit the bed after Niederayer retired than comparing Spezza and Getzlaf two different skill sets but similar teams

  • whammer44

    If Spezza initiated the discussion for a trade, then BM has no choice but to try and move him.

    You can blah blah on the sentiment of losing another captain 2 years in a row but imo its worse to hang onto a guy who really doesn’t want to be here anymore. Plus sentiment got us another 2 years of CP4.

    If multiple people know that Spez asked for a possible trade, then the whole team knows and personally I wouldn’t want to know my cap’n has abandoned ship.

    And it means even if they hang onto him, he’s not re-signing here unless we seriously over pay.

    I’m booking it that he gets moved before the draft.

  • SensGod

    Haha “annoying”, well said Chirp.

  • Eric

    Can I just be the voice of reason here for a second….. Jason Spezza will not be traded. The organization cannot afford that PR battle. I don’t care if you have the most sound roster/contract-based rationale. There are too many kids with Spezza jerseys. After the Alfie debacle… it just won’t happen. End of discussion.

    • boom

      End of discussion…after nearly 400 comments?

      Arrogant much?

      • Eric

        HA, I was just being dramatic, calm down.

    • John Q. Spartan

      Trading him = Positive PR; Let him walk as UFA = Negative PR

      • Eric

        I don’t agree that trading him = positive PR. Trading him is going to be a PR nightmare.

        • John Q. Spartan

          Depends on what they trade him for I guess. I am assuming it won’t be for nothing.

          • Eric

            More importantly, how it’s handled…

      • A-Train

        no… the opposite is true.

        • sprucesens

          chara?

          • A-Train

            good example, actually. so hypothetically let’s say the Ottawa Senators traded Zdeno Chara to Boston the year before he was UFA, then he went on to become what he did. You have to assume we would have got a lesser player back at the time. How would you feel about THAT move? versus what did happen: he walked for various reasons, including that we didn’t have the $$$ to meet his demands? Be honest.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Whether he walks away as a UFA or is traded, the Sens aren’t likely to look good either way. If he walks away on his own, it will just look like another big name player that the organization couldn’t make happy.

            I would rather lose him and get something in return, than lose him for nothing.

          • A-Train

            I think we would all rather have something than nothing.

            I’m just pointing out that it might be harder than you think to make these types of trades. If the impending UFA is saying loud and clear “I want out”, that’s one thing. But it is rarely so simple. It’s a negotiation. The player and agent are using leverage. The team is weary of the bad optics of trading a star.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      The key is… Losing him for nothing is a disaster

      • Eric

        I agree, you’re preaching to the choir. Personally, I think it would be best to move on, but I’m saying, from a PR point of view, I don’t think it’ll happen… we’ll end up resigning him, regardless.

      • A-Train

        Well…if you are talking about a PR disaster, losing him for nothing isn’t as bad — can be spun as he wanted out, didn’t like playing here anymore. Trading him’s different optic.

        • sprucesens

          if he wanted out, why not trade him and get something for him?

          • A-Train

            i get it. just saying that some fans …. the kid with the Spezza jersey…might be more upset at the team for trading him than if he walked.

    • sprucesens

      that idea is great. But guess what, its a business and not just how the fans react. Alfie left, the god of the franchise. People still go to the games do they not? Had we have still been a solid team this year, nobody would really be complaining, other than it would have been nice to give alfie what he wanted, rather than going somewhere else. point is, signing a player just because of how the media will react, and fans, is not a good way to go. Phillips is an exact example of this.
      Having said all that, IF they do trade spezza, they better be prepared to be answering a lot of questions about the why’s. How can he go from a captain to traded in a year. How did a trade even come about? Was there serious talk of signing him again? why did we lose 2 franchise players in 2 years? Yes it won’t be easy, and it wouldn’t be fun to be murray at those pressers, but if we get a solid return, its the smarter hockey, and business decision. Also, we can’t make him sign. If he actually does want out, losing him for nothing at the end of next year, will be a much more massive debacle that PR would have to deal with, then trading him for 2 or 3 very good pieces. Think of how we let chara go. yes we were in a way different position then, but imagine we traded him at the deadline or something to boston, and got Bergeron, savard, lucic or something like that back? Big difference down the line. Either way, anyone can be traded, see gretzky.

      • sprucesens

        also, I meant only 1 of those pieces in the boston trade, not all 3, in case it gets read wrong.

      • Sandy

        IF he is traded by the organization’s doing… then it’s because Melnyk could not afford to re-sign Spezza, Ryan, McArthur and Methot. It would put the team too much over his budget..

        • sprucesens

          Like chirp said he Asked to be traded. So if he is traded it doesn’t have to be Melnyk. Spezza might not want to play here any more like other ufa’s. It happens.

    • SensChirp

      The important part here is apparently Spezza ASKED them to explore trade options.

  • FistsofNeil25

    So I’ve seen a few comments on here saying that “Turris isn’t a #1 center” or “would you say that Turris or Zibanejad is a number one center on a contending team?”

    First of all, for anyone who doesn’t think that Turris is a number one center, well what exactly has he been this season in Ottawa. Turris has the highest average ice-time of any Ottawa center this season, and has also faced the tougher quality of competition for the majority of the year. Turris is already this team’s number one guy.

    For those of you that would ask if Turris or Zibanejad is the number one center on a contender…well probably not, but neither is Jason Spezza. Not anymore anyway. The difference is that Turris and Zibanejad are developing young players that have shown a willingness to compete at both ends of the rink. Jason Spezza is a one-dimensional declining talent.

    Will we be a better team next year without Spezza? Maybe not. But I don’t see him as a difference maker between contending or not, and with whispers of him wanting to move on from Ottawa, it only makes sense to get what we can for him this summer.

    • Eric

      Agree 100%.

    • John Q. Spartan

      Agreed.

    • Zelle

      I’m happy someone else said it!

    • A-Train

      It’s not true that Turris has faced tougher competition. The difference is about .1%

  • Sandy

    I’m on the side of not trading Spezza.
    Like him or not.. he IS a #1 centre. Not every team has one.. It would leave a hole in the lineup… Those arguing that.. just don’t like Spezza.
    He has very good on ice vision and some of his offensive plays just boggle your mind.
    Is he a 200 ft player? No.. Is he good defensively… No Is he getting up in age… yes — and injuries do hamper him. He is what he is.. and that is a offensively talented centre..
    I remember Murray being all over Darren Dreger at the trade deadline about bringing up Spezza being traded. Is this garbage all media driven again? Is “gds” on here saying he’s hearing that from BM’s office again?
    I just don’t see it.
    Many of you have said.. they won’t win a Cup with Spezza. Well how many did they win with Alfie? Don’t get me wrong.. I love Alfie.. but they didn’t win a Cup with him either. It takes more than 1 player and 1 line to win a cup… unless of course that player is an elite goalie.
    Look at the conference next season… Take out Boston & Pittsburgh as they have guaranteed playoffs spots.. Buffalo will be at the bottom.. 13 of the remaining teams will be fighting for 6 playoff spots.. The Isles will be better.. and so will Florida now that Luongo is there.. Add that to those fighting to get in now.. and it’s going to be a dogfight next season. This team doesn’t need any more upheavel like they had this season.

  • Sandy

    Off topic… is Zibby not eligible to go to Bingo for the playoff run? He’s only 20..

  • Conor_smythe

    say it aint so chirp!

    Trading the most exciting and talented Senator of all time would really be disappointing..but not surprising.. there’s been so many eyebrow-raising moves, nothing surprises me anymore.. didnt have the balls to trade alfie.. didnt have the balls to trade phillips.. but now we all of a sudden have all kinds of balls?

    it would be a damn shame

    one thing I know for sure, if we trade him, we’ll most likely regret it

    • Sandy

      Agreed. Say he is traded to a Western conference team.. What happens if he goes to Toronto as a UFA (they will throw tremendous bucks at him.. they will find a way) and he ends up playing with Kessel & Lupul…

      That would hurt big time.. and that could really happen…

      • FistsofNeil25

        I think you guys are missing the part where Chirp said three people close to the organization have told him that both Spezza and the team feel it’s time for a mutual split. The reality is that after one season, Spezza is free to sign anywhere he wants and that likely isn’t to be Ottawa.

        It would be devastating to hold on to him for one more season and have him walk away for nothing as a UFA.

        • John Q. Spartan

          … and people would still blame Melnyk, ha.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Well, Eugene is probably part of the reason why Spezza would want to move on in the first place.

          • John Q. Spartan

            Well of course, he’s the boogeyman.

        • Conor_smythe

          Oh I definitely agree, if it comes down to losing him for nothing, then by all means we need to trade him.. but I just wish it didn’t have to be that way

        • Lucretia

          Reading some of these comments I’m surprised anyone wants to play here.

          • Zelle

            It’s true, no other fan base disagrees on players, coaches, management, owner, etc…

        • Cicero

          Why would Spezza ‘ask’ to be shopped around this summer when he has only one year left on his contract and will be UFA the following year?

          Lack of recognition? No. He has been given the ‘C’, and with Hemsky now has a RW who praises his skill.

          Ottawa media and/or fanbase? He’s put up with criticism since day one. He could be tired of it, though.

          The only reason that makes sense to me is that he has lost confidence in the ownership. Granted, considering Melnyk’s history of dubious business ethics, there’s not much to lose to begin with.

  • Sandy

    Say Spezza is gone… who becomes the next whipping boy?

    • Pasky

      Cowen has taken the mantle this season anyways… And we still have Phillips for a couple years and Greening (ugh…)

    • FistsofNeil25

      There are already several in the making. Phillips, Cowen, Greening, Condra, Neil etc… take your pick Sandy!

    • A-Train

      Definitely Karlsson.

      • Cicero

        EK will demand to be traded before that happens.

    • John Q. Spartan

      Whoever deserves it.

      • Colin

        You’re joking, right?

        In the words of Will Munny, “Deserve’s got nothin’ to do with it.”

  • Pasky

    If Nashville would take him, I’d like to have Roman Josi come back… Seth Jones would be nice but as big a pipedream as Weber lol

  • Nicholas Rawlins

    I hope not, it’s hard to find a guy like this who actually wants to play in Ottawa, once Ryan leaves after next season that leaves us with not a lot of star power. I don’t think at any point of his career turris could lead a winning club.

    • Zelle

      I might be biting here, but why would Ryan leave after the next season?

      • Nicholas Rawlins

        He’s not gonna resign here.

  • A-Train

    Kyle Turris and Jason Spezza are actually more or less dead even in Quality of Competition stats, that said…here’s what Kyle Turris told the Ottawa Citizen:

    “In a year of inconsistent performances for the Senators, Turris has been consistent.

    He is quick to remind everyone he has been sheltered by the presence of Spezza, who usually receives the most difficult matchups. With Spezza out of the lineup for most of the lockout-shortened 2013 season, Turris endured several extended slumps before learning how to deal with the tougher checking.”

    • Sandy

      But people don’t think about that…

      • A-Train

        No, many don’t consider that. When Spezza is in the lineup teams need to come up with a strategy to shut him down. They respect his ability to create and make up their own game plan around that.

        Can Turris be that kind of force? I’d love to think so, but I’m dubious.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        I think a lot do think of that, but at the same time you need to consider that if Spezza beings us another legitimate top 3 forward they too will have to be worried about. Leaving more space for Turris, Ryan, zibby etc… So I am not sure his leaving would have That drastic of an affect.

        I’m going on the assumption that we would get two quality current pieces back…. What it boils down to is how much extra attention they require(or are able to provide if they are on the backend)

        My biggest concern is the fact that most teams know that after next year they could potentially get him for nothing… So if his no trade clause is restricting us to 2-3 teams that they may just roll the dice and try in a season to just sign him.

    • John Q. Spartan

      Turris had no problem excelling without Spezza last season. Spezza returning to play this season had little effect on Turris. Same player.

      • jimmyjohnson

        Lmao says the guy who wants to “ship (Spezza) off the Buffalo.”

        The numbers, the player himself (i.e. Turris), his coach, his gm, and every professional analyst covering the team says he did struggle, but please…go on…

        • Aaron 2.0

          Anecdotally, just watching him that season, he definitely struggled. I think a big difference now is he just seems so much stronger on the puck. Last year, you could tell how talented he was. But, he still had trouble winning the puck battles. Not the case at all now.

          I’m somewhat hesitant to use his point production last year as out-right proof of his struggles (although I’m sure it’s partially reflective of that). Half of our team was out. His wingers were not of the same quality as this year (which you need if you’re going to be L 1). It just seems a bit unfair to say he didn’t produce as the L1 C when he also didn’t really have L1 calibre wingers. Obviously, I still think he’s better this year!

          • Zelle

            He trained a lot in the off season too. He’ll probably train just as much or more this off season, so I’m thinking he will improve next year.

    • Aaron 2.0

      So despite Turris’ comments, which are so typical of his humble nature as a player (pumping other players for his own success), the stats basically support that we had a 1A and 1B line this year (since both saw the basically the same quality of competition). That’s actually quite encouraging for those who would like to see Turris as the L1 C.

  • TookieIs100PercentRight

    The points per game thing is thrown around non-stop as if it justifies continued average to weak play in his own end. There’s a reason Jason Spezza has never won anything of significance: he absolutely excels in the offensive end but is quite average to mediocre at making decisions that involve defensive coverage, backchecking, line changes, penalty killing…and the Senators this team have scored six more goals at even strength when he’s OFF the ice. If you’re into those advanced stats, he’s a 45% possession player.

    Look, I love Spezza’s skillset but to win you need a Jonathan Toews, Bergeron type. Someone that might only get 60 points but will play HARD in all zones and that will kill penalties nonstop. Jason Spezza is basically Pierre Turgeon and he’s one of the biggest failures in NHL history.

    • PraiseAlfie11

      Awesome. What store sells a Towes and Bergeron type player?

      • Zelle

        We should probably get two just to be safe.

        • PraiseAlfie11

          Haha…might be a spring BOGO sale coming.

    • Sandy

      Karlsson plays weak in his own end as well… so do many others… It’s not just Spezza.

      • Aaron 2.0

        Karlsson is 23 years old and coming off a major Achilles injury. I didn’t find anything particularly week about his defense in his Norris winning season, IMO. It’s not just Spezza. But, I don’t think this is particularly good comparison, if you’re suggesting that Karlsson is destined to be a week defensive player.

    • Sandy

      Spezza is a failure? Wow…
      Quite a few teams will lineup to get him…. if they can fit him in.

      Just because you don’t like him.. doesn’t mean he’s been a failure..

      • Shibal

        Spezza could not even win in Bingo with the astronomical numbers he had down there during the lockout – could not even win 1 round.

        • Sandy

          So other players on the team had no affect on what happened? They lost it all totally because of Spezza?

  • PraiseAlfie11

    Looks like moneypuck is proving to be a failed experiment, and not just because of missing the playoffs either.

    Since it was first introduced, we lost Alfie, now Spezza might be next. If spezza goes, so do hemsky and michalek. Yes, our entire 1st line.

    What great players want to come to a middle of the road team in a bad climate and a higher tax rate than most cities…not to mention the pressure of playing for a canadian team?

    • jtf927

      absolutely agree. with the departure of spezza, 9mm and hemmer will also leave. will be time to turn over a new leaf.

      • Cicero

        …a new sen.

        FTFY

  • Phoenix

    If your moving Spezza you better know what your getting back. Prospects and picks aren’t the answer, they could be part of the equation but aren’t the answer. What this team needs is a center in the mold of Eric Staal mold. A player that is a proven leader, can put up some points, play a 200 foot game, and has a little term left on his contract. Next season will be big for Turris but I do believe that Zib still needs a couple of more season behind a proven center. Find a player like this and the culture should be changed in the locker room. Hopefully Murray can find such a player.

    • Sandy

      Carolina is reportedly considering trading Eric Staal. That’s the rumours anyway..

      • Phoenix

        I heard the same rumour. Along with defense he would be the type of player that could make a culture change and style of play. Why wouldn’t hemsky and ryan not be his wingers. But just can’t see it happening unless they take a pay cut or Carolina retains money.

        • whammer44

          No thanks. Did you watch him play this year? He’s lost a step and isn’t the same player he was.

          • Phoenix

            I think Staal would be a great addition but I did say in the mold of so if Murray can find that type of player then this team is moving forward. Anything less and the team is taking a step back if the Sens trade Spezza

  • John Q. Spartan

    Ship him off the Buffalo…

  • jtf927

    if spezza leaves, 9mm and hemsky will also be gone. in addition, the departure of spezza will signify the departure of the last major piece that went on the stanley cup run (save neil and philips). i think it might be a good thing. we can use that money to sign ryan and mcarthur and go out and solidify our d-corp. i have said it before and will say it again, our priority this off-season should be the d-corp and tending.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Who cares if michalek is gone… He should be. Hemsky I fail to see why everyone thinks this is automatic

      • jtf927

        i believe it is in the sense, hemsky indicated that him staying would have alot to do with spezza staying.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          He basically said he liked playing with Spezza… This doesn’t automatically mean he doesn’t like playing with Zibby or Turris or Ryan.

          People assuming he is leaving is almost as nuts as people saying Ryan is 100% gone next year… And if Hemsky moves on so be it… It isn’t like we gave up a hell of a lot to get him

          • jtf927

            yeah. we did not give up alot for hemsky, which is a relief.

    • karlssens

      We can afford to let Mm or hemmer go, but not both.

      • jtf927

        i actually think we can let them both go. if we sign ryan and mcarthur, that will be our new #1. zbad is ready for a bigger role and should then be our #2 along with stone and hoffman. lazar can be our #3 and smith will be #4.

    • Sandy

      So we go from 6 top 6 forwards to 3.

  • karlssens

    Whether we like it or not, the Spezza era is coming to an end. It’s sad, upsetting, but yet, exciting. Whatever we get for Spezza will influence this team heavily ether offensively or defensively. Spezza is a great guy, but it’s truly time to complete the rebuild and ship him off.

    Stall for Spezza makes sense. I think Stall could flourish in Ottawa on the second like with some of our wingers. Plus, it send a strong “compete now” message to the team, compared to grabbing picks and prospects.

  • Cicero

    If it comes down to Spezza being traded, the last thing we need is an acquisition to make up for lost production. We need to bet on our improving youth to do so. (7, 93, 15, 68/24/44 down the middle).

    We lost defensive skill when we lost Alfie, and never filled that hole.

    Murray needs to swing a three-way deal toward a 200′ winger and a solid stay-at-home D — both on the left side.

    • FistsofNeil25

      If we bring in another left side d-man then we will need to do something with one or two of Methot, Cowen, Wiercioch and Phillips.

      • Cicero

        I’m just assuming that one of 2 and 46 would be shipped in a deal. I really just hope it doesn’t come down to it in the end.

    • jtf927

      i agree with this. we need to continue the youth movement on this team. give these young kids a chance to show us that we drafted well.

  • PP613

    If he goes, so do I. I’ve had enough of this bullsh*t around this team. Jason is not the problem. It’s the cheap owner and uneducated fans.

    • SensChirp

      Unlike previous Spezza rumours, this isn’t a scenario where he is being “blamed” for their struggles and therefore should be dealt. This is more about the Senators needing to make a decision about the direction of the team and at the same time, Jason deciding what is best for his career.

      • SensChirp

        By the way, I hope I’m wrong on this. I’m a big Spezza fan and worry about replacing his production.

  • Floridasensfan

    Spezza has to be looking at a team that can win the cup or will do everything possible to get there, this year he has be on a line with Condra Neil and had to watch phillips bobble pucks on the power play, watch third line players get more ice time, we as fans get pissed off to lose games because Pmac is more interested in sending messages than winning games. All the line juggling we have seen this year, you can’t even be shocked at all Spezza wants out or even Ryan, what a frickin nightmare.
    From what I have seen on the outside this year from Pmac if he is fired, BYE
    The problem also starts at the top, Melnyk is not committed to winning, it is not about spending to the cap, he is not committed to winning, he is committed to his budget and his pocket, getting in the playoffs and going a few rounds is ok with him, he makes money, working for someone that is not all in to get the team in contention for a cup must be a real pisser.
    Screw working for a uncommitted owner and a line juggler coach committed to sending messages of control over a win.
    Pmac coach of the year seems to have gone to his head and he is on a power trip.
    Spezza leaving could promote an absolute blowup of the team, next year we may get the number one pick, not playoffs.

    end of rant.

  • Aladelphik

    Ottawa- Anderson, Weircoch, Hoffman
    Jets- Kane

    Ottawa- Prince, 2nd
    Philly- Couturier

    Ottawa- Spezza
    Ana- Fowler, Silfverberg

    Sign Brodeur, Hemsky

    Kane-Zib-Hemsky
    MaCarthur-Turris-Ryan
    Silfverberg-Couturier-Stone
    Greening-Smith-Neil

    Karlsson-Methot
    Fowler-Cowen
    Ceci-Phillips

    Condra, Lazar, Puempel, DaCosta, Pageau, Weircoch, Claesson, BoroCop

    Lehner, Brodeur

    Brings power forwards, youth and size to Ottawa. Brodeur’s son plays local and can mentor Lehner while they play 50/50

    • Jakester

      I like your thinking but none of the other teams would make those trades.

      • Pasky

        Maybe a little more realistic

        Ottawa
        Prince, 2nd

        Buffalo
        Stewart

        Ottawa
        Spezza, Anderson, Weircioch

        Winnipeg
        Kane, Enstrom, Pavelec, 1st

        Trade Greening for anything if possible.

        Kane-Zibanejad-Hemsky
        MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
        Hoffman-Pageau-Stewart
        Condra-Smith-Neil
        Stone

        Enstrom-Karlsson
        Methot-Ceci
        Phillips-Cowen
        Borowiecki

        Lehner
        Pavelec

        • Jakester

          Think the Winnipeg trade is unrealistic, Sens are robbing them blind in that one!

          • Jakester

            But that would be one hell of a lineup!

          • Pasky

            Take out the 1st maybe?

            Spezza>Kane
            Anderson>Pavelec
            Enstrom>Weircioch

    • jtf927

      definitely want silver surfer back.

      • whammer44

        I like Silfverberg but I think he has around 9 goals in 50 games this season. Don’t see him as an upgrade to either Stone or Hoffman

        • Zelle

          I want Silf back just for the name puns. I can’t wait for Zbad to be a top line player so I can have posters with “You’ve been had by Zbad” every time he scores.

  • Jakester

    Happy Quebecer here, looking like a Liberal Majority! OH CANADA! GSG!

    • ZaZa

      Lets just hope they don’t mess up Quebec like they did her in Ontario

      • Jakester

        I agree!

      • PraiseAlfie11

        Impossible to mess it up as badly as the PQ would have. What a gongshow.

        I was born and lived in MTL for 22 (praise Shutt) years. I never expected Marois to be incapable of giving a well thought-out plan for small things like citizenship (passports), borders and trade agreements. It’s been since 1977 and they STILL don’t have answers to the basic questions? WTF?

        • Jakester

          The PQ party is and always has been a FARCE! They’ve drained every penny out of this province, as bad as the finances are in Ontario, they are maybe ten times worse in Quebec! damn frightening!

          • Andrews theory

            They’ve done one thing well…

            Alienate Anglophones and minorities.

    • I’m just sayin’

      Good news for the Quebec Nordique fans who want their team back.

      No way was the NHL going to be a pawn in a round of Referendum Insanity

      • sell the team Eugene

        good news for penny pinching Melnyk as well
        the Canadian dollar will probably go up a couple of points over
        the next few days

    • jtf927

      hey man, we are all glad the liberals won. we need more Quebecers like you dude.

    • s3nsfan75

      Have to say I am quite happy my fellow Quebecers put their foot down and said ENOUGH with this separation crap. With 70 % of Quebecers voting and putting a majority Liberal government in power pretty much states we’re DONE with separtism and the rest of their BS

    • Zelle

      Good news indeed. The majority of Quebec is anti separatism anyway. Quebec has always been a part of Canada and always will be, I hope.

  • Tony

    Hey guys… Can’t make it to the game Saturday (vs maple laughs) so have to sell them… $300 for 2 seats row B in section 213. yscalab@hotmail.com if interested. Sorry Chirp if this is not allowed.

  • SuckitPhaneuf

    Spezza for Kane, and Stuart.

  • Eugenius

    If Spezza did indeed ask management to “explore trade options”, then I hope Murray seriously pursues trade options this summer. Love him or hate him, he’s an incredible offensive talent. That being said, if he doesn’t truly want to be here to lead this team to a cup, see ya later bud.

  • Senator-Stanley

    Let me start by saying in no way am I a Melnyk fan. Let’s be clear about that to begin with.
    As much as we bitch about his internal budget, the Sens are in no position to be a serious contender the way this team is currently built. He may end up being a genius though.
    Melnyk has mentioned that if the right player became available he would look at signing them. With the Canadian dollar dropping as much as it has the expected salary cap will not be increasing as much as many have believed it would and may potentially drop the year after next.
    Some teams will be put into a position where they will have to unload very good talent for a less than stellar return.
    Let’s just hope Melnyk actually does what he says he will do and gets this talent.
    Cautiously optimistic fans need something to cheer about in this city!
    Go Sens Go!

    • Sandy

      Don’t hold your breath on that.
      Most single owners of NHL team have outside businesses that provide them their wealth and the NHL team is more of a play toy to them…
      Melnyk doesn’t have, reportedly, any decent outside businesses that are making him huge money. That’s the issue..

      • Andrews theory

        Bingo and that’s how a team is supposed to be run.

        I wonder if Eugene is buying second hand horse shoes for his horses at this point?

      • Zelle

        I believe he was hoping the Casino to be that cash cow correct? Not sure what his plans are now.

    • Aaron 2.0

      I hadn’t actually thought about the effect of the Canadian dollar dropping! That’s a great point. Most of this wealth is being generated by very few teams, including Toronto and Montreal. The drop in the Canadian dollar should definitely help with the cap. That cuts both ways though. It will cost the sens more (in Canadian $) to get talent too.

  • aegiszx

    The thing is, for as good as Spezza is, he’s not irreplaceable. He’s a VERY good player… but Karlsson is a generational talent. You can’t replace guys like No.65 but you can replace No.19 with young studs like Zibby/Turris/Lazar. Who’s to say Zibby wont blow up for 30 goals next season? Anything can happen.

    • Jonny

      Umm sorry but I would take Drew Doughty, Duncan Keith or Alex Pietrangelo any day of the week.

  • 010101010111111010101011111100

    Cops – Firemen hockey brawl

    see it here
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9WSCr7y68A

    Cops won the game – firemen won the brawl

  • Mitchell

    How does a man with no money try to open a Casino. Yet has a internal budget for a hockey team. He wants to make more money? It takes money to make money. Make a great team. Get results. Doing what your doing now well have the same chat next year.

  • Richard Gough

    I have been hearing trade ideas with Carolina regarding E Staal
    So I ask you, Would you pull the trigger on this deal if it make since to you
    Eric Staal for Jason Spezza for me I am still on the fence with it, but it could work if Murray want to make a coulter change in the locker room.

    • Aaron 2.0

      For me, it seems like too much of a lateral move. They’re obviously not the same player, but they’re sort of at the same point in their careers. I think it goes without saying that subtract Spezza, and our depth is weaker at C, but I still see bigger holes in other spots. Namely defense, and maybe wingers too (depending on what happens this off-season).

    • whammer44

      I don’t do it based on watching Staal play this year. If I’m Murray I’m targeting a dman that eats minutes

    • aegiszx

      Staal is not going anywhere. He’s going to retire a Cane, and you’ll probably see in the next few years, Marc Staal join their organization (if rumours are true that he’s being passed over for Captain and the Rangers are gonna name McDonagh).

    • Billy Bob

      If we get rid of Spezza it should be to go younger, get a first and a good young prospect who can play top 6.

  • MrQ

    Maybe a deal with the Avalanche centred around O’Reilly???

  • SensFanInMTL

    Yeah I’m sorry to hear that about Spezza. Sure gonna miss him.

    In other news, PLQ triumphs over all other deadbeat parties which ensures a referendum not in talks for years to come! We’re # 1! We’re # 1!

    • Aaron 2.0

      I won’t talk politics here. It’s one of my other loves aside from hockey – I know, I’m weird. I’m probably one of the only people who does both hockey and political pools! But, just glad anytime people exercise their right to vote! So many people literally would (and do) die for that right around the world.

  • Lorenzo72

    I am shocked about the lot of rejected comment on the subject Wiercioch. I think he is one of the most talented player of the organisation and we should keep and develop him.

    • Billy Bob

      I agree, he’s gonna be unreal and we’re gonna regret it for a long time if we let him go.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    What if we traded Anderson and Cowen to Vancouver for Markstrom and Edler?

  • Harv

    Quite a discussion and you have to say, Jason Spezza certainly motivates people to speak up – good or bad.

    If he has asked for trade possibilities then that says a lot of bad things about the organization and his treatment here in Ottawa. As some have said, a newly appointed captain asking for a ticket out of town is a slap in the face. But, on the other hand we are told and can clearly see that there is a rot within the management group that has to effect the players.

    There is no point demanding Melnyk spend money of he does not have the money to spend. Apparently some of his investments on in future profits. But, I find it odd that he is slammed for not spending money and slammed for trying to link the Senators and the CTC to other income streams. Quite honestly, folks, you can’t have it both ways.

    Murray has made some great moves and we all know which ones I mean – Turris, Ryan, McArthur fo starters. But, he has also made a few eye openers, the worst of which appears to be Phillips. But, overall I give him a passing grade based on his draft picks and the prospects I see lined up for NHL jobs in the future.

    McLean has driven me to distraction this year and if he is unable to develop a game plan with the players he has then I have no idea how he became the top coach in the NHL. Surely, a coach should be developing a plan to win with the hand he is dealt? Over time build your team if you wish but meantime get on with the plan and use the best players available to win games. You owe that to the fans and the players.

    If we can keep Spezza here, I am all for it. The guy is a highlight reel when it comes to offense. But, let’s not expect him to be something he is not. Let’s give him line mates that he can play with while not selling the farm in terms of wins. Hemsky and Spezza and Michalek look good. Can they keep it up for a year? Not sure, but I would sure like to see them try. If they can then we have two awesome lines. I have said before and say again, Z’Bad, Stone and Hoffman look like a line for the future. Why not let them build that future as the third line next year? That leaves Neil, Smith and Condra. I keep Condra because he is a PK guy and I think he is better than what he showed this year. DaCosta, Pageau in the wings and watch Lazar develop in Bingo.

    And, for Gawd;s sake – play Weircoch!.. Phillips is #7 D.

    So, my vote is – keep Spezza, let him keep the C (I have back off from taking it away from him) and use Turris and McArthur and Karlson as the “work ethic” models for enxt year.

    Guys – we have to keep Karlson happy, keep Ryan and Hemsky here as well as sign McArthur. Spezza may be the key to all of that and I, for one, am not willing to take a chance that he is the first domino in a series that will fall if we let him go.

    • xN1Cx

      I agree with everything said here. I don’t really see our defence being that poor next year if Weir- is given the opportunity to play on a nightly basis, and Cowen returning to form after a good off season. I think the key is Mac developing a system that works for these players (as Harv said). That along with a good off season will allow this team to compete next year. This is the best core we have ever had.

    • whammer44

      Lots of good points but I think it side steps the key issue if you want this group to stay together. Mgmt would have to commit $$ to Spezza, Mac, Hemsky, Milo, Methot and Ryan. I don’t think you want to start next season knowing 4 of your top players are entering the final year of the contract…not only that Zbad will be entering RFA status and in need of a raise.

      Also I’m stuck on the fact that Spezza asked BM to look for a trade. If this is true then we may as well accept the fact he won’t re-sign here and trade him now.

  • Pasky

    I think at the end of the day this team knows that it’s window of opportunity is still a few years away. You can’t compete in the NHL with a defense this young, and even our forwards group is still fairly young. And Lehner can use a couple years of maturing before become a bonafide starter in my opinion. So if realistically this team is 3-4 years away from being a bonafide cup contender, then I can see where they’re concerns lie regarding Spezza. He would be 34 years old by then, and has had numerous injuries already. So do you roll the dice and hope he can still be the point per game player that can stay off the IR, or do you trade him off while he can still be had for a good price? Calgary waited a few too many years for Iginla for example so do we copy that mistake?

    The other issue is if they feel that this year was an anomaly, and that if they upgrade the defense during the off-season, are we good enough to be a top contender in the East. Asides from Boston and Pittsburgh, it’s wide open as to who would be the next contender. So do you roll the dice think you can win in a year or two, which if that’s the case you keep Spezza around.

    • Senatollah

      Nice viewpoint. Biggest concern with losing (trading) Spezza is replacing his production. Still not sure the Sens have fully replaced Nick Foligno’s level of production for a third line tweener, second line fill in.

      If ZBad still projects to be a #1 line centre then roll the dice and hope within a year or two he gets there. Zbad has been bounced around all four lines this year, mainly the bottom two.

      • s3nsfan75

        That being said, improving the defence and cutting down on goals against closes the gap on losing spezza’s production.

  • Senatollah

    Chirp, any plans to watch (or organize a trip) for the BSens playoff run this year?

    Could be the last time in many years that they make the playoffs – if the Sens blew the $50m team internal budget this year by over $6m it must trickle down to the BSens.

    Given contract status and outcomes/future expectation i would not be surprised to see any or all of SDC, Cole Schnider, WHamilton, NLawson shopped to other teams (nice for them to have the opportunities) as their base AHL salaries are all due for increases.

    Also, if the Sens are BUDGET crazy they cant be happy that the BSens are carrying a few guys at high expectation contracts (big AHL $$$) that have struggled to stay with the team (Karlsson -ECHL/BSens) or not lived up to expectations, i.e. top 6 forward (WH). At least there are a few player on exceptional budget deals such as Claesson, would be nice to get a look at him in one of the last four games.

    • SensChirp

      In the works…

      • LeafsSux

        I would be interested in this as well. I live just down the road and wouldn’t mind joining you guys if this happens…

      • Zelle

        That would be so fun!

  • Ian Robinson

    With all due respect, Chirp, and that’s a lot, I can’t help but notice that you can’t seem to decide whether its possible, likely or serious. This seems like the type of speculation I’d expect from Yost – at best.

    • SensChirp

      Because I really believe that’s where it stands right now. They will measure interest. They have explored a deal. And he has asked them to do so.

      Until something “happens”, the language has to be the way it is, I think.

      • Doc

        And by “I think”, do you mean imagine, wish or is it just opinion.

        ;)

    • Corey Trevor

      Manage your expectations dude, Chirp doesn’t have a crystal ball. And he does offer his stance; ‘with rumours that Spezza asked Murray to explore his value around the trade deadline, it certainly seems like the groundwork has been laid for a summer time deal… but the Sens won’t give him away and are willing to keep him around until a sufficient offer is made.’
      The important thing to look at is, if Spezza did ask Murray to explore his value, what does that say about the chances of Spezza resigning? And if there isn’t a great chance of him resigning, does that mean Murray is more inclined to move Spezza before he enters the final year of his contract?

      I hope we keep Spezza and that he’s willing to sign a below-market-value contract for 3-5 years. However, based on the post, it certainly doesn’t seem likely.

  • iKarly65

    Cowen’s season likely over, coming from multiple reports (Ken Warren/Bruce Garioch).

    Career? Maybe. He may still be able to play, but his hip injury has limited that for him.

    Like him or not, at such a young age, an injury like he had last year is killer. He’ll never be the same. His mobility will be drastically impaired.

    No idea what this injury is or if it’s related, but it’s not good for him or the Sens.

  • Phoenix

    Well if Colorado was a team interested in Spezza I’d be looking at pieces like O’Reilly, Erik Johnson, and Seimens.

  • Cicero

    #19to2019

  • spoons

    The problem that I have in keeping Spezza is that he and Karlsson are high risk players and sometimes aren’t as defensive as they should be, which in my mind doesn’t make the team a future championship team. I would say build the team around Karlsson, meaning lots of two way players (like Turris and Zibanejad) and ideally, using Spezza to get a top 2, two way Dman.

  • stone169

    I figured that it would be Spezza being dealt this summer or at the draft, but I’m not sure anymore. I think it’s a given that Michalek won’t be back, and hopefully they can sign Hemsky. I think they’ll try Greening on a line with Spezza and Hemsky. Realistically they just need a big winger who go hard to the net. With Stone playing well with Turris and MacArthur, maybe it’s Ryan who gets dealt to make room for Stone. I guess we won’t know until this summer.

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