BSens Prepare for Calder Cup Run

SensChirp April 23, 2014 665
BSens Prepare for Calder Cup Run

While the long off season is underway here in Ottawa the fun is just getting started down in Binghamton, New York where the Binghamton Senators are preparing for another long post season run.  They’ll begin their quest for the Calder Cup with a best of five series against the Wilkes-Barre Scranton Penguins.  Game 1 of that series is set for Friday night in Binghamton.

The BSens head into their first round match up as the favourites against the farm team of the Pittsburgh Penguins.  Binghamton locked up third place in the Eastern Conference and first place in the East Division, four points clear of the Penguins.  The two teams met 8 times this season with the BSens taking five of those contests.  Their last meeting came on April 18th- a 5-4 win for the Senators in which Jean Gabriel Pageau scored three times and added an assist.

Luke Richardson had his team on the ice for practice on Monday  in preparation for Friday’s season opener.  For those of you that haven’t followed Binghamton closely this season, you’ll notice a number of familiar faces in their line up.  They got a huge boost from the return of Jean Gabriel Pageau. Mark Stone and Cody Ceci at the end of Ottawa’s season, which gives them a pretty good looking line up.

One player to keep an eye on in Round 1 is first line left winger, Matt Puempel.  He is coming off an incredible rookie season in which he scored 30 times, showing exactly why Ottawa grabbed him in the first round in the 2011 draft.  Depending on what kind of moves Ottawa makes this off season, he is someone that could push for a spot with the team as early as next year. On defence, Freddy Claesson has been turning heads all season.  He had 29 points in 75 games and was a team best +37 in a season where Bingo struggled defensively at times.  Claesson was recently named the team’s top defender.   Here’s how Coach Luke had them lined up on Monday.

Puempel-Da Costa-Stone
Prince-Pageau-Robinson
Dziurzynski-Grant-Schneider
Hamilton-Dzingel-Thompson

Borowiecki-Mullen
Claesson-Grant
Sdao-Ceci

During the BSens Calder Cup run a few years back, SensChirp and the Red Scarf Union paired up for a fun road trip down to Binghamton to catch a game.  Anybody that hopped on the Bingo Bus will tell you what a great time it was.  It’s unlikely we’ll be able to put something together for Round 1 (although I think they have their own trip planned) but if the BSens can advance past Wilkes Barrie, we’ll look to do something for the next round.  Stay tuned for details on that trip.

I’ll do my best to keep everyone updated on the Calder Cup playoffs but if you’re on Twitter, @PSBSens, @PuckJoy and @BSens_Hockey are all must follows.

  • FistsofNeil25

    It’s too bad Hoffman couldn’t have joined the team as well…stupid waiver rules.

    • sbs138

      I think they should’ve sent him anyways. He had already been sent down a few times and no one wanted to claim him. If someone decided on claiming him this time, I don’t think it would’ve been too big a deal…there are lots of replacements for a fringe NHL player.

      • Jakester

        This is exactly the time you don’t do something like that cuz one of the bottom dwellers will claim him!

        • FistsofNeil25

          Timmy would have claimed him without hesitation.

          • Jakester

            For one! Other GM’s also, speed is hard to find.

          • Tooks

            He wasnt the last 2 times, not sure anyone has interest right now. Other teams have their own prospects to look after.

          • Jakester

            He proved to be very effective, can really skate with a good shot, will only get better.

          • Tooks

            Every team has a couple of these types. They are gonna want to develop what they have before making a claim on an unknown player they didnt draft.

          • Sean Sadler

            actually no, not every team has a PP specialist like this guy. if GMs know anything about hoffman they will give him a shot.

          • sbs138

            agree to disagree I guess.

          • sbs138

            just like Corey Locke?

      • zBernatchez

        Conachar ring a bell…do we really want to do that again???

        • ChampIsHere

          Implying Conacher wasn’t sent down knowing Tim was gonna pick him up…

  • Sicilian

    Nice, a playoff team I can cheer for. Having trouble finding someone to cheer for in the NHL. The refs in the Habs’ games cheer enough for them already :)

    • sbs138

      that call at the end of the game last night was brutal. I just want the Bruins to kill em.

      • Tooks

        Bournival should have been in the box before all of this happened…

        • Jakester

          He held him down for a good 7-8 seconds, was ridiculous!

  • sprucesens

    thanks for the update chirp! have there been any rumblings on who of the RFA’s you have listed will be signed again for the Bsens? I imagine most will get discussions, but will maybe choose elsewhere where they may have a chance to play in the bigs.

    • Sean Sadler

      i’ve heard that prince wants out. normally he would be the first prospect to get a look at the big league, but ottawa has been overstocked for a while and he is getting fed up.

  • The Apostle

    Joy Lindsay (puckjoy) is a really good writer for the B-Sens. Is there any chance of you getting her to contribute to senschir?. A regular(ish) column from her through the playoffs would be great. Another idea would be to ask her to do a Chirp Ed piece on the prospects or a Q&A type thing where we submit questions that she can respond to.

    • SensChirp

      Cool idea. We’ve had a Bingo writer here in the past but he hasn’t had a chance to contribute this season. Maybe I’ll see if Joy has any interest.

      • Miguel

        how about Tim from Bingo, he was pretty good with all the daily happenings

        • SensChirp

          Ya I’m hoping he will be a regular around these parts during the playoffs!

          • Miguel

            Speaking of regulars with some great input ( not just a windbag the likes of myeslf ) where has MoeDozer been lately?

          • Jakester

            Or How about Tooks?

          • Doc

            He said “with some great input”, silly.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Disappeared when all the news about his man-crush Spezza broke out.

          • Tooks

            I’m here, not much to talk about that hasnt been beaten to death. Just waiting to see how all this crumbles.

          • Jakester

            Dats the vay tha cookie crumbles ya!

          • Jakester

            How bout. Spezza to the Leafs Tooks? What would be your take on that?

          • Tooks

            Would be great for the Leafs and terrible for the Sens. Unless we get Kessel in return, lol.

          • Jakester

            Wouldn’t want Kessel.

  • Jakester

    Shane Prince had the most even strength points this year(38). Pretty impressive!

    • Sean Sadler

      too bad he apparently wants out

      • bishbosh

        I bet he’ll hang around if Spezza, Michalek and Hemsky all leave.

  • Jakester

    Interesting last article on the 6th Sens, stats on when Karlsson and Spezza were on the ice together and when they were apart.

    Karlsson with Spezza

    Goals for/20min 0,877 Goals against/20min 1,206

    Karlsson without Spezza

    Goals for /20min 0,876(basically the same)

    Goals against/20min 0,802(0,4 less, almost have a goal less!)

    Quite interesting.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Interesting, but hardly surprising.

      • Jakester

        Basically away from Spezz, Karlsson is driving very positive numbers. Scary.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Scary, but not surprising lol all he has to do is clean his act up a bit defensively like we know he can and he’ll go back to be considered one of the best players in the game.

          • Jakester

            Yes but can he and does he want to? Two big questions!

          • FistsofNeil25

            I definitely can, there’s no question. Does he want to? I’m sure he does. He knows he has to be better and I would bet he puts in the work this summer and re-focuses to return to his Norris winning form. Players like Karl want to be the best and I think he knows he can be if he wants to be.

            It would certainly help to find him a better defensive partner though. Being paired with Cowen for a large junk of the season must have sucked the energy right out of the poor guy.

          • Jakester

            Was talking about Spezza, no doubts about Karlsson!

          • bluebuyyoo

            LOL!

          • FistsofNeil25

            Oh, I was talking about Karlsson from the start lol we all know by now that Spezza is either unable or unwilling to put more work into the defensive side of his game.

          • s3nsfan

            Apparently not if he wants out. Thought we were referring to Spezza, my bad

          • Sean Sadler

            his defence has only improved. any mistakes you saw from karlsson this season were no different than ones he had in his norris season. the only thing thats changed about karlsson is getting better at D, especially his body position and stick work

    • Tooks

      What about Spezza without Karlsson. Should be interesting aswell. Karlsson was a major factor in our goals against this year.

      • Jakester

        Let’s just say that Spezz and Michalek are the only two guys on our roster who had our goalies save percentage below 0,900 when they were on the ice. Our goalies Save Percentages when TUrris was on the ice was in excess of 0,930.

        What the above stats tell you Tooks is that when Karlsson isn’t on the ice with Spezza he’s a plus player!

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yeah that would be interesting to see actually. Karl and Spezz were two of our biggest liabilities without the puck. Then you throw in Cowen, Phillips, Greening-Smith-Neil and inconsistent goaltending from Andy and Lehner and no wonder we had the 4th worst goals against in the league.

        • Jakester

          Two things. Cowen didn’t help Karlsson for long stretches, and when Karlsson is on the ice the center has to pay attention to his defensive responsibility or it’s a RECIPE for disaster. That’s my opinion on what happened this year thus those telling stats.

          • Tooks

            Dont really want to get into it as its been beaten to death already but Michalek and the revolving door of 3rd line wingers didnt help Spezza either, lol.

            All this is moot anyways, as they have both shown before to be plus players. Spezza is a plus player in his career.

          • Zelle

            I just want to point out that Spezza had Greening and Conacher as wingers when he scored his natural hat trick, and they had a lot to do with it. He just didn’t seem interested in playing with them, unlike Hemsky. So I don’t think that he couldn’t play with less talented wingers.

    • Conor_smythe

      those exact same stats also strongly suggest that Karlsson plays better defence when Cowen is on the ice with him

      they also suggest that Cowen plays better without Karlsson

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    • xN1Cx

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      • spezzerman

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    • sprucesens

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      • spezzerman

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  • FistsofNeil25

    This RSU Spezza rally on parliament hill is freakin’ ridiculous lol

    • Jakester

      Maybe Spezza wants out, or just maybe we let Murray and MaCLean run the team the way they want to. Didn’t they have a rally a few years ago when the same thing came up and two people showed up?

      • SensChirp

        Ya, I can’t get behind this one unfortunately. Like I mentioned in the article a couple weeks back, Spezza is done with Ottawa. It’s a mutual decision this time around.

        • Jakester

          That’s the whole thing.

        • FistsofNeil25

          and if he’s going to be done with Ottawa, I’m happy that it’s now when we can get something decent in return for him than in a year when he can walk away for nothing.

          • Hax

            Excellent point and good on Spezza for asking out now rather than just playing out the string.

          • peetypuck

            I wonder if Burkie is interested in Spezza.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I doubt it, but even if he does what the heck does Calgary even have that we would want? Monahan and Giordano are untouchables.

          • peetypuck

            High draft picks. If you don’t want to use them they can be turned into a good player very easily. They’re just like having cash in your hand.

        • esk

          Source? Why does he want out?

          • Brutus5247

            PMAC!!! Wants the 200ft game!

          • runningbear1974

            I had a feeling it was going to turn out Spezza versus Maclean… Who do we want leading us… The unfortunate thing for Spezza to be successful, he needs very expensive wingers… And, a very expensive veteran d-core… And, a very good goalie…
            Why did Maclean change his ways this year? Because being nice wasn’t getting some of his players to behave the way he wanted to…

          • esk

            makes sense…detroit. Just funny they figure this out now. spezza has been the same type of player for years. This is year 3 for pmac…why the hell name him captain last year and do this. whos captain now..phillips? fuck dat. get rid of him too

          • runningbear1974

            Maybe hoping becoming captain would change his determination towards his defensive behaviour…
            - I really don’t like giving the captaincy to 1-dimensional players… If you’re not smart, you shouldn’t be the captain… In my opinion.. The captain should be able to talk with coach about strategy…

          • esk

            maybe..but its only been a year…a year where he came off an injury and the entire team sucked. Not a fair shot if thats what they were hoping for

          • runningbear1974

            I’m 100% certain Maclean would have talked about defense 2 years ago… I’m sure he would have tried and tried, and then decided to just deal with it… I think Spezza refusing to do defense is the reason he got Greening as a winger… Anyway, it’s one thing to not be the best at something, and its something entirely different to be the worse person on the team…

          • FistsofNeil25

            That would imply that Greening is good defensively. He’s not.

          • Zelle

            He would be a good fourth liner if he hit harder and was any good in the defensive zone. Sadly…

          • runningbear1974

            Yes and no… He’s committed to trying… He’s just slow to evaluate the situation and then make appropriate decision… I’m pretty sure Maclean would have asked him to lookout for the defensive aspect of playing with Spezza… It’s too bad our guys with the big bodies are slow at thinking, and make bad decisions… Too bad…

          • Zelle

            Yeah it really seems like the smaller players have the best hockey IQ. Pageau’s sense of the game is nothing short of amazing at times. He just seems to be everywhere the play is.

          • Zelle

            His own source. Journalists have anonymous insider sources all of the time.

          • SensChirp
          • esk

            lol

    • Hax

      I think if they do it as sort of “Spezza appreciation” it’s fine. If he’s truly done with the org at least he’ll know the fans (or some fans) are behind him and thankful for what he has done over the years.

      But yeah, if it’s a “keep Spezza or else” thing then that’s a bit silly.

      RSU is a good idea and they’re mostly hardcore fans but some of the ideas they’ve tried to run with have been pretty sad. Better than people that sit on their hands though.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I appreciate their enthusiasm but I don’t really know much about them. I think it’s kind of silly to have their own charter haha

        Regardless though there are other ways to show their appreciation for Spezza. A rally on parliament hill is rather embarrassing if you ask me. Even more so if you consider the fact that Spezza wants to move on.

        • Hax

          Well they started as “the real Sens army” but then the Sens asked them to change their name so they went to “Red Scarf Union”. I agree they’re pretty lame sometimes but at least they’re trying to support the team and get fans more involved.

          My guess is they’re mostly university students with somewhat limited resources. If it can grow a little each year then it could be cool. They sit up in the 300 level corner (visitor’s end) and sometimes succeed in getting chants or waves started. Sometimes they try really lame chants that don’t work though.

          • Zelle

            It’s a bit presumptuous to call themselves the “real” Sens army. Reminds me of “REAL women of Canada”.

          • Hax

            Agreed. I think it came from frustration over fans that either sit quietly during games or (worse) hate on their own team. I think they felt that they represented how “real fans” should act. While I think they’re dedicated it definitely is presumptuous.

          • Zelle

            It is kind of frustrating how silent the building can sound at times, I’ll agree. But I’m a Sens fan and a woman and I’m real dammit!

          • Hax

            Yeah. In the second period sometimes you can hear the players talking on the ice. Which is neat-o and all, but doesn’t make the fans look good.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            If they got smaller each year our fanbase would improve…. Wanted seats

        • Ian Robinson

          I’m confused.. are you really ragging on a group for wanting to support a member of the team who’s been with us for 10+ years? A point per game player who we would surely be worse without? Is that what is happening?

          • FistsofNeil25

            Yes, I think it’s embarrassing to hold a rally at Parliament Hill of all places to show support for a player that no longer wants to play in front of this fan base. There are other ways to show appreciation for a player than to march down to parliament. Ridiculous idea. I appreciate everything Spezza’s done in his career here and I think he’s a stand up guy, but it’s time to move on.

            And really will we be that much worse without him? We had him this year, missed the playoffs. Made the playoffs without him last year including a first round victory over the Habs. Finished 8th the year before. Missed the playoffs the year before that… it’s not like this guy has propelled us into contention in
            recent memory.

            The fact is that we’ve been a mediocre team for about 5 or 6 years now at least WITH Spezza in our line-up. I’m not saying we’ll be better without him short term but we seriously couldn’t
            be much worse.

      • avid_reader23

        I’m a member of the RSU & can understand that there’s likely a lot of misunderstanding about what the rally is about. Even within the RSU, there is discussion about it. However, I see it as a great motion by some members to show Spezza from support. I think the whole “Save Spezza” thing unintentionally implies that he is certainly to be traded unless this is a success or even that we have power over if he leaves or not. However, it’s really meant to show some support for a guy in Spezza who’s given the Sens & the Ottawa community many solid years on & off the ice. As he’s often a lightning rod for criticism, we simply want to show that there is support as well!

        Anyone having any questions about the rally or RSU in general, please feel free to ask them & I’ll answer as best I can.

        Really we’re just about trying to unite great Sens fans & create a great atmosphere at the CTC as best we can!

        • sprucesens

          yup, its good that you guys are trying to show spezza some love, regardless of if he is leaving or not. Let’s him know that not everyone is like garrioch

          • avid_reader23

            exactly. that’s really all we’re trying to acheive. it seems extreme, but it’s really just an attempt to bring some positivity to all the recent negative press. two sides to the spezza story! lol

      • avid_reader23

        PS given that you’re all here posting about the Sens – likely makes you all great & REAL sens army lol

      • avid_reader23

        changed the rally name to “spezza appreciation”… thanks for your feedback!

        • Hax

          I think that is safer since it shows that some fans want to keep him but also doesn’t make it seem like we’d hate him if he left (i.e. like Heatley) since I think he’s handling as well as he can under the circumstances. He’s never said anything the least bit negative about the org or ownership or whatever his problems are that make him want to move on.

          • avid_reader23

            I absolutely agree. Nothing but a wording issue! It’s a great effort. I hope they get a good turnout

          • avid_reader23

            Important to understand we all want what’s best for our team. We’re all on the same side

          • Jakester

            Glad you changed the name, wouldn’t want Spezz to start renegotiating his mortgage! ( just kidding)

          • Hax

            Never in doubt. It’s pretty much impossible to start something like RSU without the occasional misstep. It takes time to convert a silent arena into one that can hopefully challenge some of the loudest. Glad there’s a group willing to make that effort.

          • avid_reader23

            Just a group of average Joe’s trying to do our best!

          • sbs138

            not yet…

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Could have just left rsu is ridiculous… Bunch of idiots

      • Sean Sadler

        lol this guy is butthurt. probably got kicked from the group for swearing at people who didnt share his opinion. am i right?

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Nope

          • Sean Sadler

            i disagreed and was very outspoken about the HateFest for cooke. I told everybody it was bad publicity and they still went to the cbc. i said you could show hate for cooke without labelling it that way and it would have been totally appropriate. but thats about the only major thing theyve done thats childish. you literally have nothing on them, other than the fact that you have supposedly encountered members of the group that clearly disagreed with you over something. thats pretty subjective and can appear completely different if we talked to the people you obviously have an issue with. just remember its a group, and a couple pretentious people in it certainly dont speak for the whole group. just because it says “united” doesnt mean everyone in the group is like the people you talked to. its like any group, theres good and less than good people in it. now shutup and stop acting like you know this group better than anyone while suspiciously having never been a part of it.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Nope… I will continue to express my views on the group… Basically a bunch of want to be soccer hooligans that live in mommy and daddy’s basement.

            Enjoy the games… If you aren’t one of the idiots great… You should think about distance yourself from them, as I know for a fact that my views are shared by many others.

  • Hax

    Schedule for anyone that hasn’t seen it.

    Game 1 – Fri., Apr. 25 – W-B/Scranton at Binghamton, 7:05
    Game 2 – Sat., Apr. 26 – W-B/Scranton at Binghamton, 7:05
    Game 3 – Wed., Apr. 30 – Binghamton at W-B/Scranton, 7:05
    *Game 4 – Fri., May 2 – Binghamton at W-B/Scranton, 7:05
    *Game 5 – Mon., May 5 – W-B/Scranton at Binghamton, 7:05

    • Tooks

      Good chance to advance as most of their good players are up with PIT…

      • Spinorama

        TOOKIE you’re alive ! Have you been hiding in a hole since the Leafs choked. Lol

        • Tooks

          I was in Africa, helping out the poor doing some humanitarian work.

          • Jakester

            Good job!

        • Brutus5247

          Don’t get too cocky, we just didn’t save it to the end.

  • SensChirp

    Anybody planning on making the trip down for the games this weekend?

  • Brutus5247

    The problem isn’t the right side of the D pairings. The left side this year was the issue!

    • FistsofNeil25

      And Murray seems to be committed to the two biggest liabilities, Phillips and Cowen, while there have been rumors that our best left-side dman Methot isn’t in the organization’s long-term plans.

      • Tooks

        All I have to say is that PW46 better fucking play a regular shift next year. I think he’s shown in limited action that he is a step above Cowen and the rest.

        Methot Karlsson
        PW46 Ceci
        Cowen Gryba
        Phillips

        • boom

          Agreed, but i bet he won’t, sadly.

        • FistsofNeil25

          While I think that what you have is the best way to line them up, I believe we’re screwed if that’s our group of 6 or 7 defenseman for next year.

          I sure as hell hope we find a legitimate top pairing defenseman for Karlsson. That has to be our biggest need right now. Someone that can play 23-25 minutes a night, pp and pk. We desperately need a solid, all-round defenseman.

          XXXXX – Karlsson
          Methot – Ceci
          Wiercioch – Gryba

          If we had more room under the budget I would love to add another top 4 defenseman like Niskanen through free agency and then carry 8 d.

          XXXX – Karlsson
          Methot- Niskanen
          Wiercioch – Ceci
          Borowiecki – Gryba

          Include Cowen in a package for a top pairing guy and find a way to get Phillips off this team.

          None of that will happen though, unfortunately.

          • peetypuck

            Next season, according to capgeek the Sens will have 18 players signed at a payroll of $51 million. If Spezzas salary is deducted and Michalek and Hemsky are not re-signed they will sit at $44 million/17 players. That means they will only need to re-sign Lehner. They are going to have to sign another big salary to get above the cap floor because they will likely bring up Boro, Lazar and Peumpel. That won’t get them above the cap minimum.

          • s3nsfan

            Boro is a definitive, he’s on a one way next year.

          • peetypuck

            So where does that leave Cowen? Is he the odd man out?

          • Zelle

            I kind of hope so unless he shows MAJOR improvement.

          • s3nsfan

            I am no GM, but I can’t believe a player with so much promise can’t play better. IMO i believe it’s due to the injuries and the salary hold out last year, I think *as i stated in another thread* that with a healthy summer and full training camp he’ll be much better next year.

          • Jakester

            His skating his sub par.

          • Zelle

            That wouldn’t be a problem if he didn’t decide to pinch at seemingly the worst moments. He also makes a lot of bad judgement calls under pressure.

          • Jakester

            I agree he pinches too much for a turtle. That’s why he might be a liability. He would’ve been great in the clutch and grab era.

          • runningbear1974

            Either physical or mental problem… And, I’m not sure how to make people smarter, or think faster, or make better decisions… You can’t teach size, he’s got that… Let’s hope you can teach decision making…

          • peetypuck

            Promise doesn’t always turn out. If he has another major injury that could be the end of his promising career and he does seem to be injury-prone.

          • peetypuck

            If he gets moved along with Spezza that’s a lot of cap space to fill. It just might allow Murray to get that d-man the team needs.

          • Jakester

            He could be traded.

        • Zelle

          I’d personally prefer they seek out a top line LW for Karlsson and go with:

          LW – Karlsson
          Methot – Gryba
          Wiercioch – Ceci
          Phillips

          Reduced minutes for Phillips. One shutdown pair. One puck possession pair. And the top pair being Karlsson + someone who compliments his style of play.

          • Tooks

            I would also like to get a top 4 D but we dont have or wont spend the $$$ to get one. Niskanen would be the obvious choice but no way Euge wins that betting frenzy.

          • SensChirp

            Agreed. Not happening.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Signing a top free agent defenseman obviously is unlikely but what about acquiring one through a trade? Do you think Murray truly has faith in the group he has or is he just playing his cards close to the vest by saying that?

          • Tooks

            Well I think he would have gotten one already when we were going nuts with the Ryan, MacArthur, Clarkson, Nash offers. I think BMurr likes what he has on D, unless Spezza brings back a top 4 D man I dont think we go out and pay for one.

            What BMurr has to do tho is bite his toungue and accept Cowen sucks. Add by substracting, play PW46 over Cowen and things willl go much better.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I guess B Murr likes mediocrity then.

          • Jakester

            I would trade Cowen while he still has some value.

          • runningbear1974

            Ceci might be a solution to Cowen… We’re already training him at dealing with Phillips’ bonehead moves, hopefully he’ll be able to also fix Cowen’s bonehead moves…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Poor Ceci… It’s hard enough to play in the NHL as a young defenseman. It’s even harder when you’re forced to pick up the slack for a terrible defensive partner instead of focusing your own game.

            I would rather see Ceci paired with a solid veteran like Methot.

          • runningbear1974

            Yeah, in theory your veterans should be players you can trust in ALL aspects of the game… As an organization, we’re not there… That’s why I say step 1 is getting/building good veterans…

          • Uncle JOe

            And I swore as much as the other guy about horseface.. but I do think Cowen will have a better year next year. I am not ready to just throw him Under the bus just yet.

          • Zelle

            Good point. I’ll just keep dreaming. Honestly though how do they expect Karlsson to flourish into his own when he tries to do everything every game. Frustrating.

            I guess we can just wait and hope that Cowen turns out to be the defenseman they seem to think he can be.

          • Jakester

            Karlsson has to play that way, it’s the guys on the ice with him that have to be alert to their responsibilities to hustle back. Sens have a huge advantage having number 65, like having Bobby Orr or Paul Coffey. You just hAve to have hard working forwards out there!

          • runningbear1974

            No team is giving us a top 2 D… Or even a top 4 D… Even if we’d be willing to spend… We’d have to overpay in a trade…

          • peetypuck

            Nashville’s top four defencemen are getting $23 million in actual salary…Weber, Josi, Del Zotto and Jones. They can’t even make the playoffs. Poile might want to unload some salary.

          • runningbear1974

            Nice, that’s the trick, find a team that has too much defense, and then we can help solve their problems…

          • sprucesens

            yup, i posted a few times now, my wish of spezza for josi and forsberg. extra pieces here and there to even out. I think i added wiercioch for the sole reason that it doesn’t seem like we want to play him.

          • Jakester

            Not a bad trade.

          • Uncle JOe

            And why would that be a bad thing? Would you be happy if Murray signed Niskanen to a 7 million 8 year deal? You know.. Seeing he had one decent season..
            I like the guy, Murray will be in on him but he will not over pay and I’m happy about that.

        • s3nsfan

          You are forgetting Borowiecki is on a 1 way for next year.

          And this team aren’t idiots at drafting, they know Cowen has something, with missing two training camps, two major injuries, a season like that was inevitable. I would bet, that with a full healthy summer, and a training camp, he has a much better year next year

        • Sensturion

          HOLY CRAP!!! TOOKIE IS BACK!!

          • Jakester

            I rubbed the genie’s lamp and he appeared

        • Sean Sadler

          k dude i get u dont like phillips i dont either but he doesnt deserve the press box. you deal with players like that by scaling their ice time back, you dont need to take him out completely, he still contributes and wears an A.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Philips absolutely should be basically in the same position Corvo was in this past season.

  • over at the EKLUNDstein place

    Subban + for Eberle + at the draft

    • Tooks

      EDM would have to give more.

      • sprucesens

        i doubt they’d give much more. maybe eberle and a 1st for subban and their first, with the oil’s being #3. Eberle has longer 6 mill contract, while subban has a short contract and no guarantee of resigning. Will also want big money. However, i thought the speculation was yakupov+ for subban +, to reunite yak and galchenyuk

    • ghost of Moose Vasko

      hmmmm – Harvey / Langway / Chelios

      Montreal has never been afraid to trade Norris caliber D-men

    • Zelle

      You think they will be trading Subban?

  • esk

    what if we trade spezza and sign alfie…lol

    • FistsofNeil25

      Alfie’s never coming back here in any capacity. Not while Eugene is still around.

    • runningbear1974

      Lets move into the future… The past was never that glorious anyway…

      • esk

        :(

  • Ian Robinson

    SensChirp … the article you referenced from a few weeks was full of speculation. Now it’s suddenly source material for Spezza leaving being a mutual decision? You also said you’re the biggest Spezza supporter yet you’re ragging on him harder than most.

    • boom

      what did he say that was “ragging on him”?
      I’m a Spezza fan, but Chirp and I have gotten into a bit over the last year or two where Chirp has defended Spezza every time. I have never seen Chirp rag on Spezza…Melynk, yes, but Spezza, no.

    • Hax

      Yeah Chirp has never “ragged” on Spezza. He’s clearly aware of some insider info that he can’t directly pass on though (which is to be expected).

    • PraiseAlfie11

      Ian, I have come to learn over the years that chirp rarely speculates.

      Also, haven’t seen him ragging on spezza…ownership, yes, but not spezza.

    • runningbear1974

      From my experience Senschirp defends Spezza every chance he gets… He has been very respectful towards Spezza… I’ve never seen him rag Spezza even once…

    • Miguel

      you may have confused some of the posts for Chirp, as I too can attest that Chirp, has always defended Spezza on many occaisions from many of the negative posts on here. But there has certainly been many Spezza detractors on here as of late

    • SensChirp

      Huge Spezza fan. And not sure where you saw me ragging on him. That post indicates that Spezza talked to management about a trade and I stand by that. Certainly doesn’t mean I want to see him go. More so that I realize it’s just a scenario where both sides are ready to move on (assuming the right offer is there).

  • Sandy

    A more positive post.. thanks Chirp. It’s been pretty depressing lately reading all the negative.. some of it by me..
    Can we get onto more exciting stuff.. rather than Spezza trade talk and Cowen bashing?
    I’m excited to see what the B-Sens can do.. I assume TSN1200 will be airing the games.. love listening to Grady Whittenberg.
    Forwards look good.. D looks good.. but how good is the goaltending? Not having the online streams I did last season.. I didn’t get to see any games. God forbid, Sportsnet would show a B-Sens game.. like they do the Marlies..

  • sprucesens

    just found out i get tickets to saturday’s oil kings game for free! They are up 2-1 in the series with Lazar leading the way. I’ll be in box suite and cheering him on!

    • Jakester

      Go Lazar go!

    • SensChirp

      Awesome. Let us know how he looks out there

  • Sandy

    I know I suggested no Spezza — but this was an article by Mendes on Spezza in 2010… A lot of his points apply to the current situation..

    http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/mendes-scaring-off-spezza/

  • BeJamin

    I really enjoy this blog entry tearing up Phaneuf, we all knew he was bad, but wow… this just destroys him. http://hockey-graphs.com/2014/01/06/gauging-the-relevance-of-quality-of-competition-on-a-players-stats-toronto-maple-leafs-d-edition/

    • Brutus5247

      Ya Phaneuf looks bad but remember Corsi is a Shot at oppsitions net vs shots at your net. When you are playing against the best players you would expect your corsi to be lower. Unless you are always matched up best line against best line. Reality is most top lines are NOT countered by the best scorers but by the best checkers.I would not expect Smith Gryba Neils corsi to be very high as they are shut down players. Corsi is OK for offensive numbers but is limited to 70 of the 200ft.

    • jtf927

      mendes does raise valid points in the article. however, comparing spezza to nash is non-winning scenario for spezza. over the course of their careers, nash has turned into a far more complete and dominant player than spezza. he has represented Canada twice at the olympics and has won gold medals. spezza? nothing. i agree with the idea that spezza leaves so much more to be desired. i have been a sens and spezza fan for the past 10 years. i do believe that spezza has not played up to his potential consistently enough. he has flashes of absolute brilliance. he can dazzle. he can keep the puck on a string. he can leave fans on the edge of their seat. no denying these facts. however, nash is a far more complete player. he scores, he hits, and he defends. if i had to choose, i would have both. but if i could only choose one around which to build a team and identity, it would be nash.

      • Brutus5247

        No doubt for the complete game you pick the complete player. Can you imagine IF Karlsson was good defensively he would be multi-generational.

        • Jakester

          Karlsson can play good defence, he’s just still tentative on that one foot. Will be 100 percent come the fall. It takes more than a year to heal.

  • Deadly

    Thinking B Sens. Assuming number 19 is traded with some good pieces coming back.Earlier this season we saw some good things from SDC both in Ottawa and Binghamton. He seems to have gotten stronger on the puck and has very good instincts and puck handling skills. A definite asset on a power play.
    Wondering if this playoffs will be audition for a full shot ( 2 year contract ) for him.He still is young (24) and has good chemistry with a number of our younger players.

    Let’s call him, a poor man’s Spezza.

    Melnyk and SDC..

    I hope he is kept.

    • Sensturion

      We’ve all seen how good a player can be in the AHL (Corey Locke?) but that doesn’t necessarily mean anything in the NHL.

      • Deadly

        Yes ,you always mention Corey.Great AHL career with ample opportunities to show his worth in the NHL. He played nine games (9) in the NHL and only got one assist. Sounds like he played with Neil and Greening. Stephan has played around 40 games but many were early in his career (Clouston days) His recent 12 game stint produced 3 goals and one assist featuring better line mates and a bit of power play time.
        We are not exactly a power house a I believe he has turned a corner and worth a longer look.
        We will see.

        • Jakester

          Geez, without looking we echoed the same sentiment, Sort of. Lol

      • Jakester

        Oh ok, stop with Corey Locke every time we bring up a Bingo name! DaCosta has been up in the NHL and looked good. Locke when he came up was barely noticeable. Difference,DaCosta can skate.

    • Andrews theory

      I think he can play in the NHL right now but I’m not sure that he’s better than Pageau, Smith, Zibanejad, Turris

      I’m sure another team could work him into the lineup and he’d certainly be a great 5th center here. I don’t think he’ll switch to the wing which really limits his options with the sens

    • Jakester

      He could be a very good 3rd line center, was a lot stronger on the puck this year, won lots of board battles.

  • Zelle

    15 consecutive power plays for the Penguins. I’m not advocating make up calls or equalizing calls but I don’t see how one team can be so “dirty” to get so many while the other so clean to get none.

    • FistsofNeil25

      It’s typical. It’s nice to see this doesn’t just happen against the Sens. Teams like Pittsburgh and Montreal get all the calls. It’s embarrassing.

      • Zelle

        CBC stream announcer just called out the refs on the consistency of the calls. That’s honestly all any fan wants.

      • Sandy

        I was thinking the same thing.

        Saw the ‘Quiz’ on TSN intermission.. The reason Montreal won.. most of them said was their discipline… My eyes rolled in my head. The only discipline they had was favours from the stripes…
        I would really like to know the number of games this season.. with the score tied or the Habs losing by one… how many PPs they got late in the 3rd period. I bet it would be higher than we imagine..
        There was 1 in the playoffs.. and we know there was 1 against the Sens.. but my bet is there is a lot more..

    • bluebuyyoo

      Completely obscene!

    • Jakester

      Habs and Penguins, insane the bull we have to endure!

      • Zelle

        Pens finally getting some penalty calls against them, not sure what changed, but anyway Jackets are all over them again.

        • Jakester

          Good!

    • BeJamin

      It was 15 consecutive PP’s without a goal… Not PP’s in a row for the Pens…

  • Deadly

    Columbus seems to be running Fleury. The worst thing they could do would be get him out of the game. he could be their best asset for victory.

    • BFR

      Good call.

  • Conor_smythe

    Watching ANA vs DAL

    … is ottawa even considered an nhl team? I haven’t seen ANY of our players move like this

    • Sensturion

      Playoff hockey is another type of beast. Dallas barely made it this year, yet are finding another gear against one of the top teams.

    • Deadly

      Five f’n points from the playoffs.One year removed from the Habs-Sens battle.

      Yes they are.

    • Sandy

      It’s all about speed. Most of the teams in the playoffs have a lot of it…

  • Pasky

    Cooke gets 7 games

    • Jakester

      He should be in San Quentin this lunatic! Looks like a mass murderer, crazy eyes! The guy is nuts.

      • Zelle

        what gets me is the smirks he tries to hide when he apologizes for his hits, it’s disturbing

  • Zelle

    Definitely feel like Sens don’t hit enough watching games like Jackts-Pens, Bruins-Wings, Sharks-Kings, Blues-Hawks. The hitters just take over the play of the game. I found watching Habs-Bolts that neither team was really hitting.

    • Deadly

      In the 2013 season the Sens ranked fourth in terms of total hits.
      Playoff hockey magnifies everything.

      • Zelle

        Touche.

        • Deadly

          Sounds like you checked the facts. Amazing stat when you think of how we perceive the Sens. And Murray wants to add toughness.

          • Zelle

            No I didn’t this time, my reply was about the remark about playoff hockey amplifying everything.

            Although Cowen was second on Sens for hits for a bit and it hardly seemed like he put anyone on his ass.

            Also it was more of a comment on last year’s performance against the Pens than the regular season.

          • Zelle

            I feel like a failure atm but I actually can’t find stats on hits per team / per player.

          • Deadly

            Just typed nhl hits per team and it appeared.

          • Zelle

            I was typing senators hits players and it kept bringing up political stuff ._. thanks

    • Sensturion

      Playoff hockey is where you attempt to hurt players, not just hit them.

    • Deadly

      Smurfs are a peaceful bunch and Lightning never strikes twice.

  • Jakester

    You know what, we all know that Lazar has all the tools offensively and the desire to play hard defensively. The kid is a real leader, this will show you just how much he stands up for his teammates! This is how you get a team to follow you!

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=woMeT6vmBlY

    • FistsofNeil25

      Love this guy. Those are some hard rights!

      • Deadly

        Lol Fistsofneil can’t tell a left from a right.

        • Jakester

          I love this vid, no hesitation you hurt my teammate and you’re going to pay!

    • Daybreak Maidenhead

      ROCK STAR LAZAR

  • sprucesens

    watching the oil kings game, and all the medicine hat guys can’t stop singing the praises of Lazar. good to hear it coming from the opposing team announcers

    • Zelle

      dammit guys stop it lol making me anticipate his arrival to the Sens core even more!

      • Jakester

        Many experts are of the opinion he’ll never play a game in the minors! So looks like next October.

        • sprucesens

          thats what the announcers were hinting at, he’ll likely jump to the NHL. Almost had a highlight real assist. knocked down laying flat on ice, stick handled and set up a shot from the bottom of the circle, no goal though

          • Zelle

            Sounds like the type of player the Sens need really badly.

          • sprucesens

            he hasn’t been on the ice often through the 1st, but every time he has, its been a scoring chance. looking forward to hopefully watching the kings win the series on saturday. it’ll be weird to cheer for the home team. normally i just go to sens games here.(edm)

          • Deadly

            Have they compared his game to any current NHL player?

          • sprucesens

            not that i’ve heard yet, but he’s the only one they mentioned about likely playing in the NHL soon.

        • Sandy

          He can’t go to the AHL this season. It’s the Sens or back to the Oil Kings.
          I just don’t want this fan base to anoint him a star when he does play in Ottawa. If he struggles I don’t want this fan base turning on him…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Oh come on Sandy we don’t turn on our young players unless they are really bad.

            There’s a young defenseman that comes to mind that held out for an undeserved contract, missed training camp, and was probably the worst player on the team.

            Other than that guy, we always support our young guys. Lazar will be fine. He’ll get a try out with the team to start the season. If he’s ready he stays, if he isn’t he goes back.

          • Sandy

            With some of this fan base… not saying the guys on here… you never know… some are very fickle..

          • FistsofNeil25

            That’s the case with every fan base though, not just in hockey but in all of professional sports. We Sens fans are no different than anyone else.

  • Deadly

    Fleury ,the equalizer

    • Zelle

      I thought the same thing. Wonder if Sens would have had more luck last season with him in net.

      • Deadly

        Shero seems to have too much faith in him. He has struggled for a few years.

        • Sandy

          There alternative right now I think is young Zatkoff.. or whatever his name is. Don’t know the situation with Vokoun

          • Zelle

            I believe he got hurt earlier in the season and hasn’t returned.

            From wiki: “Vokoun was sidelined indefinitely after undergoing surgery to dissolve
            another blood clot in his pelvis during the 2013 preseason.
            On January 21, 2014, it was reported that Vokoun would begin skating in
            practice again, with no timetable as to his possible return.”

            So definitely not playing Fleury by choice. From what I have seen of Zatkoff he’s not much better.

          • Sandy

            But I thought Vokoun was back on the ice practicing?

          • Zelle

            Could be complications or just not healthy enough for actual games, not sure. I haven’t seen him in net since he left and Zatkoff came in though.

    • bluebuyyoo

      I’ll take “Choking Dogs Making Stupid Plays” for $1000 Alex.

      • s3nsfan

        What is Marc Andre Fleury?

        • bluebuyyoo

          Winner winner chicken dinner!

          I thought the tying goal with seconds left was terrible. However, the OT winner was simply unbelievable.

          • s3nsfan

            Luckily, for them, he’s only signed to one more year.

            Wouldn’t be surprised to see them move him this summer.

        • peetypuck

          What is Dion Phaneuf?

    • sprucesens

      he looks rattled now

      • Zelle

        If Pens win this game it will be despite Fleury. Like most of the time, really.

      • sprucesens

        FTW

  • Zelle

    Dubinsky with the most hits this post season with 22 so far and he’s just done an incredible job against the Penguins. I honestly think he’s been the biggest difference maker in this series for the Jackets.

    • sprucesens

      there was a reason murray tried to get him a few times

      • Zelle

        I’m really happy to hear they’ve been trying to get him. Even if they don’t at least they are looking in the right direction!

  • Andrews theory

    Fuck ya Nick Foligno

  • bluebuyyoo

    OMG! Fleury lost that one single handedly

  • Zelle

    Folignooooo and wow Fleury. Just wow.

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    what a bad goal..But what would it take to get Johanssen out of CBJ this guy is a slowly becoming one of my fav players.

    • FistsofNeil25

      It would take a massive overpayment my friend. He’s the definition of untouchable.

  • luckan20

    I was pumped and our former 1st round pick scored. Fleury that was a bad goal to let in.

  • Sandy

    What a comeback by Columbus.. Way to go Nicky… Nice to score the OT winner with your family in the stands… Brand new series.. 2-2.. best 2 out of 3.
    Fleury is not good enough for Pitts to go on a deep run again. That winning goal was badddd… Not that I’m complaining.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Sid and Geno have been invisible. It’s awesome.

      • Zelle

        They gave Malkin second star tonight though lol

  • Zelle

    I don’t even understand how Fleury thought it was a good idea to go behind the net with 35 seconds left to go and the Jackets all driving in. And then to let in the OT goal on a shot from nearly the blue line? Why did the Sens have to face Vokoun?!

    • Sensturion

      For the reason we just saw :P

    • Sensturion

      Also, Ottawa has a tendency to make good goalies look bad (Price, for example) ad bad goalies look good (Dubnyk… really?).

      • Zelle

        Yeah true… I wonder what the stats are for GA backups versus GA starters.

        Deadly? …haha.

        • Deadly

          Taking my name in vain…eh

          • Zelle

            Just thought maybe you’d have stats handy!

          • Deadly

            I do agree, when a back up goalie starts against us ,I always fear the worst.

  • Sensturion

    WOOOOOOO! Foligno SCORES IT!!

  • Deadly

    Can Fleury be sent down to their farm team..please. Even just for 3 games.

    • FistsofNeil25

      It took me a second to figure out why you’d want that lol

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    Anyone know why Hiller wasnt in from game 1? Andersen just got pulled.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Andersen played half as many games as Hiller in the regular season but he made much better numbers. My guess would be a Andersen got the start because of his better numbers and because Hiller is a UFA this summer and not a part of their future plans. Anaheim will probably roll with and Andersen-Gibson tandem next season.

  • sprucesens

    announcers going on and on about lazar again, after a great rush shorthanded. going on about how the sens got such a great players. looking good guys

  • Dirk-Diggler
    • runningbear1974

      My vote is go for Dubinsky or/and Jack Johnson… Those are a couple of real hockey players…

      • Zelle

        Hell yes I want Dubinsky. That’s a real playoff performer and against some of the top of the league players too. Incredibly impressed with him in this series.

    • Pasky

      Just out of curiosity, did you come up with any trades to come up to this roster or is this just a wish list of yours.

      Don’t think Letang helps since we already have Karlsson. Rather spend that 7M up front, considering that’s a young and unproven forwards group you got there.

      And after seeing MAF last night I’ll pass on him too.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        I traded to Pitt Weir & Andy + 1st 2016 for Letang and Flower

        I traded Spezza + Prince to NSH for their 1st in 2015 and Foresberg

        • Sandy

          No way I want Fleury in Ottawa… He’s not like he was. We have EK we don’t need Letang. Also, with his health issue this season… how do we know that doesn’t become a short & long term threat..

  • whammer44

    Looking at the full BSens roster, I’m curious as to the plan for guys like Robinson, Dziurzynski and Grant.

    Not sure if they plan to offer Grant a another contract (I would assume so), he looked like he could fit into a 4th line/penalty killing role a la Condra.

    Robinson is really intriguing…size, skill, speed…a bit of a late bloomer. Great plus/minus this season and not bad totals for his first full year of pro. He has the potential of being an ideal power forward and maybe the player that Greening wouldve, couldve, shouldve been.

    Not sure how Dziurzynski has looked this year…thought he had 4th line potential when he was up last year before he took one for the team.

    IIt will be interesting to see how these guys compete for 3rd-4th line positions next season.

    • Zelle

      I actually thought since Kassian was packing his bags that meant maybe they would give Dziurzynski another try. I assume he is 100% as he’s doing pretty good in Bingo.

      • Deadly

        I’m guessing you don’t mean the fighting part of Kassians role.

        • Zelle

          Big guy who hits, better with the puck, and willing to fight, yes. Not staged fighting though, which I always felt was Kassian’s role. Sadly his first fight was a bit of a mismatch, to put it lightly…

  • Zelle

    Turris v. Crosby! My favorite play by Turris this season by far:
    http://poy.tsn.ca/1-nhl2014/match/3-crosby-vs-turris

    • sprucesens

      if you refresh you can keep voting! haha. 10 for turris!

    • runningbear1974

      you can keep voting every 5 seconds… Love Turris :)

      • Zelle

        I’ve been trying! But Crosby is gaining ground, boo.

        • runningbear1974

          he is in percentage but not the difference… Turris only had 1000 more votes, and now he has 3000 more votes…

          • Zelle

            Good point I see what you mean. Woo go Turris! This was definitely a beauty goal and a great setup by Ryan.

    • Sandy

      I voted Turris… multiple times.. No brainer.
      Crosby standing and accepting a pass.. and shot in the net. Good goal, but no comparable to the play made by Turris…

      • runningbear1974

        19 hrs of voting left :)

  • Zelle

    Question for season ticket owners:
    It says “10% commission on referrals” – does that mean if I buy a season ticket pack on your referral you get 10% of what I buy?

    • Dirk-Diggler

      no… if you buy your package and I have referred you then I get 10% of your package in return… If you do want to sign up for a new account you are welcome to say I referred you! 533024 is my account number :)

      • Zelle

        ok yeah that’s what I figured. I’ll keep that in mind :) I still haven’t decided and if I did it would be a cheaper one lol

        • peetypuck

          I think the Turris line and the rookie forwards will be exciting to watch next year. I’m just not sure if they will win a lot of games.

          • Zelle

            I will go to games anyway I just have two things holding me back: I tend to work later hours cause I like strolling into work past 9AM and I have a dog so getting to games is tricky on week nights, and just my budget in general makes it tough for me to buy things in bulk instead of buying game tickets when I have the spare cash.

  • WolfInSheepsClothes

    Food for thought….

    If Milo doesn’t come back, does Bobby Ryan go back to #9….?

    • sprucesens

      or if puempel comes up, does he want 9 like he wears in the AHL? I think ryan keeps 6 but we’ll see.

      • WolfInSheepsClothes

        Would be kind of funny to hang a BR6 and BR9 Sens sweater side by side on my wall…..

  • peetypuck

    I’m just wondering if Murray will bring in any veteran forwards next fall. The Sens have their first line of Mac-Turris-Ryan. Possible second line Hoffman-Zibanejad-Stone, Third line Peumpel/Schneider-Pageau/da Costa-Lazar. Then there is Neil, Smith, Condra and Greening.

    • runningbear1974

      Not much conversation today :(
      Does Dubinsky count as a veteran?
      also, Greening, Smith and Neil should stop playing together because they don’t generate any scoring chances at all… Even if 3rd or 4th line, should still have scoring chances…

      • peetypuck

        Ya, really quiet now. I’d call anyone with at least four years in the NHL a veteran. What I’m wondering is what does Murray do with all the rookies/youngsters on the 2nd/3rd line. I’d hate to see him trade away Hoffman, Zibanejad, Stone, Puempel and Lazar to make room for someone else. Peumpel and Lazar can be sent down but if they’re ready for the NHL do you want to hold them back?

        • FistsofNeil25

          I’m pretty confident that Hoff, Zibby, Stone, Lazar, Puempel and Pageau are all in Murray’s plans, at least short term. Guys like da Costa and Prince will be the odd ones out.

          • peetypuck

            Unfortunately, da Costa and Prince won’t bring back a top 6 forward.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I think there’s a good chance we get a top six forward back in the Spezza deal, or sign a free agent. There’s just no way Murray goes with a second line of Hoffman-Zibanejad-Stone next year. No way. I think Murray liked what he saw with the MacArthur-Turris-Stone line, and he will try to find a left winger for Zibanejad and Ryan to play with.

          • peetypuck

            The only realistic UFA would be Matt Moulson. I don’t think there’s much chance of getting Vanek. Murray may have to take draft picks or prospects for Spezza. Dave Talon in Florida appears to be under heavy pressure from his new owner to show some results. Spezza for the #1 pick or am I just dreaming?

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t think it will be a big ticket UFA. Maybe another MacArthur-like signing. Oh and also don’t forget Murray wants to add a “harder” forward.

          • peetypuck

            Maybe he re-signs Michalek for one or two years for Zib’s left winger if he is willing to take a cut. If he gets hurt a few times that just gives Peumpel and Schneider an opportunity on the second line.

          • Jakester

            Ryan was an effective left winger in Anaheim, maybe second line of Ryan-Zibby-Hemsky

          • A-Train

            I don’t know about that. He hinted pretty strongly that some players ready to make the jump would be moved out in a q-for-q deal. I’d say Zib, Lazar and Stone are here to stay. The others are possible trade bait. Just my feeling.

          • peetypuck

            His nephew Tim might like a couple of our prospects and wants to trade for them. He has the #2 pick and the Islanders #5(?) pick. Hmmm, I wonder.

          • runningbear1974

            Trade Spezza, Michalek, Hemsky, Cowen, Phillips, and Greening…
            For… something good- jack johnson or weber

          • peetypuck

            That’s over $22 million in salary that you just traded to Columbus or Nashville. LOL

        • runningbear1974

          I don’t want to hold those guys back… I’d love to have Puemple, Lazar, Hoffman, and Stone in next year, but that does seem like a lot of rookies…

          • peetypuck

            That’s the problem. If you keep them up you can’t bring in more than maybe one veteran. The team is likely going to end up with a lot less points than this year too. Maybe a real shot at getting McDavid. That would be nice.

          • Sandy

            I think Hoffman & Stone will do okay… Puempel probably starts the season in Binghamton. I think I read somewhere that Richardson kinda hinted he would need more games in the AHL.
            Either Lazar makes it or goes back to Edmonton..
            Who cares if there are too many young players.
            For me.. it’s HOW they play.. how hard they work and how much drive and pride they have in their game. If they give everything they have and the team still misses the playoffs.. I’m okay with that. After all .. it’s supposed to be a really good draft in 2015.
            It’s this season that was so frustrating. This team was to take a leap forward from the previous season.. but it was a disaster on every front…
            I now have no expectations for next season. It’s just another step in the development of the “team”.

          • peetypuck

            I wonder if Murray has the cojones to tank next season. Imagine getting Connor McDavid in the draft? I hope I don’t get ripped apart for even mentioning this but I wouldn’t mind one more losing year for McDavid.

          • A-Train

            Nobody starts the year hoping to tank.

          • whammer44

            Even if you tank and have the worst record you still only have less than a 25% chance of getting the first pick. Odds are still heavily against you getting the pick.

          • spezzerman

            so lazar will still be too young for bingo next year, eh? he is not 20 until February. Him being back in junior next year is not ideal for his development. He could very well make the team next year just to avoid that alone

      • FistsofNeil25

        Yeah absolutely. We should never have to see the Greening-Smith-Neil trio together again. Just a terribly ineffective line.

      • Sandy

        Dubinsky would be a good addition, but I think Columbus will try very hard to keep him.
        If he goes to UFA.. a lot of teams will be after him.. and the Sens won’t be able to match any other offers…

        • peetypuck

          Everybody wants to get a Dubinsky. He’ll be sought after by a lot of teams.

          • FistsofNeil25

            I can’t imagine Dubinsky ever becoming available. I’m sure Columbus is prepared to make him a very rich man.

          • peetypuck

            They will if they’re smart. They have a much better GM and president now.

    • FistsofNeil25

      We’re going to need to add a veteran or two just to reach the cap floor.

      • peetypuck

        Without Spezza and not re-signing Michalek and Hemsky the team will have a payroll of $44 million (capgeek). I think that would leave Murray only having to re-sign Lehner, Gryba and Hoffman. That leaves about $4 million to get to the cap floor.

        • FistsofNeil25

          I read somewhere that the cap floor will be between 50-52 mill. Regardless, I would be awfully surprised if Murray subtracted Spezza, Michalek, and Hemsky just to replace their roster spots with Lazar, Puempel and Da Costa.

          There will likely be more subtractions than just 9, 19 and 83, and more additions than just the guys we have internally now. I’m willing to be that the team will have a pretty different look next year.

          • peetypuck

            Who else do you think will be moved?

          • FistsofNeil25

            I think a defenseman could very well be gone, Greening and/or Condra, and potentially (not likely) Anderson.

          • sens_bud

            If any defensemen is traded I think it will be either Gryba or Wiercioch. Although I’d like to see him stay, I believe Wiercioch would get the most return out of the two and with the emergence of Ceci, we could deal with the loss of a puck moving defense. Plus Gryba is a righty. If Murray decides to package him with Spezza, should be able to get a solid return.

          • Zelle

            I’m going with one defenseman, probably Gryba, one of Greening/Condra, probably Condra, and I’m hoping Anderson just because if we’re going with youth then may as well go with Lehner, and Andy won’t be pleased as a backup.

          • peetypuck

            That makes a lot of sense. Those players can all be replaced any time. There could be a lot of changes made this summer and Murray seems to be in the mood to make them. Out with the old and in with the new.

          • Brutus5247

            Cowen Phillips Wiercioch Methot Boro and Claessonon the left side and you think they trade a right shot?

          • Zelle

            In terms of what other teams might be looking for yes. They don’t seem to be interested in Boro so even if he’s traded I don’t think that impacts the possibility of Gryba being traded. They give Bingo guys a chance to come up but often their first time up isn’t for long, Ceci being the exception, so even if they tryout Claesson the chance of him staying up is slim. They seem intent on playing Cowen. They’re not trading Phillips.

            What I’d honestly like to see is a LS return for Spezza to play with Karlsson and line up:

            LS – Karl
            Wiercioch – Ceci
            Methot – Gryba
            Phillips

            But I doubt that will happen.

    • A-Train

      That line-up scares the crap out of me. Our second and third lines are all rookies with Zibanejad as the “veteran” presence. Connor McDavid here we come!

      • peetypuck

        We should have a vote to see how many Sens fans would prefer to see them tank next season and grab McDavid. I hear there is an American kid, Eichen (or something like that) that’s almost as good for the 2nd prize.

        • A-Train

          It’s not that I wouldn’t love to see the Senators have a first overall pick. It’s the collateral damage of getting there in 2014-15 that worries me. To be bad enough to sink that low we’d have to see horrible regression seasons from players like Karlsson, Zibanejad, MacArthur and Turris. Our goaltending would probably need to be atrocious too — think about Robin Lehner allowing 4-5 goals a night. Horrible losing streaks and probably a season ending in a fired coach and possibly GM.

          Would you be up for all of that if it meant getting McDavid? I wouldn’t, but that’s just me.

          • peetypuck

            If Murray goes with a lot of kids next year and doesn’t bring in any veterans the team could do worse than this year. That wouldn’t necessarily mean that Karlsson and the Turris line have to regress. They just might not get enough scoring help from the other lines.

          • A-Train

            Right, which I guess is what my original comment suggested.

            I just find there is a knock-on effect to a historically bad season. In the current context I’m fairly confident Maclean would lose his job if we finished 30th. And what about the guys we want to resign in 2015? Methot, Ryan, Macarthur. Unless they get deals this summer they’d be part of that epic fail of a season too and would be looking at their futures in that context.

            Tanking just isn’t where this franchise is at right now. A few years ago maybe. Not now though.

          • runningbear1974

            I don’t think so… There’s no way we’re doing worse next year… Karlsson alone will step it up…

          • peetypuck

            EK will have to be a lot better defensively. He tried to do too much offensively this year to get the team goals but he has to learn he can’t do everything. I guess that the urge to win in him is extremely strong.

    • Andrews theory

      Ya that has tank written all over it

  • 383

    Something that I’ve been thinking about that no one has really mentioned, is that in trading Spezza people are assuming it will be JUST Spezza going the other way. I feel like there’s a good chance we address our “8 DMEN” problem as well.
    Question is, who would you rather package in a trade?
    19 and PW46 OR 19 and Gryba.
    There’s no way we can have BOTH those guys on our team next year. The only way you’ll get back some value is if you package them.
    GO SENS!
    (GO JACKETS for now)

    • runningbear1974

      Spezza, Cowen, Phillips… Those guys…

      • esk

        if your gonna trade spezza..get rid of phillips while your at it!!

        • Jakester

          Or Cowen, make it a big package!

  • Sandy

    Chirp….
    Behave yourself in Philly.. Those fans are crazy.. stay out of trouble..

  • sprucesens

    to go with peetypuck’s and the big convo below, i think murray will try to get at least 1 player in the spezza trade to fill his void on the roster, with another top prospect and a pick. Then he will try to sign one UFA forward, vanek, cammy, moulson, callahan, stastny and so on. No guarantee to sign any of them. Michalek is the runner up safe bet. After that we go young. Some changes on D as well.

    • sens_bud

      I wouldn’t mind seeing Stastny in a sens jersey after watching him in action the first few games of the playoffs. He’s been pretty clutch and is working well with the younger faster MacKinnon. 4 20+ goal seasons in a row, not counting the lockout shortened season. Might get him for cheaper compared to the first few names mentioned above.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Stastny would be an awesome pick-up but he definitely won’t come cheap. He’s by far the best free agent center on the market.

        • sens_bud

          Your right, TSN has him currently ranked 2nd only behind Halak. Maybe I was fantasizing a little bit too much when I thought he’d come cheaper then a few other big names. Vanek wasn’t on the list though.

        • whammer44

          So if the Sens move Spezza, they have room (in theory) for a $7 mill/yr player which is around what its going to take to sign Stastny. Does it make sense to make him that guy? On paper his addition would make the loss of Spezza much easier to accept. Plus they could concentrate on a top 2 dman for the return on Spez.

    • Sandy

      Not much of a chance to sign Vanek.. (he probably stays in Mtl or goes to Minny) Cammy, Moulson, Callahan (can’t afford his demands) and Stastny…

      • sprucesens

        yeah, like i said, those are the bigger name FA’s, and i’m sure murray has them listed 1,2,3 and so on, and will try to get at least one. It’s up to the players though. Gotta find someone to give money. Like i said, if none bite, i guess we make an offer to michalek, and likely pay him more than he’s worth. Have to get pretty high money coming back for spezza too, at least 4 mill.

    • peetypuck

      If Murray wants to get some cheaper short-term veteran leadership there is always Iginla and Jagr out there. Theyre both possible UFA’s in July. Iginla made $1.8m and Jagr made $2m on one year contracts (capgeek). With the big jump in the salary cap coming up, teams will be going after the high salary players first… Vanek, Moulson, Stastny, Camalleri.

      • FistsofNeil25

        Jagr and Iggy will want to play for a contender at their age. I’m sure Iggy stays in Boston and Jagr will go to legit contending team or re-signs in Jersey.

        Plus neither of these guys are cheap additions. Iggy made 1.8 in salary and another 4.2 in bonuses for a 6 million total. Jagr was 2+2 for 4 million. I would love to see Jagr play for Ottawa but that’s not going to happen. He said late this season that he will either stay in Jersey or sign with a contender.

        • peetypuck

          That’s too bad. Either one of them would be great to have on the team for the youngsters to look up to.

  • Floridasensfan

    The only way I want to pick for McDavid is if BM gets another teams first next year and they suck.
    No way I want to be with the oilers.
    I am still stunned we resigned Phillips, Pmac staying assures we see CP with lots of power play time (shudder)

    • sens_bud

      Hopefully, if there is enough of a shakeup of the coaching staff, we will never see CP4 on the PP again. There may still be a use of him, but it is definitely not QB’ing our #1 PP unit. Or any PP unit for that matter.

      • Sensturion

        I like the idea of Methot on the PP. He has an underated shot.

        • Andrews theory

          He’s sure as shit better than CP4

          • sens_bud

            Most are! Methot is definitely a superior PP choice then CP4. He’s not the most offensively skilled D but in terms of options this year, it would have been much easier to jump on board with Methot, then it was the highest level of uncertainty that was CP4

          • Jakester

            Rather not see either on the pp!

          • Tooks

            PP should be written in stone.
            Methot Karlsson
            PW46 Ceci

            End of discussion.

          • Brutus5247

            Except PW will be gone so grind down the stone.

  • Brutus5247

    Phillips
    Cowen
    Wiercioch
    Boro
    Methot
    This is where the changes will surely be. Right side is reasonably solid.
    Phillips has a LTD no movement contract so he CAN be moved. I think they signed him as an asset that can generate a return vs just walking at the end of the season.

    • jtf927

      we need a solid defensive d-corp. i am watching the playoffs, teams like columbus and sj have incredible d who get in the lanes, block shots, and are very effective at moving the puck. we need a good group of dmen going into next season. the money we save on spezza, michalek, and hemsky can and should be used to sign one or two top dmen, mcarthur, and ryan. stone, zbad, hoffman, and lazar will fill out the forward ranks well.

      • sens_bud

        I agree that we need a top 2/4 D, but i’m not so sure free agency is going to be much of an option this year. Not a whole lot out there. Niskanen being the top, and with the playoff that he is currently having hes gonna be even more sought after then he was before. After that, its Markov (if for some reason he leaves MTL), then Zidlicky,Timonen and Gilbert. Trade might be the way BM needs to go.

        • jtf927

          yeah, niskanen while not bad, would not be at the top of my list. we need a shea weber type dman. wonder who would be willing to trade a top pairing dman for spezza?

          • Brutus5247

            OK just try a little logic.
            PROs
            Great on Faceoffs
            Can “dangle” and electrify once every 10 games.

            CONs
            Plays a 130ft game.
            Has a back issue.
            Seems to lack motivation.
            Will want a big pay raise.
            Coach hates his style.
            Is a minus 25
            Isn’t a natural leader
            Takes shots from ridiculous angles, 1% went in.
            Team wants him out.
            Can’t play with all players.

            You don’t think other GM,s won’t be trying to dump their falling assets in this trade?

          • s3nsfan75

            Not to mention he’s not opposed to moving on.

          • sens_bud

            Pros:
            Makes the PP a lot more dangerous.
            I’d argue that if paired with the right players (not greening or condra) he would be creating more of those electrifying plays.
            Experience.
            Was relatively healthy this year.
            Quality playmaker.
            Excellent shot.
            Great laugh
            Can be traded to 20 teams

            I think if BM works his magic, there’s no reason Spezza couldn’t bring in a substantial return to fill at least two weaknesses in this team. Be it some combination of a top 4 defense, top 6 winger, top prospect or a first round in this years draft or upcoming drafts.

          • jtf927

            i just think it might be possible for a team who has perhaps invested heavily on defense, or a team who wants a second line centreman. anaheim or maybe even the kings might be interested. i could even see vancouver. although i doubt he would work well in torts’s system. i don’t believe spezza is a falling asset, he will still put up a point per game. spezza’s lack of defensive responsibility is what is running him out of the team.

          • jtf927

            spezza is not really depreciating. he is still a point per game player. he would fit in well in a team looking for a second line centre or some offensive depth. i can see why anaheim and toronto are looking at him. i would not want kadri in a return. stud dman, young dman, and a 1rst round pick would be ideal. i could see BM packaging spezza and cowen.

        • jtf927

          i don’t mean to be discriminatory, but i want the sens to have more Canadian/N.A. players. i am watching the playoffs, and would like to see the sens play more like the kings or sj. fast, gritty, and defensively responsible.

    • bishbosh

      you can wish for it as often as you like, but Phillips isn’t getting moved.

      • Brutus5247

        But the option is there!

  • timwrx

    Killing me to say this…but I am unavoidably out of town this weekend missing both games.
    Honestly the Sens drew the worst team to face. The Pens are incredibly stout defensively and in goaltending. They have several NHL vets with loads of experience. Binghamton needs to win both games at home to have a chance because in Scranton they averaged 1 goal a game during the regular season. Grant/Dizzy/Cowick have to be the difference makers. Especially on the PK.

    • Jakester

      Who’s the backup Driedger?

    • peetypuck

      Let’s hope the reinforcements can help with the scoring…Stone, Pageau and Ceci. Ceci should have matured a bit since he came up and played 49 games in Ottawa.

  • timwrx

    Hammond needs to be spectacular and beyond

    • Sandy

      So they are going with Hammond in net and not Lawson?

  • Captain Karl

    Marchand has missed 3 wide open nets now. I wonder if the mafia got to him

    • Zelle

      Clearly he’s been practicing with Condra.

  • Deadly

    C’mon Boston..let’s finish this now.

  • Deadly

    Thx.

  • Hax

    Sorry to disappoint the Phillips haters, but they’re not trading him over the summer. The last thing this org needs is to sign a veteran to an extension and then trade him before it even kicks in.

    Moan about the extension all you want, but don’t assume that Murray is listening and will try and trade him to appease you.

    On the bright side, he’s clearly intended to be a 6/7 guy going forward (and playoff performer of course).

    • Brutus5247

      I don’t think it is that cut and dry.
      Didn’t trade him this year at the trade deadline because there was still a playoff chance. Needed to keep him around.
      You sign him to an extension for a reasonable amount so that he remains a tradable asset.
      Seeing who’s available this summer with CP’s (LTD no movement contract) you get an asset in return that you would have NOT go if he walked.
      IT OPENED UP A NEW OPTION FOR BM WHERE AN “ASSET” could be moved. Not saying it will happen but it was a great move IMO.

      • FistsofNeil25

        It’s a pretty gutless move to sign a guy to a contract extension only to turn around and trade him before it even kicks in. That type of move would be extremely frowned upon by Phillips’ teammates and the rest of the league.

        Plus, Murray has proven to be a loyal guy. As much as I don’t like it, Phillips is here to stay. I just hope he actually is used as the 6/7 defenseman as Hax mentioned above, but considering our lack of quality defenseman and the fact that Phillips sports an “A” on his jersey, he will likely get more playing time than we all hope for.

        • peetypuck

          I’m quite proud that Chris Phillips has been a Senator for life. At least up ’til now. He’s been as loyal as they come. He was one of the top shut-down D’s in the league for years but alas he’s slowed down in the past few years. He could have asked for much more money on the open market in his prime but he isn’t the greedy type. He’s well liked by everyone and he’s been an exemplary example of what we would like all hockey players to be. There isn’t a Sens fan that has any good reason to hate on him. He deserves our support.
          Go Sens Go

          • FistsofNeil25

            I feel the same way about Phillips’ career here as you do, but at this point in time we have to ask ourselves whether Phillips actually helps us win hockey games at this point in his career.

            At one point in his career he absolutely was one of the very best shutdown guys in the league. Now he’s one of the very worst defensemen on a terrible defensive hockey team. That’s the problem.

          • peetypuck

            The coach asks him to play too many minutes. They still depend on him too much. That’s not his fault.

          • peetypuck

            Hopefully, at some point if he can’t keep up anymore they move him to a position of assistant defensive coach to help improve the younger D-mens skills.

        • whammer44

          Agreed. That would be a Muckler move…and we know how those turn out…bye bye Chara. Murray doesn’t work that way.

          I don’t like it either. Its a ridiculous attempt to soften the loss of Alfie and now Spezza. I’m hoping for an early season groin injury that CP has to nurse for most of the year so everyone can save face.

        • runningbear1974

          To Phillips’ credit he did get better throughout the season… He was slightly better on powerplay at the end of the year… That only happened because of Maclean…

      • Miguel

        what would the asset be??? Kidding.
        I really do not think anyone would give up very much for CP4,
        He has been a very big part of a bad defence for about 3 years

      • A-Train

        As long as you realize that is your opinion…as in it is what YOU would do as GM.

        Because there is no way anyone who’s watched Murray over the years sees him extending, then trading, his longest-serving player.

    • Brutus5247

      Not that clear when you are paid 2.5mil!

      • Hax

        I don’t get this idea that someone’s cap hit relates strictly to playing time. If Phillips was 24 then maybe but there is actual substance to the idea that veterans often get paid more than their ice time would indicate. We’ve got Ceci on his ELC so does that mean he should play less? The whole value of Phillips is his “veteran leadership” which has little to do with his ice time or power play time.

        Scratching him is another story of course but they can spin that as “days off” from time to time like some other veterans get.

    • NO65*

      Let’s try to stay positive. I remember when Gonchar and Kuba had an awfull season and came back the next and were both excellent. Let,s hope this will apply for our D next season.. Can’t believe Phillips and Cowen can do worst.

      • s3nsfan75

        I think with Cowen being fully healthy this summer and a full training camp, he’ll be better. He missed a ton of time due to injuries and then missed training camp due to his hold out. I think he will definitely have a bounce back season.

        • Dadzsun

          I certainly hope so but for me he’s on his last strike. One more injury and I’ll forever be in doubt he can remain healthy.
          The issue that still confuses me is that many of his gaffs this season were mental. Not sure how that plays back to missing training camp when some of this stuff is taught in Junior/PeeWee level. It’s like his hockey IQ and physical abilities both took a hit this past season…

          • sens_bud

            I believe mental mistakes are in a large part due to preparation and confidence. Both of which comes from on ice practice, off ice training, game day prep, support from player’s, coaches and fans. Starting the season with contract issues might have caused some issues with management and coaches, or even some player’s causing him to lose confidence. Starting the season without training camp for sure might make a player without years of experience begin the season lacking both physical and mental confidence. All these could factor into his lousy season and untimely mental mistakes.

            Or maybe he’s just stupid. Not sure, but I think he deserves a full season without contract issues, injuries and a full training camp to be fully evaluated.

          • whammer44

            Sure that can be part of it but in Cowen’s case a lot of his mistakes are because of his foot speed and inability to react to the pace of the game. Its possible his injury or injuries are responsible or his poor play but it begs the question why did they keep sending him out game after game to consistently fail.

            My guess is he’ll be on a much shorter leash this coming season.

        • Tooks

          I dont see that happening, its not hat Cowen needs a better camp and training and all that, being healthy, bla bla bla. He’s never going to be effective, he’s slow, makes tons of mental mistakes, any team with some speed will be a nightmare for him.

          • A-Train

            Kills me when fans and analysts focus on a players “mental mistakes”. We’re not mind-readers people!

          • runningbear1974

            Don’t need to read minds… Just analyze… Is he making the same decisions in the same situations… Does he have options, does he use options, make the right choices… Does he stop skating to look around… Does he anticipate? Is he usually skating in the right directions… You can make some assumptions based on behaviour…

          • A-Train

            Skating in the right direction? Using options? Don’t really understand this language. Sounds like analyst talk to me…not to be trusted.

          • runningbear1974

            Mental mistakes are when a player has option(s) and either takes too long to make a decision or/and makes the wrong decision…

          • runningbear1974

            Fast teams and smart teams will take advantage of him…

          • Jakester

            Agree 100 percent!

      • bishbosh

        Phillips has been on an irreversible decline for 4-5 years. At some point you have to accept he’s not going to bounce-back.

        I hated the 3 year deal he signed before this one. The worst things about this new deal is that it was unsuprising and that the play of our other blueliners didn’t make him totally superfluous.

        Cowen, I can see stepping back up, better preparation would help and showing up to camp would be a big step.

        • runningbear1974

          That might be true about Phillips… He’s been declining… But, I don’t think he’s noticed, except for this year… This might be the first year he thinks his own performance was sub-par… Hopefully that’s the case and he decides to do some sit ups or something to get in better shape…

          • Hax

            I can be pretty sure that Phillips could skate circles around you.

          • runningbear1974

            Yeah that’s true, but so could every single other nhl, ahl, junior, and probably other leagues too…

          • Jakester

            Awesome, that’s what I comes down to now. Let’s sign beer league guys!

          • Zelle

            God help the NHL if the level of competition for players to beat is any one of us on this board.

    • runningbear1974

      That’s too bad because a Spezza, Phillips combo sounds like a good veteran pairing to trade…

      • Hax

        Yeah because we should trade away everyone over 25 for picks and prospects right?

        • Jakester

          Phillips can still be traded!

        • runningbear1974

          At some point in the summer i’ll write a list of everything wrong about Phillips… I don’t feel like it right now… I don’t believe he makes us a better team…

    • Aaron 2.0

      If he ends up being a 6/7 guy, I don’t think you’ll here fans saying too much. But, at 2.5 million per season, I don’t think management signed him with the expectation that he would be in and our of the line-up.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Reporter – “Hey Daniel, do you think you and the Red Wings can come back from this 3-1 deficit against the Bruins?”

    Alfie – “Uhhh, probably not.”

    • Tooks

      He hasnt even played all series…out with back issues…

      • FistsofNeil25

        It was just a joke Tookie. And by the way, he played in games 1 and 2.

        • Deadly

          So two more games than the Sens so far.

          • Tooks

            Yep, thats what he wanted, to play in the playoffs, so his assessment was 100% right.

          • Heisenberg

            stupidest thing ive ever read lol. everybody including alfie thought the sens would make the playoffs, he just wanted to win the cup. and that’s not happening this year.

        • Tooks

          Oh he did, never saw em, lol.

    • runningbear1974

      can the real slim Alfie please stand up

    • runningbear1974

      So, if Detroit loses next game… Was the 5 million for Alfie worth it?

      • Jakester

        In his wallet it was, no problem with what Alfie did.

    • Deadly

      Obviously,the post of the week.Good dinger.

  • peetypuck

    I’m looking forward to see how our young, hotshot prospects are going to perform during the playoffs. I’m counting on Ceci, Stone, Pageau, Peumpel and da Costa to lead the way. This is a good chance for them to excel before making the jump to the NHL.

    • Deadly

      I’m afraid calling them ” hotshots” is setting yourself up for a fall. They appear to be a good,well rounded group with varied skill sets.They are playing a strong team in a best of five series. Although Hammond had had a strong season the series may come down to goaltending and he is a rookie.
      I rate the series pretty even and hope that coaching might be the difference.

      • whammer44

        Not a typical rookie being that he is 26 but point taken.

        • Sandy

          He’s a rookie in the pros.. coming out of college.. That matters…
          Can he handle the playoff pressure against a much more experienced team in Wilkes Barre…

          • peetypuck

            That depends on his character, if he is easily rattled or not. Look at Marc-Andre Fleury with all of his experience. He still falls apart during the playoffs.

        • Deadly

          Rookie and age are not related. A college player usually is a rookie that is older.

          • whammer44

            Yes thats obvious. My point is that at 26 his maturity and experience would be much greater than a 20 yr. old rookie and you might expect him to handle it better…but we’ll see

      • peetypuck

        I don’t know much about Hammond yet. We’ll have to see if he can step it up now that the games are so much more important. At nineteen The Lehner carried the team to the championship. He’s the type that rises to the occasion the more important the games become. But I want to see if any of our forwards have that big game heroics in them. Apparently, young Lazar is having the time of his life pulling his Oil Kings team along with him.

  • aegiszx

    Congrats to Bishop for getting a Vezina nod…

    :| will he come back down to earth next season…?

    • The Apostle

      I feel that our goalies were doomed to fail this year and it’s partly because of that that Bishop’s season looks so good in comparison. I’m not saying he’s not a good goalie and hasn’t played well this season – more that the environment for our goalies was not condusive to good play.

      If we had moved Anderson or Lehner and kept Bishop I think the situation would have been the same. I think our goalie issues were at least as much a systemic problem.

      • sens_bud

        Especially if Lehner thought he could challenge for the number one spot. Coach/management (who ever makes the calls these days) made it pretty clear there wasn’t a chance for that when he was benched after his number one star of the week nomination.

        • The Apostle

          I think it’s good that Lehner believes he could challenge for the number 1 spot but I had no problem with the return to Anderson.

          I remember a whole bunch of people slamming the then coach for not going back to Emery after he got injured. Of course there were other things going on there….

          I didn’t like Lehner’s play for a bunch of the season and some of that is down to the organisation, but I’m not as distraught over the goalie decisions that were made as some. We spent many, many seasons without having a goalie you could rely on, I don’t think it would have been good to cast him aside in his first poor trot of form whilst a Senator.

          What I did like about Lehner was his obvious desire to improve and his willingness to admit his failings this season. That, to me anyway, shows a maturity from him that some people on here assumed he didn’t have. I also don’t believe it will hurt him to have at least another year backing up an established goalie. Will be interesting to see what his new contract looks like.

          • sens_bud

            Not saying it was the wrong move to play Andy as soon as he was ready, it just kinda silenced any rumblings that there might be a goalie controversy in the nations capital. From his play, Lehner might have initially taken that the wrong way and thus a few ugly appearances.

            Like you said though, he showed obvious signs of a goalie that wasn’t happy with his play and who wanted to get better, and who did exactly that late in the season. He came in when called upon and played excellent, reigniting my excitement about having him in the organization.

            I also think the tandem should stay together for another year or so. As long as both are playing well things should go smoothly, if Andy’s play starts to consistently be below that of Lehner I believe there could be trouble and Lehner may be given this team if he’s ready or not. Ideally both play well, which will give Lehner the chance as a backup with less stress/spotlight/expectations to adapt to the requirements of a top NHL goalie and also gain valuable experience, building him an excellent base to propel his career as a number one goalie. Similar to Boston with Rask and Tomas. Rask, perhaps with a comparable temper to Lehner, was arguably ready for the number one job years prior to actually becoming their number one. Not saying the sens are anywhere near the defensive stronghold that Boston has, but if we can allow both goalies to succeed together, which means greatly stepping up our defense, then we may just be setting ourselves up for years of success in net translating to success in the regular season standings and playoffs.

          • Zelle

            I think Lehner really grew as a player this season and that going back to Anderson gave him some humility.

      • Brutus5247

        Much were forward issues, high man, third man. Not many d got beat 1 on 1. Karlsson had a lot of trouble low. The idea is to isolate a d down low to a 2 on 1 or 3 on 2 situation. The forward(s) needs to be there to support this.
        Goaltending was average at best.

        • Tooks

          ALOT of D got beat 1 on 1, not many of the goals were high man or even 3rd man. They were giveaways by our D in our own zone.

          • Brutus5247

            Not where they scored. It was the rebound by the LATE man.

          • Jakester

            What are you talking about, a lot of the goals had to do with bad coverage in our own zone. Much of it had to do with the play of the forwards.

    • whammer44

      Well if you want to look at March-April Bishops Save % dropped to .904 and his GAA was in the high 2′s pushing towards 3.00. He had a great year…jury is still out on whether he can do it over the long haul.

      • Tooks

        He was injured, hence why the drop in effectiveness. Otherwise I dont see why he wouldnt have continued on the same pace.

        • whammer44

          So he was playing injured for the last 15 games or so before he went out for good with the elbow injury?

          • Tooks

            Yep

          • whammer44

            Well that sure looks like a bad idea right now

          • Sandy

            He has to have ligament surgery in his wrist..

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Congrats to Murray for giving away a Vezina candidate!

      • spezzerman

        oh please

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          It is fact

          • Aaron 2.0

            I can’t say that I love Murray trading within our own division. Especially a goal-tender to a team who’s biggest issue was in net. They’re a very good young team. They have work to do on defense. Bishop was certainly big for them this year. Hopefully, we see some regression to the mean, for our own benefit (still very happy for Bishop).

          • Brutus5247

            Someone had to go, Lehner and Anderson were playing well so they let him go…BFD. Hockey is full of gambles. Great he’s doing well.

          • Aaron 2.0

            No argument there – Someone had to go. I’m just not a fan of inner-division trades. They took a gamble on a player, it didn’t pay off. That happens – No big deal. I just don’t endorse gambling with my neighbours. Hopefully, lesson learned.

          • Brutus5247

            Probably the best deal at the time. Too bad Conacher didn’t work out. If he turned out to be like Turris, BM would be a genius, right?

          • Aaron 2.0

            Sure, these trades can go both ways. As you pointed out they’re all gambles. It’s just that when you gamble and lose in your own division it’s a double edged sword. It’s not just that you lost the trade. It’s that the team that won the trade is playing directly against you for a playoff spot. I don’t have any issue with the player that Murray picked up for Bishop. I’m sure it was the best player he could get. I just don’t like the risk involved within division.

            But, you’re right. On the flip side, if you trade in division, and win the trade ,then it’s a double benefit to you. It probably just says more about me than anything else. I don’t like to gamble; trading within division sort of ups the ante.

          • spezzerman

            we would have lost him for nothing last summer anyway

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Way to speculate…Had we traded Anderson(like MANY wanted) why would we have lost him?

          • Jakester

            Exactly.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            And how is that any different then us trading a Vezina candidate for nothing.

    • A-Train

      It’s hard to say. In today’s NHL, so much depends on the system played in front of him. And even if that is clicking, any of these guys are capable of crapping the bed. Look at Quick.

  • Pasky

    Spezza up against Toews in TSN play of the year showdown… Last chance to vote for him as a Senator in these things so head to the site!!! BTW Sens 3 for 3 so far so let’s make it 4 four 4

  • Sandy

    Cody Ceci… 1-0 B Sens.

    • runningbear1974

      Do you know link to the game?

      • Sandy

        Radio TSN1200 only.. that I can get..

        • runningbear1974

          thank you

    • Zelle

      It’s awesome that all of the guys that got sent back down are contributing so much!

  • Sandy

    Seems to be a few former NHL players in the lineup for WBS – Kobasew – Kostopolis , Andrew Ebbett

  • Sandy

    Another Sens prospect on the ice tonight for the Guelph Storm. Defense — Ben Harpur.. 6 ft 6… 210 lbs. Big lad…

    • Deadly

      He has some great plus/ minus numbers throughout his career.

  • Sandy

    Puempel may be hurt. Gone to dressing room…

    • Sandy

      Puempel back on the ice for the 3rd period. Missed quite a bit of time in the 2nd period. Good to see he’s back..

    • Deadly

      He’s back to start the third.B sens are playing poorly ,taking too many penalties.
      Regrettably all too familiar.

  • Sandy

    Interesting stat

    Joy Lindsay ‏@PuckJoy Apr 20

    Last season, Mark Stone and Stéphane Da Costa tied for #BSens’ scoring lead with 38 points. This season, 9 players had 40 points or more.

    • Jakester

      Highest scoring team AHL.

    • jtf927

      that’s good to know. that means we have offensive prowess in our prospects. hopefully that translates at the nhl level.

  • Jakester

    Doing a little Lazar research on You Tube, every fight he has is after a teammate gets plastered or boarded. This guy is a real leader, watch this one! Unbelievable, can really throw the lefts!

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=txU58wtLTOk

    • Michenator

      LAZAR FOR CAPTAIN!! hahaha. but seriously.

      • Garrioch’s reliable source

        you’d have to give me 100 to 1 odds to bet against Rock Star Lazar
        eventually becoming an NHL captain

        • Zelle

          Definitely captain material. I’m kind of hoping they give it to Karl next season.

      • Jakester

        Not saying he’s Captain next year! Would give it to TUrris.

  • Sandy

    Total of 3 goals waived off by the refs tonight… 2 of them were B-Sens.. one of them in OT.. Game still tied in first OT…

  • Sandy

    BSens lost in OT…

    • Deadly

      Princes kick in should of counted but they could not tee up the replay.

      • Sandy

        Bad loss at home though.. It’s a best 3 out of 5… They need to win tomorrow…

  • ProfessorPower

    although this ain’t for the Bsens..

    Spezza for Richards (20% retained) + D.King + 3rd round pick

    Prince + Wiercioch for Chris Stewart (20% retained)

    leaving us with Greening/Hoffman/Condra + Gryba for a dman

    Stewart-Richards-Ryan
    Macarthur-Turris-Stone
    King-Zibanejad-Lazar
    Hoffman-Smith-Neil

    • Don Ciccio

      Richards is awful……no thanks

    • sprucesens

      i would have to think if we were trading with LA, toffoli would be the primary target. But thats just me

  • aegiszx

    Wow, Caps org fires McPhee (understandable as he’s been there way too long and has really been soft the past few years)… but Oates? You go and fire the guy who got your franchise player to score 30+ goals again?

    He’s only been a HC for 2 seasons (after being an assistant for awhile), but I think the Caps are making a mistake here…

    • Shibal

      Oates got Ovechkin back in the offence, but despite knowing and watching how lazy Ovechkin is defensively, Oates did nothing about it. The real problem with the caps is Ovechkin.

      • Brutus5247

        What can you do to motivate a cocky Russian to play defense. Get on his case and he shuts down offensively as well. Like the announcers all agreed today you can’t have defensive liabilities and have a competitive teams.
        Seems to me we have a few of these 19 and 65 come to mind. Funny how when they come back from a year off the team is worse. Scored more but gave up even more than the contributed.
        I’m with the announcers get productive 2 way guys.

  • sprucesens

    going to the oil kings game tonight. hopefully they win and move on to the finals!! keeping a close eye on lazar

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Alfie season is looking like it will end in a couple hours. Sad to see him fail to realize his dream of hoisting the cup this year because he gave up a ton to try with the Wings.

    Looks like he should have chosen to join big Z in Boston if he was really serious about winning it this year. Boston vs SJ in the final will be a great series and who knows what will happen.

  • SensChirp

    Sorry for the few days without a new post. If you’ve been following along on Twitter you’ll know I was in Philadelphia for last night’s Flyers game and am in Binghamton for the BSens game tonight.

    Will have a recap on that game tomorrow!

    • Deadly

      Hopefully you can get them back into the winning habit.

      • Sandy

        It looks like the BSens could have been robbed of that win as the OT goal scored by Shane Prince should have counted.

        Saw this on another site:

        It was because the ref on the ice waved it off, and when they went upstairs to review it, the camera wasn’t wide enough, and they could not get a good enough view of his skate to conclusively say, and deem it a goal. So they had to go with what the ref called on the ice.

  • Zelle

    I never liked the Bruins but watching them play this series they are very impressive. Every member of the team seems to be 100% committed to playing the same game. The passes make sense, the errors are few, and they back each other up. I know the Hawks have been the more successful franchise but honestly I think I’d rather the Sens be like the Bruins.

    • Michenator

      The Bruins are so well built. Best in the league in my opinion.

  • Sandy

    I feel bad for Alfie.. He looked so dejected.. so defeated.. Maybe this is it for him..

  • Phoenix

    Ok I will admit I don’t feel bad for Alfie. So is it now called pulling a Sundin.

    • jtf927

      me either. he said that detroit stood a better chance of winning the cup. i guess it’s true, since they got to play an extra five games. :P

  • sprucesens

    well i took my try at a low budget team that would be super exciting to watch. Trades include: Spezza, Wiercioch, 3rd to Nashville for Josi, Forsberg,1st. Gryba, Cowen, Greening,da costa to Winnipeg for Bogosian,3rd. Condra to oilers for a pick, but he could be extra too, i just cleaned up the roster so its easier to see. Lehner and hoffman resigned for reasonable contracts. Hmm, it shows lehner at wrong price, i think i had 2.5 to 3.5 or something. Sign cammalleri for big $(6.5), maybe 3 years, so that he actually comes here, and so we can meet the floor, lol. Also needed a vet. To me this is a young, very fast, hard working team that can score on all lines. We would be quite young and have some struggles, but it would be a super exciting team to watch, and a vastly improved D core.

    http://www.capgeek.com/armchair-gm/roster/11353

    thoughts? Not sure which side Josi normally plays, same with forsberg normally a C i believe so some moves could be needed internally.

    • sprucesens

      there should be about 4 mill more in salary for hoffman, cammy, and lehner. It didn’t update my contracts properly

      • Jakester

        4 guys for Bogosian???

        • Jakester

          Not that I dislike your lineup. Would be nice.

          • Jakester

            Not a fan of Cammaleri’s , only negative I really see!

        • sprucesens

          yeah, i didn’t put a ton of thought into the bogo deal, but i think there is a way to get it done without any other players coming off our team. Cowen being the big piece, then some top prospects and picks going back. Da Costa, Cowen, Prince 2nd? I bet they listen to that. Biggest problem with me bringing up all the young guys, is bingo would be a bottom dweller no doubt. lol

    • peetypuck

      Not a bad looking line-up.
      You’re hired.

    • Brutus5247

      Brilliant but what does Winnipeg do with all their players and prospects..waive them all..let them walk..buy out their contracts…will never happen. Not even feasible.

      • sprucesens

        i really just sent the guys that i didn’t have room for on the team. It could look something like, Cowen, Prince, Da Costa and a pick for bogo. Its a Q4Q deal same as what we did for ryan. Teams do it all the time. Not saying its what they would want, but i imagine those 3 pieces definitely get them thinking about it. Big D with potential to replace bogo if he actually gets back to form, and 2 A- prospects, maybe B+. Gives them cap relief also, as they are a middle of the pack in spending team. Gryba was really just a throw in, because technically right now, it would only be the rights to gryba with no contract, but RFA status.

        And for the guys that don’t like cammy, you could insert moulson, vanek, stastny and so on around the same price point. It was really just a gamble on who would actually sign here. I just figure cammy is the most likely, and i know murray has liked him before. I would see moulson as the 2nd target, but i could see him staying in minny now. vanek will go to a top team. Stastny probably resigns in colorado. Tough to pay many other FA’s that kind of money, and it may well be michalek or hemsky’s spot if we actually made a pitch to them and they accept….

        • sprucesens

          and in this trade case, i guess greening condra to edm for a pick. Edm needs bottom 6 badly. And we could accomodate them without asking for much in return

  • Sandy

    Where the hell is Nathan Lawson?
    Hammond let in 3 goals on 5 shots? BSens down 3-1… Not good

    • Millennium

      Binghamton Senators ‏@BSens_Hockey 2h
      #BSens scratches: Driedger, Lawson, Rutkowski, Sdao, New, O’Brien, Dunn, Blood, Eckford, Culek & Karlsson.. Dzingel & Puempel also..

      • Sandy

        I know Puempel is injured.. but why not play a more experienced goalie in Lawson?

        • Jakester

          He’s hurt too.

          • Jakester

            He’s their starter so if he was healthy it wouldn’t be Hammond.

          • Sandy

            Hasn’t he been hurt a lot this season?

          • Jakester

            I think the latest happened with 10 games left.

  • luckan20

    We need to focus on a good goalie for BSens. They can’t rely too much on our offense. Looks like the series will be done shortly.

    • Jakester

      They have Driedger there in Bingo, maybe parachute him in for game 3. Hammond is nothing special to be honest!

  • peetypuck

    Mark Stone ties it up at 3-3 only 23 seconds into the 3rd.

    • peetypuck

      Stone in on all the Sens goals tonight…1 goal 2 assists.

  • Conor_smythe

    detroit eliminated from playoffs today

    lmao at alfie

    had to live in detroit all year… for nothing

    explain that one to your wife and kids

    • peetypuck

      He’s a sucker for punishment.

    • Deadly

      5 million..sweetheart.

      • Conor_smythe

        5 million = the number of abandoned houses detroit

        • Deadly

          You think he lives in Detroit…doubt it.

  • Deadly

    Chirp
    How big a factor have the ref been tonight?

  • Jakester

    Awesome DaaaaaaCosta!

    • Deadly

      Big win for the guys. Awesome game for Stone.

      • Jakester

        4 points fo Stone. DaCosta can really play, love to give him a real shot at 3rd C.

        • Deadly

          That’s what I said..a poor man’s Spezza.

          • Jakester

            Both 3rd line Centers nowadays! Cept you don’t have to sign DaCosta for 6 million and watch his back give out!

  • peetypuck

    Wow, Mark Stone came to play tonight. They needed that win.

    • Sandy

      They did need that win.. badly.
      Chirp.. you’re good luck for the Sens. Stay with them until round 1 is over. Okay..

  • luckan20

    Do they have the games on TV ??? or even streaming ???

    I would love to watch our future Sens in action.

  • Zelle

    “He said he enjoyed his first season in Detroit and if he plays another, he’d like it to be for the Red Wings.
    “I think at the moment, if I come back, that’s the likely scenario,” he said.”

    So yes no retiring in Ottawa for Alfredsson.

  • sprucesens

    oil kings won tonight! lazar looked good. One thing i’ve noticed, is he is just the happiest hockey player i’ve ever seen. Always smiling after a play. At the end of the game during a scrum he gets punched lightly in the back of the head, and the scoreboard zooms in on him. The building erupts in laughter as it shows lazar giving a giant pouty lip to the other team. Hilarious. When the game ended you could tell the rest of the guys love playing with him, as he was sort of the center of the hugs and celly’s. He was used heavily in all situations. PP, PK, center, wing and lots of 5on5, offensive zone and D zone starts. It seems he always seems to create a scoring chance every shift, and certainly didn’t give up much. Hoping i get some more free tickets for the WHL finals, Oil Kings vs Winterhawks

  • Michenator

    Lazar won the WHL’s Eastern Conference MVP!

    • sprucesens

      cool, didn’t know that

  • Zelle

    Thank you to everyone able to give updates and insight on Lazar and our BSens, much appreciated. :)

  • Brutus5247

    For you guys who think that as a GM you trade several your bottom players for a decent one, it DOESN’T WORK THIS WAY. Its really several of your bottom players for several of their bottom players and hopefully a new venue kickstarts them. Why would anybody take a trade where you give up a good asset for a group of borderliners when you only have 50 contracts in the organization. You might see a two for one but any more than that just won’t happen unless it is with higher end players.
    Saying Greening, Condra, Wiercioch etc for a good player just shows how little people know. Its like saying we will clear up some contract space and end up ahead in this game. OMG!!! If only the other GM’s were this stupid.

    • sprucesens

      i assume that was a shot at my bogo trade. i agree looking at it the price did seem a little low. I upped it to Prince, Cowen, Da Costa(with contract), and a 2nd. So essentially a high 1st, 2 2nds and da costa. When a team struggles to make the playoffs they want changes. Trading bottom 6′rs for bottom 6′rs is not a way to improve the team, its more like you said, to hope a new place helps them out.(dubnyk for hendricks type of trades) To improve you have to trade established players that other teams actually want, and usually, unless its a HUGE deal of star player for star player, its 1 star player, for a package of promising young players and picks. I imagine this package would be enough to get a deal done. Biggest downfall, was cowen’s bad year.

      Very rarely do teams trade star players. Once or twice a year if that. Last one’s to come to mind, are seguin to dallas for eriksson, st.louis for callahan. The rest of the trades are established players for multiple young guys. Richards, carter, Ryan, Iginla, vanek, moulson, and the list goes on. Rentals get you less, but essentially work the same way, usually just not involving a current young roster player(silfverberg types)

      But yes, any package including players like greening, condra, wiercioch are more to fill the roster spot vacated by any trade we would make, and not really considered a prime piece coming back. Really just insurance pieces so you don’t have to rush your own prospects

  • Yukon Cornelius

    This a very timely and cool article looking at which pro sports teams in NA are the smartest spenders especially with Melnyk loving to throw around that buzzword. It is worth noting that 4 of the top 5 NHL teams are above average spenders. http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-04-24/smartest-spenders-in-sports-2014

    • sprucesens

      yeah, it basically just lists the top teams in the league. Only out of place teams would be anaheim and st. louis. But yes, even just going to capgeek and seeing the top spending teams. They all made the playoffs except for washington and haha toronto… Spending = playoffs. Teams (ranked by spending)5,6,7,8,11 are the teams to have one the cup recently. And if i had to guess, were higher on the list in the respective years that they won the cup. Also, when we made it to the cup, we were a top spending team. Coincidence….?

  • Sandy

    So Bryan Murray’s instruction to Randy Lee used to be.. find me NHL players. Now it’s find me players who raise their game in the playoffs.
    I think that could be said for a lot of that young B-Sens club last night. Nice comeback against a more veteran team…
    Everyone knows I’m not on the side of trading Spezza.. but if it does happen.. could the Sens 3rd line potentially be.. Hoffman-DaCosta-Stone?
    Zibby then on the 2nd line with whoever you get back for Spezza and possibly Chris Stewart — with Neil-Smith-Condra/Greening/Derek Grant on the 4th line?

    • sprucesens

      i’m very curious to see who on the bottom 6 is going to be gone this year. Big changes, as alluded to by murray, would suggest a few are gone, but very tough to sell those players after the year they had.

    • sprucesens

      yeah, i could see da costa as 3C, but like you said, depends on what we get for spezza. If its a top winger or top defender, i see Da costa getting a year at 3C.

      • Jakester

        I surely hope so!

  • Conor_smythe

    ….. Ottawa needs a new skating coach.. these playoff teams are just flying out there

    really think Maclean is too easy on the guys when it comes to fitness

    rangers vs flyers, just unreal the amount of speed… nobody is chasing the puck in their own end

    ..so this is what hockey looks like

    • Deadly

      You are too funny.

    • hq8

      take a look at sharks kings and trust me, the sens of 2013-2014 will look like a bunch of pigs from that perspective.

      • Conor_smythe

        I’ve been watching all the series’

        really puts our season into perspective.. we had no business even talking about playoffs this year

        • hq8

          yup, same goes for detroit too lol….love alfie, but “they have a better chance of winning the cup”, ya – Bruins ate the wings, literally

        • Deadly

          Regular season and playoff hockey cannot be compared. Any team that makes the playoffs get a sudden surge of intensity and desire. Even last years Leaf experienced an incredible surge to take Boston to seven games,
          Players will skate harder ,block shots and hit above the season efforts.
          That’s why we love the playoffs so much.

          • Conor_smythe

            you’re right.. every single player in playoffs automatically gains the ability to skate faster than they were capable of skating during the regular season…

            and you say I’m the funny one

          • aegiszx

            Maybe not skate faster, but their competition level, will, intensity, their determination increases by X amount. Can’t deny some players– some PEOPLE in general thrive under big lights, and pressure situations.

            I was pretty critical of the Hawks re-signing Bickell to that ridiculous contract but fact is, the guy doesn’t just step it up in the playoffs, fuck hes a completely different player. Same with guys like Doughty, Krecji, Kane, and Alfie (I know but he was big)…

          • Deadly

            Agree..moving on.

    • aegiszx

      No, Mac can’t be hard on these guys, he needs to go back to being the player-coach, goofy, joking around with them… needs to let them do whatever they want, its what made them successful last two years.

      Edit: Exactly what BM said, not EVERY professional NHLer likes the hard-knock, hard lessons coach. Some players respond differently. i.e Karlsson, he’s a relaxed, calm guy, likes to play around. Be better if we have a coach like him as opposed to a tough guy like Torts.

      • Conor_smythe

        I dont think its about being harder on them, i think he just needs to switch his philosophy… systems only work if you have enough time to execute them

        skating drills arent fun, but they win games

        just because you’ve made it to the nhl, doesnt mean you stop doing skating drills

        • Sandy

          I think McLean does a lot of skating drills. Not many this season because of the compressed schedule.
          These guys know they have to be in shape when training camp starts. Some players are better at staying in shape than others.
          Each team has conditioning coaches.. and I’m sure on every team these coaches are meeting all of the time.
          Yes these teams are fast in the playoffs.. but maybe that is because the players on the team are fast players anyway. It’s how the teams were built…

          • sprucesens

            compressed schedule…??? i guess from the olympics, but that wasn’t that big of a change…

    • Deadly

      I think,at the NHL level,when players are paid millions,it might be hard for a coach to monitor fitness. Really not his job.Fitness coaches might be involved.

      • Conor_smythe

        lmao

        soooo, its possible to monitor fitness at every single level up to the nhl.. but as soon as the players are paid millions, its impossible to monitor?

        and yes, it is his job.. his job is to win games. if your players are chasing the puck and taking penalties because they are behind the play, that means you need to make an adjustment and get your players moving quicker

        thats exactly what a coaches job is

        penalties are a direct result of poor fitness

        • Deadly

          He always says ..best players play..so if they are not in shape the don’t play.
          He decides who plays .
          Teams have conditioning coaches ,trainers etc to monitor.
          Not sure if training is as big a problem in the NHL as it once was.

          • Conor_smythe

            what I saw all season, was our players chasing the other teams players.. chasing the puck, and taking tons of penalties

            teams do have conditioning coaches. but it is the head coaches job to decide how much time we spend training, and how much time we spend working on systems

            all Im saying is teams are skating circles around us.. watching the speed in playoffs and comparing it to what I saw from the senators, there is no doubt in my mind that our skating simply is not up to par

            Maclean can yell and scream, he can be soft and subtle. but the problem is not the systems, its our speed

            hoffman gets called up and makes the rest of our players look like chumps… how is that possible?

            is it because hoffman just happens to be a perfect physical specimen, or because Richardson skates his players harder than maclean

            my money is on the 2nd option

          • sprucesens

            well, hoffman is likely one of the fastest skaters in the league. In my opinion, its not the fact that he IS fast, but the fact that he actually uses his speed all the time. For example, michalek won the fastest skater, before that it was greening. But neither of these players skate fast during a game. Hoffman does. It’s a matter of work ethic. Hoffman has it and wants to play. The other 2 are complacent, and the coach seems to play them regardless of this. In fact, those were 2 of the players that got far too much ice time for their results this year. Just more strange decisions this year.

            But more to your main point, i’m sure our coaches work on all of the players skills every practice. But watching other teams, if they are more organized(systems) they don’t need to chase the play, because they are in the right spot, and are controlling the puck. So they are not taking penalties. It’s just as easy to say that systems causes penalties than our speed does.

          • Jakester

            We get out skated cuz we aren’t playing the right players that are available to us. Neil,Condra,Greening,Smith, and phillips are not all that talented plus they’re slow as hell. Flip these 5 for five from Bingo and you would see a much higher and faster compete level. We’ve just signed the wrong guys to contracts unfortunately.

  • hq8

    so the PMac curse has got to NHL14 also, in online mode it keeps putting out Chris Neil, Bobby Ryan and Zack Smith as centremen on my PPs…..anyone know the fix?

    • sprucesens

      lol. change the lines in lineup editor i think, if not at the start of each game you can move stuff

      • hq8

        lol tried that, the damn thing is hard wired. i feel so defeated when it puts out neil as the centerman on the PP or as the point man.

    • Deadly

      Why would you playing the sens? Wouldn’t you be better off with the Sharks and Kings.Better skaters and not pigs.

      • hq8

        a fan’s a fan after all. and hey, even if they are pigs, they are our pigs :)

        • Conor_smythe

          I always use the sens… or the flames.. just for the challenge

          • hq8

            man the flames must be really challenging haha

  • hq8

    btw, trotz and oates, both out of coaching jobs. since Melnyk is so gung-ho about spending on development and not on actual players, should offer those guys assistant positions.

    • sprucesens

      they won’t take assistant. Oates mayyyybe, but not likely. Trotz will be hired immediately as a head coach. My thoughts were he would replace oates.

      • hq8

        i think they should def go after Oates. it could help them a ton. just might be what Spezza needs too instead of another wild-goose winger search.

        by the way, has anyone noticed all the love Dany Heatley is getting after getting scratched.

    • Sandy

      Was wondering if there was a relationship somewhere between MacLean & Oates.
      I think he would be good for the team.. but does he want a head coaching job or will he go as an asst.
      Replace Cameron with him.. Cameron can be Melnyk’s shoe shine boy for all I care.

  • Deadly

    Best anthem ever to start the Hawks/ Blues game.

  • Captain Karl

    Jonathan Toews is a special player and Ryan Miller is washed up

    • Sandy

      That’s why I would prefer a Jonathan Toews to a Sidney Crosby. Crosby may score more goals — but Toews is a leader and a much better all around player.. and….
      not a whiner.

  • aegiszx

    Unless the Hawks collapse like the Leafs in the final 3 minutes… they are moving onto the second round! My bracket isnt a completely mess afterall lol

  • Sandy

    Well, if the Blues are interested in Spezza.. (not that I want him traded as many of you know).. as Bruce Garrioch said.. make them pay.
    Roman Polak, Jaden Schwatz and a 1st round pick in 2015..

    • sprucesens

      haha, my thoughts exactly. tons of players to like on st. louis

      • Sandy

        But you have to be realistic. You are not getting their top players…
        Jaden Schwartz is an RFA and a contract is due for next season.
        Polak signed until 2016/17 and is only 27…
        1st round pick in 2015 will be better than a 1st round pick in 2014..

        • Jakester

          Schwartz is one of their better players so don ‘t think we get him.

          • Sandy

            Well.. they are not going to get Spezza for a bunch of plugs. If they don’t want to do that.. maybe some other team will.
            If Pierre McGuire is right.. and that there are a few teams that would be interested in Spezza.. then they will have to pay or lose out..
            St. Louis isn’t given up Oshie, Backes, Shattenkirk, Piertangelo or Jackman…
            They are going to have pay with a good young forward — be it Sobotka, Tarasenko or Schwartz… I certainly prefer the latter.
            You want Murray to get players who will be with the Sens organization for a least a few seasons…

          • Jakester

            You want your package then Sens will have to give someone with Spezza.

    • Jakester

      Wishful thinking. But the Blues could use him, hope Hitchcock didn’t watch too much game film of the past year.Cuz Spezz wasn’t on the right side of the puck this year too often. Let’s hope he thinks he can change him.

    • Mclovin

      Buffalo owns St Louis 1st in 2015 via the Miller trade

  • sprucesens

    so…..spezza to st. louis for oshie +?

    • Sandy

      That’s not happening.
      Derek Roy’s contract ends this season, so Spezza there to replace him makes sense.

      • sprucesens

        but to that point, oshie had 4 points more than shwartz. does st. louis want the younger guy or the older guy. I really like both and would be happy with either. But to expect to get one easily, and the other not isn’t necessarily true either

      • luckan20

        Roy is a Ottawa boy, but I am 100% he don’t like Ottawa. Like you said, if Spezza ever moved to St. Louis he is going there to replace him. We need to grab the best assets possible. Definitely a top pick heading our way with one of theie elite player and a prospect.

        • sprucesens

          yeah, realistically i could see oshie and their first for spezza. But i also think we could maybe get more elsewhere. tons of good scenarios of players coming back from st. louis though

        • jtf927

          if we could get either shattenkirk or pietrangelo and ott for spezza and cowen, that would be a sweet deal.

    • FistsofNeil25

      Doubt we could get Oshie straight up for Spezz. If St Louis is interested in Spezza it will be to play him alongside the likes of Oshie, Backes, Schwartz, Steen and Tarasenko.

      No team is going to give up their best players for one year of Spezza. You know the quantity for quality type deals that Murray always seems to be discussing? That’s the type of deal teams will be looking for in order to add Spezza. It will be a trade similar to the Bobby Ryan deal.

  • luckan20

    Western divisional teams are much tougher to play against. Hawks are one of the teams I love to watch. They have a solid team. Now they will wait for the winners of San Jose vs. Kings.

    • aegiszx

      The good thing is, the Hawks have a winning record versus the Pacific… but they also had a losing record against Central. So now that the Blues are out of the way, they could make another deep run… not worried one bit about Kings/Sharks.

    • sens_bud

      Hawks will play winner of Avs/Wild

      • Sandy

        Hawks and the Avs would be a good series. I don’t like the Wild… It’s possible that Cooke could come back in that series… and I don’t want to see that bastard again this season.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Hawks will take down Colorado in 4 or 5. Same goes for Minnesota. Neither team stands a chance against the defending champs.

          • sprucesens

            i could see an avs upset. really hoping for the av’s to do well. NHL gets boring when its the same teams making the cup again and again. boston chicago again? why even watch all year… Go AVS

          • FistsofNeil25

            Avs aren’t that good. They’ve been pretty much outplayed and outclassed by Minnesota so far in the series. If it weren’t for Varlamov and the Landeskog-Stastny-MacKinnon line the series would probably be over.

            Colorado has had an unbelievable amount of heroics so far in that series. It’s not sustainable. Even with Duchene coming back for the second round.

            Chicago is world class. It’s going to take a team like San Jose, LA, or Boston to bring them down.

  • sprucesens

    so chirp and garrioch already thought the same thing, spezza to the blues? anything behind that tweet chirp? Or are you just speculating the same things we are, that there was a rumour the blues were interested

  • luckan20

    Even Tarasenko is not a bad idea. They have Oshie, Schwartz, Sobotka. I have a strong feeling we might get one of the above along with top pick or Paarjarvi. We could make it more interesting by sending Wiercioch and a prospect too for Roman Polak.

  • sprucesens

    wow, looking at st.louis, they have 16 players signed for next year. Basically their D, and their top forwards

    • aegiszx

      On paper, they are a very VERY good, deep team… Oshie, Tarasenko, Ott, Roy, Schwartz, Steen, Backes…

      I guess they are really just cursed like the Sharks of the past decade… Bishop (prospect), Halak, Elliot, Miller… who’s next? Jake Allen is in the AHL waiting his turn. Could he lead them to the promised land?

      • sprucesens

        i could see a miller allen tandem next year. The scary part is you only listed their top forwards, you missed pietrangelo, shattenkirk, polak,jackman, boumeester…

        • Jakester

          Miller probably moving on, wouldn’t be surprised.

          • sprucesens

            not many other top teams need a goalie. i’m sure he’ll be extended in short order. Miller isn’t going to a bottom feeding team, or even a middling team. He’ll want to win, and the blues commited to him. I’m sure he’ll be more than happy to sign

          • Sandy

            Moving to where? He wants to play on the West Coast. Most of LA, Ana, SJ have really good goaltending and not the cap room for what Miller would want..

          • Jakester

            Vancouver is on the coast, isn’t it?

        • aegiszx

          Yeah, wow. Their backend is ridiculously talented. Wonder where thie team goes now after consecutive first round exits.

      • Sandy

        I doubt Derek Roy will be back. Even though a lot of you don’t like him.. Spezza is a better offensive player especially with the good players on the Blues. Roy earned 4M this season.. the same salary as Spezza next season.. So it’s a wash. But the issue is the cap hit of 7M for Spezza.. Can the Blues fit that it..

        • aegiszx

          Don’t get me wrong, I like No.19 but I highly doubt Hitch can teach him how to play solid two-way hockey. A guy like Spezza goes completely against everything that franchise stands for…

          • sprucesens

            read chirps tweet, about hitchock singing his praises about being better defensively now. Its not super recent, but hopefully his view hasn’t changed

          • aegiszx

            Yeah I saw that… I dont know why I care so much, once he’s out of our hands, he can do whatever he wants with his career… just playing devils advocate lol not very often that teams will change their structure to accommodate a new player. Dale Hunter tried to force Ovi to play defensive hockey and look how that turned out.

            But until then, he’s our Captain…

          • jtf927

            yeah. reading that tweet made me wonder if perhaps the blues might look at acquiring spezza. imagine getting one or two of their dmen (shattenkirk or pietrangelo), and roy or ott? roy is from Ottawa. ott would bring us more grit and leadership.

          • Sandy

            With the proper wingers.. he’s an excellent offensive player.. and they need to score goals..

          • aegiszx

            They had 5, 20+ goal scorers, and 4 others who almost reached… they almost had 9, 20+ goal scorers…. I dont think they had trouble scoring at all… Not to mention overall, they were 6th in the league behind of course only Hawks, Pens, Ducks, Bruins, and Avs.

          • FistsofNeil25

            A guy like Spezza is exactly what that franchise needs! They’re falling short the last couple season because they lack the top-end offensive players to go up against the best teams in the west. They need a guy who can generate offense and how many of those players are available this summer? Very few and Spezza is one of them.

          • aegiszx

            Just as I wrote below to Sandy, they didn’t have any problems scoring… 7th in the league during regular season behind the Pens/Avs/Sharks by just a single goal (248 goals, the others had 249)! I think they just pissed off lady luck again for whatever reason (the loss being EERILY similar to last year is just wtf)

          • FistsofNeil25

            There’s a difference between scoring in the regular season and in the playoffs. When things tighten up in the playoffs you need top end offensive players to help get you over the top.

          • Aaron 2.0

            On the flip side, they already have a lot of great 2-way players on that team. That might not be what they’re missing / looking for.

            Also, the system that Hitchcock utilizes is far easier to play, defensively. Boring as hell to watch at times. I like our system. But, in our system, if you lose support in any one area of the ice, things go from bad to worse quickly. Our system is a little looser. Spezza might benefit defensively from Hitchcock’s more structured style.

          • Deadly

            With the power plays that the did not capitalize on ,Spezza might of been the difference.

        • sprucesens

          with the cap going up sure. especially when we are getting a player or 2 back

  • luckan20

    An interesting we should be aware that whether Hitchcock will be brought back next season, His contract is coming to an end; therefore, Spezza heading to Blues is not a sure shot.

    • Captain Karl

      I think Hitch will get one more chance. They would have been better off with Halak in nets. Miller stunk

  • BigDaddy

    I will be the first to say I don’t follow the Blues closely. That out of the way, unless we get a Tarasenko, Oshie, Shattenkirk or Petro, I am not interested. I can’t see the Blues giving up one of these guys up so I am not as excited about a Blues trade option. Schwartz is good, but small and has only proven he can put up 50 points. If it would be him and a pick I would be rattled.

    • savagestix

      50 pts in first complete season is not bad, not many players accomplish that… Just saying

      • BigDaddy

        I don’t get Berglund since he is listed as a C. We don’t need a center coming back. I guess Conacher has made me a bit skiddish with getting any player with a small sample size back…..and we need some size, not a 5″10 190 pound guy.

        • Jakester

          He plays left wing too. He’s 6’4″ would be nice with another good piece.

          • Jakester

            MacArthur-TUrris-Ryan
            Berglund-Zibby-Stewart
            Paajarvi-Hoffman-Stone
            Smith-Grant-Lazar

            Oh we pick up Stewart from Buffalo too! Haha

            Hoffman is a natural Centerman.

        • FistsofNeil25

          What’s wrong with having another center? You can never have too many centers

          San Jose – Thornton, Marleau, Pavelski, Courture Hertl, All natural centers and they have 3 or 4 others on their active roster.

          LA – Kopitar, Richards, Carter, Stoll, Toffoli etc

          Boston – Krejci, Bergeron, Marchand, kelly, Campbell, Soderberg all natural centers

          Colorado – Duchene, O’Reilly, Stastny, MacKinnon, Talbot, Mitchell

          It’s important to have lots of center depth. You can never have too many.

          • BigDaddy

            Have you seen the points Berglund has over the last two years……I want to puke. I get that Spezza is a UFA at the end of the year but I hope we can get something more then that. He is still an elite player and we are not handcuffed as much as we thought with his NTC. Look what Buffalo got for Vanek……and that wasn’t even for a full season. They essentially got a 1st, three seconds +.

    • Sandy

      Schwartz would be part of the package. He is more than just a scorer… He will be a good player… he’s only 21..

      • Jakester

        Actually Sandy your idea with a little tweaking would be amazing. Schwartz would be a great addition.

    • luckan20

      No way St. Louis trading their two PMD. Schwartz could be a one season wonder. Hope not. I have feeling Berglund will be dealt our way. He fits BM tough forward. Obviously a top pick too and a prospect.

      • Jakester

        Maybe two swedes Berglund and Paajarvi.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Berglund + Rattie + pick would be my guess. I hope people don’t have much higher expectations than that. I would be very surprised if we get a quality young player like Tarasenko or Schwartz from any team. It’s not like we’re trading the Spezza from 2011/2012, we’re trading a soon to be 31 year old Spezza with a lot of recent injury issues and one year remaining on his contract.

          • Aaron 2.0

            I’m glad you and a few others keep pointing this out, especially the term remaining on Spezza’ contract. It’s easy as fans to get wrapped up in just thinking about the player, and all of his accomplishments. I like Spezza. I don’t know if trading him is the right or wrong move. But, expectations do need to be tempered a little bit about the possible return, so that poor Murray doesn’t have an angry mob show up at his door.

            I think the framework of your deal makes a lot of sense. A player that can help now, a prospect, and a pick. Having said all that, Berglund is a carreer 0.5 PPG player. I’ll admit, I was hoping the player coming back would be a little higher in the point-production department. Maybe closer to 0.60 – 0.65? I don’t know much about the prospect, and have no idea what the pick would be, so it’s probably hard for me to comment on the trade in its entirety. But, I think you’re in the ball-park!

        • Sandy

          I think Paajarvi was a flash in a pan..,

  • LeafsSux

    Anyone else watching the Ducks/Stars game? What a 1st period!

    • Sandy

      What a 3rd period. Ducks with 2 goals within the last 3 min to tie the game. Looks like OT. The Ducks were just about done.. but never gave up

      • Deadly

        Leafs collapse …. Reminiscent

        • Sandy

          Not quite…

          • Deadly

            No,that one was ” priceless”

    • Deadly

      Yes,might be up all night.

  • Sandy

    Ducks win in OT. Crazy game.
    What we have learned in the playoffs so far.. NO lead is safe.
    Stars are done..

  • Hax

    Between the Blues collapse, Dallas’ impatient owner and whoever loses the Kings/Sharks series there should be enough of a bidding war on Spezza that Murray will not get hosed. I’d like to see him add to get someone really good from one of those teams (one of the guys deemed “untouchable” but who might actually be available given the desperation).

    Time will tell.

  • Deadly

    Looking forward to Chirps impressions of his recent trip.
    Philly and Binghamton must of worn him out.
    Wondering what he thought of Claesson and Wideman ?
    Also wondering if Schneider is ready to push for a spot?