Borowiecki Continues to Impress

SensChirp November 17, 2013 133
Borowiecki Continues to Impress

It was another sixty minute effort where you would be hard pressed to find a positive in the performance put forward by the Ottawa Senators.  Much like the night against the Philadelphia Flyers, Paul MacLean’s team was not ready to play from the moment the puck was dropped and just got outworked by the opposition.

The end result was another humbling home ice loss, this time to the tune of a 4-1 final.  Erik Karlsson would score the lone marker for the Senators on a 5 on 3 late in the third period.

On a night where you would be hard pressed to find a positive, Mark Borowiecki put forward another strong effort on the blueline.  Despite taking a few penalties on the night, Borowiecki was one of the few guys with a pulse, and landed a hit that had everybody talking on Columbus tough guy Jared Boll.  While some were suggesting it was a case of “targeting the head”, I disagree. To me this was just a good, solid hit.  The play was called an elbow on the ice.

Borowiecki has come in and brought some life to an otherwise struggling Ottawa blueline. He’s averaged around 14 minutes a game and has been a physical presence on the blueline, racking up 21 hits through seven games.  He’s probably going to force the hand of Bryan Murray at some point soon as we know the team would prefer not to carry eight defenceman.  I don’t see how the Senators can send this kid down the way he has been playing since getting the call from Binghamton.

Another look at the hit that got him tossed from the game this afternoon.

After the effort the Senators put forward on Sunday afternoon, I suspect the trade rumours that have been swirling around this team of late to pick up steam on Monday.  I don’t know if there is move for Bryan Murray to make that keeps the team within budget but we shall see.

  • Millennium

    I think for one game, Mac should sit everyone remotely sit-able, and play as many call-ups as possible. Just to send a message to his team to wake the hell up

  • MoeDozer

    im not saying hoffman will fix all our problems but its really about time we insert a fast skating guy to the line up..everyone other than Macrthur line conacher zibby grant has looked like an incredibly slow skater on this team. even so-called fast skaters greening, karlsson michalek have looked slow.

    a trade may be imminent. I used to think its just our D that is the issue now im starting to believe the real issue is we have no foot speed. we were considered as one of the best/fastest skating teams just last year…now everyone looks like they are skating in sand..

    • SensChirp

      Calling up Hoffman and juggling the lines a little bit could give the forward combinations a little more balance. Maybe something like this?

      MacArthur-Spezza-Michalek
      Hoffman-Turris-Ryan
      Conacher-Zibanejad-Condra
      Greening-Smith-Neil

      • Jacques

        At least you have the general idea, the Smith line has to be the fourth line. Greening, Condra, and maybe Conacher are very sittable IMHO. Grant, Hoffman and Pageau should be in the lineup. Condra does zilch doesn’t hit anybody or hit the net for that matter.

        • Millennium

          I don’t think we can keep that many contracts with the big club, so playing that many call ups would requires waivers/trade etc.

      • NickofTime

        At what point to we give up on Conacher & what does Condra do that Grant hasn’t done better. BM/PM need to move both those guys along with Corvo out for something, anything. We have better options in Bingo with Hoffman & Stone & we should be using them. Ottawa needs goal scorers &Conacher & Condra are not scoing so why not bring up a couple of guys who are point producers. I’m not interested in SDC or Pageau, we have already seen that they are too small & too soft for the NHL & have had their chance, they are doing well in the AHL which is where they belong.

  • 65kwhissell19

    boro got to stay. maybe he will rub off on cowen just a little bit to bring hit hard hitting I hate this dman game back

  • 65kwhissell19

    call up Hoffman I agree 100%.. send down grant or start benching the players that are still not getting it at all

    • Jacques

      Bench Grant??? How about Greening or Condra first they bring very little to the dance.

      • LeafsSux

        That makes sense as well… Grant does hustle and is playing better than Condra.

    • LeafsSux

      I’v been saying this for weeks!!!! Great call…

  • T K

    I don’t think there is a skill issue with the Sens but there is an attitude issue. The old “pesky Sens” used sheer force of will to win. They owned the puck and made others chase them.These new Sens have lost their mental focus and waste too much energy chassing the puck.

    Maybe Alfie’s daily lessons in “keep away” were the secret weapon to mastering puck possession.

  • Aaron 2.0

    I love your optimism, Chirp. After a game like today’s I often feel the need to take a tiny break from hockey; I get too emotionally invested after the team plays like that, and it ends up affecting my mood a little bit. When that happens, I have to put myself in time-out. I imagine it’s the same for a lot of fanatics. But, here you are highlighting the good in Borowiecki. I got to be honest, and say it would have been tough for me to expend the mental energy to write something positive about the team after this afternoon. Good on you! Interested to see what the lines look like next game. Something has to give.

    • 65kwhissell19

      that’s how we stay positive by saying the good.

  • MikeS

    The best guess I have is that the Sens just dont care vs some teams. Against detroit and Boston we saw them come out to play. Even some games they carried the play but just didnt play a full 60. How this team cant play a full 60 consistently just doesnt make sense

  • MikeS

    Also im guessing shanny will throw the book a BORO since hes a no-name sens player, unfortunate, but probably how the league reacts

    • The Apostle

      I agree completely.

      Points in Borowiecki’s favour are that Boll wasn’t hurt and he was bending down slightly. Points against are he clearly hits him in the head and the argument will be made that Boll was in a vulnerable position (even if he put himself there). The biggest knock against him however is that he’s a young kid making his way in the league who nobody outside of Ottawa knows or cares about. I can easily see him getting 3-5 games.

  • do due dew doodoo

    Yet another crappy AFTERNOON game

    Why can’t Ottawa play games at normal times ?

  • WaitingSince92

    Feel bad for Murray. We have some pretty serious problems to fix (stabilizing presence on D and someone to play with Spezza). Hard enough to do withOUT being constricted by a budget.

    He’s going to have to do something, but the best available moves might just be steps sideways, not forward.

    Good luck, Bryan, you’ll need it.

    • Andersonfan41

      Maybe Murray can trade some players at the deadline and get some picks and hopfully they strugle again next year so we can get the first overall pick I would like to see Connor McDavid in a Senators uniform!

      • laffin681021

        I’m not trying to bash you or anything, but I’m not sure where your heads at as a fan. Why would you want your own team to struggle just to get a player? we have many ingredients (give or take a couple) to be a real contender. We aren’t in the total rebuild stage anymore so getting McDavid is probably not going to happen. Instead you should hope for our team to do well with what we have and get in trades (inevitably) because we won’t win a cup anytime soon if we waste a year AND THEN have to wait for McDavid to develop into a Crosby like he’s projected to.

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      Don’t feel bad for Bryan at all. He wanted the job and he can’t lose the job.
      Awesome position to stay employed no matter what the results are. :)

  • Kielbasa

    It’s really unfortunate that the only player on this team right now, from last years roster that has impressed has been Turris. Then you have have the likes of Ryan, MacArthur, and Borowiecki – all who have come out and impressed, but have come from elsewhere.
    Maybe Alfie leaving has left a scar on the core of this team that is deeper than many are willing to admit. The heart and soul of this team basically stated in public that this team doesn’t have what it takes to make a push for the big prize. Maybe that alone has planted the seed in the heads of the majority of returning players that they can’t compete.

    Or maybe this team really isn’t that good. I can think of only one game this entire season in which they looked competitive and strong; in which they dominated from start to finish – and that was the game against Detroit. Other than that they looked complacent and disinterested in competing.

    Thank god for the players like Turris, Ryan, MacArthur and Borowiecki. Without those little glimmers of hope from time to time, fans in this city would have little to nothing to cheer about.

    • Sensturion

      A good team would stand up, say ‘Screw you Daniel. We don’t need you!’ and play their hearts out night in and night out. So far, that’s happened once this season… against Alfie.

  • http://www.hockeydrunk.com/ procdaddy

    I’m on the Hoffman bandwagon as well. I liked what I saw last season and I’ll take Pageau over Grant any day as well.

    • Jacques

      Grant doesn’t have to come out! Lets just get rid of Codra that ship has sailed!

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    Proposed 3 way trade

    We get:
    Michael Stone & Tommy Fleischmann
    Fla get Andy
    Pho get Michalek

    Lehners ready. Thomas isnt going back to Florida next year. So this works for all. Milo goes to play with his Bro, and we get help offensively and defensively NOW. Not later

    Oh and I’m o the Hoff and Pager bandwagon too

    Freeeeeeeeee Pager. But when he comes back… Never put him on a line with Kassian…. Again. … EVER. Kassian makes players look bad. .. rdally bad

    • s3nsfan

      Kind of throws a wrench into your plan if PHO doesn’t want a player using up that much cap space with broken knees and 3 goals, doesn’t it?

      Just sayin

      • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

        If thats the case its no secret amongst nhl gms. Arrrgghhh I hate you Clouston & Heatley!

  • Jacques

    Our third line has to be Dynamic not another Mucker line!

  • Steven Stevens

    I don’t think we can call Hoffman up unless we send Boro or Zibanejad back down because they are the only two on two way contracts otherwise other players would have to clear waivers.

    • Steven Stevens

      And Grant too.

      • Jacques

        So Murray has to pull the trigger. Quantity for Quality again. GO AHEAD MAKE MY DAY – MR. MURRAY! (in my best Clint Eastwood voice).

  • FBP

    I feel like we’re about to get destroyed in a trade.

    • s3nsfan

      Yeah cause Bryan Murray has Mike Milbury history in trades…

      Have faith.

      • TookieIs100PercentRight

        Tried to trade Corey Perry for Mike Comrie.
        Traded Ben Bishop for Corey Conacher.
        Traded Heatley and a pick for Cheechoo (Bust), Michalek (Bust), pick (got Lehner I think (win)
        Traded Rundblad for Turris (win)
        Traded Silfverberg, Noesen, pick for Ryan (win looks like, depends on pick)
        Pretty spotty record, some wins and a fair number of losses.

        • hq8

          actually, um what people always miss is that it was Rundblad + 2nd for Turris.
          in a way we got fleeced because Turris was not even on PHX’s playing roster at that time and not getting along with their coach. by all means Turris has turned out amazing, but i dont think that was an even trade for Ottawa.
          the Ben Bishop trade is going to become a real sore spot when we play Tampa in our current playing form and get completely dumped on while losing important divisional points. that was a trade Bryan Murray, now should never have made. He should have traded Bishop to the western conference. it was a stupid stupid move to trade this guy into the eastern conference. Bishop being back in the Atlantic division is going to sting more than Alfie going to Detroit and its going to sting for a long long time. Conacher, is already diminishing returns.

        • MikeS

          Never heard about the perry trade. Bishop for conacher I wont judge for the next few years. Both Andy/Lehner would be doing just as well in TB though. You cannot blame him for the heatley fiasco, No GM would have got a fair deal that

        • The Apostle

          If anything Heatley was more of a bust for SJ than Michalek has been for us.

        • Sandy

          Murray was put into the situation with Heatley by Heatley & JP Barry.

          Heatley only wanted to go to one team.. and that was SJ…
          BTW the 2nd round draft pick for Lehner came from Columbus not SJ… (that was Vermette for Leclair)
          Do you want Muckler back? You know the guy that couldn’t draft to save his life… a la Brian Lee.

          How about getting absolutely nothing for Havlat.

          Blindsiding Hossa.. pissing off Chara — so he leaves as well.
          How about trading any player of any value in the AHL for a quick fix.. ala Bondra, Saprikyn.. (sp?) and there are others..
          There was a reason the Binghamton Senators didn’t make the AHL playoffs during the Muckler years… as he took all the good out of that team.
          The only GM that ruined this franchise was Muckler… Where would we be if he was never GM..
          Could have had Marc Staal? Or Kopitar? Would they still have Hossa or Chara?

          • Mike Bauer

            Would’ve had a cup I think…The players he moved or let go would’ve brought us to the promise land…

            Imagine the team with Chara, Hossa, Havlat (when Healthy) added with the players we had…oh boy!

        • s3nsfan

          Pretty spotty? Bishop and Conacher, no decision give it a year,
          Traded Heatley win right there, regardless of what they got back and milan’s 79 goals and robin lehner make that trade a win.
          Won the turris trade,
          Won the Ryan trade,

          How is that spotty? I don’t see / haven’t seen Perry traded, so regardless of what was attempted or allegedly attempted that never happeneds, so he won 3 of those 4 trades, where’s the ‘spotty’ in that trade record,

          Oh and just to add, i see you didn’t note the Anderson for Elliot or Methot for foligno trades, both wins.

  • A-Train

    Smelling a bad trade wind in the air.

    • Kielbasa

      Have more faith in Bryan Murray! He’s not a stupid man.

  • Jacques

    We must be taking on salary – I just saw Melnyk with a shit load of empties at the Beer Store!

  • hq8

    simplest and fastest cure to the sens troubles: SIT COWEN, SIT PHILLIPS AND SIT GREENING ONE GAME ONLY. THATS ALL. SEND THE MESSAGE. the reason these three, even though Cowen and Greening were instrumental in beating Boston, is that Cowen and Greening have been just awful as far as the whole season is concerned. Phillips, just not at the same level as the rest of the league anymore – maybe he should already start his transition to coaching.
    i dont get why the sens dont do this. other teams now employ this strategy willingly and liberally. look at edmonton and yakupov. and Eakins is a rookie coach too. Im not saying that Edmonton is a model team or anything, but atleast their coach had the gumption to sit a guy (a super-hyped first overall pick at it) who was hurting the team. I think that is something Paul Maclean could do instead of just line-juggling, ice-time limiting, benching or only sitting bottom end players. i think before the sens make some crazy move, they need to send a real message to this group. also, there is now enough able bodies in the organization and its not necessary to stick with a lousy group for any extended time. Players need to feel that their spots are only secure if they produce regardless of their history etc. etc. I dont think the sens have that at all.
    scratching Gryba, Corvo, yo-yoing Borocop between Bingo and Ottawa, inserting Kassian here and there, and BEST OF ALL, playing hide-and-seek with Mika – that is all we have seen from the sens coaching and management in terms of efforts to correct the issues plaguing that team. unfortunately, that just doesnt seem enough. how does shuffling bottom pairing d-men, playing musical chairs with Mika send any kind of message to anyone?
    the players are to blame as a non-starter, but i put the second blame on the coaching staff for not doing enough to send a stern and stronger message. too many bit-part moves which are completely ineffective at fixing the main problems this season: bad defensive play, lousy breakouts, bad penalties, bad starts.

    • WaitingSince92

      Sitting Phillips send no message. He can only handle limited minutes and he’s in WAY over his head trying to cover as a 2nd pairing Dman.

      • MikeS

        No reason to sit phillips. He is atleast working hard(just not the strongest player). I would support sitting cowen/greening a game though as they are playing WAYYYYYYYYYYY below potential

  • Conor_smythe

    I wish more of our defenceman played the way boro does

    Reminds me of volchenkov the way he follows the play and stands his man up at all 3 lines… plus he fights, which pretty makes him even better than volch

    Its nice to have a defenceman who who actually. .. I dunno… plays defense

  • SensChirp

    Team is on the ice for practice. Same line combinations. No sign of Phillips.

    Michalek-Spezza-Conacher
    MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
    Greening-Smith-Neil
    Condra-Grant-Zibanejad

    • xN1Cx

      Very unfortunate. I’m actually feeling pretty nervous about even tuning in tomorrow.

    • Kielbasa

      No sign of most of these players all season…to be honest.

  • Miguel

    all I can say is I think we have hit rock bottom.
    Unfortunately I was at that Columbus game, and we should all feel badly for those 15,000 who were forced to endure, a lakclustre, brutal display of “professional” hockey that I have witnessed in many years.
    Countless missed first passes coming out of the zone, and I mean dozens upon dozens!
    This is absolutely unacceptable at the pro level.
    Cowen, Phillips, EK, could not execute passes less than 10 ft. to their teamates, and not only were they missed, they were flat footed when recovering from the mistakes.
    And speaking of flat footed, other than Ryan, not one player seemed prepared to work for each other.
    Plain and simple, if a mid range player playing in oltimers hockey, can make better plays and passes, than someone I am paying $200 to watch, we have some very serious issues on this team.
    Players, have tuned out PM, and are either tired of his muscial lines, or pissed off that only a few players are sat on this team, and not always the worst player ie Phillips and Greening.
    Other than the Turris line, these guys are not playing for each other, or playing for the win, they are only playing for themselves, and are even failing miserably at that.
    No this was not the Refs fault, although they did not help, and no this was not a goaltending issue. These players look fed up, and do not care what the next step is but seem like they all want to move on.
    Quite frankly, we seem to have some spoiled brats on this team, that really do not understand how blessed they are to be playing the great game of hockey and making millions doing so. Some of these brats need a wake up call somehow!
    Forgive me for venting, but I had to endure 2.5 hours of very bad pond hockey. At this point I am careless of what changes they make, but just want to see changes after watching that crap, and the Flyers crap… enough!

  • MikeS

    Wow, everyone is super negative on here today. I really dont think murry will make a panic trade. The team is good enough, just needs to get in gear

    • Sentaur

      I am getting a little tired of everyone trying to go against the popular opinion and saying useless things like “the will figure it out” or “they just need time”.
      The bottom line is that this team IS NOT good enough the way it is. Whether that is a lineup issue or a personel issue remains to be seen. Something needs to change bigtime before anything will generate positive returns. Inconsistency is the mark of a BAD TEAM and right now we are a bad team. Make a drastic change and give that change some time. You can’t change lines in the middle of a game and expect every player to get a hat trick.

      • MikeS

        1st-Team is .500 so not a BAD team. Second, they have the skill to score with the league’s best. Third, they have beaten the 2 strongest teams in the division and are 5-0-1 against the division. They just need to pull their head’s out of their rear ends for these “freeby win” games and collect on them

  • Tony

    Rumours from Edmonton (Arena staff talking):
    Jared Cowen + Zach Smith for Phiip Larsen + Alex Hemsky

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Jesus christ I hope not

    • sprucesens

      if cowen’s going I would hope we get klefbom at least, if not that’s a huge loss for us

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Love Klefbom, Although I would be shocked if they move him.

        Frankly if we deal with Edmonton I hope it is a HUGE deal

        • HarvardYaleAndPrincetonMan

          YEAH – Spezza and Cowen for ……………

          • Sandy

            You know what.. it would serve some of you right if Spezza walks.. and this team is without a #1 centre.
            A point a game player that gets no respect in this town.
            Do you think this entire team play is all his fault? or Cowen’s fault.. a young D with about 1 year NHL experience…. wow just wow.

            Turris is good.. but he is not yet capable as a true #1 centre.
            Then we will sit for about 6-10 years waiting for another good #1 centre to pick in the draft (in the top 3) and take the time to develop him.

          • MikeS

            Most teams are still playing their number 1 units vs spezza or splitting duty. Turris was expected to have a good year vs easier comp and that is about the only expectation coming through. Well that and karlsson being ppg player agian

          • Jacques

            Why are teams playing their number ones against Spezza cuz they are feasting on him when he’s out there.

          • Jacques

            Point per game , who has to start in the offensive zone all the time cuz he can’t get out of his own end. Imagine how good the TUrris line would be if they didn’t have to start in the D zone all the time. I would trade Spezza so fast, he isn’t the same guy. He’s either hurt or the C on his shirt has him petrified.

    • FBP

      Oh dear.

    • JBL11

      Awful trade. Yeah lets get softer……….

    • HarvardYaleAndPrincetonMan

      Some humour in our grumpy blog at last.

      Smith to Chicago makes far more sense.

    • 65kwhissell19

      that would be a big loss for Ottawa…..hemsky is not a goal scorer he can put up assists when he was good limitide.. Larsen is young but never will be as good or have the potatial as cowen. n pm loves smith why would they make a bad trade for

      • Jacques

        Except Hemsky on the powerplay is a wizard at gaining the Blue line and setting up. THis guy is a real good player , watch an Edmonton game before making this comment. Smith they talk his game up but have been looking to get rid of him for a couple of years now don’t FOOL yourself! Just looking for traction on the trade front.

        • Jacques

          Listen I’d rather get Yakupov but they likely won’t trade him. Hemsky is like getting a younger Alfie back in the lineup, it won’t hurt.

    • Sandy

      Are they smoking crack with Rob Ford? That is absolutely insane.

    • Mike Bauer

      I don’t buy that deal for a second. I could see Cowen + Michalek for Klefbom and Hemsky…

      Its a deal that could win for both, but I don’t see the org trading Cowen – can’t give up on a kid that quick…sends the wrong message too…

  • SensChirp

    How about somebody sends me a ChirpEd that explains how they would get the Sens out of this slump? Line changes? Trades? Call ups. Let’s hear it. Send your entry to senschirp at Hotmail dot com

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      can it be one sentence

      Play LEHNER…the team plays better in front of him

      • HarvardYaleAndPrincetonMan

        YEAH – play the goalie who WINS GAMES until he loses 2 in a row

        • Sandy

          And the goalie who wins NHl first star of the week.. and he sits on the bench.

          Andy is the #1.. But Lehner is playing better right now.

          This team needs wins. Play Lehner the next couple of games to see what you have.
          In a long 82 game season there are going to be nights like yesterday BUT for the Sens team there has been too many of them…
          That game in Detroit and the last two periods against Boston on Friday.. the first couple of periods against the Hawks.. has shown us how good this team really can be…
          So just play.. simple, simple hockey.. Stop chasing.. play your game.. It’s like they are panicing out there when they get behind in a game..

    • FAB

      From Another Blog

      Fire Dave Cameron – Melnyk’s spy in the room

      Hire Jacques Martin as an assistant coach to work with the D-Men and the penalty killing

      • Jacques

        Except Jacques Martin is Dan Bylsma’s assistant coach???

      • Sandy

        To fire Dave Cameron would be when Melnyk no longer owns the team.. So he is here for the duration..
        Sens need an owner with wealth outside of the team. Melnyk’s outside wealth is the problem — he can’t spend..

    • senate19

      Hey Chirp drop some light on the trade front – anything!

  • Sensturion

    I can’t see Boro getting suspended. He basically chest bumped him and his arms/elbows went flying afterwards. Boll got right back up and skated away. Not to mention that initially, there wasn’t even a penalty on the play.

    • Sensturion

      Also, that wrestling takedown was awesome.

    • Sandy

      Do you have that much faith in Brendan Shanahan?

  • Gordon Ramsli

    Offensive Lines:

    MacArthur – Turris – Zibanejad

    Greening – Spezza – Conacher

    Michalek – Smith – Ryan

    Condra – Grant – Neil

    Defensive Pairs:

    Karlsson – Methot

    Wiercioch – Cowen

    Borowiecki – Phillips

    Corvo

    Waive Kassian, Send him to Bingo he has been trying to improve his abilitiy to play 2 way hockey let him develop in Bingo Luke Richardson can give him some better training. I believe anyone can change his ways imagine Kassian being our tough guy but he`s a defensive zone specialist, Makes him look a little more valuable.

    Gryba – I think he needs another year in Bingo his AHL play has not shown up in the NHL, He`s big slow and lost his physical touch. Trade him. we have to much defensive depth in the new 2 years that losing gryba for a prospect pick or loaner player wont do much negative.

    As for my lines, I know ill get heat for messing with MacArthur – Turris – Ryan but I think Zibanejad on that wing still makes it effective, Zibby should fit well. Michalek – Smith – Ryan gives us 3 legit scoring lines where you can defend against 1 or 2 of our lines but we have a 3rd line that will bite you in the arse. With Karlsson logging big time minutes & occasionally double shifting Turris/Spezza/Ryan to bulk up 1 line for a shift then using the 3rd line that did not have players on the ice to continue play when the previous line was out.

    4th line we have Condra – Grant – Neil good solid hard working energy line. Grant has actually impressed me. But not to replace Condra.

    I love Anderson but last night he struggled. Goals that the Anderson we know would of saved. I say Lehner starts next game. If we win. Keep him in. If we lose go back to Anderson.

    If things continue to worsen. Hoffman gets called up Grant goes home. Hoffman needs to go with Spezza or top 6 not line 4 with kassian. Pageau i say keep him down for the year let him develop he’s still young

    Ceci kinda looks tempting but having him come up i Don’t know if it’ll be good for his development.

    This team needs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIJ87lwki5I

    • Sandy

      Wouldn’t Gryba have to clear waivers? FYI — he won’t…
      You know what.. Just trade all of the young players and bring in vets.
      Some don’t appear to want to wait for these guys to develop properly..

      • Gordon Ramsli

        I know he would have to clear which is the reason I said use him in a trade. I don’t want old Vets I want prospect for prospect.

        Karlsson

        Methot

        Wiercioch

        Borowiecki

        Cowen

        Phillips

        Gryba

        Ceci

        Claesson

        Wideman

        Trading Gryba to me is just the result of being out played by guys who have a higher ceiling. Then you have Ceci & Claesson

        and unfortunately who also was given a 1 way contract..

  • sprucesens

    interesting tidbit from eklund: “The Sens and Panthers continue to talk. I am hearing Shawn Matthias may be the primary target. Have been looking into all the Rumors that Florida could be picking up some of Brian Campbell’s salary should he accept a deal to Edmonton.”
    not sure who would be involved other than those players. Greening for mathias perhaps, and yak for Campbell +.who knows

    • thepez

      Greening for Mathias would work for me. Mathias is signed for another year and he is relatively cheap. I looked at his stats, 85 points in 274 games. I remember when he started as a 18 year old and the talk was he was going to be a dominant player. Sounds to me like a case of a guy needing a change of scenery.

      • sprucesens

        I would imagine we would be trying to get a D of some sort also. And using either gryba or wiercioch as the piece going that way. Hence his rumour of 2 for 2 yesterday. Not sure who florida has in the system that we could pry away for one of those 2. Not a heck of a lot anyways.

        • Sandy

          I thought the Panthers along with the Wild were the top 2 teams in way of best prospects in the NHL?

          • sprucesens

            sorry, not what I meant. I meant we aren’t getting any of their top prospects for a gryba or wiercioch. If we could that’d be amazing, but i’m thinking it’d be a B level prospect of theirs, and not one in the top tier quality.

  • NickofTime

    From a forward point of view, we know that the Turris line is working & PM likes the Z. Smith line. So all that is left is to fix the other two lines. I am not a fan of Condra or Conacher & would replace both with Hoffman & Stone. Grant has already replaced Condra`s defensive play & Conacher has done nothing offensively so I would replace him both those guys with two offensive players to add more offensive ability. Try & trade Condra, Conacher & Corvo for something (Mathias), as well as SDC & Petersson.

    On defence the biggest problem IMO is Karlsson continuing to give the puck away & getting the puck out of their end. Methot & Karlsson is still a good tandem & the coach seems to like the Cowen & Gryba pair so all that is left is fixing the other pair. Boroweicki is playing well so he should stay in the lineup & it`s time to bring up Ceci to see what he can do. Place Phillips on the IR & place Corvo on waivers if you can`t trade him. They also need to learn to pass it to the guy that is open & stop trying to pass through a number of players or trying to make a highlight reel pass. Guys are open but they seem intent on making passes harder than they need to be for some unknown reason. Start Lehner.

    Michalek – Spezza – Stone
    MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
    Greening – Z. Smith – Neil
    Hoffman – Zibanejad – Grant – Kid line

    Methot – Karlsson

    Boroweicki – Ceci

    Cowen – Gryba/Wiercioch

    Lehner – Anderson

  • Sandy

    Boro is playing well… It pisses me off when he makes a good clean hard hit (has happened in a few games).. then someone jumps him to fight.

    The league has to do something about that. I don’t even think these guys are getting the instigator when they start the fight. It has to stop…
    Dean Brown made a point yesterday.. that 4 of the 6 Sens D on the ice are under the age of 25. That’s young folks.. young and inexperienced. Give them some damn time to develop in the NHL without wanting to trade them out of town. You don’t bench young players when they make mistakes… that’s not going to help. You need a coaching staff that has patience and can teach… Not saying a game or two in the pressbox would hurt if they continue to make the same mistakes.. but let’s not get Ron Wilson here.. benching young guys everytime they make a mistake.
    How many weeks in an NHL season? 25 – 30 approx?
    Looked at the Sens schedule… they play a grand total of 8 Saturday games… 5 of them are in the afternoon. They play 3 night games… two against the f’in Leafs (thanks CBC) and 1 against the Bruins. Then add 5 Sunday afternoon games. Can these afternoon games have something to do with the attendance issues?
    Saturday nights are the nights for hockey.. but Sens fans only see their team 3 times on a Saturday night all season… Completely f’in ridiculous..

    • MikeS

      The part about people jumping to fight him. I dont mind if the other teams better players jump to fight boro. He took Wisnieski out of the game yesterday. Granted it was already over

    • hq8

      mistakes due to inexperience is one thing, but having a bad start to the game, almost consciously is totally another. i dont know how to make it more clear, but this is the coach’s own words: NOT READY TO PLAY. that has nothing to do with inexperience, that has to do with motivation, respect for the jersey you are wearing, respect for the opponent you are facing, and respect for the fact that you are getting paid millions to play a sport you enjoy.

      • Sandy

        But that’s the vets as well as the young guys… and I do agree.
        But too many on here wish Cowen out of town because he is playing badly… I just don’t happen to agree with trading a young D before you see his full skill set when he is developed in the NHL..
        As bad as Cowen plays at times (I’m not saying he has been lights out this season).. he is a +3 on this team..
        As bad as this team has been at times.. there is only 6 current players on the team with a negative +/- Spezza, Michalek, Methot, Zibby, Condra, Grant.

        • hq8

          a cowen trade is not going to help this team short term or long term. but they do need to bench him for atleast a game, definitely playing well under potential.
          they also need to cut the B.S and give Lehner more starts. Lets be honest, Andy is not playing at winner level anymore.
          again, as much as Paul Maclean has been able to turn things around, there is something in the sens coaching and management staff that just makes puzzling decisions. decisions like playing Chris Phillips on the PP or putting Zibanejad on the fourth line. the Zibanejad treatment is just so puzzling at every level. Here is a guy who comes back from concussion, is cut from team last season, goes to Bingo, plays hard, is brought up, supports the team to make the playoffs, is a key component, but loses a roster spot to SDC, Pageau and Conacher. he is then brought back up, produces right away and is still demoted to low minutes.
          Sens were on a three game win streak before the philly game, but guess what Paul Maclean does, puts Andy back in, when Lehner is on a hot streak……now Andy has two blowouts with one win.

  • Mike Bauer

    I would be stunned if this team makes a trade for D before they do upfront…its hard to get quality D back, so I just don’t see it unless its a big trade…my guess is it will be a forward coming in before a D…

  • karlssens

    Any news trade wise..

    • FBP

      Haha. Good one. As if you didn’t hear about Spez.

      • 65kwhissell19

        im waiting to hear any rumours aswell

        • JBL11

          Eklund seems to think we’re targeting Mathias…Eklund seems to think a lot of things though…I’d prefer Campbell, but he’d be pricey

      • karlssens

        What about spezza?

        • FBP

          I lied. Sorry. No news.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Boro has shown this team what physical means, he’s been the leader in that dept since his call up. He’s added an injection of nasty and I wish we could see more of it from some of the others. But I cannot stand watching a good, clean hit get called the way it did.

    Boro is coming in with his body ready and Boll was coming around on an inside blade which puts him on a wide slant. He’s not a small guy, listed at 6′ 3″, there is no way he could be any higher up, and it’s automatic that his head is in the area of any part of Boro’s uppper body. If fact, if Boro would have tried to avoid it, it’s more than likely one of them would have ended up with a worse type of lower body injury, in the attempt.

    Maybe it’s the whole concussion thing itself causing it, but the NHL Ref’s have really taken a step in the wrong direction in my books. If the NHL wants to keep hits in the league, you cannot punish a guy for a hit like this. Either let the hits be made, or just take them out of the game all together. Too many stupid individual calls that are ripping the games apart.

  • CC

    he laid 2 clean hits and was called on both of them. His elbow is tight to his body, the check was shoulder to head. Boll is a moron as he sees him coming and at the last second lunges for the puck. You need brace yourself for a hit before impact – again – moron.

    I haven’t seen many hits from Phillips or Cowen. This team is missing the freight train V, once a guy hits the blueline – step up and lay a check.

    • hq8

      lol cowen in those instances is even worse than phillips. and thats shameful given Phillips’ vintage.

  • Mexican Baby Jesus

    The art of selling high and buying low. Fans understand the concept, but are too emotional to ever practice it….to a lesser extent, GMs.
    Who disagrees with “Sell high buy low”? Thats what I thought.
    So somebody tell me why we are all talking about trading our “low” players right now, but when I proposed to trade Anderson last season I was crucified on these boards? Bishop/Lehner tandem would have been ideal and Anderson would have gotten a hell of a lot more than Conacher. This has nothing to do with Bishop playing well right now…we knew he was good and had the potential to be a #1.

    I understand there are times you don’t sell high….when you are close to winning a cup. But everybody on here can admit that we were 2-3 years away from prospect development for a competitive team (as of last year), so it made no sense to retain Anderson, specially considering we probably won’t be resigning him.

    My two cents…

    • MikeS

      I think the key is don’t sell low, buy high. But everyone wants to do that today.

    • Jacques

      I agree 100 percent, I’ve said the same thing as well before.

    • LeafsSux

      Bravo!!

  • Jacques

    The difficulty with this very simple problem is finding the solution, particularly when you consider that most of the roster is the same as the one that played so well last year (although one might point out that two of the players who returned from injury, Michalek and Spezza, are two of the biggest culprits for getting outshot and outscored when they are on the ice). Where are those pesky Sens?

    A little bit from SILVERSEVEN, explaining how the team from LAST YEAR is worse than the team this year! Cuz IMO when you play a guy or a line 20 minutes a game you’re basically getting eaten up a third of the game. Or if you split these guys up you might be getting eaten up 50 percent of the game.

    That’s why , I think it was SHERO who said that the team with the most dedicated 200 foot players usually win the CUP!

  • sprucesens

    2 double headers this week. If there aren’t 3 out of 4 wins, i think the trade will happen after that. chirp, could you dig into these florida rumours, since they’ve been around since basically the start of the season, and have made eklunds rumours for 2 days in a row? not often he makes any mention of ottawa. Could be interesting to see who florida has their eyes on.

  • SensChirp

    Still plenty of rumours around this team. I see lots of talk about Florida in the comment below but can also confirm they are speaking with the Oilers.

    No surprise there as I mentioned the Oilers have been watching the Sens closely, as of late.

    • Jacques

      Would it be a blockbuster with Edmonton you think?

      • SensChirp

        Hard to define a blockbuster but I would guess no. But that’s really just a guess on my part.

    • 65kwhissell19

      don’t really think bm would want hemsky do you? don’t think he fits what were lacking.

  • 65kwhissell19

    so they saying BM spoke to the sharks about maybe trying to grab martin havlat. Ottawa sun saying this

    • hq8

      wouldnt that be too many injury prone czechs for the michalek haters here?

    • SensChirp

      That’s a weird one. And a move that would be tricky for the Senators to make considering budget restrictions. Price would be pretty low though, I’m sure and maybe the Sharks are willing to retain some salary.

      • 65kwhissell19

        ya and mm9 has been in a sharks jersey before so maybe its a player for player trade mm9 for havlat ya never no. if not then who no. all I no is he has a no trade clause and the sun said he is willing to brake it to come to Ottawa. he is 32 so still in his prime for a couple more years.

      • hq8

        the thing is that, do the sens really have a personnel problem? you could always get a better roster I guess, but for this sens paper-roster, given what it has on it, that would need a major trade, especially if the shoring up is required on the back end. further Maclean thinks the sens have scored enough goals over the first 20 games to win games.

        so will the sens make a move just for the sake of a shake-up? and if so, who goes?

        • 65kwhissell19

          I think it be a good move. maybe move mm9 for him. cuz havlat last year on his contract

  • 65kwhissell19

    hey did you guys no that Clarke macarthur has a nmc

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      So does Greening next year.

      • sprucesens

        yikes. not a fan of that. Clarke sure, he is only signed for 1 year, no? But greening isn’t a great idea. He was a plug before we signed him. You don’t give 2 million dollar 3rd and 4th liners NMC’s!

      • 65kwhissell19

        no greening has a Modified NTC starting next season. probably 10 teams he does not want to go to

  • T K

    Not my usual M.O.: Sens could trade DaCosta, O’Brien and Corvo for Volchenkov, if they really want to go back to the past.

  • runningbear1974

    we could try to play one of our D. as a forward… Maybe Wiercioch… since he rarely plays anyway…

  • T K

    I wonder what Christoph Schubert is doing right now. Maybe he’s not too busy to come back.

    • TookieIs100PercentRight

      Bring back Preissing!

  • 65kwhissell19

    maybe greening is on his way out.. maybe bm got a little scared about how greening is praduceing an that he has a Modified NTC and doesn’t want to chance it?