Bobby Ryan to Undergo Season Ending Surgery

SensChirp March 27, 2014 138
Bobby Ryan to Undergo Season Ending Surgery

It had been talked about a little bit around these parts and today the Ottawa Senators made it official.  Forward Bobby Ryan will undergo season ending surgery for a sports hernia that he has been dealing with since November 2013.

Both Ryan and the team had hoped that this was something Ryan could deal with in the off season but after crashing into the end boards in Dallas last weekend, the injury seemed to be re-aggravated.  Ryan will have the surgery today in Montreal.

Paul MacLean drew a lot of heat earlier in the season for his at times questionable use of Ryan.  Now that we know for certain there was a lingering injury, it sort of explains why his ice time fluctuated so much over the course of the season.  Full credit to Ryan for trying to play through the injury and for still putting up respectable numbers despite what must have been an extremely painful injury to play through.

A link to the official news release from the Senators.

  • karlssens

    This guy played with a hernia for most the season? Get this guy extended…

    • Cicero

      But being extended is the reason for the surgery…

      • Jimmy!

        Hey – Ho!

  • my2sens

    Him playing with a hernia, as karlssens mentions below, kudos. However, did this hurt the team more? He has put up respectable numbers, but could someone else have put up more, or perhaps backchecked harder in some situations and prevented goals?

    Guess we will never know…

    • karlssens

      Those 23 goals didn’t hurt lol!

      • my2sens

        Oh I agree… but having had a hernia before, if you stretch the wrong way etc… if can hurt, so he may not have been able to poke check, skate as hard etc.

        All in all – I am not complaining. As people have said throughout this post, this IS the type of player we need!

    • runningbear1974

      It did hurt the team, but not because of his play… It hurt the team the moment that the Turris line stopped getting 1st line duties…

  • FistsofNeil25

    When we first acquired Bobby last summer, I remember reading that he was known for his toughness by often playing through injuries. Good on him for trying to help this team make the playoffs while playing through what I imagine is a fairly painful injury.

    I don’t know if there’s a single Sens fan out there who doesn’t want to see Ryan signed to an extension, but there are a lot of us who don’t think the team will be able to convince him to stay, myself included.

    If we can’t get him signed to an extension, he has to be traded. It would be a disaster to see him leave as a free agent, not only because of what we gave up for him, but because it would be just another star player to leave this organization on his own terms.

    • Aaron 2.0

      Yeah, I’m also skeptical about his willingness to re-sign. One thing that could work in our favour is that he knows we spent a lot to get him out of Anaheim. He obviously wasn’t happy about how that organization treated him. The fact that this team believes in him might go a long way to re-signing. The other thing that would probably really help is if Ottawa is actually good next year. It’s easier to want to stay when the team is having fun and winning, and you see potential to do great things. No clue if the team can turn it around that quickly (there is a lot of youth here), but here’s hoping!

      • FistsofNeil25

        The thing that would help the most is a commitment from ownership to winning. I’m talking about $$$!

        • Aaron 2.0

          No argument there. This deadline was really scary for that exact reason. EDM having to eat contract for us to get Hemsky. And, waiving Conacher to basically save a very small amount of $. Yikes, those are scary signs.

          • The Apostle

            Getting Edmonton to take money wasn’t scary it was taking advantage of a situation to our benefit.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I am all for taking advantage of any situation in our favor. Even if Euge spent to the real cap.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Maybe. To put it in perspective, 1/2 of a 5.5 million salary for 1/4 of the year works out to a savings of less than 0.7 million for the Sens. Add that they dropped Conacher (presumably to add Hemsky). I’m all for saving money, but you wouldn’t see that sort of scraping for money to add a player by many other teams.

            No big deal this season. I just worry about how tight the internal budget might be next season when you consider the money games played at the deadline.

          • KJ

            Conacher was dropped because he was given every chance to succeed, and he failed. it was on him. it also opened the roster spot for Hemsky without having to send Hoffman back down to Bingo.
            If I am Euge, I am conscious of every nickel that’s coming in and going out. He isn’t playing with Canadian Tire Money. Or maybe he is? Ha! :)

      • Harv

        I see management having to convince him for sure. They have to convince him he is a cornerstone of the future. Turris is going to help in that regard I think. Who wouldn’t want to play with Turris who is getting better and better every game>

      • CUP 2014-15

        His California fiancée might not be enjoying her first spring in the Cap very much either. In like a lion and out like a ……..Damn you Anthony Hopkins for the silence of the lambs.

        • Jimmy!

          I read an article saying Bobby & fiancée really liked the charm of Ottawa’s downtown – especially the Market. O-town has that small place feel. Anaheim doesn’t. In fact the city of the Mighty Ducks is really an extension Disney and sole-less.

          Simply, if BR feels good about the team’s future he’ll resign. If not it’s time for ‘The Brian’ to channel his Monty Hall and make a deal.

          Winning makes everything better!

          • Hax

            But I thought all NHL girlfriends/wives wanted their bfs to play in SoCal? And I thought it went double if the gf was from SoCal. But, but, but….

            LOL – God forbid someone actually like Ottawa.

          • Miguel

            have you looked outside?… ITS BEEN WINTER FOR 5 MONTHS!!! it will still be snowing after our last freakin game… she may really believe that we have igloos hear all year round

          • CUP 2014-15

            Just trying to make a funny about this f#@KING weather outside right now.

    • http://www.Merchaholic.ca Merchaholic

      I can say Murray’s top priority will be re-signing Ryan. But if Ryan is looking to go else where to play his career like the rumored Philly situation. I feel he WILL be traded or he’ll stick around until there’s a trade that can make that happen. I remember one of his first interviews as a Senator he said he wouldn’t just up and leave the team because of how much they gave up for him.

  • Sens-fan-in-mtl

    so, where are all the Ryan haters now???? you guys should be ashamed for bashing him.

    • runningbear1974

      yep, considering how much he sacrifices his body, and considering how many intangibles he does… Goes to show the fan base doesn’t necessarily know what is good…

    • FistsofNeil25

      Every player has haters. Christ even some Pens fans don’t like Crosby lol

      • Miguel

        except for Spezza… :-)

      • Aaron 2.0

        I guess I just mainly “hate” those terms. There are pure “player haters”, and “player lovers”, and then there’s most people, that may have some criticisms about players, but it doesn’t mean we don’t like them, and want them to succeed! Almost every player has positives and negatives (aside from maybe Crosby; but his negative is he’s a boring robot). A lot of conversation on hockey boards will naturally be about the players. It’s the most interesting thing to discuss (& with a wide variety of opinions)! Certainly, it’s better than talking about ownership and money problems (lol).

    • mr.slapshot

      I don’t think it’s fair to call anyone out. Obviously if people had known he was hurt they wouldn’t have complained.

      • Harv

        Agree. The team does the players a disservice by not telling us they are playing hurt. I understand protecting them from more injury and know opponents will take advantage but it leads to a lot of comments and personal attacks.

        • BFR

          Maybe the fans need to relax, and understand that protecting a player from the opposition is more important than a fans right to know if they are injured.

          • Harv

            Yep, recognize the downside. I think a lot of fans knew Ryan had some injury because he was not playing up to his usual standard.

    • Aaron 2.0

      You can call me a “Ryan hater” if you want, I guess. That’s sort of black-and-white though. He was on fire to start the season, but even then, I sort of thought his speed was a little concerning, especially for our system. I’m still not a huge fan of that trade (Silf, Noesson, 1st Rnd). It seemed very reactinoary to me to save face for the screw-up w/ Alfi. But he’s here, and I obviously want him to succeed here. And, importantly it’s obvious that he cares, and wants to be part of the solution. The real winner of the trade won’t be known for a long time, but we’re obviously getting the better of it now.

      Glad to learn he was hurt for most of the season. If all goes well with surgery, he’ll be a better player next year! Best of luck to him! Unbelievable he played w/ a hernia for that long!

  • Cicero

    Best wishes to Bobby for a successful surgery and full recovery!

  • BFR

    Glad they are shutting him down for the season. Hope for a trouble-free surgery and that he gets back to full health soon.

  • karlssens

    If Ryan isn’t traded this offseason, he will resign. Murray isn’t an idiot, he’s going to see if Ryan is committed to staying, and if he isn’t expect a deal this summer while he has value

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Glad to hear that Ryan got surgery. I’d like him resigned for 8 years at $6.5M. Get er done Murray!

    • runningbear1974

      Bobby Ryan is my favourite Senator ever… If only he was a better skater he would be perfect…
      I do hope we re-sign him… He’s the man…

  • PraiseAlfie11

    Ok…does that qualify as intensity? I would say so.

    • SensChirp

      Sort of explains Team USA leaving him off though, assuming they knew about the injury.

      • my2sens

        I always thought it was because of his lack of spelling skills?

    • Harv

      Thumbs up on that.

      Turris. McArthur and Ryan as line #1 next year with first line minutes. Ryan has done it all since he arrived.

  • Harv

    Playing 4 months with a hernia says all you need to know about Bobby Ryan. This is the type of player we need in Ottawa. Anyone who has had a hernia knows the discomfort, pain and potential for serious damage.

    Hope his surgery is successful and he gets signed to a five year extension. With the young guys coming up, Stone and Hoffman, the future looks bright for next year. Give this team to Karlson, Ryan, Turris and McArthur and let them be the new core.

  • CUP 2014-15

    These guys are tough SOB’s. Just more evidence that we have no idea whats going on behind the scenes. Since November, I mean holy shit, the guy got hurt at the start of the season. Wish Ryan all the best and as always for every up there is a down, a positive there is a negative. Well, congrats to Stone, you now have 10 more games to show BM that we have a right winger right here to slide in next to Hoff and ZBad next year. Now sign Hemsky ( if Spezz is staying) and the team will need to go after a portside winger for that line and the forward group should be good to go.

    • FistsofNeil25

      We would still lack good shut-down forward line that is pretty much a necessity if we want to challenge for the cup.

      • Harv

        Smith, Greening and Condra? Got to hope Greening comes around a bit but Condra has the defence.

        • FistsofNeil25

          Yuck.

          • Harv

            I held my nose a bit for sure.

          • Brutus5247

            We can’t have Spezza Michalyk and Karlssons on the ice. We be minus a zillion.

      • CUP 2014-15

        I think we have a good start with ZS in the middle, not the hardest roles to fill. Might be one in Bingo and I am sure we can find one in FA this summer. That being said, been a long time since the Sens have had a right side like Ryan, Hemsky, Stone. the best yrs were Alfie. Hossa and Havlet.

  • Aaron 2.0

    I guess consider this one of the few positives of the season. With the Sens all but officially out of the playoff picture, it must of made the decision easier to shut it down early, and hopefully get a bit of a jump on rehabilitation, strength & conditioning before the start of next season for Ryan.

  • Miguel

    Hmmm… maybe Phillips has been playing injured the last 2 years as well? could explain a lot… kidding CP lovers

  • my2sens

    Did Alfie leave any of his healing elixir in the locker room!?

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Have any of you suffered a sports hernia before? I personally haven’t, but a friend of mine has and he said it was unbearable. He’s obviously not a pro athlete making millions, as he only plays in a beer league, but it was enough to take him away from the game for a long time.

    So yes, full credit to Bobby Ryan for playing through the pain, because most people would have packed it in. I wasn’t one of the people who were worried with his ice time, I figured there was a solid reason and now we all know. Hopefully this will drop some of the criticism our beloved coach has been receiving.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      A guy I play ball hockey with had one last year. He’s also by far the best athlete I know and anything that kept him down had to be painful.

    • Harv

      I was playing a number of years ago in a senior basketball league and tried to play through one. I lasted two games and went for surgery. Unless you have had a hernia it is hard to describe the feeling you get – between pain and serious discomfort but it is not pleasant and it is constant. Also, the danger is a more serious tear and things start to go through the hole. It ain’t fun.

    • Billy Bob

      I had the exact same surgery a year and a half ago, had to wait 4 months for the surgery to be scheduled, was playing in a mens league the entire time…they happen to keep stats and my god its hilarious to see the dip in production I had while playing with it. It sucks. I hope the surgery goes well and he takes the proper precautions to heal it completely, he’ll be back and we’ll see the real Bobby

  • Miguel

    I worry about Ryan’s willingness to sign here after next year.
    He is American, GF is from west coast, and this year has been awful for the enire org. Cant be a lot of fun for them.
    And he can finish next year and pick and choose what he wants to do.
    For me, if Hemsky is happy hear, and Stone can produce well in his 10 game audition.
    As much as I love Ryan, we may have to look at options for him this summer

    • Richard Gough

      There is no point in trading him this off season Murray won’t get a good return for him , Murray is better off waiting on tell trade dead line or next yr draft in hopes Ryan played his ass off too capsulize on a better return .

      • Miguel

        after next years draft he will be a UFA…. what can you possibly get for him at that point?

        • Richard Gough

          More then what you can get for a injured player

          • Miguel

            ahh no, becase he can walk as a UFA . Right now he is still a valued asset

    • MethotToMyMadness

      The Sens will let him play next year, show them what he can do when healthy. A none healthy Ryan was still good for 23 goals (still team leading) and 25 assists. I expect he will be back next season in top form, especially since it’s a contract year. Contract years are always the players best.

    • runningbear1974

      There is no way we should choose Hemsky over Ryan… That would be a sad day… Ryan has so many intangibles… He’s super special…

  • Brutus5247

    Surgical Treatment

    Surgical procedure. Surgery to repair the torn tissues in the groin can be done as a traditional, open procedure with one long incision, or as an endoscopic procedure. In an endoscopy, the surgeon makes smaller skin incisions and uses a small camera, called an endoscope, to see inside the abdomen.

    The end results of traditional and endoscopic procedures are the same.

    Some cases of sports hernia require cutting of a small nerve in the groin (inguinal nerve) during the surgery to relieve the patient’s pain. This procedure is called an inquinal neurectomy.

    Your doctor will discuss the surgical procedures that best meets your needs.

    Surgical rehabilitation. Your doctor will develop a rehabilitation plan to help you regain strength and endurance. Most athletes are able to return to sports 6 to 12 weeks after surgery.

    Surgical outcomes. More than 90% of patients who go through nonsurgical treatment and then surgery are able to return to sports activity. In some patients the tissues will tear again during sports and the surgical repair will need to be repeated.

    Additional surgery. In some cases of sports hernia, pain in the inner thigh continues after surgery. An additional surgery, called adductor tenotomy, may be recommended to address this pain. In this procedure, the tendon that attaches the inner thigh muscles to the pubis is cut. The tendon will heal at a greater length, releasing tension and giving the patient a greater range of motion.

  • Hax

    Good example of why fans should speculate with a grain of salt (if that’s a thing). It’s fine to debate ice time or whether a player is “lazy” etc. But let’s all try to remember that we don’t actually KNOW very much. Same goes for assuming that a guy from Philadelphia automatically wants to play for the Flyers or that a guy with a Californian girlfriend doesn’t want to play in a city that has winter weather etc. Again, nothing wrong with speculating but don’t get carried away.

    • CUP 2014-15

      it’s just fun banter, a hell of a lot goes into this type of live choice and nothing we talk about has anything to do with it obviously

      • Andrews theory

        super fun ;-)

    • runningbear1974

      It’s important to realize the difference between character and behaviour… It’s ok to say someone has bad behaviour (not skating hard), but not ok to say someone has bad character(lazy)… Important distinction…

  • Andrews theory

    Get Healthy Bobby, we need you to play lights out next year.
    Great opportunity for Stone and Hoffman to showcase their skills in the bigs

  • CUP 2014-15

    Leahner leaves practice after a collision with EG

    • MB

      And Anderson said he’s been ready to play since backing up. Wonder why he isn’t starting? Hmm

      • SensChirp

        Because, CONSPIRACY!

        • CUP 2014-15

          LOL, I think the team would like to run the table with Robin if he’s healthy. Could give them a better idea if he can carry the load next year. Just speculating.

        • Miguel

          its about time you saw the light….its always the grassy knoll!!! :-)

        • MB

          Hey, results speak for themselves as do the decisions. The article in the paper IMO didn’t put Anderson in a great light either. Sounded like excuses and saying “I need to be 100% before I can play” is complete BS when you look at what Ryan went through since Nov. No one on that team is playing at 100%. Damn I don’t even like the guy as a player but even Spezza has sucked up a ton this year to get out there and play through some discomfort and injuries.

          Anyways, you can poke fun if you want but so far it’s playing out like a few people have said it would. We’ll see how accurate I and some others have been despite not being overly popular.

          • Phil.

            The difference with players, especially forwards, is that they can give it a shot and see how it goes in a particular game, ice time can be managed and they can be put in situation where they can still help the team, even if not at 100%. That doesn’t really apply to goaltenders.

          • MB

            Are you telling me goaltenders don’t play hurt? Is that a serious comment? Are you saying Bernier in Toronto isn’t hurting? Price groin 100%? Those guys are playing the most important stretches of the season for their teams and are hurting.

            You know who didn’t want to play until he was 100%? Hasek. At least he’s a HOFer with some cups.

            Not playing at 100% applies to all players in all sports. You suck it up but hey, who am I to say? Maybe Lehner didn’t get starts on back to back nights in front of Anderson’s friends and family down in Florida? It’s pretty transparent what choice has been made and why. Lehner battled, Anderson didn’t.

          • Phil.

            Easy there. Of course they play hurt at times. My point is that they have less flexibility than players. It’s likely almost no one in the league is at 100% right now, goalies and players. So when Anderson say “100%” it doesn’t actually mean 100%. What is he going to say, “I have to wait until I’m 89% ready to go in”? It just mean goalies have be closer to 100% since some of the injury management strategies that can be used for players don’t apply to them.

          • MB

            If it was a groin, a knee, ankle (like last year) I might say you’re right, it might just get worse and it’s better to error on the side of caution. I think at this time of year in this situation you have to fight through a little but that’s fine, I’ll concede that side of the argument.

            This wasn’t any of those things, this was Anderson saying “he couldn’t track the puck” That’s a tough comment to defend… that is something you battle through and fight with your team to then end with. I’m not saying he quit, that’s a gutless comment but I am saying he’s a mentally weak goaltender, fragile, and was unwilling to fight through some discomfort.

          • BFR

            That’s a pretty easy comment to defend actually. The fact that he had trouble tracking the puck might have something to do with a concussion or neck injury that he is coming back from.

          • MB

            If that’s what you want to believe, that’s fine. Hell, it’s probably true from Anderson’s perspective. Doesn’t mean he’s willing to battle or fight through anything that is considered uncomfortable. Anderson is still the same guy that was moved out of Colorado because of situations like this.

            The decisions are speaking for themselves at this point and again the major statement came when they gave Lehner the start on the 2nd game of a back to back against Anderson’s old team in the city he calls home. If you want to believe that’s a non story you go right ahead but that was a pretty clear message from the coach.

          • BFR

            Colorado wanted to sign him to a two year deal based off of the
            results of his first year, but he wanted a longer term. They couldn’t agree, so Colorado chose to swap him for another goalie in the hope that they would do better in a new situation. Pure business deal, no more, no less.

            BTW, Anderson starts…

          • runningbear1974

            I think something happened to Anderson in the Pittsburgh series last year… He let in some very weak goals… I don’t think he’s gotten his confidence back…

  • NickofTime

    While no one likes to see anyone get hurt & hopefully he recovers 100% from this, Ottawa could use a healthy Ryan next season. That being said this turns out to be an excellent opportunity for Mark Stone who has shown that he is NHL ready & should be on the team now. If BM can re-sign Hemsky & hopefully Michalek too than add Stone & Hoffman to the mix for next season & Ottawa will have three potent forward lines.

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    This guy is a class act and I honestly need to meet him. What a beauty for playing through this all season long and still putting up numerous goals. It actually explains why he has declined since his hot start and I hope for the best for him. On the topic of resigning, I have a feeling if Murray gives him over 6 million he will resign here. I reallyhope so. GO SENS GO

    • runningbear1974

      Sorry for saying same thing over again, but he should be our poster boy… He’s a real man… Does everything… Best Sens ever… And, even though he has tons of skill, no one labels him a “skilled” player… Because of all the other intangibles…

      • Moudy Mahfouz

        So true man, We should build around him, Turris Macarthur Karlsson and Methot Zibby

        • runningbear1974

          Yep, I agree…

  • sprucesens

    One thing I really hope, is that it was bobby’s choice to play through the injury, at he didn’t feel pressured to play through it. That’s not the kind of atmosphere we want to create. I really don’t know why the organization didn’t just come out and say he was injured. Teams are so vague in these types of things. It’s not like the opponent won’t be able to tell if a player isn’t playing up to standard, or is favoring certain parts of his body. I guess in the end its always going to be this way, but I think as a fanbase, we would be much more tolerant if we had more information. Would have been hard to say, “ryan has an upper body injury that he’s been trying to play through. If it gets worse during the year, he will have to go for surgery, but until then its up to the doctors and bobby ryan how he feels. If either of them feel its time to stop, then we fully support their decision”
    wouldn’t that have calmed us all down a ton!? I sure think so. But to completely forgive maclean for ice time allocation is a little bit stretched too. turris and macA were still 2 of our best players this year, and the number of times they weren’t on the ice in late game or OT situations where we needed scoring, and the GSN line is on the ice… Obviously other players can have injuries and stuff too, but there was just too many random decisions that didn’t make sense. But anyways.

    • CUP 2014-15

      Agree Spruce in regards to strange coaching moves and the one that has bugged me the most has to be the berating of refs from the opening whistle. He sure as hell has had reason to do so, but the endless red faced screaming is not going to buy you a call. With the injury, I think the only reason to tell the public is if the NHL wanted to garner some interest in the betting markets like Vegas. Look at NFL injury reports and they give detailed reports. As Matt Barnaby tweeted yesterday, he would love to have known where to wack, claw or bite.

    • BeJamin

      Bobby wanted to play for team USA…. Obvious reason is obvious. That’s why he played through it. He clearly had a say. They also actively hid his injury from the Olympic USA selectors. Team did him a solid.

    • Hax

      Remember the goal of the Ottawa Senators is to win hockey games – not help the fans stay calm. Obviously fans buy tickets so they can’t ignore fans completely but to expect that they’d disclose something just so anxious fans can cut down on their meds is silly.

      Don’t you want the Sens to put winning (short-term and long-term) ahead of everything else? Including your feelings? I certainly do.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      As a new guy in town, the last thing he probably wanted to do is sit because of injury, no matter how injured you are, he would want to prove himself worth what it cost to get him here. As much as this is a sport and people get traded, players have pride and want to do there best all the time. Hockey players are one of the most known for this type of commitment.

      And if you recall hearing what PM said on the radio about Ryan, before he actually played a game in Ottawa. He did the same thing with the Ducks his final year. Everyone was bashing him but he was seriously not well and continued to play through a major illness. I suspect it was his own doing, and the coaches respected his decision and just lowered his minutes.

    • KJ

      Your trying to analyze too much with missing information. trust the coach. they do.

    • Sensnation

      If opponents know he’s injured, they’ll hit him much harder and target him.

      As Spezza said guys play injured all the time.

      Fans want to be in the know, but really not fair to the players or team to be at a disadvantage just for your comforting. This is why you need to trust the coach and gm a bit more and appreciate the extra information they are working with.

  • A-Train

    I’m pretty confident he’ll be extended. Murray spent a long time chasing this guy and gave up a lot to get him. Seeing him leave for nothing would obviously be a fiasco, but even a trade would look very, very bad.

    • Mat

      My hope is that whatever happens, Murray doesn’t wait to the last minute to make a move. Extension discussions should start right now and through the summer. If you can’t reach an agreement before the start of next summer, consider a trade. Don’t wait till the last second when teams know they can lowball you, or worse, wait till free agency opens up.

      • runningbear1974

        I hope we re-sign him too… But, I think at the moment the team is not fun to play with, so I would guess he’s leaning towards NO… Hopefully the team is more fun next year to create environment that people want to be a part of…

      • Hax

        Except for the fact that they (technically) cannot start to talk extension until after July 1st, all good points. (also assuming you meant “next season”, not “next summer”)

      • A-Train

        I don’t think they can start talking extension with him until July 1. So basically your window to get him signed or do a meaningful trade is from then until the 2015 trade deadline.

  • Phil.
    • Brutus5247

      More PK than PP. Thought so. If this accounts for one goal every 5 PK this could account for 8 goals against. We might have won more games. Yes it could be a small factor.

    • The Apostle

      I’m not trying to defend the refs, we all know they have their brutal moments. However I honestly don’t see that the Senators are being singled out by their incompetence. I think the refs generally share their ineptitude around.

      These figures are from ESPN and related to total number of penalty minutes per season (and taking into account that in the 4 years I have provided we have generally had fewer major penalties than the majority of teams “above”us).

      2013/14 – 5th most PIMS in the league

      2012/13 – 3rd most

      2011/12 – 2nd most

      2010/11 – 6th most

      That can’t simply be explained away by the refs liking to give us penalties. Maybe, just maybe if we stop doing things worthy of a minor penalty they will stop being called which in turn will mean us being on the PK less.

      • runningbear1974

        I agree… We take bad/dumb penalties… At least hit someone if you’re going to take a penalty… At least we don’t slash the back of people’s legs like Alfie and Gonchar used to do… Less whining… More man-ly-ness…

        • The Apostle

          I think part of it is because we are still a relatively young/inexperienced team, but I also think it’s a result of our inability to transition smoothly or break out of our end with speed (unless 65 is on the ice). We seem to be an easy team to forecheck and an easy team to hem in our own end. Long shifts in your own end lead to crappy tiredness stick and positional penalties.

          • runningbear1974

            It’s a skill to take good penalties… We’re not there yet… We were never there though… I don’t think we ever had the refs on our side… With the Yashin team we use to hook all the time… With Alfie there was a lot of slashing… Now, I’m not sure what type of team we’re trying to be…

          • Phil.

            Right. The more time you spend in your zone (ie poor defensive play), the more penalties your take. The Sens are middle of the pack in PP numbers. It’s the PK numbers that are the problem.

      • Jacques

        I have never seen a team get jobbed as much as the Sens have this year, you can’t be serious?

      • A-Train

        While it is difficult for anyone to know for sure, there is a line of thinking out there that pro sports officials take a liking to certain franchises … or more accurately a DISlike to certain franchises and their owners.

        Corrupt NBA ref Tim Donaghy laid all this out in a book and a series of interviews he did while promoting it. (60 Minutes’ ‘Personal Foul’ segment is probably the best place to hear him make his case in a concise way).

        Basically his scam was this: He tipped bookies off about how NBA results would go. Not necessarily who would win or lose but which teams would beat the spread that night — which is where the real gambling money is. He was able to look at which officials were working that game and what teams were involved and tell you with a good degree of probability whether a team would run into foul trouble or not.

        Whether you think any of this relates to NHL officials and the Ottawa Senators or not is a matter of opinion.

        • The Apostle

          I completely agree that certain players/management teams/franchises can get a bad reputation with the officials. We’ve seen that with Neil, Karlsson and Clouston for example, and referees talk to each other. I would argue that in many cases league wide that those reputations are often deserved. Referees are human after all and we are all aware that players get officiated and disciplined differently dependant on who they are.

          I struggle to believe however that there is a league wide conspiracy to shaft the Ottawa Senators over the past 3 or 4 years. If you go back through the comments on here over the past few months you will see plenty of talk about Neil, Conacher, Michalek, Smith taking stupid penalties. If you put yourself in a position to get called, you get called. In the times beofre that we were railing against Foligno for example.

          I’m not denying that the refs have been terrible but I don’t think they are systematically cheating, I think they are systematically inept and inconsistent.

    • Miguel

      i know, b/c we are so much like the broadstreet bullies… conspiracy!

  • Patrick Weirdcock

    Glad to see he’s finally getting surgery… probably should’ve done so a few months ago, but ya gotta love the lad’s heart.
    Plus, his dad is a wee bit intense, so I’d imagine he’s played through injuries once or twice before

  • Nicholas Rawlins

    Sucks because I like the guy but I’d be willing to bet a large purse that he doesn’t even blink an eye at leaving ottawa when his contract is up.

    • Brutus5247

      Ottawa is not likely a high place for any American. Why you may ask?
      Cold weather
      Cheap owner, won’t pay for the best team
      Higher taxes
      Tougher media
      Cold weather
      Fewer things to do in smaller centers ie girlfriends unhappy.

      • Nicholas Rawlins

        Yup, which is why a great player like spezza WANTING to be here is something people should embrace. Just my opinion.

      • MB

        Just out of curiosity, why is cold weather a factor for any player playing a cold weather sport? Aside from the obvious appeal of living in a warm climate American, Canadian, or otherwise?

        • A-Train

          You don’t think a lot of Canadians would consider it a huge perk to spend the winter working in Southern California, then come back home to a sweet spread outside Calgary in the summer?

          Pretty self-evident, I’d say.

          • MB

            Point was it’s not like Minny, upstate NY, and a lot of other places in the US are any different then a lot of Canada. Hell, the warmest actually hockey city in the world might be Vancouver. The response was in regards to saying “an American wouldn’t want”, like it matters.

          • Brutus5247

            Why did Pronger want out of Edmonton? And he’s Canadian.

          • MB

            What?

          • Brutus5247

            His WIFE wanted out or else.

          • PraiseAlfie11

            Ive never been to edmonton, but I know where it is…I wouldn’t want to live there either.

          • Richard Gough

            It fucking cold when winter comes
            But it isn’t as bad as some people think and I live in Calgary

          • Floridasensfan

            Lol

          • Jimmy!

            Pronger had an affair with an Edmonton tv news reporter. Upon learning of this, his wife demanded they move cities or the marriage was fin-e-toe!

  • MB

    McKenzie “I think Bryan Murray is really clear on Spezza. He wants him back. They can begin negotiating a new deal July 1st”

    Mckenzie “there is not a burning desire for Murray in worrying about what Spezza will want.”

    I better learn to love Spezza if true.

    • Jacques

      I don’t believe this for a minute but time will tell.

      • Colin

        Edit:
        I don’t *want* believe this for a minute but time will tell. :-)

    • Captain Karl

      I don’t think Spezza should have ever been made Captain. He is not exactly the kind of player who inspires with his lacksidasical backcheck. It would be pretty hard to take the C away from him now though after only one year. I know it has been done before with Marleau in San Jose but I don’t know that Spezza would handle it as well. I think after the way that Karlsson handled all the adversity in his personal life on top of coming back from a bad injury and contributing the way he has this season shows me that this guy would be the best choice for Captain.

    • SensChirp

      Where was this from?

      • Don Ciccio

        Hey Chirp, I guess you are hearing things that would suggest otherwise. I have always been a Spezza fan and really thought that he turned the corner 2 years ago with his improved play in the defensive zone. However, since his surgery he seems to have fallen back to his earlier days of playing harder in the offensive zone and less so in the defensive zone.
        I think if the right deal comes along, Murray should take a hard long look at trading him. I have been encouraged by his play since Hemsky has arrived but I am not sure that I would want us to invest another 5-7 years at 7mil on a player who might be declining due to injury.

      • boom

        So, you think the Sens would prefer to deal Spezza? The way I interpret Mackenzie’s take on it is that the Sens want him back…is that what you think he’s off base with?
        Personally, I think they would need to be blown away by an offer from a team that Spezza would prefer to play for…otherwise, they will try to sign him.

  • John Q. Spartan

    Why on earth wasn’t this taken care of in November then? Sometimes I can only shake my head with this organization…

    • SensChirp

      Oh come on now.

      This is a decision made between Doctors and player. They had hoped he could play through it and potentially, avoid surgery altogether. There is absolutely zero blame to be placed on the organization here.

      • John Q. Spartan

        Oh… ok…

      • s3nsfan75

        wow people are just so quick to sh*t on this franchise.

      • Harv

        My only concern would be the chance of long term injury. A sport’s hernia can develop into a more serious abdominal hernia and may have long term effects on your ability to play sports. You have to assume all of this went in the decision making process and, hopefully, Bobby comes out ok. Having surgery, though, suggest it got worse instead of better.

  • SensFanInMTL

    I fucking love Bobby man. Nothing but positivity from him during these tough times. Let’s have a fucking great run next season and entice him to stay with us. Over the years we have been blessed to have big names playing for us, notably Hemsky & Ryan this season which on paper, is pretty massive given we have Turris, Spezza, Karlsson and even Michalek (more so from when he was a force to be reckoned with when he was hot in San Jose).

    Reason for Bobby not quite wanting to stay here is at 3:20 alone. Esti.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Haz3R1TL8Wc