Blues the Favourite in Spezza Sweepstakes

SensChirp June 20, 2014 716
Blues the Favourite in Spezza Sweepstakes

You sort of get the sense that the St. Louis Blues have been the favourites all along.

And according to a contact I spoke with last night, they remain at the front of the pack.  While timelines still remain a little unclear, it does seem like this will be a deal that gets done before or at the NHL Entry Draft scheduled for Friday night in Philadelphia. Just one week from now.  Earlier this week it seemed like there wasn’t really anything that could be labelled as “close” but that seems to have changed over the last couple days.

That leads me to believe that one of the two teams with serious interest has improved on their offer.  It sounds like that team is the St. Louis Blues.

This will obviously be good news for Spezza as the Blues are at or at least near the top of his list of preferred destination.  Now, this doesn’t mean a deal with the Blues is a lock.

Once Murray has an offer he is comfortable with, you know he’ll circle back and see if those other teams can improve on their offers. So that would be Anaheim. That would be Dallas. As well as a couple teams that appear on Spezza’s no trade list.

Stay tuned. Interesting days ahead.

 

  • SENSible Voice

    Wish we had a little bit more news about what players are involved. I just can’t see BM going after Berglund after his shoulder injury. So what would the deal look like with STL if it did not involve Berglund?

    • FBP
      • not YOUR wingman

        Schwartz is the German word for black

    • EHMatt

      Yep. It’s definitely got to be Shwartz that Murray is pushing for.

      • Pasky

        It’s really the one piece that makes sense. Berglund is too big of a risk & since their not focused on defense that leaves Shattenkirk out. A 1 for 1 involving Oshie would be nice but I don’t think St-Louis is that desperate. Asides from Schwartz maybe Sobotka is another possibility but as a plan B.

        • Harv

          they’re

      • laffin681021

        We can only hope Murray can pry Schwartz out of their hands. Here’s to hoping you’re right!

      • Gavin Ray

        St. Louis might budge if we offer up someone else with Spezza

        • BigTrev42

          Spezza and Cowen for Schwartz and Shattenkirk! lol

  • EHMatt

    After hearing yesterday what the reason is for Spezza wanting out. IMO, it’s probably best that we trade him. Asking for a trade because you’re tired of being scrutinized after losses, that pressure is just going to get worse if he winds up in St. Louis. We don’t need players like that. Worst case scenario if the team takes a fall this year, at least we’ll have a high draft pick in a good draft year.

    • Aaron 2.0

      After the Alfie fiasco last year, I was pretty unimpressed with him. But, as we found out more about what actually (apparently) went down, followed by a number of other presumably money related moves last year, I’m inclined to give all Ottawa players the benefit of doubt right now. We know he took the captaincy last year. The criticism is nothing particularly new for Spezza. Maybe he finally just hit a breaking point. But, for me, this all doesn’t add up. I have a feeling there is more going on than we know about.

      • Tooks

        Its no secret really, its about money and the committment to winning. thats why players have left.

        • Aaron 2.0

          For sure, that’s what everything points to. On the Spezza front, maybe it would be more accurate for management to say that with the new mentality of points per dollar, Spezza doesn’t want to be the fall guy for an organization not willing to surround him with players to win now. Of course, Murray et al. can’t say that. So, that part gets left out, and you’re left with management just saying he’s doesn’t want to be scrutinized (but it’s probably only a half truth at best). Context is everything.

        • Sandy

          But Alfie & Spezza knew the team was re-building and that spending would be low, until (if you believe Melnyk) it was time to go for it.
          Two years for Alfie, three years for Spezza just isn’t the time to spend.
          They should have left in 2011.

    • Sandy

      Spezza had to realize that being captain put more pressure on him than he had before. I guess in the end he wanted to be captain but not take any pressure.

  • Pasky

    If the deal is for Schwartz, what else do you think would be involved? I imagine the 1st this year for St-Louis but would that be it?

    • FBP

      I think it’d be one for one.

      • EK65

        Agreed. Schwartz is legit

    • Tooks

      According to Murray, this isnt remotely close to what we will be getting back.

    • Sandy

      To me, that would be enough. Schwartz is just what I would want.

    • esk

      I dont know much about him except his stats…he is so small though. Id rather shattenkirk

      • Name

        Berglund + Shattenkirk would be sweet !

        • mike

          spezza and smith for Berglund and shattenkirk ?

  • EK65

    I think if it’s Schwartz OR Tarasenko you make the deal for OTT. Ottawa had the chance to draft Tarasenko at 17, but traded the pick to get Rundblad. Now that Tarasenko has played and proven his upside, we take him with open arms.

    • Sandy

      I don’t think Tarasenko would be it. The Sens had the chance to draft him but gave that up by trading the pick to St Louis.
      I think it’s Schwartz in a package or Oshie one for one.
      It all depends on how desperate St Louis are to compete. But can they get to the Cup final with Elliott in net?

      • EK65

        I tihnk the Sens may have been worried about Tarasenko at first, but he’s proven his upsde and is a legitimate blue chip guy. The reason I don’t think it would happen is because ST. Louis wouldn’t want to give him up. He is that good

    • BarDown57

      Tarasenko? Are you high?

  • Luke McQueen

    i have secretly been hoping for Jaden Schwartz all along but after reading some St Louis blogs, felt that they considered him untouchable. I would do a trade for Schwartz straight up, maybe throw in a second round this year or next and i would be a very happy fan.

    • Pasky

      This is a reply from a St-Louis fans re. Spezza trade value.

      “Blues aren’t looking to add a piece if it would cost them a larger piece. Any talk regarding Taresenko, Schwartz, Oshie and the like is a non starter.

      Berglund, Paarvi, Jaskin, Cole are realistic chips to be played.”

      I agree that Schwartz might be a little out of reach but considering the players they think Spezza is worth I would say some of that is pure homerism.

      • Sandy

        That’s fans talking — not the GM.

        Berglund has a severe injury. Paarvi is basically nothing anymore.
        Don’t know about the other two.

        That’s garbage they want to give up for a #1 centre.

        • aegiszx

          Nothing different than what we do around here, Sandy… Heck you know some of us are really high on Puempel, Hoffman, Stone (which have all really done nothing to warrant such excitement).

        • Tooks

          Not really its pretty much on par and consistent with what every media outlet is reporting.

          Spezza would be #2C behind Backes.
          Remember Gaborik…two 2nds and Matt Frattin. Also I think teams are going for Kelser and Kesler will set the bar for Spezza.

          • Pasky

            Kesler probably doesn’t fit what St-Louis wants though. He’s similar to the players they have now, what they need is a ppg player which is probably why their the front runners for Spezza. I think Kesler is perfect for Chicago personnaly, and if Stastny doesn’t resign in Colorado then I imagine he goes to Anaheim.

          • Tooks

            Kelser would fit in nicely behind Getzlaf in ANA.
            I understand STL trying to get offense but why sacrifice a bit of your future to get marginal results, Schwartz, Tara, Oshie are all getting better and possibly all 3 wil have more or similar pts to Spezza next year.

            They have a contending team for years to come, STL might be the frontrunner for Spezza but IMO they dont offer any of those 3 for him, it would be a step back.

          • Pasky

            I’m not even sure we can get him to be honest, I just believe that is what Murray is shooting for right now. Aim high right? Plus I think that considering St-Louis lost in the 1st round a couple times in a row now they’re felling a bit of pressure to succeed now instead of later. I don’t think Elliot/Allen will get them there but that’s another story.

          • SensDominate

            Then again you may have stumbled onto something there. Perhaps this deal will involve Anderson as well…

          • KJ

            I have no doubt a healthy Spezza can reach 90 points or higher again in St. Louis. That is worth something. Murray May not win this trade, but you can be sure St.Louis ( or other team) has to give to get. It ain’t happening otherwise.

      • sprucesens

        yeah, its similar to us not wanting to give up silfverberg, when we were all pencilling him in the top 6 for years to come. You have to give to get. Top young prospects that have shown they have skill in the NHL is what is needed. I doubt they want to give up Schwartz or oshie, but that’s exactly what it’ll take to be the team that get’s spezza. I’m sure 19 other teams would be willing to give up similar pieces that they’ve reported “Berglund(injured RFA 3rd liner), rattie/jaskin (A level prospects that every team has at least 1 of), and a pick. If that’s the offer, I imagine 19 other teams see that that is the top deal, and throw something in comparable as it would be no major loss to any team, and wouldn’t be a hard deal to beat without hurting your future. But as soon as shwartz gets included, would be hard for other teams to top that.

    • Tooks

      Well if anyone here puts alot faith into BM’s words (which ALOT of you do), you know he said he wont get value for Spezza. So I think Schwartz/Oshie/Tarasenko/Shattenkirk would be going against what Murray said. That would be a big win for the Sens and pretty much value for Spezza.

      • sprucesens

        he also is going to play his cards close to his chest. if he feels spezza’s value is even higher than that, as a ppg 1C, it might just be his way of upping prices. Saying teams are offering next to nothing of value, waiting for one or 2 teams to actually offer something worth while. Had he said people were offering good things, they likely wouldn’t make any attempt to improve their offers

  • Sandy

    The Sens want an RFA who will be with the team for sometime. But they want a good one.
    I want Schwartz as well.
    If St Louis isn’t prepared to offer a good young player to get Spezza for about 5 years or more, as long as his back lasts then he goes elsewhere.

    St Louis has to know that they are the preferred destination for Spezza so getting him to re-sign wouldn’t be a problem, BUT St Louis isn’t the preferred destination for the Sens team — it’s all about who offers the best.

  • aegiszx

    Lock up Gryba for 4-5 years BM, make it happen!!!

    • Sandy

      I’m more concerned with Lehner getting signed before July 1.
      I don’t want Tim Murray going the offer sheet to try to get him. Buffalo’s owner has the money to offer a big contract and they need goaltending.

      • whammer44

        Never going to happen…never.

        • Hax

          Buffalo? Never. Another team offer sheeting him – scary!

    • Voice Of Reason

      You must be a Leaf fan to wish such curse on us!

  • Sandy

    Can someone tell me who Hope Smoke is?

    • FBP

      Leafs blogger who types up and tweets out relevant segments of hockey insider interviews.

  • Brian Simmons

    I’m hoping we get T.J. Oshie, and Terasenko. Trade Spezza, and Cowen too the blues…………

    • Michenator

      This would be pretty swell, but I am not sold on getting rid of Cowen yet, although we do have great alternatives in the pipe. I also feel like there’s no way that trade happens… hhaha.

      • Hax

        Though I think that’s the strategy Murray is using. He’ll keep asking for too much for Spezza then once he feels the time is right he’ll add to Spezza to try and close the deal.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Would be amazing!

    • not YOUR wingman

      Tarasenko = Rooskie
      Not Uncle Eugene’s favorite nationality these days

  • Tooks

    Realistically, why would STL want to give up Schwartz for Spezza, in all likelyhood, Jaden will put up similar or more pts than Spezza next year and for the foreseeable future.

    I would love Schwartz but come on, he had 56pts last year, thats 10 less than Spezza and is 10 years younger, LOL. Plus we want a 1st round pick? I mean, come on folks.

    • Pasky

      Well if reports are true that a 1 for 1 deal is being discussed, who do you think is involved with St-Louis? Anaheim doesn’t have a 1 for 1 that makes sense, and really it’s a 2 horse race right now.

      • Tooks

        Nothing negative at all. Its all speculation and IF I were the Blues, I would not give the Sens much for Spezza.

        Put yourself in the Blues shoes here. Do you give up Schwartz + for Spezza…Its a non starter. If I were them I would want Spezza to play WITH Schwartz haha.

        • Pasky

          In the Blues shoes, my main reason for Spezza is actually for Tarasenko., as I would say he and Oshie are more untouchables than Schwartz. And if trading Schwartz means that they can keep both Jaskin and Rattie then that has to factor in as well. Considering Jaskin is a big LW I can even see him slotting in Schwartz place if the deal would happen.

          Not the trade I’m expecting but one I find at least somewhat realistic.

          • KJ

            Why do some think the Blues are interested Spezza? Because the Blues don’t have a pure scorer. Spezza has value, but it seems some here undervalue a ppg #1C. No one on the blues roster matches up in point production one for one and certainly not over their career. Spezza also produces in the playoffs. Murray is not winning the trade, but he can certainly make sure the Sens are looked after in this trade.

    • esk

      Schwartz put up points one year …spezza for 11 years.

      • Tooks

        Exactly, you just proved my point, thx. Spezza is pretty much done putting up points, Schwartz is only starting.

        Spezza pts for 2-3 more years or Schwartz for the next 10…

        • esk

          spezza is like 30..still in his prime. He has been consistent for 11 years and still has at least 5 years left..ex: Conacher had one good season…theres nothing guaranteeing schwartz to put up 50+ pts next season..he is still young..there’s risk and plus he is fuckin short

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Don’t waste your breath

          • sprucesens

            yes this!! anything can happen after 1 season. you take the consistent point getter every time. While keeping those top young players is also a priority, if giving up 1 gets you a proven PPG player and a better shot at the cup, you probably do it

          • Tooks

            I dont agree here and the world agrees with me. Schwartz is the better player today. Younger and put up as many pts as Spezza, no injury history and plays a 200ft game, no reason for that to trend downward.

          • Frank

            The World agrees with you? Weird cause everybody here seems to disagree with pretty much everything you type

          • Tooks

            Nice try but Spezza is on the decline my friend. Plus add his injury history to this and Schwartz is the better player today.

          • Pasky

            More upside yes, but Spezza is the better player today. In 2-3 years no but if St-Louis is in a win now mode then Spezza is the better option.

          • Tooks

            Thats just it, they aint in the win now mode. the window is still very wide open for them, its not like they are trying to win it for an all time long Blues player who is close to retiring…

          • AutoTurris

            You’re not thinking like the GM though. Dougie has been eliminated early for the past two years. Think he can afford to fuck up again when they have such a stacked squad? The answer is no, he needs to win now or he can kiss himself bye bye

          • Tooks

            Armstrong is not on the hot seat, far from it. They got cash and a solid fanbase, they can toil in the tops for awhile. They dont need to go for it all until a few guys have matured anyways.

          • SensDominate

            What if a goalie is added to the trade to enhance the return. I think there is a strong possibility of this turning from a Spezza alone deal to something bigger. One certainly has to consider the possibility of Anderson being part of the deal.

        • KJ

          Can you see the future?

        • peetypuck

          Your crystal ball is malfunctioning.

    • sprucesens

      because they WANT spezza. If they don’t feel Schwartz is gonna help them win the cup, but spezza might, they take the shot. Especially if they feel rattie or jaskin can step in and produce, or better yet, they spend money on a top UFA to fill the hole, unlike the position we are in, they can spend money. I doubt we get a 1st pick as well as shwartz, but maybe a 2nd or 3rd. We might have to include a roster player like condra as insurance for them, or maybe instead, a prospect like prince. We did the same thing to get ryan. Gave up a player that was around the 30-40 point mark in his first year in NA, let alone the NHL. Also gave up 2 more 1st round picks, for a player who arguably has done less in the NHL than spezza. I prefer ryan’s game over spezza, always have, but the price to acquire should be similar. A top young top 6 player, and 2 more pieces. In this case, shwartz looks to have a higher ceiling than silf did, so that removes one of the top pieces. Making it a 2 for 1. It’s possible. Like my comment below. If its Berglund, rattie, 1st, 19 other teams will call before that deal happens and say here, i’ll beat that right now. I’ll give you a similar prospect, a better 1st, and a non injured already signed 3rd liner

  • Pasky

    And the there’s the E word with this deal from Chicago apparently:

    Jason Spezza, and Ottawa’s 2nd and 3rd this year for Sharp + a conditional pick next year if Spezza is extended.

    Sorry guys….

    • laffin681021

      Isn’t one of our 2nd or 3rd gone this year to EDM? But no I don’t like that trade.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        I think it was a 5th this year and a 3rd next year for Hemsky

        • Pasky

          It is next years 3rd, and I agree I wouldn’t do that considering Sharp is 32. We’re looking for a younger piece than that I hope.

        • laffin681021

          Gotchya. Don’t know why I thought a 2nd was involved. Regardless I don’t like the trade

    • FBP

      I feel like this deal might have been discussed but it involves Tampa flipping Spezza to Chicago.

    • sprucesens

      driving the price up. thataboy murray! let the rumours fly

  • esk

    BRAD RICHARDS bought out

    • Pasky

      Where did that show up?

      • esk

        i got a tsn text lol

        • Pasky

          OK just showed up on their website

          • RUSH RLZ

            And there you have it! ;)

    • RUSH RLZ

      Doubt it, would be plastered all over social media right now.

    • Dirk-Diggler

      They had to do it

      • RUSH RLZ

        I’m sure the simpletons down the 401 are already checking their bank account, preparing to sign the guy.

        • Tooks

          TO is gonna try and get Stastny…

          • Sandy

            They are also going to get Kesler, Thorntonn on top of that.
            How in the hell would they fit that contract on their team..

          • peetypuck

            Don’t forget about Brad Richards too.

  • Hax

    Shatt-En-Kirk! Shatt-En-Kirk! Shatt-En-Kirk!

    • esk

      YES

    • Hax

      Though if they are extending Gryba then maybe not. He’d be our fourth RHS d-man with the other three not likely to ever be scratched.

      • Pasky

        Agree, I think if Gryba signing next week then we either run with Ceci in our Top 4 or Ceci in the A. Phillips-Gryba as our bottom pairing with Borowiecki stepping in. I still question where they fit Weircioch in the lineup though, unless Ceci is automatically starting in the minors and they have Weir playing his off-hand? Or there’s a trade coming with him involved as well.

        • Hax

          I think Boro or Wiercioch will be moved. Unless they end up needing to move Cowen or even Methot. But Phillips is the only LHS d-man that’s not going anywhere.

          • Pasky

            I’m leaning towards Weircioch. More upside meaning more value, and Melnyk won’t have to pay 2M to have him sit in the press box again. Boro is only making 550k and I think can be a good replacement for Phillips in 2 years on that bottom pairing.

            I still would have liked to see Weircioch-Karlsson pairing just to see what they can do together, so maybe if Methot really was/is in PMac’s dog house then they “might” consider trading him, but that leaves our defence way too unproven/shitty.

          • Hax

            All good points. I like Wiercioch’s upside and he’s buds with Turris. So I kinda hope we can keep him.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            I’d trade Methot well before trading Weircioch…

            For me our D ranks…

            1. Karlsson
            2. Weircioch
            3. Methot
            4. Gryba
            5. Ceci
            6. Cowen
            7. Phillips

            I am hoping for Cowen though to get back on track and move to #2!

          • AutoTurris

            Amen, Weircoch is dope, if management deals him it’ll be a huge mistake

          • Hax

            I’d move Gryba down below Cowen and Ceci above Wiercioch.

          • Pasky

            Ceci not yet, although maybe by the end of next year that’ll be the case.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            Sorry, I was thinking in terms of last year.. Ceci was good but he is still young and really didn’t contribute that much last year! Last year Gryba out performed Ceci. But, soon it’ll hopefully be Karl, Cowen, Weir, Ceci, Wilkstrad, Gryba, Boro…

          • Hax

            I was thinking more “value” in terms of who to trade and who to keep (i.e. the higher on the list, less likely to trade unless the return is huge)

          • Dirk-Diggler

            That’s an entirely different list! I mean to the team going into the 14-15 season

          • Pasky

            If Cowen would have gotten on track last year then I could see a Methot trade happening for sure, but now I wonder if they want to keep him as insurance in case Cowen can’t find his game.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Now that’s just crazy.

          • nater21

            I think that I would but Philips at your number 4 spot, and shift the list down accordingly.. Philips doesn’t get enough credit for his consistent play… people remember a few of the burns as that is all that you notice. He is at his best when you don’t notice him in the game at all, just calmly taking care of business.

    • laffin681021

      Wishful thinking but either Shattenkirk and a 1st or Shwartz and a 1st would be nice.

      • Hax

        Shatts and a second in 2015? Maybe toss in another piece from StL and we add Condra (frees up #22 for Shatts)?

        • laffin681021

          I mean anything involving Shattenkirk or Schwartz would just be great for us.

  • Max2166

    As long as Shattenkirk or Schwartz are involved, I’m okay with it. No to Berglund, shoulder injury.

    • esk

      negative on schwartz

      • Sandy

        Positive on Schwartz.
        Can you imagine a forward line of Schwartz-Zibby-Lazar. Schwartz and Lazar are hard working skilled players.
        God, I don’t want to get my hopes up.
        If Tampa comes up strong does that force the hand of St Louis and Anaheim to up their offer.
        Neither of them, especially Anaheim, won’t get Kesler or Thornton. There only hope would be Stastny. But then again, he’s going to Toronto.

  • Hax

    Oooooooooo-Shieeeeeeee … OOooooooooooooooooo-Shieeeeeeeeeeeee

    (either is fine with me)

  • esk

    “The Hockey Chat ‏@TheHockeyChat 4h

    BREAKING: Was just told that the Tampa Bay Lightning are making a huge push for Spezza. Official offer coming this afternoon!”

    • AutoTurris

      Ohhhhhh fuckkkk really gets my loins stirring. If they acquire Spezza, who is a great pick up himself, and then convince Hemsky to come where Spezza is, especially after Hemmer embarrassed them, they will pay a premium

    • Hax

      Outside of Hedman I’m not sure there’s anyone in TB that would get me jumping for joy. Some quality prospects I guess. Have to assume Drouin is not in play (and Hedman likely isn’t either for that matter).

      • Pasky

        Agreed, Filppula or maybe Killhorn would be the main piece but I’m not convinced they have the depth to pull it off. But as long as their offer is half decent then maybe it’ll push St-Louis or Anaheim to up their bid to what we want.

      • Sandy

        Exactly.. They have quite a few young players and small players. Murray wants to go to bigger players..

        • Hax

          Doesn’t mean they can’t help jack up the price though. In fact, I
          wonder if Murray and his buddy Stevie Y are in cahoots here.

          Murray “Steve do you mind if I claim you’re offering me an amazing deal so StL jacks up their offer?”

          Steve “No sweat Bry – just so long as you don’t hold me to it”

          (laughs all around)

          • peetypuck

            Good one. I had a good chuckle too.

      • Sandy

        They want Spezza everyone not named Stamkos and Hedman should be in play.

        • KJ

          I agree here. Spezza setting up Stamkos. Ouch. Gotta think Drouin would be involved in any deal with TB

      • nater21

        Would be nice to get Purcell back as part of a package. I am convinced that Murray was trying to get him out of Tampa for Bishop, but had to settle for Conacher. Big guy, pretty physical, and I think his O game is still improving. I think with 2nd unit minutes, he could be a consistent 20 goal guy.

    • OverMind

      and tampa bay owes us from that Bishop trade debacle… im feeling good about this.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Drouin or bust… Well I’d take bishop back… Send them Anderson and say “oops guys… This is what we meant to do”

      • Sandy

        Drouin and Bishop and their 1st round pick in 2015.
        I want Schwartz but this would do.

        • FistsofNeil25

          You’re reaching for the stars eh Sandy?

    • Tooks

      This could be interesting!

    • laffin681021

      Essentially in Murray’s mind we would be losing the trade with whatever we get in return regardless of the trade partner. Do we really want to send Spezza to a divisional rival and on top of that lose yet another trade to TB?

      • A-Train

        You guys are misreading his “losing the trade” comments. He is talking up his player, sending this message: “You’re not getting an aging, injury-prone centre with leadership issues. No, you’re getting one of the best centres in the league who can still produce in the top 10 and you can’t even give me one of THOSE back. So pony up with what I’m asking for cause you’re winning this trade anyway.”

        • Tooks

          And nobody is buying his BS.

        • Sandy

          Two short seasons ago, this guy was top 4 in the NHL in points.

    • Sandy

      Is this Hockey Chat a valid source?

    • sprucesens

      if the word drou- comes out, murray better be already saying yes. lol

    • JayRuN

      If we got drouin id poo my pants.

  • esk

    On Spezza “..He told Murray that if the Senators were intent on a quick rebuild and were in the acquisition mode in terms of bringing in top-end talent, he wanted to be a part of it.”
    http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/fun-with-semantics-did-jason-spezza-request-a-trade/

    • PraiseAlfie11

      Great find!

  • Cunning

    Rumors going around that st louis is looking at Berglund for kadri in my opinion that’s the deal they should be looking at. Younge point getting second line center this and the Tampa rumor mean this week should be interesting.

    • Sandy

      Toronto does know that Berglund has a severe shoulder injury right?

  • Mike Bauer

    I’ve said it forever. Blues are the better fit for Ottawa as a trade partner. Maybe Dallas. Not Anaheim.

    That said, unless the StL gm is stupid, desperate or both, I don’t see Schwartz coming back. I think ottawa would have to really sweeten that pot.

    If you add Anderson in, cuz StL won’t win with Allen and Elliott, then you might have some traction.

    Anderson, Spezza
    For
    Schwartz, Bergland (who is a salary dump here), conditional pick(s).

    I also think Ottawa will scoop up a UFA or two, similar to the Clark MacArthur model. Ie, Daniel Winnik

    • AutoTurris

      I’d say Armstrong, the Blue’s GM, is looking to make a splash. The team has been embarrassed two years going now and they kept him and that lard behind the bench. Things are gunna change in front of the bench so if the market opens up and Spezza is up for Schwartz, panic might set in and we will be looking at a beauty

      • Tooks

        Haha embarrassed? they lost to the Kings and Hawks, hardly embarrassing…Both Kings and Hawks went on to win the Cup…

    • Pasky

      If we include Anderson in a trade, except Elliot to come back unless they send him elsewhere. They already said that they wanted Jake Allen with the big club which is why they re-signed Elliot instead of Miller. They plan on having Allen compete for the #1 job.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      I agree, I think we get a better return player wise from St Louis, it’s the pick that had me putting the Ducks first. Ottawa having a shot at getting it’s pick back, at 10th, is very tempting. But I expect the player return could make a later 1st rounder just as nice, especially if it includes Schwartz. ;)

    • son of a Diefenbaker

      ….annnndddd Hitchcock has said several times
      “I know how to coach Jason Spezza”
      He and JS get along really well

      I suspect that Spezza’s agent has had a few secret phone calls about Spezza being willing to sign a long term contract with the Blues

  • Brock

    It’s the most wonderful time of the year!

  • Hax

    I keep hearing/reading people talk about Spezza “demanding” a trade and questioning why he’s want to leave town after accepting the captaincy last year etc. Am I the only one that sees this as Jason just being honest in his exit interview (or earlier) that he’s leaning towards testing UFA when the time comes? And that he’s actually helping us a great deal by letting Murray know well in advance so Murray can decide when it’s best to trade and not lose him for nothing? Would these people think better of Spezza if he kept his feelings a secret and just put off extending until it’s too late to trade him?

    On top of that, I submit that Murray is THRILLED Jason made it clear he plans to move on. Murray wants to trade Spezza and now he can do so guilt free.

    • Pasky

      http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/fun-with-semantics-did-jason-spezza-request-a-trade/

      Ken Campbell basically explains exactly what you said, and I agree completely. It’s the first time I can say that I actually agree with what that guy writes lol

    • MethotToMyMadness

      You make a great point. I think the Sens were nearing a point where Spezza would be looked at long and hard, as being considered part of the team going forward. Having him come out and bring it up, makes it much easier on the Sens, that’s one awkward moment Murray didn’t need to deal with. And I do like the fact we aren’t being pressured into it, as Murray has explained, we won’t move him if we don’t get enough value.

    • Kohlmanator

      100% agree, but that isn’t news worthy, unfortunately…

  • Tooks

    Just like I said…Murray asking but not getting :P

    Pierre LeBrun’s Friday Rumblings blog notes the Anaheim Ducks and St. Louis Blues have talked to the Vancouver Canucks about Ryan Kesler and Ottawa Senators on Jason Spezza, and that the price is set too high on each centre.

    • esk

      pony up or tampa bay going to take it. stamkos/spezza/

      • MethotToMyMadness

        Can you imagine how Stamkos will do with that one time shot from the slot, with Spezza feeding him? We’re talking 70 goals easy, lol

        • esk

          i can see yzerman drooling..if i were him id pay that premium for spezza..especially after last year.

          • AutoTurris

            I said this already, but one has to think… The Sens got Hemmer after he aced us with a two goal night. If TB gets Spezza, will they look into Hemmer too after his mad dangle? One can only hope that his rights could be packaged in

          • esk

            Its the only way they would instantly be a top contender…thinky yzerman has shown he is down to make big moves

          • AutoTurris

            I’ve always loved Stevie Y and if he gives us a killer deal / drives up Spezza’s price, I will bow at his feet

          • esk

            He is from ottawa after all..lol

        • KJ

          It makes me sad actually

      • Tooks

        Who do you think TB will offer up, they dont have much to offer?

        • esk

          not sure but they do have TWO first round picks from that Callahan trade. One in 2015 and another in 2014 (since they made it to the finals)

  • Tooks

    Ouch harsh reality…lol

    “And I think it’s a situation where, I do – I think it’s unraveling in Ottawa. And I saw what happened last year with Alfredsson. You know, they wanted him to have a different role. They didn’t to pay him. I think that’s exactly what’s happened with Spezza and I think that players are now saying ‘You know what? Get me my life jacket, I know where the life raft is. I’m outta here.’

    “Because I don’t think the Ottawa Senators are on a path of what you would call upward mobility. I think they’re on the downward path.”

    • FistsofNeil25

      I don’t think we’re headed up or down. I think we’re headed down a path of mediocrity and that’s pretty much the worst path you can take.

    • A-Train

      Button’s a fantasy sports hack. That said, the substance of what he’s saying isn’t wrong.

    • Sandy

      If they sign Ryan & McArthur, this comment is bullshit.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Holy Spezza tweet’s going on today, just filled with possible locations. Not only are the Blues making a pitch, now the Lightning are offering something.

    It was speculated something could be up with Tampa after the Murray interview where he brought up SY’s name, so most of us to expect something from them. I’m still just worried we’d take a gamble on an unproven guy and lose in the deal, like we did with Conacher.

    TB overachieved thisyear, much like Ottawa the year before. Many of those young prospects that debut this season did very well, but who’s to say they can maintain that type of offensive play.

    Out of all the guys, Killorn (who just so happened to just sign a 2 year, $5.1 Mil deal) was considered one of the better overall 2-way players, according to Pierre McGuire on the TSN 1200 morning show. You can also add that he has the best overall size of those prospects at 6-2, 200+ lbs but he’s still largely unproven. If TB was the team to deal with, and you aren’t getting Drouin, Killorn could be a part of the deal.

    • boom

      I’m pretty sure the Sens were asking for Killorn in the Bishop trade, but settled on Conacher…I know I was hoping for Killorn…

    • Pugnacious Serf

      If it is Tampa Bay I’ll bet dollars to doughnuts that a defenseman will be going with Spezza to Tampa Bay. They lack any defensive depth. Connolly would be a great piece along with a number 1 pick. I’d assume one of their centers would need to come back this way(Johnson or Filppula). Spezza and Stamkos on the power play, wouldn’t be happy playing against them together in our division.

    • Sandy

      A lot of those prospects are under 6 ft. Johnson is 5 ft 9. I don’t think Murray goes there.

  • KJ

    Sorry for the timeout in hockey talk. Just witnessed upset of the WC Tournament so far! Unbelievable! Costa Rica just booted England without even playing them. Never saw Italy losing here

    • MethotToMyMadness

      I just saw that, crazy crazy stuff. Little Italy will be a sour place to be today.

      • KJ

        Indeed

    • AutoTurris

      Rooney scored, it’s as good a Cup as England will ever get

    • Tooks

      Italy is already through, you think they cared wether they won or loss this match? Especially with the great consequence it had if they, say, threw the match…

      • son of a Diefenbaker

        Don’t you EVER do any analysis before yapping ?
        If Italy loses to Uruquay in their next game they will be eliminated.

        • Tooks

          Meh Uruguay, Italy should win that.
          Some Italian fella will take Suarez out.

          • son of a Diefenbaker

            Whatever – Italy should have beaten Costa Rica.

      • KJ

        You don’t follow football do you.

      • Frank

        Hahaha, do you even think before typing?

      • peetypuck

        Who cares? It’s soccer. Boooooooooring!!!

  • A-Train

    Weird. Immigration Minister Chris Alexander just used Karlsson as an example during his big Temporary Foreign Workers announcement.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    So with the news that Brad Richards is officially bought out by the Rangers, is there any thoughts or speculation that Spezza could be a target? Or do you think they are going after Kesler?

    • A-Train

      Never count the Rangers out of a crazy move.

      • esk

        especially since they were so close this year…lack of goals..richards sucked. Window to win is now!

      • MethotToMyMadness

        Cue the Nash to Ottawa for Spezza rumors, lol

        But in all seriousness, outside of teams like TO and MTL, the Rangers would be #3 on my Do Not Trade Spezza to list, if I was BM. We’ve just had so many battles with them.

        • A-Train

          Maybe. I know we recently lost a playoff series there, but I feel like New York is a place great players just disappear into…

          Best case scenario is this puts pressure on the Blues.

        • Hax

          So glad we never did get Nash. Can’t see Murray trading Spezza to the Rags but he’ll let them drive the price up.

        • peetypuck

          If I were Jason the Rangers would be the #1 do not trade me to team on my list if he wants to keep his hockey career going.

      • Sandy

        Rangers needed cap space They have a few key players to sign and no room.
        Now Leaf fans are again salivating over Brad Richards.

        • peetypuck

          I bet if Nonis offers him $6 million a year for 6 years Richards will sign.

    • spezzerman

      I believe I read that the only team Joe Thornton has indicated he is willing to go to is the Rangers…

      • A-Train

        That’s the most Rangersy Rangers move ever.

        • spezzerman

          haha, yes I agree…

      • peetypuck

        He must want to retire early.

  • esk

    richards has six years left on his contract with an average annual value of $6,666,667. loool sometimes i understand why the sens do what they do

    • SensFanInMTL

      Mike Richards > Brad Richards.

    • sprucesens

      that buyout costs almost as much as one full season from our entire team on the cap floor! lol

    • thepez

      But all the fools on here want the Sens to pay Hemsky the 5.5 million he wants. The Richards contract and every other same contract should warn teams that anything over three years for a 30 plus year old is dumb.

    • Tooks

      This is nothing for the Rangers, you have to understand.

  • SuckitPhaneuf

    To Tampa:
    Jason Spezza
    Patrick Wiercoch
    To Ottawa:
    Alex Killorn
    Brett Connolly
    2014 2nd round pick

    • Dirk-Diggler

      We would want more than that!

      • SuckitPhaneuf

        I agree, we would want more, but I am not so sure we are going to get it.
        I see Killorn and Connolly as 25 goal scorers in the future, and if we could combine the two 2nd round picks and move up into the 1st round, maybe we could draft a Nick Ritchie or Brayden Point. Three solid young players on the Sens roster for Spezza would be a win at this point

        • peetypuck

          After the top 3, Nick Ritchie would be my next choice. Top power-forward prospect this year.

          • SuckitPhaneuf

            I agree, lots of size and good hands-surprised where he is ranked.

          • Tooks

            Skating is a bit rough I guess.

    • sprucesens

      change out the 2nd for adam erne and we’re talking

      • SuckitPhaneuf

        Would you rather have adam erne or Nick Ritchie in this years draft?

        • sprucesens

          haven’t looked too much into this year’s draft class outside of the top 4 or 5, so I couldn’t tell you

    • Harv

      I am in the group that thinks it would be a major mistake to trade Wiercoch.

  • AutoTurris

    So with TB rumors flying and everyone in a decent mood, I thought I’d remind you all that this does in fact exist:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb-lAq7JcHI

  • sprucesens

    hmm, interesting tweet from chris Nichols “Murray says some teams on Jason Spezza’s 10-team list have expressed an interest. Agent says if you get a good offer, come back to us” its linked on one of the articles from chirp’s tweet for good reading. Interesting that he might still be open to some of the spots on his no trade list. Even if this doesn’t happen, its good to see spezza is a much more realistic person, and inclined to do what’s good for the club. I think he deserves a nod for that.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Yeah too bad our fanbase is 99% goof bullies that feel it necessary to tear him a new one game after game

      • thepez

        Not true. It’s only a handful of the same goof bullies who call in to the post game shows and the same on here. The real hockey and Sens fan realizes what is about to be lost. Spezza is revered in Ottawa by the majority of fans but as in every day life the minority and the negativity is heard.
        I for one have always been a Spezza fan and wish him the best of luck wherever he goes, but in all honesty I could not see the Sens offering him a contract longer than 3 more years and I’m sure he is looking for 5+ years to end his career.

        • Tooks

          11 people at a Spezza rally kinda sinks your arguement…

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            A rally thrown by a bunch of idiots that most people I know wouldn’t associate with if they were the last Sens fans on the planet

          • Tooks

            Its more than what you did…but for the record, I didnt attend either, lol.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Likely because both you and I and anyone that doesn’t love in mommy and daddy’s basement knew it was a waste of time and would make our fanbase look like idiots (which they did a great job of)

    • KJ

      Nashville is one of those teams…

      • sprucesens

        I would guess that’s the most aggressive team from the list. But oilers and Calgary have shown interest, as well as Toronto, whether they are on the list or not isn’t confirmed. We have interest in Winnipeg, but they might not want spezza. The more the merrier we’ll be

    • Hax

      Yeah Spezza is going about this as classily as he can (if that’s a word). I suspect for teams on the list though he’d likely only consider a single year there. Not saying he won’t listen to their pitch on an extension I guess, but I take it as “hey if it will help the team a lot to go play in ___ for a year then go UFA I’m willing to consider it”.

      I hope at the end of all this fans realize that Spezza is doing us a huge favor in all this.

    • Harv

      Spezza is totally different than Heatley and Alfie, for that matter. He has given the club a chance, given them time to look at options. He clearly is a class act.

  • Guest

    Forza Ballotelli

  • SensFanInMTL

    Forza Ballotelli.

    • SensFanInMTL

      Oh I fuckin love when the site goes haywire to post as guest. Now it looks like I’ve been frauded. Forza Spezza.

  • sprucesens

    i’ll put my guess at trades from TB up again. Drouin for spezza. Erne, Connelly 1st for spezza. that’s all I can think of.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Pretty much my guesses too.

      Another team getting in on him is great news.

      We still haven’t heard the last of Dallas either

    • Yukon Cornelius

      Why Tampa would ever consider trading Drouin is beyond me. But if Stevie Y wants to do a Drouin-for-Spezza deal as a ‘thank you’ for giving them Bishop then Murray should take the deal and run.

  • SuckitPhaneuf

    I wonder if Steve Yzerman is thinking I will be the next GM of the Ottawa Senators so I should do myself a favour now and trade Drouin and a 1st to Ottawa for Spezza.

    • Sandy

      Good point.

    • sprucesens

      wouldn’t that be forward thinking on his part, and an amazing add to our organization. Wait wait wait, a billionaire owner buys the team, let’s alfie and yzerman be co-gm’s and we acquire all the top UFA’s! The players love the new ownership, respect and adore the gm’s and everyone wants to win and play in canada’s capital! …. or something completely different happens…

  • Max2166

    Now that the Rangers have bought out Brad Richards, I can see Slats calling about Jason Spezza.

    • peetypuck

      I was told by someone a while ago that Bryan Murray has never traded with Sather. I don’t know if that’s true or not.

      • Kohlmanator

        Cigars aren’t in the budget, Sather said it’s a must for any deal.

      • Tooks

        Thats cuz everytime they meet Sather makes fun of Murray’s lisp! Bastard!

        • peetypuck

          Hehe hehe

  • esk

    “@hockeyanonymous: I’m told by 2 sources that #Blues have made this offer to #Sens
    Cole + Sobotka + 21 for Spezza”I will riot” lool

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Wow we may be lowering our expectations by shit

    • Tooks

      Told you…you guys are gonna be hella pissed!
      I’m not surprised at all.

      • peetypuck

        Crowing a little bit early aren’t you?

        • Tooks

          Crowing? Is that an old saying?
          Just said I wasnt surprised.
          Dont tell me you were surprised at this?

          • peetypuck

            Bryan Murray and Jason Spezza were “rolling on the floor laughing” before he hung up on Armstrong.

          • Tooks

            I dont know, Ian Cole could be our 2nd best D man next year!

          • peetypuck

            Really? I hadn’t heard that they were trading EK65 and Methot.

      • 011110101011110101010101010101

        When you were a 6 year old were you the one yelling
        LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME ?

        • Tooks

          I think every 6 year old does that. If they dont then you have issues.

        • Frank

          He still does it

    • peetypuck

      If I were Spezza I’d be too embarrassed to accept to be traded there for those table scraps.

    • boom

      Yikes.

    • SuckitPhaneuf

      we would be better off trading him at the trade deadline-when he is trying to impress for a new contract

    • Hax

      So because the Blues low-balled us now people are going to assume we’re getting nothing for Spezza? Simmer down folks. Once Statsny is signed somewhere the stakes will rise on Spezza. Same with other dominoes.

      • boom

        You’re right. If this is a true offer, then we have to realize it’s likely just an “opening bid”. Maybe the final offer will be the same, but with Rattie instead of Sobotka….maybe…

        • Hax

          Yeah I’m not saying we’ll get a king’s ransom or anything, just no need to get panty-bunched just yet.

          • spezzerman

            At least it wont be difficult for another team to beat that offer…

      • Tooks

        Oh I agree this is by no means the final offer but it wont get MUCH better from STL.

    • esk

      …what if the blues added bergy to that package?

    • Max2166

      I hope if that is true that Bryan Murray hung up the phone on Doug Armstrong. I can’t see that happening.

    • sprucesens

      i’m sure they did. then murray hung up as politely as possible

  • PaulMacLeansDuster

    Why does everyone love Oshie? 6 Shootout goals in the Olympics aside he is 27 years old and has 1 x 20 goal season in 6 seasons in the NHL. Oh let me guess, he plays a 200 foot game? So does every player that plays for Hitchcock. It’s good to be on a winning team as suddenly you’re a great two way player.

    On that note, Ottawa used to have a player with similar stats throughout his first 6 seasons before hitting the 20 goal, 50 point plateau. His name was Peter Sheaffer. We should have traded him for a number 1 center when we had the chance

    …and that Cole + Sobotka + 21 for Spezza is a joke. A 7th defenceman, a 4th liner and a low 1st in a crap draft year? There will be better options then that….or I keep him and trade him at the deadline. I would rather have one more year of Spezza and lose him for nothing then that crap.

    • esk

      shattenkirk

    • spezzerman

      He will give you 55-65 points, and 20 goals, play all situations and probably earn you at least a couple shootout points . But I tend to agree, his Olympic shootout performance has put him on the radar more than anything else. Great player though.

    • sprucesens

      oshie was sought after before the olympics by murray. He is a solid player in any top 6. There is a reason most st. louis fan’s consider him untouchable. I personally love his game. he’s like a ryan-lite. Crazy hands with better speed, but less physicality.

  • PaulMacLeansDuster

    Why does everyone want to throw in Wiercioch in every deal? He’s 6’5″ 23 years old. He is a great passer and has a good shot from the point on the PP. He will get stronger and be a good 40 point, top 4 d-man for a long time. Plus he is best friends with Turris.

    • Brutus5247

      Friends holds NO water. This is pro hockey. Do what is best. Only way PW stays is if another Left defence goes.

      • A-Train

        “Friends” gets you Tyler Bozak as a first line centre for the next half-decade.

  • jtf927

    man, this is getting awesome. while murray wants a forward, imagine if we got shatty + jbo + st. lu’s first for spezza + cowen + ottawa’s 2nd? talk about solidifying our d.

  • Sandy

    So on The Drive on TSN1200 this afternoon they were interviewing Jim Sandlak who is a scout for the Ducks.
    When talking about his draft picks he had a slip of the tongue, so to speak, and referred to the Spezza trade.
    Ian Mendes mentioned it right after the interview, he caught it as well.
    Now we don’t know if he meant the Ryan trade and just misspoke or one of those picks is coming back in the Spezza trade.
    IF Tampa does up the return to get Spezza, St Louis and Anaheim would have to as well.
    Any team in the East, however, is going to have to overspend for Murray to trade him there.

    • esk

      kings and blackhawks with 2 stanley cups already and more coming..ducks time to win is now…lots of pressure to make a big move or lose that opportuntity

    • jtf927

      happy to hear that dallas and tampa have quietly expressed interest. anything to drive up the price and return.

      • Max2166

        Thanks for the info about Dallas. That could be a fit, they need a second line centre.

        • jtf927

          definitely. any team who is looking for a second line centre should definitely be getting in on the spezza sweepstakes.

    • FBP

      Just listened to the podcast. Jim did slip up on a few other words as well, which make me think he actually just miss-spoke.

      It was a pretty direct ‘Spezza’ though. Weird.

  • AutoTurris

    So no word on the supposed TB offer that was to come this afternoon?

    • A-Train

      So this is what it sounds like, when doves cry.

    • esk

      Spezza to Tampa Bay for J. Drouin and a 1st rounder?

      • PaulMacLeansDuster

        That deal would be great. I would probably do Spezza for Drouin 1 for 1. I think he or Schwartz are your best 2 chances of getting an impact super star in return for Spezza.

  • Sensturion

    Six years ago today, the Ottawa Senators drafted a small kid out of Sweden. I think his name was Erik Karlsson or something.

    • sprucesens

      crazy it was that long ago already. Imagine if he had been on the team in 07.

  • CUP 2014-15

    Eklund reports Spezza ++ for Sharp and a conditional pick, re him signing.

    • Sensturion

      I feel like Sharp is one of those players that looks good because he plays on a good team. He was mediocre at best until the Hawks drafted Toews and Kane.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      What an idiot…. Great player but why would we get older?

      • CUP 2014-15

        agreed, I like Sharp as a piece not for Spezz, never, never, never

    • JayRuN

      I was watchin his podcast(dont ask why) and he was saying some team is gonna over pay for jussi jokinen and ottawas the most likely team to do it.

      • sprucesens

        ug. we coulda just kept hemsky! why don’t we try to overpay our own guys?? o wait, its better when they want out

    • sprucesens

      driving up the price for st. louis. if they see chicago could get him, for much better assets than they were willing to give up, price goes up, as does the want. Not just “well we can maybe do it without him” but “crap, he’s going to our biggest competition who already beat us, we need to up the ante”

    • Andrews theory

      Said this on two previous threads and apparently Eklund didn’t read it.

      Sharp is going to Tbay for Filppula

      • sprucesens

        why? does that trade benefit both? legit question. doesn’t seem like a benefit to chicago, to me anyways

        • Andrews theory

          He is the perfect second line center behind Toews. Defensively sound and offensively gifted.

          Will play with Kane and save 900k off the Hawks payroll.

    • Sandy

      Sharp is a good player but on the wrong side of 30 for the Sens.

  • Sandy

    Craig Button works for TSN who paid a lot of money for the TV rights for the Sens. Then he comes out with comments like that about Ottawa.
    I know it’s his opinions but I wonder how his bosses will look at that.

    • A-Train

      Separation of editorial and business sides of an operation. It’s pretty essential. That said, the NHL would get pretty unhappy about CBC’s coverage of the league etc. And the NFL’s broadcast partners are a complete joke editorially. Refuse to ever say anything bad about the league.

    • peetypuck

      So what did Butt on say now?

      • Sandy

        It’s in the article on Chirp’s twitter on the side.

  • AutoTurris

    The Hockey Chat‏@TheHockeyChat
    The Ottawa Senators have contacted the Toronto Maple Leafs regarding the availability of Nazem Kadri #NHL No official offer as of yet

    Fuck no

    • aegiszx

      LOL

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      I’d be happy with him if it didn’t cost too much

    • sprucesens

      greening, 1 for 1

    • Sandy

      Bullshit.

    • Sandy

      If Dreger doesn’t have it with his close contact with Nonis, then I don’t believe this.

    • esk

      rather kadri instead of shwartz

      • Sandy

        NO way.

        • esk

          lol why not..what`s your argument? i’ve just seen more of kadri and think he is more of what we need

          • Sandy

            Haven’t seen a lot of Schwartz in St Louis but he had 56 pts in 80 games as a 21 yr old this season/
            What I remember most about him as captain of the WJC is he was just clutch. A really hard working player.
            I don’t like the attitude of Kadri. I just don’t really like him even if he played on another team…

          • esk

            yeah attitude seems like everyones issue with him..he did have 44 pts in 48 games last year and 50 pts in 78 games.

      • Frank

        I’d rather have Schwartz. He’s been playing in a good system which teaches the 200-foot game while Kadri seems way more one dimensional and a hot head

        • esk

          goodpoint. He is only like 23-24 though…lots of time to adjust. He reminds me of a young corey perry

          • Sandy

            Schwartz is 21 yrs old. Had 56 pts in 80 games for the Blues and was a +28.
            Kadri is 23 yrs old. Had 50 pts in 78 games and was a -12.

          • esk

            plays for one of the top teams in the league though…kadri was +15 two years ago ..44 pts in 48 games with a shitty leafs team lol

          • Sandy

            Offensively the Leafs are pretty good. Defensively, not so much.

      • luckan20

        I will take Kadri over Schwartz. Kadri can skate, score goals and most importantly grit. I will take him any day over Schwartz. I will not look too much into +/- because Leafs was bad in D, similar to us last night.

        • Sandy

          Schwartz just has that drive.. like Lazar. I would sooner a player that will go through a wall for his team.
          I don’t see Kadri that sort of player.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Kadri to me is a skilled weasel

    • Deadly

      Lazar for Kadri….noooooooo

      • Michenator

        DON’T SAY THIS…

    • Spezza for Kadri

      YEE HAW !

  • Zelle

    Ohh Sens signing Eric Gryba. I’m actually happy to hear this.

    • Harv

      You are not alone.

    • CUP 2014-15

      Where did you see that. I hope they did a three year deal

      • Zelle

        Chirp posted a tweet about it, but no details on price/term. Still happy they signed him though, one of our most consistent Ds last season alongside Ceci.

        • sprucesens

          just clarifying, unless i missed it, they only EXPECT to sign him next week. I’m sure there will be no issues though. So he isn’t signed yet. Happy to see it as well. Long term wouldn’t mind him taking phillips spot in the bottom pair with whoever doesn’t get traded. PW/Methot?maybe/Claesson/boro

          • Zelle

            Ooh my bad, well I really hope they do.

  • CR Sens

    So…this is the most off-topic post you’ll see this year, but I wanted to share…I’m from Costa Rica and we just beat Italy in the World Cup to earn a spot in the Round of 16. You wouldn’t believe the sheer joy this team has brought to a country of 5 million!

    Here’s to hoping the Sens can make you and I just as happy by bringing the Cup home. After all, if Costa Rica can beat 2 world champions in 4 days, anything can happen!

    PS: Ask for Tasarenko or Shattenkirk, then make it look like we’ll settle for Schwartz+2nd/3rd for Spezz+Greening

    • Zira1

      Felicidades amigo! Now if Mexico’s “El Tri” can beat Croatia we too will go to the round of 16. Si, se puede!!

    • SensChirp

      This is amazing. Congrats!

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Great post.

    • Harv

      Taught in San Jose for awhile. You have a beautiful country and the best coffee in the world. Congratulations.

  • luckan20

    Senschirp, any news on our D movement. 8 guys too much to keep, unless, we are planning to start Ceci in AHL. I believe he belongs here as the 6th or 7th guy.

  • Richard Gough

    Being back Yashin Bring back Yashin

    Heal to the Russian King

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    I want Jaden Schwartz. I think Tarasenko would be a huge stretch but he’d be good too

  • SensChirp

    Not able to confirm this but this Twitter stranger seems pretty sure. Still digging.

    https://twitter.com/HighTechSlacker/status/480138886698397696

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Do it in a second

    • JayRuN

      woah I hope this isn’t bullshit

      • SensChirp

        Seems too good to be true. Haven’t been able to confirm so far.

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          There is no way… I would probably streak down Sens mile right now

    • Spoons

      yeah, its BS. This would be a direction towards a rebuild once more. I’d rather have ’15 1st than ’14 1st + ’15 2nd. Question would be though; how to break the Russian curse in Ottawa?

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        How would this indicate rebuild more than any of the other suggestions…. And if it does… Good we should have done it properly originally

        • Spoons

          I have no objections with getting a guy like Tarasenko or Schwartz. It’s just not the direction that some would propose with Shattenkirk or Berglund that we’ve seen so much.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Would take this over berglund 100% of the time

          • Spoons

            I’d even take this over Shattenkirk

          • Jakester

            Don’t get the fuss over Shattenkirk, Sens have 3 of him already on the roster.

      • Andrews theory

        Skill out, skill in

        Tarasenko is the real deal

      • Floridasensfan

        Gonchar was Russian, I will never argue he was a bit over the hill and slow but no way he did not giver his all to Ottawa for his age.

        • Sandy

          He wasn’t a threat to jump to the KHL.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Why not

          • Sandy

            He was 37 yrs old and had played his entire career in the NHL. And if he did, it wouldn’t have mattered.
            What happens with Tarasenko at the first contract dispute?

      • Jakester

        Pretty fussy u r! No rebuild, we would be built!

      • sprucesens

        a start would be to not assume the guy is gonna jump ship immediately and blame him for being russian.

    • Andrews theory

      Uh where do I sign off on this deal?

    • SensChirp

      I’m not getting any flat out denials on this but no confirmation either. Hmm

      • Andrews theory

        If that’s the deal, St Louis has already talked to Spezza or indirectly talked to him about extending.

      • Zelle

        Don’t get us too excited Chirp!

    • Sensturion

      Russians always scare me.

      • Sandy

        Me too. If he doesn’t like it in Ottawa he could jump back where his dad is the coach.. right?

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          He could but so could anyone

    • CUP 2014-15

      This would be outstanding. He could look great with Zibby, So that would end up being Turris, Tarasenko a 1st and a 2nd for Runblad and Spezza, is that right? BM’s da man

    • jtf927

      i am actually surprised by this trade. but, it essentially gives us two first rounders (tarasenko + ’14) and next years 2nd round pick. it would definitely help our depth on right wing as he can slot behind ryan on a line with zbad with either stone of hoffman on the other side. pretty good second “kid” line. i guess we could our defenseman via free agency? i wonder what the ducks are offering?

      • Jakester

        Can have a third line of Hoffman-Pageau-Stone. Not too shabby.

        • Frank

          Zach Smith has to be 3C next season. He’s too good to be on the 4th line

          • jtf927

            yeah, i agree. based on how pageau plays, smith should be either centre the 3rd or 4th line.

          • sprucesens

            that would be an excellent problem to have would it not? also, we need to run 3 lines that are considered scoring lines, with the 4th being the bang/crash energy line that grinds them down, and is still solid defensively. Also, to go with that statement, neil and greening are usually stapled to his hips, so unless they are traded, do you really want those 2 getting 3rd line minutes over potential top prospects that need to grow and learn, and produce? i sure don’t

        • jtf927

          that would be a sweet 3rd line. hope pageau can step it up this year. imagine being able to roll 4 lines with young players. with a solid d, we could be one of the fastest and best transitioning teams in the league!

    • Frank

      If this is true and BM has yet to pull the trigger, it could mean other teams are about to step up their offers. I hate to get this worked up though lol

    • Sensturion

      Malkin traded to the Florida Panthers for Huberdeau, Nick Bjugstad and Scottie Upshall and 1st overall.

      I just invented a trade too. Until it happens, I’ll be skeptical. Sorry.

      • Andrews theory

        Had me you buggar…

        My eyes jumped out of my head

        • Sensturion

          I did a really good job making that one up… I surprised myself o.O

      • Pasky

        I would do that as Pitts lol

  • SensFanInMTL

    I know everyone’s aware of other teams attempting to make a splash for Spezza. See that? We’re undervaluing him a shit ton. He is an elite top 6 centremen. Teams would kill to get a 1-2 punch down the middle. Keep the other teams coming. Hopefully we’ll have 5 or even 6 teams fighting for him. Everybody wants Spezza. We got him, and you want him. You want him that bad though? Give up part of your assets now. Do it. Woohoo! Christmas morning.

    • Spoons

      I don’t think he’s underevaluated. It’s the 1 year remaining on the contract and his health issues that drop his worth. Everyone knows and doesn’t doubt his talent level.

      • SensFanInMTL

        Oh for sure. But if that’s the case, couldn’t we just sign him to a one year deal, then deal him to St. Louis as everyone says with Spezza in St. Louis for 2 years?

        • sprucesens

          we could, but it would happen after this year’s draft on july 1st, thus changing any picks involved, and their potential worth to a team, as where teams end up is a ??? next year. And its a deeper draft. If it doesn’t happen by the draft, then i expect this to be the case, in a sign and trade scenario

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      I would love nothing more than a buffet centred around tarasenko and nichuskin

      • Andrews theory

        Unfortunately one of those would cost you Ryan

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          Not according to some random tweet chirp putbup

          • Andrews theory

            I didn’t see anything on Nich.?

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            No that’s just my wet dream

        • C.J.

          wut… lol as in bobby ryan? so tarasenko or nichuskin are worth silfverberg,noesen and a 10th overall pick?? dont think so haha

  • Andrews theory

    If he was coming back, you’d have to think it would cost Stone and or Lazar their spot in the lineup.

    That’s pretty great depth at RW

    Ryan
    Tarasenko
    Stone
    Lazar
    Neil

    • jtf927

      that’s awesome depth. i remember rw used to be a major weakness for us.

    • Pasky

      Dont forget about Condra either. Ryan has experience as a LW and since Murray talked up Zib as a 1st line guy this would be my forward group:

      Ryan-Zib-Tarasenko
      CMac-Turris-Stone
      Hoffman-Pageau-Lazar/Condra
      Greening-Smith-Neil

      If Lazars tryout doesn’t work out then Condra slots in, or if Pageau doesn’t work out either maybe he can stay Center, or Grant as well.

      • SensFanInMTL

        Lazar’s prestige as a 1st rounder outshines Condra alone. I’m sorry bud, but I am putting all of my mutual funds on this kid.

        • Jakester

          Don’t forget Condra, we get Tarasenko and the name Condra will never enter my mind again.

      • C.J.

        ppl seem to be forgetting 9MM, i have a feeling he will still be a senator come october.

        Cmac-Turry-Ryan
        Hoffman-Zib-Tarasenko
        Michalek-Lazar-Stone
        Greening-Smith-Condra
        Neil

  • Jakester

    Tarasenko is a left hand shot so maybe can be used on left wing.

  • Jakester

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9i9DShEmf-A

    Loads of talent, would say Done deal.

    • sprucesens

      old video, but yeah, he was rated the top prospect in the world for a year or 2. If he’s offered up with a couple picks, i don’t really see what the hold up is. Like everyone says, russian factor and so on. Yes there is a chance russian players leave for the KHL, but so do other players. Da costa for example is gone in the last week to KHL. He’s not russian, he’s french. Nobody complained there, at least about him leaving because he’s not north american. I would welcome him to the senators

  • Deadly

    Is this the deal that Tooks predicted? Or would this put an end to his BS?

  • SensFanInMTL

    I’m gonna shit on everyone’s parade unfortunately and say, Tarasenko: Loved. Until the day he becomes upset, takes his ball and goes home. Now we shouldn’t cast judgment on everyone with the Russian factor correct? To the day I die I will never be happy having one on our team. You know, Winnipeg could’ve used the skills of Burmistrov. Same goes with New Jersey and the 37-year, $110 B for Kovalchuk. If that rumor is correct with St. Louis coughing up Tarasenko, 2014 1st AND a phuckin 2015 2nd, then what’s the difference asking for Schwartz, 2014 1st and the 2015 2nd? Schwartz alone was an overpayment as many have said, but Tarasenko, 2015 2nd and 2014 1st isn’t? We can’t swap Tarasenko with Schwartz?

    • Sandy

      You have the same eerie feeling that I do. Especially when it comes to contract time which is at the end of next season.
      What if he asks for 5-6M and Melnyk won’t pay? He leaves or gets offer sheeted and the Sens are left with a first round pick in 2014 and a 2nd in 2015 for Jason.
      I wish I was as excited as some of you. I’m not going to debate his talent as it’s through the roof but it makes me nervous.

      • Frank

        If he gets offer sheeted at that price the Sens would get a minimum of 2 1st round draft picks

        • Sandy

          Is all of that enough for Spezza. Draft picks?

          • Mr Hockey

            If in the end we get 3 firsts and a 2nd for Spezza. Yeah, I’d do that in a second. No way this rumour has any truth to it.

  • Sandy

    Wow.. just wow.

    Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey · 3h

    Toronto Star article suggests Toews, Kane “are expected to sign for $12 million a season.” #Blackhawks http://www.nicholsonhockey.com/worthreading/2014/6/20/nichols-notes

  • A-Train

    There’s just no pleasing some fans. If the team lands Tarasenko plus a first rounder you should be happy…and i think you’ll be happy when you seem him explode off Zibanejad’s wing.

    There will be question marks with any player. Don’t overdo the Russophobia too. Not a good look.

    • Sandy

      Murray usually stays away from them. That’s another reason I question this.
      Other than Volchy, this team has had such bad luck with Russian players. Highly skilled but just bad luck for this team..

      • A-Train

        Wouldn’t he just take the best player he can get? And I’m not sure where this idea that he stays away from Russians came from. He signed Gonchar and Kovalev. Took a chance on Filatov.

        • Deadly

          Don’t confuse us with the facts.

        • Jakester

          Just haven’t found the right Russian yet! This kid would be electric!

          • Sandy

            I’m not doubting this kid’s talent. He’s amazing.
            But with the no-money Owner and Tarasenko’s contract up the end of next season, will Melnyk pony up the money to keep him?
            That’s my only fear.. the Owner not spending to keep him.

          • A-Train

            Legit fear given recent events. But we’re trading a guy with only one year left. We’re not gonna get a player with reasonable term back.

          • Jakester

            He’s a young player who would be anRFA for awhile, what’s the panic about.

    • SensFanInMTL

      Here’s an idea. We take the trade and flip Tarasenko. Qui est avec moi? Quelq’un!?!

      • Jakester

        Or we just let him play and score 40 goals next year.

        • SensFanInMTL

          Tu veux plus etre mon ami? F lui man.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        No

      • A-Train

        Great step toward becoming a laughing stock franchise…

        • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

          And not our first step

        • SensFanInMTL

          They’re the ones that want Spezza so badly. I don’t make the rules man. Schwartz or GTFO.

          • A-Train

            Not following you here. Two good players.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            Tarasenko 100x >Schwartz

    • Spezza for Kadri

      It’s the team owner who has the disdain for all things Russian these days.
      Tarasenko will NOT be playing for Ottawa.

      • A-Train

        That’s a stretch. Ukrainian-Russian tensions go back a while. That didn’t stop Sens fans from claiming Melnyk “forced” Murray to sign Kovalev. Remember that line?

        • Spezza for Kadri

          Things change.

          Tensions are now `off the scale` by the Kovalev-era standards.

          You are aware the Russia is in the process of annexing another large chunk of the Ukraine ?

          Did you miss Uncle Eugene`s rant about Russia hosting the next World Cup ?

          • A-Train

            I’m more aware than you know.

            Somehow I think Eugene will be just fine with this deal though But if you’re correct and he nixes this for political reasons, this team is in big, big trouble.

          • Andrews theory

            Pretty sure Eugene is also aware that these political moves are above the kids authority level.

          • OverMind

            Do not be fooled. The only bad guys in the entire Ukraine issue is the US state dept which is run by the neocons right now. The US wants to sell its natural gas to Europe (pipeline from middle East up through Syria, turkey – see attack on Syria as they tried to side with Russia which is why they are being attacked by proxy by the US). And at the same time the US wants to cut off the Russian supply through Ukraine. Did you guys not hear about the assistant Secretary of state Victoria nuland talking with the ambassador to Ukraine about placing their own candidate in power? Because yushchenko was siding with the Russians so que regime change. Anyone remember the sniper fire in that attack on the square that shot both the police and civilians? And was traced to the top of a UN controlled building?

            Russia is not the bad guy here, the aggressor is the US state dept controlled by war mongering neocons.

          • bluebuyyoo

            What are your thoughts on the Kennedy assassination, Area 51 and the NY twin towers collapse?

  • luckan20

    I doubt Tarasenko coming our way. We need a North American, who will not bail out during play-offs. Prefer to get 2 players than a pick. We need quality return not 2014 picks, since means nothing.

    • Jakester

      Don Cherry is that you?

    • Andrews theory

      Let’s assume he is for a minute. He may or may not be a long term fit in Ottawa but he is a proven young offensive threat with game breaking talent. These guys don’t come available that often.

      You grab that asset.

      If I could choose two decent players or one with top line talent, I’d take the top line talent every time.

      Probably not happening but count me as a guy that would look at buying his Jersey. Picks are a bonus really.

    • Sensturion

      Tarasenko had 4 goals in 6 games in the playoffs this year.

  • bluebuyyoo

    Kind of ironic that the Blues picked Tarasenko using the Sens #10 pick that they got for Rundblad in 2010.

    • peetypuck

      Actually, the Sens traded the #16 pick to STL.

      • bluebuyyoo

        I stand corrected. The Senators held the 16th pick in 2010.

    • WaitingSince92

      That’s not irony.

      • bluebuyyoo

        Well, it is ironic. Literally! :-)
        If the Senators had kept their pick, they could have selected Tarasenko and had their Spezza too.

        • WaitingSince92

          I walked into right that one. Full points for the double abuse!

          If we had kept our pick and if we had drafted Tarasenko, would wouldn’t have had the Rundblad to trade for Turris.

          • bluebuyyoo

            Exactly why that turned out to be a great move by Murray. Turris for the 2010 16th pick.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Is that you Alanis?

      • WaitingSince92

        rain on your wedding day; how clichéd and unfortunate

  • Phoenix

    I hope Murray passes. The Russian factor worries me. Take a look at how many are in the league. Not many and when their contracts are up for renewal. How many sign at a decent price. The Sens need a skilled North American kid moving forward. I suspect that Murray will be busy this weekend getting his ducks in a row and the real contenders start separating themselves from the tire kickers early next week. Personally I am hoping for Minny, TB, and Florida to be involved.

    • Jakester

      Yeah Galchenyuk,Markov, and Yemelin that hasn’t worked out for the Habs f-ing Russians they can have them all!

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Umm Galchenyuk is American(Belarus), Markov has both Canadian and Russian Citizenship.

        The outright racism demonstrated towards Russians by our fanbase is disgusting. Some of the comments(none in here yet) are basically the equivalent of calling Subban a ______.

        • WaitingSince92

          I’ve been wondering about this for a while. I actually like Don Cherry a lot of the time, but I think he paved the way for this xenophobic bullshit and it kills me.

      • Phoenix

        Galchenyuk is a Belarusian American born in the States and played his entire hockey career in North American. Yemelin and Markov have stayed but its the whole if I don’t like it I will go home option. Got no control over their rights. I think Minny could be a dark horse if they want to make a bigger push this year. Dumba, Coyle, 1st for Spezza

    • Sandy

      Tarasenko’s contract is up after the 2014/15 season. I would assume he would want around 6M for his next contract. And I’m pretty sure that wouldn’t fit into the salary structure. So the Sens could end up with Tarasenko for 1 yr.

  • Brutus5247

    With Dorien saying RFA Gryba will be signed next week for sure I think that he is in the trade picture. What would be the rush to sign him if he wasn’t a trade piece? If Shattenkirk came back he becomes redundant as they are both right. Remains to be seen.

    • sprucesens

      or another right handed shot is traded. He’s an RFA, its either sign him, or trade him, or offer him UFA status. Doesn’t have to be a precursor to anything. I think they like him on the 3rd unit and PK. Possibly going with karlsson, Ceci, Gryba down the right. Phillips and methot have the other 2 spots on left, leaving only 1 vacant spot. Unless ceci is sent down to let the others figure out their problems. I could see this as possible too, but less likely as his ELC has kicked in

  • sprucesens

    hmmm. tarasenko must be crazy good. here are his stats according to TSN from 2008

    7g 3a 10p……2shots 350% shooting.

    Hell yes i want him, his goals are worth more!!! that’s 3.5 goals per shot! yes please

    http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=7868

  • Phoenix

    Chirp, Any word on if the Sens are still being considered by Jiri Sekec’s camp and any idea when he may sign with someone.

  • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

    Tarasenko + a 2014 1st, and 2015 2nd is a lot better than what 3/4 (if not more) of you were thinking we’d get back. I’m not worried about the return, pretty sure I’ll be more than happy, I said it from the start

    Kovalev gets it from most Sens fans, but not me. Shit, he almost scored 20 both seasons here and probably would have if he didn’t get hurt in 2011. Also did that while playing for a piss poor dumbass of a coach in Clouston while playing bottom 6 minutes sporadically on PP line 2 and only with the big boys when we got a 5-3

    Hope BM isn’t think about Brad Richards, be like keeping Spezza. Now if Mike Richards gets bought out… Then he can go after a Richards

    • OleHeaveHoFlipperoooni

      Tarasenko and Zbad together could be SICK!

  • FistsofNeil25

    I don’t know about this Tarasenko rumor. There’s no friggin’ way we’d get all that for Spezza. Tarasenko would be a dream come true. He plays a hard 200 foot game but he’s got great talent. He was St Louis’ best player for them in the playoffs scoring 4 goals in 6 games.

    He would be a great addition to the Sens. He has more offensive potential than anyone in our organization, including Turris, Zibanejad, and maybe even Ryan. He has the talent to put up 70+ points and after being developed by Hitchcock, he knows how two play at both ends of the rink.

    Even if Murray softens on his stance towards Russians, there’s no way Armstrong gives Tarasenko gives that guy up.

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      There is no way the deal is as its been put out…Tarasenko is one of the guys I would do a straight swap for….he is that good.

      • Jason P.

        Yeah they can keep that second round pick. Haha.

      • Deadly

        Do they have a first round pick in 14?

  • Jason P.

    Tarasenko – Zibanejad – Ryan
    MacArthur – Turris – Stone

    That is a great, young top 6. Turning 26 in 4 days hopefully Murray gets me something nice.

  • savagestix

    Realistic but slim chance trade that i can see happening is schwartz plus a late 1st for spezza

    You need to give to receive…

    • ProfessorPower

      Well we all hoped for a bidding war. If Ducks are offering Etem + 10th + you can easily tell St.Louis that if they want Spezza they have to give up one of Schwartz or Tarasenko (who were both drafted higher in the same year as DSP and Etem). Although some people disregard it there is a wide gap between picking 10th and 21st, as well the 10th holds much more trade value if we choose to flip it. So, if an offer is Etem + 10th + player/prospect, and St.Louis feels they arn’t getting Statsny then I could definitely see them offering Taresenko + 1st + 2nd.

      • savagestix

        Like you said… Bidding war would be the best because for now it doesn’t look like anaheim wants to get rid of the 10th plus st louis doesn’t want to give tara or schwartz , interesting week ahead

    • Sandy

      I would take that over Tarasenko..

  • SensChirp
    • Frank

      At least he’s still the Best Overall Person

      • whammer44

        I’d actually question that self proclamation with him trying to spread a rumour like that…cruel to a Sens fan…cruel

        • Frank

          After going back and forth with him on Twitter, he should change his handle to mostsensitvprsn

    • whammer44

      Who is this guy? What credibility does he have to get this much attention to a deal that makes no sense for the Blues?

      • SensChirp

        Because I sent a tweet showing the rumour that was being sent to me by anonymous internet fellow and saying that if such an offer existed, Murray would be a dang fool not to do it.

        • whammer44

          ahh I see and everyone jumped all over it.
          Ok…I’ll go back to my cereal and cartoons.

        • A-Train

          Oh well, back to talking about Berglund’s shoulder….

          • whammer44

            Right. I saw a picture of his shoulder hanging out at South Beach. I mean how bad can it be!?

          • A-Train

            Berglund’s shoulder for Michalek’s knee and a conditional pick….

          • whammer44

            Ha. Perfect!

    • Jakester

      Yeah right, who is this guy? Come on Anaheim, Etem, Rackell, and our first, some thing like that. Or Tampa lets go!

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      There is absolutely no chance this offer was on the table officially or the trade would have already been announced.

      • AutoTurris

        Oh yeah, this bestoverallidiot shot some shit out his ass.

        • sprucesens

          don’t know the guy, but it sounds like he legitimately had a source, and apologized that the info either wasn’t accurate or the deal was taken back. Sounds like someone who actually tried to give good info. Maybe it was offered, then they had second thoughts, as he seems to be hinting? No point in criticizing if you don’t know the whole story.

    • Frank

      He now has a new supporter who has taken my posts even more to heart! These Twitter dudes are too much lol

  • Frank

    This is going to be the longest week EVER…

    • Sandy

      6 more days or longer…

  • Gavin Ray

    spezza + greening + 2015 5th rounder for
    tarasenko + rattie + 2015 1st rounder

    • Frank

      Hell freezes over before StL makes this deal

    • markukihokej

      If GMBM could do that, I would fly to Ottawa to kiss his hand

  • esk

    I dont want anyone from the blues except shattenkirk

    • WaitingSince92

      …then I guess no one cares what you want. I’m sure Murray would take Tarasenko or Schwartz in a heartbeat.

      • esk

        harsh lol tarasenko and schwartz had one good season. I get there suppose to be really good but theres still risk there. I think murray would take shatty if offered especially since he is more of what we need!

        • WaitingSince92

          Yeah, sorry, that was harsh, especially since I agree with “Shattenkirk=good”, but Tarasenko was a beast in the playoffs, like Schwartz, not just the regular season. Our top six has just as big a hole(s) as our top 4, remember…

          • esk

            I get your point. Just think top 4 should be our priority.. if your defence sucks everything else falls apart. We saw that this year. Unless there are free agents we can target? or hope for our guys to step up big time

          • sprucesens

            But losing spezza means losing our top offensive player too, which creates a hole

        • Jason P.

          We already have too many defenseman under contract next season. Spezza and a late round pick for Tarasenko and a conditional second round pick that 5 turns into a first if Spezza resigns. That’s what i 5hink would be best and could see both sides doing it.

          • esk

            so? we’d get rid of someone to make room.

      • sprucesens

        or oshie, backes, pietrangelo, allen, ……

        • esk

          lol yes because backes and pietrangelo are going to get traded anytime soon

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      Then you are nuts.

      Order I would want

      1-Tarasenko
      2-Shattenkirk
      3-Schwartz

      2 and 3 are essentially a tie

      • whammer44

        Of course there’s about another 6 guys or more you could add to this list that are likely untouchable. Which makes the statement not even worth commenting on

        • esk

          i was referring to the guys most likely to get traded not the entire roster buddy

      • esk

        I disagree..how are two still very young and unproven players ahead of a proven top4 dmen? not to mention US olympian…

  • AutoTurris

    I don’t know if these sorts of rumors reach the management, but irregardless, if I’m Murry and the draft is in 6 days, I’m calling up Armstrong and I’m saying Tarasenko or Schwartz and hanging up.

  • Mitchell

    does anyone remember what Buffalo got with the Miller trade? how about the Vanek trade. they were overpaid to help win teams stanley cups. what do you guys think about trading spezza at the next trade deadline?

    • iKarly65

      My comparable is Gaborik, what NY got in exchange from Columbus (Brassard, J. Moore & D. Dorsett). Three serviceable players. Moore was essentially a prospect at the time, Brassard is a top 6, and Dorsett a bottom 6.

    • Sandy

      The only issue is his health. If something happens then the Sens lose big time and he just walks.

  • aegiszx

    Vanek, B.Richards, Callahan, Gaborik.

    If (by a long shot) Murray targeted those guys, who would you want?

    Is Callahan done? Is Gaborik going to command too much money? Vanek just a flash in the pan?

    • Rafi Bomb

      Callahan is the only player I would target.
      >Vanek was invisible in the playoffs, and we don’t need non-playoff performers.
      >Richards is a shell of his former self
      >Gaborik is going to get a huge salary this off season so we can’t afford him. Also we don’t aren’t built like LA so we don’t have the grit, toughness or defensive acumen to insulate him.

    • sprucesens

      personally, none of the above. I’d go more for cammalleri, moulson, vrbata and if bought out parenteau. Parenteau maybe could be had for cheap like a pick or prospect, if it helps colorado get ROR and stastny signed, and then they avoid buying him out. Depends on spezza return though, if we even need/want a ufa forward, and if lazar makes the team or not

  • Rafi Bomb

    If we are looking at the types of UFA’s that Murray might sign this off season, they will almost all be bargain pick ups. One such player that I think Murray should target is Andy Miele. Normally I am vehemently against bringing in smaller players but I wanted the Sens to sign Miele when he first turned pro from the NCAA and I think he could be a good fit now, We might be able to sign him on a two way contract or a one way for less than $1M. He is coming off a season where he put up 72 points in 70 games played in the AHL.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XgyDjE0it8

  • karlssens

    If Brad Richards can be signed for under 4 mill a year for less than 4 years I’d offer him a contract. Would be a great piece to add to our rebuilding team.

    • whammer44

      Disagree.
      Richards is on a fast decline. Faded hard this playoff. Torts benched him last year and he is probably Richards biggest advocate.
      His best fit is a role player on a contending team.

    • Jakester

      Can’t skate very well. If you want another center make pitch for Sam Gagner.

  • karlssens

    Also, I would rather get a young top 6 forward back with the Spezza trade… we already have so many defensemen and there’s hope that with a full offseason of training Cowen and Weircioch can become that much better. I expect a much better season from Cowen, they must be really focussing on his game. He seems like a good kid, he was the first to admit he wasn’t at his best last season.

    • whammer44

      The problem with this argument is that past EK and Methot there are zero established top 4 defensemen on this team. Sure, it would be great if Cowen and PW became those guys, but based on what I saw last year I have no reason to believe its going to happen…Cowen was horrible and PW was a part-time player.

      A top 3 dman is exactly what this team needs. That said, BM needs to take the best offer whether a dman or forward.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        I still don’t understand why PW was a PT player…hard to argue with what you are saying, but any time he played I saw no reason that he shouldn’t have had a more consistent and substantial position on our team.

        • Brutus5247

          Low GRIT without Point per game production

  • A-Train
    • RUSH RLZ

      That’s a garbage piece dude. We’re not talking some player on some team losing any old game. This is a chance that comes along only every 4 years, if you qualify that is.

      Hockey players care and they feel the heat even hear it dreary old Ottawa. How do you think some of those guys feel with the weight of England on their backs? Add to that the likes of Rooney + Gerrard are likely in their last World Cup.

      He probably does feel bad and is bummed out. Nothing wrong with that.

  • Sandy

    Not Sens related:

    Retweeted by Bob McKenzie

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    Gerard Gallant named new coach of #FlaPanthers. DETAILS: http://ow.ly/yiuAQ

  • AutoTurris

    I work out at a field station for the university I attend. Last night we had a fire and a few beverages. The fire dies out, we are all sleepy from field work and the drinks so we call it a night. Except me. What do I do? I say to myself; “Hey, let’s see what’s going on with the Spezza trade.”

    Boom. I’m hit with the Tarasenko rumor. I’m through the roof. I go to bed beaming.

    Needless to say I’ve been in a horrible mood since I check the site this morning.

    • SensChirp

      Ha. I really thought it was pretty clear that wasn’t a rumour with much if any substance but I know people are all a little on edge this time of year. Myself included.

  • Jakester

    There are rumors out there that the Hawks are talking similarly with the Ottawa Senators about center Jason Spezza. And I would not rule that deal out either at this point.

    However, because Kesler seems to have a very narrow set of teams he’s amenable to and the Hawks head the list, plus the Kane connection (no small consideration in light of ongoing contract extension talks for Kane right now), it seems at this moment to be the hotter rumor.

    From the Hawks Hockey Buzz Dude!

    • Sandy

      Vanc sending Kesler to their hated rival?

      That’s like the Sens sending Spezza to the Leafs.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Which honestly I think is more a fan driven fear… If they offered the best deal I’d be pissed if we didn’t send him there.

        He sucks after all according to a lot of fans so it would be win/win

  • Millennium

    At this point, I just need this trade, draft, and free agency to be over. I want to know what team we are going to have next season.

    • Sandy

      I just hope and pray that the team we have next season includes a signed Ryan & MacArthur.

  • SensChirp

    Senators will open the season on October 9th in Nashville. Home opener will be a week later (Oct. 16th) against the Colorado Avalanche.
    Full schedule to be released tomorrow.

    • Spezza for Kadri

      Interesting – I’ll be counting the number of afternoon games

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        They were requested by melnyk last year …It was his own fault

        • In the Bleachers

          We KNOW that – the question is will he do it again this season

        • aegiszx

          Gotta get families out to the games all together and take their money after we lose…

        • Sandy

          He’s an idiot. He reportedly did that so the Sens would not be trying to compete against the Leafs for viewership on CBC Saturday nights.

          • Jakester

            Stop giving him so much grief, not his fault the team sucked balls in afternoon games,Captain couldn’t get the team up for the games???

          • Sandy

            A Canadian based hockey team having something like 16 afternoon games in one season? That’s ridiculous.

            Attendance was down for those afternoon games. He gained nothing, he lost bums in seats.

          • Jakester

            It allows a lot of younger fans, future fans , to enjoy the team. Allows us older fans to go to the games and then watch more hockey at night, not a bad thing. Just have to win those games. More dedicated players will solve that dilemma.

          • Jakester

            I took my son to 3 afternoon games and the Sens blew in everyone. Edmonton,Detroit, and NYR. I spent a shitload of cash at the games so maybe family days rake in lots of dough.

          • In the Bleachers

            “And, the Senators aren’t kidding themselves, they know their disastrous record of 1-9-2 in afternoon games this season could end up costing them a playoff spot.”
            (from a Boo Boo article on Feb. 08)

      • aegiszx

        I’ll be counting the number of Leafs/Habs games on Fri/Sat… Sens will probably get a Friday game once a month lol

    • Sandy

      Damn. I entered a Sens contest to name the first home game and for some reason picked NJ.
      I love the Avs. Such a good exciting team. And if the Sens didn’t trade for Andy, Landeskog would be an Ottawa Senators. Sad sad sad.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Still despise that trade

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Should say I despise the after affects of the trade… Don’t inherently dislike the trade itself, just don’t think it was done at the right time

    • Mitchell

      spezza most of knew about the first game. maybe his decision not to go there!

  • Brock

    So excited for next season. All of our players getting faster and stronger. Hoping for Cowen, and Michalek if he’s resigned, to have a bounce back season. Zibanejad, Turris, Ceci, Wiercioch, ect. all getting stronger. Lazar hopefully making an impact as a rookie. Lehner and Andy playing to their potential, plus whoever we get for Spezza. Thinking next season could be a good one. Go Sens Go!

  • NickofTime

    Regardless of Berglund’s shoulder injury he should be the main peice of this deal because Ottawa needs another big centre to replace Spezza & Berglund is a good two way player with offensive potential. He will need some scoring wingers though. I certainly don’t want the smurf Schwartz or the flight risk Russian Taresenko. I’d be satisfied with Berglund & their 1st rd pick but I hope that BM is not finished. I would also like to see BM go after O’Reily in Colorado & Stewart in Buffalo to play along side of Berglund to create a decent 2nd line. Hoffman – Zibanejad – Stone could be a decent 3rd scoring line.

    • Jakester

      You know what I liked the Berglund plus Jaskin plus pick rumors. I think we could use two forwards.

      • Sandy

        If Berglund is injured, can he be traded? If they want to go that route (trade an injured player) , then the Blues had better add a little something extra, like a 2016 first round pick in addition to Berglund, Rattie (Jaskin)and a 2014 first.

        • Jakester

          C’mon stop dreaming , two first round picks. And don’t worry Berglund’s arm isn’t about to fall off.

          • peetypuck

            It’s not his arm it’s his shoulder that’s damaged.

          • Jakester

            He has all summer to be ok.

    • esk

      ” I certainly don’t want the smurf Schwartz or the flight risk Russian Taresenko.” Exactly

  • Sandy

    Ottawa Senators ✔ @Senators

    We’ll unveil the full #Sens schedule tomorrow afternoon!

    • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

      What’s sad is even this worries me Hahahaha

  • Sandy

    117 days until the first home game. Doesn’t sound too bad, does it? A little less than that if you go by the first day of training camp in Sept.

  • jtf927

    can’t believe the blues pulled on that deal. that would have been a good one for us to help continue the youth movement. i wonder if maybe murray came back at them telling another team had stepped up and offered an even better package, causing them to go back to the proverbial drawing board? i have to admit though, i do have some reservations about russian born players. that, and the fact that i really wanted a defenseman in the deal were my only two gripes.

    • Frank

      Come on. The deal never existed. If it had, Spezza would be traded right now

      • jtf927

        i don’t want to refute the existence of the deal. maybe murray told the other interested GM’s in an attempt to up the offers, but in the meantime the blues got cold feet and pulled out. we will never really know.

        • Jakester

          It was a bogus tweet, nothing to it!

  • Phoenix

    Ok so I didn’t submit a trade so I am going to go with Dumba, Coyle, 2015 1st for Spezza and Borowiecki. If St. Louis is looking at moving Berglund then I’d try and target him as well for 2nd or 3rd line center.

    • Sandy

      Berglund with the severe shoulder injury is not an option,

      • Jakester

        Are you a DR. or do you just play one on TV.

  • Mitchell

    any takers on how much it will cost for michalek? i was hoping to move on but if his reasonably price and hell actually try to get another 35 goals next season ill shell him 5.5 million for 3 years. (line-ups with in years to come)

    Speed and Size
    Michalek-Zibanejad-(SPEZZA TRADE)

    Possession and skill
    MacArthur-Turris-Ryan

    Mixed Bag
    Hoffman-Pageau-Lazar

    Hard Forwards
    Greening-Smith-Condra/Neil

    Speed and Skill
    Ceci/SPEZZA TRADE-Kalrsson

    Keep Away
    Weircoich-Cowen

    Bone Crushers
    Borowecki-Gryba

    much needed retirement
    phillips.

    Lehner
    Anderson (wish it was bishop, we’d be set for life (there careers, rather)).

    • sens_bud

      I think 5.5 for mm9 is way to much. We offered Hemsky 3.3mil but were gonna throw away 5.5 at mm9. I don’t know about that one.

      • Mitchell

        Very good point, I forgot about that offer. Maybe something like 3.5 then. I was actually hoping he’d move on, but at 3.5 I suppose it won’t harm me any ahaha

    • Sandy

      I think Michalek comes in around 3.5-4M

    • Jakester

      Stone doesn ‘t make your team?

  • esk

    Just want to know what the general consensus is here..if you were Murray who would you want back if you had to pick one of these players? Shattenkirk (D), Shwartz (LW) or Taresenko (RW) and why? Who do you think he wants based on interviews and general need?

    • Frank

      I’d take Tarasenko. Watching him in the playoffs he showed amazing skill. His release is outstanding. It’s a toss-up between Shatty and Schwartz in my books

    • Phoenix

      I wouldn’t take any of them. Peitroangelo is the guy I would want in a 1 for 1 but it would never happen.

    • Brock

      Shattenkirk.

    • jtf927

      shattenkirk. we need the help on defense more than any offensive player.

    • sens_bud

      First: Shatty
      Second: Terry
      Third: Shwary

      I would rather Terry, but the team needs defence.

    • laffin681021

      I think I’d take Tarasenko. We have potential on our D. As many of us know defenseman may take a little while to develop. Let’s stick with our defense for now, see how it plays out the next year or two. If we get rid of Spezza we’re leaving a gaping hole so we need to get someone that’s a game breaker on forward and I think Tarasenko would fit quite well with our system. Now I don’t think we actually get tarasenko, I think it’s more realistic that we get Schwartz. That being said I’ll take Shattenkirk, Tarasenko, or Schwartz with open arms.

    • PraiseAlfie11

      Team needs defense. If cowan and pw46 lived up to expectations, we would have made the playoffs no problem.

      Hard to win when every game had 5 3 on 1 breakaways or more. Really loved the “Cowan specials” as well…totally blow coverage to make a meaningless hit.

      • Jakester

        He’s brutal, would be moving him too this summer, we’ll see maybe they Will!

        • not YOUR wingman

          could you give us your complete list of Ottawa players that you don’t like ?
          you could post it once a month and then go somewhere else for the other 30 days

        • Alfieformayor11

          I read somewhere that Karlsson has better Offensive AND Defensive stats when he is paired with Cowen.. including this past season…

          In fact, Karlsson’s numbers were the best when paired with Cowen, compared to any other D partners

    • ProfessorPower

      If I was BM I would trade with Anaheim because the have the best 21ish year old prospect pool in the league. Go after Big, Skilled, North American players that will add to our core.

      Out of those three I Pick Taresenko. Hes a beast, but I still think the Ducks are the better trading partners regardless.

    • Pasky

      I would say Schwartz but only because I think Tarasenko is more out of reach, and we are weak on the left side. Get Schwartz, resign Michalek and try and flip Greening for a prospect or pick to Chicago. Reason I turn down Shattenkirk right now is because apparently we are resigning Gryba which means we already have 8D counting Ceci, and unless someone gets traded I think unfortunately he might be starting in the A, similar to Zibanejad last year.

      CMac-Turris-Stone
      Schwartz-Zibanejad-Ryan
      Michalek-Smith-Lazar
      Hoffman-Pageau-Neil/Condra

      Methot-Karlsson
      Cowen-Weircioch
      Phillips-Gryba
      Borocop

    • Spoons

      1. Schwartz: Hard worker. Very coachable.
      2. Tarasenko: Tonnes of talent, things come easier to him. May get complacent because of that.
      3. Shatterkirk: We have a similar (yet less effective) D-man in Weircioch. Weircioch is 2 years younger, he just may have his breakout season this year.

    • Jakester

      People have to stop putting so much value on Shattenkirk. He’s ok nothing great there. Ceci has more upside, get some forwards Murray.

  • Frank

    For those saying a package like Berglund, Rattie/Jaskin and a 1st is crap, isn’t that very comparable to what the Sens sent to Anaheim for Bobby Ryan?

    Berglund = Silfverberg
    Rattie/Jaskin = Noeson
    1st = 1st

    • Sandy

      Silfverberg didn’t have a severe injury when he was traded.

      • sprucesens

        And was a 4 years younger top 6 potential forward that May or May not pan out. Berglund is 27? He’s pretty much at his peak now. Other teams can match and beat that offer easily

    • laffin681021

      I’ll admit I never really saw it that way. Good point. I guess I can lower my standards. Much rather have Schwartz and a 2nd though.

      • Frank

        Agreed but guys like Schwartz won’t be available. We can expect the above deal from St Louis and maybe these from other teams:

        Dallas:
        Roussel, Dillon, 1st (if we could get this, it would be my choice)

        Nashville:
        Smith, Aberg, 1st

        Anaheim:
        Cogliano, Etem, late 1st

        Tampa Bay
        Palat, Erne, 1st

        • Jakester

          Give me Connolly from Tampa. That’s my dream scenario.

        • Sandy

          He won’t go to Nashville..

          • Frank

            If BM tells him they made the best offer, I bet he’d go

    • Jakester

      Exactly.

    • jimmyjohnson

      No.

      At the time of the trade
      Silfverberg >> Berglund
      Noesen >> Rattie, Noesen = Jaskin
      (unknown) 1st > 21st overall.

      And more importantly,
      Spezza >>> Ryan
      (anyone who doubts that, doesn’t know what value is)

      Silfverberg was younger, with better upside, better pedigree, more years of team contol, under contract, no injury concerns.
      Rattie is not a good prospect. I hope he is nowhere near the deal.
      That 1st of ours could have been anything, was expected by most to be mid teens. It had more value.

      And Spezza is a center (who is great on faceoffs), with drastically better numbers, proven ability to lift the players around him, and doesn’t fade in the playoffs. He’s also massively better defensively than popular opinion.

      Our asset has more value.
      Our package had more value.
      These trades would be nothing alike.

  • zippy

    I just checked out Tarasenko on Hockeys Future. They rank him 8.5.

    Potential Better than Spezza. Not as good as Eric Staal or Kovalchuk.

    I haven’t seen better than 8 since Spezza or Crosby or Karlsson.

    This kids got the goods according to them. And their analysis said he has a killer shot with a wicked release. If BM gets a chance … snag him!!

    • zippy

      Wondering if it’s worth dropping the #1 pick for him…maybe settling for him and a high prospect.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Ive been saying it for weeks…he is one of a very few I would take straight up

        • Sandy

          He has 1 year left on his contract on his ELC.
          My concern is the raise he will want and if Melnyk will pay the money to keep him.
          If the money isn’t there, he can skip back to the KHL where his dad coaches.

          • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

            No doubt…but as long as Melnyk is coach money will be an issue with anyone. Does that mean that there should be no effort into getting top notch skilled players?

          • Sandy

            Top notch skilled players are not an issue unless it’s the threat of the KHL for the European ones especially Russians.

          • zippy

            Well if they all play a 200 ft game….we can only hope Melnyk will dig a little deeper.

        • zippy

          Yeah I know. I just didn’t know how good he was. You’re 100% right.

  • ProfessorPower

    I Still want a guy who has won something. If we manage to get Taresenko adding a guy like Penner for 3 mil might be better than adding MIlo for 4. A line up similar to this has the potential to make the playoffs and more.

    Macarthur-Turris-Ryan
    Taresenko-Zibby-Stone
    Hoffman-Lazar-Penner
    Greening-Smith-Neil

    • Jakester

      Holy crap Penner are you serious. He’s terrible, soft like a marshmallow.

      • peetypuck

        Softer than a pancake.

  • BeJamin

    It’s very obvious at this point, Ottawa isn’t dealing from a position of strength. The whole Flames rumour, how much the media has been used to talk about it. All the hoopla about two serious offers on the table. Murray is telling people to up their stakes. And it’s not happening. The Russian Tank is a pipe dream. He was also a monster for them in the playoffs this year. If the GM in St.Louis gave him up just for 1-year of Spezza he should be fired on the spot. And we all know it.

    Berglund + is realistic. And it’s not great for us. The best offer we’re going to get probably comes from Toronto or Tampa. It will depend on whether Murray is brave enough to pull the trigger. I’m at the point where I just want it over with. I’m not even sure any more that they’ll be able to deal him by the draft. We all know Murray likes to get his work done early. If the offers aren’t there yet… chances are you have teams waiting around to try their luck at Stastny or Brad Richards. Those guys are free.

    • Jakester

      Spezza will be gone by the draft. Murray will say, well that was the best we could do.

      • jimmyjohnson

        While I agree that that’s likely, Murray made it pretty clear that he’s at least toying with the idea of waiting.

    • Sandy

      St Louis should realize they are the prime location that Spezza wants to go to and they will have no trouble re-signing him.
      Like him or not, they are getting a 1st line centre who with capable wingers will have a very good season.
      Offering 3rd line players and low draft picks isn’t what I call a fair trade. Especially when that 3rd line player has a severe injury.

      What an insult.

    • Sandy

      Brad Richards? I think he would be low on the list if teams want top 6 centres. He can’t skate anymore.

      Stastny may not leave Colorado. I really don’t know why he would. A young team with a lot of potential superstars with a long window to succeed. IMO he would be stupid to leave but that’s just me.

    • jimmyjohnson

      I love comments like this. What makes it obvious? The only way you can claim “obvious” is if you are overhearing the back and forth between GMs.

      Let me make this clear: you have no idea what is obvious. None of us do. Assuming as much is so full of problems, I can’t even begin to describe them all.

      • BeJamin

        Obvious to anyone with even the slightest bit of a hockey IQ. Just watch and see.

        • peetypuck

          Murray certainly isn’t dealing from a position of weakness either.
          Stastny and Thornton are not likely going anywhere and Brad Richards is practically all washed up. That only leaves Spezza and Kesler with a number of teams coveting either one of them. Teams will only start making serious offers this week with five days left until draft day. By Thursday and Friday talks will start getting frenzied.

          • jimmyjohnson

            The only center on the market that doesn’t 100% choose his destination is Spezza.

            If you read between the lines of what STL GM Armstrong said, he’s been rebuffed in his attempt at Thornton and Kesler. All outside reports confirm this is probable.

            So that leaves his with a yet to be UFA, with less game changing ability and no record of improving linemate performance, who has made no overtures to being interested in playing for their team,…. and Spezza.

            Anyone who thinks it’s obvious that we won’t get an acceptable return is just riding the emotional rollercoaster of rumourville.

          • peetypuck

            ANA and STL both need an upgrade at #2 centre. If one team gets one the other will need to do the same to keep up. Their windows of opportunity are open now. I expect they will be more inclined to give up a good prospect or two rather than subtract from their rosters.

          • zippy

            But that won’t cut it. Murray needs a roster player. They can be “more inclined” all they want. The fact remains, Spezza is here now, and it’ll take more than a prospect or two to get him.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Anaheim is pretty much all prospects and fledgling NHLers.

            St. Louis has no prospects (other than Allen and Jaskin).

            In either case, they have to give up at least one roster player.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I’ll take Ryan Kesler and the 2014 NHL offseason for 100, Alex.

            And your clue is:

            St. Louis
            Dallas
            Nashville
            New York

            Buzzzzz

            What are “teams that are not (and have never been) on his approved list of teams”?

        • jimmyjohnson

          That’s one of the most asinine comments I’ve ever seen.

  • BeJamin

    We’d all love to get Taresenko… it’s a fantasy. If you were St.Louis would you give him up? Or would a far superior option being throwing some money at Richards or a weaker deal at Kadri out of Toronto? He’s just too good a player. It doesn’t make sense.

    • Deadly

      Bottom line,if their power play produced better in the playoffs they would of advanced. Which player makes that difference and which player increases their depth?

      • Harv

        have

        • SENSsmile

          Indeed! This is worth repeating and explaining:”would have”, not “would of..”; “could have”, not “could of”; “should have”, not should of.”

          Now back to hockey… :-)

          • peetypuck

            He’s using a colloquialism.
            I have a bigger problem with the large number of Canadians trashing the English language with incorrect foreign (American) spelling.

          • SENSsmile

            Not to belabour too much on grammar, “would of” is not a colloquialism, but a grammatical error.

            A colloquial expression can use contractions of two correct words, such as “I’m” (I am), “you’re (you are), “he’s” (he is) etc.

            In the case of “would have”, the correct colloquial contraction is “would’ve.” While “would of” SOUNDS the same, it’s still incorrect to WRITE it that way.

            Cheers!

      • zippy

        Totally agree. STL louis is behind 5 other teams now. PP is huge in the playoffs.

        Spezza can make their PP sizzle. Ideally they’d like Spezza AND Tarasenko…but you gotta give to get.

        When the rubber hits the road…do you want a winger who needs a C to score (Tarasenko), or do you want a C (Spezza) feeding Oshie and Co without Tarasenko.

    • Pasky

      If I’m St-Louis, Tarasenko is a non starter but if need be Schwartz would be the piece I send in a 1 for 1 trade. He has good upside but won’t be as big a piece in the future as Tarasenko.

      • FistsofNeil25

        If I’m St Louis I send Oshie packing long before Schwartz or Tarasenko.

  • Voice Of Reason

    This summer could see the biggest roster shake-up since the 2010-11 season. No one is talking about this as a rebuilding or even a re-tooling year yet it may very well be depending on what transpires in the next week or so.

    Lets take a look at what our current roster looks like. I’ve flagged with an asterisk the players who I feel should be traded as well as marked the positions that are currently or will be vacant by July 1st.

    MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
    VACANT – VACANT – VACANT
    Hoffman – Zibanejad – Stone/Neil
    *Greening – Smith – *Condra

    Methot – Karlsson
    Weircioch – Ceci
    Phillips – Cowen
    *Gryba – Borocop

    Lehner – *Anderson

    As you can see, I feel that there should be no less than 7 new faces in the line-up next season. Now the biggest unknown is what are we going to get in return for Spezza. By all account, it looks like it will be with STL. I can’t see the biggest piece coming back being Berglund now that he’s had shoulder surgery. His value has dropped significantly IMO but he could still be part of the deal, just not the main piece. I can’t see Schwartz being dealt either so here’s what I think the trade could involve.

    STL gets: Spezza / Cowen / Anderson
    OTT gets: Shattenkirk / Berglund / 1st

    Other moves I would make:
    - Re-sign Michalek @ 3.5M.
    - Trade Condra for Versteeg @ 2.2M.
    - Trade Greening for 3rd round pick saving 2.65M.
    - UFA signing: Devin Setoguchi @ 2.75M.
    - UFA signing: Jerome Iginla @ 6M.
    - UFA signing: Al Montoya @ 0.825M

    Finally, here’s what our roster could look like with a cap hit of 59.4M.

    MacArthur – Turris – Ryan
    Iginla – Zibanejad – Michalek
    Hoffman – Berglund – Stone
    Setoguchi – Smith – Versteeg

    Methot – Karlsson
    Shattenkirk – Ceci
    Weircioch – Phillips
    Gryba – Borocop

    Lehner – Montoya

    Salary cap is higher than the targeted floor but not unmanageable. I think the acquisition are quite doable but would Iginla sign here and is the trade with STL feasible? So would this roster be a big improvement or is it just a pipe dream?

    • Sandy

      Iginla is not coming to Ottawa. He would want a contender. Will probably stay in Boston.

      • Voice Of Reason

        It was reported that BOS went over the cap by several millions last season and that amount is to be deducted from their cap this upcoming season. They probably won’t be able to sign him unless he re-signs at a discount. You are right though, probably a hard sell to get him to come to OTT.

        • ProfessorPower

          If we could get Etem + DSP from Spezza and then sign Iginla I would be amazed.
          Mac-Turris-Ryan
          Etem-Zibby-Iginla
          DSP-Lazar-Stone

        • Sandy

          It was his bonus. Detroit has the same thing to deal with because of the Alfie contract.
          Bos certainly has decisions to make but Iginla will go somewhere where he can win and that’s not Ottawa right now.

    • zippy

      I would not take Iginla because he doesn’t want to play here.

      I would put Setoguchi on the Zibby line. Not sure about the Smith line. Maybe Brian Boyle with Smith. They play similar styles already.

      • Voice Of Reason

        Boyle would definitely be a nice addition. I would assumed that if we were able to sign Iginla it was because he wants to be here as opposed to any other team he could sign with.

        • peetypuck

          Boyle finds an extra gear when the playoffs come around. He’d be a good acquisition for the Sens.

      • Andrews theory

        Pass on Seto

  • jtf927

    i would not want a package where berglund is the centrepiece. i would want the centrepiece to be shatty + propsect + pick. i would either want schwartz or tarasenko as the forward coming back our way.

    • not YOUR wingman

      I would want Sidney Crosby, the clone of Bobby Orr and $500,000,000
      to get Eugene Pinchpenny out of debt.

      That ain’t gonna happen either

    • SpezzaFan19.

      Murray should get Andrew Ladd.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        Spezza fan!!!!!!!! Where have you been hombre !!!

        • Sensturion

          Pretty sure that’s an imposter.

          • I’m just sayin’

            Yeah – the period at the end of the name gives it away
            I laughed anyway – so many SF19 types of posts these days

      • Andrews theory

        Don’t forget Eric Cole

  • BigDaddy

    I think Murray’s strategy is working. The bidding war seems to be heating up. People coming up with these trade predictions based on the Ryan deal are grossly underestimating Silfverberg’s value at the time. The man was one of the top ranked prospects in the NHL. He had torn up the Swedish elite league and won the MVP. Pretty sure the last player to do that at his age was Peter Forsberg. The majority of people thought he was a top six sniper for years to come with a very high ceiling. Enough of these b level prospects or unexciting 3rd liners. If St. Louis calls the conversation starts with the Tank or Schwartz. If Anahiem calls is starts with DVP and Lindholm. These teams desperately need to capitalize on a window they have to win the cup. Especially Anahiem who have Getzlaf and Perry in their prime. You have to give to get and it’s time for these teams to stop playing NH14 and trying to fleece a team’s star by stringing together multiple picks and other garbage. I am heading out to the bar Friday night with my new Karly heritage jersey. When the trade is announced I will be chirping the shit out of all the trolling leafs fans I have had to listen since this Spezza thing started. Oh and if the Leafs call it starts with Kadri and JVR because fuck em, that’s why. They paid enough for one nut they need to win in his prime too.

    • Sandy

      Good post and agree.

      These teams can’t expect to get a skilled #1 centre for peanuts.

    • jimmyjohnson

      JVR, Reilly, 2014 1st

      or

      gtfo.

      Good post. I’m glad more people feel this way.

  • peetypuck

    Only five more days to Draft Day.
    Will the Sens get a top ten draft pick?

    • zippy

      If we get Tarasenko, don’t count on it. Anyone else, probably at least a 2014 1st. Hopefully a 2015 1st.

      • peetypuck

        Yeah, Tarasenko would probably be a one for one trade but don’t count on STL to subtract him from their roster.

        • zippy

          My gut is telling me BM is saying Tarasenko 1 for 1 and a high prospect, or his original ask (Player, prospect, #1)

  • A-Train

    I’m back at the bottom of my Spezza trade mood swing. Someone cheer me up….

    • jimmyjohnson

      go see my reply to peety puck a little ways down the page.

      We aren’t in a bad spot in this trade. Just watch.

    • WaitingSince92

      We still have Karlsson.

      That work?

  • jimmyjohnson

    IMO

    Spezza for Berglund, Rattie, 21st

    =

    Heatley for Michalek, Cheechoo, 2nd

    We should all be very very angry if this is what we get.

    • Pasky

      Michalek>Berglund
      Rattie>Cheechoo
      1st>2nd

      Although this package won’t surprise me, we better get Jaskin instead of Rattie since Murray has said that he’s looking for size and skill up front.

      • jimmyjohnson

        And as you imply, overall the package is pretty much equal (I would argue that a second in the 2010 draft is pretty equal to the 21st this year).

        The biggest difference here is the circumstances under which we’re trading this asset, and the number of factors limiting the return.

        In no way should this supposed “best package” be expected. We would categorically lose that trade in every possible way.

        • Pasky

          Not disagreeing with you, just pointing out that it’s a better trade than the Heatley one, and that trade wasn’t that bad for us in the long run.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I think that trade has been horrendous for us.
            This teams insistence to force Spezza and Michalek together has been possibly the most detrimental to its success of any self-inflicted wound. Those 2 never had any chemistry and it could be argued that we’re about to lose our number 1 center because of it.

          • jimmyjohnson

            It’s only marginally better, and we’re in a drastically better position on this trade. That type of return should be viewed as a failure.

      • jimmyjohnson

        back to that 2010 draft class, take a look at the second round. Half the players we want in return for Spezza were drafted in that round… If they are the centerpiece of a deal, we lose.

        • Pasky

          Yea and we traded that pick for Andy Sutton #facepalm

          • jimmyjohnson

            We’ll always have the memories of those 3-4 big hits he threw though

          • I’m just sayin’

            and on of the BEST interview quotes ever

  • Andrews theory

    One thing is certain in my mind.

    Murray needs to ensure the pieces coming back are on the rise and not the decline like with the Heatley fiasco.

    I’d rather all picks over declining NHL players or third liners

    • WaitingSince92

      Easy to “foresee” Michalek’s decline in hindsight.

      • Tcharger – #TheFansFault

        I remember tonnes not being happy with the deal at the time.. Everyone says hindsight is easy. But some people expected it.

  • FistsofNeil25

    I hope Murray doesn’t rush to pull the trigger on a deal with St Louis. They may have the best deal on the table right now, even if it is Berglund+Rattie/Jaskin+1st. I think other teams will be able to beat that offer once another domino falls. Teams like Chicago and Anaheim probably covet Kesler the most right now, but if one or both of those teams strike out to acquire him, I expect those teams to make a harder push for Spezza.

    Let’s not settle on an average return from St Louis before we know what the strongest offers are from other teams. That might take some time and it very well may not be before or at the draft.

    • Millennium

      I doubt it would ever happen, but recently I’ve been more amenable to the idea of keeping Spezza until the deadline. If offers just aren’t there right now, use him to help us get into contention maybe, then let teams who are desperate pay what was paid for Vanek last season.

      • jimmyjohnson

        Collberg and a 2nd?

        No thanks.

        Deadline deals are garbage. They have never returned good assets.

        • Millennium

          I meant the first one (admittedly not a deadline deal). Molson, a 1st, and a 2nd.

          We can move him any time throughout the season, so a deal could arise early on if a team decides they need to make a move.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I don’t think I’m comfortable taking on a UFA mid season. Waiting passed the draft is one thing. Waiting until mid-season just seems like a bad call.

      • WaitingSince92

        If you don’t like the offers now, why would you wait until the deadline?

        The only good thing coming out of a Spezza deadline deal would likely be a conditional pick (something like a 2nd rounder, but a 1st if he resigns). Tough to get excited about THAT as a Spezza return…

    • Sandy

      I just can’t see Vanc trading Kesler to Chicago or Anaheim.
      He will go East like Spezza goes west UNLESS teams in the West for Vanc and in the East for the Sens come up with unbelievable offers.
      My dream for Spezza + Cowen to Florida for their #1 pick, Gudbranson and another prospect. But that is a dream, won’t happen.
      My wish is for Phoenix – Vermette, Henrik Samuelsson and their 12th overall this draft for Spezza.

      • jimmyjohnson

        That’s a terrible deal (PHX).

        Kesler apparently will only go to CHI and PIT, so VAN doesn’t really have many options. He could be a pre-season hold-out. We’ll see.

        • peetypuck

          Kesler has not scored more than 49 points since 2010-11. This year hear he had 43 points and last year only 17.

          • jimmyjohnson

            Hasn’t really had anyone to play with in those years.

            Still, none of that changes the fact that he is a bonafide top-6 talent that is a ***** to play against. Teams would pay a lot to get him, if he didn’t have a full nmc.

          • peetypuck

            Have you heard of any big offers for Kesler yet? How much longer can he keep playing the way he does? Spezza is a bonafide #1 centre while Kesler is a #2 with a career average 0.60 PPG.

          • jimmyjohnson

            I read some ridiculous post by jaekel on hockeybuzz that speculated Sharp or Tereveinen going the other way. I thinks thats crazy, but there’s one example.

            I don’t really know what we’re arguing though. I never said anything about Spezza in relation to Kesler, other than the fact Kesler’s availability won’t affect the return on Spezza…

            I don’t really care what Kesler’s value is.

          • peetypuck

            We aren’t arguing. I thought we were just discussing Spezza vs Kesler

          • jimmyjohnson

            I don’t know, you kind of created that discussion out of thin air. I didn’t ever broach the subject.

        • Sandy

          Vermette has improved since he left Ottawa. He can play centre or wing and is a good 200 ft player with speed who is good on the PK on which the Sens need a lot of help as they sucked on special teams last season.
          Henrik Samuelsson is a really good prospect and a teammate of Lazar.
          The 12th overall pick this draft is better than what the Sens have now.

          • jimmyjohnson

            This draft is crazy weak and shallow. Anything outside the top-8 is marginal. 12th is fine but I hardly consider it a deal maker.

            Samuelsson is ok and will play in the league. Prospects like him are very much a dime a dozen. We’ll see if he ever has an impact.

            Vermette hasn’t improved enough to be the centerpiece of a deal for Spezza, least of all someone’s preferred deal.

  • jimmyjohnson

    I’ve said this down below and I’ll say it again:

    Of the teams rumoured to be looking for a high profile center, the only two available to all of them are Spezza and Stastny.

    Thornton has full control and apparently won’t waive.

    Kesler is now apparently down to just 2 teams.

    Stastny isn’t even available yet and 97% of teams interested will lose out on him.

    And then there’s Spezza, who is arguably available to all of them (Nashville being the one uncertain).

    What exactly is limiting his trade value, again?

    • Pasky

      I think Thorton might waive to go to Rangers, and that’s a deal that can work for both teams. And I agree with Kesler, I know that Chicago was team team he wanted to go to but I forget who the 2nd one was. If Stastny resigns in Colorado, which I fully expect, then they might try and trade ROR if they don’t get him resigned before the arbitration meeting. But even if that’s the case Spezza will be long gone by then.

      I can see Richards going to one of Anaheim or Tampa if they don’t land Spezza. I don’t mind Berglund either but I think Spezza is worth more than having him as the main piece.

      I’m just looking forward to it being done now. I read from Cup06 that the Spezza deal will happen on Thrusday or Friday so only 5 more days of speculation left thankfully.

      • sprucesens

        I think Pitts is the other team for kesler

      • Sandy

        Thornton doesn’t want to leave SJ.

        • I’m just sayin’

          yeah – didn’t just sign a sweet for SJ 3 year home discount deal with a no trade contract ?

          I suppose he’d move for more money or a longer contract.

      • Sandy

        Who is this Cup06 (other than a commenter on HB) and why do you think he’s a legitimate source, or is it the someone who knows someone who knows someone.

        • Pasky

          The last one you mentioned but he has been right about quite a few things in the past. There was Alfie to Detroit as well as Canadian Tire Center being the new name to the arena.

      • I’m just sayin’

        “5 more days of speculation”
        … to be followed by 3 months of backbiting from those
        who don’t like the deal – WHATEVER it is

    • A-Train

      That’s all true. But there is a factor limiting his value, and that’s the situation of the team rumoured to be the front-runner.

      The Blues are looking to add top-line talent. So yes they’d love to have Jason Spezza. But giving us back one of their top young wingers makes no sense. It’s one step forward, one step back. Plus they’d be giving away years of good production at a reasonable price from Schwartz or Tarasenko.

      • peetypuck

        That would probably go for any of the top contending teams. That’s why I propose the Sens best deal will more likely be a couple of good prospects and draft pick.

      • jimmyjohnson

        Spezza makes the Blues “Anaheim with Kesler,” only with a better and more veteran D-corp.

        If giving up a prime asset is the requirement for becoming a true contender, they shouldn’t hesitate. Armstrong knows this.

      • sprucesens

        while that seems like it makes sense, if one of tarasenko or shwartz is the main piece, they probably feel rattie or jaskin can step in and produce similarly or at least enough to fill the void, while still gaining spezza. Similar to how we traded silf to get ryan, then let stone step in. In fact, its almost an identical situation if they were to do that

    • FistsofNeil25

      Leverage – The Sens don’t have any.

      Teams likely won’t give up their best young players for Spezza when they know he’s going to unrestricted free agency and has no desire to return to Ottawa after next season. We have to trade him or lose him for nothing.

      We can play other teams against each other in trade negotiations, but there aren’t enough teams seriously interested in him, and the ones that do have serious interest also have other options.

      St Louis for example doesn’t have a very good prospect pool. Other their good prospects from the last few seasons are now in the NHL starting to break out. Is adding Spezza to their roster worth subtracting Schwartz or Tarasenko? These guys are young studs with many productive years ahead of them and they play the game the St Louis way. Why create one hole on their roster just to fill another?

      Anaheim has more to offer without creating holes in the line up or organization, but all signs indicate that Kesler is their plan A.

      • Sandy

        So teams that need an offensively skilled #1 centre want to give back 3rd line players and prospects.
        For St Louis to beat Chicago, Anaheim and even a chance at LA need to upgrade at centre.
        Now unless they get Stastny, their only other option is Spezza. It’s very hard to draft a #1 centre as they don’t come up in the draft very often and you have to tank to get one.
        If St Louis doesn’t want to give up 1 top 6 player for Spezza, then he will go to a conference competitor for St Louis.

      • jimmyjohnson

        How do the Sens not have leverage?

        They a) don’t have to trade him, b) have 20 teams they can trade him to, and c) have an asset that other teams want.

        You can’t trade top line players with much more leverage than that!

      • Andrews theory

        St Louis window to win is now though.

        They’ve been bounced early twice and their competition isn’t about to get any weaker with Dallas improving, Chicago likely improving, Anaheim improving and LA staying status quo.

        You only have 6 players in your top 6 and none of those guys are a legit first line center that will keep the other team on their toes.

  • Kumar

    Kesler wants to be in Flyers or Penguins. San Jose will love to move big Joe, if possible; Colorado will ink Stastny, since they have enough cap room. This leave Jason Spezza a huge commodity for many teams not just St. Louis or Anaheim.

  • Sandy

    Steve Lloyd @TSNSteveLloyd · 37m

    RT @L_A_theRiver: Thornton’s agent : “Sharks are the only team on Joe’s list”. http://bit.ly/1qCt4MY (Fre) #SJSharks

    • Kumar

      Exactly Sandy. He is not simply jet out of the team; also, he has to think about his family and the team that has a sure shot in winning the cup. His best bet will be Chicago, but they have cap issues. The other team would be LA and they are in the same boat too.
      Also, it is highly unlikely San Jose will want to move big Joe to those teams, unless a trade is absolutely a steal. San Jose want be trading from a strong point hold too.
      San Jose before talking to any team they need to get Joe blessings too.

    • peetypuck

      So Joe isn’t going anywhere, Stastny will likely re-sign with Colorado, Kesler only wants to go to CHI or PITTS. That only leaves Spezza for STL and ANA to fight over.

      • ProfessorPower

        When did Kesler narrow his list to Chi and Pitts? thats great news

        • sprucesens

          i think it was like only 6 teams that he COULD be traded to, and of those only a couple were interested i think

        • peetypuck

          It’s been mentioned a couple of times further down today.

      • sprucesens

        and tampa nashville and anyone else interested. Sounds like if a deal came along that murray liked, spezza would consider it. Don’t have the link to the tweet’s about it, but they said talk to the agent if a deal would be accepted by one of the 10 teams

        • Phoenix

          Murray indicated this in his interview with the Team after the presser that Spezza would be open to other options depending on how negotiations were going with various teams. He wants to whats best for him and the team.

  • I’m just sayin’

    Belgium – 1 and Rooskies – zero

    Somewhere Uncle Eugene just ordered another round

  • Sandy

    Impressive:

    The 6th Sens @6thSens · 39m

    Unreal addition by @ExtraSkater: Curtis Lazar finished T-4th in entire CHL in 2013/14 with 31 even strength goals. http://www.extraskater.com/chl/players?sort=goals_ev

  • Kumar

    Will Eugene be okay with Tarasenko ???? I doubt. The hatred is so deep and I doubt Ottawa will be going after him.
    Could be Schwartz or Shattenkirk or Steen might be on play.

    • Sandy

      No way Steen will be in play.
      I’m sure St Louis plan was to deal Berglund, but with that severe shoulder injury that’s no longer an option.
      IF Dallas and Anaheim up their offer, then St Louis has to as well.
      St Louis can’t afford to let Dallas, a divisional opponent, get Spezza.

      • Kumar

        Sandy, Anaheim what players do you have in mind ?
        Similarly, if Dallas, who do think will be in play?

        • Sandy

          Anaheim would be DSP and the Sens 10th overall + a prospect.. don’t know which one other than Etem but I doubt you get both of those.
          Dallas I guess Chiasson, prospect B Ritchie and their 1st in 2014 draft which is at 14th.

          • Kumar

            If it is Dallas, it has to Eakins and Chiasson because Bryam will look land a two quality retruns. Obviously we could add Prince part the deal too.
            Anaheim needs to add Etem and DSP, if not the deal won’t be done. Bryan has said that he will allow the team to discuss with Spezza camp, if a deal is complete. I believe Etem, DSP and a prospect for Spezza, Prince and may be a late pick in 2015.

            I still believe St. Louis deal will be the best for Ottawa, since we can get a sure top 6. All what we are getting from Anaheim is based on play-off run. We are not they will become stud or dud.

    • sprucesens

      i don’t think its eugene’s call. He might set the budget, but i think he’s realized it’s best to let murray do what he feels is necessary within the budget. I’d say tarasenko, shwartz and shattenkirk are the prime targets. I’d think the first 2 are more likely, because murray has said he wants a top 6, not a D. They have enough D as is, and can likely trade elsewhere in a 2 for 1 or something. Someone like philly might be interested in this option, or even boston. Teams that want some decent young D while getting cap relief. Oilers also need some D depth, but don’t have much to give back, maybe a pick.

      Another thing to remember, dallas just last year traded ericsson(sp?) for seguin, with a couple other minor pieces moving. Spezza is a way larger name and point getter than ericsson is. And seguin was considered a 1st overall pick, and has done nothing but produce. Obviously contracts differ and situations, but its essentially a B level star for a A+ prospect/young player. A deal including shwartz or tarasenko would be an A level star in spezza(toews, crosby being considered A+) for an A+ prospect/young player. Which means we might even be able to get a decent pick if we add in a small piece. Say Spezza + Prince for Shwartz + 1st? or something along those lines. We are certainly getting something better than berglund back, which doesn’t even sound like an option anymore. He might just be an extra throw in, to put it over the top

      • Kumar

        Honestly BM should look for the best player. Not top 4 or top 6. For example, Shattenkirk will immediately elevate our Defense to a different scale.
        We could easily move Spezza, Prince and (Cowen or Wiercioch) for Shattenkirk, top pick, Parjaavi and a prospect.

  • Andrews theory

    I don’t understand the fit with Kessler and Pitts

    Is he really going to be a third line center or would they waste one of them on the wing?

    • sprucesens

      I don’t know why it’s a waste? It’s like forming a pp line. We have no problem moving lazar, Zib and maybe others to wing if it means more ice time with a more scoring role

  • PaulMacLeansDuster

    Concerning Spezza’s 10 team list – He had to give a list of 10 teams so he chose 10 teams. I think the only teams he probably doesn’t want to go to are the Canadian teams. I’m sure he could be convinced to go to Nashville, Columbus (who have improved a lot since he gave his list) or even Florida (I think they will be turning the corner soon with Tallon as their GM and really, who wouldn’t want to play in Florida if they are showing improvement).

    • Sandy

      I would like a Florida trade if you could send Spezza & Cowen for Gudbranson and the first overall. Draft Ekblad and within a few hours the Sens would have re-built their defense which could turn out to be one of the best out there in a couple of seasons.
      Karlsson – Gudbranson
      Methot – Ekblad
      Ceci/Wiercioch/Gryba/Phillips/Boro
      Obviously 3 of the bottom ones would have to be gone.

      Oh to dream.

      • Jakester

        I get Gudbranson and would then draft Sam Reinhart. Forget Ekblad.

        • Sandy

          Then trade down as the first team will probably take the D.

        • sprucesens

          if that was the case, flip the first to the oilers, get an extra asset, and take whoever’s left of bennet, reinhart and ekblad

      • sprucesens

        florida makes interesting ideas for trades. I’d almost sooner draft a forward as we would end up having a ton of money tied up in D, which leads to less fun and winning hockey clubs, similar to nashville. But it certainly wouldn’t be a bad problem to have. Bennett, ekblad, or reinhart could all be interesting pieces if we went that route, doesn’t sound like there is much interest any more though. But who knows, maybe they are one of the 2 serious teams. I would think they just draft 1st overall

      • Phoenix

        I’d go with Huberdeau and the 1st. Then draft Ekblad.

    • sprucesens

      i agree, and thinks that’s why he might be open to it. Even the canadian teams might not be a huge deal, but he might only play out the remainder of his contract if that were the case, and not his ideal choice, as he’d probably rather go somewhere and stay there

      • Kumar

        I don’t mind Bjugstad, top pick and a prospect for Spezza and Cowen.

  • Sandy

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/schedulebyseason.htm?team=OTT

    New schedule.

    Looks like a pretty tough start. They need to go at least .500 through the first 10 games.

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