Another Soul Crushing Loss in Alberta- Recap

SensChirp March 6, 2014 385
Another Soul Crushing Loss in Alberta- Recap

-If you lose back to back games in Alberta, you really don’t deserve to make the playoffs. A night after a disappointing loss in Edmonton, the Senators were just as bad against the lowly Calgary Flames.  These two losses all but extinguish the team’s playoff chances with 19 games left in the season.  Sports Club Stats now puts Ottawa at just 7.6%.  It would take some kind of magical run for Ottawa to make it at this point.

-Twitter was abuzz yesterday with fans questioning Head Coach Paul MacLean.  And with good reason.  Turris, Ryan and MacArthur all saw extremely limited ice time while the trio of Greening-Smith-Neil remained a favourite of the Coach.  I have said it all along but it’s important to remember that more goes into a Coach’s decision than what we see during games.  That fact is the only thing that is keeping me from thinking Paul MacLean has gone completely insane.  All season it feels like Mac is in some sort of power struggle with the team’s best players.  Would be nice to know why.

-A wild deadline day in the books and the end result was Ales Hemsky joining the Ottawa Senators.  It’s a good low risk move that really didn’t cost Ottawa a whole lot.  The Sens and Sabres did talk about Matt Moulson at some point but in the end, Tim Murray’s asking price was too high.  Hemsky made more sense anyway because Murray and the Senators feel like they have a decent shot at retaining him beyond the 20 game audition.  We shall see.

-Individually, each of the moves made by the Senators yesterday is justifiable.  But when you look at the whole picture, it stinks of the familiar “money in/money out” approach.  In the weeks leading up to the deadline we heard about how the Sens were ready to buy and that they had the go ahead from Eugene Melnyk to add salary if need be.  In the end, they gave up Conacher for nothing, loaned Corvo to another organization and got the Oilers to take on half of Hemsky’s salary.  Certainly seems like the internal budget was a factor in Murray’s decisions yesterday.

-Thanks to everyone that made SensChirp your Trade Deadline hang out.  It was an exciting day around these parts with some record traffic and comment numbers.  Combined with the Game Day discussion, the thread got up over 1500 comments.  Pretty incredible.  Although I should apologize to all your employers for your ridiculously low productivity yesterday.

  • CrazyFish

    Have to think Mac will be on the way out if this continues, the player-coach relationship must be incredibly strained at this point, if he can’t even put Turris line on the ice. It makes no sense to keep playing Smith so much, they play alright defensively but they don’t generate any offense.

    This season just keeps getting more painful to watch.

    • MB

      Sure, Jason Spezza deserves his 7th NHL coach in 10 NHL seasons, why not? Only record he will have when his career is done is most NHL coaches with one team.

      • CrazyFish

        Well you can’t fire the whole team, there is a problem between the coach and the players, it’s pretty obvious now. The Turris line was producing then they keep getting split up and put back together, you can tell the players are getting frustrated at all the line juggling and that’s all up to the coach.

        • MB

          No question there is a disconnect, problem is after a season or two (sometimes not even that long) there’s always a disconnect. There’s been 1 consistent with a player who is next to impossible to coach his entire career from Jr to Ottawa and also the international stage. There’s a reason Spezza doesn’t get a sniff when it comes to Team Canada.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Well you may be correct but let’s face it, Spezz is not the guy here. It’s been BR complaining about moving lines around every 10 minutes and the infamous “I must have kicked Mac’s dog or something” when asked about his ice time. There was or is the riff between PM and Mathot with his being scratched with a boo boo. Not the big Spezza fan like some but no way he should be getting shit on for Mac having a disconnect with 2 of his top players.

          • Jacques

            I agree dude!

      • BFR

        Yeah, Spezza’s responsible for minimizing Ryan, Turris, McA’s TOI.

        • MB

          True or not, Spezza has had 6 coaches in 10 years while in Ottawa? There will be a new captain before there is a new coach.

          • BFR

            So you are blaming Clouston, Hartsburg, and Paddock on Spezz? Do you see any of them being a head coach anywhere in the NHL?

          • MB

            Just stating fact. You could even say Ottawa has killed the careers of many coaches with 1 player being very tough to coach through his entire career. Between Jr and the NHL Spezza has had I believe 10 or 11 different coaches. If you or anyone else want to believe that is just some weird, random, and unexplainable event then that’s fine. I’m just stating what is a fact at this point and that teams with Jason Spezza on them, the coaches don’t last very long.

          • BFR

            Seeing as he played on 4 different OHL teams, and 50% of his NHL coaches were scrubs, your point is irrelevant.

          • MB

            It truly isn’t. In professional sports Jason Spezza is what many people call a “coach killer”. I will explain what a coach killer is if you would like me to or does the term speak for itself?

            There’s also a reason he was bounced around the OHL and while being bounced around and wasn’t part of a single championship team. Nor has he been part of a championship team in the AHL or NHL. Once again this is a trend.

            As for you calling the coaches Spezza has had “scrubs” that’s your opinion and doesn’t change the fact Spezza has had 6 coaches at the NHL level in Ottawa.

            Does anyone know what the record is for most coaches a single player has had for 1 franchise in NHL history?

          • Joe

            If you’re going to criticize Spezza for being a “coach killer”, maybe you should put down Phillips and Neil. What a load of garbage.

          • MB

            6 coaches in 18 years for Phillips, 1 for his first 8. Ever since Spezza came into the NHL it’s been a revolving door of coaches, he averages more than 1 coach every 2 seasons. Again, just stating fact.

            Fact: Spezza has never been part of a Championship team at the CHL, AHL, NHL, or international level.

            Fact: Spezza has had 6 coaches in 10 seasons in Ottawa

            Opinion: Spezza is the main problem in Ottawa and needs to be moved.

          • BFR

            Wrong. 2012 Davos.

          • Jacques

            Oh dude! Don’t go there! A loaded Nhl team against Europen scrubs!

          • CUP 2014-15

            why not? it just proves that no championships at the international level is wrong.

          • MB

            I should have made clear what I was saying and that’s my fault. If people want to count the Spangler Cup as an international tournament (when it’s a European tournament) then sure. My mistake there.

          • MB

            If you want to use a team stacked with NHLers in a lockout season vs European teams in a 3rd rate tournament go right ahead but the Spangler Cup isn’t exactly something NA brag about winning when their careers are done short of it being the highlight of it.

          • BFR

            You’re aware there were NHLers playing on HC Davos right?

          • MB

            It’s a European tournament, not international. It would be like saying a North American championship is International. No players who are playing in Asia, NA, SA, Australia or anywhere but Europe play in that tournament. “Team Canada” is made up of players playing in Europe. The Spengler Cup is NOT an international tournament.

            But yes, Spezza was part of that team. Highlight of his career sadly.

          • BFR

            I wasn’t aware Canada was part of Europe.

          • MB

            All players in that tournament are playing on European teams. Team Canada puts together a team of Canadians playing for teams that are eligible to play in Davos for the Spengler Cup. It is a European tournament with a team made of Canadians included.

          • BFR

            in·ter·na·tion·al
            ˌintərˈnaSHənl/
            adjective
            adjective: international
            1.
            existing, occurring, or carried on between two or more nations.

          • MB

            If that’s the definition we are going to use, sure. Either way the Spengler Cup is basically the European Championship and is not considered to be at a world level which I was getting at.

            I’m not even sure if the Spengler Cup Team Canada has anything to do with Hockey Canada, could be wrong though.

          • sens23

            this is hands down the dumbest thoery i have ever read on this site. are taylor hall, jordan eberle and sam gagner all coach killers as well? becuase those 3 have had 4 different coaches in their first 5 years in the league
            and spezza was on the spenglar cup winning team in 2012

          • MB

            Ah yes, the good old Spangler Cup… knew this would eventually come up. Is that what people who believe in Spezza will hang the “he’s been part of a winner” hat on? The Spangler Cup? Good thing he won there because that’s the only team Canada he ever has a shot at playing on ever again.

          • BFR

            Spezza began his OHL career with the Battalion as an underager recording over a point per game. After that year, he was required to enter the OHL Priority Draft and was selected by the IceDogs. He was traded over a year later because Windsor was loading up for a cup run.

            So his first coaching change was due to league rules, and his second change was to a team pushing for the playoffs. That’s 75% of his junior coaches. So no, he didn’t “bounce around” of kill any coaches.

            50% of his NHL coaches were scrubs because they were a low cost option and were offered their first NHL head coaching position, and have never been offered another.

            You are trying to link facts with your perception, but your logic is flawed.

          • MB

            He was bounced around in the OHL, true or false? Why is that? The teams he played on under achieved so he was traded. The teams he then was traded too were contenders who failed to win.

            I love how you are trying to actually qualify what is considered an NHL coach and what isn’t. A scrub in your opinion isn’t an NHL coach and shouldn’t be counted towards Spezza’s kill count? Interesting.

            Perhaps coach killer is a little harsh but the fact remains that Spezza averages more than 1 coach every 2 years, that’s a concerning stat unless you truly believe Spezza isn’t a problem in Ottawa and never has been. If that’s the case then that’s your opinion and I totally disagree with it.

            The quicker Spezza is shipped out the quicker the Sens can move forward with the players that the team can actually build around. This is all IMO but the coaches and championships (or lack there of) are simple fact.

          • BFR

            False. You preach facts when you are really talking about your own perception, and yet ignore real facts to suit your storyline.

            His first junior trade did not happen until halfway through his junior career. As I’ve stated, he started as an under-ager, then went through a draft, then was traded to a contender. That’s not bouncing around.

            An NHL coach is a coach that, you know, coaches in the NHL. If they lose their job, they find one with another team. The three I listed have not.

            You should have just said you hate Spezza and forgone the imaginary storylines to suit your needs.

          • MB

            False, I guess he didn’t play for 4 different OHL teams? Weird because I thought he did. Must be my mistake there. He was bounced around toward the middle of his OHL career and he put up his points and that was it. The same criticisms Spezza had when he was 16 he still has a lot now, his game has changed very little since that time. He’s a little more mature, decisions are a little better, but that’s about it. Still has problems raising the tempo of his game at any point and doesn’t bring the same effort each night. Game 1, is the same as game 34, is the same as game 65,82, and game 7 of any playoff round. It doesn’t change.

            An NHL coach is a coach that coaches in the NHL and Spezza has gone through 6 of them. I know it must be hard for some people to understand that like yourself but hey, that’s fine, a lot of people hide from the truth. Spezza won’t get coach #7 in Ottawa so people hoping MacLean is fired better get used to the fact Spezza is going to be on his way out in the offseason. Spezza’s had enough guys try to make him a complete hockey player… he’s uncoachable.

            You are right about one thing, I don’t like Spezza. I don’t like the way he plays the game, I don’t like the fact he’s been in Ottawa for a decade and done next to nothing with charities, and I don’t like him as the captain of the Ottawa Senators. I believed he was and is the player holding the team back and have for years like other players have for other teams. Boston rid themselves of Thornton and they were vilified for it, 1 cup and 2 finals later people forgot the guy even played there and Spezza isn’t anywhere near the player Thornton is or was.

          • BFR

            His first trade occurred when he was moved to his third team. If you can’t understand that, I can’t help you.

          • MB

            I understand that. I realize he wasn’t traded to the Ice Dogs and he played for Brampton because he was an underage player at the time and the rules were different.

          • BFR

            Finally!!! Your point has been that he bounced around via trade because he was a coach killer. If he didn’t get traded until he was on his third team, that means your point is BS.

          • MB

            No it doesn’t lol. He was bounced around in the OHL in the 2nd 1/2 of his career because regular season his teams struggled then the team he was traded to ended up under achieving. Simple as that.

            In the NHL well, he’s been a coach killer. There’s a reason Spezza has no consistency in his game and a pretty good reason might be between the time he was 15 or 16 until today he has had, I believe 11 or 12 coaches in 14 years of hockey.

            Before you get all defensive again and for the sake of argument I will say none of that is Spezza’s fault and he is a victim of circumstance, it’s impossible to develop into an all around player, a consistent player, or a dependable player having a new coach basically every single year on average.

          • BFR

            Actually, it does. His second trade was to another junior team that was trying to make a Memorial cup run, so he was only needed for the rest of the season and Windsor wanted to get an asset they could have for a longer term seeing as he was going to the AHL the following year.

            The fact that you count Clouston, Hartsburgh, and Paddock as NHL coaches is laughable.

          • MB

            Couldn’t even reply to the actual fact, eh? Try and pick holes in the argument on my end, post about it, then the actual point I was making is totally ignored because it’s true and you have nothing. The fact you discount actual fact and actual events and write it off as “well, I don’t like them and I think they were scrubs so thus I win the argument because I don’t believe it happened” shows how little you actually have in terms of an argument. Hell, you turned to a dictionary to try and disprove the Spengler Cup as an international hockey tournament when in fact it’s a European Championship.

          • BFR

            Actually, I’ve refuted your bouncing around in the OHL with actual facts, not my perception, unlike yourself.

            Lets pretend they are actually NHL coaches.

            Can you tell me what former Senators fit these descriptions:

            _____ – 18 years NHL, 9 NHL coaches.
            _____ – 14 years NHL, 7 NHL coaches.
            _____ – 10 years NHL, 7 NHL coaches.
            _____ – 14 years NHL, 6 NHL coaches.

            Your inability to understand the definition of international is not my problem.

          • MB

            It’s a European Championship and always has been. Until NA sends a championship team either at the AHL or NHL level it always will be. Call it international if you wish but everyone knows what I meant and if people want to get nit picky… then sure. I could take a page out of your book and say “it’s not a real tournament” just as those previous NHL coaches “are not NHL coaches”.

            My entire point with the actual development with Spezza putting away my personal bias and views on the player, having as many coaches as he has had pretty much kills development because it’s a new message each time. Brampton to Mississauga, new message, Windsor to Belleville, new message, Martin to Murray, new message, Hartsburg to Clouston, new message, etc, etc, etc. You can have whatever view you want on Spezza, I have mine but there is no disputing the fact that coach after coach in short time frames is awful for the development of a player like Spezza because of the enormous holes in his game to begin with. At this point he isn’t changing and it’s pretty clear to everyone he is starting on the downside of his career, how sharp that drop off is remains to be seen.

          • BFR

            Everyone calls it international but you.

            I am neither pro nor anti Spezza. I can appreciate the offense he generates without crapping myself every time he occasionally turns the puck over when generating said offense.

            The number of coaches he has had are irrelevant, as some others have had more. The message should be similar assuming they are NHL calibre coaches. He’s never going to be Jonathan Toews, and people need to deal with that instead of constantly wishing they had what was on the other team.

            I can see him being traded, but at this point it would be more for his sake/sanity. I couldn’t imagine living in a city with a vocal minority that craps all over you whenever there is one missed drop pass or you don’t score.

          • MB

            I’ll tell you what, I’ll send you a $10,000 cheque if you can find one post of me talking about a Spezza turn over, drop pass, or w/e cliche Spezza-esque comment other people use over and over.

            I like the fact Spezza can go out and try and create something out of nothing, I appreciate that part of the game. He turns the puck over once in a while so be it, it happens all the time to the players who have the puck all of the time. Part of the game, oh well. Sometimes it’s at awful times in the game or the completely wrong situation when a dump and change is the right play but I digress.

            The biggest issue with Spezza is a lack of intensity and general will to win. I’m not talking about going out there and hitting, fighting, w/e, I’m talking about taking his game to another level but Spezza’s problem is and always has been he has 1 gear, that’s it. Like I said above game 1 is the same as game 10, 81, game 1 of round 1, game 7 of round 3, his game is the same. This lack of intensity leads to him not moving his feet at times, it leads to being weak on the back cheque, it leads to all the flaws which people pick out in his game. People who say “Spezza is a turn over machine” probably can’t form much of an opinion so they use that as a crutch for a general lack knowledge. Giving away the puck is the least concerning thing in his game at this point.

            As for the number of coaches a player has it is absolutely a factor whether you want to believe that or not. Coaches are all different and the message will always be different. Not only is it different it will be delivered differently as well.

          • BFR

            Yeah, I wasn’t talking about you per se there…. just the general sentiment that that comes across in a loss and everyone is looking for a whipping boy.

            He’s got at least two gears, the floating around lurking, waiting for a pass speed, then there’s the speeding through the neutral zone and busting through the blueline to make the defence look silly. Although that later speed has been less frequent this year.

            Last year was a write-off because of the back and knee issues. Not sure if there is something still nagging from that or not, but in the last few games, he’s looked faster. Hopefully he can come back to the same form he had when he finished 4th in scoring. Or the year he got pissed off after taking a weak penalty, then proceeded to dance through what seemed like the entire Jets roster and toss the pass to Turris for the goal.

            The number of coaches isn’t a factor seeing as Chris Kelly has had 7 coaches in 10 years of NHL, Alfie has had 9 coaches in 18 years, and Fisher has had 7 in 14. I think his biggest issue is his back. He just can’t play at top speed with a bad back.

          • MB

            Alfie had basically one coach the first decade of his career, he learned under Martin for years and developed in his system, Fisher is the same, and so is Phillips. Kelly is more or less a player who just knows how to play his game and it doesn’t change from coach to coach like Spezza.

            The injuries Spezza has are obviously an enormous factor and maybe even the biggest because the holes in his game are that much bigger because he can’t do the things he great at to the best of his ability. He used extreme talent as a crutch his entire career and got away with a lack of effort in terms of the defensive side of the game and the physical part of the game. Spezza at this point isn’t healthy enough to simply go out there and magically make things happen… he also doesn’t have the same supporting cast he once did.

            There is no question Spezza’s best year in the NHL was 2 years ago, he was close to perfect. That was 2 years ago, that was a serious back injury ago and Spezza will never have another season like that.

            For the most part Spezza’s game is the same through and through, sometimes he’ll skate, sometimes he won’t. Sometimes he will go to the net, sometimes he won’t. Been the same thing since Jr.

          • Jacques

            I agree 100 percent dude! Welcome aboard!

          • Jacques

            Funny all those coaches and still doesn’t know how to play hockey correctly!

      • Jacques

        He does, just make it in another city!

  • Doc

    Yep.

  • sben

    Something will snap. Either maclean, Murray, Melnyk or the players. We cannot continue like this.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    The fact is, is that the Senators took two steps back yesterday.

    Their first was re-signing Big Rig for 2 years. The major issue with that is that it will cost us one of our prospects to be sacrificed. We now have 8 d-men on 1 way contracts next season. This doesn’t even account for Classen. So I am guessing Weircioch will be shipped to a new home at the draft. That’s too bad because PW46 > CP4. But ‘good guy in the community’ wins this battle!

    The second issue ties into the first one. By not dealing away our UFA’s and gaining a couple minor assets, the team stood still. On top of that we are not allowing some of our prospects to get called up and show what they have been doing. There is a log jam of third and fourth liners in the system and Murray hasn’t been able to transfer them into top 6 material.

    I guess another fear I have is that nothing happens in the summer. That the team goes into next season composed roughly the same as it is today. The Sens need to supplement our prospects with key FA signings or trades for top 3 F or a top 2 D. I know it’s risky but I’d like to see a guy like Boyle signed or Gaborik signed. Both players can have immediate positive impacts on the team! Gaborik is risky I know. If Melnyk hold the budget hostage I can see the team being worse next season. Imagine the same lineup but with $5-6M less in payroll?

    I am a season ticket holder and unfortunately paid in full already for next season. I kinda with I had not renewed at this point but I will continue to have my season tickets for many years to come. The games are boring. I convince my friends to come with me all the time but when leaving have to apologize to them for the product that’s put in front of them.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    Also, too many of the Sens reporters are too per-occupied with making friends on twitter and less focused on asking hard questions to the owner, coach, players and taking opinions from fans. When they try to ask a question Mac brushes it off and the reporters never follow up. Why the fuck don’t they repeat the question and not let MacLean give a cop-out answer? I mean seriously, do your fucking job!

    • Ryan_Fitzpatrick

      The media here is more concerned with being in bed with the team than actually asking hard questions. Not one member has asked Paul about the ice time allotment. Gutless.

      • Dirk-Diggler

        Yes! Garrioch, Brennan, Mackenzie, Mendez and Gordon have not pushed at
        all. It’s brutal that we have so many media members and none of them are
        willing to work hard and separate themselves from the pack. It’s always
        the same questions and they are happy with the preselected answers.

  • boom

    Chirp, again you seem to blame Melnyk more that the players. Who, exactly, should they have targeted in a trade that would convince you that it’s not the same old “money in/money out” approach?

    You seem to think that acquiring high-end (expensive) talent is always the best way forward – how’s the Bobby Ryan deal working out so far?

    Sorry, but I’m so sick of hearing everyone whine about the budget…

    • runningbear1974

      My opinion is the problem is not with who we don’t have, but with who we do have…

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Who knows how the Ryan deal is working out… Maclean doesn’t fucking play him

      • sbs138

        doesn’t deserve any ice time with the lack of effort he puts out.

    • SensChirp

      The only thing I “blame” Melnyk for is continuously misleading fans.

      • boom

        I shouldn’t put words in your mouth – sorry about that. Man, I’m grumpy….

      • Miguel

        Chirp if the Euge is lieing, then at some point BM will have to reveal the facts.
        reporter ” BM if this team is making a real run, the Euge just claimed that we are buyers, why did you not go get more for the run?”
        BM ” we can’t we do not have the budget ” Euge a liar
        Bm ” we do not have the right pieces to make a real run” that is the real reason I believe.
        Which begs the question, why not get rid of the deadwood, and make room for prospects?

    • BFR

      The Ryan deal would work fine if the coach was willing to put him in a position to succeed.

      Also, the conference call where they said they were willing to spend to contend, blah, blah, blah….. was an obvious lie as it occurred a short while before season ticket renewals. Melnyk even tipped his hat later in the day on TSN1200 with his cost per point speech.

      As a STH, that pisses me off!

    • sell the team Eugene

      16 teams with larger payrolls than Ottawa’s will make the playoffs

    • Miguel

      love this comment Boom, easy to keep coming back to the budget.
      Sorry, but if Euge keeps saying he will spend if we can win the cup, and we are contstantly struggling to make the playoffs… to me it will take a lot more than one UFA to make us a cup winner!
      We all love many of the moves BM has clearly won that has made us better, however, he has made a couple that we have clearly lost, and has not made this team better.
      I really need to understand from both PM and BM, what is our identity?
      Where are we going, we seem to be a ship in the night without a compass, or direction.
      Back to reporters asking PM, why are you sitting our best players in favour of a 4th line, in dire games?

  • runningbear1974

    It sucks that the fans want Phillips, Spezza and afternoon games… The fans and obviously the management believe these guys are the solution… These guys were never the solution, not even in their prime, they’re less so now… Phillips can’t do offense, and Spezza can’t do defense…

    • runningbear1974

      I’m afraid our “leaders” will be teaching our young guys the wrong thing… We started building a wining tradition these last couple of years, but in my opinion that started with the Bingo team that won… They are the winners… But, this year we decided to focus on our veterans, who aren’t winners of anything… If anything, our leaders, specifically Phillips and Spezza have shown that you can have a full career based on pedigree, and not on continual improvement, and you still get a retirement contract in the end…

    • PraiseAlfie11

      No, no, no…fans don’t want afternoon games…eugene wants them so he can get ad revenues on weekend games.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    I blame the clown behind the bench…. Stop blaming Ryan…. The coach is the idiot who plays him fourth line minutes
    Get rid of him before we end up with Ryan, Spezza, Karlsson all demanding trades due to the idiotic decisions

    • SensChirp

      I want to believe this is the issue but when I watch Ryan lately, I don’t think, “Man he should be playing more!” Each shift it seems like he may die of fatigue.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Don’t know chirp…. I have supported him up until now… At this point I’d take Goddamn Clouston back(Ok… Maybe that’s a slight exaggeration… But only slight)

        • SensChirp

          It’s easy to just say, “Play Ryan more!” But maybe Ryan isn’t capable of playing more?

          • SensChirp

            That said, his minutes could be a little more wisely spent. Leaving him off important power plays doesn’t make sense. But if the Coach was concerned about his health/conditioning, you can see why he would prefer to lean on other guys.

          • BFR

            If this team is going to lose, it should be with their best players. Don’t expect the grinders to win you games on a nightly basis.

          • Jacques

            It’s tough when your better players are in the state of NY

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Was about b o say… You don’t leave him off our pp

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        There seems to be a struggle between Maclean and Murray… And Maclean and the players

        • runningbear1974

          Yeah… Murray says Phillips and Spezza are awesome… Maclean says yeah okay i’ll play them a lot and we’ll see what happens…

          • Jacques

            I think you nailed, forensic homework or just plain vision watching this crap?

      • aegiszx

        He’s never been that impact power forward though, that’s not his role. Sure he can do it, but that’s not whats made him successful. He’s a “be in the right spot” sniper.

    • runningbear1974

      I don’t think a new coach would fix our team… There’s a lot of holes in our team… It’s not easy to patch them all up… I can imagine having a bit more success in the regular season, but i can’t imagine this team actually being a contender… Because of the players on the team, and the way the play…

    • sbs138

      I was @ the game last night…I blame Ryan. he does nothing. Zero effort.

    • BFR

      Preaching to the choir…

    • sbs138

      does playing like a 4th liner mean you should play 4th line minutes? if so, he is right where he should be.

  • LeafsSux

    I cant watch this team anymore.. When was the last time any of you guys actually jumped out of your seat with excitement for a great play? Im glad I used all of my 4 game pak up already.. Its tough being a Sens fan when your owner and head coach are not… Hopefully we make a splash in the off season..

    • runningbear1974

      So, everyone thinks the problem is management, coach, and owner… No one thinks it’s the “key” players on the team…

      • LeafsSux

        I think they’re feeding off of one another..

      • my2sens

        It starts with the owner not giving management the tools needed…. then that works to the coach not having the necessary assets to place on the ice and his magical unknown juggling which in turns affects players… so yes.

        • runningbear1974

          I disagree… I blame the fans for wanting Spezza and Phillips… Putting pressure on management to continue with these players, forcing coach to have to play them… Forcing the coach to have to spend some time teaching these guys how to play offense and defense…

          • my2sens

            Really? You blame fans who want a player who is a point a game? Who, despite all of us fans shitting on him HAS NOT demanded a trade!?

            And a veteran who can provide leadership to the young core?

            You think keeping two players is what is ailing us?

          • sben

            He is the most inconsistent player on the team and being captain the team follows his lead. But part of the issue is that you make a player a captain who is not a complete player. He is great on offense but is crap on defense. You can’t have that type of guy as a captain. This is not a hit on Spezza this is an unfortunate event because spezza seemed like the best candidate for the captaincy so the MGMT cannot be blamed for it. THis is IMO.

          • Jacques

            Well said Sben!

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        When fans of EVERY team say that they would take Spezza in a second in their team sens fans are being retards trying to run him out of town again.

        • runningbear1974

          No… Not true… The fans i talk to laugh at Spezza’s skill…

          Without Spezza last year we were a good team… When Spezza and Phillips got injured we went on a winning streak…

          Every opportunity he creates comes with a defensive liability…

          I understand there are a lot of Spezza believers.. I’m not one of them… I like complete 2-way players… I like hard working types… I also like guys that keep getting better and better… Spezza is none of those things… If it weren’t for Turris and Zibanejad, i wouldn’t be cheering at all…

          At this point, i’m feeling a lot more negative emotions than positive emotions… And, yes, i blame Spezza and Phillips, and the fans for wanting those guys to lead us…

          We’ll have empirical evidence in the next couple of years whether or not these guys can do it…

          • SensChirp

            Take a frigging breath, runningbear. Step away from the keyboard

          • Jacques

            Wiser’s clap!

        • Jacques

          Honestly I have friends who are Habs and Bruins fans and they say he has no heart and is a team killer!

          • Doc

            Ohhhhh, I get it now.

            You DON’T like Spezza…

          • Jacques

            Ya think?

    • Dirk-Diggler

      Try being a season ticket holder :(

      • LeafsSux

        If I lived 3.5 hours closer I would.. But I really feel for you guys.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Not anymore… Literally just canceled

        Fuck this… Why bother paying for something that enfuriates me more than my fucking ex wife.

        • Jacques

          Haha

  • aegiszx

    How long until the fans drive Paul Mac out of town? I’m really really hoping we can tie the league with most coaches in under a decade!

  • my2sens

    I just don’t understand how our players are suppose to better their game and develop chemistry if each night it’s musical bench and our stars get next to no minutes.

    I have never questioned the coach before, but these past two games… I am confused. Let the stars play and they will contribute.

    Plus side, liked what I saw from Hemsky

    • Jacques

      We have committed to the wrong players , we have better players in BINGO!

  • sben

    I think something people don’t understand is that it doesn’t matter who we bring in or who we could get and they’ll fix the team.If we signed moulson or penner or robidas next year would we immediately start winning right after that? It’d only be patching up a broken system. There is something intrinsically wrong with the team. There are no real players who consistently play crap every game and if we get rid of them we’ll win. There is no real area where we can say this and this is completely wrong and if we changed them we’d start winning all the time. It is the team that has something wrong with it. It isn’t Maclean. If he played Turris and Macarthur more do you think we would have won the game? No. The whole team had something wrong with it and I think it has to do with the leadership system. The rest of the season is for finding what is wrong and hat we could do in the offseason to fix it.

    • runningbear1974

      I agree the problem is our “leadership” system… Every team has leaders, some are good some are bad leaders…

  • sbs138

    I was at the game last night and I am not questioning Paul MacLean whatsoever. No one on the team was trying last night except for Ceci, the Smith line, Hemsky and Wiercioch. My first time seeing Bobby Ryan play and I was very unimpressed…lazy.
    HEART OUTWORKS TALENT WHEN TALENT DOESNT WORK.

    • sben

      agree

    • runningbear1974

      That’s the pattern the Ottawa Senators have established since D’aigle… No one is afraid of Ottawa’s skill… No one is afraid of Ottawa’s intensity…
      Again, i blame our leaders…

      • SensChirp

        And what about the last two seasons?

        • runningbear1974

          Last year was awesome… I loved last year’s team… 2 years ago was ok…
          Those teams felt like we were trying to ride the coat-tails of the AHL team that had won…
          But, this year seems to be a lot of focus on Spezza and Phillips… Remember Phillips on the PowerPlay and Spezza on the penalty kill… That’s the coach thinking if we want to win we need well rounder players, AND, those 2 are NOT well rounded players…
          Last year was awesome… I was so happy to cheer for that team… I wish Murray would hear me… I prefer last year’s team trying to make the playoffs, than this year’s team trying to win the cup…

        • runningbear1974

          We were so close to breaking out of that pattern with these last 2 years…So close, but it seems we decided to go that route again… I need to find a secondary team to cheer for so i’m not so upset so often…

        • runningbear1974

          2 years ago, Spezza started changing his game… He started shooting more… That was good to see… He was still a defensive liability, but Greening and Michalek were big fast skaters so it was minimized… In the playoffs however, Spezza stopped shooting the puck… I clearly remember Maclean yelling at him on the bench to shoot more…
          Those same playoffs, we were losing 2-1… Alfie got injured… We won the next 2 games.. So, winning the series 3-2, then Alfie returned, and we lost the next 2 games…
          So, it was up and down year, and to me finished on a down… Remember Alfie had a meltdown on the bench and started smashing shit…

    • BFR

      Smith line you say? Wasn’t that the first GA?

      • Jacques

        Haha, they seemed to be out there all night. Stopped watching with 15 left in the third’

      • sbs138

        sure they were on the ice for the first goal against but you can’t say that they weren’t trying. bad luck/bounces happen but at least they were out there working their asses off to try and get that goal back.

        • BFR

          I guess that’s my problem with it. The grinder’s get a GA, it’s
          considered a bad bounce. A bad bounce happens to the top 6 and they see their TOI drop.

  • sben

    I don’t understand people. We played mac and turiss against edmonton and we lost and everyone still thinks that if mac played them more against calgary we would have won.

    • BFR

      That line is less effective without Ryan.

      • Jacques

        Hard to do much with Condra instead of Ryan!

  • Finn 8

    Mac, has to go. Playing Condra on the second line is a joke. I like Condra, however he is not a top 6 forward. The power play is a joke, whats the deal with Hoffman playing point on the first unit. The Health Scratch of our best Defenceman all year (Methot). The amount of ice time COWEN has got this year, when he has been shit. The switching of goalies when one is hot stay with him.

    Ryan is gone for sure after next year for sure, you can see he has check out already.

    • nikeb613

      Im sure hemsky will find himself on a PP unit soon after a couple of practices…

    • SensChirp

      I just beg you to take a moment and think about what might be an explanation for some of those decisions. I mean there’s a chance MacLean is completely insane but it’s far more likely there are other factors at play.

      • OverMind

        i think the other factor here is PMac’s ego is huge and he is just a spiteful guy (see PMac vs Habs coach during playoffs). he’s not going to let his players off with anything. get your back up against him or say he’s making a wrong decision and out of spite he will do the opposite in an attempt to exert control. Thats just the feeling im getting, he has personality issues that are getting in the way of him being able to coach properly.

        like when should your 4th line EVER have more TOI than your first?

        • Jacques

          Like Clouston, let’s bring in Iron a Mike from Russia!

      • Jacques

        Bingo is the highest scoring team in the AHL, crazy to see us not commit to some of these players.

        • SensChirp

          That’s the AHL you know? Like, the league below the NHL…?

          • Dirk-Diggler

            Would you rather run with the vets (Michalek, Greening, Condra and Phillips) over Stone, Hoffman, Da Costa and Classen?

            What would be your solution to getting a more competitive team that shows up every night?

          • Jacques

            Exactly we develop the envy of minor league systems to let the rot cuz we have Greening,Neil,Condra, Phillips, and Smith! Holy crap, that is where the big problem is! MaCLean falls in love withCRAP!

          • Jacques

            I understand, put greening,Condra, and Smith back there and they wouldn’t be standing out! Pageau stood out in the NHL last year(example)have any of the three above ever stood out like that. What I’m saying is ,are the three so damn good that we can’t look at what we have. These are drafted players in Bingo not a twice past over guy(Smith) and two late late rounders(Greening and Condra). The winning franchises replace marginal pieces for better ones as they get better, we sign them and clog up our minor leagues!

          • Senatollah

            Pageau stood out in the NHL last year? WTF? Really?
            Really? Come on man, give your head a shake!!! Really?
            Serious? No no must be a joke right? He had what 4 good games out of 10? 15? The hattrick was nice but lets not get all Peter Schaffer syndrome and think one or two nice plays in one game with10-15 bad games around it makes you an asset to the team.

          • Jacques

            When he came up he played stellar, it injected some life into a team that was floundering at the finish line. In the playoffs, he didn’t have one bad game! WTF are u talking about!

          • Don Ciccio

            yup he did, arguably the best player in the playoffs. A time of year when it is hardest to stand out.

          • Don Ciccio

            Not to mention that guys like Greening, Condra and Smith never even dominated the AHL so how are they supposed to dominate the NHL.

      • Don Ciccio

        Chirp, if there are other factors at play then, those factors should be dealt with. You can’t keep hurting the team because he is at odds with his top line players. So either you trade these bad apples or you sit them out. Can’t keep giving Greening-Smith-Neil top line minutes.

        • SensChirp

          How does a head coach deal with injured players that want to stay in the line up?

          • Don Ciccio

            Ok, so lets keep playing players in roles that they shouldn’t be in. How can you explain Condra playing with Turris and MacArthur? If players are injured you keep them in their same roles and if they can’t handle that role then, they should be in the press box. You can’t tell me that players like Stone and Pageau can’t help us.

    • Jacques

      Hoffman has been one of the better players on the pp, he doesn’t fritter the puck away, like some other player. He sets up the play and gets a shot on net!

  • Sicilian

    Well the fat lady has been singing for a while but now she’s getting a lot louder :(
    Funny, I thought they played well for many parts of the game and really controlled the puck in their end but could not buy a goal

    • Doc

      She’s done and there will be no encore.

  • Jacques

    Signings that make NO SENS-E giving PHILLIPS 2 Years??, Giving CONDRA 2Years??, giving GREENING 3 years??? WTF our cupboards r full! especially since we didn’t liquidate them yesterday to pickup any players with term(wasn’t that the plan???). Someofthese good young players in BINGO want to play and we keep playing SMITH,NEIL,GREENING,CONDRA!and PHILLIPS not to mention GIGGLES now playing more than ever! not a recipe for success! Spezz playing more than 14 minutes a night is suicide. DaCosta should be up with Zibby and Hoffman on his wing. Hell if we so need Condra than sit Neil.

    Grant,DaCosta,Schneider,Prince,Pageau,and Claessen can replace the above CLOWNS who suck The life out of this team!

    Much appreciated!

    • LeafsSux

      Good morning to you too!

      • Jacques

        Haha

    • sben

      Personally I think that greening is better than grant or pageau as a checking forward and the other players you mentioned are not meant for that but there should be a better player than greening in that position. He is awful.

    • Senatollah

      Cupboards are full now, wont be after the BSens compete hard for the championship this year. Will be running two inexperienced goalies after Lawson likely leaves for a better opportunity next season, plus expect a few AHL contracts to not be resigned. Sadly cant keep bubble players from opportunities elsewhere.

  • PraiseAlfie11

    We need 2 top 4 defensemen. Ceci shouldn’t be in the top 4 given his limited experience.

    Any solid defensemen UFA?

  • Colin

    Fuck me. Reading some of the shit posted here today is even more depressing than watching the games.

    • SensChirp

      Yup. I love this site and have put an incredible amount of effort into it the last five years but man do I ever hate it around here when things are going poorly for the Senators haha

      • karlssens

        Not like you disagree? Hell if we can’t bitch here amongst other sens fans, where do we bitch? I’d have three homicides if I wasn’t able to vent here!

        • SensChirp

          I disagree with a lot of what is being said this morning.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            So you think neil/smith/Condra are quality top 6 players?

          • Senatollah

            Agreed Chirp, too much negativity around here including all the $in/$out nonsense talk. Sens could have taken all of Hemskys remaining salary but the GM was negotiating to get the best deal (kinda probably maybe part of his job description).

    • sbs138

      totally. I need to stop coming to this site for a few days

  • FBP

    Didn’t stay awake for the game. How did Ales look? And did anyone ask MacLean about starting the same goalie in back to backs again? I don’t think this is something that has ever worked out.

    • Jacques

      He was combative and prob the best forward out there!

  • WolfInSheepsClothes

    How about some positivity!

    I thought Hemsky looked really solid last night. Skated well. Prove possession. Was buzzing around. Give him a couple of really solid practices and it’ll be really fun to watch him work with Spezza.

    Hoffman has been REALLY impressive too. If only a bounce would go his way… Poor kid misses the net WAY too often.

    I know we’re all frustrated by the line juggling but we don’t really have a choice – we take WAY TOO MANY DUMB PENALTIES.

    The penalties we take are killing us… This is why we see so much additional time added to G-S-N. Spezza doesn’t play PK. Ryan doesn’t play PK. Michalek’s skating has dropped off. Can’t double shift Turris-Mac. Who does that leave us with…? Zibanejad and G-S-N.

    Perhaps waiving/sitting Greening and calling up D. Grant or Pageau would go a long way…?

    • sben

      Agree with everything said there. Don’t think Grant is better than Greening.

      • Jacques

        Morning greening Boner I see.

        • sben

          why do you feel the need to ridicule anyone who disagrees with you?

          • Jacques

            Just kidding Sben.

          • sben

            its all good.

    • Jacques

      I vomit when I see Condra on the third line, that’s a problem! Have trouble seeing him anywhere! Smith and Neil are bad. Replace these guys. Let the pesky kids play, these guys can’t skate. Calgary, Calgary skated circles around us.

  • aegiszx

    I dont think its so much a struggle with Mac – Murray as its a struggle between Eugene – Mac/Murray…

    Has it not occured to anyone that maybe just maybe Eugene has some influence over who plays and who gets PAID….

    • mkjr

      I agree with most of what you said, but, We have to agree that some of Mac’s decisions lately / all year have been head scratchers. I put a lot some blame on Murray. I’m a Cowboys fan and Melnyk is really starting to remind me of Jerry Jones without all the money.

  • karlssens

    I think I can speak for all sens fans when I say it’s not the fact were loosing, it’s how we are loosing. Last year with the injuries, when we lost a game I still felt content because of the effort level. When I see Turris and Spezza (to name a few) floating around it infuriates me. You know what, Neil and greening may not be talented, but they try 100%. This is the message p Mac is sending. Instead of motivating his players, he is alienating them.

    • Jacques

      When I See Spezza doing the big windup in his own zone at 120 miles an hour going on the offence, than see him turn it over and come back skating 20 percent what message does that send,show some pride!

    • sben

      exactly. Its is the leadership group.

    • Hannibal

      Expectations have to tempered considerably. While the CN25, ZS and CG14 aren’t overly adept at scoring game winning or timely goals that line has been consistent all year regarding compete level and generating energy that other players pick up on. Mind you at times CN25 is a momentum buster but that line as a whole has a precise role to play in controlling the wall in the offensive zone and taking the body. This they do well. The onus is on the top two lines to generate the offence which is sorely lacking at the moment.

  • karlssens

    To trade at draft or in the offseason: Andy, Spezza, Michalek (rights), condra (for a vented Coors, just one can), smith, greening

    Build around: Karl, ceci, Lehner, Ryan, Turris, zibby

    • Jacques

      I agree dude! We might only get a half can though! The others like you said have to go! Players are waiting for spots, it’s a disgrace! You can add Neil and Greening. Would add 2 more but I’ll cause a tidal wave!

    • sbs138

      Build around Ryan? laziest player on the team.

      • Jacques

        He wears 6 not 19…

      • BFR

        And still top 5 in scoring with 3rd line minutes.

  • SensChirp

    Can you guys at least click on some ads during your senseless rants? :)

    • sben

      hahaha

    • LeafsSux

      My ads are for Yankee tickets.. I live in NY but hate the fuckin Yankees! lol

    • Jacques

      It’ll pay some bills or diapers?

      • SensChirp

        Ha. Both. A blogger salary isn’t as lucrative as you might think.

        • Jacques

          Sorry, I’m just so frustrated with this team Chirp!

  • karlssens

    Also, if Ryan is expecting 7-8 mill, send him to philly for a package of simmonds and a first.

    • Finn 8

      I like that deal

    • Mclovin

      Simmonds is better than Ryan right now, we’d have to add. I do think we should cut our losses with ryan in the offseason though.

      • Jacques

        Simmons better than Ryan?

        • Mclovin

          key words ‘right now’

          • Jacques

            Oh ok lol

  • AusieSen

    Real happy with the Hemsky pick up, hope he sign on as I can see him working well with Spezza.

    • Jacques

      We’ll sign Hemsky but Spezza is gone at the draft dude!

      • AusieSen

        Not sure on that one, they will be moving off the fringe forwards for sure to let some Bingo lads up, and at least 2 of the D on the roster currently. I doubt they move Spezza unless it’s for a pick in the top 2-3

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Omfg this place has literally just gone insane…. Get rid of Ryan… Our top 3 player that’s being forced to play fourth line…. Unfucking believable

    • Tooks

      Getting rid of him is stupid but so is playing him on the 3rd line. We wont have to get rid of him if this keeps up, he’ll walk.

  • Doc

    I know emotions are high right now, and I think most of you are realising that the playoffs are not a possibility anymore, but the comments are just brutal this morning.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      I accepted the playoffs were no go a wheile ago

    • SensChirp

      Thankfully it’s just four or five people saying the same thing over and over again. I still believe there is some sanity out there.

      • Colin

        Amen!

      • Tooks

        And I aint even one of them!

    • WolfInSheepsClothes

      I refuse to believe that we’re “done” for the year. 19 games to go, 4 points out of a spot.

      I’m holding on to hope until we’re ACTUALLY done for the year, whether that’s at game 82 or after.

    • Tooks

      Well they should be, did you see the team play the last 2 games? vs bottom feeding teams…We didnt even show up. Its not like, “oh its ok, they’ll get back on the wagon the next game” Nope, this is our team man, slow, uninspired, heartless pukes! LOL

      We had a chance to infuse life into our roster and we chose to die a slow and painful death.

      I really dont know anymore if Maclean is the man for the job, he cant get his stars to perform, playing 4 time 30+ G scorer on the 3rd line, keeps playing plugs like Greening and Condra in the top 6… Its just brutal.

  • Dirk-Diggler

    I wonder if the Jets can call up my fat beer league goalie to post a shutout on Saturday against the Sens.

    • Jacques

      Any goalie looks great right now!

  • Miles

    This is all I can say about last night…..

    • Jacques

      You may have said too much!

    • Miles

      PLAYOFFS?!

  • Senatollah

    As much as this year isn’t meeting expectations its very similar to last year where the Sens were a bubble team and BARLEY made the playoffs.

    Hoping some of the issues last night were due to injury or flu/colds. Looking at the Roster going forward would love to see the team rolling three lines and four D.

    If in the off-season the team can find via trade/UFA 1 top four D and 1 top six forward the team should be much more competitive.
    16-7-6 (top line)
    X-19-83 (Fast LW, expectation of 15 goals)
    X-93-68 (Grinder LW, ability to take faceoffs, a Condra like player than can pot 10 goals)
    28-15-25 (icetime capped at 8-10min/game)

  • KingKarlsson84 – RSU is pathet

    PLAYOFFS?! (Sorry for the double post but it’s too funny haha)

  • NO65*

    This team is intriguing to say the least. The line of 16-7-6 was on fire before Xmas and one of the best in the league. How can sudenly they look slow, flat and not interested? The beat journalist around the team have to ask the real questions to PMAC. Looks like we are seeing the Clouston era back in strenght. We are back to a team playing along the board for 30 sec without any creativity. We can’t always blame the players, it’s time for the coach to get the blame. What’s next, he will ask Murray to build a full team of Greening, Smith and Condra? Time to bring the excitement back and play the top players 20+ minutes for the rest of the season.

    • mkjr

      I was just thinking the same thing…it looks like the Clouston era all over again, crappy play in both ends, pissed off and uninspired players.

  • Roar…

    Personally, I don’t really care what P-Mac’s “Other Reasons” might be. There is no justification for playing Neil & Greening more than our star players. As a fan, I pay money to see this team. I don’t pay to see Colin Greening. Call it entitlement, call it what you want. Put the best damn players on the top two lines and play them both 18+ minutes a night. That’s an outcome I can live with. At least we go down with our best players on the freaking ice.

    In terms of Bobby Ryan, he’s maybe the only one that there is any justification about. Word is he’s going to have surgery right after the season and he’s been playing through significant pain for some time. We’ll see if that comes to fruition or not.

    • SensChirp

      Unless the star players are nursing injuries/out of shape.

      • Jacques

        If he’s hurt send him home to get well(surgery whatever he needs)he’ll only appreciate it!

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        If he is hurt them announce it.. And let him heal

  • A-Train

    Well this is what happens when you have a team that falls short….angry fans.

    I wouldn’t worry about it Chirp, on days like this you provide an important outlet.

    Can’t say I agree with most of what’s being said here….but it’s inevitable that Maclean takes some of the blame.

    If he hadn’t built up so much goodwill in the last two seasons he’d be out at the end of this one.

  • Andrews theory

    With what has unfolded since the break, hopefully Maclean and Murray will focus the remainder of the year on development and understanding what will be the strategy for next year.

    In case there is any doubt what that means… It’s cutting down the ice time for Smith, Condra, Greening, Phillips

    Give Ryan the ice time he needs with the line that has been our most potent.
    Give Zibanejad the opportunity to take his game to another level, same with Hoffman, he’s looked good but can he produce at this level, 20 games should be a big enough sample…
    Give the new Spezza line the remainder of the season to see if they can form a formidable attack. (I believe they can)

    At seasons end Murray can then choose his poison for next season. We may very well see Spezza moved at the draft depending on all the factors above…

  • Andrews theory

    On a positive note, if missing the playoffs means saying goodbye to Quacky McQuack Euge, count me in for some short term suffering

    • karlssens

      Agreed! Although, I feel they will have to pry this team from his dead hands. He’s not letting go.

      • Jacques

        Unfortunately the 500 million coming in over the next 15 or so years should enable Melnyk to hang on tight!

  • karlssens

    Out of all the teams in the NHL, why do we have to be stuck with the cheap ass :(. We have nearly 300,000 more people than Vancouver yet you don’t see their owner complaining! I know our attendance needs work, but we have the market for a constantly sold out arena! Remember 5 years ago when we would sell out every game??

    • Jacques

      Our problems aren’t all money related, more about evaluAting your talent appropriately. Having the right players playing!

    • Phil.

      Most teams in the NHL operate on a budget.
      calgary, Edmonton and Winnipeg are all on a low-end budget. Vancouver isn’t yet as they have been going for the cup the last few years, but I suspect they won’t be a cap team for long.
      If you can only cheer for a team with unlimited budget, may I suggest TO, MTL or NYR (jerk sentence, but you get my point)?

    • A-Train

      C’mon now. There are 2.5 million people in the Greater Vancouver Area and that doesn’t include folks who come up from Seattle.

      Let’s be upset, but stay grounded in reality.

  • iKarly65

    Only positive I saw last night was Hemsky. Don’t know if it was just being his first game and wanting to look extra good or not, but he was fast, going into the dirty areas, and when he had the puck he was calm and make smart plays. Not to mention his hustle, compete level, and back check.

    • Jacques

      He plays hockey the right way, played junior in Hull so he might love resigning!

    • iKarly65

      That said, it would be very disappointing to see him and our other good players request trades or leave to free agency because of the direction of the team. If a player feels disrespected, or poorly/unfairly treated, they will leave given the chance.

  • cc

    i tried to watch the game, fell asleep. Absolute bore.

  • Tooks

    Well, Hemsky looked good…

    • MethotToMyMadness

      He did actually. He does have a big presence when he has the puck. And his ability to go from the outside and back in and cross through the crease is incredible. I was watching some highlights of his and he scores SO many goals that way. In fact, he scored his 1st of 2 against the Sens that way the other night. I hope he continues to show his stuff and the Sens can get him signed.

  • SensChirp

    Bobby Ryan had the entire Olympic break to rest and then still missed the first couple practices after the break. Pretty clear there is a lingering issue there.

    • Tooks

      Do we know if its upper or lower body? I remember him taking some heavy hits or board crashing, might be upper body?

    • A-Train

      That’s important to note and if true does somewhat mitigate the criticism of him…and to a lesser extent Maclean.

      If he’s injured I wonder at what point he sits.

  • Stephen Renaud

    Top 6 aside “Macarthur” are soft as hell. No grit and no hard puck battles.

    • A-Train

      They really miss Alfie along the boards.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Hey Chirp, way to go on the record numbers. I would have been on, but I kept getting an error trying to access your page. It was happening at work the day before deadline day and from home on deadline day, so It’s not my network. I figure the traffic was just too much, anyone who didn’t get on early just didn’t get on. I was able to sign in after all the hype and say hello.

    As for the Sens. Well I think we all see exactly where the season is going. While we all had high hopes after a dreadful start, we can pretty much agree that the season is done at this point. Normally I wouldn’t be saying it that way, but you just don’t see the compete in the squad this year. Maybe they are tired after the over achieving season last year and going to the 2nd round on the playoffs? Or maybe they are just too frustrated, who knows. As a Fan, I can honestly say I’m frustrated. So you can only image how the players feel.

    Is it PMac’s fault, hard to say really. They all bought into his system and it worked. Can a team really turn that quickly against a formula we know worked?

    What really makes me mad and I know it’ll happen. We will get down to about 10 or 12 games left, the Team will really start to gel again and they’ll go on a tear and get SO close, within a point and we won’t make it. And the entire fan base will be up in arms about it all over again. You watch, I can see it now. Arg!!!

  • KingKarlsson84 – RSU is pathet

    This season ended up exactly like the way they’ve been playing all year. Fall behind early, have to play catch up, finally catch up and then fall behind again. Game Over. Sans Playoffs.

  • Phil.

    Just a thought, but it seems that MacLean’s systems relies on defensemen moving the puck. The D has been inconsistent and average at best. Not sure he can compensate for that without going hardcore trap (see MTL).

    • Doc

      Possession driven, yes.

  • BeJamin

    From the description that I heard, the injury sounded like it was an abdominal tear. It’s very painful but you can play through it. It has been suggested that the team is doing what they can to help him play through it and he will get surgery after the season.
    In terms of TOI, Zibanejad isn’t hurt. Michalek doesn’t deserve 21 minutes on any night. It appears quite evident that the team wishes to reward the players who “act as professionals” and “work hard” rather than based on their play on the ice. Boston made the same mistake trading Tyler Seguin in my opinion. You can only expect so much maturity and professionalism out of young players. They are young people with tons of money. They’re going to do some stupid things.
    If I was coaching as of today…
    Zibanejad-Spezza-Ryan
    MacArthur-Turris-Hemsky
    Flip LW’s and RW’s when you need to mix things up if the team is having an off game, but keep these 6 guys playing 18+ minutes a night. They are the teams best 6 players and they should be given the opportunity to do what they do best.
    Ryan and Spezza both had about 10 points in their first 10 games. That was the only time they played together all year. I’m not even sure exactly what game # the experiment ended at, but both were productive. Then for some reason we decided they had “no chemistry” which clearly wasn’t the case. Put them together and keep them together until they work it out. They are both too talented not to figure it out.
    If I remember correctly the reason they were split up is the team wasn’t winning hockey games, and the Ryan-Spezza combo was giving up as much offense as they were creating. Thing is 82 point pace from both of them would be plenty good enough if they were breaking even offensively. Let the Turris line push us into winning games /w Hemsky on board. Just spitballing here of course…

    • BFR

      Well said.

      • Jacques

        Just that Spezza-Ryan were getting eaten alive on the other side of the ice! There are 2 zones, and you need to be committed in both!

  • WaitingSince92

    Too bad we’re almost certainly out of the playoffs. The only positive I’ve seen in the last two games was Spezza.

    Not sure what changed, but he’s been awesome. No stupid/blind drop passes, no standing still reaching with his stick. He’s had the puck a lot and he’s been skating hard with it to create chances.

    He’s stepped it up and it starting to look like real captain who leads by example. Too bad we got swept in Alberta…

  • WaitingSince92

    Also, despite the shitty results, I’ve really been liking how our PP gains the zone; Karlsson starts out with it. He skates it into the zone if he can. If he can’t, he drops it to Spezza, who gains the zone at full speed.

    It was a pleasure to watch, and it really worked towards Spezza’s strengths (ie when he gets the puck and is already at full speed).

    • Conor_smythe

      lol.. seems we’ve been watching a different pp..

      Karlsson starts out with it, skates to redline, realizes he needs to do something quick, makes a bad pass, other team gets it, sends it back the other way

      • Jacques

        It’s a one and done Powerplay for the most part. One Ill advised pass and the puck is back in our end! No set up which is unfortunate cuz there is tons of talent to pick from!

      • WaitingSince92

        They did it successfully three times in a row. Not sure how you miss that. Two led to scoring chances, one of which was exceptional (but not in).

  • esk

    Watch Murray interview on sens tv…he explains a lot of things. He waived conacher because he felt we needed to get bigger and the emergence of hoffman…he also admits to calling tim murray after he waived conacher to pick him up…

  • Sensturion

    How? Why? RT @DarrenDreger NHL will award NJ 30th pick instead of the 1st round pick as usually determined. Also forgiving $1.5 mil of fine.

    Lamoriello is probably threatening Bettman with his mafia henchmen…

    • SuperSENS

      It’s cause Kovalchuk retired to go play in the KHL.

  • runningbear1974

    Our team is very fragile… It needs a lot of pieces to be working right to work as a whole… It seems to me Maclean is attempting to make the team more robust… Able to handle various situations…

  • Richard Gough

    Can you still place players after the draft ? If so I think Murray needs to place milo on waivers so he can bring up some youth and give them a try out since there is only 19 games left

    • Doc

      I’m sorry and I don’t want to be rude, but this makes absolutely no sense.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Yeah.. I’ve been pretty sky is falling today, and this may have even somewhat snapped me out of it

  • CUP 2014-15

    WOW !!!!! What the hell everyone, LOL, this is crazy. First question is how the hell is their sooooo much heat on Spezza today. You would think he was a minus 3 last night in 2 minutes of ice time. So we’re not going to the dance, holy shit, that doesn’t mean we just found out our team is relocating. The world is not ending and their is a great core here to build around. Sometimes stuff happens and we want to point a finger and I get that, but a ton of you need to take a pill .LOL.
    I think this is the best Sens site there is and has some great rants that can be enlightening or funny along with those that can make us (me, at least) feel like I know what I am talking about because they are insane. Fact remains that being fans we get upset O.K. get it and for those who remember when I started here in November or so, I was not a fan of PM over his handling of our young D. I still have an issue with a ton of what he has done this year but he’s trying to handle 20 millionaire, highly competitive guys who have been pushed and told their whole life that they are the bomb. Can a coach have an off year like anyone else.
    Just in…….Spezza being looked at as the major reason Russia has moved a division of troops to the boarder with Ukraine, Euge to investigate.

    • Hannibal

      Sens fans “Crimea river!”

      • CUP 2014-15

        LOL, That’s as good as it gets, thanks for a laugh

    • Colin

      It’s pretty much 1 or 2 of the usual ADHD/bi-polar suspects shitting all over Spezza. Ignore ‘em and they will eventually go away.

  • Jacques

    This team got back on track with DaCosta as third C and Zibby on the wing??? Why did we change that? A third line of Hoffman-DaCosta-Zibby would solve a few things!

    • SensChirp

      May ask what “few things” that line would solve?

      • Dirk-Diggler

        The kids play harder than the vets… They want to be in the big league and are not sitting on their 1 way contracts

      • Conor_smythe

        Smith-Neil-Greening

        170 goals in 1315 games

        Surely there is room for improvement on the 3rd line Chirp

        • SensChirp

          I think the Greening-Smith-Neil line is fine if used as a fourth line.

          • Conor_smythe

            why are we paying our 4th liners more money than our 3rd liners?

          • Doc

            You mean besides the fact that those guys are still on their Entry Level Contracts? …….

          • Hax

            1. It’s not your money.
            2. We’re nowhere the cap.
            3. Most teams have talented guys on ELC’s on their third line so having your fourth line cost more is not that rare.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Lol. It may not be ideal, but our 4th liners have been around for a while, so they’ve earned raises. The 3rd line guys are quite a bit younger. I’m okay with the money aspect. MacLean needs to start seeing some of these players for what they are though!

          • Aaron 2.0

            I think you’re completely right, Chirp. As a fourth line that gets limited minutes to bring energy to the game when needed is what they should be doing. In fairness to Smith, he might deserve more minutes than that, but as a line, probably not. The problem is that MacLean seems to think these 3 are a shut-down line. As a result, they get a lot of minutes (thus taking away from others), and against quality competition to boot. Just because they don’t score a lot of goals doesn’t make them a shut-down group. I find his thinking here baffling.

  • Sandy

    I admit I didn’t see the game last night but saw most of the Edmonton game.
    Looks to me like they totally disrespected their opponents figuring they could just float through the game without working hard. Well, that attitude cost them a playoff spot this season.
    McLean is a good coach.. but not sure what he is doing with Ryan right now. Put Ryan-Turris-McArthur back together.. at least they can score. Hopefully you can get some scoring from Hemsky-Spezza-Michalek.. to go with the Turris line.
    At the end of the season get rid of Reeds & especially Cameron. The defense is terrible.. and is regressing not improving. Karlsson only seems to care about the offensive side of his game.. Don’t get me wrong.. I love Karlsson but he has to show he gives a damn on the defensive side. Someone has to do the ‘tough love’ on him… don’t think Reeds is the guy but Richardson would be.
    Bring up Richardson to work with the defense before you lose him to Buffalo. The players on this team respect him a ton… Get in another experienced NHL assistant coach to work on special teams. After watching PP & PK proves to me Cameron doesn’t know what he is doing… he is way out of his league..
    Murray has to find out what is going on between McLean & Ryan. The Sens paid a lot to get Ryan.. but they are risking losing him due to the recent treatment he is receiving from McLean.
    As for trading him to Philly.. why would they bother trading for him. They can just wait until he is a UFA and sign him for nothing. The Sens lose big time if that happens.
    To bad last night’s game happened after the deadline or maybe the Sens could have traded something really good to Anaheim to get their first round pick back.. which will be a lottery pick this year. What a waste.
    Also, is anyone else having problems with this site. When I first enter the site.. the last article is about Conacher & Corvo on waivers?

  • FAB

    I just want to retell a story about Eugene.

    So a guy I met went on the Sens fans trip to Barbados. Most of the
    people who went were season ticket holders or smaller ticket package
    holders.

    Anyways, they get there, and everyone heads over to Burt’s Bar. They
    get there and Eugene meets them. He says, ‘Eat and Drink a lot, we need the money’. No joke.

    No free drinks. No free appetizers. No thank you for coming. One guy
    tried to get a picture with Eugene (god knows why) and Eugene wouldn’t
    stop fiddling with his phone for 5 seconds to look up at the camera.

    These are your core fans. These are the people who spend a ton of cash
    on the Sens and spent even more to go on this trip and that’s how you
    treat them?

    I don’t care how ‘poor’ you are. You are still richer than every single one of those individuals who went on that trip.

    When Melnyk first bought the team, I always thought that trip would be
    amazing. Fun times, a few free drinks at Bert’s, high 5ing the owner
    when the Sens score.. but no.. the guy I talked to said he would never
    go back.

    Melnyk doesn’t appreciate what he has from Sens fans at all.

    • Sandy

      He sounds pretty disgusting really. I’m ready for him to sell.

      • SuperSENS

        You’re ready for him to sell based upon an unverifiable comment by an anonymous user, who doesn’t seem to have made a single comment on SensChirp prior to today? Oy.

    • sben

      Wow. I hope that the sens don’t make the playoffs and he loses money and sells because of that.

      • Ryan_Fitzpatrick

        Do you believe everything you read on the internet from anonymous sources?

        Ok, I heard the Sens are moving to Seattle and being renamed the Battle Cattle.

        • sben

          Not nessecarily based on that guy that made that comment about him selling but I’m saying that if I had the choice I would prefer us missing a playoffs if he would sell because of it.

      • SuperSENS

        You’re wishing for him to lose money and sell the team based upon an unverifiable comment by an anonymous user, who doesn’t seem to have made a single comment on SensChirp prior to today? Oy.

    • Ryan_Fitzpatrick

      I’ve never gone on a Barbados trip but I’ve met Melynk a few times around the city and every time he’s been very friendly, polite and took the time for thanking my friends and I for being Sens fans. He even bought a round for everyone at the Big Rig once.

      Sounds like BS to me.

      • SensChirp

        Yup, I’ve heard people say this as well. Story above is just one guy’s experience. Doesn’t mean he’s that wah with everyone.

        • SENSsmile

          I also find this FAB story really hard to believe. I could be totally wrong, but this “FAB” person could be the same one who calls himself “Fabulous Fabulo” — a known troll on Ottawa Sun discussion boards. Melnyk wouldn’t be where he is today if he were that cheap and stupid.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      I’ve met him a few times and call bs on this

      • FBP

        You’ve met Melnyk three times? You’re practically friends.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    • sben

      this comment has been endorsed by senschirp’s twitter account.

      • SensChirp

        Yea that was in an error in judgement on my part. While I don’t doubt the story is true, I probably shouldn’t have promoted it. Tweet removed.

    • Pobeda1945

      My wife and I met Eugene in Stockholm after the last game (of 2) with the Pens. Very hospitable and took a photo with us without the ‘fiddling’(?). I call BS.

  • Michenator

    How I’d love to see the lines:

    Hemsky-Spezza-Michalek
    MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
    Zibby-Da Costa(?)-Hoffman
    Neil-Smith-Greening*
    Condra*

    Karlsson-Methot
    Ceci-Phillips
    Gryba-Wiercioch
    Cowen*

    *=Odd guys out, I’d love to see them play at their full potential again.

    We’re slowly getting to that part of the season where we have to come to terms with us probably not making the playoffs. So what I hope to see from here on out is a team that cares and gives a shit. End on a good note for next year, where we can hopefully get over the hangover that has been this season.

    • Kohlmanator

      Ryan’s had experience on LW in ANA and Michalek on RW in SJ. I’d like to see:

      Ryan-Spezza-Hemsky
      MacArthur-Turris-Michalek
      Hoffman-Zibanegad-Stone/Condra
      Greening-Smith-Neil

      Cowen-Karlsson
      Methot-Gryba
      Phillips-Ceci

      Hemsky seems to have some good defensive awareness, maybe he can help cover up for Ryan and Spezza. Michalek with Turris and Mac might give him a little boost. I want to see Weircoch in the lineup, but given the extension, there’s Phillips… Cowen can only improve if he plays, yes it will be painful.

    • Simple Jack

      Still dont know what people see in hoffman, he’s played like 20 games and has 0 points, and we put him on our number 1 powerplay and last minutrs ice times??

      Useless, we need to stop playing and making room for guys who dont put up points in the biggs.

      Hemsky also gets like 10 goals a year and makes 5 mil, it makes no sense to get a guy who cant score.

  • Miguel

    PM has been making the” wrong” decisions all year.
    It is clear to me that his ego has gotten the best of him, and his stuborness to continue to penalize our ” real best players” in favor of PM’s personal best players, has cost us an entire season.
    He continually belittles our real best players to prove his useless BS points.
    He benches our best defensive dman, and futher adds insult to injury when he says Methot is out with a boobboo. Well PM you are not dealing with rookie johnny come lately in Methot. He was even on Team Canada’s radar, so your not going to bully him into a corner, and the truth comes out, that you benched him to prove a point, selfish and stupid
    And (and do not want to start another debate on this ) another d-man who has struggled all year, and has made countless mistakes causing us games, and has lost most of his abilities that made him very good, will never miss a shift b/c he works hard, his beloved CP4.
    Ryan has been benched a few times this year ( “I must have kicked his dog”)
    He has sat his Starting Goatender, after a good run
    He plays the useless obvioius 7th round pick, that has proven why he is a 7th round pick in Greening, in all opportunities, and has NEVER sat a game. Fuk he should be on the 4th line in the AHL let alone in the NHL.
    He plays the “the chef” Condra ( chef because he chops the puck like its an onion ) on the top lines, only to miss chance after glorious chance.
    He sits many callups or puts them on the 4th line, in postions where they will obviously fail.
    Forced Cowen to play against the other teams top lines, only to clearly exemplify how unprepared he is for the NHL, and hurt his confidence
    For all the good he has done in Ottawa he has completely destroyed it all by contributing in a large fashion to taking a team with plenty of potential, and making them one of the worst teams in the NHL.
    Not sure how to repair this now, but it is more than clear, that there is some serious dissenion on this team, and it can not be fixed overnight.
    Damn fukin shame is all I can say. BM has to somehow right this ship!

  • runningbear1974

    We’ve done poorly this year with Karlsson and Methot together and with Spezza getting #1 ice time… Unfortunately, with Spezza playing lots of minutes, means we aren’t establishing a system… With Methot and Karlsson together we only have 1 1/2 solid defensive pairings… When we split methot and karlsson, we then can have 3 strong pairings… And, Spezza is better to come in and take advantage of an established pattern, rather than building that pattern…

    • Aaron 2.0

      I think it’s a little unfair to suggest that all players fail to adhere to a system just because of Spezza. If more than a few players are not playing within the system, then there seems to be a disconnect between coaches and players.

      Speeza looked good last night, I thought, at least until the game started getting out of reach, and by then everybody looked bad. Spezza might not be the player he once was, but I don’t see any reason the coach can’t find a role for him to fill. Maybe give him Zibanejad and Hemsky as wingers, and try that? Give them 2nd line minutes behind Turris (w/ Ryan & MarArthur)?

  • Sensnation

    Quite the sens love fest going on in here today. Glad to see fans haven’t lost their way.

    “Faith consists in believing when it is beyond the power of reason to believe.” – Voltaire

    • Miguel

      “Blind faith in your leaders, or anything, can get you killed”… Bruce Springsteen
      Love the Sens as much as you, however their decision making this year has been awful and has set us back quite a bit.

      • Sensnation

        Set us back? I’m not getting into a whining match today, but this is a rebuild, we weren’t supposed to make the playoffs the way we have in the last years. A step backwards is natural, but it doesn’t mean the overall trend isn’t moving upwards. Young team needs a growth season, these are human beings, they need time to develop. Again, patience is key!

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Did we get anything other than Ryan back in that trade?

          • Jacques

            We have a few pieces that can be moved at the draft that will set us up!

            Our Centers for the future look good TUrris-Zibby-Lazar-DaCosta-Grant-smith.

  • Sandy

    So they play Monday at home (going to the game).. then off until Saturday? If I’m McLean.. I’m showing them what hard work is all about…

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      If I’m Maclean in taking my pills and playing the right players the right minutes

    • CUP 2014-15

      If there truly is a disconnect between coach and player then bag skating them is only going to widen the gap. Nobody knows why teams turn their back on coaches but it happens. Maybe all is fine with the relationship only the insiders know but if you hold out any hope of making the post season they need to come together and play every game like a pack of wolves. The team has a day in Banff together before flying out tomorrow. Let’s hope they get their focus and at least give us a full effort for 19 games and go down freakin swinging. The fat lady ain’t singing but she’s stepping up to the mic.

      • Jacques

        What they should do is study other teams Powerplays and zone exits and entries that might help them!

  • Shibal

    My post Olympic opinions:

    Michalek is garbage; came back from the olympics with 0 points, and should have been traded at the trade deadline for anything.

    Hemsky trade was useless; He is only a 2 time 20 goal scorer, and is the same age as Spezza, don’t understand how the fan base has any kind optimism of this pairing working out. You guys say that Hemsky’s numbers were bad because he played on a crappy Edmonton team, but that excuse does not justify the production of Eberle, Hall, Perron, and RNH; all players producing very well on a crappy Edmonton team. I see this Hemsky trade as another Kovalev experiment honestly.

    Hoffman: By now, I think he is just another Cory Conacher. People keep saying he has been playing well, but really, he has nothing to show for it. He has been given plenty of ice time and pp time, yet he has no points. Bobby Ryan and Zib would have loved to have all his pp time, and they probably would have produced something aswell. Stephan Da Costa would way useful to have than Hoffman right now.

    • SuperSENS

      Retort:

      If Michalek is ‘garbage’, who in the right mind would trade for him then? Do you not understand how ridiculous what you’re saying sounds? Simply wishing a player wasn’t on the team doesn’t make it miraculously possible.

      I wouldn’t characterize the Hemsky trade as ‘useless’, considering how little we had to give up to get him. If he ends up developing chemistry for the remainder of the season with whomever he plays with and scores some goals, then you can potentially try to resign him. If he doesn’t, then he walks and nothing of value was lost.

      Hoffman has only played around 11 games in the NHL, compared to Cory Conacher who has played over 100 games in the NHL. Also, Stephane Da Costa has played 47 games in the NHL. There is no comparison to be made there, whatsoever, in regards to opportunity. The fact that you’re so easily willing to give up on a player after only 11 games in the NHL makes me glad that you’re not the general manager of this team.

      • Jacques

        Let our young guys play and Hemsky will surprise, I agree.

        • Shibal

          With the way Michalek, and Spezza has played this season, it’s extremely likely Hemsky will not surprise.

          • Jacques

            I wouldn’t play him with two guys who are on the way out! I agree!

        • FistsofNeil25

          Young guys and Hemsky didn’t get Edmonton anywhere.

          • SuperSENS

            True, but we’re not Edmonton either. We’ll see what happens. As I said above, if there’s good chemistry over the last few games of the season, then I’m sure Bryan Murray will entertain the idea of trying to resign him. If not, then nothing of value was lost in this experiment.

          • Jacques

            He would be an awesome signing, what this guy does is make the other guys on his line better. Some people just look at stats. Watching him back check hard has been a real eye opener. He’s sort of like another Alfie. More slick with the puck and Alfie more of a finisher.

      • Shibal

        With the minutes Hoffman has been getting the past few games, a player of his caliber should at least be able to get a lucky assist or something. Pageau, Zibanejad, Grant, have all produced when they were first called up; playing less minutes than Hoffman at the time when they were called up.

        • Jacques

          Relax he hasn’t looked bad at all, production will come!

          • SuperSENS

            Jacques, I don’t usually agree with you, but this time I do!

          • Jacques

            Come on do we want to keep putting Condra on scoring lines or do we give Hoffman a good look, this season is over people!

        • SuperSENS

          Measuring a player’s value based solely on the number of goals or assists without any context whatsoever is a futile endeavour and more than likely will lead to an erroneous conclusion.

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    Just a quick comment, yes the boys looked terrible in Alberta and I am kinda of loosing faith for the playoffs but then again, we are 4 pts back and I remember a month (January) where the Sens caught fire and went something like 12-2-2. We have the talent to do it and our sched coming up is doable. As frustrated as it makes me watching inconsistent hockey, as a true die hard fan I still have some sort of confidence that they could pull it of. GO SENS GO

  • FistsofNeil25

    I really don’t know what to say without coming across as overly negative today. Something stinks in Ottawa right now. There just seems to be an overwhelming sense of dysfunction around the Senators right now and it starts from the owner on down through the organization.

    Let’s start with the coaching decisions. Let me just say that I’m a big supporter of Paul Maclean. I think he is a coach that can bring a Stanley Cup to Ottawa. I honestly do. I don’t support the idea of firing the man and I also realize that since he just signed that contract extension that means he’s not going anywhere. Melnyk wouldn’t allow Murray to fire yet another head coach and have to pay out the remainder of his contract. It’s not going to happen.

    With that being said, like Chirp mentioned there just seems to be some sort of power struggle going on between Maclean and his best players this season. It started with the handling of Zibanejad, then he butted heads with Methot, the we saw Ryan’s ice time take a hit. The list goes on..

    Maclean acknowledged that his team doesn’t play hard enough. Why is that exactly? Often when team’s aren’t working hard enough it’s because they no longer believe in the system or their coaching staff. I sure hope Maclean hasn’t lost the room.

    I really hope Maclean learns a lot from this season and that he comes back next year with a better idea of how to manage his players. I also hope that Bryan Murray gives his coach a better roster to work with.

  • boom

    This isn’t a sens-specific complaint, more of a rant about how coaches in the NHL are sheep. It’s been going on for a while now, and almost every team does it – hence my sheep comment.

    On the PP, the defenceman will carry it through the neutral zone and then drop it to the trailer (usually the center) who will carry it in with speed. I see all the teams do it, and rarely do i see it lead to a good entry.

    Back in the day, when I coached kids, (the fact that I coached means nothing, I only mention it to provide context) I used to tell the kids that I didn’t care how they gained the zone – i just wanted it done in a way that would allow as many of them to be skating at top speed when they crossed the blue line. I always thought that speed into the zone from as many players as possible was the best attack.

    This whole drop pass gimmick means that you have one guy with speed (puck carrier) and four guys standing still, or, at best, coasting and waiting..

    End of Rant. I apologize for the length. (never had to say that before…)

    • Jacques

      And if he f’s the entry it’s a breakaway the other way. Not a fan either to be honest.

  • Tim

    We have lost a lot of scoring punch down here, but I am looking forward to Saturday with the new D arrivals. Going into playoffs I see Sdao and Blood pushed out. Speed and lack of scoring punch hurts both of them

    • Jacques

      At least prince is still there.

    • boom

      Who are the two best D down there? Is it Classen and Boro?

      • Tim

        Claesson and Wideman in my opinion

        • boom

          Thanks, I had a feeling you might say that. When Boro was up here, he looked fine, but I have heard good things about Wideman, as well. He’s more of a puck-mover eh?

          • Jacques

            When you watch a lot of the clips of games, it seems like Boro is on the ice for a lot of goals against, you rarely see Claessen in the highlights on the ice for goals against. Don’t forget Claessen played in the world juniors for Sweden. There is a lot more to this. Guy! Wideman is all offence and Claessen has a bit of everything to his game, a tough swede.

        • CUP 2014-15

          I like Wideman’s mobility and he is slick with the puck but he can’t be much bigger then JGP if he is at all.

    • Simple Jack

      Hows dany new looking? He seemed to be one of our best during the sens rookie tournament.

      • Tim

        Danny has been phenominal. Fan favorite. Rare mistakes, passes well, accurate shot. Very down to earth and humble. He pares very well with Claesson and Boro.

        • CUP 2014-15

          After Heatley and Alf, this team is not allowed any more Danny’s Dan’s Dany’s or Daniels. That’s that. He needs to change his name. Still Love Alfie though.

  • Tim

    And congrats to 2 former B-Sens…Roman Wick, And the mutha Fucking Daugs being the 2nd and 4th leading scorer in the Swiss league this year! miss beers at Dillinger’s with the Daug!

    • Jacques

      Talk to us about Prince, Pageau ,and stone! How are they looking?

  • Sandy

    A few games this season, the team looked like world beaters. They won against some really good teams. Then the last 2 games and a lot of others… they look disinterested..
    This team is so inconsistent it’s so frustrating. If we as fans are frustrated with them.. what do you think the coaching staff & management are going through?

  • Tim

    Prince has a ton of talent but lacks a work ethic. Been a healthy scratch even this late in the season. Pageau plays with a ton of energy and heart. But his size will hold him back at the NHL level unless people expect less points from him. Stone has the hands and shot, but no legs and struggles to play D. Also he worries me as injury prone at this point. Always seems to miss large chunks of games. Anyone else? I am coming in hot tonight folks.

    • A-Train

      uh oh….the prospect-porn crowd is not going to like this cold dose of reality.

      • Jacques

        It’s one person’s opinion like yours, I know you want us to bring back Brad Marsh!

        • A-Train

          I’d settle for bringing back Marshy’s…

    • CUP 2014-15

      LOL, Hi Tim and thanks. In regards to Stone’s injuries, I also find it a bit bothersome until you look back at the early days for a lot of our Sens including Alfie, he could not stay on the ice for about 4 yrs. LOL. With JGP, I am also concerned about his size but there are more then a dozen forwards in the NHL smaller then him so not giving up. What’s your view of Puemple?

      • Tim

        Puemple is Like Prince EXCEPT a lot more physical, Slightly better shot, will drop the gloves. Needs to work a bit more on the passing but not much

        • CUP 2014-15

          Thanks Tim, Sounds like he could be a good fit down the road with Zibby and Lazar. Just dreaming

        • boom

          Like Prince in terms of (lack of) work ethic, or talent?

  • Tim

    My biggest flops this year have to be DD, Buddy Robinson, Troy Rutkowski,

    • Shibal

      What’s your opinion on Puempel? He seems to have scored a bunch of goals this season playing mostly third line minutes.

      • Tim

        Outside of the Hoffman/Dacosta/Schneider line really is no distinguishing 2nd 3rd 4th line for the majority of the year. So many of these guys are interchangeable.

        • Jacques

          Been spoiled this year, highest scoring team in the league!

  • FistsofNeil25

    Murray has done a great job re-stocking the farm system and rebuilding this team, but is anyone a little worried about who’s going to come up and try to match the offensive production that we’ve been getting out of our top forwards the last decade?

    We have an abundance of good young talent coming up through the ranks but I don’t see any potential top line offensive forwards anywhere in the system. I don’t see anyone capable of replacing the kind of production we saw from Alfie and Spezza over the years.

    What do you guys think?

    • CUP 2014-15

      I think the team has hit home runs with it’s last three 1st rounders and could see them as a line and a very scary one in a few years… Peumple Zibby Lazar

      • Jacques

        Not worried you have TUrris,Zibby,Lazar. Good solid offensive and responsible forwards. Plus all the offence from Karlsson and Ceci!

        • A-Train

          Let’s wait before we anoit Lazar and Ceci as the next Sens superstars. (i know, too late).

          Turris and Zibanejad are great, but I’m not yet sold that they will be the top forwards on a Cup contender.

          So I am a little worried…at the moment we are lacking true premium talent in the system. Maybe one of our later picks becomes the next Alfie or Getzlaf, but they are the exception to the rule.

          • Jacques

            And Spezza is a star, he’s more of a joke Fellow than a star nowadays! TUrris and Zibby did well last year, and TUrris plays like a first line center and will only get better? TUrris takes so many d zone draws to spare giggles! get rid of that and TUrris might have half a dozen more points. This team is in good shape, just needs the right leader.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Our closest to an actual first line winger plays fourth line minutes….

          • Jacques

            Exactly.

    • Aaron 2.0

      I think it’s a fair concern. That’s mainly just a product of never being really, really bad I guess. We’ve drafted sort of high a few times, but not enough to get that sort of high-end talent. I agree that we may have to score more by committee. But, on the flip side, that’s not terrible if all your lines can play responsible up-tempo hockey. Having 1 great line did us pretty good in the past, but it never got us the whole way; teams find ways to shut it down (although we came oh so close). I think the goals will be there, provided the team doesn’t crumble due to loss of UFAs. That’s my biggest concern to be honest. If the deadline taught us anything, it’s that the internal budget is real, and ownership is enforcing it tightly (Hemsky’s salary retained by EDM, waiving Conacher).

    • runningbear1974

      Spezza, Alfie, Yashin, Daigle, Hossa, Havlat… Those guys didn’t win us cups… Those guys didn’t really make us serious contenders… We had 1 lucky year in the playoffs against easy opposition… We won every series 4-1… That 2007 team couldn’t beat the top team nowadays…
      Those are not the types of players we should be aiming for… Lets not look at repeating the past… Lets look at successful teams, and successful systems to figure out what to do…

  • Jacques

    Here a little bingo footage, you’ll get a taste for wideman, love what you see from DaCosta. Watch till the end you’ll see the second goal from Syracuse’s Connolly, why I’ve been saying Murray should’ve made a play for him, Tampa wanted a D-man at the Deadline for him! He’s a top 5 pick, would’ve been another TUrris steal! Maybe at the draft!
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TB2VRW7IriE

    • Jacques

      Connolly undresses Boro-Cop.

  • Jacques

    To score goals you just have to know where to go and finish. Playing a complete game like this future Sen!

    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LfwNfG44k6U

    • A-Train

      Alright …. not trying to troll you here but is ANYONE playing D for Regina? I’ve seen better coverage from the Sens on a Sunday afternoon game in L.A. (sorry).

      Vids like these are fun to watch (thanks for posting) but I caution against taking them as evidence that we have the next Toews on our hands.

      • Jacques

        They sort of play D like Cowen and Spezza a little , I agree! the message here is go to the net and don’t be afraid to get your block knocked of once and awhile and anybody can score goals! This kid does it all the time!

      • Jacques

        Sens cover Better , what hockey have you been watching, we’ve given up the second most goals.

        • A-Train

          I’m starting you understand you now.

  • Roar…

    I read this on HFBoards this morning. I think all Sens fans should probably read it. SC I’d appreciate if you posted this guys words as chirp of the week.

    For all the ups and downs, I enjoy you all. Like a big dysfunctional family

    It’s not easy being a Sens fan, but it isn’t easy being the fan of any team. Remember it was only a few short years ago that Chicago was coming out of some of the darkest days in their history. The leafs are STILL toiling in a decade of mediocrity. The Pens were terrible before Crosby, etc…

    The reality is that the fans of every team have their own host of issues that make being a fan an exercise in manic depression. Experience, and perhaps a touch of perspective can help fans moderate the downs while still enjoying the highs (perhaps a dose of medication, prescribed or not can help too .

    Our Sens

    Coaching: We have a very young coach, so we can either let him work through his own ups and downs, or we can turn on him at first chance. The choice is an individual one, however, I feel as though it’s the price that gets paid for having a coach new to the job. We have had several new ones that have flamed out, or have been terrible from the get go, and now we have one that has been terrific for his first few seasons, and is now dealing with his own adversity for the first time. I imagine that he will spend the summer looking at what went wrong, and work hard to make changes in his own style to help the team move forward. He seems like the kind of guy that takes his fair share of the blame.

    He deserves the same chance we all do, to be able to take a step back this summer and make some corrections to the game this team plays. If we have another year of sliding then we can revisit the situation, but you can’t be a long term coach without some downs to go with the ups.

    Forwards: We have a great group of forwards in general, and we have little problem scoring. Spezza has been awesome since coming back from injury, and has been getting better and better. I know that some will hate him because “he had 4 drop passes” in a game, but I just ignore that confirmation bias stuff now. He has his faults, but they pale in comparison to his benefits. He continues to be our best forward. He looked good with Hemsky, and I’m hoping that continues to grow. Skill in the top 6 is what we need.

    I would like us to be looking at lines like this going into camp baring moves (Hemsky/Michalek could be replaced with other players via trade/UFA):

    Lazar – Spezza – Hemsky
    Mac T – Turris – Ryan
    Michalek – Zib – Hoffman
    Stone – Smith – Neil

    Lots of skill here, and a nice spread of speed and skill on each line.

    Defence: We have a VERY young group here, and if we listen to what Murray has said, he likes the group but understands that they needs games under their collective belts before expecting more. He seems to view the defensive woes as growing pains, and I’m inclined to agree. We can ‘build’ a contender without giving our young players a chance to grow. The last couple years have created unrealistic expectations, but the reality is that we were running one fumes, and on rookie enthusiasm. We also had an unknown team to the rest of the league, whereas our players are known now, and we are expected to play competitively.

    I would like to see our young guys be given the chance to grow. The reality is that we SHOULD be a bottom 10 team at this stage of our rebuild, and would be were it not for the strength of our goaltending and offence. Defence is where we really see the rebuild of our team, coincidentally, defence is the hardest and most expensive part to build. We already have some beautiful pieces, they just need to gain experience and develop.

    Karlsson – Methot
    Ceci – Gryba
    Open spot/Phillips – Cowen

    7th spot should be held by a guy like Carkner was for us.

    Trades: We have the young assets to package to upgrade at any area on the team, it just has to be the right move. Sure there are options, but we need to make sure it’s a Turris type deal. We’ll have to trade some roster players, and we’ll have to trade some prospects, simply because there isn’t room. The time is this summer as some of the young guys need NHL burn time now, so I expect a trade for a good young player with contract, basically a Ryan or Turris type trade, a guy that will join us for the future.

    Goaltending: Is awesome! Lehner needs time as we have seen this year, and as he’s seen. Andy has been great for us, not that he hasn’t had his downs, but he was allowed to work through it and has done so. Lehner will be great and will likely get more games next year. Ease him into the NHL role… Prospects are looking decent as well.

    Leadership: This is a tough area to qualify. It seems like when we lose it’s because the leadership sucks, and when we win, it’s not the leadership. guys having off games, or a lack of intensity on the ice is attributed to leadership, or lack thereof. Essentially, it has opened up another avenue to criticize Spezza, Neil, and Phillips. The problem is that it’s all conjecture. We really have no idea who has influence, and what is said and done behind closed doors. We hear rumours and turn them into hundreds of ‘factual’ posts. Without ever having been in a leadership position, it’s difficult to understand what is required from a person. Also, the dynamic of a particular group requires different things from leaders, and this dynamic changes as bodies arrive and leave, and as people get older. Less what is said, more what is done. A leader first and foremost needs to lead by example.

    Spezza, for all his detractors does this in my mind. Before you all harp on the drop passes and slow back checks, I will qualify this by saying that he has been injured, has to work within the constraints of his body, and is an offensive catalyst. Spezza is always driving the offence, is always dangerous in the offensive zone, and is always looking to set up players in position to score goals. The healthier physically he is, be more dynamic this becomes. He is NOT a two way force, he is an OFFENSIVE force, and his lead by example is from his area of strength. Anything else is unrealistic for the player in question, not that he is bad defensively. He’s the guy the team looks to get them back into the game by scoring or creatings coring chances.

    Neil is similar. He leads by example by doing what he is good at; hitting, crashing, and fighting. He can’t be looked at to score goals, he can’t be expected to bring clutch offence, and he can’t be expected to fly down the wing. As long as he’s working his skillset hard, he’s doing his job, and leading by example. He’s the guy the team looks to to set a physical tone, protect players, and punish.

    Phillips is a tough area. His skills have deteriorated, and he can’t play a punishing game. He is able to elevate, but just can’t move fast enough anymore. It’s good for the organization to create legacies, especially for players that want to stay, but he’s a bottom pairing guy that has a TON of experience in the league. His leadership is likely best shown in the locker room, as well as playoff games as he tends to leave everything on the ice.

    Keep in mind, Spezza is in his first year as a captain of the team. There is a learning curve as he realizes and experiences how the buck stops with him. If we remember back, Alfie struggled in his first years as captain, it’s only after several years for good and bad, that we finally accepted him as ‘the captain’. The A’s are where they should be. Phillips and Neil are senator royalty and have bled for the team. The young guys can still be vocal, but they should aspire to have the longevity, the reverence, and the loyalty that these vets have shown. Young players need to have things to earn, and need to value the vets of the team, and the letters. We aren’t the Oilers, our letters are given once earned over a consistent period of time.

    Senator Culture and reverence is not the same as every other team. Each team has an identity and a way things go (like not stepping on the logo in the dressing room). We need to be careful how we judge things from the outside.

    Guiding my understanding and emotions towards our team are:

    - year 3 of rebuild
    - lots of youth on the team
    - year of transition
    - new identity forming with new young core and new captain
    - first bit of real diversity for this group from coach down

    Clearly I had the morning off

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      I don’t really disagree with any of this…. But I will say…. Sticking with a coach that is too pig headed and stubborn to play the best players in the best situations won’t leave many of the other problems to worry about.

      I mean why make another ryan/Turris deal if they are going to be stuck on the fourth line or the bottom d pairing.

      • A-Train

        This person wrote a very thoughtful post….but I’m seeing (s)he has Curtis Lazar as our first line winger heading into camp.

        I’m sure it’s a product of a frustrating season, but the expectations for this player are becoming laughable.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          Yeah I missed that on my phone….He will be the next scapegoat.

          • Jacques

            This from the guy who loves Phillips(greatest signing ever) and now putting down Lazar. Thanks A- Train you know your hockey!

          • A-Train

            Come back to reality. As you yourself point out, slotting Lazar in as our first line winger next season is a stretch.

          • Jacques

            I didn’t make that comment though did I.

          • Colin

            Doh!

          • Roar…

            As referenced at the very top, it’s not my words. Just some guy on HF boards. I think the sentiment of the fact that this team is still in the building phase is the important thing to take out of it. The lofty expectations placed on the team this year were unrealistic. We all know we made the playoffs last year because Anderson & Lehner played out of their minds. That really was the only reason. If the season was 2-3 weeks longer we probably would have missed – we were fading badly at the end. It was a feel good story, this year is more back to reality. Especially with losing Gonchar & Alfie we shouldn’t have expected it to be so easy.

          • bluebuyyoo

            Hey Jacques!

            Were you the kid at the park that thought he knew everything and everyone ignored so he stood at the top of the slide shouting his head off not letting anyone else use the slide?

          • Jacques

            No you were Spezza lover! I think you must be referencing something you went through!

        • Jacques

          Most scouts say he’ll play right away in the NHL. Probably third line though! Not first I’ll give you that.

          • Tooks

            He’ll probably do a short stint in the AHL and he should, IMO.

      • Tooks

        Yeah no kidding, good post gone bad. Just alot of excuses for the mistakes we made this year.

    • Sandy

      Surely some food for thought… I guess we expect too much this season…
      Good article for sure..

    • runningbear1974

      Sweet… So, from the sounds of it… Just keep doing what we’re doing and it will work out…. Awesome… I guess we’ll see whether or not this is a good strategy in the next couple of years… It is a fact that we are creating a legacy… What exactly we are creating we’ll find out…

      • Tooks

        Yeah cuz doing what were doing has worked all year…

  • Sandy

    As bad as the Sens have been.. the Canucks are worse. Down 3-0 in the first half of the first period.. Dallas has 3 goals on 8 shots. Boy did Gillis mess that up…

    • aegiszx

      Gills dropped the ball BIG time… funny how even Schneider commented on it the other day.

      So not only did they let go of the winningest coach in franchise history, they also lost their 2 elite goalies, let mason raymond (MISMANAGED AS FUCK UGH IM SO GLAD HES OUTTA THERE), and traded a bonafide no.1C for kassian, who will make his name as a rugged 2nd/3rd liner… And how does Gillis still have a job again?

  • sell the team Eugene
  • sens88

    Washington lost, Columbus lost, TB lost, and Detroit is currently tied with Colorado. It’s not over till it’s over.

    But seriously, it’s probably over…

  • my2sens

    I am sick of hearing it’s over. The fat lady is certainly warming up, but she may have a stroke first.

    It IS doable. Three 5 game win streaks, with a loss in between each…, coupled with losses from other division rivals…

    If you don’t believe in your team, go cheer for the Nordiques.

    Go Sens Go!! It ain’t over until it is over!!

    • Moudy Mahfouz

      I agree as well, look at the month of January we pulled off a record of like 12-2-2. and we were playing like absolute shit before that. Why cant we do it now. The scoreboard last night certainly went our way. Now lets pick up some points starting tomorrow.

      • Tooks

        With Smith, Neil and Greening leading the way! I’m in!

    • Tooks

      Its over…

      • Moudy Mahfouz

        its over when the Sens have played 82 games and are not in the top 8…not with 19 games left..I get you guys have no faith as they been playing shitty but then again, I have a good feeling

    • Doc

      I like your enthusiasm, and I get what you’re saying, but what makes you think that suddenly the Sens will turn it around and start going on a streak with 19 games left in the season?

      We won 5 games once, and before that we couldn’t win two in a row.

      If it happens I’ll happily eat crow. But right now I’d rather be surprised than disappointed.

  • SensGod

    For me each loss hurts twice. Firstly it puts us that much further from a playoff spot. Secondly we have no first round pick. So there is no “gain” from our loss.

  • Conor_smythe

    its nice to see Maclean finally skating the heck out of the team.

    His timing kind of stinks as it might come back to bite us this afternoon but he definitely has the right idea.

    I would love it he ran more practices like that, instead of waiting til we lose a bunch of games. If we’re capable of practicing at a higher intensity level, why aren’t we doing it every practice?

    practice makes perfect? no

    perfect-practice makes perfect

    JMO

  • aegiszx

    What does Neiler think he is doing engaging Cowen like that… The kid is a 9th pick overall, franchise D, just signed a new contract., and Neiler is trying to run him outta town!? Know youre role man!!

    • Spoons

      Wow. Talk about missing the point! Neil may just have planted some fire into Cowen.

    • Hannibal

      Maybe he needed that to wake him up

  • Loyd

    Am I missing something? The last comment on this site is from 2 days ago? Also don’t see a game day post for the Saturday win….the last post I can see is the Hemsky trade deadline post…