Anderson, Spezza Lead Sens in Washington- Highlights

SensChirp January 22, 2014 288
Anderson, Spezza Lead Sens in Washington- Highlights

-I’m not sure why but I almost have a sense of personal vindication every time Jason Spezza has a good game. And it shouldn’t be that way. I’ll admit his critics have always bugged me but now that he’s wearing the C, it’s seems to be as bad as it’s ever been. Spezza was the best player on the ice last night and seems to be moving a little better the past couple weeks.  He obviously hasn’t had a great season to date but there are clear signs of improvement. If he can stay healthy and produce down the stretch, the Ottawa Senators will be a very dangerous team.

-Same goes for Craig Anderson. Fans have been pretty hard on him this season and a lot of the criticism has been justified. But Paul MacLean has made it abundantly clear that Anderson is this team’s number one goalie. And if that’s the case, he needs to get on a bit of a run down the stretch if Ottawa is going to push for a playoff spot. Last night was certainly a step in the right direction.

-Really liked what both Eric Gryba and Patrick Wiercioch brought to the blueline last night. Wiercioch was strong on the power play and Gryba defended well in his own end. You could actually make a pretty strong case for both guys being in the line up regularly but there just isn’t room back there right now. Marc Methot is expected to return to the line up on Thursday night.

-There is this misconception among some mainstream media (that don’t watch Ottawa very often) that Erik Karlsson is soft. While he’s never going to be a defenceman that overpowers people in front of the net, his ability to play the angle and use his stick to defend makes him more effective than people realize in his own end. And unlike other defenceman, he doesn’t have to “defend” as often because he’s carrying the puck up the ice and towards the opposition’s net. But I’m sure if you ask Nathan Mackinnon and Mikhail Grabovski, they’ll tell you Karlsson is anything but soft.

-As a result of the major snowstorm hitting the US right now, the schedule has been shuffled a little bit for the Senators. They’ll still play Thursday in Tampa Bay but rather than racing to Carolina for a game Friday night, they’ll get an extra day off and avoid what would have been a tough back to back. The bad news is the game against Carolina has been moved to Saturday at Noon. Afternoon games have not been kind to the Sens this season.

-Things got a little heated between Senators fans and Caps supporters and media last night after this tweet from the Senators official Twitter account rubbed people the wrong way. One Caps media guy really seemed to take offense to the tweet but seemed to have relaxed on the issue a bit this morning. Maybe a little bit of hatred between the two Nation’s capitals is a good thing. I know I never forgave the Capitals for this Calle Johansson empty netter. Just put it in the damn net, Calle!

 

  • OverMind

    i’d like to hear more about what TSN.ca mentioned last night about buffalo’s Moulson potentially becoming a senator. Hear anything to this effect Chirp?

    • SensChirp

      What they said is that the Senators and Kings would be among the teams interested leading up to the deadline. Buffalo will have a ton of teams calling about Moulson. You can catch the Insider Trading segment here…

      http://www.tsn.ca/videohub/?collection=72&show=279319

      • SensChirp

        And no, I haven’t heard anything specific on this front. Does seem to make some sense as he’d be a great fit with Spezza (I think). And surely Tim Murray could find a prospect (or two) in the system that is of interest to him.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          I mentioned yesterday but I would MUCH prefer him lined up with Zibby and Conacher…that would be one hell of a tough and skilled line to play against.

          So who would that leave for Spezza Michalek and greening?

          Still not too shabby they have had chemistry in the past

        • MethotToMyMadness

          I’d love to find out where the Teams, who become among the interested, get on that interested list? Do these guys have a real inside trace, or are they just throwing Ottawa in the mix, since BM said he’s looking for a top 6? Seems to me, they are just making up the news.

          • A-Train

            Not too long ago I heard a radio interview with Canucks GM Mike Gillis that basically answered this question for me. General Managers are constantly on the phone to each other talking about players on an almost daily basis — inquiring who might be available, gauging interest in their own assets. These conversations get around — either through lower-level staffers talking or the GMs themselves leaking information (or sometimes misinformation).

            While some “rumours” are undoubtedly made up, the more respected reporters will go with information based on contacts they know to have some kind of access to the guys at the top.

        • NickofTime

          Trade: Del Zotto to Nashville for Klien.
          http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=441890

  • FBP

    Andy looked amazing last night.

    It was interesting to watch the power play play where Spezza went for a skate to center ice. Would have been awesome if it resulted in a goal.

  • sben

    There was indeed some anger after the comment:

    mikhail grabovsky:

    “@Senators: Always a pleasure to visit the other nation’s capital when we leave with two points. #ThanksObama” fuck you

    • SensChirp

      Should clarify that is a parody account haha

      • sben

        whoops.

    • PraiseAlfie11

      Fake account…saw that too, then looked at other tweets. No way that’s a pro player tweeting :)

  • senate19

    So first off, I thought Ferraro and Gordo were fantastic in their commentary last night. If TSN gets regional rights for Sens games, I hope they come along too. Really, really, good, honest play calling.

    Regarding Spezza, when he scored and Gord referred to him as the captain, it was kinda surreal, as if I had forgotten. And then I realized the weight he must be carrying on his shoulders, while struggling with supposed injuries. Put a big smile on my face, and I wouldn’t be surprised to see Spezza take an Alfie-like discount to stay with the team. He’s the captain and he’s always wanted to be captain. He’s selfless and will help the team in any way he can. My guess, anyway.

    +Karlsson is a beast

    • Hax

      They’re way better than most of the CBC guys for sure. Though Gord did call MacArthur Smith a couple times and got Ryan and MacArthur mixed up once as well. Not a big deal and if he calls more Sens games I’m sure he’ll get better at that. Ferraro actually manages to come off impartial and informed – maybe Healey should seek him out for guidance?

    • CUP 2014-15

      well said 19, just one thing that bothers me about Ferraro. He has taken the opportunity in every Sens game to mention that the team has split up it’s top line of MM, JS and BR in order to spread the scoring around. If he would follow the team he would know this is way off base. I can assure you next TSN game he will talk about how the Sens were forced to break up their top line.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Great game, Sens played all ends of the ice very well. Washington had chances, but Ottawa did a great job letting Andy see the puck. I’ve always felt Andy does better when he faces at least 30 shots in a game and it showed last night. I recall someone pointing out this fact last year, where he won almost every game he played when more than 30 shots were directed at him. I wish people would stop harping on Andy. Yes Lehner can play and yes he got a shutout in his last game. But Andy is the starter and he showed us all why last night

    While Spezza isn’t being labeled the #1 C, he played the Minutes last night that would say otherwise. As Chirp noted, he’s been getting a little better each game. I think a lot of it is health as well as less pressure not having to face the top lines each night. As a head Coach, when facing Ottawa, what do you do? Do you match up against the Turris line, or still put your best out against Spezza and company? While Ottawa continues this experiment, it must be hard for the opposition to figure out how to handle it.

    Not happy about the Sat afternoon game, but I do like the idea of the Sens getting the extra days rest. Tampa will be a much harder team to play than Washington, looking forward to snagging 2 points from Bishop. Go Sens!

  • MethotToMyMadness

    So the Sens get the win they needed. Then out of nowhere comes Columbus with a 7th straight win, jumping into the last wild card spot with 54 points, leaving Ottawa out yet again.

    It’s one thing to be continually bounced by Toronto in the standings, who also have been on a hot streak of late. But Columbus? Yes, they are a much better team then people give credit, but I don’t think anyone expected these last 14 points, propelling them this far into the race. I guess it goes to show you, anything can happen with a good run. The East has just become even harder to predict.

  • Andrews theory

    I’ve wanted to see PW back in the line up for quite some time, you don’t get better by not playing and he has a very high ceiling IMO. Look around the league at what teams are willing to offer up for a 40 point defensman.

    Would love Moulson in Ottawa but I’d be surprised if Tim doesn’t try to re-up him and keep him in a Sabres uniform with a letter on his shirt. Sabres need to retain some quality veteran leadership or they’ll be on the Oilers never ending rebuild path…

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    I only was able to catch the last period of last nights game but is it just me or when Wiercioch is on the PP, things look so smooth and the PP look good. I am very high on this kid, he should def be playing over Phillips or Gryba and maybe even Cowen. Huge next 3 games for the boys, and that Columbus game next week could determine our faith for the playoffs. Man I hate tuesday night classes…GO SENS GO

  • runningbear1974

    I believe the trick to Spezza is to play him will less skilled, more hard working types… That way he tries to score goals… If you play him with skilled players, he skates the puck to the boards and launches the puck to someone else to try and score… Good game Spezza… Good game Smith and Condra…

  • Zelle

    About the dislike on Spezza and Andy, I agree, and I’ll admit I’ve been hard on Spezza as well. But what about the hate on the Paulrus? I actually think he’s doing a good job; I mean, it can’t be easy coaching a young team rebuilding, with the only two “stars” on the team having some issues (Spezza with injury, Karlsson personally).

    • sprucesens

      yeah, both spezza and andy have more than deserved the criticism this year. As fans we don’t get to know, for how long injuries have hampered spezza, but we only see the end product. So we have to give him the benefit of the doubt. Andy, we knew would regress to a more normal SV% but he fell hard and fast, beyond what should be acceptable. Luckily, he has finally seem to find his form again, and not costing us games.
      Pmac is starting to keep a little more consistency in his lineups now, barring injuries. The only ? every games seems to be 2nd and 3rd D pairings, and sometimes bizarre goalie rotation, and even more so, why a goalie doesn’t get pulled. Must have some sort of philosophy on that, because there has been a few times where a goalie should have been pulled, but wasn’t, and that goes for both of them.
      But the team is trending in the right direction. I still think we have too many bodies and maybe try to package a few for an upgrade. Unfortunately, stone’s injury likely slowed that down a bit. Hopefully Da Costa can earn some playing time

    • The Apostle

      I’m a big fan of people who automatically assume that the coach is an idiot because he does something they disagree with.

      • SensChirp

        So much more goes into a Coach’s decision than what we see during games. People (myself included) seem to forget that sometimes.

        • runningbear1974

          The part that bothers me is that people don’t even try and think of why he’s made a certain decision…

      • Hax

        Definitely. It’s the easiest thing to debate (scratches, line combos, goalies etc) but as Chirp points out collectively we all know next to nothing compared to MacLean. I think some people just present their opinions too harsh (harshly?) rather then actually think MacLean is wrong/dumb.

    • A-Train

      There is a growing element to the fan base that seems to want any player over 30 traded or waived.

      It’s a byproduct of the rebuild years I think. And I understand the excitement around young players.

      But people forget the contributions veterans make to winning teams — just go through the past few Cup-winning rosters.

  • Hax

    I feel the same way about Spezza and Anderson (no shock to most people here since I’m the unofficial apologist for all Sens). I think it’s actually fair that expectations are heightened for both though. You don’t get to be elite without extremely high expectations and dealing with them.

    And could not agree more on Karlsson. He’s a small guy so he’s not going to wear himself down throwing big hits often – he’s more likely to just angle a guy off the puck or pick his pocket. But that doesn’t mean he can’t. I’ve though all along that he should try to throw one big hit every few games – or basically often enough to remind teams he can to it so nobody takes liberties.

    • The Apostle

      Most of the “Karlsson can’t defend” comments come from dinosaurs who only equate good defence with knocking people over and think that a 6’4 blueliner is automatically better than a 6’0.

      Can you win consistently with 6 blueliners all around 6 feet, probably not, but you also won’t win with a bunch of giants who can’t make an outlet pass either.

      Karlsson is a good player because he uses his mental and physical attributes well, we know this because we see it game in and game out. Does he do some things I’m not keen on, of course he does. Every player does. If Karlsson hit as often as a Gryba or Methot he would get injured, because his frame isn’t built for that, but that doesn’t mean he can’t or will never hit somebody, it’s just that normally he doesn’t need to.

      It’s probably time people stopped wishing that Karlsson remains the passing god that he is but put on 30 pounds and grow three inches. It probably isn’t going to happen.

      • Miguel

        agree witht his, the days of Frankenstiens on D are long gone… he speed and angling D like EK and Ceci are the new ways to defend. Not saying that a big strong D ala Gryba and Methot are gone, but if you do not have quick feet in today’s NHL you will go the way of the Dodo bird ala Mike Komiserik.

  • Cicero

    I thought Spezza’s game was vastly improved last night. I don’t recall any horrific blind passes, reverse hook passes across the width of the ice, and so on. If he continues to play straight-ahead hockey, I will be able to cut down on my heart pills.

    Returning to form after surgery has got to be challenging, regardless of what the doctors say about readiness. Core strength may be there, but core vulnerability (surgery is a form of trauma) probably takes a lot longer to play through and dispel. On top of this, there’s the matter of the pressure of the C. The stronger he gets (mentally not just physcially), the more we’ll see Spezza use his size and skill in forechecking, puck control in the O-zone, and using his body to get into open ice.

    His wingers play better when he’s playing smart and within the system. High-risk passes seem to me to be a sign of him trying too hard.

  • Hax

    I was a bit worried about our third pairing going into this game but they did look good. Not quite ready to trade Methot for a forward of course (not that I would anyway), but hopefully a sign of things to come from Gryba and Wiercioch.

  • FistsofNeil25

    As much as I like Zibby at center with Conacher and Michalek, I think it’s time to break up that line. Zibanejad showed just how good he can be when Spezza was injured. Now that Spezza’s returned and Maclean continues to show his loyalty to Smith, #93′s ice-time has taken a huge hit. He’s way too good of a player to just be playing 11-12 minutes. He’s one of the top forwards on the team and deserves to be played as one. I’d personally like to see Michalek-Spezza-Zibanejad together for a few games.

    I also still don’t understand why we called up Da Costa. He absolutely deserved the call up, but how is he supposed to show what he’s capable of with Greening and Neil as his line mates?

    • sprucesens

      yeah, that’s the one thing that I was left wanting more of yesterday, and just about every other game. ZIBBY! every time he gets the puck, he just looks so confident and makes clean smart rushes. Exciting times ahead for him! Agreed on da costa. He more than deserves a better shot at an offensive role, than being paired with greening and neil on the 4th. Turris, spezza or zib would struggle on that line too, so why would we expect him to excel? Good that he is at least getting his chances though I guess. Not long and he’ll be getting passed by for guys like lazar, puemple, prince, pageau again, and so on. I’d like to include Hoffman on that list, but it seems like he just won’t ever make it. Why we don’t give him the chance, I don’t know…

  • Miguel

    Nice Road win for our Sens… a couple of game notes
    - Great game by Spezza, when he is on he is a man amongst boys, just imagine if he had anyone with hands playing with him? Greening and Condra ( really 2 7th round draft picks on his wing??? And people blame him??? ) they have the hands of stone, they should be chefs the way they chop at that puck. Really though you can see what he can do when he is on the PP with other talent, he need to play with anyone that can handle a pass, return a pass, and once and a while bury a chance. We are lucky to have him, I only wish we would use him more appropriately
    - PW and Gryba have both earned the right to play full time, this was a great game by Andy, but any goalie will tell you without the D in front of them, it is not possible. When Methot comes back it is time for CP4 to have a maintenance day
    -Karlsson is amazing, if you look at all the chances he created, and almost scored on… he is a complete player, and does not get the credit he deserves in snuffing out opposing rushes
    - Finally Cowen, not sure what to say, yes he has improved, but still is no where near where he once was, or where he needs to be,
    Huge two points, but with all the other teams winning and our awful start, we cannot let the foot off the pedal

    • sprucesens

      I actually thought that was one of cowen’s better games. Nothing crazy good, but he also played relatively mistake free, so that’s a good sign. Exactly what you want from a defensive D.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Agreed, he played a good game….I just wish he had a mean streak…When something gets rough he just sorta stands there looking confused.

      • Miguel

        fair enough, lets hope he keeps moving in the right directions

    • CUP 2014-15

      We wish they had hands of Stone as in Mark.

    • runningbear1974

      I think people overestimate how well Cowen played… He always made critically bad mistakes that lead straight to goals… He’s getting better, but he was never better than he is right now…

  • SensChirp

    Some comments from Wild forward Matt Cooke about Eugene Melnyk’s investigation into the Karlsson incident from last season

    http://www.startribune.com/sports/wild/241404451.html

    • A-Train

      Leave it to Eugene to make Matt Cooke sound like the voice of reason.

      • FistsofNeil25

        I was about to say the exact same thing lol

      • aegiszx

        Eugene Melynk, making Mark Cuban look like a saint. The only difference is that Cuban actually has a championship, and is raking in money by the minute with all his ventures…

    • The Apostle

      On Tuesday, Cooke called Ottawa’s forensics investigation “really strange.”

      I think Matt Cooke is right.

    • Sensnation

      Too much is being made of this, all because Melnyk used “forensic” investigation. Sounds more and more like he headmanned the study into those type of accidents and usefulness of the socks Karlsson now wears to prevent those injuries going forward.

  • Cy denenny

    Got a few laughs last night when the Washington announcers misspoke thinking that CC5 was a former CFL wide receiver(not his father) and that SDC was from Paris, ON. At least on the SDC comment there was a brief discussion back and forth debating if he was from Canada or France.
    GSG!

  • Hax

    I agree with the concept that Spezza plays a simpler game when he’s got “plugs” for wingers. He shoots more, less “creative” passes etc. Ideally he finds the right balance between playing this way and utilizing better wingers.

    I did notice an extra spring in his step the two times last night he ended up on with Ryan and MacArthur (during shift changes). I think it might be time to try him with some more skilled guys – as long as the message is to keep playing simple.

    Maybe:

    MacArthur-Spezza-Zibanejad
    Conacher-Turris-Ryan
    Michalek-Smith-Neil
    Greening-DaCosta-Condra

    (or if you really want to keep the Turris line intact put MM9 with Spezza and Conacher with Smith)

    • karlssens

      I actually really like those lines.

    • FistsofNeil25

      I think the duo of Mac and Turris is just way too good to break up, I like your option 2 of

      MacArthur-Turris-Ryan
      Michalek-Spezza-Zibanejad
      Conacher-Smith-Condra
      Greening-Da Costa-Neil

      Play the fourth line sparingly. Those top two lines could give us two legit first lines.

      • sprucesens

        i’d do the same lines, except switch smith with da costa, so we can give the guy a chance to produce. But we gotta do something to keep Zbad’s minutes up

        • Hax

          Yeah like that better actually. Love the 14-15-25 line!

    • Sensnation

      I agree somewhat, however adding “I can’t hit an open net” Conacher would just lead to Spezza turning the puck over more, as we saw earlier this year. They just don’t have the chemistry.

      • Hax

        Fair point but I think if you do put CC89 with Spezza you basically tell him to sit in front of the net. Any goals would be tips//rebounds, nothing Spezza should look to “set up”.

    • runningbear1974

      For some reason Maclean doesn’t like Spezza and Zibanejad together… I think I know that reason… So, i’ll say it again… Spezza passes too much when he plays with better players… (He doesn’t go to dirty areas, doesn’t go to front of net, doesn’t shoot)…

  • Richard Gough

    I am not going to let one good game from Spezza and Anderson chance the way I feeling about them. They need to keep playing like they did last nigh right too the play off ,enough said,

    No more of this, showing up when you feel like it type B,S

    • SensChirp

      “No more of this, showing up when you feel like it type B,S”

      I feel the same way about you, Richard :)

      • Miguel

        Boom!… touche chirp

      • FistsofNeil25

        haha I kind of feel like the “showing up when you feel like” thing does kind of apply to Andy this year though. Maybe showing up isn’t the right term to use, but there have been way too many games this season where Andy demonstrated a lack of focus. He’s just seemed to be rather mentally absent at times this season which is strange for him.

        When he’s focused he’s a very good goalie, when he’s not focused…well look back at those recent losses to NYR and MTL and you can see what happens.

      • runningbear1974

        Yes but Spezza and Anderson are paid to show up… This Richard person only shows up when he feels like it… I suppose you could complain about it if you started paying him…

      • Richard Gough

        You must have a man crush on Spezza Chirp lol

  • Miguel

    on Matt Moulson… He is 30 years old, and not likely to sign with us going forward, so not sure he is what we need right now, yes we need someone to play with Spezza, but why not give one of the kids a shot ie Hoffman, or even Peterson, I really like his game in preseason,

    • SensChirp
      • Miguel

        Great read Chirp, thanks
        but again my concern with him is if we give up what TM would likely want ie Stone, and Moulson re-signs with NYI, which it is has been rumoured he would like to do ( what a novel concept, get traded at the end of your contract for a few months then go back to the original team as a UFA win/win ) then we would lose Stone for nothing, in a year that the Sens will have a very tough time to make the playoffs…. too much risk IMO… No?

        • Cicero

          I think TM would likely be more interested in Zibby or Pageau than Stone, no? And probably more than one player or a first round pick.

      • LeafsSux

        Brilliant!! Great read

    • Sensnation

      I’d be more concerned at the price tag if he did re-sign with us as. If he’s a rental, he’s a great guy to get, but his next contract will be an overpaid one.

    • sprucesens

      I think the organization has moved passed Peterson for a while now, and I think Hoffman is making it into that category. I really loved Hoffman’s effort and speed when he was up here, and he always seems to produce at the AHL level. But then he gets up here, and we plug him with neil and smith and the like. I imagine if we had given him the Ceci treatment, of top minutes and to be relied upon in all situations, we might have actually seen what he can do. Oh well.

  • CUP 2014-15

    Great headline. So nice to read Andy and Spezz lead the team. Here’s hoping Spezz can build on his game last night. I was worried about the EG, PW pairing but they played very well. Nice work by EG out working two Caps for the puck behind the net to move it up to CMac to start out Turris goal. That was a big two points now on to Tbay for yet another big road game.
    The East is so tight, love this new alignment and wildcard set up. Were watching an intense race and were still in Jan. Love it. GO SENS GO

    • sprucesens

      personally, I hate the new alignment. The race would still be just as tight, but to me, 1 guaranteed spot from 3 divs (3 total) was enough, let alone top 3 in 2 divs (total of 6) guaranteed spots. Hopefully it doesn’t have a big effect on lesser teams making it. But its tough to see right now, especially when there is 2 more teams in the east currently fighting for the last 2 spots.

  • Jacques

    Listen, I’m the first to crap on Spezza, and I’m with the group that would like to see him traded this year at the deadline, but like I’ve said before if he can play a straight forward game and limit the turnovers than I’m fine with him playing 3rd line and giving us some offence from a spot where we were sorely getting outplayed. I think he played a pretty good game yesterday, I wouldn’t say he was the best SEN on the ice(I think Turris and Zibby played a more complete game last night and they drove the bus all night), but his play was much better than it has been. Read Yost today and he pretty much Echo’s my sentiments when it comes to our Captain, it is quite the conundrum to say the least!

    • runningbear1974

      part of the trick is don’t crap on Spezza… stinky… crap on his play and his decisions on the ice…

    • iKarly65

      conundrum is an understatement.

      If he’s the 3rd line C on this team, because the play of Zibanejad and Turris warrant them playing more, he’s not worth $7M. And as Captain and soon to be UFA, moving the recently promoted captain can prove to be a bad PR move even if it’s the best move for the team. And how can you justify paying as much or more for a player, who is captain, streaky, and injury prone?

      • runningbear1974

        Interesting… If he only does offense, doesn’t back check, he can get way more points, and then he’ll be worth 7million easy… But, if he back checks, he’ll get less points, and he’ll only be worth 5 million…

        • iKarly65

          who said that? I said that a 3rd line center isn’t worth $7m, nothing to do with offence vs. defence. It’s about paying a lot of money to a guy who will never play a full season for the rest of his career. I never said he wasn’t good, I question whether he’s good enough for the Sens to justify spending.

          • runningbear1974

            sorry… I said that… I was just adding to your point… If he plays 3rd line, he’ll have to play differently and will also result in lower pay… I’m not sure he’s worth 7million for us, even as the #1 centre… Why is he worth 7million and not Alfie, that doesn’t make sense to me…

    • Alcatraz

      Its not a conundrum at all. He’s not being traded. He is going to stick around for as long that he wants. Now that Alfie is gone, heaven forbid we get success with Spezza as the C we could be looking at a new legend in Ottawa (MGMT mentality)
      Spezza is here to stay

      • FistsofNeil25

        I think stating that Spezza is here to stay as long as he wants is a bit of a stretch. Management will likely consider trading him in the summer, but it will remain to be seen whether or not they actually trade him or not. One thing is almost certain though..a big money long term contract isn’t coming Spezza’s way, not from the Senators anyway.

        A budget conscious team like the Sens aren’t going to tie up a large chunk of their internal salary cap on an often injured Spezza unless they’re convinced that his injury troubles are behind him.

        If Spezza wants to cash out on one more big contract, he won’t be playing for Ottawa past his current deal.

    • SensChirp

      Trading him at the deadline isn’t an option. Trading him to Edmonton in the offseason also won’t be an option because of that no trade clause. But yes, Yost lays out the situation well.

      If you don’t like Spezza, that’s fine. You’ve made that pretty clear over the last few months. But it’s clearly clouding your judgement. What did Zibanejad do last night that made him better than Spezza? Only Neil and Da Costa played less. 2 shots on goal.

      Better this season? Maybe. Better last night? Not a chance.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        I think if Spezza is moved it is almost 100% his choice….and it is basically for highway robbery for us….It would basically have to be in his last year of his contract and Murray would get the impression that he doesn’t want to resign.

      • runningbear1974

        Some people are fanatics for or against Spezza…. Both groups I find annoying to talk with… Both groups have clouded judgements…

        • FistsofNeil25

          Absolutely correct. The fans against Spezza camp want him out of town and he can’t seem to do anything right.

          The pro Spezza fans let his point production and high-skill cloud the fact that he has some serious weaknesses in his game.

          I’m impartial when it comes to Spezza. He does a lot of great things and a lot of things that make me shake my head. That;s just the player he is and always has been, always will be. I appreciate his incredible skill and dynamic play making abilities. I also can’t help but get frustrated at his brutally soft and inexplicable turnovers and a lack of urgency on the back-check.

          The reality is when Spezza’s close to 100% he’s a point producing machine and he’s helping the Sens win. When he’s a step behind his usual self he’s almost a detriment to the team when he’s on the ice.

          The best thing that could happen for the organization is for him to put his injuries behind him and return to the player he’s capable of being.

      • PraiseAlfie11

        Haters gonna hate, chirp. I’m confident that Spezza scoring 10 goals in 10 games would be met with derision by some.

        • Jacques

          Not worried about that scenario happening but you are allowed to dream.

      • Jacques

        Zibanejad came out of the gate flying, he also made some real good plays in the defensive zone, he’s been shafted in his ice time. I find he’s so much more reliable that Spezz. He just pushes the pace and unfortunately, MaCLean has reduced his time. We got outshot last night and if it wasn’t for Andy we would’ve gotten burned. Spezz’s line was often the one again getting hemmed in. Spezz played ok, if not for the goal he wasn’t spectacular, but like I said if he can bring that rest of the year I’m ok with it. I would still move him come summer time. I find when 19ms ice time gets up there we get outshot, look at the games he was missing we were outshooting the opposition.

    • FistsofNeil25

      You’re out of luck if you’re hoping Spezza is going to be traded at the deadline. He’s not going anywhere soon. I don’t think management considers moving him until the summer.

    • CUP 2014-15

      Hi Jacques. We agree on almost everything except Spezz. In regards to Yost, he has a hard on for a couple of Sens in particular. No matter what the stats (he loves his corsi) he hates EG. earlier in the year it was just a blip that he had the best Corsi. his last post on this matter showed EG had Dzone minutes off the charts and still had the best of stats. Top left corner in blue, take a look at the article, yet he refuses to give him any credit. He dislikes Spezz as well. think he went a little sideways on this team when he was hacked earlier in the year.

      • Jacques

        Cup, i agree, not a fan of Yost’s at all cuz he has a boner for Condra and to me he’s a fringe player at best, not Condra’s biggest fan. What I’m saying is that if Spezza is a risk to resign and I sure of hell think so, than when is the right time to start thinking of the future???? That is the 1 million dollar question.

        • CUP 2014-15

          We’re on the same page there pal, I posted the other day that I like Spezz but at what point is he worth more to this organization as a player or in a trade. What could we get in return? the phone will ring off the hook if he is made available.

        • runningbear1974

          For the Condra haters… He’s one of the few I trust on 5 on 3…

  • iKarly65

    I’m launching a forensic investigation to find out why the Sens hate Lehner.

    • Cicero

      They don’t. But Anderson is the #1 goalie, is paid accordingly, and performs as such. See last season. See his record since December. And see how he rebounds after losses.

      • iKarly65

        Right, cause Lehner’s been awful, eh? Throw him a bone once in a while, let him know he’s got a future. We can pay anyone to sit on a bench. Nothing wrong with giving Lehner 20–40 games.

        • iKarly65

          Vancouver traded Schneider cause he wanted to play more, and Luongo was already being paid as a #1.

        • Cicero

          I agree with you, but Anderson is hot and Maclean has always talked about giving playing time to players who have earned it. Others here have also talked about signing Lehner long-term this summer and manipulating the cost of it by minimizing his games….although I’m not sure if that’s really how they get these thnigs done.

        • Cicero

          I’m just enjoying this luxury of two amazing goaltenders. Not a frequent occurence in Sensland :)

        • The Apostle

          Paying anyone to sit on the bench instead of Lehner would be the way to show him he hasn’t got a future. Lehner has progressed from back-up in the AHL to starter in the AHL to back-up in the NHL. That’s how it’s supposed to work.

          The change to that progression is generally prompted by two scenarios: if you don’t have anybody decent in front to play instead or you play so well that you can’t possibly be left behind. Neither of those scenarios exist here.

          Cam Talbot, Martin Jones and Frederik Andersen have all been as good, if not better, than Lehner this season and at least two of the starters (Lundqvist and Quick) have had their struglles, yet both Jones and Andersen have spent significant time in the minors.

          Anderson has 1 year on his contract, Luongo had 27. That`s why Schneider (and his one way deal) got moved. Lehner can sign his shiny new contract and carry on the fight to prove that he deserves to be first choice for this team. He will do so eventually, he hasn`t done so yet.

          With the team in the hunt for a low playoff spot Anderson will continue to get the bulk of the starts unless he has a meltdown. Since finding his feet after a dodgy start he`s been absolutely fine.

          • Zelle

            Great post.

      • Aaron 2.0

        The only thing i’d point out is Anderson is not really paid all that much (compared to other elite # 1 goalies). I think that makes our situation a little different than other teams (e.g. when Lundquivst was struggling w/ the NYR –> He needs to be the # 1 because they pay him a fortune). I’d personally still like to see more Lehner. His numbers are better this year (except for wins). I’m not saying make him the starter. But, I think he deserves a few more games than he gets. That’s probably a common feeling among a lot of fans though. MacLean does seem hesitant when it comes to changing of the old guard (Zibanejad being a prime example).

    • runningbear1974

      Because… It’s not clear what the best direction for developing people is… We’re still developing Lehner… Not sure what stage he’s at, but he’s learning… this is his first time playing a full season… First time to see the ups and downs of the league of the season… Don’t want him to be responsible for the outcome of this season… Not yet…

    • esk

      last time they put lehner on when anderson was on fire..it ruined anderson’s momentum and we lost a couple of games…let anderson start until he gets tired

    • Zelle

      If you give a young player the star treatment too young, more often than not their ego gets the best of them (see Price and Hall). Lehner already has an attitude, maybe they are trying to make sure he develops his maturity, not just his skill?

  • Cicero

    I have a question for any experts out there: How much does locker room compatability (including hsitory, like junior connections, and sociability, such as how well they’re liked by previous teammates) figure into trades, and how can anyone really know about this factor for potential incoming players except for insiders?

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Posted this way at the bottom, but am I alone in thinking that Moulson would be a nice addition, but would MUCH prefer him play with Zibby and Conacher on an almost checking highly skilled pain in the ass second line.

    Then

    Michalek – spezza- Greening

    • Cicero

      Maybe :) Hasn’t the push for trading been instigated by Spezza needing a scoring winger?

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Yeah, I agree….just saying that a top 6 of

        McArthur – Turris – Ryan
        Conacher – Zibby – Moulson

        Looks pretty damn sexy..

        Then the third line(assuming stone comes back soon)

        Michalek – Spezza – Stone

        That is a pretty sexy top 9

    • runningbear1974

      I agree with you… Much better to play with Zibby than Spezza… I’ll keep mentioning my point… I hate the way Spezza plays with skilled players, he doesn’t even try to score, goes to the boards or behind the net and passes to them…
      There was an interview with Spezza where he said “The coach wants me to shoot more, but I don’t know”… He still thinks of himself as a passer…

    • The Apostle

      I would do what I could to use Michalek as a part to get Moulson, but I would only go for Moulson if we had a good idea he was going to sign long term (he`s going to be expensive to get).

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Agreed….I think a realistic piece that BUF would be after is Cowen to be completely honest, wasn’t Tim Murray a huge fan of his?

        • FistsofNeil25

          Murray isn’t going to trade Cowen for a rental.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            I would assume it would have to be a sign and trade….he won’t be trading much if he is a rental….hell he won’t make that deal if he is a rental.

  • SensChirp

    Missed the interview but it sounds like Marc Methot is pretty upset with the Coach after last night’s game. MacLean suggested it was an injury but Methot sees it differently. Anybody hear what he had to say?

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Oh man really??

      WTF are they trying to do to Methot…he has been great, and it really seems like they are trying to run him out of town.

      • Jacques

        Maybe the Rangers really want Methot. Sens wanting to see how our D plays without him. Maybe a Methot + for Callahan? Maybe the Sens think that Claessen is ready for the big time. He’s physical too and can move the puck. Who knows??

    • CUP 2014-15

      I did not Chirp but I can tell you 100% it has nothing to do with a boo boo. I can’t go much further, let me leave you with this, was MM on the ice yesterday after practice? and what was he doing?

      • SensChirp

        Ooo cryptic. Skating?

        • CUP 2014-15

          and what kind of skate did he have?

          • SensChirp

            Bag skate! Out of shape!

          • CUP 2014-15

            not sure why but between the last healthy scratch and now this, something is up. Has his play been that bad? who did he piss off and what did he do or say? That is what I would like to know but something is up for sure.

          • Doc

            So you know as much as the rest of us. Got it.

          • CUP 2014-15

            just earlier, get it

          • Doc

            Right. The “I know stuff you don’t” act is getting old.

            Either say what you have to say and add to the discussion, or stop pretending you do. “I can’t go much further” serves no purpose but to try and win you cool points on a blog/forum.

            Anybody that takes the time to do a little digging can get the same info.

          • CUP 2014-15

            who pissed in your cornflakes this morning. Are you upset at something. Where is this silly schoolyard crap coming from?

          • Doc

            The schoolyard crap comes from people saying they know stuff that others don’t, yet can’t elaborate. If you can’t talk about what you “know”, why even bother saying you do?

            Not upset, it’s just annoying and serves no purpose. Not the first time you do this, and I’ve seen many others trying to do the same on other forums.

          • SensChirp

            I don’t generally have a problem with it because well, I run a website
            that is based on that principle, but you did kind of make it seem like
            you had access to information that wasn’t available publicly.

            Pretty clear something was up when he took drills with the other healthy scratches.

          • CUP 2014-15

            At what point did I do this before as you say? please enlighten me with your wisdom

          • Doc

            You did, but I won’t go through old blogs to dig that up sorry. Not trying to prove something.

            Nothing personal either. It just rubs me the wrong way when someone says something like that. For me it adds nothing to the discussion and only seems as an attempt to get cool points with fellow fans.

            I can understand if you do have access to information and are scared of being discovered by said sources if you divulge the information. But don’t say anything to begin with if that’s the case!

          • CUP 2014-15

            I get your point if I was off base but this being a blog to discuss the team I thought it relevant. I don’t start rumors and simply express my feeling as a fan and happiness or discuss with moves made by the organization so when I hear that a player is upset with management, I simply feel it’s something to share. I did make a statement in regards to the posted line-up back about a month ago and the one change was confirmed hours later but that was it.

          • Doc

            Hey no worries, I probably came off a little hard and I apologize for that. Feelings came from past experiences is all.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Cool Doc, have a good day pal, by the way between you and I he was late, not sure what for but late.

          • Cicero

            ….and first on the ice at practice in TB http://instagram.com/p/jenwl5I-sF/#

          • Zelle

            He looks so sad :(

        • Cicero

          As an imaginative but anti-social hockey fan with no friends in the media and no knowledge of computer hacking, I too can confirm that I don’t know stuff that you don’t.

    • BFR

      1200 just played it again, if you still missed it….

      BooBoo and Gordo were asking questions about last nights game and his ‘injury’ during practice, Methot said he was good to go:
      Gordo: ‘Safe to say this was precautionary?’
      MM: ‘ Mmm, yeah, yeah, well I got bag skated after practice so…’

      • FistsofNeil25

        Wow that doesn’t sound good. I wonder what he did to deserve that treatment. There has to be a good reason for it.

    • Miguel

      ok PM is really starting to seem like he is out of his fukin mind! This is pure insanity!
      He needs to have someone take hold of these idiotic decisions.
      CP4 on the PP, when any fool can tell you he cant play it!
      for the love of god, if this is true we really need to have our Head Coach checked out… too many concussions must have added up!
      How the fuk can you tell me that Methot is being scratched when he is clearly your second best d-man!
      Why does he get this kind of treatment,when the the likes of Cowen and Phillips can play like complete shit and NEVER sit a damn game! Sorry Chirp you really got my blood boiling over this one!

      • SensChirp

        Because like I said earlier- more goes into a Coach’s decision than what we see during the games. Accept that and you’ll find a lot of the decisions easier to understand.

        • Miguel

          I would like to think that one of the most important reasons for playing or sitting must come down to wins and losses.
          Can anyone tell me that Methot does not give you a better chance to win than does
          Phillips
          Cowen
          Gryba
          PW46
          I pay good money to watch our BEST play, not to watch a shit player play ahead of a good player b/c he does not get along with a coach or whatever stupid reasons.
          Quite frankly PM is getting away with a hell of a lot more than any of our previous coaches b/c his shit dont stink, well it is starting to stink worse and worse, and is getting rancid!
          This is not the first stupid decision and quite frankly, he is a big part of this teams inconsistancies, and mediocrity IMO
          Explain these idiotic decisions, other than a its boo boo ( which we now know to be an outright lie )!

          • CUP 2014-15

            I would not call it a lie as a Boo Boo can also refer to a mistake. That being said, I have had a hard time this year with the Goaltending moves, CP on the PP etc.

          • Floridasensfan

            Here is something to calm you a bit when CP is on the power play, we are upping his trade value at the deadline.
            Anderson same thing.

          • CUP 2014-15

            lol. if we need to showcase him to someone they must be living in a cave. I like CP but I would not be upset if we moved both of them for the right return, hell I guess I could say that for a lot of the guys.

          • Zelle

            Or maybe we only know 1/10th of the story and just speculate on the rest and assume that it’s some sort of vendetta. Truth is we don’t know what it is. We got spoiled with magical goaltending last season and we want more. Well it takes time. And how do we know that Pmac is not talking to Murray or Eugene about his decisions? For all we know he has proven reasoning and the A-ok from the top guys.

      • The Apostle

        scroll up

        • Miguel

          just finished a rant, did I miss something that explains this Apostle?

  • FistsofNeil25

    Del Zotto traded to Nashville for Kevin Klein.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      There has to be more

      • boom

        The Rangers have liked him since “A Fish called Wanda”…

        • CUP 2014-15

          lol

    • CUP 2014-15

      WOO HOO, Great news that means we’re not getting him!!!!!!! This is very good news

  • Jacques

    Del Zotto to Nashville – good – Ceci made that move irrelevant!

    • The Apostle

      Win for Nashville if it’s just Klein.

      • Alcatraz

        opposite actually. I think Rangers did well here. Klein is very very underrated. He’s essentially our Methot

        • Doc

          Agreed, but kind of seems redundant for a trade, no? I was expecting the Rangers to be looking at forwards and not another D, even though they don’t play the same game.

          • Alcatraz

            Left hand shot for right hand shot. Allows for players to play their proper side.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Bingo, almost every team in the league is looking for right handed D.

          • Doc

            Trade Gryba! ;)

          • CUP 2014-15

            I like this if they call up Boro or another D that can play defence. There is no way we trade our other righties.

          • Doc

            Pretty much why Gryba made the team last year over others. He was farther down on the depth chart, but was huge and a right shot.

          • CUP 2014-15

            He was the only choice left as Boro was hurt. It’s like being a left handed pitcher in MLB.

          • SenaTHOR

            Im sure he wants out of this mess.

    • runningbear1974

      Ceci turned this team around…

  • Andrews theory

    Methot hasn’t looked bad too me.

    I’d argue he can skate with one leg faster than Cowen gets around on two…

    PMAC sure does seem moody and once he sours he really sours;

    JOB
    PW
    Conacher
    Ryan
    Methot

    Eesh, they should all have a chat with Smith, apparently he did some research on the right Xmas present

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      I am hoping this doesn’t become a who has bigger balls contest and result in a similar situation to Heatley.

      IMHO Methot should be a piece moving forward.

    • runningbear1974

      Smith passes, shoots, blocks, supports, defends, fights… And with a smile…

      Maybe Methot needs to smile more…

  • WolfInSheepsClothes

    What do you think it would take to get Girardi out of NYR? Cowen+Prospect/Pick+…?

    D Corps could be;

    Methot-Karlsson
    Weircioch-Girardi
    Phillips-Ceci

    • CUP 2014-15

      They want a top 6 fwd and a right handed D along with a pick so something like CC, Stone and pick or lesser D in Gryba better fwd in CMac plus pick. Too much as far as I am concerned.

    • Deadly

      Teams that are in the hunt,don’t usually trade their better players.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Ottawa Senators ‏@Senators 59s
    A victory on Thursday over @TBLightning would see Andy move into second place on the franchise’s all-time wins list! #Sens

    Hmmm I had no idea…although guess it makes sense

  • Dirtysweetness

    I think big Byfluglien might be a better fit in terms of a winger. Also, he’s got an additional year on his contract-so he’s not a rental.

    • The Apostle

      Not entirely convinced that he plays the sort of game our coach preaches.

      • Doc

        Agreed, but if we ever did get the chance to trade for him, I would definitely play him as a forward. Probably with Spezza too. One can dream.

    • Cicero

      David Perron.

  • Andersonfan41

    I am glad that Murray did not trade for
    Del Zotto!

  • Hax

    Hopefully the Methot stuff is no more than some “tough love” or I guess it could be some sort of gamesmanship related to potential trades. Whatever it is, I hope it’s not an indication that the coach or GM have soured on Methot.

    Glad we dodged the MDZ bullet as well.

    • FistsofNeil25

      This entire Methot situation is so strange to me. This is the second time that Maclean has scratched Methot due to an “injury”, later to have Marc publicly state to the media that he was good to go. There’s no way Maclean can be making Methot a healthy scratch based solely on his on-ice performance. There has to be something more behind the scenes with him that is rubbing Maclean the wrong way.

      Methot hasn’t looked as strong this season as he did last, but he’s still consistently been one of our top 2-3 defenseman almost every night. I just don’t understand the “tough love” he’s being given while Cowen continues to struggle while playing career high minutes riding shotgun with Karlsson.

      We’ve heard rumors that Methot is a bit of a bar-star and likes to party, but I doubt he’s the only one on the team. As long as he plays well, I couldn’t care less what he does away from the rink.

      • Hax

        A coach would look more at the gap between how a player is playing and what his top end is rather than just how he’s playing. So maybe Mac feels Marc has more to offer or that his effort/focus is lacking?

        I trust Mac to know what’s best but very curious to know more here.

        • MethotToMyMadness

          I trust the org here. Marc says he’s good to go, just like Neil said he was good to go. Management decided to wait however, because what they saw showed he wasn’t ready. Marc is a competitive guy, he would play through any injury, you can see that’s the type of guy he is. This is just Management making the right decision.

    • Sensnation

      MDZ did go cheap though. Nashville’s back end is looking scary again! When Rinne is back, watch out!

  • gds

    supposedly NYR contacted ottawa yesterday, and were told no longer interested in del zotto, i see this as going in a direction of matt moulson, as ceci has filled that gap ottawa was looking at

    • CohMa

      Unless they get him cheap and/or resign him, I’m not sold on Moulson. He’s not a “game-changer”, and he’s not that piece we need to take the next step. But you’ve always been a reliable “insider”. Thanks for the info.

      • gds

        ya if they dont give up to much for him, and they have a feeling he can resign that would be great, i think if we do make a move to get him, and sign him, we go after that game changer and i think if we do that puts us in a good spot

        • MethotToMyMadness

          I think Moulson would be a perfect fit in Ottawa. For some reason, what he’s accomplished in the last 3 to 4 years, tends to get thrown to the curb. The guy can skate, score and setup plays. We have all been talking about a player for Spezza. Moulson would fill that void and then some. If he’s available, get him. No questions.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Except ideally play him on our second line

            McArthur – Turris – Ryan
            Conacher – Zibby – Moulson
            Greening – Spezza – Michalek
            Neil – Smith – Condra

          • runningbear1974

            I really enjoyed Spezza with Smith and Condra… I think those guys could get something cool going on…

          • Hax

            When the Vanek trade happened I remember a lot of people suggesting that Moulson might be more valuable to some teams than Vanek straight up. Especially when you’re talking playoff hockey.

            If Murray feels he can resign him (or they do a sign-and-trade) I’d support getting Moulson. I’m sure there’s a couple of prospects that Tim Murray valued higher than Bryan/Dorion.

  • SensChirp

    What’s interesting is that Methot was paired with Corvo at practice today. Which is an initial indication that he could be a health scratch again tomorrow. We’ll see if MacLean has a change of heart at the morning skate.

    • gds

      i love methot’s game but i think that game vs rangers was his worst of the season, even thou he scored

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Head shaker

    • thepez

      I just heard Methot’s interview today. He sounds pissed. Seems like a rift is starting to grow between Mac and Methot. Have not liked the way the coaching staff has used him this year. I haven’t liked a few of the decisions this year, ie. Bobby Ryan’s minutes on ice, the lack of playing time for PW46 and use of the goalies.

      • Miguel

        who are we to question stupid moves by the coach ;-)

    • Miguel

      Really???
      How the hell can he continually sit our best dman, and never sit our worst dman.
      This is really completely idiotic
      Can anyone please make sense of this for me as I am losing all confidence in PM, and even BM for allowing these moronic decisions

      • SensChirp

        I tried to make sense of it for you on your previous comment.

        • Miguel

          other than wins and losses what else can PM be concerned with?
          Should the best players not play as he says?
          Do we really care if PM was insulted by MM or whatever?
          And when PM is asked why he is out, and outright Lies to the media and fans, should he not be called out as a Liar
          Sorry Chirp PM has made many stupid decisions this year, and he is a very large part of this teams failures this year

          • Hax

            Soo … you’re saying you’re not going to choose “acceptance”?

          • Miguel

            Hax I lover your postive outlook, and I respect your opinion as well.
            But as a paying fan is PM not crossing the line with you?
            without a doubt Methot is in our top 4 pairing easily.
            He is not in the lineup, and the pompous “coach” says its a boo boo! Embarrassing the player, and making mockery of all of us fans.
            Sorry but this is not the first time, and anyone who knows anything about sports can plainly see that Methot is by far not our worst dman.
            This leads me to believe that many of his other questionable calls were wrong, in large part causing many of the losses we have been forced to endure this year.
            The Sens are having a bad year, and PM is a major reason for this.

          • Zelle

            If PM is the reason for the Sens having a bad year, then he’s also the reason for them picking up lately, no?

          • CUP 2014-15

            Everyone will love him when we’re in third in the division and rolling into the post season however some of the most fun of being a sports fan is to question those who overlook our beloved hockey heros and second guess their moves. I don’t think I have seen any posts calling for his head…yet…. and you are correct in your assessment IMO.

          • Zelle

            I also have many questions that I know will never be answered. It’s fun to talk and speculate, no doubt, but to assume that all of these problems and losses are on MacLean is too much. Whenever I question something he does I remind myself that he comes from the Detroit Red Wings organization, an organization of winners that fostered a culture of winning. Of course he’s not perfect, but I find it difficult to believe that he’d put his ego ahead of his job and his team.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I can agree with the wining org. take but who knows how someone acts when they get the top dog role, I like Mac and would not call for his head but that doesn’t mean he can’t develop an ego over his boss man role. Hell I have seen co-workers change who I thought they were and over a small promotion no less.

          • Zelle

            Very good point… Let us hope that is not the case. It sure didn’t seem that way last season.

            I know there was a quote from Spezza in a TSN article stating that he plays better if he plays more minutes. That got me wondering if perhaps he and Maclean came to some sort of agreement on his playing time that would be eating away at Turris’ and Zbad’s play time. I’m not saying it’s right, but let’s all admit that this season the Sens will not win the Cup. So is there no better time than now to experiment with the team?

            Thus far, while people were complaining about Maclean juggling lines, he managed to figure two absolutely solid performing scoring lines with Turris and Zbad. No one complains about line juggling anymore because for half of the starters he doesn’t need to.

            ***edited to fix a syntax mistake

          • CUP 2014-15

            Only the players know for sure and I thought of him as a players coach. He may still be that but I am not so sure anymore. Not that it makes a big difference, great coaches come in many different forms. Your bang on with the line combos, I was one that was screaming for him to stop screwing with them and now the forwards look very good. He has also been handed 8 D and has to find a way to keep all of them fresh. I am sure the D would love to play with the same partner night in and out as well.
            I am so damn old I remember Steeler fans wanting Bradshaw traded booing him everytime he took the field….story ends with four super bowls in six years.

          • runningbear1974

            Imagine how tough it must have been for the coach to figure out the line combos… The solution came when Spezza got injured… The problem was it was really hard to figure out what to do with Spezza… Now we have 3 strong lines, and whenever Spezza’s line plays well, we have 4 strong lines…

          • CUP 2014-15

            injuries can be wonderful things

          • runningbear1974

            I really loved last year’s team… I believed in them… That was my favourite sens team ever…

          • CUP 2014-15

            Sure as hell was fun. Watching one bingo guy after another step in and play their asses off. Hope we get to see the same type of enthusiasm and drive in the home stretch.

          • Zelle

            I loved last year’s team, it was so exciting. I think I will also love the future team though. I enjoy being able to watch a young team grow with a few seasoned veterans to help them along the way. I just hope we get to keep most of them on the Sens. We love to complain but really it’s not too bad. Look at Edmonton. When this team plays they are extremely competitive and can beat almost any team. More time, more cohesion, and a consistent effort will turn the Ottawa Senators into a Cup contender, I have no doubt.

          • runningbear1974

            Spezza needs more ice time to play well… Then give him less ice time, and get him to figure out how to play well with less… If ice time is a limiting factor for him, then force him to practice that… He’s not a goalie…

          • bluebuyyoo

            PM doesn’t run his coaching decisions past you? Strange!

    • sprucesens

      yeah, it would be nice if some of the moves this year would be explained better. I suppose he has the right to do whatever he wants, without explanation to the fans. But its hard to see one of your better players being treated poorly in the organization. And methot isn’t the first. Guys like zibby, ryan, lehner, and maybe a few others have noticeably not put on after stellar play. Whereas guys like smith, condra, greening, cowen, Phillips and Anderson could seemingly do no wrong all year. Some of them have improved,(Anderson and greening, and slightly cowen). But if there is any kind of rift starting between the first set of players and the coach, that it something that needs to be remedied immediately. It will be awful tough if we run those types of players out of town because of strange coaching decisions.
      The best guess I have, is we are trying to showcase players that don’t have a long term future with the team, and are trying to maintain the balance between that, and alienating the players we do consider the future. And I could see management not telling those players why, because if it comes out, all of a sudden there is a big problem. But aside from that, there have been some very strange decisions this year, and without proper explanation, we as fans have every right to question the coach, especially when the player outright does as well. See methot’s interview, and previous tweet from ryan(did I kick mac’s dog or something?”

      • runningbear1974

        We are a Developing team…
        We are not fully developed yet like Boston, Chicago…

        We are developing our players to become the best they can… Either to be on our Developed team, or to trade for biggest assets…

        I don’t know exactly what you mean when you say they were treated ‘poorly’ by the coach… Is he being disrespectful?

        MacLean is trying to use some fancy strategy… Why would he explain that to everyone? You have the right to ask… And, he has the right to give you the usual bullshit answer…

        So, you would prefer he be nice to the Skilled players that don’t try as hard, rather than, the non-skilled players that try really hard… Is that a winning strategy?

  • SensChirp

    Have a listen to what MacLean had to say after practice. Think people are making a big deal out of something pretty insignificant.

    http://video.senators.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=544365&catid=1141

    • Doc

      What? Sens fans being fickle?? Why I never…. ;)

    • Miguel

      Thanks for that Chirp, and I can appreciate it to a point. What I find strange is that when BooBoo repeats MM statement about bag skating, PM says I dont remember that… really? If you can bag skate him, I would only assume he is in shape to play. Something between the lines there.
      This is not the first time he has pissed off the top players on this team.
      It is clear his loyalties are to the plug cement heads, who are not skilled, vs the better skilled player on this team.
      to the point Methot deserves to play over many others, and truly hope that PM is not lieing about the injury, otherwise this team will be in big trouble… and now acceptance :-) for now

      • Hax

        MacLean can lie to the media all he wants if he thinks it will in some small way help the team.
        MacLean can also piss off any players he wants if he thinks it is in the best interest of the team.

        • Miguel

          yup fair enough… and if they keep losing b/c of those stupid lies, I can stop paying to watch the crap he puts on the ice!
          He, as you say, can do all he wants but its all about wins and losses baby, andif they keep losing then at some point he too has to answer to someone!

          • Hax

            Yes you can I guess. But where are these losses you’re ranting about? The team is doing pretty good lately aren’t they?

            In the same line of thought, I really don’t care if Murray fires MacLean if Murray believes doing that is in the best interest of the team. Or if Melnyk fires Mur… er, okay, that’s where I draw the line I guess.

          • SensChirp

            Keep losing? Playing quite well lately, actually.

          • Miguel

            out of the playoffs is the expectations you had for them this season?
            And many losses can be attributed directly at bad coaching decisions IMO.

        • Miguel

          BTW, in you wisdom, how does sitting a healthy Methot help this team?

          • Hax

            That’s the point Miguel. NONE OF US know what the “real” reason is. If Methot is not following the system properly, if Methot was out until 4am the night before the game, if Methot is not giving 100%, if Methot is not putting in the right effort at practice … any of these are valid reasons that nobody would ever know.

            Question and debate all you like – it really is fine and makes for good discussions, but ultimately you have to accept that the coach just might have valid reasons that you’re not aware of.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Could not agree more Hax, just one thing, what if he was late !!! that would also be a reason…just saying,

  • boom

    In Miguel’s defence, MacLean’s insistence that “the best players will play” is beginning to remind me of….

    “All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”
    ― George Orwell, Animal Farm

    • Miguel

      Bang on Boom!
      The Ottawa Senators is not communist Russia,
      And PM is not a God :-)

      • CUP 2014-15

        Hold on one freakin minute here. If he’s not God and Karl is not God….is there a God?

        • bluebuyyoo

          That would be either Tim Peel or Dan O’Rourke ;-)

          • CUP 2014-15

            how could I have missed that, thaks lol

          • Miguel

            Thanks for the chuckle guys… I needed that!

          • peetypuck

            You mean Satan don’t you?

          • QSenFan

            What about Garry Bettman?

        • Tooks

          God left for Detroit…

      • CohMa

        No, but PM may be Stalin. He even has the moustache.

    • runningbear1974

      I’m not sure that MacLean is insisting on the best player playing… I think he says that to explain some of his decisions… It’s not necessarily a winning strategy… I mean… It’s not particularly creative, i’m sure other teams have thought of that too…

      It feels to me like he’s planning for the playoffs… I mean… Make us a team that is built for the playoffs…

      As a consequence, we might not make the playoffs… I prefer that we don’t make the playoffs… Identify the problems (someone’s obviously not doing their job)… Get rid of him/them… Better that then make playoffs and lose horribly (we want to have success so people want to be here)

      People with either grow and adapt, or they’ll have to go…

      People keep saying Philips doesn’t belong on power play… Why NOT? He’s a veteran… 1st overall pick… He’s had tons of experience… Why can’t he play on the powerplay? I mean… Why doesn’t he have the skills? He should… Given his pedigree and experience… He plays hockey almost every day…

      The way MacLean is developing our guys… Every one of them will be able to play on the powerplay when they have 10 years experience…

  • Yukon Cornelius

    I find it really funny that people are getting upset over the tweet from the Senators account. It was just some pretty funny tongue in cheek humour if you ask me.

    I don’t know if anyone else follows the LA Kings on twitter but their twitter feed is always filled little jabs at opposing teams and they do it so damn well. It’s not like the players are whispering sweet nothings into each others’ ears on the ice might as well add a little character to the teams’ twitter accounts. I, for one, hope that the Ottawa account continues with this sense of humour, great way to connect to people on a different medium.

    #ThanksObama

  • peetypuck

    Instead of all this negativity, has anyone even given thought to the Sens meeting the Leafs in the first round?

    • CUP 2014-15

      Can’t happen unless T By falls apart

      • Zelle

        That will start tomorrow! haha

        • peetypuck

          Does anybody want to see the Sens vs Leafs in the first round?

          • CUP 2014-15

            Buds and Sens need to pass both MTL and TB for that to happen.

          • peetypuck

            Has the playoff order changed this year? 1 vs 8, 2 vs 7, etc.

          • CUP 2014-15

            it’s divisional play so 1 v 4 and 2 v 3. if both wild cards are from the same division then number two crosses over to become the 4th seed on the other side.

          • peetypuck

            I see what you mean. Not much chance of them meeting in the first round this year.

          • Zelle

            I would like it. And if both teams become consistent playoff makers it will happen eventually.

          • Sandy

            No… the Leafs have the Sens number the past couple of seasons.. and remember those other playoff rounds?
            No thanks..

          • Tooks

            Exactly this, IMO, they have better overall team. They would beat us in tight game and hard fought games and we would never hear the end of it. EVER!

          • Sicilian

            Yes, frankly. As an organization, we need to get that monkey off our back

  • Cicero

    Karlsson and Green stare each other down with cold-blooded fury. Oh, I guess not. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzIVRKFyzds

    • sben

      I did not notice that. Hilarious.

  • Cicero

    Karlsson and Green stare each other down with cold-blooded fury. Oh, maybe not. http://youtu.be/bzIVRKFyzds?t=1m18s

    • Sicilian

      You know. That’s a little weird…

  • Hax

    Found this in an old newspaper:

    “Fans are outraged at the coaching decisions of Scotty Bowman. Many fans have been all over the telegraph wire and ham radios debating why Bowman didn’t start Ken Dryden in last nights game. When media types with pencil and notepads at the ready asked him about it Bowman called it a rest day for Dryden.”

    Sometimes the instant gratification of today’s “media” and social networks works against our general happiness.

    • runningbear1974

      You want a team that is solid enough that doesn’t depend on any one player… We’re getting there… Ceci is freaking awesome…

    • Miguel

      Has here are a couple of coaching decision a Novice coach can make, what would you do?
      Who is better Phillips or Methot? Easy
      Who would your rather on your struggling PP? Phillips or Ceci, Methot, Turris?
      Who would you rather have you top Centre, top paid player, PPG player playing with? Two 7th rounders? or a decent NHLer?
      You can candy coat this any way you like, but he has mishandled many of our best players, and he is a major part of our struggles this year.
      So before you “CROWN HIS ASS” let him win a couple of rounds, before comparing him to one of the greatest coaches of our time

      • Hax

        Miguel I know you’re frustrated so I’ll go easy on you.

        When someone is coaching at the highest level (NHL, NFL etc) decisions are usually a bit more complex than one single thing. It’s a TEAM sport, not an individual one.

        I’ll go on to say that winning “tonight” is actually not the priority. The priority is to win a cup and sometimes that means making decisions that are better for the long term than the short term.

        If you’re still confused let’s just agree to disagree since I can’t really explain it any more plainly than that.

      • Zelle

        You make it sound like these choices are all black and white but they’re not. Have you ever tried organizing and managing an event that you had more people than spots? It’s not easy. It’s not just “this player has more skill, let’s play him”. You have to consider, do they listen to direction, do they play a team game, are they mentally focused enough, are they physically fit enough, etc, etc…

  • Hax

    Open question – can someone safely perform a “bag skate” if they have a sprained finger or other “upper body boo-boo”?

    • CUP 2014-15

      LOL, Good point but bag skates are for those that f#@k up sooooooo….

    • Miguel

      Methot clearly stated he is good to go and if you can bag skate me I can play.
      Dont fukin lie and say it is a boo boo and embarass your player.

      • Hax

        SIGH

        I don’t mean this disrespectfully but have you ever been a coach? Players often feel they’re ready to play when they’re not – it’s called being a competitor and it’s actually a good characteristic to have. But coaches need to protect them from themselves.

        Or, if the real issue isn’t a “boo-boo” MacLean is actually PROTECTING his player by using that as a reason. For the sake of argument only, let’s pretend Methot was out partying until 4am and that’s why he’s scratched. MacLean saying it’s a minor injury is actually protecting Methot from getting a bad rep.

        Can you imagine what those morons at the Sun would do if it was revealed that Methot was scratched over partying?

        And before you get too bent out of shape over the completely made up idea of Methot being out late – it happens ALL THE TIME in the NHL and other sports and in the long run is almost never a big deal. (With some exceptions of course.) These are rich, young, alpha males – of course they’re going to give in to temptation some times and live like rock stars. Again – no reason to think this is the reason.

  • Sandy

    This stretch will probably determine if the Sens are a playoff team. This is the schedule up to the Olympic break…. it’s a difficult one to say the least…

    OTT@TB
    OTT@CAR
    OTT@CBJ
    TB@OTT
    OTT@TOR
    OTT@PIT
    OTT@STL
    BUF@OTT
    OTT@BOS

    • Sensnation

      Tough stretch for sure, but definitely possible to go 6-3 or 5-4. Just need a full team effort for 60 minutes each night. It’s getting closer!

    • http://www.crashthenet.ca/ Luc Wolfe

      And hope the team around ottawa lose in reg and gets a tons of injuries, just to help ottawa too :)

      • laffin681021

        Never wish for injuries.

        • http://www.crashthenet.ca/ Luc Wolfe

          Ok i would not want my worst enemy to die, for sure. But like minor issueslike expired visa and passport, sick days vs the sens… like a sens flu… can that be invented?

    • PraiseAlfie11

      Ya…that’s a rough schedule. I’m not going to call the results of the next 9 make or break (assuming they dont go 0-9 of course)…waiting for after the olympics.

    • my2sens

      As tough as it looks on paper, Sens have shown a) we’re good on the road and b) we play damn good hockey against top clubs… so I say… bring it on!!

  • runningbear1974

    There’s someone wearing sens jersey at the montreal – pittsburgh game… i don’t know how to do link… tsn/nhl page

    • Zelle

      Good. I hope they also have an obnoxious sign. There was a lady at the Sens/Rangers game wearing a Habs jersey and waving her sign at the crowd behind her.

  • A-Train

    Holy smokes … leave for a few hours and look what I miss.

    All signs point to a conditioning issue with Methot, or at least the perception of one by coaching staff. Maclean is very big on that issue, brought that with him from Detroit.

    And to get REALLY speculative it seems pretty clear the team is very down on its players having any kind of nightlife (say, when was that last DJ Z-bad gig?)

    • Zelle

      They can have a night life when they win the cup!

    • Zelle

      You know what, I know it’s just speculation but wouldn’t players partying be a reasonable explanation on why they play so badly during afternoon home games?

      • SENSsmile

        What about the other team that beats them?

        • Zelle

          What about them? Their players don’t party and play to their potential, I assume.

  • Sandy

    How can an undermanned team like Detroit be leading a team like Chicago? Chicago HAS to win..

    • http://www.crashthenet.ca/ Luc Wolfe

      Come on chicago score five goals

      • bluebuyyoo

        4-4 8 minutes left in the 3rd… Go Hawks!

        • Sandy

          Damn… Detroit won in a shootout… Ahead of the Sens again.
          I swear to god.. Det & Tor have horseshoes up their butt.
          No way.. missing what they are.. Det should have beat Chi..

          • Zelle

            At least Sens beat them in ROW now.

  • Gordon Ramsli

    This hole thing with Methot is just the media and fans making a mountain out of nothing. Could simply be the fact that Maclean thinks it’s his night to sit, is it really bad to give your most gifted D a night off against a Caps team without Ovechkin in the lineup …. IF it is a stink about conditioning or maybe his taste for the nightlife Macleans allowed to be mad if he believes it’s affecting his ability to play hockey.

    My opinion on Methot is while he is a older defenseman I consider him just as “In Training” as any other defenseman he came from the blue jackets.. his development wasn’t probably as nice as it would have been here…

    • my2sens

      Even Tookie makes more sense…

      • Tooks

        +1!

    • Miguel

      Best players Play!
      Sit Phillips!

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/01/22/ottawa-senators-marc-methot-not-happy-about-sitting

    My god our local reporters are idiots…I have gone from posting filth your grandmother wouldn’t read…to relatively nice but Brennan you are an idiot posts(none of which were approved)….What kind of idiotic poll is that.

  • SensChirp

    New post here. Episode 1 of NHL Revealed

    http://senschirp.ca/videos/nhl-revealed-episode-1/

  • Tooks

    Not sure what this Methot sitting was for but now you have Methot voicing his displeasure about it…not good. This means Methot wasnt expecting to be sat.

    Gonna be interesting to see what happens with this.

  • Tooks

    That Twitter thing about the two Nation’s Capitals was funny but this guy wins hands down! Ouch!

    Nats Enquirer ‏@NatsEnquirer Jan 21
    Save it Canada. We left with your Expos RT @Senators Always a pleasure to visit the other nations capital when we leave w/2 pts #ThanksObama

  • NickofTime

    That tweet is much to do about nothing, what do people expect in the world today when anybody can say anything to anyone & sometimes disguise it as someone else saying it. It’s the world we live in now & technology has empowered ppl to speak their mind regardless of what they say or who they say it to. Differing opinions are now able to clash instantaneously butlet’s not forget it’s just a hockey game, try not to take it too seriously.

    Back to the Sens, I Would love to see Gryba & Wiercioch in the lineup full time but BM will have to trade Phillips to make room & I would be okay with that. Maybe Buffalo would take him to mentor their young defence in a deal that would involve Moulson. You are obviously a fan of Spezza & karlsson while I’m a fan of Greening, Neil & Smith who I constantly defend on here. Shoe is on the other foot now, but I have never thought to move Spezza because I think the Sens are better off with him. Especially if he can develop something with Mark Stone, Michalek, Greening or Moulson. I think nexy yr when Spezza & Anderson are in their last yr & if the Sens struggle again there will be more of a push to trade Spezza. In the meantime BM should work towards making a push asap while Spezza & Anderson are here & healthy, who knows what next yr brings.

  • NickofTime

    Del Zotto traded to Nashville for Klien, glad to see it wasn’t Ottawa getting him.

  • T K

    Semper fidelis Chirp. You are not alone.