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Friday, 02 November 2012 11:36

NHL, NHLPA to Resume Talks

Good news has been hard to come by in the CBA talks so even the slightest hint of progress is worth passing along.

Moments ago, Pierre LeBrun indicated that Bill Daly and Steve Fehr have agreed to resume negotiations.  The two sides still need to agree on format, location and time, but for the first time in a couple weeks it at least suggests a step in the right direction.

According to the buzz this morning, the league still plans to cancel the Winter Classic later today.  If that announcement comes as expected, you would  think the owners can really start to put the pressure on the NHLPA.  If Friday comes and goes without a cancelation, it might be an indication the two sides are finally on a similar page.

We’ll see what happens…

  • After Sens Owner Eugene Melnyk made comments not far from what you’d hear from any passionate hockey fan, you had to know this news was coming.  This morning, an article in the Ottawa Citizen indicated that the league is investigating Melnyk’s comments.  The League has strict policy about teams discussing ongoing CBA talks.  Seems unlikely Melnyk would get in too much trouble but you never know with this league.
  • The CHLPA story is downright bizarre.  I won’t even begin to attempt to explain the whole thing but you can get a pretty good break down here.  Really have to feel for any players that got involved with this group.
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0 #1 Andrews Theory 2012-11-02 10:53
Hate to say it but I think Melnyk is gonna get smacked, hopefully others follow suit and pressure both sides into getting something done. Either way, he probably wins with the fan base though.

This is chlpa thing looks awfully dirty.
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+2 #2 SensFanInMTL 2012-11-02 11:18
Melnyk > Heatley
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+4 #3 miguel 2012-11-02 11:23
you have to admire the passion our owner Melnyk portrays. He is without a doubt a devoted Hockey fan.
And for those who question his wealth, he is well situated even after his divorce complications.
He has been brilliant in his purchasing of the Sens and the building at a relative steal for what it was originally valued at, and he has the right people in place to ensure that the entire conglomorate of companies associated, make him plenty of revenue in return.
The fact that he has the right people in place to produce excellent talent at the right price, only goes to further prove his business acumen.
We are extremely fortunate to have this type of owner in our city, Melnyk is precisely the perfect fit for the city of Ottawa, good but wise person, hard working, humble and modest, and above all passionate.
Praise Melnyk!!!
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+2 #4 Andrews Theory 2012-11-02 11:33
Agreed Miguel!

if you've ever been upstairs at Scotia Bank, there are pictures of all of the original shareholders. When Melnyk bought the Sens they were going to take them down and Euge told them to leave it up.

When his buddy was going to lose his bar in a divorce, Euge bought it (Berts in Barbados) and essentially gave it back to the guy to run.

I wouldn't trade him for any other owner. Betwen Euge and Jeff Hunt this city has got some terrific sports owners.
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0 #5 jakester 2012-11-02 11:37
Agreed well put guys, Melnyk is the type of owner any team would want - very passionate about the sport and smart enough to let his bright people run it. OK when is the next AHL game. When we talk NHL all we hear are crickets! To hell with Bettman and the Fehr's.
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+1 #6 383 2012-11-02 11:39
Good on ya Euge!!!!

Bettman can try and put a muzzle on all the owners because he knows what he's doing is wrong.

Get rid of Gary, that's the only way the NHL will be back.
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+3 #7 AllStarAlfie 2012-11-02 11:57
Bsens play tonight at 7 by the way. ustream.tv/chan nel/bsenshockey live Should have it
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+1 #8 conor_smythe 2012-11-02 12:47
When I read these comments yesterday I thought that they were borderline, but after rereading I very much doubt there will be disciplinary actions against Melnyk. He doesn't discuss anything that's controversial, just says they should be playing.

I think its great to have an owner who is as much of as fan as everyone else. Its also good to have an owner who actually manages his club like a business. If more teams had the "new-Senators" mentality, there would be a lot less teams losing money

you cant really fault owners, gms, or players for trying to get the most of out the previous CBA before it expired, but just look at the Karlsson contract compared to all the others that were signed Pre-Lockout... I think its speaks volumes to what Ottawa is doing compared to other Orginizations.



You know, as much as Im on the players side about the whole Honoring existing contracts thing.. I think it would be great if they got rolledback just a little. with the Turris, Neil, Smith and Karlsson signings already at bargain prices, a rollback would mean a ton of profit for the Sens in the next few years.


Conversly, Id much rather see higher salary teams get fucked over with no rollback, but a smaller salary cap. that would be super entertaining.
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0 #9 miguel 2012-11-02 13:05
Quoting Andrews Theory:
Agreed Miguel!

if you've ever been upstairs at Scotia Bank, there are pictures of all of the original shareholders. When Melnyk bought the Sens they were going to take them down and Euge told them to leave it up.

When his buddy was going to lose his bar in a divorce, Euge bought it (Berts in Barbados) and essentially gave it back to the guy to run.

I wouldn't trade him for any other owner. Betwen Euge and Jeff Hunt this city has got some terrific sports owners.


yes true with Hunt leading our future Football team, and OSEG in charge of a future soccer team this city is sitting in the best of hands to promote excellent sportiing entertainment for years to come. No wonder Hall of Famer Nolan Ryan wants into the City of Ottawa... smart man.
now all we need is to get the NHL back on the ice and out of the boardrooms :)
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0 #10 conor_smythe 2012-11-02 13:37
Quoting miguel:

yes true with Hunt leading our future Football team, and OSEG in charge of a future soccer team this city is sitting in the best of hands to promote excellent sportiing entertainment for years to come. No wonder Hall of Famer Nolan Ryan wants into the City of Ottawa... smart man.
now all we need is to get the NHL back on the ice and out of the boardrooms :)


I thought it was Eugene originally trying to bring MLS to Ottawa.. OSEG is taking that over now?
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0 #11 Patrick 2.0 2012-11-02 13:50
ok...I read the euge article yesterday, so my memory isn't the greatest BUT all I remember him saying is that he wish there was some hockey going on....uhhh..... that would be rediculous if he got slapped with anything.

I'm gonna have to go re-read the article now to see where he might of gotten in trouble.
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-1 #12 IcySurfas 2012-11-02 13:52
I got to say, Im getting a little tired of the whole "Im done with hockey..no tickets, no merchandise, no Centre Ice pack...blah blah blah" that many are saying. To start off...I was guilty of that until a couple weeks ago when I realized that despite my frustrations... I deperately missed hockey, and I would come crawling back once this thing is all over.

Listen..brother s and sisters...I understand your pain and frustration. And in all of this, we all simply want to heard. No one (in the media) is talking about the fans, and its pissing us off. So we want to be heard...and were getting desperate by using the only card we have, which is the whole "I will take my business elsewhere" and stomp out of the store.

If some people are actually steadfast with their promises to "give up" and move on from opening their wallets to hockey, then the truth is we wouldnt even be reading those comments. They wouldnt bother. The ones we are reading (yes...I was guilty too) are the ones that are saying it to desperately get some attention in all this.And rightfully so!! We want to be heard in this whole messed up situation, and were not.

Secondly, the whole "hockey players make too much money" thing has to stop too. Do they? (yes...probably ). But thats just the way it is. Professional sports around the world (that we love to watch and go nuts for) will have very well played athletes. Just the way it is. Did Keanu Reeves deserve 100 million for the matrix movies...probab ly not, but that the nature of that business. As is hockey.

If any of you think hockey players are "greedy", then prove them wrong. Take 10% of your pay cheque and give it back to your boss for no reason. Sounds silly? Well guess what, there will always be someone in an income bracket lower than yours that doesnt think so at all. Think about that.
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0 #13 MethotToMyMadness 2012-11-02 15:02
Wow, that's the first I heard of the CHLPA story, crazy sh!t. How could it all get so messed up? You know, its better if they don't have a union anyway, let the kids just play and leave all the business side to the AHL/NHL. Then again, with how the NHL is going, drop the unions all together, lol.

As for Melnyk I can't see them doing to much, more of a warning I'd expect. The NHL has bigger problems, like getting Hockey BACK on the Ice.

And the talk about the Winter Classic, wasn't it originally supposed to be the big ticket item of the NHL? If it's cancelled, doesn't the NHL as a whole get affected? I can't understand how the owners could put more pressure on the NHLPA if that happens, I'd think it would be reversed, would it not? You've lost the Classic, what else do you want to lose? Anyway, maybe I'm missing something.
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0 #14 conservativeHippie 2012-11-02 15:04
As for the whole CHLPA issue going on...I say hockeyyinsider is involved!
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-2 #15 Sandy 2012-11-02 15:07
I don't think Melnyk said anything derogatory against the NHL or the PA. Daly did say that the NHL is flexible on this... he will probably get a warning.

What Melnyk did say that surprises me is that not too many season ticket holders cancelled their tickets. He also said that the Sens are the biggest employer in Ottawa outside of the Government.

So this lockout affects more people than we ever imagined.

Haven't been paying too much attention to this CHLPA thing.. but after reading the link Chirp provided really makes me question what is really going on. Was it run by a bunch of crooks out to take advantage of children? And yes, some of these players are still children.

Another point is... why do you have to unionize 16 - 20 yr olds. It just makes no sense.

I refuse to get my hopes up regarding any CBA discussion. I will get excited only when they say it is settled.

Anyone have a lineup for tonight's B-Sens game? Read somewhere that Prince could be in the lineup tonight? Like to see what he would do with Hoffman... Go B-Sens.. get back to winning.
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0 #16 conservativeHippie 2012-11-02 15:08
@methot : its just continent wide coverage and 100,000 gate tickets...means nothing to the players. They'll just demand 50% of LAST years revenues...god knows they won't want to split future revenues...reve nues that will be down at least 50% from last year.

Anyone know how salary cap and escrow is supposed to work now?!?
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0 #17 WeAreSensFans! 2012-11-02 15:14
I think the talks are about cancelling the season.
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-2 #18 Sandy 2012-11-02 15:23
Completely off topic.. but an interesting watch.

Apparently this started in the handshake line:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9zzOwVMT07w
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0 #19 yawnzzz 2012-11-02 15:23
"NHL, NHLPA to Resume Talks"...

Who gives a fuck anymore?


Fuck em'.. I'm not watching some half assed rushed 3 month NHL season.

They better have their shit together by the 2013-14 season.
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+1 #20 Peluso 2012-11-02 15:32
Great news today!!!! - one less maple queefs game we gotta watch! WOOOOOOOOO
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0 #21 Peluso 2012-11-02 15:33
Quoting Sandy:
Completely off topic.. but an interesting watch.

Apparently this started in the handshake line:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9zzOwVMT07w


AMAZING.
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+4 #22 timwrx 2012-11-02 15:36
Let's go B-Sens! Turn that PP around tonight! Kick some Norfolk butt!
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-2 #23 Sandy 2012-11-02 15:41
Quoting Peluso:
Quoting Sandy:
Completely off topic.. but an interesting watch.

Apparently this started in the handshake line:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9zzOwVMT07w


AMAZING.



You know what else is funny. Apparently BizNasty (Paul Bissionnette) just signed to play with the Cardiff Devils... one of the teams in this video...
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-2 #24 Sandy 2012-11-02 15:42
Quoting timwrx:
Let's go B-Sens! Turn that PP around tonight! Kick some Norfolk butt!



Is it true that Shane Prince is in the lineup tonight? What about Cowen - they need him!!!
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-2 #25 Sandy 2012-11-02 15:43
Something I saw on GM Hockey.

This is real disturbing and I hope so untrue.

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Denis Beyak just said on Winnipeg radio that a player agent just told him that Donald Fehr chastised the players for signing an agreement in July last time (when there were no paychecks to be had), and that the NHLPA has an internal deadline of December 2013 (13 months from now).

Says that the agent told him that Fehr was brought in to "win", and that he convinced the players that they may have to sit a long time. If any of this is true, I think that is horrible advice and miscalculation.
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+2 #26 Mat 2012-11-02 16:53
Nothing but green thumbs up on the board today. It must be the weekend... : )

Go BSens!
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0 #27 C.J. 2012-11-02 17:56
does anyone have a link that i can stream the game from?? please help im desperate hahaha
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0 #28 WeAreSensFans! 2012-11-02 18:26
i'm starting to think the OHL is more organized and better suited for professional hockey than the AHL.

why do we have prospects in the AHL again? each game i see the fans look like they're time warped sporting 1980's fashion and very limited no Hd video feeds.

seems like the Amature Hockey League to me.
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+4 #29 SensChirp 2012-11-02 18:40
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/bsenshockeylive
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0 #30 Mat 2012-11-02 19:13
Quoting WeAreSensFans!:
i'm starting to think the OHL is more organized and better suited for professional hockey than the AHL.

why do we have prospects in the AHL again? each game i see the fans look like they're time warped sporting 1980's fashion and very limited no Hd video feeds.

seems like the Amature Hockey League to me.


Hahaha

AHL hockey is what Indy car racing fans watch when the racing season is over...

I would agree that the AHL is missing a valuable opportunity to build a bigger fan base by NOT reaching a substantial TV agreement (at least with a Canadian distributor), by not upgrading their tv and web capabilities, by not promoting more in Canada, etc...

But hey! Not everyone likes money...
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0 #31 Mat 2012-11-02 19:21
This is a much better effort than last Sunday thus far.... Much more entertaining to watch. Good to see Lehner, Da Costa and Prince in the lineup.

Just need Cowen and Stone back and we'll be good to go.
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0 #32 timwrx 2012-11-02 19:33
Quoting Mat:
Quoting WeAreSensFans!:
i'm starting to think the OHL is more organized and better suited for professional hockey than the AHL.

why do we have prospects in the AHL again? each game i see the fans look like they're time warped sporting 1980's fashion and very limited no Hd video feeds.

seems like the Amature Hockey League to me.


Hahaha

AHL hockey is what Indy car racing fans watch when the racing season is over...

I would agree that the AHL is missing a valuable opportunity to build a bigger fan base by NOT reaching a substantial TV agreement (at least with a Canadian distributor), by not upgrading their tv and web capabilities, by not promoting more in Canada, etc...

But hey! Not everyone likes money...


Not enough local revenue is available in all markets. Affilation agreements impact a lot too.
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0 #33 gordon of riverworld 2012-11-02 19:47
Quoting Mat:
Nothing but green thumbs up on the board today. It must be the weekend... : )


... and the Big Mouths with Small Agendas have all vanished.

Lots of good hockey talk from the people who finally get to talk.
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0 #34 ZachPraiseTheSwedes 2012-11-02 19:56
Quoting IcySurfas:
I got to say, Im getting a little tired of the whole "Im done with hockey..no tickets, no merchandise, no Centre Ice pack...blah blah blah" that many are saying. To start off...I was guilty of that until a couple weeks ago when I realized that despite my frustrations...I deperately missed hockey, and I would come crawling back once this thing is all over.

Listen..brothers and sisters...I understand your pain and frustration. And in all of this, we all simply want to heard. No one (in the media) is talking about the fans, and its pissing us off. So we want to be heard...and were getting desperate by using the only card we have, which is the whole "I will take my business elsewhere" and stomp out of the store.

If some people are actually steadfast with their promises to "give up" and move on from opening their wallets to hockey, then the truth is we wouldnt even be reading those comments. They wouldnt bother. The ones we are reading (yes...I was guilty too) are the ones that are saying it to desperately get some attention in all this.And rightfully so!! We want to be heard in this whole messed up situation, and were not.

Secondly, the whole "hockey players make too much money" thing has to stop too. Do they? (yes...probably). But thats just the way it is. Professional sports around the world (that we love to watch and go nuts for) will have very well played athletes. Just the way it is. Did Keanu Reeves deserve 100 million for the matrix movies...probably not, but that the nature of that business. As is hockey.

If any of you think hockey players are "greedy", then prove them wrong. Take 10% of your pay cheque and give it back to your boss for no reason. Sounds silly? Well guess what, there will always be someone in an income bracket lower than yours that doesnt think so at all. Think about that.


Best comment since this lockout started!
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0 #35 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2012-11-02 19:58
JGP is good. He's going to find himself in the pros sooner rather than later.
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+1 #36 jakester 2012-11-02 20:02
I love wtching Hoffman so slick and a great shot! JGP is good.
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0 #37 ZachPraiseTheSwedes 2012-11-02 20:15
I find funny about the people who are saying they won't watch hockey and/or spend money on the nhl is that clearly its all BS.

If you're so "over the nhl" and "don't care about it" anymore you wouldn't be posting on here.

Taking the time to read articles on TSN and other media sources including senschirp means you care BIG TIME and once hockey is back you will dive right back in

So do everyone a favor and quit this annoying nonsense. The only fans the nhl might loose are the casual weekens sports fan from the states
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0 #38 Mat 2012-11-02 20:28
Quoting ZachPraiseTheSwedes:
I find funny about the people who are saying they won't watch hockey and/or spend money on the nhl is that clearly its all BS.

If you're so "over the nhl" and "don't care about it" anymore you wouldn't be posting on here.

Taking the time to read articles on TSN and other media sources including senschirp means you care BIG TIME and once hockey is back you will dive right back in

So do everyone a favor and quit this annoying nonsense. The only fans the nhl might loose are the casual weekens sports fan from the states


Not to toot my own horn but some of us were stating that "obvious" back in the the preseason... And got a lot of confrontation for it too!

Feel free to search the archives to find your allies.
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+2 #39 Mat 2012-11-02 20:32
If you're not streaming the game, you should. This is a good one. Lots of offense from the BSens.
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0 #40 AllStarAlfie 2012-11-02 20:38
4-3 bingo with 7 minutes to go in the 3rd
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0 #41 C.J. 2012-11-02 20:51
thanks a lot for the link!!
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+2 #42 Mat 2012-11-02 20:51
Bingo quashes Norfolks 19 game home winning streak despite some end of game homer calls from the refs...

Atta boys!!
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0 #43 timwrx 2012-11-02 20:55
Great win in a tough place Bingo boys!
Elmira wins yet again in South Carolina! Sens taking it to Dixie!
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0 #44 The Silfver Surfer 2012-11-02 21:02
The NHL has changed their offer regarding the "make whole" concept from taking the money from the players share to the owners share. Could be a step in the right direction.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=408711
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0 #45 jakester 2012-11-02 21:13
Oklahoma city winning 3-2 against Houston but r being outshot 32-14. Geez the oilers can't even dominate the AHL!
Smells like another top 3 pick for Edmonton if the NHL is back this year.
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0 #46 TheGritty3rdLiner 2012-11-02 23:32
Silfverberg seems to be coming into his own in the last few games. I also really like what I see out of Pageau and Wiercioch. And Jessiman.
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0 #47 Andrews Theory 2012-11-03 07:30
Quoting TheGritty3rdLiner:
Silfverberg seems to be coming into his own in the last few games. I also really like what I see out of Pageau and Wiercioch. And Jessiman.


i think Wiercioch stock is going to start climbing again, he moves awfully well for a big man.
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0 #48 Mark33 2012-11-03 08:26
Who scored for us last night and who was in nets?
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0 #49 conor_smythe 2012-11-03 09:44
Quoting Andrews Theory:


i think Wiercioch stock is going to start climbing again, he moves awfully well for a big man.


Been a Wiercioch fan for a while, he's a really smooth skater and a lot of people don't know, he actually put up 2 assists in the 7 or 8 games he played in the NHL

plus he's a giant. ahl.com has him listed at 6'5, but I seem to remember nhl.com had him at 6'4

either way its beastly
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0 #50 TheGritty3rdLiner 2012-11-03 10:10
Quoting Andrews Theory:
Quoting TheGritty3rdLiner:
Silfverberg seems to be coming into his own in the last few games. I also really like what I see out of Pageau and Wiercioch. And Jessiman.


i think Wiercioch stock is going to start climbing again, he moves awfully well for a big man.


He reminds me of Lidstrom in a way that he is a big guy but moves smoothly around the ice.
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0 #51 TheGritty3rdLiner 2012-11-03 10:12
Quoting TheGritty3rdLiner:
Quoting Andrews Theory:
Quoting TheGritty3rdLiner:
Silfverberg seems to be coming into his own in the last few games. I also really like what I see out of Pageau and Wiercioch. And Jessiman.


i think Wiercioch stock is going to start climbing again, he moves awfully well for a big man.


He reminds me of Lidstrom in a way that he is a big guy but moves smoothly around the ice.


Sorry, I guess Lidstrom isn't really that big, but it seems that way because he's so lanky. I see the similarities offensively anyway.
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+1 #52 HNIC Snoopy 2012-11-03 10:58
Nothing will come out of the Melnyk comments, since he simply made a statement that he felt we should be playing hockey .

Let's hope that Daly and Fehr can restart the negotiations,
and get closer to resolving their ridiculous standoff positions, and get down to finalizing the deal to start playing sooner than never!

NHL is ready to make a concession on "make whole" offer,
in their last proposal. Donald Fehr must work to keep moving this process to a close !!
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-2 #53 Sandy 2012-11-03 12:19
I refuse to get optimistic about these talks. It hurts too much when the NHLPA refuses to accept the deal.

The NHL's offer to pay the 'make whole' appears to be a good one.. BUT what do we not know about it.

The chance to get this settled rests with Bill Daly and Steve Fehr. Getting the egos like Bettman & Donald Fehr out of the talks is indeed a good one.

I will get excited and optimistic once they tell me this is all settled.

B-Sens won... yeah.... 67's also won -- on the road yet... 6-1.. good game by them FINALLY.
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-4 #54 Sandy 2012-11-03 12:40
John Shannon‏@JSport snet

Following last night's story about making players "whole", Don Fehr sends memo to players to "not read too much into media reports".
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+5 #55 HNIC Snoopy 2012-11-03 12:42
Quoting Sandy:
John Shannon‏@JSportsnet

Following last night's story about making players "whole", Don Fehr sends memo to players to "not read too much into media reports".



DONALD FEHR IS NOTHING BUT A SHIT DISTURBER !!
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-1 #56 Ray McCabe 2012-11-03 15:55
Quoting HNIC Snoopy:
Quoting Sandy:
John Shannon‏@JSportsnet

Following last night's story about making players "whole", Don Fehr sends memo to players to "not read too much into media reports".



DONALD FEHR IS NOTHING BUT A SHIT DISTURBER !!


We should send Fehr to the KHL where he belongs with all the other pinko Obama supporters.
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0 #57 WeAreSensFans! 2012-11-03 16:29
Quoting Ray McCabe:
Quoting HNIC Snoopy:
Quoting Sandy:
John Shannon‏@JSportsnet

Following last night's story about making players "whole", Don Fehr sends memo to players to "not read too much into media reports".



DONALD FEHR IS NOTHING BUT A SHIT DISTURBER !!


We should send Fehr to the KHL where he belongs with all the other pinko Obama supporters.


What? do you dislike obama? do you believe romneys lies and think obama F'd up the system when Bush destroyed the modern worlds economy ?

Healthcare is good to have my friend.

but this is not a politcs site.
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+1 #58 dean the dream brown 2012-11-03 16:45
Quoting Ray McCabe:


We should send Fehr to the KHL where he belongs with all the other pinko Obama supporters.


American Politics = YAWN !
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0 #59 WeAreSensFans! 2012-11-03 17:07
Quoting dean the dream brown:
Quoting Ray McCabe:


We should send Fehr to the KHL where he belongs with all the other pinko Obama supporters.


American Politics = YAWN !


But they could screw us over.
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+1 #60 freebird 2012-11-03 17:18
Quoting WeAreSensFans!:
Quoting dean the dream brown:
Quoting Ray McCabe:


We should send Fehr to the KHL where he belongs with all the other pinko Obama supporters.


American Politics = YAWN !


But they could screw us over.


FREEBIRD
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0 #61 WeAreSensFans! 2012-11-03 17:23
Quoting freebird:
Quoting WeAreSensFans!:
Quoting dean the dream brown:
Quoting Ray McCabe:


We should send Fehr to the KHL where he belongs with all the other pinko Obama supporters.


American Politics = YAWN !


But they could screw us over.


FREEBIRD


Thanks i needed that.

hey chirp where are the bingo GDT's?
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-1 #62 Sandy 2012-11-03 17:40
This was in an article in the Ottawa Sun:


"Of course, the cost of the Make Whole provision is dropping day-by-day. The players are losing about a collective $9.3 million a day. Each passing day also brings the NHL a day closer to having those contracts that have to be honoured closer to completion.

There are about 270 contracts that will expire after this season and another 215 that will be up after the 2013-14 season. That’s close to 500 contracts out of the mix in less than two years. That sounds well and good, but you have to also consider that the remaining longer-term contracts which will have to be honoured are those that belong to the stars like Ilya Kovalchuk, Sidney Crosby and Alex Ovechkin, guys who are making considerable money.

One agent estimated the cost of the Make Whole provision for next season would have been about $230 million given a full season.".

Entire article:


http://www.ottawasun.com/2012/11/03/make-whole-at-centre-of-talks
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+3 #63 Colin 2012-11-03 18:12
Quoting IcySurfas:
I got to say, Im getting a little tired of the whole "Im done with hockey..no tickets, no merchandise, no Centre Ice pack...blah blah blah" that many are saying. To start off...I was guilty of that until a couple weeks ago when I realized that despite my frustrations...I deperately missed hockey, and I would come crawling back once this thing is all over.

Listen..brothers and sisters..........

If any of you think hockey players are "greedy", then prove them wrong. Take 10% of your pay cheque and give it back to your boss for no reason. Sounds silly? Well guess what, there will always be someone in an income bracket lower than yours that doesnt think so at all. Think about that.


Sorry, but if they do come back, I am done for the year. I love the Senators, but as a fan, my voice is only heard by not opening my wallet. I am pissed off and I will not go running back immediately and forgive and forget.

As for the average fan giving 10% back to their boss, you absolutely cannot compare NHL salaries with the real world. A guy making $800k giving back 10% loses $80k, and goes down to $720k. Whatever will he do? Joe fan making $50k gives back $5k. That's his car payments, rent, food or any other number of bills that have to be paid. Hell, maybe it's his season ticket money!
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0 #64 WeAreSensFans! 2012-11-03 18:53
i think the players of all professional sports are overpaid,

i just think that a signed contract for "x" period of time is legally binding, the players should keep their contracts. the bad deals were made by GM's.

management should own up to its own faults.
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+1 #65 Muckalt 2012-11-03 18:54
If I understand today's developments correctly, the two sides to this dispute have agreed to speak to one another to further the negotiations. What a relief, the negotiators have agreed to negotiate! Wake me up when there is a deal.
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0 #66 Sandy 2012-11-03 19:01
2-0 for Norfolk after the 1st period.

Bishop in net... Lawson is the backup?

Where the hell is Lehner? I thought Lawson was in Elmira.

TIMWRX -- anything wrong with Robin?
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0 #67 WeAreSensFans! 2012-11-03 19:04
outshot 26-8 in the first period.

bishop should get the rust off tonight with that many shots
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+1 #68 jakester 2012-11-03 19:14
lost the baby sens feed is there another stream?
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0 #69 hussain 2012-11-03 19:38
http://www.thefirstrow.eu/watch/150863/1/watch-ahl:-binghamton-senators-vs-norfolk-admirals.html
stream

atdhe is great for streams
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+3 #70 Shibal07 2012-11-03 20:04
Man, I'v been a Zibanejad supporter since he got drafted. I also did not like that fact he was involved on the trade rumours aswell.

Hate to say it, but all the doubts have caught up to me now. 3 assists, in 9 games playing top six, is not impressive at all, Let alone he has 0 goals. I'v been waiting for him to score his first pro goal since last year 9 game stint with the Senators, now 9 games into the season he still has no goal for a second tier pro league.

Last year he was impressive during preseason, but not so much during the season. It seems like he is following the same pattern this year.

In contrast Cotourier has 8 points in 9 games so far. This really hurts me lol.
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+1 #71 AllStarAlfie 2012-11-03 20:11
3-1 Norfolk in the 2nd intermission. Benoit with the goal, congrats to prince on his first pro assist!
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+1 #72 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2012-11-03 20:17
Robin Lehner >>>> Ben Bishop.
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+1 #73 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2012-11-03 20:22
Wiercoch has improved a lot finally showing the offensive D he was drafted to do
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+1 #74 AllStarAlfie 2012-11-03 20:22
Quoting jasonontheoldsenschirp:
Robin Lehner >>>> Ben Bishop.


Agreed
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+1 #75 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2012-11-03 20:29
Quoting AllStarAlfie:
Quoting jasonontheoldsenschirp:
Robin Lehner >>>> Ben Bishop.


Agreed


Not that I think Bishop is BAD [he isn't great tonight], it's just that Lehner is so amazing.
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+1 #76 AllStarAlfie 2012-11-03 20:32
Wiercioch scores to reduce the lead to 4-2
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+1 #77 TheGritty3rdLiner 2012-11-03 20:34
I love Wiercioch. Offensive stud.
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0 #78 timwrx 2012-11-03 20:41
This team is infected by the inconsistent bug.
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0 #79 jakester 2012-11-03 20:50
Zibby and Silfverbeg are invisible. Hoffman looks like the only worthy call-up. Maybe Wiorcioch on D - he's much better than Borocop. Prince and Pageau might be our true prospects lol. Where's Stone for pete sakes?
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-2 #80 Sandy 2012-11-03 21:06
Cowen supposedly has a 'pulled muscle'. Gryba with a hand injury... what is the injury to Stone -- do we know?

I find it difficult to get injury information from Binghamton.

Missed most of the 1st period.. it appears by the SOG they decided not to be ready to start the game.

At least the 67's won.. Two wins in a row...record now 6-8-0-2 (I think)
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0 #81 Sandy 2012-11-03 21:07
Quoting jakester:
Zibby and Silfverbeg are invisible. Hoffman looks like the only worthy call-up. Maybe Wiorcioch on D - he's much better than Borocop. Prince and Pageau might be our true prospects lol. Where's Stone for pete sakes?


I'm willing to give Zib & Silfverberg more than 9 games before I send them out with the trash... but that's just my opinion.
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+1 #82 Alcatraz 2012-11-03 21:16
Quoting Sandy:
Quoting jakester:
Zibby and Silfverbeg are invisible. Hoffman looks like the only worthy call-up. Maybe Wiorcioch on D - he's much better than Borocop. Prince and Pageau might be our true prospects lol. Where's Stone for pete sakes?


I'm willing to give Zib & Silfverberg more than 9 games before I send them out with the trash... but that's just my opinion.


But thats not the sens fan way! unless of course your name is butler or filatov then you get all the benefit of doubt

in all honesty give them time, they will start to click
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-1 #83 Sandy 2012-11-03 22:05
Quoting Alcatraz:
Quoting Sandy:
Quoting jakester:
Zibby and Silfverbeg are invisible. Hoffman looks like the only worthy call-up. Maybe Wiorcioch on D - he's much better than Borocop. Prince and Pageau might be our true prospects lol. Where's Stone for pete sakes?


I'm willing to give Zib & Silfverberg more than 9 games before I send them out with the trash... but that's just my opinion.


But thats not the sens fan way! unless of course your name is butler or filatov then you get all the benefit of doubt

in all honesty give them time, they will start to click


Silfverburg is used to the large ice surface in Europe -- and now he is playing on the smallest ice surface in the AHL (told to us by Bingo fans). It will take him some time to get use to not having the room and the time to make plays he is used to. He probably will do better on an NHL ice surface.
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+2 #84 ZachPraiseTheSwedes 2012-11-03 22:24
It bothers me people are expecting Silfverberg to be the most dynamic player in the league.

He's not that type of player!!

His only real asset that sets him apart is his lethal shot. A good shot won't make you look like a player whose dominating out there.

If you wached him play in sweden it was the same deal. He didn't skate withe the puck on his stick every game. In fact it was quite the opposite. He was basically invisible until he got the puck on his stick in the slot...and before anyone could blink it was in the back of the net.

When he scores it won't be flashy plays. It will be him the right spot at the right time. Similar to a player like Heatley. He never did much except get to open areas and either wait for rebounds or wait for Spezza to find him with dirty feeds.

Silfverberg is the exact same player. Just skates better.

So stop harassing him because he doesn't dangle around kids in the AHL. He will get his chances to shoot and he will score
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+1 #85 jakester 2012-11-03 22:25
I'm not throwing them under the bus - they have great potential but they were invisible in tonight's game. Right now if the NHL starts up I leave those 2 guys in the AHL. I think Hoffman and Stone(injured right now) are the guys who are more NHL ready. Hoffman sort of skates the puck up ice like 65 for the Senators.
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+1 #86 jakester 2012-11-03 22:27
I agree on Silfverberg but the goalies in Sweden you can beat on 35ft shots not the ones in the AHL and NHL. He needs work and would benefit from a full year of AHL lets not rush him. Stone on the right side with Spezza and Michalek would be the wise move.
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+1 #87 AllStarAlfie 2012-11-03 22:45
Hey chirp can you do a gdt when the bsens play? It would be greatly appreciated just like the updates
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+1 #88 TheGritty3rdLiner 2012-11-04 04:28
I'm giving Silfverberg and Zibanejad a year to develop. Switching from the large ice to the small ice is a big adjustment and both are so skilled that they will get the hang of it eventually and start doing really well.
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0 #89 HNIC Snoopy 2012-11-04 09:26
According to TSN on Sunday morning, it seems that Daly and Steve Fehr met Saturday, until 1 AM on Sunday morning !!??

Both said they made some progress on core issues,and would be meeting again early next week, to continue discussions.

Both these 2 guys should meet, until a deal is agreed upon, and leave Bettman and Donald Fehr away from negotiations,
simply because they are too abrupt with each other,and talks go nowhere!

We want a resolution to bring back our winter pastime ASAP.
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+1 #90 conor_smythe 2012-11-04 09:33
Well said zachparaisethe swedes

It took me about 3 games of watching silfverberg play to discover that he isn't the puck possession guy I thought he was. He sneaks in out of nowhere and finds the puck on his stick by anticipating the play better than others (alfie)

Playing with a centreman who can make ridiculous passes (spezza, turris) I see silfverberg being a hugely successful prospect


Zibby is another case, could be the adjustment, but I have no idea what kind of game he's playing. I said mike Fisher type player earlier and I hope that's wrong. Fisher always left us wanting more. Terribly inconsistent on the score sheet but such a good defensive game that you couldn't really talk shit

Oh ya and fisher had a killer release too.... I really hope there's another dimension to zibanejads game that just hasn't whown up yet



Mark stone is our best prospect. He's a point getter, no question about it. Hes just going to go out and score a point a game no matter what the score is. Does anybody know what his injury is? Why isn't there a website for this stuff? I've searched high and low. Would like to see some more of what he can do.
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-4 #91 Andrews Theory 2012-11-04 10:12
I grimaced when they announced zbad over Couterier and I've been waiting for him to prove me wrong ever since.

No question that he's an NHL caliber player but the resemblance to Fishers game is a little bit alarming for such a high pick.

All the flash in the world coupled with a great shot is only effective if the puck ends up in the net.

Definitely hope he begins to hit his stride as the year goes on and I agree that regardless of the NHL coming back this year, leave him in the minors to work on his offense. If he comes in as a grinder, I think he'll peek as a great 3rd liner/ borderline second liner.

Very excited to see what Prince can do, I'm pretty confident that he develops further than at least one of our big three forward prospects.
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+2 #92 Sensfan90 2012-11-04 10:17
People have to keep in mind we do not have a stud center in Bingo right now and for wingers like Zbad and Silverburg that makes a big difference. Having a Spezza or a Turris creates a lot more room for those guys.
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-1 #93 Sandy 2012-11-04 12:12
I don`t think we can compare Mika to Couturier right now.

Couturier has had the benefit of a full NHL season on a good team.

Mika had 9 NHL games on a team struggling at the beginning of last season. Then he goes back to Sweden to play on a crappy team.

I have heard Luke Richardson say a couple of times on his weekly Team 1200 interviews about Mika being the best forward during some of the games.

Binghamton is said to be one of the youngest teams in the AHL.. that will bring inconsistency.

Do we know what is wrong with Stone?
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-1 #94 Sandy 2012-11-04 13:17
"Our" future is AWESOME:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGjWql6VJdM&feature=g-vre
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0 #95 TookieIs100PercentRight 2012-11-04 14:39
Quoting Sandy:

Do we know what is wrong with Stone?


Nothing wrong with Stone, he's alwready shown he can pefrorm at the NHL playoff level.

Zibanejad is looking lost out there. Two assists so far, at that? This is what a 6th overall pick gets us?

Aeden Helmer two days ago:

"“Obviously coming from the wider international-s ized ice, it’s a much different game in North America. It’s a much tighter game and things happen a lot quicker. You have no room with the puck, you have to be able to make plays quicker and you have to absorb body checks a lot more often. There’s not a whole lot of room out there, and you have to battle for every inch.”

Both players have been used on the power play and penalty kill, but have yet to find their flow 5-on-5, as Richardson routinely rotates four lines to compensate for the compacted schedule."

Zibby invisible again yesterday. Silf shows up, but sporadically. These are the guys are supposed to win us a Stanley Cup...Bingo is in 9th place right now.
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+1 #96 GreeningTheMonster 2012-11-04 14:53
Quoting TookieIs100PercentRight:
Quoting Sandy:

Do we know what is wrong with Stone?


Nothing wrong with Stone, he's alwready shown he can pefrorm at the NHL playoff level.

Zibanejad is looking lost out there. Two assists so far, at that? This is what a 6th overall pick gets us?

Aeden Helmer two days ago:

"“Obviously coming from the wider international-sized ice, it’s a much different game in North America. It’s a much tighter game and things happen a lot quicker. You have no room with the puck, you have to be able to make plays quicker and you have to absorb body checks a lot more often. There’s not a whole lot of room out there, and you have to battle for every inch.”

Both players have been used on the power play and penalty kill, but have yet to find their flow 5-on-5, as Richardson routinely rotates four lines to compensate for the compacted schedule."

Zibby invisible again yesterday. Silf shows up, but sporadically. These are the guys are supposed to win us a Stanley Cup...Bingo is in 9th place right now.

I think sandy meant what's wrong with stone as in what's his injury and how long is he out for

As for your last paragraph, I never knew that they are going to stay at this same level till their last game in their careers. They're only gonna get better in the ahl. 2 players aren't gonna win u a cup alone, there are also role players that play a big part
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-1 #97 Sandy 2012-11-04 15:04
I think sandy meant what's wrong with stone as in what's his injury and how long is he out for

As for your last paragraph, I never knew that they are going to stay at this same level till their last game in their careers. They're only gonna get better in the ahl. 2 players aren't gonna win u a cup alone, there are also role players that play a big part

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Exactly... I'm wondering what the injury is...

As for Zibby & Silfverberg... it's 9 games into a new season... So they have struggled... You are going to base their future on 9 games?
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0 #98 Sandy 2012-11-04 16:11
Picked this up from Bob MacKenzie's twitter.

It's an article from a Michael Russo as to where the NHL/NHLPA stands right now.

In the non-monetary issues... seems a lot of concessions have been made towards the players.

An interesting read:

http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/177160641.html
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+1 #99 Sandy 2012-11-04 20:21
Read in the Ottawa Sun that Cowen has a hip flexor injury... now I think that is more serious than just a muscle pull -- right?
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+2 #100 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2012-11-04 21:47
puempel with another two tonight for kitch
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+2 #101 Shibal07 2012-11-04 23:38
To amplify on how much a goal scorer puempel is; The team has 47 goals for right now, which is about 3rd worst in the ohl, and he is on about 26% of those goals for.

He had 17 goals in 30 games last year. He already has 12 goals in 17 games, and the team is not even playing at its best. Just think how his production can inflate once guys like Faksa and Murphy start playing up to expections.

Not sure what is wrong with Noesen this season, but he is not playing well at all from a statistical point of view.

I remember reading an ottawa sun article in the middle of summer, where Noesen mentioned to his agent that this year his goal was to be 100 point player for plymouth.
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+2 #102 Eklund is a GOD 2012-11-05 00:23
Quoting TookieIs100PercentRight:


Zibby invisible again yesterday. Silf shows up, but sporadically. These are the guys are supposed to win us a Stanley Cup...Bingo is in 9th place right now.


This is exactly what a welcher's sycophant would say.
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+1 #103 TheGritty3rdLiner 2012-11-05 12:00
I wouldn't be worried about Noesen. The guy isn't going to be our primary scorer in Ottawa but more like a hard-working dependable 2nd-3rd liner with good offensive upside. It's not like he's had a bad year so far. He started well and now seems to have tailed off a bit, but he still has 8 goals in 16 games. Plus he's a -6 so I don't know how well the Whalers are playing right now.
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+1 #104 chadillac 2012-11-05 13:45
It grinds my gears that Don Brennan is suggesting that Lehner should be called up before Bishop. It's a small sample size and his plan for development is to be consistent all season. Lehner needs games. He doesn't need to sit on the bench when the NHL is back. It's typical, short-sighted Brennan.
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0 #105 Shibal07 2012-11-05 14:00
Quoting TheGritty3rdLiner:
I wouldn't be worried about Noesen. The guy isn't going to be our primary scorer in Ottawa but more like a hard-working dependable 2nd-3rd liner with good offensive upside. It's not like he's had a bad year so far. He started well and now seems to have tailed off a bit, but he still has 8 goals in 16 games. Plus he's a -6 so I don't know how well the Whalers are playing right now.


I understand what you mean, but regardless of him maxing out as a hardworking second liner or not in the NHL, he should be getting better in the OHL every year, especially as a first rounder. Out of his 4 years so far in the OHL, this is probably his worst start since his rookie campaign.This kind of performance will also hurt his chances in playing WJHC this year aswell. He mentioned that he got all fired up last year because he was left out of WJHC last year. He indeed start playing a lot better post WJHC, but it's wrong to expect the same kind of reaction this year.

His performance from the playoffs last year, really left something to be desired for this year; 15 points in 7 games, which included 7 goals.
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+1 #106 The Apostle 2012-11-05 14:00
Quoting Sandy:

Silfverburg is used to the large ice surface in Europe -- and now he is playing on the smallest ice surface in the AHL (told to us by Bingo fans). It will take him some time to get use to not having the room and the time to make plays he is used to. He probably will do better on an NHL ice surface.



is the ice not a regulation size in the AHL? Is it a regulation size in the NHL?
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+3 #107 MethotToMyMadness 2012-11-05 15:39
I have to ask a question. Even with the AHL underway and the OHL getting better numbers, I'm finding it almost a chore to keep myself motivated enough to follow Hockey in general right now. Is anyone else in the same vote as me?

I've been a die hard follower well before the previous lockout, stat reader, keeping up on prospects, big into Hockey pools and looking for the next big dark horse. But with this lockout (and I'm not saying I'm boycotting Hockey, I know I'll return) I'm just having a hard time tuning in, trying to keep interested is a lot of work. Honestly, if it wasn't for Chirp and my occasional NHL 13 GM action online, I wouldn't be following Hockey at all right now.

I know I can't be the only one who feels this way.
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+2 #108 chadillac 2012-11-05 15:54
@Methot

I'm in the same boat. I'll use an old school quote to put it in perspective. "Once it hits your lips, it's so good!". I just need the NHL to hit my lips. Then, my pools will start, then my interest in prospects will increase, I'll follow stats, etc., etc., etc.
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0 #109 MethotToMyMadness 2012-11-05 16:09
Quoting chadillac:
@Methot

I'm in the same boat. I'll use an old school quote to put it in perspective. "Once it hits your lips, it's so good!". I just need the NHL to hit my lips. Then, my pools will start, then my interest in prospects will increase, I'll follow stats, etc., etc., etc.


Speaking of that, when does Anchorman 2 come out? I can't wait to see that.
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+1 #110 Sandy 2012-11-05 16:20
Quoting The Apostle:
Quoting Sandy:

Silfverburg is used to the large ice surface in Europe -- and now he is playing on the smallest ice surface in the AHL (told to us by Bingo fans). It will take him some time to get use to not having the room and the time to make plays he is used to. He probably will do better on an NHL ice surface.



is the ice not a regulation size in the AHL? Is it a regulation size in the NHL?


We were told by Binghamton fans when we were down for the games a couple of weeks ago that their ice surface was the smallest in the AHL. Their words.. not mine...
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0 #111 timwrx 2012-11-05 17:08
Its true. Shorter by about 3 feet at 197. Syracuse is 198 i believe.
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0 #112 Sandy 2012-11-05 17:11
Quoting timwrx:
Its true. Shorter by about 3 feet at 197. Syracuse is 198 i believe.



Thanks for the confirmation TIMWRX...
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