(UPDATE 6:03 PM)- A quick update on Senators defenceman Erik Karlsson. Word is there has been some progress in the negotiations and a contract isn't far off. I'm no longer thinking short term by the way. Had initially reported three years as a possibility but now it sounds like it could be more like seven.
Daniel Alfredsson spoke with Sens TV last night and as you can expect the topic of his decision for next season was at the centre of the conversation.
Alfie made it clear that he's still weighing his options and really doesn't want to rush this decision. When you consider the threat of a lock out looming, there really is no pressure on the Captain to make up his mind, one way or the other.
You can catch the full interview here but essentially what Alfredsson said is that at some point in the next 'few weeks', he hopes to have a decision one way or the other. He'll speak with Murray and MacLean in Vegas and let them know where his head is at right now.
Alfie began training a couple weeks back and was forced to stop after a temporary throat virus slowed him down. I still think that Alfredsson is leaning towards another season but listening to him in that interview it seems clear this could still go either way.
I am away from the computer today so just a quick update for now. A couple quick notes that I have come across so far today.
- The Senators have announced their pre season schedule for next season. It includes three home games and four on the road. First game is September 23 at the Bell Centre in Montreal and the first home game comes on the 25th against the Leafs. Obviously all that is assuming the season actually starts on time.
- The rumour has been floating around for a couple days now but I can confirm the Senators do have an interest in Hawks defenceman Niklas Hjalmarsson. I have read Zack Smith's name on other sites but would be surprised to see the Sens move him.
- A brief update on Rick Nash. One contact called it a "long shot". Safe to say there are other teams lined up to make a deal for Nash and the Sens are less likely than teams like the Rangers and Sharks. Still a chance though.
- Keep an eye on TJ Oshie. The Blues definitely want to bring the RFA to be back but should those negotiations turn sour, the Sens would apparently be interested.
- That's it for now. Keep an eye on my Twitter account, @SensChirp for any updates.
Haha good point. Changed that up for ya.
Who would the Sens be interested in?
If E. Kane is actually available I believe he should be our first choice, I can't see the Jets moving him though to young with to much up side
http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectdetail.htm?cat=2&dpid=10889&sort=finalRank&year=2012
And if they are willing to move him, what don't we know? why in the world would they trade a 20 year old 30 goal scorer?
He would be the ideal Alfie replacement in that he can play PP and masters the PK game, while playing top 6 minutes
BTW Chirp, when you post a new blog you should link it to your previous blog in the comments section. Fools like me who just click "refresh comments list" don't notice the new blog haha
Expected to go early 2nd round...so highly unlikely we can get him
You should probably ask Rob Lowe that question. :)
The rumor (and I stress RUMOR) is that he's unhappy in Winnipeg and not the only one (see Pavelec too). This would be the only reason he'd be on the block. There seems to be a lot of discontent/disc onnect between the Winnepeg management and the players. They also seem to have expected more from him too fast.
Whether or not it's true I don't know, but if he is available he'd be a great addition.
fast forward 2 years
Move to Winnipeg....rab id fans who have been waiting for years to see NHL hockey again...shitty weather....noth ing to do...lots of money and can't take a shit without someone seeing you
I wonder why he/others wouldn't be happy
That being said, Ottawa will be no better and a very similar situation.
I call bullshit on that rumor...
The other rumor is that Pavelec is all but gone. If that's true then suddenly the Jets need a goalie and might ask about Bishop/Lehner. If E Kane is looking like the next flight risk they may be willing to part with him to get a goalie+.
All speculation of course.
TJ Oshie offered qualifying offer.
To think the Blues wouldn't resign him is nonsense.
Exactly. Though in Ottawa he's not the face of the franchise like he is in Winnipeg. He'd probably be 4th or 5th down on the list, at least to start. Also he'd get a real 1st line C instead of Bryan Little who should be 2nd line at most.
Well obviously they would qualify him lol they aren't gunna just let him walk for free
that being said they do have a plentitude of forwards and may be looking to move one for tarasenko
Murray meet Shero
Shero meet Murray
Z.Michalek meet Murray
Murray meet Z.Michalek
Lets get this done
**BTW he is slated to earn $4 million for the next 3 years
Didn't Z Michalek have hip surgery at the end of last season? Anybody know how serious it really was? He would be a good pick up if healthy... but I think it's Martin that Pitts wants to move.
On the Nash front.. if Mike Richards return was Simmonds, Schenn & a 2nd round pick (I believe) how much better is Nash than Richards.. and why is the return so high?
I would actually compare simmonds to foligno (simmonds broke out this year)
Schenn is comparable to MZ, Stone or Silf
and then the 2nd
So in reality its not like CLb is asking for a whole lot more, but yes I do believe Nash commands a larger trade than Richards
I believe in Pavalec's case, he has a substantial offer from the KHL and will stay in the NHL if The Jets pay him accordingly.
Highly doubt he won't be a Blue next season.
They will address the D, then look at the forwards when alfie retires.
Yes regardless of our views, all these rumors stem from Murray saying his off-season goal is to acquire a top 6 forward capable of scoring 25g and a top 4 dman
Yes he challenged Foligno, but realistically if you don't include Silf we are still a top 6 short
Basically if Silf struggles we are short a top 6, if Foligno fails to meet challenege we are short a top 6, if Alfie retires we are short a top 6
so regardless of what our "team needs" overall are, Nash or any potential forward(Kane/Os hie) makes sense
he will probably fetch 4-5 mill a season
Perron will likely do the same. Add in Backes, Steen, Berglund, D'agostini, macdonaldChris Stewart, Tarasenko, Ty Rattie, jaden Schwartz, maybe even ian Cole
and St. Louis are having trouble finding spots for all their forwards
backes/andy mac and steen are 1-2-3 centres. then your looking at perron/oshie/st ewart/taranseko /schwartz/bergl und to fight for the remaining spots in the top 6
Again not saying it will happen, but its very likely that a deal could be had
So if that is true.. the Leafs choices for goaltending are down to Bernier & Luongo?
Shannon says Harding signed with Minny for three years. Burke may have to go with Reimer/Scrivens . How sad!!
Vancouver are screwing themselves so much with luongo fiasco
They have until June 30th to sign Schneider, or else he is open to offer sheet. I doubt anyone offer sheets him but if I'm Schneider, I know I can get a team to sign me for like 4-5 mill, I knnow I have just been given the keys to the ferarri
Ya I'm playing hardball
Good job Canucks, and hopefully the Leafs enjoy overpayment on Luongo or enjoy Reimer again
Oh and to avoid Offer Sheet, they can take him to arbitration if he declines Qualifying offer (which he will since it will come in at just over 1 million)
So they go arbitration and now he is signed for just 1 year. Then what? He becomes starter does awesome, and is now in quick/lundquist territory? LOL too funny
I agree that there is a void in our top 6, and it should be addressed. But I am of the unpopular opinion that we should allow our current prospects to grow into that role. We traded Fisher and Kelly with the intention of stockpiling young assets, and building with them.
Our defense core is our greater concern. What in the hell are we gong to do to not only ice a competitive line-up this year, but also to stock our prospect cupboard at the position to ensure future success?
I think Luongo ends up in Toronto because no one wants that contract to start with and Toronto will lose out on all the main players this offseason, forcing Burke to scramble for a big move and overpaying UFAs.
Though my favorite rumors about the Leafs so far surround them magically trading up for Yakupov and then trading for another 1st round pick for Galchenyuk, while also trading for Nash, keeping Kessel and getting Luongo. I'm sure they have the prospects in the cupboard for that right, Kadri must be worth half of all that on his own by now. hahaha
I love being a Sens fan, this is just awesome to watch and hear!
History of Luongo:
1. Wins 47 games first year
2. Gets a lifetime contract as face of franchise
3. annointed as their captain with C on his jersey
4. captaincy stripped
5. leads them to the cup finals, where they only scored 8 goals in 7 games
6. to winning another 31 games
7. Loses starters job after winning 47, 35, 33, 40, 38 and 31 games in each of his seasons
8. Is getting goated out of the city with all the blame for their failure to win a cup
9. Is not gunna find a happy landing ground as Vancouver will be askign for a boatload of assets in return
10. Vancouver decide its in their best interest to hand the keys to a guy who has never been a starting goalie, has played 4 playoff games, and will likely already command nearly 3-4 million a year which is only about 1-2 million less than what Luongo makes
FIASCO
So what exactly did Luongo do to deserve all this? (I'm not a staunch Luongo supporter but honestly look at it)
I believe it with Pavelec, but not with Kane.
Ya our defense needs work, but we do what all teams do, restock on the fly. We could use our pick this year, we could trade some b level prospects for one. We do have some young prospects coming up the wire (Claessen)
In terms of ready-now prospects, sure not the greatest but we do have KArlsson and Cowen ready to patrol for many years to come, and look around the league, I would find it very hard to find a team that has more than 3 young dmen while remaining competitive. Defense is the one position you really do need that right mix of experience with youth
and exit through that same tunnel after the game....imagine the sinnanigans? Re: steve ott and coach Laviolette (i think it was them who got into it in the dallas tunnel...)
I guess there is still hope for Boro cop, Wiercioch, Claessen etc.., but it seems at this point they will develop into depth players, I guess I am being greedy, but I would like one more blue chip defensive prospect. Maybe Friday night will satisfy this need.
If you think trading for Evander Kane will be easy, think again, the kid is probably on par to producing Nash like numbers with an equally bad team in WPG. Its gonna take just as much if not more assets to acquire Kane. Kid is a superstar at 20.
Who said it would be easy? I said backup plan, obviously I expect he'd be in the same vicinity of cost. Though I disagree with you and think he would come slightly cheaper or the same, not more.
i think the coolest thing to see is the sportsmanship after the game when players trade jerseys. was thinking what if hockey players did that after a series in POs too.
read article, go to bathroom mirror, say phrase: "the Senators should not go after Rick Nash", dump head in bucket of ice water, repeat.
Right now the Sens have just over $37M on 15 players.. so they have about 16M to spend on 6 or 7 players just to reach the floor.
Karlsson will probably take about 6 or 7M of that.. so 10M left to sign 5 or 6 players. That would probably be done just re-signing the RFA's and a couple of the UFA's.
They have lots of cap room to bring in a larger cap hit by trade should they need to.
Question is -- how much over the floor will Melnyk go?
Just curious.....how come we would have to manually change something on our end, for your website?
the site is now workign well for me consistently, but I think its a fair question, since I have never had to do this before with any website...even those that have changed servers
Not sure if it was a reader or your Service Provider that suggested this but this is not something most of us can do as we are on corporate networks etc.
Alcatraz also brings up a good point. We should not have to change our settings in order to access your site after it changed servers. If we do, then once again, this points to an issue on the server side since many of us are experiencing the same issue.
Not sure if you or your service provider saw my long post in the other thread (or maybe the one before) but I am pretty sure that is what the issue is. I will repost here, just have to find it lol
Hey Chirp, I'm not sure if you saw the post from Rich in the previous thread, but he has a workaround for people to use with admin rights. The real problem is definitely on the side of your servers and the way they're setup though.
I saw that too but there is no way Chirp should have to ask his readers to start changing their host files or manually configuring their TCP/IP settings (DNS Servers)
I am glad people wanna help but that is ridiculous :-P
#90 TrueSensFan 2012-06-14 10:36
Browsing directly to the IP address would not work anyways
it is 184.170.130.170
this is a DNS issue on the host side of it.
NS records have a configurable "time-to-live" parameter that is transmitted with the name/IP information. If your DNS server's cached record just happens to have expired, it will seek out a fresh one. Servers whose records are unexpired will hand out the information without having to seek it out again.
So while the appearance may be that server A is working while B is not; in fact _whatever_ one of them happens to have an expired record would produce an error if either the root servers or the authoritative source to which they point, should fail to respond or produce flawed data.
I was unable to get on again this morning (and can now obviously) it was the same exact thing yesterday
ran a trace both when I could and could not get on and they have the exact same routing locations.
Flushing your DNS as someone above mentioned will not work as the DNS resolver cache is dynamic and constantly changing and updating itself.
Chirp, I am afraid they are telling you it is not an issue on their end, but it is and they are just not seeing it or can't be bothered, one or the other. I do not know how they have things configured but I am 90% sure it is a DNS issue
They may have some sort of server cluster setup for load balancing reasons and it could be that one of the servers in the cluster is not configured properly thus when we are hitting that server we are getting errors
godaddy is super cheap, hostpapa is not a bad one either
who are you currently with?
I completely understand, it's unfortunate it's created such a headache for Chirp and some users when it's probably just 1 or 2 settings they need to configure properly.
On the upside, if the Sens did get Erik Karlsson in the draft, it would be much easier for Bob Cole...He can just say "Karlsson passes to Karlsson" instead "the Ottawa player passes to the ottawa player"
Much appreciated. If interested I can ask a friend if he wants to history it ..will likely be free/extremely cheap as he just sorta lets people use his access space on his server.
Ugg I hate my philosophy e...history is host.
Duck and philosophy is phone...Ugg and I am sure you can figure out what duck ks
Yeah no doubt Sensnation. I feel bad for Chirp as he is caught in the middle for sure and the provider is obviously not being very helpful
Chirp, if you are serious about changing hosting services, I would be more than happy to recommend a couple to you. I have a good friend that I am pretty sure still runs his service, very reliable and helpful
HAHA, probably the best post of the day
Chirp, I'm glad to see you are changing hosts. What your current provider has setup is a joke. He is trying to save cash and running the DNS server on the webserver. I suspect it is a load issue as it only happens at certain busy times of the day. He obviously has no idea of what he's doing if your user community is trying to fix it for them, while he continues to blame the user.
A web hosting firm called Godaddy was brought up. I have worked with Godaddy in the past...TERRIBLE !!! At times, it would literally take upwards of 30 seconds for my website to load. Google hammers your rep based on the time to load. I went from fighting to even being seen on Google to being on the top page of searches for the service we offer after changing to a local Ottawa provider. If you are interested, I can supply you with their name. Been with them for over a year with no issue.
Back to hockey :)
What type of phone do you have? for all the negative comments about RIM, the keypad sure is nice for typing and not "guessing" or "swiping" words lol
bogosian for lehner
what exactly are we trying to accomplish here?
My fat fingers don't work well for touch screens
Michalek for Gretzky
Not sure about current interest but he is a player the Sens have looked at in the past.
"Multiple solid sources have confirmed rumblings of Ottawa’s interest, saying GM Bryan Murray has indeed talked with the Columbus Blue Jackets about acquiring the two-time 40-goal scorer.
One insider went a step further by telling Sun Media the players the Senators proposed to send back in the deal for the left winger, a scenario confirmed by another source.
For the just-turned 28-year-old Nash, it appears the Senators are prepared to trade 2011 first-round pick Mika Zibanejad, winger Nick Foligno and goalie Ben Bishop.
It’s not known whether any other moving parts or draft picks would be involved.."
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Now if that is true.. I would have to think the 15th overall would have to be included...
Thomas Hickey's downside.. from what I read is his size... he is 5'10" and 182 lbs... fairly small for a D.. but then so is Karlsson... I would think the Sens want a bigger D.
National post story on the sens....discuss :)
Well if that all they want and it beats out other offers, Murray has to pull the trigger on that, its a win for the Sens.
What makes you think that having Nash will make any difference? We're still a one line team, its just the argument one year from now will be "When the opposition shuts down Spezza, Nash and Karlsson, we can't score."
The issue here is scoring depth: we needs it. We don't need Nash.
If a top-heavy team faces off against a team that rolls three scoring lines, I'll take that latter any day of the week.
Finally someone who actually watched a Sens playoff game...where was the 4th rank scoring??? Yes we need help on D aswell but in the playoff you have to score more than you give up.
These types of players dont grow on trees and hardly see UFA status (own team likely re-signs them) this is a great opportunity to pair Spezza with some REAL talent...
All this un educated talk abotu Sens being a one line team again if we get Nash?!?! So far speculation has only 1 of our top end prospects leaving town, and 1 top end goalie, of which we can draft to replace. I would rather it be Lehner as he can be replaced easier, you simply cant replace a 6'8 goalie man who moves like Bishop. Rest is crap.
If the rumour is true we would most likely sign foligno first and then deal him to Columbus as they want to make sure they will have him
How do we become a 1 line team when none of our 2nd line is touched? You make no sense, sure if Turris and Alfie or Silf was in the package ok maybe we take a bit longer to start scoring on the 2nd line but all of them are still there.
I would take:
Michalek Spezza Nash
Silfverberg Turris Alfie
over
Michalek Spezza Silfverberg
Parenteau Turris Alfie
ANY DAY
Do you remember when we did only have 1 line....we made it to the CUP FINAL, remember?
Now we have scoring depth and a solid goalie tandem, get Nash or Kane or Perry, Getz and I bet we make it to the Cup in under 3 years.
as much as I hate to give up Zibby, get rid of bishop and a big part of me still likes foligno, if that gets it done, BM has to pull the trigger
The Sens need a really good top line that will attract the top defensive players on the opposition teams.. hopefully leaving Turris, Silfverberg, Alfie (hopefully) a little more room on the 2nd line.
Just because Bishop is 6ft8... doesn't mean he will turn out to be the better goalie... we don't know that... Most of us think Lehner will be that... but that's up for debate.
So are you saying Turris, Alfie, Silfverberg, Stone, Foligno can't provide secondary scoring? Turris is the best offensive 2nd line C this team has seen. I highly disagree that we would be the same as our SC finals 1 line team with this.
he will still call both of them gonchar
I'm sure we all remember the discussion about there being 1 scenario the sens weren't huge on. As well as this year's confirmation by Tim Murray that they had a D higher but thought they were set there with Rundblad at the time.
I've previously hinted at the idea that I think Zibanejad was that scenario. Now I know the management will likely never come out and say what scenario it was they didn't like, but wouldn't being so keen to trade Zibanejad hint that this was the scenario they didn't want?
Maybe I'm the only one feeling this way, but I'm interested in what others think. Obviously Zibanejad is a really good prospect and the Swedish pedigree is something the Sens are comfortable with, but was he a consolation prize or a prized target?
Allow me to defend the proponents of focussing on defense this off season:
you are correct in saying that when up against one of the best goalies, and one of the best defensive teams in the playoffs we scored less goals than usual. you are also correct in saying that no one can correctly predict how of our forward prospects will turn out.
Where we differ in opinion is on our defense for both this coming season, and seasons beyond. I am not comfortable going into next season with only 4 NHL defensemen (as we have now), so before we invest assets into a scoring forward, a position we already have covered, we should shore up our blue line. As you said, no one can predict the contributions of a rookie, which is why we shouldn't count on rookie defensemen stepping into key roles.
Once we have acquired enough defensemen to form a competent blue line corp, then we can re-evaluate our assets and debate adding additional scoring.
Do YOU remember what happened in that cup final? Because the Ducks had good goaltending and defense and a coach who wasn't an idiot, they realized that if you put Pronger and Niedermayer out whenever Heatley, Spezza and Alfredsson were out, they'd be stymied and no combination of all world depth scorers Dean McAmmond, Mike Fisher, Oleg Saprykin, Chris Kelly and Mike Comrie would be able to score enough goals.
On the other hand, EVERY SINGLE TEAM that has won the cup since then has had three scoring lines.
Now I'm not saying that if we trade for Nash we won't be able to have adequate scoring depth, I'm saying that trading away two really good prospects and just assuming that guys further down the line like Prince and Puempel will be able to step it up to fill the shoes of a Zibanejad or a Silfverberg (who are both pretty much locks to be top 6 players in the NHL) is a very risky gamble, and one I would prefer the team not to make.
Oh God Damn, this is the article I meant to post...
http://www.senatorsextra.com/main/why-the-ottawa-senators-should-avoid-rick-nash
Expectation for Karlsson is 5 to 7 year term with cap hit of $6M or more. Not Drew Doughty money ($7m/yr) but close. Still being worked on.
Interesting.
I wonder if Bob's wrong or if something has changed. I thought they had pretty much agreed on 3 years and were just haggling on price.
Chirp?
Hearing ANA's Bobby Ryan is "available" again after being taken off trade market after Randy Carlyle's Duck departure.
Go Bryan GO!
Wouldn't there be some cosmic symmetry in B Ryan being acquired in a trade by Bryan?
Much better option than Nash. Make it happen Murray.
Also, the fact that more scorers are available on the market puts Murray in a greater position of strength. If Nash was the only scorer on the market, CLB could get top dollar for him. Now that more are emerging (Ryan, Kane, Kane and Nash) it should drive the asking prices down a little it. Especially if the player wants out of town and the team wants to trade them.
Karlsson 6.5 for 5 years ..sounds good too me
oh my..
ive been wanting to say this for a while but, am i the only one that thinks rick nash is way overrated for what his value seems to be?
i would pay a lot for bobby. One thing that holds me off though is he is right handed. all our prospects are right handed except prince and puempel. and for that possibly stupid reason, i rather try to add someone like nash, d.roy, parise etc.
i know it may sound stupid to worry so much about what hand they shoot. but no matter how you break it, our future top 6 has: spezza, turris, zibanejad, silfverberg, noesen, stone, pageau
leaving michalek, puempel, prince, foligno as leftys.
Been saying it all along
As for Nash, I say go for it BM. As much as I like the Sens possibly involved, the best player in the deal by a wide margin is Nash.
Sounds like a lot of teams are hearing how much Columbus might get for Nash and realize it's a pretty good package for one of their top guys too.
I don't think he was a consolation prize. Maybe for Landeskog, but that's hardly a negative thing. I think Landeskog was their ideal pick and saw Zib as a decent consolation. Zib is basically a poor man's Landeskog.
The Sens could have drafted Couturier who had slipped and was still available, lots of other options available. They didn't have to pick Zib if they didn't want to.
I'm not sure that changes what I'm saying though. They definitely picked him cause they wanted him when it got to their turn, but that doesn't mean it wasn't the scenario they were hoping to avoid. A lot of pre-draft reports were saying how high they were on Strome, and we know they would've taken RNH, Landeskog, Huberdeau or Larsson if they had fallen.
So either they were hoping for Strome or Zibanejad at 6th, but they've already said they had a D higher than Zibanejad and now they seem willing to trade him. So ... ?
I guess my biggest concern is that they're doing the same thing this year saying they have a list of 14. I hope they move up to get one of those 14 if things don't look like they're falling the way they hoped.
Then we should also move up in the draft to get Ryan Murray.
Sorry, this is non sens related but on topic; For the majority of last season Ian White was the ONLY right handed shot on the Wings. Always that was so strange. Carry on.
Now you're talking!
I get what you're saying. And Murray apparently said he had discussions with NYI on trading up (though it's not confirmed when they discussed it). Tim Murray also has been quoted that they had 5 guys targeted last year (and picked 6th) and they have 14 guys targeted this year.
So I think it's very possible that they hoped they could get Strome at 6. I'm sure they like Zibanejad and so should they but when you have a guy ranked 6th and you end up picking him you sorta kissed your sister.
I don't think the idea that he's been mentioned in trade talks now means much though. I don't think they drafted him and immediately though "can't wait to trade this kid". I think it's more about:
A) He's generally considered one of our best assets.
B) There are rumors of possible health concerns (depending on who you believe).
C) We now have the depth at forward that we can afford to do a Q4Q trade.
And maybe:
D) He wasn't the guy they were salivating over last draft so it's easier to let him go.
If somehow Landeskog had dropped to 6th they would be less willing to trade him - everything else being equal.
that can explain part of why they failed to succeed partly i guess.
on D its much more important to have guy with both hands compared to forwards.
we are still pretty balanced on D in terms of handedness
Agreed, and that's very true about Murray having discussed the trade with Snow at the time.
I definitely don't think they hate having to pick Zibanejad at that spot, he's a really good prospect, just maybe not what they were hoping for, so they may be more willing to trade him than fans think. A lot of fans seem to equate him to the next Alfie, which is not an easy task for someone who may max out as a 2nd liner.
I think either way Tim and Bryan learned a bit from last year's draft and would probably stick to their list this year a bit more instead of worrying so much about drafting a position of need.
Now with Ryan, maybe Evander Kane, Patrick Kane, Paul Stasny reported to be available.. teams may turn to those options rather than pay the price Columbus is asking?
Man, Nash would be awesome. Just hopes he waives his NTC to come.
Zbad+Foligno+Bi shop is the offer apparently. Not bad. If the bids go up, he can always throw in his first.
On TGOR this morning they were postulating it would take Karlsson, or Cowen. No way. If that were true, BM can tell Howson to go jump in a lake.
So if they liked Dougie Hamilton better (or whichever D it was) they must have felt that they wouldn't be able to trade Hamilton for a forward prospect that would be better than Zibanejad.
If you need a forward you have three basic choices:
1. Draft one
2. Draft a D and trade that D for a forward.
3. Draft a D and trade another D you have for a forward.
At the end of the day you have to decide which option leaves you in the best overall spot. Would they rather have:
1. Zibanejad
2. Whatever forward you could get in return for Hamilton?
3. Whatever forward you can get for another D prospect and Hamilton instead of that D.
Considering option 3 probably means having Turris and Hamilton instead of Zibanejad and Rundblad (at least at the time) I think option 3 would have been the best.
But of course nobody knew we'd be able to flip Rundblad for Turris. Of course we also tossed in a second round pick so maybe that tips the scales?
BREAKING: #Sens agree to terms with Erik Karlsson on a seven-year contract extension. Details to follow.
BREAKING: #Sens agree to terms with Erik Karlsson on a seven-year contract extension. Details to follow.
WOOOOOOOOOOOT!
however i am just so happy the stress is done, dont care what the contract is. stress is done!
I think the trade market has opened up a lot more in the last year than it had since the cap came in. Seems like there's more wheeling and dealing of anything from big name players to high end prospects, and I expect it will be at a high in the next 2 weeks.
I agree in hindsight Hamilton plus Turris would've been preferable, but do realize that at the time Stone and Silfverberg were a lot more unknown than they are considered now, though they can obviously both still fail at the NHL level.
All in all though, it makes me more comfortable as a fan if we have to move Zibanejad in a deal for a top 3 winger, knowing he wasn't the guy they were zeroed in on.
Ah sweet, though I guessed 1 year too long! Great to see them lock him in long term.
(FWIW I now think it will be closer to $6.5M)
If somehow Landeskog had dropped to 6th they would be less willing to trade him - everything else being equal.
I totally agree. I also feel that Columbus needs a centre more than we do. With Spezza, Turris, Smith (hope we keep him), possible Regin, Winchester, Zonopka, we're kinda covered in that position.
I was initially not down with trading for Nash but the earlier proposed trade of Zib along with BIshop, Foligno, and our first does make some sense. Getting rid of Bishop leaves room for Lehner as back up and Foligno gone makes room for Silfv. Honestly, the only part I don't like about that trade is our first this year. Was really hoping to pick up some much needed goalie or D man depth. Both of which are in-a-plenty this year. Make it next year's first and I'd make that trade rightly or wrongly.
To colombus: lehner, zibanejad, michalek, 15th ovr
to ott: nash, methot
@NHL_Sens broke Karlsson contract news. I hope they tweet a pic of Erik pushing a giant pile of money towards a dealer at a poker table next
LOL - wonder if the NHLPA will request that players not be offered/signed to large contracts while they're in Vegas. I wonder how much dough EK will blow tonight celebrating?
Well when you look at it.. Mika, Nick & Ben -- are two 1sts and a 2nd.
GO SENS GO
So would they trade any of them?
So they will be picking a goalie.. but not sure which round yet.
They're targeting a goalie prospect this draft. I believe it was Tim who confirmed this on one of his radio interviews. They've already had 3 or 4 come up to Ottawa ahead of the draft.
I believe the plan is to grab one in the 3rd round or trade up into the 2nd rnd if one of the top ones fall, assuming Subban didn't wow them enough to be taken at 15th (and we retain the pick).
"Daniel Alfredsson, sidelined by virus recently, set to begin off-season workouts. Said if he feels good in workouts, likely to play again."
Congrats EK65....Sen for life!!!!!!
I hope he got a NMC o we dont have to put up with trade EK65 posts for the next 7 yrs LOL
I kid, I kid
Alright but Doughty has both a gold medal, and a stanley cup. He could retire tomorrow, and he's already considered among the best D to ever play... and he's about the same age as Karl. With this extension, the pressure will be amped up on Karlsson. He's the future of this franchise, and you can bet many people will be expecting a parade within the next 7 years.
He could have asked for 7m but I think 6.5 is fair. He's having one hell of a year. Big pay out, potential Norris trophy, huge season, and now about to get married. What a guy!
Chirp, please remove Scott Howson from this thread. WE DO NOT WANT MARC METHOT! $3 million dollar #6 defenceman. If it were up to some of the people on here, we would only draft, trade for, or sign players from Ottawa. There is nothing wrong with Marc Methot except he is overpaid for what he brings to the table. Trust me, I live in Calgary and have seen him play often. I would rather re-sign Kuba then trade for Methot.
With Karlsson signing for 7 years. If the Sens pulled off a Nash trade (6 yrs left). Melnyk would be paying 92.9 million to 2 players.
Like I've been preaching all day long, NO NASH.
- LOL @ WPG fans who voted pavelec for the POTY over Spezzas amazing play.
- If Oshie is to be traded it is because they have too many forwards already and we don’t have a cupboard full of prospects outside of forwards to make trades with so he's out.
- Nash would be something special to acquire and a package of Zibby, Foligno (as much as I personally enjoy watching him), and Bishop would be an awesome deal.
- Bobby Ryan would be a great addition as well and it would burn Burkie's ass if we landed him (or Nash for that matter).
- For all those who think that we have all this goaltending "depth" now that we have Bishop, it really is a scenario where we have tradeable depth at the goaltending position now. All three cannot play at the same time and all three are ready to be in the bigs. Grabbing a valuable player for one of them now in the best course of action.
- Excellent news of EK65 for at least 7 years of exciting hockey in a Sens uniform.
- Smith for Hjalmarsson... not sold on it but would help the defensive end. Love Smitty though.
7 Years of Karlsson + Spezza, gonna be some beautiful hockey played in Ottawa for years to come
And boy am I glad we're not getting Nash. Giving up on Mika would have been terrible.
bahahah just in case eh? lol
HAHA wonder if she told him to get the deal signed before the wedding or she will leave him at the alter
I would also like Murray to at least find out what it might take to get JVR out of Philadelphia.
I agree ..Also makes me more excited too see what Murrays other picks can do !!
Silfverberg Stone Zibanejad Noeson Pumps Prince ...The Future is bright
Karlsson Cowen ...and id really like to get Cody Ceci
Lol agreed I have never been a Luongo fan (he's a very good goalie but dunno never liked him) but no one deserves the shit that Vancouver fans dump on him
In Murray I believe!
Hopefully Murray finds a replacement that can help Karl even MORE, because it seems as if Karl made Kuba look better than he actually is.
So, who would look good with Karlsson?
You gotta think that some of the post-trade interviews with players moving from a U.S to Canada market must be scripted. "Yeah, I'm really looking forward to playing in a death trap where every fan knows who I am, every camera on and off the ice is 5 ft from me, and the media on my ass for "only" scoring 3 goals a night."
Seriously, some of these players when finding out they got traded to a Canadian market must be like: "You can't be f***ing serious!"
Really don't care much for Luongo, but I can't wait to see the Canuck's shoot themselves in the foot with this one. Good luck getting through the year on Schineider, and an AHL goalie. Maybe they realized that you don't need to be the number 1 seed to win the cup? Maybe they'll try to get in on 8th next year!
I know some of you want to be patient and let our young guys grow up but opportunities like this don't come very often. I agree with Sens4eva and Tooks on this one. We need to take that next step now (trade for Nash) or we will might not have this chance for a very long time. We had a GREAT year this year so let's not lose any of this momentum.
In Bryan we TRUST ! GO SENS GO
I don't beleieve is he even reliable?
RDS hockey guys always make up stuff so I don't beleive that!
RDS is not even reliable sorry to disapoint you!
I beleive it they the RDS guys always just make up stuff!
If it's his opinion then it's nor more or no less valid than mine, yours, chirps or anybody else out there.
If he's claiming insider knowledge then that's another matter.
Personally I don't give a shit what one person's opinion is regarding Nash whether he thinks we will get him or not.
Great post!
Of course Murray said similar things before trading for Turris so it really means nothing.
We'll know for sure when a trade is announced, not before.
That could backfire too if he wins another Norris next year. Then he'll be looking for $9M per year.
There's risk like any deal but I think this one is a huge win. Most "experts" seem to think the Sens got a good price too. Not a huge home-town discount but most are citing that EK65 clearly wasn't greedy.
Deal works just fine for me.
It's bullshit if you ask me. I don't think it's fair for a player to commit to a long term deal with a no trade clause, and then when he demands a trade out of the organization he gives his GM a small list of teams that he would expect a trade to. It's so extremely selfish.
It's a weak draft this year. Even with a great scouting team it'll be hard to find gems in the later rounds. Hopefully goalie Altshuller falls in our lap in the third round. Can't wait till Friday and Saturday !!!
I know what you mean buddy but Howson has more power than you think. He can go to Nash and say listen this is the best deal for us going forward if you don't want to go to Ottawa then we'll see you in training camp. I know most Sens Fans don't like Heatley but Murray could have just made Heatley play for the Sens and force his hand to expand his list of teams but Ottawa players had a say in this and Murray listened to them since he's a loyal GM to his guys.
When did Murray say that he is not interested in Nash? (if so, thank God)
This to it hurt read!
http://www.senatorsextra.com/main/murray-has-kicked-tires-on-potential-nash-deal
Look forward to hittin the links with the lucky winner!
Signing and our future team in Murray I trust as long as noesen is
Not involved in any deals
FREEBIRD !
2011 1st round pick Mika Zibanejad, winger
Nick Foligno and goalie Ben Bishop to land
Rick Nash. It's not known whether any
other moving parts or draft picks would be
involved.
Also chirp just wondering is there going to be a draft party on Friday somewhere or are you doing somthing simlar as last year at St louis?
Actually the rumor is Zib/Fol/Bish - not including the 15th overall.
Daybreak Maidenhead you are loser and and stupic stay away from this site!
He was quoted as saying he had inquired but nothing more (or something to that effect). I'll see if I can find the exact quote on twitter but don't hold your breath.
Just ignore him spezzafan19 ... until 'chirp gets that "ignore" button for us.
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As if we needed further confirmation- tonight Bryan Murray discussed the possibility of a Nash deal. #Sens #BelieveIt
http://www.senatorsextra.com/main/murray-has-kicked-tires-on-potential-nash-deal
Basically just confirms that he talked to Howson and made some sort of offer (though it might not have been an overly big/serious one by the way he describes it).
Well according to my various sources the San Jose Sharks, New York Rangers, Philadelphia Flyers and THE OTTAWA SENATORS are the 4 remaining clubs in the Nash sweepstakes. Not saying we are #1 or #4, we are just still there. Take it with a grain of salt.
I wonder if the Ottawa deal is actually the best offer and being used as a way to get other teams (ones on the Nash list) to improve their proposal.
Working on it!
I am sure Winnipeg was very aware, from the very start, that their city will certainly not be seen as a premiere destination for NHL players. The chatter around Pavelec is bad enough, I'm sure they will do anything they can do to retain their "star" players and position themselves as a place good players want to play, and no already appear to be hemorrhaging talent.
I know it's inevitable and every player is different, but I think it's pretty shitty that a multi-million dollar pro athlete would ever complain about being recognized or famous or pestered as a result...
Discussed at length the other day but I think it's interesting to consider. On the surface I say yes but that contract is pretty bad, even if you don't buy into the whole "curse" thing. If Calgary would take Gonchar back (and everyone waives their NTC) I'd be tempted but of course that means we still have to go find another D to replace Gonchar. And of course that's a HUGE "if".
Even with all that, it only makes sense to me if we feel we can resign J-Bo to a much cheaper extension after his current contract ends.
In fact:
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I had guessed 8 Years, 52 M total. So I got the 6.5 right, but just over on the year. My sign date was June 25th. So I know I didn't win. Good luck to however did and have fun on the course with Chirp.
Saw that latest package detail about what Ottawa would offer. I'd have to say it's spot on to what most here said would be the limit on what Ottawa should give, so I don't see anything wrong with that offer at all and if it goes down Ottawa will have pulled off a GREAT trade. If you ask me, I think we could be in the running more so than others, for the simple fact that we can offer an NHL ready goalie like Bishop. CBJ is very disappointed with Mason right now and they don't see him being the guy between the pipes going forward. Bishop could be that guy! It'll be interesting to see if a Nash deal actually does happen before Friday. I guess only time will tell.
Hax...always a pleasure. (Sens4thecup)
That is why this deal is hard to make. 7.8 million! Spezza is due again soon... I mean, that is quite the salary for Erik Spezza and possibly Nash. I wouldn't acquire that salary.
Well there's two schools of thought there. One is to try to retain "stars" at all costs so that other stars are willing to go there. The other is to get rid of anyone that's going to bitch about the city quickly so that the entire team is always positive about the city.
All teams have to deal with this on some level. You never want to have a player publicly saying anything negative about the city, fans or org. So you can either bend over backwards to make even the most selfish players feel happy or you stay away from that type of player.
It's possible the Jets would decide that it's easier/better to trade E Kane than to try and spend the next 15 years keeping him happy in a place he really doesn't want to be.
That's the biggest concern for me too. It does limit things down the line (depending on what happens with the cap and/or Melnyk's budget). The way things were going with the cap for a while there even Nash could be considered a bargain in a few years but I doubt it continues like that.
My worry is that CBJ is considering Zibanejad/Folig no/Bishop and it turns into something closer to Silfverberg/Mic halek/Lehner - which is too much IMO. Even one of those players swapped in for Z/F/B tips the scales for me. If Nash was signed to a $5M cap hit or something silly then maybe.
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Sorry I cannot begin to help you on what the problem is, however if it were only one or two people, it would not be a big deal. But if you wish to continue to grow, it would be in your best interest to get it resolved, as you may be losing potential new loyal Chirp followeres. As for me, I will continue to try and be on whenever possible, and if not then I will go back to doing what I am getting paid to do :)
Again my two cents
Good luck in resolving this
Well from what I've heard, the Sens offer is pretty decent, have to think its somthing like:
Zibanejad
Lehner/Bishop
Foligno
Da Costa
15th overall (might not be included)
I agree with you SC that they might be holding our offer ransom to other teams haha.
From what I've heard on other teams is we are the only team able to send them a quality goalie. thats our shaved knuckle in the hole.
Hey Chirp, Sent you an email last night regarding these issues. Hope it helps
So I've been out of the loop a bit with site issues here.
What is your opinion on grabbing Nash? Let's say for the rumored Zibby/Biship/Fo ligno + 1st offer?
7.8mil in the next 2-3 years will be a steal for a 40 goal, 80+ point producer. Think about it Crosby is coming up, PArise will sign for 8+, cap keeps going up. 7.8 isnt that bad at all.
Damn, that is a lot for a 35-40 goal scorer who would end up being the highest paid player (and third/fourth best) on a team that doesn't need to add scoring.
It is back loaded, meaning next year he is only due 5.5 million.
I am sure this is due in large part to gonchar salary as well, but if you look at it, from what our cap hit says for next year and actual dollars being spent by Melnyk, he is savings $4,875,000 in cash between Alfie and Karlsson
alfie gets paid out $1 million for a 4.875 cap hit, and karlsson gets paid out 5.5 for a 6.5 cap hit
I think Murray did this on purpose, to help Eugene go for that big fish.
Further, lets say we land nash and his 7.8 contract. Lets say we use Foligno in the deal which according to his salary this year Eugene spent $1.2 million for his services.
So what am I trying to get? Mr. Eugene is actually saving $6.075 million for next year at least, Melnyk is really only paying an extra $1.725 million for Rick nash
Year after that Gonchar $5 million comes off the book, proper asset management could yield us that savings adequately and apply it to nash, therefore meaning in the first 2 years of Rick nash services, Eugene is only paying an extra $4.525 million for Rick Nash
Lets get it done!!!
NAsh would have to be 40G 80pt every year to make it the 5 piece proposal worthwhile. Definitely doable, but what if Spezza goes down injured? Nash has proven he needs players to put up points, he has once been a point per game player. He has only twice scored 40. Without Spezza, can he earn 7.8M and not make us miss prospects like Zib or Lehner? Very risky
My opinion? do it, we have an overflow at FW and it would clear up some contracts to slide under the 50 limit.
As for Bishop, yeah its tough to lose a 6'8 goalie but your getting a hell of a player in return, signed longterm who has chemistry with your #1 centre and future captain...It doesnt affect our 2nd line, who has been scoring and we get to keep Michalek who also potted 30+.
As for the D, we can get the pieces via UFA, all we need is depth as Phillips/Cowen/ Karlsson/Goncha r can carry the bulk of the load until Boro, Wier or Gryba of UFA come into play.
UFA D's
Wideman
Carle
Garrison
Allen
Hunwick
Any 1 or 2 of these guys can solidify our back end and will come relatively cheap.
Third or forth best? haha who is ahead of him? he would be equal to Spezza, IMO as he could take much pressure off Spezz and create his own scoring chances.
We are only talking FW's here, Spezza/Nash, Alfie/Turris, Michalek, Silf/Zib.
Also where did our scoring go during the playoffs? do you remember us scoring 3+ goals a game, like we did during the season??
Shut down EK65 and Spezza and we had nothing left. Add Nash to Spezza's line things get much better, for one you cant focus on 1 player like Rangers did to Spezza and Karlsson individually.
14M dollars per year to fill those two holes and giving up a lot of assets.
For roughly the same cost / year and giving up a LOT less from the prospect front we could probably acquire Bobby Ryan PLUS throw enormous money at Ryan Suter, as much of a long shot as that could be.
Less inherent risk as well, Suter will be amazing for years to come and Ryan is only locked in for another three years, not for six like Mr. Nash.
And while we are talking silly, the Suter/Ryan scenario would still leave us with 13M in space. Plenty of room if we wanted to resign Kuba (D are dropping fast) and even bring in some MORE forward help like Parenteau or Jagr.
All with keeping the majority of our amazing prospect pool intact.
With Alfie hopefully returning? That is potentially a "dream team" type scenario. Talk to all the UFA pieces at the same time, who would not want to be part of that?
All with CBJ bro, mess of a team and still put up top line pts when he was the only top line player there, constant attention and double teams. To score 40 goals with a team like that, twice...speaks volums.
Not to be a pessimist I got the feeling we will go 0 for 3 tonight.
I think Alfie actually stands the best chance to come away with a trophy. Feels like the entire league is smitten by him this year since the All Star Game.
Well the Sun (I know...) had a page where some dudes predicted the outcome of each trophy and for the Norris Karlsson had 3 of the 5 votes his way with the other 2 going to Chara....nothin g for Weber...
Its very possible he wins it and doesnt have to suffer the Mike Green snub!
Its gunna cost just as much if not more for Ryan because with hiller, Fowler, Perry and Getzlaf in the fold they aren't gunna wanna rebuild, and we wont have the package available for them
Buffalo IMO would be front runners, cause they could easily offer Derek Roy, one of their d prospects and Enroth for Ryan and I think Anaheim takes the deal over any colelction of prospects we can send their way
Roy would fill a huge void on that team
- Karlsson contract is front loaded
- He will be paid 5.5 next year for 6.5 cap hit
- Alfie will be paid 1 mill next year for 4.875 cap hit
- Eugene saves 4.875 million in cash outlay
** If we use Foligno to get Nash, thats another $1.2 million saved
- Total savings for Eugene next year is now $6.075 Million
- This means Rick Nash is ony an additional $1.725 million next year
- Following year we save $5 million from Gonchar
Lets git er dun
The day they trade Toews is the day Ottawa trade Alfie lol
It's the four years after that I'm worried about...
If we are competitive the next two years, the following 4 will work itself out, especially with the amount of prospects we will have on ELC contracts.
We need to stop always worrying about 3 or 4 years down the line, Cups are never won 4 years from today, they are won within less than 3 years of planning
It's true, I mentioned it before as CBJ NEEDS a goalie. Well, not NEEDS one... but they sure as hell want someone to replace Mason. I expect it was Lehner they were after when BM eventually said no. I have this feeling Murray knew in the back of his mind when he traded for Bishop that he was the piece he would use in the off season for a Nash deal. I bet you bottom dollar out of the 4 teams (Ottawa being one of them) still in the hunt, we have the best goalie to offer in return with Bishop. It gives a great edge for sure. And don't worry about the money, it'll all work itself out in the end, considering how many young prospects with entry level deals will be adding in the mix over the next 2 to 3 years, and other large salary going elsewhere.
The now would be Muckler trading all our prospects
Im still thinking 3 year terms tho. By bringing in Nash its only a big of an extra cash outlay for next 2 years. During those 2 years you move pieces around and make sure everything stays fair. Always moving on the fly, but keeping the prospect cupboard still full allows for that
Its not very foten a star winger in his prime beomes available, and we have the assets to make it work, might as well.
Is big mistake in my opinion. Time will tell I guess.
Goalies from the other teams.
Philly: Bobrovsky, Niko Hoivinen, Cal Heeter
NYG: Biron, Scott Stajcer, Jason Missiaen...
SJ: Greiss, Nittymaki, Harri Sateri...
Exactly if your Columbus do you really want any of those goalies. Is biron a future number 1, how old is he?
Greiss perhaps would be the most appealing in that list, but can SJ offer the same prospects as us since they have already made it clear Couture is going no where?
It's a risk but I think this is the right tact. If they had signed a 3 year deal now then the next deal might have been even richer. I think the following scenario might have been what we would have seen:
3-year deal now, cap hit probably higher due to EK's camp wanting a longer deal so let's say it's 3 years/22.5M.
Then the next time he's an RFA maybe he's won another Norris or two and the salaries in the NHL have gone up as well as the cap so that deal ends up being 4 years/$36M.
Anything could happen and of course if this last year ends up being his best ever then the shorter the deal the better for us, but I think a 7 year deal at only $6.5 per year is a bargain.
Tookie,
I care about the CAP hit. Melnyk will be fine, but acquiring a contract worth over 40 million dollars is not a small deal. You think the cap will just going up? It won't in my opinon, but let's say it does... 7.8 million takes up a huge chunk of Melnyks internal cap hit... I still think 7.8 million is too much to acquire
He gets buried in Columbus but make no mistake, he is an elite level talent with the size to do whatever he wants whenever he wants...
Spezza, Michalek, Nash would reek havoc on the rest of the league...
If were in the running, we should make this trade!
For those worried about the cap hit, what are we supposed to do as we grow elite talent? Ship all of them out?
On top of it. We don't know the closed door issues. What if a team was going to make an offer sheet at 7.5 for 12 years. That's not that unrealistic.
I think it's a fair deal great for everyone. He's making 1 m more than gonchar.
You're talking like Karlsson and his agent had no say in this. They had no interest in a 3yr deal, and the salary we'd have to offer after those 3yrs would be much higher than the 6.5 he just signed for.
Not to mention trying to force him to take a 3yr deal could lead to arbitration and a higher 1yr contract which then sets a higher precedence for negotiations next year.
Tookie,
I care about the CAP hit. Melnyk will be fine, but acquiring a contract worth over 40 million dollars is not a small deal. You think the cap will just going up? It won't in my opinon, but let's say it does... 7.8 million takes up a huge chunk of Melnyks internal cap hit... I still think 7.8 million is too much to acquire[/]
What would you want Nash cap hit to be to make the deal?
Took the words right out of my mouth, I don't think any beside Greiss would be considered a good option over Bishop. But Greiss is someone SJ plans to keep around from the sounds of it. And if I had to choose, I'd go with the Big Guy in Bishop.
Gotta like our odds when you assess that kind of competition. I've always liked Biron but he's on th wrong side of old for Columbus's purposes.
I have to admit that while I try to stay pragmatic about trades and will always see us as a small market team, I'm getting excited about the possibility of having Nash in an Ottawa uniform. How could he not want to play on a team with Spezza, and Karlsson on the powerplay for the next 7 years?
That said, Nash def has potential for 50 with Spezza in the next few seasons which is very enticing.
I hope our trade focus is on a top defenseman vs getting Nash. The UFA market this year isn't going to land us a desirable dman, sorry. There will maybe 4 worth signing (Carle will be signed before July 1) and everyone will want them.
And if we get Nash I hope he doesn't cost us 2 of Zib, Silf, Pumpel, Stone.
Lehner should not be touched for anyone, ever.
Just my opinion.
Must-watch Alfie tribute for Sens fans.
A tiny bit cheesy with the Batman references but overall a really awesome video and the overlay with Dark Knight Rises actually sort of fits.
Valid point, but who has nash had really that he could make better? he hasn't been surrounded by much talent unless you count umberger, vorocek, filatov lol
as for the dman route, there really aren't many available for the trade route, and even at that we can still land an adequate dman at a lesser cost (see Hjarmalsson)
I agree but I'd replace Puempel with Noesen. I think Noesen is a stronger prospect - at least more likely to play top 6 eventually. Puempel seems like an all-or-nothing type of prospect (which isn't a bad thing really). I have Puempel slightly below the other four and slightly above Prince, Pageau and company.
If you look at the players he has played with he has indeed made them better. Vermette and Umberger's best seasons were on his line. Same with Prospal, Brassard, Huselius, Vyborny and plenty others over the years. These are all fringe top 6 players he helped carry to 1st line roles! He's done the most he can with what little has been provided around him and he will definitely look more like the Team Canada version when given a real center to play with.
That was actually pretty good!
Keep in mind what he had to work with in Columbus as far as a center to feed him the puck. Total dog shit.
I'd be okay with Zibanejad (since it seems they'd want him involved), Puempel and Foligno. Not saying that wouldn't be painful to give up but then you could have this top 6 next year:
Nash - Spezza - Michalek
Silfverberg - Turris - Alfredsson
Plus still having Noesen, Stone, Prince, Pageau, Petersson etc in the system - either for the future or to possibly get a D to play with Karlsson.
Your sources are the same as mine in this case AKA, Thats Hockey when Lebrun and Dreger said it.
Look, Im not sure if Nash will come here, but anyone who says they shouldn't get this guy is an idiot. I don't care about his CAP hit or remaining balance owed, the guy is going to be a beast here - plain and simple.
If the deal being rumoured is true, I can't see CLB accepting it. MZ, Bishop, Foligno isn't enough...
My guess is it will need to be:
MZ, Bishop, Folgino, Da Costa, 15th Overall and likely one more small piece...maybe Butler (I hope).
As for what other teams are offering...not sure SJ will get it done, there prospect depth is so thin and they WONT deal Couture. CLB won't want to take on salaries like Thorton, Marleau
So I think they will be out.
Philly is kind of in the same boat, they can offer up JVR, but after that, who?? Bourdon on D is possible...but JVR has serious health issues
NYR is the biggest competition I think... They will likely offer something like Stepan, Erixon, 2 - 1st rounders (2012, 2013) and maybe Mcilrath...
Really tough to say...
Either way, if you can get NASH at the price of Elite Prospect, Roster Player, goalie and 1st, you do it every time!
But he isnt as good as, IMO, Richards, Hossa, Kovalchuk, etc, who will have been traded for less than Nash will eventually be traded for. The Market is demanding a high return and so be it. It is just hard to swallow when I don't see NAsh as the key to a better Sens team.
Those three examples all have more aspects to their game than goals, even Kovalchuk. But I do agree they have had better players surrounding them.
To answer your question, It is hard to say who he could have made better since he didn't. But Columbus has drafted plenty of busts. Obviously these guys had some talent to be drafted high. If Columbus didnt take them, someone else would have shortly after. Nash could have helped them be better NHLérs. I'm looking at guys like;
Derek Brassard
Zherdev
Gilbert Broule
Alex Picard
Im not saying these guys didn't pan out because of Nash, that horribly unfair and ridiculous. But there has been potential there that could have blossomed along with a true "elite" player.
Anyways, this is essentially a pointless conversation since we would get Nash to thrive on Spezza's wing, which he would. If it were Zib, Foligno, Bishop and Dacasta I'd be okay.
That is very expensive.
Why not go full throttle on Parise without giving up anything?
He is going to July 1st for a reason... he wants to test UFA, and he very much strikes me as a very intellegent individual, who will consider the best organization, that is on the upswing, and a top 5 Centre, in a hockey market.
Ottawa fits that bill.
To me Nash is Elite, but way too expensive.
I believe if we go the trade root we would have better options.
FREEBIRD !
Going to threaten to kill me again ?
Your whole post doesn't make sense. Richards was traded for two players, end of story. Hossa's and Nash were deadline deals and had expiring contracts , so it's a completely different trade.
And Nash won't alwaysmake players better, ESP those players listed who aren't top 6 guys. Nash is a player that scores and needs someone to play with him. Look at the numbers he puts up with mediocre players, it's insane to think what he will do in Ottawa. Insane.
sounds good, bring on Nash!
What the hell does Freebird mean? It's dumb and makes no sense. It's like me putting a random word after quoting someone's post and expecting everyone else to get it. An inside joke only works if a lot of people are 'inside' with you. I'm just going to quote people's post and put "Microwave!" at the bottom, because that makes about as much sense.
6.8
What's it like to be the last person on the Internet who has
never used GOOGLE ?
I just think he's trying to spread the word for his love of......
http://freebirds.com/
I don't think DM is working under any delusions that people actually laugh at (let alone "get") his freebird posts. It's clearly for his own amusement only.
Bryan Murray told him the Sens are not in the hunt for Rick Nash. Murray spoke with GM Howson about Nash, but nothing really serious.
Lavoie said too that PA Parenteau will test the free market on july 1st.The Sens must have interest to sign him for sure.
Pretty sure most people who have a life and don't go on 50 different forums each day, don't know what FREEBIRD means....and if it does have any reference to Lynyrd Skynard, then please just leave....that makes it even dumber.
MICROWAVE!