If you followed this site pre-deadline (and you damn well better have!), you'll know that I maintained from the outset that the Ottawa Senators were never real players in the Rick Nash sweepstakes. Adding a big ticket player like Nash just wasn't in the cards for this team this past season.
But that doesn't mean the Sens weren't interested.
From what I've been told, Bryan Murray is a huge fan of Nash and did make a call to Jackets GM Scott Howson prior to the deadline. The asking price was astronomically high and apparently included two or three significant prospects out of the Sens system. Too rich for the Sens blood at that point in time but it does show that Murray and his staff thought enough of the player to at least pick up the phone.
I would expect the Senators to explore this option again this off season. Murray has made it known that he'd like to add another scoring forward and with the free agent market relatively thin, his options could be fairly limited.
With depth in goal (Bishop and Lehner) and up front (Zibanejad, Stone, Silfverberg, etc.) it's pretty clear that Ottawa has the pieces needed to make something happen.
From a personal stand point, I would much rather see the Sens go the free agent route and nab someone like Zach Parise but that may not be in the cards, especially when you consider the run the Devils have gone on this season.
When the Rick Nash sweepstakes were in full swing leading up to the deadline, Nash had submitted a list of teams he would accept a deal to. The belief is there's a chance that list could expand during the off season with more teams willing and able to explore a trade.
The Ottawa Senators showed some interest before and I expect they'll show interest again this off season.
What would it take to get Rick Nash in a Senators uniform? Is this an option you'd like to see the Sens seriously explore this offseason?
IF he offers something, maybe a package including Lehner, Zibby, Foligno, the 2012 1st and the 2013 2nd or something would be something Howson would be looking for?
Still seems too high to me though. Drive hard for Parise is my advice.
I suspect
one of Karlsson/Cowen
+
one of Zibby/Silver
+
one of lehner/bishop
probably +
high draft pick
yeah ill pass
IF we could do
Weircioch
+
dacosta and Prince
+either a goalie or a pick
maybe
They want lots for Nash but what HAS HE DONE LATELY. Kessel at least put up 80 points with no real centerman. I don't know if you agree but he has our D-men back peddling like crazy when he tkes off up ice with the puck. Nash to me is SOOOO over rated.
Lets try for PARISE first please.
Then I think if that doesn't work - maybe Murray can outsmart another GM - exaple Burke(the dufus) for KESSEL. They've said the ywant to trade him.
Believe what you want...i suspect its leveraging/poke r facing
I hope so - I don't want the Sens to be a team that doesn't spend to the cap limit.
Melnyk has certainly suggested that but Murray has always stressed that if he can make the case to Melnyk that it will make the team better, the owner will listen.
ok that's reassuring. There is so much posturing it's hard to say what's real and what isn't.
Personally, no thanks to Nash. you will have to overpay for a guy who's career best is 41 goals. He definitely has the potential to match or better that on Spezza's wing but he isnt getting any younger and I don't know if it's worth giving up prospects for.
We dont need Nash that bad, as we have major help aolong the way from the farm. This trade is as far as I would go,
Start off by offering 2012 1st rnd pick, 2012 3rd rnd pick. Then offer Bishop in the mix to up the offer, but thats it.
Howson is dreaming if he thinks he can get a roster player, two blue chippers and a 1st rounder, any team would be cray to give that up.
Personally I would stick to trying to land one of Parise, Suter, Jagr or (in my wildest dreams), Selanne.
Ummmm why?
Obviously depending on wether Alfie retires or not. Just a veteran scoring forward to guide the young guns for a year.
No way, no how.
*sticks fingers in ears*
LALALALALALALALALA
1) we do not need him as desperately as other teams will need him, therefore they will pay more for him than we will be willing to give up
2) why would we give up so much for him, when we can take a solid run at Parise... albeit that is far fetched as well, but will not cost us as much
IMO when Murray talks about adding a top 6 I think he means a UFA who may be a bit underated ie Parentau or
perhaps if not on the UFA then
Plan Bhe would add one internally ie Silfver or Stone
But really think Nash is a slim to no chance of landing in Ottawa
No geezers please. Re-build. reeeee-biuldddd ddd.
The price will have come down a little but I still think whoever gets Nash will be paying over the odds.
It's different from the Heatley situation in as much as Nash isn't coming off as a totally selfish shit but the situation will some become untenable. There is also the fact that Howson must realise Nash has to go if they are going to do a proper rebuild.
I imagine the price would be a good first round pick + top roster player (either top 6 or top 4) and one or two very very good prospect. If the 1st round pick isn't great then I think they'd expect another piece as well.
Our first, Michalek, Cowen and Noesen or Puempel, would you do that? I wouldn't.
Alot of talk is about Ottawa needing a scoring forward, but lets not forget that we were tied for 4th overall this year with Vancouver in Goals For with 249. Not too bad for a team that apparently needs scoring next season. If you ask me, our 240 against, one of the leagues worst, is the area we need to fix. Hence the reason I think we should focus heavily on getting a shutdown defense man.
Sure, we could lose Alfie and Kuba this coming season (combined 33 goals) which would lower our overall production, but adding a 15-20 goal guy and anticipating a few guys doing better this year, it would keep us in the running and most shutdown D are usually good for a few goals to match Kuba's average goal total. So we'd fair about even next season I think.
While I'd love to get Parise, If that is WAY out of reach I'd rather see Ottawa try to do what Washington did, add character guys who can pot goals but also play with the edge that is needed in the playoffs. Those guys usually don't carry too large of a contract and are great when it comes to mentoring the younger guys.
Quoting IcySurfas
I feel good enough about this team moving forward, that Im sure Alfie will be able to raise the cup with the Senators. If that happens next year (if he plays, and we go the distance), then awesome, what a way to retire!! However I will still have a tear in my eye if he hoists the cup wearing a suit as an asst coach (or whatever it will be) post-retirement . The first scenario would be better than the latter, but I will take it in any form it comes in.
Also Miguel, we went back and forth a little bit yesterday on the Alfie retirement issue. No bad blood here man, it justs shows how emotional Sens fans are about the issue. For myself, I am trying to emotionally prepare myself for the possibility that he does indeed hang up the skates. Soften the blow I guess. Don't get me wrong, I'd be ecstatic if he can still play. I just don't want to stay up all night thinking about what's under the xmas tree, and then in the morning find out.....no Alfie. As fans, we can only hope, and maybe even pray a little. But in the end, I will respect his decision.
Very Profound ( I'll admit almost shed a tear :) ), and excellently stated, I am sure most of fell exactly as you feel, and it will be a very heartfelt moment for me the day he decides that #11 will never be seen skating RW for our beloved Sens!!!
And we may disagree but never any bad blood amongst Sens Army soldiers ( hey even the best of teamates have arguments :)
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you could probably get Heatley for Cheechoo at the moment
Is he still with the Wild, or has he been looking to move again !??
We have plenty of them, if Murray can somehow lower the asking price I would definitely try and get Nash.
Lower asking price I mean: 15th overall, Zibanejad + Foligno or Greening or Condra or ...
that is funny!
I am sure they would even take Yashin for Cheechoo :)
Still with wild, kalrsson should be signed to a 1yr deal to see how he plays next season
Parise - Spezza - Stone
Michalek - Turris - Zibanejad
On second thought, Parise is much quicker and Nash is somewhat a slug. That took a lot in saying that seeing as Parise is American and Nash is our fellow countryman and I love him. However...
Foligno, Bishop, Michalek and Butler. If not, then we do the hardest to land Parise and GTFO.
Wow, if only one of those could land Nash I would do it in a heartbeat...non e of those players are proven and in my opinion none will be as good as Nash (Noesen a close possibility).
Giving up 1 of those guys wont hurt us one bit and not all of them will even make the team anyways. No room for all of them. Some can be used as bargaining chips.
Absolutely Tookie, that is seven legit prospects that we have up front. There is no way we keep all of them in the long run. Whether it is a blockbuster deal or future off season or trade deadline acquisition, some of those guys will be playing elsewhere in the next few years. Murray has a lot of trade able assets at his disposal, and will certainly use them if the opportunity presents itself.
I think he is exactly what we need...
I'm thinking back to Detroit before they won the cup... They went and traded for Shanahan...
In my opinion, Nash would be a better fit with Spezza, then Parise, Kessel, and any other smallish speedy forwards...
Michalek, Foligno, Bishop, next year's first round pick, Butler... that should be close ...
If we lose Michalek's contract, and eventually Alfies, that would make room for Nash's...
AND
this would make some room on the team for our prospects coming up...
If you are reading this Bryan Murray or Tim Murray ... DO IT and GET'ER DONE !!
It wouldn't hurt the "rebuild" one bit.
http://www.tsn.ca/showdown/2012/
Spezza vs Grabovski
Also, for Nash, I wouldn't give much up if possible. I understand that CLB wants to get a much as possible in return, but maybe they should just be happy that they are making cap space and sign a few UFA/RFA this summer.
If I had to go with Nash, I'd be willing to give up Zibanejad, Wiercoch, Butler and a 1st. If they insist that's not enough I'd consider replacing Butler with Foligno or Michalek and if they absolutely need a goalie too then I'd send Bishop but I'd ask for Mason in return.
My reasoning for asking for Mason is because I think the guy is still a good goalie, his problem is a lack of confidence. Columbus really does not develop their youth well and on top of that their defence has never really been good. I think if he were to come here and get some confidence back and work hard as a backup, he'll start to turn the corner and still create competition for Lehner.
Every year we look to see who's available in the FA... Every year we look to see which of our prospects can make the team...
In my opinion... Rebuild means getting rid of guys you considered to be part of your "core team"... which we've already done... There isnt much now that is part of the core team that we could get rid of... Who's part of the core team? (Spezza, Turris, Alfie, Michalek, Neil, Philips, Cowen, Foligno, Karlsson)... Who of those guys are we willing to let go? (for me, just Michalek and Foligno)... Otherwise, we are not exactly rebuilding, we're just builing as usual...
Playing with a TERRIBLE CBJ team, imagine what he can do with the Leagues 4th highest scoring team? And not to mention a TRUE #1 centreman Playmaker ELITE!
Give yer head a shake bud!
LAME excuse. Not every CLB team has been brutal. They made the playoffs in 08/09. Great players make things happen themselves. Crosby makes (I think) 8.7/year and can put up 100+ pts with Kunitz and Cooke on his wings. Oh and how many pts did Spezza put up with Greening and Michalek as his wingers? Thats what I thought... Nash is over rated. The only time I've ever seen him perform is with 2 other world-class linemates either at the olympics or world hockey championship. Pretty sure you could even throw neil on a line with Perry and Spezza and he'll put up pts
Give YOUR head a shake bud!
I also believe Bryan Murray will definitely be inquiring again pretty soon about Nash and I really do believe that he has the assets available to him to really be able to play around when it comes to negotiating. In the end I think BM could put together an offer nobody else around the league could match and/or Howesen could refuse. And I'm thinking something along the lines of...
2012 1st, Michalek, Bishop, and one of Zibanejad, Silfverberg, Noesen, Stone, or Puempel.
Those are 4 serious assets. If you compare that to NewYork's offer at the deadline which was a 1st rounder, DelZotto, Dubinski and Erixon...I'd say you choose the Sens offer for sure. And in my opinion you'd probably not even half to offer that much. But even if you did this wouldn't put us in any kind of hole, rebuild wise. We'd still have plenty of prospects coming up. Nash is superior to any other power forward un the game. And I really do think that today's game is played in such a way that you need big fast forwards with a scoring touch. And Nash is the very best at that
Crosby is the best player in the game, nimrod...
Michalek scored 35 goals bud, not much can be said for Nash's linemates. Also Spezza gets a ton of PP points and we have a Alfie, Karlsson, Michalek on the PP...Nash had...Umberger? !?!
No you give your head a shake you tool!!
Nash is the farthest thing from being overrated. Nobody is saying Nash is Crosby. He is not in the conversation for the best player in the world. Exactly why he gets paid 7.4 and not 8.7 like Crosby and Ovechkyn. Nash is an absolutely dominate power forward. Probably the best in the league. And he is paid exactly that way. And should be!!
You also just completely contradicted yourself. When Nash plays in the worlds and Olympics with other elite players (aka Spezza), his game goes to another level. So explain to me again why he wouldn't fit in in Ottawa??
The only thing about Nash is that it may cost a tad too much to get him because his GM is a nut and his job is quite possibly on the line if he screws this deal up
"OMG WE GOT NASH WOOHOO."
WE WILL WIN DA STANLEY CUP WOO."
"This is a great trade, I am very please."
"This is a bad trade, Murray should be fired."
So in the long run we can bitch and moan all we want, if Murray has the assets to get it done, we must accept it. Or jump on a bandwagon of another team simple as that.
LMAO you call me a nimrod yet made yourself look like the biggest nimrod. THATS MY POINT! Crosby, best player in the world, makes 8.7. Nash makes 7.8 and never put up 80. Also michalek has never been anything but a second liner winger, so don't give me tha bullshit that spezza has so much more talent to work with than Nash. Michalek's highest pt total was 66 with the Sharks, Umberger's is 57 with CBJ. So before you go calling someone a nimrod, do some research or else you just make yourself look like an ass clown
To Columbus:
Michalek, Foligno, 2012 1st, 2013 1st, Bishop, Greening
To Ottawa:
Columbus 2013 1st, Nash
Use Columbus' 1st to stop winnin' for Mackinnon.
LMFAO you know how bad that idea is but it made you laugh. You know it did!
How can I look bad when everything I said is bang on?? You just confirmed it by re-writting it all, LOL. You just confirmed that Spezza had better players to play with, funny how you dont acknowledge Kalrsson and Alfie.
And we are talking about this year right, if you wanna compare Greening and Michalek otherwise Spezza has BY FAR had the better cast in past years. I would def take Greening's and Michalek's over Prospal's and Umberger's or Brassard's, LOL.
Lay off the pipe bro.
Oh and by the way Umberger had 40pts this year. Not 57.
Also Nash is in his prime at 27, he is good for another 8-10 years alongside Spezza, scoring 35+ each year. That 7.8 contract is going to be a steal down the road when other players sign for way more!
I can tell that you are 12 years old seeing as you called me a "tool".
How about this, "tool": Because of the cap, teams have to get the best value for their dollar. Did I say Nash wouldn't fit in Ottawa? Nope. I think he would do fine with Spezza. Do I think he is worth the cap hit on the team? NO. Just think, would you take Ovechkin's 9.5 million hit this year for his 65 pts? If you would, that would be a terrible business move. The best teams are the ones that get players for good value. This is exactly the opposite of what the leafs and habs do which is why they suck so bad and are screwed for years to come. Look no further than Camalleri, Conolly, Gionta, Gomez, Phaneuf, etc etc... Cap managment is crucial to say the least and that doesn't even factor in the pieces we would have to give up to bring him here. This isn't EA NHL 12 videogame bud, it involves real business so please shut your mouth.
1. If you knew how to read I was comparing Umberger and Michalek's career stats since you claim Michalek is so much more talented. Never said Umberger had 57 this year.
2.Spezza only plays with Alfie on the PP, thats why I didnt bring him up.
3. Nash had Carter on his wing for parts of the season and still didn't do jack shit. Last I checked, Carter has scored 40 before which is more than I can say about Greening or Michalek
Your username really says it all...
You know, it is possible, or it should be, to make your point without calling everyone who disagrees a nimrod, tool, etc.
Take my word for it - it's a pretty sad state of affairs when I'm the one encouraging others to take the high road - as I have been known for the occasional emotional outburst - but the name-calling is reaching epidemic levels...
Ottawa: Cowen Bishop Zibanejad 1st
CLB : Nash 1st
Ottawa : CLB 1ST 2nd overall
WASH: COL 1ST (11 overall) AND WASH 1ST (16 overall)
Ottawa drafts Ceci and Subban get Nash
Nash Spezza Alfie
Silfverberg Turris Milo
If we somehow ended up with the 2 pick in the draft, Murray would draft Ryan Murray ahead of Ceci. You have to take the best player available and he is a sure fire franchise defenceman.
But he does.
Is there even a suggestion that we were on the list of teams Nash provided in February - or that would be on a list if he was to provide one now?
I agree , but with Karlsson we already have that.. .Ottawa could trade out to a team like wash and replace what it would cost to get Nash ....just an crazy idea
lets get realistic:
We all agree Nash is a top 3 player who has talent
to land Nash we will be having to pay:
a top line forward or top D-man
a top prospect
and a first round pick.
Add to this that we are not the only ones interested in him.
Question, Are we one of the most desperate teams that will put together a package like this to land him?
I for one do not think we will be that desperate team, and therefore CBJ will obviously send him to the highest bidder,
I really do not think that we will be willing to pay that high a price for him... therefore zero chance we land him
Having said that, there are good arguments for both sides, just play fair... we are all in Sens Army together
that overlooks the fact that Nash has a NTC. Washington can offer Ovechkin, Semin and Green for Nash, but if Nash doesn't want to go there it isn't going to happen.
Fair enough, is Ottawa on his list?
If so how many teams on that list, and of those teams I still believe that we will not be the most desperate to offer the highest value... IMO of course
Unless the only other teams on the list are the 5 teams currently remaining in the playoffs we're not going to be the most desperate team on that list.
Miguel has it right - we could go after Nash if we're even on his list - but we sure as hell should NOT outbid desperate teams like Toronto, Vancouver, Detroit, Chicago, Boston etc (one or two are bound to be on the list).
There were 6, at most 7 teams mentioned and Ottawa was never one of them.
Rangers were on there, Sharks and Kings. Can't remember the rest and I can't remember whether the leafs were actually on the list or that was just wet dreaming by Toronto Sports Network.
I would guess that Howson will be keen to have Nash expand the list as nobody bit on deadline day. Whatever happens Howson is bound to have more teams to work with than the 1 team list Murray had when trying to ship Heatley out of town.
Agreed.
If it's a short list, we're not on it.
If it's a long list then there are going to be many teams more desperate to appease their fans than us.
So, in summary, Nash ain't happening. Nothing wrong with discussion and dreaming etc, but we're not getting Nash in a trade.
UFAs you can at least pitch them on the city, organization, potential teammates etc so we could have a shot at Parise (if he goes UFA after all) but in a trade scenario we're just not desperate enough to get a top commodity (which is a good thing by the way).
Well said,
But other than Parise, who I would love beside Spezza, are there any other ones that we should target?
I keep hearing about Parentau, and he did have a good year, but was a flash in the pan?
I would think someone like that may be easier and although more risky, reasonable.
Thoughts?
Jiri Hudler would look great on Spezza's wing and is a solid two way player. Maclean has familiarity with him and he's got his best years ahead of him.
To me, this should be what Murray's focusing between now and the draft/July 1st:
Determine what sort of contract limits would make sense for Parise, Suter, Parenteau and the rest of the top 20 or so UFAs. Not saying we should go after all of them of course, but, for example, if Murray feels that the most he'd pay Parenteau is $3M per year for 3 years then that's the "cap" as it were. Do that for all the UFAs out there worth doing it for and if they can't be had for what he's carved out then let them go elsewhere and just continue to focus on our young prospects.
Relative to the draft, he should explore the top 15 guys and which ones he would be willing to trade up for and what he'd be willing to offer. Again, for example, he might be willing to offer one of our depth forward prospects to move up to get Ceci or Murray for example. At the draft he make those offers and if he gets denied then walk away again.
Bottom line - there's no rush to do anything right now. If a good trade looks possible then go for it (not trying to say we can't improve our team - far from it) but the time for "desperate" trades is when the core of the team is peaking and we're ready to go for broke.
What I'd like:
Michalek
Weircioch
Anderson
What I think is more realistic:
Michalek
Weicioch
Bishop
Butler (mostly to say they got two roster players to appease the uneducated Columbus fans)
Da Costa (to say they got another prospect)
2nd
I know given the raw numbers it seems like a lot. We're giving up Michalek, a 30+ goal scorer (only one time) for a guy who's never hit 80 points and has a huge cap hit. Nash has consistently put up 30 goals, and I think though he's hardly a set up man, his lack of assists has to do with having shit linemates. Nash has intangibles, and he is a rare power forward with speed.
They won't just give him away folks.
I would not want Murray to give up Cowen.. Maybe Puemple -- but not Zibanejad, Silfveberg, Stone or Noesen...
Ottawa spent some time and effort building up the forwards... not to trade them away.
Do we know for sure what teams were on his list? Or was it just speculation.
Off topic:
http://www.change.org/petitions/ottawa-senators-hockey-fans-get-daniel-alfredsson-to-play-another-year?utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition&utm_term=share_button_modal
Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/rangers/rangers_don_trade_for_nash_stand_jAPkLXtsG4UrJTPv9MxcVN#ixzz1uaXyezcL
Yeah and only Kreider is having an impact in the playoffs...Hage lin and Stepan have been huge dissapointmens and they could of given Del Zotto and not lose much on the back end.
Imagine Nash on that top NYR line right now its pretty safe to say there is probably no game 7 being played.
Hax you are bang on, Murray should put up a list together of the to 20 UFA wingers he would like alongside Spezza, and then put a number that they feel is reasonable, and then go after them.
I love Hudler, and think Parentau could work, any other realistic ideas?
McDonagh/Del Zotto are two excellent young dmen for NYR = Cowen
Stepan and Kreider are two extremely good young prospects, both first rounders = Noesen and Puemple.
Dubinsky = Zack Smith at best, Jim O'Brien at worst.
Hagelin is a low draft pick who is coming into his own = Greening
So would you trade Nash for Cowen, Noesen, Puemple and Greening or Smith?
Yes! and apparently the Rangers did offer that and got denied at the time, that wasnt enough....ouch!
ok then back to my origninal argument that we a zero chance of landing Nash
Lets look at a list of top 20 UFA wingers, and help Murray sign the right one
Right now I like both Hudler and Parentau, and dont think it would take too much to get them here alongside Spezza
I've been dreaming about acquiring Nash for years
He is what we need on the top line
a big body, gifted hands, and not afraid to work for his chances..
Basically he is the opposite of Michalek.. ZING!!
Nash would be crazy to have Toronto on his list and Not ottawa
Unless he wants to remain out of the playoffs for another decade
if I read this correctly b/c there are a couple of "or" I think it would have been
Cowen - McDonough
Zach Smith - Hagelin
Foligno - Dubinsky
Noeson - Krieder
Still pretty high a price or them to say NO to
Nash would be close to home without toronto media pressure and gets to play with young talented up in coming group and number 1 centre that will get Nash producing at the rate he should have always been at ..
Spezza easy 100 point player with Nash
Nash easy 90 point player
Nash is not a UFA so what is Spezza going to do? Get Nash to add Ottawa to the list? Doesn't matter since we'll get outbid by teams more desperate to improve. Ask Nash to pull a Heatley and ONLY put Ottawa on his list? LOL
I also like both those players, I just hope Murray lands 1 of them.
Doesnt matter if we get out bid Nash gets final say lol...Get him to adjust his list...If murray puts a good deal together and Nash wants too come all Nash has to do is approve trade ..
So you do want Nash to pull a Heatley? You want a guy like that?
Not me.
Does Nash actually get to approve the final trade? Or can Columbus work out any trade they want as long as it is with a team Nash has approved?
The Dispatch reports that the Boston Bruins, Los Angeles Kings, New York Rangers, San Jose Sharks and Toronto Maple Leafs “are believed to be on the approved list for Nash.”
The paper also says the Jackets were seeking at least one young player on an NHL team’s roster, as well as top prospects and draft picks.
They can only guess who is on the list... no one knows for sure except Columbus and Nash's people.
Technically yes but typically when a player provides a list it's implied that they will approve a trade to any team. Though Nash (or his agent) could be a douche and provide a list then STILL ask to approve any trade. Kinda like Heatley did.
Exactly, so take it for what it's worth. This is the same set of 5 teams that all the reports came up with, someway or another. TSN and Sportsnet has the same teams. Who knows though, could just be bologna
Mmmmm bologna...
Wow, they were winning at one point. Malkin's amazing.
Looking okay for a decent first playoff game.
Not that I care about the "no Spezzas". LOL
Just sayin'.
LOL
Don't get ZipZapCrap started.
Clearly Milo was saving himself for the next game and allowing his teammates to pad their stats anyway.
Poor Milo - he gets trashed when he doesn't score in a rout of a non-hockey team and he gets trashed when he scores empty net goals. Can't win.
And rightly so. He's too much of a non-factor.
LOL
How many goals do you want from a guy making $4M?
Besides, clearly Milo's assignment this game was to shut down the vaunted Italian offensive attack - he got a shutout!
LMAO you call me a nimrod yet made yourself look like the biggest nimrod. THATS MY POINT! Crosby, best player in the world, makes 8.7. Nash makes 7.8 and never put up 80. Also michalek has never been anything but a second liner winger, so don't give me tha bullshit that spezza has so much more talent to work with than Nash. Michalek's highest pt total was 66 with the Sharks, Umberger's is 57 with CBJ. So before you go calling someone a nimrod, do some research or else you just make yourself look like an ass clown
@ sensarmy, Tookie and others,
Unbelievable, how many posters are suggesting we give up to 5 players for one of Nash. To me Nash is worth the equivalent of what the Sens got for Heatley, which was Michalek and Cheechoo. No way Nash is worth more than 2 good players, and maybe a 1st Round or 2nd Round pick.
If Columbus wants more than 3 players to make a deal, simply say "No Thank You" and target Zach Parise.
All the bickering back and forth, is even more stupid than the deals posted on Nash leaving Columbus !
For the life of me I can't figure out against a great team like Russia the Swedes had Fasch in net and not Enroth... going against Varlemov...
that was an annoying game to watch. russians were non stop diving especially emelin. and that caused franzen to lose is f*cking mind.. and the rest of the swedes lost their composure and i guess at that point swedes were so distracted by russians antics that they forgot they have a game to still win.
side note: viktor fasth is better than enroth, he was sweden's best goalie this year. watch for an NHL team to sign fasth this year (id hate for it to be toronto..)
I have a feeling Hudler is not going to sign with Detroit before July 1st. He knows the market is thin and someone will pay him top dollar. He also was only 7th in ice time for forwards in Detroit so I'm sure he is looking for more responsibility considering he was still able to put up 25 goals and 50 points. I'd prefer him over Parenteau due to his consistency, health and knowledge of Macleans style. I'm sure Murray will make him an offer at the request of the Stache.
Jakob Silfverberg keeps filling the trophy room. Just awarded the Golden Puck, SEL MVP awarded by media. #Sens #SilfverWare
I would love to get Nash and pull their first out in a trade.
Michalek Foligno Butler Bishop Hoffman our first
Nash Spezza Stone
Greening Turris Silverburg/Alfie
Condra Smith Neil
Petersson DaCosta Zibby
Karlsson Suter
Murry Cowan
Gonchar Phillips
Borowecki
Andersson Lehner
The most I'd offer them Michalek + Bishop + 3rd Rounder. We'd be taking on about 4 million in salary but playing with Spezza I think Nash would probably earn his keep.
The truth is though lots of teams are interested in Nash and the bid that gets him will be an ugly overpayment. Not worth doing at all. It would be absolutely stupid for Ottawa to even consider Zibanejad or Cowen going into the deal. Ditto for our other top prospects. It's important in the new NHL to always be adding youth and high value players in terms of production vs. contract cost. You don't do that by selling the blue chips to get Nash.
Zibanejad alone in 2 years could be a 30g/30a player for us who does everything well. He'll be making way less money and have way more good years ahead of him than an almost 30 years of age Nash on a monster contract. The truth is though you know when Ottawa calls his is the first name that will come up, and the conversation will end there.
Not too mention it is by far the better play.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ayf76US9pF0&feature=player_embedded
Alfredsson
Karlsson
Spezza
Turris
Neil
Cowen
Lehner
Silfverberg
I think Michalek, Foligno, Bishop, and this years 1st is fair.
damn, why couldnt that happen last year so we would have possibly added coach KK to our assistants and not dave cameron.
i mean dave is a decent coach and he did coach bingo in 04-07 so he had ties with us before he event went to the majors. but this guy has never won something as a coach, hes come close (losing in memorial cup finals. losing in WJC finals). and if he is apparently the man that runs our PP. its a shame. we have one of the best passers in the league and couple of the better shooters arround the league and we still make our players stand like trees on the PP.
spezza, alfie, karlsson, turris.
mainly spezza on that list.
and with an added silfverberg shot
i think there isnt much arguemnet that these guys can all be top 3-5 shooters of pretty much any other team arround the league
i know i was being a bit of a homer about that list but i am dead serious especially about spezz and silfverberg. silfverberg will have the best shot on our team once he gets the confidence to shoot.
but i guess same thing can be said about turris..
Silfverburg though...I am SO pumped for...and keep trying to convince people that him and not Stone is the guy to watch next season, falls on many deaf ears though.
then you and i are on the exact same page. i still keep bringing up filatov when i can and i just want to rip on people that post "future lines" and have stone on top line and silfverberg on the 4th line or not in the line up at all.
i mean stone has potential and all but in my books he is still a project that should be developed through another 2+years in bingo.
that only every happens with swedish D that get drafted top 5 in the NHL.
i honestly think he is going to have a bigger role than borocop very soon. although borocop should make it to the NHL atleast a year or 2 before freddy
i dont think he will be a top pair Dman but most definitely will be in the top 4.
I think Michalek, Foligno, Bishop, and this years 1st is fair.
Assuming everyone on that list stays healthy is it really that wise to throw away 45 goals, a good goalie and a first for a 40 goal scorer?
*former 40 goal scorer
For the first time in Senators history we have depth in the goaltending position making one of Bishop and or Lehner very expendable. I think Lehner will be a better goalie so I picked Bishop as the deal sweetner for Columbus.. I really dont see how that proposal is eye raising considering thats what it would take to get a potential 50 goal scorer.
R E B U I L D I N G
rick nash will not fit in ottawa because he likes to hold the puck. simple.
filatov didnt work with nash because both wanted to carry the puck.
carter and nash dont work because both want the puck.
spezza and nash, you guessed it. probably will not work.
the price asked is way too high of a risk to see what potential these guys may bring together.
Michalek - Spezza - Parise
Silfverberg - Turris - Alfredsson/ Zibanejad
Foligno - Regin - Neil
Greening - O'Brien - Condra
The top line alone should be as lethal as the 2007 one, only with Michalek who is known as a skater along with another speedster like Parise and Spezza in the circle, we should be even further than this year, maybe even repeating 2007 as early as next season. Stone, Puempel, Noesen, Prince, etc. can all hone their games back in juniors/ AHL for another year so when shitty contracts like Condra and Greening expires, can open up a couple of spots for them.
Is it kinda logical?
Sorry for the reality check folks.....but i would also rather not over spend on prospects for Nash.
@ SensFanInMTL,
More than 3 players for Nash, is not logical, but landing
Parise is " kinda logical "
The only chance that Sens have in landing Parise, is directly related to the financial situation in New Jersey.
They have been in financial trouble for some time, and could face bankruptcy. Might not be able to sign Parise.
But, then again, many teams will bid to sign Parise.
He would make the Sens a contender, for sure, and I hope the dream comes to reality.
Their will be a lot of teams pursuing this guy. We also need a good stay at home dman this off season...keep that in mind.
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GO SENS GO!
I think we should trade
- 2012 1st
- Stone
- Michalek
- Bishop
for
- Nash
- Methot
- 2013 2nd
I sure do..If it means Nash to Ottawa ...lol You think SJ fans were upset when Heatley said he wanted to play for only them ..Nash doesnt have Heatleys baggage so j wouldnt be worried about him
Posts like this make me appreciate bryan murray more!
That is a brutal trade...
Posts like this make me appreciate bryan murray more!
That is a brutal trade...
Would be a terrible trade for Ottawa...
all we'd have to give up is our rebuild.
j/k!
I wouldn't call Condra & Greening shitty contracts. Both are role players and you need some on your team.
Also for him WHC should not be any kind of trouble, since he is playing on his home turf; on the type of ice he dominated in during the SEL season. Not sure, his positioning as a wing along Spezza seems a little questionable to me for next year.
Maybe he's tired from the long sel cup run + coming to ottawa
He had a rough season with injuries... but the 3 years prior to this one he missed a total of 14 games over those 3 seasons so he was relativly healthy.
He has played well with Spezza before... but what would it cost the Sens to get him?
Would rather much have and could easily be replaced with Zibanejad and Stone assuming Alfredsson returns.
Michalek - Spezza - Parise
Silfverberg - Turris - Alfredsson
Zibanejad - Regin - Stone
Foligno - O'Brien - Neil
There ya go bud problem solved.
Stop winnin' for Mackinnon.
I'd have to say Michalek
Michalek Spezza Nash
Silverburg Turris Alfie
Zibby Regin Stone
Foligno Smith Neil
Condra Greening
Karlsson Suter
Murry Phillips
Cowan Gonchar
Borocop
Anderson
Lehner
could you please stop...
its been a damn long year for him traveling and lots and lots of hockey. no reason to panic in the off season about a meaningless tournament
I'm guessing one or two of the following end up in Ottawa:
Suter - I doubt it but have my fingers crossed
Garrison
Allen
O'Brien
Carle
Last time I checked a 50 goal scorer who requested a trade did not fetch that much.
the last 40goal scorer, carter. costed jack johnson and a 1st.
last 50goal scorer to be traded well you have to go pretty far back because when heatley was traded (from ottawa and from SJ) he was not a 50goal scorer not even a 40.
kovulchuk was traded for Oduya Bergfors Cormier, and a first and this was in 2010, 3 years since hes been a 50goal scorer.
point is youd be surprised how high a value a 50goal scorer would get you.
Justin Schultz!
why in the world would we give them BACK lehner (indirectly) we got lehner from the leclaire trade. and in the long run it looks like we really won that trade. i am sorry but if you think bishop is worth more than lehner.. well i dont need to say more.
i love bishop but we have seen it and many others agreed with me. both are going to be number 1 goalies. only difference is, lehner can steal you games or more. lehner brings character and swagger and teammates love that.
keep both goalies, plain and simple.
im glad to say on a few sites players like teuvo teravainen and galchenyuk have jumped up to the top 5-10 and causing guys like ceci and reinhart to slip down to 10-15 range. also interesting to see swedish Dman ludvig bystrom make a let rush up the standings to also arround 15.
1st
Peumple
Anderson
for Nash. Both Teams get better. Might as well trade anderson and Michalek while they're value is at it's highest.
Lehner and Bishop can battle for the starting job. Lehner is not going to develop any furthur playing in Bingo. He wants to face NHLer's. not career minor leaguers.
We won't even notice Puemple is gone.
You'll forget about michalek pretty quickly when Nash is lining up beside spezza.
Sucks to lose the 1st. But what can you do.
Sens probably can't afford all those contracts though
The big difference is that neither Carter or Kovolchuk didn't have No Trade Clauses so the respected teams could open the field to all teams. Nash has a NTC and in order to maximize the return he would need to waive it for a larger field of buyers which in turn increases his trade value. Heatless was a 2x 50 goal scorer and should have gotten a great return but he limited Murray to a select few teams which all of a sudden drops his value. That being said I am glad we got Michalek.
Wait so let me get this straight... You want to trade a 35 goal scorer, a number 1 goalie, a blue-chip offensive prospect that is thought to be one of the best up-and coming pure goal scorers, and a first round pick that will likely turn-out to be a top-4 defenseman, for a guy who got 30 goals and less than 60 points last year while being a - 19?
Are you fucking nuts?
Both are speedy players that can score yes... but Havlat has a good history in Ottawa.. and you won't be trading with Toronto.
Havlat has a good rapport with Spezza... it worked in the past... why won't it work again?
The 'return' Columbus is looking for to get Nash is more than ridiculous.
Agreed... why give up Lehner? Bishop is a good goalie no doubt but Lehner appears to be the future in Ottawa. Bishop may be more NHL ready right at this point as he has been in the AHL for 5 yrs... but hasn't had the success there that Robin has. Hopefully a better team in front of Lehner in Binghamton this season.. so he can have a good year. Hoping they hire the right coach.... Did you read that Luke Richardson is interested in the Head Coaching job in Bingo?
I wouldn't call him finished. He still has speed to burn.. and can score.
The only issue with Havlat is can he stay healthy... and he is now over 30 so I don't think Murray looks his way... Still love Marty.. was a fan of his when he was in Ottawa and still am... nothing wrong with that.
im with you on that. other than this season, injuries havent haunted him for 3+ seasons. and this past season with the sharks has been his only "bad" season getting a very respectable roughly 30points in 40 games.
31 years old is a perfect hockey player age i always believe that 27-32 is the prime age for a player, others can stretch that to 35.
plus with this past pretty low season his value should also be pretty low, i would not mind adding him.
but as always, if the price is right.
and i think there is no question that this guy is a playoff performer.
Agreed he does well in the playoffs... 3 pts in 5 games thi season.. and his playoffs before that was his last year in Chicago where he had 15 pts in 16 games.
He was also a +10 in 39 games this year... Then had not so good years in Minny but still had over 50 pts both seasons.
Glad we see eye to eye on the blue chipper prospect of being a pure goal scorer. Try explaining that to the hacks on here who dislike the eventual top line pairings of Puempel - Spezza - ? in the years to come. I liked your statement so for that, you receive a thumbs up.
Go Kings go.
haha thanks...and yes Puempel was actually thought to be going before he did because every one knew he was the best pure goal-sorer in that draft, but an injury is what made him available at 24 (similar to what happened with cowen).
And BTW I completely agree with the "Go Kings Go". They've always been my team from the west in the playoffs. Many people think I just bandwaggoned over this year, but really I did not...anyways.
GO SENS GO!
And if New Jersey goes to the final... does Parise stay there?
When the price was the highest back at the deadline, the most Howson would have received for Nash would have been 1 roster player, one prospect, and one pick. And that would have been the highest price (cap considerations withstanding).
BM made a heck of a deal to get disgruntled Turris to Ottawa, and he started producing. I remember all the belly aching back then at thought of losing Rundblad. Has anyone even had the least bit of concern for that lately? no. Not even so much has heart burn.
If there is a deal to be made with COL (Ottawa and COL have been trading partners in the past: see Lehner), and if BM can keep it attractive for Ottawa, he will make it.
There is no question Nash on Spezza's wing would be good for Ottawa. Would love to see it.
I don't see us landing Parise. We will be outbid on UFA day, and BM is not going to pay him ludricous UFA money like someone else will. (see Cammerli here. we wouldn't match what MTL ended up paying him)
I do believe in the end BM will make the best decision for the team to help Ottawa with the coach's mantra "to get a little better each day"!
KJ
That is just ridiculous. If Howson thinks he is getting close to that he is not rational. Nash is a very good player... but wanting that type of return? No way Murray would send the players that Columbus would be looking for. After taking Leclaire off their hands -- Howson owes Murray..LOL
Some other news around the league...
Predators Ryan Suter said he spoke with GM David Poile Wednesday morning.
“We talked about everything and the future, and how everything will go, and I think we’re going to meet again in a couple of weeks and kind of make a decision,” he said.
Suter wants to take some time to unwind.
“Wherever I sign I want to be there for the rest of my career, and that affects my family, my wife, my kid (and) if we have more kids,” Suter said. “Everything plays into it.”
The Flyers will likely have the cap room to re-sign Jaromir Jagr if they want, but Jagr isn’t ready to commit to next year just yet.
“Right now I don’t know,” he said about his future following Game 5. “I don’t know what’s going to happen.”
Botchford wouldn’t be surprised if Roberto Luongo’s list is more than 5 teams. Would he really want to come back to Vancouver and play 30-35 games? Some people claim that Ryan Suter has a list of teams he wants to play for, and the Predators aren’t on it. If Suter leaves, it puts more pressure on the Shea Weber situation. If they aren’t able to lock him up long-term, the Preds will have to either sign him to a 1 year deal or look to trade him. Botchford wonders if the Canucks would have enough to pull off a Weber trade. Ryan Kesler is damaged goods at the moment. Kevin Bieksa is locked up with a no-trade clause. Jannik Hansen might interest the Predators, but only as an add on piece. Defenseman Alex Edler would fit in nice at $3.25 million, but he has only 1 year left before he becomes a UFA.
The offense side will still be there since King Karlsson will only improve in the coming years.
Semin is available if you want a scoring UFA.
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