Friday, 09 March 2012 10:02

Sens Take 3 of 4 From New York

In his press conference the day he was hired, Paul MacLean talked about how he wanted this team to get a little bit better each day.

That philosophy has clearly rubbed off on the players.  After a big win in Tampa on Tuesday, the Sens beat the league's top team, the New York Rangers, for the third time this season and in the process, gave themselves a little more breathing room in the Eastern Conference playoff race.

Ryan Callahan struck first for the Rangers but after Zack Smith tied the game, the Sens seemed to take over.  They really seemed to control the pace of the game and did a good job limiting the Rangers chances. And while the shot total was ridiculously low through 40 minutes, it felt like the Sens were in complete control.

While Jason Spezza and Erik Karlsson have cooled off a little bit as of late, the secondary scoring has stepped up in a big way.  Last night it was Smith, Foligno and Turris all chipping in with big goals for the home side.  When the supporting cast is scoring, the Senators are a tough team to play against.

Gotta love the game of Jared Cowen last night.  From the drop of the puck, he was a physical force, landing big hits on Gaborik and Boyle in the early going.  It's crazy to think just how good he'll be down the road.

While the Rangers had their chances, part of that sense of control in this hockey game came from the strong play of Ben Bishop.  Bishop plays goal by the book.  Always seems to be in the right position and really battles in his crease.

With last night's win, the Sens now have an eight point cushion over the 9th place Winnipeg Jets.  According to Sports Club Stats, the Sens are up to a 97.9% chance of securing a spot.  Nothing locked up yet but the Senators have definitely put themselves in a good position with just 13 games left in the season.

The Sens are on the ice for 12:00 PM practice today at Scotiabank Place.  They host the Buffalo Sabres tomorrow night.

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+5 #1 SlickRick 2012-03-09 10:07
YEEEEEEEEAHHHHH BOOOOOOOOOOOYYY YYYYYYYY! *flava flav voice
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0 #2 SlickRick 2012-03-09 10:10
I really hope we can catch the Devils...but if we have to play Boston in the first round, I hope Foligno gets another case of the goalie runs (and I ain't talking diarhea)
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+6 #3 Sens of Peskyville 2012-03-09 10:22
I think I'd rather we finished 8th then 7th and played the Rangers rather than the Bruins.

Wow! Nice to be debating playoff positioning at this point in the season ;-)
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+4 #4 TrueSensFan 2012-03-09 10:25
Man, Bishop is a GIANT!! Was at the game lastnight in section 102 row A right at the glass in the corner of the home end and it was almost surreal seeing him up close.

I thought he looked a little nervous at first, a little bit of miscommunicatio n with the D but seemed to settle down quite nicely, I thought it was really neat when they initially came onto the ice for a quick skate and he just stood at the blue line for a minute and looked around the arena. Looked like he was taking it all in.

I hear ya Chirp, having only 7 shots after 2 was wierd cause we did still seem to be absolutely in control of the game.

Good game by the boys!!!
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+8 #5 sensarmy 2012-03-09 10:35
Sens 'till I die
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+6 #6 Ctea 2012-03-09 10:35
This was the first time I've seen the Sens play so consistently throughout the full 60 minutes. When Spezza and Karlsson were pressed, the other guys stepped up in a big way. Now we need the guys to play like this for the rest of the year. Go Sens!
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0 #7 Luke McQueen 2012-03-09 10:37
'm really eager for this Buffalo game. I always enjoy playing this divisional rival as the Sabres are a fast, well coached team, that rarely beat themselves. With the always stellar goaltending of Miller and now, a ton more fire power up front, I think they are a better team than their record would show.
All that said, this is a Sens teams that continually rises to challenges.
Didn't get to watch the game last night. How did Gilroy look? Thought he really struggled in the Chicago game despite showing some impressive speed at times.
Think PM is a shoe-in for the Jack Adams.
Love this year's Sens with every fibre of my being.
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+1 #8 Sensnation 2012-03-09 10:43
The boyz come through in a big way! What a great 60 minute effort from top to bottom. Not going to go too crazy as Lundqvist is definitely the MVP of that team and wasn't present, but still a quality win.

I was extremely impressed with Cowen and Gonchar last night. I'm not sure if playing together gave Gonchar a testosterone boost, but his shot blocking, checking and even the little shoving match were great to see. Cowen was just a man on a mission, taking everything in sight out and he was trying so hard to create offense. Couldn't believe how well Gonchar and the forwards covered him when he pinched. So great to see!

The Sens are definitely going to challenge their opponents in any playoff series.

I am also now confident in saying we have three #1 goaltenders! What a great problem to have. I still think Bishop is the least athletic, however the advantage of his puck skills with the stick and his size are great assets to have! Might as well keep going with him while he's winning.
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+2 #9 Tookie 2012-03-09 10:49
Yeah I agree, keep Bishop until he falters. No point in flip flopping if he's winning.
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+4 #10 WeAreSensFans! 2012-03-09 11:03
i'm surprised there wasn't more fights last night, the rangers looked like they were taking runs at karlsson all night.

glad our team made it through without injury, the rangers were trying to out muscle us. great win.
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+3 #11 Smash_88 2012-03-09 11:10
Quoting WeAreSensFans!:
i'm surprised there wasn't more fights last night, the rangers looked like they were taking runs at karlsson all night.

glad our team made it through without injury, the rangers were trying to out muscle us. great win.


I hope Karlsson is ready for it.. If we do play the bruins in round 1, what we saw yesterday will be nothing compared to what the Bruins will throw at him..

Like they said on the broadcast yesterday though, it comes with the territory of being a premiere offensive defenceman... He will be targeted
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+3 #12 SNOOPY SENIOR 2012-03-09 11:18
Quoting Smash_88:
Quoting WeAreSensFans!:
i'm surprised there wasn't more fights last night, the rangers looked like they were taking runs at karlsson all night.

glad our team made it through without injury, the rangers were trying to out muscle us. great win.


I hope Karlsson is ready for it.. If we do play the bruins in round 1, what we saw yesterday will be nothing compared to what the Bruins will throw at him..

Like they said on the broadcast yesterday though, it comes with the territory of being a premiere offensive defenceman... He will be targeted


@ Smash_88

Well, first and foremost, they have to be fast enough to catch him !!

Not too many players in the NHL, can keep up with Karlsson,
let alone know where he is going, and what will he do next .
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+2 #13 WeAreSensFans! 2012-03-09 11:25
@ snoopy senior

Karlson was caught and hit 5 or more times last night on pretty heavy hits.

BTW

Where was st.louis projected to place this season? i remember st.louis being a decent team before hitchcock than when they went on a 4-5 game skid their coach was fired for hitchcock...

where as Mclean comes into a new team, lottery team last year predicted to be 30th in the league shows that mclean is doing a much better job than anybody could imagine. Mclean looks to be the jack adams front runner.
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+1 #14 Hax 2012-03-09 11:27
Quoting Smash_88:
Quoting WeAreSensFans!:
i'm surprised there wasn't more fights last night, the rangers looked like they were taking runs at karlsson all night.

glad our team made it through without injury, the rangers were trying to out muscle us. great win.


I hope Karlsson is ready for it.. If we do play the bruins in round 1, what we saw yesterday will be nothing compared to what the Bruins will throw at him..

Like they said on the broadcast yesterday though, it comes with the territory of being a premiere offensive defenceman... He will be targeted


To me that's the best thing to happen this season: That Karlsson is getting all sorts of attention and (slowly) learning to deal with it. That's pretty much all that's left in his game - the ability to not get rattled when the other team is all over him. I can see teams saying "We'll just run him until we get called on it and hope that by then he's stopped playing." Like people have done with guys like Kovalev, Green etc.

I think Karlsson's having some trouble with that right now but he'll learn. Spezza went through the same thing.
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0 #15 Johne 2012-03-09 11:30
I always love Bobby Mac, but when he tweets about music I like, like RATM, he is downright amazing.
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+2 #16 specko 2012-03-09 11:32
Great game - every Senator played a real solid game, and dictated the speed and style of the game.

I was at the game and was alittle confused about the 'goal review' on the open net, can anyone fill me in? I'm guessing there was a close call on Bishop?
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0 #17 RUSHRLZ 2012-03-09 11:33
Quoting Johne:
I always love Bobby Mac, but when he tweets about music I like, like RATM, he is downright amazing.


Know your Enemy.
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+2 #18 DenisVial 2012-03-09 11:34
Can't wait for Saturday night! It's going to be a tough test against a very hungry Buffalo squad. Great to see Gonchar engaged and enraged! If he gets going we can really make some noise this spring. Go Sens Go!
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+1 #19 Hax 2012-03-09 11:35
Quoting specko:
Great game - every Senator played a real solid game, and dictated the speed and style of the game.

I was at the game and was alittle confused about the 'goal review' on the open net, can anyone fill me in? I'm guessing there was a close call on Bishop?


Yeah apparently NYR petitioned that they had scored at the other end. I was actually a bit worried when the ref pointed to center ice thinking that had to mean it was a Ranger goal (since that's what they were reviewing) but there really wasn't anything close at our end at all.

Funniest part was at the arena where they showed the slo-mo replay of Spezza's goal as if there was something in doubt there. "Hmm, looks like it crosses the line right ... about ... there!"
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0 #20 SNOOPY SENIOR 2012-03-09 11:39
[quote name="WeAreSens Fans!"]@ snoopy senior

Karlson was caught and hit 5 or more times last night on pretty heavy hits.

BTW

Where was st.louis projected to place this season? i remember st.louis being a decent team before hitchcock than when they went on a 4-5 game skid their coach was fired for hitchcock...

where as Mclean comes into a new team, lottery team last year predicted to be 30th in the league shows that mclean is doing a much better job than anybody could imagine. Mclean looks to be the jack adams front runner.[/quote

@ We Are SensFans,

I'm talking about when he is carrying the puck and zig-zags all over the ice.

Sure he got caught and hit, but it was behind his net, or along the board.]
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0 #21 jakester 2012-03-09 11:39
Rangers have most points but they aren't the BEST team in the EAST. Sens can lick these guys even with Lundqvist in nets.
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+1 #22 Hax 2012-03-09 11:44
Elliotte Friedman ‏ @FriedgeHNIC

Craig Anderson taking shots this morning. Notice he is only using the top of a stick. yfrog.com/obkjn xaj
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0 #23 St Nick 2012-03-09 11:45
Greening with the Gordie Howe against Tampa & Smith was one assist away from the Gordie Howe last night against the Rangers. Love the way the bottom six players are playing now. With all the talk of tiny Petersson this yr it was really nice to see how well Klinkhammer has fit in on the top 6. Obviously he needs to put up pts to stay but so far so good.
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+4 #24 DenisVial 2012-03-09 11:46
Philly and Jersey play against each other on Sunday and Tuesday. As long as there are no 3 point games, we have a great opportunity to inch towards the #6 seed. I'm more and more impressed with Karlson's defensive game. At one point, he grabbed a rebound in front of Bishop and immediately fired the puck towards the boards. Smart, simple and safe. Before, he would have looked around and tried to carry the puck or make a dangerous pass. This kid is learning very quickly that he needs to count on the support of his teammates and is making excellent decisions.
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0 #25 Hax 2012-03-09 11:54
Quoting St Nick:
Greening with the Gordie Howe against Tampa & Smith was one assist away from the Gordie Howe last night against the Rangers. Love the way the bottom six players are playing now. With all the talk of tiny Petersson this yr it was really nice to see how well Klinkhammer has fit in on the top 6. Obviously he needs to put up pts to stay but so far so good.


Klinkhammer still projects to a third liner but that will (hopefully) be because guys like Petersson, Silfverberg and Zibanejad push him down there. If we continue with the plan of two top 6 guys on each line with one bottom six guy then Klinkhammer (or Klinghoffer as some dude last night was calling him) certainly looks like he can be the mucker on the Turris/Alfie line.
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+2 #26 my2sens 2012-03-09 11:59
Goes to show the league, you shut down Spezza and Karlsson, our secondary steps up! You shut down our secondary and Spezza and Karlsson bury you!

Last night had playoff intensity and if the Sens can maintain that pace with this young team, the future is bright!

BIG question (no pun intended) - who back Anderson now!? Both Lehner and Bishop are playing great!!

SOLID WIN - GO SENS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!
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0 #27 Hax 2012-03-09 12:01
Quoting my2sens:
Goes to show the league, you shut down Spezza and Karlsson, our secondary steps up! You shut down our secondary and Spezza and Karlsson bury you!

Last night had playoff intensity and if the Sens can maintain that pace with this young team, the future is bright!

BIG question (no pun intended) - who back Anderson now!? Both Lehner and Bishop are playing great!!

SOLID WIN - GO SENS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


My vote is still on Lehner to be the backup for the playoffs right now. But Bishop might change my mind before the end of the season. Bishop has been very good but I think Lehner still looks a bit more polished and confident at this point (not surprising since he has a bit more NHL experience than Bishop - which isn't saying much).
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+4 #28 The Milkybar Kid 2012-03-09 12:04
Last night the shorter Rangers trying to screen Bishop made me smile.
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+2 #29 my2sens 2012-03-09 12:07
Quoting The Milkybar Kid:
Last night the shorter Rangers trying to screen Bishop made me smile.


Other than Chara they're all going to have to wave like asses like Avery vs. Brodeur!!
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0 #30 ibanez_guy 2012-03-09 12:07
Quoting SlickRick:
I really hope we can catch the Devils...but if we have to play Boston in the first round, I hope Foligno gets another case of the goalie runs (and I ain't talking diarhea)

If we can manage to just tie the Devils in points without having anymore shoot-out wins, then I think we win the tiebreaker for "regulation and overtime wins" :D
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-6 #31 PEI SENATORS 2012-03-09 12:18
Chirp,what do you think of the possibility of shipping Anderson for a top 6 forward on draft day? I think we could run with Lehner Bishop next year..
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0 #32 Hax 2012-03-09 12:20
Steve Lloyd ‏ @Steve_Lloyd


Winchester skating in Alfie's spot. Konopka rotating in with 4th line. Butler not a good bet to get back in as he's playing D with Kuba.


I kinda feel bad for Butler. I know he hasn't really earned much better this year but I still was hoping he'd find his groove be a good third line guy for us. I know they seem to have "Lee'd" on him (i.e. given up) but maybe he'll get another shot at camp next year. Doubt he lasts that long as I assume they'll deal him at the draft if they can get any takers.
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+2 #33 Hax 2012-03-09 12:23
Quoting PEI SENATORS:
Chirp,what do you think of the possibility of shipping Anderson for a top 6 forward on draft day? I think we could run with Lehner Bishop next year..


I wish I could thumbs down this post 1000 times. You want to go with two rookies with a combined 28 NHL games???

I hate the expression but "give your head a shake".
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+1 #34 darthsens911 2012-03-09 12:24
If we end up meeting the Bruins in the first round it would make a hell of a statement to beat them and would give the boys the confidence to go the rest of the way. Just sayin...
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+1 #35 Floridasensfan 2012-03-09 12:24
My money would be on Lehner backing up Anderson also, Lehner has the killer instinct that would give him an edge on bishop for playoffs (getting it done Calder Cup), also Lehner has earned it a bit more being Bishop is the new guy on the block but my mind is open, Bishop is playing well and if we can see some wow games out of him I could change my mind.

Perfect playoff roster would be Anderson Lehner Bishop and play whoever is smoking hot.

I understand the Max 23 roster spots changes to 25 once playoffs start.
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0 #36 Hax 2012-03-09 12:29
Quoting Floridasensfan:
My money would be on Lehner backing up Anderson also, Lehner has the killer instinct that would give him an edge on bishop for playoffs (getting it done Calder Cup), also Lehner has earned it a bit more being Bishop is the new guy on the block but my mind is open, Bishop is playing well and if we can see some wow games out of him I could change my mind.

Perfect playoff roster would be Anderson Lehner Bishop and play whoever is smoking hot.

I understand the Max 23 roster spots changes to 25 once playoffs start.


But can you carry three goalies in the playoffs? I know you can't in the regular season so does the expanding to 25 mean that changes?

Who are we kidding here though - does anyone really think Lehner or Bishop are going to start any games in the playoffs? It's Andy's team win or lose in my opinion. Unless he's a disaster or gets hurt I guess.
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+1 #37 ibanez_guy 2012-03-09 12:31
Quoting Hax:
Quoting PEI SENATORS:
Chirp,what do you think of the possibility of shipping Anderson for a top 6 forward on draft day? I think we could run with Lehner Bishop next year..


I wish I could thumbs down this post 1000 times. You want to go with two rookies with a combined 28 NHL games???

I hate the expression but "give your head a shake".

yeah, that's a little on the silly side...
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+2 #38 ibanez_guy 2012-03-09 12:33
Quoting Hax:
Steve Lloyd ‏ @Steve_Lloyd


Winchester skating in Alfie's spot. Konopka rotating in with 4th line. Butler not a good bet to get back in as he's playing D with Kuba.


I kinda feel bad for Butler. I know he hasn't really earned much better this year but I still was hoping he'd find his groove be a good third line guy for us. I know they seem to have "Lee'd" on him (i.e. given up) but maybe he'll get another shot at camp next year. Doubt he lasts that long as I assume they'll deal him at the draft if they can get any takers.

At this point, I'm chalking it up to a sophomore slump and I will give him another season to really show if he's got what it takes.
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+2 #39 MethotToMyMadness 2012-03-09 12:34
I'm looking at the top 8 right now in the East for the playoffs. I know, it's not that time yet. But It's more about the teams who are currently in the spots.

Everyone knows Boston has the fuel and make up of a playoff team, I would say they are #1 in the East as they play the wear and tear style of game, eventually grinding you out. Behind them, Philly and Pitts are almost a wash in 2nd, I actually give Pitts the edge having to play that style almost nightly with Crosby out of the lineup. After that it looks like NY and Ottawa as a close tie. Florida, Jersey and Washington (you can say the same for the Jets) play a less physical game.

We haven't seen the full potential of Ottawa yet as we've added so many new players sinc our last playoff birth, but if our regular season is any indication of how they will perform It's exciting to see what they'll do when all the chips are on the table.
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+2 #40 Floridasensfan 2012-03-09 12:35
I understand the Max 23 roster spots changes to 25 once playoffs start.

But can you carry three goalies in the playoffs? I know you can't in the regular season so does the expanding to 25 mean that changes?

Who are we kidding here though - does anyone really think Lehner or Bishop are going to start any games in the playoffs? It's Andy's team win or lose in my opinion. Unless he's a disaster or gets hurt I guess.

I think as long as one is in the press box you can but I could be wrong, it is still the 20 player team with 5 scratches.

Anderson is the go to guy for sure but if he falters I would not be scared if Lehner was in net.
I would be scared shitless however if it was Auld.
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+3 #41 CarloswSPECR1 2012-03-09 12:37
Quoting PEI SENATORS:
Chirp,what do you think of the possibility of shipping Anderson for a top 6 forward on draft day? I think we could run with Lehner Bishop next year..


You're either super optimistic, or you're a L'aff fan.

No way in hell we signed Anderson for 4 years, and ship him out after the first year.

Anderson is still our starter. Next year, it's Lehner vs Bishop for the backup.

Honestly, give your head a shake.
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+2 #42 Tookie 2012-03-09 12:41
Quoting Hax:
Quoting specko:
Great game - every Senator played a real solid game, and dictated the speed and style of the game.

I was at the game and was alittle confused about the 'goal review' on the open net, can anyone fill me in? I'm guessing there was a close call on Bishop?


Yeah apparently NYR petitioned that they had scored at the other end. I was actually a bit worried when the ref pointed to center ice thinking that had to mean it was a Ranger goal (since that's what they were reviewing) but there really wasn't anything close at our end at all.

Funniest part was at the arena where they showed the slo-mo replay of Spezza's goal as if there was something in doubt there. "Hmm, looks like it crosses the line right ... about ... there!"


You must of had alot to drink as when the ref pointed to centre the goal horn blasted....Had it been a NYR goal, dont think they would of blasted the horn :P
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+1 #43 Floridasensfan 2012-03-09 12:45
Really next year is Anderson Bishop due to the one way, but if anyone is to be shipped it will be Bishop but I don't see that.

It is either Anderson Lehner or Anderson Bishop.

No other reasonable option at this point.

I get the optimism of the two young guys being great but no chance, Anderson is way better than both of them and I think Lehner is awesome.

No need to bash on the guy for his optimism however misguided.

Having three top goalies is like a dream, why crush the dream.
Anderson is our starter, but what smokin backups to have.
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0 #44 WeAreSensFans! 2012-03-09 13:02
Hey chirp any word on how many call ups we have left?
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0 #45 Hax 2012-03-09 13:03
Quoting Tookie19:
You must of had alot to drink as when the ref pointed to centre the goal horn blasted....Had it been a NYR goal, dont think they would of blasted the horn :P


Um, no. But if the play/goal they were reviewing was a possible NYR goal and he signals to center ice that would mean (logically) a NYR goal. Now if in his garbled explanation he said something like "no goal at the Ottawa end so that means Spezza's goal counts" then that clarifies but nobody could hear him. The guy pushing the "make horn sound now" button is not exactly official is he?
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+5 #46 The Silfver Surfer 2012-03-09 13:04
Everyone here is talking about just catching up to and passing the Devils but why don't we hope for and consider that this team the way they are playing are capable now to catching up to and passing the defending Stanly Cup Champs and finishing the season 2ND IN THE EAST!!! GO SENS GO!!!
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0 #47 Hax 2012-03-09 13:06
Quoting Floridasensfan:
Really next year is Anderson Bishop due to the one way, but if anyone is to be shipped it will be Bishop but I don't see that.

It is either Anderson Lehner or Anderson Bishop.

No other reasonable option at this point.

I get the optimism of the two young guys being great but no chance, Anderson is way better than both of them and I think Lehner is awesome.

No need to bash on the guy for his optimism however misguided.

Having three top goalies is like a dream, why crush the dream.
Anderson is our starter, but what smokin backups to have.


Bishop is waiver exempt so they can send him to Bingo if they like. They have to pay him NHL money though which might entice them to trade him away if Lehner is the no-doubt-about- it backup after camp.

I question whether Lehner playing 15 games as backup is good for his development though. Anderson seem like the type that needs a ton of starts to stay sharp so I don't like the idea of him starting 55 games and Lehner 27 (or a split along those lines).
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+2 #48 The Apostle 2012-03-09 13:13
Quoting Hax:
Quoting Tookie19:
You must of had alot to drink as when the ref pointed to centre the goal horn blasted....Had it been a NYR goal, dont think they would of blasted the horn :P


Um, no. But if the play/goal they were reviewing was a possible NYR goal and he signals to center ice that would mean (logically) a NYR goal. Now if in his garbled explanation he said something like "no goal at the Ottawa end so that means Spezza's goal counts" then that clarifies but nobody could hear him. The guy pushing the "make horn sound now" button is not exactly official is he?


Man I hope his job title is make horn sound now guy.
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0 #49 Sensnation 2012-03-09 13:15
Quoting PEI SENATORS:
Chirp,what do you think of the possibility of shipping Anderson for a top 6 forward on draft day? I think we could run with Lehner Bishop next year..


I know this view isn't popular, but it's what I've been saying for a while now. Lehner does not need 2-3 more years of AHL seasoning, at most he may need some spurts next year. Add in Bishop who is at least a quality NHL backup, and there's a tradeable asset somewhere in the 3. Is it Anderson or Bishop, I think BM will have to make that decision between now and next year's trade deadline.

The arguments for Anderson are his return is probably the highest and his ceiling appears to be the 2nd best of the group. Personally I rate it Lehner > Anderson = Bishop long term.

Lehner is the future and pretty close to being the present too, so I would not move him.

Bishop could likely fetch us back the pick we gave up or slightly more.

Given all that Anderson does seem the most likely to be moved, but I get that several fans have fallen in love with him as our starter.

No matter what though, I'd rather be discussing this as oppose to who's better between Leclaire, Gerber and Brodeur.
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+3 #50 darthsens911 2012-03-09 13:19
Quoting Sensnation:
No matter what though, I'd rather be discussing this as oppose to who's better between Leclaire, Gerber and Brodeur.


Egad, don't want to remember those days ever again!
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0 #51 Sensnation 2012-03-09 13:21
Quoting Hax:
Quoting Floridasensfan:
Really next year is Anderson Bishop due to the one way, but if anyone is to be shipped it will be Bishop but I don't see that.

It is either Anderson Lehner or Anderson Bishop.

No other reasonable option at this point.

I get the optimism of the two young guys being great but no chance, Anderson is way better than both of them and I think Lehner is awesome.

No need to bash on the guy for his optimism however misguided.

Having three top goalies is like a dream, why crush the dream.
Anderson is our starter, but what smokin backups to have.


Bishop is waiver exempt so they can send him to Bingo if they like. They have to pay him NHL money though which might entice them to trade him away if Lehner is the no-doubt-about-it backup after camp.

I question whether Lehner playing 15 games as backup is good for his development though. Anderson seem like the type that needs a ton of starts to stay sharp so I don't like the idea of him starting 55 games and Lehner 27 (or a split along those lines).


How about Lehner 41, Bishop 41? It's a roll of the dice due to their lack of experience, but there isn't a better prospect tandem in the league to roll those dice with.
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0 #52 Floridasensfan 2012-03-09 13:27
@Hax

yes I agree 15 games does nothing for him as far as development, the perfect and I mean perfect situation would be splitting the back up with Bishop and Lehner.

Rotate them backing up Anderson throughout the year.

That way they both get games in the AHL and spend time in the NHL

Whoever is playing better in the AHL comes up, competition for back up.

The only way we see Bishop Lehner next year is if Anderson cuts some chicken next year or some type of injury, hopefully we do not see that again.
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0 #53 Sandy 2012-03-09 13:27
I was at the game last night... not the most entertaining the 1st two periods.. but the 3rd was good.

Teams are now focusing on Karlsson & Spezza and it's great the rest of the team is starting to pickup their game. Start playing playoff style hockey now... and get prepared for the playoffs.

If the Sens could by some miracle get by Boston in relatively healthy situation.. then I think they could go on a run.

If Pitts gets both Crosby & Letang back.. they could be the team to beat.

Going to our seats last night.. sitting behind us are two 'cute' young girls.. I say young -- about 19 or 20 (I'm sure most of you would have been interested) sitting there in their Leafs jersey. We mentioned they were at the wrong game... they just giggled and said they were there next week as well.. Great.

It took about 5 min into the game to determine they were just like any other arrogant, rude Leaf fan... I guess that's what happens to people when they put on that jersey and drink too much..

Big game on Saturday... since Enroth played last night.. I assume the Sens have the pleasure of playing against Miller... Hoping for the same effort as last night.. Bishop should have all of his 'jitters' gone...
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0 #54 CenterIce 2012-03-09 13:35
Quoting ibanez_guy:
Quoting Hax:
Steve Lloyd ‏ @Steve_Lloyd


Winchester skating in Alfie's spot. Konopka rotating in with 4th line. Butler not a good bet to get back in as he's playing D with Kuba.

I kinda feel bad for Butler. I know he hasn't really earned much better this year but I still was hoping he'd find his groove be a good third line guy for us. I know they seem to have "Lee'd" on him (i.e. given up) but maybe he'll get another shot at camp next year. Doubt he lasts that long as I assume they'll deal him at the draft if they can get any takers.

At this point, I'm chalking it up to a sophomore slump and I will give him another season to really show if he's got what it takes.


Since we had tons of roster spots available this year, I think Murray's strategy was to get some of these undrafted NCAA guys, give them some 1st line minutes with Spezza to pad up their stats a little and see if he can get anything in return at the end of the season. I don't think the intention was ever to keep him permanently, it's just part of the rebuild plan.
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-1 #55 Tookie 2012-03-09 13:46
Pomminville is on fire, what a great pick that was for me in my draft!

Anyways, it will be fun to watch how Sens handle him, he seems to be at the right place at the right time....alot of the times!

Smart player for sure.
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0 #56 Floridasensfan 2012-03-09 13:57
Butler played phenomenal last year, that why BM resigned him.

everyone was on here saying has Butler been resigned yet, any news, hope he has been resigned.
We thought he was a lock this year for 20+ goals, myself included.

This year he struggles and it is all trade Butler.

Just saying.

The guy is a sniper, I have no problem seeing how he does in playoffs or next year, no rush to dump him, next year is the last year of his contract, if he fails to impress next year and this is not just a slump he is gone anyways. (press box just like this year)
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+3 #57 Hax 2012-03-09 13:58
Quoting Sensnation:

How about Lehner 41, Bishop 41? It's a roll of the dice due to their lack of experience, but there isn't a better prospect tandem in the league to roll those dice with.


Yeah I'd like to go into next year with a proven starter thanks. We have Andy - no need to roll any dice IMO.
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+3 #58 Sens Saint .... the former #1 fan of Spezzafan19! 2012-03-09 14:02
I'm 100% against the idea of trading any of our goalies. Think about how many NHL starters are injured right now. Howard in Detroit, Rask in Beantown, Mason in Columbus, Backstrom in Minni, Dipietro & Montoya on the Island, Johnson in Pittsburg, Garon In Tampa and Mr. Craig Anderson.

That's a boat load of injured puck stoppers. So for those of you that wanna see one of our three become trade bait, my question to you is, what happens if Murray makes a trade and then one of our two remaining goalies go down? Call LeClaire? Lol.
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+1 #59 Floridasensfan 2012-03-09 14:04
Quoting Hax:
Quoting Sensnation:

How about Lehner 41, Bishop 41? It's a roll of the dice due to their lack of experience, but there isn't a better prospect tandem in the league to roll those dice with.


Yeah I'd like to go into next year with a proven starter thanks. We have Andy - no need to roll any dice IMO.


Agree 100%
no dice roll please, seen enough dice roll with Leclaire, enough for a lifetime.
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0 #60 Alcatraz 2012-03-09 14:07
Quoting Floridasensfan:
Butler played phenomenal last year, that why BM resigned him.

everyone was on here saying has Butler been resigned yet, any news, hope he has been resigned.
We thought he was a lock this year for 20+ goals, myself included.

This year he struggles and it is all trade Butler.

Just saying.

The guy is a sniper, I have no problem seeing how he does in playoffs or next year, no rush to dump him, next year is the last year of his contract, if he fails to impress next year and this is not just a slump he is gone anyways. (press box just like this year)


To me if he had a proven record coming into the league thats one thing, but as a NCAA player we "gambled" on him, he showed some flare in his first year, but not enough to really say hes a keeper. This is year is beyond a slump, how on earth can a kid like greening put up points playing with Spezza but a sniper like butler can't? and thats not me knocking greening

Butler had his chance and lost it on our roster as far as I'm concerned, we have other players who can come in and produce
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0 #61 Floridasensfan 2012-03-09 14:13
Alcatraz

Regin got a second chance, he sucked last year and came back, he was not NCAA.

He was great or better than great in playoffs and fizzled out from there.

I am just saying Butler has the tools to be better, if BM cuts him loose fine but I don't see it based on past decisions.
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0 #62 Hax 2012-03-09 14:14
Quoting Sens Saint:
I'm 100% against the idea of trading any of our goalies. Think about how many NHL starters are injured right now. Howard in Detroit, Rask in Beantown, Mason in Columbus, Backstrom in Minni, Dipietro & Montoya on the Island, Johnson in Pittsburg, Garon In Tampa and Mr. Craig Anderson.

That's a boat load of injured puck stoppers. So for those of you that wanna see one of our three become trade bait, my question to you is, what happens if Murray makes a trade and then one of our two remaining goalies go down? Call LeClaire? Lol.


Never a bad thing to have a little extra depth. My prediction for the end of camp next year:

Anderson is our starter, Lehner wins the backup job and then Murray has to decide if paying Bishop NHL dollars (it's only $650k but still) to play for Bingo is worth it.

Pros - extra depth, insurance against injuries, stability in Bingo
Cons - $$ that Melnyk may not want to spend, chance of Bishop being disgruntled (seems unlikely though)

I would bet if all the above transpires Murray will listen to offers on Bishop - if someone makes a great offer he'll move him and then go out and find a solid AHL goalie for Bingo and emergency recalls etc. Wonder if he still has Mike Brodeur's number.
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0 #63 Alcatraz 2012-03-09 14:16
Quoting Floridasensfan:
Alcatraz

Regin got a second chance, he sucked last year and came back, he was not NCAA.

He was great or better than great in playoffs and fizzled out from there.

I am just saying Butler has the tools to be better, if BM cuts him loose fine but I don't see it based on past decisions.


Only difference is that we had drafted regin many years prior, he has come to a few camps, we knew what we were getting in him. We developed him. I put a lot more weight in draft picks than NCAA guys "who come out of no where" These late bloomers are harder to hit the jackpot with than someone like regin who clearly showed a reason to be drafted i the first place at an earlier age

For that reaosn I would give regin the benefit of doubt, and not butler
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0 #64 Sensnation 2012-03-09 14:23
Quoting Hax:
Quoting Sensnation:

How about Lehner 41, Bishop 41? It's a roll of the dice due to their lack of experience, but there isn't a better prospect tandem in the league to roll those dice with.


Yeah I'd like to go into next year with a proven starter thanks. We have Andy - no need to roll any dice IMO.


By the end of this season at least 1 of, if not both, Lehner and Bishop should be NHL proven. Still early in their careers, but the results are there.
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+1 #65 Hax 2012-03-09 14:24
Quoting Alcatraz:
Quoting Floridasensfan:
Alcatraz

Regin got a second chance, he sucked last year and came back, he was not NCAA.

He was great or better than great in playoffs and fizzled out from there.

I am just saying Butler has the tools to be better, if BM cuts him loose fine but I don't see it based on past decisions.


Only difference is that we had drafted regin many years prior, he has come to a few camps, we knew what we were getting in him. We developed him. I put a lot more weight in draft picks than NCAA guys "who come out of no where" These late bloomers are harder to hit the jackpot with than someone like regin who clearly showed a reason to be drafted i the first place at an earlier age

For that reaosn I would give regin the benefit of doubt, and not butler


Good points and I would think (hope) that Murray took that into consideration before Butler was resigned. Clearly in hindsight it looks like a mistake but I don't recall public outcry at the time. Some people likely disagreed and they turned out to be right (it seems) but not like it was on anyone's top 10 blunder list the day it was announced.

Bottom line is that NCAA guys are pretty much like UFAs - no pick/asset required but there is risk in not knowing as much about them. I think that overall our NCAA scouting is pretty good compared to the rest of the NHL. NCAA is just another pool to go look for players - if our scouts are pretty good at finding diamonds in the rough then great.
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+1 #66 Hax 2012-03-09 14:27
Quoting Sensnation:
Quoting Hax:
Quoting Sensnation:

How about Lehner 41, Bishop 41? It's a roll of the dice due to their lack of experience, but there isn't a better prospect tandem in the league to roll those dice with.


Yeah I'd like to go into next year with a proven starter thanks. We have Andy - no need to roll any dice IMO.


By the end of this season at least 1 of, if not both, Lehner and Bishop should be NHL proven. Still early in their careers, but the results are there.


Well, no.

If Bishop plays every game the rest of the way that still leaves him at 28 career games. That doesn't prove much.
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0 #67 Alcatraz 2012-03-09 14:27
@Hax

I agree, I still fully support signing NCAA players simply for the fact they are already developed to a point and understand systems, low risk. I just believe they ahve to have a shorter leash as a result. They pan out ride them. The minute they don't and aren't contributing in a certain way then no point letting a 22 year old take a spot of a younger prospect

I say contribute because I still think Winchester was and has been a great player for us, simply because he does a lot of dirty work that we originally didn't sign him to do, he has really changed and strengthen his game around our team needs
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0 #68 Sensnation 2012-03-09 14:29
Quoting Floridasensfan:
Quoting Hax:
Quoting Sensnation:

How about Lehner 41, Bishop 41? It's a roll of the dice due to their lack of experience, but there isn't a better prospect tandem in the league to roll those dice with.


Yeah I'd like to go into next year with a proven starter thanks. We have Andy - no need to roll any dice IMO.


Agree 100%
no dice roll please, seen enough dice roll with Leclaire, enough for a lifetime.


Can't compare Leclaire situation to Lehner and Bishop. Completely different in my opinion.
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-8 #69 Uncle Phil 2012-03-09 14:31
I went to the game last night and it had playoff intensity all over it. New York was trying to intimidate Ottawa and I thought that we stood up to them well. Scott from New York is a monster of a man and there are several other players who are not only tall but must weigh in way above 240 pounds. Ottawa hit Gaborik every chance they had in New York hit Karlsson every chance they had. Neil was poking his nose in everywhere. New York did not get very many good chances. I was very disappointed that the game did not have over 20,000 fans. Most of the empty seats were up in the 300 level. I wonder if Ottawa is really capable of supporting and NHL franchise.
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+1 #70 Sens Saint .... the former #1 fan of Spezzafan19! 2012-03-09 14:32
Hax - I think Melynk would be more than happy to pay $650k if it means he has the insurance of three capable NHL ready goalies.
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+1 #71 Frootmig 2012-03-09 14:32
The reality is that Lehner hasn't been playing to his potential this year. He has unfortunately developed a "Been there done that" approach to the AHL that has slowed his development. He was the heir-apparent and was just bidding his time for 2012-13 to take his rightful place as the NHL back-up.

Bringing in Bishop has created a competition that wasn't there to help bring out the best replacement for Andy 2-3 years down the road.

I think Lehner has the greater potential, but he was stagnating. Now he has to fight for his spot and that will only make him a better keeper.

I do not expect that the Sens have any intentions of trading any of the 3 keepers any time soon. I suspect that Bishop will win the job for the remainder of this year, but I am looking forward to a great battle next year in spring training, and fully expect Lehner to grab the reins behind Andy for next season.
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+1 #72 Smash_88 2012-03-09 14:37
Quoting Uncle Phil:
I went to the game last night and it had playoff intensity all over it. New York was trying to intimidate Ottawa and I thought that we stood up to them well. Scott from New York is a monster of a man and there are several other players who are not only tall but must weigh in way above 240 pounds. Ottawa hit Gaborik every chance they had in New York hit Karlsson every chance they had. Neil was poking his nose in everywhere. New York did not get very many good chances. I was very disappointed that the game did not have over 20,000 fans. Most of the empty seats were up in the 300 level. I wonder if Ottawa is really capable of supporting and NHL franchise.


Roll of the goddamn eyes!
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+4 #73 Sens Saint .... the former #1 fan of Spezzafan19! 2012-03-09 14:43
Ya, Uncle Phil - you win the "Ass Clown of the day" award.
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0 #74 Sensnation 2012-03-09 14:44
Quoting Hax:
Quoting Sensnation:
Quoting Hax:
Quoting Sensnation:

How about Lehner 41, Bishop 41? It's a roll of the dice due to their lack of experience, but there isn't a better prospect tandem in the league to roll those dice with.


Yeah I'd like to go into next year with a proven starter thanks. We have Andy - no need to roll any dice IMO.


By the end of this season at least 1 of, if not both, Lehner and Bishop should be NHL proven. Still early in their careers, but the results are there.


Well, no.

If Bishop plays every game the rest of the way that still leaves him at 28 career games. That doesn't prove much.


You'll only accept a goalie with over 100+ games?

Personally I'm higher on skill than experience, but I understand the need to have both. If Bishop plays the rest of this year that's because it proves he's NHL ready, or else Lehner would play more. Not quite sure why you have so much emphasis on the games played. If they're ready and they have the skill they are ready!
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-2 #75 Tookie 2012-03-09 14:45
Quoting Smash_88:

Roll of the goddamn eyes!


Whats so wrong about voicing displeasure, I mean hell, it should have been sold out, but it wasnt. its a bit sad when you cant even sell out when the best team in hockey comes to town?

Dont bash the guy for saying it, its fact.
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+1 #76 Floridasensfan 2012-03-09 14:48
It is a stupid conversation to be honest, Lehner and Bishop have not proven to be better than Anderson so why do we not want the best again.

Anderson is our go to guy, when Lehner or Bishop prove to be better (more skilled as you put it) than Anderson we can talk again.

(guess you were not talking to me so sorry, just tired of the conversation)
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+6 #77 Sens Saint .... the former #1 fan of Spezzafan19! 2012-03-09 14:50
18,854 was last night's paid attendance. Don't make me re-think today's ass clown award Tooks
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0 #78 Sandy 2012-03-09 14:53
Could Butler just be having a sophomore slump? It happens to a lot of young players. We saw last season what he is capable of...over a 30 game stretch..

NCAA players could turn out to be very good... ie Matt Read in Philly, Kunitz was one as well I believe... or a bust like Penner..

As for goaltending.. IF Lehner is in Bingo next season and does really well or in Ottawa as backup.... ditto to Bishop.. then I see Anderson in Ottawa for one more season. I think going forward with Bishop & Lehner would be good for them and the team.

But trying to go for it next season is just to risky. We all remember Reimer was crowned as a great young goalie.. and ole Burkie went with 2 young goalies this season.. and it has not been good.

If Anderson has another great year... what kind of return would you get at the end of next season or at the draft..?
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+5 #79 boom 2012-03-09 14:59
The Sens are 7th in the league in home attendance. Yeah, shame on us, we don't deserve an NHL team. I guess they'll go back to a 6 team league eh?
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-2 #80 Tookie 2012-03-09 14:59
Quoting Sens Saint:
18,854 was last night's paid attendance. Don't make me re-think today's ass clown award Tooks


Thats good but much room for improvement, its not a sellout...which was what was dissapointing.. .
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+2 #81 Smash_88 2012-03-09 15:01
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting Smash_88:

Roll of the goddamn eyes!


Whats so wrong about voicing displeasure, I mean hell, it should have been sold out, but it wasnt. its a bit sad when you cant even sell out when the best team in hockey comes to town?

Dont bash the guy for saying it, its fact.



It's such a useless argument... 19,000 people is not a problem... That's fact!
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0 #82 Floridasensfan 2012-03-09 15:03
Quoting Sensnation:
Quoting Floridasensfan:
Quoting Hax:
Quoting Sensnation:

How about Lehner 41, Bishop 41? It's a roll of the dice due to their lack of experience, but there isn't a better prospect tandem in the league to roll those dice with.


Yeah I'd like to go into next year with a proven starter thanks. We have Andy - no need to roll any dice IMO.


Agree 100%
no dice roll please, seen enough dice roll with Leclaire, enough for a lifetime.


Can't compare Leclaire situation to Lehner and Bishop. Completely different in my opinion.


Could not resist, not the same as in Leclaire was not NHL ready or Leclaire did not have skill.
or that Leclaire was not really proven.
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0 #83 Tookie 2012-03-09 15:03
Quoting Smash_88:
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting Smash_88:

Roll of the goddamn eyes!


Whats so wrong about voicing displeasure, I mean hell, it should have been sold out, but it wasnt. its a bit sad when you cant even sell out when the best team in hockey comes to town?

Dont bash the guy for saying it, its fact.



It's such a useless argument... 19,000 people is not a problem... That's fact!


Its not 19,000 but yeah I dont see a problem, all I said was its not a sellout, his comments regarding Ottawa not being able to support a NHL Franchise was pretty stupid tho.
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0 #84 Sens Saint .... the former #1 fan of Spezzafan19! 2012-03-09 15:04
Agreed, it would be nice to see every home game sold out. But they aren't ... yet. Give it time.
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+1 #85 boom 2012-03-09 15:05
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting Smash_88:
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting Smash_88:

Roll of the goddamn eyes!


Whats so wrong about voicing displeasure, I mean hell, it should have been sold out, but it wasnt. its a bit sad when you cant even sell out when the best team in hockey comes to town?

Dont bash the guy for saying it, its fact.



It's such a useless argument... 19,000 people is not a problem... That's fact!


Its not 19,000 but yeah I dont see a problem, all I said was its not a sellout, his comments regarding Ottawa not being able to support a NHL Franchise was pretty stupid tho.

Ya think?
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+1 #86 Smash_88 2012-03-09 15:06
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting Smash_88:
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting Smash_88:

Roll of the goddamn eyes!


Whats so wrong about voicing displeasure, I mean hell, it should have been sold out, but it wasnt. its a bit sad when you cant even sell out when the best team in hockey comes to town?

Dont bash the guy for saying it, its fact.



It's such a useless argument... 19,000 people is not a problem... That's fact!


Its not 19,000 but yeah I dot see a problem, all I said was its not a sellout, his comments regarding Ottawa not being able to support a NHL Franchise was pretty stupid tho.


I think it was 100 or so short of 19,000...

It's just such a non issue, who cares if it was a sellout or not? Winnipeg has a sellout at 15,000.

Sellouts don't mean anything when put into perspective..
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+2 #87 jakester 2012-03-09 15:09
Has anyone else noticed just how much Mike Keenan loves the SENS game right now. He was asked last night if Ottawa was entrenched in the 7th spot - he said don't worry Ottawa will move up from there. He said they were a team on the move. Have seen him on sportsnet a few times and always says great things about Paul Maclean and the team.
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-1 #88 Sensnation 2012-03-09 15:17
Quoting Floridasensfan:
Quoting Sensnation:
Quoting Floridasensfan:
Quoting Hax:
Quoting Sensnation:

How about Lehner 41, Bishop 41? It's a roll of the dice due to their lack of experience, but there isn't a better prospect tandem in the league to roll those dice with.


Yeah I'd like to go into next year with a proven starter thanks. We have Andy - no need to roll any dice IMO.


Agree 100%
no dice roll please, seen enough dice roll with Leclaire, enough for a lifetime.


Can't compare Leclaire situation to Lehner and Bishop. Completely different in my opinion.


Could not resist, not the same as in Leclaire was not NHL ready or Leclaire did not have skill.
or that Leclaire was not really proven.


Leclaire was highly skilled yet made of glass and beyond injury prone. Leclaire did have skill though, I don't think anyone is denying that. But as you could tell in any non-hockey goalie related activity he was not in what would be considered good shape.

Lehner and Bishop still have tons to prove, but they appear to be a lot more committed towards their health and bodies than Leclaire was. Could they both become busts and not have what it takes for full NHL seasons, absolutely, but highly unlikely. There are 2 of them now, not just 1 Leclaire, the probability of both shitting the bed in that style is pretty darn low.

I'll put it this way, I wouldn't trade Anderson if we only had Lehner and were rolling the dice on just him, but given there are two prime prospects to roll with, the math is a lot more favorable, before I even take into account the skill each possess, which I think is pretty high.
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-6 #89 Joe Bob 2012-03-09 15:23
Playoff predictions:

Ott vs NYR = NYR in 5 or 6 games
Ott vs BOS = BOS in 4 or 5 games
Ott vs Pitts = Pitts in 4 or 5 games
Ott vs Flyers = Ottawa in 7
Ott vs NJ = Ottawa in 6
Ott vs Florida = Ottawa in 5
Ott vs Caps = Ottawa in 7
Ott vs Buff = Ottawa in 7

This is totally based off my gut feel, which has been pretty good on Bodog this year.
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+1 #90 The Apostle 2012-03-09 15:27
Good skills.

I don't think that's far off.

However it bugs me when I praise people on here, so to counteract that I thumbed down your comment.
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0 #91 Hax 2012-03-09 15:29
Quoting Sens Saint:
Hax - I think Melynk would be more than happy to pay $650k if it means he has the insurance of three capable NHL ready goalies.


I hope so and it make sense to me.

Quoting Sensnation:
You'll only accept a goalie with over 100+ games?

Personally I'm higher on skill than experience, but I understand the need to have both. If Bishop plays the rest of this year that's because it proves he's NHL ready, or else Lehner would play more. Not quite sure why you have so much emphasis on the games played. If they're ready and they have the skill they are ready!


It's not just me who would want a "proven" goalie to have a full NHL season under his belt. Of course with all the injured goalies right now, NHL GMs are more desperate.
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0 #92 Joe Bob 2012-03-09 15:33
No doubt Anderson will start in the Playoffs and will be our starter next year.

As for our current situation, I can see both Lehner and Bishop playing equal parts. If Bishop shits the bed next game, expect a start from Lehner the game after. I believe our coaching staff wants to get an equally good look at both of our backups before Andy comes back.
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0 #93 Sensnation 2012-03-09 15:57
Quoting Hax:
Quoting Sens Saint:
Hax - I think Melynk would be more than happy to pay $650k if it means he has the insurance of three capable NHL ready goalies.


I hope so and it make sense to me.

Quoting Sensnation:
You'll only accept a goalie with over 100+ games?

Personally I'm higher on skill than experience, but I understand the need to have both. If Bishop plays the rest of this year that's because it proves he's NHL ready, or else Lehner would play more. Not quite sure why you have so much emphasis on the games played. If they're ready and they have the skill they are ready!


It's not just me who would want a "proven" goalie to have a full NHL season under his belt. Of course with all the injured goalies right now, NHL GMs are more desperate.


Sorry Hax, that was really a question. How many games is enough in your opinion to be "proven"?

Most of the time I'm on the proven over prospect bandwagon, especially in nets, but when I look at guys like Rask and Schneider I get pissed that they're not given more of a shot when they are clearly ready to start. I don't want it to be 2-3 years from now and Lehner still hasn't become the starter just because he has played so few games. I think whoever is better should play, but can respect the other side's view and where it's coming from.
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0 #94 Sandy 2012-03-09 16:18
Remember those 2 guys that did the video last year re: The Sens... well they did another one that the Sens showed on the new scoreboard at a recent game.

Last years:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCLOkXitFZE&feature=endscreen&NR=1


This years: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajz0paAZJ_Y&feature=b-vrec

Enjoy
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0 #95 conor smythe 2012-03-09 16:31
Dear Chirp,

please never quote "Sports Club Stats" ever again. They don't make sense..

If Ottawa is 97% in the playoffs with 14 games left, and they lose one, they should still be 97% in the playoffs. if they win one, they should STILL be 97% in the playoffs.

the fact that the percentage changes every single game just proves that the stats are a lie in the first place.


I prefer to use the tried and tested: "The Ottawa Senators are now only 21pts from clinching a playoff spot"
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+1 #96 SNOOPY SENIOR 2012-03-09 16:40
The ongoing arguments on the attendance at ScotiaBank Place
is a real farce. We are not in Florida, Phoenix, Dallas
and wherever teams are struggling, and almost giving tickets at low-ball prices!

We arte only about 1,000-1,500 from capacity, and still some guys like Uncle Phil says, we do not deserve to have a Franchise??

Being 7th in attendance within 30 teams, tells me we are
doing well in support, and that we have a loyal fan base.
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-1 #97 conor smythe 2012-03-09 16:41
Quoting Tookie19:

its a bit sad when you cant even sell out when the best team in hockey comes to town?


Fans in this city are just over it by now.. the best team in hockey lives here, no need to go see the Sens Every game.
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0 #98 SensChirp 2012-03-09 16:52
Quoting conor smythe:
Dear Chirp,

please never quote "Sports Club Stats" ever again. They don't make sense..

If Ottawa is 97% in the playoffs with 14 games left, and they lose one, they should still be 97% in the playoffs. if they win one, they should STILL be 97% in the playoffs.

the fact that the percentage changes every single game just proves that the stats are a lie in the first place.


I prefer to use the tried and tested: "The Ottawa Senators are now only 21pts from clinching a playoff spot"

?

The percentage is meant to represent their chances at that point in time.
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-3 #99 macdaddy 2012-03-09 16:56
Scotiabank Place is terrible. The building is nice and comfortable but the location makes it bar none the worst sports venue I've ever been to. The only reason every game is not a sell-out is because it's so damn inconvenient to go to a game.
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+1 #100 Paul Faure4 2012-03-09 17:05
Quoting conor smythe:
Dear Chirp,

please never quote "Sports Club Stats" ever again. They don't make sense..

If Ottawa is 97% in the playoffs with 14 games left, and they lose one, they should still be 97% in the playoffs. if they win one, they should STILL be 97% in the playoffs.

the fact that the percentage changes every single game just proves that the stats are a lie in the first place.


I prefer to use the tried and tested: "The Ottawa Senators are now only 21pts from clinching a playoff spot"


Ahhh, no, the chances of making the playoffs should change with each game. Its even more accurate than "21 points left" because it considers winning percentage and the number of games remaining.

The quoted 97% is a snapshot in time. With more history behind you, your accuracy of that percentage goes up.
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0 #101 Hax 2012-03-09 17:07
Quoting Sensnation:
Sorry Hax, that was really a question. How many games is enough in your opinion to be "proven"?

Most of the time I'm on the proven over prospect bandwagon, especially in nets, but when I look at guys like Rask and Schneider I get pissed that they're not given more of a shot when they are clearly ready to start. I don't want it to be 2-3 years from now and Lehner still hasn't become the starter just because he has played so few games. I think whoever is better should play, but can respect the other side's view and where it's coming from.


I'm not saying Bishop and Lehner couldn't do it (if instead of Anderson we were talking about Leclaire for example).

I'm thinking a guy would need to play one full season (or at least 50+ games in one season) as a starter or two full seasons (with plenty of starts) as a backup before I'd consider him "proven".

Rask is a great example:

Even putting aside 09/10 where he was essentially the #1, he's been in 29 games last year and 23 so far this year. Most of those starts (judging by minutes - can't put my hands on better stats at the momement). That (to me) is enough to be considered "proven".
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0 #102 Sensnation 2012-03-09 17:37
Quoting Hax:


I'm not saying Bishop and Lehner couldn't do it (if instead of Anderson we were talking about Leclaire for example).

I'm thinking a guy would need to play one full season (or at least 50+ games in one season) as a starter or two full seasons (with plenty of starts) as a backup before I'd consider him "proven".

Rask is a great example:

Even putting aside 09/10 where he was essentially the #1, he's been in 29 games last year and 23 so far this year. Most of those starts (judging by minutes - can't put my hands on better stats at the momement). That (to me) is enough to be considered "proven".


I can definitely agree with that statement Hax. And I think when we had just Lehner and Anderson, that was going to be the plan with Lehner. Get him ~10 games this year in NHL and tons in AHL, backup next year for about 25+, and then from then on best man gets the job. Without Bishop in the picture I think you and I are very close in our opinion. But with Bishop, I have trouble seeing how someone doesn't get shafted hard.

Even if Bishop and Lehner split the backup duties in the NHL next year and the starting duties in the AHL, alternating throughout the season, I'm not sure I see it as a good situation for either. I'm definitely open to it occurring and being proven wrong, but I think Lehner deserves a more consistent situation next year then he has gotten the last 2 years, and I think he's NHL ready, but yes "unproven" from that perspective.
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0 #103 Hax 2012-03-09 17:43
Quoting Sensnation:

I can definitely agree with that statement Hax. And I think when we had just Lehner and Anderson, that was going to be the plan with Lehner. Get him ~10 games this year in NHL and tons in AHL, backup next year for about 25+, and then from then on best man gets the job. Without Bishop in the picture I think you and I are very close in our opinion. But with Bishop, I have trouble seeing how someone doesn't get shafted hard.

Even if Bishop and Lehner split the backup duties in the NHL next year and the starting duties in the AHL, alternating throughout the season, I'm not sure I see it as a good situation for either. I'm definitely open to it occurring and being proven wrong, but I think Lehner deserves a more consistent situation next year then he has gotten the last 2 years, and I think he's NHL ready, but yes "unproven" from that perspective.


Well I don't know about "shafted" but yeah if all three play great we'll have someone in Bingo that's "the best goalie not in the NHL".
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+1 #104 Senator Stanley 2012-03-09 18:25
If my memory serves me correctly from the press conferences from BM the plan was to have Anderson start for the next couple of seasons letting Lehner develop in the Ahl as the starter. He would be called up as the starter if Anderson got injured.
He brought in Bishop to create competition with Lerhner as his season has been less than stellar in the minors.
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0 #105 Engin 2012-03-09 20:21
Quoting macdaddy:
Scotiabank Place is terrible. The building is nice and comfortable but the location makes it bar none the worst sports venue I've ever been to. The only reason every game is not a sell-out is because it's so damn inconvenient to go to a game.


Hate to break it to you but the Senators have been playing hockey at their current location since 1996. There wasn't any complaints about the location and traffic up when the team was always Stanley Cup favourites from1998-2008. I'm sorry but you fall the under the category of fans who are either too cheap or you don't give a shit about the hockey team.
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0 #106 Sensnation 2012-03-09 20:27
Quoting Hax:
Quoting Sensnation:

I can definitely agree with that statement Hax. And I think when we had just Lehner and Anderson, that was going to be the plan with Lehner. Get him ~10 games this year in NHL and tons in AHL, backup next year for about 25+, and then from then on best man gets the job. Without Bishop in the picture I think you and I are very close in our opinion. But with Bishop, I have trouble seeing how someone doesn't get shafted hard.

Even if Bishop and Lehner split the backup duties in the NHL next year and the starting duties in the AHL, alternating throughout the season, I'm not sure I see it as a good situation for either. I'm definitely open to it occurring and being proven wrong, but I think Lehner deserves a more consistent situation next year then he has gotten the last 2 years, and I think he's NHL ready, but yes "unproven" from that perspective.


Well I don't know about "shafted" but yeah if all three play great we'll have someone in Bingo that's "the best goalie not in the NHL".


If it's Bishop he didn't agree to a 1yr extension to be back in the AHL and if it's Lehner it's just delaying his progression when he's clearly ready to be tested at the next level and his personality requires that challenge.

Anyways, I'd roll the dice that Lehner and Bishop are indeed NHL ready, as I'm 99% certain they are.

Thanks for the discussion and either way I'm looking forward to see what the Sens decide going into the playoffs and into the offseason.
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0 #107 Hax 2012-03-09 22:01
Quoting Engin:
Quoting macdaddy:
Scotiabank Place is terrible. The building is nice and comfortable but the location makes it bar none the worst sports venue I've ever been to. The only reason every game is not a sell-out is because it's so damn inconvenient to go to a game.


Hate to break it to you but the Senators have been playing hockey at their current location since 1996. There wasn't any complaints about the location and traffic up when the team was always Stanley Cup favourites from1998-2008. I'm sorry but you fall the under the category of fans who are either too cheap or you don't give a shit about the hockey team.


While I admire your defending the Sens, there were PLENTY of people complaining about the location before they even moved there from the Civic Center. And the parking, and the traffic. It's not the worst in the NHL but it's pretty painful to get out after a game. Should it prevent a "real fan" from going? No. Especially when taking the bus to nearby Centrum makes getting out easy enough. But even I (a level 5 homer) can't ignore that the location and parking is pretty bad. Doesn't stop me from going of course but if you could drop SBP downtown next to the transitway and within a 10 minute walk of a million public parking lots I guarantee that we'd see a 10% increase in attendance.

Though the stuffed shirts in the Glebe would not put up with that.
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-1 #108 senskarlsson57 2012-03-09 22:36
Quoting Hax:
Quoting Engin:
[quote name="macdaddy"]Scotiabank Place is terrible. The building is nice and comfortable but the location makes it bar none the worst sports venue I've ever been to. The only reason every game is not a sell-out is because it's so damn inconvenient to go to a game.
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While I admire your defending the Sens, there were PLENTY of people complaining about the location before they even moved there from the Civic Center. And the parking, and the traffic. It's not the worst in the NHL but it's pretty painful to get out after a game. Should it prevent a "real fan" from going? No. Especially when taking the bus to nearby Centrum makes getting out easy enough. But even I (a level 5 homer) can't ignore that the location and parking is pretty bad. Doesn't stop me from going of course but if you could drop SBP downtown next to the transitway and within a 10 minute walk of a million public parking lots I guarantee that we'd see a 10% increase in attendance.

Though the stuffed shirts in the Glebe would not put up with that.


Correct me if I'm wrong (someone who is sure), but I believe the senators organization has a plan in place for this summer to make going to and from SBP from downtown Ottawa (and nearby areas) easier. Also, idk if you have ever been near the Bell Centre or other arenas located in cental town,but it is very difficult and expensive to find parking, and after the game the streets are extremely crowded. When I see that it makes me very happy about the location of SBP.

EDIT: actually I found the link
http://senators.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=569819
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0 #109 Hax 2012-03-09 23:22
Quoting senskarlsson57:

Correct me if I'm wrong (someone who is sure), but I believe the senators organization has a plan in place for this summer to make going to and from SBP from downtown Ottawa (and nearby areas) easier. Also, idk if you have ever been near the Bell Centre or other arenas located in cental town,but it is very difficult and expensive to find parking, and after the game the streets are extremely crowded. When I see that it makes me very happy about the location of SBP.

EDIT: actually I found the link
http://senators.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=569819


They have to. The cheaper real estate etc only counters the poor location so much. A ramp directly from the corner of lot 9 onto the 417 would make a big difference.

Speaking of Montreal, the Big O has a metro station in it. During the glory days you could get 60,000 people out of there pretty quick (well, except the suckers who didn't know to park a couple of metro stops away). Most of the larger markets (i.e. with NBA and NHL - plus more concerts to keep the building booked) have downtown locations close to subways and a million places to go before/after the game etc. Ottawa can't quite support that so they have to go out to Kanata.

Part of what's killing the Coyotes is that they moved to Glendale for the cheaper land (and taxes I think). It's an hour away from Scottsdale where there's a lot of snowbirds who went to more games when the arena was there.
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0 #110 Anonymustache 2012-03-10 06:10
I have no issues with the the waiting bit but what I do have an issue with is the unpaved parking lot in front....the team should be embarrassed of that. I got pretty fucked up on Thursday night when I stepped in some mud filled potholes after the snow/rain. Had to drive home to Montreal after that....serious ly how much would it actually cost to pave that? It's just redic!
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0 #111 spezzerman 2012-03-10 09:17
scotiabank place isn't as bad as I once thought, its just that you have to drive. (i park at sensplex and walk the 15-20 minutes which for me is better than waiting 15-20 to get out of the PK lot) Taking the bus is an option but for me, someone who lives in the Moonies Bay area it is 1:15 minutes each way, taking up way too much time on a weeknight. For anyone in Orleans its just not worth it and saying they aren't true fans is an ignorant comment to make.

It's hard to argue though that the sens wouldn't get those last couple thousand to attend the games each night if it was in a central, downtown-ish location.

and being 7th in overall attendance hardly points to a problem with selling seats or a sign of a franchise in trouble.
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+2 #112 Hax 2012-03-10 10:16
Quoting spezzerman:
and being 7th in overall attendance hardly points to a problem with selling seats or a sign of a franchise in trouble.


Quite the opposite - being 7th despite being a small market is actually pretty impressive.
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-1 #113 Canucnik 2012-03-10 10:43
Clearly non of you guys have run up against a one way contract in life or hockey!

"Karl" and "Alfie" tell Bryan Murray, along with a lot of other people, Robin Lehner shall be our Stanley Cup goalie of the future.

"Andy" comes along and is great but is given too long a tenure (4 years). The "Rock Star" is told he needs lots of games in the "A" even though he's a "Calder Cup MVP" but he will be the de facto back up NHL goalie with some? games.

Now we get Ben Bishop, who is told you are coming directly to the "Show" and a ONE WAY Contract for next year.

Lehnerm shuts out Boston in Boston, something no other Ottawa goalie has ever done, loses a couple and is sent back down for at least one, most likely two years to a team in Bingo that is really Elmira,to be shelled every game and told the Company Line: "The kid is not ready!"

Meanwhile the plan for Ben is NOT one year and out!

So I want you guys at training camp next year as we can stand together and watch the Old Boys Club at work...I like our MGMT Team but I think they have made a mistake and are going to lose Lehner...the other teams in the league know how good he is.
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0 #114 Sensnation 2012-03-10 11:08
Quoting Canucnik:
Clearly non of you guys have run up against a one way contract in life or hockey!

"Karl" and "Alfie" tell Bryan Murray, along with a lot of other people, Robin Lehner shall be our Stanley Cup goalie of the future.

"Andy" comes along and is great but is given too long a tenure (4 years). The "Rock Star" is told he needs lots of games in the "A" even though he's a "Calder Cup MVP" but he will be the de facto back up NHL goalie with some? games.

Now we get Ben Bishop, who is told you are coming directly to the "Show" and a ONE WAY Contract for next year.

Lehnerm shuts out Boston in Boston, something no other Ottawa goalie has ever done, loses a couple and is sent back down for at least one, most likely two years to a team in Bingo that is really Elmira,to be shelled every game and told the Company Line: "The kid is not ready!"

Meanwhile the plan for Ben is NOT one year and out!

So I want you guys at training camp next year as we can stand together and watch the Old Boys Club at work...I like our MGMT Team but I think they have made a mistake and are going to lose Lehner...the other teams in the league know how good he is.


I'm a Lehner supporter as well, but there's nothing Lehner can do that would make the Sens lose him. They have complete control over this asset for several years to come.
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0 #115 Spinorama 2012-03-10 11:49
Next year should be Anderson and Bishop 100% agree, but I have the feeling that Lehner will be asking for a trade if he doesn't get NHL playing time (IMO).
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0 #116 Canucnik 2012-03-10 11:55
Sensnation:

There is a chair open for you in the "Old Boys Club" right now.

It's 2012, if it's on the Grape Vine that Lehner got "done wrong" and other NHL Teams are ready to give him a shot, Robin just asks for a trade and quits on us.

Think of Kyle Turris, Nikita Filatov, Heatley, the prodigal child in Russia ,who will be welcomed back by the Preds with open arms. If Robin and his AGENT feel wronged or misled they are out of here.
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