Thursday, 19 January 2012 09:28

Murray Talks Trade Deadline

With the NHL trade deadline looming on the not too distant horizon, and the Ottawa Senators sitting comfortably within the playoff bubble, the discussion among fans had predictably turned toward the NHL Trade Deadline in late February.

In a rebuilding year, the Sens have been a pleasant surprise to this point and could be looking to add a piece for the playoffs. As Bryan Murray suggested, once you get in, anything can happen.

In an interview posted on SensTV, Murray discussed exactly how his plans could change a little bit leading up to the deadline.  One quote that caught my attention came when Murray was asked whether or not he would be looking to make a splash before the deadline.

"I think our depth is ok right now but we may need a substantial piece," replied the Sens GM. 

When prodded further, it sounded like Murray could be looking to add a goal scoring forward.  I certainly don’t expect Murray to overpay and mortgage any of the club’s bright future, but if an impact player became available for the right price, Murray seems willing to pull the trigger.

Something interesting Murray brought up in this interview is the fact that it has to be a move that the players in the locker room believe will make the team better. It sounds like Murray is very cognizant of the great chemistry this group has and will be careful not to rock the boat.

Like any trade discussion and rumours talked about in the last little while, it’s important to note that the club will need some flexibility from the owner before making a move.  Also important to acknowledge the fact that a whole lot can change over the next few weeks and the direction the team takes will have a lot to do with where they sit in the Eastern Conference playoff picture a little closer to the deadline.

The next five games away from Scotiabank Place will be a major challenge for this hockey team and will go a long way to deciding where they may end up at season’s end.

In speaking with a couple people over the past few days, I get the sense that if Murray does make a move pre-deadline, it will be for a guy who can play in the team’s top six.  Also get the sense the club wouldn’t mind adding some depth to the blueline as well.  Don’t be surprised to hear the name of former Senators draft pick, Tim Gleason connected to the Sens at some point.

You can watch the full interview with Bryan Murray here.

Sens are on the ice for their morning skate at 2:30 PM.  We’ll have to wait to find out if either of Mark Borowiecki or Andre Petersson make their debut tonight in San Jose. Game day post coming in a little bit.

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+3 #1 Jonny Mac 2012-01-19 09:33
That interview makes me very nervous, your not getting a impact top 6 forward without giving up a good peice of your future. And Murray's deadline track record isn't the greatest.

Didn't Tim Gleason refuse to play here before?
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+2 #2 SensCherub 2012-01-19 09:40
Quoting Jonny Mac:
That interview makes me very nervous, your not getting a impact top 6 forward without giving up a good peice of your future. And Murray's deadline track record isn't the greatest.

Didn't Tim Gleason refuse to play here before?


No, he was traded before he ever got a shot. Not sure, but I think he was moved to LA for Smolinski?
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0 #3 boom 2012-01-19 09:41
Quoting Jonny Mac:
That interview makes me very nervous, your not getting a impact top 6 forward without giving up a good peice of your future. And Murray's deadline track record isn't the greatest.

Didn't Tim Gleason refuse to play here before?

I'm sure he didn't refuse to play here - they traded him for Smolinski. Gleason would be a great pick-up for Ottawa. He's a good skater - a tough, rock-solid defenceman.
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+1 #4 army 2012-01-19 09:48
I hope Boro draws in for Carkner
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+3 #5 gauts26 2012-01-19 09:49
I think a guy like Vinny Prospal would be great.
He knows the city, the captain, great veteran player that can play it that top six role and in my opinion wouldnt cost that much.
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+4 #6 SensChirp 2012-01-19 09:50
Quoting gauts26:
I think a guy like Vinny Prospal would be great.
He knows the city, the captain, great veteran player that can play it that top six role and in my opinion wouldnt cost that much.

Yep, he does seem like an affordable option. I would think a few teams will be interested in him.
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0 #7 jakester 2012-01-19 10:06
It smells a lot more like Bobby Ryan to me! Sens have DaCosta-(Butler ) and a few longer shots in the minors that can be moved + our first pick!

Sens would have a scary top 6 after that.

And with a third line of Smith-Foligno-N eil we would be very dangerous in the playoffs.

I say do it if we don't have to include any of our picks from last year!
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0 #8 Andrews Theory 2012-01-19 10:08
For the record, I believe I suggested that a 30 second call with the Euge could change the budget a few days ago...

Not sure if Prospal is an upgrade over our current top 6 or how well he'd fit in from a chemistry perspective. He's a quirky player that finds chemistry with some players but not with others.

I'm really starting to like the idea of adding a guy like Bobby Ryan. He'd be costly but he's young and fits into the rebuild plans. Would likely cost us Zibanejad so that's a toughy but theres something to be said for a proven NHL star that is still developing.
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0 #9 Darcy Loewen 2012-01-19 10:10
Unless we get someone really talented to play with Spezza (would cost too much) why bother? Is Vinny Propspal really a big upgrade than our current top 6 wingers? Who would he replace?

I think we should stand idle unless we're talking a top 3 forward. This is of course if we are still in a similar position in 2 or 3 weeks from now. If we do pick up a talented top 3 I would think Butler-Condra- with a defensmaen and high draft pick would be ideal, I would think Greening,Folign o,Smith etc would be utouchable. I've read a few articles about Chris Neil's worth at the deadline if the Sens start sliding. I hope that does NOT happen, he is a very valuble piece to our team, especially come playoff time when it comes down to forchecking and matching up with Shawn Thorton type guys.

I hate the late starts like tonight! Dont they know i work early!!!

Go Sens Go!!!
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0 #10 SensChirp 2012-01-19 10:10
Quoting Andrews Theory:
For the record, I believe I suggested that a 30 second call with the Euge could change the budget a few days ago...


Addressed this comment in the last thread.
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+1 #11 gauts26 2012-01-19 10:12
Quoting Darcy Loewen:
Unless we get someone really talented to play with Spezza (would cost too much) why bother? Is Vinny Propspal really a big upgrade than our current top 6 wingers? Who would he replace?

I think we should stand idle unless we're talking a top 3 forward. This is of course if we are still in a similar position in 2 or 3 weeks from now. If we do pick up a talented top 3 I would think Butler-Condra- with a defensmaen and high draft pick would be ideal, I would think Greening,Foligno,Smith etc would be utouchable. I've read a few articles about Chris Neil's worth at the deadline if the Sens start sliding. I hope that does NOT happen, he is a very valuble piece to our team, especially come playoff time when it comes down to forchecking and matching up with Shawn Thorton type guys.

I hate the late starts like tonight! Dont they know i work early!!!

Go Sens Go!!!


Prospal would look great with Alfie and Turris, much better option than Condra IMO.
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+1 #12 Dorkiewicz 2012-01-19 10:19
Consider me on the Prospal train. He'd look oddly familiar in a new Sens jersey. He'd find chemistry with a couple of forwards and we'd have a more legitimate top 6 without selling off picks/prospects for a star.

Having said that, I wouldn't mind our 1st round pick being available this year if and only if we are in a relatively high position in the standings and we are getting a young player in return. Wouldn't want to part with a Prince, Noeson or Zibanejad though. Most players I'm willing to part with don't really have much trade value...
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+3 #13 SensChirp 2012-01-19 10:20
PSBJoyOnTheSens Joy Lindsay
#BSens are on the ice for practice at the BCVMA. In a nice surprise, Patrick Wiercioch is out there. #Sens

Great news!
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0 #14 Jester 2012-01-19 10:20
Significant!
This is the word that gets me, Prospal, Whitney, Smyth don't strike me as such!

Would love to have Gleason back in the fold Very strong very solid D. He could take allot of pressure off of phillips and the other D.

Can we finally put to rest the Smyth talk? This guy traded himself to the oilers! the oil faithfull would have shit fits after all he has done for the city and fanbase. To still be loyal to the club after being traded, something he clearly did not want! Do you really think the Fans or Katz would allow it? He came back to retire an oiler Nuff said!
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+4 #15 boom 2012-01-19 10:22
I have to disagree with the talk about Prospal. He's 36, and would only be a rental. These have never worked out for Ottawa.
I think the only way they make a deal for a forward is if an opportunity comes up that they can't refuse, such as Ryan. Ottawa has lots of guys they hope will be top six, but Ryan already is top six, and he's still young...Prospal is not.
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0 #16 Jester 2012-01-19 10:24
That's Awesome news out of Bingo chirp, I heard some rumblings it could have been a career ender, let alone a Life threatening incident. Happy to see Wiercioch feeling better
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0 #17 taxman 2012-01-19 10:34
As far as prospects go, I'm fine with anyone being moved, except for Z-bad, Stone, or Borowiecki. As long as the piece coming back is a bona fide top 6 (i.e. Ryan or someone of that ilk). Not a huge fan of Prospal myself. Comes across as another one of those players who could really care less, and plays when he feels like it.
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0 #18 ShaunK 2012-01-19 10:36
I dont want Murray to make a deal for a Ruutu or Prospal if it's going to cost us a good pick. We've already lost our 2nd rounder this year in a very deep draft, so please not our 1st. PLEASE MURRAY DONT DO IT
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0 #19 IcySurfas 2012-01-19 10:39
Asked this question on the last article because several people were talking about this guy.

Who the hell is Brad Boyce??

Were you folks talking about Brad Boyes? 3 goals for Buffalo in 33 games this year. Am I missing something here...
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+5 #20 CohMa 2012-01-19 10:44
Quoting ShaunK:
I dont want Murray to make a deal for a Ruutu or Prospal if it's going to cost us a good pick. We've already lost our 2nd rounder this year in a very deep draft, so please not our 1st. PLEASE MURRAY DONT DO IT


I think the only way Murray would move the 1st is if the player they got was not a rental. A young bonafide high end player, that could be part of the new core going forward(a la Turris).
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+2 #21 childerhose 2012-01-19 10:52
Murray would be a fool if he traded for someone like Prospal. Even though he's having a good enough season he's still 36 years old and we'd have to give up a pick/prospect to get him, which goes against the rebuild mentality.
Although trading for Ryan would have a high asking price, something I don't necessarily agree with it still fits with the rebuild and would make us a better team for quite sometime.
I see this team like Colorado in 09-10, as far as overachieving what was expected of them. They need to stick with the rebuild and realize that their serious cup run(s) are going to come starting next year and onwards.
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+2 #22 IcySurfas 2012-01-19 10:54
I was actually randomly checking out Gleason's stats last week after checking out who the upcoming UFA D-men were this summer. Didn't realize before hand that he was a former Sens draft pick.

The guy definately brings a tough package. Wouldn't expect much offensively out of him, but thats not why anyone would target him. A guy like Gleason is a younger slightly more mobile version of Philips.

Wouldn't be the worst thing to have around though especially if guys like Kuba or Gonchar are banged up by seasons end.
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-2 #23 jakester 2012-01-19 11:04
As long as you don't include Zibby-Stone-Noe sen-Puempel-Pri nce and Silfverburg I'm OK. Pageau can be dangled maybe. Small talented Center. We have the pieces to get Ryan. Much more than the Laughs + he will be with a winner - Great Organization who treats its players RIGHT!
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0 #24 Dorkiewicz 2012-01-19 11:04
It looks like the only suggestion here for an impact player that's still young is Ryan. Anyone else?
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0 #25 IcySurfas 2012-01-19 11:05
I noticed in the Leafs game as it went on, that Butler had moved up to the top line with Greening and Spezza, while Michalek moved down to Turris line and Condra played on the 4th in place of Butler's spot.

I wonder if MacLean went with those combos to counter the Leafs that night (something he saw..) or if this is an indication of him trying out Butler on that top line with Spez. Despite how they match up at practise, will be interesting to see what Mac does as the game goes on with San Jose, pending how the lines are producing.

We've stuggled against San Jose for sometime now haven't we? Although how much of a bar can your really set for a team you play once I year.
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+2 #26 Spinorama 2012-01-19 11:06
Alright, I can't keep reading this and not express my opinion. I don't understand this "keep our first rounder" talk that someone expressed above. We have 7 legitimate Top 6 forwards in our organization right now. Is the Euge buying a second Ottawa franchise that I am not aware of in a few years ?? The Ottawa Politicians ?

We can afford to give up Noesen or Puempel AND our 2012 1st rounder AND a roster guy for the likes of Bobby Ryan and we would be stupid not too look into this. It wouldn't hurt our "rebuild" one bit. With the play of Greening, Spezza, Michalek, Turris we don't have many forward spots available to kep these kids hungry to make it.

Gleason in Ottawa would be great. Tough as nails and very mobile for his size.
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-1 #27 Mr Hockey 2012-01-19 11:07
Alot of people seem to be against trading for a rental player because it would be against the rebuild. In my opinion it wouldn't take much to get a half decent player. Last year the sens traded ruutu for a six and Kovalev for a 7th. Realistically I think as long as we keep our first we're good.
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-5 #28 Dirk Diggler 2012-01-19 11:19
To Anaheim
- Zibinajad
- Stone
- 1st 2012
- 2nd 2013

To Ottawa
- Ryan
- Etem
- 2012 2nd
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0 #29 IcySurfas 2012-01-19 11:19
I don't really get the Ryan talk. I think we should all accept that "IF" Bobby Ryan is plucked out of Anaheim (a big "IF" IMO), that it will be a considerable overpayment to whoever gets him. Anaheim is dealing in a position of strength in that lots of teams would like to add a guy like Ryan. I personally would not want to see Murray attempt to put together a package that would realistically beat out other shoppers of Ryan. Forget about putting together spare parts and whatnot...none of that will cut if for Ryan. :The-Real-deal" type of roster players, picks, and Prospects are pieces that would be required by any team to tempt the Ducks to sign the dotted line. As good as Ryan has been in his young career, I'll keep all those pieces instead of overpaying them all in a package to get one guy.

P.s. I have a feeling that if TO goes hard for Ryan, that the whole league will end up laughing at them once we all see the package they send back to the ducks. Don't dissapoint me Burke...I always enjoy a laugh at your expense.
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-2 #30 Ronnie 2012-01-19 11:20
I said this in a another forum...

Pretty much 3 players i see that could be worth it

-Semin
-Parise
-Ryan

asking price for Ryan would be high something like 1st rounder zibby and greening (not exactly that but are 1st rounder a good prospect and a roster player)

has for semin and parise

its a risk cause there contract are done this year soo if we trade for them and they decide not too resign with us were in the big hole

Semin would be fairly cheap i heard that captials wanted gonchar plus are 1st rounder for semin and there 1st rounder not colorado pick there pick. Some around there

Has for parise that would be the most risk to paiment i can see cause his will be expensive AND we dont even know if he would resign with ottawa.

im sure for parise would be 1st rounder and a prospect and a player something like this (1st rounder pumpel or noesen condra something like that) not exactly that but around there
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0 #31 C 2012-01-19 11:22
If Butler/Greening /Condra keep getting better this year, don't trade for anyone. Keep it the way it is and let all of them get priceless playoff experience this year that will help continue the hope for a cup run in the coming years
that said, I think Ryan would look awesome in a Sens jersey
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0 #32 Spezzafan19 2012-01-19 11:22
Someone early mentioned that Murray would move the Senators 1st round draft pick if the right piece came along someone who is young and can fit into the core I don't want that!

Just wondering if Murray offered up a 1st and Butler and something else and something else for Rick Nash would any of you do that Nash is still young and could be a core player on the Senators for many years?

Personally I would not want too see Murray give anything up for Nash or anybody just stay the course Murray!
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+1 #33 The Apostle 2012-01-19 11:23
I could understand the keep our first pick talk if our first pick was likely to be top 5 or even top 10 - but if we are in in a position to make a trade for a play off run then that obviously isn't the case.

I'd be fine with giving up a 1st if it was in the 20-25 range - i know good players can be found there so the pick would have to be part of a package for an already semi-establishe d NHL player who could help us beyond this season and next. We don't give up our first for a rental.

I agree with spin, the price for Ryan would be at least something like our 1st, noesen/pumpel/s ilfverburg and another significant(ish ) roster player - at the very least Murray will look at that as he should.
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0 #34 worsteverything 2012-01-19 11:25
Prospal would look great with Alfie and Turris, much better option than Condra IMO.

Yeah, I too think the Sens should trade their forward with the highest plus/minus and who is an effective penalty killer for a guy whos 11 years older and makes more. I think would look good on a line with FAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAART.
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0 #35 jakester 2012-01-19 11:25
DaCosta+Butler+ our first pick for Ryan

There you go we still have Stone and Zibby - no harm done people.
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0 #36 oakster15 2012-01-19 11:26
Quoting Ronnie:
I said this in a another forum...

Pretty much 3 players i see that could be worth it

-Semin
-Parise
-Ryan

asking price for Ryan would be high something like 1st rounder zibby and greening (not exactly that but are 1st rounder a good prospect and a roster player)

has for semin and parise

its a risk cause there contract are done this year soo if we trade for them and they decide not too resign with us were in the big hole

Semin would be fairly cheap i heard that captials wanted gonchar plus are 1st rounder for semin and there 1st rounder not colorado pick there pick. Some around there

Has for parise that would be the most risk to paiment i can see cause his will be expensive AND we dont even know if he would resign with ottawa.

im sure for parise would be 1st rounder and a prospect and a player something like this (1st rounder pumpel or noesen condra something like that) not exactly that but around there


NO to semin. guy has skills but is really streaky and I've never been a huge fan of him.

Ryan and Parise absolutely though. two guys that can vault us forward in our rebuild because of their development, skill, and young age.

Both would take more than puempel or neosen though. To get Parise or Ryan it would take Zbad and a 1st i'm thinking. Look what it took to get Kyle Turris. Turris has been great for us, but wasn't proven at all in phoenix. Ryan and Parise have proven their worth and would draw more than puempel or noesen I'm thinking.
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0 #37 Ronnie 2012-01-19 11:27
someone talk about rick nash!! lol

prabobly comlumbus would only move him if gave 2 fisrt rounders a prospect

even there this can be a under paiment
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+2 #38 IcySurfas 2012-01-19 11:27
Interesting comment from Brian Murray on Wednesday after the Sens and Leafs game:

“Going into the third period (against the Leafs), I knew we were going to win,” GM Bryan Murray said Wednesday. “I shouldn’t say it that way, but I just felt, okay we’re back now. We weren’t very good early, but we'll find a way to win in the third period, and we found a way to win.

“To me that tells the story of what this group is about.”
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0 #39 The Apostle 2012-01-19 11:28
giving up our first for somebody who is young and fits in with our core is exactly what we should do because that is exactly what you draft.

The debate comes when you start throwing names around and what you need to add to our first to get that player.

Obviously our 1st for a player like Nash or Ryan is a no-brainer and because it's a no-brainer it will never happen. It's much more likely that to get a Nash or a Ryan we would have to give our first, a recent first rnd pick and somebody like Michalek or Foligno.

You also have to look at the cap ramifications for who we want to bring in. Yes we would want somebody who will be here after this season, but do we necessarily want somebody who has a 7 year 7mill contract or something like that.
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+3 #40 oakster15 2012-01-19 11:28
Quoting jakester:
DaCosta+Butler+our first pick for Ryan

There you go we still have Stone and Zibby - no harm done people.


Would be great but would you take that if your Anaheim? I don't know about you but I wouldn't its far too little.
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-7 #41 jakester 2012-01-19 11:29
Nash I find to be extremely lazy and over rated.
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-1 #42 Ronnie 2012-01-19 11:32
Both would take more than puempel or neosen though. To get Parise or Ryan it would take Zbad and a 1st i'm thinking. Look what it took to get Kyle Turris. Turris has been great for us, but wasn't proven at all in phoenix. Ryan and Parise have proven their worth and would draw more than puempel or noesen I'm thinking.


i didnt say just puempel or noesen

i said for ryan would be like this


Anaheim

1st rounder
Zibby
Greening

Ottawa

Bobby Ryan

I find this fair but not a overpaiment so you can see even more player or pick add to get ryan


has for parise just the fact that his contract done after this year is a risk written all over it

New Jersey
-1st rounder
-Noesen
-condra or butler

Ottawa
-Parise
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+2 #43 The Apostle 2012-01-19 11:32
I still find it funny that when we talk about drafts we occasionally get a deal which packages a lot of our crap and gets a star back.

Think about what it would take from Anaheim to get Karlsson or Cowen out of Ottawa in a trade. That's the sort of thing we would need to offer to get Ryan. Ryan is only 24.

EDIT: I think the proposal of Zibby/Greening and the 1st is getting close.
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+2 #44 Ronnie 2012-01-19 11:35
Quoting oakster15:
Quoting jakester:
DaCosta+Butler+our first pick for Ryan

There you go we still have Stone and Zibby - no harm done people.


Would be great but would you take that if your Anaheim? I don't know about you but I wouldn't its far too little.


nope not enought butler and dacosta doesnt have that much value they want a good prospect that for sure
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0 #45 Andrews Theory 2012-01-19 11:43
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting Andrews Theory:
For the record, I believe I suggested that a 30 second call with the Euge could change the budget a few days ago...


Addressed this comment in the last thread.


lol

my bad...posted using a playbook and it didn't look as though it actually posted.
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-2 #46 Blitz_18 2012-01-19 11:43
Ok people, I know this is a sick blog but come on
Let's all be real with ourselves
Bryan Murray is NOT gonna trade for either Nash or Ryan.
They will cost way to much in terms of prospects
We all know Murray is not willing to do so
The only thing I can see Murray doing is going after Parise and/or Suter in the off season
Our chemistry right now is lights out.... And you heard him say that the players will have a say in the trade as will Big Mac
Murray will go after a rental type that will not cost much ie. Prospal
We have cap space to maneouver in the off season with kuba coming off our books
I see karlsson getting something like 8yr 48mill
This will leave us room to sign a Suter or a Parise or both with the expectance of Alfie coming off the books after next season
Let's be realistic
This is all gold for us right now
This season is a big time bonus for our younger guys getting more experience.
Stay the course!!!
Go Sens Go!
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0 #47 jakester 2012-01-19 11:49
I think DaCosta is going to be one heck of a player + Butler might be able to do a lot of what Ryan was doing - he can snipe. I don't like giving Zibby. If you have to add slip pageau or Puempel into my first offer.

DaCosta
Butler
Pageau+pick
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+2 #48 boom 2012-01-19 12:01
Blitz_18,
"Ok people, I know this is a sick blog but come on
Let's all be real with ourselves
Bryan Murray is NOT gonna trade for either Nash or Ryan.
They will cost way to much in terms of prospects
We all know Murray is not willing to do so"
???
I wouldn't be so smug - Rundblad is a prospect (that they thought highly of) amd they were willing to give him up. It all depends on who is coming back. If it's youth for youth, Murray has shown that he's willing to deal..
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0 #49 Canucnik 2012-01-19 12:04
Bryan Murray was not talking to us...he was talking to the 29 GMs...they know what he can and cannot do!

Our job is to find a player (a Name Player) that will stick in Eugene's mind and that will drive him (the big fan part of him) to command his GM into ACTION!

Note: It would be nice if he thinks it's his idea.

So for once let's not be so critical...find someone, make a suggestion.
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+4 #50 Tookie 2012-01-19 12:06
Quoting boom:
I have to disagree with the talk about Prospal. He's 36, and would only be a rental. These have never worked out for Ottawa.
I think the only way they make a deal for a forward is if an opportunity comes up that they can't refuse, such as Ryan. Ottawa has lots of guys they hope will be top six, but Ryan already is top six, and he's still young...Prospal is not.


Completely agree with this, why the hell go after a rental like Prospal when you can get a superstar top 3 in Ryan for 5mil, thats cheap and works in our re-tool!

Im sorry but if you dont think Zibanejad or Da Costa are not worth Ryan, your sniffing some very good cocaine!
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+1 #51 hq8 2012-01-19 12:10
wow...does anyone even bother to look at the makeup of boston's lineup that won the cup last year before making suggestions of trading first rounders?

1. Boston, thanks to our amazing friends in toronto was sitting on two first rounders, one their own, and one toronto's (which was the higher one).
2. they traded their own first rounder back to toronto for kaberle and sent a secound rounder and joe colborne along the way.
3. other than that, boston grabbed chris kelly off of ottawa.
4. as far as top six goes, boston had guys like krejci, bergeron, marchand, lucic and horton filling duty. no offense, but none of those guys sound like michalek-spezza -ryan. yet they won the cup.

now boston at the deadline was either in the division lead or second to mtl, but they were close. The only difference to me is that they had Thomas and Chara. I think the rest of the team makeup is very similar with the possible exception of Karlsson on the sens this year.

so i'm just comparing, based on the assumption that the sens hold course and make the playoffs, if BOS being eventual cup winners did not need a top six winger at the deadline while also scoring at a clip of 2.98 GPG, then why do the sens scoring at 3 GPG need to trade their picks and grab a top six guy whether its a stud or a rental??

sens need to shore up their D, because Kuba is a 50-50 decision after this season. Gonchar is getting older and with his liabilities cannot be paired with Karlsson 5-on-5. We traded Rundblad, only have Wiercioch and Gryba in the system as anything significant, BoroCop is an unknown at this point. Lee can take over, but we dont know yet, and Phillips is sliding on the chart and is only their for vet. leadership. and then they also need to shore up the Goaltending reserves.

THEREFORE, please, stop talking about Ryan/Nash/Perry . Sens would only shoot themselves in the foor if they trade their pick and more for any of those.
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0 #52 hq8 2012-01-19 12:19
so, lets compare some more:
Ott has 5 scorers with 10+ goals. with two of them being 20+
Bos has 7 players with 10 or more goals but none with 20+.

Bos current scoring pace is 3.54 GPG, Ott is at 3.00 GPG. Thats top 10 in the league.

the top point getter in Boston is Seguin with 40 pts.
Lets compare with Ott: Spezza with 48 pts and Karlsson with 44, honorable mention to the captain with 35 in 42 games.

so...i mean with all that talent coming up in Silfverberg and Zibanejad next year, then Noesen, Peumpel to follow, then Turris panning out on the team right now, Spezza already there, Michalek already there. Butler and Da Costa may still pan out. Foligno and Zack Smith seem to be hitting the stride. Greening is decent too.

WHY THE HELL DO WE NEED RYAN NOW WHEN WE WILL HAVE PLAYERS THAT WILL ADD UP TO MORE THAN ATLEAST TWO RYANS IN JUST TWO YEARS???????
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0 #53 EH_Matt 2012-01-19 12:29
Quoting Jonny Mac:
That interview makes me very nervous, your not getting a impact top 6 forward without giving up a good peice of your future. And Murray's deadline track record isn't the greatest.

Didn't Tim Gleason refuse to play here before?

I think you're thinking of Paul Mara. He wound up going to New York because he refused to play in Ottawa.
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-2 #54 St Nick 2012-01-19 12:33
To Annahiem: 2012 1st rd pick, Silfverberg & Buter
To Ottawa: Bobby Ryan

- Silfverberg is a solid two way forward who is NHL ready, can play all three forward positions & is one of the best players in the world not playing in the NHL.
- if Butler can return to form he can be a sniper in the NHL, he has been getting close lately with plenty of chances & hitting a few posts.
- Ann could use another 1st rd pick likely from 15th to 25th & if they pick a centre (Gaunce)that would be one good line.
Silfverberg - Gaunce - Butler
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0 #55 Tookie 2012-01-19 12:34
Quoting hq8:
4. as far as top six goes, boston had guys like krejci, bergeron, marchand, lucic and horton filling duty. no offense, but none of those guys sound like michalek-spezza-ryan. yet they won the cup.


Dont know what else you want of your team when 4 of those 5 players had 20+ goals and the 5th had 62 pts. Thats a great top 5!!

Also you forgot to mention that Thomas had the best stats EVER in the history of the NHL playoffs. Anderson is no where near that level.
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0 #56 DenisVial 2012-01-19 12:36
I think part of The Euge and Murray's thought process around acquiring a player of Ryan's calibre is to convince Alfie that they are serious about making a run next year. Alfie may be persuaded to come back next year if he thinks we are legitimate contenders. I'm game with making a run at Bibby Ryan due to his age and contract status, but there is no way we should trade any high picks or legit prospects for a rental player. If they really want Parise or Suter, wait until July 1 and make them an offer.
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-8 #57 Dirk Diggler 2012-01-19 12:40
How about

Michalek
Stone
2013 2nd

for

Ryan

MM9 is having his best year and Stone's value is at a all time high.
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-1 #58 hq8 2012-01-19 12:43
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting hq8:
4. as far as top six goes, boston had guys like krejci, bergeron, marchand, lucic and horton filling duty. no offense, but none of those guys sound like michalek-spezza-ryan. yet they won the cup.


Dont know what else you want of your team when 4 of those 5 players had 20+ goals and the 5th had 62 pts
. Thats a great top 5!!

also you forgot to mention that Thomas had the best season statistically EVER in the history of the NHL an followed that up with an even better playoffs. Anderson is no where near that level.


thats my point. that their top six was more of a socring by committee top six than getting singularly star players like Ryan. Lets face if, out of all those guys, only Horton can be expected to pot 30 goal seasons consistently. lucic and krejci topped out at 62 pts in 79 and 75 games. we already have spezza, alfie and michalek on pace for similar #s. add in turris' pro-rated production along with secondary contributions from guys like foligno, smith, condra and greening PLUS Karlsson because he doubles as a top six forward.

sens need is in the back end, its still not shored up the way it should be. I think the sens have more than enough pieces up front, pieces that are playing right now and doing the job well and pieces that are either in the system or injured and can do the job decently too. and yea another decent goalie would help too.

Bryan Murray is in a gifted position and so are sens fans. It would be absolutely stupid to look at this as an opportunity to gain one star player while giving up the chance to have more STAR PLAYERS. Sens did the splashy trade for Turris, time to buckle up, play it safe, hoard the picks and the prospects and let this magical group do its job. just give them a better backup than auld in net. please and thank you.
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0 #59 Tookie 2012-01-19 12:43
Quoting DenisVial:
I think part of The Euge and Murray's thought process around acquiring a player of Ryan's calibre is to convince Alfie that they are serious about making a run next year. Alfie may be persuaded to come back next year if he thinks we are legitimate contenders. I'm game with making a run at Bibby Ryan due to his age and contract status, but there is no way we should trade any high picks or legit prospects for a rental player. If they really want Parise or Suter, wait until July 1 and make them an offer.


Agreed, Ryan isnt a rental, he's signed till 2015-16 at 5.1Mil a year, that is a frigging STEAL!

Im not sure what it would take but we can afford whatever they want, wether its a top prospect (we have many) and a pick (would be between 18-25) we could affors sending it to them.

I'm pretty sure Murray is looking real hard at this, a 24 year old stud who could replace Greening on the top line, no brainer!
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0 #60 hq8 2012-01-19 12:45
Quoting riceroni:
How about

Michalek
Stone
2013 2nd

for

Ryan

MM9 is having his best year and Stone's value is at a all time high.



there you go, i was missing stone in my assessments. one more to add to the string of upcoming prospects.

sens need to just stand pat and relax and let other teams make the stupid trades. Pick a strong guy in the draft, try to grab one of the top rated prospects this year. its a DEEP DEEP DRAFT.
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+1 #61 Hook 2012-01-19 12:48
the only thing I don't like about giving up players like Zibby and 1st round picks for Ryan is that he's a UFA in 3 seasons, if we could get him for longer term it'd make more sense. But who's to say that he'll re-sign when his contracts up??? I hope that Murray and the Euge are thinking this way...3 seasons is not a long time
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+2 #62 DenisVial 2012-01-19 12:48
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting DenisVial:
I think part of The Euge and Murray's thought process around acquiring a player of Ryan's calibre is to convince Alfie that they are serious about making a run next year. Alfie may be persuaded to come back next year if he thinks we are legitimate contenders. I'm game with making a run at Bibby Ryan due to his age and contract status, but there is no way we should trade any high picks or legit prospects for a rental player. If they really want Parise or Suter, wait until July 1 and make them an offer.


Agreed, Ryan isnt a rental, he's signed till 2015-16 at 5.1Mil a year, that is a frigging STEAL!

Im not sure what it would take but we can afford whatever they want, wether its a top prospect (we have many) and a pick (would be between 18-25) we could affors sending it to them.

I'm pretty sure Murray is looking real hard at this, a 24 year old stud who could replace Greening on the top line, no brainer!


And landing a guy like Ryan, while still having Alfie, Spezza, Michalek, Karlson, Cowen and Turris could go a long way to convincing someone like Suter to sign in Ottawa as we have the cap space and a legit chance at winning it all.
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+4 #63 SensCherub 2012-01-19 12:49
Quoting jakester:
I think DaCosta is going to be one heck of a player + Butler might be able to do a lot of what Ryan was doing - he can snipe. I don't like giving Zibby. If you have to add slip pageau or Puempel into my first offer.

DaCosta
Butler
Pageau+pick


That is just ridiculous. Are you even paying attention to what you're writing? Basically you're saying "Here Ducks, take our AHL-caliber 2nd line, and in return please give us your amazing young, 4-time 30 goal scorer first line forward. Thank you come again."

Don't throw out names of prospects you don't care about just because you don't want to lose someone of value (and no, Da Costa nor Butler nor Pageau are going to be the centrepiece of any deal for anyone of consequence now or in the forseeable future).

If we want Ryan, it will cost us a 1st, likely a combo of Zibby/Silfverbu rg/Puemple/Noes on/Stone, roster player in the mould of Foligno or Zack Smith, and then maybe one of your B-rated prospects.

You have to keep in mind that if Ryan is available, the Ducks will advertise to create a bidding war. The price will be hella steep. Think man, think.
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0 #64 Tookie 2012-01-19 12:52
Quoting hq8:

thats my point. that their top six was more of a socring by committee top six than getting singularly star players like Ryan. Lets face if, out of all those guys, only Horton can be expected to pot 30 goal seasons consistently. lucic and krejci topped out at 62 pts in 79 and 75 games. we already have spezza, alfie and michalek on pace for similar #s. add in turris' pro-rated production along with secondary contributions from guys like foligno, smith, condra and greening PLUS Karlsson because he doubles as a top six forward.


You fail to acknowledge that out of our top 6 only 3 guys would be hitting 20+ (Michalek, Spezza, Alfie) they had 4 20+ and thats not even adding what Krejci brough to the top line.

Guys like Smith, Foligno, Condra, Greening, usually dont hit 20+, only Smith who plays 3rd line C is on pce for 20+. He is playing out of this world...

Boston was a much better TEAM than we are today, overall and thats why they didnt have to do much.
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+1 #65 Tookie 2012-01-19 12:54
Quoting Hook:
the only thing I don't like about giving up players like Zibby and 1st round picks for Ryan is that he's a UFA in 3 seasons, if we could get him for longer term it'd make more sense. But who's to say that he'll re-sign when his contracts up??? I hope that Murray and the Euge are thinking this way...3 seasons is not a long time


Long enough to re-sign him to an extension, with the way this team is going, do you really think he wouldnt want to stay if we were a contending team full of young guys???
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-1 #66 hq8 2012-01-19 12:56
Quoting SensCherub:
Quoting jakester:
I think DaCosta is going to be one heck of a player + Butler might be able to do a lot of what Ryan was doing - he can snipe. I don't like giving Zibby. If you have to add slip pageau or Puempel into my first offer.

DaCosta
Butler
Pageau+pick


That is just ridiculous. Are you even paying attention to what you're writing? Basically you're saying "Here Ducks, take our AHL-caliber 2nd line, and in return please give us your amazing young, 4-time 30 goal scorer first line forward. Thank you come again."

Don't throw out names of prospects you don't care about just because you don't want to lose someone of value (and no, Da Costa nor Butler nor Pageau are going to be the centrepiece of any deal for anyone of consequence now or in the forseeable future).

If we want Ryan, it will cost us a 1st, likely a combo of Zibby/Silfverburg/Puemple/Noeson/Stone, roster player in the mould of Foligno or Zack Smith, and then maybe one of your B-rated prospects.

You have to keep in mind that if Ryan is available, the Ducks will advertise to create a bidding war. The price will be hella steep. Think man, think.


and therefore it is utter stupidity and folly on the part of the sens organization to even think of such a trade. teams who hoard their picks and especially their best picks win cups. Teams who try to keep getting one star piece after the other don't. And Ottawa should know this better than any other team after letting guys like Hossa and Havlat go away.
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+2 #67 RUSHRLZ 2012-01-19 12:57
Please god no Nash in Ottawa. He is one of the most overrated players in the league IMO, Phaneuf notwithstanding.

As Chirp said, PLENTY can happen in the next 2-3 weeks, once we see what pans out we should have a clearer indication of what if anything we should do roster-wise and how big a move that might be.

If it makes sense in a couple weeks and we can target a fantastic top-6 forward that will be part of our road map for at least two more seasons after this and can help fill in for Alfie's production when he retires? That could be very interesting depending what the deal is... Bobby Ryan is an interesting notion, not only would he be an amazing addition but MAN-O-MAN Burke would be so angry he'd probably be hospitalized.

Short term rentals, blowing futures for someone not in the plan? God forbid Jason Blake or someone *puke* would probably be a poor idea.

Outside of a better backup if Auld is still struggling mightily a couple weeks down the road, we should either stay pat for the most part, or do something big with the future in mind - nothing half assed. We'll see how healthy and how well the team is playing over this next stretch and then see I suppose.

Too bad the game is on so late tonight....

Blue team elimination watch!

GO SENS!
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0 #68 Hook 2012-01-19 13:00
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting Hook:
the only thing I don't like about giving up players like Zibby and 1st round picks for Ryan is that he's a UFA in 3 seasons, if we could get him for longer term it'd make more sense. But who's to say that he'll re-sign when his contracts up??? I hope that Murray and the Euge are thinking this way...3 seasons is not a long time




Long enough to re-sign him to an extension, with the way this team is going, do you really think he wouldnt want to stay if we were a contending team full of young guys???


just really risky, if he was an RFA, then it's a no-brainer...bu t the freedom of UFA's and bidding wars make people do funny things
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+1 #69 CohMa 2012-01-19 13:02
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting Hook:
the only thing I don't like about giving up players like Zibby and 1st round picks for Ryan is that he's a UFA in 3 seasons, if we could get him for longer term it'd make more sense. But who's to say that he'll re-sign when his contracts up??? I hope that Murray and the Euge are thinking this way...3 seasons is not a long time


Long enough to re-sign him to an extension, with the way this team is going, do you really think he wouldnt want to stay if we were a contending team full of young guys???


Agreed. Not to mention that although Zibby might turn out to be a great player (which I think he will be and I don't want to trade him) and the 1st round pick may or may not turn out to be something, Bobby Ryan is a proven 30+ goal, NHL player. Both sides would be taking somewhat of a risk.
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0 #70 hq8 2012-01-19 13:05
Quoting Tookie19:
Quoting hq8:

thats my point. that their top six was more of a socring by committee top six than getting singularly star players like Ryan. Lets face if, out of all those guys, only Horton can be expected to pot 30 goal seasons consistently. lucic and krejci topped out at 62 pts in 79 and 75 games. we already have spezza, alfie and michalek on pace for similar #s. add in turris' pro-rated production along with secondary contributions from guys like foligno, smith, condra and greening PLUS Karlsson because he doubles as a top six forward.


You fail to acknowledge that out of our top 6 only 3 guys would be hitting 20+ (Michalek, Spezza, Alfie) they had 4 20+ and thats not even adding what Krejci brough to the top line.

Guys like Smith, Foligno, Condra, Greening, usually dont hit 20+, only Smith who plays 3rd line C is on pce for 20+. He is playing out of this world...

Boston was a much better TEAM than we are today, overall and thats why they didnt have to do much.



agreed and I am not denying any of that. but how can you say that guys like Foligno and Smith don't usually hit 20. they may have no hit uptil now, but whats there to say for sure that Foligno and Smith don't hit 20 next year too? and thats just going sideways into backing up the argument to stand pat.

based alone on ottawa's serious depth in the system for forwards, the case to trade for one top 6 guy does not have much traction IMHO. Ottawa needs to rack up on defense and goaltending the same sort of depth it has in forwards. And that will go a long long way to ensure leak-tight winning performances every yr.

look at it this way: what if anderson fizzles next year? what if lehner does not pan out....what if the defense crumbles next year outside of Karlsson and Cowen? up front there is layers of forwards to try, but on the back end, not so much.
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-1 #71 Tookie 2012-01-19 13:06
Quoting hq8:
And Ottawa should know this better than any other team after letting guys like Hossa and Havlat go away.


Hossa had to join fully stacked teams in order to win it and did not contribute that much in the winning year.

Havlat? what has he done since leaving, apart from getting injured...
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+2 #72 NorCal SensFan 2012-01-19 13:07
I'll be at the game in person tonight... Loud and proud being obnoxious to all the dumbass Sharks fans...

Hopefully we can pull out a W tonight. A win would go a long way in building the confidence of the team against one of the best in the west.
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0 #73 KJ-Sens 2012-01-19 13:07
If they are serious about "real" talent, not just depth, they should go back to the Columbus well, and get Nash to reform his chemistry with Spezza. Pay the price and not a penny more. Columbus will be dumping salary soon.

To get talent, you gotta give up talent, but what good are prospects if they don't turn out. I am completely fine giving up Pumple, or Noeson, and a high pick if Nash is the return. Nash is a proven all star, who likely needs a fresh change of scenery.

I am also fine if BM stands pat though. The chemistry they have right now should not be tampered with, unless they know they can get a guy who will fit in with the group, a la Turris, and have an immediate impact.

KJ
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+3 #74 Xan 2012-01-19 13:09
Quoting riceroni:
To Anaheim
- Zibinajad
- Stone
- 1st 2012
- 2nd 2013

To Ottawa
- Ryan
- Etem
- 2012 2nd
RETARDED.. you should be shot for thinking it!!!!!!!!!!!
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+1 #75 Prusek 2012-01-19 13:12
I looked up Bobby Ryan's stats and he's on pace for 30 goals this year (after catching fire of late) and he's scored 34 and 35 goals the last two years while mostly playing with very good forwards. I think some of the packages people are proposing are a little high.
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0 #76 NorCal SensFan 2012-01-19 13:13
Quoting Xan:
Quoting riceroni:
To Anaheim
- Zibinajad
- Stone
- 1st 2012
- 2nd 2013

To Ottawa
- Ryan
- Etem
- 2012 2nd
RETARDED.. you should be shot for thinking it!!!!!!!!!!!



While I wouldn't want to give that much up for Ryan, I think this is actually in the neighbourhood of what it would cost to get him... You can't get an elite forward for a bunch of pluggers and low picks... Anaheim is trying to rebuild... It wouldn't make sense for them to give up a young elite forward for a bunch of low level prospects that will never be as good as Ryan.
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+1 #77 DenisVial 2012-01-19 13:14
Quoting KJ-Sens:
If they are serious about "real" talent, not just depth, they should go back to the Columbus well, and get Nash to reform his chemistry with Spezza. Pay the price and not a penny more. Columbus will be dumping salary soon.

To get talent, you gotta give up talent, but what good are prospects if they don't turn out. I am completely fine giving up Pumple, or Noeson, and a high pick if Nash is the return. Nash is a proven all star, who likely needs a fresh change of scenery.

I am also fine if BM stands pat though. The chemistry they have right now should not be tampered with, unless they know they can get a guy who will fit in with the group, a la Turris, and have an immediate impact.

KJ


The price and cap hit for Nash will be too high. Columbus would want Zbad, 1st round pick, and one or two of Noesen, Puempel, Lehner or Stone.
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+2 #78 cain69 2012-01-19 13:15
Ryan and Parise would be a very nice pick up.

If i was Murray and i wasn't planning on selling the form for them. I would Focus my attention on Teemu Selanne as a rental. Yes i know what you guys are going to say ,He is to old. but keep in mind that you could most likely get him very cheep like a prosprct or roster player like a Butler or Geening

And think what he will bring to this team EXP, Heart, Set of wheel,and a pair of soft hands. He would fit quite nicly in the top six I think and look good in a Sens Jersey

What do you think.
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+3 #79 hq8 2012-01-19 13:17
sigh. the inner leafs fan in sens fan is coming out with all these crazy trade predictions instead of focusing on the team's real weakness, which is still in goaltending depth and defense. guys just look at the stats, we are the top 6 scoring team in the league right now but we are the third worst defensive team in the league (150 GA)...with a -1 differential... ..and we want Bobby Ryan? how is he going to stop giving up more goals?
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-1 #80 Tookie 2012-01-19 13:17
Quoting hq8:
look at it this way: what if anderson fizzles next year? what if lehner does not pan out....what if the defense crumbles next year outside of Karlsson and Cowen? up front there is layers of forwards to try, but on the back end, not so much.


"Whats ifs" are exactly that "what ifs" you cant go by that when building a contender...You have to go with what you know.

We know Ryan is a proven 30+ NHL goal scorer.
We know Smith is a pesty 3rd line C with scoring upside.
We know Foligno is a rugged 3rd line winger with scoring upside who can plug in a limited top 6 role.

Zibanejad, we dont know much, good shot, good speed, tough kid.
Puempel, Noesen, Stone, Pageau. All prospects not better than any other prospect.

Da Costa, smallish forward with great hands, limited scoring potential.

Butler we know he can score but is not consistent and lacks the drive.
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-2 #81 jakester 2012-01-19 13:18
Cherub - you douche

DaCosta is in the minors but he's going to be a very good 2nd line NHL center
Butler scored about 50 goals in the minors and NHl last year
Pageau is tearing up the Q probably the best player in that league + our 1st pick

If that isn't enough your nuts!

Lets not over value 30 goals a year - he isn't a 50 f-ing goal scorer! Think man think!
Didn't MacArthur score 30 goals last year! I'm ok giving away players But not Zibby-Stone-or Silfverbrg.
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0 #82 MethotToMyMadness 2012-01-19 13:19
Quoting IcySurfas:
We've stuggled against San Jose for sometime now haven't we? Although how much of a bar can your really set for a team you play once I year.


Record shows we have lost the last 5 against San Jose, but we have a chance to earn a point in a franchise-recor d 11th consecutive road game tonight. Come on Sens, let's take this one from them!!
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0 #83 hq8 2012-01-19 13:20
Quoting cain69:
Ryan and Parise would be a very nice pick up.

If i was Murray and i wasn't planning on selling the form for them. I would Focus my attention on Teemu Selanne as a rental. Yes i know what you guys are going to say ,He is to old. but keep in mind that you could most likely get him very cheep like a prosprct or roster player like a Butler or Geening

And think what he will bring to this team EXP, Heart, Set of wheel,and a pair of soft hands. He would fit quite nicly in the top six I think and look good in a Sens Jersey

What do you think.


proven playoff performer, a big reason the sens lost to the ducks.
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0 #84 SensFanInMTL 2012-01-19 13:20
Man I can't believe I went through 3/4 of these preposterous trade deals for Ryan. Prospal, really? I agree with getting a top 6 forward I mean Condra & Greening on lines 1 & 2? These lines aren't going to be long term unless they prove to be successful to the point where we're serious about hoisting the Cup in our hands. With that said even if Bobby Ryan were to arrive in Ottawa the pieces we'd have to give up would be more than a prospect and a 1st rounder in this year's draft. Then again if Murray has all of these prospects like the three 1st rounders from last year, they may be additions to be package, which I'd rather not see parted.
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0 #85 Rizzo 2012-01-19 13:25
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting Andrews Theory:
For the record, I believe I suggested that a 30 second call with the Euge could change the budget a few days ago...


Addressed this comment in the last thread.


I think I was the one that originally stated that a while ago. Nonetheless, this is further evidence that a "budget" is never as fixed as it may seem...
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+1 #86 A Train 2012-01-19 13:30
I loved the Turris acquisition but am a little nervous about what's brewing here.

It's not really logical on my part but I really don't want to part with Zibanejad. He seemed genuinely stoked to be drafted by the Sens and his world juniors championship winning goal, while just one goal, is pointing toward an impact player with a flare for the dramatic. Plus the Swedes love him.

Can't help but thinking Anaheim will be asking for Zibanejad and more to part with Ryan. If you were a Ducks fan, wouldn't you?
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0 #87 boom 2012-01-19 13:31
Quoting Rizzo:
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting Andrews Theory:
For the record, I believe I suggested that a 30 second call with the Euge could change the budget a few days ago...


Addressed this comment in the last thread.


I think I was the one that originally stated that a while ago. Nonetheless, this is further evidence that a "budget" is never as fixed as it may seem...

Maybe you and Andrew can duke it out during recess - to settle, once and for all, who was the first one to state/suggest this...
The rest of us will wait to hear from the winner.
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0 #88 KJ-Sens 2012-01-19 13:47
Quoting DenisVial:
Quoting KJ-Sens:
If they are serious about "real" talent, not just depth, they should go back to the Columbus well, and get Nash to reform his chemistry with Spezza. Pay the price and not a penny more. Columbus will be dumping salary soon.

To get talent, you gotta give up talent, but what good are prospects if they don't turn out. I am completely fine giving up Pumple, or Noeson, and a high pick if Nash is the return. Nash is a proven all star, who likely needs a fresh change of scenery.

I am also fine if BM stands pat though. The chemistry they have right now should not be tampered with, unless they know they can get a guy who will fit in with the group, a la Turris, and have an immediate impact.

KJ


The price and cap hit for Nash will be too high. Columbus would want Zbad, 1st round pick, and one or two of Noesen, Puempel, Lehner or Stone.


Well, the thing is do we really know what one player is worth? We don't know what Columbus would want. Sure, we can speculate. I mean, remember the fan base here thinking Rundblad and a 2nd was too much for Turris? Its starting to look like a brilliant move for Ottawa in the short term, whereas Rundblad has become a question mark in Pheonix.

Yes, the cap hit for Nash will be high, but there is no point going after a star, if you aren't prepared to pay for it. And thanks to Murray's drafting, we do have the assets and cap space to consider this and still come out with a full cupboard of prospects. Nash is also still young, so would benefit Ottawa for many more years (assuming he remains healthy). I think that would be a good gamble. One of the few players I would gamble on, actually.

KJ
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0 #89 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2012-01-19 13:47
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+2 #90 383 2012-01-19 13:47
I've sat here, bored at work and have read enough of this fluff that has occured in this comment section.

I can't take it anymore!!!

We are NOT going to trade for Bobby Ryan, Zach Parise or Alex Semin.

End of story.

We are NOT trading for these guys because they will want in return, MZ93, Mark Stone or both PLUS probably a current roster player AND a 1st rounder.

NOOOOO Waaay BM can justify this to EM. I think what Murray meant by making a deal IF the right deal came along would be grabbing a rental/UFA at the end of the year.

Someone like for example, Ales Hemsky, Vinnie Prospal etc.

For the record I like our team the way it is.
Turris was our impact trade for the season.

Please stop this baloney!
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0 #91 Frootmig 2012-01-19 13:54
I don't think Murray will be shopping for a rental ... If he's going to give up some of the team's future, I fairly certain he will want a good player with term that will be around for a few years.
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0 #92 hq8 2012-01-19 13:59
Quoting 383:
I've sat here, bored at work and have read enough of this fluff that has occured in this comment section.

I can't take it anymore!!!

We are NOT going to trade for Bobby Ryan, Zach Parise or Alex Semin.

End of story.

We are NOT trading for these guys because they will want in return, MZ93, Mark Stone or both PLUS probably a current roster player AND a 1st rounder.

NOOOOO Waaay BM can justify this to EM. I think what Murray meant by making a deal IF the right deal came along would be grabbing a rental/UFA at the end of the year.

Someone like for example, Ales Hemsky, Vinnie Prospal etc.

For the record I like our team the way it is.
Turris was our impact trade for the season.

Please stop this baloney!


Thank you. Finally some extra voice of reason. Someone mentioned Selanne earlier and I think that would be a nice fit. He is experienced and still has the mojo going and he would fit nicely with Alfie.
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+1 #93 hq8 2012-01-19 14:03
More to back Selanne up: 45GP, 44Pts, 15G, 29A...whats not to like, he might just come back next year too.
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0 #94 CarloswSPECR1 2012-01-19 14:06
Quick question, why did Ottawa draft Gleason twice?

According to WikiPedia, Gleason "couldn't come to terms with Ottawa" and thus he was traded to LA for Smolinksi.

To get back on topic, I trust our General Manager to make the right choice.

GO! SENS! GO!
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-1 #95 hq8 2012-01-19 14:08
P.S: On those Selanne numbers: that by the way is more than any of the studs all you amazing sens fans (inner leafs fans) are proposing. not to mention he is a plus player. Saku Koivu would be a pretty nice deadline pick up too. probably more available than selanne as far as the sens are concerned. Hagman is also there.
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0 #96 CarloswSPECR1 2012-01-19 14:22
Apolgies. I was thinking of another player that's not Tim Gleason.
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+4 #97 SensCherub 2012-01-19 14:23
Quoting jakester:
Cherub - you douche

DaCosta is in the minors but he's going to be a very good 2nd line NHL center
Butler scored about 50 goals in the minors and NHl last year
Pageau is tearing up the Q probably the best player in that league + our 1st pick

If that isn't enough your nuts!

Lets not over value 30 goals a year - he isn't a 50 f-ing goal scorer! Think man think!
Didn't MacArthur score 30 goals last year! I'm ok giving away players But not Zibby-Stone-or Silfverbrg.


Alright, let's go through your logic jacktard:

Let's presume that you're right and DaCosta ends up being a "very good" 2nd line centre in the NHL. His ceiling is more like a servicable 2nd line centre on a lottery team, but whatever. So we have a 2LC in the package.

Butler and his 50 goals between the AHL and NHL last year...here's a fun fact: In Butler's entire professional career (both regular season and postseason), he has played in 145 games and has scored exactly 50 goals. Of those 50 goals, exactly 35 have been scored in the AHL. So Bobby has scored 15 goals at the NHL level and that's over 75 games. So let's not b*llshit and proclaim him as a world-beater just yet, k? So we have at best a 3LW in the package.

Now Pageau. Tearing up the Q. You know who else did that? Mike Hoffman. Same player bud. Where is he? In the minors where he'll likely spend most of his career. So now we have a career minor-leaguer in the package.

And a first.

So we want to trade a "very good" 2LC, a marginal 3LW, a career minor-leager and a first to Anaheim for a young, proven 30 goal scorer.

Yeah, of course they'd go for that...

Child, please.
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0 #98 Sensnation 2012-01-19 14:30
Quoting Dorkiewicz:
It looks like the only suggestion here for an impact player that's still young is Ryan. Anyone else?


I still think Perry and Parise are better options than Ryan.
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0 #99 MoeDozer 2012-01-19 14:36
ian_mendes Ian Mendes
Practice Lines in SJ: Greening-Spezza -Michalek; Condra-Turris-A lfredsson; Foligno-Smith-N eil; Daugavins-Konop ka-Butler.
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+1 #100 SwedishSens 2012-01-19 14:38
Tim Gleason has no interset in Ottawa and or playing for any Canadian Team

Listening too Murray makes me wonder if there is a deal out there he believes he can make and it all depends on Eugene's wallet ..
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+1 #101 Hax 2012-01-19 14:40
Quoting Frootmig:
I don't think Murray will be shopping for a rental ... If he's going to give up some of the team's future, I fairly certain he will want a good player with term that will be around for a few years.


You're right but also sort of wrong (IMO).

Murray would only consider giving up a major piece (any of our first rounders - past or future) as part of any package if he gets a long-term piece in return.

But he'll take a rental if the "price" is a late draft pick or some other spare part, plus whatever salary we have to pick up (assuming Uncle Euge is cool with that part).
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0 #102 MethotToMyMadness 2012-01-19 14:40
Alright, like most of you, I've sat and read the back and forth. Some say BM will only go for a rental, some say he'll only sign someone that fits the rebuild and stays long term. The truth of the matter is, BM will do whatever he and the staff feels is right and that's the end of it. Honesty, either of these scenario's could play out and either of them would work. If BM went for a rental, he'd be going for someone with experience that's been down this road before and coughing up a prospect isn't out of the question, we have a slew of them who down the road will all be fighting for a spot. As you know, not all of them will make it in a Sens uniform, history has showed us this. So if BM feels it's worth it, he'll do it and stand true to his comment and giving the veterns the chance he spoke about. But if you look at it from the long term, that works too, it just means we would have to give up draft picks for potential stars, but we would pick up a already proven star, it's not really a loss. Either side wins really, depending how you look at it.

We can all speculate what he will or won't do, who or what he's willing to put on the trading block to do it, but at the end of the day, nobody knows for sure.

Everyone has an opinion and everyone has the right to share it, but it erks me to see the people who respond back with direct criticism on any suggestion. A little banter back and forth is ok, that's what makes talking trades fun, but don't bash a fellow fan for being interested in seeing a specific player in the mold. It's all in good fun, let's keep it that way.
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-2 #103 GSens 2012-01-19 14:52
Quoting IcySurfas:
I noticed in the Leafs game as it went on, that Butler had moved up to the top line with Greening and Spezza, while Michalek moved down to Turris line and Condra played on the 4th in place of Butler's spot.


I think that move makes the Turris line our top line
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+2 #104 jakester 2012-01-19 14:52
CHERUB-turd

We're talking a 30 Goal scorer(ryan) who's played with a great center(Getzlaf) - hell thats 8 more goals than what Foligno scores a year. Hell if they want more than what I proposed I say screw them. Cuz as a SENS fan I believe Zibby-Stone-Sil fverburg will bring me more down the road. I was just interested in this guy to give ALFIE a chance this year. Otherwise very happy to wait and let our guys grow.
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0 #105 SensCherub 2012-01-19 14:57
Quoting madpajamma:
Alright, like most of you, I've sat and read the back and forth. Some say BM will only go for a rental, some say he'll only sign someone that fits the rebuild and stays long term. The truth of the matter is, BM will do whatever he and the staff feels is right and that's the end of it. Honesty, either of these scenario's could play out and either of them would work. If BM went for a rental, he'd be going for someone with experience that's been down this road before and coughing up a prospect isn't out of the question, we have a slew of them who down the road will all be fighting for a spot. As you know, not all of them will make it in a Sens uniform, history has showed us this. So if BM feels it's worth it, he'll do it and stand true to his comment and giving the veterns the chance he spoke about. But if you look at it from the long term, that works too, it just means we would have to give up draft picks for potential stars, but we would pick up a already proven star, it's not really a loss. Either side wins really, depending how you look at it.

We can all speculate what he will or won't do, who or what he's willing to put on the trading block to do it, but at the end of the day, nobody knows for sure.

Everyone has an opinion and everyone has the right to share it, but it erks me to see the people who respond back with direct criticism on any suggestion. A little banter back and forth is ok, that's what makes talking trades fun, but don't bash a fellow fan for being interested in seeing a specific player in the mold. It's all in good fun, let's keep it that way.


This is like some crazy mixture of pacifism, stating the blatantly obvious and sitting squarely on the fence. I can't tell if you're a kindergarten teacher or a bi politician.

This IS all in good fun, so don't be a buzzkill.

Lolz
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0 #106 SNOOPY SENIOR 2012-01-19 14:58
Based on a previous post, it looks like the Projected Lineup will be the exact same as the last game.

Petersson and / or Borowiecki, will not be inserted in San Jose game tonite, unless MacLean decides to do so just before puck drop !
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-2 #107 CohMa 2012-01-19 14:58
Looks like it might be Auld tonight according to Ian Mendes
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-3 #108 HomeIce 2012-01-19 14:59
Quoting hq8:
so, lets compare some more:
Ott has 5 scorers with 10+ goals. with two of them being 20+
Bos has 7 players with 10 or more goals but none with 20+.

Bos current scoring pace is 3.54 GPG, Ott is at 3.00 GPG. Thats top 10 in the league.

the top point getter in Boston is Seguin with 40 pts.
Lets compare with Ott: Spezza with 48 pts and Karlsson with 44, honorable mention to the captain with 35 in 42 games.

so...i mean with all that talent coming up in Silfverberg and Zibanejad next year, then Noesen, Peumpel to follow, then Turris panning out on the team right now, Spezza already there, Michalek already there. Butler and Da Costa may still pan out. Foligno and Zack Smith seem to be hitting the stride. Greening is decent too.

WHY THE HELL DO WE NEED RYAN NOW WHEN WE WILL HAVE PLAYERS THAT WILL ADD UP TO MORE THAN ATLEAST TWO RYANS IN JUST TWO YEARS???????


Ryan is a proven 50 Goal scorer. You're dreaming to think our prospects will "add up to more than at least two ryans".
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0 #109 SensCherub 2012-01-19 15:00
Quoting jakester:
CHERUB-turd

We're talking a 30 Goal scorer(ryan) who's played with a great center(Getzlaf) - hell thats 8 more goals than what Foligno scores a year. Hell if they want more than what I proposed I say screw them. Cuz as a SENS fan I believe Zibby-Stone-Silfverburg will bring me more down the road. I was just interested in this guy to give ALFIE a chance this year. Otherwise very happy to wait and let our guys grow.



Ok ok. I'm off of you Jakester. I'm now into Madjamma. You win. I'll catch you on round 2.Quoting jakester:
CHERUB-turd

We're talking a 30 Goal scorer(ryan) who's played with a great center(Getzlaf) - hell thats 8 more goals than what Foligno scores a year. Hell if they want more than what I proposed I say screw them. Cuz as a SENS fan I believe Zibby-Stone-Silfverburg will bring me more down the road. I was just interested in this guy to give ALFIE a chance this year. Otherwise very happy to wait and let our guys grow.



I'm with you on keeping our good prospects. My point is that Anaheim wouldn't trade Ryan for a bunch of our B level prospects. That's it that's all.
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+2 #110 CohMa 2012-01-19 15:01
Quoting HomeIce:
Quoting hq8:
so, lets compare some more:
Ott has 5 scorers with 10+ goals. with two of them being 20+
Bos has 7 players with 10 or more goals but none with 20+.

Bos current scoring pace is 3.54 GPG, Ott is at 3.00 GPG. Thats top 10 in the league.

the top point getter in Boston is Seguin with 40 pts.
Lets compare with Ott: Spezza with 48 pts and Karlsson with 44, honorable mention to the captain with 35 in 42 games.

so...i mean with all that talent coming up in Silfverberg and Zibanejad next year, then Noesen, Peumpel to follow, then Turris panning out on the team right now, Spezza already there, Michalek already there. Butler and Da Costa may still pan out. Foligno and Zack Smith seem to be hitting the stride. Greening is decent too.

WHY THE HELL DO WE NEED RYAN NOW WHEN WE WILL HAVE PLAYERS THAT WILL ADD UP TO MORE THAN ATLEAST TWO RYANS IN JUST TWO YEARS???????


Ryan is a proven 50 Goal scorer. You're dreaming to think our prospects will "add up to more than at least two ryans".


When has Ryan scored 50 goals? Are you thinking of Perry?
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0 #111 HomeIce 2012-01-19 15:03
Quoting CohMa:
Quoting HomeIce:
Quoting hq8:
so, lets compare some more:
Ott has 5 scorers with 10+ goals. with two of them being 20+
Bos has 7 players with 10 or more goals but none with 20+.

Bos current scoring pace is 3.54 GPG, Ott is at 3.00 GPG. Thats top 10 in the league.

the top point getter in Boston is Seguin with 40 pts.
Lets compare with Ott: Spezza with 48 pts and Karlsson with 44, honorable mention to the captain with 35 in 42 games.

so...i mean with all that talent coming up in Silfverberg and Zibanejad next year, then Noesen, Peumpel to follow, then Turris panning out on the team right now, Spezza already there, Michalek already there. Butler and Da Costa may still pan out. Foligno and Zack Smith seem to be hitting the stride. Greening is decent too.

WHY THE HELL DO WE NEED RYAN NOW WHEN WE WILL HAVE PLAYERS THAT WILL ADD UP TO MORE THAN ATLEAST TWO RYANS IN JUST TWO YEARS???????


Ryan is a proven 50 Goal scorer. You're dreaming to think our prospects will "add up to more than at least two ryans".


When has Ryan scored 50 goals? Are you thinking of Perry?


I was. My bad
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+1 #112 SensCherub 2012-01-19 15:05
Quoting CohMa:
Looks like it might be Auld tonight according to Ian Mendes


fml
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+1 #113 CohMa 2012-01-19 15:05
Quoting CohMa:
Looks like it might be Auld tonight according to Ian Mendes


Damn Ian Mendes, now he's saying that it looks like Anderson afterall. He was the first off the ice.
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-2 #114 hq8 2012-01-19 15:08
Quoting HomeIce:
Quoting CohMa:
Quoting HomeIce:
Quoting hq8:
so, lets compare some more:
Ott has 5 scorers with 10+ goals. with two of them being 20+
Bos has 7 players with 10 or more goals but none with 20+.

Bos current scoring pace is 3.54 GPG, Ott is at 3.00 GPG. Thats top 10 in the league.

the top point getter in Boston is Seguin with 40 pts.
Lets compare with Ott: Spezza with 48 pts and Karlsson with 44, honorable mention to the captain with 35 in 42 games.

so...i mean with all that talent coming up in Silfverberg and Zibanejad next year, then Noesen, Peumpel to follow, then Turris panning out on the team right now, Spezza already there, Michalek already there. Butler and Da Costa may still pan out. Foligno and Zack Smith seem to be hitting the stride. Greening is decent too.

WHY THE HELL DO WE NEED RYAN NOW WHEN WE WILL HAVE PLAYERS THAT WILL ADD UP TO MORE THAN ATLEAST TWO RYANS IN JUST TWO YEARS???????


Ryan is a proven 50 Goal scorer. You're dreaming to think our prospects will "add up to more than at least two ryans".


When has Ryan scored 50 goals? Are you thinking of Perry?


I was. My bad


yes. thanks for correcting yourself. save me a retaliatory post lol.

now can we all kill this stupid trade talk. it ain't happening. Ryan is a 30 goal scorer, we already have two in Spezza and Michalek. Infact, given better circumstances, Spezza and MM9 probably touch 40 goals. After all Spezza did pot 34 some time back.

sens should get selanne at the deadline, the guy is a class act and will definitely show up to each game he laces up for the sens and he will most definitely create quite the connection with Alfie.
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+1 #115 Sudsy 2012-01-19 15:13
I also think Ryan is somewhat overrated and would cost way too much. Sure, we're in a good position to make the playoffs this year but there's no need to make a big trade for a run at the cup. As good as the Sens have been playing, the playoffs are a much different story and, like others have said, our defence needs more work than our forwards. Stay the course...I wouldn't be opposed to adding Selanne though for the right price.
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+1 #116 Sensnation 2012-01-19 15:19
Selanne and Koivu have no movement clauses and supposedly Selanne has 0 interest in playing anywhere but Anaheim these days. He's been offered other scenarios over the last couple years and turned them all down. He'd be a great addition to such a young team though if we could convince him to waive it. Much better than Prospal.

I think Bobby Ryan is a really good player, but wayyy overrated. I would not pay the same amount for him as I would for others like Nash, Parise, Perry.
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+3 #117 MoeDozer 2012-01-19 15:20
according to ian mendes the borocop makes nhl debut tonight
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+1 #118 The Apostle 2012-01-19 15:22
Off Topic: You have to admire TSNs persistence in making us look bad.

The headline for the Sharks game is Sens try to break lengthy losing streak to sharks.

Yes we haven't beaten them for 8 years, that sounds terrible until you also take into account we have only played them 5 times in that. 5 losses in a row is bad but it is analysing the situation in isolation.

Now that implies we are just bad at the moment. They kinda/sorta mention that we are 9-1-1 in our last 11 games. Good for them.

I am sure if the sens won the cup this season the headline would be.

Sens win first cup since 1920's or sens finally break 80 year cup drought.
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0 #119 AlfieforMayor11 2012-01-19 15:23
You guys are all ridiculous. First off, Bob Murray said that he has no interest in acquiring picks or prospects in return for Ryan, Perry, and Getzlaf, and that he was only interested in trading one of those guys for another significant player in return. Therefore you can all forget about any of our prospects or our first round pick being the centerpiece in any kind of deal

Personally I don't think Ryan, Getzlaf or Perry will be moved. Anaheim has no reason to move them. They just need to retool because they have a great core with those 3 forwards, Fowler and Hiller. They also have a very good group of forward prospects.

Also, I'm very willing to bet that Parise and Nash will also NOT be traded.

Keep dreaming guys!
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0 #120 CohMa 2012-01-19 15:25
Quoting The Apostle:
Off Topic: You have to admire TSNs persistence in making us look bad.

The headline for the Sharks game is Sens try to break lengthy losing streak to sharks.

Yes we haven't beaten them for 8 years, that sounds terrible until you also take into account we have only played them 5 times in that. 5 losses in a row is bad but it is analysing the situation in isolation.

Now that implies we are just bad at the moment. They kinda/sorta mention that we are 9-1-1 in our last 11 games. Good for them.

I am sure if the sens won the cup this season the headline would be.

Sens win first cup since 1920's or sens finally break 80 year cup drought.


Or maybe "Sens finally win first cup in almost 100 years".
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0 #121 novascotian 2012-01-19 15:31
P A Parenteau - solid winger UFA at the end of the year who is from Hull and may very well sign at seasons end still 28 so has some good years left

Long Shot Option but i guess if people are talking about parise and nash it doesn't seem so crazy is Kyle Okposo rumored to be available earlier in the season still a young sniper Islanders would most likely be wanting the 1st + which i would do

Chris Stewart - I know he was just traded for but he has not panned out well in St. Louis so far and the blues may not feel like they traded johnsson for nothing now as shattenkurk (sp?) is playing far better then they could imagine. Stewart is also a RFA at the end of the year.

Greening - Spezza - Michalek
Stewart - Turris - Alfresson
Foligno - Smith - Neil
Condra/Daug - Konopka - Butler/Winnie

Kuba - Karlsson
Cowen - Gonchar
Phillips - Lee/Carkner (Boro depending on he plays)

Looks pretty good going into the playoffs
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-1 #122 SwedishSens 2012-01-19 15:40
Call up Oilers problem solved !!

Sutton and Smyth
Sutton and Hemsky
Sutton and MPS
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0 #123 SNOOPY SENIOR 2012-01-19 15:43
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
You guys are all ridiculous. First off, Bob Murray said that he has no interest in acquiring picks or prospects in return for Ryan, Perry, and Getzlaf, and that he was only interested in trading one of those guys for another significant player in return. Therefore you can all forget about any of our prospects or our first round pick being the centerpiece in any kind of deal

Personally I don't think Ryan, Getzlaf or Perry will be moved. Anaheim has no reason to move them. They just need to retool because they have a great core with those 3 forwards, Fowler and Hiller. They also have a very good group of forward prospects.

Also, I'm very willing to bet that Parise and Nash will also NOT be traded.

Keep dreaming guys!


@ AFM11,

You are dead on, that all these guys aforementioned will not move from their teams. For one, Zach Parise has a 1 year contract at $6 million, and the Devils will give him a long term contract.

There might be a good player, available somewhere, but not of the same quality as the players mentioned above.
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0 #124 The Apostle 2012-01-19 15:43
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
You guys are all ridiculous. First off, Bob Murray said that he has no interest in acquiring picks or prospects in return for Ryan, Perry, and Getzlaf, and that he was only interested in trading one of those guys for another significant player in return. Therefore you can all forget about any of our prospects or our first round pick being the centerpiece in any kind of deal

Personally I don't think Ryan, Getzlaf or Perry will be moved. Anaheim has no reason to move them. They just need to retool because they have a great core with those 3 forwards, Fowler and Hiller. They also have a very good group of forward prospects.

Also, I'm very willing to bet that Parise and Nash will also NOT be traded.

Keep dreaming guys!



I see Anaheim in the same situation as Philadelphia were a few years ago. A good team just having really bad year for a variety of reasons.

They will get a really good pick in the 2012 draft and be challenging again quickly.

The GM was responding to direct questions about his stars and was trying to shake them up.

It may be fun to talk about what it would take to get Ryan but I don't think it's likely.
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0 #125 Sandy 2012-01-19 15:45
Quoting Jester:
Significant!
This is the word that gets me, Prospal, Whitney, Smyth don't strike me as such!

Would love to have Gleason back in the fold Very strong very solid D. He could take allot of pressure off of phillips and the other D.

Can we finally put to rest the Smyth talk? This guy traded himself to the oilers! the oil faithfull would have shit fits after all he has done for the city and fanbase. To still be loyal to the club after being traded, something he clearly did not want! Do you really think the Fans or Katz would allow it? He came back to retire an oiler Nuff said!


Smyth is a UFA after this season. He can go to a contender and still re-sign with the Oilers in the off-season...
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0 #126 Rizzo 2012-01-19 15:48
Quoting boom:
Quoting Rizzo:
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting Andrews Theory:
For the record, I believe I suggested that a 30 second call with the Euge could change the budget a few days ago...


Addressed this comment in the last thread.


I think I was the one that originally stated that a while ago. Nonetheless, this is further evidence that a "budget" is never as fixed as it may seem...

Maybe you and Andrew can duke it out during recess - to settle, once and for all, who was the first one to state/suggest this...
The rest of us will wait to hear from the winner.


Right, that's what it is...pettiness, rather than a simple clarification.

You seemed to miss the point about the fluidity of "budgets". I was simply referencing the long back and forth Chirp and I had on that very matter. If it wasn't your first time reading/comment ing, you'd probably recognize that.

But yes, recess and all that...
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0 #127 DenisVial 2012-01-19 15:50
Can someone tell me how a 185 pound Dman got the nickname Borocop?
Is that kind of like calling Karlson "Killer"?

Just curious, maybe he has a mean streak or something.
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0 #128 Sandy 2012-01-19 15:53
Quoting The Apostle:
I could understand the keep our first pick talk if our first pick was likely to be top 5 or even top 10 - but if we are in in a position to make a trade for a play off run then that obviously isn't the case.

I'd be fine with giving up a 1st if it was in the 20-25 range - i know good players can be found there so the pick would have to be part of a package for an already semi-established NHL player who could help us beyond this season and next. We don't give up our first for a rental.

I agree with spin, the price for Ryan would be at least something like our 1st, noesen/pumpel/silfverburg and another significant(ish) roster player - at the very least Murray will look at that as he should.



The issue is.. the Sens have no 2nd round pick this next draft.. and if they trade their 1st -- they would have no pick until the 3rd round. Not an ideal situation for a re-building team.

As for Semin... no thanks. He is a UFA at season's end.. and if the Sens give up a 1st & Gonchar for him and he walks away... that would be a disaster. He is not the missing piece to a good playoff run.

What about Brassard? Are the Blue Jackets still dangling him?
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+1 #129 taxman 2012-01-19 15:54
A few random thoughts:
1. Why would you trade 9MM (with other pieces) for another top 6 forward? Then you're no further ahead.

2. Parise and Ryan are not the same commodity. By this I mean that to get Ryan, you'd need to give up a lot, because he's signed for another 3 years at a good price. Parise is a UFA this summer. to get him, you'd have to give up something along the lines of what the flyers paid to get Brisgalov out of Phoenix, or maybe a bit more. I'm not comparing the actual skill of the players, but rather, their perceived worth to the acquiring organization. Parise would be way cheaper, but of course, the risk would be higher as there is no guarantee he would sign. The idea would be that you let him play with Spezza and 9MM for the rest of the season, and try to sell him on the city and organizational culture.

3. When putting mock trades together, it's not enough to think of the players you want to get rid of, or even the players you think are of equivalent quality. You need to consider what the other team's organizational need is. This is what scares me about a trade with NJ, as they'd likely want Lehner, which is absolutely a show stopper from the Sens perspective.

4. Why wouldn't you trade this year's 1st rounder. If it was going to be top 10, that player might be ready next year, or the year after. But even that's a bit of a stretch. I think we can probably all agree that we're not a legitimate contender yet. But neither are we a terrible team. So we need to make the most of this season ,and take it for what it is. Use it to give play-off experience to our young prospects, and use it as an opportunity to trade away depth players who are having career years. You absolutely don't acquire rentals, just for the sake of renting them. If you get Parise, for example, you're not trading for his help this year. YOu're strictly trading for negotiating rights. Getting a 35+ flash in the pan is absolutely out of the question.
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+1 #130 CohMa 2012-01-19 15:55
Quoting DenisVial:
Can someone tell me how a 185 pound Dman got the nickname Borocop?
Is that kind of like calling Karlson "Killer"?

Just curious, maybe he has a mean streak or something.


Derek Grant gave him the nickname. I believe is was in fun. But he will drop the gloves from time to time.
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0 #131 Sandy 2012-01-19 15:55
Quoting The Apostle:
I still find it funny that when we talk about drafts we occasionally get a deal which packages a lot of our crap and gets a star back.

Think about what it would take from Anaheim to get Karlsson or Cowen out of Ottawa in a trade. That's the sort of thing we would need to offer to get Ryan. Ryan is only 24.

EDIT: I think the proposal of Zibby/Greening and the 1st is getting close.



Personally I would never want Murray to do that...
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0 #132 The Apostle 2012-01-19 16:03
Quoting Sandy:
Quoting The Apostle:
I still find it funny that when we talk about drafts we occasionally get a deal which packages a lot of our crap and gets a star back.

Think about what it would take from Anaheim to get Karlsson or Cowen out of Ottawa in a trade. That's the sort of thing we would need to offer to get Ryan. Ryan is only 24.

EDIT: I think the proposal of Zibby/Greening and the 1st is getting close.



Personally I would never want Murray to do that...



to clarify - that's getting close to what i think it would TAKE to get Ryan.

it was more the point that we are still prone to thinking that we can package together cast-offs and bits and pieces to get something great back.

when we look at trading for a significant piece we should think about what we would need to get back to give up a comparable player from the sens roster

when thinking about Ryan ask what it would take for us to give up Cowen - when thinking about Getzlaf or Perry, what would need to get back to let Karlsson go
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0 #133 Sandy 2012-01-19 16:07
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
You guys are all ridiculous. First off, Bob Murray said that he has no interest in acquiring picks or prospects in return for Ryan, Perry, and Getzlaf, and that he was only interested in trading one of those guys for another significant player in return. Therefore you can all forget about any of our prospects or our first round pick being the centerpiece in any kind of deal

Personally I don't think Ryan, Getzlaf or Perry will be moved. Anaheim has no reason to move them. They just need to retool because they have a great core with those 3 forwards, Fowler and Hiller. They also have a very good group of forward prospects.

Also, I'm very willing to bet that Parise and Nash will also NOT be traded.

Keep dreaming guys!



Agreed... I don't think he moves any of the big 3 either... They were the best line in hockey last season -- the team had a bad start and won't make the playoffs.. but they are playing a lot better now.

It had better be Anderson tonight.. the thought of Auld will give me nightmares.

I think it would be best for Murray to look at defensemen rather than forwards. The Sens D still has it's issues...
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0 #134 MethotToMyMadness 2012-01-19 16:09
@SensCherub - I was sitting on the fence, I couldn't determine what playoff significance, if any, is made by deadline deal transactions? Checking post lockout when it comes to who played for the cup, here is what I found, take it for what it's worth.

2005–06 NHL season, Cans - Oil, Cans win the cup.

Canes acquire Mark Recchi (16 points, 25 games) from Pens for Niklas Nordgren, Krystofer Kolanos, and a 2007 2nd (D Kevin Marshall). Oil acquire F Sergei Samsonov (15 points, 24 games) from Boston for Marty Reasoner, Yan Stastny, and 2006 2nd (F Milan Lucic).

2006–07 NHL season, Ducks - Sens, Ducks win the cup, no transactions made by either club.

2007–08 NHL season, Wings - Pens, Wings wins the cup.

Wings acquire Brad Stuart (7 points, 21 games) from LA for a 2008 2nd, and 2009 4th. Pens acquire Marian Hossa (26 points, 20 games), Pascal Dupuis (7 points, 20 games) from Atlanta for Colby Armstrong, Erik Christensen, Angelo Esposito, and 2008 1st (Daultan Leveille).

2008–09 NHL season, Penguins - Wings, Pens win the cup.

Pens acquire Bill Guerin (15 points, 24 games) from the Islanders for a conditional 2009.
Detroit makes no deadline transactions (Hossa signed in offseason)

2009–10 NHL season, Hawks - Flyers, Hawks win the Cup, no transactions made by either club.

2010-11 NHL season, Bruins - Canucks, Bruins win the cup.

Bruins acquire G Anton Khudobin from the Wild for D Jeff Penner and the rights to F Mikko Lehtonen. No playoff help here. Canucks acquire Maxim Lapierre (5 points, 25 games) and MacGregor Sharp from the Ducks for Joel Perrault and a 2012 3rd. Canucks acquire Christopher Higgins (8 points, 25 games) from the Panthers for Evan Oberg and a 2011 3rd.
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+1 #135 taxman 2012-01-19 16:13
Quoting madpajamma:

2010-11 NHL season, Bruins - Canucks, Bruins win the cup.

Bruins acquire G Anton Khudobin from the Wild for D Jeff Penner and the rights to F Mikko Lehtonen. No playoff help here. Canucks acquire Maxim Lapierre (5 points, 25 games) and MacGregor Sharp from the Ducks for Joel Perrault and a 2012 3rd. Canucks acquire Christopher Higgins (8 points, 25 games) from the Panthers for Evan Oberg and a 2011 3rd.


You forgot Caberle and Kelly. Ddi they not also get Peverley that year? Seems to me the B's made a number of deals.
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+1 #136 hq8 2012-01-19 16:20
Quoting madpajamma:
@SensCherub - I was sitting on the fence, I couldn't determine what playoff significance, if any, is made by deadline deal transactions? Checking post lockout when it comes to who played for the cup, here is what I found, take it for what it's worth.

2005–06 NHL season, Cans - Oil, Cans win the cup.

Canes acquire Mark Recchi (16 points, 25 games) from Pens for Niklas Nordgren, Krystofer Kolanos, and a 2007 2nd (D Kevin Marshall). Oil acquire F Sergei Samsonov (15 points, 24 games) from Boston for Marty Reasoner, Yan Stastny, and 2006 2nd (F Milan Lucic).

2006–07 NHL season, Ducks - Sens, Ducks win the cup, no transactions made by either club.

2007–08 NHL season, Wings - Pens, Wings wins the cup.

Wings acquire Brad Stuart (7 points, 21 games) from LA for a 2008 2nd, and 2009 4th. Pens acquire Marian Hossa (26 points, 20 games), Pascal Dupuis (7 points, 20 games) from Atlanta for Colby Armstrong, Erik Christensen, Angelo Esposito, and 2008 1st (Daultan Leveille).

2008–09 NHL season, Penguins - Wings, Pens win the cup.

Pens acquire Bill Guerin (15 points, 24 games) from the Islanders for a conditional 2009.
Detroit makes no deadline transactions (Hossa signed in offseason)

2009–10 NHL season, Hawks - Flyers, Hawks win the Cup, no transactions made by either club.

2010-11 NHL season, Bruins - Canucks, Bruins win the cup.

Bruins acquire G Anton Khudobin from the Wild for D Jeff Penner and the rights to F Mikko Lehtonen. No playoff help here. Canucks acquire Maxim Lapierre (5 points, 25 games) and MacGregor Sharp from the Ducks for Joel Perrault and a 2012 3rd. Canucks acquire Christopher Higgins (8 points, 25 games) from the Panthers for Evan Oberg and a 2011 3rd.


you missed Boston acquiring Chris Kelly from Ottawa.
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0 #137 MethotToMyMadness 2012-01-19 16:27
Quoting taxman:
Quoting madpajamma:

2010-11 NHL season, Bruins - Canucks, Bruins win the cup.

Bruins acquire G Anton Khudobin from the Wild for D Jeff Penner and the rights to F Mikko Lehtonen. No playoff help here. Canucks acquire Maxim Lapierre (5 points, 25 games) and MacGregor Sharp from the Ducks for Joel Perrault and a 2012 3rd. Canucks acquire Christopher Higgins (8 points, 25 games) from the Panthers for Evan Oberg and a 2011 3rd.


You forgot Caberle and Kelly. Ddi they not also get Peverley that year? Seems to me the B's made a number of deals.


yeah, I knew wikipedia was missing details, Kaberle to the Bruins for Colborne, a 2011 1st and a conditional in 2012. Peverley and Boris Valabik to Bruins for Wheeler and Stuart. Kelly to the Bruins for a second-round draft pick in 2011. Fair to say that these pickups were a BIG reason Boston won the cup.
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0 #138 Ryan 2012-01-19 16:30
Quoting hq8:
Quoting madpajamma:
@SensCherub - I was sitting on the fence, I couldn't determine what playoff significance, if any, is made by deadline deal transactions? Checking post lockout when it comes to who played for the cup, here is what I found, take it for what it's worth.

2005–06 NHL season, Cans - Oil, Cans win the cup.

Canes acquire Mark Recchi (16 points, 25 games) from Pens for Niklas Nordgren, Krystofer Kolanos, and a 2007 2nd (D Kevin Marshall). Oil acquire F Sergei Samsonov (15 points, 24 games) from Boston for Marty Reasoner, Yan Stastny, and 2006 2nd (F Milan Lucic).

2006–07 NHL season, Ducks - Sens, Ducks win the cup, no transactions made by either club.

2007–08 NHL season, Wings - Pens, Wings wins the cup.

Wings acquire Brad Stuart (7 points, 21 games) from LA for a 2008 2nd, and 2009 4th. Pens acquire Marian Hossa (26 points, 20 games), Pascal Dupuis (7 points, 20 games) from Atlanta for Colby Armstrong, Erik Christensen, Angelo Esposito, and 2008 1st (Daultan Leveille).

2008–09 NHL season, Penguins - Wings, Pens win the cup.

Pens acquire Bill Guerin (15 points, 24 games) from the Islanders for a conditional 2009.
Detroit makes no deadline transactions (Hossa signed in offseason)

2009–10 NHL season, Hawks - Flyers, Hawks win the Cup, no transactions made by either club.

2010-11 NHL season, Bruins - Canucks, Bruins win the cup.

Bruins acquire G Anton Khudobin from the Wild for D Jeff Penner and the rights to F Mikko Lehtonen. No playoff help here. Canucks acquire Maxim Lapierre (5 points, 25 games) and MacGregor Sharp from the Ducks for Joel Perrault and a 2012 3rd. Canucks acquire Christopher Higgins (8 points, 25 games) from the Panthers for Evan Oberg and a 2011 3rd.


you missed Boston acquiring Chris Kelly from Ottawa.

And kaberle
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0 #139 Tookie 2012-01-19 16:30
Quoting Sandy:

Personally I would never want Murray to do that...


Why wouldnt you, Greening is nothing more than a plug, our 1st will be between 18-25th, wich we know wont be rdy for anothe couple years to which we have plenty of prospects coming, its expendable.

And for Zibby, he's a bonafide top prospect, especially after having the WJC that he did. But with next to nothing NHL experience.

I dont think that would even be enough for a young consistent 30+ goal scorer.
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0 #140 Floridasensfan 2012-01-19 16:36
Add me to the our D needs work, kind of think we need to take a serious look at Petersson before we start trading the farm, and Borwecki.

we may have the addition pieces in house and enough season left to prime them for playoffs.

Lehner our back up
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0 #141 jakester 2012-01-19 16:40
Senscherub,

Sorry I called you a TURD

All I'm saying is that 22 teams wanted to sign DaCosta out of College - he's an amazing stick handler and i'm sure teams scouting Bingo have different thoughts about him then you do. Add Butler to him who's scored 15 goals in th NHl in what 50 games max when playing(for the most part this year on the 4th line). Last year playing with Spez scored 11 goals in 30-some games. He can skate and has a great shot - prob a 25 goal scorer on a good line with decent minutes. + a prospect and a pic. That is a good return. You don't have to divest yourself of your drafted guys. These college pickups are just that pawns to sweeten pots with. Anaheim get two guys who can play right away and grow with that team and a good prospect + a 1st pick. 30 goals a year I wouldn't offer more than that - does he hustle 200 ft back and forth - not sure will have to do my homework on Ryan. But like you the price might become ridiculous and a pass on him might be a smarter option.
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0 #142 Sensnation 2012-01-19 17:01
Quite the nice contract our castoff Elliott got there. Good for him, it's nice to see that the coach/system was the problem and not his skill set. Still like the trade for Anderson though.
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0 #143 John Q. Spartan 2012-01-19 18:59
Pretty ridiculous to suggest that the Sens should be trading top prospects and top picks at this years trade deadline...
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0 #144 winnipegsens91 2012-01-23 22:39
imagine nash along side spezzas line. babies would be made while watching those two play together!
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