ChirpEd- #GoWithTheO

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ChirpEd- #GoWithTheO

WRITTEN BY SENSCHIRP READER- JOE

It’s time to retire the centurion. It’s time to #GoWithTheO.

This isn’t the first time this idea’s been kicked around the Sens fan base. Spencer over at Sensnation wrote about it back in December and it seemed to come up every time the boys rocked their heritage kits this season.

But after hearing some of Cyril Leeder’s comments Friday about changes coming to The Wheelhouse and other things they’re doing to ramp up to the 25th anniversary in 2017, it seems like a good time to reboot the discussion.

The Sens reached the end of an era – abruptly – when Alfie left. The former captain was the so-called face of the franchise but for his entire tenure here there was another face of the team too – that of a centurion. And while the styling of that face changed a few times, including the unfortunate creepy-neighbour-in-the-bushes face that adorned the red sweater during the 2007 playoff run, the centurion was as much a part of the Senators mystique as Alfie, Neiler and Spezza.

For many Sens fans, the 2013-14 season was the equivalent of the rebound period after a bad breakup. We did some things that were way out of character (playing Neil in the last minute when we’re down by 1, sending Zibanejad down and keeping Da Costa up as camp broke, to name two) and we generally staggered around trying to come to terms with our loss.

Now, it seems like we’re ready to move on. The rink’s getting a fresh coat of paint, the team’s going to see more on-ice changes this summer and we’re going to head into 2014-15 with our eyes on the future – another draft, an outdoor game, new seating configurations in the CTC and perhaps another new captain. Many faces of the franchise’s golden years of the 2000s are gone. It’s time for the centurion to go with them.

The centurion logo is a product of its time. The 90s were full of oddly cartoonish crests and overly-stylized emblems. But when one thinks of iconic logos, one things of the bold and the simple. The spiked B. The winged wheel. Even the hated blue maple leaf.

And many of the Senators’ expansion era brethren have abandoned their initial offerings for something simpler – the Coyotes and Lightning to name but two.  The O logo is iconic. It’s simple. It’s bold. And, as a bonus, it has a connection to history. It’s made it’s way from the shoulder patch of the crest of the alternate jerseys. Now it’s time to take the next step.

Retire the centurion. #GoWithTheO.

  • gladrock

    I’m on board! Out with the old, in with the new. Give Karlsson the C and put a new face on the franchise.

    • Brutus5247

      Got to give the C to a solid 2 way player! Lead by example!!

  • http://www.31digital.ca Spencer Callaghan

    Thanks for the plug. The Senators had the misfortune of being reborn in one of the worst eras for pro sports branding, the early 90s. (Think Raptors and Mighty Ducks, ugh)

    The good news is they now have the ability, and the window, to correct that mistake and reestablish a strong link to the city and the storied Senators franchise.

    There is a reason why all the strongest, most popular, most storied franchises have simple, iconic logos — they are timeless and never look dated. (Yankees, Cowboys, Canadiens).

    Time to ditch the cartoon, which never made any sense anyway, and #GoWithTheO.

  • Millennium

    Good write up, and some good points raised. I’d certainly like to see them move to the Heritage jerseys as their official ones.

  • esk

    All of the things Cyril listed requires $$..where is this coming from? maybe we are a budget team so we can have cash for all these changes

    • Millennium

      I’m sure updating infrastructure is an expenditure that is ultimately tied to salary budget, but there’s probably some cost/benefit investment here to try and get ticket sales back up. Spend money to make money, more or less.

    • Sandy

      The building makes money.. the Team loses money…
      I guess that is where part of the TV revenue is going — into building improvements and not player improvements.
      Maybe Melnyk is hoping to sell the team and the building.. that’s why he’s spending to upgrade it? One can only hope.

  • FistsofNeil25

    Is the “O” almost too simple though? I love our black alternate and white heritage jerseys a lot, and prefer them over our home and away jerseys… but I just feel like the logo may be a little too simple, y’know?

    I really didn’t mind the original 2D centurion. I thought those were pretty classic looking jerseys. The 2D logo was simple, but not too simple, and it wasn’t overly cartoonish like the logo we have now or the red jerseys we sported in 2007. The jersey had the classic trim on the sleeves and around the bottom.

    Whatever the organization decides to do for jerseys I hope they just pick something and run with it. Whatever becomes our home-and away jerseys should stay that way forever. Design a new alternate jersey every few years, but our home and away jerseys should be permanent. Just not the current home and away jerseys lol

  • Conor_smythe

    I hate it when teams change logo’s.. why not just beg for cash on the side of the road

    cause that’s all it is, a cash grab.

    that being said… if they changed it to the O, and then never ever changed it ever again.. ever.. I would be ok with it… but that seems unlikely

    • Zelle

      We already have the two he is talking about though. It’s more like getting rid of one than adding another, no?

  • Guest

    Agreed. Well written.

  • Sensturion

    I fully support this idea. I’ve never agreed with the NHL’s decision to not allow Ottawa to count the original team’s Stanley Cups in their totals (I know they’re different franchises, but technically, so are all the different Toronto teams from that era and yet they all count). Going with the O makes it feel like we’re going back to that era and bringing back a huge part of Ottawa’s history.

  • gist of Leeder’s comments

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  • Deadly

    Hit and run by Subban on Chara..smart move

  • peetypuck

    Since their name is the Senators the logo should be a big S on the front and change our mascot’s name to Lois. haha

  • yannrock

    I agree. It’s time the retire the centurion.
    The new heritage jerseys are much nicer than our current home and away jerseys.
    Time to turn the page

  • Michenator

    Change em! I love the idea of a fresh start with a fresh jersey that has some great history attached to it.

  • Sensturion

    Fuck Subban! Chicken shit! Don’t throw a punch if you’re not going to back it up.

    • Brutus5247

      Doesn’t matter what color he is, he’s an asshole.

      • Zelle

        Careful, you’re not allowed to dislike Subban unless you’re a racist.

        • peetypuck

          I wonder how Iginla felt, hearing his own team’s fans throwing out racist insults about blacks?

          • Zelle

            Hopefully didn’t pay them any mind. Those people don’t deserve any kind of reaction or thought from him or anyone else. If I’m not mistaken this happened the last time the Bruins and Habs met in the playoffs. Pretty disgusting and when I hear it in person I’m more than happy to stand up to it. It’s why I hate being lumped in with them just because I happen to dislike Subban.

          • The Apostle

            I like Subban and would have him on the team in a second. One of the things that the Senators seems to be missing is that arrogance/self belief that Subban has – and more often than not, he does back it up with his performances.

            But whatever anyone might think about Subban, if they don’t see that his reaction to the racist stuff on twitter was exemplary they are probably wilfully blind.

          • Zelle

            I wouldn’t, but it’s not because he isn’t skilled. I just don’t like his attitude towards his opponents and some of his teammates.

            I think anyone who has risen to the best in their profession who’s had ignorant hate thrown at them should be commended. There are many examples and should all be equally praised.

  • Deadly

    Finally showed up.Habs are looking for that late power play that they deserve and get.

    • Sandy

      The comeback coincided when O’Rourke did not give the Habs all of those PPs…
      Another 2 goal lead blown and game lost… It’s been a crazy playoff season for sure.
      Who wins tonight? LA or Anaheim…

      • Sensturion

        Los Angeles. If Dallas gave Anaheim so much trouble, I can only imagine what LA will do.

      • Deadly

        LA is on a roll that should continue tonight. Quick is playing better every game.

        • Sandy

          That they are…
          I think this series will not be for the weak of heart…

  • Deadly

    New series…

  • Deadly

    That must feel like losing two games.

  • Sensturion

    All is well in the world now!

    • Sandy

      “F” the Habs.

  • Sandy

    I wrote this on the other article.
    But since Karlsson is still in Hawaii… I assume he is not playing for Sweden at the World Champsionship which starts in a few days?

    • Deadly

      That works for me. He probably needs a bit of time away from hockey.

  • Zelle

    Approve of this idea 100%! Make it so.

  • Zelle

    lol Methot: “Tough life here so far before before we take off… The towel wasn’t warm enough for me….”

  • Nikola Todorić

    Yup… this is spot on. We have an idiotic logo… #gowiththeO

  • Jakester

    Thx Bruins, work will be so much more bearable Monday!

  • jtf927

    this is a great post and discussion. my favorite logo of all time was the 1990′s sens profile logo. it was compact, simple, and clean. i honestly thought we should have kept that logo, and put it on the newer sens jerseys. i have had a hard time liking the current logo, which looks more like a person. having said all this, i do think it is time to make the “O” our primary logo. the “O” is clean and simple, and it pays homage to our city and and our history as a team. the Senators are a team steeped in history and success, we are the capital of our country, and we need to tap into all those elements. our team has gone through alot of changes, and with the seemingly departure of spezza to happen, it’s time to turn over a new leaf and to put a new stamp on what will be a brand new sens team. i for one, i am in favor of this notion.

    • Jakester

      You said, Turn Over a New Leaf, r u hinting that Spezza is going to Toronto?? Lol

      • jtf927

        lol. well played.

  • Jordan

    I like the centurion but i think it is time to move on from it.

  • Jakester

    Mike Richards looked good in the last minute to tie up the game. Going to OT.

  • Jakester

    WHL Final, Game one tonight. After first period Portland was up 3-0 on Edmonton. Now 3-2 early in the second. Lazar and his teammates battling back.

  • Jakester

    Lazar looks to complete junior season with WHL title
    There are no short cuts, no idle shifts, nothing left to chance in Curtis Lazar’s steadfast approach to eventually landing himself a spot on the Ottawa Senators roster.

    by Ken Warren
    on May 2, 2014
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    There are no short cuts, no idle shifts, nothing left to chance in Curtis Lazar’s steadfast approach to eventually landing himself a spot on the Ottawa Senators roster.

    The way Lazar sees it, the road to the big leagues includes doing all the necessary preparatory work with the Edmonton Oil Kings of the Western Hockey League.

    “What I wanted to do this year was check off enough things at the junior level,” Lazar says, in a telephone interview leading up to the start of the WHL final Saturday against the Portland Winterhawks. “I want to be part of the cornerstone of a team that wins the WHL title, and then, hopefully winning the Memorial Cup. But I don’t want to get ahead of myself.”

    Lazar’s passion has been mixed with a thorough understanding of the process which leads to becoming a professional.

    Week after week during the long WHL season, Lazar, the Senators’ 17th overall selection at last June’s NHL draft, dutifully went through the formal email exchange process Senators management conducts with its prospects. He explained, in precise terms, the areas he wanted to improve and the strides he would take to make himself as complete and well-rounded as possible.

    And then, he went out and did it on the ice.

    Lazar, who turned 19 in February, earned the trust of Canadian coach Brent Sutter at the world junior championships, elevating himself from a role player to front-line status while playing centre, right wing and left wing on the global stage. He helped carry Edmonton to an outstanding regular season and an impressive run through the WHL playoffs, en route to a third straight championship featuring Edmonton and Portland.

    “He’s the most detailed, the most comprehensive of the all the (prospects) we have,” says Senators assistant general manager Randy Lee, describing Lazar’s approach to making himself better. “He’s the most receptive (to feedback) in terms of understanding what it takes. He’s always challenging himself.”

    That helps explain why Senators general manager Bryan Murray, in his otherwise depression-filled post-mortem on the disappointing season, suggested that Lazar “looks like a ready made NHLer.”

    It’s not all about flash. While Lazar’s point totals are impressive (41 goals and 35 assists in 58 regular season games, along with seven goals and 10 assists in 14 playoff games), scoring is only part of the story.

    It’s the bash – the willingness to battle the opponents’ best in the corners and in front of the net and to sacrifice some offence by shutting down top scorers with sound defence – that has him on track to a promising NHL career.

    “It’s pretty easy to cheat on offence, but in the long run, it’s not beneficial to yourself and teammates,” he says. “When I went through a slump during my draft year (2012-13), I saw the game differently. And that set me up well to go to the next level. You’ve got to earn the coach’s trust. I know how to play.”

    What he plays, according to Lee, is a “playoff style game.”

    Lazar, 6-0 and 200 pounds, hasn’t been skating in a bubble. He realizes that change is inevitable for a Senators team that failed to make the playoffs and he’s using Murray’s words as motivation to push himself to be part of the new-look Senators next season, recognizing that “it’s a big summer for me.”

    It could be tricky fall decision for the Senators, too. Considering that Lazar has another year of junior eligibility available, he must be assigned back to Edmonton if he’s not on an NHL roster. In the Senators perfect world, they would like to have the option to send him to Binghamton of the AHL if he’s not quite ready for the NHL.

    For now, though, Lazar’s focus is on finishing out his junior season – and perhaps his junior career – in style.

    Lazar, who turned 19 in February, has already had an impressive career with the Oil Kings. He was barely 16 when he made his debut with Edmonton in 2010-11, playing in four playoff games while Edmonton was swept by a Red Deer squad led by Ryan Nugent-Hopkins. “I was that little kid, you know, baby-faced, wide-eyed and thrown into the action,” he told the Edmonton Journal.

    Ever since, he has filled his junior hockey resume with highlights.

    He already owns a WHL title, part of the 2011-12 Oil Kings squad which defeated Portland. Now in his fourth WHL playoff run, he owns Oil Kings franchise playoff records for the most games played (60) and most goals scored (25). Again, though, it’s not all about the numbers.

    Most star juniors don’t grasp how difficult it is to jump into either the NHL or American Hockey League and most prospects are “one-dimensional” and are “humbled” when they make their first leap into professional hockey, according to Lee. Lazar , however, has a healthy head start on all that, relishing the idea of being responsible at all times, in all areas.

    “It’s rare that (juniors) understand how important it is and he plays right,” Lee said. “He embraced that. He finishes checks. He goes after top players. He really likes that role. He’s flexible. He could play a number of different roles (in the NHL). He thinks big picture.”

    - See more at: http://www.senatorsextra.com/main/lazar-looks-to-complete-junior-season-with-whl-title#sthash.PS2RDt4a.dpuf

    • sprucesens

      exellenct read, thanks! Meant to watch the game tonight, but completely forgot!

    • The Apostle

      Obviously it’s ridiculously early to be staying this sort of stuff about him, but everything I have seen or heard about Lazar suggests a letter on his jersey – and the only reason I didn’t say captain is because eventually they are going to give it to Karlsson.

      • Jakester

        It would be nice if the major networks would show the three league finals , QMJHL,OHL, and especially the WHL.

        • Sandy

          It would be… At least on Centre Ice.

  • HAPPY STAR WARS DAY

    May the Fourth be with you

    • Zelle

      Free comic book day you mean!

  • WaitingSince92

    Go with the “O”-vechkin; Spezza to WSH?!?!

    Sorry, I had to…

    If the next post is about the B-Sens, or our defensive pairings, or Melnyk’s finances, it’ll still be at least 50% about Spezza

  • SensGod

    Doesn’t a re-branding cost money?. I was under the impression that Melnyk was all about the penny pinching right now.

    • sprucesens

      i’m sure it does, until every fan buys a new jersey, hat, socks, scarf, tshirts, coats, hoodies and so on. Then it becomes a massive money maker.

  • Tony

    Great post Joe! Excellent points and I like the idea of turning the page.

    The Hockey News had a story a week ago about having “Game of Thrones” banners. Most of them were pretty cool. Check it out if you haven’t seen it yet.

    http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/the-nhl-gets-game-of-thrones-ized-with-phenomenal-banners-for-every-team/

  • rhume55

    I’m fine with going with the ‘O’, but I think the away jersey needs work. The vintage beige jersey worked for the heritage game, but I think it needs to be whiter to work as the full-time road sweater.

  • Nicholas Rawlins

    Screw the O, we always seem to lose badly while wearing it.

    • Tooks

      Yeah its terribly unlucky, stick with what we have, maybe even bring back the 2D in some way. But the big O, no thx.

  • sprucesens

    congrats turris on 1C on team canada at the worlds. Thats awesome. Speaks volumes. Gotta love the kid

    • Sandy

      Especially since his former coach, Tippett is the head coach… I hope Turris shows Tippett how wrong he was about the skill of Kyle..

    • Zelle

      Where did you read that?

      • sprucesens

        I just saw it on chirp’s twitter feed as the top line with huberdeau and burrows.

  • weak Canuck buck affects cap
    • Jakester

      Melnyk will be getting over 600 million in TV money over the next 12-15 years, so I think all this budget talk and pinch penny is so ridiculous. Sens will spend money on the right players. Players who play the game the right way, guys who only play in one direction unfortunately will have to seek a paycheck elsewhere. That is called smart management.

      • Aaron 2.0

        Unfortunately,I think that sort of oversimplifies what exactly is going on with Melnyk. Alfredsson was the right player, but the money wasn’t there for him…

        • Jakester

          I don’t agree, I wouldn’t have paid Alfie 6 million for this past season!

          • Aaron 2.0

            I agree that at his age, he might not be a 6 million dollar player. Any team would take him at 4 million though (probably more actually). But lets say 4 million. So, the difference we are talking about is maybe in the ball-park of 2 million (in terms of over-payment versus his current skill-set).

            This signing was more important to the organization than 2 million. This city has never retired a number. Alfredsson played most of his career at a discounted price, including a one million cap hit in his final season. So paying him wasn’t really about one season. It was about having a player finish his entire career here, and number quickly raised to the rafters almost the moment he called it quits. The team needed that. Playing hard-ball with Alfredsson was especially devastating to the fan-base. You have to wonder how much that will cost Melnyk in revenues alone over the next number of years.

            And, that doesn’t even get into the league perception of the organization for playing hard-ball with the league’s longest serving captain. Good luck in UFA! You really think this was smart in terms of the money saved?

          • Jakester

            It was terribly handled I agree. To right that wrong, we’ll be forced to hang on to Phillips and Neil, two guys who are way past their best before date! Winning organizations move these guys et the right time and invite them back into the organization when their playing days are over. These are still 2 guys that I would move in the off season. Time to go all in with the youth movement. Keeping Phillips means you have to move 2 of Wiorcioch,Gryba, Boro, and Cowen , you’d have to think.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Yeah, I totally agree that now a compensation is likely occurring due to the initial mishandling. Alfredsson was fairly unique in that his play didn’t drop off like the others. Sure, he’s not as good as he used to be. But, he is one of the few that continues to play at such a high level as he ages. Hence why that signing would of made sense, even if it would be an over-payment. Phillips and Neil on the other hand are regressing much quicker, as is the norm when you get older. Re-upping these two is certainly not wise money, IMO. But, I understand the logic behind it, from a public relations stand-point after # 11 (still don’t like it though).

          • peetypuck

            Obviously Alfie doesn’t give a hoot about whether his number is raised to the rafters. The $2 million is more important to him. He will not have the honour of being the first player of the Sens modern era to be distinguished that way. Chris Phillips looks like he will be the one.
            At this moment, Alfie has earned just under $68 million in the NHL. All but $5.5 million (2013-14) was paid to him by the Senators.

          • Tooks

            “Chris Phillips looks like he will be the one.”

            Oh, isnt that great, retire #4 jersey…why? Could this saga get any worse.

          • A-Train

            Another ridiculous comment from a predictable source. A couple of years of regression toward the end of a very solid career and now it’s a “saga”?

            I don’t really have an opinion on retiring numbers, but this comment is pretty uneducated.

          • Tooks

            Keep cheering for Phillips and remember when he coughs up the puck several times during a game. “Its ok he’s had a good career…”

          • Conor_smythe

            HALF- career.. he hasnt been “good” in past 5 seasons

          • The Apostle

            Retiring the 4 before the 11 would be a new low.

            Haven’t said that I don’t like retiring numbers at all, but that is probably my non North American upbringing coming out.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Dignity and respect were more important to him. He wasn’t shown that in the last round of contract negotiations, after 17 years in the NHL. Now he’s played an astounding 18 years! Assuming your number of 68 million is right, he’s averaged about 3.75 million per year. Obviously, 18 years ago players didn’t make as much as they do now. But, it’s still well known that Alfreddson took pay cuts when this team was in dire straights. Your assertion that all he cared about was money just doesn’t bare out with the facts over his playing career. If that were true he would have left Ottawa a long, long time ago in favour of more money.

          • peetypuck

            $68 million is not my number. I got it from capGeek.
            Murray made a first offer of $3.5 million which is a respectable amount for a 40-41 year old hockey player.( Compare that to Selanne) Alfie never bothered to call back. This was business that they were discussing, nothing personal. I don’t think he had any intention of coming back. He was talking with his Swedish buddies on the Red Wings and was convinced the grass (and money) was greener in Detroit. He just used a passive-aggressive style to get out of Ottawa instead of just stating directly that he wanted to move on.

          • Aaron 2.0

            I don’t think 3.5 million is a particularly respectable offer. Every team in the league would sign him for that little money. All I meant by “using your number” was that I wasn’t going to verify it, and trusted that it was right.

          • peetypuck

            As I stated, $3.5 million was Murray’s first offer. In business/finance you never make your best offer first. If Alfie didn’t understand that his agent certainly did and would have told him. If Alfie was insulted then he was simply looking for an excuse to move on. Passive-aggressive as opposed to being direct.

          • Aaron 2.0

            You seriously believe that management was perfectly open and honest throughout contract negotiations with Alfredsson? I don’t think any connected person has given that account. If ownership and management said up front that due to finances they couldn’t afford to pay Alfredsson what he wanted due to budgetary concerns, the fans (and me) would probably be less irritated by the whole situation. Instead, we were told that Alfredsson was given a blank cheque. And, if account are right, Alfredsson was told he would be compensated if he played that year for 1 million.

          • peetypuck

            Those are the rumours. That doesn’t make them the facts. Do you believe every rumour that you hear?
            Here’s an old sage. “Don’t believe anything you hear and only half of what you see”.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Well then, by the same extension, you’d have to admit you don’t know what happened in contract negotiations either. You’re assuming everything was handled perfectly, when there’s certainly enough circumstantial evidence to suggest otherwise. The inconsistencies about how the negotiations played out, specifically how that story changed over time from ownership/management’s perspective is troubling alone.

          • peetypuck

            Without any facts nobody can assume anything. Alfie moved on and we’ve been left to use our own imagination as to exactly why he did. I love Alfie the player but I cheer for the Ottawa Senators. I wish him all the good in the world in his future endeavors.

          • runningbear1974

            I agree with you… His values weren’t what i thought they were… The fans of Ottawa paid over 60 million for his services… The fans of Ottawa were loyal to him… We loved him, respected him, treated him like a god… He left us for something better, always hurts when that happens, and makes you re-think history… I wouldn’t bother raising his number, there’s no good reason to do so… Detroit can raise his number if they think he’s worth it… Time for the next generation…

          • PraiseAlfie11

            Patrick Roy’s number was retired by the habs.

            If HIS jersey was retired by the habs, Alfie’s can be retired by the sens.

          • Aaron 2.0

            Yes, I absolutely agree it will get there eventually (# 11 in the rafters). I don’t doubt that for a second. It’s just that there was a chance to do this right, which was especially important for such a young organization, IMO. Now, sometime in the future, it will be about righting a wrong.

      • peetypuck

        What Melnyk has to do is get the CT Centre itself to produce more revenue. Bring in more music concerts and other types of entertainment. I wonder how many days/nights it sits empty during the summer months.

    • Aaron 2.0

      I guess it cuts both ways. The cap (& floor) will be lower than initially projected since a lot of revenue comes from the big markets here in Canada (Montreal & Toronto). But, player salaries will cost more too (since they are in American $). Hopefully, there isn’t any tinkering w/ the internal budget due to this. There was speculation the Canadian Dollar might go quite a bit lower, but it’s been relatively resilient lately (decline has sort of stalled, and holding steady).

    • 010101111010101010101010101010

      Hard to say but it will be an excuse when Melnyk doesn’t resign Spezza and Michalik and Hemsky

  • Hax

    OT: Raptors suck.

  • TookieIs100PercentRight

    Negative Joe.
    Bring back the 2D centurion on the home sweaters as a third or something. That’s all that needs be done but no matter how much we ask they never even listen so…
    TOOKS100% OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • A-Train

    Great ChirpED piece. I’m into it. The Centurion’s been a flawed concept from the beginning and none of the tweaks have really made it work.

    2 thoughts though:

    - the beige/heritage probably needs a bit of work before it’s ready for prime time

    - bring back the 2D “Trojan” for a 3rd jersey.

    • xN1Cx

      Agree with the 2D logo for sure – it has always been a favorite. I think it has a real “classic” look as well with the standard white black and red. Curious to know what kind of work you think the white “O” jersey needs?

      • A-Train

        I’m not really a design expert, but the white heritage has a one-off look to it — it’s just hard to picture it on the team every other night. Don’t have the same issue with the black. Maybe it’s as simple as making the off-white a more solid white. I don’t know exactly.

        • xN1Cx

          That’s a good point. i don’t really feel the “classic white” is a lasting looks as an away jersey. A solid white could be nice. I like the suggestion.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    I love the O, since it’s come out I’ve also thought they should change it. Reading this just helps push the idea that much further. Great idea, help spread the word.

    So what happened to Bingo? With the players Ottawa sent back into the fold, I really thought Bingo had a better chance at a long playoff. Good effort guys, maybe next year.

    I think we can all agree that the weakness is goal-tending, but I thought the offense would help shelter it out like it did much of the regular season. In the end, offense doesn’t win you championships, which I think we’ve all seen before.

    Since Lehner was promoted and Bishop was traded away, we haven’t had that “Rock” type of player between the pipes in Binghamton. While Hammond and Lawson did an ok job, they just don’t seem like the duo who will solve the issues in goal. We have a few young guys who very well may change that in Driedger, Brassard and Hogberg, but are any of them ready for a full time roll yet? If Bingo wants to try making a push with it’s current roster (before they are all in Ottawa) they need to sign a quality tender. However, the ship may have sailed already, becuase as most of us speculate, many of the top point producers in Bingo this year, may not be in Bingo next year. I guess we will wait and see.

    • Hax

      The crease is already too crowded though. Didn’t let one of the junior guys’ rights lapse? I suppose they could keep Hogberg in Europe and sign a veteran to play with whichever junior guy they kept (can’t recall which).

    • Brutus5247

      Makes you wonder if some of the NHL guys sent down wanted to be there. I’d say a strong affirmative NO. Ceci -5?

    • Sandy

      No Lawson in net.. he was injured.. so they went with Hammond who is a rookie…
      Hoffman couldn’t be sent down or he would have been lost on waivers to probably Buffalo.
      Puempel got injured the first game (I believe) and didn’t play the rest of the way.
      That’s the two top scorers out..
      They lost to a more experienced WSB team.. Seems Chuck Kobasew just about did the damage all by himself…

  • SensChirp

    On the subject of Binghamton, hoping to have a season review piece from Binghamton expert Joy Lindsay later this week. Keep an eye out for that!

    • timwrx

      Does she write for someone else now? She doen’t do it for the Press & Sun anymore down here.

  • Zelle

    I can’t find where Turris is named the #1C for men’s WHC but assuming this is true, I’m going to guess that MacKinnon will be on his wing? That I would love to see.

    • FistsofNeil25

      According to Brent Wallace on twitter these are the lines from the first two skates.

      Huberdeau-Turris-Burrows
      Kadri-Hodgson-Brouwer
      Chimera-Scheifele-Ward
      Monahan-Reinhart

      MacKinnon, Schenn and Read haven’t skated yet.

      • Zelle

        Thanks for relaying, much appreciated.

        Interesting that Huberdeau is on the wing over Kadri or Monahan seeing as he hasn’t had much of a season. Too bad MacArthur couldn’t go, I would have loved to see this line:
        Mac – Turris – Mack

  • s3nsfan

    Can the draft be sooner please. Man this is gonna be a long ass summer :(

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Caught some of the highlights of the Chicago game, they are SO above the Wild it’s not funny. I’m surprised Colorado had such trouble against Minnesota, I really think the Avalanche would have given Chicago more trouble in the first 2 games if they would have advanced.

    And wouldn’t you know it, Bickell is once again showing Fans why he was a quality signing for Chicago. Proved himself in the playoffs last year and he’s doing it again this year. 8 points in his last 5 games and a major reason why the Hawks have won 6 straight.

    • sprucesens

      also, bryzgalov. makes a big difference.

  • Kirk Muller fired

    somewhere Don Cherry is crying

  • xN1Cx

    Holy! Has anyone seen this? Sorry if so but it really got me laughing this morning. Happy Monday everyone!

    http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o713/ekolb13/qVnsU26_zpsa409190b.gif

    http://i1339.photobucket.com/albums/o713/ekolb13/ibvQhujt7Fskos_zps728df90e.gif

    • s3nsfan

      OMG im howling at the office that is some funny shit!!!! LMAO

      • xN1Cx

        Oh yeah!

        • s3nsfan

          everytime i watch those i laugh, I don’t think it would be as funny if it was anyone else lol

          • xN1Cx

            Haha totally. I just wonder what he’s actually doing…classic heater :)

          • whammer44

            I can’t get enough of that…thanks for posting!

    • SensChirp
      • peetypuck

        Haha, I love how that unattatched left arm moves on its own.

  • 34 NHL coaches fired
    • A-Train

      bi-product of the salary cap and NTC era?

  • sprucesens

    ha, chirp, the tweet about karlsson possibly being on the cover. those are all the worst pictures of all those players, I’ve ever seen. doughty looks like a sex offender! Kessel looks angry/confused as to why he is having his pic taken and Erik just looks like FML.

    • A-Train

      Classic Kessel. Look at the double chin! Talk about a guy who is going to suddenly drop off a cliff stats-wise, probably about 3 years into his 8 year deal.

      • sprucesens

        we can only hope

  • A-Train

    Sorry for the non-Sens post, but….

    The Lucic empty-netter celebration. I heard almost no comment over the weekend, then just now on Hockey Central he’s being praised for it, how it shows his “buy-in” to the Bruins team mentality.

    Don’t get me wrong. I don’t give a f*ck about goal celebrations — brings a little personality to the game. But if the hockey collective is going to get weird about Subban, Hertl, Ovechkin….why exactly does Lucic get a pass? (rhetorical question. i already know the answer).

    • bluebuyyoo

      Not a big fan of it either, but Subban’s was done on the road and Lucic’s was done at home. Like Neil pumping up the crowd after a fight. You would not see him do it on the road.

    • Phil.

      The Hertl situation is different because it was a blow out game. Ovechkin and Subban have a (I believe deserved) reputation for drawing attention to themselves rather than the team. So every following incident is magnified (sometimes undeservingly so).
      Lucic gets a pass because he hasn’t made a habit of it (and it’s the playoffs). I don’t think he would get the benefit of the doubt if it was a 7-1 win during the regular season.

      • A-Train

        Hmmm. Possibly. But all these share the common denominator of somehow “showing up” the other team to celebrate yourself. I’ve seen Lucic over the years do things like this, including the whole “raise the roof” gesture after a fight.

        Again, I don’t really have a problem with any of it. Just wish people would recognize their biases.

        • The Apostle

          I would agree if I thought Lucic was show-dogging himself, but that celebration is all about having a collective identity as a team and being together. It’s got nothing to do with showing up the Habs.

          I remember in the far flung past when my favourite football team weren’t shit and after the 6th goal in a 6-0 win, they all lay on the ground and had the goalscorer mime taking a team photo as part of the celebration. That, I thought, was going too far and basically identified the entire team as complete twats.

          • Millennium

            To me the biggest difference is the Playoffs. Every goal counts, as this year’s first round has shown. It was an important goal to their team’s success. I have zero problems with it.

          • The Apostle

            Agreed, it was the goal that sealed the win after an epic come back. I’d have been fairly chuffed myself.

          • A-Train

            See … and not to single you out, Apostle … but it just seems that Lucic gets the benefit of that interpretation when others don’t.

            The best spin I could put on it is that Lucic is now a veteran with a Cup ring, and that winning it all gives you a bit of license others don’t have. I don’t think that entirely covers it though.

          • The Apostle

            Single me out all you like lol, it’s an opinion and is neither right nor wrong.

            I was just giving you my take on why people aren’t leaping all over him. I don’t think it’s because he’s a Bruin, or a good ole Canadian boy or anything – I think it’s because there was genuinely nothing wrong with what he did.

            The other side of the sameish coin is that Ovechkin and Subban (especially) are already disliked by a high % of the fans of other teams. If Crosby or Cooke or Torres had done it people would be bitching about it too. Or imagine the reaction from Ottawa fans if Heatley had done it…

            I don’t mind what Lucic did, nor have I generally minded what any other player does after scoring a goal.

            Lucic went straight to the fans, he wasn’t gloating, he didn’t turn to a habs player on the ice or the bench and did the same celebration that many other goalscorers on the team did.

  • spoons

    disagree #gowiththecenturion

  • Zelle

    I’m reading the series threads on hf boards and being a third party observer is quite entertaining. Both sides of Boston and Canadiens are basically saying the same things about each other. I now wonder what I missed during last season’s playoffs with the Habs. On the nhl.com boards it was mostly Habs fans talking about how Senators were being completely outplayed in every aspect just Anderson rocked and Price sucked. Then many Senators fans were taunting them. It escalated fast after the Gryba hit, then the Zbad kick goal, and finally the line brawl.

    I have to say so far there isn’t too much drama in the Bruins/Habs series for such a rivalry!

    • Millennium

      hfboards is a cesspool of ignorant people. There are some people who know a bit, but they are usually drowned out by the huge number of people who just have zero comprehension of anything about the game. Its somewhat a byproduct of how big its user base is, and it varies based on the particular sub forum, but in general browsing hfboards just makes me despair for humanity.

      • Zelle

        It’s true but it’s a good time waster when it’s slow around here xD Also all the gifs are fun. I actually have a couple I want to upload.

        • Millennium

          Very true. I waste tons of time there. Like watching a car crash, you just can’t look away.

  • sprucesens

    yay, NHL 15 on next gen coming in the fall. Just in case anyone might have had doubts. I ponder what team the sens will have. Hopefully EK is on the cover…. with a C? Next Gen Games? Next Gen Sens! Should be fun, and interesting

    • Millennium

      beware the curse!

      • sprucesens

        yeah, except 29 teams don’t win the cup, so I don’t think its that big of a deal…

  • Sensturion

    That’s not fair. What if I don’t want to vote for Subban or Kessel?

  • Sandy

    Bruce Garrioch @SunGarrioch · 2h

    Erik Karlsson told Swedish officials earlier this month he wanted to get the rest and wouldn’t play at world championships. #Sens

    • Jakester

      Amen to this!

  • Captain Karl

    I would like to see the Black “O” jerseys as third jerseys, Come up with a red version of the “O” jerseys as regular home and usr the Heritage “O” jersey as regular away. Then I would like to see the Shield arm patches replaced by the 3D centurion on the home jersey, 2D centurion on the away jersey and the Peace Tower logo on the 3rd jersey.
    Oh, and give Karlsson the C.

    • sprucesens

      interesting ideas

  • ProfessorPower

    Well if the Nashville Rumors are true, I only want to add to Spezza and get Shea Weber.
    Spezza+Hemskys Rights+ WIercioch+Condra for Shea Weber (35%) +

    Methot-Karlsson…………Powerplay: Weber-Karlsson
    Cowen-Weber…………………………….Weber-Karlsson
    Philips-Ceci………………………………..Weber-Karlsson

    • Sandy

      Not happening on any level…

    • not YOUR wingman

      What Nashville rumours ?

      You actually think thatr Eugene Pinchpenny is going to agree to picking up Weber’s 100 year / billion dollar contract ?

      • ProfessorPower

        at 35-50% retained, possibly. HIs contract ends when he’s 40 but the last three years are at 1 mil. Retires an Ottawa senator at 37-40 years old.

        • Jakester

          Forget Weber, get Josi and Forsberg like others on here have mentioned.

          • sprucesens

            yay jakester! i’ve got you on board! spread the word to murray! lol. and yeah, weber is out of the question.

          • Jakester

            I like Weber but I think that his contract is a little ridiculous. You get a good D-man plus a future power forward. I’d even give more than Spezza which I think is a given. The trading of Spezz if done right will set this team for the future.

          • sprucesens

            yeah, i love weber, but we’d be giving turris+ for that to happen. My trade was wiercioch and spezza for josi and forsberg. posted it a few times and a link to the capgeek roster i made. I think i also traded, cowen, prince and da costa for bogosian in that scenario.

          • Jakester

            I think Cowen gets traded this summer too, I really believe it. I had Spezza plus for Voynov and Toffoli. I like Cowen to Tampa in a deal involving Connolly, he’d be a steal cuz he’s about to come into his own. Will be a fun summer for Speculators. I think Stewart is on his way from Buffalo too, too much smoke for there not to be a fire.

          • Jakester

            http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=19GqQRNKzag&list=PL_r6N9g_Zsh30Y5lXhZ8VMKIod5Pewe6m

            Come on Tampa if you aren’t going to play him, what can we give you to Release the Connolly. Would be a coup like getting TURRIS.

          • Jakester

            http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TB2VRW7IriE

            Look at this B-Sens footage against Syracuse this year. Connolly gets 2 goals but it’s the second one that shows you the power and skating ability and skill of this high draft pick! For some strange reason he isn’t playing in Tampa. This is the type of guy Murray should be targeting, just like he did TUrris.

      • sprucesens

        i think there was interest speculated by one of the tsn insiders, naming St Louis, Anaheim, LA and Nashville as the top teams interested right now.

      • Hax

        I think it’s funny when people toss this out – the idea that Melnyk doesn’t want big contracts. Melnyk doesn’t care as long as Murray sticks to the “internal budget”. If Murray wants Weber all he has to do is agree to cut salary elsewhere. Still not getting him though.

        • WaitingSince92

          That’s a lot of budget to cut, especially if you’re talking $, not cap hit, which I believe is what the Euge is so damn concerned about.

          • Hax

            Yes and yes. Obviously Weber is the extreme example since (I think) he’s the highest paid player out there in terms of actual out-of-pocket cash right now.

    • WaitingSince92

      We should put an end to any/all Weber talk. I mean, who doesn’t want Weber?

      There’s no way in hell Melnyk agrees to acquire that salary. Not even a 1% chance. Might as well be an impossibility.

  • Simple Jack

    i wouldn’t give karlsson the c, spezza isnt going anywhere during the summer either is ryan. anderson will stay and he should, these rumors are just that and are dumb to begin with.

    • Jakester

      Spezza’s gone dude!

    • Deadly

      Deny ,deny ,deny….how to get through any situation.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      Well Simple Jack…I suspect you are in for a tough summer

    • Jakester

      I’d give the C to our number one center who has just arrived in Zurich!

      • Zelle

        Karlsson, Ryan, Turris, Mac, all good choices I think.

        • Jakester

          Would lean towards 7 or 65.

          • Zelle

            Same here, but I like all of their game, work ethic, and how they speak to the media.

          • Jakester

            I agree.

    • sprucesens

      when multiple sources that generally only share info if its true, confirm that spezza indeed has asked to see if there is options out there for a trade, i would take their opinions over yours. No offense. Every other year, yes the spezza rumours have been there just to be there, this year, certainly doesn’t seem that way. The rest i’m sure hoping will stay.

    • aegiszx

      Yeah, just like Alfie wasnt going anywhere, right? Never say never in the world of sports.

    • Hax

      Might want to change your handle to Naive Jack.

      Just sayin’

    • WaitingSince92

      Every summer, they say Spezza will be traded and he isn’t.

      If you can’t see why this year is different from mere heresay and conjecture (KINDS of evidence!), then you really deserve your name…

      • WaitingSince92

        Plus there’s never been such a great market for him. Lots of good teams with expendable assets that could reasonably see Spezza as putting them ‘over the top’ (as opposed to being a cornerstone of the franchise.

        • runningbear1974

          Feels like there’s tons of teams that would be interested in Spezza…

  • Zelle

    Two back to back game shutouts for Fleury. WTF Rangers?

    • Sandy

      5 games in 7 nights for the Rangers during the playoffs.. is beyond ridiculous.
      Gives the Pens an advantage for sure.

      The mental mistakes by the Rangers…

      • Zelle

        That must be it. They look slow and tired. Not throwing any hits. Barely any pressure and when they do put pressure they can’t finish.

      • Hax

        If the Rangers didn’t want to play so many games in so few nights they should have eliminated the Flyers more quickly. No sympathy.

        • The Apostle

          Also the group that owns them could stop scheduling concerts at MSG in the first couple of weeks of the playoffs.

          • Hax

            Good point by you.

  • Jakester

    What the F Happened to Methot?

    • Zelle

      I was wondering why he didn’t skate for the two practices. I hope it’s not serious.

    • Sandy

      Not good if it’s a serious injury.
      I feel bad for him.. He was so looking forward to playing in the Worlds…
      Long flights…

    • Hax

      Back injury – from the sounds of it the injury is the sort where he simply doesn’t want to risk playing. i.e. if it were the regular season or something he might play/practice through it. Hopefully we’ll know more in a couple of days after the Sens doctors have a look at him. I’d be shocked if it lingers enough to even interrupt his off season training.

  • FistsofNeil25

    So Turris and MacKinnon are set to play together on the first line at the worlds. Sick!

    • Zelle

      Amazing I was hoping this would happen..! Hopefully a little more light shines on Turris.

      • runningbear1974

        I would love Turris to be our Captain for the next 20 years :) The next generation…

        • Dirk-Diggler

          maybe not 20 years… but 13-15 would be good

          • runningbear1974

            If he can become addicted to working out, then maybe… Just maybe he can do it…

  • Dirk-Diggler

    If Spezza is traded I’d like the Sens to go a little off the board and give the C to Ryan! Then the A’s will go to Karlsson and Turris.

    Bobby Ryan just seems like the happy go lucky guy that everyone and their mothers love. I think he’s dying for a team to appreciate him and if the Sens do give him the C he’d wear it proudly and live up to it.

    Also, I hope they extend him for 8 years at $7.0 per season

    • FistsofNeil25

      They aren’t going to remove the A’s from Phillips and Neil unfortunately and I can’t really see them giving a letter to Bobby before Karlsson or Turris.

      The think we’re most likely to see Phillips get the C for the next two seasons (sigh) with Neil and Karlsson/Turris getting the other A’s.

      If it were up to me, I wouldn’t name a captain before someone earns it. I’d give A’s to Turris, Karlsson, MacArthur/Ryan/Methot and see who emerges as the real leader on the team… but we’ll see Phillips and Neil wearing letters as long as they’re playing for this team.

      • runningbear1974

        Too bad about Phillips and Neil because i don’t see them as the identity of this team… At least not going forward… I’m pretty sure we’ll be looking back and regretting making Phillips the captain… There’s no value to making him the captain… It’s just a polite thing to do for him, but doesn’t help the team, the organization, or the fans…

        • FistsofNeil25

          Hopefully it doesn’t happen.

          • runningbear1974

            It bothers me a little that he feels he deserves it… Is he like Rocky waking up 6am, drinking eggs and jogging and working out like crazy? I don’t think so… I think he’s relaxing, thinking he deserves it… That bothers me… Does anybody want our young players to play like Phillips? He was good enough… That’s it, never excelled….

          • FistsofNeil25

            Really? I don’t think it’s because of a lack of work ethic. Phillips doesn’t strike me as a lazy person. I think the decline in his play the last couple of seasons is simply due to natural regression.

            And I wouldn’t say he never excelled. There were a few seasons where he was considered one of the best shutdown defensemen in the league, and his pairing with Volchenkov was heavily leaned upon to play against the oppositions best forwards every night.

            Even Sidney Crosby once referred to Phillips as one of the toughest defenders to play against in the league. Unfortunately, those times are long gone and he’s at best a 6/7 defenseman now.

            I think it’s ridiculous to say he’s lazy and that he never excelled.

          • runningbear1974

            Ok, i’m sorry… I agree at one time he was really good against whoever had the puck, one on one (be it Crosby or Ovechkin, i completely trusted him)… But, that’s it… He always sucked at passing the puck… And he always sucked at covering the guy who didn’t have the puck…
            I’m not exactly saying he’s lazy… I just don’t think he understands the work level of the elite players… I noticed Alfie getting stronger and stronger… He’s probably the strongest he’s ever been, today… But, not Phillips… Anyway, just my opinion… I just don’t know what he’s doing that makes him think he would deserve to be the captain…

          • Millennium

            Phillips strikes me as the kind of player that looked much better before the “new nhl” when things sped up, clutching and grabbing started getting called, and skill started outweighing size. Some (a lot) of players adjusted to the new reality, but I don’t think Phillips ever did. He’s still playing the game the way it was played 15 years ago, and it makes him look like a dinosaur.

          • runningbear1974

            i agree…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Phillips’ best seasons of his career were the first few in the “new NHL”. From the 2005/2006 up until around 2009/2010 was when he was at his best. It’s been the last 4 season where he has really regressed more and more each year.. but that’s natural. Players of his ilk regress in their mid 30′s.

          • WaitingSince92

            Agreed about everything.

            COuld be wrong, but I think Crosby actually said Phillips was THE hardest D to play against. Credit where it is (was) due.

            I was hoping we’d trade Phillips pretty much all of the last three years. Not because he wasn’t useful (for the first of those three, maybe the second), but because it was the last time to get a good return for a mediocre player.

          • FistsofNeil25

            This year should have been the time to trade him. I honestly think that re-signing Phillips was a demand from Melnyk. Maybe he didn’t want to face any more backlash from losing another long-time Senator and community figure after what happened with Alfie last summer. I don’t know. Any other explanation just doesn’t make sense.

          • WaitingSince92

            I doubt it. I don’t see Eugene as that kind of meddler, as much as we’d like to. I just think Murray got burned by expecting young D to be ready for big roles. taking out Phillips, as bad as he can be, really compounds that problem. Not saying I agree with that, but it’s one viable explanation. Think of all the young D we expected would make big strides this year…

          • FistsofNeil25

            I know, but Phillips was just as bad if not worse than all of them with maybe the exception of Cowen. And I absolutely see Eugene as that kind of meddler, and I’m sure he’s not the only owner in the NHL that doesn’t meddle from time to time.

        • Dirk-Diggler

          Phillips signing just makes me so mad. The 2nd year is even worse. Him and Neil are not the players they once were and now are 4th line and 3rd pairing material. It’s sad to see the organization latch onto these guys still.

          Hopefully the Greening-Smith-Neil line is broken up at next year because one or two of those pieces are playing elsewhere. Ideally Smith being the priority to be retained from that trio.

          • runningbear1974

            There’s plenty of topics for conversations… I think Greening is a solid addition to a trade… Spezza, Phillips, and Greening… Or Cowen, Spezza, Greening… Those are 3 big bodies, that some weak team could use…
            - Smith i can see putting on the 2nd line, or on the wing, or 3 line, on 4th line, but i’m thinking he’s a bit of a waste on the 4th line unless rolling through 4 lines… His thing is he’s got big enough body and can play good number of minutes… I would consider promoting him to 2nd line… GIve him a good winger… Let Stone Hoffman and Zibanejad be the 3rd line…

          • FistsofNeil25

            Zack Smith as a second line center. Hilarious.

          • runningbear1974

            He played really well with Alfie and Michalek… He can play lots of minutes… And the purpose would be to insulate Zibanejad’s line… And he would be 2nd away and 3rd at home…

          • FistsofNeil25

            What do you want out of your second line? Offense? That’s what I want. Now who’s better at producing offence, Zack Smith or Mika Zibanejad?

            Smith as a second line center is a joke.

          • runningbear1974

            Wouldn’t matter too much… 2nd line and 3rd line get different minutes home and away… He can play a lot of minutes is what i’m saying… I’m expecting offense from the top 3 lines.. Even the 4th line if we put Pageau there… I feel the 3rd line is the line that gets the insulated ice coverage, and i feel Zibanejad and his rookie wingers would benefit best from that… Smith is used to playing against the other team’s top line… Just a thought… You know, some conversation…

          • FistsofNeil25

            When has he ever demonstrated that he can play a lot of minutes? You want your second line center to play around 18 minutes a night. He averaged 15:31 this season which was the most in his career.

            He’s an average third line player in the NHL. He’s not a second line player. Smith wouldn’t even be the second line center on Buffalo man.

          • runningbear1974

            Well, it sure looked like he was playing lots of minutes…

          • FistsofNeil25

            15:31 is a ton? You think he can handle the minutes and competition that Spezza and Turris played this year?

          • runningbear1974

            Yeah with better linemates… I want well rounded players that can play in EVERY situation… No more of this 1 dimensional bullshit… We need to develop our players that way… Maclean should be able to put anybody on the ice in any situation and know what to expect…

          • FistsofNeil25

            I don’t see how Smith is well rounded though. He’s pretty average across the board. I like him and I want him to stay with the team, just not in a top six role. I think that’s absolutely ridiculous.

            If we don’t acquire another top six center via trade or free agency, that second line center spot belongs to Zibanejad. He’s the one that deserves the better linemates, more minutes and increased responsibilities. He’s a better player than Smith already. Plain and simple.

          • runningbear1974

            He would become more well rounded by giving him this role…

            Yes, Zibanejad is a much player now, and will always be much better than Smith… So, if you want to give Smith this kind of development effort it would have to happen this year, or it will never happen…

            Smith isn’t critical element to this team, but we could improve his value to this team… If willing to put the development effort…

            You sure do say ridiculous a lot… I enjoy talking through hypothetical situations… It’s not ridiculous to me, it’s fun…

          • Sandy

            You can’t give the 2nd line centre to Zibby just yet…. Next season will be his first full season in the NHL.. Let him develop on the 3rd line… and hopefully.. if Spezza is traded.. another centre is the return or you get one on the UFA market..

          • FistsofNeil25

            You can’t give the second line center to Smith. He has more NHL experience than Zibby but he has nowhere close to top six skills in the NHL.Ideally I would like to see another center added to the team capable of playing on the first two lines.

          • Dirk-Diggler

            I think Smith would be a good 4th line C and has shown to be terribly misplaced anywhere else in the lineup. I’d rather the top 3 lines can score. The 4th line should be something like Hoffman-Smith-Condra that sees about 7-9 mins of even strength and each of them take regular shifts on the PK.

          • runningbear1974

            My opinion is there’s no value to putting him on the 4th line with those kinds of minutes… If you’re going to do that, then might as well play Grant and trade Smith…

          • Dirk-Diggler

            I like Smith don’t get me wrong but he’s not a guy that should be playing big minutes. He will never score 25 goals and put up 30 assists with that. That’s what Mika is expected to do year over year starting in the next season or two. With Turris being 30 goals and 40 assists. Smith will be expected to contribute 8-12 goals and 10 assists/

          • runningbear1974

            I see Turris and Zibanejad as the core of this team… They are the 2 centers that matter…
            I think Smith can carry big minutes, he got stuck all last year with Greening and Neil… I bet you, if you give him Hoffman and Condra as linemates he’ll get at least 15 goals… Give him Ryan and Macarthur as wingers and he’ll probably get 25 goals…
            My plan… Play him 2nd line minutes throughout the year… Let Zibby work his way up… Then in the playoffs, switch them up… Give more responsibility to ZIbby and less Smith…

          • Dirk-Diggler

            If you saddle Ryan and MacArthur with Smith then they will have bad years. However, Smith will have his best year.

            Also, Smith is way too undisciplined. He takes so many stupid penalties in the offensive or neutral zone.

            Zib needs the minutes to develop.

          • runningbear1974

            I agree… The bad thing about this year is that Zibanejad didn’t get the development attention he deserved…
            I think Smith takes stupid penalties because he thinks it’s part of his role… Given more responsibility i think that would reduce…

          • WaitingSince92

            Unfortunately, no GM shares your opinion on Greening, or we would have shipped him out already. Anybody who has done their homework on Phillips knows he’s a detriment at this point. Smith is at best a 3rd line center (at BEST), not a 2nd. I think he’s a natural 3rd line center when he’s playing well, but if you remember correctly, he didn’t really have any chemistry when MacLean played him with practically every possible combination of players earlier in the year.

          • runningbear1974

            I think fans too hard on Greening… If you look at his stats… He’s 6’3″. 210lbs … I think that’s what GMs look at.. If another GM is looking for a roster player… Greening is such a person… But, from the sounds of everyone I guess would could add Smith to a trade too…
            Phillips is at least as good as Regehr, and LA seems to think he’s good enough… So, maybe someone would want Phillips…
            I don’t actually remember that about Smith this year… I only remember him with Neil and Greening, and remember thinking how these guys don’t generate any offensive chances at all…
            I know everyone thinks that about Smith… But, i think if you were to give him that role he wouldn’t be too bad… He wouldn’t be as good as Malkin that’s for sure, but I think it’s an environment in which he would improve…. Again, for the purpose of insulating Zibanejad and his rookie linemates…
            I feel we need to wait a year for Lazar and Puemple to join the team, and that’s going to be our good team…

          • Zelle

            Smith generates plenty of chances for a fourth line. Problem is Greening and Neil can’t finish them.

          • runningbear1974

            Ok, crazy thought… Pageau, Smith, Da Costa… On the 4 line?

            Smith, Da Costa, Pageau…

          • Zelle

            I heard that Greening got some interest at the trade deadline?

          • FistsofNeil25

            Murray was probably feeding us a bunch of b/s to try and generate some interest for him. If anyone wanted Greening at the deadline he would have been traded.

          • Zelle

            I don’t know, I mean last season was bad for him, as runningbear1974 mentions above. Teams might be willing to look beyond that and trade for the value of potential, kind of like what happened with Turris. I personally don’t believe he will get traded but you never know. Team is a bit light on LW it seems.

          • runningbear1974

            With all the bad talk about Smith, might as well trade him…

            I think a 4th line of Greening, Pageau, and Condra would be perfect…

          • Zelle

            I hope they don’t trade Smith he’s great. I know it’s not the popular opinion but he’s a great bottom six guy, just needs a bit more discipline.

          • FistsofNeil25

            Come on man. No one is talking bad about Smith. We’re only saying he isn’t a second line center. As I’ve said this entire time, he’s a good player and I want to see him stay with the team, just not as a top six player lol no one is talking bad about the guy.

          • runningbear1974

            Alright, i’m exaggerating… But… I do think that if Greening not tradeable asset and Smith is, then might want to consider that, if we don’t think he has room for improvement… If he can only handle 4th line minutes, that’s a limitation because lots of players can do that… So, can he do 3rd line role well? If not, then lets trade him… Ideally, the 3rd line guy is actually a 2nd line guy, but the 2nd line guy is better than him… I might be saying if he can’t play 2nd line role then we should trade him… But, i don’t want to commit to hard to that statement…

          • runningbear1974

            He’s fine… Look at other teams… This was a bad year for the whole team… He’s absolutely tradeable… I’m sure we could have gotten Hemsky at the beginning of the year for him…

      • Senatollah

        You dont give the C’s and A’s based on seniority. If the coaching staff who are in the room everyday think a new direction is needed they will assign it to the right person. If Ryan is signed long term maybe it makes sense. Might be good to have someone who isnt so intense as the captain. Maybe the refs will gain a little respect for the sens since the old captain was known for barking over nothing

      • WaitingSince92

        True and unfortunate about Neil and Phillips. If they get their A’s stripped, then they’re not “leaders” and if they’re not leaders, what are they their for?

      • runningbear1974

        Is there any way we could trade Spezza, Neil, and Phillips? That would give us more flexibility for next year…

    • runningbear1974

      Yeah, I agree about Ryan… He’s someone to look up to… And, i can see him appreciating it…

      • WaitingSince92

        I’d like to see 3 A’s to start the season.

        • WaitingSince92

          One on Ryan, one on Karlsson because they are our future. Turris is almost there, Zibby a little behind him. Third A I’d put on MacArthur because he leads by example. Forechecks as hard as anyone and backchecks just as hard as he forechecks!

          • WaitingSince92

            Methot would be in consideration too.

          • runningbear1974

            I have a whole development/mentorship program in my head…
            Turris mentor #1… He gets all the lithe guys… Fast skilled but can’t take too much punishment…
            Ryan mentor #2… He gets all the tough guys… People who like to hit and get hit…
            Methot mentor #3… Structure maintaining D…
            Karlsson mentor #4… Structure breaking D…

          • runningbear1974

            Turris:= Macarthur, Hoffman, Pageau, Condra

            Ryan:= Zibanejad, Stone, Puemple, Lazar

        • runningbear1974

          Not a bad idea… A sort of team first concept…

  • Dirk-Diggler

    To NJ:
    - Spezza
    - Boro

    To Ott

    - Larsson
    - Matteau

    Thoughts?

    • runningbear1974

      I’m glad you’re not including Wiercioch in a trade…

    • WaitingSince92

      A lot of fans don’t care what conference he is dealt to – they will say take the best available package. Mark my words, if you’d like, but he will not be dealt to an eastern conference team.

      We could probably get a better return from STL, LAK, NSH or ANA anyway.

  • FistsofNeil25

    New post up!