ChirpEd- Where Do They Go From Here?

SensChirp January 20, 2014 110
ChirpEd- Where Do They Go From Here?

WRITTEN BY SENSCHIRP READER- BOOM

What now?

In a season where we have witnessed the Sens playing as well as they possibly can, and as poorly as they possibly can – sometimes in consecutive nights, it seems like opinions of where this team is, and in which direction they should be going are as varied as the results have been thus far.

Optimists point to the emergence of some of their younger players into more prominent roles, and the promise of more prospects on the horizon. It can’t be denied that players like Turris and Zibanejad up front, and Ceci and Boroweicki on the back end, have shown that the future is bright in the nation’s capital.

Pessimists point to the apparent decline in players who, for the most part, make up the leadership core of this group. Spezza, Phillips, Michalek, have all had disappointing seasons, so far, and show no signs of improvement. Pessimists will also point to the disappointing seasons of a couple of defensemen who were counted on to be regulars this year – Wiercioch and Gryba. (What is interesting, however, is how the coach handles these players, but that may be a story for another day…)

Given the inconsistencies noted above, I guess the question revolves around what type of move would you prefer the Sens try to make? Should they make a move that they feel gives them a legitimate chance at the cup this year, and give up prospects (similar to the Bobby Ryan deal)? Or, should they go for more of “long term” strategy and try to strengthen themselves where they see a current weakness.

Some would suggest that the glaring need is for a top 4 D – should they (can they?) package together some players/prospects and try to make this happen? Recent quotes from GM and, to a lesser extent, the owner, suggest that the organization is willing to spend money NOW in an effort to make a run at the cup before Bryan Murray term is up.

My question is – should they? I guess it comes down to where you think the Senators are, in terms of being legitimate contenders. How many players away are we?

Are we close enough yet?

  • SensChirp

    Senators are on the ice for practice at 11:00 AM this morning. Will pass along any updates as they become available.

    • NickofTime

      Stone fell into the boards at practise 7 seems to have hurt his hand/wrist & will not join the team on their road trip for at least the first game tomorrow night.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    I still think we are a top 4 d and top 6 FW away from being legitimate….I honestly think Winnipeg is where we should be looking. Ladd or Kane would look pretty good, and Buff maybe an option…although I think I prefer him at FW for us.

  • Eugenius

    How many players away are we? I’m going with 3. 2 Top 6 Forwards (could make an argument for Top 9), and 1 Top 4 Dman. Milan is out, which makes room (financially) for 1 Top 6 Forward. Realistically the other two players will likely cost 4-6 mil/year each. Here’s to hoping Eugene will, at some point in the near future, be ok with that….if we seriously want to compete with the Bostons, Anaheims, and Chicagos of the league (in the playoffs), we’re easily 3 players away.

  • CUP 2014-15

    Thanks Chirp and good timing to take a look at what this team may need. Should they look to make another Bobby Ryan type move with a package of three young prospects for one, I am good with that as the team is so young at the top level already that there is not enough room for the kids coming. If we could bring back a 24-27 year old top line player and need to say good-bye to PW, Puemple, Prince and another young roster player, I like it. So too would Boro, Gryba Cleasson, Stone and other young guys caught in this numbers game. Should we look to move three youngsters for a Vet, no way, not interested. As my handle would dictate, my believe from the start of the rebuild was that we would be there next year.

  • Rick

    Bobby Ryan is not on the ice at practice this morning

  • SensChirp

    Mark Stone took a bit of a spill at practice this morning apparently. Left the ice favouring his wrist. Bobby Ryan also absent. Hopefullye both are good to go in Washington.

    • MethotToMyMadness

      Oh man, really? He made a much better showcase of his talents this time around, but It just seems that Stone finally gets a break to crack the roster and something bad happens. If he is injured, how many times is this now?

  • MethotToMyMadness

    I would agree that a top 6 and a top 4 would be worth acquiring. But the real question is who comes and what goes the other way? And the biggest question is, should it wait till next year, or do they push it now and try there damnedest to get into the playoffs?

    If we keep missing the opportunities to snag a W when securing a spot (as brief as it may be) in the wild card, it’s just going to keep getting harder. Those loses play a killer mind trick on the players.

    I have a hard time myself trying to judge what our own players and prospects are worth. We, as Sens Fans and Armchair GM’s have this notion that all prospects are untouchable. But the fact of the matter is, anyone could be packaged up (depending on contracts obviously) and if BM and the management feel it’s the right move, it’ll be done. I’m finding myself more interested in what happens before the deadline, then I’ve ever been.

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      I say for FW we target E Kane(yeah yeah I know I said it before)

      Something like what got us Ryan should pull it off.

      Maybe

      Stone(from Winnipeg isn’t he?)
      Boro(1-way contract next year)
      2015 1st round

      for

      Kane
      +3rd

      I have a feeling we would have to toss another piece in there to get it done…maybe drop the 3rd coming back?

      • sprucesens

        I think they would need a guaranteed roster player going back. Something like greening, or if a D, maybe wiercioch or gryba. Someone they’ve seen perform in the NHL, that will by no means fill the void, but is a guarantee to play in the NHL, if the prospects don’t pan out. Similar to why we didn’t trade 3 prospects not on the team, for ryan. They needed a guy like silfverberg who has shown he can compete in the NHL. Swap boro for greening, and maybe drop the 3rd, and it might be enough. At least it gets the ideas flowing. Who knows, maybe they’d prefer a goalie prospect in that spot too.

  • MethotToMyMadness

    Lots to say today, so here’s my last note for a few minutes, lol. I love the fact that Ottawa is heading back on the road. They just seem to have a better time playing when not on home ice. I don’t have the stats in front of me, but I think they are doing better on the road, the Wheel house hasn’t been working well for them this season.

  • Cicero

    We have a lot of things going well since the Christmas break, and are in the luxurious position of having a lot of talented young players who are developing. A year ago at this time, we weren’t looking at Zibenejad, Ceci, and Stone as regulars, but as future hopefuls. I’ve been vocal about holding fast — let’s not trade away youth too hastily but instead ride along this bumpy road and let the best course be revealed.

    But user ‘CUP 2014-15′ made a very good point in one of my previous comments: (I parahprase) We have too many bodies coming up through the system. We’ll definitely need to make room for these young up-and-coming players, like Pageau, Lazar, Puempel, Prince, Hoffman, and of course Borowiecki, Claesson, Wikstrand, Rutkowski — a long list of young talent that needs to be cultivated.

    The longer we wait to trade, the longer the log-jam in front of the upwardly mobile youth. But then again, many of the above names need to be acclimatized in Bingo and nurtured into the Sens’ System.

    The situation with contracts will probably be the dictating factor for ‘what’s to be done now?’. Would Murray deal youth for a high-priced forward and possibly a D-man too, knowing that he’s taking on a big expense? They’d have to be short-term rentals, and there’s some cap room for this.

    But trading away youth prospects for short-term rentals doesn’t make sense unless it’s for a legitmate championship run. So I don’t see any big moves before the Olympic break and likely not before the March trading deadline.

    • sprucesens

      I don’t think we go after too many rentals. Maybe a D rental, but we’d have to be moving out current D either in that deal, or another, so it might be a long shot. Unless the price is low on a rental, I can’t see murray trading away too much for a chance this year. Next year could be a different story however. But yes, we have a lot of quality prospects all looking for ice time, and that’s what murray has hinted at moving. Probably another 3 for 1 deal. But it’d be similar to the ryan deal, where there is at least a couple of years guaranteed. That’s why Kane is such an attractive option. I think we will be losing 3 prospects on your list over the next year. Either via trades, or to our own team(which is good). Can only have so many prospects for so long. And its a good problem to have.

  • SensChirp

    — Ian Mendes (@ian_mendes) January 20, 2014

  • SensChirp

    Craig Anderson gets another start vs. Washington

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      OMFG Such bullshit.

    • SENSsmile

      Christ almighty! Is this being done on purpose to piss off everyone?

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      It honestly has to be showcasing….it HAS to be

    • Jacques

      Anderson has been bad – C’mon put Lehner in!

    • Sensnation

      They’re not only letting the better goalie sit on the bench, they are destroying any trade value Anderson may have by running him out there to let bad goals in game after game.

      I’ve come to the point where the only reason they would be doing this is to keep Lehner’s games down this year for contract renewal time. Then once they’ve resigned him to a cap/budget friendly figure they can play him all they want.

      • SENSsmile

        I’m afraid you may be right. How is Lehner supposed to feel about that? I’m sure he’s a pretty intelligent young man.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        It has to be some sorta behind the scenes thing

    • bluebuyyoo

      Just saying…

      Going back to Dec. 21, with Anderson in goal, the Sens have points in 9 of 10 games (6-1-3). Lehner’s last 10 games have been 2-7-1.

      • Sandy

        Most of Lehner’s 10 games were when the team was playing crappy hockey.. He was getting something like close to 50 shots against a night..
        His last game.. which was since the team turned it around.. was a shutout on the road.
        I don’t like the choice of Andy for this game.
        Price won the game for Mtl… but Andy lost it for Ottawa. Andy was not good against the Rangers.. but then again.. the rest of the team wasn’t any good either…

    • CUP 2014-15

      Mac may be playing the numbers with Andy’s record in Wash but who the hell knows.

  • runningbear1974

    Line 1) There’s nothing wrong with the Turris line.. Perfect balance of skill, speed, grit, puck possession…

    Line 2) Zibanejad… Seems like working out with Conacher… Michalek has looked best there… Problem is his amount of ice time… I think could improve on Michalek, but i think Stone could be that improvement… So, Conacher, Zibanejad, and Stone… Not bad…

    Line 3) Spezza… Problem is not exactly clear what he needs to be successful… Needs another Heatley, Alfie combo… Go back to the Michalek, Spezza, Greening line…

    Line 4) Smith… Another possible perfect line… I particularly like the Greening, Smith, Condra… Neil can replace one of those guys…

    So, offensively we’re fine mostly… Except for Spezza… He might need a winger, but anybody have any ideas? The more ice time Spezza’s line gets, the less that Zibanejad gets…Who can possibly play with Spezza? I wish we would have tried Pageau with him, just for fun…

    Defense…
    I only rely on Methot, and Ceci… (and Gryba when playing with Methot).. That’s it.. All the other ones are shaky..
    By shaky i mean unreliable with the puck… May make random bad decision at any time…
    Yeah could use improvement… But the GM knew this, and decided to give the young guys experience rather than bring in an expensive veteran (Gonchar)…
    That’s where we’re at, wait for them to gain experience, could be 1 month, could be 3 years…
    We would be extremely lucky to get a good mostly young defense. If available yeah grab him, but good quality players are rarely available…

    • Brad Bernatchez

      Heatley and Alfie are free agents next year haha

  • Floridasensfan

    Love the way we played Montreal, even though a loss we played well, a bit better defensive play including the goalie and it’s a different outcome.

    defensive is where we seem to struggle the most, kind of wish PM would ride the hot hand in goal whoever that is at the time.

    I hope CP is gone after this year, just getting old, not his fault he is declining.

    Michalek as well but we need a replacement and a serious upgrade there.

    best thing this year for us would be us being sellers at the deadline for CP and Michalek.

    • SENSsmile

      Agreed. I think it would be premature to make any kind of run this year. I would hope that Murray will want to stay the course and keep focusing on the rebuild. I don’t really care about a “logjam” of good prospects mentioned by other posters today. The team needs to take its time and give prospects a chance to prove themselves.

  • Hax

    Considering our biggest issue seems to be consistency, I’m a bit wary of any major trades. And I am on record as saying I don’t think this is the year to “go all in” as Melnyk puts it. I think next season is the earliest we should be doing anything that could be considered “mortgaging our future”.

    In terms of needs, top 4 is way ahead of anything else IMO. Not sure how the org feels about Methot but I still consider him and Karlsson the locks there. Plus Cowen by next season though he’s struggled this year. After that you’ve got a bunch of guys that are, at best, strong bottom pairing D. Phillips, Gryba, Wiercioch, Borowiecki.

    Ceci is the only one I didn’t list above and while I think he’s great and currently locked into our top 4, I’d much rather see him spend next season in the bottom pairing due to having better/veteran guys ahead of him.

    At forward, any team in the NHL could use another top 6 guy and we certainly need to replace Michalek (or resign him if that’s the best move).

    It terms of how many players away we are, we should keep in mind that we’re one goalie in excess right now. Murray can play that one of two ways. He can use non-roster assets to get the top 4 we need and run with two goalies next season. But that means we either let Anderson walk for nothing or resign him and trade Lehner. Which I’m not a fan of. I’d much rather go with option 2 which would be to trade Anderson this summer to get the top 4D and run with Lehner next season. Definitely would need a better than average backup with lots of experience though.

  • Hax

    Hopefully Stone is okay. Last thing that kids needs is another injury to slow his progress. Or worse to get the “always injured” label.

    • CUP 2014-15

      He is not joining the team on the trip

      • Zelle

        What happened to Stone? I was at the game Saturday I must have missed something.

        • SensChirp

          Took a spill in practice today. Hurt his wrist.

          • Zelle

            Thank you. I hope it’s nothing too serious… Really worried for Spezza’s line now.

          • Sensnation

            Just means he’ll work with other players, who may even be more defensively responsible. Not the end of the world, variety spices things up sometimes!

        • CUP 2014-15

          Stepped on a puck and went hard into the boards in practice, looks like a wrist.

  • Floridasensfan

    Methot should be a lock for next year but hard to say how extension talk has gone, if he wants too much he could find himself in a trade, not sure he is untouchable.

  • Zelle

    I think Saturday’s game showed why there is more of an argument for Turris being a captain than Karlsson. Karlsson’s effort was at bottom levels, just like we’ve seen before in other games. He’s a good team player and great player no doubt, but I feel a captain needs to have the most effort on the ice every game, no matter the score.

    • Jacques

      Turris should be the Captain,once 19 is traded for some pieces.

      • sprucesens

        not saying that should happen, and I truly think he would be a great captain, but man, wouldn’t that be a great story for him. Goes from unwanted and not played, to 1C and captain in 2 years.

        • Jacques

          No kidding Turris has got what it takes, Lazar will have the Captain make-up too. Some real quality young guys in the system.

  • Jacques

    Hope we call up Andre Peterssen if Stone can’t make it! He’s been on a roll in Bingo!

    • sprucesens

      would be an interesting call up no doubt, but it really feels like he is kind of off the charts now as far as a prospect goes. Unless we are looking to trade him, I doubt he really gets much of a shot. I hope they leave pageau down for a bit though. Maybe a guy like Hoffman or prince or puemple get a shot to see what they can do with spezza. Would be perfect time, since he is essentially our 3rd line now. See if those offensive guys can find chemistry with spezza. That could essentially make our decision on michalek for us, if they do.

      • CUP 2014-15

        Murray “we will not be making a call to Binghamton”

  • Sens613

    Runningbear1974, pretty valid points. To answer who to play with spezza; my guess would be Hossa to make a return to the sens. This just may be a dream because spezza and Hossa on a third line with condra maybe sounds too dangerous.

    Cowen + prospect for Hossa ?

    Then stone + 3rd for del zotto?

    • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

      There is less than 0 % chance that Hossa comes back here.

      • Sens613

        Can always dream …lol.

    • sprucesens

      don’t need another D right now. Even if we shipped cowen out. Would likely use claesson and our other bajillion D. lol

    • SENSsmile

      Why would the Sens want to do that? They have no chance of winning the cup this year, with or without a guy like Hossa. This type of move would only serve to piss away some good prospects and screw up the rebuild process.

  • Miguel

    Great Post Boom, with interesting discussions.
    One interesting note is that we keep talking about bringing in a top 4 Dman.
    We currently have 8 d-men, which causes us to sit 2 every game, and it is always the same three that rotate, and 2 of the 3 are young developing kids that need to play.
    So if we NEED a top 4, than that means that we only really have 3 D-men that are currently capable of top 3, leaving the other 5 as bottom 5-6 pairing.
    Therefore we need to shit or get off the pot with 3 of these d-men that can only play in the bottom pairing. I do not believe that Gryba or PW constantly deserve to sit, as they too are young and need to develope, as we say of Cowen.
    On Cowen, something is not right, he has lost his speed, his mobility, and his strength and physical play, and with that his confidence. The key question for management to answer is WHY? What has happened to this former stud? Is he still injured, has he not recovered properly, and then to make the necessary steps to get him back, otherwise we are risking losing this asset.
    Finally Chris Phillips, someone that I am very proud to call an Ottawa Senator! Huge Heart, plays with determination, plays with class, and is an excellent role model on and off the ice, all around great guy!, But father time is catching up to him, I cannot blame his effort, he does the best he can, who is to blame for his all to often mistakes, is the coaching staff. He cannot play above 20 mins a game, he should be a 6-7 dman, and never ever see the PP. It is not his heart, he simply can not, nor should not be up aginast any of the opposing teams top players, and for the coaches to keep putting him there are exposing him and doing him, the team, and the fans a disservice.
    So if we need a top 4, then please move out 3 of our D-men today, that the team does not have confidence in to play regularily, and make room for some others

  • Bob

    Adding or even talking about Hemsky and or Del Zotto is ridiculious, these guys have been healthy scratches already this season. No need to give up prospects, best keep them for players that’ll help this team win. Wrt Spezza, gosh.. where to start, honestly, I say we trade.. for who.. better question. Hearing the sens have looked into Ladd, that i like very much. I think we’re close, 2 players would make a huge difference, who..? I’m no GM.. :)

  • Lorenzo72

    Anderson to start against Washington. How many bad games need we to start Lehner? Who knows?…

  • runningbear1974

    I think one of the main weak points about Wiercioch and Gryba is their skating… So, i’m hoping that’s what they practice when they’re not playing…

  • CUP 2014-15

    The blues are close and have cap space. Would there be a trade with them involving Spezz and Andy? Obviously that would mean someone like Oshie and a goaltender along with what else?

    • Sensnation

      All reports indicate Oshie is untouchable, no?

      Also, I’m not sure they’ll think Andie is an upgrade on Halak.

      • CUP 2014-15

        He would be if I was running the Blues but as we know anything can happen and the real question for ST. Louis is does this put us over the top. If your internal answer is yes then you have to explore it. I know all home teams over estimate their talent but this is one hell of a package in a top centre and a starter. Then again maybe it’s not Oshie and we need to look closer at their roster. Who would you want in return for these two.

        • Sensnation

          I’m not in the trade Spezza camp, but if somehow we did trade those two to St. Louis I’d hope we get Tarasenko and Jake Allen. Jake Allen would be the perfect complement to Lehner for the decade to come and Tarasenko would slide in nice on either of Turris’ or Zibanejad’s lines as one of the best up and coming snipers.

          • CUP 2014-15

            With you on Spezz, I am not one who says he needs to go. I believe if he were made available the phone would ring off the hook. Just believe we may need his return more then we need him, not to diss Spezz more so praise for Turris and ZBad with Lazar on the way.
            It would be funny if Tarasenko ended up here as we were about to draft him before moving the pick for Runblad and then the Turris move later.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            I too am not in the absolutely move Spezza camp….but at the same time can see the value in doing it. I don’t really think we want him on the third line, but it is becoming increasingly difficult to put him any higher.

            His value is just so difficult to gauge due to the injuries, inconsistencies etc, but he still remains a point per game player, and arguably with the right linemates a top line center.

        • A-Train

          I don’t see Bryan Murray trading either Spezza or Anderson. Not his style. That’s a Paul Holmgren type of move.

    • Jacques

      I like a move like that! Good forward thinking on your part!

      • CUP 2014-15

        I am still thinking Cup in 2014-15 LOL,

    • sprucesens

      the only problem with this, is the blues aren’t desperate. They have an excellent team and are only getting better. Most of their top talent is signed at decent contracts. I know murray has like oshie for years, and would definitely be a target. I don’t think they’d go for andy though. I think they are dead set on miller if they can get the price down. Halak is barely a downgrade from andy, and this year, is probably better than andy. So I can’t see them targeting him. There are many players the sens could target from the blues and their farm system, but there isn’t much point, as we already have lots of prospects. They aren’t the ideal trade partners right now, I don’t think, simply because they are close to winning now, and I doubt they’d disrupt the chemistry for spezza/oshie swap. I think we would jump all over it, as we would likely get an extra piece coming our way. But I don’t think the blues are that desperate just yet. Next year, might be a different story… I would love most of the blues players though! they are the team I cheer for in the west in the playoffs, because it just feels like nobody really cares about the blues around here, and I feel they need more supporters! And they just have such a talented group for the past 8 years-ish. Anyways,
      Go sens go

      • CUP 2014-15

        I am sure they would rather have Miller the only problem is that Buff has made it clear they would like to retain him. Also the asking price is 2 firsts a second and a roster player. Like anything you get what you pay for so if they can get him, good for them if not Andy could be plan B, love trade speculating, being a GM without the pressure or accountability.

  • Sensnation

    The full answer is somewhere in between I feel. The Sens are still developing and the farm should not be traded for a run at the cup until next year. However the Sens could really use a top 4 dman and a big winger for Spezza to finish out this year. Which is why it would be best if the Sens acquired someone with a year or two still on their contract so that they may help out next year as well. A rental of a Whitney, or Cole or any of those elder types makes little sense if the trade price is significant.

    • Jacques

      Are you going to give a Spezza a contract when his contract is up for another 7 million a year? I really want to hear your answer on this? Seriously, I’m interested.

      • SensChirp

        I don’t think anybody is ready to give Spezza another contract at $7 million a year, Senators organization included.

        • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

          But what dollar figure are you comfortable with?? Would Spezza be?

          I seriously think that that may be the reason he is traded, and imho trading him as a slightly longer term rental is probably more appealing to a lot of teams…as it is clear he needs to have chemistry to be effective.

          • SensChirp

            It’s just not even a discussion worth having. Yet. At the draft you may find a team willing to take a chance on him but right now? I dunno. Contenders don’t have room and weaker teams looking to add an impact forward aren’t going to roll the dice on him until he stays healthy and productive for a prolonged period of time.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Agreed, Although who knows what will happen around trade deadline.

        • sprucesens

          yeah, agreed, and I think that will play into the future big time for him. He knows he can get that kind of money from any team that has the money. We can get a return for him now.. but what does that do for our team?? Interesting year coming up I think, between now and next year’s deadline…

      • Sensnation

        I don’t think anyone’s talking those numbers for Spezza right now. At best maybe 5-6mil on a 3-4yr contract, but a lot depends on what happens in the next year and a bit.

  • Jacques

    Blues looking for a goalie – maybe why we’re playing Andy so much, hope he can play a good game tuesday.

    • A-Train

      The problem with trading Andy is it doesn’t seem to fit in the time frame Murray’s laid out. Winning in the next two years means keeping him and Lehner. Unless the return is phenomenal. But how could it be with a team like the Blues? They want to win too.

      • Sensnation

        I’ve always felt winning the cup was with Lehner as our starter, not Andy. Though Andy would be a reliable backup to Lehner, he’d be severely overpaid for the position. This year and next year were to be the transition years from Andy to Lehner, but I wouldn’t be against moving Andy a year earlier if the return is better.

        • A-Train

          Sure, Lehner has the potential. We’ve seem him win the Calder Cup. I just think he may not be there yet as a Stanley Cup winner. Having the two of them gives us the best shot in the next two years…depending on the potential return for Andy.

          • Sensnation

            If Andy’s playing like this he’s not helping us, that’s my only point. Last year was a career year, not the norm, it’s time we admit that to ourselves.

          • A-Train

            He might never play that well again, but Lehner might never play that well — over a sustained stretch — either.

            I hope Robin Lehner is the world class goalie we all want him to be. But right now we just don’t know. And if we want to win in the near-term I still think it’s better having both of them.

            But again, I hedge all this against what the potential return for Anderson could be.

          • Sensnation

            Agreed, no harm in being deep there for the time being.

          • sprucesens

            yeah, like I just said below before reading this, I can’t see that the blues would feel andy is much of an upgrade. I think they are targeting miller, but the asking price is WAY too high. A 1st and a prospect is all they should be getting back, because he’s technically a rental. I think if the blues offered oshie for Anderson and a pick, we’d jump on it. But I just don’t see a fit. At least not in a scenario that we don’t rob st. Louis.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Don’t see why we need Anderson to win the cup….I think (if he could ever play a good game or two) the pieces we gain from a legit, albeit this year, shitty starting goalie would help us in our winning.

    • son of a Diefenbaker

      Ryan Miller is at the top of the Saint Louis wish list.

      Might happen before the Olympics

  • A-Train

    As far as additions go…they need one top six forward to play with Zibanejad/Conacher, dropping Michalek back with Spezza. And one veteran top four D to play with Cowen or or Ceci on a second pairing so Karlsson and Methot can play in the first. Preferably these guys are veterans (late twenties, early thirties) with playoff experience.

    A team with those kind of additions that stays healthy and plays to potential could be a Cup contender right now.

    Do we have the assets to bring in 2 guys like that without giving up something else we need to win? I think we don’t.

    • sprucesens

      incorrect on the last part. We DO have the assets, BUT we don’t want to “spend” those assets. As our prospect cupboard would be bare, and we would be back to the muckler days. While the majority of the team could stay in tact, the farm would be dry. But yes, a top 4 D always seems to be a need for all teams in the NHL, and another legit top 6 is always great. Time for murray to do a 3for1 upgrade on forward and a 2 for 1 slight upgrade on D.
      Should be interesting soon. Murray’s MO is to get it done early. I would expect before the Olympic break, if anything is going to happen. But if teams come to us, it could be the deadline. Fun fun

  • sprucesens

    ha, eklund says the hawks are looking at E Kane. And somehow the hawks need another top 6 forward…. are you kidding me??? How is that even a thing?? ANOTHER top 6 forward, is somehow what the hawks need…? That has to be straight up rumour mongering. Screw off Chicago! We are trying to get him, not you!!

    • Zelle

      They could use a goalie. Hank or Miller should go to Chicago, play for 1$ salary, and win a Cup lol

    • peetypuck

      Don’t forget that Chevy was Asst GM in Chicago before going to Winnipeg and remember when BM and Shero both went after Oduya at the tradeline.

  • NickofTime

    I’m of the opinion that we may have what we need already in the organization & maybe, just maybe we have the wrong perssonel playing at the moment. For example, I think it’s time to release the Lehner, Ottawa is not getting the kind of goaltending we were last yr & poor goaltending this yr is costing them games. Second, Ottawa has three very good puck moving defencemen in Karlsson, Ceci & Wiercioch. Karlsson needs to get back to making much better decisions on the ice & stop making so many stupid plays. Ceci has been playing fine & is a very good two way defenceman. Wiercioch needs ice time, unfortunately Ottawa has too many defencemen. Corvo should be moved & hopefully Phillips retires after this yr or is also moved to make room for Wiercioch, Gryba & Boroweicki who are all NHL ready.

    That leaves the forwards & IMO the two weakest links on this club are Condra & Conacher. Looking out west we can see how big & tough the best teams are & Ottawa could also be that way, if they were to move these two players. Adding a gritty player like Andrew Ladd or Drew Stafford who is under 30 yrs old & is not that far removed from some good scoring seasons would certainly be an upgrade with a playoff type performer. Adding Derek Grant to the 4th line would not only add size but also give you a good defensive forward who can skate, play the pk & add some scoring. Ottawa isn’t that far off from being a contender but all of the players need to play to their potential. But who knows if some of these guys are limited by injuries but IMO good goaltending is everything in the NHL these days.

    • Zelle

      How is Conacher the weakest link?

      • sprucesens

        I guess size, but I like the game he plays. Super high effort level

        • Zelle

          Yeah he is definitely small. I’m not saying he is St-Louis, but he’s small like him and he’s won a cup. Unless we were all playing Conacher-sized players, I don’t think we should put his size as a weakness. Especially since he’s one of two or three Sens players to take all the beatings in front of the goalie net.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Kinda confused by this too…I mean he isn’t tearing it up, but hasn’t really been a liability either.

  • Miguel

    very interesting times, as this next 10 days will go a long way to dictating whether we are playoff contenders or not,
    and if not, do we begin moving some of the older assets, and play our youth of the future?
    MM9, Phillips, Corvo, Neil, Spezza,
    could all be this years Fisher, Kelly, Kovalev etc.
    We will certainly need to move some bodies to make room for some of the up an comers

    • Kohlmanator

      If we had a 1st round pick this draft, I would agree with you. I think it’s more important to get production now and show Ryan (and somewhat Spezza) that we’re committed to winning so he (they) will want to re-sign next season.

      • Miguel

        well perhaps we can move some of those mentioned vets to get back a first round pick for next year.
        This rollercoaster season does not lead to a champioship season. We do have some young guys that are starting to show promise, and we cannot continue to sit out our future, or keep them down in the AHL, while we sit out of the playoffs here in Ottawa. We have to see what we have and at some point start planning for next year,

  • Jacques

    I think this team can still make the playoffs and finish the rebuild at the same time. Spezz,Neil,Phillips and Andy moved by the trade deadline for assets. That would be my plan moving forward. A smart trade or two for players and the rest for picks would do fine by me!

  • spoons

    i think murray tried to jump start us out of the rebuild too early. if we want to be a consistent contender, we need several more elite players. move out spezza, michalek, phillips, i’d like to see us become a powerhouse defensive team, let’s target EDM’s first rounder and get ekblad and add an elite forward with one of our veterans

    • Sensnation

      Rebuild isn’t over, per Murray this was the 3rd year of the rebuild. Fans and media are the ones that jumped out of rebuild mode prematurely after reaching the playoffs the last 2 years. This is still a growth year if you ask anyone in the organization.

      • spoons

        I’m not sure I believe that, considering we traded away two top prospects and a first pick, and now are looking at adding another veteran forward. I like Ryan, but I still don’t like what we gave up for him and not sure its such a “monster” deal as some say. IMO we should be sellers this year.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    Daniel Slater ‏@dslatertv 12m
    Injury to Mark Stone must be significant as Stephane Da Costa has been recalled from Binghamton. (via @coreypronman)

    Ouch

    • Miguel

      wow I did not see this coming, SDC over Hoffman, Pageau, Peterson, Puempel
      Sens cant be to high on Hoffman… lets hope someone takes this opportunity and runs with it.
      Would be nice to have someone fit with Spezza and start producing asap,

      • Sensnation

        Really seems like a case of showcasing SDC leading up to the trade deadline. The other pieces you mention are in the Sens’ plans longterm, SDC really doesn’t fit with all the other Cs they are committed to.

    • CUP 2014-15

      That’s very bad news as Murray said we would not be calling Bingo after practice this morning. This sounds like a break. S#!t

  • SensChirp
  • SenaTHOR

    People are talking about a D rental. Are you f’n nuts. We have 9-10 d who can play in this league. We are a longshot for the playoffs. How would a rental help us?

  • Sandy

    If any move is made it should be before the Olympic break.. that’s when the ‘cost’ may not be as high as after the break when more teams may be in on the bidding.
    No rental players.. IF you are going to give up prospects then do it for a player that will be with the team a longer term…
    Corvo shipped out of town for a bag of pucks..
    It will be very difficult to get a top 4 D from any NHL team right now.. A top 6 forward may be the better option… Murray desires a power forward… so who?
    The next 4 games are huge and could determine the Sens season on if they make the playoffs or not. Do poorly — like losing 3 games– it could be over.
    Wash, Car (where they have trouble winning) Columbus (who have a 6 game winning streak) Tampa (lost to them already).. Need 6 or 7 points out of 8 on this trip.
    Sucks for Stone.. but why in the hell bring up another centre unless Smith is being moved to Spezza’s wing. That really weakens the checking line. I would have brought up a winger…

    • CUP 2014-15

      We need an injury call up to get him here or he would have to clear waivers, this might be the reason and with any luck he gets hot and can be moved.

  • SenaTHOR

    League averages from last two years. Where are we?
    2.57goals for
    2.43 against