Tuesday, 12 March 2013 16:29

Sens Acquire Matt Kassian

Bryan Murray has found his tough guy.

The Ottawa Senators have acquired tough guy Matt Kassian from the Minnesota Wild in exchange for a 6th round pick in the 2014 Entry Draft.  Kassian has spent this season with the Houston Aeros of the American Hockey League.

Kassian, who is 6'5, 232 lbs, has played 28 games at the NHL level, scoring twice and racking up 67 penalty minutes.  He is currently in the first year of a two year contract.

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+6 #1 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2013-03-12 16:32
I like this trade. Kudos to BM!
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+4 #2 Sandy 2013-03-12 16:34
Wow.. 6 ft 5 -- 232 lbs left winger. Has 1 goal in 9 games with Houston..
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+2 #3 Sens of Peskyville 2013-03-12 16:38
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Kassian

26 NHL games... TONS of PIMS...
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+17 #4 crono 2013-03-12 16:44
Apparently the guy doesn't lose much and his fights seem pretty wild according to hockeyfights - http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/1108/fightcard/reg2012 - he'll be worth the pick if the only thing he does this year is take care of Cooke :P
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+5 #5 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2013-03-12 16:44
Now Patrick Wiercoch and Chris Phillips don't have to worry about fighting. I love this trade.

We need a guy like this
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+1 #6 SensFanInMTL 2013-03-12 16:46
Just got the update on the iPhone! Woooo, Kassian! Oh it's Matt... Yeah!
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+3 #7 T K 2013-03-12 16:46
They wanted a tough guy, they got a tough guy...

Chirp, any word on Saint Andy's status?

While Bishman & Robin have been reliable,
( OMG, what a great reference, too bad they aren't playing the Penguins... BIFF, POW!)
there have been cracks appearing in the fabric of the Matrix and the Sens really need Mr. Anderson to step in and close them up.
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+3 #8 T K 2013-03-12 16:49
P.S. Wasn't Kassian part of the Aeros team that Bingo beat in the finals?
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+10 #9 SensFanInMTL 2013-03-12 16:53
6'4 230 lbs Canadian kid! Let him play with Smith and Neil!
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-2 #10 jakester 2013-03-12 17:03
You have to like it.
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+3 #11 Phoenix 2013-03-12 17:03
I like this deal and I am glad he is around for another year after this.
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-9 #12 NadislavLagy 2013-03-12 17:11
Think Mark Stone should be sent down, give him more ice time and help out Bingo.
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+3 #13 The Apostle 2013-03-12 17:13
Absolute no risk trade. Decent move.

Is there a reason why it's the 2014 draft and not this year?
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-2 #14 timwrx 2013-03-12 17:16
Pretty sweet. I did get to see him a few years ago when Houston visited and he fought Yablonski. Yabs won that one
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+2 #15 Mexican Baby Jesus 2013-03-12 17:20
Solely a move to take attention away from Daugavins shootout attempt
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0 #16 Merchaholic 2013-03-12 17:20
Damn at that 2nd fight lol. He went #BeastMode. Since he arrives tomorrow and practices with the team on Thursday it's safe to say we wont see him in Montreal?
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+2 #17 stone169 2013-03-12 17:30
So is this guy actually going to suit for the Sens on a regular basis or is he heading straight to Bingo?
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+5 #18 SensChirp 2013-03-12 17:36
Quoting stone169:
So is this guy actually going to suit for the Sens on a regular basis or is he heading straight to Bingo?

He'll be here. Likely plays on Saturday.
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-17 #19 Jar of PalladiumDirt 2013-03-12 17:37
No risk, sure, but who wants a guy like Kassian anyway?

We lose because we don't score ,not because we're "not tough".

This is just another goon to take minutes away from a youngster and be a pylon vs the other team's skilled/fast players.

He's a liability.

Usually a fan of pretty much everything Murray does, and while this isn't a big deal either way, it doesn't seem productive.
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+11 #20 T K 2013-03-12 17:46
We should start a rumour that Minny traded him because he was going to beat up Heatley for being a selfish lazy ass.
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+5 #21 scissors 2013-03-12 17:56
I thought it was the other kassian lol but i like this.
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+8 #22 Sandy 2013-03-12 17:58
Quoting crono:
Apparently the guy doesn't lose much and his fights seem pretty wild according to hockeyfights - http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/1108/fightcard/reg2012 - he'll be worth the pick if the only thing he does this year is take care of Cooke :P


AND MCLAREN.
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+5 #23 Reaper 2013-03-12 18:00
This guy's a fuckin beast. Can't wait to see Kassian rip apart Mclearn and/or Colton Orr. My guess is that P. Regin is on his way out.
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+11 #24 Big Daddy 2013-03-12 18:04
For all those people not liking this pick up I think Murray has earned the right to be trusted. I remember when people were hating on the Foligno/Methot trade but it looks like a fleece now. Love the way Kassian squares off for a fight, looks like some kind of Mortal Kombat stance.
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+2 #25 jakester 2013-03-12 18:05
I think the trading season will start in a week to ten days. Teams won't wait till there are 10-12 games left to make a move cuz it'll be too late. It should be interesting.
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+4 #26 Sandy 2013-03-12 18:06
Off topic but a nice story from the Sens website:

http://senators.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=15177
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+26 #27 Yanick L 2013-03-12 18:09
And as a bonus, HE DOESN'T WEAR A VISOR!
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+2 #28 Sandy 2013-03-12 18:09
Quoting Jar of PalladiumDirt:
No risk, sure, but who wants a guy like Kassian anyway?

We lose because we don't score ,not because we're "not tough".

This is just another goon to take minutes away from a youngster and be a pylon vs the other team's skilled/fast players.

He's a liability.

Usually a fan of pretty much everything Murray does, and while this isn't a big deal either way, it doesn't seem productive.


He won't play every game.. just against teams with the big guys that run around and cheapshot the Sens young players.

With the re-alignment next season you have Boston, Leafs, Montreal, Buffalo -- all with heavyweights. You need to compete with that.. and it makes the young players a little more comfortable having someone like that in the lineup. I don't think Pitts will run around like they did the last game..
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+6 #29 SensFanInMTL 2013-03-12 18:10
I actually hope that MacLean can help Kassian troll the opposition in the sense that when all teams oppose us, have the mentality that all Kassian can do is fight. When they least expect it, he can help set up a play for the occasional assist or even that dirty area goal. Then when the opposition least expects it again, he beats the shit out of them!

His 1st goal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjeZ2DwF50E
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+1 #30 57gord 2013-03-12 18:31
He was a 2nd round pick, 57th overall (gotta love that #) so with a little help from our crack team coaches etc. maybe he will become more. 2nd round!!
should mean something else was/is there?
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+4 #31 Floridasensfan 2013-03-12 18:42
I have no problem with it, we need some guys that can lay a beating if they mess with our players.

I will pass on the entertainment fighting but enforcer bring it on.
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0 #32 oakster15 2013-03-12 18:49
On another note, did anyone see the pic of Kassian's fiance from his twitter? Good job, sir. https://twitter.com/kassassination/status/300698668535775232
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+2 #33 Lumpy Rutherford 2013-03-12 18:50
Quoting 57gord:
He was a 2nd round pick, 57th overall (gotta love that #)


HMMM - and drafted 147 spots before Colin Greening :D

Seems like he'll be a perfect fit for certain opponents and I really like the designated tough guy being a forward and not a d-man
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+4 #34 Sandy 2013-03-12 18:53
Quoting SensFanInMTL:
I actually hope that MacLean can help Kassian troll the opposition in the sense that when all teams oppose us, have the mentality that all Kassian can do is fight. When they least expect it, he can help set up a play for the occasional assist or even that dirty area goal. Then when the opposition least expects it again, he beats the shit out of them!

His 1st goal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjeZ2DwF50E


Well he goes to the net and can't easily be moved out of there. That's a plus..
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+11 #35 Giovanni 2013-03-12 19:06
Meanwhile, Pierre Lebrun's blurb on the Senators for this week's ESPN power rankings:

"We're running out of superlatives to explain how Paul MacLean, Daniel Alfredsson, Chris Phillips and the gang of kids are pulling this off without their top talent. AMAZING."
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+6 #36 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2013-03-12 19:27
this guy is massive man!! 6'5" 230 pounds. goodness.
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-15 #37 Tcharger 2013-03-12 19:29
6'5" 230 lbs isn't massive....its big, but I used to weigh close to that when I played football, and I am only 6'2". However I like this move, and seeing as fighting still happens and many other teams have heavy weights we should be no different.
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-15 #38 Silfver 2013-03-12 19:38
Now to get someone who can pit the puck in the net.... Cammallari?? Flames will have to sell soon, murray tryed to get him before... Can play leftwing or center
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-26 #39 jakester 2013-03-12 19:59
Here's my crazy trade scenario for the day. Edmonton hAs to change their mix up front cuz they have too many players that are similar.

How bout Bishop-Smith and Latendresse

For Gagner and Pajaarvi.

Gagner gives us insurance in case Spezza has a setback.

If Spezza comes back fine and Michalek can play well

Michalek-Spezza-TUrris
Pajaarvi-Gagner-Alfie
Greening-Zibby-Stone
Condra-Job-Neil
Kassian

Tons of skill.
If Michalek can't go we have Greening who can move up.
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-2 #40 jakester 2013-03-12 20:12
Damn I forgot Silfverberg put him in stone's place , he would benefit from easy minutes against other teams third lines too. Could snipe more goals from that spot. Stoner can play aliitle more in Bingo.
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-9 #41 St Nick 2013-03-12 20:28
Good to see Murray get a legitimate heavyweight, they needed one. He won't play every game & they don't need him to play every game just against certain teams. A 6th rd pick in 2014 is well worth it, good deal for Ottawa.

Next Murray needs a top 4 defenceman, I would like to see a straight up deal Bishop for Edmonton's Petry. Finally Murray could use another top 6 forward & there could be a few available very soon. I try for Fleischmann or Versteeg from Florida & try to send some players/prospec ts the other way like Da Costa, Regin, Condra, Petersson, Pageau, Prince, Claesson or Hoffman.
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-2 #42 A Train 2013-03-12 21:06
Gotta speak my mind here. I've never felt one way or the other about staged fighting in hockey. It is what it is, it's not really my thing and I'm pretty sure we'll see one of these guys die on the ice one night but whatever, i cant deny that it's part of the game and some people seem to love it so it's probably here to stay.

If we have to live with it I just wish the Senators wouldn't be so....I dunno....inauth entic about it. Like sitting Konopka and Carkner until we started getting pushed around and then deciding this is an important aspect of the game. This feels like that and I can't say I love it..
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+7 #43 Mr Hockey 2013-03-12 21:07
My theory: We traded next years 6th round pick as this years is a key piece in the Perry deal.
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0 #44 spezzafan19 2013-03-12 21:08
I like this trade Murray adds some size to the lineup.


Does anybody know what number Kassian will wear?

Now Murray just needs to make a trade for someone who can score goals and defencemen who score goals.

Murray should trade for one Smid or Whitney.

As for a scoring forward I would like to see Murray trade for one of Chris stewart or Pierre-Marc Bouchard.
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-5 #45 spezzafan19 2013-03-12 21:10
Quoting Mr Hockey:
My theory: We traded next years 6th round pick as this years is a key piece in the Perry deal.


What 6th round pick would be in the Perry deal?
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+6 #46 A Train 2013-03-12 21:11
Quoting spezzafan19:
Quoting Mr Hockey:
My theory: We traded next years 6th round pick as this years is a key piece in the Perry deal.


What 6th round pick would be in the Perry deal?


Humour. I think.
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-9 #47 spezzafan19 2013-03-12 21:18
Quoting A Train:
Quoting spezzafan19:
Quoting Mr Hockey:
My theory: We traded next years 6th round pick as this years is a key piece in the Perry deal.


What 6th round pick would be in the Perry deal?


Humour. I think.


Cool that is good too know.
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-1 #48 jakester 2013-03-12 21:35
Gagner and Pajaarvi each have a goal and an assist tonight. not too shabby.
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+8 #49 Phoenix 2013-03-12 21:54
Now that I have seen the last 2 fights I am more than happy with this deal. I give Phillips and Wiercioch credit for sticking up for their teammates but those were pretty sad scrapes that hardly send a message. Hopefully Murray can get one more scrappy guy but with a bit more skill level to go with it. Again I give the guys credit for trying but they are out matched.
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+6 #50 ZachPraiseTheSwedes 2013-03-12 22:35
What I think is ridiculous is how staged fighting has such a bad rap in this league and will most likely be banned in the near future but somehow the league gets away with putting in stupid rules like instigating penalties and fighting with a visor.

When players get instigating penalties, that's when they're actually supposed to fight. Those fights are legit. Instead the league puts that player in the box for 2, 5 and 10min plus an extra 2 if he has a visor. But when two guys desire to fight just because that's all they know how to do...that seems legit enough to the league that the players don't get anymore penalties.

If legit fights deserve 17 or 19 minutes then staged fights should get the rest of the game

And this is coming from someone who absolutely loves fighting in hockey. One of my favourite moments from the past couple years was Smith vs Horton
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+5 #51 The Apostle 2013-03-12 23:05
i agree with all of the above and that pisses me off.

Phillips gets 19 for sticking up for a linemate and being punched in the face and some guy who can barely stand on the ice but can pun ch a lot only gets 5 for pointlessly fighting his counterpart from across the ice.

I suppose the extra 2 for the visor will have to be dropped in a couple of years when visors become compulsory.
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+1 #52 57gord 2013-03-12 23:10
Matt......."I have no visions of grandeur
about that" (scoring) "You want to make everyone on the ice, on your side, grow a couple......... .........of inches".

Good thing he added that, my pause, not his.
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-3 #53 The Silfver Surfer 2013-03-12 23:52
I just find it hilarious that a few days ago Chirp posted a blog about BM looking for toughness and asking for our opinion, at that time the majority of the comments were saying how it would a terrible idea to try and get a tough guy. Now that he makes a move for a tough guy the majority thinks it was a great idea, lol. So just for the record I think the team was gonna need to add some toughness ever since Carks left...
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-1 #54 Mexican Baby Jesus 2013-03-12 23:54
Quoting oakster15:
On another note, did anyone see the pic of Kassian's fiance from his twitter? Good job, sir. https://twitter.com/kassassination/status/300698668535775232


Yeah not having a hot wife in this organization is a definite deal breaker.
Although Larry David would say he is probably an indecent man because of his hot wife.
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+1 #55 kingalfredsson 2013-03-13 01:41
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BLhi-jkJ5Y

Imagine it was one of the leafs players
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-3 #56 SNOOPY SENIOR 2013-03-13 06:45
Quoting The Apostle:
i agree with all of the above and that pisses me off.

Phillips gets 19 for sticking up for a linemate and being punched in the face and some guy who can barely stand on the ice but can pun ch a lot only gets 5 for pointlessly fighting his counterpart from across the ice.

I suppose the extra 2 for the visor will have to be dropped in a couple of years when visors become compulsory.


@ Apostle,

My thoughts on the these "instigating "
rules etc........... including "Staged Fighting", is really simple :

Both participants of a staged fight, get a game misconduct and an automatic 3 game suspension.

A fight that breaks out during normal circumstances, shall be the normal 5 minute major to both participants, that's
it, that's all.

The 19 minutes that Phillips and Wiercioch got, is a farce of "double standard"
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+3 #57 andreasdackell 2013-03-13 06:52
3 game suspension for a fight? lol
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-3 #58 SNOOPY SENIOR 2013-03-13 07:01
Quoting andreasdackell:
3 game suspension for a fight? lol


@ dackell,

Only if it is a "staged fight", which I stipulated, deserves a 3 game suspension.

A "non staged fight", both players get 5 minute major for fighting. That's all !!
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+4 #59 Merchaholic 2013-03-13 07:17
lmao, 3 games for a fight. But let's give 1 game suspensions to players attempting to injure with dirty hits.
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0 #60 Patrick 2.0 2013-03-13 07:20
3 game suspension for a "staged fight" is rediculous. At the very most it should be a game misconduct...at the VERY MOST!! Philips/Weircio ch type situations on the other hand...absolute ly rediculous...20 min of penalties for standing up for a team mate. infuriates me.

As far as this trade is concerned...I'm all for adding toughness, but as I said in a previous post: "better not come at the cost of bad penalties".
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0 #61 SNOOPY SENIOR 2013-03-13 07:24
Quoting Merchaholic:
lmao, 3 games for a fight. But let's give 1 game suspensions to players attempting to injure with dirty hits.


I agree with 1 game suspension for the hit on Lundin a few games ago !
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0 #62 Alcatraz 2013-03-13 08:18
Quoting jasonontheoldsenschirp:
Now Patrick Wiercoch and Chris Phillips don't have to worry about fighting. I love this trade.

We need a guy like this


What I dont get is how you expect Kassian to be on the ice at the exact same moment Neil gets hit form behind and O'Brien gets rocked behind the net?
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+3 #63 IcySurfas 2013-03-13 08:25
Quoting Jar of PalladiumDirt:
No risk, sure, but who wants a guy like Kassian anyway?

We lose because we don't score ,not because we're "not tough".

This is just another goon to take minutes away from a youngster and be a pylon vs the other team's skilled/fast players.

He's a liability.

Usually a fan of pretty much everything Murray does, and while this isn't a big deal either way, it doesn't seem productive.


Wow..this poor guy only asked "did we really need to sign a heavyweight enforcer when we really needed scoring", and everyone attacks him.

It's a valid question folks. It's a nothing trade as far as what we gave to get him, but you have to ask, who comes out of the lineup for this guy to draw in?
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+1 #64 IcySurfas 2013-03-13 08:36
Quoting Mr Hockey:
My theory: We traded next years 6th round pick as this years is a key piece in the Perry deal.


Your crystal ball is telling you that this years 6th round pick for the Sens will be a "key piece" of a deal to land Corey Perry?

You eat alot of paint chips as a kid?

;-) Just teasing...as Im 90% certain that you are being sarcastic.

Right...
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+1 #65 The Apostle 2013-03-13 08:41
Quoting IcySurfas:


It's a valid question folks. It's a nothing trade as far as what we gave to get him, but you have to ask, who comes out of the lineup for this guy to draw in?


Well based on the general comments here when the team is struggling, everybody apart from Karlsson sucks, so I guess it doesn't matter who comes out.
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+3 #66 Oggie Ogilthorp 2013-03-13 08:48
The reason everyone is booing is because the reason that we are not scoring is because our style of game has changed from a finess game to a pluggers game... but we have no musle when shit gets to heated. Plugger style of play does not score many goals and it produces a lot of intensity which can sometime result in one of your players getting shit kicked by a heavy weight.

I anticipate this trap style hockey to persist for most or even the rest of the season as Karlsson is not coming back. This guy will save us injuries and thus help put much needed points on the board. This in my opinion is a reaction to injuries. With all our healthy players we would have penalized a team on the scoreboard for putting their goons out, that talent is irreplaceble. Next best thing is to out grind them.

Apparently Bill Goldthorp wasn't available.
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0 #67 IcySurfas 2013-03-13 08:54
Quoting Alcatraz:
Quoting jasonontheoldsenschirp:
Now Patrick Wiercoch and Chris Phillips don't have to worry about fighting. I love this trade.

We need a guy like this


What I dont get is how you expect Kassian to be on the ice at the exact same moment Neil gets hit form behind and O'Brien gets rocked behind the net?


Well said bud!

In the real world, our toughest biggest bad ass doesn't just magically appear on the ice when one of our boys gets rocked. He'll be lucky to play 5-6 mins a night as it is.
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0 #68 Alcatraz 2013-03-13 08:56
I still don't understand in what games people think we have been pushed around or got the shit kicked out by a heavyweight?

Toronto, that heavyweight killed our rook 30 seconds in, that was a choice to go and we can't say the game dictated that fight

I don't mind muscle and the fact Kassian is 6'5 is great but what I dont get is that two days ago the general consensus was that Latendresse should not play and sucks but yet we are happy for Kassian!
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+1 #69 SNOOPY SENIOR 2013-03-13 09:00
Quoting IcySurfas:
Quoting Alcatraz:
Quoting jasonontheoldsenschirp:
Now Patrick Wiercoch and Chris Phillips don't have to worry about fighting. I love this trade.

We need a guy like this


What I dont get is how you expect Kassian to be on the ice at the exact same moment Neil gets hit form behind and O'Brien gets rocked behind the net?


Well said bud!

In the real world, our toughest biggest bad ass doesn't just magically appear on the ice when one of our boys gets rocked. He'll be lucky to play 5-6 mins a night as it is.



I believe that Coach MacLean, will only dress this guy in a few selected games,
as an insurance deterrent vs tough guys
from selected teams.

He will be a regular scratch when not needed.
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+1 #70 Mr Hockey 2013-03-13 09:01
Quoting IcySurfas:
Quoting Mr Hockey:
My theory: We traded next years 6th round pick as this years is a key piece in the Perry deal.


Your crystal ball is telling you that this years 6th round pick for the Sens will be a "key piece" of a deal to land Corey Perry?

You eat alot of paint chips as a kid?

;-) Just teasing...as Im 90% certain that you are being sarcastic.

Right...


I was trying to be funny, beer had a say in this. It will not happen again haha.
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+3 #71 Hax 2013-03-13 09:13
My take (I know you've all be frantically refreshing waiting for it - eep):

No way did Murray grab this guy without MacLean buying in. You don't have the success the Sens have had without some collaboration between GM and coach (MacLean might not have been super keen, but no way he was against the idea).

Shows your players that they've got backup and he can police Bingo when we're healthier.

As for him "stealing minutes", as some have pointed out he'll only play against teams that we need that element and really, with all the injuries it's not like he's stealing minutes from a guy that wouldn't have been in Bingo if we were healthy anyway.

Not sure I'd have made the move myself but I trust MacLean to use him right and Murray to know what he's doing.

Pretty much a guarantee that he fights on his first shift Saturday right? As much as I love this team, if anything has been missing it's a couple of fights along the way.
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0 #72 Hax 2013-03-13 09:20
Quoting ZachPraiseTheSwedes:
What I think is ridiculous is how staged fighting has such a bad rap in this league and will most likely be banned in the near future but somehow the league gets away with putting in stupid rules like instigating penalties and fighting with a visor.
...


I agree.

I think the visor rule will go away given the Staal incident. Maybe coupled with a start towards mandatory visors on some level.

As for staged fights, I think a game misconduct if it's 100% clear would be okay (i.e. opening face off). The guys that fight that way get few shifts anyway. But more would be risky IMO. Would be too easy for something to look staged when someone just agreed. Maybe if both guys have a certain number of fighting majors already or something but I can see something where Orr fights Smith and they call it staged and we lose that tradeoff every time.
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0 #73 Hax 2013-03-13 09:20
And I'm hoping that they look at the Phillips scenario specifically (that type of situation). Phillips was clearly coming over more to say "don't do that please" since we know he rarely fights due to his eye injury. But when the guy dropped his gloves Phillips was kinda committed. I'd like to think that if the refs had a chance to watch it all on replay first the call would have been very different.

Until they change the rules (or even after) it's the players that need to show some honor and agree to let each other drop the visors/helmets before fighting. Increases the danger to each one of course but until they invent the quick release visor that's what they'll have to do.
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-1 #74 NadislavLagy 2013-03-13 09:21
Sorry, but he's an NHL player. Would be absolutely dumb to trae a pick for a guy just to waive him and risk losing him, and get nothing in return. Players exempt from waivers are going to be sent down, like it or not.
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0 #75 RUSHRLZ 2013-03-13 09:22
Quoting Big Daddy:
Love the way Kassian squares off for a fight, looks like some kind of Mortal Kombat stance.


I like it too! I keep expecting him to do a Captain Kirk double fister!
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+2 #76 RUSHRLZ 2013-03-13 09:23
Quoting T K:

Chirp, any word on Saint Andy's status?


Saint Anderson. I like the ring of that!
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+7 #77 No65* 2013-03-13 09:31
Guys, never under estimate the magic of PMac. He will transform Kassian into a good 4th line player.

Go SENS Go
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+1 #78 Hax 2013-03-13 09:33
Quoting NadislavLagy:
Sorry, but he's an NHL player. Would be absolutely dumb to trae a pick for a guy just to waive him and risk losing him, and get nothing in return. Players exempt from waivers are going to be sent down, like it or not.


He can start the year in Bingo next season can't he? But if not then yes I guess he'll be 14th forward or something.

Does make me wonder why they didn't just call up Jessiman or Kramer or something. But in Murray we trust.
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+2 #79 Ottawa23 2013-03-13 09:35
We traded the next Alfredsson (6th round pick) for Matt Kassian!!
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+4 #80 my2sens 2013-03-13 09:44
Quoting Ottawa23:
We traded the next Alfredsson (6th round pick) for Matt Kassian!!



There is no 'next Alfredsson'. God is irreplaceable! :-)
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-2 #81 Tookie 2013-03-13 09:49
Quoting Floridasensfan:
I have no problem with it, we need some guys that can lay a beating if they mess with our players.

I will pass on the entertainment fighting but enforcer bring it on.


Funny how everyone is ok with this now and when I was sayng it last week I was "out to lunch" LOL...too funny
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-3 #82 Tookie 2013-03-13 10:03
We needed this badly, this will increase confidence in many players, knowing somebody's got their back, not only on a teammate level but its actually his JOB to do so!

Our guys have been playing very small lately.
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-2 #83 Alcatraz 2013-03-13 10:07
Quoting Tookie:
We needed this badly, this will increase confidence in many players, knowing somebody's got their back, not only on a teammate level but its actually his JOB to do so!

Our guys have been playing very small lately.


We will definately play bigger with Kassian up in the press box for majority of the games

Just like Maclean did last year with Carkner (once we got Gilroy) and Konopka
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-3 #84 Alcatraz 2013-03-13 10:12
People are thumbing down my post but Id love to make a bet with someone on these boards

BArring more long term injuries which force us to start Kassian I would love to see what people on here think he will actually play

we have 22 Games left including tonight which is already stated he wont play

so of the 21 games left how many games do you think he will play in?

I honestly would set the over under at 12.5
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0 #85 SensChirp 2013-03-13 10:13
Game Day post will be slightly delayed today.
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+3 #86 Colin 2013-03-13 10:16
Quoting IcySurfas:


In the real world, our toughest biggest bad ass doesn't just magically appear on the ice when one of our boys gets rocked. He'll be lucky to play 5-6 mins a night as it is.


I figure this goes to the nuclear deterrent figure that Murray mentioned when speaking about Carkner.

The other team knows that you have a caveman on the bench and that he will make someone pay if they take a run at Alfie, Spezza, Karlsson...etc.

In the playoffs last year, Carkner had to wait until the next game to go after Boyle. After that, the Rangers knew what was coming if they took any liberties.
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+2 #87 The Apostle 2013-03-13 10:18
Quoting SensChirp:
Game Day post will be slightly delayed today.



this is the last straw!

I'm going to refresh this sight every ten minutes instead of every five. That'll learn him.
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-2 #88 Alcatraz 2013-03-13 10:19
Quoting Colin:
Quoting IcySurfas:


In the real world, our toughest biggest bad ass doesn't just magically appear on the ice when one of our boys gets rocked. He'll be lucky to play 5-6 mins a night as it is.


I figure this goes to the nuclear deterrent figure that Murray mentioned when speaking about Carkner.

The other team knows that you have a caveman on the bench and that he will make someone pay if they take a run at Alfie, Spezza, Karlsson...etc.

In the playoffs last year, Carkner had to wait until the next game to go after Boyle. After that, the Rangers knew what was coming if they took any liberties.


I don't think that really mattered. Alfie was still knocked out, Karlsson was still run after (Neil then ran Richards next shift)

If every team has a hied goon, why should a team then be deterred?
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-3 #89 Tookie 2013-03-13 10:23
Quoting Alcatraz:
Quoting Tookie:
We needed this badly, this will increase confidence in many players, knowing somebody's got their back, not only on a teammate level but its actually his JOB to do so!

Our guys have been playing very small lately.


We will definately play bigger with Kassian up in the press box for majority of the games

Just like Maclean did last year with Carkner (once we got Gilroy) and Konopka


If not for his (Carkner) knee surgery, he would have played more games.

Carks has played 160 reg games and 10 playoff games for Ottawa. Not much press box there.

As long as Kassian isnt the next Konopka then were fine. He will have regular role on the 4th line. Daug or Regin are easily replaceable.
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-3 #90 Alcatraz 2013-03-13 10:25
Quoting Tookie:
Quoting Alcatraz:
Quoting Tookie:
We needed this badly, this will increase confidence in many players, knowing somebody's got their back, not only on a teammate level but its actually his JOB to do so!

Our guys have been playing very small lately.


We will definately play bigger with Kassian up in the press box for majority of the games

Just like Maclean did last year with Carkner (once we got Gilroy) and Konopka


If not for his (Carkner) knee surgery, he would have played more games.

Carks has played 160 reg games and 10 playoff games for Ottawa. Not much press box there.

As long as Kassian isnt the next Konopka then were fine. He will have regular role on the 4th line. Daug or Regin are easily replaceable.


Kassian couldn't beat out Konopka for the role in Minny and that scares the hell out of me
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+1 #91 Tookie 2013-03-13 10:33
Quoting Alcatraz:

I don't think that really mattered. Alfie was still knocked out, Karlsson was still run after (Neil then ran Richards next shift)

If every team has a hied goon, why should a team then be deterred?


Why should it matter? Imagine if we hadnt had Carks or Neil or to some extent Konopka...that series would not have went to 7 at all.

The only reason we were in it was because our guys felt confident they could hang with a MUCH more physical team.

If you dont have one, teams run your stars knowing no retaliation is coming.

Just look at this year, haha would you stop running our team if you knew you had to answer to Wiercioch, Dzuir, Daugavins, Phillips....HAH A come on man.

Teams can basically run our stars everynight, to which we've seen. without any consequences.

Not anymore...
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+1 #92 Hax 2013-03-13 10:34
Quoting Alcatraz:
Kassian couldn't beat out Konopka for the role in Minny and that scares the hell out of me


Kono offers a different set of skills. He's still a great faceoff guy even with the new rules and he can agitate as well as "fight". He can also kill penalties.

Kassian is more about being a true heavyweight. In Sens terms he's closer to a McGrattan than Kono or Carkner (who could play shutdown minutes on top of fighting).

If Minny had needed a "deterrent" like we seem to, I bet Minny would have found a way to dress Kassian.
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+1 #93 No65* 2013-03-13 10:41
Quoting Tookie:
Quoting Alcatraz:

I don't think that really mattered. Alfie was still knocked out, Karlsson was still run after (Neil then ran Richards next shift)

If every team has a hied goon, why should a team then be deterred?


Why should it matter? Imagine if we hadnt had Carks or Neil or to some extent Konopka...that series would not have went to 7 at all.

The only reason we were in it was because our guys felt confident they could hang with a MUCH more physical team.

If you dont have one, teams run your stars knowing no retaliation is coming.

Just look at this year, haha would you stop running our team if you knew you had to answer to Wiercioch, Dzuir, Daugavins, Phillips....HAHA come on man.

Teams can basically run our stars everynight, to which we've seen. without any consequences.

Not anymore...


THIS ^^
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+2 #94 Tookie 2013-03-13 10:43
Quoting Alcatraz:

Kassian couldn't beat out Konopka for the role in Minny and that scares the hell out of me


Well he played 4 games his rookie year, then followed it up with 24 in his sophmore year. Not much to go on. It was just as simple as MIN didnt have any room/use for him. He was a rookie afterall...

Now he comes into a team in desperate need of physical presence. Dont you think his physical presence and the confidence he will instill in others while out there patrolling is a huge upgrade to the avg play of Regin or Daug everynight?

I mean really, what has Regin or Daug done to help this team, what do they bring to the table that others cant do...
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-2 #95 Alcatraz 2013-03-13 10:43
I really will never understand those who say we have been run all year

we have not, and all the games I've seen I have yet to see teams taking liberties with us

Running Lundin and O'brien?

If deterrent was so important then you would think McQuaid would not have run Neil, with fear of retaliation from him
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-1 #96 Alcatraz 2013-03-13 10:44
Quoting Tookie:
Quoting Alcatraz:

Kassian couldn't beat out Konopka for the role in Minny and that scares the hell out of me


Well he played 4 games his rookie year, then followed it up with 24 in his sophmore year. Not much to go on. It was just as simple as MIN didnt have any room/use for him. He was a rookie afterall...

Now he comes into a team in desperate need of physical presence. Dont you think his physical presence and the confidence he will instill in others while out there patrolling is a huge upgrade to the avg play of Regin or Daug everynight?

I mean really, what has Regin or Daug done to help this team, what do they bring to the table that others cant do...


Your right

The reason for Toronto's turnaround this year has nothing to do with improved goaltending and team defense

Its cause Orr is actually playing this year
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-3 #97 Alcatraz 2013-03-13 10:47
Boston had a 2 goal lead yesterday and are probably the most intimidating team so why did they let Pittsburgh come back on them?

You would think Boston would just push Pittsburgh around and say NO
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-3 #98 Alcatraz 2013-03-13 10:49
Look

I think it was a good trade cause a 6th round pick probably will never play for us, and if he does it wont be for years

having an NHL body will help us, and will help keep players in Bingo for their run

I get all that

But I don't buy the notion that Kassian will make us play bigger, therefore make us play better

Latendresse came back last game and people wrote him off saying he wont help us win

Now we get Kassian and people are saying he will make us win

thats the part I don't buy. Will he play for us? Yes? Will he fight? yes will his impact be felt? Most likely. Will any of that have a tangible and concrete outcome of our games and win totals? hardly
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+4 #99 Andrews Theory 2013-03-13 10:50
Only issue with this trade and its a small one....guy was on waivers like two weeks ago. Hindsight is always 20/20 though right?

I can count on one finger how many fight Konopka won last year...
Great on face offs, PK and in the locker room but he was a pest more than anything that could take a beating night in, night out.
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+2 #100 Andrews Theory 2013-03-13 10:53
Quoting Alcatraz:
Look

I think it was a good trade cause a 6th round pick probably will never play for us, and if he does it wont be for years

having an NHL body will help us, and will help keep players in Bingo for their run

I get all that

But I don't buy the notion that Kassian will make us play bigger, therefore make us play better

Latendresse came back last game and people wrote him off saying he wont help us win

Now we get Kassian and people are saying he will make us win

thats the part I don't buy. Will he play for us? Yes? Will he fight? yes will his impact be felt? Most likely. Will any of that have a tangible and concrete outcome of our games and win totals? hardly


You really don't have to look any further than Montreal or Toronto to prove that it works....last year both of these teams were scared of their own shadow, this year -not so much
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+1 #101 DenisVial 2013-03-13 10:53
Quoting Tookie:
Quoting Alcatraz:

I don't think that really mattered. Alfie was still knocked out, Karlsson was still run after (Neil then ran Richards next shift)

If every team has a hied goon, why should a team then be deterred?


Why should it matter? Imagine if we hadnt had Carks or Neil or to some extent Konopka...that series would not have went to 7 at all.

The only reason we were in it was because our guys felt confident they could hang with a MUCH more physical team.

If you dont have one, teams run your stars knowing no retaliation is coming.

Just look at this year, haha would you stop running our team if you knew you had to answer to Wiercioch, Dzuir, Daugavins, Phillips....HAHA come on man.

Teams can basically run our stars everynight, to which we've seen. without any consequences.

Not anymore...


Voice of reason.
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-2 #102 Tookie 2013-03-13 11:00
Quoting Alcatraz:

Your right

The reason for Toronto's turnaround this year has nothing to do with improved goaltending and team defense

Its cause Orr is actually playing this year


Improved defense and goaltending...l ol Now your really searching for clues...

Kessel was slumping hard, 2 of their top goal scorers go down early (Lupul, Frattin).

Its not because of Orr's or McLaren's actual play but its the confidence they instill in other less skilled players to go out there and play better than they should. Like most of the Leafs players right now.

When you look at the Leafs play, they play with an edge, it helps that they are already physical but watch Grabovsky play, watch Bozak play, hell even Kadri and Kulemin play like they are tough, to which they are not.

When's the last time you've seen Turris, Regin, Silfverberg play tough...
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-2 #103 sens23 2013-03-13 11:01
Quoting Andrews Theory:


You really don't have to look any further than Montreal or Toronto to prove that it works....last year both of these teams were scared of their own shadow, this year -not so much


not sure i follow this post

toronto had Orr last year and he won more fights last year than this year

and montreal adding a middle weight at best in prust makes them tougher to play against?

you are saying these teams turn arounds have nothing to do with both of them adding new coaches with strict team defense systems?
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-1 #104 Alcatraz 2013-03-13 11:03
Fighting Majors (actual league standings in brackets)

1- Toronto-27 (8)
2- Columbus-24 (24)
3- Philly-21 (22)
4- Vancouver-19 (9)
5- Boston-18 (5)
6- Tampa-18 (26)
7- Dallas-17 (20)
8- Los Angeles-16 (10)
9- Winnipeg-16 (18)
10- Buffalo-15 (27)

Or is it just the threat of having a goon? since only 4 of top 10 fighting leaders are in the top 10 in the league

There is no rhyme or reason to fighting and its correlation on success

Which teams have the most stars that would have a fear of being run around on?

Pittsburgh? (Malkin, Neal, Crosby, Letang)
Chicago? (Toews, Kane, Seabrook, Keith)

yet both are tied for 15th in fighting. I do remember people on here saying we shouldn't run or hit crosby at every chance we get because Engellend might retaliate!!!
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+1 #105 Alcatraz 2013-03-13 11:06
Quoting Tookie:
Quoting Alcatraz:

Your right

The reason for Toronto's turnaround this year has nothing to do with improved goaltending and team defense

Its cause Orr is actually playing this year


Improved defense and goaltending...lol Now your really searching for clues...


2011-2012 Team Save Percentage:
Toronto: .898(29th)

2012-2013 Team Save Percentage:
Toronto: .914(8th)

Ya I would say their turn around is defensive and goaltending related especially considering as you pointed out Kessle was slumping and they lost key guys up front
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+4 #106 Cooke-d 2013-03-13 11:06
Quoting SensChirp:
Game Day post will be slightly delayed today.


WHAT!?! NO!!!!!!! (head explodes)

Honestly Chirp, you should have posted a blog entilted 'Gameday Post' containing only three short words 'more to come'... I mean it works for Eklund...
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+3 #107 waterboy65 2013-03-13 11:09
Any one have any links to info on why Kassian was picked as early as he was in his draft year? 12 spots after Lattendresse, 5 spots ahead of Letang...

His junior numbers were meh..Late second round pick just for toughness?
Seems odd to me.
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+4 #108 NadislavLagy 2013-03-13 11:10
You know who thinks the Sens needed Kassian? Bryan Murray.
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0 #109 Alcatraz 2013-03-13 11:13
Quoting NadislavLagy:
You know who thinks the Sens needed Kassian? Bryan Murray.


I never said we dont need him

I'm sure Murray wanted extra bodies, and figured might as get some size and toughness for sure

But the fact people on here think he will make us play any differently is what I disagree with

He will play, he will serve a purpose btu I don't buy into the correlation that when Turris plays taller because he has a hired gun on the bench, means Turris will play better
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-3 #110 Alcatraz 2013-03-13 11:15
Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
Waivers today: Ben Eager (EDM), Nick Johnson (PHX), Rostislav Olesz (CHI).

We should get Eager!!!

With him and Kassian no one will touch us and we will always have the puck on our sticks
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-1 #111 Tookie 2013-03-13 11:17
Quoting Alcatraz:

Which teams have the most stars that would have a fear of being run around on?

Pittsburgh? (Malkin, Neal, Crosby, Letang)
Chicago? (Toews, Kane, Seabrook, Keith)

yet both are tied for 15th in fighting. I do remember people on here saying we shouldn't run or hit crosby at every chance we get because Engellend might retaliate!!!


No but Cooke would of!
Sorry bad joke...:(
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0 #112 Alcatraz 2013-03-13 11:19
Quoting Tookie:
Quoting Alcatraz:

Which teams have the most stars that would have a fear of being run around on?

Pittsburgh? (Malkin, Neal, Crosby, Letang)
Chicago? (Toews, Kane, Seabrook, Keith)

yet both are tied for 15th in fighting. I do remember people on here saying we shouldn't run or hit crosby at every chance we get because Engellend might retaliate!!!


No but Cooke would of!


So your saying Kassian is as useful as Cooke?

You can't compare them at all Cooke=Neil
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+2 #113 CohMa 2013-03-13 11:20
Quoting Alcatraz:
Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
Waivers today: Ben Eager (EDM), Nick Johnson (PHX), Rostislav Olesz (CHI).

We should get Eager!!!

With him and Kassian no one will touch us and we will always have the puck on our sticks


And the Sens can just roll 3 lines most of the game, except when they need a fight!
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0 #114 Alcatraz 2013-03-13 11:23
(i'm also polluting this comment section arguing with Tookie et al because waiting for game day post)

For those who hate arguments on here etc lol

It'll stop on new post

That being said, Kassian will serve a purpose

That purpose will not affect the outcome of any game we play score wise, or will it make our powerplay pick up and actually produce

I could probably guarantee it will affect our PK since we may hve some extra penalties to kill off now
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+3 #115 Merchaholic 2013-03-13 11:28
We should claim Alcatraz since he sounds like he might be the next Crosby.
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-1 #116 Tookie 2013-03-13 11:30
Quoting Alcatraz:

2011-2012 Team Save Percentage:
Toronto: .898(29th)

2012-2013 Team Save Percentage:
Toronto: .914(8th)

Ya I would say their turn around is defensive and goaltending related especially considering as you pointed out Kessle was slumping and they lost key guys up front


That kinda plays into what I'm trying to tell you, they had these same guys last year...yet were brutal...why so?

The mental game plays a huge part, no confidence means shitty play, get tougher, bigger and players get confident.
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0 #117 Tookie 2013-03-13 11:33
Quoting Alcatraz:

That purpose will not affect the outcome of any game we play score wise, or will it make our powerplay pick up and actually produce


And if by some miracle they do start to produce and the PP is all of a sudden magic...what will be your ingenious excuse then?

Players just decided to start playing? They drank extra gatorade? Or maybe doing more bike?

P.S. out for lunch and will not argue on new post either....that is until Alcatraz says something I dont like!
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0 #118 Alcatraz 2013-03-13 11:33
Quoting Tookie:
Quoting Alcatraz:

2011-2012 Team Save Percentage:
Toronto: .898(29th)

2012-2013 Team Save Percentage:
Toronto: .914(8th)

Ya I would say their turn around is defensive and goaltending related especially considering as you pointed out Kessle was slumping and they lost key guys up front


That kinda plays into what I'm trying to tell you, they had these same guys last year...yet were brutal...why so?

The mental game plays a huge part, no confidence means shitty play, get tougher, bigger and players get confident.


Ok then explain this:

2011-2012 Team SVP:
Ottawa: .917 (18th)

2012-2013 Team SVP:
Ottawa: .941 (1st)

But according to your logic we no longer have Carkner and Konopka so shouldn't we not have tried as hard?

How come your argument works for when Toronto svp increases, but I'm assuming it doesn't when ottawa's goes up?
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-3 #119 Alcatraz 2013-03-13 11:34
Quoting Tookie:
Quoting Alcatraz:

That purpose will not affect the outcome of any game we play score wise, or will it make our powerplay pick up and actually produce


And if by some miracle they do start to produce and the PP is all of a sudden magic...what will be your ingenious excuse then?

Players just decided to start playing? They drank extra gatorade? Or maybe doing more bike?


If Turris and Gonchar start hitting the net on the pp and we pass the puck better and maintain poession, I'll attribute to an improved PP to those poitns right there and nto to them being more confident cause Kassian si sitting on the bench
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+1 #120 NadislavLagy 2013-03-13 11:39
Lehner starts tonight.

And in some shocking and sad news, Blake Geoffrion has informed the Canadiens that he is retiring. He suffered a fractured skull last year.
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+1 #121 Hax 2013-03-13 11:43
You can't just equate fighting majors to players feeling protected.

Look up how many fighting majors Carkner had last year.

It's the deterrent factor.

Really, you might often see teams with a legit heavyweight having way less fights since A) some teams wouldn't have a match for him and B) they lesser guys would feel less of a need to drop the gloves themselves.

Bottom line, if we were 100% healthy we have no need (or room) for Kassian. Some have already pointed out the best deterrent is to have guys like Karlsson that can skate around the Orrs of the world so they either don't dress or if they do we score on the PPs they end up giving us with the dumb penalties.

With so much skill out of the lineup, we can use a guy like Kassian to give a tiny bit more room for Turris, Silfverberg etc.

BTW - I don't agree that Silfverberg is soft since he's often in the scrums. Similar to Alfie really.
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0 #122 Alcatraz 2013-03-13 11:49
I agree with you Hax

Kassian is useful cause hes an able body and will create room

But thats it, he will contribute to our playoff run success just as uch as anyone else who plays 5 min a night

Case in point look at Orr, close game last night in toronto and he is out on the ice with 10 minutes left, then its blown wide open

In the end wins and losses are what counts, and sure kassian and anyone who fights has an impact, but if our go to guys don't produce it won't matter how confident their goon makes them feel
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0 #123 Hax 2013-03-13 11:50
It's implied that I trust Murray and MacLean, but I still wonder why they didn't call Kramer up instead. 17 fights this year (between AHL and ECHL).

He was a scorer in junior but decided to turn into a fighter thinking it gave him a better shot at the NHL. (Edit: I think "scorer" is an overstatement, but he made a conscious decision in the WHL to change his style.)

I'm sure Kassian is a better fit or they would have gone with Kramer, but would be curious to hear from any Bingo fans on whether Kramer is a legit heavyweight or just another middleweight. (He's smaller or course but in terms of who he can fight.)
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0 #124 Alcatraz 2013-03-13 11:56
Quoting Hax:
It's implied that I trust Murray and MacLean, but I still wonder why they didn't call Kramer up instead. 17 fights this year (between AHL and ECHL).

He was a scorer in junior but decided to turn into a fighter thinking it gave him a better shot at the NHL. (Edit: I think "scorer" is an overstatement, but he made a conscious decision in the WHL to change his style.)

I'm sure Kassian is a better fit or they would have gone with Kramer, but would be curious to hear from any Bingo fans on whether Kramer is a legit heavyweight or just another middleweight. (He's smaller or course but in terms of who he can fight.)


I think it has alot to do with not taking anymore players from Bingo and ruining their team altogether

Also Kassian if he is coming in to fight, wont be nervous during game day when he knows Orr etc is on other team, instead of another Dizzy moment
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0 #125 spezzerman 2013-03-13 11:57
I think Kramer is way to small to be a heavyweight. He doesn't bring the "deterrent" factor that Kassian does. he is not quite 6 feet tall, not quite 200 pounds but a total gamer. He didn't just turn to fighting in junior, he always did. He is developing into our NEil replacement.

Furthermore, he is probably too much of a gamer for his own good. He would fight anyone and risk serious injury going against the heavies. I think the Sens have grander plans for him 3 or so years down the road.
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-1 #126 Hax 2013-03-13 12:10
Very good points spezzerman and Alcatraz.
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+1 #127 JayBanger 2013-03-13 12:26
Debate the relationship between success and fighting all you want. But what about the fact that by adding Kassian our younger players don't have to fight anymore? Dziurzynski is out with a concussion. Weircioch is lucky McQuaid didn't connect with any blows or he'd be out too. Young kids can't be scrapping vs heavyweights. Simple.
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-1 #128 Alcatraz 2013-03-13 12:29
Quoting JayBanger:
Debate the relationship between success and fighting all you want. But what about the fact that by adding Kassian our younger players don't have to fight anymore? Dziurzynski is out with a concussion. Weircioch is lucky McQuaid didn't connect with any blows or he'd be out too. Young kids can't be scrapping vs heavyweights. Simple.



I agree to a degree with Dizzy

But Dizzy was trying to prove he can bein the NHL, I'm not sure Kassian would have prevented that one

As for Weircioch, he was defending an in game hit, that occurred on that shift. Only way Kassian can prevent PW from fighting is if ZK is on ice at exact same moment

Unless you want Ottawa to be the team that has PW go over to McQuaid and tell him "you can't do that!!! Just wait till the next time your on the ice, Kassian will get you!"

Don't we all remember what happened to Buffalo when Miller got hit with no immediate response
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0 #129 Back checker 2013-03-13 12:30
Chirp,
Where is the game day?
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+1 #130 JayBanger 2013-03-13 12:44
Quoting Alcatraz:

Don't we all remember what happened to Buffalo when Miller got hit with no immediate response


Doesn't need to be an immediate response, just needs to be response. Carkner vs. Boyle last year was a great response and wasn't immediate. Players take notes.
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+5 #131 kingalfredsson 2013-03-13 12:48
Quoting Alcatraz:
Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie
Waivers today: Ben Eager (EDM), Nick Johnson (PHX), Rostislav Olesz (CHI).

We should get Eager!!!

With him and Kassian no one will touch us and we will always have the puck on our sticks



I agree and he's from Ottawa
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0 #132 No65* 2013-03-13 12:52
Ottawa could only get Eager if no teams behind in the standing claims him but I think he will be picked up.
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+2 #133 MethotToMyMadness 2013-03-13 13:05
Why is everyone upset with landing Kassian. BM wanted to add toughness, I don't think many disagreed it was needed. We have guys willing to drop the gloves, but these guys are not natural protectors or fighters. To make it worse, both times we get amassed 18+ minutes in PIMs for a visor.

Sure, one of our players will likely go back to the A. That will only help Bingo, as well as give quality on ice minutes to whomever it is. Kassian will sit out more often than not, depending on performance and opposition.

BM made a strategic move that adjusts the balance of heavyweight's in our division. Does this make us a better scoring team, no. As a fan, can you sit here and argue that the players on the ice won't feel a little bit better knowing they can get into the dirty area's more often per game, without getting shellacked? We can't say that teams won't continue to play tough, but if those players who take liberties continue to do so, input Kassian.
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+9 #134 DenisVial 2013-03-13 13:11
White smoke at the Sistine Chapel! That means Alfie's coming back for one more year!
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+9 #135 Sens of Peskyville 2013-03-13 13:14
Quoting MethotToMyMadness:
Why is everyone upset with landing Kassian.


Are you new to SensChirp? There are always people here upset with anything... and everything... and nothing...

Plus Tookie/Hax/Alca traz who are just generally upset with each other... and the inability of the rest of us to understand there obviously logical arguments and their questionable use of statistical evidence to prove that the world is flat and the sky is green.





New post yet???
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+2 #136 Andrews Theory 2013-03-13 13:25
Quote from Murray on Kassian...

He's a big strong guy, he's a very physical player, he's a very willing combatant. With the number of young players and injuries we have on our roster, there has got to be a sense of comfort that they can go out and play without being pushed around, which has happened a couple times here so we just felt it was a need and an addition that, given the opportunity to get one, a guy like this, a big guy, he's a young player and we're hoping that he'll work with our coaches and be a real contributor to our team.
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+1 #137 C.J. 2013-03-13 13:35
LMAO best post hahahaha

Quoting DajaSens:
Quoting MethotToMyMadness:
Why is everyone upset with landing Kassian.


Are you new to SensChirp? There are always people here upset with anything... and everything... and nothing...

Plus Tookie/Hax/Alcatraz who are just generally upset with each other... and the inability of the rest of us to understand there obviously logical arguments and their questionable use of statistical evidence to prove that the world is flat and the sky is green.





New post yet???
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-2 #138 IcySurfas 2013-03-13 13:35
Quoting Tookie:
We needed this badly, this will increase confidence in many players, knowing somebody's got their back, not only on a teammate level but its actually his JOB to do so!

Our guys have been playing very small lately.


This is a new low for you Tookie. Your saying that the players have been playing very small lately....Get the @^!* out of here with that. This group is completely gelled in a team effort, now more than any other time in recent memory. They are standing up for eachother, and protecting eachother when needed. You don't need a heavyweight "goon" on your team to feel that someone has got your back.

I am proud of this team and what they are doing for eachother.

Struggling...ye s, but the whole league knows and recognizes how much heart they have...its obvious. Except perhaps to you.

You say they are playing little...screw you, don't take away what they are accomplishing with so little.
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+1 #139 Hax 2013-03-13 13:42
Quoting DajaSens:
Plus Tookie/Hax/Alcatraz who are just generally upset with each other... and the inability of the rest of us to understand there obviously logical arguments and their questionable use of statistical evidence to prove that the world is flat and the sky is green.


Don't forget the whimpering losers who measure their self esteem by whether or not other posters disagree with them and who spend their day counting who posts the most comments.
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+1 #140 Sensin2014 2013-03-13 13:51
Obviously if Murray had a crystal ball and knew how many injuries we were going to have this year he'd have kept either Carkner or Konopka. But then again, he never could have expected such great help from Bingo.

Benoit was signed to solidify Bingo and MAYBE be an emergency call up. Boro and Gryba were supposed to be a year away at least. Wiercioch was supposed to get eased in as the 6/7 guy.

The list of forwards with similar stories is too long for the 1000 symbol limit.

Good signing, won't be regretted even when the team is 100% healthy. Extra year doesn't bother me either since he's likely fine as the 13th guy most nights and we need to move quantity for quality at some point anyway.
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0 #141 RUSHRLZ 2013-03-13 13:54
Quoting IcySurfas:

This is a new low for you Tookie. Your saying that the players have been playing very small lately....Get the @^!* out of here with that. This group is completely gelled in a team effort, now more than any other time in recent memory.


I hope you are being sarcastic... what kind of response did we have to EK65 getting put out on a cheap shot play? What about when Saint Anderson got smoked? Yeah, I'll never forget the look in Phillips eyes when that happened I would have sworn he was singing the Golden Grahams jingle in his head.

Guys take liberties with us, people here were furious then for lack of response. Couple weeks later? Philips taking the stupid penalties, Dziurzynski getting knocked out. Sure we try to play with jam + spirit and brotherhood but we have been playing small at times. And all season long too.
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-1 #142 Doc 2013-03-13 14:01
Quoting RUSHRLZ:

I hope you are being sarcastic... what kind of response did we have to EK65 getting put out on a cheap shot play? What about when Saint Anderson got smoked? Yeah, I'll never forget the look in Phillips eyes when that happened I would have sworn he was singing the Golden Grahams jingle in his head.

Guys take liberties with us, people here were furious then for lack of response. Couple weeks later? Philips taking the stupid penalties, Dziurzynski getting knocked out. Sure we try to play with jam + spirit and brotherhood but we have been playing small at times. And all season long too.


Agreed.

Also, why not wait until the guy plays at least ONE game before saying it was a bad trade. God damn people are impatient.
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0 #143 Alcatraz 2013-03-13 14:06
Just so I can clear the air, I never said it was a bad trade

My main argument was that I personally don't believe in the correlation between goon=victories

or the correlation that having a goon makes our stars play better

Will there be more fear with kassian? of course

Will people be less likely to run our stars, I could see it

Will this mean we win more? That still depends on whether or not we can shoot the puck and make saves
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0 #144 RUSHRLZ 2013-03-13 14:06
Quoting Doc:

Also, why not wait until the guy plays at least ONE game before saying it was a bad trade. God damn people are impatient.


Totally agree, whether it is a new team member or a hard luck dude back from an injury, welcome aboard the Sens train, we hope you enjoy a kick-ass journey!

This move cost us zilch and we are not knocking any deserving prospect out of a role - we are still stacked with'em!

I never blamed Murray for deciding to let Carks + Zenon go, but at the time I remarked I hope we bring in a cement head. There are many scenarios where a pugilist is really effective, and having so many young prospects and in graduated roles? We should have made this move weeks ago!
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+1 #145 The Apostle 2013-03-13 14:07
i have found nothing new to add to my knowledge of hockey on this site today.

But this is where I found out there was a new pope.

So that's a bonus.
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0 #146 Sensin2014 2013-03-13 14:07
Reality check here folks: Most of the people here are positive about the trade (more than I would expect).

It's a bit of a tough pill to swallow to admit we need to "waste" a roster spot on a guy who's not a potential star. Really every other guy in the lineup so far this year has had some level of potential to be in our long term plans. Even O'Brien and Daugavins could conceivably be part of a top 9 in the future.

Kassian won't be anything more than a reliable 4th liner which is less fun to get excited about.

And while this team hasn't exactly shrunk away from the physical stuff, there were plenty of times that I wish someone had gone after Cooke or other guys "taking liberties". Not sure even now if that would be smart or not but as a fan I wanted blood several times this year and didn't get it. Times when in the past Neil would have responded.

Kassian has a role and sadly we have use for it now.
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-1 #147 TheBoss 2013-03-13 14:09
Do you guys really think that players don't run Crosby/Malkin/L etang because they're afraid of Engelland/Cooke ? LOL

The reason they don't run those players is because it would do NOTHING since that team is so stacked that you probably wouldn't even notice the difference with one of them out of the line up... Same with the Hawks. You wanna talk about an organization with depth? Those are teams with depth, where everyone can contribute.

And the end of the day, you better score, or find ways to score if you want to win games. Im hoping, pessimistically , that with Kassian on the ice, Turris will now go on a torrid scoring streak...

Tell me again how the Sabres are doing after adding some grit? Exactly.
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+1 #148 lbernier 2013-03-13 14:10
Same lines for tonight, Lehner to start in goal, Kassian will arrive in Ottawa around 7-8 pm tonight and will skate with the team tomorrow

Sens need a big 2 points here tonight to gain some ground in the standings again.
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+1 #149 TheBoss 2013-03-13 14:14
And on the Habs... they didn't get bigger and better. They just got better granted they did add one or two bigger bodies. They still have tons of small guys, but really, they just implemented a much better system, and their role players are stepping up their game, hence why they're as hot as they are this year.

Have to say, the NE is ridiculous right now. 4/5 teams in playoff positions... at the expense of the Atlantic division too!
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+1 #150 JustSayin 2013-03-13 14:15
There are two ways to prevent the other team from playing goons or taking runs at star players.

The BEST way is to have a team that is so deep, skilled and fast that they simply can't crush anyone or if they happen to get lucky they still get beaten (as TheBoss points out). If our team is 100% healthy I can't see any team wanting to even dress their goon since they'd need every bit of skill they can dress to have a hope of beating us and certainly wouldn't want to risk penalty trouble.

The other way is to have a guy like Carkner was who can give the other bench the dirty eyeball and keep them in line. That approach doesn't work nearly as well but it's better than having guys like Phillips, Wiercioch, Daugavins and Alfie having to take major penalties.
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+1 #151 The Apostle 2013-03-13 14:16
The Pope may be Argentinian, but God is still Swedish.
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0 #152 RUSHRLZ 2013-03-13 14:17
Quoting DenisVial:
White smoke at the Sistine Chapel! That means Alfie's coming back for one more year!


This falls in line with (edit) The Apostle's recent comment.

I was sick of Pope jokes days ago, so may bad ones on Twitterverse. This one though from esteemed Mr. Vial is the best one I've seen!

Praise Alfie!
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0 #153 383 2013-03-13 14:21
Quoting DenisVial:
White smoke at the Sistine Chapel! That means Alfie's coming back for one more year!


Well played Sir.

Go Muthafuckin' Sens Go!!!!
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0 #154 RUSHRLZ 2013-03-13 14:22
TSN should start playing the anthems.

COMMIES.
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+1 #155 383 2013-03-13 14:26
Also, WE NEED 2 pts tonight in REGY!

The hockey Gods helped us last night with basically every game going in our favour.

Sens 3-0
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0 #156 Doc 2013-03-13 14:34
Just remembered that Prust is out for a while.

*snicker*
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0 #157 Mr Hockey 2013-03-13 14:41
Quoting The Apostle:
i have found nothing new to add to my knowledge of hockey on this site today.

But this is where I found out there was a new pope.

So that's a bonus.


Me too haha
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