Sunday, 10 March 2013 08:59

Murray Shopping for Toughness, Scoring

The Ottawa Senators closed out their road swing with a huge win on Friday night at Madison Square Garden.

Jakub Silfverberg played the role of hero, scoring with just under 4:00 minutes left, giving the Sens a much needed two points. Ottawa now returns home for a game against the Bruins in Monday night before heading back on the road for stops in Montreal and Buffalo.

And while the team has some big games coming up on the ice, Sens GM Bryan Murray continues to search for options to help out the team's scoring and toughness.

Shopping is one thing but in this case Bryan Murray's job is made pretty difficult by the fact that he'll likely need to send money out before he can take on any new contracts. Just the reality of the Sens current situation.

On the toughness front, the Senators are looking for a guy that can drop the gloves but also take a regular shift. There are rumours Ryane Clowe could be available in San Jose but he's been playing hurt most of the season and has struggled to get anything going offensively. Clowe is an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season.

If the Panthers do sell like some are expecting, George Parros could be an option for the Senators. Parros has one more year on a deal that pays him $950,000 a season.

And as I've mentioned a few times, the Senators will keep a close eye on the situation in Anaheim. With Getzlaf signing a big deal late last week, the thinking is Corey Perry could be available.

The Ducks are going to ask for a whole lot if they do move Perry and there will be no shortage of teams involved. Murray has demonstrated an interest in Perry since early in the season but he's certainly not alone.  Bruce Garrioch has also suggested that Matt Cullen could be an option for the Senators.

The biggest addition for the Senators could come in the form of Jason Spezza, who is expected to return to the Ottawa line up before the end of the month if his rehab continues the way it has as of late.

The NHL Trade Deadline is set for April 3.

The Sens are on the ice for practice at the Sensplex at 11:00 AM today.  Will pass along any updates afterwards.

  • Keep an eye on the site later today as I'll be announcing a new feature here on SensChirp.  It's a new addition that will give SensChirp readers a place to voice their opinions on the Sens and the NHL in general.  More details coming later today.
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0 #1 relax 2013-03-10 09:19
what would it cost to trade for corey perry's rights?

we are missing some key players right now and perry would more benefit us next year to make a cup run. Anaheim keeps him for this years cup run and we pay a lot less and get first crack at hi.
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+2 #2 AlfieforMayor11 2013-03-10 09:30
Chirp I gotta ask, is this budget thing a long-term issue, or is it just part of the plan while rebuilding?

I'm hoping Melnyk will be ready to spend when the time is right, but I really have my doubts.
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+1 #3 AlfieforMayor11 2013-03-10 09:41
The big question for tomorrow night is who starts in goal?

Maclean has been rotating Bishop and Lehner every night, but with Lehner getting his first win of the season on friday, and picking up points in his other two starts, does Mac go back to Robin against the Bruins?

Lehner should have had both goals by the Rangers, he said so himself, and Bishop should have had 2 or 3 of the Leafs' goals. The difference was Lehner stood on his head the rest of the game and got the win and while Bishop didn't.

It should be interesting to see what the coach decides. I would go back to Lehner though, he seems to play great against the Bruins.
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+7 #4 SensChirp 2013-03-10 10:05
No Anderson at practice today. Would assume that means we see Robin Lehner tomorrow against Boston.
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-7 #5 jakester 2013-03-10 10:08
People seem to think that Perry is impossible. the Sens just have to move Gonchar and Anderson and there you have 8 million bucks. Do I think it's necessary, no not really. I think the Sens should move Gonchar to get a young D man though. Lehner and Bishop have proved that they can carry the ball as well. Things could get interesting for sure.
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+3 #6 jakester 2013-03-10 10:13
When Lehner made the stop the other night and then batted the puck in the corner, he reminded me of Patrick Roy. I said to myself the Rangers are toast, they aren't putting another behind this guy. I'd seen him have that same reaction in Bingo earlier in the year. when he bears down he's tough.
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+8 #7 AlfieforMayor11 2013-03-10 10:22
Jakester trading Andy would be a terrible idea. He's still the best, most polished goaltender we have and he's a great leader, great teammate and is such a character guy.

Bishop will be the guy the Sens trade, whether it's before the deadline, at the draft or during the offseason. There's still a lot Lehner has to learn, and Andy's a guy that can show him how to be a big league netminder.

Personally I think it would be best to keep Bishop until the offseason, so we can have Lehner down in Bingo for another Calder Cup run
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-5 #8 jakester 2013-03-10 10:32
I agree with you, but the feeling I'm getting is that they are looking for the biggest return and to shed some cash.

Another thing, If the Sens do trade Gonchar, it really wouldn't surprise me if they called up Ceci once Owen Sound is eliminated. The kid is a Powerplay specialist, all depends on what they get for Gonchar for sure.
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-14 #9 hoee 2013-03-10 10:36
Bishop for Briere
Regin for Douglas Murray

Call it a day.
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-56 #10 conor_smythe 2013-03-10 10:45
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
Jakester trading Andy would be a terrible idea. He's still the best, most polished goaltender we have and he's a great leader, great teammate and is such a character guy.

Bishop will be the guy the Sens trade, whether it's before the deadline, at the draft or during the offseason. There's still a lot Lehner has to learn, and Andy's a guy that can show him how to be a big league netminder.



I would trade Lehner if it came down to one of our goalies. Anderson is just too good, and Bishop's confidence/comp osure/poise puts Lehner to shame


Didn't the Murrays draft 2 goalies this past year as well? Ride Anderson til Bishop is number 1. Ride Bishop till one of the young guys steps up. Its a numbers game and Lehner is number 3

It actually kind of sucks that Lehner got so good, so quick, he's pretty much forcing our hand here.. little does he know we have pocket aces
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-9 #11 conor_smythe 2013-03-10 10:49
^^^ prepared for -1000 in the thumbs down department

god forbid you should suggest trading a player that other teams might actually want!
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+9 #12 DrSens 2013-03-10 10:54
Quoting conor_smythe:
[quote name="AlfieforMayor11"]
It actually kind of sucks that Lehner got so good, so quick, he's pretty much forcing our hand here.. little does he know we have pocket aces


I don't know what team your watching man. But Bishop's numbers have been worse than Lehner's this year.

They are both wanted by teams across the league. But if this team is to win a cup in the next 5 years, it's going to be with Lehner (maybe Andy) in nets with Bishop as potential backup.

Lehner has more confidence, gets angrier and wants to win more than Bish. Not to mention goalie fights are fantastic
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+11 #13 Andrews Theory 2013-03-10 10:55
I had suggested Cullen about three weeks ago and everyone thought I was crazy...he would immediately improve our team balance and wouldn't cost that much. Add in Parros for a 6th rounder and dress him as needed.

As an aside, it infuriates me that the oilers once again suck..they look like favorites to win the draft lottery yet again...there really should be a rule that prevents a team from getting the first overall pick in back to back years..it's disgusting, insulting to all those that follow hockey that a team can stck their thumb up their ass for 4 years with no effort to improve while raping the draft pool of all of the young elite players.

Please hockey gods, don't waste another high end player on this joke of a team. As talented as their young core is, they have no leadership and as a result, a lot of these guys will likely never reach the potential they could elsewhere.

Last point.. Trade Bishop to the Oil for a talented winger please.
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+3 #14 spezzerman 2013-03-10 11:00
at least the Oilers will only have a 25% chance to get that #1 pick this year.
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-7 #15 AlfieforMayor11 2013-03-10 11:07
Yeah I can't believe how much the Oilers blow. All that talent but no leadership, no defense, no coaching, and a foolish GM.

I don't know how Tambellini still has a job. It might soon be time for them to move one of their big 4 for some defensive help. I wonder if in the off season a deal around Cowen+ for Eberle could be a possibility. I highly doubt it but it would be sick.
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0 #16 jakester 2013-03-10 11:23
I don't think that Bishop gets you one of Edmonton's stud forwards. Bishop plus something might get you Pajaarvi. I'd be for that cuz he's coming around now.
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-7 #17 conor_smythe 2013-03-10 11:35
Quoting jakester:
I don't think that Bishop gets you one of Edmonton's stud forwards. Bishop plus something might get you Pajaarvi. I'd be for that cuz he's coming around now.



What do you think about Bishop for Smid?

Murrays had his eye on him for a while and if similar stories are true about Methot, Murray doesn't give up when he likes somebody

Plus (its getting annoying to repeat) Ottawa needs a defenceman, not a forward
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0 #18 jakester 2013-03-10 11:39
I'd be fine with Smid he blocks a lot of shots. Not always about needs you go get the high skill player and then move other pieces for that D-man. I have a funny feeling that Cowen might be back before the end of the year too. The kid might need some NHL cash.
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0 #19 hq8 2013-03-10 11:40
i know people dont like him here too much and im one of them too, but watching dustin penner yesterday on LA's second line - he would be a fit for the sens. everyone agrees that the thing for Penner is motivation and i feel Paul Maclean is the kind of guy who gets guys motivated to play for him and play hard.

the other guy who would be a fit but its probably a pipe dream - Jarome Iginla. I think with Iginla and Alfie on the sens top two lines, it will give the sens some serious leadership and skill.
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+1 #20 jakester 2013-03-10 11:40
What's nice about Pajaarvi is that he's big and can skate and can play the left side.
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+5 #21 SensFanInMTL 2013-03-10 11:42
The biggest addition for the Senators could come in the form of Jason Spezza, who is expected to return to the Ottawa line up before the end of the month if his rehab continues the way it has as of late.

At end's month? That means he'll get to play more than 15 games at most. That's amazing. So happy he'd be able to come back before the playoffs. I don't know the effect it will have without Karlsson. I don't even want to imagine. By June twenty-somethin g, hopefully the league can approve his name being written on the Cup regardless of the games missed and will receive the ring anyway!
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+7 #22 jakester 2013-03-10 11:42
Penner would slow us down I think. I think Stone can play that role with more skill right now.
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-3 #23 conor_smythe 2013-03-10 11:45
Quoting jakester:
Not always about needs you go get the high skill player and then move other pieces for that D-man.



True, in a rebuilding philosophy you're absolutely right

I was thinking more of a "contending philosophy". where we have most of the right pieces and just need to fill a couple (temporary) holes left by injuries


then with Gonchar gone, and Phillips hopefully traded (NTC expires this year) Smid (or any other 4-5 defenceman) could fit in really well long-term
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+2 #24 hq8 2013-03-10 11:47
Quoting jakester:
Penner would slow us down I think. I think Stone can play that role with more skill right now.


yes in unmotivated form he would slow us down, but if PM can make this guy click he is very very useful, not to mention he already has two cups and was a key piece on both teams when winning.
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0 #25 jakester 2013-03-10 11:50
Well u have to figure that Tambellini is fighting for his job now , maybe a multiple player deal Smid and Pajaarvi for Greening and Bishop plus would help both teams.
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-3 #26 jakester 2013-03-10 11:51
I don't hate Penner.
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-10 #27 jakester 2013-03-10 11:53
Penner could give Spezza and Michalek room out there.
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+13 #28 $OTT4Life$ 2013-03-10 11:53
George Parros? Would have rather kept Carkner.
At least Carks played a regular shift and was in "my opnion" tougher and all around better hockey player.
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0 #29 AlfieforMayor11 2013-03-10 11:55
Quoting hq8:
i know people dont like him here too much and im one of them too, but watching dustin penner yesterday on LA's second line - he would be a fit for the sens. everyone agrees that the thing for Penner is motivation and i feel Paul Maclean is the kind of guy who gets guys motivated to play for him and play hard.


The thing with Penner is that he's only good when he's the third wheel along side two stars. He was great on Anaheim playing with Getzlaf and Perry and now he looks good in LA playing on a line with Richards and Carter.

Would he look good with Spezza and Michalek? Who knows.
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+1 #30 hq8 2013-03-10 11:57
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
Quoting hq8:
i know people dont like him here too much and im one of them too, but watching dustin penner yesterday on LA's second line - he would be a fit for the sens. everyone agrees that the thing for Penner is motivation and i feel Paul Maclean is the kind of guy who gets guys motivated to play for him and play hard.


The thing with Penner is that he's only good when he's the third wheel along side two stars. He was great on Anaheim playing with Getzlaf and Perry and now he looks good in LA playing on a line with Richards and Carter.

Would he look good with Spezza and Michalek? Who knows.


true that too. but watching the game yesterday, he is pretty useful one man in -big body, can skate hard and has hands. can you imagine him on the sens PP?
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-1 #31 DrSens 2013-03-10 12:05
Untouchables in the Org

Alfie
Karlsson
Spezza
Lehner
Cowen
Methot
Condra
Neiler
Ceci
Silfverbger/Zibanejad

Cowen for Pajaarvi is the dumbest idea ever. Another weak winger with talent. We already have Turris to worry about taking on pounds
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+9 #32 NikoTn 2013-03-10 12:13
Quoting DrSens:
Untouchables in the Org

Alfie
Karlsson
Spezza
Lehner
Cowen
Methot
Condra
Neiler
Ceci
Silfverbger/Zibanejad

Cowen for Pajaarvi is the dumbest idea ever. Another weak winger with talent. We already have Turris to worry about taking on pounds


Prospects cant be untouchables.
Condra? Really?
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+5 #33 WolfInSheepsClothes 2013-03-10 12:13
What about Kris Versteeg? He's a bit pricey but he is a consistent 20+ goal scorer and we could get him for next to nothing (a 2nd or 3rd rounder).
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+6 #34 AlfieforMayor11 2013-03-10 12:14
Quoting DrSens:
Untouchables in the Org

Alfie
Karlsson
Spezza
Lehner
Cowen
Methot
Condra
Neiler
Ceci
Silfverbger/Zibanejad

Cowen for Pajaarvi is the dumbest idea ever. Another weak winger with talent. We already have Turris to worry about taking on pounds


No one said Cowen for Pajaarvi
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+8 #35 jakester 2013-03-10 12:14
Cowen is worth a lot more than Pajaarvi. You don't trade Cowen.
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-1 #36 Team Owner 2013-03-10 12:16
Quoting hoee:
Bishop for Briere


Not in the budget
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0 #37 hq8 2013-03-10 12:18
Quoting WolfInSheepsClothes:
What about Kris Versteeg? He's a bit pricey but he is a consistent 20+ goal scorer and we could get him for next to nothing (a 2nd or 3rd rounder).


yea another useful playoff body - but doubt it that Tallon would let him go, probably an untouchable in FLA.
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-5 #38 Big Daddy 2013-03-10 12:20
I like Condra and think he should stay. Top three available players for trade bait should be Bishop, Puempel and Prince. I really hope Noesen is not packaged together with any deal.
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+8 #39 jakester 2013-03-10 12:24
The way Prince is developing I'd be tempted to keep him.
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+1 #40 DrSens 2013-03-10 12:28
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
Quoting DrSens:
Untouchables in the Org

Alfie
Karlsson
Spezza
Lehner
Cowen
Methot
Condra
Neiler
Ceci
Silfverbger/Zibanejad

Cowen for Pajaarvi is the dumbest idea ever. Another weak winger with talent. We already have Turris to worry about taking on pounds


No one said Cowen for Pajaarvi


didn't read that properly. Eberle would make more sense. Still need to see what Silf-Zbad give us. But Cowen and Methot are our defensive anchors. Plus Karlsson of course.
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-2 #41 Kumar, S 2013-03-10 12:31
Perry can be had but we will have to trade MM, Zibanejaad and a 2014 1st pick. Why Zibanejaad ? because Anaheim is in need of a second line center.

Or if you trade Andy, which I will not like to see happening and he could get us a center and a mid-round pick. It can be used for Perry's trade.

Perry in Sens uniform will boost our chances immensely of heading to the cup finals next season. Again all stay healthy.
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-1 #42 TheBoss 2013-03-10 12:33
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
Yeah I can't believe how much the Oilers blow. All that talent but no leadership, no defense, no coaching, and a foolish GM.

I don't know how Tambellini still has a job. It might soon be time for them to move one of their big 4 for some defensive help. I wonder if in the off season a deal around Cowen+ for Eberle could be a possibility. I highly doubt it but it would be sick.


They just need a solid goalie back there and more experienced D. Give Schultz a year or two in the NHL before he starts putting up big points man. Guaranteed he'll be 40/50 pt D man easily. Not to mention they have Klefbom coming in shortly.

They will turn the ship around, it's a given with all that talent they have.
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0 #43 jakester 2013-03-10 12:37
Maybe you trade MM with DaCosta and our 1st. I would keep Zibby and Silfverberg. They look like keepers. What I like about Prince and Puempel is that they are both left hand shots and the Sens are lacking in that department. No doubt Sens have more assets than most teams if they go after Perry. Lots of wingers coming down our pipeline in a year or two so Sens can swing some in a trade.
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-10 #44 Kumar, S 2013-03-10 12:41
Anaheim is interested in a NHL ready center and who has been playing and have contributed.

We need to give something valuable to get a priced weapon.

Otherwise, simply go with an option with lesser guys who have the potential.

May be Da' Costa and Bishop for Parjaavi and Perros for O'Brien.
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+6 #45 AlfieforMayor11 2013-03-10 12:56
Watching the Rangers/Caps game. I hate how good Nash is. Sure would have looked good in a Sens jersey if he had agreed to that trade.

Sure hope Lehner and Zibanejad develop into stars one day.
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+3 #46 hq8 2013-03-10 12:56
um if perry is hitting open market, there is zero need to trade anyone for him.
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+3 #47 AlfieforMayor11 2013-03-10 12:59
Quoting hq8:
um if perry is hitting open market, there is zero need to trade anyone for him.


Yeah there's little doubt Perry wants to test free agency at this point. It would be moronic to trade for him if that's the case. Lets just take our best shot at him this summer.
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-2 #48 Mexican Baby Jesus 2013-03-10 13:00
Lehner untouchable.

Bishop and Anderson can be had at the RIGHT price. If you get a great offer for either of them, you don't say no.
Eg. Pajarvi for Bishop.
Grabner, Niederreiter and good pick for Anderson.
Just my opinion.
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-3 #49 Sensnation 2013-03-10 13:01
Quoting conor_smythe:

I would trade Lehner if it came down to one of our goalies. Anderson is just too good, and Bishop's confidence/composure/poise puts Lehner to shame

Didn't the Murrays draft 2 goalies this past year as well? Ride Anderson til Bishop is number 1. Ride Bishop till one of the young guys steps up. Its a numbers game and Lehner is number 3
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So happy you are not running the show here. Worst assessment of our goalie situation!

Lehner is the 1 goalie you don't trade. He's a superstar in the making. Remember when Toronto gave up Rask, that's what you'd be doing. He's now one of the top 5 goalies in the league.

Anderson is not going to be this good for much longer and will give you the highest return. Bishop is likely not a starter in the NHL, but I imagine a team would take a chance on him to figure it out.
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0 #50 Team Owner 2013-03-10 13:03
Quoting hq8:
um if perry is hitting open market, there is zero need to trade anyone for him.


EXACTLY

Perry will not be suckered into a sign-and-trade deal.

Picking up an expensive rental for a Cup run without King Karl makes no sense.

If CP becomes an UFA then the Senators can join the herd of teams trying to sign him.
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0 #51 Sensnation 2013-03-10 13:07
Quoting TheBoss:
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
Yeah I can't believe how much the Oilers blow. All that talent but no leadership, no defense, no coaching, and a foolish GM.

I don't know how Tambellini still has a job. It might soon be time for them to move one of their big 4 for some defensive help. I wonder if in the off season a deal around Cowen+ for Eberle could be a possibility. I highly doubt it but it would be sick.


They just need a solid goalie back there and more experienced D. Give Schultz a year or two in the NHL before he starts putting up big points man. Guaranteed he'll be 40/50 pt D man easily. Not to mention they have Klefbom coming in shortly.

They will turn the ship around, it's a given with all that talent they have.


FYI Schultz has 13points in 24games, that's a 44pt pace in a full season.
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+7 #52 WeAreSensFans! 2013-03-10 13:10
i've got to say if it weren't for brian boyle we would've beat the rangers last year. we drafted his brother and he has a 1.7 cap hit.

he has been scratched a few times this year. we all know he can score for a big body.

i think he'd be the most serviceable guy who big and can skate and score.

i know it sucks that we hate him because of the karlsson inccident but after carkner got him i'd be ok to see his as a senator.

boyle is not a goon, he can play and hit. something the management wants and seen him make a difference on the scoresheet in the playoffs.

Brian Boyle would be my pickup as a gm.
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+1 #53 Sensnation 2013-03-10 13:13
Short of moving out pieces like Gonchar, or one of the goalies, I'm fine with the sens sticking status quo this year.

Clowe would help if they could get him on the cheap, but just let the kids play it out and learn aside from that. Spezza's back in a bit, and Karlsson/Cowen likely won't be back this year.

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Also I'd like to say I've been very pleased with the all around game of Mark Stone. He's a lot more physical then I expected and really strong on the puck. Hopefully he gets reunited with Spezza at some point.
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+7 #54 Sandy 2013-03-10 13:14
I really doubt Perry is traded during the season. With the Ducks sitting high in the West.. why would they trade their best forward? They are never getting anyone back as good as him. Why would they hurt their playoff position?
I think he re-signs in Anaheim.. But if he doesn't, he probably gets traded at the draft..

Chirp, good to hear that Karlsson is out of his cast and on the mend.

I'm hoping the Sens can stay in the playoff position until Spezza comes back.

I don't want Murray to trade for a rental. This team, without Karlsson & Cowen, is not a Cup contender this season.

The Sens played a better game on Friday with Michalek & Stone in the lineup.. The return of Spezza will certainly help the offense with everyone in the proper places..
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0 #55 Sandy 2013-03-10 13:16
Quoting WeAreSensFans!:
i've got to say if it weren't for brian boyle we would've beat the rangers last year. we drafted his brother and he has a 1.7 cap hit.

he has been scratched a few times this year. we all know he can score for a big body.

i think he'd be the most serviceable guy who big and can skate and score.

i know it sucks that we hate him because of the karlsson inccident but after carkner got him i'd be ok to see his as a senator.

boyle is not a goon, he can play and hit. something the management wants and seen him make a difference on the scoresheet in the playoffs.

Brian Boyle would be my pickup as a gm.



Boyle scored today for the Rangers against the Caps..
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+5 #56 AlfieforMayor11 2013-03-10 13:21
I don't think the Sens trade Gonchar if they are still in the playoff mix, which I expect they will be. He's been solid for us this year, especially since Karlsson went down, and he's the only pp quarterback we have.

I'm sure Murray will listen to offers for Gonchar but I can't see him receiving anything worthwhile. I know some of you will disagree but I think he is very valuable to the Sens right now.

If we're in the top 8 by the trade deadline, what kind of message would it send to the rest of the team to sell solid veterans like Gonchar? This team works their asses off night in and night out. You want to reward them for their efforts. That's the Bryan Murray way of doing things.
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+2 #57 WeAreSensFans! 2013-03-10 13:26
Quoting Sandy:
Quoting WeAreSensFans!:
i've got to say if it weren't for brian boyle we would've beat the rangers last year. we drafted his brother and he has a 1.7 cap hit.

he has been scratched a few times this year. we all know he can score for a big body.

i think he'd be the most serviceable guy who big and can skate and score.

i know it sucks that we hate him because of the karlsson inccident but after carkner got him i'd be ok to see his as a senator.

boyle is not a goon, he can play and hit. something the management wants and seen him make a difference on the scoresheet in the playoffs.

Brian Boyle would be my pickup as a gm.



Boyle scored today for the Rangers against the Caps..


even better,

trade lundin (when healthy) for boyle and call it a day.

rangers need defence.
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-4 #58 kingalfredsson 2013-03-10 13:40
For toughness,
I would do Regin for Eager
or
Sign Zack Stortini
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0 #59 Sensnation 2013-03-10 14:14
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
I don't think the Sens trade Gonchar if they are still in the playoff mix, which I expect they will be. He's been solid for us this year, especially since Karlsson went down, and he's the only pp quarterback we have.

I'm sure Murray will listen to offers for Gonchar but I can't see him receiving anything worthwhile. I know some of you will disagree but I think he is very valuable to the Sens right now.

If we're in the top 8 by the trade deadline, what kind of message would it send to the rest of the team to sell solid veterans like Gonchar? This team works their asses off night in and night out. You want to reward them for their efforts. That's the Bryan Murray way of doing things.


I don't disagree, and to clarify I wasn't saying they HAVE to trade him. Just if there's moves to be made I'd consider him among one of 3 or 4 possibilities the Sens have, along with Bishop, Regin or Smith, and maybe Lundin.
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-7 #60 Dave_Sens 2013-03-10 14:25
The best deal of the year for the Sens:

Versteeg,Kopecky,Parros to Ottawa

1st round pick to Florida

Or maybe i'm drunk?
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+2 #61 Sandy 2013-03-10 14:25
I don't believe the Sens trade Smith. He's a good 3rd line centre on this team and a good PK guy. And look what he did with Alfie & Michalek against the Rangers.

I would have said last year that Greening was an untouchable.. probably because he was one of McLean's favourites... but this season.. I just don't know.
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+2 #62 AllStarAlfie 2013-03-10 14:30
In my opinion there is no doubt that lehner wil be better than bishop (if he isn't already). He has more potential and bishop is more of a solid backup than a starter.

We should wait till the offseason to try and get perry, no need in tradi g our future prospects when they are doing so well. And finally I'm not sure about parros...his stache might cause conflict with maclean's stache
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+1 #63 Sandy 2013-03-10 14:30
Quoting Dave_Sens:
The best deal of the year for the Sens:

Versteeg,Kopecky,Parros to Ottawa

1st round pick to Florida

Or maybe i'm drunk?



You're drunk.

I don't want the Sens to give away their 1st round pick in a year that they are not Cup favourites -- unless of course it's for a good young player that will be a great fit for the Sens in the future.

Now, Parros if I remember was a pain in the ass of the Sens during the SCF with Anaheim. I would go for him but not for much..
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-3 #64 AllStarAlfie 2013-03-10 14:31
Also we aren't trading gonchar. We need him for this year but I think we will let him walk in the offseason (frees up cap space)
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0 #65 Sens of Peskyville 2013-03-10 14:33
Was chatting with a buddy last night (laffs fan)... he said he read on one of the blogs (hockey buzz, likely) of Kessel + 2nd for Perry...

That sort of makes sense for both teams... but sucks for us if Perry ends up in TO.
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+2 #66 Sens of Peskyville 2013-03-10 14:34
Quoting WeAreSensFans!:
Quoting Sandy:



Boyle scored today for the Rangers against the Caps..


even better,

trade lundin (when healthy) for boyle and call it a day.

rangers need defence.


I like the idea of boyle... as long as he can play nice with EK
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-3 #67 hoee 2013-03-10 14:42
For scoring help, I would look at Pierre Marc Bouchard, he is another option that could be had for cheap, as he is a healthy scratch again. He has had multiple 50-60 point season in this league, and is only 28, so he can fit in with this team's long term plans if needed. He also can play RW or C, if he rejuvenates his career he could be our cheap Alfie replacement, he is also a UFA this year, so if it doesn't work out then you don't have to resign him.

Also I don't get why you people keep putting Puempel in your trade requests, he is one of our best goal scoring prospects, all he has done in juniors is put the puck in the net, plus being a natural lefty, he is very valuable to this organization.

He just scored another goal, making it 33 goals in 50 games, he is on a tear, could have been better if he didnt get injured. Has 116 goals in 193 games in the OHL. that is nuts, 208 points.Noesen 213 in 2012 games.

Reminds me of Neal, just knows how to score.
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-1 #68 Sandy 2013-03-10 14:45
I remember Murray saying he does not want to give up first round picks or prospects drafted in the first round...

As for Kessel & a 2nd for Perry.. would that be for a rental? They have no guarantee that Perry will sign to stay in Toronto.

If he hits UFA... I think he stays in the US.

Philly will go hard.. so will the Rangers. Rangers don't have the cap room right now.. but they would just buy out Gaborik..
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-5 #69 WeAreSensFans! 2013-03-10 14:55
Quoting Sandy:
I remember Murray saying he does not want to give up first round picks or prospects drafted in the first round...

As for Kessel & a 2nd for Perry.. would that be for a rental? They have no guarantee that Perry will sign to stay in Toronto.

If he hits UFA... I think he stays in the US.

Philly will go hard.. so will the Rangers. Rangers don't have the cap room right now.. but they would just buy out Gaborik..


just make it a 3way deal, we'll take gaborik and boyle for lundin and bishop.
then it frees up cap room for the rangers and we get a scoring winger. he has 1 year left at 7.s so no major commitment with alfie and gonchar cap hits leaving. although i'm putting money on alfie resigning and on the cheap 1.5 or so.
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-7 #70 conor_smythe 2013-03-10 15:12
Quoting Sensnation:


Worst assessment of our goalie situation!

Lehner is the 1 goalie you don't trade. He's a superstar in the making. Remember when Toronto gave up Rask, that's what you'd be doing. He's now one of the top 5 goalies in the league.


I have an excellent assessment of our goalies

Jonathan quick: 26
Tim Tomas: 39
Anti Niemi: 26
MA Fleury: 26
chris osgoode: 35
JS giguere: 30
Khabibulin: 30


These are the past 7 stanley cup winning goalies and their age at the time of winning.

We have 2 good, experie nced goalies NOW. why would we trade one, just to make room for somebody who will be good in 5 years?

heck, lets just trade Spezza and Alfredsson, we've still got Silf and Zibby. thats basically what you just said!

BTW, a monkey could play for Boston and have the best numbers in the league
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+1 #71 Mexican Baby Jesus 2013-03-10 15:15
Quoting WeAreSensFans!:
Quoting Sandy:
I remember Murray saying he does not want to give up first round picks or prospects drafted in the first round...

As for Kessel & a 2nd for Perry.. would that be for a rental? They have no guarantee that Perry will sign to stay in Toronto.

If he hits UFA... I think he stays in the US.

Philly will go hard.. so will the Rangers. Rangers don't have the cap room right now.. but they would just buy out Gaborik..


just make it a 3way deal, we'll take gaborik and boyle for lundin and bishop.
then it frees up cap room for the rangers and we get a scoring winger. he has 1 year left at 7.s so no major commitment with alfie and gonchar cap hits leaving. although i'm putting money on alfie resigning and on the cheap 1.5 or so.

You're also drunk
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+3 #72 GreeningTheMonster 2013-03-10 15:16
Quoting conor_smythe:
Quoting Sensnation:


Worst assessment of our goalie situation!

Lehner is the 1 goalie you don't trade. He's a superstar in the making. Remember when Toronto gave up Rask, that's what you'd be doing. He's now one of the top 5 goalies in the league.


I have an excellent assessment of our goalies

Jonathan quick: 26
Tim Tomas: 39
Anti Niemi: 26
MA Fleury: 26
chris osgoode: 35
JS giguere: 30
Khabibulin: 30


These are the past 7 stanley cup winning goalies and their age at the time of winning.

We have 2 good, experienced goalies NOW. why would we trade one, just to make room for somebody who will be good in 5 years?

this is hilarious considering u went straight from js giguere to khabibulin, and u missed cam ward in 06 who was 22. nice try though
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+2 #73 Mexican Baby Jesus 2013-03-10 15:20
Quoting conor_smythe:
Quoting Sensnation:

I have an excellent assessment of our goalies
Jonathan quick: 26
Tim Tomas: 39
Anti Niemi: 26
MA Fleury: 26
chris osgoode: 35
JS giguere: 30
Khabibulin: 30


These are the past 7 stanley cup winning goalies and their age at the time of winning.

We have 2 good, experienced goalies NOW. why would we trade one, just to make room for somebody who will be good in 5 years?

heck, lets just trade Spezza and Alfredsson, we've still got Silf and Zibby. thats basically what you just said!

BTW, a monkey could play for Boston and have the best numbers in the league

Lehner is a better goalie than everybody on that list minus Quick and Thomas. Lehner (Calder cup winner) and Anderson (First round playoff) have more experience than Bishop. You're drunk as well. Where is this sens chirp party?
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-2 #74 St Nick 2013-03-10 15:26
"Just the reality of the Sens current situation." What does that mean Chirp? Has Melnyk decided not to spend any more money? Is he set on the team budget & refuses to spend more? Are the Sens in financial difficulty?

I like both those options of Parros & Cullen since Cullen can play centre or wing. Parros would be a good option too against the tougher teams only. I would also like to see Murray trade Bishop to Edmonton for Magnus Parjarvi straight up.

Sure hope Murray signs Sustre & trades for his defence partner.
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0 #75 team owner 2013-03-10 15:41
Quoting WeAreSensFans!:


we'll take gaborik and boyle for lundin and bishop.


Not in the budget
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0 #76 TheBoss 2013-03-10 15:41
Quoting conor_smythe:


BTW, a monkey could play for Boston and have the best numbers in the league


Exactly. You take Lundquivst, Brodeur, and Rask out of their respective teams, and you'll see what you really have: Bryz (putting up astounding numbers in PHX, Fleury (gets shelled almost every other night cuz the Pens dont even play D), Elliot (playing in St Louis' system makes it so that he faces very little shots each night), etc.

A goalie a product of the overall team system. You take away our D (Karl + Methot) and guaranteed Lehner/Andy/Bis hop is facing 40+ shots per night. Can you imagine the stats a goalie like Lehner would have in a system like the Rangers? He'd literally be Lundquivst 2.0.
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0 #77 FBP 2013-03-10 15:42
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
Chirp I gotta ask, is this budget thing a long-term issue, or is it just part of the plan while rebuilding?

I'm hoping Melnyk will be ready to spend when the time is right, but I really have my doubts.


Someone here that is a STH should ask this question during the STH/Management question period.
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+1 #78 SensChirp 2013-03-10 16:50
Quoting FBP:
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
Chirp I gotta ask, is this budget thing a long-term issue, or is it just part of the plan while rebuilding?

I'm hoping Melnyk will be ready to spend when the time is right, but I really have my doubts.


Someone here that is a STH should ask this question during the STH/Management question period.

Would be a good question because I don't really understand it either. Just seems to come up again and again, people stressing that this is a budget team.

I don't know if that's a conscious decision or simply out of necessity.
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-3 #79 hamany 2013-03-10 17:41
Clowe would look great with turris and alfie
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0 #80 Ozzyyb 2013-03-10 17:45
Quoting jakester:
Penner could give Spezza and Michalek room out there.

I agree, but see him as more of a 6nd liner. Penner is very good at protecting the puck, so lack of speed isn't a problem. I welcome him to the sens, but it should of happend during last years deadline, or as a free agent signing.

Seem's like a lot of people underestimate him.
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0 #81 WeAreSensFans! 2013-03-10 17:49
Quoting team owner:
Quoting WeAreSensFans!:


we'll take gaborik and boyle for lundin and bishop.


Not in the budget


i think we need to add just to hit the cap floor next year.
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0 #82 Mitchell 2013-03-10 17:53
I'm not really a fan of the names tagged to Ottawa trades. Chis Stewart is the only one I have liked and can move forward with. Everyone else seems like a latendress or commador move
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0 #83 AlfieforMayor11 2013-03-10 17:53
Quoting Sandy:


If he hits UFA... I think he stays in the US.

Philly will go hard.. so will the Rangers. Rangers don't have the cap room right now.. but they would just buy out Gaborik..


Philly would have to buyout Bryz and Briere or a dman to make it possible, and even then there's no way they can afford to give him 8-9 million.

Same goes for the Rangers, even if they were to buyout Gabby or Richards they will still be in tough to pay Perry big money.

The Rangers have 10 million in cap space for next season and they will still have to sign Stepan, Hagelin, and McDonagh to new contracts.

I have a feeling if he doesn't return to the Ducks, Perry ends up in the Sens new Central division, whether it's here in Ottawa, Toronto, Montreal, Detroit, Boston, or Buffalo.
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+1 #84 WeAreSensFans! 2013-03-10 18:00
think of this,

would ek65 be the same player if he didnt have gonchar to work with in practice and learn his offensive style defence?

cant say he would be, gonchar has helped ek65 be the player he is.

some of our young players would benefit from a talented winger with some sick mitts of gaborik to learn from and to raise their game. gaborik only has 1 year left on his deal, sure he's had some injuries but to what effect could he have on young talent to see and to learn from.

with the cap hits of gonchars 5.5 and alfie's 4.8 will not be the same if and when they are resigned, we'd pretty much get goborik for the same amount and taking regin, latendress, bishop and lundin off the books we'd still be lower than this years budget.
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+1 #85 111519 2013-03-10 18:05
Quoting WeAreSensFans!:
i've got to say if it weren't for brian boyle we would've beat the rangers last year. we drafted his brother and he has a 1.7 cap hit.

he has been scratched a few times this year. we all know he can score for a big body.

i think he'd be the most serviceable guy who big and can skate and score.

i know it sucks that we hate him because of the karlsson inccident but after carkner got him i'd be ok to see his as a senator.

boyle is not a goon, he can play and hit. something the management wants and seen him make a difference on the scoresheet in the playoffs.

Brian Boyle would be my pickup as a gm.


I said this two days ago and got trashed.

I think Boyle could be had for a 3rd round pick, and when he is on his game, he is a very strong player.
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0 #86 WeAreSensFans! 2013-03-10 18:08
people talk buyouys like they are simple, easy to do and cheap.

seriously would you pay this for someone not to play?

Ilya Bryzgalov buyout from CapGeek.com
2013-14: -$690,476
2014-15: $1,309,524
2015-16: $1,309,524
2016-17: $1,809,524
2017-18: $1,809,524
2018-19: $5,059,524
2019-20: $6,059,524
2020-21: $1,642,857
2021-22: $1,642,857
2022-23: $1,642,857
2023-24: $1,642,857
2024-25: $1,642,857
2025-26: $1,642,857
2026-27: $1,642,857

players on long contracts would be ridiculous to buy out. try to better the player, his value than hopefully trade him, the buyout would hurt the owners and their franchises for a long time. owners should just learn not to do big deals like this one.
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-10 #87 111519 2013-03-10 18:33
1. Get Boyle for a third round pick

2. Sign Stastny in the off season

3. Trade Gonchar to Pittsburg for Dustin Jeffery

4. Trade Bishop to Edmonton for Paajarvi

5. Do whatever you have to and Draft Nakita Zadorov

2013-14 Sens

Michalek Spezza Stasny
Zibby Turris Alfie
Paajarvi Smith Silf
Stone Boyle Neil
Condra/Greening

Karlsson Methot
Ceci Phillips
Cowen Wiercoch
Gryba

Anderson
Lehrner
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+1 #88 NeO 2013-03-10 18:44
Quoting 111519:
1. Get Boyle for a third round pick

2. Sign Stastny in the off season

3. Trade Gonchar to Pittsburg for Dustin Jeffery

4. Trade Bishop to Edmonton for Paajarvi

5. Do whatever you have to and Draft Nakita Zadorov

2013-14 Sens

Michalek Spezza Stasny
Zibby Turris Alfie
Paajarvi Smith Silf
Stone Boyle Neil
Condra/Greening

Karlsson Methot
Ceci Phillips
Cowen Wiercoch
Gryba

Anderson
Lehrner


hahaha. alot of dreamers out there. you forot to put Perry in there :lol:
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+7 #89 timwrx 2013-03-10 18:44
Bsens win YET again! 3-2! Grant scored with 3 seconds left in regulation! Boro did NOT play...

My hat (if i ever wore one) is off to all the Elmira guys and the few other ECHL players who have suited up down here. No one has been a liability and play with so much heart. Amazing what happens when one is given a chance to prove themselves!
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0 #90 paul4 2013-03-10 18:49
i dont understand the comments about Melnyk being broke. His net wroth went up 3.3% last year and he is worth over $970 million. sure he may be more fiscally responsible during rebuilding years, but if the right move pops up, he wont say no.
http://www.canadianbusiness.com/list-and-rankings/rich-100-the-richest-canadians-in-2012/
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+2 #91 jakester 2013-03-10 18:49
The 3 goals scored by future NHLers. Pageau-Prince-G rant. Ottawa has raped that roster and they still have tons of talent down there.
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+2 #92 TheBoss 2013-03-10 18:50
Nice to hear timwrx!

I'm hoping Murray gets to signing some college players to help those guys down there for their playoff run.
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-1 #93 jakester 2013-03-10 18:55
NEO - Stastny is a centerman. Think Smith moves down a little in the lineup if we get Stastny. 3rd line center with two goals who can't pick-up his assignment defensively( left Brad Richards all alone on that second goal the other night -moving back nice and slow on the Back check). nobody mentioned that but the TV guys saw it on TVA sports.
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+2 #94 timwrx 2013-03-10 18:56
How bout a toughness signing for next year...sign Joel Rechlicz to a 2-way deal and USE him for certain games i.e. Pittsburgh. Just an idea, and he can protect the prospects here.
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0 #95 Sandy 2013-03-10 18:57
Thanks for the B-Sens update TIMWRX..

As great as McLean has been in keeping the Sens in the playoff race... Richardson has done a remarkable job in B-Sens with a lot of Elmira guys and some PTO's..

Would it be exciting to have McLean win the Jack Adams in the NHL while Richardson wins coach of the year in the AHL?

I think the only coach that may challenge McLean for the Jack Adams is Therrien in Mtl...

Last I looked Chicago is losing 3-0 to Edmonton. The top in the West is getting beat pretty good by the bottom of the West. Emery was pulled. He is having a great season.. hasn't lost a game yet... but not a good outing tonight.. 3 games on 8 shots..
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0 #96 Senschump 2013-03-10 19:14
I love the idea of picking up a scrapper - debate all you want - having someone waiting in the wings to drop the gloves will always be useful as long as fightings part of the game.
As far as scoring help and another body on D, I was liking the discussion on yosts post about Calgary as a trading partner.
If feaster has actually realized he needs to blow it up, sens have the assets/picks and Calgary has pieces we could use a la j Bo and cammallleri. They're talking about bishop/2014 2nd for jbo. As far as cammy, would we even want him? What would it take?
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0 #97 01101011100110110110 2013-03-10 19:18
Quoting timwrx:
How bout a toughness signing for next year...sign Joel Rechlicz to a 2-way deal and USE him for certain games i.e. Pittsburgh. Just an idea, and he can protect the prospects here.


I LIKE this suggestion.

Anybody have Bryan Murray's e-mail address ?
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0 #98 TookieIs100PercentRight 2013-03-10 19:31
Quoting AllStarAlfie:
Also we aren't trading gonchar. We need him for this year but I think we will let him walk in the offseason (frees up cap space)


This would be a bad idea and a repetition of what we did with Volch (and Phillips to a degree). We aren't going to win the Cup this year so why keep Gonch? Get a prospect or a mid-round pick for him and move on.
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-3 #99 kingalfredsson 2013-03-10 19:33
Quoting timwrx:
How bout a toughness signing for next year...sign Joel Rechlicz to a 2-way deal and USE him for certain games i.e. Pittsburgh. Just an idea, and he can protect the prospects here.


I rather Zack Stortini
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-1 #100 TheBoss 2013-03-10 19:52
Quoting Sandy:


I think the only coach that may challenge McLean for the Jack Adams is Therrien in Mtl...

Last I looked Chicago is losing 3-0 to Edmonton. The top in the West is getting beat pretty good by the bottom of the West. Emery was pulled. He is having a great season.. hasn't lost a game yet... but not a good outing tonight.. 3 games on 8 shots..


Any chance PM had of winning the Jack Adams went down the drain when the Hawks went on their crazy run... Can't see Quenville not taking it.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I'd think its a close race between either Thierren and PM, but hard to disregard what Quenville has done with that club.
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+1 #101 SensChirp 2013-03-10 19:58
Quoting TookieIs100PercentRight:
Quoting AllStarAlfie:
Also we aren't trading gonchar. We need him for this year but I think we will let him walk in the offseason (frees up cap space)


This would be a bad idea and a repetition of what we did with Volch (and Phillips to a degree). We aren't going to win the Cup this year so why keep Gonch? Get a prospect or a mid-round pick for him and move on.

That's not a move a playoff team makes.
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-2 #102 TookieIs100PercentRight 2013-03-10 19:59
Quoting DrSens:
Untouchables in the Org

Alfie
Karlsson
Spezza
Lehner
Cowen
Methot
Condra
Neiler
Ceci
Silfverbger/Zibanejad


Only untouchable in there is Karlssom, maybe Spezza (remember he does get injured fairly often and his production will decrease with age). Our management hasn't denied these Alfredsson trade rumours so they might not even view him as untouchable.

Any prospect should be tradeable if the price is right. Winning >>>>>>>> Loyalty, always.
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0 #103 karlssens 2013-03-10 20:06
I want Ottawa to take a go on Mark Streit and Matt Moulson. Islanders need to change things up!
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0 #104 T K 2013-03-10 20:13
Quoting kingalfredsson:
Quoting timwrx:
How bout a toughness signing for next year...sign Joel Rechlicz to a 2-way deal and USE him for certain games i.e. Pittsburgh. Just an idea, and he can protect the prospects here.


I rather Zack Stortini

In the 5-6 games I've seen where he had played, he's struck me as an irresponsible psychopath.
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0 #105 Mexican Baby Jesus 2013-03-10 20:18
You gotta look at the hand the coach was dealt. Chicago has an unreal team on paper. If you asked me before the season I would have told you the only teams capable of doing what they did would be Pittsburgh, followed by Chicago (skeptical about goaltending). Maclean has a lot less to work with, just saying...

On another note...so...Kar lsson is the 2nd best talent in the league? Crosby 5 pt night going. What a beast. To trade for him I bet youd have to give up Kane, Toews, Seabrook. Or Karlsson, Spezza, Zib, Silfv, 1st
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0 #106 TheBoss 2013-03-10 20:21
Quoting Mexican Baby Jesus:


On another note...so...Karlsson is the 2nd best talent in the league? Crosby 5 pt night going. What a beast. To trade for him I bet youd have to give up Kane, Toews, Seabrook. Or Karlsson, Spezza, Zib, Silfv, 1st


What does he have now, like 50 pts? Ridiculous. When he's on his game, he's easily the best player in the league by far... Pens are just so stacked its ridiculous. Sid, Malkin, Kunitz, Neal, Sutter, Letang. But in saying that, I would assume they probably don't have too many elite prospects in the system.
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+1 #107 jakester 2013-03-10 20:23
I prefer Karlsson over that Momma's boy anyday. Stop making ridiculous comments. half the team for Crosbaby! I would stop being a fan of the Sens if we picked up that Cry baby two face hypocrite.
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0 #108 AllStarAlfie 2013-03-10 20:24
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting TookieIs100PercentRight:
Quoting AllStarAlfie:
Also we aren't trading gonchar. We need him for this year but I think we will let him walk in the offseason (frees up cap space)


This would be a bad idea and a repetition of what we did with Volch (and Phillips to a degree). We aren't going to win the Cup this year so why keep Gonch? Get a prospect or a mid-round pick for him and move on.

That's not a move a playoff team makes.


My point is that we need gonchar this year and for the playoffs especially with the karlsson injury. However I don't think we resign him after this year due to his age and with the emergence of weircioch
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+2 #109 SensChirp 2013-03-10 20:41
You'll notice the new ChirpEd tab at the top of the screen. Head over there to find out more about how that section will work!

http://www.senschirp.ca/chirped
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+2 #110 andreasdackell 2013-03-10 21:17
Looks like Dubnyk got hurt tonight. Not sure how serious it is, but if it is they will be without Dubie and Khabi. Perfect time for them to overpay for Bishop!
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0 #111 AllStarAlfie 2013-03-10 21:49
Quoting andreasdackell:
Looks like Dubnyk got hurt tonight. Not sure how serious it is, but if it is they will be without Dubie and Khabi. Perfect time for them to overpay for Bishop!


If they do want bishop, what would you want from Edmonton? (Realistically)
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0 #112 MP 2013-03-10 22:23
While I love reading trade scenarios on this site; one has to be realistic. If the Senators are to trade for Perry, Z-Bad or Silfverberg will have to be moved along with possibly a Greening and a high pick. The Ducks are currently asking for a lot.
The Sens are also on a shoe-string budget at the moment, paying all their injured players as well as their Bingo callups, who are now on NHL salaries. Personally, I wouldn't expect a blockbuster during the season, just some fine-tuning.
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0 #113 andreasdackell 2013-03-10 22:27
Well like others have said, Paijarvi could probly be had for Bishop because of his poor play until recently. Id love to get smid as well but i think they love his play too much to let him go. What ever happened to Omark? Although omark alone is not fair return for bishop. Also, Hartikainen is lookin like a good tough forward. Finally Smyth may be had cus of his ufa status, although they desperately need his veteran presence over there. I am by no means an insider, but these guys seem like the best bet to be moved that I would be interested in.
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0 #114 111519 2013-03-10 22:39
Quoting AllStarAlfie:
Quoting andreasdackell:
Looks like Dubnyk got hurt tonight. Not sure how serious it is, but if it is they will be without Dubie and Khabi. Perfect time for them to overpay for Bishop!


If they do want bishop, what would you want from Edmonton? (Realistically)


Paajarvi and a third.
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+2 #115 from boo boo 2013-03-10 23:55
After practising Sunday, Guillaume Latendresse had a skip to his step and a grin behind his new, full beard.

Before the day was over, he expected to learn he had cleared the last obstacle on his way to being a coach’s decision to return to the Senators lineup.
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-2 #116 GreeningTheMonster 2013-03-11 00:41
Why is everyone so obsessed with paajarvi? He barely plays in Edmonton u expect him to play here?
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0 #117 nicholas19 2013-03-11 01:32
Quoting GreeningTheMonster:
Why is everyone so obsessed with paajarvi? He barely plays in Edmonton u expect him to play here?

The kid has mad skill and is hidden in an organization favouring their canadian kids like eberle, hall, RNH, etc.
id take him for the right price, youre telling me he wouldnt thrive on team sweden? hell id take Omark too, we'd be unbeatable in the SO.
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+6 #118 Jar of PalladiumDirt 2013-03-11 07:28
Still hordes of "fans" using Michalek in every possible trade scenario.

Getting rid of him would be a big mistake. Stop undervaluing him.
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+1 #119 Andrews Theory 2013-03-11 08:14
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe we are unbeaten with Guillaume in the lineup...

As an aside;
Two Oilers goalies hurt, most teams would do something right? Not when the Oil is in the running for yet another top 3 first rounder...
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0 #120 MethotToMyMadness 2013-03-11 08:23
Paijarvi is a very talented player, has a great skill set. The problem I think is he was never a guy expected to jump into the lineup at the age he did, which is the case with most of the Oilers picks. He should have played a year or two in the A before being brought into the fold. But he wasn't, he was brought up and down like a yo-yo and never got a solid break in any line he's been on and that's slowed his progress. Would he be great in Ottawa, I'm sure he could be if he was given the time to grow in our system. But would he help the Sens now which is what they are looking for, I can't say he would. But I like the idea of landing him cheap and letting him prosper in our system so he IS ready in a year or two.
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0 #121 MethotToMyMadness 2013-03-11 08:28
Looking at how we played as a Team on Friday night, I'd leave the lineup as it was for tonight's game against the Bruins, including Lehner in net.

Even if Latendresse is ready, let him watch from the box so he can witness what our guys are doing, hopefully that will spark him even more. I know we could use his possible goal scoring ability, but he hasn't showed that yet this year anyway, so we aren't risking anything. If you ask me, I liked what I saw from all our lines the last two games, so leave them as they are.

Saw the new space on the site Chirp. Just not fully understanding what this new section is for, outside of just posting comments and thoughts. Will you be monitoring and only allowing so much content, because if you aren't, then it'll basically be like having two comment sections.
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0 #122 The Apostle 2013-03-11 08:34
Quoting Andrews Theory:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe we are unbeaten with Guillaume in the lineup...


Record with latendresse

5-0-1

the 1 being Pittsburgh

and yes I am bored
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0 #123 NadislavLagy 2013-03-11 08:38
Quoting TheBoss:
Quoting Mexican Baby Jesus:


On another note...so...Karlsson is the 2nd best talent in the league? Crosby 5 pt night going. What a beast. To trade for him I bet youd have to give up Kane, Toews, Seabrook. Or Karlsson, Spezza, Zib, Silfv, 1st


What does he have now, like 50 pts? Ridiculous. When he's on his game, he's easily the best player in the league by far... Pens are just so stacked its ridiculous. Sid, Malkin, Kunitz, Neal, Sutter, Letang. But in saying that, I would assume they probably don't have too many elite prospects in the system.


Maata, Pouliot, and recent graduate to the NHL, Simon Despres, to name a few.
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0 #124 The Apostle 2013-03-11 08:46
According to most analysts the Penguins did really well in the draft last year with the picks they received from the Staal trade.

They are absolutely stacked with blueline prospects Despres, Maata, Harrington, Pouliot, Samuelsson.

If we wanted to exchange a forward prospect for a defensive one that's who we should be calling.
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0 #125 spezzerman 2013-03-11 08:50
Quoting The Apostle:
According to most analysts the Penguins did really well in the draft last year with the picks they received from the Staal trade.

They are absolutely stacked with blueline prospects Despres, Maata, Harrington, Pouliot, Samuelsson.

If we wanted to exchange a forward prospect for a defensive one that's who we should be calling.


Ya pittsburgh is stacked on d prospects. Add Brian Dumoulin to that list, one of the guys they got in the Staal trade. that one trade stocked their d cupboards. Impressive trade
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-1 #126 MethotToMyMadness 2013-03-11 08:54
Further on the topic of Pitts, and the lineup they have. I had said last year, or maybe the year before. If there was 1 player on that team I'd go after it'd be Kunitz. He's got a load of talent, hits like a truck, plays in all the dirty areas and can score goals. He just gets better and better with talented line-mates. He's also won the cup with 2 different teams.

Fast forward to now, he's 3rd in the league in scoring with 36 points, 1 point behind Stamkos and only two goals off with 17. Does it help to have Crosby as a partner, you bet. But would he be as successful with a guy like Spezza, I'd like to think so.

I just wish Ottawa would have tried something last year to snag him, when Neal first exploded on the line with Crosby, as he may have been seen as replaceable. But there is no way he'd ever be traded now, not with the season he's having.
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0 #127 Alcatraz 2013-03-11 08:55
Quoting MethotToMyMadness:
Further on the topic of Pitts, and the lineup they have. I had said last year, or maybe the year before. If there was 1 player on that team I'd go after it'd be Kunitz. He's got a load of talent, hits like a truck, plays in all the dirty areas and can score goals. He just gets better and better with talented line-mates.

Fast forward to now, he's 3rd in the league in scoring with 36 points, 1 point behind Stamkos and only two goals off with 17. Does it help to have Crosby as a partner, you bet. But would he be as successful with a guy like Spezza, I'd like to think so.

I just wish Ottawa would have tried something last year to snag him, when Neal first exploded on the line with Crosby, as he may have been seen as replaceable. But there is no way he'd ever be traded now, not with the season he's having.


Good points only thing is

Neal exploded with Malkin, and They have always needed someone for Crosby
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0 #128 MethotToMyMadness 2013-03-11 09:00
Quoting Alcatraz:


Good points only thing is

Neal exploded with Malkin, and They have always needed someone for Crosby


I agree, but at some point you would have thought that Neal would make that jump to the line with Crosby when he returned, pushing Kunitz to the side. Especially since Crosby didn't play last year and Malkin was the 1C.
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0 #129 MethotToMyMadness 2013-03-11 09:07
Wow, just looking at Pittsburgh and the salaries they have. I just realized now that Malkin becomes a UFA 2014-15. Both him and Crosby make 8,700,000, with Crosby at that amount for many more years. What do you think Malkin would be asking to be retained? I can't see him accepting 8,700,000 just because of Crosby. His agent is going to get the most out of this, considering what he's accomplished.

If Getzlaf signs for 8.25 this year, you have to expect Malkin to get somewhere near 9 or 10 per year come 14-15, including inflation, etc, wouldn't you? And would he go back, knowing he'll always be second fiddle to Crosby?

Wow, he's going to be one of the most sought after UFA's in NHL history.
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0 #130 AlfieforMayor11 2013-03-11 09:17
Nahhh Pittsburgh will keep Malkin. There isn't a chance they let him go. If they have to give him a max contract then they will.

With all those defensive prospects they will likely have to let Letang go. His contract is up at the same time as Malkin and there's no way they will be able to afford both of them.

My money would be on one of those sick defensive prospects of theirs being dealt to Calgary for Iginla within the next few weeks, Malkin resigning long term in the offseason and Letang being dealt some time within the calender year.

It's too bad for Pittsburgh that their goaltending is among the worst in the league. They won't win the cup with the way Fleury and Vokoun are playing. Both of those guys have gone from being 2 of the elite puckstoppers to being complete sieves.
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0 #131 DenisVial 2013-03-11 09:18
Quoting Team Owner:
Quoting hoee:
Bishop for Briere


Not in the budget


Briere's contract was front loaded. His cap hit is high but his total salary for the last two years of his deal is only $5 million total. We have tons of cap space and $5 over two years has to be in the budget.
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0 #132 hq8 2013-03-11 09:20
Quoting MethotToMyMadness:
Quoting Alcatraz:


Good points only thing is

Neal exploded with Malkin, and They have always needed someone for Crosby


I agree, but at some point you would have thought that Neal would make that jump to the line with Crosby when he returned, pushing Kunitz to the side. Especially since Crosby didn't play last year and Malkin was the 1C.


actually, the reality is that Kunitz and Neal are the preferred wingers for Malkin in Pittsburgh. Injuries have played hokey with their top 6 combo ever since Hossa left.
They never have enough wingers to give to both Crosby and Malkin. Right now, they have promoted Kunitz up to Crosby's wing, but are struggling to find his replacement next to Malkin. They tried Tangradi then Boychuk then now Bennett with even Jeffries sometimes. Bennett seems to be clicking now. therefore Kuntiz will never be available.
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+1 #133 AlfieforMayor11 2013-03-11 09:31
Briere would be an awesome addition to the right side of Spezza and Michalek, and he can play center when needed.

There are two issues though, Briere doesn't seem willing to waive his no trade clause to go anywhere, and what do we have to offer that matches their needs?

They obviously need defensive help, but we can't help them there. They also need a goaltender but with the money they are paying Bryz, they are pretty much stuck with him.

I don't know if Ottawa and Philly make good trade partners.
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+2 #134 Cooke-d 2013-03-11 09:32
Too soon for a 'gameday post' chant?
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0 #135 MethotToMyMadness 2013-03-11 09:35
Quoting DenisVial:
Quoting Team Owner:
Quoting hoee:
Bishop for Briere


Not in the budget


Briere's contract was front loaded. His cap hit is high but his total salary for the last two years of his deal is only $5 million total. We have tons of cap space and $5 over two years has to be in the budget.


I agree, while we are a budget team 5M would have to be considered if we are shopping for a top 6, regardless if it's Briere or not. That is basically the asking price these days, as crazy as it sounds.
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+1 #136 AlfieforMayor11 2013-03-11 09:44
Quoting MethotToMyMadness:
Quoting DenisVial:
Quoting Team Owner:
Quoting hoee:
Bishop for Briere


Not in the budget


Briere's contract was front loaded. His cap hit is high but his total salary for the last two years of his deal is only $5 million total. We have tons of cap space and $5 over two years has to be in the budget.


I agree, while we are a budget team 5M would have to be considered if we are shopping for a top 6, regardless if it's Briere or not. That is basically the asking price these days, as crazy as it sounds.


The great thing is it's 5M over the next two season. He makes 3 million next year and 2 million in his final year. That is a complete bargain for him.

If he's available Murray will definitely be interested. Briere holds all the cards though.
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+1 #137 Alcatraz 2013-03-11 09:45
Quoting Cooke-d:
Too soon for a 'gameday post' chant?


By now we should know gameday posts come after the Sens morning skates so Chirp can post the projected lineups and any lineup notes
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0 #138 spezzerman 2013-03-11 09:48
Michalek didnt skate this AM but that doesn't mean he isn't playing tonight, right?

Didn't they say they'd be going easy on him so he can play games and not put his knee under too much stress? Or maybe that was just Potvin during his broadcast.
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0 #139 Alcatraz 2013-03-11 09:50
important to note, if Bishop plays 2 more games we retain his RFA status instead of going to UFA
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0 #140 Cooke-d 2013-03-11 09:57
Quoting Alcatraz:
Quoting Cooke-d:
Too soon for a 'gameday post' chant?


By now we should know gameday posts come after the Sens morning skates so Chirp can post the projected lineups and any lineup notes


Doesn't matter, I'm impatient NOW!

Looking forward to an 11:30am post...

Are we there yet?
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0 #141 Sens of Peskyville 2013-03-11 10:11
Quoting Alcatraz:
important to note, if Bishop plays 2 more games we retain his RFA status instead of going to UFA


Uh, no. He's already played the required 7 games.

www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8471750&season=20122013&view=log

He's RFA now for next season.
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0 #142 Alcatraz 2013-03-11 10:13
Quoting DajaSens:
Quoting Alcatraz:
important to note, if Bishop plays 2 more games we retain his RFA status instead of going to UFA


Uh, no. He's already played the required 7 games.

www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8471750&season=20122013&view=log

He's RFA now for next season.


uh no

CapGeek ‏@capgeek
Tonight is Ben Bishop's 26th career game (minimum 30 minutes) for Group 6 UFA purposes. Two more and he won't be a UFA this summer. (March 7th)

And then today:

CapGeek ‏@capgeek
1/3 Following is a list of #NHL players who are on Group 6 UFA watch, with games played required to achieve RFA status.

CapGeek ‏@capgeek
2/3 Dustin Jeffrey (1), Tom Sestito (41), Leland Irving (16), Ben Bishop (2), Richard Bachman (8)

Trust everything capgeek says
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+1 #143 Sens of Peskyville 2013-03-11 10:18
Quoting Alcatraz:

uh no

CapGeek ‏@capgeek
Tonight is Ben Bishop's 26th career game (minimum 30 minutes) for Group 6 UFA purposes. Two more and he won't be a UFA this summer. (March 7th)

And then today:

CapGeek ‏@capgeek
1/3 Following is a list of #NHL players who are on Group 6 UFA watch, with games played required to achieve RFA status.

CapGeek ‏@capgeek
2/3 Dustin Jeffrey (1), Tom Sestito (41), Leland Irving (16), Ben Bishop (2), Richard Bachman (8)

Trust everything capgeek says


I stand humbly corrected... 2 more games it is.
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0 #144 Alcatraz 2013-03-11 10:18
well i expect these boards to blow up with "i told you so" "why rush michalek back" "sit him for the year"

in the next few minutes
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0 #145 Alcatraz 2013-03-11 10:19
latendresse in
michalek out
regin healthy scratch
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0 #146 MakesSens 2013-03-11 10:21
Good luck on Latendresse's first game back. I wish I could say that Latendresse playing tonight for Michalek is a fair trade off. Let's just hope this doesn't mean surgery for Milan.
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0 #147 spezzerman 2013-03-11 10:29
Meh, I still say if they felt his knee could get worse to the point where the off season procedure would become way more serious or career threatening they wouldn't play him.
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0 #148 Cooke-d 2013-03-11 10:36
Quoting spezzerman:
Meh, I still say if they felt his knee could get worse to the point where the off season procedure would become way more serious or career threatening they wouldn't play him.


Agreed... if it's in poor taste for a man to pontificate/sec ond guess any of a woman's choice over her own body, how is it any different for sports fan doing the same with regards to an athele's decision over their body/health.

It's their choice to make an informed decision. Obviously, people will face pressure to make one decision over another... but it's not our place to speculate about someone else's health. I really hope people stay off the topic of injuries today.

Cheers,
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+1 #149 NadislavLagy 2013-03-11 10:42
Lehner starts tonight
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-2 #150 Misaow 2013-03-11 10:44
We could potentially pick up Hossa on the off season on the off chance he gets bought out...
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+1 #151 Alcatraz 2013-03-11 10:46
Quoting Misaow:
We could potentially pick up Hossa on the off season on the off chance he gets bought out...


Why would they buy out their heart and soul? lol

Toews may be the captain but Hossa is the glue
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0 #152 Misaow 2013-03-11 10:51
Quoting Alcatraz:
Quoting Misaow:
We could potentially pick up Hossa on the off season on the off chance he gets bought out...


Why would they buy out their heart and soul? lol

Toews may be the captain but Hossa is the glue

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/blackhawks_down_YSTHpPZPuDRKcUkVmUD2mI
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0 #153 Alcatraz 2013-03-11 11:02
Quoting Misaow:
Quoting Alcatraz:
Quoting Misaow:
We could potentially pick up Hossa on the off season on the off chance he gets bought out...


Why would they buy out their heart and soul? lol

Toews may be the captain but Hossa is the glue

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/blackhawks_down_YSTHpPZPuDRKcUkVmUD2mI


Without any insider knowledge I would almost guarantee that doesn't happen

No owner will want to pay nearly $ or $5 million annually for a player to not to play just in case he retires early. Doesn't make sense

Regardless of the amnesty, thats still a ton of dough to fork over
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+1 #154 Sens of Peskyville 2013-03-11 11:07
Quoting Misaow:
Quoting Alcatraz:
Quoting Misaow:
We could potentially pick up Hossa on the off season on the off chance he gets bought out...


Why would they buy out their heart and soul? lol

Toews may be the captain but Hossa is the glue

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/blackhawks_down_YSTHpPZPuDRKcUkVmUD2mI



From the article...

Quoting Larry Brooks:

Every Hart Trophy winner since 2006-07 — Crosby, Alex Ovechkin (twice), Henrik Sedin, Perry; Malkin — has worn a visor. The reigning Norris Trophy winner, Drew Doughty, wears a visor.


I'm pretty sure EK is the reigning Norris Trophy winner (also wears a visor). And Doughy has never won one....
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0 #155 hamany 2013-03-11 18:38
3-2 Ottawa in OT
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0 #156 hamany 2013-03-11 18:40
WOW Latendresse already!
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