Tuesday, 26 February 2013 14:02

Update from the Rumour Mill

While the Senators have quieted the trade speculation with their impressive run of late, General Manager Bryan Murray and his staff will continue to keep a close eye on the market.

The Sens has won five straight games and find themselves within striking distance of top spot in the Eastern Conference as teams hit the 20 game mark.  Goaltending remains a strength for the organization but they could certainly benefit from an additional top six forward and potentially another defenceman to help replace Erik Karlsson.

As always, any rumours and speculation need to come with the budget disclaimer.  The Sens are not a big spending team and continue to be cautious when it comes to money spent on player salaries.  Although it’s important to note that there is flexibility here if the right deal comes along. 

So with that in mind, here are a few names that have been kicked around the rumour mill as of late.

Ryan O’Reilly is still out there and the Senators will continue to keep a close eye on that situation.  The Sens have an interest but will obviously be wary about “over-paying”.  Important to remember that not only would they need to trade for the Avs centre, they’d also need to get him signed to a reasonable deal.  This is obviously something that the Avs have struggled with to date.

The question you’d have to ask is what is Ryan O’Reilly really worth- both in terms of assets given up in a trade as well as contract value. And would he fit in with the organization’s long term plans?

I think O’Reilly is a solid player but if I’m Bryan Murray, I’d be really cautious about overpaying for a guy that doesn’t really fill a particular need in the organization.  Just my opinion.

While O’Reilly remains the most talked about option, there are a few guys that I can confirm the Senators are keeping close tabs on and that list starts with the guys in Anaheim.  Pierre LeBrun addressed it this morning but the red-hot Anaheim Ducks continue to make signing Ryan Getzlaf and Corey Perry a priority. 

But if they do decide to move either one of them, I expect Murray to be heavily involved.

Ottawa will also keep an eye on the Jarome Iginla situation in Calgary.  There are gonna be a bunch of teams that make a call to Jay Feaster if they decide to move their Captain and I would expect the Senators to be one of those teams.  Really not sure how serious Ottawa’s interest will be on this front but it’s a name they have at least looked at.

Derek Roy is another name I’ve heard mentioned recently.  The UFA to be is having a decent year in Dallas (9 pts in 14 games) and could be made available if the right offer came along.  Compared to the other guys mentioned above, the asking price would certainly be significantly lower for Roy.

Obviously some big names floating around right now but I want to emphasize that nothing seems imminent for the Sens.  The organization loves the way the young guys are stepping up in the face of serious adversity and really don’t feel like they’re in a situation where they need to make a deal.

Perhaps the biggest additions this team can expect will come in the form of some injured players getting back into the lineup.  Milan Michalek may travel with the team to Boston, Craig Anderson was on the ice for the second straight day and Jason Spezza is still hoping to make a return before the end of the season.

Sens held an off ice workout this morning and will return to the practice ice tomorrow morning.  Ottawa is in Boston to take on the Bruins on Thursday night.

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+4 #1 Tcharger 2013-02-26 14:14
Gross...not a fan of any of the options
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+5 #2 NikoTn 2013-02-26 14:18
I don't really see the point in trading for any of these guys... Iginla is going to a team that will be a cup contender if he is traded. O'Reilly is just a red flag for me.
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+17 #3 SensChirp 2013-02-26 14:18
Quoting Tcharger-NHL IS A BUSH LEAGUE:
Gross...not a fan of any of the options

Staying the course looks pretty good right now although if either of the guys in Anaheim officially becomes available, you have to take a look.
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+7 #4 Hax 2013-02-26 14:19
Awesome pic of Regin after his shootout goal last night.

http://senators.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=14589
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-3 #5 Tcharger 2013-02-26 14:20
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting Tcharger-NHL IS A BUSH LEAGUE:
Gross...not a fan of any of the options

Staying the course looks pretty good right now although if either of the guys in Anaheim officially becomes available, you have to take a look.



Yeah, honestly them, and maybe E Kane are the only ones I would be willing to give much up for.
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0 #6 Hax 2013-02-26 14:20
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting Tcharger-NHL IS A BUSH LEAGUE:
Gross...not a fan of any of the options

Staying the course looks pretty good right now although if either of the guys in Anaheim officially becomes available, you have to take a look.


Assuming Murray determines trading for them now instead of signing in the summer is the better option then yeah.
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+3 #7 sj21 2013-02-26 14:20
Also not a fan of any of those trades....
Stay the course and make a splash this summer in the free agent market.
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0 #8 thepez 2013-02-26 14:22
Is there any talk about what the Sens will do with Gonchar? Personally it would be to sign him for 1 year. Can't see them trading him at the deadline as long as the Sens are in the playoff hunt.
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+5 #9 SensChirp 2013-02-26 14:24
Quoting thepez:
Is there any talk about what the Sens will do with Gonchar? Personally it would be to sign him for 1 year. Can't see them trading him at the deadline as long as the Sens are in the playoff hunt.

There was talk about moving him previously but I just don't see how they can do that with Karlsson down. Return would be pretty low at this point anyway.

More valuable to us this year than any mid-round pick would ever be.
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0 #10 Tcharger 2013-02-26 14:25
Quoting thepez:
Is there any talk about what the Sens will do with Gonchar? Personally it would be to sign him for 1 year. Can't see them trading him at the deadline as long as the Sens are in the playoff hunt.



I would suspect even Murray isn't sure at this point...I mean if Spezza and Michalek are back, and somehow miraculously Karlsson comes back for the playoffs who knows.
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+4 #11 Kielbasa 2013-02-26 14:25
As noted earlier, I really think O'Reilly is too high a risk. He hasn't proven himself yet in this league, and is nowhere near the calibre type of player Spezza is; yet he's asking for Spezza type dollars. Thanks but no thanks. He has too much Heatleyesque qualities in those regards. The entire Sens ogranization and the fan base do not want to endure another Heatley.

Roy, if the price is right I think could be an interesting addition. Local guy. Hard working. Consistent. Has some serious talent. I think he could compliment this team nicely. I also think being a local guy, we may be able to get him at a decent price.

And I agree with SC on the Anaheim duo...Murray has to kick the tires there and see what happens.
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+3 #12 Kielbasa 2013-02-26 14:26
But right now, I'd honestly do absolutely nothing...and I'd be happy with it. The experience our young AHL callups are getting right now is amazing, and is only going to benefit this team down the road for a very long time. Stay the course is my preference.
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-8 #13 A Train 2013-02-26 14:28
I'd be happy with O'Reilly here and I wouldn't really read too much into his holdout situation with the Avs. Seems like team management there are a little erratic and frankly kind of dicks (Anderson relationship and trade? Landeskog the C already?).

I could see sending Bishop and a 2nd -- maybe even a 1st if that's what it takes -- to Colorado for him.

Worst part of that trade would be the crying in this comment section....unti l everyones realizes we're still stacked at G, have a ton of prospects and are set for years down the middle.
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+5 #14 cain69 2013-02-26 14:28
Oh Hockey Gods!!!! Please have Parry or Ryan fall into Murrays laps at trade dead line.I promis to start attending church again providing :lol: you can swing a deal in the Sens favor.( SERENITY NOW,SERENITY NOW) !!!
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+6 #15 Tcharger 2013-02-26 14:30
Quoting A Train:
I'd be happy with O'Reilly here and I wouldn't really read too much into his holdout situation with the Avs. Seems like team management there are a little erratic and frankly kind of dicks (Anderson relationship and trade? Landeskog the C already?).

I could see sending Bishop and a 2nd -- maybe even a 1st if that's what it takes -- to Colorado for him.

Worst part of that trade would be the crying in this comment section....until everyones realizes we're still stacked at G, have a ton of prospects and are set for years down the middle.



Wow horrible trade...why would we want him? we already have too many capable centers for our top 2 lines.
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+11 #16 snes 2013-02-26 14:33
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting Tcharger-NHL IS A BUSH LEAGUE:
Gross...not a fan of any of the options

Staying the course looks pretty good right now although if either of the guys in Anaheim officially becomes available, you have to take a look.


Frequent flyer, first post ... Compelled by this comment to throw a comment out there of my own. Just curious why looking into the possibility of adding a young-"ish" superstar like Perry or Getzlaf is gross? What the hell? Getzlaf to a lesser extent, but a signed Perry for next season with continuing contributions and growth from the youth movement (Turris, Zib, Silf, Gryba, etc.) solid goaltending, and a healthy line-up with the likes of Karlsson, Spezz, Cowen and Michalek puts us in the contender discussion, no doubt.

Doesn't look so gross to this guy anyway ...
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-2 #17 A Train 2013-02-26 14:34
Quoting Tcharger-NHL IS A BUSH LEAGUE:
Quoting A Train:
I'd be happy with O'Reilly here and I wouldn't really read too much into his holdout situation with the Avs. Seems like team management there are a little erratic and frankly kind of dicks (Anderson relationship and trade? Landeskog the C already?).

I could see sending Bishop and a 2nd -- maybe even a 1st if that's what it takes -- to Colorado for him.

Worst part of that trade would be the crying in this comment section....until everyones realizes we're still stacked at G, have a ton of prospects and are set for years down the middle.



Wow horrible trade...why would we want him? we already have too many capable centers for our top 2 lines.


Teams deep at center seem to do well in this league. He's a young guy on an upward trajectory.

I see Spezza, Turris, O'Reilly and Smith at centre on a Cup contender. Zibanejad to the wing.
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+1 #18 Tcharger 2013-02-26 14:34
Quoting snes:

Frequent flyer, first post ... Compelled by this comment to throw a comment out there of my own. Just curious why looking into the possibility of adding a young-"ish" superstar like Perry or Getzlaf is gross? What the hell? Getzlaf to a lesser extent, but a signed Perry for next season with continuing contributions and growth from the youth movement (Turris, Zib, Silf, Gryba, etc.) solid goaltending, and a healthy line-up with the likes of Karlsson, Spezz, Cowen and Michalek puts us in the contender discussion, no doubt.

Doesn't look so gross to this guy anyway ...



???

Confused by your post...but my gross comment came prior to the Ana comment...it was in regards to the 3 in the main post
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-3 #19 hq8 2013-02-26 14:35
although iginla certainly makes an interesting temptation in that he is a canadian guy who i think would like to go to a canadian team making the playoffs, but i dont think the senators would like to give back what calgary will probably expect - big return.
i think staying pat is the best move possible. its keeping the fans riveted because with the injuries each guy is giving his all and it is making it for an exciting run. not to mention 4th in the east given the circumstances is not a fluke.

for me, as a fan, i want to see this roster make it to the playoffs intact, with the only addition being our injured players coming back. i think this year, it looks like its anyone's game with some teams being very slight exceptions.
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0 #20 A Train 2013-02-26 14:37
One side of me can't help but relish the idea of picking up Iginla.

Trade Alfie and tank? F*** that, we'll take Iggy please and go on a run.

Probably not the best asset management this year with Karlsson down and Spezza iffy.
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+3 #21 nicholas19 2013-02-26 14:39
to be honest i wouldnt mind derek roy signing here for a veteran hometown prescence for silf and zibanejad to learn from.
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+2 #22 Sensnation 2013-02-26 14:41
Personally I'm only interested in Perry or Ryan out of Anaheim.

Turris is plenty as a 2C for years to come. Getzlaf is overkill behind Spezza, O'Reilly wants way too much salary, let alone what they want in exchange for him, and Roy again feels like overkill at C.

I'd consider Iginla if the goal was to make a run this year and next year with him, but I imagine he ends up in Pitt if anywhere.
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+7 #23 snes 2013-02-26 14:42
???

Confused by your post...but my gross comment came prior to the Ana comment...it was in regards to the 3 in the main post



Damn, I wrote that up prior to your Anaheim comment… Too slow to post I guess!

I just wanted to comment that with the addition of Perry, a healthy lineup, and more contributions next year from the youth movement… That this team would be a contender.
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-2 #24 Alcatraz 2013-02-26 14:44
Any chance Bryan Little would be available in Winnipeg? Hed be a great 3LC option, good on the draw, reliable defensively and can play all situations

Probably not but intriguing option
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+4 #25 Millennium 2013-02-26 14:45
In other news, this new realignment plan being mentioned over on TSN looks terrible.
Aside from the fact that the wildcard system seems to contradict division-only playoffs, The East gets burned by taking 2 extra teams, making it harder to qualify compared to the West.
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+1 #26 Hax 2013-02-26 14:46
Quoting snes:
Frequent flyer, first post ... Compelled by this comment to throw a comment out there of my own. Just curious why looking into the possibility of adding a young-"ish" superstar like Perry or Getzlaf is gross?
Doesn't look so gross to this guy anyway ...


Great to have yet another poster.

I think the only negative or question is what's the cost to essentially rent Perry before signing him versus just signing him in the summer.

If Murray believes that we can't sign him in the summer and need to get him now to start working on an extension then fine of course.

Getzlaf is great and all but doesn't fill any need we have really.
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+3 #27 NikoTn 2013-02-26 14:46
Quoting NikoTn:
I don't really see the point in trading for any of these guys... Iginla is going to a team that will be a cup contender if he is traded. O'Reilly is just a red flag for me.


Except for Perry... If we can get the anaheim boys, then I would consider it
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+2 #28 Hax 2013-02-26 14:48
Quoting Millennium:
In other news, this new realignment plan being mentioned over on TSN looks terrible.
Aside from the fact that the wildcard system seems to contradict division-only playoffs, The East gets burned by taking 2 extra teams, making it harder to qualify compared to the West.


Agreed when it comes to the imbalance. I say screw Columbus and keep them in the west so you still have 15 in each and stick with similar playoff format as today.

Expand to Quebec and one more West city to get to 4x8.

And if Carolina, one of the Florida teams or some other East team ends up relocating West then maybe Columbus moves East then.
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+1 #29 Alcatraz 2013-02-26 14:48
Quoting Millennium:
In other news, this new realignment plan being mentioned over on TSN looks terrible.
Aside from the fact that the wildcard system seems to contradict division-only playoffs, The East gets burned by taking 2 extra teams, making it harder to qualify compared to the West.


I like it

The good teams will make the playoffs regardless, and with scheduling within the divisions heavier, I don't think it will be an issue, those 2 extra teams will fall to the bottom of the league. I highly doubt you will see all 5,6,7,8 all competing for the 4th spot.
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+1 #30 NikoTn 2013-02-26 14:49
Quoting A Train:
Quoting Tcharger-NHL IS A BUSH LEAGUE:
Quoting A Train:

I could see sending Bishop and a 2nd -- maybe even a 1st if that's what it takes -- to Colorado for him.

Worst part of that trade would be the crying in this comment section....until everyones realizes we're still stacked at G, have a ton of prospects and are set for years down the middle.



Wow horrible trade...why would we want him? we already have too many capable centers for our top 2 lines.


Teams deep at center seem to do well in this league. He's a young guy on an upward trajectory.

I see Spezza, Turris, O'Reilly and Smith at centre on a Cup contender. Zibanejad to the wing.



They're going to want Zibanejad or Smith for O'Reilly.
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0 #31 Alcatraz 2013-02-26 14:50
Quoting NikoTn:
Quoting A Train:
Quoting Tcharger-NHL IS A BUSH LEAGUE:
Quoting A Train:

I could see sending Bishop and a 2nd -- maybe even a 1st if that's what it takes -- to Colorado for him.

Worst part of that trade would be the crying in this comment section....until everyones realizes we're still stacked at G, have a ton of prospects and are set for years down the middle.



Wow horrible trade...why would we want him? we already have too many capable centers for our top 2 lines.


Teams deep at center seem to do well in this league. He's a young guy on an upward trajectory.

I see Spezza, Turris, O'Reilly and Smith at centre on a Cup contender. Zibanejad to the wing.



They're going to want Zibanejad or Smith for O'Reilly.



haha give them smith!!!
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-4 #32 A Train 2013-02-26 14:53
I'd love Perry too -- or Getzlaf for that matter -- but I really don't think we should pin our hopes on any premium free agents.

They'd rather play somewhere else and that's just a fact we need to accept.

I know we all hope a family connection will entice Perry here, but let's get real: History shows us that just isn't a factor for big time UFAs.

I'll be happy to eat my words if he signs here of course.
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0 #33 Hax 2013-02-26 14:58
Quoting Alcatraz:
Quoting Millennium:
In other news, this new realignment plan being mentioned over on TSN looks terrible.
Aside from the fact that the wildcard system seems to contradict division-only playoffs, The East gets burned by taking 2 extra teams, making it harder to qualify compared to the West.


I like it

The good teams will make the playoffs regardless, and with scheduling within the divisions heavier, I don't think it will be an issue, those 2 extra teams will fall to the bottom of the league. I highly doubt you will see all 5,6,7,8 all competing for the 4th spot.


My concern is more that teams in a 7 team division will lure more players with the idea that there's a better shot at playoffs. If they at least go with 15/15 East/West then that minimizes that concern. But the proposed 16/14 split worries me a bit.
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0 #34 AllStarAlfie 2013-02-26 15:03
Just keep it the same. I have no idea why they feel they should do a realignment and the 16/14 thing is unfair.

Also, only perry and Ryan seem like a good fit but the cost would likely be too much, lets hope BM lures perry in free agency. And chirp, any word on the sens trading one of our goalies at the deadline? Or is the plan to trade one in the offseason?
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+5 #35 Tookie 2013-02-26 15:03
Quoting A Train:

Teams deep at center seem to do well in this league. He's a young guy on an upward trajectory.

I see Spezza, Turris, O'Reilly and Smith at centre on a Cup contender. Zibanejad to the wing.


You think O'Reilly would play 3rd fiddle to Spezza and Turris at 5+Mil a year, LOL...

We would have to move Turris to wing or O'Reilly to wing, we dont need another C, we need scoring wingers.
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0 #36 hq8 2013-02-26 15:03
so lets say Perry is available....wh ich if you read the LeBrun article, then it makes you feel that way.

what should the sens offer? and by that i mean what is the max offer you think the sens should make and stick to? sort of line-in-the-san d mark.

also, i feel the media has something against the sens depth and their success to constantly keep suggesting trade rumors involving o'rielly, anderson and alfie.
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+1 #37 Kielbasa 2013-02-26 15:06
Realignment is necessary for several teams (Winnipeg and Detroit). The big issue for me isn't so much with the realignment but with the current system in which we have a team like Carolina sitting in 3rd place with 19 points (tied for 8th in the conference).

I think teams like Florida and Columbus will eventually fold and move to cities in the West (balancing both conferences in the end). Thus leaving room for expansion to other eastern areas like Quebec City.
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+1 #38 Millennium 2013-02-26 15:08
I kinda liked the 4 conference system they were talking about previously. Sounded more competetive, and punished dead weight teams more effectively.
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0 #39 A Train 2013-02-26 15:10
Quoting Tookie:
Quoting A Train:

Teams deep at center seem to do well in this league. He's a young guy on an upward trajectory.

I see Spezza, Turris, O'Reilly and Smith at centre on a Cup contender. Zibanejad to the wing.


You think O'Reilly would play 3rd fiddle to Spezza and Turris at 5+Mil a year, LOL...

We would have to move Turris to wing or O'Reilly to wing, we dont need another C, we need scoring wingers.


You may be right. Though I can't help but look at recent cup winners and finalists and envy their strength down the middle.
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0 #40 Hax 2013-02-26 15:11
Quoting hq8:
so lets say Perry is available....which if you read the LeBrun article, then it makes you feel that way.

what should the sens offer? and by that i mean what is the max offer you think the sens should make and stick to? sort of line-in-the-sand mark.

also, i feel the media has something against the sens depth and their success to constantly keep suggesting trade rumors involving o'rielly, anderson and alfie.


Great question and this is where I get stuck.

- What are the legit chances of signing Perry this summer?
- What will other teams pay to "rent" Perry for the rest of this year?
- Is it a sign-and-trade for us so we KNOW we've got him long term? Or is it a gamble?
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0 #41 Mexican Baby Jesus 2013-02-26 15:12
Quoting Tookie:
Quoting A Train:

Teams deep at center seem to do well in this league. He's a young guy on an upward trajectory.

I see Spezza, Turris, O'Reilly and Smith at centre on a Cup contender. Zibanejad to the wing.


You think O'Reilly would play 3rd fiddle to Spezza and Turris at 5+Mil a year, LOL...

We would have to move Turris to wing or O'Reilly to wing, we dont need another C, we need scoring wingers.

Nailed it
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0 #42 hq8 2013-02-26 15:17
Quoting Hax:

Great question and this is where I get stuck.

- What are the legit chances of signing Perry this summer?
- What will other teams pay to "rent" Perry for the rest of this year?
- Is it a sign-and-trade for us so we KNOW we've got him long term? Or is it a gamble?


i would assume that first of all if he is traded at all to anyone, its a trade-and-sign. if that is not the case, i don't think anaheim recoups Perry's full value in the trade then because of the risk of him bolting.

the reason i pose the question is that i personally have a hard time figuring out which sens plyrs/prospects /rookies will be made available as even a minimum.
zib - non-starter for ANA, but smart for Ott?
silf - if not zib then will have to be incl.
stone/noesen/puempel - ???
ceci - ?
MM9 - ?
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+4 #43 Tcharger 2013-02-26 15:18
Yeah, I genuinely don't know what I would be willing to give up to get Perry.

Prior to this season the speculating was a lot easier...after seeing what our young guys can do I don't really want to give up any of them.
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0 #44 A Train 2013-02-26 15:19
Quoting Mexican Baby Jesus:
Quoting Tookie:
Quoting A Train:

Teams deep at center seem to do well in this league. He's a young guy on an upward trajectory.

I see Spezza, Turris, O'Reilly and Smith at centre on a Cup contender. Zibanejad to the wing.


You think O'Reilly would play 3rd fiddle to Spezza and Turris at 5+Mil a year, LOL...

We would have to move Turris to wing or O'Reilly to wing, we dont need another C, we need scoring wingers.

Nailed it


OK here's another way of looking at it. As I said above, blue chip UFA's in their prime mostly likely won't sign in Ottawa.

This is why Murray goes after the Turris and Andersons around the league to find the NHL-ready skill we need to compete.

If he can turn Bishop (who he paid a 2nd for) and an unknown pick into another young guy with skill, he'll do it and figure out exactly where he plays later.
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+1 #45 Hax 2013-02-26 15:20
Quoting hq8:
the reason i pose the question is that i personally have a hard time figuring out which sens plyrs/prospects/rookies will be made available as even a minimum.
zib - non-starter for ANA, but smart for Ott?
silf - if not zib then will have to be incl.
stone/noesen/puempel - ???
ceci - ?
MM9 - ?


Of that list I think Silfverberg and Noesen are untouchable. Zibanejad is tough to give up but if the rest of the package isn't too bad and the extension for Perry is reasonable I'd live with it.

I love Ceci but he's unproven still.
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+3 #46 andreasdackell 2013-02-26 15:20
I would love to see Iggy or Alfie win a cup. It would be even better to seem them do it together!!!
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0 #47 hq8 2013-02-26 15:21
which leads me to think that he wont be traded at the deadline - no team will bite that risk.
which in turn reduces the pieces going in any trade involving Perry basically nothing because at most some team will trade a 2nd rounder to negotiate with him.

Getzlaf will sign. Perry will hit UFA and at that time Melnyk probably has to take a leap of faith with his wallet.

from the ducks point of view, their GM probably has to watch his job now considering Burke is back in their organization. they already lost schultz through walk-out. made a questionable trade of beauchemin for gardiner+lupul. now its perry. unless ofcourse the ducks ownership is really stingy and probably hates burke for their previous salary cap debacle.
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-7 #48 conor_smythe 2013-02-26 15:25
For Perry my max offer would be:

1st round pick
puemple or noesen
conditional first if Perry Re-signs

OR

2nd round pick
Zibby or silfver
conditional first...


going rate for a star caliber rental has traditionally been a first and second, or a first and a prospect, or an elite prospect and a 2nd

The conditional first should be obvious why its there

I wouldn't give up anything more than this, and if ANA wants more, screw em

take our chances in free agency
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+2 #49 Tcharger 2013-02-26 15:27
Quoting conor_smythe:
For Perry my max offer would be:

1st round pick
puemple or noesen
conditional first if Perry Re-signs

OR

2nd round pick
Zibby or silfver
conditional first...


going rate for a star caliber rental has traditionally been a first and second, or a first and a prospect, or an elite prospect and a 2nd

The conditional first should be obvious why its there

I wouldn't give up anything more than this, and if ANA wants more, screw em

take our chances in free agency



I know that that is likely realistic, but if that is what it takes I would just sit back and see what materializes with our guys.
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+2 #50 karlssens 2013-02-26 15:28
Quoting conor_smythe:
For Perry my max offer would be:

1st round pick
puemple or noesen
conditional first if Perry Re-signs

OR

2nd round pick
Zibby or silfver
conditional first...


going rate for a star caliber rental has traditionally been a first and second, or a first and a prospect, or an elite prospect and a 2nd

The conditional first should be obvious why its there

I wouldn't give up anything more than this, and if ANA wants more, screw em

take our chances in free agency

If its going to take either of those packages, I'll pass.
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+1 #51 NikoTn 2013-02-26 15:34
Quoting karlssens:
Quoting conor_smythe:
For Perry my max offer would be:

1st round pick
puemple or noesen
conditional first if Perry Re-signs

OR

2nd round pick
Zibby or silfver
conditional first...


going rate for a star caliber rental has traditionally been a first and second, or a first and a prospect, or an elite prospect and a 2nd

The conditional first should be obvious why its there

I wouldn't give up anything more than this, and if ANA wants more, screw em

take our chances in free agency

If its going to take either of those packages, I'll pass.


Well... things aren't free, especially when Perry is a GOld medal winner and Stanley Cup Champion.... (i believe he won the Rocket Richard trophy too)

Think about it... what would you want for Perry if he was on your team?
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+1 #52 conor_smythe 2013-02-26 15:34
Karlssens and TC

I fully agree. The packages are hefty but very realistic. I'm sure its a trade that neither team would be fully happy making.

That means its probably equal for both sides
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0 #53 Hax 2013-02-26 15:34
One thing to keep in mind:

I know we're a budget team and all and I've made peace with that. But we're also about to enter year three of a three year plan (according to Melnyk very recently). So one can hope that the plan was to end with a cup run and some spending.

Not to the cap I guess, but since we've been at the floor since the rebuild/retool started signing Perry to Gonchar/Kovalev dollars or whatever doesn't seem too far fetched for me.

Sign him for 4 years or something and put his picture up on the building etc.

Am I dreaming?
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0 #54 A Train 2013-02-26 15:35
Quoting karlssens:
Quoting conor_smythe:
For Perry my max offer would be:

1st round pick
puemple or noesen
conditional first if Perry Re-signs

OR

2nd round pick
Zibby or silfver
conditional first...


going rate for a star caliber rental has traditionally been a first and second, or a first and a prospect, or an elite prospect and a 2nd

The conditional first should be obvious why its there

I wouldn't give up anything more than this, and if ANA wants more, screw em

take our chances in free agency

If its going to take either of those packages, I'll pass.


Honestly I think it would take a little more than either of those packages if he is truly being shopped and other teams are bidding.

He's a multiple trophy winning superstar still in his prime. If you were Anaheim, would you take Noesen and a mid-to-late round 1st for that?
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0 #55 karlssens 2013-02-26 15:37
Well... things aren't free, especially when Perry is a GOld medal winner and Stanley Cup Champion.... (i believe he won the Rocket Richard trophy too)

Think about it... what would you want for Perry if he was on your team?



I'd want a lot haha, but our prospects have such high ceilings there's just no way I'd be comfortable seeing Zibby or Silf scoring 40+ on another team, just not worth the heart break for me.

If we can sign him in the offseason for a Heatley like deal of 7.5 I'd be all for it, but I am a firm believer in the fact that players give their all for the team that drafted them.
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-1 #56 karlssens 2013-02-26 15:40
In the first proposed deal are we giving away two first round picks if he resigns.. or was that one first rounder if he resigns?
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0 #57 CarloswSPECR1 2013-02-26 15:40
A Question for you guys:

If we can do a sign and trade,

Would you consider trading Turris + Assets/picks/et c for Getzlaf and Perry? (Getzlaf and Perry signed before being traded to Ottawa)

Just a fantasy question. It looks very tempting IMHO.

Personally, I think Getlzaf is a huge upgrade to Turris, and Perry and Getlzlaf are only 27.

And I mean, a trade that works for both sides, and a fair trade.

(Simillar to Hossa, De Grives for Heatley) = Fair trade.
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0 #58 Hax 2013-02-26 15:45
Quoting CarloswSPECR1:
A Question for you guys:

If we can do a sign and trade,

Would you consider trading Turris + Assets/picks/etc for Getzlaf and Perry? (Getzlaf and Perry signed before being traded to Ottawa)

Just a fantasy question. It looks very tempting IMHO.

Personally, I think Getlzaf is a huge upgrade to Turris, and Perry and Getlzlaf are only 27.

And I mean, a trade that works for both sides, and a fair trade.

(Simillar to Hossa, De Grives for Heatley) = Fair trade.


As long as Getzlaf is cool being #2C (or 1B) and Melnyk is cool paying what Getzlaf and Perry would cost then yeah.

Hard to see Turris go but agree Getzlaf is an upgrade (especially considering the chemistry with Perry).
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-14 #59 NeedHockeyTalk 2013-02-26 15:46
What about Cowen and Michalek for Perry?
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+5 #60 Mitchell 2013-02-26 15:50
Bryan Murray drafted Correy Perry because he knew what he would bring from the start. Bryan Murray drafted Stefan Noesen because when he saw him he saw a lot of what he saw in Correy Perry. Why trade for what we could potentially already have. And we didn't trade 2x2nd to grab Matt Puemple to trade. These guys are part of the organization master minded planned. If we trade it's for move-ables for assets. Not the other way around.
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+2 #61 CarloswSPECR1 2013-02-26 15:51
Quoting Hax:

As long as Getzlaf is cool being #2C (or 1B) and Melnyk is cool paying what Getzlaf and Perry would cost then yeah.

Hard to see Turris go but agree Getzlaf is an upgrade (especially considering the chemistry with Perry).


Because in this scenario, it'll be like Pittsburgh with Crosby + Malkin.

We can potentially have TWO 1st Lines, and a third/4th Line.
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0 #62 CarloswSPECR1 2013-02-26 15:57
Quoting NeedHockeyTalk:
What about Cowen and Michalek for Perry?


For an Unsigned Perry, Hells no.

Quoting Mitchell:
Bryan Murray drafted Correy Perry because he knew what he would bring from the start. Bryan Murray drafted Stefan Noesen because when he saw him he saw a lot of what he saw in Correy Perry. Why trade for what we could potentially already have. And we didn't trade 2x2nd to grab Matt Puemple to trade. These guys are part of the organization master minded planned. If we trade it's for move-ables for assets. Not the other way around.


Because the Idea of getting sure-fire superstar, sure-fire top-3/top-6 player vs a "Potential" scorer (who might fizzle) is just too risky.

Take your Homer-glasses off. You're counting chickens before they hatch.
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-2 #63 NeedHockeyTalk 2013-02-26 16:02
Assuming its a trade and sign of course. Perry is better than Michalek. We now have a bunch of young defensemen, so we can trade one of them. Cowen probably has best trade value.
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0 #64 Hax 2013-02-26 16:04
With our potential depth up front I'm loathe to trade away Cowen as part of a package - even for a proven guys and even if he's signed beforehand. But of course, Murray could move some of the forward depth for help on the blueline.

And I agree that moving Puemple (and to a much, much lesser extent Noesen) for a guy that's already "there" is smart. But only if the rest of the package isn't crazy and Perry is signed to an extension etc.

I still think Noesen will be a huge star for us in 3-4 years so I'm not keen on moving him out either.

Good thing I'm not GM I guess. LOL
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+9 #65 timwrx 2013-02-26 16:04
McGrattan on waivers. Pick him up solely for Pittsburgh games!
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+1 #66 SensChirp 2013-02-26 16:07
Quoting Mitchell:
Bryan Murray drafted Correy Perry because he knew what he would bring from the start. Bryan Murray drafted Stefan Noesen because when he saw him he saw a lot of what he saw in Correy Perry. Why trade for what we could potentially already have.


The answer to this is very easy for me- to contend for the Stanley Cup next season.
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0 #67 Hax 2013-02-26 16:10
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting Mitchell:
Bryan Murray drafted Correy Perry because he knew what he would bring from the start. Bryan Murray drafted Stefan Noesen because when he saw him he saw a lot of what he saw in Correy Perry. Why trade for what we could potentially already have.


The answer to this is very easy for me- to contend for the Stanley Cup next season.


This post by Mitchell actually brings another idea to me:

The Ducks know very well what Murray's drafting record is like. So maybe that gives us an edge in putting together a package of prospects that Murray's staff selected. i.e. The Ducks might think "Hey if Murray drafted ____ he might be the next Perry!"
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0 #68 hq8 2013-02-26 16:10
so i think we can all see that to trade for him before the deadline is only going to require a ridiculous amount of pieces going the other way. i think most people's suggestions include atleast two first rounders (future + past incl.). i think the best scenario for Anaheim is trading him before the deadline (other than signing him obviously). but the best scenario for every other team is that he either signs in Anaheim or doesnt get traded by the deadline.
i think Anaheim is in tough and will have to do with not trading him before the deadline. teams won't bite the risk as the deadline approaches and passes with Perry unsigned and the risk of him not signing along with the crazy return req'd by Ana pre-deadline. the easy path for every other team is to go at him post-deadline when they know Ana doesn't have any cards to play.
its tougher for anaheim because fasth is doing great and they are in contention.
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0 #69 hoee 2013-02-26 16:12
Meh those guys will be asking for alot in return, if I were Ott I would be looking at players whos stock has fallen lately and could be due for a change of scenery.

2 players that come to mind is Simon Gagne and Ray Whitney.

Gagne has 5 points in 11 games while playing 13-14 minutes for the Kings, he is a UFA this year, and was scratched a couple of times, he could be had for a 4th-3rd rounder.

Whitney has been considered Edmonton's top pairing guy the past few years, new coach and system, plus new players have really set him back, it seems he could be had for a late pick. He is a stanley cup winner with PIT, roughly Methot's age, a UFA and a puck mover for the top 4 if he finds his game, could replace Gonchar next season.
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+1 #70 RUSHRLZ 2013-02-26 16:13
Sounds like Philly just reacquired Gagne from LA.
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0 #71 Hax 2013-02-26 16:14
I would say best case (of the remotely possible) scenario is that Perry ends up getting traded as a rental and still ends up UFA. With Murray signing him of course.

I agree that the price is going to be really high for sign-and-trade so thinking maybe we hope for the Ducks to cut bait and trade him as a rental for a 1st rounder or something. Let some other team overpay to rent him and target signing him in July.
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0 #72 hq8 2013-02-26 16:14
Quoting hoee:
Meh those guys will be asking for alot in return, if I were Ott I would be looking at players whos stock has fallen lately and could be due for a change of scenery.

2 players that come to mind is Simon Gagne and Ray Whitney.

Gagne has 5 points in 11 games while playing 13-14 minutes for the Kings, he is a UFA this year, and was scratched a couple of times, he could be had for a 4th-3rd rounder.

Whitney has been considered Edmonton's top pairing guy the past few years, new coach and system, plus new players have really set him back, it seems he could be had for a late pick. He is a stanley cup winner with PIT, roughly Methot's age, a UFA and a puck mover for the top 4 if he finds his game, could replace Gonchar next season.


you spoke too soon, gagne traded to Philly.
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+1 #73 hoee 2013-02-26 16:16
holy shit I am a prophet.

So does this mean Ray Whitney is getting traded for 5-7th rounder?
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0 #74 hq8 2013-02-26 16:18
Quoting hoee:
holy shit I am a prophet.

So does this mean Ray Whitney is getting traded for 5-7th rounder?


no, he loves it down south and is not leaving. he could have left in the summer but chose not to.

the other wild card in the perry trade rumors is Glenn Sather ofcourse, i wouldnt be surprised if he pulled a Rick Nash - for - Corey Perry trade. or even the flyers who might just trade all of coutourier+w.e else there is on that team for him lol
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-1 #75 hoee 2013-02-26 16:20
Quoting hq8:
Quoting hoee:
holy shit I am a prophet.

So does this mean Ray Whitney is getting traded for 5-7th rounder?


no, he loves it down south and is not leaving. he could have left in the summer but chose not to.

the other wild card in the perry trade rumors is Glenn Sather ofcourse, i wouldnt be surprised if he pulled a Rick Nash - for - Corey Perry trade. or even the flyers who might just trade all of coutourier+w.e else there is on that team for him lol


Down south? Left in the summer? I don't think you know which player I am talking about.

Ray Whitney from Edmonton.
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-1 #76 hoee 2013-02-26 16:21
Woops, Ryan Whitney, not Ray.
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0 #77 boom 2013-02-26 16:25
Quoting hoee:
holy shit I am a prophet.

So does this mean Ray Whitney is getting traded for 5-7th rounder?


Ironically, there's no money in being a Prophet...
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0 #78 Hax 2013-02-26 16:28
Gagne for a fourth? I guess we can stop drooling over what a healthy Latendresse might fetch. Or possibly Regin.
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-2 #79 nicholas19 2013-02-26 16:35
Im not putting stock in corey perry, i cant stand that guy let alone having to look at his face in interviews. dude probably wouldnt even consider playing for the sens anyway.
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0 #80 DenisVial 2013-02-26 16:36
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting Mitchell:
Bryan Murray drafted Correy Perry because he knew what he would bring from the start. Bryan Murray drafted Stefan Noesen because when he saw him he saw a lot of what he saw in Correy Perry. Why trade for what we could potentially already have.


The answer to this is very easy for me- to contend for the Stanley Cup next season.


If Perry ends up in Ottawa, Alfie is coming back for one last shot at the cup next year. I would trade Noesen in a sign and trade for Perry. He is probably the first player they would ask for.
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+1 #81 Kielbasa 2013-02-26 16:37
I hate to say it...those bigger name players are most likely going to sign elsewhere; most likely with a bigger US city market. Ottawa, as much as I love this city, is a tough sell for some players I think. I just think those players are not going to even consider Ottawa as an option.
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-1 #82 jakester 2013-02-26 16:39
I would go for O'Reilly - Zack Smith plus Mark Stone. we all thought TUrris was going to be a head case trouble maker. This O 'Reilly kid is nothing but a born leader. I would take him right away. you move TUrris to Spezza's wing.

Zack Smith the last few weeks has been a momentum changer in the wrong direction unfortunately. 2 games ago he lead a 3-1 into the other teams zone and we didn't manage a shot. turnover upon turnover. don't get me wrong I love the guy but nothing he does amounts to much.

Unlike others I like Soezza-O'Reilly -Zibby-and Grant as our centres moving forward. all have good size and can skate. TUrris on the wing can convert Spezza's work and is a solid back checker.
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0 #83 jakester 2013-02-26 16:42
Getzlaf to me would be an awesome move. 2 centres like Spezza and him would make us a force moving forward. tons of young wingers coming up in the next year or two. could be dangerous. Zibby,TUrris,Si lf already.
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0 #84 jakester 2013-02-26 16:43
Perry off to a bit of a questionable start too, is he slowing down....
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0 #85 jakester 2013-02-26 16:49
5goals , nine assists not too bad actually.
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-1 #86 Commander Tom 2013-02-26 16:50
HMMMMM !

I thought that there would be at least one Ottawa/Columbus rumour on SC's list.
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+1 #87 SensFanInMTL 2013-02-26 16:54
Also, having both of the Ducks players makes no sense to have in Ottawa, unless Turris is to be moved. Michalek would have to be gone as well due to his enormous salary as well.
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0 #88 boom 2013-02-26 17:03
Quoting boom:
Quoting hoee:
holy shit I am a prophet.

So does this mean Ray Whitney is getting traded for 5-7th rounder?


Ironically, there's no money in being a Prophet...


No sense of haha today? Or was it just that bad?
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-2 #89 conor_smythe 2013-02-26 17:04
I really don't think bob Mackenzie understands twitter

Theres a character limit for a reason
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-2 #90 SensFanInMTL 2013-02-26 17:04
Quoting Mitchell:
Bryan Murray drafted Correy Perry because he knew what he would bring from the start. Bryan Murray drafted Stefan Noesen because when he saw him he saw a lot of what he saw in Correy Perry. Why trade for what we could potentially already have. And we didn't trade 2x2nd to grab Matt Puemple to trade. These guys are part of the organization master minded planned. If we trade it's for move-ables for assets. Not the other way around.

Spot on! And for that you receive a thumbs up. Noesen is comparable to Perry as per TSN. Same two way minded style of plays and has sick hands, gets a lot of deflection goals. Don't know much about Puempel aside that he is a pure goal scorer and having a sniping one next to Spezza doesn't seem like a bad idea. Not saying he'll become a Heatley type of sniper but you'd have to think that Murray wouldn't have traded two 2nd rounders to grab a third 1st rounder. He simply would've let the draft continue on.
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-17 #91 Tookie 2013-02-26 17:09
I think so too, Zib and Silf are unproven, one is projected a 3C and the other is top 6 + unproven picks.

ANA is going to laugh in your face with that offer...

It would take more and I would give more, are you kidding me, Perry alongside Spezza for 5 years. Its exactly what we need. With Gonchar's 5mil off the books, it just go directly to Perry +2Mil, there ya go.

I would give up any of the following players for Perry.

Any current Bingo player (except Lehner), Zib, Silf, Michalek, Cowen, Smith, any of our prospects (except Noesen) any 1st round pick in the next 5 years.

But preferrably something like this:

Michalek
Zibanejad
Puempel
Bishop
1st round pick 2014

for

Perry + mid level prospect.

This is of course sign & trade...otherwi se wait for UFA and throw 7+ mil to him for 5 years!
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+5 #92 from aNOTHER BLOG 2013-02-26 17:10
People need to stop with this "sens should get o'reilly" crap.

Sens have:

Spezza, turris, zibby, regin, smith, da costa, o'brien, hoffman....that 's 8 centers in or heading towards the prime of their careers. Why the hell would they need to trade valuable assets, and pay 5 mil for a guy who would play on the 3rd line?
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0 #93 hamany 2013-02-26 17:11
Chirp, is the re-allignement better for Ottawa or would it be harder for them to make the playoffs?
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0 #94 boom 2013-02-26 17:12
Quoting from aNOTHER BLOG:
People need to stop with this "sens should get o'reilly" crap.

Sens have:

Spezza, turris, zibby, regin, smith, da costa, o'brien, hoffman....that's 8 centers in or heading towards the prime of their careers. Why the hell would they need to trade valuable assets, and pay 5 mil for a guy who would play on the 3rd line?

The short answers is: because he wouldn't...
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0 #95 sens84 2013-02-26 17:16
I honestly don't see why we would trade for anyone. We're clearly getting it done at the moment with the B-Sens, and if we had our full roster we would be unquestionably one of the teams to beat in the east.

Since this is year 2 of our re-build, I think we should see what our prospects can do in the later part of the season and into next year. If Noesen, Stone, Hoffman, Silf, Zibby, and Puemple are as good as Murray thinks they are (and let's face it, this guy has an uncanny ability to spot diamonds in the rough) we should have a stacked team for the next 3-4 seasons.

I would rather wait a year to really make a run and do it with our home grown players than try to buy our way into the finals.

I personally say let the kids play. They know how to be winners and it's somehow gotten them this far even though we should be losing every game. I really don't see any risk in sticking with them.
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+2 #96 Kielbasa 2013-02-26 17:18
I still don't understand the love on O'Reilly with so many in here. What has he done in this league that warrants moving talented assets for him? What has he done in this league to warrant $5M+? He's unproven, just like many in our system are. I'd sooner stick with those we have in our system now rather than lose many for someone still unproven.
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+6 #97 SNOOPY SENIOR 2013-02-26 17:24
Quoting Tookie:
I think so too, Zib and Silf are unproven, one is projected a 3C and the other is top 6 + unproven picks.


I would give up any of the following players for Perry.

Any current Bingo player (except Lehner), Zib, Silf, Michalek, Cowen, Smith, any of our prospects (except Noesen) any 1st round pick in the next 5 years.

But preferrably something like this:

Michalek
Zibanejad
Puempel
Bishop
1st round pick 2014

for

Perry + mid level prospect.

This is of course sign & trade...otherwise wait for UFA and throw 7+ mil to him for 5 years!


Have you lost your hockey sense ??

You would trade 4 good to great players +
a First Round pick in 2014, for Perry and
a mid level prospect??

Nobody in today's NHL is worth that kind of return value ( maybe Erik Karlsson )

Unbelievable fantasy trade !!
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+3 #98 SensFanInMTL 2013-02-26 17:31
Quoting Tookie:
I think so too, Zib and Silf are unproven, one is projected a 3C and the other is top 6 + unproven picks.

ANA is going to laugh in your face with that offer...

I would give up any of the following players for Perry.

Any current Bingo player (except Lehner), Zib, Silf, Michalek, Cowen, Smith, any of our prospects (except Noesen) any 1st round pick in the next 5 years.

But preferrably something like this:

Michalek
Zibanejad
Puempel
Bishop
1st round pick 2014

for

Perry + mid level prospect.

Don't usually disagree with you but..

Four 1st rounders (2003, 2011, 2011, 2014) and Bishop? Honestly even NHL 13 would deny that trade. In their eyes it would be insufficient. Back on earth, it's just too damn steep. That can potentially be an entire line, plus a goalie, plus another pick? Esti.
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+4 #99 SensFanInMTL 2013-02-26 17:35
On a second thought, having:

Stone
Hoffman
Zibanejad
Noesen
Puempel
Silfverberg
Pageau
Prince

Plus an abundance of other prospects, there's no way they all get a chance to play here, at least at the same time. Something's got to give.
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+2 #100 SNOOPY SENIOR 2013-02-26 17:36
Quoting SensFanInMTL:
[quote name="Tookie"]I think so too, Zib and Silf are unproven, one is projected a 3C and the other is top 6 + unproven picks.

ANA is going to laugh in your face with that offer...

I would give up any of the following players for Perry.

Any current Bingo player (except Lehner), Zib, Silf, Michalek, Cowen, Smith, any of our prospects (except Noesen) any 1st round pick in the next 5 years.

But preferrably something like this:

Michalek
Zibanejad
Puempel
Bishop
1st ro]
Don't usually disagree with you but..

Four 1st rounders (2003, 2011, 2011, 2014) and Bishop? Honestly even NHL 13 would deny that trade. In their eyes it would be insufficient. Back on earth, it's just too damn steep. That can potentially be an entire line, plus a goalie, plus another pick? Esti.



Tookie's fantasy trade is crazier than the Kessel deal with bruins !
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+1 #101 hq8 2013-02-26 17:41
Quoting hoee:
Quoting hq8:
Quoting hoee:
holy shit I am a prophet.

So does this mean Ray Whitney is getting traded for 5-7th rounder?


no, he loves it down south and is not leaving. he could have left in the summer but chose not to.

the other wild card in the perry trade rumors is Glenn Sather ofcourse, i wouldnt be surprised if he pulled a Rick Nash - for - Corey Perry trade. or even the flyers who might just trade all of coutourier+w.e else there is on that team for him lol


Down south? Left in the summer? I don't think you know which player I am talking about.

Ray Whitney from Edmonton.


uhhhhh ray whitney plays for dallas...ryan whitney plays for EDM.
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+4 #102 Sens of Peskyville 2013-02-26 17:52
Quoting Tookie:
I think so too, Zib and Silf are unproven, one is projected a 3C and the other is top 6 + unproven picks.

ANA is going to laugh in your face with that offer...

It would take more and I would give more, are you kidding me, Perry alongside Spezza for 5 years. Its exactly what we need. With Gonchar's 5mil off the books, it just go directly to Perry +2Mil, there ya go.

I would give up any of the following players for Perry.

Any current Bingo player (except Lehner), Zib, Silf, Michalek, Cowen, Smith, any of our prospects (except Noesen) any 1st round pick in the next 5 years.

But preferrably something like this:

Michalek
Zibanejad
Puempel
Bishop
1st round pick 2014

for

Perry + mid level prospect.

This is of course sign & trade...otherwise wait for UFA and throw 7+ mil to him for 5 years!


Be honest... are you really Brian Burke???
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+8 #103 AlfieforMayor11 2013-02-26 17:54
Quoting Tookie:


But preferrably something like this:

Michalek
Zibanejad
Puempel
Bishop
1st round pick 2014

for

Perry + mid level prospect.

This is of course sign & trade...otherwise wait for UFA and throw 7+ mil to him for 5 years!


Quite possibly the dumbest trade proposal I have ever seen on Senschirp. Thanks for the laugh Tookie, ya bonehead!
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0 #104 St Nick 2013-02-26 18:09
We don't need any of them, we have Stone, Hoffman, Noesen, Ceci & Puempel coming on top of what we have now in Ottawa & Bingo. We may already have the players in the organization to win it all. We are showing that we certainly have the depth. I'd only trade what we won't need for next yr, Daugavins, Lundin, Gonchar maybe Da Costa, Bishop, Regin or Condra & maybe just for picks. I wouldn't trade any of our blue chip prospects.
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0 #105 MoeDozer 2013-02-26 18:11
erik cole traded for ryder!
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+5 #106 SensChirp 2013-02-26 18:14
Quoting St Nick:
We don't need any of them, we have Stone, Hoffman, Noesen, Ceci & Puempel coming on top of what we have now in Ottawa & Bingo. We may already have the players in the organization to win it all. We are showing that we certainly have the depth. I'd only trade what we won't need for next yr, Daugavins, Lundin, Gonchar maybe Da Costa, Bishop, Regin or Condra & maybe just for picks. I wouldn't trade any of our blue chip prospects.

All good prospects but how many years do you figure before they are NHL players? And is there room for them all?

At some point the Sens are going to have to cash in some of the prospect depth to add legitimate NHL talent. I really think next year might be the time to take a bit of a run.
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0 #107 Illdistrict 2013-02-26 18:25
Just as i was adding red hot Ryder to my Fanatsy team..

Cole to Dallas for Ryder.
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0 #108 Big Daddy 2013-02-26 18:43
We don't need any of them, we have Stone, Hoffman, Noesen, Ceci & Puempel coming on top of what we have now in Ottawa & Bingo. We may already have the players in the organization to win it all. We are showing that we certainly have the depth. I'd only trade what we won't need for next yr, Daugavins, Lundin, Gonchar maybe Da Costa, Bishop, Regin or Condra & maybe just for picks. I wouldn't trade any of our blue chip prospects

I don't know, Condra has gone from someone I wasn't big on last year to a beauty. The man is consistently one of our best players and seems to get a lot of quality chances. Seems to be great on the PK to.
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-10 #109 Sudsy 2013-02-26 18:45
Assuming it's a sign & trade I'd do the following for Perry:

Michalek
Wiercioch
Puempel
1st 2013-2014
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0 #110 Hax 2013-02-26 18:46
The only reason to trade for Perry (with anything close to what they'd want) is if we KNOW that we can't sign him in the off season. If so then a sign-and-trade is a way to go (though I worry about "forcing" a guy here that we could never sign).
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0 #111 Hax 2013-02-26 18:53
How about three conferences?

San Jose
Anaheim
Los Angeles
Phoenix
Vancouver
Calgary
Edmonton
Dallas
Colorado
Winnipeg

Minnesota
Chicago
St Louis
Detroit
Columbus
Nashville
Carolina
Tampa Bay
Florida
Washington

Ottawa
Buffalo
Boston
Montreal
NY Rangers
NY Islanders
New Jersey
Pittsburgh
Philadelphia
Toronto

Works geographically and seems decent for rivalries as well.

For playoffs the first two in each conference make the playoffs and then everything else is based on overall standings. I know that means you'd have playoff match-ups all over the board but why is that a bad thing?

There's no way to split into two equal halves geographically (except the current model with maybe flipping Columbus and Winnipeg) so why not go for three groups?
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-1 #112 jakester 2013-02-26 19:00
Chirp, what do you think about O'Reilly? I've seen him a few times and he's an impressive player. A real go getter. DO you think that TUrris might be better served on the wing? I agree we have just too many prospects and we should start using some for building our base further. Would be a great move like the TUrris trade last year.
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0 #113 Hax 2013-02-26 19:01
I know the NHL likes the idea of teams playing each other every year (helps season ticket sales I guess) but I would almost rather see teams play their conference rivals 6 times each still. 54 games within conference and then 28 games outside conference. 14 home-and-homes with the six teams you don't play changing every year.

Or split the conferences into two divisions each and then you could have 32 games within division (8x4), 30 more within conference (6x5) and then one each with the other two conferences (if you want to have them play every team at least once).
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+1 #114 conor_smythe 2013-02-26 19:06
Quoting Kielbasa:
I still don't understand the love on O'Reilly with so many in here. What has he done in this league that warrants moving talented assets for him? What has he done in this league to warrant $5M+? He's unproven, just like many in our system are. I'd sooner stick with those we have in our system now rather than lose many for someone still unproven.



I don't agree with the money he's asking for (yet), but this was sent to me from Travis Yost earlier today,

I was looking for something to shut most of you haters up



http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1423


This is all based on stats. Not the opinion of the writer


Somebody made a comment he would play on the 3rd line.... no, that's where he played as a rookie
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0 #115 Mexican Baby Jesus 2013-02-26 19:14
Quoting Tookie:
I think so too, Zib and Silf are unproven, one is projected a 3C and the other is top 6 + unproven picks.
I would give up any of the following players for Perry.

But preferrably something like this:

Michalek
Zibanejad
Puempel
Bishop
1st round pick 2014

for

Perry + mid level prospect.

This is of course sign & trade...otherwise wait for UFA and throw 7+ mil to him for 5 years!


You have lost your mind. We would be getting HOSED. Only teams that should be trading for him are teams that are going for a good cup run THIS SEASON. Otherwise you wait until UFA. Take out Zibanejad or Puempel and first and it starts making some sense.
GMs of every other team would laugh in the face of Murray if that deal went through
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+1 #116 A Train 2013-02-26 19:19
Consider the Toronto Blue Jays. Going into this offseason this was a franchise STACKED with quality prospects. Like the kinds other teams drool over.

They traded several .... including their best pitching prospect and Travis D'Arnaud who is pretty much the Robin Lehner of catcher prospects .... for proven all-stars.

The message was clear: We want to win. We know we are a hard sell for top-tier free agents (they came right out and said it!). So we are going to mix it up, keep some of our home-grown talent and augment it with players we can pick up for blue chip prospects.

Not that different from the Sens situation right now.
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+1 #117 SensChirp 2013-02-26 19:20
Quoting conor_smythe:
Quoting Kielbasa:
I still don't understand the love on O'Reilly with so many in here. What has he done in this league that warrants moving talented assets for him? What has he done in this league to warrant $5M+? He's unproven, just like many in our system are. I'd sooner stick with those we have in our system now rather than lose many for someone still unproven.



I don't agree with the money he's asking for (yet), but this was sent to me from Travis Yost earlier today,

I was looking for something to shut most of you haters up



http://www.hockeyprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=1423


This is all based on stats. Not the opinion of the writer

That was actually pretty impressive and worth a read. Certainly a great all around talent and while the hold out raises some red flags, there is obviously a lot to like about the player.

Thanks for sharing
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0 #118 A Train 2013-02-26 19:27
While we're sharing, I hope everyone read this article:

http://www.senatorsextra.com/main/professional-hockey-meets-research-and-development

I've been pretty critical of Panzeri in the past, but this is a really solid read and provides some excellent insight into how Murray and Maclean see this team. Solid local sports journalism.
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0 #119 SensChirp 2013-02-26 19:42
Quoting A Train:
While we're sharing, I hope everyone read this article:

http://www.senatorsextra.com/main/professional-hockey-meets-research-and-development

I've been pretty critical of Panzeri in the past, but this is a really solid read and provides some excellent insight into how Murray and Maclean see this team. Solid local sports journalism.

Agreed.

Some really important elements in there to consider when throwing out trade proposals. Developing talent is something this organizations takes great pride in and it's going to have to be a pretty special deal to give up on any of them.
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0 #120 AllStarAlfie 2013-02-26 19:46
What are everyone's thoughts on realignment?
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+1 #121 A Train 2013-02-26 19:55
Quoting AllStarAlfie:
What are everyone's thoughts on realignment?


Won't change much for the Sens in my opinion. Who's in your division matters much more in a sport like baseball where fewer teams make the playoffs and there is no cap. You risk getting stuck behind perennial contenders.
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0 #122 Andrews Theory 2013-02-26 19:58
Shit... Gagne for a fourth seems like one hell of a deal that we could have jumped on no?

Also, i dont know that OReilly fits our needs but everybody saying he's over rated is unwarranted...t he comparable player is Toews which is one hell of a comparison. A few people have scoffed at the idea of moving Turris to the wing but there is several players with similar size playing the wing (havlat) comes to mind...if Murray is interested in Getlaf do you really think he wouldn't slot into the 2C spot?

Moving a center to the wing isn't like moving a winger to center..,
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0 #123 Hax 2013-02-26 20:16
Quoting A Train:
Consider the Toronto Blue Jays. Going into this offseason this was a franchise STACKED with quality prospects. Like the kinds other teams drool over.

They traded several .... including their best pitching prospect and Travis D'Arnaud who is pretty much the Robin Lehner of catcher prospects .... for proven all-stars.

The message was clear: We want to win. We know we are a hard sell for top-tier free agents (they came right out and said it!). So we are going to mix it up, keep some of our home-grown talent and augment it with players we can pick up for blue chip prospects.

Not that different from the Sens situation right now.


God I hate the Blue Jays. Your comparison isn't bad really but (dating myself here) as an Expo fan I can't support the Blue Jays. Much less considering they're neighbors to the Leafs.
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-1 #124 jakester 2013-02-26 20:20
Love that O'Reilly article - great faceoffs man talented offensively and responsible defensively. I've been saying it - not crazy about TUrris at center. I think he's an amazing talent, don't get me wrong, that would be the sniper on Spezza's wing. With the shot TUrris has he would be a shooter all night long. let the big guy carry he mail for him

Spezza
o'Reilly
Zibby
Grant

As our guys down the middle people. trust me.
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+4 #125 Jar of PalladiumDirt 2013-02-26 20:30
We don't need to make any trades.

We need Gonchar more than ever. He's playing well, especially when you consider the added workload at his age.

I still here people mentioning Michalek as potential trade bait. There's no reason to get rid of a player who is fast, big, strong and in his prime. All this plus he can score and backcheck.

Bishop will be a top-tier starter to whoever we trade him to, so I really hope we don't undervalue if he ends up being traded.

I thinking adding the wrong person via a trade could mess up this insane Binghamton chemistry we have going.
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-1 #126 Sandy 2013-02-26 21:48
As for the Ducks... do they even trade either Getzlaf or Perry prior to the playoffs?

The sit 2nd overall in the conference. Do they want to move their top 2 players while in the playoff race?

They are trying to sign both.. but if only one.. I think it is Getzlaf. He's a #1 centre and not every team has one.

I can see them wanting to get something for one or both.. but at the risk of hurting your playoff chances?

They have pretty good goaltending.. and once you get into the playoffs anything can happen.

Don't know much about O'Rielly to give my opinion on a trade.

But it's seems he's asking for too much $$ that's why he is still sitting. But then again.. Colorado has let some good players go as they could not undercut them on salary.

Turris is a very good SECOND LINE centre. He is over his head right now.. facing the top checkers of the other team.. and at this point in his career he's not ready for that.
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0 #127 hq8 2013-02-26 21:52
lol the refs are screwing the panthers right now against the penguins

also both floatalev and fuba are healthy scratches....go od riddance.
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0 #128 Floridasensfan 2013-02-26 21:53
Great reads

Silverburg is one of the snipers we have always wanted for Spezza, Turris is an interesting thought as a winger, the young guys we have are all hungry and I think that is why we win games we should not win, one thing for sure is the value is high of our young guys from Bingo playing in ottawa. (more so than when they were playing in Bingo)

Going to be hard for BM to pull the trigger on a trade playing like we are.
Once healthy we have a ton of extras.
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+1 #129 taxman 2013-02-26 21:53
When Ottawa lost to the Ducks in 07, I hated, hated, hated Perry. And I would absolutely kill to have him on our team. I would do the Michalek and Cowen deal in a heartbeat. Throw in a 1st as far as I'm concerned.
It would be ideal if we could just sign him in the summer, but I'm not sure it will get to that point.
One thing to think about: What are the main things star UFAs usually look for when picking a long-term destination.
Big city: Perry already basically plays in LA
Cup contending team: Ducks are looking like that this year
Chemistry with other players: He plays great with Getslaf
Climate: Again, he plays in California

All this to say that, if he was looking for the usual things, he would never leave Anaheim in the first place. So if he's unhappy, maybe Ottawa isn't that far-fetched after all.
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+1 #130 Sandy 2013-02-26 22:01
There are rumours that Perry wants to be near his family.

So that mainly means Ottawa or Toronto. Both teams have connections to him with Carlyle in TO and Murray in OTT.

I think he has former teammates from London playing on both teams as well.

Methot for Ottawa and I don't know who in TO..

But when was the last time a superstar Cdn player wanted to play for a Cdn team... and signed there as a UFA.
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+1 #131 Sandy 2013-02-26 22:12
Crazy night in the NHL.

Buff finally won a game over Tampa.

Jets beat the Rangers
Panthers beating the Pens...
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0 #132 bpa 2013-02-26 22:14
Funny, two weeks ago, we were talking how its a deep draft and we might want to add more 2013 first rounders and trade away our experienced guys. Much prefer this talk.

Given Bishop's week, do you still think he's the goalie to trade? I'd say, not till season is over (but will he be a UFA?) What teams might he go to and for who?

Short term question, will BB start next game in net?
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+1 #133 TheBoss 2013-02-26 22:20
Quoting Sandy:

But when was the last time a superstar Cdn player wanted to play for a Cdn team... and signed there as a UFA.


Exactly lol.

A ton of pressure, and media watching your every move, for a lot less money too. Cup? Not lately... I mean, Canadian teams have come close but the odds are against them considering there are only 7 teams...

But of course, they'd do anything to wear the red and white when it matters most.
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0 #134 myteam65 2013-02-26 22:47
With potential realignment, there's been a lot of talk about wildcards, 20 team playoffs, divisional playoffs, etc...

Does anyone else think it could be a good to institute a 4 game round robin as a preliminary round? Here's how it would go:

- Top 4 teams in each div make the playoffs, plus 4 wildcard teams, with 1 added to each division to create a 5 team pool
- Each team plays the other 4 teams in it's pool (maybe home ice adv by seed)
- Top 4 teams per pool advance to traditional best of 7 playoffs; 1 vs. 4, 2 vs. 3
- Have a divisional final, then reseed for semi finals based on reg season record

Seems to address a lot of different considerations, but would this be too big a change from tradition?

We already see it in the WJC and Olympics. There would certainly be a chance for some unbelievably exciting games if nothing else. Thoughts?
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0 #135 AllStarAlfie 2013-02-26 22:49
The sens just need to play .500 hockey for the rest of the season and we will very likely make the playoffs. I honestly think this is achievable even though I thought we were done when spezza went down. So glad to see this team prove me wrong!! I will always cheer for this team to win and I hope that we stay positive even when we struggle later on.

Also, if karlsson is health mid way through the playoffs, I would not play him and rest him so he is for sure 100% healthy for next season. Doubtful he will be back though
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0 #136 MethotToMyMadness 2013-03-01 09:34
So the Site is reachable now, but it looks like it only goes back as far as the Rumour Mill post. I hope Chirp gets it back up soon.
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