Despite being outshot 38-26, the Senators came away with two points they had to have. It has become the norm but Craig Anderson was outstanding in this one, making a number of big stops and bailing the team out on a night when they suffered far too many defensive lapses.
It really was an extremely quiet opening twenty minutes for both teams.
The Islanders had a slight edge in play (8-7 on the shot clock) but that was mostly the result of some sloppy play by the Senators. Matt Martin had a terrific chance to score the game's opening goal but chipped the puck way over an almost completely vacant net.
The start of the second wasn't much better for Ottawa as they continued to turn pucks over in all parts of the ice. The Isles had a couple good chances in the first five minutes of the period but Craig Anderson was there to bail his team out and keep the game scoreless.
Despite the sloppy start, Ottawa broke the ice in this one, ending an ugly 0/24 stretch on the power play with a rebound goal by Colin Greening. It was obviously a big goal for Greening who spent a game in the press box this past weekend. Greening was a force all night long. Not long after that Greening marker, Andre Benoit ripped a one time point shot past a screened Dipietro to give the Senators a 2-0 lead.
The goal was Andre Benoit's first in the National Hockey League.
Early in the third period, the Islanders got themselves back in the game as Ottawa was again caught running around in their own end in a sequence that ended with Travis Hamonic squeezing one underneath the arm of Anderson. The Sens were able to tighten up the rest of the way and managed to hold off the Islanders the rest of the way. David Dziurzynski notched his first in the NHL with a couple minutes left to put this one to bed.
With Erik Karlsson out of the line up, the Sens need guys to step up and play more minutes than they're used to. With that in mind, you had to like the play of Marc Methot tonight. Obviously a completely different player but he is really giving the Sens quality minutes (24:02 to lead all Sens skaters) and I thought this was one of his best games in a Senators uniform.
Eric Gryba was also impressive, logging 20:18 of ice time and picking up second star honours in the building.
And as is so often the case, I was impressed by the game of Daniel Alfredsson tonight. He had a ton of jump, picked up an assist and logged 19:05 of ice time. Exactly the kind of effort we've come to expect from the Captain.
Ottawa continues the four game home stand on Thursday night when they host the New York Rangers.
And thinking that spezz is expected to be back in playoffs so if sens make it we could just miss karl.(Hopefully nothing else wrong happens to someone else)
Mac is trying to give breaks to some players even when we have half our team gone lol
The fact that we are still in games, and finding ways to win is a testament to the heart and dedication of these guys.
Snow can't stop #SensArmy! Couple of #NHLl first goals tonight, with #Gryba in #beastmode. #stayathomeD. Great effort on backtoback games.
ive also really like gryba's play. not sure why people said he is very slow. to me he seems very mobile for his size and jumps up in the play pretty well.
I fondly remember attending my first playoff game when the chants of "Andy!Andy!" rippled through SBP.
There was honestly no doubt to me he could perform at this level this year
C-GEE, A-BEE and D-DEE!!!! and of course An-DEEEEEEE! E-GEE Gryba was a MONSTER! Penalty Kill is insane this year, and the officiating was pretty bad but what else is new...
Haw Haw, Leafs Lost
Thats all I got
3 division rivals (Habs, Bruins, and Leafs), coupled with slumping Rangers/Flyers, and things could get ugly real fast. Luckily the next 3 games are also home games.
Kick some Rangers ass next. Let's go Sens!!!
The past 3/4 games... atrocious puck handling.
You want ugly? - Phoenix sold out their barn on Sunday, and in Ottawa we had 1000 empty seats.
I'll take the 'thumbs down', but you've gotta think that we should be able to get people to fill $20 seats. And don't try to tell me that they aren't the cheap seats - it was all 300 level seats that were empty.
Show your pride for your team by attending the damn games.
I tried to complain about it but got thumbs down
Is everyone really happy with the way our PP looks and the effort we put in when we pull our goalie when trying to tie it up.
Something needs to change
Cons los terrorita.
Looking forward to the playoffs Peluso.
If we face the Leafs/Habs, the entire series will be road games! Hope it doesn't come to that.
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I got into a little arguement with my buddy while watching the game at the bar. Made us miss the Druid-inski (I will figure out his name eventually) goal. Great goal for him btw..and Benoit as well.
Our arguement was over Gonchar. He was saying how great he is for the Sens right now...and how we are leaning on him for offense in Karlssons absence. I was saying that Gonchar is just too slow and hesitant, always getting beat, and making passes that put the receivers in a dangerous position. I just dont get it...to me he is an obvious liaibility on this team, and I think its hurting us. I know Gonch was a stud in his day, but not anymore.
Anyway..like I said...great win. I still believe in the boys. Like Andy said in an interview a few days ago.."its time to man up."
GSG..
Nite all
YESSSS - Spezza, Karlssson and Michalek have to get healthy
He has been very impressive, great shutdown guy that can skate and show great patience with the puck, beautiful vision to get thepuck out for the rush on that 3rd goal. Plus he brings a much needed jam on the backend. I think our defense would be great in the next years coming with bodies healthy and players developing.
Next year
Methot- Karlsson
Cowen- Weircioch
Philips- Gryba
The year after
Cowen- Karlsson
Methot- Weircioch
Gryba- Ceci
Boro
Vikstrand
Cleasson
Blood etc
We were drinking tea in this cabaret
and waiting for the cheque
but then Peluso came in
and we switched to gin
when he gave up proper Heck
Right On, Man.
So why was he the FOURTH D-Man called up from Binghamton ?
He seems to already be ahead of the NHL versions of the other 3.
But I'll gladly take the 2 points and move on.
he even leads AHL in +/- with a +28.
Although its only been a small sample of his ability in the NHL but to me he is NHL caliber and has earned his spot on that blue line.
I'll take the 'thumbs down', but you've gotta think that we should be able to get people to fill $20 seats. And don't try to tell me that they aren't the cheap seats - it was all 300 level seats that were empty.
Show your pride for your team by attending the damn games.
HEY I agree but put the barn in my back yard not Kanata
Everyone knows the parking lot kills the buzz.
WE all want to support the team. Just because we're a govt town doesn't mean we don't support our team...Put the team in Lebreton and we aren't having support issues anymore...
1. There was a suspicious package on Bayview and buses were very late. I'm done downtown at 4:30, didn't get home until 7:15.
2. There was a snow storm.
It took an hour and forty five minutes (bus) to get to the Bank from downtown tonight.
Politics of hockey..kid had to EARN his way in
HEY I agree but put the barn in my back yard not Kanata
Everyone knows the parking lot kills the buzz.
WE all want to support the team. Just because we're a govt town doesn't mean we don't support our team...Put the team in Lebreton and we aren't having support issues anymore...
That's a tired and lame excuse. I'm embarrassed to even be having this dialogue with you.
No arena in Kanata = Hamilton Senators in 1992.
seriously though...the guys looked like they were having fun last night. That is what they need...big smiles on the young guns scoring their first NHL goals.
And yeah...hearing people from ottawa whine about how far the barn is...when I drive four and a half hours to get there.....sigh....
Good stuff (now go buy andy a beer).
The Sens in Kanata is equivalent to the Habs in Laval, yeah it's in the city, yeah there is transportation but it would be much harder for people to attend the games.
Funny that they are the only one really taking about it. Can't see Sens moving Alfie or Alfie wanting to move.
I can't wait to go to the game on Thursday. Should be a good time and also I hate the Rangers...
Sure you would have a little more potential for walkups or transit...but I suspect it would be negligible.
i still have my fingers crossed that zibanejad turns out similar to hossa.
Leafes, Pens, Rangers, Sharkes, 'nucks....my top 5 hated teams.
Very odd I think...since only the leafes are a division rival. doesn't mean I like the others...it's just that i don't want to punch the screen that i'm seeing them on.
"That's a tired and lame excuse. I'm embarrassed to even be having this dialogue with you.
No arena in Kanata = Hamilton Senators in 1992."
Get over it.
In order,
Habs
Leafs
Penguins
Rangers
Canucks
Calgary
I just hate each one of those organizations!
Tookie is right in stating the above.
We can count ourselves very lucky and fortunate, that we had visionaries like Bruce Firestone and our Mayor who got an NHL Franchise back in 1991!!
Not sure I understand why your so angry, I mean we were just under 19000 on a Snow Storm day vs the brutal Islanders in KANATA!!!
Thats pretty damn good.
I'm pretty sure we could have gotten a team at some later point but they were desperate in getting one for 1992.
I mean wait a awhile and build it downtown, develop a great plan for it.
1) nice to see Dizzy score, watching him have success in the AHL during the lockout and now being able to see his game fit into PMs system was nice
2) Gryba, I love his play without the puck. with the puck, he could be a liability. still a little rough around the edges
3) Turris, his play in the neutral zone is unreal. it goes unnoticed by most, but not me.
4) zibby, had a better game
5) anderson, a one for one trade for ovechkin is the only way I would ever move this guy.
6) Patrick Wiercioch should be pencilled in to the top 4 at the start of the 13/14 season
7) Alfredsson doesn't look like a guy close to retirement
And you really think that was an option...show me one example of this city developing a great plan
Be happy we have an arena and a great team to cheer for.
Leafs, Leafs, Leafs, Leafs, Pitts
Anderson for Elliot
Best trade in the Senators history? or par with the Yashin one?
Thats what I'm saying, this City is atrocious for its planning. But maybe someone would have stepped up and built it downtown instead of rushing it in Kanata.
Oh well in a about 10 years were going to need a new arena to hang all of the Cup banners. This time hopefully they get it right and build downtown.
Not sure I would use the word visionary to describe Firestone. Used car salesman may be a better term. If you remember correctly the Firestone group said yes to all of the NHL demands. They basically got a team with absolutely no money. If I'm not mistaken they never paid the $50 million expansion fee. Actually the only owner with money is Melnyk. Rod Bryden was another "no money" owner. Thankfully Melnyk stepped up when he did or else the Sens would not have survived.
That being said, when I am not going to the Justin Beiber concert etc I would LOVE to avoid the traffic
Both were excellent trades, as we still have 2 great players, in Anderson and Spezza!!
you will have that answer in a couple of seasons. Elliot had a super star season for the blues last year.
Anderson is showing clear signs of consistency since last playoffs.
I would call it a tie for now and even include the Turris trade up there.
altho yashin for spezz, chara, muckalt still looks way to good to have ever happened.
A downtown arena is not going to happen in our lifetime.
there was a lockout. attendance will be shit everywhere, Ottawa is not immune
Every "sell out" we've had this season comes with the asterix of *10 thousand FREE tickets given out
I can't believe anybody would be having an issue with the attendance after a 5 and half month lockout
HA
Anderson is just....disgust ing right now (and for most of last year). Blues play a system that would make most goalies look good....ottawa on the other hand (with all the rookies) is a goalie's nightmare on many nights, anderson just eats that shit up for breakfast thought.
HEY I agree but put the barn in my back yard not Kanata
Everyone knows the parking lot kills the buzz.
WE all want to support the team. Just because we're a govt town doesn't mean we don't support our team...Put the team in Lebreton and we aren't having support issues anymore...
I have season tickets and I drive from Kingston for every game. That's a 2hr drive in both directions.
other than pens and maybe caps. rest include snoozers such as islanders, hurricanes, panthers
with upcoming home games vs the leafs, habs, bruins, attendance *should* bump up slightly.
I have season tickets and I drive from Kingston for every game. That's a 2hr drive in both directions.
2 hrs....are you 85? LOL
Awesome that you do the drive!
I have season tickets and I drive from Kingston for every game. That's a 2hr drive in both directions.
That's quite the commitment. Do you roll a 9-5?
I'm in the military and I work 730-4. I usually leave at 5 and get to the arena by 7. It takes 2hrs because the OPP are always out on hwy 15 so you can't really speed too much.
I just think people should stop complaining because they have to drive 20min to get to the game lol.
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Although the # of shots Andy is facing is high...I almost prefer to get out shot in games because I feel he plays at his best when he is getting hammered with shots...that being said, it would be nice to cut down the turnovers and give him a break...love the fight in the boys right now. Looking at their record...if the Sens can continue to dominate at home and keep picking up points here and there on the road...they will be ok.
20 mins would be a pleasure.
An average OC transpo game time commute runs about two hours and fifteen minutes to and from.
A dedicated and well managed bus/parking lot ramp would cut that by about thirty five - forty minutes.
he has played 11 games this season - does that mean a year burnt on his ELC?
He had already burnt his ELC in Bingo.
But yes, I agree that he should shoot more. I think his development is okay though. Playing for MacLean in a situation where we're letting the young guys play is different than some teams putting a teenager in their top 6 and expecting him to produce.
Elliott would have thrived under Jacques Martin - very similar to the Blues model.
Anderson does face a lot of shots but he gets to see most of them (recent games not the case of course). When the "real team" is playing (next year I guess) Anderson will still see 30+ shots on most nights but few will be second chances or screened shots. That's the point of MacLean's system in our zone - force the shots to the outside and trust your goalie to give very few rebounds. A perfect match for Anderson.
looking at his season stats. he has missed 15 shots in 11 games. (6th most missed shots on team). 3rd most in missed shots per game behind milo and karlsson
however on a positive note, the most impressive stat about zib is he has a team best 1 give away in all his games. and 6 takeaways, good for 4th behind karl turris alfie in takeaways per game.
zib also 7th on team in hits per game.
Anyone who hasn't realized yet that Alfie isn't going anywhere really has not been paying attention to how he and management have been since day freaking one.
Alfie doesn't see glory in winning a cup as some spare part for another org - he'd much rather finish his career with the team he loves than roll the dice on that.
I know people will mistake this for a lack of passion or drive to win a cup but they're people that just don't get Alfie. Some people put more value in loyalty to a team - it's really that simple.
I'm sure he's frustrated that this season has gone the way it has so far - with everyone healthy we'd be contenders - but he's not looking at any greener grass over any fence.
I also think Alfie looks as good as just about anyone on the ice. He had one shift last night(right around one of the alfie chants) that was unbelievable!
A deal for him seems like a deal just for the sake of making a deal.
I'm just wondering where he slots in next year though. Or do you grab him and worry about that later? I don't think either Turris or ROR belong on the third line. Maybe try Turris with Spezza again?
yea his game in every other aspect including defensively has been complaint free. he needs to be selfish and just shoot. when he first came up he was shooting alot.
But he IS shooting - he's just missing the net too much. Which MacLean has already said isn't something he worries much about. I agree he's passed up a few chances recently but hopefully that doesn't continue.
There is no way him or Murray will even discuss it unless we are far down the playoff ladder as the deadline looms.
When this came up a couple of years ago Alfie did say he would do what was best for the team...so it's not out of the question.
But again: There is just no way this gets off the ground unless we string together a lot of regulation losses between now and the deadline.
Not the best game, but Andy "The Mandy" kept us in it.
Wanted to throw in a shout out to The Senate Pub. Decided to take in the game there last night, and was not disappointed! Food was awesome, and the sens horn after every goal was top shelf.
5 Dolla Pints of Canadian/Coors, can't beat that!!
Let's get on a roll boys!!!
Go Sens Go!!!!
Not to be an ass but thats totally wrong, not his stats but his rank on the team, he's tied for 6th with Neil, Greening & Milo with 6 TkA. So he's actually 9th on the team in TkA.
Also Karlsson had 16 GvA to 17 TkA and Alfie has 12 GvA to 10 TkA...
Turris is the only consistent player in that category with only 6 GvA to 13 TkA!!
The worst is def Gonchar with a whopping 12 GvA to only 4 TkA!! Ouch.
the gonch is only doing his job lol dont be harsh on him
btw they better not pull that defensive effort against the rangers or it will be uggglyyyy.
any updates coming today on Regin/Michalek?
Well not shooting that much, he only has 22 shots + 15 missed shots.
Compared to similar others (Condra, Smith, Phillips, Gonchar) with 30+ shots
Boy, your bar is pretty high man. He's played in 6 fewer games than those guys!
Fair enough but wouldnt yours be for a 6th pick overall?
I was there yesterday were you one of the two young guys that were by the bar?
True - if Murray came to Alfie and asked him to allow a trade for the benefit of the team he'd likely do it - that's just how loyal he is. (He's not Sundin)
BUT - Murray would NEVER ask him. We're fine for picks/prospects and moving Alfie for more is not the same as moving Fisher or Kelly.
For a playoff run I think I could stomach it(as long as it wasn't to Vancouver), and likely even cheer for whatever team he ended up going to.
I would be absolutely shocked though if this move ever occurs though.
Hers a quick list.
Conacher 5g 9a 14pts
Tarasenko 6g 6a 12pts
Galchenyuk 2g 8a 10pts
Huberdeau 6g 3a 9pts
Yakupov 5g 4a 9pts
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Silfverberg 2g 3a 5pts
I'm not worried per se but you cant deny that he hasnt been the impact player most thought he would be, wether that comes later or not, its not here now and very rare signs of it.
Well I certainly wish he was doing better than he is.
But on the 6th overall pick thing... I'm pretty sure I posted a list of the last 10 6th picks before him up here last week when you made the same point. Go back and have a look and I don't think you will be quite as unhappy with Zibanejad thus far.
Exactly!!! Welll except for the part where you state he's not the impact player we thought he would be
I don't think anyone here has said he would be an impact player in his rookie year
Hell most people have him pegged as a 2LC/3LC type player in his prime (just like coutourier)
i think silfverberg has yet to get the right linemates. his top talent is sniping along with being a good skater and good defensively. He cant be the guy mucking on the boards. he has a wicked shot and he needs to be open to use it. that however has rarely happened, except agaisnt carey price lol
Bingo.
He's got all those skills and that crazy wrist shot but he always seems to let it go from bad angles or WAY out. Hope I'm wrong.
BTW: here are those 6th overall picks again, just so we can have some perspective on Zibanejad. Go back and look at their rookie stats:
2000 - Scott Hartnell
2001 - Miko Koivu
2002 - Scotty Upshall
2003 - Milan Michalek
2004 - Al Montoya
2005 - Gilbert Brule
2006 - Derick Brassard
2007 - Sam Gagner
2008 - Nikita Filatov
2009 - Oliver Ekman-Larsson
2010 - Brett Connoly
2011 - Mika Zibanejad
2012 - Hampus Linholm
he doesnt need to be an impact player in the true sense - thats not needed in Maclean's system.
I don't think we need to worry. It took him a while to get going in Bingo and I think he'll be fine soon. He's not soft either. I've seen enough of him from the SEL and he's capable of fighting through bodies when he needs to.
Picture him on Spezza's wing with Michalek on the boards - that's where I see him ending up.
Well in the last 6 years the only bad pick in the 6th slot would be Filatov, and thats cuz CBJ totally scerwed him up.
But Lindholm AHL, Connolly AHL, Ekman-Larsson NHL and Sam Gagner NHL are pretty good players.
As will be Zib if you give him a fucking chance
OEL and Gagner dind't bust into the NHL immediately, and I would say Zib has already been better than Connoly
Tookie starts out being a realist and "show me" guy but then gets his back against optimistic fans and goes further to the negative side.
Point is, Zibanejad hasn't done anything yet but he certainly looks capable of panning out to be a great 6th overall pick.
Some have it right but most want him on the top line with Spezza. Dont know if that is just homerism speaking but its ridiculous.
Now with injuries he's getting a shot to play more minutes and contribute but I havent seen that yet. And by contributing I mean GOALS.
Somebody will need to be, imagine our team without Spezza and Alfie, yikes I know...We need impact players on that top line. If it aint Zib or Silf then who the hell will it be?
Bluesfest has no parking, only reason it works is because it's during the summer when people don't mind walking/busing
Ottawa cannot accomodate a winter team that will attract 20,000+ without the proper way to get people out. Basically with no Subway, there was zero chance it was being built downtown.. and BTW Lebreton isn't downtown either, most people living east of Bay Street would still drive...
Noesen perhaps?
1.he completely lost a year of development playing for that awful team in the swedish elite last year.
2.He has had flashes of brilliance this year(imagine if he had batted that one into the net last night)
3.if this kid was playing with spezza, karlsson, cowen and michalek and a full roster he wouldnt have all the pressure on his back of developing quicker.
Never said he couldnt, my argument was NOW, in 11 games, he hasnt shown much of anything. And you just confirmed it.
Good point, I love that guy!
He's like the NA version of Landeskog.
He had a great cross ice pass in the first period that was to hard for Silvferberg's stick. He's got game! It's really hard for a team to not play with confidence when Andy is back there.
Wouldn't we all agree that it's a little early to be calling Zbad a bad pick at 6. Yes there are some very good players that have been "recent" 6th overall picks - but it's rare that they hit it out of the park immediately.
Taking only the forwards, Gagner had a great rookie season (50 pts), Michalek got 35, the others all got less than 30. Koivu didn't even play in the NHL until 4 years after he was drafted.
Based on the figures, if Zbad gets 15-20 points in this season, he'll be smack bang in the middle of the achievement scale previously seen for first year performance of 6th overall pick players.
Do I think he'll get those points, probably not but the time to judge this pick isn't now.
Looking for depth and pick...
What would be your max offer, they def need some help at d
Bishop/Borocop/puempel
We should never evaluate a player until he played 3 full seasons in the NHL. Zibby and Silfver will become fans favorite in the coming years.
Silfverberg needs to get stronger on skate and I am sure the Sens training staff will work with him this summer.
Not arguing with you at all. Stat-sheet wise he hasn't done much. But I think watching him play he's shown signs that he's capable of being top 6. Not top line IMO (unless the other winger is Perry or something) but he's got upside in line with being a top 6 pick.
With our injuries this year I say hell no on J-Bo. If we were 100% healthy I'd be willing to try and get him for "a cup run" but not this year.
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Tookie: It's not going to rain today.
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Tookie: I meant in Japan
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I agree with you on this.
yea i think thats the cause of his little funk. unsure about his offensive role - natural centre vs implemented winger lol
This is my only concern with Zibanejad (and it's a small concern since I trust MacLean). I don't want him to end up like Foligno where the message changed too much and he never got a chance to settle in to one role.
I'd be tempted to (with Spezza out) stick him as 3C with Condra and Neil and leave him be the rest of the year.
I would love Jay-Bo but he is definitely overpaid for what he brings to a team. His contract isn't one Murray would touch, especially considering the budget Melnyk has imposed on him.
LMAO he's not in a funk, he never got started...
The only way to gauge his performance is to compare with others. And right now he is underperforming.
Cant that be fixed, absolutely, can he? who knows? but he's getting the chance of a lifetime now with our best players injured.
I guess what I'm truely trying to say is he is not top end talent like Yak or Gal or Conacher etc...
The guy is all over the ice, he's finishing his checks, what else do people expect? Personally I think he's fitting in nice. The points will come but not before he learns to be a responsible hockey player. So because he doesn't come in and score a point a game he's a miss? Some people's expectations are a little ridiculous of this team; even before the season started.
turris,smith,dacosta,o'brien,zbad and if regin comes back then 6 centremen.
I personally think that Maclean should cut to the chase and sit down Daugavins and then play O'Brien on centre and let Zibanejad just play wing on any line.
JQ said he seemed like he should be okay but was going to wait for the doctors to confirm. So hopefully not serious.
Canucks are dirty buggers.
PUSSY
Jay-Bo has one year left at 6.6 million. If Gonchar does not return and let's say the depth player is Greening and a 2nd rounder, it adds up pretty much to the same amount. Don't think it would be a bad move. He's 29, is an exceptional skater and with only one year left will be playing for a contract.
Rick Nash not making trip to Ottawa tomorrow
Good for us in terms of defensive responsibilities
Bad for those who had hoped to give him the shower of boos for turning down the opportunity to play here
I haven't seen him play - does he really remind you of Landeskog? If so, that's promising, because that is exactly what this team needs, in my opinion...
ok tookie, thats where you completely lost traction and are still on some odd tangent. Have you seen Conacher's linemates. and Zbad is not even getting the icetime that Gal or Yak get - not to mention consistent linemates and clear roles on healthy teams. you miss the big picture. and he did perform the first games back - remember the Mtl game?
Quoting pugnacious.serf:
i think we are saying the same thing.
Its nice to show effort but at the end of the day, all that maters is goals.
I see Mika being very similar to Fisher, and we all know the fate of #12. Effort and heart was there but in the end its not enough. (especially when big contracts are involved)
Not that I necessarily agree Mika is the next Fisher, but Fisher would have been a very different player had we had Spezza and Turris when he broke in. Fisher was never a second line center but we tried to make him one. Of course we also tried to make Bonk a first line center.
And who are you to put words in peoples mouthes? who on here expected zibby to be top line elite talent (especially right out of the gate???)
You're just in a shitty mood 'cause we won last night. as per usual. zbad is a 19 year old rookie who is feeling premature pressure to produce due to the whole damn team being injured and us basically playing the bSens team as our NHL team. He's looking fine....and looking a lot like fisher...you're right...just like a lot of us figured he'd be (hoping that he becomes a better finisher in time).
sheeesh....
And do you even wonder why that is so? Why the coach doesnt give him more ice time or consistant linemates on a severley injured team.
You just answered your own question. I'll let you stew on that.
Oh and btw Gal, Yak and Conacher play about 12/15 min a game, Zib plays 12. they all have around 18/20 shifts a game.
Again, u want more facts?
So what are you saying then, you agree with me that he isnt top 6 talent and probably be a 3rd line player a la Fisher.
You know as well as I do and I cant quote from a year ago but Zbad was highly regarded on this site, top 6 player, especially after scoring the golden goal and all that!
Anyways I'm done on Zib, no point in dragging this, we agree he's a bottom 6.
Last week you stated that he's not playing as well as he should be, given that he's a 6th pick. I responded (as did others) that the players picked before and after him have both been sent back to junior. Strome and Scheifele? These are the guys you should be comparing him to, no?
So is the Ottawa brass if they were serious when they said they wanted to groom him to be winger instead of a center (since we already have a top 1c and 2c in spezza and turris). They want to push him to the wing and see if he has the potential be top 6 and not 3c.
I fail to see what you are implying...that we should be dissapointed in a small sample of a 19 year old...yeah...ha sn't found the back of the net too often yet...in what...less than a dozen game. my kid didn't talk much at 1 1/2 years old...but i saw potential...now she's smart and never shuts up...good thing i decided to not throw her under a bus.
he has very little talent to play with at the moment (since everyone is injured), he is put in a high pressure situation as a kid, prob holding his stick pretty tight right now...
Here are some facts:
*Conacher has been playing pro hockey since 2010 in AHL/ECHL.
*Yakupov has played in the OHL for a few seasons
*Galchenyuk also played in the OHL for a few seasons.
What does that mean, they all played on North American ice and have a better understanding of the NHL game.
Give Zibanejad a chance.
hahaha,
No, but I saw those beauties. I was sitting near them. I was getting so into it, I almost started an "Andy" chant.
Forgot I wasn't at the game.
I'll be frequenting that establishment on game nights for sure!
Go Sens!!
If they were rookies in the NHL I would but they are not. Were talking 2012-13 NHL rookies.
Welcome to the Tookie and Hax show - bickering like an old married couple
You two need to start your own blog
i will start with the facts:
last night he had 9:14 mins of TOI. avg. toi is 12 mins. Yakupov and Conacher are both above 14 and 15 mins respectively. thats from NHL not from me. so how about you stew on that. further, conacher is an undrafted guy who is 4 years older playing on a line with Lecavalier.
now i did not answer my own question, because i didnt ask one. the reason he doesnt have consistent linemates or more icetime: injuries on roster combined with the original plan for him : to keep him in Bingo this year due to missed development thanks to multiple concussions and therefore a bad start in bingo.
and no dont stew on it, because if you do it will only result in more of your verbal diarrhea.
I understand the excuses you make for him and agree with the 3C part, IMO he wont be a legit top 6 and with the rest of the guys we have coming (prospects/draf t) and possible UFA signings we make in the off season.
Zibby right now shows that he has the size and the speed for NHL. Let's wait to see if how he will develop with time.
I am sure he is with the right organization to help him become a solid NHL top 6 forward.
Dude you can drop the excuses, we all agree he is a bottom 6 player. Move on.
This ^^^
Well I do it for you Snoopy cuz IF I dont answer ALL of my fans you get upset and post stuff like "TOOKIE HAS LEFT" "TOOKIE DOESNT RESPOND TO REBUTTALS"
Whats wrong with him, LOL!!!
Is he a legit top 6?
more verbal diarrhea from Tookie.....
nobody is making an excuse for him, you are - your excuse for dumping on him is his lack of goal scoring. according to you, sens should dump on zibanejad and move on to puempel and noesen who were picked below him. if it was upto you, you'd want the sens to trade karlsson if he had a slump of any sort.
and i didnt notice anyone agreeing with you he is bottom 6. did BM agree with you he is bottom 6? any of the other 29 GMs?
Classic Rebuttal Tookie !!
He wont make it due to an undisclosed injury? Oh, you mean the injury to his big pussy?
Hahahaha...far too convenient that this is the game he decides to skip
The Ilses are top ten in the league in goals for and second last in goals against. So saying scoring goalsis most important makes you very wrong. And I don't see any resemblance of MZ/MF other than a few hits and work ethic, MZ has great hands and vision, M/F was fast and worked hard but had not touch or finish. His mind could never catch up with his body.
Using your logic, Brendan Shanahan was a bust at 19 because he was drafted #2 overall and only scored 7 goals his first NHL season. Please feel free to apply for any job within the Toronto Maple Leafs or New York Islanders management staff.
Kinda were my mind was at, he has 1 year left after this year, and get another strong tandem to go with Methot/Karlson for next year. then you are 1 top 6 away from being a top contender
He wont make it due to an undisclosed injury? Oh, you mean the injury to his big pussy?
Go like my comment lmao!
http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/20/nash-wont-travel-with-rangers-to-ottawa/comment-page-1/#comment-140432
Pretty good company I must say. If the trend continues, Z-Bad will be an all-star just like all of the other whipping boys.
Remember I said ignorant fans.
I believe he got hurt making that ridiculous pass to Hagelin the other night, he got hammered!!
Anyways, The Rangers probably wont be slouches without him, they got smacked by Montreal, you can bet they want to avoid another loss on the road.
Over reacting much?
When were Phillips and Bonk All-Stars?
Anyone got a youtube clip of that hit?
As you would expect the Boston one is the better read.
Fair enough and I dont disagree with you. Thats what fans do, its nothing new. Some players deserve it and some dont.
What did Lebrun say?
"One team that I believe will show serious interest in Alfredsson, if and when the time is right, is the powerhouse Boston Bruins. With the trade of Tim Thomas’ contract, the B’s have lots of cap room to add pieces before the April 3 trade deadline."
...
"Know this: I don’t believe Senators GM Bryan Murray has any desire whatsoever to move Alfredsson, even if his team is out of it by April 3. There’s too much respect for what Alfredsson has done for that franchise to even care about what he could bring back asset-wise. Having said that, you can bet that if -- sorry, make that when -- contenders come calling with offers, Murray would likely at least make Alfredsson aware of them and basically let him decide. As it should be, this will be Alfredsson’s call."
Ok so maybe not a big hit, it looked like he got hipchecked but not at all, he does fall awkwardly enough tho.
Its the Hagelin goal, its all I could find.
http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?hlg=20122013,2,179&lang=en
Fair enough, I dont expect Alfie to bring back much in terms of assets, its mostly if he wants a shot at the Cup this year before retiring (if he does).
Agreed. And as I said earlier today, I just don't think Alfie would put a shot at a cup above being a lifetime Senator. Even if some team made a huge offer I doubt Murray would try to talk Alfie into leaving.
There will be those that slam that as lacking desire to win and all that crap, but I see it more as a loyalty thing. If he does decide to move on good luck to him but I won't be cheering for him if he's in another uniform.
The only way I want to see Alfie win a cup is if he's lifting it as a senator. I couldn't give a shit if he wins it as a Bruin or a Shark or anything else.
Radek Bonk, Team World, 1999-2000 All-star game, Toronto; 2000-2001 All-star game, Denver.
I agree it will never happen, but as much as laff fans will use it to rip on us forever, IF Alfie ever did go somewhere to win a cup I would be nearly as happy as if the Sens won one.
Again, it will never happen, but if there's any player I'd want to win a cup with another team (if he can't with us) it's Alfie.
its the last year on his contract and if he wants to play another year he can play in ottawa next year.
wouldnt mind him lifting a cup with st louis or chicago.
But if Murray this of season would sign Correy Perry and Mark Streit, we would have a Killer line-up
Michalek-Spezza-Perry
Silverberg-Turris-Alfie(or Stone)
Greening- ZBad- Neil
Obrien-Smith-Condra
If Alfie retire Stone will take his spot.
Karlsson - Methot
Streit - Cowen
Phillips - (Benoit-Weircioch-Gryba)
Anderson
Bishop-Lehner
It's nice to dream a little bit!
http://bit.ly/YuhXUD
now, BM asking him for it? i dont think BM is that kind of person. otherwise he would have traded both Luke Richardson and Jason Smith well before letting them retire in sens jerseys.
the suggestion is actually pretty insulting to the sens organization and its players considering we have the best goalie and are sitting in 7th spot currently.
Many of the rebounds Andy throws wide are quickly taken, those rebounds are not by accident. This is a system the Sens created for a quick exit out of the zone. Somewhat like Brodeur, to a degree. It worked much better with EK in the lineup as we are struggling a little now. But in the end, the same system is working. If teams for-check strong at both ends, there are going to be times when it backfires. I say keep riding it while it's working, don't change the system.
IE: Landeskog!
Maybe so Tookie... but most of those rookies you mentioned are surrounded by vets in the lineup and are probably more comfortable playing.
Right now for the Sens 7 of the 19 players during last night's game are in their 1st year in the NHL and 3 of those 7 have played a grand total of 3 NHL games each. I would believe most of those 7 players are a little overwhelmed and nervous when playing -- including Zibby.
Now I think most of the Sens players should shoot more.
Sometimes I believe they go for the perfect shot and decide to pass it off if they think it is better.
But just my opinion.
I guess the Toronto boards must have kicked him off again so here he is entertaining us with his "positive" wisdom.
You're crapping on Zibby already? The 19 year old has played how many games at the NHL level? Give the kid a break. He hasn't been a bright star but hasn't been bad either. He's played pretty decent, and shown that he is growing...just like the rest of the young prospects we have up right now.
Do you actually see anything positive in this team or is this your schtick? Anything to get someone to talk to you?
As for Zibby and the other young players.. I'm willing to give them time to properly develope. They are young INEXPERIENCED players (especially Gryba, Grant & Dizzy who have played 3 NHL games each). Young players make mistakes. It's the responsibility of the coaches to help the young players learn from those mistakes...
These young guys are getting a baptism by fire this season with all the key long-term injuries the Sens have.
Not too surprised by the Ruff firing.. but he only works with the players he has. Regier should take some of this blame with some of those contracts he handed out last season.
Ruff will find a new job pretty quickly. I'm sure some of these underperforming teams could be looking for a change.
he doesnt have a schtick, he just has constant verbal diarrhea.
Can we put a diaper on his head? Or at least pray for verbal constipation then?
Suffice to say that Sdao, Aneloski & Costello should be leaving the NCAA this season?
My take on the location of SBP is it's okay be me.. since I'm about 20 min away via the 'back roads'.
But it is a long haul for those fans in the far east end. But with the widening of the 417 by SBP and the direct access from a parking lot to the 417 it may be easier in the future.
As for Lebreton flats.. without a subway that would be a nightmare. Most of the streets from there are 1 lane each way and it's a long way from the 417. Can you imagine the large # of fans trying to get onto OC buses after a game?
Only look at the issues yesterday afternoon with the closing of Scott St. Traffic was backed up for hours. Imagine any type of traffic accident leaving a game -- and add snow to that.. it would take a long time to leave LeBreton to get either east or west.
Somewhere - Ted Nolan is smiling.
Does anybody that talks that much really have anything to say ?
yes, that would be salvation for this forum. im all for Chirp incoporating a head-diaper or mouth-diaper button, just for Tookie.
honestly, its pretty frustrating when one person keeps using stats to make the most negative conclusions about a team which is suffering from serious injuries yet still is in 7th place, is 8th in the league in wins (playoffs?), is tops in the league in GA, is 7th in 5-on-5 GF/A, has the 2nd best PK% at a crazy 90.8%, has a goalie who leads in the two main stats: GAA and SV% and is 2nd in wins and shutouts.
our injuries have hurt us the most in scoring, and why not when you lose the main offensive guys in Spezz,MM9 and Karlsson - thats your PP1 btw. but hey, we can still defend like the best of them and we will score by committee.
tookie only farts-verbal diarrhea personified.
Always seems to be most active on the days I'm away from the computer!
Haha - hence the theory that you pose at Tookie to stir things up.
j/k
I really don't get too upset by Tookie anymore. He's just not one to sugar-coat things or "agree to disagree" with other people. I don't think he sets out to annoy people but he certainly takes the bait if someone wants to argue a point with him.
Ignore button would allow the few people that take him too seriously to simply ignore him.
There's a lot of speculation out there as to what the asking price may be but no one knows for sure.
Also, I imagine it would be tough for Murray to make a deal work given the budget he's operating under and the rumoured dollar figure that O'Reilly is seeking..
When are Michalek , Regin etc coming back
I guess we don't know for sure yet. But it seems like Michalek might be donezo for the season pretty much. His knee again.
The Sens aren't giving out accurate injury updates this year.
Turris, Silfverberg and Zjbad all need to get alot better at getting the puck out of OUR blueline...
They're also having trouble getting into the opposing zone with the puck.. i hope everyone's ready for a dump and chase kind of hockey because that's really all we have in store for the rest of the season.
(shaking my head)
It's all Tookie's fault !
He has been critical of both players all
day long !!
Pretty sure most people here are talking about low attendance in general... What's the attendance when Leafs/Habs are in town (sens fans wise) like 1000? Yeah, attendance is getting better, but it's not where it could be.
A part of that is also due to the organization still being young. Honestly, once the wins start piling up, and the fans have something to cheer for (stars, awards, playoffs) things will be better.
Just take a look at the Caps and Penguins. Few years ago those arenas were pretty damn empty until Ovi/Sid came along.
As soon as possible replace:
Daugavins with Dzuizynski
Condra with Stone
Regin with Grant
Benoit with Gryba
Deadline Trades: Gonchar, Fatendresse & Lundin & any of the replacables
Which mean that chirp as a split personality and that tookie and senschirp are in fact the same person.
Ok maybe I have watch fight club to many time and I Have too much free time with the sens having a day off and chirp not posting a fresh post tonight
Yes replace one of our most consistent forwards with the unproven Stone. Good call
no tookie im not wrong, i said he is 4th in takeaways per game. not overall, he has played less games then the ones you've named
condra will be a senator for many, many years to come.
benoit has earned his spot as much as gryba has.
all those deadline names are UFA's at end of season. Other than gonchar, cant see any playoff contender interested in the rest.
Its easy to criticise when you cant do anything about it.
At first glance no, we dont have any top end talent in our farm. Top end meaning a Landeskog, Yak or Gal or Nuge or a Hall or Seguin..
The one I'm most anticipating is Noesen, he's the closest to Landeskog and thats the type of winger we need.
Silfverberg is there now and we can see already what he can do, he obviously needs to develop more to be a real threat but I agree with Spezza out it sure doesnt help.
Z-Bad for me is 3C/W, he's a younger updated version of Mike Fisher, his game is being physical and using his speed.
Go Sens Go!!
Your right my bad, didnt see the "per game" there, all that research for nothing! LOL
thanks for reminding us we havent had a top 3 overall pick..
Atleast i do agree with you on noesen, however you seem to have a crush on him similar to pierre Mcguire on crosby.
Anyone want 2 tickets to tonights game? section 316, print at home. Can't attend the game tonight and would rather give them out.
sure! haha
Greening-Da Costa-Condra
Dziurzynski-Smith-Neil
Daugavins-Grant-Zibanejad
that must be the weakest 2nd line in the nhl on paper.
Yeah its a bit freaky, I had the same for Yak and Gal and look at them go!
This is what I hope our future (2016-17 and beyond) contending line up looks like. Names not included are either traded, retired or signed elsewhere...
Silfverberg Spezza"C" Perry
O'Reilly Turris Noesen
Puempel Zib/Hoffman Stone
Schneider JOB Condra
Grant Pageau
Methot Karlsson"A"
Cowen"A" Ceci
Wiercioch Gryba
Benoit
Lehner
Driedger
never noticed we didn't have PMs on this site...
send me an email i guess mphil084
not too bad although i have a hard time seeing neil wear any other sweater. and if we lost smith it better have been part of the package to get o'reilly. although i dont know much on him, im still not sold on how hyped he is.
as for D, im a fan of claesson's work and waiting on how much better wikstrand developes hope to see him in bingo within 2 seasons.
Mine is pretty similar except I think Silfverberg might get the A instead of Cowen. And of course not sure about the new guys there - might end up with Daugavins and Smith still in the mix instead of a couple of them.
You at the morning skate?
I'm assuming its not at SBP as BON JOVI rocked it last night.
I would love to know how long it takes them to put back all the boards and glass after a concert. Do they work all night to get it rdy for morning skates?
That would be crazy!
Not any more. And yeah they pretty much tear down right after the show until their done (with a game the next day). You should check some of the time-lapse video of MSG.
Silfverberg"A" Spezza"C" Stone
Greening Turris Noesen
Puempel Zibanejad Neil
Smith JOB Condra
Grant/Pageau
Methot Karlsson"A"
Cowen"A" Ceci
Wiercioch Gryba
Benoit/Borowiecki
Lehner
Driedger
Depending on how far ahead you're thinking, maybe Neil is retired but 2-3 years from now I bet he's still a Senator.
Email me tcharger
Hax, thats a pretty decent worst case. Stone is a dark horse for me, we know he can score, he has that shoot first mentality but its the rest of the packages that worries me. But hey, if Heatley and Cheechoo can do it for years to some extent, so can Stone...
I have no problem with Greening eating space in the top 6, he might not be counted on to score but would give space to Turris and Noesen.
Put them on StubHub and at least get something for them!
I think best case scenario is that Greening elevates his game a bit goes on a hot streak and we can use him in a trade ASAP
I said it last year, that Greening is the perfect trade piece. He is "NHL ready" has potential and can play on all lines.
Why do I trade him? He's 26 already, and we have more guys that are younger that can do the trick, so why not try and get a Ryane Clowe type player for him and another asset?
Where's the GAMEDAY post!
SNOOPY??
Most of those are okay moves.. except for Condra.. I wouldn't get rid of him... You do need good smart defensive players on a team... and he is one of those.
Those young players you mentioned Tookie are all top 3 draft picks.. are they not? When last did the Sens pick in the top 3 of the draft?
Would rather send a Senschirper than make a few bucks. Need my Karma for selling inflated tickets to crazy canadian/leafs fans.
Enjoy Alcatraz
That wasnt the question I was asked. I was asked I thought we had top 6 talent in our farm.