Thursday, 14 February 2013 12:48

Karlsson Out 3-4 Months

For the second time in less than 15 games, Bryan Murray had to speak to the media about an injury to one of the team’s star players.

In an address this afternoon, the Sens General Manager indicated that defending Norris Trophy champion had surgery on a 70% cut and that the recovery time is expected to be 3-4 months. Murray said that as expected, “Karlsson’s season is effectively over.”

Replacing Erik Karlsson is impossible but unless the Sens can find help via trade (Murray says he's made calls) or free agency (see below), this becomes a good opportunity for some of the young guys to get some serious playing time. 

Patrick Wiercioch is now an every night player as is Andre Benoit.

It will be interesting to see how Paul MacLean distributes the minutes in Karlsson’s absence.

  • Earlier today, the National Hockey League ruled that there would be no supplemental discipline handed out to Matt Cooke as a result of last night’s incident.  I guess I’ll just say it’s the decision I expected.  Murray felt that Cooke's history should be considered when making the decision but the league obviously disagreed.
  • Murray also provided an update on Milan Michalek who had what the team called a "twisted knee" that should only keep him out for a couple games.  Peter Regin could return as early as next week.
  • Lost in all the talk about Karlsson’s injury is an interesting comment by TSN’s Bob McKenzie last night.  During the quiz portion of the show, McKenzie suggested that Ottawa was the most likely suitor for Avs hold out Ryan O’Reilly.  Ottawa has a need at centre and the pieces to get a deal done.  I do wonder if McKenzie would give the same answer with Karlsson out though.
  • I’m not overly happy to be typing this but contacts have suggested to me that the Senators will at least explore the idea of bringing back Chris Campoli.  Really not a road I can picture the Senators going down but I figured I would pass that bit of info along.
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+24 #1 SensChirp 2013-02-14 12:59
@AJonSports

Murray says he won't trade any high end prospects for short term help. #Sens
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+7 #2 The Apostle 2013-02-14 13:00
given the circumstances that is about as good as we could have hoped for re Karlsson
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+3 #3 AlfieforMayor11 2013-02-14 13:03
Alright so, the bad news is Karlsson is done for the season. We all knew that. The good news is he should be ready for training camp and be able to reach a full recovery.

I'm done feeling upset about this. I love Karlsson, and watching hockey definitely won't feel the same without him, but it's time to look ahead.

This is a huge opportunity for other guys to step up, and it will be very interesting to see how Murray handles this situation over the next few weeks.

We all know that Bryan was trying to make some moves to make this team better now, but now with the loss of Spezza and Karlsson for the season, does that plan change?

I'm happy to hear the Murray has shot down any suggestion of trading Anderson. I don't want to see Andy go anywhere, but part of me thinks that the Sens might receive and offer for their star goaltender that they can't refuse.
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-4 #4 Tookie 2013-02-14 13:03
Quoting SensChirp:
@AJonSports

Murray says he won't trade any high end prospects for short term help. #Sens


But he didnt say he wouldnt make a 3-4 player for 1 deal if the player is Perry...That is not short term.
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+6 #5 SensChirp 2013-02-14 13:04
Quoting Tookie:
Quoting SensChirp:
@AJonSports

Murray says he won't trade any high end prospects for short term help. #Sens


But he didnt say he wouldnt make a 3-4 player for 1 deal if the player is Perry...That is not short term.

True.
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+6 #6 AlfieforMayor11 2013-02-14 13:05
Quoting Tookie:
Quoting SensChirp:
@AJonSports

Murray says he won't trade any high end prospects for short term help. #Sens


But he didnt say he wouldnt make a 3-4 player for 1 deal if the player is Perry...That is not short term.


Assuming Perry signs an extension with us?
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+7 #7 The Apostle 2013-02-14 13:05
Karlsson's injury just makes me feel more strongly that a short term move is not the answer for this team and I'm very happy that Murray apparently feels the same way.

If a trade can be made that helps us next year, and the year after that and the year after that etc etc then let's look at it.
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0 #8 Tookie 2013-02-14 13:06
As for Anderson, yeah I think if the Sens get a wicked offer for him, like a 1st + +, he's most likely a goner. Bishop and Lehner (especially) can hold the fort until next season. Lehner should be rdy to take over now.
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+1 #9 NikoTn 2013-02-14 13:06
I am glad that he cemented Anderson as a cornerstone player.

Also, I am more happy than anything that Karlsson will be able to return to 100%. I think that IF (and most likely) we struggle, Gonchar and/or Michalek will get traded at the deadline...

I still believe we can be competitive every night, btu our game will have to be MUCH more dirty and ugly.
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-1 #10 Tookie 2013-02-14 13:08
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
Quoting Tookie:
Quoting SensChirp:
@AJonSports

Murray says he won't trade any high end prospects for short term help. #Sens


But he didnt say he wouldnt make a 3-4 player for 1 deal if the player is Perry...That is not short term.


Assuming Perry signs an extension with us?



Yes that would be the key to trading for him, I dont see why he wouldnt sign longterm with the team we got, he's got a good chance of making it back to the Cup in a few years.
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+4 #11 boom 2013-02-14 13:10
Quoting Tookie:
Quoting SensChirp:
@AJonSports

Murray says he won't trade any high end prospects for short term help. #Sens


But he didnt say he wouldnt make a 3-4 player for 1 deal if the player is Perry...That is not short term.

Agreed. I think that is exactly the kind of deal he should be looking for. The Sens are very deep in nhl-ready players and role players, but they are still lacking the sure-fire high-end prospect, and beyond Spezza, they have no top three players. A package deal, although hard to put together, may be the best way to get someone like Perry, or failing that, a number 1 pick from one of the bottom feeder teams. Sadly, the Sens may end up being one of those teams finishing near the bottom...so they may have their own chance to grab one of their own high-end prospect...
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+1 #12 AlfieforMayor11 2013-02-14 13:12
Quoting Tookie:
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
Quoting Tookie:
Quoting SensChirp:
@AJonSports

Murray says he won't trade any high end prospects for short term help. #Sens


But he didnt say he wouldnt make a 3-4 player for 1 deal if the player is Perry...That is not short term.


Assuming Perry signs an extension with us?



Yes that would be the key to trading for him, I dont see why he wouldnt sign longterm with the team we got, he's got a good chance of making it back to the Cup in a few years.


I don't know... He's a UFA this summer. Yes Ottawa should be an appealing team to play for, but he's going to have the choice of pretty much 30 teams come July. He may want to explore what all is out there.
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-4 #13 Tookie 2013-02-14 13:13
We will probably see Lebda at some point. But I say play on, we will lose more than win and maybe end up with the lottery pick anyways. But still wouldnt hurt to get more 1st's and 2nd's!
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0 #14 JohnnyKnowledge 2013-02-14 13:14
Honestly, Karlsson out hurts, but all I care about is that he is back for a full year next season...and he will be. Short of the Sens making a run, we wont see him this year.

That said, I would trade for O'reilly in a heartbeat though if the price was fair. Teams with depth down the middle are teams that win.

I would trade Greening, DaCosta and a 2nd for him. From what I read, a pick isnt really what the Avs want. Not sure if thats quite enough, but they get two players who can play in the NHL and a 2nd (which is what O'Reilly was).
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+4 #15 The Apostle 2013-02-14 13:15
Unless something presents itself for a player of the calibre of a Perry or Ryan I believe we should wait and see for at least two weeks or even a month before doing anything.

See how we adjust to life without Karlsson and have a better idea of just where we might be picking come draft day.

There is an obvious distinction between how we would feel and how attractive a trade partner we would be if we are talking about a 3-7 pick as opposed to a 10-15 pick.
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+1 #16 JohnnyKnowledge 2013-02-14 13:16
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
Quoting Tookie:
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:
Quoting Tookie:
Quoting SensChirp:
@AJonSports

Murray says he won't trade any high end prospects for short term help. #Sens


But he didnt say he wouldnt make a 3-4 player for 1 deal if the player is Perry...That is not short term.


Assuming Perry signs an extension with us?



Yes that would be the key to trading for him, I dont see why he wouldnt sign longterm with the team we got, he's got a good chance of making it back to the Cup in a few years.


I don't know... He's a UFA this summer. Yes Ottawa should be an appealing team to play for, but he's going to have the choice of pretty much 30 teams come July. He may want to explore what all is out there.


Any deal for Perry wouldnt happen unless an extension is signed first. #guaranteed
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0 #17 Tookie 2013-02-14 13:16
Quoting AlfieforMayor11:

I don't know... He's a UFA this summer. Yes Ottawa should be an appealing team to play for, but he's going to have the choice of pretty much 30 teams come July. He may want to explore what all is out there.


Well you dont let him go to UFA, trade for him and re-sign longterm. He's Canadian and has said in the past that he would love to play for a Canadian team if the chance ever came.

I nkow its hard to do but Murray has deep roots with the Ducks and that might push Perry to come to Ottawa and be on a line with a true #1 Centre.
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+1 #18 SensFanInMTL 2013-02-14 13:17
As fuckin irate as anyone else here is. Safe to say, everyone here would rather just skip through the rest of the season to hit the entry draft, plain and simple.

Now's the time to be sellers. If a team can go far into the playoffs, Michalek and Gonchar can be used as bait to be moved. Hopefully, Michalek can fetch us a 1st rounder. Hell, they gave us one for Fisher.
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+8 #19 JohnnyKnowledge 2013-02-14 13:20
And before all the Lehner homers jump on, Murray says 5-8 years with the idea that this guy can always be an option.

Everyone who wants a 22 year old to be your starter next year over a vet who has been nothing but amazing since he arrived here is crazy. YES - I think Lehner will be great, but there is no rush, he can be a backup for a year or two, logging 25-30 games a season and learn how to become a pro from a guy like Anderson.
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+2 #20 JohnnyKnowledge 2013-02-14 13:22
Quoting SensFanInMTL:
As fuckin irate as anyone else here is. Safe to say, everyone here would rather just skip through the rest of the season to hit the entry draft, plain and simple.

Now's the time to be sellers. If a team can go far into the playoffs, Michalek and Gonchar can be used as bait to be moved. Hopefully, Michalek can fetch us a 1st rounder. Hell, they gave us one for Fisher.


I wouldnt trade Michalek for a 1st - I would trade him for another player. The team needs top 6 guys - a first rounder will be lucky to be a top 6 in 3-4 years (unless its a lotto pic, which it wont be).
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+3 #21 Doc 2013-02-14 13:23
Was it said that he will make a 100% recovery?

This should be our main concern right now.

Having him come back and not be the same player will be a huge loss, not only for Sens fans, but for hockey fans in general.
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0 #22 thepez 2013-02-14 13:25
I know that Michalek is having a down year goal scoring wise, but to trade him because of a slow start is not wise. He is still a young guy with huge upside.

I've said this earlier if the plan is to go with Lehner next year as the #1 then trade Anderson now while his stock is high. If the plan is Anderson to mentor Lehner then you keep him and trade Bishop.
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+13 #23 The Apostle 2013-02-14 13:29
Quoting SensFanInMTL:
As fuckin irate as anyone else here is. Safe to say, everyone here would rather just skip through the rest of the season to hit the entry draft, plain and simple.



You sir, are wrong.

On any given night who is or isn't in the line-up doesn't make me support the team are more or any less.

I'm not an Ottawa fan to watch the draft, I'm an Ottawa fan because I want to watch them play hockey - regardless on which 20 players are dressed.
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-7 #24 SensFanInMTL 2013-02-14 13:33
Getting O'Reilly will not solve anything. Signing Camopli will not solve anything. We as fans have already accepted the fact that we are now headed to the draft. There's no if's, and's or but's. You simply cannot replace the elite talent of our # 1 centre and # 1 defenseman not just in our team, but possibly in the league. You just can't replace that sort of talent. And the best part out of all of this is that, we don't even need to tank. The team without our 2 best players will crumble on their own being outshot, outplayed and lacking of confidence that will get our pick that we want. If we win the lottery, we grab MacKinnon. If not, Drouin or Monahan. Hopefully we can obtain another 1st rounder in Michalek and a 2nd for at least Gonchar.
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+6 #25 Tcharger 2013-02-14 13:35
Quoting SensFanInMTL:
As fuckin irate as anyone else here is. Safe to say, everyone here would rather just skip through the rest of the season to hit the entry draft, plain and simple.



What an absolutely ridiculous comment, sure I don't really expect us to compete very often anymore, but I will still be watching the games, and cheering for anyone with the jersey on.
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-2 #26 SensFanInMTL 2013-02-14 13:35
Quoting The Apostle:
Quoting SensFanInMTL:
As fuckin irate as anyone else here is. Safe to say, everyone here would rather just skip through the rest of the season to hit the entry draft, plain and simple.



You sir, are wrong.

On any given night who is or isn't in the line-up doesn't make me support the team are more or any less.

I'm not an Ottawa fan to watch the draft, I'm an Ottawa fan because I want to watch them play hockey - regardless on which 20 players are dressed.

Oh we all want our team to win. Who the fuck doesn't want their team and especially the longest serving captain to hoist the Cup high above his fuckin head? But you have to face reality that nothing good can come out of this situation that we are in. It wasn't Greening and Benoit who got injured dude.
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-3 #27 Tookie 2013-02-14 13:37
Quoting The Apostle:
Quoting SensFanInMTL:
As fuckin irate as anyone else here is. Safe to say, everyone here would rather just skip through the rest of the season to hit the entry draft, plain and simple.



You sir, are wrong.

On any given night who is or isn't in the line-up doesn't make me support the team are more or any less.

I'm not an Ottawa fan to watch the draft, I'm an Ottawa fan because I want to watch them play hockey - regardless on which 20 players are dressed.


We get what your saying but its gonna be some ugly hockey and nobody wants to go back to the 2008 shit show.
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-4 #28 karlssens 2013-02-14 13:39
Lets be perfectly honest now guys, what is the point of hanging on to Anderson, gonchar and even to an extend Alfie? I would love to see Alfie get a chance with a contender, probably a Vancouver or a Chicago for a first rounder. Lets just plug holes with the young guys, get a top 5 pick, grab Drouin or Monahan and call it a season. With that kind of depth and prospects pushing prospects, we will hoist that damn cup before Spezza is 33!
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+4 #29 ZachPraiseTheSwedes 2013-02-14 13:40
I have to say this...

Tookie is the biggest douche here outside of ZipZap. All he ever does is attack people's comments or complain about the sens. Never anything even close to positive.

That said, he is correct about the no penalty call on high stick if its on a follow through of a shot. Perfect example is Hossa nearly taking out Berrards eye way back in the day. People all over the league said it was careless but it didn't warrant a penalty or suspension.

Same goes for cookes play. He is the epitamy of a dirty player and that was a very dirty play. However it does not warrant a suspension
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+9 #30 karlssens 2013-02-14 13:40
Spezza is in his prime the next few years, lets draft well this final year, pick up Perry, bring Alfie back, and make a push!
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+5 #31 The Apostle 2013-02-14 13:42
Well I don't believe we have much of a chance to win the stanley cup in the 2013/14 season either. Maybe we can do two drafts in one - because apparently the actual games don't matter.

In fact let's just run a computer simulation on NHL 13 and agree to meet on Elgin Street pretend it's 2019 and be happy we won the cup.

So what if it's ugly hockey, it's still your team playing. If all people are interested in being is a fair weather fan I am sure the LA Kings will be glad to have you for the next three months when you can pick a new team to "support".
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+1 #32 SNOOPY SENIOR 2013-02-14 13:46
Quoting JohnnyKnowledge:
And before all the Lehner homers jump on, Murray says 5-8 years with the idea that this guy can always be an option.

Everyone who wants a 22 year old to be your starter next year over a vet who has been nothing but amazing since he arrived here is crazy. YES - I think Lehner will be great, but there is no rush, he can be a backup for a year or two, logging 25-30 games a season and learn how to become a pro from a guy like Anderson.


Agreed 100% that Anderson is a KEEPER !!
My comment is obviously directed at TOOKIE THE TRADER !!

Did you read up above, that Murray said he is not thinking of trading Anderson ??
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+4 #33 Bonus2MacStash 2013-02-14 13:48
He is Our Jordan to the Bulls, Our Gretzky to the OilerKings, Our Jeter to the Yanks ect ect. At the end of his career no one will be able to tell me different. Starting to wonder if EK's folks just sat him in front of a tv showing Bobby Orr play over and over from the day he was born... Anyway, I'm not gonna write off the year, 22 Guys on the ice everynight won't be either, nor will our Amazing coach. This isn't crazy Clouston

Were're really gonna find out just how good Wiercioch is now, Loving that 100+ foot pass already! And Gonch has got to compensate for EKs shots and get the puck to the net more. I think Benoit has proven he's not a liability, Lundins alright, Methots solid, Big Rigs chipping in more, Borocop is a future full timer. This loss is catastrophic, but we do have depth and of course One freakin amazing goaltender.

If we see Lebda here we'll have to sign him to an NHL contract. He's already got 2 goals in 4 games with Bingo
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0 #34 Tookie 2013-02-14 13:48
Quoting The Apostle:

So what if it's ugly hockey, it's still your team playing. If all people are interested in being is a fair weather fan I am sure the LA Kings will be glad to have you for the next three months when you can pick a new team to "support".


The point is, it doesnt have to be ugly (for long anyways) Sell vets for picks, package assets for Perry and draft in the top 3 for impact player.

Do that and we are right back in the payoffs next year and improve for many years down the road.

Otherwise keep our aging Vets and lose them for nothing and keep plugging holes with players not meant for top 6 duty and waste Spezza & KK65 prized talents with a bunch of 3rd liners...
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+1 #35 Mike... 2013-02-14 13:54
Any know if lite counts against the cap? Cause if not we need almost 15 mil to make the cap floor
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+3 #36 The Apostle 2013-02-14 13:55
Quoting Tookie:


The point is, it doesnt have to be ugly (for long anyways) Sell vets for picks, package assets for Perry and draft in the top 3 for impact player.


I agree that we should use the circumstances we have been given to drive the team forward - we may disagree on exactly which players should be moved on but so what.

I am still of the mind that we are rebuilding anyway and to that end if we can upgrade Michalek we should do so (for a better winger) and move Gonchar if he agrees to it. If we need to trade anway lower ranking roster players like Greening or Smith so be it.

What I don't agree with is that the rest of this season is pointless and nobody cares about it.

We spent the best part of 4 months bitching as we didn't have any hockey to watch and now we do some people are wishing the season done after 14/15 games just because 1 or 2 players aren't in the line up and boo hoo hoo we won't win.
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+1 #37 Cy Denneny 2013-02-14 13:56
I feel a lot less anxious now that it sounds like he will be ready for training camp.
Anyone hear if a 100% recovery is expected? I guess they wouldn't say one way or another even if they knew.

I wonder what the D pairings will be?
Gonchar - Methot
Wiercioch - Benoit
Phillips - Lundine
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-4 #38 karlssens 2013-02-14 13:57
Tookie I completely agree with ya my man! We can still cheer for this team even if we trade the major assets.. It will be even more exciting to cheer for the young guys that are the future, with each win beating a pleasant surprise! This is our chance to finally get a top 3 pick guys, lets EMBRACE it and stop trying to be something were not this season!
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0 #39 Cy Denneny 2013-02-14 14:01
"I'm not gonna write off the year, 22 Guys on the ice everynight won't be either, nor will our Amazing coach. This isn't crazy Clouston " Bonus2Stash


If you dress 22 guys, than ya, it is like crazy Clouston....ano ther too many men penalty - geez.
couldn't resist. sorry.
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0 #40 RUSHRLZ 2013-02-14 14:04
Quoting Tookie:
Quoting SensChirp:
@AJonSports

Murray says he won't trade any high end prospects for short term help. #Sens


But he didnt say he wouldnt make a 3-4 player for 1 deal if the player is Perry...That is not short term.


Exactly Tookie. What he said is obvious and means nothing. He in no way suggested he wouldn't flip the entire roster over on it's head though if it make long term sense.
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-2 #41 Sens of Peskyville 2013-02-14 14:05
Before the injury last night, was anyone else thinking that EK would make a great captain after Alfie retires?

Or would that be too much of a slap in the face to Spezza?
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+3 #42 Dirk Diggler 2013-02-14 14:06
Quoting DajaSens:
Before the injury last night, was anyone else thinking that EK would make a great captain after Alfie retires?

Or would that be too much of a slap in the face to Spezza?

Spezza is next... Then Karlsson in 5-6 years.
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+1 #43 Tcharger 2013-02-14 14:06
Quoting DajaSens:
Before the injury last night, was anyone else thinking that EK would make a great captain after Alfie retires?

Or would that be too much of a slap in the face to Spezza?



Sure he would....but why the hell would he now not be due to the injury?
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-4 #44 RUSHRLZ 2013-02-14 14:07
Quoting Tookie:
As for Anderson, yeah I think if the Sens get a wicked offer for him, like a 1st + +, he's most likely a goner. Bishop and Lehner (especially) can hold the fort until next season. Lehner should be rdy to take over now.


I am in a 1,000th place tie for the biggest Anderson fan on Earth but I echoed your statement earlier. Now that we have an opportunity to finish in the basement this year, because we've been kicked in the f**king nuts by the "injury fairy", then the timing makes perfect sense if a great return presents itself.

- his value will never be higher
- Lehner breathing down his neck
- Not in the plans long term if the org believes in Lehner like they tell us
- Added bonus, moving a guy who will single handedly win 40% more points for us hurting our chances for a PREMIER pick this year
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-2 #45 Bonus2MacStash 2013-02-14 14:07
We have a very good chance at getting Perry, he has already stated he would prefer to be closer to his parents in Peterborough. So that right there gives the edge to (Shudder) The Laffs, and Us. And to some extent the Habs and Sabres. Murray drafted CP so I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him here at some point before training camp next year.

I WANT O'Reilly here! I'm sure BMs going in hard here. I love Zack Smith but if it took a package involving Smitty to get O'Reilly I'd do it, got to give to get. Prefer Zack stays though. Ryan O has a pretty high ceiling, the type of hard nosed canadian player that plays with a purpose every shift! I def don't want to lose out on these guys to the Laffs and then deal with playing against them. Possibilites are endless for deals from now to next season with $ to spend and players envisioning themselves playing with the best offensive defenseman arguably since... (Insert any HOFer or future HOF Defenseman here) _________
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+1 #46 visser85 2013-02-14 14:19
Quoting The Apostle:
So what if it's ugly hockey, it's still your team playing. If all people are interested in being is a fair weather fan I am sure the LA Kings will be glad to have you for the next three months when you can pick a new team to "support".


I agree with this...The King Karl injury added on top of other significant injuries really sucks. I was so distraught last night. I was talking with some buddies about it and I remember thinking 'jeez, I really shouldn't be THIS upset about a hockey player I don't even personally know.' This was a big old punch in the nuts for Sens fans, but we must charge on. I won't expect an imminent trades (for or of players). I won't expect them to collapse. I won't expect us to start losing every game. I won't be cheering for us to lose to 'get a better draft pick.' I will only cheer for us to improve and enjoy watching the future play.

Let's Go Sens!
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0 #47 SpezzaRules 2013-02-14 14:19
Chris Campoli's talents would be wasted in Ottawa. We all know he is a very talented labour negotiator and that unions throughout the world must be lining up to have him negotiate their next contract.
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+7 #48 A Train 2013-02-14 14:21
I hope this will make people feel better (worked for me). Check out Elliotte Friedman's Twitter. Turns out Selanne had the same injury at almost the same age (23).

Elliotte Friedman ‏@FriedgeHNIC
Teemu Selanne on Erik Karlsson: "I want to wish Erik the best. It's a tough injury because it's bad luck. He can come back from this...For me, it was about six months. I felt soon after that I could play my normal game again." Thanks to @AnaheimDucks for facilitating this.
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+2 #49 Alcatraz 2013-02-14 14:21
Quoting SpezzaRules:
Chris Campoli's talents would be wasted in Ottawa. We all know he is a very talented labour negotiator and that unions throughout the world must be lining up to have him negotiate their next contract.


Campoli just left for Europe, so he wont be avail until his season ends anyways
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+1 #50 RUSHRLZ 2013-02-14 14:28
Quoting Alcatraz:
Quoting SpezzaRules:
Chris Campoli's talents would be wasted in Ottawa. We all know he is a very talented labour negotiator and that unions throughout the world must be lining up to have him negotiate their next contract.


Campoli just left for Europe, so he wont be avail until his season ends anyways


Thank God I don't want to see him back in a Sens uni, been there bombed that.

Without additions on D we have plenty of bodies to tide us to the end of the year.

Similar to before we bring up Borocop and guys take turns being that 7th guy, probably Boro/Lundin from the current look of it.

Is bringing in ANYONE going to make a difference? Why even try to improve X% and wind up 2 spots higher in the standings. Think of the nice improvements we already have queued up for next season on D alone: +Cowen +Karlsson +Ceci possibly!
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+1 #51 HKYcountry 2013-02-14 14:28
I just don't get some of these comments. I can see pesimism in a situation like this, but those who are claiming to "being realistic" are in fact, being short sighted. No question that losing Karlsson severely hurts us...but it's not over. Trading Anderson (unless it is for an ungodly return) would be a mistake. Yes Lehner is NHL ready, but is he NHL starter ready? Not sure about that one. Wouldn't the smarter move be to have Anderson as insulation and create a 1a vs 1b scenario next season.

We have seen the Sens rally before in the face of injuries...befo re we had a Norris trophy on the blueline. No question we are in tough and we very well may finish as a lottery team...but you can not give up with more than 2/3 of the season left. Now is the time to make deals that strengthen us now and in the future.

There's no point trying to replace EK, so don't, let the rooks play...but use some assets to go out and upgrade the offense...
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0 #52 HKYcountry 2013-02-14 14:30
....use a Peumple/Prince to get O'reilly or someone like that....there are moves that can be made that benefit us now and won't hurt the future. Don't destroy the prospect pool, but use some of it to upgrade the team now and for the future.
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+4 #53 HKYcountry 2013-02-14 14:33
This team can still compete....and with the wy the things are in the east, it is absolutely possible to still make the playoffs.

You don't tank a season when there is some adversity. Clubs that do that to insure a top 3 draft pick are pathetic and do so bcause they have no faith in their drafting abilities.

So what if we end up out of the playoffs...the young players on our team are going to be that much better moving forward after playing through something like this.
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-3 #54 yawnzzz 2013-02-14 14:49
This half NHL season was a joke to begin with.

It's not a natural season. (which mentally starts at the end of summer)

The cup winner will probably be some undeserving joke of a team.

See Ya in 2013-14
When the NHL gets back to normal.
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0 #55 sens_fan_mtl1 2013-02-14 14:53
Like many, I do not see the Sens getting anywhere this year...no insult intended to the remaining healthy guys on the roster. That being said as much as I don't want Murray to try and quick fix the problems...I also don't want him to blow up what we have....Trade Bishop, Michalek and Gonchar for picks/ or a package to get long term players I am ok with...but I don't want to see him dump Anderson unless it is a great package for Perry and Ryan or something along those lines...I say ride the kids...hang tight and next year will be better with the boyz back healthy...also with Alfie wanting to play in Sochi...means he will probably want to stick around one more year...next year we go for it!
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-2 #56 miguel 2013-02-14 14:53
having had a day to digest, and reading some of the comments we must be realistic as to our expectations.

1- we could not score withoug Spezz and with the most dynamic D-man in EK in our lineup

2- without EK our top scorer, our goal scoring potential has just deminished

3- Even with the best goalie in the NHL right now can we expect to win by scoring 2 or less goals a game?

Reality is that EK cannot be replaced.
Losing 3 top noth NHL players to any team will essentially take most teams out of the playoffs

BM and PM, we have to change directions, trade some veterans that can help us next year ie a winger for Spezz,

bring up some tough mean SOB's so even if we lost we can pound our opponents into submission.

I am sick and tired of being the NHL's picked on weaklings!

lets go out and unintentially hurt our opponents on Saturday!
...obviously still a little bitter
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0 #57 HollywoodStyle 2013-02-14 14:53
Not sure if this has been posted already, but at least there is some good news on Jarrod Maidens (he's on the ice):
http://www.forterietimes.ca/2013/02/12/maidens-making-strides-in-concussion-recovery
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+5 #58 A Train 2013-02-14 14:57
Murray targetted Craig Anderson, pulled off a hell of a deal and then bought into him with a contract extension. He is not going to turn around and flip him now.

Buy-low-sell-hi gh may make sense in stocks and real estate but it is rarely the way with sports fanchises.

Another side to it: Ottawa has a hard enough time attracting free agents to the city and keeping elite talent here. One thing Murray has to sell is loyalty. And you don't demonstrate that by chucking the best-performing goalie in the league in a trade to god knows where.
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+5 #59 OldManBurns 2013-02-14 14:58
What became of those reports a few weeks ago that the Sens were persuing Viktor Antipin? Maybe EK's absence provides an opportunity to give this guy a trial, and fill some of the offensive void?
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+2 #60 SNOOPY SENIOR 2013-02-14 14:59
Quoting yawnzzz:
This half NHL season was a joke to begin with.

It's not a natural season. (which mentally starts at the end of summer)

The cup winner will probably be some undeserving joke of a team.

See Ya in 2013-14
When the NHL gets back to normal.


Glad you said your goodbyes till 2013-14
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0 #61 Sens of Peskyville 2013-02-14 15:01
Quoting Tcharger-NHL IS A BUSH LEAGUE:
Quoting DajaSens:
Before the injury last night, was anyone else thinking that EK would make a great captain after Alfie retires?

Or would that be too much of a slap in the face to Spezza?



Sure he would....but why the hell would he now not be due to the injury?


I wasn't implying he wouldn't be... just that I was thinking about it before the injury. After the injury I was busy thinking about how much I hate Cooke.

But I see your point from the way it was written.
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+8 #62 Alcatraz 2013-02-14 15:03
I don't get where this Ottawa is a weakling comes from. We win and were almost a contender in the East because we had 23 guys who can all play hockey

Konopka and Carkner were easily replaceable and its noticeable this year

In all honesty what did you want the sens to do yesterday? The period was over. Go into the locker room, bitch and moan and then come back and goon it up in a 2-2 game, off a freak accident play (carless/malici ous or not)
it was a freak play in that it never happens

Our team is tough enough and not once this year have I felt that we have been pushed around
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+1 #63 NikoTn 2013-02-14 15:06
Quoting OldManBurns:
What became of those reports a few weeks ago that the Sens were persuing Viktor Antipin? Maybe EK's absence provides an opportunity to give this guy a trial, and fill some of the offensive void?


lol... get real
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0 #64 DenisVial 2013-02-14 15:18
Time to bring up Gyrba, with the Laffs game on Saturday. He deserves a shot, and brings some toughness that we are lacking on the back end. I say let the kids play, win or lose we will be in great shape next year with the experience our prospects gain this year. Anderson should be kept to mentor Lehner unless a bottom feeder like Columbus offers up their first round pick. I think you have to make that trade if it means potentially snagging a top 3 pick.
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-1 #65 Alcatraz 2013-02-14 15:26
I think I just spent 10 literal minutes staring at this in a trance

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-F3wtOHm7wz4/URxLrPUNOeI/AAAAAAAAAMo/G4sPrtgH53w/s547/CookeHitsKarlsson.gif

What did sens fans ever do to the hockey Gods?

1- Star goalie injures himself for a month cokoing fucking chicken

2- Unreal ride to the playoffs and have our Captain get concussed for 2 of 7 games

3- NHL fan loses half a year

4- Lose 2nd best dman in offseason to season ending injury

5- Lose star centremen to a herniated disc (non typical hockey injury)

6- Lose best player in world to freak injury (see #1)
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0 #66 OldManBurns 2013-02-14 15:28
Quoting NikoTn:
Quoting OldManBurns:
What became of those reports a few weeks ago that the Sens were persuing Viktor Antipin? Maybe EK's absence provides an opportunity to give this guy a trial, and fill some of the offensive void?


lol... get real


Well, I'm not saying he steps in and fills EK's shoes on the top pairing. More along the lines of a PP specialist... see what he can do. It wouldn't cost anything.

I honestly don't know a lot about him though, other than what I read when those reports came out... an undersized offensive defenseman who has some familiarity with Gonchar.
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0 #67 Andrews Theory 2013-02-14 15:47
Quoting ZachPraiseTheSwedes:
I have to say this...

Tookie is the biggest douche here outside of ZipZap. All he ever does is attack people's comments or complain about the sens. Never anything even close to positive.

That said, he is correct about the no penalty call on high stick if its on a follow through of a shot. Perfect example is Hossa nearly taking out Berrards eye way back in the day. People all over the league said it was careless but it didn't warrant a penalty or suspension.

Same goes for cookes play. He is the epitamy of a dirty player and that was a very dirty play. However it does not warrant a suspension


I've recieved a penalty more than once for the follow through on a slap shot. futhermore, wasnt Hossa penalized when he poked out Bryan Berards eye?
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+6 #68 No65* 2013-02-14 15:47
Let's say this will be a great opportunity for Paul MacLean to show how good of a coach he can be and change the game plan accordinly. With Anderson doing his thing and a team playing more like the NJ Devils type of game strategy, the Sens could surprise some and make the playoffs.

C'mon boys, show the Leafs what you are all about. Never go down without a fight attitude.

Go SENS Go
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-2 #69 miguel 2013-02-14 15:58
Quoting Alcatraz:
I don't get where this Ottawa is a weakling comes from. We win and were almost a contender in the East because we had 23 guys who can all play hockey

Konopka and Carkner were easily replaceable and its noticeable this year

In all honesty what did you want the sens to do yesterday? The period was over. Go into the locker room, bitch and moan and then come back and goon it up in a 2-2 game, off a freak accident play (carless/malicious or not)
it was a freak play in that it never happens

Our team is tough enough and not once this year have I felt that we have been pushed around


we seem to be always in a reactionary state.
An example is a number of years ago we are going into the playoffs, leafs are out and we play theme the last game of the year.
They come out pummeling us, and we lose Alfie and Fisher for the playoffs.
Enough, lets be the initiators now
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-3 #70 Alcatraz 2013-02-14 16:00
so you want us to initiate injuring star players?

I really don't get where your coming from

We had carkner last year probably the best fighter in the league

He dummied Brian Boyle but only as a "reactionary play"

I don't get what you mean by being initiators

Oh you mean like being broad street bullies, or being the leafs? I guess that's a legit point, because injuries don't affect those teams either (see Reimer, see Lupul, see frattin, see Hartnell)
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+2 #71 esk 2013-02-14 16:07
we need to get tougher asap. bet murray will aquire some goons. other teams need to be afraid to play us and not run around and do things like cooke did....he might have not intended to injure but i bet it was something shady he was trying to do that went wrong.......its not a coincedence it was cooke...if it was malkin or crosby or any other player THEN i would be believe it was an accident....wat ch the interview cooke gave...guilty! i hope the pens get whats coming to them
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-3 #72 miguel 2013-02-14 16:09
Reality is we could not score many with Karlsson.
Without Cowen Spezza and Karlsson we must re-evaluate our position and our chances.
You can be optimistic all you want but if you take out 3 top players for he year ie Kane, Keith and Stallberg or off of Chicago, and expect them to win the cup.

we have been dealt this hand, and we now have to change our course.

No doubt when they all come back, if we can add a top winger for Spezz, we will be more just a playoff hopeful next year.

But for this year lets go out and bust some freakin balls! Especially the delicate freakin penguins and laffs

Where the fuk is Peluso when we need him!
PELUSO we are in desperate need of your Rants.
Please tell me you are doing some COOKEing!!!
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-1 #73 miguel 2013-02-14 16:15
Quoting Alcatraz:
so you want us to initiate injuring star players?

I really don't get where your coming from

We had carkner last year probably the best fighter in the league

He dummied Brian Boyle but only as a "reactionary play"

I don't get what you mean by being initiators

Oh you mean like being broad street bullies, or being the leafs? I guess that's a legit point, because injuries don't affect those teams either (see Reimer, see Lupul, see frattin, see Hartnell)


Fuk the laffs they are losers, but that one year they effectively took us out of the playoffs the last game of the year by taking out Alfe and Fisher!

And try to tell me you did not love it when Carkner pummelled Boyle... I get a excited by that.

yes lets go out and start pounding our opponents, our year is effectively over, we could not score before, and the chances of us winning enough 1-0 games are slim... IMO
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-10 #74 Top6Help 2013-02-14 16:15
Trade for Mike Green

Methot Green
Boro Gonchar
Philips PW/Benoit

Next year

Methot Karlsson
Cowen Green
Philips Ceci/Patty/Boro cop/Benoit etc
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0 #75 ghost of Hax 2013-02-14 16:19
Quoting ZachPraiseTheSwedes:


Tookie is the biggest douche here outside of ZipZap. All he ever does is attack people's comments or complain about the sens. Never anything even close to positive.


===============================================================================
Tookie's M.O.

He selectively ignores valid counter-argueme nts
and when he makes a mistake in a post or
paints himself into a corner he'll explain that you actually
misunderstood what he meant.
.
.
.
Tookie: It's not going to rain today.
(starts raining)
Tookie: I meant in Japan
(quick Internet search shows it's raining in Japan)
Tookie: Yeah but it's tomorrow already in Japan
(more Internet searching shows it's been raining in Japan for four days)
Tookie: I meant the other Japan
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+2 #76 T K 2013-02-14 16:20
My opinion: the cut tendon was not fully intended but the knee jab was 100% intentional. One thing directly lead to the other.
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+2 #77 s3nsfan 2013-02-14 16:21
Quoting SensFanInMTL:
As fuckin irate as anyone else here is. Safe to say, everyone here would rather just skip through the rest of the season to hit the entry draft, plain and simple.
.

Have to say i completely, unequivolcally, absolutely disagree with you.
I think Karlsson is the best d-man, arguably one of THEE best players in the league, but to say i'd rather skip this whole season and go right to the draft, means i have no confidence in the rest of the players that will make up the 20 man roster on any given night.
And i haven't even said anything about the best goalie in the league at the moment. This team plays well, they give it their all, they quite possibly won't make the playoffs, but that's not a guarantee and with the goaltending we're getting ANYTHING is possible.
GO SENS GO
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0 #78 Sandy 2013-02-14 16:21
I'm so angry and distraught over this.

I was worried about the Leafs taking him out.. but when I should have realized the odds were the Pens would do it.

Craig Adams on Alfie -- shoulder injury.

Kris Letang late hit from behind on Spezza -- shoulder separation.

Something happened in the Pitts game in Ottawa when Spezza's back went from kinda bad to even worse.

Now Karlsson.

It looked like a hockey play.. but it also looked careless to me.

Cooke said he was sorry and did not mean to do it... but he probably said the same thing when he destroyed Marc Savard's career. I don't believe a word that comes out of his mouth.

Leopards don't change their spots.

Then to see Cooke laughing and joking on the bench in the 3rd really pissed me off further.

Then he turtles when Neil challenges him.. he's a fucking coward.
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0 #79 WolfInSheepsClothes 2013-02-14 16:22
So how do you think we'll lineup, Chirp?

Are we still at the cap floor with Spezza and Karl on LTIR?

So many questions...
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+2 #80 do due dew doodoo 2013-02-14 16:28
Quoting ZachPraiseTheSwedes:



Tookie is the biggest douche here outside of ZipZap.


YEP !

Only about 1 in 50 of his posts is worth reading.

Don't understand why he gets to be "teacher's pet"
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+1 #81 Ramsli88 2013-02-14 16:29
My only fear on the injury is i hope it doesn't affect his career.. His speed is such a great part of his game

My personal opinion is this years gonna be tough as nails to make the playoffs with Spezza & Karlsson out for the season, Only trades id wanna see is trading some of our prospects for other prospects that support our needs more. Let the kids play, It's a shame Stone is injured

If we make the playoff's i want it to be done with our team not a bunch of rentals that jeopardize our teams future

P.S What is up with Jared Cowen? is he out for the season also?
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-2 #82 Sandy 2013-02-14 16:30
So Cooke turtling and not fighting will get the Sens even angrier heading into Apr 22nd game.
The Pens took away the Sens playoff hopes maybe payback is to do damage to ensure their playoff run is short.
The games in the next week look at a glance losses for the Sens.
Leafs -- they are playing very well (it hurts me to say that)
NJ - tops in the East
NYI - 2nd game back to back
Then Boston, Mtl & Rangers.
For the next week the Sens will be going with 2 top 6 forwards in Turris & Alfie.
Then you have 2 rookies playing centre as well as 2 rookies on D.
Then 3rd & 4th liners.
The Sens will be outskilled.
I see no great finish to this season.
Even if by some miracle they make the playoffs it would be 4 straight losses.
Is that better than a high pick.
Any team not making the playoffs gets a chance at the 1st overall. Seth Jones.
It's a tragedy that Anderson's great year is for naught with no playoffs.
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+5 #83 s3nsfan 2013-02-14 16:36
Quoting Top6Help:
Trade for Mike Green

Methot Green
Boro Gonchar
Philips PW/Benoit

Next year

Methot Karlsson
Cowen Green
Philips Ceci/Patty/Borocop/Benoit etc


Really? Mike Green, yeah, that's a worth while acquisition, he's a shell of his former self and even that was terrible defensively, no thank you
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-2 #84 andreasdackell 2013-02-14 16:38
is there such a thing as too many swedes being a bad thing? because i am a pretty big oilers fan also, and saw an interview with piaarvi saying how he is good friends with karlsson and that he hopes for a good recovery blaa blaa blaa. he is currently being transformed into a depth role, 3rd liner/backcheck er/penalty killer. I think we have alot of pieces that would coiuld offer for a fair trade. and i think a line of zibby centring silf and magnus would be damn sweet. He once looked like a promising future power forward. murray should try to pull another turris
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+2 #85 hq8 2013-02-14 16:38
why cooke should have been suspended:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/globe-on-hockey/accepting-karlsson-injury-was-an-accident-simply-not-good-enough/article8668927/

and also why its not an acceptable terrible accident.
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-1 #86 Tookie 2013-02-14 16:48
Quoting Sandy:
So Cooke turtling and not fighting will get the Sens even angrier heading into Apr 22nd game.
The Pens took away the Sens playoff hopes maybe payback is to do damage to ensure their playoff run is short.


Sandy what your saying here is that you want our boys to stoop down so low as to intentionally hurt players and become target for bad reputations, you really want our good young guys getting bad reps. I dont know about you but thats very classless and the Sens through the years have been very classy Org, I doubt that Mac or Murr would stoop that low on a freak injury.

Cooke will answer when the Pens come to OTT, he will probably fight Neil at the start of the game so to get it out of the way.
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-7 #87 Tookie 2013-02-14 16:53
Quoting hq8:
why cooke should have been suspended:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/globe-on-hockey/accepting-karlsson-injury-was-an-accident-simply-not-good-enough/article8668927/

and also why its not an acceptable terrible accident.


LMAO the Globe and Mail, right on par with the Sun for Sport cred...
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+1 #88 Sandy 2013-02-14 16:55
Sandy what your saying here is that you want our boys to stoop down so low as to intentionally hurt players and become target for bad reputations, you really want our good young guys getting bad reps. I dont know about you but thats very classless and the Sens through the years have been very classy Org, I doubt that Mac or Murr would stoop that low on a freak injury.

Cooke will answer when the Pens come to OTT, he will probably fight Neil at the start of the game so to get it out of the way.

======================================

Cooke turtled and would not fight Neil last night. I expect him to do so again.

Hard hits should be the word of the day in that game... hard but legal, of course. And the odd fight.. it's not like Pitts doesn't have fighters..

Other teams payback, so the Sens shouldn't? The Sens have some guys who are hard to play against.. make sure that happens.
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-4 #89 Tookie 2013-02-14 16:56
Quoting andreasdackell:
is there such a thing as too many swedes being a bad thing? because i am a pretty big oilers fan also, and saw an interview with piaarvi saying how he is good friends with karlsson and that he hopes for a good recovery blaa blaa blaa. he is currently being transformed into a depth role, 3rd liner/backchecker/penalty killer. I think we have alot of pieces that would coiuld offer for a fair trade. and i think a line of zibby centring silf and magnus would be damn sweet. He once looked like a promising future power forward. murray should try to pull another turris


No thx the guy couldnt even play well with Ebs & Hall nor with Hemsky and Gagner...No thx he's a super shy player with no passion.
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+1 #90 andreasdackell 2013-02-14 16:56
looking on the bright side fellas, i think if we do make a move for any upgrade in offence, it doesnt have to be a star, but there are alot of options that could upgrade our current offense situation, that our team could still be in the running for a playoff spot. looking at our roster, the calibre of talent in front of anderson is similar to what he had in front of him when he was in florida and colododo. he was still able to give those teams at least a fighting chance. he can do the same here. anderson has the experience backstopping these kind of teams so who knows.
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0 #91 boom 2013-02-14 16:59
Quoting Tookie:
Quoting andreasdackell:
is there such a thing as too many swedes being a bad thing? because i am a pretty big oilers fan also, and saw an interview with piaarvi saying how he is good friends with karlsson and that he hopes for a good recovery blaa blaa blaa. he is currently being transformed into a depth role, 3rd liner/backchecker/penalty killer. I think we have alot of pieces that would coiuld offer for a fair trade. and i think a line of zibby centring silf and magnus would be damn sweet. He once looked like a promising future power forward. murray should try to pull another turris


No thx the guy couldnt even play well with Ebs & Hall nor with Hemsky and Gagner...No thx he's a super shy player with no passion.

Not sure about Piaarvi either, but Hemsky would have been worth going after. Too late now, likely. He's playing too well..
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+1 #92 Bonus2MacStash 2013-02-14 17:01
I think the NHL should have at least called that Tard cooke in for a hearing asking him WTF his foot was doing a foot and a half off the f%&*ing ice. How many times throughout any hockey game do 2 men go into the boards and battle for the puck? COUNTLESS! multiply countless by 2460 games. When players have had their tendons lacerated or severed its usually during a pile up, a scrum involving 3 or more players, not a harmless 2 man battle along the boards FFS. Cooke didn't go in with the frame of mind of severing EK's tendon but he definitely went in with intent to slew foot him.

The stupid mother$%^%$#& Prick should have been banned from the NHL after his hit on Savard. While weird I miss seeing Savvy make out with his stick

Lastly its a joke it even got to that point. Play should have been blown down but 4 imcompetent dumbass officials can't do their job properly. Yeah the games fast, blah blah. but these are paid, trained officials! PATHETIC!
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-9 #93 Tookie 2013-02-14 17:03
Quoting Sandy:

Cooke turtled and would not fight Neil last night. I expect him to do so again.

Hard hits should be the word of the day in that game... hard but legal, of course. And the odd fight.. it's not like Pitts doesn't have fighters..

Other teams payback, so the Sens shouldn't? The Sens have some guys who are hard to play against.. make sure that happens.


I dont blame him for not fighting, the game was tied 2-2 and was still up for grabs, why would PITS trade off Cooke for Neil, that would be seriously stupid by PIT, which ended up scoring a minute into the 3rd, Cooke with an assist on the play.

Fighting is a strategy, and that clearly backfired on the Sens.
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-2 #94 andreasdackell 2013-02-14 17:10
all im sayin is we should go after someone affordable like magnus rather than hemsky, so we can try to fill the void and be competetive this year, until our bodies are back for next year. My other choice would be to take a big contracts that expires at the seasons end now that karlsson and spezz arent in the books. sticking with my oilers lol, how about a guy like ryan whitney, he has a big contract but he would just be takin karlsson spot this year and then will flee to the states next
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+6 #95 sk 2013-02-14 17:12
Here's my fantasy.

Murray announces a trade of a 6th rounder for ... Matt Cooke. Because hey, nobody's worth less than Kovalev.

Healthy scratch for the rest of the year.

Training camp, 2013-14. Ben Blood ends Matt Cooke's career on a Cooke-ian slew-foot drill.

Then, every Senator fan gets a free "SLAP SHOT COOKIE IN THE FACE/NECK AREA" for a day until he is vulnerable for the rest of his days.

Ahhhhh.

Now, back to reality.
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+1 #96 hq8 2013-02-14 17:15
Quoting Tookie:

Fighting is a strategy, and that clearly backfired on the Sens.


unfortunately, for you tookie, an unnecessary injury to the star player on the team you supposedly support, is just a happen-stance - even though, the perpetrator is known for his history and it is very plausible that why did he have to hit him that particular way in the first place.
and if thats the norm, then why is that the norm? is it normal for the league to have reckless skate cuts to its star players? is the NHL going to go through career ending instances before it tells reckless players to hold their skates accountable?

30 seconds left in the period with the sens deep in their own zone, nothing was going to happen to the score. Cooke did not need to go in that hard on karlsson to get unbalanced and use EK's ankle as support instead.

and you also have an issue with Neil sticking up? maybe you are just as gutless as cooke.
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+6 #97 hq8 2013-02-14 17:24
as bad as it is for the sens, this is worse for the league. it shows that the NHL is still a bush league with absolutely no control on what its players do on the ice. nothing to actually hold players really accountable.

we already saw the gong show with head shots and they didnt realize until cry-baby kid himself got whacked out and even then they couldnt really suspend the guy - so-called hockey play bohoo lol

now in this case its karlsson. sure you can give cooke all the benefit of the doubt even - although its hard with his history, but what is going to prevent this kind of incident?

and then the refs. how is the league holding them accountable? a very valid point is that due to the refs non-call yesterday, the result of the game changed. we saw what they did to the sens in mtl.

disappointing. this league is still way behind in comparison to other major sports.
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+1 #98 DrSens 2013-02-14 17:31
Quoting Tookie:
Quoting Sandy:

Cooke turtled and would not fight Neil last night. I expect him to do so again.

Hard hits should be the word of the day in that game... hard but legal, of course. And the odd fight.. it's not like Pitts doesn't have fighters..

Other teams payback, so the Sens shouldn't? The Sens have some guys who are hard to play against.. make sure that happens.


I dont blame him for not fighting, the game was tied 2-2 and was still up for grabs, why would PITS trade off Cooke for Neil, that would be seriously stupid by PIT, which ended up scoring a minute into the 3rd, Cooke with an assist on the play.

Fighting is a strategy, and that clearly backfired on the Sens.


Wish I knew what league you watch on daily basis man. Cookie and Neil are the same player same caliber same style minus the fact that neiler has never ended anyones career. How is Cooke vs Neil stupid for Pits.
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-1 #99 DrSens 2013-02-14 17:34
GP G A PTS PIMS
731 90 110 200 1861
Neil

GP G A PTS PIMS
887 145 194 339 1,032
Cooke
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+2 #100 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2013-02-14 17:36
Quoting SensChirp:
@AJonSports

Murray says he won't trade any high end prospects for short term help. #Sens


Fantastic news. There's no need.

Also good to see recovery time is only 3-4 months. That is excellent news. Sometimes these things can take up to a year.

Also happy to hear Murray dismiss any foolish talk about Craig Anderson being traded. This franchise has starved for a legit number one goaltender, and now that we finally have one, who happens to be the best in the entire league, people wanting him traded is absurd to me. We don't need anymore prospects anyways our cupboard is jacked full.

On another note, Murray said he'll give some guys in Bingo a look too. Anybody think Shane Prince will make his NHL debut at sometime this season?
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+1 #101 NadislavLagy 2013-02-14 18:17
It's good that the Sens are off until Saturday, give's them a few days to figure out what to do for line-ups, whether to call people up and get them some practice in, or to negotiate a signing/trade in time to have them come in.
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-1 #102 enretard 2013-02-14 18:17
SensChirp: I really enjoy the blog but this Tookie character and his silly flaming is making it a chore.

Please ban him from posting. Until then I will check this site less often, if at all.
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+1 #103 Masterdzaster 2013-02-14 18:25
Really interested who is coming up. I hope Gryba gets a look.
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-1 #104 andreasdackell 2013-02-14 18:39
@enretard,

honestly, whining to get someone banned is almost as pathetic ans sens whining for leaf fans to stay away. Im not liking the direction the sens fanbase is heading. Dont get me wrong, tookie seems like a total tool lol, his hockey opinions are completely different than mine, but theres no whining in hockey, unless youre a sindey crosby fan that is
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0 #105 Tibor 2013-02-14 18:40
do we not need another forward now that milo is out? who is next in line for the fwds? Pageau?jessiman ?
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+3 #106 SensChirp 2013-02-14 18:41
Quoting Masterdzaster:
Really interested who is coming up. I hope Gryba gets a look.

Six guys there so no need to bring someone up just yet.

Methot, Gonchar, Phillips, Lundin, Benoit and Wiercioch.

Yeesh
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+3 #107 Sandy 2013-02-14 18:47
Quoting Tookie:
Quoting Sandy:

Cooke turtled and would not fight Neil last night. I expect him to do so again.

Hard hits should be the word of the day in that game... hard but legal, of course. And the odd fight.. it's not like Pitts doesn't have fighters..

Other teams payback, so the Sens shouldn't? The Sens have some guys who are hard to play against.. make sure that happens.


I dont blame him for not fighting, the game was tied 2-2 and was still up for grabs, why would PITS trade off Cooke for Neil, that would be seriously stupid by PIT, which ended up scoring a minute into the 3rd, Cooke with an assist on the play.

Fighting is a strategy, and that clearly backfired on the Sens.


The altercation between Cooke & Neil was at the 17:54 and the 4th Pitts goal was scored at 11:42.. so the game was out of reach. There was no reason for Cooke not to man up and fight him. He is a bloody coward.
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0 #108 andreasdackell 2013-02-14 19:06
i agree sandy, how did such a dirty player turn into such a damn pussy, his interviews have been driving me nuts, his changed man routine is bullshit!! It shouldnt be about whether he had intent or not, the guy is soo wreckless. We are trying to protect player with headcheck penalties, well this guy running around the league is just as dangerous whether he intended it or not, he is wreckless and has no respect for players. I have a feeling that we are going to see alot of players around the league show him the same lack of respect.

Also this is my conspiracy theory, i was kind of a dirty player when i played hockey too lol, and it clearly looks like he was going in for the slew foot and was caught off guard by karlssons lower body strength. there was no intent to injure karlsson, but if he had not went for the slew foor than there would not have been an injury
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-2 #109 cain69 2013-02-14 19:09
I wonder if Murray is going to call EDM and ask about R Whitney as a rentle.
Whitney is no Karalsson but he would fit in perfictly and plug that hole I think.providing Murray can get him very cheeply like a 2nd rd.

I would make that deal providing Ottawa is still in the play off picture

What do you think ?
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0 #110 visser85 2013-02-14 19:10
@SensChirp

What about at forward? With Michalek injured last night there is an extra forward spot no?

Zbad-DaCosta-Alfie
Condra-Turris-Silfverberg
Greening-Smith-Turris
? - O'Brien-Daugavins

Or am I completely missing someone...Regin , michalek, spezza, latendresse out...zbad and dacosta called up...we started with 13 forwards...so we would be down to 11. Maybe, I've just had too much to drink at dinner.
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+1 #111 hq8 2013-02-14 19:17
guys milo will be back next week
and plz cut this trade talk...nothing is going to happen other than probably young prospect for young prospect and even then its slim pickings.

there is no point in getting a rental, its not worth it for the sens to make that kind of move in a really short season.
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+2 #112 mikep 2013-02-14 19:23
Might to time to call the Yotes, get Runblad back. This year could be used for developement and Runblad could take Gonchar's place next year.
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+3 #113 Sandy 2013-02-14 19:27
Quoting cain69:
I wonder if Murray is going to call EDM and ask about R Whitney as a rentle.
Whitney is no Karalsson but he would fit in perfictly and plug that hole I think.providing Murray can get him very cheeply like a 2nd rd.

I would make that deal providing Ottawa is still in the play off picture

What do you think ?


2nd rounder? for a healthy scratch? How about a 6th or 7th rounder... nothing more than that.. On second thought how about Bo or Gryba?
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+1 #114 NadislavLagy 2013-02-14 20:00
Yeah I think Whitney's available for less. I mentioned his name, and there's clear animosity there - he's not happy not playing, they are clearly not happy with his play. He's a pending UFA, they may just trade him to save $$$ and get him out of there. He's not even an option for EDM right now.
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+3 #115 RUSHRLZ 2013-02-14 20:07
Quoting enretard:
SensChirp: I really enjoy the blog but this Tookie character and his silly flaming is making it a chore.

Please ban him from posting. Until then I will check this site less often, if at all.


Tookie does nothing but bring his own opinions to the table and stand behind what he says with conviction, we all have our opinions and they are subjective - no clear correct or incorrect.

If someone like that, who brings a different perspective, irks you so much on a blog, for god sake man, stay away from the rest of the internet!

Calling to have a multi-year regular banned and threatening to come here less often? Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out pal!

This is a Senators site, not a My Little Pony site.
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+2 #116 Bruno 2013-02-14 20:09
Quoting visser85:
@SensChirp

What about at forward? With Michalek injured last night there is an extra forward spot no?

Zbad-DaCosta-Alfie
Condra-Turris-Silfverberg
Greening-Smith-Turris
? - O'Brien-Daugavins

Or am I completely missing someone...Regin, michalek, spezza, latendresse out...zbad and dacosta called up...we started with 13 forwards...so we would be down to 11. Maybe, I've just had too much to drink at dinner.



Hmmm....you have Turris twice and forgot Chris Neil.
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+1 #117 Floridasensfan 2013-02-14 20:24
So BM more or less said trading Anderson was a crazy idea and he was not considering it.
Good to hear.

Seasons over at least for any reasonable go in the playoffs if we even got there.

I still think we win some games and have some fun to watch hockey but we are not going to set the world on fire.

Our young guys are going to get a ton of ice time, Silverburg Zibby Dacosta and others, we could get a good look at all our prospects to see where they are.

Look at it as a prep year for next year, trade our extras at the deadline for picks, let BM and company work their magic at the draft, pick up a stellar UFA or two at the deadline to get us back to the cap, good to go.

Gonchar would welcome being traded to a contender this year being we are more or less out of contention.
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+1 #118 jaydog 2013-02-14 20:31
a couple thoughts for the off night...

1. first and foremost; today is a good day because erik's tendon was not completely severed. If is was, we are looking at him returning next Christmas as a lesser hockey player.

2. Very sad day for Erik, we was on pace for a Hart and a Norris this year. That would put him in company with only Pronger and Orr.

3. anyone ever consider that Murray is not sold on Lenher? Would he consider riding Andy for 3 more years and moving Lenher (big return).

4. Would Alfie consider a trade to a consider in return for a contract from the sens this summer?

5. This years draft is stacked, we might have just landed a blessing. If we win a top three pick (through the lottery cause I expect us in the bottom 10, not 3) then we could land Drouin, Jones for MacKinnon- those three are "rebuild changers!!)

Let me know your thoughts on this somber EK65 Valentines day!
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-6 #119 ShaunK 2013-02-14 20:45
I'd like to see Murray approach Alfie and ask him if he wants to be moved with the intention of coming home July 1st

I wonder if Chiarelli would be interested. Boston looks like they'll run through the Eastern Conference this year.
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+4 #120 Back checker 2013-02-14 20:49
On a positive note, I thought Benoit played a very complete game last night. Was not on for any goals against, several good defensive plays, moved the puck very well, good judgement on joining the rush
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+4 #121 Scally 2013-02-14 21:05
I think winning the cup (apart from winning the cup with Ottawa) is the last thing on Alfie's mind... I think he'd prefer playing out the year and have his family close to him in Ottawa... I have the impression family is so high on his list, he'd be willing to wave that chance and stick with the only team he's known. I dont see him accepting an offer to play elsewhere for a cup.
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0 #122 Sandy 2013-02-14 21:15
The Sens organization is high on Lehner.

Bishop will be traded at some point...
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+1 #123 SensChirp 2013-02-14 21:52
Was waiting for this. Eugene Melnyk tees off on Matt Cooke...

http://www.ottawasun.com/2013/02/14/senators-owner-eugene-melnyk-outraged-over-loss-of-erik-karlsson
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+1 #124 A Train 2013-02-14 22:18
Quoting SensChirp:
Was waiting for this. Eugene Melnyk tees off on Matt Cooke...

http://www.ottawasun.com/2013/02/14/senators-owner-eugene-melnyk-outraged-over-loss-of-erik-karlsson


As painful as that was to watch last night, imagine what it's like to be Euge.
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0 #125 TheBoss 2013-02-14 22:53
Quoting SensChirp:
Was waiting for this. Eugene Melnyk tees off on Matt Cooke...

http://www.ottawasun.com/2013/02/14/senators-owner-eugene-melnyk-outraged-over-loss-of-erik-karlsson


You know, every time the Euge gets media time, I genuinely hold my breath in hopes he doesn't embarrass himself or get himself fined...

But in this case, I can only imagine how it must feel to be Sens management... especially BM. I just worry that the Euge will breathe down Murray's neck to make some rash trades...
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+1 #126 sensgod 2013-02-14 23:52
I don't want Campoli. Gonchar, Wier, and Benoit can all move the puck decently. What we need is another guy like methot, someone who can add some more jam to the back end.
Why not call up Gryba, give him a look. From what I can tell (meaning I've done very little research)Gryba is having a pretty good season in Bingo.
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+3 #127 111519 2013-02-15 00:17
If Chirp would ever install an ignore feature, tookie and his garbage would be done.

Only problem is Chirp likes him stirring the pot cause it causes more comments

At some point though, Chirp is going to have to decide if he wants a respected blog, or tookie.

After last nights disgusting display of joy from tookie about the severe injury of a young man, you would have thought something would have been done.

unfortunately, we are still exposed to his filth.
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+1 #128 nicholas19 2013-02-15 00:27
i say we look at antipin, what do we have to lose?
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+2 #129 enretard 2013-02-15 01:12
I just have no interest in reading what he has to say. Without him the blog is far more of an interesting read. When people are just bickering because of his silly comments it becomes unpalatable.
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0 #130 Arthur Rex 2013-02-15 01:31
Quoting 111519:



Only problem is Chirp likes him stirring the pot cause it causes more comments

At some point though, Chirp is going to have to decide if he wants a respected blog, or tookie.


INDEED !

Most high quality blogs get rid of the bozos pretty quickly.

Sadly , SensChirp seems to be going the Eklund route - "anything" for page hits.
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+1 #131 1II-11I-II1I 2013-02-15 01:41
Quoting andreasdackell:


tookie seems like a total tool lol,


He is a total tool - nothing to laugh at
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-1 #132 Top6Help 2013-02-15 02:33
Quoting s3nsfan:
Quoting Top6Help:
Trade for Mike Green

Methot Green
Boro Gonchar
Philips PW/Benoit

Next year

Methot Karlsson
Cowen Green
Philips Ceci/Patty/Borocop/Benoit etc


Really? Mike Green, yeah, that's a worth while acquisition, he's a shell of his former self and even that was terrible defensively, no thank you


Guess you dont watch many Caps games ..Alot so called fans here of Hockey lol
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+1 #133 Realist 2013-02-15 04:52
Sometimes I wonder if being a fan is about the thrills of enjoying emotional waves and adrenaline rushes. To feel excitement and disappointment seemingly at the same time. To connect our emotions to those of the team and of the players playing for the team. To feel as if we're a part of the team. Playing for the team.

That's what I always thought being a fan meant.

Or is it to, seeing the response from Tookie, be emotionlessly realistic of the situation and to apply a black and white lens over the picture.

To not be angry with what happened to one of 'our' players in 'our' team and to essentially be bias regardless of logic and rationale of what happened really makes me wonder the definition of a 'fan'.

What happened made me angry. Why? Because I'm an Ottawa Senators fan and one of my guy just got hurt.
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0 #134 Rover 2013-02-15 06:16
Quoting DajaSens:
Before the injury last night, was anyone else thinking that EK would make a great captain after Alfie retires?

Or would that be too much of a slap in the face to Spezza?


Stop gap Neil as captain for two years and then pick the most worthy of the new crop.Spezza would have a hard time arguing Neil's influence on a game when he's motivated.
EK is the obvious choice but does he happen to be a player who is better with a letter?Is his eliteness made more elite? Give Neil a heart and soul guy the interim C and grow our leadership from within our youth.
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+1 #135 Rover 2013-02-15 06:16
On another note...
Sell and draft is my current view(add the players names you see going out).WE may have the best drafting staff in best league in the world. Stock up now I say.WE take a good look at our depth and add more. Bryan and Tim have this organization in the best shape ever.
Our players are hurt but the sky isn't falling...This so called rebuild in spite of our teams injuries suffered may be the best rebuild ever!
I say continue to make it harder for them to win and lets watch them perform...
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+1 #136 jakester 2013-02-15 07:44
First of all, I don't care what anyone says that was a suspendable play. He looked knew who he had in his grasp and drove his skate into his leg with a distinct kicking motion - C'mon! That idiot Shanahan has a grade 5 equivalency - he's a puppet to some Crosby ball sucking Exec in New York.

Secondly, Tookie isn't a SENATOR fan plain and simple. Just an asswipe who gets off for some reason taunting on here. Probably a little Pigman like Kramer was looking for in the Hospital on Seinfeld.

THirdly, time to divest ourselves of some of our Senior talent. Lets stockpile again. Give our young guys some playing time. + Bring up Kramer and Gryba to second Neil in case games get ugly.

OK back to feeling terrible about this year.
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+1 #137 SensChirp 2013-02-15 07:46
Quoting 111519:
If Chirp would ever install an ignore feature, tookie and his garbage would be done.

Only problem is Chirp likes him stirring the pot cause it causes more comments

At some point though, Chirp is going to have to decide if he wants a respected blog, or tookie.

After last nights disgusting display of joy from tookie about the severe injury of a young man, you would have thought something would have been done.

unfortunately, we are still exposed to his filth.

Are you kidding me? I can't stand the guy.

The issue I have is censoring someone for disagreeing with people. When he swears/personal ly attacks other readers it becomes easy, but when he has a different view point than mine? That's where it gets tricky...

I get zero benefit from more comments and people bickering with him, I'm just always hesitant to to ban users and delete comments just because they aren't in line with my personal opinions.

Agreed that last night was over the top and I deleted a few of his comments and asked him to dial it back a bit.

In an ideal world, he tires himself out and moves on to a different site but based on what I've seen from him over the years, I really don't think that's going to happen.
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+1 #138 SNOOPY SENIOR 2013-02-15 08:22
Hey Chirp,

It's about time you chime in on our "negative nancy" hockey "know it all " !!

Thank you for feedback on why Tookie is still posting on your site.

No doubt, he knows hockey more than most of the smart posters on SensChirp, but he never respects a valid opinion, but always puts it down !

I have noticed in past few years, that he disappears, if you knock his argument out
of the ballpark !!
In other words, he will never rebuttal if he is left speechless.

He" turtles just like Cooke" !!!!!
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+2 #139 IcySurfas 2013-02-15 08:23
Quoting The Apostle:
Quoting SensFanInMTL:
As fuckin irate as anyone else here is. Safe to say, everyone here would rather just skip through the rest of the season to hit the entry draft, plain and simple.

You sir, are wrong.

On any given night who is or isn't in the line-up doesn't make me support the team are more or any less.

I'm not an Ottawa fan to watch the draft, I'm an Ottawa fan because I want to watch them play hockey - regardless on which 20 players are dressed.


(starts slow clap, tips Wisers whiskey glass to you and nods...)

You Sir...are bang on. That is the truest emotion I have read on this site in a long time.
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+2 #140 Patrick 2.0 2013-02-15 08:28
God...I hate to say it cause I sound like I'm kissing website owner's ass, but very well put, and exactly how I see it.

It is not the opposing point of view that makes Tookie be tookie...it is when he starts putting useless posts that simply call other people stupid. It's like having a bully in the school yard and does not create a good discussion forum...which last time I checked...this is what this is suppose to be.

I know this is the internet...and people suck. But as the sole moderator, its is Chirp's job to create a healthy discussion environment. He is 100% correct in not banning tookie for his opinion....but getting rid of any inapropriate comments that just calls out other fans pointing out their own opinions.

Mind you...ignore would be nice some times ;)
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0 #141 boom 2013-02-15 08:52
Chirp is doing the right thing, I agree. Rather than run this site like a dictatorship, he leans toward democracy.

There's always a downside, however, to a democracy...

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

Winston Churchill
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+1 #142 SensChirp 2013-02-15 08:54
Quoting IcySurfas:
Quoting The Apostle:
Quoting SensFanInMTL:
As fuckin irate as anyone else here is. Safe to say, everyone here would rather just skip through the rest of the season to hit the entry draft, plain and simple.

You sir, are wrong.

On any given night who is or isn't in the line-up doesn't make me support the team are more or any less.

I'm not an Ottawa fan to watch the draft, I'm an Ottawa fan because I want to watch them play hockey - regardless on which 20 players are dressed.


(starts slow clap, tips Wisers whiskey glass to you and nods...)

You Sir...are bang on. That is the truest emotion I have read on this site in a long time.

Agreed. Loved this post. It's an emotion I struggle with when people start talking about maximizing assets, and stocking up draft picks. I get it, but it's not why I'm a fan.
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0 #143 The Silfver Surfer 2013-02-15 09:04
Yea I never understood the concept of hoping your team tanks to get a high draft pick. First off from the Owner down to the stick boy I'm sure none of them have a "fail for nail" attitude, not in Ottawa anyway, so why should the fans. We need to support the team no matter what! Secondly getting a 1st overall draft pick doesn't mean shit! Just look at Edmonton! It's ridiculous that their not a contending team by now, and I think it's because of low quality management with a "fail for nail" attitude that is holding them back. LIVE IN THE MOMENT! Don't worry about what draft pick you'll get or who to pick until the time comes, play to WIN NOW!
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+1 #144 SNOOPY SENIOR 2013-02-15 09:34
Quoting The Silfer Surfer:
Yea I never understood the concept of hoping your team tanks to get a high draft pick. First off from the Owner down to the stick boy I'm sure none of them have a "fail for nail" attitude, not in Ottawa anyway, so why should the fans. We need to support the team no matter what! Secondly getting a 1st overall draft pick doesn't mean shit! Just look at Edmonton! It's ridiculous that their not a contending team by now, and I think it's because of low quality management with a "fail for nail" attitude that is holding them back. LIVE IN THE MOMENT! Don't worry about what draft pick you'll get or who to pick until the time comes, play to WIN NOW!


Excellent analysis on why "tanking" is not a valid option !

Just checked the Western Conference standings, and Edmonton is in 11th place with record of 5-5-3 with multiple 1st round picks.
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+1 #145 IcySurfas 2013-02-15 09:35
If only Mr Miyagi were still alive, we may have had a miracle worker on our staff. http://www.selfgrowth.com/articles/Heal_On_Mr_Miyagi.html

For you youngins...Im talking Karate Kid ya'll!
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-3 #146 Tookie 2013-02-15 09:37
Quoting SensChirp:

The issue I have is censoring someone for disagreeing with people. When he swears/personally attacks other readers it becomes easy, but when he has a different view point than mine? That's where it gets tricky...


Thx SC for backing me up, the part about you not liking me hurt a bit tho ;)

Its funny how people get they're panties twisted in a knot when you simply disagree with them, then they want a ban and swear at me.

Last time I checked I havent attacked anyone in the last year and only stated facts, the most recent one, a freak injury on Karlsson which was proven many times over to be a hockey play gone wrong. Hell even other GM's and coaches validated this through the Panel on the night itself...Its not like I'm making this shit up...

That and the guy who attacked me regarding a high stick rule, which I was right again....only to have the guy flip out on me for being right...
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-1 #147 Tookie 2013-02-15 09:46
Quoting RUSHRLZ:
Quoting enretard:
SensChirp: I really enjoy the blog but this Tookie character and his silly flaming is making it a chore.

Please ban him from posting. Until then I will check this site less often, if at all.


Tookie does nothing but bring his own opinions to the table and stand behind what he says with conviction, we all have our opinions and they are subjective - no clear correct or incorrect.

If someone like that, who brings a different perspective, irks you so much on a blog, for god sake man, stay away from the rest of the internet!


Wow thx RUSH, never expected that, good to know people here enjoy diff opinions and not always the same old stuff.

And I agree if your threatening SC with a take it or leave it attitude then by all means leave, thats the type of individual we certainly dont need on this blog.
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+1 #148 The Silfver Surfer 2013-02-15 09:56
Quoting Tookie:
[quote name="SensChirp"]

Last time I checked I havent attacked anyone in the last year and only stated facts, the most recent one, a freak injury on Karlsson which was proven many times over to be a hockey play gone wrong. Hell even other GM's and coaches validated this through the Panel on the night itself...Its not like I'm making this shit up...


Claiming what happened to Karlsson being a freak accident as a FACT is quite ridiculous! Just because other peoples OPINION of what happened are the same does not make something a fact! A lot of young girls think Justin Bieber is the greatest artist ever, does that make it a FACT? I sure fucking hope not!We don't know what Cooke was thinking when he took Karlsson into the boards and I do not think he meant to cut Karlsson but I do think it was a reckless play.
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