The Senators official Twitter feed updated during the third period saying that Karlsson's left achilles was cut and he will require surgery. He is out indefinitely.
The Sens were actually pretty solid through 40 minutes but the injury seemed to throw them off. The Penguins scored a couple goals early in the third and coasted to a 4-2 win.
With regards to the play on which Karlsson was hurt...
I won't debate whether or not it was a "dirty" play. It was a bizarre play and I see no need for Cooke's skate to be where it was and it's really difficult to judge intent in a video. I do know that up until he became a "clean" player last season, Matt Cooke was one of the most hated, notoriously cheap players in the NHL. I guess we'll leave it at that.
Losing Erik Karlsson is obviously crippling for this team.
Everything runs through him right now and with Jason Spezza already out until at least April, this is just a ridiculous twist of misfortune for the Senators. It is a loss that hurts the Senators and really the NHL in general. There was no more entertaining player in the league right now. Just brutal.
To add to a rough night for Ottawa, Milan Michalek actually suffered a lower body injury in the warm up and did not play.
Couple days off for the Senators with their next game coming Saturday in Toronto.
https://twitter.com/seangentille/status/301882655228706816/photo/1
The season just couldn't be made more difficult for this team. So many positives when the team finally hit the ice this season...and here we are now.
So angry and frustrated.
That is just how much King Karl meant to this team.
First Cowen, then Spezza, now the leagues most valuable player Erik Karlsson. Add to that the long term injuries to Stone and Hoffman and we just can't get a break.
I'm just waiting for this report to hit the tweet land later tonight.
At the rate we're going, we'll have a full Bingo roster on the ice every game.
"It's Matt Cooke. What else should I say? Watch the replay."
Pretty much is already.
Here is hoping for a full recovery to Eric and Jason.
This year just became a true rebuild for a big push in 13-14. Please, please, please Mr. Murray no trades to try and save this season, lets see how our rookie's play and let pucks fall where they may.
I don't want to see it ever happen but we can probably cue the Alfie trade debate as well :(
If that's a hockey play we'd see it happen dozens of times a season.Nand that's not the case!
I like everyone else hopes that EK will be back to 100% next season.
Worst injury for a guy like Karl.
Latendresse, Michalek, Regin, Spezza, Karlsson, Cowen, Hoffman, Stone.
ABSOLUTELY!
Another star that is out of the lineup due to nagging injuries due to a dirty player.
That's exactly why I'm freaking out...
If we still had Zenon and Carks the team would have responded differently. I'm very disappointed.
This is the wrong attitude if you are a true fan of the team. Sens fans should show up in even greater numbers and show even more support for both the team and Erik through what is going to be a very tough stretch. When someone in your family is hospitalized with an illness, you don't turn away, you visit and send them your well wishes in hopes of a fast, healthy recovery.
TSN poll on if Cooke should receive supplementary discipline.....
GO VOTE
Is there a rule against downward stomping motion with a skate blade?
On another note........our season is over, no chance for playoffs.
Trade Anderson. His trade value will never be this high again....
We can ride Bishop and Lehner from here on out
Tookie you truly are an asshole to come on here to defend that.
Sens fan or not.
lots of players shove skate to skate on the boards but not that high.
Let's hope guys... Ugh.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=415943
Sorry not the same I wish it was he will play again not the same way he will lose a step an some speed
Maybe time for Murray to sign UFAs Campoli and Langkow to help keep the playoff drive alive.
One thing I can say from playing plenty of hockey is that Cooke's motion of lifting the leg and STOMPING down is the most unnatural motion for a hockey player.
If you want to pin him you drive your knee between his legs so he cant skate. The stomping down on the many replays clearly looks like a kick or a stomp.
Do any of really believe he thought he would actually cut his achillies? Probably not, however knowing this idiot the way most people do, he is probably chuckling that he just took out another opponent and bettered his teams chances.
we can never prove the dummy's intent, however we all know exactly what Tookie's intent is, and all I say to you is Shame ON YOU tookie, this is not the right place to gloat when we have just lost the best thing to happen to the Sens since Alfie
SHAME ON YOU!!!
With Karlson and company being injured and as a previous poster has stated is now the time to trade Anderson and get the biggest return and Value for him? They say its a very deep draft.
Can you get a top 5 pick for Anderson and a prospect or roster player?
Just playing from the cards that we are dealt and trying to find some sort of positive in all of this...
Really, LOL, why would he ban me, I'm right and in the same ballpark as the rest of the world.
Listen to the Panel bro, its gonna make you look less like a fool foaming at the mouth.
thinking that he'll never skate the same is a bit dramatic...
Of course you will. Just get out if here. You really add nothing to this site. The majority of people hate you. You get off on that though. You really need to get your rocks off somewhere else.
Cooke is still a bum and Neil should straighten him up on principal next game but there was no intent other than rubbing Karlsson out along the boards with a pin.
I sure hope the don't panic on a deal with O'Reilly. We're snakebit with injuries this year. Let the young guys play and see what happens.
Despite the insane amount of injuries the Sens have, players like Karlsson made watching every game that much more exciting. This is a HUGE loss to the Sens and to the NHL. But of course, nothing will come of a reprimand. Ottawa is too small a market for the NHL to really care. If it were Crosby that this happened to, then this would be a whole other story.
And seriously, don't feed the trolls in here by even quoting them or acknowledging what they post. They feed off of your frustration.
I will never defend Cooke, i don't think he should have been allowed to play a game in the NHL ever again for the Savard hit, i also thought Bertuzzi should have been banned. It doesn't change the fact that this wasn't intentional.
However, I still think Cooke is a worthless piece of shit and I hope that one day he gets what's coming to him.
That's also only part if what the coach said.
Cuz it was a clean hit, freak injury...You dont go bashing heads just cuz you think it was dirty...
Neil looked ridiculous going after Cooke. No class.
Look at the replay, he loses his balance slighlty which lifts his left skate, the impact of the boards bring it down on KK skate.
Tookie - Can I ask you to lay off for one night. Ya know people are going to be riled up. Don't need you making things worse. Thanks in advance.
How was it a clean hit?Stop trying to provoke people Tookie, It's obviously going to be a touchy subject and you come on here with your usual stupid fucking act.
If Karlsson was never even cut in the first place it's not exactly a clean hit. A clean hit is body to body contact and that's not at all what Cooke did here. He was clearly trying to tangle up Karlsson and take his legs out from under him.
Neil stuck up for his teammate and that's all. It wasn't classless, it's what teammates do.
Cooke didnt lift his leg intentionally, he was stick fighting and leaned back a bit losing his balance, lifting his leg...watch the replay.
my question to all sens fans is how many of you are smiling right now?
it should all be clear to all what Tookie's real intentions are.
Will do SC, just saying it was not intentional as per some folks think...
Oh...you mean we were supposed to watch the replay? Thanks for the help. I guess the rest of us in here, and many other hockey fans on other boards are all blind. Thank God for Tookie and his insight.
and to cap it off, here is what the person who actually is the biggest advocate of agressive on-the-edge hockey thinks of cooke:
https://t.co/uzCJeMVZ
there is a reason the penguins got beat up by the islanders last year - its because they are a dirty team. the sens unfortunately are too soft outside of neil. in this league, you win if you are dirty - look at the kings last season - dustin brown obviously took out rosival's knee in that game against PHX.
People are just way upset right now, tomorrow this wont even be news anymore and the conspirecy theorists will be out full throttle but the Panel already said nothing should come of this and nothing will. Its unfortunate but it happens so rarely that its a freak accident.
but hey tookie was in cooke's head and experienced it first hand while cooke lost balance on the boards and decided to use Karlsson's ankle as a supporting stool.
like really lol? wtf?
2011 NFL Defensive Player of the Year lacerated Achilles, surgeons explanation
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-05-03/sports/bs-sp-cowherd-ravens-suggs-qa-0504-20120503_1_outpatient-surgery-nonoperative-treatment-tendon
a) if you are judged to have intentionally injured another player, you cannot return to play until the injured player returns even if you have completed any suspension that has been imposed.
b) if the injured player cannot return to play but authorises your return, one half of your salary will be given to the injured player (Bertuzzi clause).
This isnt as severe as it once was years ago - yes, not ideal but to say he will never be the same again is far fetched. He will be fine, its just a matter of how long he will be out for - hopefully nothing more than 3-4 months til he is skating again. These guys have the best surgeons, the best doctors, the best for rehab - the best of everything. The org knows that this is their franchise player and they will make sure he has the best - period.
He probably did a lot of damage trying to skate on it.
I wouldnt trade him. Why bother - he still has two years after this year and is the best goalie in the NHL right now.
I laugh at fans that want to trade a guy who is probably the only bonafide star goalie theyve ever had - all to rush a kid who will be good (Lehner). My plan would be this with Anderson, keep him until at least next years deadline, but likely longer. Let Lehner play 25-35 games next season and see how he does - then make a decision.
Quoting Scally:
Seguin and Hamilton for Kessel!!!
that we all know was definitely intentional
I know Murray he will make some trades now just keep interest Anderson is the best in the NHL im sure we can get back some good players
hahahah yup
on a serious note, cooke said he didnt mean to injure cole, didnt mean to injure savard, obviously did not mean to injure donovan (remember that knee-on-knee). hell he probably didnt even mean to check karlsson......i t just happened.
i hate the rangers, but i hope they absolutely destroy the penguins this year now.
However, I would have to expect a massive discussion in the NHL offices over what to do with repeat offender, Cooke considering his reckless play has already ended a very skilled players career.
There was no question watching the replay that there was a downward thrust of his left leg and that unnessecary act caused injury.
All I can hope for at this point is that Karl heals 100% and comes back to play his awesome style of exciting play. I was a huge Cam Neely fan and to watch him go down in his prime is not something I want to see for one of my favourite players to watch play the game again.
Tough loss. The game. The best defensemen in the league. Freak accident? video.senators. nhl.com/videoce nter/co…— Craig Anderson (@CraigAnderson 41) February 14, 2013
Im as big a fan of the Sens and EK as anyone, but seriously - pull your head out from the sand, there is no way he intended to do that. It was a freak accident or at worst a slew foot gone wrong.
Would I like to punch Cooke in the face? Yes. But more so cuz he is just a loser - not because of this incident. This is just a freak accident - end of story.
No need to tank boys. The lack of everything this team was will do the favour for us without intentionally losing.
He simply skates away avoiding like he is leaving the seen of a crime.
At the very least you would have expected him to look down with some curiosity as to what had just happened.
He has the look of a guilty culprit!
I now cannot stand those Pens!
@ian_mendes
"To think that Alfredsson may have played his last game with Karlsson is a sad thought for Sens fans."
P.S. You are a piece of shit.
P.P.S. Go sens Go
i think the sens need to get nasty - either thru personnel change or just a change in their own style of play. they may have gotten too soft. it may not have been intentional, but the sens response to the pens was still lacking in the third. it cant only be neil who goes after cooke and all the pens.
If it's any consolation, Noesen can be called as an emergency call up, along with Ceci. Don't think it's worth burning a year from those 2 young prospects. Plus I don't want those guys' careers being in jeopardy when we play the Pens again. Please ban Cooke forever and all will be well.
Karlsson will be fine by the time training camp roles around next september.
i think neil held back a little.
Karlsson will surely get the best and least invasive surgery available but the recovery will still take some time.
I actually want to say thank you for that.. I just laughed for the first time since the second period.
Almost everything that could go wrong has gone wrong. First Cowen. Then Spezza. Then that TOTAL BS of a no-goal call in Montreal that stripped us of points. Then continued poor refeereing. Then the no-puck-to-mesh call tonight. Then Karlsson.
I know everything went right last season, but damn.
Tryin' to get over it
He gets off by stirring the pot, he does it to make up for other short comings in his life.
You shouldn't hate him, you should feel sorry for the pathetic man he is.
Imagine, finding glee only through another persons pain.
Speedy recovery Erik.
No class? You injure the best defenseman in the league and your teammate tries to be loyal by at least trying to defend him? Dude.... Neil's been a fuckin soldier since day 1 and will most likely retire as a Sen. Not to mention, if he doesn't step up, who will? We are fortunate to have such a fuckin loyal soldier manning up. Karlsson may never be the same ever fuckin again. You understand what any of this means?
Cooke should have been banned a long time ago, and the fact that he cowards away from Neil. What a disgrace... Shows to me he was targeting Karlsson all along...
I don't put much stock into what you say. In sure it was hard but this guy will get beyond the best treatment. He will be fine in 4-6 months. Likely will have discomfort for some time but he will dominate again when back.
Love the positivity. +1
But to add to that, Mike Hoffman and Mark Stone- two players that would have gotten looks, are still weeks away because of injuries.
Go figure.
Hoping to see those two sometime this season.
sens need to do this to the penguins.
Trade Gonchar, Michalek, and Bishop at the Trade deadline for the highest picks you can get, and maybe we could be picking twice in the top 10.
I don't care how long it takes for him to recover, I just hope to God he can get back to being possibly the best defenseman this league has ever seen.
I don't care what happens to Cook, Ottawa should have retaliated against one of Pittsburg's best players. You can say that's classless, or petty, but frankly, I'm tired of being the franchise that other teams walk all over. Funny, isn't it, how all of our worst injuries seem to happen against Pittsburg.
Last season we were 100% healthy (not a lot of LTIR) and rolling on all cylinders. This year Spezza gets his back issues again and Fly 65 gets grounded.
Not to put too much stock into Karma, but Alfie saying he'd pick the next Pope was asking for trouble...so was all the G-d stuff.
This is actually MASSIVELY beneficial for us as it lets us...lets us...TEST OUR DEPTH. B-Murr has been stocking us up, let's just play the youngzies.
This wasn't our year to cotend anyway so why worry about it? Just play out the string...
TOOKIE100%RIGHT OUT!
1. Surgery is required as mentioned, but it hasn't been released how serious it is(100% cut through? 75%? 50%? 20?), so wanna be doctors lay off until the full extent of the cut is known because the severity will affect how long he is out
2. for those worried about long term effects: Temu Selanne
3. Like someone said earlier and I agree 100%, NOT intentional, but DEFINITELY reckless.
4. we just lost the league MVP so this year just got a lot harder. But, we've also got the MVP runner up (Anderson) and a coach that will get the guys playing a great team game that doesn't rely on one or two guys. I have faith in the Paulrus. He doesn't believe in quit so there won't be any tanking, and Murray is too smart to blow up the rebuild so don't expect a panic trade
5. I'm flying in from Calgary to see the Jets game on St. Patty's day, was gonna show my 3 month old son Karlsson in person for the first time, absolutely devastated.
Ottawa could easily start next season with:
Mechalek-Spezza-Silf
Perry-Getzlaf-Turris
Zibby-Smith-????
????-O'Brien-Neil
Karlssen-Methot
Phillips-Cowen
Weircoch-Benoit
Lehner
Bishop
Less than 1% chance Getzlaf comes to Ottawa. He wouldnt want to play second fiddle to Spezza and vice versa
What's the point though? If we trade Anderson we have a legit shot at halting this rebuild a year early with 3 potential first rounders! I do not think playoffs are in this teams best interests this year.. Seriously..
All Depends on Karlsson Injury, if he can come back before playoffs like Spezza then we have to try and push for the playoffs no question and since we are there for the playoffs still, we have to keep pushing to see if we can stay there. We are rebulding yes, but the point of rebuilding if letting your younger players play and if they step up we can make the playoffs still. I still have hope. I rather see them try for the playoffs than Bomb.
TOOKIE100%RIGHT OUT![/???
Get over yourself.
We don't know anything about the injury yet. Some specialists claim that if the injury to the achilles is minor (frayed or ruptured) then it's an easier repair and rehab is not as long as you'd think (motionless boot for two weeks then rehab can start - slowly but at the patients pace).
We're not dead in the water as some of you claim. That completely discredits the rest of the guys on this team.
I, for one, fully expect that the guys play their hearts out from this point forward. Now they have something to prove even more than before.
GO SENS GO!
Methot-Gonchar
Phillips-Lundin
Weircoch-Benoit
call up Boro again...
So, do the Sens put both Spezza and Karlsson on IR? How does that affect our cap? I think we are just over the cap floor so will that penalize us to have them out? What about call ups? Are we already at the max number of players? Has anyone heard what happened to Michalek?
So many questions!
I'm anxious to find out how bad the laceration was. Get well soon Erik! Watching hockey won't feel the same until he's back!
When was the last time a hockey team lost 3 players of the calibre of Spezza, Karlsson, and Cowen to season ending injuries? Just unreal.
Leafs jerseys are blue.
Yours has "Phaneuf" on it,
So I don't like you.
I was also wondering about the cap...
For a very rare time, I agree with Tookie's assessment of the accident with Karlsson.
Not too many players are out of the game with an injury to Achillles Tendon.
Matt Cooke has reformed himself in past 2 years. He is not as vicious as he was.
This was a freak accident, and it is so rare, that the only player I can recall
being out for a long time, with same injury, was Rocket Richard??
Sure that some players have had same injury, but not often for sure.
Cooke doesn't stumble when bringing his left skate down means he was keeping his balance with his right foot and was intentionally using the left blade to slice the back of EK's leg.
Didn't happen to Selanne?
If I'm Murray, you continue with the plan just as if EK65 and Spezza were playing.
You can head hunt and look for the big decapitating hit which is technically a "hockey play" Its common place in the game and dates back so long
Cooke who changed his game completely last year with what like 20 pims? Doesn't go out for big hits anymore, and you think he is malicious enough to want to slice someones leg with his skate?
No way
Careless and he really didn't need to go in that aggressively. But no way he went into the corner looking to injure Karlsson with his skate or pin his leg to ruin his knee
I just can't buy someone being that malicious
I've said it earlier, and will continue to say it; Cooke is still responsible for the outcome of his reckless actions in last nights game, and it should be suspendable. The reckless and malicious nature of his play makes him liable for his actions. Control your stick. Control your body. If you can't do so, and you cause harm to another player, you should be reprimanded for your actions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6czr5MvxNJs
I look at Chicago's roster, I look at Ottawa's
Probably doesn't matter if Karlsson is healthy or not!
Actually a good point. An accidental high stick is automatically a 2 min or 4 min penalty. You have to be in control of your stick at all times
Same should be for your skate which is much more dangerous
Now with Spezz + EK65 out for ~the season plus, I am starting to wonder what sort of return we could get for him.
If we could get a solid player or prospect in return + a high first rounder, I would be tempted for sure.
The chances of us making the playoffs this year just went down the toilet. We should consider going with Lehner/Bishop splits, all prospects at forward with the exception of Alfie, Michalek, Latts, Neil and have Gonch, Phillips, Methot anchoring a bunch of prospects on the blue line.
Get everyone in, let everyone gain experience. Maybe in return for Andy and also finishing low in the standings we could be staring at two really high picks this draft, and have an ass load of money to lure free agents this summer...
This is where a rebuild can really come together.
Sorry, I posted this in relation to Cooke's past history...
If not we will gladly take a 2nd rounder for him
I don't think he went into the hit thinking this is my chance to sever his tendon, but I don't understand why he brings his skate up so high. That play happens all the time without the skate a foot and half off the ice. Even with Ward's analysis on TSN, he shows an example where both skates never even leave the ice. Cooke uses his leg to sweep him into the boards and pin him and brings his skate way up in the process. it was a reckless, pointless play. Karlsson's injury was completely avoidable.
So let's just cancel the whole season. Better yet let's move the team to Quebec City since the Hawks are so good and we have lost the NHL's MVP.
What a STUPID comment to make.
Why don't we just build a rocket ship and start a new league on the moon. we can use rocks as pucks and alien bones for sticks
Good idea! what a STUPID comment to make.
completly agreed
Where does this "most exciting player in the league" fantasy come from??
you guys must not watch very much hockey outside of the Senators
even so, karlsson is only the 2nd most exciting player in Ottawa, so you must just be confused
I just don't understand why the god damn play was not called dead, and why there was a penalty since as mentioned, skates as even more dangerous than sticks.
Your opinion. I watch plenty of hockey on Gamecenter. My opinion is valid, deal with it.
ok, dealt with! I just went to the opinion bureau, they officially changed your opinion to INvalid..
that was easy
1 - it is the notorious villian Cooke (aka the Joker from Batman )
2 - he was upset that Goncar shot the puck and hit him
3 - When the fuk is kicking and stomping a hockey play?
4 - is he a surgical genious that meant to slice his tendon... probably not, but did he mean to kick him absolutley... does he really give a ratst ass of the outcome?... absolutely not!
This guy should have been taught his lesson long ago, and now we have just lost the most exciting D-man in the NHL since Paul Coffee!
but at least we can still watch that SOB Cooke do his crap!
As some have mentioned, I am really sick and tired of always being on the recieving end of these type of incidents.
the season is lost, lets be the initiators for a change, and do what the leafs did to us just before the playoffs when they took out Alfie and Fisher in the last game of the season!
Broad Street Bullies 2013!
Cmon man
haha there wasn't much i could do there chirp, he got me into a corner
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=415971
So he's back in the lineup last night and as if he never missed a beat, he nets a hat trick in a 7-4 romp over a very hot stars team. Personally I think he would still look great on our top line. Just saying.
Was he trying to be rough on the play and give him a bit of a stomp? ABSOLUTELY in my opinion. That was not a natural lowering of the foot motion, not to contain the other player or to scramble for balance or for anything. That was an intent to hurt him.
Typical brainless NHL... take a slapshot and accidentally hit someone in the head, and its 5 minutes
stomp and kick with a skate as dangerous as a sword, and get approvals
Fuking NHL is run like an organized crime family!
If a there's a high stick, intentional or not, you automatically get a 2 or 4 if there's bleeding.
Why can't we have something similar for skate incidents? No call, no fine, no suspension.
Let's just hope for a 100% recovery for King Karl.
Unfortunately the only person to know is the douchebag Cooke.
That being said, and not being biased due to being a Sens fan, you watch the replay and his foot comes down with force (stomping down motion). The way they were going into the boards and Cooke off balance, if he was losing complete balance he would have fallen on his ass.
If I slip on the ice outside, I don't suddenly stomp my feet to ground...
The NHL is doing all the wrong things right this year!
At this point in time I think that should be the only thing that matters. i am confident he will be able to come back... he will most likely be seeing the best doctors in the World.
dont care about trades or moves. April 22nd, i want this sens team to pulverize the penguins - and not with goals.
yea: DARREN KRAMER. Gryba is a nasty piece of work too. Borocop loves to hit. Jack Downing i think is also a mean piece of work.
Ben Blood still in the system? lol
I don't think we should retaliate with a hired gun
Next game we need to play them hard, and i think it would mean so much more if a greening type player just went toe to toe with someone
From within, show support, unity and then move on
Like Jamaal Mayers vs Raffi Torres this year
Like McKenzie said last night, depending on the severity of the laceration, it will be repaired but will never have the same flexibility/mov ement it once had.
Karlsson was unique because of his agility, speed and acceleration (+ others of course). This is troublesome.
My hope right now is that the injury is only minor, and that Sens representatives were being vague and only saying surgery required trying to get a harsher punishment on cooke.
I really don't think you could ever determine intent, unless the player comes out and says "yeah I totally meant to stomp the sucker". That being said, you have to be responsible for all parts of your body and the equipment attached to you i.e. stick helmut and skates. Do injuries happen on hockey plays? of course. Should we suspend a player every time they injure another player, purposely or not? no off course not. But when a player has routinely shown no regard for the safety of the players on the ice around him, he should be held accountable for reckless behaviour that results in a devastating injury to the opposing player. How many star players will this league allow Matt Cooke destroy before they step in and say cut the shit. Leopards don't change their spots, they just blend in to their surroundings.
I like the pens, but I don't like Cooke. Crosby was the Victim of a so called " Accident " in 2010 on the bigest stage of them all. Nothing happened either to the player of washington. This league is a joke at times !
Glad people slept on it and woke up with clearer heads.
Like the panel said, the NHL will look at this, remove the names and look to see if it was an illegal play, the panel and most coaches and GM's they talked to the night of the play all said it was freak accident, hockey play gone wrong.
So the play was not illegal, the NHL wont even look further into this.
Neil might get fined.
Luckily the injury doesnt seem to be as severe as most of you think, which is VERY good news.
Not true you can hit a guy in the face with your follow through, its not a penalty at all.
It doesn't seem to be as severe? Did you hear anymore news about it?
Quoting Tookie:
Source? Not being a douche, I just really want to read some good news...
Umm problem, nobody will offer a 2nd for Gonchar...haha a 4th maybe.
Come deadline day the importance of a "puck moving dman who can play PK with a cup ring wont be undervalued lol"
I agree right now hes a 4th, but some team will pony up a 2nd
Great post! Honestly, take a look at Cooke's history of targeting elite players and then question intent...just Youtube his low-light reel of cheap shots and injury causing plays.
Obviously, I told u that last night. So did the Panel and 29 other coaches and GM's.
Devastating for the Sens. I hope this doesnt mean Spezza rushes back. I wonder if they consider shutting Spezza down if April rolls around and we're out of the playoff picture (we will be)
Think about how much the offense has struggled without Spezza. Now without Karlsson we'll be hopeless
Tookie, I don't hate you like a lot of people here do, but seriously dude, go back and do some work.
They hit the boards people, that forces anything to come down, Cooke's left was in the air for balance while stick fighting and bumping for position, when they hit the boards, skate came down. Simple as that, the NHL and 29 other GM's saw it the same way.
Even the Calgary game had plenty of examples of this pin check, its a hockey play. Get over it, the Sens will, so should you.
so everybody else in the hockey world has no idea what they are talking about i guess...
most players in the league and almost all of the NHL analysts have been saying since the start of the season he's the most exciting player in hockey today? what a silly statement.
Not every offence in the league is of Pittsburgh quality and we still outplayed and out chanced the pens last night, even after Karlsson went down. Fortunately, we only have to play the Pens once more this season. Other than that the only "tough games" we will play will be against Boston and NYR. There are really no other offensive threats in the East other than (BOS, NYR, PIT) so we're still in the thick of it.
There is still a lot of hockey to play and we still have a lot of depth/character.
GO SENS GO!
Thanks! It's definitely coming from an emotional place but I think it's true.
Yeah your probably right, might even be the Pens, that would eb awesome for the Sens, get as many picks as you can for our vets.
Alfie to CHI for a 1st
Gonch to PIT for a 2nd
Anderson to anywhere for a 1st
Zib, Michalek, + prospect for Perry.
Do it up!
Having played many sports at a high level there are very few accidents. This is as simple as a cheap attempt to take his legs out from under him gone horribly wrong.
I hope next time we face them we dress the toughest team we can and dummy Cooke at every opportunity.... then after the game it is over.
I imagine just about any deal Murray was discussing is off the table now, and he will be adjusting for a team that will struggle to compete every game.
We have who for our next game? Alfie, Turris, Anderson, Methot?!?1
Yikes...Sure we have others, but they are really the only studs left, our other forwards are good, but Silf, Zibby are way to young to be heavily relied on.
To Quote the great Jeremy Roenick...
"Wake the fuck up NHL, wake up!"
ACHILLES™ hybrid socks
Sedin Sisters both wear them.
Actually, you're wrong.
But you should be used to that by now.
They hit the boards people, that forces anything to come down, Cooke's left was in the air for balance while stick fighting and bumping for position, when they hit the boards, skate came down. quote]
Of course you're right Tookie. Everytime I find myself losing balance on the ice, i lift one foot in the air...makes perfect sense.
Who wants to see the Michalek, Phillips, Gonchar and average joe's Sh*t show
Ever seen dodgeball you slag
He did change, he had ONLY 22 penalties (mostly trip, hook, slash) last year, no suspensions and 19 goals! If thats not reformed not sure what is.
Also your looking at it totally biased. The NHL doesnt even look who the players are, they first determine if the play was illegal and go from there. The play was a routine hockey pin check.
But i'm done talking about this, obviously the NHL got it right and its GM's and coaches & analysts backed it up.
But... I do not think this was an intentional play, it looked to me like Cooke was placing his left leg inbetween Karlsson's legs to pin him to the boards. But he kinda went off balance and unfortunately his skate cut Karlsson. It's a freak accident, Cooke didn't do it on purpose in my opinion.
We need to suck it up as a fan base, and the team does to. I was a little surprised to see the Senators respond to the incident the way they did. Was rather embarassing...
This could be a blessing in disguise though... we were never a contender for the cup, especially with so many injuries to our club this season already. Maybe this will solidify ourselves to have a high draft pick this year!
Go Sens go!
Dont question me you fool...
60.1 High-sticking - A “high stick” is one which is carried above the height of the opponent’s shoulders. Players and goalkeepers must be in control and responsible for their stick. However, a player is permitted accidental contact on an opponent if the act is committed as a normal windup or follow through of a shooting motion. A wild swing at a bouncing puck would not be considered a normal windup or follow through and any contact to an opponent above the height of the shoulders shall be penalized accordingly.
Take a seat...
Ill definatly tune into saturdays game because i think if we beat the laffs with all our top players out it would be so hilarious.
Hipsters hated the term before everyone else started to.
They're still pros, no need to get pissy. But by all means keep those cracks coming.
Or else what? Don't make me laugh.
You're a punk kid that loves to troll, have been for years.
You bring nothing of value to this board.
The only reason you still get reactions is because Chirp hasn't implemented an ignore function (yet). You would already be talking to yourself if it were the case.
Now do us all a favour and go play in traffic.
Here's to a fast recovery. And we will triumph over this all.
Your so full of it, and if you did play hockey at a high level you would know this is fact. Anytime you lose your balance or are on the end of your back blades your feet will come up in attempt to regain balance.
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Tookie's M.O.
He selectively ignores valid counter-argueme nts
and when he makes a mistake in a post or
paints himself into a corner he'll explain that you actually
misunderstood what he meant.
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Tookie: It's not going to rain today.
(starts raining)
Tookie: I meant in Japan
(quick Internet search shows it's raining in Japan)
Tookie: Yeah but it's tomorrow already in Japan
(more Internet searching shows it's been raining in Japan for four days)
Tookie: I meant the other Japan
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Sure little one.
When was the last time you saw a high-stick not get called because it was 'accidental'? Please, enlighten us mere mortals.
You're just filler we need to go through to get to meaningful posts.
Karlsson and Spezza will both be back but can you imagine if they return to have MacKinnon/Monoh an/Drouin or Jones to play with. Along with maybe Perry...
Wow. Now's our chance to make up for not landing Landeskog.
Slack for Mack!
Jonesin for Jones!
I sorta agree with what you said, but definitely not the comment about Tookie being right!!
Sweeping your leg up and using your skate on his calves to pin a guy isnt routine. However, leveraging your knee between the legs without lifting your skate so dramatically, is.
Trying to argue intent is pointless because you aren't in Cooke's head. But Karlsson is out because of a reckless play and that is all there is to it.
Hopefully the Sens rebound with a new found sense of purpose and anger and punish the fuck out of every single player out there the rest of the way.
Best case scenario, the remaining players learn to win with what they have and then get their top two players back to make them a true powerhouse.
Worse case scenario is we get a decent draft pick.
But nothing replaces not being able to watch Karlsson for what is likely going to be a long, long time.
Doesnt matter how many times it happens, its not a penalty and is a REAL rule.
Pronger is one example.
Adding insult to injury.
Dreger tweeted something about it.
I like "No winnin' for Mackinnon!" Haha
Hopefully the Sens and rest of league start wearing kevlar undergarments.
ANyways, im curious. who do ppl think Methot will be paired with now and what will the Sens powerplay look like?
Haha nice thats a good one too!
Haha a couple hours after you said it.
Well Gonchar for 1 will be on the #1, I would say maybe Benoit or Wiercioch maybe?
Benoit Methot
Wiercioch Gonchar
Phillips Lundin
yeah i was thinking the same. benoit seems to be the only good fit left for methot (on paper anyways). maybe wiercoch though too.
I know, Dregs is so slow posting his tweets.
I've been day-dreaming of getting a big player, running Cooke to the boards, and descimating him. Or big open-ice hits, (A clean hit — A Chris Niel type hit. Hard. Borderline. But Legal) simillar to a car hitting a brick wall.... and then doing the same thing to Crosby and Malkin....
And then during the intermission period, have that player use the same quote GM Shero has said :
Player: "I feel horrible for Matt Cooke/Sidney Criesby--I mean Crosby/Malkin, I feel bad for Pitsburgh. It's a bad feeling. But I can't rationalize where that was a dirty play or anything with intent. Our fan base knows how it feels to lose a star player. It's emotional. I know how it feels like. It's just very unfortunate.
I would not be defending myself if I thought it was a dirty hockey play."
Funny to see Tookie have one of the few optimistic outlooks on here.
Whether Cooke had intent or not really doesn't matter at his point, it happened, EK is injured, it devastates the season, all we can do is hope for a speedy recovery and make the best of a bad situation.
Don't trade Anderson, he will play even the worst team out of the bottom 3.
Hopefully Murray can make some trades and get a pick for a player who Karlsson will hand cups to for years to come.
No doubt, he's been stellar back there, real physical and not many mistakes. One thing is for sure he's going to see alot less 2 on 1's as Karlsson was always in the off zone!
I'm wondering whether he would be more willing to take on a little extra salary with twelve million sitting on IR?
I dont want to trade Anderson either but his value is off the charts right now, we could easily get a 1st + prospect for him.
Tough decisions ahead for the Execs!
Hossa on Berard is another we should all remember. I believe a penalty was called on the play, but should not have been.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdyHVGPdwT4
Won't happen till we are well out of the playoffs I'd say.
Team 1200
Now, I frequently read lips during games and as EK was skating off he clearly yelled: " aaahhhhh oooowwww FUCK! Fucking COOKE!! FUCK!" then threw his stick.
Time and time again you see 2 players go into the boards the way Cooke and EK did. I can't remember this EVER happening. I fully agree that Cooke didn't pre-meditate or plan this, But WTF was his foot doing a foot and a half off he ice? it was clearly reckless and careless by a repeat offender, reformed or not. Nailer made him pay a little. It was nice to see Cooke spitting blood as he skated off. That last left was spot on! I think its Wiercioch's time to shine now, Gonch to lead. Time for the whole team to come together and once again prove the naysayers wrong
Hopefully this doesn't affect him long term...
We had Spezza, Karlsson, Cowen in the lineup last year. All having insane years and we finished 8th...Now all of them are gone for the year... do the math.
I was super pissed off last night. Even more pissed off when I read all of the comments on here, mostly because I started to agree with all the doom and gloom.
Today, I'm singing a different tune. Yeah it sucks to have Karl out. It sucks huge elephant balls. This team, however, has proved a few times over now that they treat adversity with a big F U. Although we won't have the joy of watching Karl skate 200 feet anymore this season, it will still be exciting to see who steps up in his absence.
First test? The Laffs on Saturday. I live in TO. EVERYONE is talking about how the Laffs are going to have a cake walk on Saturday. Hopefully the Sens hear this talk and prove them wrong.
Play a team game. Keep it simple. Don't take unnecessary risks. More cliche phrases.
Go Sens GO!!
@ Tookie,
Granted his value is at an all time high,
but, I do not see Murray trading Anderson
cuz, he is worth a lot more in our net, than for a forward or defencman today.
With all our players back next year, we need him, to make a Stanley Cup run with Alfredsson, who is thinking of playing next season.
Tookie is the biggest douche here outside of ZipZap. All he ever does is attack people's comments or complain about the sens. Never anything even close to positive.
That said, he is correct about the no penalty call on high stick if its on a follow through of a shot. Perfect example is Hossa nearly taking out Berrards eye way back in the day. People all over the league said it was careless but it didn't warrant a penalty or suspension.
Same goes for cookes play. He is the epitamy of a dirty player and that was a very dirty play. However it does not warrant a suspension
but it is completely unacceptable to absolve him of responsibility of what he did. especially with his history - reformed for a year or not. Cooke is intentionally reckless, thats a proven fact and thats enough for him to injure players repeatedly.
therefore, he could have done his check differently - like every other normal forechecking player does in this league.
i hope the sens make the penguins payback and payback hard next time they play. the sens have been pushed around by the pens too many times every since we handed them their asses in the 1st rd in 2007. its time to change that.