Free agency is still an option on defence but right now, it looks like Murray would rather wait and see how the young guys perform early in the season.
When it comes to goaltending, Murray said that the team won’t base the decision solely on contracts. This is good news for Robin Lehner, who many assume will be the odd man out because of his two way contract. It is going to be really hard for MacLean to differentiate between Bishop and Lehner without any preseason games but that’s the reality of this shortened season.
Will be interesting to see how the crease shakes out in Ottawa to start the season.
When asked about numbers, Murray suggested that the team could carry as many as 22 or 23 players to start the season. That will mean two or three healthy scratches to start the season on Saturday afternoon. With only 26 players in camp, Coach MacLean will have the luxury of carrying a couple extra bodies to start the season.
Assuming Cody Ceci and Stefan Noesen are returned to Junior and the team only carries two goalies, MacLean may not even need to cut a skater before the season opener.
SUCK IT PHANEUF!
24/24?
28/20?
32/16?
Look at the Canucks picking up FA defenseman.
Will try to set something up tonight or tomorrow. Stay tuned.
I was so mad during the lockout.. but being at SBP for a Sens practice.. got that great hockey feeling back. A little chat with Cyril Leeder & Eugene Melnyk helped that along as well.
I think the reason there is no practice on Wed is because of a Season Ticket Holder event that evening.. starting @ 4:30 until about 9:00.
So appears no imminent trade for a D as Murray says none really available. We all assume he will go for a young NHL ready defensemen..
Oilers traded for Mark Fistric. Now I must admit I know nothing about this player... is he any good?
Also, Bishop's contract is up this year. Will he be an RFA or a UFA this summer?
according to capgeek he's RFA
He's been a 20+ point D in Manchester the last 2 years. If BM plans to keep many of the D from Bingo up in Ottawa, that leaves Bingo somewhat depleted, especially since Eckford was put on waivers.
Ottawa will need to fill those positions, so no doubt they pick up a few FA D to play in the A. That could also be why Jessiman was waived, to make room for a few FA D as replacements.
Players claimed on waivers must stay up with the big club. To send Hickey to Bingo, he would have to go on waivers again and LA would get first crack at him. Re-entry waivers have been removed this year to allow call ups without losing the rights to a player. So unless Murray thinks Hickey is a better option than Benoit, Boro and Wirecock, he won't be plucking Hickey off waivers.
I'm in for that, if it happens.
Oh good to know. I'll be honest, Waivers and re-entry, all that confuses the F out of me.
I think the waivers (most teams had them today) were more or less done for players that are AHL waiver eligible and won't be playing in the NHL this season. Don't they do this at the beginning of every NHL season? There is nothing on the B-Sens website about Jessiman/Lawson /Eckford being sent anywhere. Maybe just 'paperwork'?
I think due to age or games played, Eckford and Jessiman have to clear waivers before they are allowed to stay in the AHL. The rule is to allow guys with two way contracts a chance to play in the bigs if their current team doesn't give them the opportunity. That doesn't apply to entry level deals of course.
I'm going to say Gonchar. I'm using the old 'final contract year' train of thought. He'll play in the top 4, do very well and produce at a decent pace. All of this to help gain one final contract going into free agency.
We're going to need some FA D help eventually though. Hopefully they'll buy someone decent for our third re-build year. It'd be fun to make a FA splash, as much as our owner talks about not doing that anymore.
I don't know anything about Hickey. But knowing that D are a hot commodity right now, you'd think he would have to be pretty bad and not worth a late round pick for Lombardi to expose him to twenty nine other teams for nothing.
Just got some sweet seats for a family outing to our Hockey Day in Canada game! It's nice to have some Sens hockey back!
I have leaf fans at work even believing me that he will be more than the hype.
I believe there are 29 players in camp including the 3 goalies, Maclean will have to cut at least 3 players from the roster & one goalie. Ceci & Noesen will be returned to junior, Maclean has already said neither junior player will get an NHL game. And likely either Hoffman or one of the 3 Bingo defencemen & Lehner will be cut. I wonder when the cuts start?
Really will boil down to how quickly he and Spezza/Milan develop chemistry.
I have been told I am nuts, but I have him in just about everyone of my pools, and am hoping to be forced to keep him!
I'm going to go a bit crazy and say Greening, Smith and Condra. I think Greening will show some nice growth in his game, though his numbers may not get as high and I think Condra can only go up or out of the NHL. Smith should bounce back at least some.
I would love this but he's got some very stiff competition this year including Yakupov, Schultz, Tarasenko, Granlund etc...
there is alot of high end talent taking prominent roles this year.
Agreed, and if Dougie Hamilton gets 20+mins a night, he could be in the convo too. There's probably a list of 25 players who could actually win it this year.
His advantage is he has played against men for 2 years now, plays both ways which will increase his ice time, and he's playing with Spezza. I wouldn't be surprised if Silfverberg wins the Calder. I think Schultz might be his biggest competition.
Did Tarasenko come over from the KHL for this season?
I agree re: Condra - Smith - Greening. That could potentially be the Sens 4th line. That's has some grit and some scoring threat..
I'm not concerned with the forwards.. or the goaltending. Defense... well it's a wait and see.
This team is still in year 2 of it's re-build or re-tool.. so let the young guys play.
Tarasenko has been playing in the KHL against men since he was 16. He's 21 now! Just saying.
Tarasenko did indeed come over. He's got the toughest coach for a rookie, but his skill level and 2way game should fit in nicely in St Louis.
Agreed on the young guys!
I'm not disputing the fact that the SEL and KHL are good leagues, but there is almost NO hitting. If these players had played in the AHL while teenagers, the fact that they played against men would be relevant because they would have proven they can take a hit, but any advantage gained by playing agaisnt men in the SEL or KHL is minimal and negated by the fact that they still need to learn how to play on the smaller ice surfaces in the NHL.
Remember Rundblad? He's still learning...
Not a complete answer, but capgeek has the Sens with 51 players signed to contracts across all levels. The junior ones I believe slide or don't count towards the 50 ... depending on the language in the new CBA. So my guess is around 47-48 minus anyone who was waived and picked up today.
http://www.capgeek.com/senators/
See post # 13 for why they won't claim him off waivers.
that we already have though...
it's the 3-4 spot that's open.
Said he has a couple of deals on hold in another breath
To answer who is going to be most improved this season, Kyle Turris is my guess.
I hope Latendresse blows us away with phenomenal play.
Methot - Karlsson
Gonchar - Hickey/Wiercioch
Phillips - Boro?
Is it great no, but it gives a possible stop gap, and we see what we have going forward. If we find that neither wiercioch or boro, or in that case, hickey, are cut for the NHL, then we know we need to work FOR SURE on trading and drafting more D. Its the only way to answer the questions on our bubble players. And the best way to ensure you get one that is good, is to have a bunch try out, and push each other on a daily basis. Go for it Murray!
I actually believe Murray may keep all 3 goalies for the start of the season. I think you will see Lehner getting the first few starts (believe it must be under 5 in this shortened season before year is burnt). Once those 5 games are over, he will be sent back down for the remainder of the season. After the season (depending how we do), One of Bishop or Anderson will be traded to make room for Lehner. I know people will Sh1t on me for saying this but if Bishop plays well as a backup, I think we should trade off Anderson as we will get the most return from him.
Bishop and Lehner as 1a and 1b would be unreal. This coming from somebody who loves Anderson...no point keeping 3 goalies. (Age a factor as well). My 2 cents.
Loving our forward lines at the moment. Go sens Go
Methot-Karlsson
Gonchar-Phillips
Hickey-Werichoich
Borocop-Lundin
Send Benoit back to the minors not sure if he has to pass though waivers but I think he would clear
Hickey cant get into the Kings line-up he needs to be on a team that gives him a chance. So picking him up would be a great move, but I am afraid that Edmonton will probably claim him anyways so we probably dont have a shot at him but you never know.
Murray said we would carry 2 extra defeseman, and a forward probably. I doubt he keeps 3 goalies up. If Murray said we lack on defence depth and did not put a claim on Hickey then he would be a fool IMO.
I am still undecided about our goalie situation. I'm still in love with having the best 3 goalies in the league but understand something has to give, especially if Lehner is the best goalie in the minds of PM and BM.
Just wanted to clarify something; that rule about about a max of 5 games before a year is burnt applies to junior players only, not ahlers. Lehner is burning a year off his contract regardless.
The ony thing that's a factor, contract wise, is that Lehner is the only one of the three that has a two-way contract and therefore doesn't need to clear waivers if sent to bingo. So if Lehner stays in the NHL to start, it would mean we'll have 3 goalies for a while. If he plays so good that Murray just cant send him down...that's when you'll see a trade with one of our goalies.
While I love Anderson, I believe if Lehner proves he's a starter, I say keep both young guys. Look how LA has done with a combo like that
Awful, simply awful.
Let's appease Little Italy
The Ottawa Rossoneri
Bravo Apostle, molto bene :)
This kid it can be argued is one of he best we have down in the farm, and this is coming from some of the Bingo regulars.
He is big, mean and can skate... Phillips 10 years ago... No?
I had suggested Hickey yesterday and the way I looked at it, he would be a filler position. Like a test run, god knows we could use an extra NHL ready body if an injury should happen, that won't fully deplete our boys in Bingo.
But on the flip side, I had also said from the beginning, that Gryba should have been one of the guys invited to camp. I'm still upset that he didn't have that chance. I'd LOVE to see him here, but as someone else stated, he doesn't seem to get the love from BM that he deserves, for whatever reason.
I have to completely agree with you here, BM for all his brilliance seems to continue to pigeon hole certain players, and once he has them there, it is almost impossible to move out of that position.
Perhaps Gyrba was a draft from the old regime, and you know that BM will take his own picks, Wieicioch and Boro first, but at some point Gyrba must be thinking his chance is due, if not here than somewhere where he can get a fair shake.
From what i have seen I love everything this kid brings, toughness, can skate and can shoot the puck.
As much as I like Boro, Gyrba being a couple years older may deserve this shot first... IMO only of course
Will be announcing the details tonight. Then it's going to be first come, first serve. If there is enough interest, I'll set up a second one.
Gryba was selected by the Ottawa Senators in the 3rd round (68th overall) of the 2006 NHL Entry Draft. Murray was promoted to general manager of the Senators on June 18, 2007, so the 2006 drafts were all before his time. Here is who Ottawa drafted in 2006.
1st round 28th Nick Foligno
3rd round 68th Eric Gryba
3rd round 91st Kaspars Daugavins
4th round 121st Pierre-Lu c Lessard
5th round 151st Ryan Daniels
6th round 181st Kevin Koopman
7th round 211th Erik Condra
I knew that would happen, same thing happened last year, the one night I'm out of the house. arg!!
Send me an email and I'll hold a spot for you.
I'm definitely up for it!
The Ottawa Red Blacks = the Ottawa Communist Negros ?
"NYR, NHL, NHLPA believed discussing scenario under which NYR could exercise compliant buyout on Redden now while retaining AHL cap hit."
As much as he is way past his prime, I'd love to see him in a SENS jersey again (in a diminished role). We could sign him to something tiny (like minimum Vet contract) for this season only, get him to his 1000 games.
I think we all knew he'd be picked up. With Visnovsky fighting a return to the Island, using any means necessary, it makes sense they grab him. They need to fill the void he's going to leave in the top 6.
And it looks like the KHL is pushing back on him anyway, rejecting his KHL contract until this is all resolved. Good to see the KHL pushing aside and not getting in the way, letting the player deal with the NHL direct.
He waived his no trade clause to go to Anaheim and they interpreted it as his no trade is now void. His agent was contesting that it was a one time deal. I don't think the league has ruled on it yet.
Saw a twitter update, not only did LA lose Hickey, they also lost Richard Clune to Nashville. I guess NSH is trying to bulk up on the wing, cause Clune can battle. That is a great snag by Nashville.
They ruled. The NTC is void.
That said, if Redden is bought out now I say we give him a tryout and sign if he can still play to the benefit of the team. Why not? He used to be very good for us.
Have it on good authority that the Senators do not have any intention of signing Wade Redden at this point -- despite his history here.
Lets bring Daigle, Yashin, Hasek in for a tryout while we are at it.
The correct decision - Redden's time has passed.
For something like 600K.. he would be worth the gamble...
I would rather let a kid take the space for the 600K
Hell, we gave LeClaire numerous chances at redeeming himself. Why not a guy who did wonders for us in his time here?
I heard a report saying MacLean mentioned after concentrating on skating drills in the opening two days of camp, the focus is more on banging and crashing today. And from what I've read online, there have been some good hits and all around action going on. And even more praise for Methot's work with EK on the ice.
Chirp, or anyone else who's attending, what's the good word?
@Real_ESPNLeBrun People who say Redden can't play look no further than Kuba 2 years ago-dubbed horrible, now same experts call him reliable"
Completely agree.
Nothing wrong with being a "glass half full" kinda guy.
Becauss it would send a discouraging message to all the D currently playing in Binghamton - that the Sens would rather have a re-tread then give that opportunity to any of them.
Told that Bost, Tor, Fla, Ott have expressed at least preliminary interest in Redden...
is this guy reliable or is he mentioning the sens because of his past
THIS... This is bang on. People seem to forget that this team is all about development still. Our first priority is to give our young guys a chance to see if they perform at the NHL level. There is a reason that Murray hasn't gone out and signed or traded for anyone yet... They wanna see what the young guys are made of
This is Larry Brooks... The guy Torts is constantly battling with in pressers because he is full of shit.
The owner, GM, and coach have all come out and said that we need veteran D depth. If the bingo guys can't outplay "a retread" then they don't deserve to play either.
In addition, we could sign him to a 2-way deal. So if he doesn't work out in Ottawa then he can help in Bingo.
Daigle is signed over-seas. Not eligible to play in the NHL.
Hasek is retired, and he burned his bridge with the organization.
Yashin — Doesn't even make sense. He burned that bridge too. Ottawa owes him nothing.
If you're trying to be sarcastic, stop and think about what you're about to type. Start thinking about former players that actually makes sense to have a try-out with the SENS, or is eligible and not "over-the-hill. " Or at least had a good run with us.
Redden didn't burn a bridge. He stated that New York offered him money that's foolish to ignore. Hell, any player at that time would've signed to that contract. I don't hold it against Redden for signing that contract. Anyone, and I mean anyone with half a brain, would sign that $39-million for 6 years contract.
He didn't burn bridges???
Wasn't he asked to waive his no trade clause and refused? Sure, not nearly as bad as the others, but if that isn't indicative enough that a team no longer wants you(and I can't imagine a few years changed that)I don't know what is.
A smart GM would leave no stone un-turned. And AParadiseLost is right, if our young guys can't out-play a "retread" then they're not NHL ready.
It's a no-risk, low-high reward for the SENS.
That and the fact that what other teams are asking is just too much at this time. It's already been reported.
“We keep talking, we’ve been talking to a variety of teams about what’s available, but it doesn’t sound promising,” Murray said Monday. “We’ll keep looking and talking.”
I liked Redden and the key word here is 'liked'. I think the comments about bringing Redden into the fold now, regardless of how little it costs, just strengthens the reports that we don't trust out young D enough to come up and compete.
Dude... Keep in mind that Redden wasn't exactly dominating in the AHL (If he had anything left in the tank he should have)
Here is his line for the last 2 years:
2010-11 Hartford Wolf Pack/CT Whale GP G A PTS +/-
70 8 34 42 -1 (Respectable numbers for sure)
2011-12 Connecticut Whale GP G A PTS +/-
49 4 16 20 -8
Having an NTC that was given to you by the team, and excercising that option does NOT BURN A BRIDGE.
If you were given a job to do paper work, and your job description and your contract states that you do paper work. And your boss all of a sudden tells you, "BTW, you need to pack your bags, and pack your family, and you need to go move to another city, and your job is going to change. You will not start jumping into a pile of pig-maneur, and shovel that all day," I think you would have a problem with that. And if you have a contract that states, that your supposed to do Paper work, and paper work only, I would use that as tell my boss (respectfully) that he (or she) has to find someone else to jump into that maneur, and shovel it all day.
It was an Organizational Right given to him by the SENS that if he does not want to be traded, then he can't be traded.
Again, stop and think about what you're going to say, before you type.
2010-2011: He was 15th overall in scoring for D
2011-2012: He missed most of the season due to injury
Yeah, he wasn't stellar but he wasn't terrible either.
How would it in any way hurt the SENS to sign him to a 2-way deal? Let him try out a couple of games with Bingo and if we feel he can make a contribution, bring him up and play?
Yes, but, we're not paying him a single $0.01 to come and TRYOUT for us.
Hell, if he shows that he's better than any of our Prospects (keep in mind, Defencemen takes longer to develop than forwards), I don't mind giving our defencemen more time to develop.
And if it's a "tell" to the young guys that "the organization has no faith in them" then you have a bad attitude.
Why not start thinking "I have to show the organization that I'm better than this 're-tread.' I'm going to work my ass off, and out-play everyone, and be better than everyone."
I see it more as a challenge to the young guys by bringing an un-signed older veteran into camp.
2010-2011: He was 15th overall in scoring for D
2011-2012: He missed most of the season due to injury
Yeah, he wasn't stellar but he wasn't terrible either.
How would it in any way hurt the SENS to sign him to a 2-way deal? Let him try out a couple of games with Bingo and if we feel he can make a contribution, bring him up and play?
To give this a little further context.... In the year Redden put up 42 points, Benoit put up 53 for the BSens playing in the same league.
Nothing better than hearing a Torts & Brooksie argument. They have to be the best.
How great is it to talk hockey!!!!
Can hardly wait for season ticket holder event tomorrow night...
To give this a little further context.... In the year Redden put up 42 points, Benoit put up 53 for the BSens playing in the same league.
On a better team that won the Calder that year... Great comparison.
In a shortened season is it wise to have 2 rookies on D in the same game, during this intense season? Not saying they couldn't do the job.. but the pressure during the 48 game stretch will be intense.
The Sens have not replaced Kuba. Redden's offense could be just as good as Kuba's was... and Kuba wasn't exactly stellar on D either.
Signing Redden just for this year -- I'm sure he'd take close to minimum to prove himself... will not hurt the development of the young players.
If it works.. Gonchar will be gone.. Redden could stay.. and then move up Wiercioch & Bo or Benoit for next season.
On a better team that won the Calder that year... Great comparison.
And your best argument for bringing in Redden is "Yeah, he wasn't stellar but he wasn't terrible either"
Those who live in glass houses....
And your best argument for bringing in Redden is "Yeah, he wasn't stellar but he wasn't terrible either"
Those who live in glass houses....
You're absolutely correct. That is the only positive thing I said about him.
You're absolutely correct. That is the only positive thing I said about him.
The team Redden played on that year was a whole 4 points behind Bingo in the regular season...
No matter anyways... There is no way he's signed to a tryout by Ottawa
I get why Murray is maybe not considering it... but a tryout would not hurt
after his mother passed away, he was never the same player.
To me he would be taking a roster spot away from a prospect or rookie, and would not be much of an asset to the team!
I would much rather see one of Wiercioch, Gryba or Borowieki
graduate from Binghamton !!
Just look how well Jared Cowen matured to be a top 4 defenceman !
I'd give him a shot.
He is the main reason we had a cocaine problem on our team. HE started it!
This guy has put millions of dollars up his nose. Then his unreal agent somehow got him a massive deal which was followed by a few years of crap play. How do you think he's been feeling in the AHL?? My guess is he's been snorting more white stuff than ever while on those depressing 10 hour bus rides.
HELL NO to Redden!!
Isn't the cap floor somewhere around 44 million for the next 2 years? We've already spent 50
Like Gryba hasn't been shit on already. The guy should retire and go get a job for the same money he makes the AHL. Just tell BM "I've has enough of your favouritism and Im getting a real job where I have a chance for advancement go find another guy for the same money." Problem is they love hockey so they will keep getting shit on. So he will continue to get dumped on while Murrays picks(goalie coaches son in law) get the opportunity.