While some of the big name free agents remain on the market, it was a quiet July 2 for the Ottawa Senators.
Bryan Murray and his staff do still have a couple things to take care of. Both Jim O'Brien and Kaspars Daugavins need new contracts and as I mentioned yesterday, the team would still like to add another top six forward to the mix.
So while there are some other things the Senators are working on over the next couple of days, we are about to enter a period of downtime across the National Hockey League.
Once the big name free agents find new homes, talk will then shift to the upcoming CBA negotiations that for now anyway, have the start of the 2012/2013 season in doubt.
Just a few quick updates to get you through this Tuesday morning.
- The Sens wrapped up their annual Development Camp yesterday with the 3 on 3 tournament. Team Orange, which included Shane Prince, Mika Zibanejad, Darren Kramer, Jordan Fransoo and Corey Cowick took the title. By all accounts it was another successful camp and one of the deepest talent pools the organization has seen in years. Kudos to Randy Lee and his staff for putting together a great event.
- In his address to the media on July 1, Bryan Murray mentioned on a couple of occasions that he has a "full roster". That doesn't necessarily mean there aren't more moves to come but means he's willing to go forward with this group if need be. That could be bad news for Jesse Winchester, who is still a UFA without a contract. Bruce Garrioch has suggested that the Rangers may have interest.
- The two newest Senators- Guillaume Latendress and Marc Methot have selected their numbers for next season. Latendresse will go with #73, a number last worn by Jarkko Ruutu. Meanwhile Methot will go with #3, last worn by Laurence Nycholat. Methot will be in town today to meet with the media at Scotabank Place.
- Like the rest of you, still waiting for confirmation on that Daniel Alfredsson news I mentioned yesterday. Was told by a quality source that he is in fact returning for another season so now we just have to wait for the official announcement. It's interesting to note that one person I spoke with hinted at the possibility of a new contract for the Captain. We'll see what happens.
- Will be away from the computer most of today as I've been lucky enough to get a spot in the Paul Rushforth Charity Golf Tournament in support of the Do it For Daron initiative. Should be an awesome day out at Greyhawk Golf Course and in support of a terrific cause. As always, will do my best to post any updates in the comment section and on Twitter.
Last yera he didn't he go to Afghaniston on July 1st as well?
Look this will paint me as insensitive and inconsiderate, and I get his history with bullying and gays with his son...but
HE signed on for this job, and just like any other job you have cirtical timelines. His personal matters must come second to a job
You think an accountant can take off a day during year end to go attend a parade for personal reasons? No
In a GM job Deadline Day, July 1st and the GM meetings are your most important days. Those are days that must be penciled off on your calendar, and if you can't make those days then perhaps its not a good time to be a GM
This happens every year. People say "Screw the weak free agent pool this year, look at everyone coming up next year!" But then 80 percent of the players get re-signed during the course of the season.
So far as Burke's comments on spenders so far "anxiously making calls" to other GMs, at a glance looks like the biggest spenders so far would have been: Anaheim, Colorado, Dallas and Calgary. Throw Carolina in there too I guess with the Staal deal.
A few of these teams would be intriguing dance partners for us.
Don't underestimate two factors:
1) His health. Alfie had two concussions last year. He has young kids and a lot of life ahead of him. Playing another year carries risk and he may not want to do it at a laughable salary.
2) How it looks to other players around the league. Vets understand taking a hometown discount, but as more guys play into their early 40s they're looking to guys like Alfie to set the market for them. He will feel a little pressure there I think.
It's not really correct for us fans to look at our own salaries then turn around and call Alfie greedy. Keep perspective.
He's not holding out, nor would he. But the org and Euge would probably get behind renegotiating his contract for this coming season to something a bit more worthy of the captain. He signed a "team friendly" deal last time to keep his cap hit low, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them buy out his current deal to sign him to a new one for $3-4M. Still a huge bargain of course.
In other words, past sacrifice deserves compensation. Otherwise there is no valid grounds to get a raise at this stage. Even if there is only $1 million left on his current contract, he has already been paid a good pile of cash on this agreement.
Calgary - Bouwmeester(NTC ) and Babchuck (NTC)
Carolina, Colorado, Dallas and Anaheim are all in the 47-52 mill range so I don't think they are "anxious" to unload salaries
Speaking of Dallas quite the top 6/7 they have now
Eriksson-Benn-Jagr
Morrow-Roy-Whitney
Ryder
Have to agree with you there Alcatraz. I think so far Dallas has made the biggest splash. Amazing to see that organization finally spend some money.
Agreed. The Stars are looking pretty good right now on paper. Definitely one of the Western Conference teams to keep an eye on.
The best organizations are the ones where roles and responsibilitie s are clearly segregated. The owner owns, the president runs teh business, the GM deals with players, the coach deals with the on-ice performance. Stop screwing up the pecking order by spouting off in the media. It makes the organization look bush league.
Parise and Setegucci will be good together I think, mix in Koivu and fuckface and you have a solid top 4
Suter should anchor that d-core pretty well, and they have a great underrated goalie tandem as well
They dominated the league until a mid season collapse, plus they have one of the strongest prospect pools in the league
NHL take notice, We present you the 2012-2013 version of the 2011-2012 St.Louis Blues
Pierre Marc Bouchard would be a freakin' awesome addition to Ottawa. Sick hockey player
Heatley?
He's good, but are we aiming to have the all-injury team again?
...... you're kidding, right?
@#$% Heatley.
Minnesota Douche Bags
All we need is Nash to get traded there haha...SO glad that this is going to be over soon though.
There "should" be at least three or four big assed signings today, should be interesting to see how the dust settles.
Well Doan won't sign until July 9th at the earliest. If coyotes stay in Phoenix so does he. If they leave so does he.
As for major signings it looks like Parise and Sturer will happen, then I would assume over the course of the enxt day carle and Semin will hit the jackpot on panicky teams
Reports saying Minny have in fact signed Suter, Still waiting on Parise
Cue the carle to Detroit Rumors
Two problems with your post. A) under the CBA Teams/players can no longer "re negotiate" or "re-structure" deals. B) Yes the Sens can buyout Alfie, but that means he becomes a UFA - because teams are not allowed to re-sign players that they have bought out in the same season. IE. an Alfie buyout now, means Ottawa would not be able to re-sign him until July 1 2013.
The most they can do is negotiate a contract "extension"...n othing more.
Besides, I really don't think Alfie is holding out...I think it's as simple as he wasn't well earlier in the summer and that delayed his off/pre season training which in turn is delaying his decision. I think Alfie will run this like Lidstrom did....one year at a time.
On a side note...from a purely "point" perspective...w ould it not be worth considering signing Semin to a 3 year deal? I mean I think he would have a bit of a different attitude outside of WSH....won't be overshadowed by Ovie or Backstrom...and Gonchar might be a good influence (Malkin claims he was for him)
1. Lehner - MVP/Calder Cup Championship
2. Zibanejad - GWG/WJC
3. Silfverberg - MVP/SEL Championship
4. Stone - WHL/WJC Scoring Champ
5. Noeson
6. Ceci
7. Hoffman
8. Boroweicki
9. Puempel
10. O'Brien
11. Wiercioch
12. Prince
13. Maidens
14. Gryba
15. Da Costa
16. Petersson
17. Cannone
18. Claesson
19. Pageau
20. Blood
21. Hamilton
22. Driedger
23. Sdao
24. Grant
25. Dzuirzynski
26. Kramer
27. McCormick
28. Dzinkel
29. Culek
30. Boyle
31. Schneider
32. Fransoo
33. Brassard
34. Baillargeon
35. Jessiman
36. Caporusso
37. Aneloski
38. Downing
39. Cowick
40. Filatov - has the potential to climb back into the top 10.
Good on Minny, then deserve some excitement actually.
So what does Nashville do now? Don't forget Weber is a RFA right now who has NOT signed a qualifying offer.....IF he wanted to, he could put of signing a deal with NSH in hopes of receiving an offer sheet.
Home state.
Heatley, Setoguchi, Koivu, Granlund, and now Parise...
Suter on D...
If they some how get Nash, I'll flip my shit.
Other than Nash - who's the next biggest fish?
Now we can really see the market for Nash and Bouwmeester and Carle
Thats crazy haha
Other than Nash:
- Ryan
- Semin
- Carle
- Doan
Vancouver-always solid
Minny- July 4th nuff said
Colorado- Have revamped and have lots of young stars and new additions
Calgary- hah
Edmonton- should beat Calgary
I'd give a bite of my sandwich for a new post.
Other than those players, here are free agents. Nobody is saying for sure that Ryan will be traded.
http://capgeek.com/ufa_finder.php
The Northwest just got even more bruuuutal.
Awe... TSN has a picture of Suter and Parise together celebrating a goal in Team USA uniforms. Nash could have had the same, what a pity.
Holy double signing batman
Would love to see PMB in a Sens uni
Sucks big for Brodeur, NJ is going to be brutal!
Problem I see with that is if Team A offers Weber 10 years at 7 million,nashvil le could just match it and bam he has a new 10 year deal with the preds.
"Like a Blister in the Sun. Could Suter and Parise Both Be Wild?"
Just don't ask me HTW this has anything to do with Blister in the Sun.
Both Suter and Prise signed the same 98 million 13 year deals
Pretty Crazy combining those 7.5 cap hits with Heatley 7.5 and Koivu 6.75 and even Backstrom 6
They will definately be moving bodie, Bouchard would be first, Cullen's a possibility, and I wouldn't even be surprised if Backstrom lands elsewhere. Trade him for Theodore and a pick? Florida then have Backstrom unill Markstrom is ready
Doug Maclean tweeted at 11:30 "Hearing from a couple of agents both players will end up in minny. We will see!"
Eklund just looks at twitter now and posts it asap to try and get a time stamp ahead of other online websites like TSN
Well they only have 600k in cap space now. Really, PMB? You saw how people reacted to Lats being signed, those same people would lose their minds with a guy like PMB who has serious injury track record....The only way I could see getting someone like him is IF they include someone like Coyle or Cuma.
To think how things could have been had we been able to sign this tandem and without *any* cost in prospects.
Coyle would be awesome, too.
I know PMB is injury prone, I was just day dreamin'. He's an awesome player, though.
Is Heatley the next Ex Sen to get a cup?
I don't blame you....I mean to take his deal on for 1 year would be worthwhile if we could get some other pieces with him.
Your right zipzap
I would love to know what you would have done differently to convince people to want to come to Ottawa
Parise turned down an opportunity to play with Crosby and malkin for christ sake, you think Murray could have done anythign to get him to come here?
Your such a fucking fool
I would not have wasted the past 6 years trying every average player under the sun on the top line with spezza
Who is it gonna be this year
Murray- spezza- Neil ?
Maybe Spezza can resurrect someones career!?!?!
Or kick start a rookies career?!?!?
Didnt work the first 100 times, but just maybe this time
With the Pens losing out on Parise, I wonder how hard they will gun for Nash and whether they are on his magic little list?
I would get a job first instead of living out of my parent's basement. Then maybe pay with that and try to get in to school and aim for a law degree or business degree to know a thing or two about being a hockey GM. But hey, I did #11 and #2 and I'm still not spewing the tripe you are. Just saying.
Yes.
Yes, it would.
Apparently he talked to both players and helped convince them to come to Minny... *swallows vomit*
Not unlike us, now every pundit covering every other team in the NHL turns their attention to the same three or four players... this is from a blogger covers the Hawks. Sound familiar?
"One name I heard the Hawks will pursue, failing Suter and Parise, is Shane Doan. The other could be Rick Nash. I have also heard some later breaking but vague rumor involving the Hawks entering the fray for Bobby Ryan."
Wow Parise and Suter to the Wild...nice.
but but but the best organization in hockey - Detroit was supposed to get Suter
How small and low budget are we ...Time to be concerned
you are SOOOOOO boring
you need to start your own blog
Not sure how long you've been gone but we signed an even more amazing tandem than that!
Methot + Lantendresse. Not kidding!
FREEBIRD
we could be a team who did not make the playoffs last year and all we've done is trade a young top 4 for a young top 6 while still not addessing our biggest needs in goaltending a 1LC
Reminds me of the whole Lebron/Bosh/Wad e & Miami Heat Fiasco a few summers back lol..
Don't know about you but I haven't lost a seconds sleep or given a moments thought to Parise and Suter possibly playing together.
True, but how are they watsing our time?
Its not their fault Canadian Hockey Fans pay more attention to hockey than our own political affairs. We could recite NHl team payrolls quicker than we can recite the 10 provinces
Hell we could tell everyone all 30 captains but wouldn't be able to know who the premier is for each province lol
So they had every right to wait a full 4 days OMG! haha
other than the Alberta teams, all Canadian teams have the same issue - there are about 500,000 reasons (read: dollars) why players getting paid in that range prefer going to the US - after-tax dollars. Should not worry about it, just the way it is.
see article: http://business.financialpost.com/2012/06/29/graphic-hockey-havens-not-necessarily-tax-havens/
I can't believe we traded a potential 1st line 50 goal scorer with a ton of "character" for Latendresse. Man we're going to end up regretting this big time when Foligno leads the Jackets to the Cup finals next spring...
Had we made this splash today, here is the sort of line-up we could ice if we wanted to and still have a half dozen serviceable players + all of our prospect pool still left over.
Yeah I know we wouldn't want to let rookies rot on the fourth line but this is illustration of depth.
Parise - Spezza - Silfer
Michalek - Turris - Alfie
Latendresse - Z Smith - Neil
Greening - Zibanejad - Stone
Karlsson - Methot
Suter - Cowen
Phillips - Gonchar
Borocop - Lundin
How many 'spare parts' and tradable assets? If we sent the remnants all down the Bingo it would almost guarantee us the Calder.
All with some of the best goaltending depth in the league. Man I would need valium to sleep tonight the erection wouldn't subside for days.
Sorry to depress anyone, but when evaluating a monster deal like this it is fun (I think) to see how it would have impacted the Sens should we had made those deals. Not saying that they ever would have come here in the first place...
THE PENQUIN had something to do with this
Even as we sit now we have WAY too many players, I saw one of the Bsens twitter accounts say that they have 17-18 forwards signed for next season, and they weren't even taking into account the players likely to play in Ottawa this winter.
We have SO much depth atm it is stupid...I hope there is something in the works that will come out of left field and "surprise" us...like a Ryan/Kane sorta thing, but with this new Alfie contract tidbit coming up I am not as convinced that signing someone else will be vital...Althoug h I am not completely sure how the CBA works but couldn't we theoretically buy him out and rework the contract like we did last time to make it to the floor?
Yes they will be able to buy him out and re-work the contract. I've been saying they'd do this if he came back for quite some time despite all the other posters saying he'd come back to play for 1 mil cause he's just that much of a quality character. Alfie will get us to the floor, the kids will probably swap between Bingo and Sens throughout the year.
I totally agree, adding two guys that slide into top spots you can immediately see just how bad the log jam is... and that is after two lateral moves in Latendresse/Fol igno and Methot/Kuba. We are still THAT log jammed but still could use some elite talent... everyone from Ceci to Butler Regin to Dacosta didn't even make the depth sketch... not to mention are myriad other prospects not expected to make the jump yet.
Maybe the right time is this week, maybe it in November when Murray often pulls off a gem, maybe it's at the trade deadline... but we are two elite bodies away from being serious contenders in Alfie's final or penultimate season...
I say get one deal done early and another later. Top line forward for now, see how the first two months of the season pan out, then reassess if we are strongly contending what we could do for help, likely a top 4 D.
WOW!!!!!!
Guess I didn't hit refresh fast enough. old news now :)
I agree but here is my issue If we cant sign big names or trade for big names ...its a bigger problem then TAXES
If you limit free agency to overpaying because our budget isn't there we set ourselves up for giving older players more money and that "extra year" type deals players like Haseks Gonchars Kovalevs ...
The draft is more important to this team than ever but we still need to make those "Big Trades" for players like Spezzas Turris Heatleys Charas Reddens Michaleks
If we lose the way of the big name trade this franchise will be behind the 8 ball for 5-7 years yearly trying and waiting for the next Alfredsson Hossa Havlats to be drafted and grow ...
Even concerns me that our Owner is writing open letters to the fans cause he hears that people aren't happy with the direction and he is trying to save face and season tickets ..
Check the numbers its more than taxes ...Season tickets are on decline.. merch on decline ..
Theres a issue here when your owner spends to cap and still needs 2nd rd playoffs to make money ..
15 million for 13 years for two second tier players. Just think what Evgeni Malkin must be daydreaming about when in 2 short seasons he is a UFA, or Corey Perry when he becomes a UFA in 2013-14.
I haven't been quiet about wanting a top 3 forward...I think I would be the most ecstatic person in the city if we scored Ryan or E Kane(I know both unlikely). I would like to see what our D signings are able to do before going nuts for someone else, Methot could be a good top 4 guy, see how he works out.
The other guy I genuinely don't know a damn thing about...so see what he does, if he craps the bed, sit him move one of our young guys up and try to find another higher end guy and do the bump down.
Interesting and important point. It was important to Parise that he and Suter were compensated equally.
What a classy guy!!
"we are gunna offer you 100 million for 13 years Zach"
"No I can't accept that, take 2 million off and give it to suter, we both will play for a low amount of 98 so we can be equally compensated"
I don't see how Pitt would have any assets worth Nash. I don't see CLB trading Nash to inter-division rival DET leaving the same SJ(who have no interest) Philly and NYR
Rangers are probably still in the lead as Philly would prefer Ryan
Uh, like any other player... you draft them, and develop them. With the exception of Ovi/Crosby who were just naturally gifted. These were two players (Suter/Parise) that stayed with their franchise since being drafted...
I think we drafted and developed a couple stars of our own... Alfie. Spezza. Hossa. Erik Karlsson. We don't need to go out and grab the big names. We've done a pretty good job with it so far.
And I think another star will be coming into the league soon... Mika Zibanejad.
If we can't go out and convince star players to come here, then we have no choice but to draft them, and show the rest of the league we're capable of producing elite players.
Alfie's current cap hit is already 4.875 million. With that hit we are currently roughly 4 million below the floor. Are you seriously suggesting that we sign him to a contract with a 9 million cap hit?
Yeah whether we will allow less goals against remains to be seen but seems likely. Hopefully a stronger more consistent season from our goaltending tandem, having two solid rookies in the wings should mean no burnout for Mr. Anderson.
Depending if EK65 can keep up the pace and not suffer any setbacks + our youth growing one more year and maybe another young sniper making the team, scoring should go up a bit as well. At the end of the day that is what killed us against the Rangers, and I'd still like to make a top 3 *bang* to give us better odds and realistically give Alfie a chance at the Cup. I can;t honestly say as our squad sits today that we could possibly contend against other stronger teams.
If we somehow could pry out Bobby Ryan, that would be my #1 player of choice at this point to put us in contention.
If we had the chance to sign Semin to 2 years @ 6.5M per, would you guys want Murray to pull the trigger?
Yes, 9 million, Alfie should be paid to be top in the league haha!
No I'm saying he'll be paid slightly more and the up and down of all the prospects can be timed to bring us to the floor. Like seriously, who would suggest paying Alfie 9mil? lol, sorry but that made me laugh
Personally? Yes. He's a guy that could take over games.
But I think the rest of the fanbase would disagree with me because of the "Russian Factor" BS.
I think we have drafted well too thats not my problem ..Trades though have helped this franchise too..
And Spezza was traded here ..yes we drafted him but it wasnt are pick
Torn...He fits the 30-30 I think we are missing/need. I have no problem with the russian factor that I am sure so many will...If I had my way I would take Ryan/E Kane over him though.
Id be ok for Semin on a short term deal, but I doubt he accepts it, knowing full well Detroit may be willing to give longer term
Semin could easily score 40 goals, and I think Gonchar would help him adjust to our team
Maclean uses a system that Semin would like and embrace. It would also help us with our Pittsburgh rivalry
I would shocked shitless if Winterpeg traded Kane...there has been lots of buzz around Ryan but like Kane he would cost a lot in terms of prospects not to mention the apparent established center in return.
The beauty of Semin (and I would prefer Ryan or even Nash to be honest) is that he wouldn't cost us any prospects. 6.5 per seems about roughly right given the contracts we've seen the past few days, but I'm not sure the 2 year length would cut it. I'd like him on a shorter contract to prove himself and not feel complacent o a long deal.
So what you meant was that the kids will get us to the floor. Not Alfie.
Oh yeah, and they drafted Dumba. Los dios mios.
Agreed adding someone with the potential to be just as good without giving anything up would be ideal, but at the same time we genuinely have too much depth at this point so moving a few guys even if they are considered to be quality prospects for a Kane/Ryan makes sense too. I am totally off the Nash bandwagon(was barely on it to begin with), but really if we could get either of the two guys for a similar(or larger deal for Kane) I would do it. Some people think I am nuts but for E Kane I would likely have no issue with something along the lines of
Zibby
Stone
2013 first
Wiercoch
The kid is bloody 20 years old and already had a 30 goal season..and has been close to point a game last year on a meh team...have Spezza feeding him and man he will easily hit 40 goals...I would LOVE to remove a few of Douches records.
Yes he is good, but why not wait until Zib is 20 to see what he can do. Using Zib for Nash who has shown he can consistently do it is one thing, but for Kane who may suffer a setback is just stupid IMO
I dont think those records will be broken anytime soon, back to back 50 g's and 100+ points...Its sad his name is still there but it just shows how our kids through out the years havent turned out the way we wanted them to. Zib, Noesen or Pumepel have to pan out and hopefully end up erasing those records but I highly doubt it. Nash or E. Kane could very well break those but that aint gonna happen.
just putting things into perspective
No, what I meant and said is that the combination of both will. Whether you want to count the contracts of the rookies 1st or Alfie first, it's the same difference as neither have occurred yet. Not sure why you feel the need to stay on this, but I think it's pretty clear.
Yeah I have no doubt that it is a lot too pay...but imo it really barely puts a dent in us...Obviously I wouldn't start by offering that much, but i anticipate it would take something along those lines.
I also genuinely see Kane as easily twice the player Kessel is.
EEEEEEEEYORE !
So theoretically seeing as how he is currently RFA, how does this trade pan out exactly?
How would something like that work? ? Work our a contract for him and then Win trades him to us after he signs?? I genuinely don't know...and really doubt he gets moved this is as big a pipe dream as anything
Okay now we're just bringing in anyone for the sake of free agency/ fantasy trading, etc. We lost any hope there was in trading for Nash and now lost the chance to land Parise (biiiig surprise). I say we just hold onto what we have now and sit tight. Now that all the big names are over and done with, no need to settle for second rate jabronis. Already I have mixed emotions with Latendresse being on our team and I see him in the exact same role as Foligno, shifting back and fourth as a top 6 and bottom 6 so really, we didn't really gain anything. I'm not saying we should already want to lose before the season started but really, what are the other options in landing MacKinnon? We're also approaching our 4th season with Spezza centering a line with Michalek and in just my opinion, am growing old of seeing the 2 together. It may be time to shake things up.
Michalek - Turris - Alfredsson
Latendresse - Regin - Neil
Greening - Z. Smith - Condra
Hope I'm wrong and the actual team includes Noesen and/or Puempel and/or Stone?
www.fireburke.ca
Latendresse - Turris - Michalek
Silfverberg - Zibanejad - Alfie
Greening - Smith - Neil
(Regin/Condra)
i am convinced minnesota will win that division if not this season. next season. I really think they will compete with oilers for a while.
minni has parise granlund heatley koivu setoguchi as their main scoring forwards, but not too many know about their prospect depth watch for names liek charlie coyle, zack phillips, johan larsson to compete for top 6 spots very soon too.
and on D they have jonas brodin, suter, dumba, falk, spurgeon has their future.
and a lot of good goaltenders harding hackett gustafsson
im excited for them because i personally hate the north west (mainly due to canucks) but finally there will be a 2nd competitive team in that division that will pass the canucks very soon.
Chuck Fletcher quote from April 11 2012...Oh how times change quick
I only got to see him once I was really excited at the chance to see him play. He had an awesome game and was one of the three stars of the game, when he skated out for the three stars (I had really good seats) my buddy and I just *bellowed* "Unleash the Klinkhammer!" he looked over at us and had the biggest smile on his face that I've ever seen.
Was an exciting prospect, too bad we couldn't keep him but I guess with this much depth.. they somehow decided to let him walk.
Best of luck in Phoenix Rob!
Why not toss a few more rookied in there? Heck maybe if we put 4 rookie wingers out there with Spezza all the time he won't have to do everything himself.
It's okay to admit you just goofed and were thinking if Alfie were paid more than the $1M he's slated to make next year it would affect the cap. It's not like that's an inexcusable mistake or anything.
I thought Tookie had to keep his "Idontknowanyth ing" moniker until the start of training camp???
Hax, no offense, but that was not the case. Murray has said our lineup is full, so he also sees a way to get to the cap floor with the current roster. Nice to see you're ready to jump on anything you think you can though, nothing like a forum full of people trying to tell you what you are saying.
Quoting SensFanInMTL:
Might just beat Vancouver for the division.. BUT they will not beat the Kings to come out of the West...
And I thought you didnt care...:P
Most people said I had paid my dues, name was just do damn long...
What's the worse that can happen? Because of the inexperience due to having an almost all rookie team, we finish last and draft MacKinnon? No that's right. You'd rather continue watching the exact crap team we have now with Grening, Condra, Latendresse and Butler while crossing your fingers and toes that Alfie, in what will probably be his last year, hoist the cup while thinking that our current team has a hope in hell?
Remember in the Heatley Fiasco, Heatley's agent, Stacey McAlpine, told BM that Edmonton was on his list, and then reneged after BM strikes a deal: egg on face happens.
Now, we are on the other side. CBJ pulls our strings leading us to believe something could be worked out, and the Player says, uh, NO, when asked!
Why on earth would you spend all that time wasting your breath talking to a team whom has a player whom would never come to your team???? The whole thing is a non-starter!!!
At what point do GM's become aware of a player's list is my question? It certainly seems in a couple of cases they only become aware of the list when the team asks the player to waive. Or, are the teams on the list at the time of signing the contract, and GM's negotiate behind the scenes until its time to ask the player to waive, and then whooops, said player vetoes the deal. sorry, too bad.
Nonsense. Something smells fishy about the whole process.
KJ
Say goodbye to contracts like that. This long term, front-end loaded contract will be a thing of the past. They will limit the # of years and probably the last year (in way of money) has to be within a percentage of the first year or average amounts..
Shea Weber had better sign his before the new CBA comes in.. or he gets screwed out of this type of deal.. as do Getzlaf & Perry next year..
Nash has Toronto on his list? He might as well stay in Columbus.. He has young Johannsen I think as one of the centres.. don't know many others.. and in Toronto he gets to play with Bozak. How much say does his wife have as to where he goes...
How are we going to shake things up no one wants to play here ..And for the guys that dont have NTC Murray wants dollar for dollar trades to make a deal ..Or your spares for are depth ..
This team is hoping Silfverberg Zibanejad Stone Noesen Puempel are going to be the Next Karlsson type player....... ...and FAST!!
Really dude? Fictional insults? I'm doing better than your whole damn family is. But thanks for the silly dime a dozen (fictional) internet insult. It's always nice to know your type is still out there tryin' to feel special via delusion.
Good luck with the "law degree or business degree" It sounds like a boring pretentious slave to the system life.
I'd rather do what I do, my way on my own time thanks.
Don't hate me because I am right
NEXT!
What will Semin now get? What will Carle now get? Those two will be laughing all the way to the bank...
As for the Sens... I don't have the stat but I would really like to know how many 1 goal games the Sens lost last year. If the two new D can help prevent even 1 goal against each game -- how much better off will the Sens be.
Let's not forget Silfverberg -- we were so excited to see him play this season. Now it just seems to be all negative regarding the July 1st acquisitions.
I looked on Cap Geek and saw that Minny has about 2.5M in cap room. Cullen + one other player come off the books after next season. Setogouchi & Heatley the season after... So I think, as long as the cap doesn't go down, Minny should be good for several years in way of the salary cap.
One interesting item was that neither Parise or Suter has a NTC..
does anyone see the possibility of..
Turris
Zibanejad
Smith
????
up the middle and that maybe Spezza may infact inquire us a huge asset? don't get me wrong I want spezza on this team for life even as "C" he is an impact player but if Turris turns into a better spezza down the road I can't see the harm in getting us that Top 3 Winger. down the road of course, lets be sure Turris can prove himself.
Depth...
someones got to go. even in the AHL there is only 12 forward positions. I know we got bodies that can go to the ECHL and someone will head back to Junior but the fact is players will progress better at a higher level of hockey.
Karlsson needs A Mike Green or Drew Doughty. Maybe Ceci is it!
I shot myself in the foot for the thoughts of trading off any of our players but this is just a reacurring thought
welcher
I think Murray entered trade talks with CBJ knowing we weren't on the list. I don't think it was as if he was spending hours a day on the thing.
I can understand his point of view, if there is to be an expanded list why shouldn't we be in pole position with an already agreed in principle deal.
But to assume that Howson isn't going to call the GMs of the other teams on the list and tell them they could start thinking about a deal doesn't seem realistic.
We have/had our deal in place for Nash and let's see if Nash considers an expanded list. I still think he ends up exactly where he wanted to end up at the start of this process and I don't think that's Ottawa.
I'd still kind of prefer Ryan anyway.
I don't think Turris ever gets to be better than Spezza.
#Sens Assistant General Manager Tim Murray on D prospect and #BSens 2011-12 Rookie of the Year Mark Borowiecki: "He'll be the most popular guy when he's an NHL player for us, but even on some practice days, he's not going to be very popular with his own teammates because that's how he practices. When you go into a one-on-one drill with him, he is going to put you on your ass, whether you like it or not. It doesn't matter if you're the star of the team or not. I think he's going to bring that aspect of just never stopping, never taking his foot off the pedal. We know what he is from a skills standpoint, but his intangibles and his heart and his courage are off the charts."
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/i5s52h
full interview: http://proxy.autopod.ca/podcasts/chum/184/7604/12.07.04%20Tim%20Murray%20with%20The%20Scratches.mp3
Not sure where you get "the exact crap team" from when A) it's not a "crap" team and B) I said nothing of the sort anyway.
My point, if you give a shit, is that we need to find someone who is a legit top-line winger to play with Spezza. MM9 is okay as "the other guy" if needs be.
Now, maybe the only way we'll ever get that guy is to develop him out of our own prospects - which sucks since that will take time. But I'd really, really like to see someone brought in to properly compliment Spezza on our top line rather than stick him with the likes of Greening, Latendresse or whatever other rookies/sophomo res we can offer.
Okay - so explain to me again how "Alfie will get us to the floor" when you were talking about the team being able to "buy him out and re-work the contract"? Alfie's cap hit right now is $4.875M. If they buy him out and sign him to another deal how is his cap hit going to be more? Unless you're saying they'll buy him out and re-sign him to a $4M deal so that the buy out plus his new cap hit total more? Not sure how that has much of an impact on our cap number.
Exactly. How is this difficult to comprehend? The fans deserve and spezza deserves a proper first line for a change.
We hate you because you're BORING
We're talking about cross your fingers and pray that neither of them has any health issues after turning 30. Contracts like these are a huge gamble.
If I was the Ottawa Senators looking at UFA's Semin would have been my target from the moment Parise's demands became too great. He's got proven first line scoring ability and a lot more fight than people give him credit for. He's never been a ghost in the playoffs and he works harder than he's given credit for. Free agency is always a risk but for anything under 6.5M on a short-term deal he's a great asset. On Spezza's wing no way he scores less than 35, probably more. N
That's not even mentioning the value he could be flipped for if Spezza pumps up his goals and the team decides they don't like his defensive game or one of the younger prospects breaks out.
One thing however is very true. Spending a ton of money on free agents you thought would solve all our problems is very often the fast way to a shitty team (see the Toronto Maple Leafs). You almost always overpay and it's always a huge gamble in terms of how they will actually fit in with your team. The thing about drafting is you actually get to see if the player can be a valuable member of your franchise before you have to give him big money. There is a lot of hidden value in that. In prevents bad investments big time.
Parise is such a pussy whipped baby. His fiancee holds all the cards even though he nakes all the cash. Waht a woman. Im glad we dont have that sally playing for our team. It was bad enough when Fish got married and went soft. Having to see it happen again to a much higher paid player would be devasting.
My prediction: huge drop in pts around wedding time. Huge drop in pts whenever his wife gets preggers.
In summation: parise is a queer
wasnt aware a devils fan comments on here, anyways... you realise the wild now are actually a power in the west? not just because parise and suter, even without these 2, they would have become a PO team.
wouldnt you want to go home play with a team that actaully has a shot at winning something pretty soon?
fisher never wanted to leave us, are you joking?
I'm sorry but Parise is worth 7.5
I'd have him on my team any day for that amount. One of the most natural captains in the league and is one of the hardest working guys out there. Obviously his skill speaks for itself. I think what sets him apart is his will to be the best player on the ice every single night.
Now Suter on the other hand I agree is not worth that much. He's paid as a #1 Dman when he actually is a #2. Don't get me wrong, he'll def help them but he's still overpaid
Shea Webber asks to traded and Minny makes a serious pitch because they do need more help on D. Plus Minny obviously has the assets to give up. Obviously they'd have to send some cash back the other way but they also have the grade "A" prospects to package in as well and for them their 1st's are almost useless for the next couple years so why not throw them in as well.
Like someone just mentioned...Web ber wants his long term contract done NOW. When this new CBA comes out I bet the max is somewhere around 10 years and no front loaded b.s. contracts. Mark my words Webber gets traded this offseason. Because if he doesn't he'll just sign a 1 year contract and become a UFA exactly like Parise did. But the thing is Nashvile just cannot afford to loose Webber for nothing like Suter. That franchise is straight fucked. And again, just like the Nash situation... there aren't many teams who have the assets to give up for huge names like Webber. Were def one of them but like I said Minnesota is also in the game.
in summation: conor_smythe is a twat
I don't disagree that Parise is all that you said he is, however, there are other players making less that I'd gladly have in his place dollar for dollar. I'd put him at 6.5M max and 5M max for Suter.
I believe in what Murray is doing, but man, it's hard not to be a little disappointed that we didn't get at least one of these guys that we all wanted. I mean, Carle would have been real nice...
Oh well. I'm sure Murray tried his best.
GO SENS GO
and carle isnt a top 2 Dman, he and hedman are going to be an okay top pair, but on most teams thats really just a 2nd pair.
You sure?
Matt Carle is a real good D man. 5.5 for a two way guy like him in Free Agency is pretty reasonable. He's also under 30 years old.
A Carle-Hedman pair is an sick one.
Not gonna lie I was dreaming leading up to FA hoping for a potention Karlsson-Carle pair that would have been nice to watch.
I honestly don't have a big issue with the contract(all things considered like other insane deals)....again though, it makes Karlsson look like even more of a steal.
Diablo 3 gold coins don't count. Get out of the basement and smell the fresh air. That monitor tan you got on you is making you confused with reality. And repetitive. Zzzz...
Apostle: a twat huh? Ok. This'll be fun
Ive been a staunch supporter of all things senschirp for years now except name calling between posters. Its cowardly. Normally I would just say 'stop the name calling' and end it there. But since you decided to attack me personally and offered absolutely nothing in the.form of an actual rebuttal, i have no choice but to waste my time making.you look like an idiot indefinitely... until you learn some manners
For the love of all sanity....the SENS CAN NOT BUYOUT Alfie and then immediately re-sign him!!!!!!!
IF they were to buy him out he would become a UFA and not eligible to be signed again by the Sens until July 1, 2013!!!!
His current cap hit and salary are what they are going to be for the 12/13 season regardless of any possible extension he may sign.
The ONLY REASON we had a so called "buyout" on Alfie's previous contract was because of a loop hole in the current CBA that no longer applies.
The contract Alfie signed prior to the current CBA had additional "Player Option" years. Which under the current CBA are no longer available to be offered. So in order for the Sens to sign Alfie to his extension in 2008 they had to BUYOUT the PLAYER OPTION years of the "then" existing contract....whi ch is why there was a "buyout" cap hit for Alfie the last few seasons. They did not BUYOUT Alfie at that time...they bought out the "player option" portion of the contract.
Those types of contracts no longer exist and under the CBA contracts can not be "RE-NEGOTIATED" or "RE-WORKED"...t he contracts are what they are. It is done like this to avoid cap circumvention.
There is NO WAY or POSSIBILITY or LOOP HOLE that would allow the Sens to buyout Alfie's contract and then sign him to a new contract this summer.
At best they can sign him to an extension...but that will only affect his cap hit in the 13/14 season not the upcoming 12/13 season.
Elliot Friedman brought up an interesting point about this. Chances are NSH will match any offer sheet for Weber. So his suggestion was play hardball with NSH and submit a ONE YEAR offer sheet to Weber.
One of two things will happen:
A) you lose 4 first rnd picks but get Weber
OR
B) NSH matches and keep Weber, but because it's an offer sheet, they are not allowed to trade him and he could walk away on July 1, 2013 as a UFA
The more Interesting news though was the Lightning landing Carle. Aside from all the Suter talk, Carle to me, was the best bang for your buck D on the market. And the Lightning just got 10X better with that trasaction.
With those names out of the way, what will happen with Nash now?
About time Chirp! It is clear people get cranky stuck on a second page of comments for so long haha!
I've been thinking the same thing. The contracts being signed this year or ridiculous. Not to say some players aren't worth high value, but to sign some of the guys the way they did, it makes no sense and it just inflates the lower end players value. Guys who would normally get the 1 to 1.5 M will now demand 3 based on other contracts. I know where it's coming from, the new CBA will more than likely put a squash to it all. So players agents who are able to get that money now, are doing it. Also, a lot of these lower salary teams are just trying to bump themselves up a little closer to the expected cap floor so they don't need to sign even more players. I really hope they actually try and fix this in the negotiations, because it's getting a little crazy.
Conor - I think it's fair to say we both need to learn manners. I'm of the opinion that insulting somebody based on their race or sexuality (either perceived or real) is not very nice and generally identifies the person doing the insulting as an ignorant twat.
Most of the time people just let it go and ignore it which I don't think is very helpful. I would hope that the owner or moderator of this site would clamp down on such behaviour but that does not generally seem to be the case on this board except ion rare and extreme cases.
I don't think ignoring it is the way to go and believe people should be called out on their petty and ignorant prejudices.
Could I have done it in a more intelligent manner? absolutelly. Sadly i chose not to and agree with you that maybe I do need to learn some manners. So I resolve that next time I feel the need to correct somebody for their hateful, small-minded, insecure and petty prejudices I will do so in a more considered and mindful manner.