Other insiders and experts have listed the teams involved and seem to be overlooking the Ottawa Senators. The Oilers, Canucks, Leafs and Rangers are mentioned as the front runners but obviously the Sens Assistant GM knows something the rest of the so called experts do not.
The Senators are definitely in the running.
The team believes that the combination of available minutes and a chance to play on a team that is close to contending should be a huge draw for Schultz. The former Wisconsin Badger wants a chance to be an impact player and Tim Murray believes he has a chance to be that here in Ottawa.
The Sens also have a reputation for giving NCAA players a chance to play including Jesse Winchester, Bobby Butler and Stephane Da Costa.
While I would by no means call the Sens the favourite in the Justin Schultz sweepstakes, they are definitely at the table. As they have shown throughout this off season so far, Bryan and Tim Murray are committed to making this team better this off season.
- Sens Development Camp kicked off today with medicals and fitness testing this and on-ice workouts this afternoon. Mika Zibanejad is in attendance and indicated that he’s feeling better after suffering a concussion near the end of last season and according to a tweet by Allen Panzeri of the Ottawa Citizen, will play in Bingo if he can’t crack the Sens roster next season. Go here for the full Development Camp Roster.
- Steve Lloyd of the Team 1200 pointed out this morning that according to the team’s Development Camp Guide, goalie Robin Lehner has gone from 6’3/220lbs to 6’4/241lbs. That is one huge Swedish goalie.
- As mentioned on this blog yesterday, the Senators have shown an interest in retaining Jesse Winchester and Matt Carkner but have yet to reach out to UFA to be Zenon Konopka. Certainly sounds like Konopka will be headed elsewhere this off season.
- Meanwhile, Andy Strickland reports that the Sens have already begun talks to extend Chris Neil. Neil has one year left on his deal, paying him $2 million a season.
- Big loss for the Binghamton Senators was announced this morning as centre Corey Locke has signed an agreement to play in Finland next season. Locke was an impact player for the BSens and his contributions will be sorely missed. Locke played a huge part in Binghamton’s Calder Cup Run.
And I'd rather Konopka than Winchester. Winnie has been useful but his recent concussion problems is alarming.
Sens assistant GM doesn’t want to beg Rick Nash to come to Ottawa
The Ottawa Senators’ interest in acquiring Rick Nash is a curious situation. Nash would give them a major offensive weapon but Nash reportedly doesn’t have Ottawa on his list of teams he’d accept a trade to. What to do then if you’re the Senators?
Ottawa assistant GM Tim Murray says their pursuit of Nash is shrouded in a bit of secrecy but they don’t want to have to sell him on coming to Ottawa. Wayne Scanlan of Senators Extra gets the lowdown.
Generally speaking, Murray said, the Senators would not try to “talk somebody into coming to Ottawa,” beyond the usual pitch of this being a competitive club, a good city, with a friendly travel schedule.
“If you have to beg, it’s probably the wrong player that you’re talking to,” Murray said.
Nash could always alter his list or just say he’s cool with going to Ottawa and make things easier. Then again, maybe Murray makes a good point on having to campaign to a guy about coming to your town. If joining a playoff team and playing alongside Jason Spezza isn’t an enticing switch from Columbus, there’s not much else you can do aside from maybe cry a little on the inside.
Or just give it to Foligno who has same stats as Mueller
Mueller best year ever was rookie season and 22g/54pts and hasnt played a full season in 4 years. Not a fan
Foligno/Silf/Stone all deserve a shot over Mueller at top 6
Oh agreed. I'm a huge fan of Nicky.
Important to note that Murray also said they have no indication from Nash on whether or not he's interested in Ottawa despite some reports that he turned down a deal to Ottawa.
This isn't like when we traded for Heatley or even high-profile UFA signings like Kovalev. In 2012 Rick Nash would instantly step into a major leadership role on our team, and that would only increase as Alfie and Phillips fade away.
He'd need to be more than just a sniper. A definite NO if he needs to be begged.
The only thing Mueller is capable of doing is keeping Winnie company in the dark room. I think we have enough question marks in our lineup without adding another.
Too bad about Locke but I think Bingo will still be miles better this year even without him. If I were Murray I'd be open to trading a few of the B-level prospects as well if they'd help sweeten any deals. Then go and sign an AHL UFA or two to provide a bit of leadership in Bingo etc.
There was a big deal about Bobby Butler and Da Costa before they signed to if I recall and look how they turned out...
Also the fact that he is pretty much demanding top 4 ice time without even playing an NHL game in his life is kind of a turn off.
I people will say he is a high pick and not an "overager" but he has yet to play a single NHL or AHL minute...
I am sure he is a good player but I would much rather a player come in and earn his ice time (look at Cowen)
If we get Schultz thats fine, but I hope Maclean treats him equal to every other defender on our team and plays him accordingly
Is the Konopka contract not pending the Carkner one? I thought they still wanted to bring both back if Carkner's agent doesn't get in the way.
As for Winchester, I can only hope they just let him go. Between him, Butler and Condra, those are 3 roster spots taken and really only 1 of them should be on the team (probably Condra).
I'm hopeful they offer the Karlsson's partner gig to Shultz or at least can sell him on that possibility, but not going to hold my breath the way things have been going.
I read it over and over again in the last comment section and have seen it many many times when discussing possible additions to the Sens in the past.
Why do some of you assume this is a a given?
I have never heard of players thinking Ottawa was a shit city with a shit NHL club. The opposite has been true, where players love it here, want to stay here and have nothing but good things to say
It is almost always the same people saying it so just wondering why you are making those claims/assumptions.
As for the topic at hand re: Nash, he has not once said he does not want to come to Ottawa, it was just not on his initial list but that could change and there have been no confirmation of CLB even asking him if he would waive to come to Ottawa. Tim said what he said about not begging because that is where the line of questioning drew him not because he thinks he has to beg Nash etc.
He has only said he wants to go somewhere where there is an opportunity for top 4 ice time, he hasn't "demanded' it. IN Ottawa, he would likely earn the top 4 ice time anyway and the Sens could certainly use him.
Dacosta and Butler were undrafted longshot projects - gambles if you will. There is no comparison and I don't know why people keep bring them up and saying things like "look how they turned out."
would be a huge feather in the Sens cap if they sign him.
- jaz258
Where abouts did ya read that? Certainly haven't heard that detail on my end but that would certainly add fuel to the fire.
it was on hockeybuzz in the comment section.just wondering if its true.
Most people assume players don't want to come to Ottawa because:
1) not one of the big 6 clubs (original 6)
2) not on the coast (either coast)
3) it's cold up here
4) lack of a night life (apparently very important for young athletes)
5) metric system
6) much higher taxes
Now you guys might think that #5 isn't a real thing but a few years ago, i believe it was in Basketball, some athletes said they did not wish to play for the raptors because they did not want to subject their children to the ''useless'' metric system. I just think they didn't want to play for TO...
1- I thought the ball was in or court
2- I thought a deal was in place but Nash said No
3- I thought Nash hadn't said no, but its waiting on him
4- I thought CLB wanted more from us, so thats where the deal has stalled
So many reports on this and to be honest, coming to watch a development camp really shouldn't tell a team much about other team's prospects
The camp is to see where your prospects started and how they are now.
CLB watching a few drills, or some on ice really won't get much insight into how good/bad a prospect is
haha Antonio Davis
He also referred to Canadian history, saying he'd prefer his kids grow up in USA learning American History (which is actually somehwat a valid point)
I think we can all agree that Ottawa wasn't on the initial list that Nash provided to Howson.
Therefore it's safe to say we aren't his number one choice, or even in his top five if circumstances such as cap room and assets were no consideration.
I agree it is far too soon to be jumping to the conclusion that he won't come to Ottawa, but it's very clear he would rather be somewhere else if that could be made to happen. Therefore the conclusion will be that Nash would want Howson to explore every possible angle he can with the teams that are on the list before Nash would consider extending it.
Too early to judge Butler and Da Costa. Butler had a great rookie year and met the regular sophomore slump. Da Costa hasn't even made the NHL yet, but is considered a really good 2nd line C type prospect. Also Schultz was drafted, not just signed out of college as a free agent, his ceiling is expected to be a lot higher than the other two.
Yes he could fail, but as was pointed out yesterday by others, he's signing an ELC so the financial costs will be minimal if he fails and we'd be getting him for free.
Isn't that referred to as World history??
:)
Everyone says we need someone to play with Karlsson, and everyone has assumed that that person will be the guy that Murray trades for / signs this off-season. But Murray has said on numerous occasions that he wants a veteran guy, not necessarily a big name. I know you can't always take everything he says at face value, but in my view, the most logical person to play with Karlsson this year is Cowen. I know he's young, but he looked damn good paired with EK last year, and the only reason that changed was that injured players came back, and Cowen, as a rooky, started to struggle in mid season. With another year under his belt, and given our long-term plans for him, combined with the type of player EK needs to play with, to me, the D pairings for this year will likely look something like the following.
Karlsson - Cowen
Philips - UFA / Schultz / trade
Gonshar - Boro
Carkner
and some decent points Misaow, I guess I was just reacting to reading that about every single player that the Sens are pursuing that are either FA's or have NTC's (anyone with a choice)
The hold on Konopka (from what I was told and mentioned yesterday) is still related to what Carkner decides to do. Sens gave Carkner an offer, unsure what that is, and he's weighing his options based on what his agent has told him.
If we land Schultz, which would be amazing, what are the odds that Ceci cracks the bigs this year? I've heard mixed reactions to our draft pick, from he is the most NHL ready defenceman in the draft right down to he needs at least another year. If Schultz + Ceci are both on our blueline next year... wow, that alleviates a massive need for our organization.
Then is really REALLY makes sense for a Nash/Ryan type of trade. Stocked between the pipes and all set with talented defense, all we'd need really is a key 1 or 2 pieces up front, and a star 1st liner would really fit the bill!
Being hopeful I know but this is shaping up to possibly be an enormous season for us, we'll see how the chips fall during the next week we'll have a pretty good idea of where we are headed.
what colour is the sky in your world?
Hmm.
You would sign gonchar into his 40's for that much?? yikes
After this year we should let Gonchar walk! Ceci, Boro and Claesson at the very least should be ready to compete for a spot or two, maybe even Gryba, Wiercioch and Wideman.
Add to that whichever UFA D we sign this year and we'll be pretty full without him. Also, we'll need his hefty salary to put towards other players.
Could be worse, we could resign Konopka...yowse rs
there are better options out there for that price tag
Gonchar was born in April 1974, and has 1 year left on his contract.
He will be 39 next April, So he will not be offered any extension, or a new contract in Ottawa, as the Senators will replace him with a younger defenceman.
Also no to Gonchar, unless it's for league minimum, and only so we can trade him.
But gonchar is a leader in the room. If you watch sens TV clips you will see him in practice teaching players and is a greta mentor just ask Malkin
We need to keep him because of that
(insert sarcasm in referene to the intangibles many say Konopka brings aside from his 4 min a game and 7 FO a game)
I like him cause he would get the crowd into the games early last season, and he was bad mouthing ''Céline'' Dion Phaneuf at last years open house when i got his autograph.
Also some interesting RFA's did not get qualifying offers...
Latendresse - Terrible luck with injuries, Played VERY well when he was healthy for Minnie, might be an interesting gamble at a very low cap hit (like league min.)
Anton Stralman - Had a very good play-offs with Rangers... undersized but could be a good fit in a bottom pairing with gonchar or phillips. Good puck possession guy and would fit nice on the second PP
Marc-Andre Gragnani - One year ago made the Canada WC team and everybody was talking about big things for him... Really did not fit well in Vancouver but played Excellent in his short time in Buffalo, might be another cheap gamble
Benoit Pouliot - Was just traded to Tampa and likely to resign but you never no (would be an excellent fit next to turris and alfie)
Eric Fehr - I only put his name here because I recall somebody always mentioning his name ever year
I'm curious to see if our sumo wrestler goalie is blocking the whole net now! Lehner's going to have no problem clearing people out of his crease at 240 pounds!
Gonchar - please - Murray probably working the phones to trade him right now. At the very worst we should get a 2nd rounder for him at the trade deadline.
I hope Noesen really impresses - starts off where he left off on fire! Columbus rep back off Noesen. lol
20. Do believe the report that the Ottawa Senators is not on Rick Nash's list, but this would be a really good fit. He'd look great with Jason Spezza and Erik Karlsson creating opportunities. The Senators will need a top winger to replace Daniel Alfredsson (how could Alfredsson retire if Nash actually did show up?). This is a team with the assets to close a Columbus deal. Don't know how flexible Nash is willing to be, but it wouldn't hurt to consider this.
21. Another attraction to Ottawa would be that the team is on the rise. Senators GM Bryan Murray didn't want to discuss Nash, but did slightly temper things: "We've got a lot of good young players, but we have to see which ones take the next step and which ones 'flatten out.'"
22. One of the keys for Ottawa will be finding a new partner for Karlsson. Filip Kuba, as it stands now, is unlikely to return. Jared Cowen would be a good fit, but Murray doesn't see any reason to split up the successful Cowen-Sergei Gonchar pairing.
23. A lot of questions about Karlsson's new seven-year, $45.5-million contract. It was a bit of a surprise because there was a minimal bonuses and no lockout protection. Karlsson did the Senators a favour by taking less cash with Gonchar's and Spezza's current contracts still on the books, providing flexibility. Murray and Senators owner Eugene Melnyk repaid him with a longer term than they initially wanted. Plus, if the age of unrestricted free agency rises in a new collective bargaining agreement, they'll be forced to qualify Karlsson at $7.5 million -- the final-year salary of this deal. Fair deal for both sides.
http://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/opinion/2012/06/time-to-free-up-nhl-free-agency-30-thoughts.html
Thanks - I enjoy these "live action news reports" from real fans.
They're so much better than the coverage in the local McPaper and McTabloid
Thanks for the help ;)
Everybody else,
Time to slap some sense into ya!
Why all the fuss about Nash? Theres a dozen guys in the league to be had with lower salary and who will require less going the other way.
6 years at 7.8? You guys realize his cap hitis only 900k less than crosby and malkin... and he puts up nowhere near the numbers. Its a joke of a contract.
We may as well just see what kovalev is up to
Patrick sharp. Marian hossa. Bobby ryan. David backes. These are players/contrac ts we should be looking for
Nash is essentially being heatley to cbj. Why would we want an pverpaid spoiled baby.. again
Welcome back!
because nash pulled a heatley and asked to be traded?
In fact in all of this Nash has been nothing but classy to the CLB organization. If anything its Howsen treating nash like a douche and extending this sage 6 months long
I think signing him to a 1 year extension would be great for us. Chances are Ceci won't be ready next yeat and if he will he prob won't be good enough to take on a top 4 role yet. Gonchar will want to play in Sochi so hell want to play that one more year and I think he'll still be a very effective player. Having his presence on the 2nd powerplay unit is extremely valueble. And chances are hed re-sign for something like 3mill.
As for Schultz. I really really want this kid. That would be such a massive addition for us
Welcome to SensChirp, John Ferguson Jr.!
Old Rock Star Gonchar will be back in Pittsburgh for low money or in Russia for bigger money next year.
Please take note of any NFL scouts that are there to check out 240 pound Left Guard Lehner
hockey central just stated that Nash to
Ottawa deal hold up is #Sens not on his
list. Otherwise it would be a done deal.
I cant handle another wasted year with foligno and michalek
We need top 6 guys that can play in the 2nd half of the season/playoffs
Spezza has been going to waste since heatley left
this is just getting stupid now
enough with the revolving door of retard forwards on the top line. Get a threatening top 6 or bust...again
Well that's because CBJ seems set on waiting until July 1. Sens are still interested. Not much more people can say at this point.
Yep,
The rumor is almost dead and we all hope Nash will be trated anywhere soon. The only chance for the Sens trading for Nash was before the draft and now its finished, the Sens will have to target some free agency players next july 1st.
Man what a waste Spezza was last year finishing 4th in scoring and 6th in Hart Trophy voting
such a waste
We'll I guess Nash is just like the rest of the idiots
Do you really think by picking teams like Detroit, Chicago, Ny, that you will have a chance at a cup.
If he doesn't see the potential here then screw him.
False, since our offer never included a 2012 draft pick it had no bearing on us getting nash so we are still very much in the hunt
Van Riemsdyke is huge and fast!
Pot, meet Kettle.
The debate and conversation has been excellent in here lately and I won't let you turn it into repetitive comments about how much you hate Michalek/Foligno.
We did that at the end of last year and it became the focus of the comment section. Not gonna happen again.
Thanks
Only have so many spots, and I believe Weircoch is training with Randy Lee all summer anyways (along with Turris)
Age and numbers. Don't believe any of the 2008 picks (Wiercioch/Pete rsson) were brought to camp this year and Silfverberg is already coming off a long season.
Still seems as though some people believe Michalek was top notch in the playoffs
and how about Greening boy did he earn that top line spot
What a joke.. The team and the "fans"
Enjoy losing again Clearly Im the only one that hates the clear path of failure we are on with Michalek Foligno
Rick Nash is onlu 900k less of a cap hit than Crosby/Malkin and puts up nowhere near the numbers?? Rick Nash has never played with Crosby/Malkin/S taal/Neal/Letan g like those guys do. Look to the Olympics, he was unreal, he IS ELITE.
You put that guy on our top line and he's putting up 50 goals and 90 points for the next 3 seasons for fun. He immediately becomes the best winger scoring winger we have ever had and he's still in his prime. Injuries do become a factor as the body gets older later in his contract but if we want to win a cup in the next 5 years, we need to have a player like him on our team.
Murray is brilliant if he can land Nash for the right price and we have more than enough orospects coming in the future years who we need to make room for. Oh and also, don't forget people, there is an NHL draft every June where you can continue to draft more prospects. Quantity for Quality, the time is now!!
First ever post - felt good.
Go SENS
Thanks for the updates, Does Lehner look huge ?
Isn't Borowiecki there?
ZipZapRap,
You'll find if you act like an adult people might treat your opinions with a little more respect. Try it sometime.
Think VR would be a good prospect?
zipzaprap is also on penschirp saying they need to trade fleury because playoffs is all that matter
he is also on rangerschirp saying to trade Gaborik and he is also trying desperately to let any Canucks fan that will listen that both sedins need to go, because its been two straight playoff series where they have disappeared
Slapped down by the owner and you still bitch and whine.
START YOUR OWN BLOG !
He's looking ripped. Check it out.
http://t.co/4ELOt7Yb
He will be clearing his own crease.
He most certainly is. Good point.
Mendes, just tweeter this....best news so far
The players are at the Bell Sensplex for the 1st on-ice session of #DevCamp. #Sens TV will have daily recaps all week. http://pic.twitter.com/Rz49fQ70
MM9 and Foligno are both great assets but I think most agree our team would be much better if we had enough top 3 talent to push MM9 to the second line and Foligno to the third. Both are young enough though that they could find their way into a bigger role even with stiffer competition.
Barely even feels like there was an off season this year. Last season I was counting down the day till Development Camp. This year it really snuck up on me.
Looking forward to the scrimmage on Thursday
That's bull.. based on what Tim Murray said yesterday.
Bryan called Howson to find out what they were looking for in return for Nash. AND THAT'S IT. No discussions on if Nash would waive his NTC for Ottawa. No discussions on who they would want..
I would take Hossa back in a heartbeat over Nash.
Now Carkner may decide to go to July 1st (think I read that in the Citizen) and they are not going to re-sign Konopka.. then keeping Zack Smith is a necessity.
I don't want this team to be thought of as 'soft' anymore.
Rumours are Edmonton wants Hjarlmasson and will offer MPS.
EK was saying that the Leafs are in on Nash and have a great chance of landing him. Something like Kulemin, Kadri and a D should get it done. After all Toronto can offer as good as any other team.
Now what in the hell is this guy on?
They are also getting Parise, Schultz & Luongo.
So I guess Burke goes to Bettman and asks him if the Leafs can have a higher limit on the salary cap to get all of these great players.
Interesting to hear today on the Team that one of the things some of the owners/GMs want -- is to stop the 'rich' teams from burying their contract mistakes in the minors.. a la Jeff Finger and Wade Redden. Now I wonder how that will fly.
Murray on his phone for past 10 minutes...
hopefully its not with a Bell service rep, may be on it for another 45 minutes
do you mean you want to see more before passing judgement or that they haven't been impressive so far.
Thanks for that Chirp. I thought that zipzapCRAP was gone somewhere else.. Nothing but a Leaf troll. Make him persona non grata
Yeah I think so, longterm dev tho, showing just a bit more intensity and decisivness, good kid to have.
Ok Tooks. Screw the prospect updates, keep an eye on Murray for us!
Just kidding, great updates. When are you changing your name back?
Every player has a trade value. That being said these are the two guys I am most excited to see suit up next season and prove what they can do!
yes
www.capgeek.com is the best source great tools and can answer any cap related question
given qualifying offers to Nick Foligno, Jim
O’Brien, Kaspars Daugavins, Stephane Da
Costa and Erik Gryba.
Not if he wants more than 20 million a year they don't.
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2012/06/26/ottawa_senators_rick_nash_rumours_robin_lehner_mika_zibanejad/
"It's a marathon, not a sprint. They're doing what they think is best for me," explained Lehner. "They're not trying to go against me. They are trying to develop me as good as they want. I'm an asset to them and they want me to do as good as possible. You have to trust them -- they have lots of hockey experience in this organization. I'm 20 going on 21 and I don't know that much. I'm just eager to play and eager to show myself. I've been shooting myself in the foot sometimes and taking a couple of steps back. Now I'm trying to go forward here."
From the man himself - hopefully this stops the "Lehner is being mistreated and is gonna run back to the SEL" crap.
Robin Lehner has heard his name in the rumour mill this month, as the Ottawa Senators try to land Rick Nash as part of a blockbuster trade.
But the young goaltender insists that he is not expecting to be dealt to the Columbus Blue Jackets, even though he would likely be included if a trade was to materialize.
"I'm confident -- I'm not too nervous," Lehner said on Tuesday morning. "I really like this organization and I don't want to leave this organization. I don't think it's going to happen -- that's my gut feeling. If it would happen, then I'm an asset and they're going to use me as best as they can."
The Senators have a handful of young prospects that might be attractive to Blue Jackets general manager Scott Howson if he decided to engineer a trade with Ottawa. In addition to Lehner, prospect Mika Zibanejad's name has been tossed around as trade bait for Nash. The club's first round pick from last season says having his name included in trade rumours is something he has to learn to deal with.
"I guess it's a new thing for me as a young player in this league. But I guess it's just getting used to it," said Zibanejad. "There are going to be a lot of rumours and stuff. You just have to stay focused where you are right now and kind of deal with that when it happens. You can't worry about it that much because it's going to distract your training. So just block it out somehow."
Both Lehner and Zibanejad are in Ottawa this week to participate in the Senators development camp for top prospects. Lehner, who many feel is ready to play in the NHL right now, remains third on the Senators' depth chart for goaltenders.
After a rocky season, he is saying all the right things early on. Great to see.
see all 5 posts regarding lehner quote above
That said, Kenopka would do just fine IMO for the toughness and I'd prefer Kenopka on the 4th over Carkner as the 7th
I wouldn't sign Winchester Back and I'd do everything in my power to trade Butler, but my guess is they waive him ...
Defence for sure:
Karlsson, Cowen, Gonchar, Phillips.
Fringe:
Boro, Weircoch, Gryba, Ceci
Honestly, I wouldn't be shocked if Ceci made the team on a 9 game tryout...but in the end, the best thing for him is to spend another season in Junior...
I'd say Boro has a spot for sure and they will likely sign someone from the UFA crop...
Leaving Wiercoch and Gryba to fight for the 7th.
Up front, I have no doubts we will see another top 6 forward be added...and I wouldn't be surprised if 2 of MZ, Stone and Silfverberg start in the AHL if they do add a top 6...
Either way, the toughest decisions for coaching and management will be in a few years when all of:
Puempel, Noesen, Prince, Pageau, MZ, Silfverberg and Stone are ready to play....yikes, who do you get rid of then...LOL. I don't think ALL of those players will be bonafide players, but you gotta think 75% will be. Add to that, I think this time next year we will be having a good laugh of how Maidens was the steal of the 2012 draft...cant believe he slipped to the third round....unless he's the next Brett Lindros, he will be a player for sure...
I always laugh when I hear dumb fans saying that "LEHNER IS GONNA ASK FOR A TRADE BECAUSE HE'S BEING DISRESPECTED". Fact is, if he works hard and shows what he's capable of, he will be here sooner than later, but the bottom line is, there is no rush...like he said HE'S 20 YEARS OLD....lots of time. Lots!
trade him now
Karlsson - UFA
Gonchar - Cowen
Phillips - 2nd UFA
Carkner
If BoroCop, Gryba or Wiercioch look ready to play with Phillips then skip the 2nd UFA.
I'd slot Ceci to go back to junior but of course if he's lights out in camp then that's a good thing.
Worst case, with no new blood:
Karlsson - Cowen
Gonchar - Borowiecki
Phillips - Wiercioch
Carkner
Then you can start hunting for a trade or UFA next summer to take Gonchar's slot.
Gee I guess that talk with Alfie when he went to Bingo after his 5 game stint in Ottawa.. must have really sunk in... He wants to be here.. and Mr. Murray.. he had better stay...
If I was able to "thumbs up" this 20 times, I would.
Good post.
I would like one other D to come in (not including Schultz). Carkner as D7. D6 filled with a mixture of the Bingo kids to see which ones of them step up.
If we do sign Schultz I would still like another, more experienced, dman in.
Murray has not discussed any players in a trade for Nash..
So wait, add Schultz, Carks plus one more AND have D6 for the rookies to fight over? Who leaves? Gonchar ain't getting traded and Phillips sure ain't either.
Or am I misunderstandin g?
Looking at him, I'm shocked he's only 20. Looks like a man already. And now the maturity is kicking in!! Amazing!
I honestly think one of the best thing our Franchise has going for it is not only the scouting of talent but the Developing of talent.
We have no our staff professionals from every field necessary. Our power skating coach along with our strength and conditioning coaches have worked wonders.
Anyone remember how bad a skater Foligno was or even Spezza, O'Brien and now Stone??
Or how childish some of our prospects looked in terms of muscle mass i.e Karlsson
I think that really gives us a massive advantage especially over teams like Columbus which rarely seem to be able to take their bluechip prospects to the next level.
Again...lots of credit to Bryan Murray for hiring the best of the best
Meh
Agreed. Probably the best poast I've read on here
Scenario A
Karlsson, Cowen, Gonchar, Phillips, UFA, Bingo, Carkner
Scenario B
Karlsson, Cowen, Gonchar, Phillips, UFA, Schultz, Carkner
My rationale is if we sign Schultz and use a bingo kid we have a very inexperienced blueline.
OR if Schultz is signed on an ELC, won't that automatically be a 2 way deal and therefore he becomes one of the Bingo kids.
Yeah he deserves the minors... lol
Release the Lehner !!!
I wholeheartedly agree with meh as the clear winner in that group lol
on a serious note, I would agree mroe with Oates, Sakic a little less and not thrilled about the other 2 to be honest
Okay I'm with you then. Cowen's a sophomore and Karlsson's not showing it but he's still very young. So if we add both a Bingo rookie AND Schultz that's asking a lot.
One would say a good drill for shooters. But it's Tookie lol
Michalek/Spezza/Stone or silf
Puempel or Prince/MZ/Stone or silf
Puempel or Prince/Greening/Noeson
2ndround/JGP/2ndround
Ceci/Karlsson
Cowen/Boro
2nd or third round/steal
Lehner/Bishop
This isn't taking into account Maidens or whoever we'd get for Foligno or Da Costa or Butler if they are good or Schultz if possible or any other prospects or people I might have missed. As Sens fans w are in a good position.
Appreciate it. I have read these comments for over a year and finally decided to sign up and add my $0.02. Fact is fans are always trying to find the negatives in these situations but if you can make this move you do it. A big, olympic Canadian winger, who hits, scores a ton and is a leader is a player i've always wanted on this team. These are the guys you win cups with and I think that's what we all want in the end isn't it?
Nash lovers will not like this but ther is plenty merit to what is being stated here... 8 mil for 6 more years, and he seems to be going down in production not up.
And no it is not quite the Heatley, but there are some similarities.
I agree, lets look at other possibilities around the league before going after someonw who is not sure if he wants to come here to make 8 FREAKIN MILL a year!
What do you think about offering him a 32 M/6 years in Sens uniform??
This guy is a solid puck moving defenceman and a good shut down defenceman ready for 22-23 minutes of icetimes...
Sorry to hear that. Try Pepto maybe and also mix in some hockey lessons. And maybe spell-check.
Not that anyone would argue that if he's on our third line our top 6 must be really solid, but the guy is still young and improving so in 2-3 years he might be considered a top 6 guy other teams wish they had.
Side note: I hope they keep Lehner, loved him since day one. Attitude stays like that and he's got Lundqvist level potential I really believe that
yes Boro is there,
I really like the look of this Sdao kid, he is huge and can really fire the puck from defence
christ even phil housley had almost as many pts from Sundin and isn't in yet
Sundin 0 cups, 0 major awards, 0 1st-team all star, captained a gold medal winning team at Olympics is his only accomplishment
Now I'm not saying he doesn't belong in the hall, because he was a hell of a player, but a first ballot Hall of famer??? are you kidding me
I guess we shouldn't be real surprised. He had a solid year in Bingo last year, but glad to hear you say he's looking good.
I'm a bit more timid about a Nash move, but you make some good points.
Cheers.
Toronto bias in all things hockey. They all wear blue-lens glasses.
Paulrus is trying to make Foligno into a Brad Marchand type of guy. A toublemaker. Someone that can get other guys to do stupid things and penalties for it. An agitator.Folign o is just not used to that role and mistakedly gets goalie interference penalties when he is just trying to get in the goalies face and make the players mad. As soon as Foligno is used to that role he won't get as many penalties. I do agree that Foligno should be on the 3rd line if not fourth but thats only where an agitator should be.
It's a joke. I agree he should be in the HHOF but he also should be waiting his turn. He is not a first ballot HOF'er. Not when Bure waited 7 years and Shanny is still waiting there in easily had a better career like you said.
Just shows the power and influence that Toronto has in the hockey world by glorifying a great hockey player and making him look like one of the greatest ever whenever they can
I agree except for the part where you reference marchand then say agitators are only on bottom 6..marchand is a top 6 as well
You have a right to your opinion... here's mine.
You absolutely do NOT win the Stanley cup with one player or one line. Examples? Ducks, Penguins, Hawks, Bruins and Kings were all three line teams.
The best case scenario when trading for Rick Nash is that we become a top heavy team just like in 07.
Even if Nash were to score 50 goals for us (which he never would), the 8 mill cap hit he commands could easily be distributed to two or three players who would combine for that many goals. And in this scenario, the same number of goals are spread out over two or three lines making us a harder team to defend against.
The only reason to do this deal is if we stole him from CBJ, which will not be the case. Howsen will hold onto #61 unless he hits a homerun.
Why are we still talking about this particularly with Nash not wanting to come here?
I agree to a certain extent, but in the playoffs you can't under estimate the ability to score goals
In addition to that, we have so many young forwards that our top 6 aside from Turris/Spezza/N ash would all be filled with young players on ELC
our cap will never be a problem with the amount of young players we have
We will continue drafting young guns and look at all teams in the NHl and tell me how many top end contracts they have?
LA Kings:
kopitar 6.8
richards 5.75
carter 5.72
4 more guys all at 3 mill each
doughty 7
now lets look at us:
nash 7.8
spezza 7
michalek 4.8
karlsson 6.5
** I didn't include Alfie ebcause we all know his situation with money and cap space for next year
**Foligno*, Phillips and Anderson only other ppl at 3 mill
then next year we get a raise for Turris and year after Cowen and michalek
Aside from that we don't have any big contracts and all our star players will be ELC
when ELC expire thats when you re-evaluate
I thought for sure Shanahan would get in before Sundin.. but I guess it's like everything else.. the Toronto factor.
Well Alfie had better get in the HOF in his first year of eligibility.
You absolutely do NOT win the Stanley cup with one player or one line. Examples? Ducks, Penguins, Hawks, Bruins and Kings were all three line teams.
The best case scenario when trading for Rick Nash is that we become a top heavy team just like in 07.
Even if Nash were to score 50 goals for us (which he never would), the 8 mill cap hit he commands could easily be distributed to two or three players who would combine for that many goals. And in this scenario, the same number of goals are spread out over two or three lines making us a harder team to defend against.
The only reason to do this deal is if we stole him from CBJ, which will not be the case. Howsen will hold onto #61 unless he hits a homerun.
Why are we still talking about this particularly with Nash not wanting to come here?
Opinions are great aren't they?
I guess when you have it certain in your head that he A) can't score 50 goals here and B) doesn't want to come here, then it certainly makes yourself sound correct doesn't it. Truth is those are assumptions and based on nothing substantial.
This is why I said pple like you need to gain perspective. He could easily flourish in this environment (Elliot Friedman spoke of it today) and he has never said he wouldn't come here. We just aren't his first choice as the list seems to indicate. Two totally different situations.
Lastly, I understand your point about 3 lines instead of one but once you have a top line like we would have with Nash and a Norris trophy winning Dman, it becomes a lot easier for our GM to fill out those next 3 lines as it's very enticing for players to come here when they see where we are going. Those teams you named add those pieces over time once they have their superstars established.
skunkpound -- isn't this a new name.. possibly zipzapCRAP..
Opinion are great aren't they
I guess when you have it certain in your head that he A) can't score 50 goals here and B) doesn't want to come here, then it certainly makes yourself sound correct doesn't it. Truth is those are assumptions and based on nothing substantial.
This is why I said pple like you need to gain perspective. He could easily flourish in this environment (Elliot Friedman spoke of it today) and he has never said he wouldn't come here. We just aren't his first choice as the list seems to indicate. Two totally different situations.
Lastly, I understand your point about 3 lines instead of one but once you have a top line like we would have with Nash and a Norris trophy winning Dman, it becomes a lot easier for our GM to fill out those next 3 lines as it's very enticing for players to come here when they see where we are going. Those teams you named add those pieces over time once they have their superstars established.
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Thoughts?
I think that's a bit short-sighted. Yes you would have less cap room but any other forward of Nash's caliber is going to cost about the same. And assuming we can do it without giving up too many roster players we'd still have our "middle 6" made up of guys from this group (two may be gone the other way):
Turris
Alfie
Silfverberg
Foligno
Zibanejad
Stone
Regin
Greening
(and this is assuming Michalek is on the top line with Nash and Spezza)
So you can make a couple of strong lines from that group and most are going to be relatively cheap for a few more years. Then you have guys like Noesen, Prince, Hoffman, Pageau on the way up.
So I don't think we'd actually become a one line team by adding Nash.
Just as SJ was missing that one piece for playoff success and went out and got Hately, all were saying that SJ were the favorites.
It backfired on them.
Rarely does a team add a "superstar" to take them to the cup. It must be a team with 4 lines and 6 dmen that are all committed together.
Philly, the Rangers, the Leafs all tried to buy their way and failed miserably.
Yes Nash is a good player, but he alone will not make us SC champs.
Agreed that Spezza needs someone up there with him, but I think there are better options than a very hi priced tag Nash, who has 6 years left at 8 Mil, who acould have easily with one call to his agent taken the "Ottawa not on my list" out of the equation.
Explore other options
"Hello Zach Parise... we want to make you an offer you cant refuse"
You absolutely do NOT win the Stanley cup with one player or one line. Examples? Ducks, Penguins, Hawks, Bruins and Kings were all three line teams.
The best case scenario when trading for Rick Nash is that we become a top heavy team just like in 07.
Even if Nash were to score 50 goals for us (which he never would), the 8 mill cap hit he commands could easily be distributed to two or three players who would combine for that many goals. And in this scenario, the same number of goals are spread out over two or three lines making us a harder team to defend against.
The only reason to do this deal is if we stole him from CBJ, which will not be the case. Howsen will hold onto #61 unless he hits a homerun.
Why are we still talking about this particularly with Nash not wanting to come here?
Nash not wanting to come here is a complete rumor. If this were the case the Murray's would make this clear to the media so that they stop getting questioned about it. Stop believing all these rumors. It's quite sad really. Beginning to sound like leaf fans
Also I dont understand how people think we would be a one line team with Nash on it. Where did Turris go? Where did every other one of our prospects go?? Not like were about to trade an entire team for the guy.
Look at just about every Elite team in the league. They have at the very least 2 or 3 absolute studs who yes make somewhere in the range of 5-7 million if not more in some cases.
I'm sorry but we will never win with Michalek or Silfverberg as our top scorers. It just won't happen. They would be great complimentary players but not as the primary targets for Spezza.
But again...stop saying he's too expensive and/or he I'll make us a one line or top heavy team. We are absolutely littered with 2nd line, 3rd line and 4th line players and we will only draft more
If he'd take the salary of a 5-6 until he proves himself he may be worth a roll of the dice, but I think we may already have better defensive prospects than him.
He did have a fantastic playoffs 2 years ago (ppg player with Buffalo) and he is more NHL ready than our prospects. Wouldn't hurt to give him a shot.
Aye aye aye!
So now, Nash is in our rosters?? Happy to see he was traded this afternoon sooo quietly!! Chirp have you missed this one?? Lol
I think you're forgetting Boston. No superstars. Stanley cup champs a year ago.
These types of deals have a history of blowing up in your face, particularly when you don't know what you're giving up. I'm sure that the Flyers wish they could mulligan the Lindros trade and take back Forsberg.
And where did all those other prospects go? I'm guessing at least three of the best ones went to Columbus.
Yah this would make plenty of sense to me
we dont have to give up anyone, and should come cheap,
Nash - Spezza - Silfverberg/Stone
Michalek - Turris - Alfie (DAMN what a 2nd line!!!)
Greening - Smith - Neil
Condra - O'Brien - Silfverberg/STone
Butler/Regin/Daugavins
With Noesen, Puempel, Da Costa, Hoffman, Peterrson, Prince and others in the AHL. Hardly a 1 line team.
It's possible to be bigger and leaner. 20lbs heavier but all muscle?
Really not that concerned, the kid had the best scores on all the physical tests last year and the year before as I recall.
Thanks for providing this list, there are some very interesting names on this.
Correct me if I am wrong but did Stralman not just have a great series against us with the Rangers?
I thought was performing very well for them, very suprised to hear he was not qualified.
For sure he or Gragniani should be given a go
Rush so we would be getting Nash without giving up anyone of MM9, Foligno, MZ or Silvfer?
no way to add with subtracting
their must be a deduction from our current roster in order to get Nash.
And that is what worries me, what do we give up?
Rush didn't include Foligno or MZ in his list. The rumored offer was Foligno, Zibanejad, Bishop (with maybe another lesser prospect).
If we have to give up more than that I say walk away. Certainly in the number of guys off our roster. If they want MM9 instead of Foligno but settle for a lesser prospect than Zibanejad (Peumpel?) then maybe consider that. And with them getting Bob-bro maybe they don't want a goalie now?
I think we all would agree that giving up too much off our roster for Nash makes sense, but we do have plenty of quality forwards to put together a fair offer that leaves our top 6 really solid.
Sure that was just hypothetical top 6, but most agree the point would be to add a top 6, not just trade one (9MM) for another one in Nash.
Now I'm not suggesting what pieces we'd need to move, that's been beaten to death and back already, but yeah you would notice there is plenty of talent not included in the names I listed, including Foligno, Zibby, Stone, Smith etc...
Fair enough Hax, but I would rather someone who WANTS to come here.
The fact that this rumour has been out there forever, and Nash has not made the call to his agent should be a red flag, I would think.
Agreed but we really don't know anything. For all we know Nash is actually cool with Ottawa and even excited but Howson wants to drive the price up.
Don't get bent out of shape over the rumors.
Maybe he hates the idea and does not want to come to Ottawa. Maybe he is trying to just do the best for his current team + himself by waiting to see what options Howsen comes up with, maybe Ottawa hasn't even been presented to him yet.
None of us know, so I am reluctant to assume he would be happy to come here for sure, but I am also reluctant to assume he doesn't want to come here, just because nothing has been done yet.
Cheers!
"Since we mentioned him above, let's start with Schultz. Neither the Maple Leafs, the Ducks nor his agency (Newport) would discuss it, but heard Anaheim allowed Toronto a window to try and sign him at the draft. (There would have been some draft-pick compensation in return.) He wants to test free-agency -- who can blame him? -- and passed. It is believed he is meeting with his agents today to discuss a shorter list of teams and is to begin discussions with that group Wednesday."
So if they was the case.. and he was so eager to sign in Toronto.. then why didn't he?
How in the hell did Sundin get iin (on his 1st ballot) over Shanahan. If he wasn't captain of the Leafs that would not have happened. Who's next Domi?
Haha! We're in exactly the same mindset today apparently!
Well said Rush. Too many rumors to react on the inaction!
Don't kid yourselves people, the HHOF is a business. If you'd ever visited you would know they are just as kitchy-commerci al as an airport gift shop.
The HHOF happens to be located in Toronto. The organization likely couldn't wait to get their hands on Sundin for marketing purposes. After all, the easiest way to increase attendance is to cater to the local population.
I am constantly amazed that people actually expect businesses to be run "fairly" or "without bias" when there's more money to be made.
Just as the NHL is becoming more about business and less about hockey, the HHOF is looking out for the HHOF; not for fairness to the players. Besides, inducting players is hardly an objective process and opinions vary greatly.
Well Pat Burns coached in Toronto. Why do they keep overlooking him?
On top of that, it's close to impossible to get 20 pounds of muscle mass in such a short time. You can add mass, on top of muscle, but no way in hell can you add so much so quickly. Anyone that trained hard can tell you that.
Guys, the same reasons why Sundin made it on the first ballot (Toronto bias, HHOF in Toronto, most of the decision-makers being from Toronto) are the same reasons why Alfie won't be. Unless we win the cup for him that is.
That is likely the case of course but I don't get the impression Lehner is a hard gainer. He's been described as a complete freak physically and that's in comparison to other NHLers. So I doubt it's out of the question that he's gained some mass but stayed lean (remember the official weight from last year is from training camp - not like he would have gained 20 lbs in a couple of months).
How short you taking about last camp he weighed 224 now year later 241 .. adding 17 pounds is possible
http://senators.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=10324
Agreed!
But I still think it's the other way around from what I saw and from what management said.
I think him having leaned out might be the best thing for him. Keep that frame and add more mobility.
Love the new attitude too!
Yeah agreed, but again, not really worried about it too much. If there's anyone in the entire org we don't need to worry about conditioning with it's Lehner. Closely followed by Greening. We really don't have anyone that fits the "better get to a gym" profile though.
Even 17 pounds of muscle in one year is really pushing it. You'd have to be a gym rat and spend hours every day in the gym. These guys don't get to do that.
But like I said, I think it was a typo and that he actually leaned out, which is good.
I think this has the real story with Schultz not some ramble from TSN spokespeople.
Not according to the Bowflex DVD I just got in the mail.
(I kid, I kid)
Ha! Wouldn't it be awesome!
Just making sure people don't confuse weight and muscle mass.
Speaking of, gotta go train and do my part!
Considering Marc Bergevin wants more french player in Montreal, i think the chance to see Parenteau in Sens uniform are very slim. The only chance would be outbidding them and i don't think Parenteau is good like he was on the Tavares line.
I think he gets in eventually but you just know those bastards will make him wait. No Leafs cultured human being thinks Alfy is even in the same league as Sundin. What would drive down attendance at the HOF more than their hated rival Alfredsson being inducted?
Probably a little bit of a conspiracy theory, but not totally insane to think about.
Who said this years Free Agents isn't that step, sure some of them are signed players but this is a very big year in my opinion.
Which part of "free agent" do you not get?
LOL
But even removing Nash, Ryan and Luongo there are a few options out there. Especially now that some RFA are being added to the mix.
I was one from the beginning who said Carle would be a great addition to the Sens. I actually found a site that posted stats (very well done actually) and put the details into a post on here and it showed that Carle was the next best option behind Suter for what he provides on the ice and being the type of player he is, very underrated. I wish I could find that site again, but it was great. If he's available, sign him up!!!
I'd also love Carle. And, now I'd love to grab Gragnani and give him a great chance to prove himself. One thing about unsigned RFA's is that they are usually very hungry to prove they belong.
Records
[edit] NHL
* Tied-21st in career goals (564, shared with Joe Nieuwendyk)
* 33rd in career assists (785)
* 27th all time in career points (1349)
* First European-born and trained player to be drafted first overall in the NHL Entry Draft (1989 by the Quebec Nordiques)
* Only Swedish player to reach the 500 goal milestone (564)
* Most career points, goals and assists by a Swedish hockey player
* Tied-Fastest overtime goal (6 seconds, shared with Alexander Ovechkin, Simon Gagné and David Legwand)
* First Swedish player to reach 1000 points
* One of two players (Marcel Dionne) to record at least 20 goals in his first 17 NHL seasons
* Most games played by a European born-and-traine d forward (1346)
[edit] Toronto Maple Leafs
* Goals (420)
* Assists by a forward (567)
* Points (987)
* Tied-assists in a period (3, Darcy Tucker, Matt Stajan and Clarke MacArthur)
I still have his rookie cards ;) blah!
* TV-pucken Champion as part of Team Stockholm 1986.
* Swedish Champion in 1990.
* First European born player to be drafted first overall in the NHL Entry Draft. (1989)
* Named to the Elitserien World All-Star Team in 1991, 1992, 1994 and 1998.
* Recipient of the Viking Award in 1993, 1994, 1997, and 2002.
* Named to the World Championships All-Star Team in 1992 and 2003.
* World Championships' Best Forward in 1992.
* Named to the Canada Cup All-Star Team in 1991.
* Named to the World Cup of Hockey All-Star Team in 1996.
* Played in the NHL All-Star Game in 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003 (injured) and 2004.
* Named to the NHL Second All-Star Team in 2002 and 2004.
* Named to the Olympic Tournament All-Star Team in 2002.
* Captain of the Swedish national ice hockey team in the 2006 Olympics in which Sweden acquired the gold medal.
* Achieved 500 goal plateau on October 14, 2006.
* Achieved 1,300 points on February 7, 2008 vs the Montreal Canadiens.
* Awarded the "Mark Messier Leadership Award" in 2008.
Maybe we're a little guilty of anti Leaf bias here?
the problem isnt that if he is worthy of being a HOF, its more of how fast he got it doesnt make sense.
Islanders offering the Blue Jackets all their
picks for the 2nd overall: the only people
who can actually confirm what was said
between GMs Garth Snow and Scott
Howson are not confirming. Some believe
that if it had truly been offered, Howson
would have accepted.
What type of Sens fan are you? Are you even a sens fan at all? In fact John Wendell Holmes Lived in London, Ontario his whole life and the closest hockey team was the Toronto Maple Leafs! Meaning that the man your account is named after is a leafs fan!!!! Traitor!!! Burn the witch by the stake!!!
or he could be named after the porn actor with the really big cock
LA = Richards and Carter
Chicago = Marian Hossa
Anaheim = Chris Pronger
The list goes on...
And doesn't your point about pitching for Parise sort of contradict your point in the end? You know he's going to get 7.5mil+ right?
I'm all up for adding Nash, or Ryan, or Parise, and paying the price. We have the cap space, the prospects to trade, and it ultimately makes sense to beef up our top 6 with real talent - not an experiment. It will only serve to get the best out Spezza and Spezza will get the best out of this player.
Plus, we may need to fill a huge void on our 2nd line RW. Or perhaps give him the opportunity to win in his final season with the Sens.
Phoenix GM Don Maloney says Shane Doan will test free agent market.
If that's true... want. that's the type of move we should make: it would be a short term deal for top 6 forward (as Murray would say a 25 goal scorer) and a guy who brings a crapload of leadership to the table. And we WOULDN'T have to give up a ton of prospects for him!
what source reported that?
maloney said it himself on NHL radio. and its now blown up all over twitter. not fake.
I'm interested to see what Bryan Murray will try to do.
I hope he lands Nash, if not, it's not the end of the world...
Parise would be awesome here, Suter would be great with Karlsson.
Nonetheless, whatever happens and whoever goes wherever should be interesting to see
Go Sens!
Yes, but there is no doubt that Suter would still play well with karlsson...
I'm not expecting him to come here, but hey, I'm allowed to dream
I think Rick Nash is aware that he does not want to create the same incident Heatley did in by refusing his NTC to be moved to Ottawa so I think after waiting long enough, Murray will eventually get his man, hopefully on Canada Day the earliest and not like when Heatley was traded in September. And if not, when he plays in Ottawa, he'll just get the same treatment. The price will be steep as obvious but may change in our favour with time passing by and no serious takers. If nothing can be settled by the time October rolls around and the price includes a 1st rounder, a goalie, an active player and a prospect, then fuck it and walk. No need to overpay as everyone stated. I really do not want to stress the Rick Nash saga anymore than it has already culminated. Though at the same time having inexperienced wingers who are young (ie: Noesen, Silfverberg, Stone, etc.) or late round guys who just can't exceed potentials (Greening) then Spezza will never achieve great success since you guessed it - Heatley was here.
Here's hoping to land Nash without overpaying or Parise who for whatever reason decides he wouldn't rule out playing in Ottawa and for our young guys to develop into the 1st round potential players (Zibanejad, Noesen, Puempel) they were sought out to be.
or the AVS -- That's another rumour. Sorry missed the Col part in the attached quote.
Did the Avalanche move? If so, what's the name of the team in Col Sandy?
COL as in COLOMBUS. clearly they need someone with big feet to fill Nash;s big shoes... but seriously they are probably both going to NYR with Ryan. Night life, the lights, the MnM store, whats not to love about NYR. forget raising you kids, Im sure their wives just wanna rail coke and go out in the Big Apple
ottawa has a beach
/sarcasm
True, Britannia is one fine beach. Used to party around those parts a decade ago in high school. Westboro is just too crowded. Mooneys is dirty though a good time at hope volley ball. I try to avoid Orleans and Petrie Island.
Yeah noticed that... my mistake
I'm
Just bugging you. I've been caught a few times making a similar mistake before I could correct it.
See, stupid iPhone!
Ugh, wideman is getting old.
Sure, Sens want experience at a cheap cost, but wideman made mistakes in the playoffs for WSH, his prime days were in BOS, and they're long gone...
Hope BM lands a different Dman
Quoting DrSens:
The abbreviation for Columbus has always been CBJ, and for Colorado it's always been COL...
I'm glad someone finally brought up the point that Nash isn't a bonehead like heatley, and he knows how much Ottawa hates him more what he did... He doesnt want to be in that situation...
My bet is that if Nash comes to Ottawa, he'll like it the more he plays here because there's no doubt he and spezza and the rest of the team will have success.
Doan is 35 - NOT the answer.
The abbreviation for Columbus has always been CBJ, and for Colorado it's always been COL...
we know. sandy screwed up. no big deal
BOOYAH !
And we need yet another bottom six guy because ....????
Because Jordin Tootoo is awesome...
Back in his boozin days, I witnessed Tootoo down 3 beers at once. Yup, he had the bartender open all three, grabbed them in a bundle in his hands and poured all 3 down in one drink. This was a few years back and some of the other guys were saying it was his party trick.
1 Zach Parise 7 PA Parenteau
2 Ryan Suter 8 Matt Carle
3 Alex Semin 9 Ray Whitney
4 Jason Garrison Florida 10 Shane Doan
(33 points, 3rd most goals defense,)
5 Jaromir Jagr 11 Dustin Penner
6 Justin Schultz 12 Olli Jokinen
Thoughts?
I'm hoping Schultz and his advisors feel the same way, and that it may convince them that this is where he has the most opportunity...
Ive done something like this...you have people pouring the other two kinda like a waterfall into the one you are chugging, Gets you uber hammered...ther e is a video of me somewhere doing this and getting all three down(with a bit of spillage) in just over 9 seconds.
(proud younger moment #1 lmao)
Funny how I mentioned the possibility of adding Peter Mueller, the guys over at silverseven posted this http://www.silversevensens.com/2012/6/27/3118640/should-peter-mueller-be-a-realistic-free-agent-target-for-the-ottawa#storyjump
If we miss out on Nash and Ryan, I wouldn't mind Mueller. He's a good player.
That being said, I am still a big fan of our boy Nicky and would rather see him succeed.
Hmmm...I can see Vancouver not having a D problem, but Edmonton. Well Whitney is the most offensive of the top 4, I think EK is better. Win Ottawa. Then they have Petry, Smid and Schultz. Petry is the puck mover, 2nd most offensive and I'd say Kuba/Gonchar both have similar ability, if not better puck moving ability. Win Ottawa. You can easily match Schultz to Phillips in a defensive defenseman type of role, which they both play well. Give that a tie. As for Smid he's your Shutdown guy, which I think Cowen is becoming but has a better offensive upside as he progresses. I'd say Tie. Now maybe I'm just being a Sens fan and over evaluating it, but I wouldn't say Edmonton's top 4 is stronger than the Sens.
Now if what you are laying out is just to entice Schultz to come to Ottawa, I don't think you need to do that. All you need to say is we have a possible opening in the top 4, because Kuba isn't coming back. You interested in trying out?? If we don't land him, we still have Karlsson, Phillips, Gonchar and Cowen and personally I'm ok with that going into this year.
regardless of how much gonchar or phillips have regressed we still have karlsson and cowen
karlsson cowen gonchar phillips
vs
smid whitney schultz petry
laughable
Would be great for him to read all of whats being said, and provide him the platform to clear the air
as for schultz meeting with reps meh this stuff happens and I'm sure if we weren't in the aformentioned twitter era no one would notice or care
Not questioning that, but we already have a overflowing bottom six. Adding Tootoo just means we'd have to trade away someone else (likely someone younger, cheaper and who possibly could develop into a top 6 player).
I agree Tootoo would be a terrible acquisition. I can't even imagine the Sens looking at that.
JARRETT STOLL IS GONNA BE PLAYING WITH PAULINA GRETZ THIS SUMMER
He and Kramer are going to be the Bingo versions of Carkner and Neil. Good bodyguards for our prospects.
hence the rarely... and Carter/ Pronger not the same type as Nash at all, or even Hossa a different type than Nash.
So you question paying Parise 7.5 Mil, yet you are willing to pay an older Nash 7.8 over the next 6 years?
Personally Parise, fits in more like a Carter or a Hossa, than Nash, which in my opinion was a Heatley back when Heatley was good,
I would definitely get Ott before Tootoo, not even close for me.
We don't need bottom 6 players anyways, but at least Ott brings something to the table other than grit.
Because he is by no means anywhere close to the type of player Heatley is
If you say Parise is a more complete player, maybe but to an extent. Nash is a leader and is a 200 foot player
The guy is worth the money, and sure maybe he is slightly over paid but he has never not delivered, all on a very very shitty team
Ott would be way better. He does cost 2.9 mill a year for next 2 years tho and wont come cheap
He would probably cost us a puemple/pagueau /prince type of prospect
For that reason I'm out. He would be serviceable and great on our line-up but I'd rather just go and try to convince Gaustad at 3 mill to come for free via UFA.
Meh. Not sure what Ott brings that isn't already there in guys like Nick Foligno and Chris Neil.
The one thing he does bring which would be in theme of yesterdays convo is that he was the 12th best face off guy in the league last year. Thus eliminating a need for winchester and Konopka and we could use that money on ott
Ott would then become our go to PK face-off guy and can chip in secondary offense
But like I said he won't come cheap trade wise, as not many guys bring the skill set and deliverables he can
Not that this has any bearing on Ottawa cause I dont see a fit for either but man what a blow to a team that is finally on the upswing
Those two leaders have shaped that team, and now it will remain to be seen if last years "overachievers" in vrbata and hanzal and smith can continue or will we see this team rock down the standings once more
C'mon I am getting tired of the "poor Nash has no on to play with"
Players who make 8 mil make other players around them better.
Nash has not done this.
Malkin does not play with Crosby, in fact he plays better when Crosby is not in the lineup.
The facts are the facts, and Nash is the highest piad player making less than 70 points in the NHL ( 59 in 82 games last year).
2009-10 Columbus Blue Jackets NHL 76 33 34 67
2010-11 Columbus Blue Jackets NHL 75 32 34 66
2011-12 Columbus Blue Jackets NHL 82 30 29 59
those numbers are not worth 8 Mil per year!
Spezza has played with Greening, Butler, Winchester, Kelly, and on and on, and he always racks points and makes those beside him better.
IMO Nash is an expensive risk, whereas Parise, and/or Doan will cost less, and fit in better
last year:
prospal: 16g 39a
Brassard: 14g 27a
Umberger 20g 20a
2010-2011:
Umberger: 25g 32a
Vermette: 19g 28a
Brassard 17g 30a
Now we all know Nash is more of a goal scorer, so I ask you, would these 3 relatively "shitty" players or players not known to carry a team put up these type of points?
Keep in mind we have all seen Prospal and Vermette first hand. and Brassard is and was almost pushed out of town last year in CLB
Your being Naive to think that nash doesn't make players around him better, and your naive to think that Nash playing on a shitty team is not a legit excuse.
The guy still puts up over 30 goals a year with no help. Michalek put up 35g with spezza and karlsson feeding him all year
think about that for a second
Nash getting set up by umberger, vermette, prospal, brassard, voracek
vs
michalek getting set up by spezza, alfie, karlsson, turris
and all michalek managed was 5 more goals.
shows the skill and what nash can bring to the table
he can create and score on his own, something our team does not have
Just taking the names of players you mention, Nash doesn't have anyone matching the skills of a Michalek, Alfie, Neal, Letang and so on. If you want a comparable player look at the years Eric Staal has when Carolina doesn't make the playoffs and he plays center which is a natural point generating position compared to wing. You're mistaken to think Nash doesn't make players around him better.
So here is my thinking...
Whether trade or free agency, do whatever we can do to score a primo quality player, the likes of Ryan/Nash/Parise.
If we fail on all three of those fronts OR we land one of them but it costs us 9MM as a piece? Gun hard for Parenteau.
Best case scenario we land a world class top 3 player, middle case scenario we add a solid guy like PA. Worst case scenario we let our youth and top bottom six candidates battle it out for those spots.
This is all assuming of course that our god-like Captain will be returning for one last kick at a Cup.
All the nash trade rumors has taken us completely away from the Alfie retirement watch
We have not even talk about it in over a week in large detail, which is awesome as it just allows Alfie to move on with his day to day life and when he is ready make a decision
Keep in mind we have all seen Prospal and Vermette first hand. and Brassard is and was almost pushed out of town last year in CLB
Vinny Prospal was almost a point per game player the year before in NY, and he digressed playing with the superstar Nash.
I think Nash would benefit playing with Spezza for sure, I disagree in that he is the superstar that will lead us to the Stanley Cup.
he has never had an 80 point season
Again IMO, he does not make those around him better, he needs other players, not so much with other elite 8 Mil type stars.
lets just agree to disagree I guess.
thinks that it’s possible that the Blues look
at Filip Kuba.
Seems a little much at 5.25MILL on average per year...