Depending on who you talk to, it could be a very busy draft weekend for the Ottawa Senators.
They are scheduled to pick at 15th but as you know, draft weekend can be a big time for trades and it sounds like the Sens may be looking to deal. In an interview with the Team 1200 on Wednesday, Tim Murray twice used the expression, "looking for a dance partner."
Speaking to the organization's strong prospect pool, Murray readily acknowledged that the team is in a position to trade quantity for quality. And while it may be jumping to conclusions a little bit, that sounds an awful lot like a Rick Nash type deal to me.
You can bet the Senators will at least explore that option leading up to and on Draft weekend.
Obviously the top priority for the team remains signing restricted free agent defenceman Erik Karlsson to a new contract. Murray also discussed this topic during his interview with the Team 1200 and even went so far as to suggest that the two sides already generally agree on the term of the deal.
People I have talked to speculate the "term" both sides agree on could be in the vicinity of three years. Should be interesting to see if the two sides settle on that kind of short term deal in the end.
- A signing by the Colorado Avalanche yesterday afternoon raised some eye brows around the league. UFA to be David Jones inked a 4 year/$16 million deal with the Avalanche. The same David Jones that had 37 points last year. You can bet Nick Foligno and his agent were seeing dollar signs after that deal. Obviously the situation is a little different because Foligno is an RFA but you know that Jones contract will come up in negotiations.
Is it because I brought up the David Jones signing ? haha
Here is my comment of the last post...
Wow David jones getting 4 million a year. Same type of player as Foligno. Now can everyone agree it's time to trade Foligno !? If not you've given Kuba's salary to Foligno. I like the guy and he has shown major improvement over the years but to me he is another Peter Scheaffer. Time to sell high and call Buffalo to make a move. they could be willing to part with their 21st overall if the 10th is untouchable. Writing is on the wall. Say good bye To Nick Foligno Sens Fans.
Haha sorry bout that! This post was a little overdue to begin with.
I was thinking that after the Kuba news. It's clear they really like Foligno, and it would not surprise me if they moved Kuba just to give him more money. He's well respected in the locker room, and is a community guy.
His agent has to be looking at 2M minimum. No way he's worth 3M+ though IMO.
Rick Nash and a quality dman
Maybe both can come from CLB?
Tyutin or Methot?
A deal of that magnitude would most likely never happen but you never know.
GO SENS GO!
Not liking the idea of trading good assets for older guys though. I hope it doesn't happen. I want this team to grow and be competitive for the next 10+ years. Hopefully they stick to that mantra.
It won't be quite as high but what do people think if it's at or just north of $3 mil?
OK, ~$3M for no more than 2 years.
It's a bit of a 'carrot on a string' scenario for Foligno. He improves a bit, he gets another contract that reflects his improvement. So far, it's been modest improvement, for a modest increase. But lets keep him at an affordable price while he's still an RFA and have him EARN a contract that's big $$$ and long term once he's an impending UFA.
Agree. I'd even be fine with a three year 9.5 mil contract. Stone and Zibanejad will be due for new contracts in three years right? Three years wouldn't force us to give up any forward assets without the time to make a smart decision.
I dont know man, anything higher and its a huge committment to a 3rd line player who plugs 2nd line. I would prefer under 3Mil but with what Jones got u can bet it wont be lower than 3Mil
Karlsson will sign here no worries, the amount will be between 6-7Mil per season and closer to 6Mil per if longterm.
I would actually try and trade Foligno to Buf for a pick (1st or 2nd round)
that being said, I'm not opposed to signing a big name as long as he's under 30 and a reasonable salary :)
For
Nash and Methot
No touching of Noesen-Stone-Zi bby or Silfverberg.
BOOM sold!
Murray DO IT!
I don't want to move those guys either (or Lehner), but I feel like we'll be losing at least one over the next month.
I got over Rundblad. As long as the return makes sense I'll get over whoever else we lose as well.
3rd line center? Where have you been, he NEVER played 3rd line center.
Fans are so unfair to Foligno and all he's done is improve some part of his game every year. He deserves something in the 3mil range and the David Jones contract only confirms that. As an RFA I agree with Chirp that his salary will likely be a bit lower than that of Jones.
Neil makes 2mil to fight and antagonize opposition players. Foligno antagonizes, will fight and offers offense as well, but also plays in key situations.
The only thing I don't like about all the SENS prospects is that they are mostly right handeed shots - makes for lots of guys down the line playing their off wing.
Michalek on our onw team makes 4.3 mill.
Foligno for his career has basically been a 12-15g 20-30 assists guy
He will fall in the 2-3 range, especially as a RFA
also Murray challenged Foligno to be a top 6 guy, Foligno obviously accepted. You don't pay a guy north of 3 mill if your challenging him to leave the 3rd line. This shows to me Murray will probably be looking at a 2 year 5 million deal, and if Foligno meets the goals, then he could look into Jones type figures as he himself approaches UFA status
Quality post.
I like the one proposal posted here, and figure something like that is what it will take...I think its a steep price but its obvious that there will be a bunch of decent to great offers so ours would have to stand out.
No way, go to arbitration and get a one year 2.5 million deal. If this season he finally becomes that talent we are looking for, then give him the 4 mill. If not, then trade him @ the deadline.
LOL - Pavelec beats out Spezza for the play of the yr, I guess Spezza doesn't have as many fans as most here think he should have. Tough yr for the Spez, he was somewhat ineffective in the playoffs, Team Canada turned him down & now he loses to a not so famous goalie from Nashville, haha.
eh?
...nashville...
Do you even watch our games or is it all in the numbers?
These guys wont take us anywhere near the finals.
without using more of our assets in a trade, instead of constantly bitching about these two
tell me straight up who murray can get back for them in a 1 for 1 deal or 2 for 2 deal that would be realistic and an improvement
or even search the UFA market if you like
Agreed!
On the Nash topic...
I hope you're right chirp and it does sound to be something along those lines. However, what about trade for Webber?
I personally think Murray is going after a big name defenceman. And Webber is one of very few that is possibly available this year.
Thoughts?
But MAN OH MAN, could you imagine ek65 paired with Webber. That would be stupid
Dream scenario for sure, but I'm worried it'd be a cap nightmare somewhere down the line.
Exactly, at 70mil the average salary on a cap ceiling team is 3.5 mil. So you have 3rd liners making about 3 mil and 2nd liners more in the 4-5mil range.
Saying a player is overpaid because he makes millions to play a game is one thing, but saying he's overpaid when in the NHL market he's actually not is done way too often on here.
Yeah but everyone seems to think the new CBA will result in the cap going down (which I don't personally agree with). So it could be even WORSE than it looks.
One thing to remember though is this is the first NHL playoffs that have been broadcasted nationally in the US. The revenue potential between that and having LA in the finals could counteract any % reduction the players accept.
Same goes for great individual plays, they happen alot more than great saves. I personally thought that Malkin had the play of the year, that was a beauty!
I think IF Spezza would have finished the play with the goal he would have won hands down!
Instead he passed it towards the front of the net hoping someone bangs it home.
Yes we would be... and would be another one down if Alfie retires.
Murray has liked Michalek for some time.. that's who he wanted in the Heatley deal..
But if you have to give up something to get something.. then one of the forward prospects have to go... It will probably be Puemple.
I have seen several trade scenarios on Hockeybuzz (Yost) and have heard on the Team 1200 -- that include Lehner in that trade.
Now can someone explain to me why the Sens would trade the better of the two goalies?
If the Sens can't find a 'partner' to move up in the draft and the players they wanted are gone.. do you think they would stand a chance of trading the 15th overall to the Islanders for Calvin de Haan? He was the 12th overall in 2009... I like Bogosian also.. but I think the price would be really high..
Spezza lost because of the anti-Sens vote.. not because he did not score on the play. Thanks Leaf fans... oh and congrats on that great loss last night by the Marlies in OT. A fluke goal that after the game was determined it was off-side and should not have counted. That's what you get for pushing the vote to Pavelec. Karma's a bitch!!!
Haha, so true Sandy! It's great to see them lose in the finals because they were trying so hard to pretend to be this year's Binghamton Senators.
Local boy too.
I doubt NYI would part with him though as he's a buddy of Taveres and was basically their second pick that year to keep JT happy. Plus a 12th overall with 3 years of "seasoning" is usually supposed to net you a top 10 pick isn't it (i.e. the three years moves you up, not down)?
Would be fine by me if we can swing it of course.
Maybe our 15th plus a depth forward prospect or something?
As of right now, our lines look like this.
Silfverberg/Stone/Butler - Spezza - Michalek
Regin - Turris - Alfie
Greening - Z. Smith - Neil
Stone/Silfverbe rg/Butler - O'Brien - Condra
And if Foligno makes 3 million plus a year then shouldn't we be looking to deal him ? Sell at High value ? Then it's time. I like the guy but re-signing him takes more opportunity away from Stone/Silfverbe rg which I am against.
He was a first round pick and is now hitting his prime. Buffalo's 12th overall is a fair price for both. JIMO
When it comes to our current roster, I'd rather see them keep Foligno, and see if he has yet another year of increased production. If someone could be moved that would gain great return it would be Michalek. It has nothing to do with me not liking him as a player, cause I do and he played great last season. It would be more about selling high.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who remembers all the talk when 9MM was brought in, everyone worried about his previous injuries, he'd never perform to his early SJ days. Well, he did it this year. Will he do it next year, can't say for sure. But with that in mind, it wouldn't be a bad way to move 4.5M (obviously other assets involved) if you're after a guy like Nash. It would only end up a 3M difference. And if I had to pick one of these 27 year olds, I'd pick Nash.
In your opinion he is better, its not a proven fact. In fact what is proven is Bishop can consistantly play at the AHL level, Lehner hasnt done that yet.
Also why Lehner instead of Bishop...becaus e its been touted that Lehner has a higher ceiling than Bishop, wether thats true or not nobody knows but some GM's will fall for it and offer us a better deal.
So we're giving unproven low end player like Regin priority over Foligno? Butler too? I don't get you guys, you obviously don't realize all the small things he does beyond the score sheet. There's a reason he's been on the ice at the end of close games so much this past year!
You know what, let's trade him, you sens fans don't deserve someone who works as hard as him game in and game out. No appreciation and it's absolutely pathetic!
Like someone mentioned up top. What's the point to bring in Nash if Michalek is gone. The point is to bring in Nash and have him play with Spezza and Silfverberg, then drop Michalek to play with Turris and Alfie. Now you can say you have a very strong TOP 6. Stone can be our new plugger play him fourth line and plug him in when injuries occur so that we don't rush him but he needs to learn what the NHL is about before taking that next step.
Acquiring Nash without giving up Michalek is what we need to do. Right now we can get more for Foligno than Michalek because of $$.
Signing Regin was a stupid move, I'm so against that guy its not even funny. He's going to take up a roster spot for one of our young guys. Hate Regin man! Here's to hoping he gets injured early so his spot is better filled!
Hey numbnuts, I give them priority because they ARE ALREADY SIGNED FOR NEXT YEAR !!
Yeah and there is a reason we lost those playoff games when Foligno was sitting in the box for his STUPID interference penalties...Guy is a clown, hasnt hit 20g yet and mostly plays 2nd line.
Well you know.. Tavares could join him in Ottawa.. LOL... Did not realize that... but would that stop the Isles from moving him if the price was right?
Like someone mentioned up top. What's the point to bring in Nash if Michalek is gone. The point is to bring in Nash and have him play with Spezza and Silfverberg, then drop Michalek to play with Turris and Alfie. Now you can say you have a very strong TOP 6. Stone can be our new plugger play him fourth line and plug him in when injuries occur so that we don't rush him but he needs to learn what the NHL is about before taking that next step.
Acquiring Nash without giving up Michalek is what we need to do. Right now we can get more for Foligno than Michalek because of $$.
YEah no doubt but I think CBJ will not let the Sens slide MM9 out of the package, he's our only proven scorer and they would need that to balance the loss of Nash, everything else we are giving is not proven...ok Foligno is a proven 15G scorer who takes stupid penalties, not sure CBJ would want that.
Fuck I hope Sens are after Nash & a D (Methot would fit in nicely with Karlsson)
Then sign Jackman and were set!
Well it will be a mistake to move Lehner. The Sens will find that out after the fact... But I guess it's my opinion.. but I think others feel the same way.. Lehner had more success in the AHL in his short pro tenure than Bishop had in 5...
Wel JT is a franchise player, it would take our franchise player or atleast half our cupboard of your prospects to get the Islanders to send us De Haan AND JT....wow!
And you are upset at what people are suggesting for Nash btu want to bring in JT and De Haan...give yer head a shake!
He was given those penalties because of his reputation.. not because he actually did it... The crutial one in game 6 he was guided into Lundqvist by 2 Ranger players... yet he gets the interference call? That was bullshit.. through and through.. and was probably one of the reasons Peel never saw another playoff game...
Foligno really wants to be here. I think he will work extremely hard this summer to do what Murray asks... Score more goals. He will also have to learn to go to the net.. but stay away from the goalies.
It's up to the league to instruct the refs to make the call on the actual play and not the reputation of the player...
Tookie.. I was joking about Tavares... come on.. no way he will be moved.... I was referring to De Haan when I said -- would the Islanders move him if the price was right.. I was not talking about Tavares...
I would say almost impossible if a deal for Nash is in the works, 9MM would be moved. And Ottawa wouldn't mind the trade off salary wise, less on the books total. We fill the holes with young guys like we did last season.
Haha, ok, and I'm the idiot here. He's an RFA meaning he's on our team until we trade him. Your excuse holds no water as no one is doubting he'll be re-signed.
Any bozo can win the Calder Cup, look at the long list of goalies who won it over the years, not many famous names there. A couple yes but majority are no names.
I would much ratehr have a consistant proven goalie than a 1 shot Cup winner who is inconsistant, but thats just me.
If there is one thing that angers me more than playoff non calls, it's the stupid reputation call. You hear it all too often by the announcers. And more on that, you get into suspensions with repeat offender attached to it. Base you judgement on the call at hand, not what happened in another situation. Man that bothers me.
How easily you forget the amount of time he wasn't on the 2nd line. Thanks for reaffirming my thoughts that I'm debating this with people who aren't actually looking at the facts.
I never said penalties weren't a problem for him, but again he's as young as some of our prospects who haven't even played an NHL game, he still has plenty of room to grow, but hey let's give up on him cause he's not a point per game player.
YEah no doubt but I think CBJ will not let the Sens slide MM9 out of the package, he's our only proven scorer and they would need that to balance the loss of Nash, everything else we are giving is not proven...ok Foligno is a proven 15G scorer who takes stupid penalties, not sure CBJ would want that.
Fuck I hope Sens are after Nash & a D (Methot would fit in nicely with Karlsson)
Then sign Jackman and were set!
I think Colombus knows it'll be near deadlast next season and in the Mackinnon running. they don't want salary and "scoring" that Michalek would provide. I think they prefer to acquiring many picks so that they can choose who they want in the draft and rebuild that way. They are not REtooling like us they need to REBUILD from the ground !! Nash can be had without giving up Michalek.
My bad and I dont see why we would get De Haan anyways, he aint rdy and we can get a similar D with our 15th pick.
The best way to shore up our D is to go UFA, Jackman, Garrison, Carle, Wideman, Allen, Hunwick...and of course Methot from CBJ in a trade with Nash...
Out of that WEAK group of defenceman I sure hope it's Jackman or Allen.
Draft is only 2 weeks away but it feels far away. Need some Sens news to get my fix.
Go after Webber, let Suter sign for $8M with Detroit.
The only way we can acquire Weber from Nashville is by giving them EK65. Unless you are talking about Yannick Weber.
Could be but highly doubt they try and go for 1st overall again, they tried that this year and didnt even get it, haha. If the 1st overall pick was garanteed to go to the worst team fine, but it aint.
Oh and in an interview with Yakupov about possibly being taken by EDM, he was asked if he would play RW to make it work in EDM or something similar, he replied he would play in nets if he had too! Different breed of Russian there boy, this kid is gonna bring it everygame!
Oh and Damn I wish we had Landeskog......
LOL Hax has been hit by a rock to the head.
You think Nashville would actually do that, lose Suter AND Webber, lol...
Webber is already under contract, Suter might leave, either way they aint losing both of them.
And what the hell do you think is fair trade for Webber (this should be interesting)
LMAO
He's right, no way Nashville lets both of them go, even if Suter re-signs, it will take our best prospects plus some proven elite players to lure Webber away from Nashville, who is a contender.
Tookie, if Brust had of remained in net the B-Sens would have lost in the first round. Kleinendorst said after winning the Cup if it wasn't for Lehner they never would have won... He was 19 yrs old... and playoff MVP. The third only teenager to do that.. Price & Roy being the others... and believe me they are not bozos.
Remember the B-Sens had a lot of key injuries on the defense during that run... Rookies Cowen & Borowiecki were in the lineup along with Raymond, at times I believe. I would not exactly call Lehner a bozo.
Well Price is a bozo, he hasnt won anything since but Roy was ok, I guess.
Tell me what has Lehner done since winning the Calder Cup?
Robin Lehner
Games 40
saves = 1275
GAA = 3.26
Save % = 0.907
SO = 1
Ben Bishop
GAmes 41
Saves = 1309
GAA = 2.27
SAve % = 0.930
SO = 0
I don't see why everyone has Lehner as the next Sens #1. If Bishop is in nets for the Sens Calder Cup, they win anyways.
Thumbs me down but I am a Bishop beleiver. The only thing that scares me is possible injuries because of his height.
Trade Foligno to Buff for a first. Then Package both 1st's with Lehner and Puempel for Nash. Draft Houser in third round.
Nash - Spezza - Silv/Stone
Michalek - Turris - Alfie
We're set and making a push for Alfi's last season without hindering our future. DO IT B-MURR !!
Wait. So Buffalo 1st (from ridding Foligno), our 1st, Lehner AND Puempel for Rick Nash, alone.
Two 1st rounders, a 2nd round future potential goalie and one of last year's 1st rounder for Nash alone?
What have you been smoking, good sir?
Tookie it's been one season since the Calder Cup and Lehner did not have a good season.. I'm not going to debate that. He had a couple of injuries and let's face it played behind a pretty poor team. I mean they lost 7 of their 12 forwards and their top 4 D..
But I get it you don't like Lehner.. you prefer Bishop who the Sens have seen for exactly 10 games... where Lehner has been around for much longer.
I'm not comfortable with Bishop in net...but I am with Lehner.. He had as many wins in 5 NHL games this year as Bishop had in 10.
I guess it comes down to preference.. I would sooner have the goalie the Sens have had for about 3 yrs.. than the one they have had for about 4 mos.
first off lehner had 2shutouts.
2nd, mr stats guy. you didnt take wins into consideration.
lehner went 13-22-1. because bingo was a HORRIBLE team..
bishop 26-15-0 with 6 shutouts on a much much better peoria team.
its been discussed 100s of times here. bishop is going to be the more consistant goalie.
lehner brings more to the team than just saves, you may not realise it but team mates love having characters in the lockeroom (look at daugavins..). lehner doesnt only steal games. he can steal series. and does it with swagger.
"Sens note
Door not closed on Kuba. I think they are looking at a one year deal.
Sens interest in Kuba
Senators GM Bryan Murray told ESPN.com Friday that he’s touched base with Filip Kuba's camp (agent is Richard Evans) and hopes to do so again in a week or so.
Kuba played most of the season alongside offensive machine Erik Karlsson in Ottawa and is set to become an unrestricted free agent July 1.
"We’re interested in keeping him but obviously it has to make sense for us financially," Murray said.
Kuba, 35, just finished a three-year deal that paid him $3.7 million per season. My guess is that Ottawa would want him back for south of that figure."
Maybe he was told by Suter's agent.. no chance he comes to Ottawa... (that's if teams can let the agent they would be interested before July 1 == if the player becomes available).
Happy Friday.
to Winnipeg
Nick Foligno
Mika Zibanejad
15th overall
to Ott
Zach Bogosian
9th overall
I'd take Z-Bad out and swap the Win 9th overall for a 2nd or 3rd from Winnipeg...but that's just me...
"B.Murray and Howson have been in trade discussions for Nash for the past couple of days according to a person in jackets organization..T he players in return from Ottawa arent named theyre believed too be 2 NHL ready prospects and the 15th overall deal could be done before or on draft day pending approval of the move from the Nash camp"
Thats how u start a weekend !!!!
However, he can't be awarded contract more than $2.75-$3M cap hit. The ideal contract will be to sign him with a cap hit of $2.75M for 2 years. Let him earn by delivering the goods.
Nash wont be a Senator because it will cost us one of Bishopor or Lehner & for sure Zibby, Michalek & a top pick. Obviously, we will receive Nash & defensive player from their camp.
Also, I am not sure Nash wants to be here. I can see him heading to Chicago or SJ.
Don't shoot the messenger. Copied and pasted from AHL site Mister Moe.
Don't touch silfverburg in our prospects and wow...within two weeks we may see a huge indication of our direction/the end of the rebuild.
Alfredsson-Spezza-Nash
Silfverberg-Turris-Zibanejad
Foligno-Regin-O'Brien
Greening-Konopka/Winchester-Neil
Karlsson-Carle
Gonchar-Cowen
Philips-Wideman
Anderson
Bishop
I have faith that NASH would see the logic in coming home to Canada in a discreet market with the best puck moving D on the Planet. I can see it.
For Defense, clearly I'd love to see Suter wearing a Sens jersey but if that isn't possible, I think Wideman would be an excellent edition.
If the Sens can trade for Weber before July 1st that gives Nashville time to get Suter signed (basically choosing Suter over Weber).
Could get used to the idea of Nash and while I'd hate to lose Michalek or whomever would have to centerpiece that deal on our side it would of course be worth it. If the rumors are true about "two NHL ready prospects and our first" that seems a bit scary. Wouldn't the "NHL ready prospects" be Silfverberg and Zibanejad? Or Stone maybe? I don't know that I'd want to give up two of those guys plus our first just for Nash. One of them and another lesser prospect maybe but even that hurts to think about.
Firstly, whats 'the wire', where can this be seen for others to look at....
Secondly, No shot Murray trades two NHL ready prospects for Nash, unless one is a goalie, but even at that, its still not enough.
I wouldn't be opposed to trading one of Stone or MZ, but we all know Silfverberg aint going anywhere....and I can't see both Stone and MZ going the other way.
I could see something like:
15th overall, Foligno, Puempel, MZ for Nash, but Im not sure that would be enough...
Apparently Howson turned down from NYR at the deadline a deal that was two - 1st round picks, Erixon, Kreider and Dubinsky.... thats a hefty price tag.
Again, I think it will be hard to land Nash and I wouldn't trade away TWO NHL ready players. Thats a high tag IMO. I'd be going for Kane from CHI if I could....younge r, lots of upside, has won before and likely cheaper to get here.
Either way, I do believe before next season starts, Ottawa will be less a few players you saw this year....Kuba (obviously), Butler, Winchester, Kenopka and I do think Foligno could go as well. Condra is possibly dealt too.
Not sure...
It'd start with one of Stone or MZ, 15th overall and likely a roster player of some kind....not really sure who though. Maybe Bishop or Lehner, although I think trading one of those two is a mistake.
Although Im not opposed to trading Michalek, I don't see why Ottawa would bother...he's starting to fit in here and in another year you'll be down Alfie which is a huge hole to fill....If any top 3 or top 6 forward is coming here, you likely won't see Michalek as part of the package....just my opinion....
Yes, you are maybe right but I think it is a case of the new fans to a new team make their stand on their player getting the nod, and maybe some leafs fans that are haters...
To Ottawa:
Rick Nash
To Columbus:
Milan Michalek
Patrick Werchioch
15th overall pick
Bobby Butler
2nd round pick 2013
it is a lot but It keeps our key pieces in place for the future and lets us have a top 3 forward that we need, I think Columbus would at least think about this deal in my eyes, 3 players and 2 picks so 5 players for 1, would make sense to kick the tires at least on this deal
involve in the nash trade
Now I'm not saying Ottawa will be a place that Parise will want to come to, but there's no harm in trying first before we deal away a package of awesome prospects for Nash or another player of that caliber.
Nash has 6 years at 7.8 million remaining on his contract. I would love to see Murray offer Parise a similar type cap hit on a long term deal.
Parise would cost us nothing in return whereas Nash will cost us some impressive prospects. I hate the idea of losing at least 2 of Zibanejad, Silfverberg, Stone, Noesen, and Lehner, as well as our 1st round pick and a roster player or 2 for Nash.
At the end of the day, both Nash or Parise would have to decide to come here. Nash has a NTC and Parise is a free agent so they have the power. Given that Nash only had 5 teams on his trade list this past season and those teams were Philly, NYR, Pittsburgh, San Jose and Detroit, I can't see him waiving his to come to Ottawa.
If we are posting like to see here is mine
Nash Spezza Alfie
Parise Turris Silverburg
Greening Regin Stone/Ziby
Foligno Smith Neil
Suter Karlsson
Nikitin Phillips
Cowan Borowecki
Gryba
Anderson Lehner
I don't think trading players I have not listed gets it done though, for sure the players left would be quantity.
Michalek Bishop Condra Butler Petersson Dacosta Gonchar Puempel, keep some move some.
I am high on Lehner but it seems BM is not so it could be Anderson Bishop in net.
I also like Petersson as well but it seems BM or PM not so much.
To Ottawa Nash Nikitin
To Columbus
Michalek
Gonchar
Butler
Condra
Puempel
in my dream Gonchar waives his no trade.
The problem is, is that the Nash deal will take place before the draft, let alone July 1st. Murray could easily lose out on both by not making an attempt at Nash.
With regards to giving up two prospects, think about it this way: the senators have an abundance of forward prospects. Giving up two will not necessarily hurt our team. With Zibanejad, Silfverberg, Stone, Puempel, Noesen we would need to trade players anyways to try and squeeze them all into the top 6. Why not move a couple to get a bonafide star player to play with Spezza?
Ottawa has one of the deepest prospect pools in the league at the forward position, so don't be too afraid of moving multiple pieces. The 15th overall will be the piece to make the deal for Columbus. It allows them to pick a player they like.
Its hard to envision what the sens would have to package in order to get Nash from Columbus seeing as (supposedly) NYR packaged 1st round picks, Erixon, Kreider and Dubinsky at the trade deadline and were turned down. My guess would be:
Michalek
Zibby
Puempel/Noesen
15th overall 2012
for
Rick Nash
David Savard/Cody Golubef (columbus defense [prospects)
I'd love to see some realistic counter-predict ions if people want to throw them out there. Feel free to make predictions if Ottawa were to make a move for Patrick Kane too, because I've heard he may be on the move as well.
Zibanejad
15th overall
Puempel
or
Bishop
Michalek
15th overall
Me too. But I think that's underpayment and Chicago wouldn't take it. Is that te max you would go? Guy is sick. Proven winner and competitor. Some attitude problems maybe but he's young. Could be conditioned to snap out of it.
If MM9 is traded as part of the package, them we are still missing a top 6 player, and losing two prospects that might be very capable of scoring 30 goals.
As always, in BM I trust. He knows the prospects and if the deal makes sense a whole lot more than anyone here does because of the off camera knowledge of the players.
On the surface, it feels like a rush move to sell the farm for one guy...even Nash.
I dont disagree. I don't think Michalek is thrown into this trade though. I think if Ottawa can lose one of there big prospects like MZ added with some filler, picks and Matt Puempel, Id take it...In the end, I have a feeling Nash won't waive to come here. I think they are looking at someone off all of our radars...
Im not sure how much further Id go...Id consider throwing in Foligno and a mid-tier prospect, but you have to look at it this way, Chicago would be getting cap relief - enough to shop for Suter and/or Parise if they move Kane.
Like I said before, I have a feeling Nash won't waive to come here and they know it....Id also take a hard look at Bobby Ryan. He would be a bit less than Nash and has more upside IMO.
I think Ottawa would likely be talking to Anaheim just to see if Ryan is even available and what the asking price would be. Gotta think its a one of: two good prospects and a 1st or Roster player, good prospect and a first.
I think they either move up a few spots or they move the pick all together in a trade for a pretty good player OR they do something similar like what they did with STL and Runblad, get a player already a year into development.
I agree about picking at the 15th spot. I agree about bobby Ryan too. Love his upside and proven offensive strength. A 9mm-spezza-Ryan line makes me drool
I'd like a guy thats after points in a stat column someday knowing he loves to hit but smart about the play.
abit of a rant but Neil as much as I love this guy he doesn't seem to hit or fight as much.
Makes sense, however, Murray also likes to trade picks for players they liked before who already have a few years of pro hockey under their belt that fit into the rebuild I.e the trade scenario I mentioned before. Ottawa loses 2 solid prospects and our first pick this year for Nash and a defensive prospect. Nash is a great player who's young and we get a player who may push for a roster spot next year.
How do you know that Murray is not high on Lehner or Petersson? Did he say so? Or is it your best guess?
Bishop was brought in last year when Anderson was injured as Auld could not do the job and Lehner had a few injuries last season... Did the Sens play Bishop more than Lehner to let other teams get a look at him?
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How do we exactly know what teams Nash had on his 'list'. It's only a guess by the media. Nobody has come out and said who is on that list. Nash played on Spezza's line in the World Championships before. He knows the chemistry could be there. Hopefully he sees the potential in Ottawa and he could be the difference in a run this season... If Michalek stays and Alfie plays one more year. Hell the acquisition of Nash may be a deciding factor for Alfie to play one more year...
Sens don't have a 2nd round pick in 2013 -- that went for Bishop..
First minute I turn it on I see a guy make a sliding tackle and the other guy grabs his neck in pain...sigh
Next minute a guy gets brushed and lays in pain for a minute before simply getting back up...
I quickly changed it back to the Calder Cup, haha.
sorry to say this but you are in a minority to hate on soccer. there is a reason its the most popular game in the world.
i know the game is getting worse with the "diving" but its just part of the game now. we even see some of this same diving happen in a contact sport (hockey). and we see it even worse in basketball.
in soccer, players fake tackles and injuries to delay time and to frustrate the other team, its all strategy.
Soccer is the most popular sport in the world because it is played everywhere and anywhere due to the fact you need only a ball. Aside from the occasional spectacular goal, which are few and far between, it is the same as watching chess with soap opera characters playing the role of athletes.
Mt two cents, and yes, I grew up playing soccer.
im not saying you are wrong but having the opportunity to play some and watch soccer in several other continents outside of N.America, would change your view as to why its the most popular game.
Soccer is my number 1 sport, but in N.america i put it even lower than basketball.. only because the N.american soccer style is just pure ugly.
anyways ill stop talking about other sports on a sens forum..
I absolutely despise watching professional soccer though. The turn the game into a complete and utter farce with all the BS diving/acting crippled.
Tonight SC Finals
Draft only a few weeks away...
Good time to be a hockey fan
Oh and uh soccer sucks...
On hockey: who do you think we realistically pick at #15 (if we don't trade the pick) I think Ceci will drop to us and we pick him
WOHOOOOOOO
(in terms of the pundits I mean ala Karlsson )
I would be happy with Lindholm or Aberg ( he played with zibby and outperformed him in the delegation tourney)
TM did say they could trade quantity for quality during his most recent interview on the radio. So for people saying that there is no way BM trades 2 of our young NHL ready prospects for NASH - this does not match with the TM statement.
I think some of the thoughts on what will be required for NASH are perhaps over-estimation s. What NY offerred at the trade deadline may have been their best offer. It is entirely possible that Columbus will be offerred LESS now for Nash. What it will take to get him will not be Columbus' call. It will entirely depend on what the other teams offer as their bottom line. Columbus will not establish the price the other 29 teams will because the GM must trade him.
NFL playoffs don't start for 6 months, what are you talking about?
I was talking about Euro 2012 :) (I dont know why you americans don't use proper name )
..gtfo
you are aware that the word soccer is an abbreviation of the word association and was initially used by the English?
Sorry, for me it's like basketball or baseball, Booooooring!
Call me ignorant but that's just my $.02
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3) Why do you Brits not care about your teeth? Even your supermodels look like they have a mouthful of dirty, broken, ceramic tea cups!
Hi Sandy
yes it is just best guess, could be he wanted other teams to get a look at Bishop.
just kind of surprised Petersson did not get much of a look at all this year on the Petersson side.
I get a feeling we will keep Bishop, he is a cheaper backup and better backup than Auld, bringing up Lehner almost seems like a last resort.
I get that Lehner needs to play games to get better and the AHL he gets that, I thought Lehner would have been brought up to at least play some of our back to back games before Bishop came around.
There will be some big moves this off season, time will tell who gets moved out in the deals.
BM has a plan on how he wants the team to look, I still think Alfie said I will come back for my cheap contract but I want to see the money used to give us a legitimate shot at the cup.
Alfie knows and likes all they guys on the team but it is obvious we are lacking in the top 6
We have Spezza Alfie Michalek Turris as top six, the rest are fillers, decent fillers but fillers just the same.
soccer = amputee sport
22 Drama Queens chase a ball around a cow pasture and then Germany wins
LOL - I vote that you change your User Name to
"I know everything about soccer"
Yashin in NYI.
Trading the farm for Nash and his rediculous contract is not the answer. If you follow hockey you know that most knowledgeable people credit Ottawa for having one of the best prospect systems in the NHL. Given 3 years we will have one of the best teams in the league.
If we trade for Nash the best case scenario is that we end up with the top heavy team from the Heatley years.
Please no.
Nash isn't coming here, Id highly doubt he'd waive to come to Ottawa. I think Ottawa is 'looking to deal' with someone else....possibl y Ryan out of Anaheim or Kane from Chicago. Maybe there is someone off the radar which we aren't thinking about out...
Like I said above, MZ and Silfverberg should be untouchable. I think if they are shopping a high end prospect, it should and likely is Stone. With Noesen and Puempel coming I truly think one, if not both can provide what Mark Stone will bring. I have no doubt he will be a good player, but I think he has the most work to do in order to become an everyday Top 6 guy, the other two IMO are ahead of him.
Silvferberg has superstar written all over him and MZ has the potential to be a Jordan Staal type of player...
My biggest fear is that Silfverberg will become the next Brunnstrum --- yikes!
The goaltending depth shouldn't be touched til this time NEXT year, at which point I think you will have seen what you have from all 3 for a thorough length of time and can make a good decision based on that.
Players Ottawa should be shopping to get rid of though:
Gonchar, Foligno, Butler, Condra
People on here have just one way of thinking. If you have to deal 1 or 2 prospects + + U get Nash and in the not too distant future you trade Nash for 1 or 2 prospects + + so how do you come out on the shortend?????? We get exciting Hockey anyway you dissect it!
I feel we have in him one of the best 3rd liners who can play on the second line. I think that
People just want to trade him because he hasn't developed into a true 2nd line talent.
He is in my opinion the kind of guy who is built for the playoffs, great on the boards, forecheck, and possession My only problem is he needs to learn to pass. He gets into the zone controls the puck then just skates up and down the boards. If we had a true top six I firmly believe the fans wouldn't pile on him. That being said most of his points came this year when he played center.
I'm not opposed to trading him, but he fits into the leadership group perfectly.
Pair him with Neil and Greening I thing we would have a very strong 3rd line that would keep the puck deep, crash and bang, and provide solid scoring opportunities.
Thoughts?
Question.. at any time in the offseason.. can they go over 50 contracts like they can go over the salary cap?
Now -- do they try to trade a couple of players at the draft to move up... or does Murray go for a blockbuster.. quantity for quality kind of a trade. The next couple of weeks could be interesting.. leading to July 1st.
I personally want them to keep Condra. You actually need penalty killers on your team.. and he is one of the better ones the Sens have.
If you believe Eklund (which I don't) -- he says the Nash sweapstakes are down to 2 teams... Toronto and San Jose -- with Toronto having the edge. Now I can see SJ having the pieces to do a deal with Columbus... but what the hell does Toronto have besides Lupul, Kessel, Schenn & Gardiner? Toronto would have to give up their 1st round pick to get Nash... Now what would Leaf fans think of Burke if he did that AGAIN.. That's insane EK...
And as long as BB "appears" to be trying big moves the fans will be happy.
Honestly though Gardiner is a non starter for most of their fans, and you can't build a team around Kessel so what's left? Draft picks? Good luck getting that past the fan base.
Let's be honest successful lines are made of pairs not threes, and the center is a necessary piece but who do they have? Even if they got Nash I don't think he would be capable of realisimg the success fans expect.
Again Nash holds the keys and he's shown extroardinary patience thus far but he wants to go to a contender.
Summary:
They don't have the pieces
They aren't contenders
they don't have a center
If he wants to win which he does, he's not going to Toronto
Question also is.. what does Detroit do? They have now lost Lidstrom & Stuart.
If Suter does not go to Detroit.. who then? Could you see Kuba go there for a year or two.. until some of their prospects are ready to play?
detroit have nothing to worry about. lidstrom is irreplaceable. They will be on a "down swing" for the next year maybe 2 only because they are a quickly aging group. with names like holmstrom (UFA) bertuzzi i believe also has 1 or 2 years left in his contract.
on offence, they have tons of replacement of great top end talent such as pulkkinen jarnkrok jurco tatar nyqvuist etc.
On D, they will have brendan smith join them and very soon oullet will join them.
kyle quincey is an RFA. assuming they sign him, they would have 6 NHL Dmen.
but they are obviously a team that will still want to push for suter
If David Jones is worth $4 million, then Nash is easily worth $7.8 on Spezza's wing. I just hope we don't empty the vault of prospects for him. If there is a reasonable trade, I say do it.
Michalek- 35 goals scored and can temporarily fill the void for CBL
Bishop- goalie for the future, young enough but can step in and be a solid backup for the year
1st rounder- allows for CBJ to keep the rebuild and get another quality prospect
If it seems like an underpayment then throw in one more prosect
Which prospect ? Zibby or Silfverberg ? because that offer would need a top prospect in it to get it considered. Let's not forget Nash is an asset himself. Acquiring him would be nice and if it doesn't pan out, guess what ... we trade him to get back some assets if that the worst case scenario. Burke in 4 years might offer us 4 first rounders for Nash. Lol
Da costa/petersson
Personally I see Neosen as being a bigger James Neal.
I see huge potential in Petersson as a first-line player, and so do the sens management as mentioned by Murray earlier in the year.
Michalek is the key part as if you are Murray you can argue that michalek is high quality as he scored more than Nash this year. (I know different circumstances, bad team) but this lowers the asking price but we still have to throw in the first rounder, bishop and another prospect like petersson so that Columbus gets a good deal and young players but michalek is the key part as he can step in right away for their #1 line and put up solid numbers. it wouldn't be as high as Nash but the amount of points would certainly help fill the shoes of Nash.
Names involved but not 100%:
Nash
Methot
Will Weber
Sean Collins
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Michalek
MZ
Bishop
Peterssen
15th overall 2012
Wow. That's definitely a doable deal for both sides! Great suggestion.
SPL
I don't know, that really does seem like a lot to me.
Considering Bishop basically was just a 2nd round pick for us 4 months ago put it this way:
MM9
MZ or 2011 1st round pick
Petersson
2012 1st rounf pick
2012 2nd round pick
in return 2 b level prospects, a top 4 dman and an all-star/olympi an
I was actually just told a deal is closer than anyone is implying...when can a deal actually be announced?
Site has been up and down (mostly down) for me since Tuesday or Wednesday.
It came back on home computer late last week, but for work computer today is the first day I've been able to access since the server change.
What are you smokin man? How the heck do you get Widman, Carle, and Nash without giving up more? What happened to Michalek, Smith and Condra? For Nash? How do you get Carle and Wideman? Not a chance. Keep dreaming.
SPL
Now we could be seeing an Ottawa Senators Swedish Hunger Games deal - Rundblad is already gone, Sorenson didn't even make it to the arena, MZ, Lehner and Petersson are all routinely being rumoured to be on the block.
I know it's all part of the business but I wonder if Karlsson is taking notice.
Would recommend clearing the browser cache is you're still having troubles. Could help.
Maybe they realized they were to Swede heavy? Need more Canadians, elite Canadians.....l ike....um....Ri ck Nash!!
And Ontario players too...right??? Don Cherry Told me thats how you build Cup teams, right?
Have you tried clearing the cache? Web guy seems to think that will address any issues people are having.
Don Cherry is a nutjob but he's a funny nutjob!
Who is 90% right on most things!
im assuming he was thinking that you sign them because there ufa's. lol