Wednesday, 06 June 2012 18:13

Welcome Back! (VOTE SPEZZA)

(UPDATE 11:58 AM)- I have mentioned this a couple times on Twitter but I'll add it here as well. Jason Spezza is up for Play of the Year and needs our support. Head here to cast your ballot and don't be afraid to hit F5 and vote a whole bunch of times. Rumour has it refreshing on this page counts too. VOTE VOTE VOTE!

As I'm sure most of you have noticed, the site has been a little in and out the last couple days.

After about twenty four hours of consecutive down time while we switched to a new server, things finally appear to be back up and running.  A frustrating process but one that was required to ensure the long term stability of the site.

Couple things to catch up on from the past few days.

In an interview given yesterday, Sens GM Bryan Murray provided a few important pieces of information that give us an idea where the team is headed this off season.

Perhaps the most significant piece of news is the fact that UFA defenceman Filip Kuba is not expected to be back next year. After a year where he struggled badly, Kuba rebounded in a big way last season and was regularly partnered with Norris nominee Erik Karlsson.

The belief is the 35 year old was looking for something similar to what he made last season and on a retirement type deal, in the range of 3 years. While Kuba was an important piece on the Sens blueline last season, Murray is doing the right thing by moving in another direction

The decision all but guarantees the Senators will be shopping for a new partner for Erik Karlsson when the market opens on July 1. You can bet the club will at least explore the option of Predators defenceman Ryan Suter.

Murray also indicated that the team expects to begin formal contract talks with the RFA to be Erik Karlsson this week. Murray has talked with his staff and is expected to submit a formal offer in the next few days.  Everything points to a fairly straightforward negotiation.

Karlsson wants to be here and the organization feels the same way. 

Tim Murray spoke with the Team 1200 this afternoon and said the initial discussion was productive and that both parties basically agree on the ideal term. Only suspense in these negotiations will be declaring our contest winner.

  • It has been rumoured for awhile now but the Sens made it official this afternoon, signing forward Jean Gabriel Pageau to an entry level deal. For me, Pageau is one of the more intriguing players in the Sens system. After the 2011 Draft, Dorion said Pageau was the guy he was most excited about. Should be interesting to watch how this guy develops the next couple years.
  • I want to thank you all for your patience during this latest server switch. You may notice that a couple posts and the corresponding comments have gone missing. All part of the switch I guess. Frustrating but we should be running smoothly now. If you are having trouble accessing the site, try clearing your browser's cache. Should do the trick.
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+1 #1 Floridasensfan 2012-06-06 17:25
glad we are moving on without kuba, everyone says Suter is out of the question but they also said the same thing about Turris.

clearly we do not know for sure yet either way.

I am pulling for landing Suter until I hear different from the organization.
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+3 #2 SensFanInMTL 2012-06-06 17:42
Hey what's up? Welcome back. Jean-Gabriel Pageau is the shit.
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+2 #3 Floridasensfan 2012-06-06 17:51
just listened to Tim Murry on 1200, they are looking to dance and want a dance partner.
I think we are going to see some wow trades, there is going to be crying on who we give up for sure but what we get back I expect will be impressive.

We are in phenomenal shape, Gonchar is the only contract that one could say is overpaid or at least marginal.
in my opinion anyways, we are lean and mean on the contract side.
lots of options

quantity for quality stood out from TM conversation.
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+1 #4 jakester 2012-06-06 18:04
If you write down all the names of all the players that the SENS have right now, then you have to be thinking that if the SENS don't sign a big name UFA, they will certainly trade for one, as Tim murray alluded to in his interview on the Team this afternoon.

Happy about Pageau but he's at least 3 years away. Noesen-Zibby-Si lfverberg-and Stone will the first prospects who will be breaking through. After that we still have quite a few gems.
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+3 #5 stevrock 2012-06-06 18:07
I wonder if the thought in the back of a good RFA's mind revolves around being paired up with Karlsson?
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+2 #6 Filliam 2012-06-06 18:09
The fact that whoever we sign has a good chance of playing with a really young, Norris nominee, should hopefully attract some interest from some good Dmen. Can't wait to see who we land.
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-4 #7 lbernier 2012-06-06 18:09
Ryan Suter wants to be the go to guy on a team that has a shot to win a cup, If Ryan Suter was smart he would go and join Edmonton. I know I should not be saying that but Ryan Suter deserves to be a teams top defenseman and if he played there he would make that team so much better. I would love to have Suter also but it would be a Karlsson-Suter pairing that is the same as Weber-Suter. If Suter is leaving I think he want to go to a team that he will be the #1 defenseman the go to guy
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-4 #8 Daybreak Maidenhead 2012-06-06 18:35
London calling to the imitation zone
Forget it, brother, an' go it alone
London calling upon the zombies of death
Quit holding out-and draw another breath
London calling-and I don't wanna shout
But when we were talking-I saw you nodding out
London calling, see we ain't got no highs
Except for that one with the yellowy eyes
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0 #9 Zira1 2012-06-06 18:36
Quoting SensFanInMTL:
Hey what's up? Welcome back. Jean-Gabriel Pageau is the shit.


Please explain Amigo!
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+1 #10 captainohmycaptain11 2012-06-06 18:43
I know Pageau personnally, cause we went to highschool together and I'm really really exicted for him, way to go pager :)
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+1 #11 BenKerr 2012-06-06 18:48
Hey guys, I know a couple of weeks ago you guys were asking me about a mock draft.... its here along with a directory to all our articles.

http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/05/31/last-word-nhl-draft-headquarters-directory/
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0 #12 Dirk Diggler 2012-06-06 19:01
Glad you're back Chirp... it was a productive day at work, dammit!

Chirp, let's hope Karlsson signs 2 years at 13 mil! Then we are golfing pal...

Also, I see that Bacardi is the new sponsor, anyone else you wanna recognize?
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0 #13 St Nick 2012-06-06 19:03
I wonder if Murray & company will target Bryan Allen LD & re-sign Gilroy & Carkner. Allen was 4th in the league in blocked shots, is a steady defensive defenceman & is a big tough guy. I doubt he will play with Karlsson though but could see him paired with Gonchar or Gilroy. I would think he would be under $3 mil as well so not too expensive.

Cowen - Karlsson
Phillips - Gonchar
Allen - Gilroy/Carkner
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0 #14 SensChirp 2012-06-06 19:14
Quoting riceroni:
Glad you're back Chirp... it was a productive day at work, dammit!

Chirp, let's hope Karlsson signs 2 years at 13 mil! Then we are golfing pal...

Also, I see that Bacardi is the new sponsor, anyone else you wanna recognize?

Haha Bacardi is a left over from theScore. Those ads will be pulled soon when the ad agreement ends. All Wisers. All the time!
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+1 #15 Sensnation 2012-06-06 19:21
Quoting Floridasensfan:
just listened to Tim Murry on 1200, they are looking to dance and want a dance partner.
I think we are going to see some wow trades, there is going to be crying on who we give up for sure but what we get back I expect will be impressive.

We are in phenomenal shape, Gonchar is the only contract that one could say is overpaid or at least marginal.
in my opinion anyways, we are lean and mean on the contract side.
lots of options

quantity for quality stood out from TM conversation.


Completely agree, that quantity for quality statement was very telling. Almost alludes to a Rick Nash type of trade. I'm looking forward to the fireworks over the next month!

Welcome back Chirp, it's great to have the site back up and running!
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0 #16 Dirk Diggler 2012-06-06 19:25
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting riceroni:
Glad you're back Chirp... it was a productive day at work, dammit!

Chirp, let's hope Karlsson signs 2 years at 13 mil! Then we are golfing pal...

Also, I see that Bacardi is the new sponsor, anyone else you wanna recognize?

Haha Bacardi is a left over from theScore. Those ads will be pulled soon when the ad agreement ends. All Wisers. All the time!

Hahaha oops...
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0 #17 BigSlice 2012-06-06 19:28
I'm hoping they can lure Suter to Ottawa. I mean, who wouldn't want to be paired with a 21-year-old Norris Trophy candidate? Leadership roles will be up for grabs in a couple years, too. Not to mention a salary he would be comfortable with, given the fact that we'll be a cap floor team, and not a cap ceiling team.

As for the Nash suggestion... I'm open to exploring options on that front for sure. I don't want to part ways with Silfverberg, Lehner or Zibanejad, but other than those three, I'd be willing to part with just about anyone on the Bingo or Junior rosters.
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0 #18 Sensnation 2012-06-06 19:31
Quoting BenKerr:
Hey guys, I know a couple of weeks ago you guys were asking me about a mock draft.... its here along with a directory to all our articles.

http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/05/31/last-word-nhl-draft-headquarters-directory/


Hey, can I ask what in your opinion has Codi Ceci dropping in rankings so fast recently? Up until the NHL regular season ended he seemed to be a guaranteed top 11-12, and as high as 7 or 8th in some rankings. It seems like all of a sudden people are dropping him to the Sens area at pick 15 and beyond. Is this wishful thinking or are there attributes/rumo rs that have led to this? I think it would be awesome if he falls to Ottawa, I just really expect he'll go in the top 12.
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0 #19 A Train 2012-06-06 19:36
This talk about pairings is interesting. I know for say wingers getting to play with an elite playmaking centre is a big draw. It's fun for them and will pump up their numbers.

But is the chance to play with an all-star partner the same kind of draw for a d-man?
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+1 #20 MoeDozer 2012-06-06 19:46
Quoting A Train:
This talk about pairings is interesting. I know for say wingers getting to play with an elite playmaking centre is a big draw. It's fun for them and will pump up their numbers.

But is the chance to play with an all-star partner the same kind of draw for a d-man?

I wouldnt think its as big a draw as for a winger to play with an elite center.
I mean sure it does to a certain extent but we cant forget his partner is shea weber. I think a Dman is more interested in going to a team where he gets big ice time during key parts of the game, having a good team overall and a good coach. (things we obviously have)
its not like suter had to struggle with Dpartners like phaneuf.
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0 #21 hamany 2012-06-06 20:47
http://www.tsn.ca/showdown/2012/
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+1 #22 sbs138 2012-06-06 21:32
chirp, get the word out...VOTE SPEZ!
Jets fans voting like crazy and Pavelec took the lead. cant let this go. one candidate schools the other. hands down winner is Spez
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0 #23 hamany 2012-06-06 21:33
http://www.tsn.ca/showdown/2012/
lets go boys VOTE SPEZZA!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!
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-2 #24 TookieIs100PercentRight 2012-06-06 21:41
Quoting BigSlice:
I'm hoping they can lure Suter to Ottawa. I mean, who wouldn't want to be paired with a 21-year-old Norris Trophy candidate? Leadership roles will be up for grabs in a couple years, too. Not to mention a salary he would be comfortable with, given the fact that we'll be a cap floor team, and not a cap ceiling team.

As for the Nash suggestion... I'm open to exploring options on that front for sure. I don't want to part ways with Silfverberg, Lehner or Zibanejad, but other than those three, I'd be willing to part with just about anyone on the Bingo or Junior rosters.


Suter already played with a Norris finalist in Weber...and they got farther in the playoffs.

Stay the course Murray...if the guys they drafted are top tier we need no free agents. If they are not top tier then something is rotten somewhere...
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0 #25 ZipZapRap 2012-06-06 21:41
yeah spez is losing now
http://www.tsn.ca/showdown/2012/

hit f5 to refresh the page faster after you vote
vote X 63626366
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+1 #26 ZipZapRap 2012-06-06 21:49
Not enough of a fight going on, spezz is slowly dropping at a steady rate

Dont let that weak ass save win play of the year
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0 #27 hamany 2012-06-06 22:01
wooow SPEZZA IS LOSING BY ALOTTTTTTTTT NOW COMMMMON GUYSSSSSSSSSSSS S!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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0 #28 Tookie 2012-06-06 22:25
Knew the Devils could do it, now they lose in NJ, lol. They had to win atleast 1.

Kovalchuk is def injured man, guy cant even pivot. Not the same Kovalchuk from rounds 1-3.
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0 #29 lbernier 2012-06-06 22:28
VOTE FOR SPEZZA IN THE FINALS FOR PLAY OF THE YEAR
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0 #30 lbernier 2012-06-06 22:30
fastest way to vote for Spezza for play of the year

Go to page line up the mouse on the click to vote icon now keep it there the whole time.

Click on it then when the next page loaded hit F5 to refresh

Keep doing this over and over you can vote lots and do it very fast!!!
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0 #31 Hax 2012-06-06 22:40
I do believe this link is faster - just load the page then keep hitting F5:

http://www.tsn.ca/showdown/2012/vote.aspx?id=2584&d=2&s=r
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0 #32 ZipZapRap 2012-06-07 01:59
Quoting Hax:
I do believe this link is faster - just load the page then keep hitting F5:

http://www.tsn.ca/showdown/2012/vote.aspx?id=2584&d=2&s=r


I hope this works.. I have 4 tabs open to that link all set to auto refresh every 2 seconds. Gonna leave em all night haha
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+2 #33 Sens4Eva 2012-06-07 04:09
I don't think the right course of action is to "stay the course" in terms of defense. Even IF we draft a top tier defenseman he'll need 5-7 years of grooming. With an asinine amount of cap space their is NO REASON to not pursue Suter aggressively. Yes Melynk may over pay by a mill or so but that's god damn peanuts in the grand scheme of things. Having a young, puck moving, offensive minded, top end defenseman is rare in this league; to have two, would be unreal. (Different styles of play) but a Karlsson/Suter combo reminds me of Pronger/Niedema yer. With the exception that both players will be in their prime for the next 12 years plus. I'm a strong believer that championship teams are built from the net out, with Anderson, Bishop, Lenher we're solid in net (although we should still draft another goalie). Add a Karlsson/Suter tandem with a developing Cowen (who could be paired with Ben Blood for arguments sake, would possibly make for a formidable shut down pair) then the bottom 2 D are interchangeable . Our D-core would be set. The forward prospects are stacked and (imo) Turris is going to develop into a solid high scoring second line centreman. Perhaps adding a top six young forward via trade at some point may be advisable. I really hope Murray has some balls and goes out and signs Suter, it just makes sense in the end. To those who say, he wants to go to a contender, he only wants to play for an American team, he wants to be the standout number one denfenseman etc.. etc.. MONEY TALKS AND BULLSHIT WALKS.
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+1 #34 The Apostle 2012-06-07 06:05
Just because Ottawa Senators have the cap space it doesn't necessarily follow that Melnyk will always have the bank balance to fill it.
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0 #35 SensChirp 2012-06-07 06:41
Quoting Hax:
I do believe this link is faster - just load the page then keep hitting F5:

http://www.tsn.ca/showdown/2012/vote.aspx?id=2584&d=2&s=r

Do we know if this one is legit? Looks like it would be much quicker but I worry that the votes aren't actually registering.
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0 #36 Hax 2012-06-07 07:09
253 (92) Hax
245 (85) Misaow
244 (87) Bradweiser
244 (86) Kratos71
243 (95) EH_Matt
243 (82) Glencho10
241 (94) acameron56
240 (84) PaskySensFan
239 (99) tcharger
239 (98) jdsens
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0 #37 Hax 2012-06-07 07:11
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting Hax:
I do believe this link is faster - just load the page then keep hitting F5:

http://www.tsn.ca/showdown/2012/vote.aspx?id=2584&d=2&s=r

Do we know if this one is legit? Looks like it would be much quicker but I worry that the votes aren't actually registering.


I just got that link off of twitter - can't say if it works or not. Anyone geekier than me able to comment?
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0 #38 PaulMacLeansMustache 2012-06-07 07:26
Quoting lbernier:
Ryan Suter wants to be the go to guy on a team that has a shot to win a cup, If Ryan Suter was smart he would go and join Edmonton. I know I should not be saying that but Ryan Suter deserves to be a teams top defenseman and if he played there he would make that team so much better. I would love to have Suter also but it would be a Karlsson-Suter pairing that is the same as Weber-Suter. If Suter is leaving I think he want to go to a team that he will be the #1 defenseman the go to guy


Why so the only thing he will win is the draft lottery. I think the way they are rebuilding is pathetic.
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+2 #39 PaulMacLeansMustache 2012-06-07 07:28
A year in the life of an Oilers GM
1) Do absolutely nothing. Don't even wear pants from September until April. Finish dead last.
2) Go to International Scouting Service website. Order NHL Draft Guide.
3) Receive NHL Draft Guide.
4) Put on pants. Go to TSN NHL Draft Lottery show to accept 1st overall pick.
5) Take off pants.
6) Print NHL Draft Guide.
7) Put on pants. Go to draft. Pick highest ranked player according to NHL draft guide. DON'T FORGET TO CROSS PLAYERS NAMES OFF WHEN THEY ARE DRAFTED THIS YEAR! (and with their second round selection, 31st overall, the Edmonton Oilers select Ryan Nugent Hopkins...What? We already picked him with our 1st round selection? Damn You Lowe! You were supposed to cross off the players that were already picked from this list!!!)
8) Sign draft picks to max allowed by rookie salary cap.
9) Get paid $1 million dollars
10) Repeat steps 1-9 next season
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+1 #40 Kratos83 2012-06-07 08:04
for the lazy ones like me

http://www.pagereboot.com/?url=http://www.tsn.ca/showdown/2012/vote.aspx?id=2584&refresh=1

refreshes that page every 1 second..tons of voting, and am sure the jets fans are doing it too..got this from the RSU off facebook.
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+1 #41 Hax 2012-06-07 08:10
Spezza is catching up - someone is doing something right.
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0 #42 Tookie 2012-06-07 08:24
I've hacked the site so that any votes for Pavelec end up counting for Spezza! Its the only way he will win!
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0 #43 NikoTn 2012-06-07 08:25
Why am I getting the impression Ottawa might be going for it next year...
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0 #44 boom 2012-06-07 08:29
Quoting The Apostle:
Just because Ottawa Senators have the cap space it doesn't necessarily follow that Melnyk will always have the bank balance to fill it.

A point that most seem to ignore....
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0 #45 Hax 2012-06-07 08:30
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
I've hacked the site so that any votes for Pavelec end up counting for Spezza! Its the only way he will win!


He's up to 49.22 - a huge change in the past few hours. So I think he's still got a good shot.
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0 #46 patrick 2.0 2012-06-07 08:30
Spezza regaining ground!! whooooooo!!!

Honestly, it is the better of the 2 plays...anyone but the most biased fan can see that. Lots of Sens haters that I know (leafs fans) even grudgingly admitted it (they still voted Jets and laughed at me, but they admitted that it is by far a better hockey play).
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-1 #47 patrick 2.0 2012-06-07 08:41
Quoting Hax:
He's up to 49.22 - a huge change in the past few hours. So I think he's still got a good shot.


I know I've got 16 tabs refreshing every second (not sure how much of a difference that's making).

What was the gap earlier? I just logged on recently.
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-1 #48 Hax 2012-06-07 08:45
Quoting patrick 2.0:
Quoting Hax:
He's up to 49.22 - a huge change in the past few hours. So I think he's still got a good shot.


I know I've got 16 tabs refreshing every second (not sure how much of a difference that's making).

What was the gap earlier? I just logged on recently.


When I first checked this morning he was at 48.18%.
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-1 #49 Tookie 2012-06-07 08:47
I really hope we dont pick another Swede, nothing against them but we have enough swedish meatballs, we need more canadian blood!

I would make a trade with Tampa (they have two 1st rounders and three 2nd rounders)

They desperately need a goalie and some D, they have Trouba picked at 10th, he could easily be picked at 15th (cuz of his stay at home style).

Bishop
15th overall

for

10th overall
2nd rounder 37th overall

Pick Ceci with the 10th and either Matt Murray (G) or Adam Pelech (D) with the 37th.
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-3 #50 patrick 2.0 2012-06-07 08:48
Sens fan must finally be getting out of bed then...damn cushy government jobs ;)

49.31....KEEP VOTING!!! :D
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0 #51 Hax 2012-06-07 08:51
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
I really hope we dont pick another Swede, nothing against them but we have enough swedish meatballs, we need more canadian blood!

I would make a trade with Tampa (they have two 1st rounders and three 2nd rounders)

They desperately need a goalie and some D, they have Trouba picked at 10th, he could easily be picked at 15th (cuz of his stay at home style).

Bishop
15th overall

for

10th overall
2nd rounder 37th overall

Pick Ceci with the 10th and either Matt Murray (G) or Adam Pelech (D) with the 37th.


We can get more for Bishop than a 2nd an upgrade on our first if we wait for teams to start bidding on him.

But I do like the idea of trading up to get Ceci.
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-1 #52 Kratos83 2012-06-07 09:05
Quoting patrick 2.0:
Sens fan must finally be getting out of bed then...damn cushy government jobs ;)

49.31....KEEP VOTING!!! :D


49.55..got 3 tabs going with the 1 sec auto refresh.
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0 #53 Alcatraz 2012-06-07 09:07
I don't understand how people think we can get more than a 2nd for Bishop. Sure he played well when called upon, but it hasn't even been a year since we only gave up a 2nd for him

We wont be getting a huge improvement over a 2nd, perhaps a 2nd and middling prospect, but if a team really wanted Bishop and those teams that need goalies, knew at the deadline, would have offered more then
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0 #54 BenKerr 2012-06-07 09:24
Quoting Sensnation:
Quoting BenKerr:
Hey guys, I know a couple of weeks ago you guys were asking me about a mock draft.... its here along with a directory to all our articles.

http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/05/31/last-word-nhl-draft-headquarters-directory/


Hey, can I ask what in your opinion has Codi Ceci dropping in rankings so fast recently? Up until the NHL regular season ended he seemed to be a guaranteed top 11-12, and as high as 7 or 8th in some rankings. It seems like all of a sudden people are dropping him to the Sens area at pick 15 and beyond. Is this wishful thinking or are there attributes/rumors that have led to this? I think it would be awesome if he falls to Ottawa, I just really expect he'll go in the top 12.


I wouldn't say he's dropping, hes a great prospect. We ranked him 14, but that wasn't a knock on him.

I see the draft in three tiers.

#1 Yakupov

#2-8

#9-16

Ceci is in that third tier with Reinhart and Maatta on the blue line. There are so many good defencemen in this draft that if the Sens want a defenceman one will be available.

We're not pro scouts, we don't claim to want to compete with McKeen's or Red Line or anything, they are better than us, you pay for them, we give our stuff away for free. We don't rank anyone we haven't seen at least twice, either a full game on film or in person. But still, two games isn't a lot for some of these guys (though many of them we've seen more than twice, two is just the minimum).

We had a hard time separating Maatta, Reinhart, Ceci, but we had to split hairs somewhere. While we have him at 14, we could easily see him drafted anywhere between 9 and 16, Its just so close in that range.

Hope that makes sense.
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0 #55 miguel 2012-06-07 09:27
Welcome back Chirp... really missed you!
All it takes is a couple of days without you to realize how much I miss you... kind of like marriage :)
dont ever leave Sens fans lost with no where to go again... Kiddin I know it had to be done.

First offThank you BM and Good Ridence to Kuba, and I do feel bad for the team that ends up paying what he will not be worth over the next few years... heck they may as well negotiate the buyout after one year :)

As someone very well pointed out, we should attract a player that would want to play with Karlsson for the next few years... look what he has done with Kuba, turned a completely washed up player into another 12 million dollars, imagine what could be accomplished with a really good and up and coming player?

I really found Tim Murrays comments yesterday very interesting in that they take the time to rate all players in the NHL and AHL in the case that a phone call comes in wtih an offer.
Although I am sure this is done every year, it seems that he was very animated about it this year, telling me that we should expect some fireworks at the draft, July 1st and before training camp.
Although we looked good last year, it seems we are very much top heavy on the 3rd and 4th lines, which means that there will have to be some movements.

PHEW... that felt good, it was 2 full days of holding this all in!
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0 #56 Tookie 2012-06-07 09:28
Quoting BenKerr:

We had a hard time separating Maatta, Reinhart, Ceci, but we had to split hairs somewhere. While we have him at 14, we could easily see him drafted anywhere between 9 and 16, Its just so close in that range.

Hope that makes sense.


Thats about right BenKerr, the draft is heavy in D and which ever one drops to 15th (if we havent moved up) we will get a good one with a 1-3 years dev.
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0 #57 SNOOPY SENIOR 2012-06-07 09:53
And Welcome Back to you Chirp !!!!!!!!

Good to see, that Bryan Murray has decided to stick with
his rebuild, by not keeping Kuba.

Sens definitely need to sign a top 4 defencman to play next season, as both Gonchar and Phillips will probably play
their last season with the Sens.

I believe that Mark Borowiecki will crack the roster, and
this will leave Carkner in a tough position. Carkner might
be like Lee, and be out of lineup more than in the lineup .

Finally, I think the Sens will move up in the Standings, and be in top 4 of Eastern Conference.
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-1 #58 Tookie 2012-06-07 10:26
Quoting SNOOPY SENIOR:

Finally, I think the Sens will move up in the Standings, and be in top 4 of Eastern Conference.


I would like to know how you come up with that prediction?

We finished 7th last year, while being very inconsistant through out the year.

Spezza, Karlsson, Michalek had possibly they're best seasons to date with the Sens and young guys like Greening, Smith and Foligno had career years in goals.

They would have to duplicate that or be even better for the sens to finish 4th in the East. You have to remember we will be adding more rookies to the line up, possibly Zibanejad & Silfverberg, both of whom IMO wont make an immediate impact, especially not the impact it would take for us to finish 4th in the East.

I say we finish somewhere between 6th and 10th depending on injuries. I will never again not account for this team being coached by Paul Maclean.
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0 #59 Chadillac 2012-06-07 10:33
Quoting Alcatraz:
I don't understand how people think we can get more than a 2nd for Bishop. Sure he played well when called upon, but it hasn't even been a year since we only gave up a 2nd for him

We wont be getting a huge improvement over a 2nd, perhaps a 2nd and middling prospect, but if a team really wanted Bishop and those teams that need goalies, knew at the deadline, would have offered more then


I think we could get a first rounder for him. Maybe not a top 10. I think BM bought low and, given the recent contract to Vokoun, this would be a time to sell high. Tampa, Toronto and Chicago should all be looking for a goalie.
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+2 #60 patrick 2.0 2012-06-07 10:33
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
Quoting SNOOPY SENIOR:

Finally, I think the Sens will move up in the Standings, and be in top 4 of Eastern Conference.


I would like to know how you come up with that prediction?

We finished 7th last year, while being very inconsistant through out the year.

Spezza, Karlsson, Michalek had possibly they're best seasons to date with the Sens and young guys like Greening, Smith and Foligno had career years in goals.

They would have to duplicate that or be even better for the sens to finish 4th in the East. You have to remember we will be adding more rookies to the line up, possibly Zibanejad & Silfverberg, both of whom IMO wont make an immediate impact, especially not the impact it would take for us to finish 4th in the East.

I say we finish somewhere between 6th and 10th depending on injuries. I will never again not account for this team being coached by Paul Maclean.


You want to make a wager on that?

LOL, I'm joking of course. It's still WAY too early to put predictions on final standings, draft, free agency, alfie retirement...ho w can one even try to put a value on our team right now.
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+1 #61 SlickRick 2012-06-07 10:35
[quote name="riceroni" ]Glad you're back Chirp... it was a productive day at work, dammit!

Yeah I know, me too WTF!?
Chirp inadvertently was responsible for 10% increase in Government work productivity.

Don't let it happen again (jokes of course)
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0 #62 spezzerman 2012-06-07 10:43
Quoting Alcatraz:
I don't understand how people think we can get more than a 2nd for Bishop. Sure he played well when called upon, but it hasn't even been a year since we only gave up a 2nd for him

We wont be getting a huge improvement over a 2nd, perhaps a 2nd and middling prospect, but if a team really wanted Bishop and those teams that need goalies, knew at the deadline, would have offered more then


I don't think he'll fetch near as much now as he will at the deadline next season. Hopefully he plays great in a back up role - he gets a good chunk of games and his value increases. Then when a team at the deadline is desperate for a goalie and willing to overpay, make a deal. Ideally I'd rather some NHL players or prospects vs draft picks.
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-1 #63 patrick 2.0 2012-06-07 10:44
Also a MAJOR tug-of-war at around the 50% mark (with spezza just below 50%) at the TSN voting page (see above for links).

I don't care that someone is downvoting these posts, I've showed my love for Alfie all season long by supporting chants, and voting for him for All-star, etc... It's time to give Jason the love he deserves as well. That play was AMAZING!

Downvote all you want on this post, JUST START VOTING!!
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+1 #64 miguel 2012-06-07 10:56
Quoting patrick 2.0:
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
Quoting SNOOPY SENIOR:

Finally, I think the Sens will move up in the Standings, and be in top 4 of Eastern Conference.


I would like to know how you come up with that prediction?

We finished 7th last year, while being very inconsistant through out the year.

Spezza, Karlsson, Michalek had possibly they're best seasons to date with the Sens and young guys like Greening, Smith and Foligno had career years in goals.

They would have to duplicate that or be even better for the sens to finish 4th in the East. You have to remember we will be adding more rookies to the line up, possibly Zibanejad & Silfverberg, both of whom IMO wont make an immediate impact, especially not the impact it would take for us to finish 4th in the East.

I say we finish somewhere between 6th and 10th depending on injuries. I will never again not account for this team being coached by Paul Maclean.


You want to make a wager on that?

LOL, I'm joking of course. It's still WAY too early to put predictions on final standings, draft, free agency, alfie retirement...how can one even try to put a value on our team right now.


Hehehehe
Lets place this wager, in hopes it happens agian :)
I would have to agree with tooks here, as long as we can squeak in, I think we can be a dangerous team but to finish 4th would be a bit far fetched and too optomistic.
But if Tookie takes the bet we know it will happen :)
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0 #65 miguel 2012-06-07 10:58
Quoting patrick 2.0:
Also a MAJOR tug-of-war at around the 50% mark (with spezza just below 50%) at the TSN voting page (see above for links).

I don't care that someone is downvoting these posts, I've showed my love for Alfie all season long by supporting chants, and voting for him for All-star, etc... It's time to give Jason the love he deserves as well. That play was AMAZING!

Downvote all you want on this post, JUST START VOTING!!


why downvote? it is a good gesture... must be a anti sens fan
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+3 #66 Hax 2012-06-07 10:59
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
We finished 7th last year


Um?
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0 #67 Sensnation 2012-06-07 11:00
Quoting BenKerr:

I wouldn't say he's dropping, hes a great prospect. We ranked him 14, but that wasn't a knock on him.

I see the draft in three tiers.

#1 Yakupov

#2-8

#9-16

Ceci is in that third tier with Reinhart and Maatta on the blue line. There are so many good defencemen in this draft that if the Sens want a defenceman one will be available.

We're not pro scouts, we don't claim to want to compete with McKeen's or Red Line or anything, they are better than us, you pay for them, we give our stuff away for free. We don't rank anyone we haven't seen at least twice, either a full game on film or in person. But still, two games isn't a lot for some of these guys (though many of them we've seen more than twice, two is just the minimum).

We had a hard time separating Maatta, Reinhart, Ceci, but we had to split hairs somewhere. While we have him at 14, we could easily see him drafted anywhere between 9 and 16, Its just so close in that range.

Hope that makes sense.


Absolutely, and I completely appreciate where you guys are coming from, was just interested in the reasoning behind it. I'm always interested in hearing other people's opinions on situations that affect this team so it was interesting to read your evaluation and ranking. Thank you for your additional response.

I guess personally I had him in that 2nd tier as his biggest weakness appears to be a lack of physical play, though he already has the size and most of his followers expect he will grow into that part. Beyond that he appears to have the complete 2way package and I have heard way too many comparisons to Doughty, which are probably a bit premature.

Anyways, thanks again and let's hope he falls to us!
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+1 #68 Tookie 2012-06-07 11:01
Quoting Hax:
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
We finished 7th last year


Um?


7th, 8th...does it really matter, was just trying to make people feel better...right. ..
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+1 #69 Hax 2012-06-07 11:04
Well my point on Bishop is that we have no rush to move him. Unless Lehner is 100% best served to be the NHL backup, we should keep Bishop until someone offers us an upgrade on what we gave up for him.

His value should go up the more he plays. He used to be considered "the best goalie not in the NHL" and he cost our 2nd. If he becomes "one of the best goalies not a #1" then his value HAS to be more.

I'm not expecting some sort of blockbuster or anything, but why rush to move him now?
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0 #70 Tookie 2012-06-07 11:04
Quoting Sensnation:

I have heard way too many comparisons to Doughty, which are probably a bit premature.

Anyways, thanks again and let's hope he falls to us!


Speaking of Doughty, he sure is earning his contract now isnt he. (he's making up for when he actually got paid during the season for being lacklustre)
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0 #71 patrick 2.0 2012-06-07 11:05
Quoting Hax:
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
We finished 7th last year


Um?


Hehehehe....his name says it all ;)

No need to point it out.
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+1 #72 Tookie 2012-06-07 11:09
Quoting Hax:
Well my point on Bishop is that we have no rush to move him. Unless Lehner is 100% best served to be the NHL backup, we should keep Bishop until someone offers us an upgrade on what we gave up for him.

His value should go up the more he plays. He used to be considered "the best goalie not in the NHL" and he cost our 2nd. If he becomes "one of the best goalies not a #1" then his value HAS to be more.

I'm not expecting some sort of blockbuster or anything, but why rush to move him now?


People are still somewhat high on Bishop, he only went 3-2 I believe with the Sens with respectable #'s but what if he flops as a back up this year? instant value drop. Its impossible to say what will happen but the chance of bust is there (plus he has groin & back issues).

If they can upgrade our pick to top 10, its well worth it.
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0 #73 Tookie 2012-06-07 11:13
Quoting patrick 2.0:
Quoting Hax:
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
We finished 7th last year


Um?


Hehehehe....his name says it all ;)

No need to point it out.



Yet you just did, shouldnt you be voting, OMG hurry up!

VOTE FOR SPEZZA OMGZ!!
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-1 #74 patrick 2.0 2012-06-07 11:15
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
Quoting patrick 2.0:
Quoting Hax:
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
We finished 7th last year


Um?


Hehehehe....his name says it all ;)

No need to point it out.



Yet you just did, shouldnt you be voting, OMG hurry up!

VOTE FOR SPEZZA OMGZ!!


I already am proudly voting for Spezza. But thank you for the reminder :)

(you may now downvote this comment as well) :)
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0 #75 miguel 2012-06-07 11:16
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
Quoting Hax:
Well my point on Bishop is that we have no rush to move him. Unless Lehner is 100% best served to be the NHL backup, we should keep Bishop until someone offers us an upgrade on what we gave up for him.

His value should go up the more he plays. He used to be considered "the best goalie not in the NHL" and he cost our 2nd. If he becomes "one of the best goalies not a #1" then his value HAS to be more.

I'm not expecting some sort of blockbuster or anything, but why rush to move him now?


People are still somewhat high on Bishop, he only went 3-2 I believe with the Sens with respectable #'s but what if he flops as a back up this year? instant value drop. Its impossible to say what will happen but the chance of bust is there (plus he has groin & back issues).

If they can upgrade our pick to top 10, its well worth it.


I will have to agree with Hax on this one.
All indications point to his stock value increasing.
I can only see him playing very well as a back up and some team looking for a #1 at the deadline will pay to get him
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-1 #76 Sensnation 2012-06-07 11:17
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
Quoting Hax:
Well my point on Bishop is that we have no rush to move him. Unless Lehner is 100% best served to be the NHL backup, we should keep Bishop until someone offers us an upgrade on what we gave up for him.

His value should go up the more he plays. He used to be considered "the best goalie not in the NHL" and he cost our 2nd. If he becomes "one of the best goalies not a #1" then his value HAS to be more.

I'm not expecting some sort of blockbuster or anything, but why rush to move him now?


People are still somewhat high on Bishop, he only went 3-2 I believe with the Sens with respectable #'s but what if he flops as a back up this year? instant value drop. Its impossible to say what will happen but the chance of bust is there (plus he has groin & back issues).

If they can upgrade our pick to top 10, its well worth it.


I have to agree with you on this. I would easily trade our 15th plus Bishop for a high 1st round pick. I really feel like Bishop is overrated and once he gets regular playing time and players learn his style he will be victimized for what he is, just a big goalie. He's not overly athletic and not the greatest at angles and rebounds, imo. Sell high!

I could see him being in the Rick Nash package too ;)
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0 #77 patrick 2.0 2012-06-07 11:21
haha on the rick nash...you are joking right? o.O

I agree as well. Bishop seems good, but if we are trading one of either Bishop or Lehner...I hope it's not Lehner.
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0 #78 Sensnation 2012-06-07 11:26
Quoting patrick 2.0:
haha on the rick nash...you are joking right? o.O

I agree as well. Bishop seems good, but if we are trading one of either Bishop or Lehner...I hope it's not Lehner.


Ya the Rick Nash thing is more of a placeholder name for whoever this quantity for quality trade they're working on is targeting. I just know that Columbus is one team that needs a goalie.

I agree Lehner shouldn't be an option in a trade.
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0 #79 Alcatraz 2012-06-07 11:29
Bishop is definitely not overrated

he has been a standout goalie prospect for years, was the best goalie in the AHL last year before the trade

St.Louis have been high on him for years, and will probably kick themselves next year when Elliott returns to form

Bishop may not be that athletic game changing goalie like lehner, but Bishop very much can become the positional stand out like a JS Giguere where he just "plays big" and stays in control of his crease
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-1 #80 spezzerman 2012-06-07 11:29
Quoting Sensnation:
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
Quoting Hax:
Well my point on Bishop is that we have no rush to move him. Unless Lehner is 100% best served to be the NHL backup, we should keep Bishop until someone offers us an upgrade on what we gave up for him.

His value should go up the more he plays. He used to be considered "the best goalie not in the NHL" and he cost our 2nd. If he becomes "one of the best goalies not a #1" then his value HAS to be more.

I'm not expecting some sort of blockbuster or anything, but why rush to move him now?


People are still somewhat high on Bishop, he only went 3-2 I believe with the Sens with respectable #'s but what if he flops as a back up this year? instant value drop. Its impossible to say what will happen but the chance of bust is there (plus he has groin & back issues).

If they can upgrade our pick to top 10, its well worth it.


I have to agree with you on this. I would easily trade our 15th plus Bishop for a high 1st round pick. I really feel like Bishop is overrated and once he gets regular playing time and players learn his style he will be victimized for what he is, just a big goalie. He's not overly athletic and not the greatest at angles and rebounds, imo. Sell high!

I could see him being in the Rick Nash package too ;)

With all due respect, your opinion on Bishop is 100% based on your man crush for Lehner.
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0 #81 miguel 2012-06-07 11:31
i am not sure what I am missing but if we can recall when Anderson went down after a fight with a frozen chicken... everyone thought that our playoff hopes were doomed, out, dead.
We pick up Bishop (granted Lehner won a few games as well) but Bishop was no slouch, and lets be honest our defence was not the storngest part of our game, just ask Auld.
So I think with Bishop coming in on spot duty, and winning it will get him noticed, and should only increase his value.
Whether Lehner likes it or not, he will have one LAST year in the minors where he needs to mature, and gain consistency.
Then we will have many good options come next years trade deadline, with 3 bonafide NHL Goalies
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+1 #82 DrDemento 2012-06-07 11:39
Sorry, Bishop reminds me too much of Gerber, and I never liked Gerber. I am sure someone would love to get him in a trade. Whatever happenned to Mad Mike Milbury? Damn I miss that guy.

VOTE FOR SPEZZA
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0 #83 miguel 2012-06-07 11:42
Quoting DrDemento:
Sorry, Bishop reminds me too much of Gerber, and I never liked Gerber. I am sure someone would love to get him in a trade. Whatever happenned to Mad Mike Milbury? Damn I miss that guy.

VOTE FOR SPEZZA


Martin Garbage... man that brings back BAD memories!
how on Gods earth does Bishop remind you of Garbage?
Garbage was 5'8 150lbs while Bishop is 6'7 and covers the entire net?
curious
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0 #84 Hax 2012-06-07 11:44
Quoting miguel:
Quoting DrDemento:
Sorry, Bishop reminds me too much of Gerber, and I never liked Gerber. I am sure someone would love to get him in a trade. Whatever happenned to Mad Mike Milbury? Damn I miss that guy.

VOTE FOR SPEZZA


Martin Garbage... man that brings back BAD memories!
how on Gods earth does Bishop remind you of Garbage?
Garbage was 5'8 150lbs while Bishop is 6'7 and covers the entire net?
curious


It's the white mask I'm guessing - but yeah nothing similar that I can see.
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0 #85 Sensnation 2012-06-07 11:46
Quoting spezzerman:
Quoting Sensnation:


I have to agree with you on this. I would easily trade our 15th plus Bishop for a high 1st round pick. I really feel like Bishop is overrated and once he gets regular playing time and players learn his style he will be victimized for what he is, just a big goalie. He's not overly athletic and not the greatest at angles and rebounds, imo. Sell high!

I could see him being in the Rick Nash package too ;)

With all due respect, your opinion on Bishop is 100% based on your man crush for Lehner.


Haha, not at all. I'm reviewing them independently. Bishop is not all that, there's a reason St Louis wasn't willing to go with him as Halak's backup. He's a good prospect, but his skill is size and that's not the type of goaltenders I rate highly.

Let's put it this way if we could trade Bishop for one of the top 3-4 goalie prospects in this year's draft I would do it in a heartbeat!
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0 #86 Alcatraz 2012-06-07 11:47
As I mentioned before

JS Giguere to me is the best similarity where they just are great at covering the net, and not giving up much room to shoot.
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+1 #87 Mitchell 2012-06-07 11:47
I've been voting like a crazy person at a hannah montana concert for backstage passes. the poll is getting tighether by the second. just click and 5f and bring a 4th title (win/trophy) to the sens locker room. Karlsson/Maclea n/Alfredsson/Sp ezza
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-1 #88 Tookie 2012-06-07 11:49
OTT and CBJ are close to a trade...

Nash
2nd round (45)

for

10th, 12th, 15th

How do we get those u ask...

Ottawa to Buffalo
Foligno.and A.Petersson for 12th overall

Ottawa to TB
Bishop, Puempel for 10th overall


Flame on!
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+1 #89 Alcatraz 2012-06-07 11:53
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
OTT and CBJ are close to a trade...

Nash
2nd round (45)

for

10th, 12th, 15th

How do we get those u ask...

Ottawa to Buffalo
Foligno.and A.Petersson for 12th overall

Ottawa to TB
Bishop, Puempel for 10th overall


Flame on!


considering CLb already said they want roster players and young prospects in return for nash

why wouldn't they just want:

Foligno/Puemple/Bishop/Petterson and our 15th pick for Nash and the 2nd(45)
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+1 #90 Hax 2012-06-07 11:54
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
OTT and CBJ are close to a trade...

Nash
2nd round (45)

for

10th, 12th, 15th

How do we get those u ask...

Ottawa to Buffalo
Foligno.and A.Petersson for 12th overall

Ottawa to TB
Bishop, Puempel for 10th overall


Flame on!


Pure insanity.
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0 #91 miguel 2012-06-07 11:56
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
OTT and CBJ are close to a trade...

Nash
2nd round (45)

for

10th, 12th, 15th

How do we get those u ask...

Ottawa to Buffalo
Foligno.and A.Petersson for 12th overall

Ottawa to TB
Bishop, Puempel for 10th overall


Flame on!


Wow that took plenty of work, BTW how is Steve Y anyway? :)
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0 #92 Mitchell 2012-06-07 12:00
at this years draft my wishlist (persay)

15th to some how moved up or if possible still at 15
1. Matt Dumba
2. Cody Ceci
3. Matt Finn

or trade the 15th pick for JVR (PHI) at 22/23 years of age his a power forward type player we could use someone like that. or for a type 4 shut down defencemen younger then 25 to grow with the team.

p.s. is it just me or can i see eric condra easily becoming a red wing. maybe there's already a rew wing with the last name condra so it's easily me to picture. thoughts? haha
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0 #93 Tookie 2012-06-07 12:02
Quoting Alcatraz:

considering CLb already said they want roster players and young prospects in return for nash

why wouldn't they just want:

Foligno/Puemple/Bishop/Petterson and our 15th pick for Nash and the 2nd(45)


They'll take the best offer, which is the one I posted above, doesnt matter what they say they want.

And why wouldnt they just take those 4 guys instead, well Foligno/Puempel /Petterson is def a downgrade to lets say Forsberg/Murray , Ceci/Reinhart, Collberg/Faksa & Subban/Dansk...

Thats why.
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+1 #94 Alcatraz 2012-06-07 12:02
Quoting Mitchell:
at this years draft my wishlist (persay)

15th to some how moved up or if possible still at 15
1. Matt Dumba
2. Cody Ceci
3. Matt Finn

or trade the 15th pick for JVR (PHI) at 22/23 years of age his a power forward type player we could use someone like that. or for a type 4 shut down defencemen younger then 25 to grow with the team.

p.s. is it just me or can i see eric condra easily becoming a red wing. maybe there's already a rew wing with the last name condra so it's easily me to picture. thoughts? haha


LOl why on earth would philly trade JVR for a 15th overall pick when he was drafted 3rd overall and has had relative success already?

my god some sens fans are getting worse than leaf fans
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0 #95 Hax 2012-06-07 12:03
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
Quoting Alcatraz:

considering CLb already said they want roster players and young prospects in return for nash

why wouldn't they just want:

Foligno/Puemple/Bishop/Petterson and our 15th pick for Nash and the 2nd(45)


They'll take the ebst offer, which is the one I posted above, doesnt matter what they say they want.

And why wouldnt they just take those 4 guys instead, well Foligno/Puempel/Petterson is def a downgrade to lets say Forsberg/Murray, Ceci/Reinhart, Collberg/Faksa & Subban/Dansk...

Thats why.


So if it's a downgrade how are you going to talk Buff and TB into taking that downgrade?
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0 #96 Tookie 2012-06-07 12:04
Quoting Hax:
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
OTT and CBJ are close to a trade...

Nash
2nd round (45)

for

10th, 12th, 15th

How do we get those u ask...

Ottawa to Buffalo
Foligno.and A.Petersson for 12th overall

Ottawa to TB
Bishop, Puempel for 10th overall


Flame on!


Pure insanity.


Oh come on, its completely feasable!
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0 #97 Mitchell 2012-06-07 12:08
Quoting Alcatraz:
Quoting Mitchell:
at this years draft my wishlist (persay)

15th to some how moved up or if possible still at 15
1. Matt Dumba
2. Cody Ceci
3. Matt Finn

or trade the 15th pick for JVR (PHI) at 22/23 years of age his a power forward type player we could use someone like that. or for a type 4 shut down defencemen younger then 25 to grow with the team.

p.s. is it just me or can i see eric condra easily becoming a red wing. maybe there's already a rew wing with the last name condra so it's easily me to picture. thoughts? haha


LOl why on earth would philly trade JVR for a 15th overall pick when he was drafted 3rd overall and has had relative success already?

my god some sens fans are getting worse than leaf fans



all right calm down that sort of opinon makes you look like a leaf fan with that negative comment at the end. during the season there was talks about the leafs and phi about a possible trade for schen and JVR i'm not saying just a 15th and i did say wish list. obvioulsy it take more but i can't imagine a whole lot of scheen was apart of the picture. now relax
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0 #98 Tookie 2012-06-07 12:11
Quoting Hax:
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
Quoting Alcatraz:

considering CLb already said they want roster players and young prospects in return for nash

why wouldn't they just want:

Foligno/Puemple/Bishop/Petterson and our 15th pick for Nash and the 2nd(45)


They'll take the ebst offer, which is the one I posted above, doesnt matter what they say they want.

And why wouldnt they just take those 4 guys instead, well Foligno/Puempel/Petterson is def a downgrade to lets say Forsberg/Murray, Ceci/Reinhart, Collberg/Faksa & Subban/Dansk...

Thats why.


So if it's a downgrade how are you going to talk Buff and TB into taking that downgrade?


Well neither Buf nor TB would have four 1st round picks, so it shouldnt be compared in the same light.

For Buf, well they neeed more scoring, a hard nose foligno reunites with his brother and they get a decent prospect who apparently has a nose for the net in Peterssen. 2 rdy roster players instead of 1 non rdy draft pick. no brainer.

As for TB, well they need a goalie and unless they are in the Schneider or Luongo sweepstakes, Bishop is the best out there, add a gritty FW in Puempel who matches the TB style and again they have 2 players instead of one, good ratio for them. They might askf or a D instead of Puempel, then sign and trade Gilroy.
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0 #99 Mitchell 2012-06-07 12:13
based on murrays previous drafts i don't believe this years draft or possible next years is that exciting. we've already traded picks for players (2nd rounders) and it appears we need to fill up on D-Men again but with out 2nd round picks I don't think we are getting the quaility we had last year. just a guess really. not a leaf fan making predicition this is senschirp my home is loaded with sens stuff. i do not cheer for the colorblind leaf.
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0 #100 Sensnation 2012-06-07 12:16
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
Quoting Hax:
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
OTT and CBJ are close to a trade...

Nash
2nd round (45)

for

10th, 12th, 15th

How do we get those u ask...

Ottawa to Buffalo
Foligno.and A.Petersson for 12th overall

Ottawa to TB
Bishop, Puempel for 10th overall


Flame on!


Pure insanity.


Oh come on, its completely feasable!


I don't think your offer is completely ridiculous, but it just seems like we're giving up a bit much for those extra 2 picks and the return Columbus would get on Nash, in this deal, is lower than what they seem to be asking for.

Puempel was 24th in a strong draft and is considered a steal at that pick by some, and Bishop, as some keep telling me, is considered one of the better goalie prospects. I know in a given year trading your 24th and 2nd rounder for a 10th overall makes complete sense, but at this point I think the players representing those picks on the Sens side are worth more than that because they are already along in their development compared to the brand new picks.
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0 #101 Hax 2012-06-07 12:17
I'm expecting Murray to have a short list of D. Some who are in this year's draft and some that are within other organizations from recent drafts. If one of the guys he (or his scouts) like from this year's draft is still there at 15 he'll take that guy, if not he'll shop the pick for one of the prospects within other orgs - similar to Rundblad.

Plus I expect him to move out a forward prospect or two in return for D prospects or picks to use on D in the draft.

I doubt we'll see anything really exciting though (at the draft anyway).
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0 #102 Tookie 2012-06-07 12:24
Seems like alot of work for the Sens to get all those picks and then offer them to CBJ but if CBJ would just accept a straight up offer of:

15th overall.
Bishop
2013 1st round pick (should be mid to late pick)
One D of Boro, Wier, Gryba.
One FW of Greening, Condra, Foligno.
One Prospect of Peterssen, Puempel, Hoffman.

For

Nash
2nd round pick 45th overall.

I would do this in a heartbeat, we dont lose much in terms of prospects and the roster players we are giving up are easily replaced.
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0 #103 Tookie 2012-06-07 12:27
Quoting Hax:
I'm expecting Murray to have a short list of D. Some who are in this year's draft and some that are within other organizations from recent drafts. If one of the guys he (or his scouts) like from this year's draft is still there at 15 he'll take that guy, if not he'll shop the pick for one of the prospects within other orgs - similar to Rundblad.

Plus I expect him to move out a forward prospect or two in return for D prospects or picks to use on D in the draft.

I doubt we'll see anything really exciting though (at the draft anyway).


Yep here I am trying to make some fun scenarios and Hax comes down hard with the hammer of truth.

What Hax says is most likely whats going to happen...thx alot Hax...
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0 #104 Hax 2012-06-07 12:32
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
Quoting Hax:
I'm expecting Murray to have a short list of D. Some who are in this year's draft and some that are within other organizations from recent drafts. If one of the guys he (or his scouts) like from this year's draft is still there at 15 he'll take that guy, if not he'll shop the pick for one of the prospects within other orgs - similar to Rundblad.

Plus I expect him to move out a forward prospect or two in return for D prospects or picks to use on D in the draft.

I doubt we'll see anything really exciting though (at the draft anyway).


Yep here I am trying to make some fun scenarios and Hax comes down hard with the hammer of truth.

What Hax says is most likely whats going to happen...thx alot Hax...


LOL

Didn't mean to rain on your parade. I actually think your proposed trade is somewhat feasible, but your explanation seems to say that the picks are worth more than the players to CBJ and the picks are worth less than the players to TB and BUF. Don't think you can have it both ways.

I think we could get those picks with a little bit less going the other way (or maybe get the pick plus a later round pick or something). And while I can see CBJ considering having four first rounders, they would have to give up on their idea of roster players and commit to a few years of sucking even more than they do now while the four guys develop.
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+1 #105 Hax 2012-06-07 12:41
Spezza up to 50.25% - keep going!!
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0 #106 MethotToMyMadness 2012-06-07 12:50
Bishop is much better than many give him credit for. The scouting reports have always been good, often mentioning he is deceptively quick, relaying on his athleticism. Sure he covers a lot of net, that's just a bonus for being such a big goalie. Take a look at his stats, including his 24 wins and 0.928 Sv% last year with Peoria. And not only did he win some games for the Sens, he also stole 2 wins in Bingo out of 3 games posting a 0.944 sv%.

The fact that St. Louis moved him makes everyone think the club didn't have faith in his abilities, which is garbage. St. Louis received a lights out peformance by Elliot which forced a hand they never expected would have to be played. There was no way Bishop would sign a 2 way contract after this year. After a decision to go with Elliot they offered to do the best thing for Bishop, which is send him somewhere he will have the ability to play NHL hockey.

Good on BM for seeing the opportunity and jumping at it.
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0 #107 SNOOPY SENIOR 2012-06-07 12:57
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:
Quoting SNOOPY SENIOR:

Finally, I think the Sens will move up in the Standings, and be in top 4 of Eastern Conference.


I would like to know how you come up with that prediction?

We finished 7th last year, while being very inconsistant through out the year.

Spezza, Karlsson, Michalek had possibly they're best seasons to date with the Sens and young guys like Greening, Smith and Foligno had career years in goals.

They would have to duplicate that or be even better for the sens to finish 4th in the East. You have to remember we will be adding more rookies to the line up, possibly Zibanejad & Silfverberg, both of whom IMO wont make an immediate impact, especially not the impact it would take for us to finish 4th in the East.

I say we finish somewhere between 6th and 10th depending on injuries. I will never again not account for this team being coached by Paul Maclean.


Come on, now you are showing your old Tookie self- negativity attitude once again.

You will be more than surprised to see, that if they over-achieved this past season, they will improve over last year, due to new players performing better than expected.

Hope your question has been addressed accordingly.
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0 #108 Sensnation 2012-06-07 13:03
Quoting madpajamma:
Bishop is much better than many give him credit for. The scouting reports have always been good, often mentioning he is deceptively quick, relaying on his athleticism. Sure he covers a lot of net, that's just a bonus for being such a big goalie. Take a look at his stats, including his 24 wins and 0.928 Sv% last year with Peoria. And not only did he win some games for the Sens, he also stole 2 wins in Bingo out of 3 games posting a 0.944 sv%.

The fact that St. Louis moved him makes everyone think the club didn't have faith in his abilities, which is garbage. St. Louis received a lights out peformance by Elliot which forced a hand they never expected would have to be played. There was no way Bishop would sign a 2 way contract after this year. After a decision to go with Elliot they offered to do the best thing for Bishop, which is send him somewhere he will have the ability to play NHL hockey.

Good on BM for seeing the opportunity and jumping at it.


That's not exactly true. St Louis brought in Elliott before he rebounded, because they didn't trust Bishop's skills and lack of experience behind Halak. He was not their goalie of the future for good reason. Yes Elliott's great year made the decision easier to move him, but they already had a lack of faith in him prior to that.

They also have Jake Allen who was already sharing AHL duties with Bishop.
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0 #109 Hax 2012-06-07 13:06
Quoting Sensnation:
That's not exactly true. St Louis brought in Elliott before he rebounded, because they didn't trust Bishop's skills and lack of experience behind Halak. He was not their goalie of the future for good reason. Yes Elliott's great year made the decision easier to move him, but they already had a lack of faith in him prior to that.

They also have Jake Allen who was already sharing AHL duties with Bishop.


I'm not so sure it was lack of faith in so much as just wanting to add depth. I think they saw Elliott as a decent backup to Halak and someone that wouldn't be too hard to part with should Bishop be ready. I think they still saw him as a future part of their NHL team but a year away.
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0 #110 Sensnation 2012-06-07 13:10
Quoting Hax:
Quoting Sensnation:
That's not exactly true. St Louis brought in Elliott before he rebounded, because they didn't trust Bishop's skills and lack of experience behind Halak. He was not their goalie of the future for good reason. Yes Elliott's great year made the decision easier to move him, but they already had a lack of faith in him prior to that.

They also have Jake Allen who was already sharing AHL duties with Bishop.


I'm not so sure it was lack of faith in so much as just wanting to add depth. I think they saw Elliott as a decent backup to Halak and someone that wouldn't be too hard to part with should Bishop be ready. I think they still saw him as a future part of their NHL team but a year away.


They came out and said they wanted a better goalie with NHL experience behind Halak and Bishop wasn't even getting the lions share of the AHL duty in 2010-11. They weren't even going to give him the games needed to retain his rights.

To me it's pretty clear he wasn't in their long term plans, what the reasons are is debatable I guess.
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+1 #111 Hax 2012-06-07 13:18
Quoting Sensnation:
Quoting Hax:
Quoting Sensnation:
That's not exactly true. St Louis brought in Elliott before he rebounded, because they didn't trust Bishop's skills and lack of experience behind Halak. He was not their goalie of the future for good reason. Yes Elliott's great year made the decision easier to move him, but they already had a lack of faith in him prior to that.

They also have Jake Allen who was already sharing AHL duties with Bishop.


I'm not so sure it was lack of faith in so much as just wanting to add depth. I think they saw Elliott as a decent backup to Halak and someone that wouldn't be too hard to part with should Bishop be ready. I think they still saw him as a future part of their NHL team but a year away.


They came out and said they wanted a better goalie with NHL experience behind Halak and Bishop wasn't even getting the lions share of the AHL duty in 2010-11. They weren't even going to give him the games needed to retain his rights.

To me it's pretty clear he wasn't in their long term plans, what the reasons are is debatable I guess.


So when did he become "the best goalie not in the NHL"? Or was that just BS that the talking heads on TSN came up with?
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0 #112 Sensnation 2012-06-07 13:20
Quoting Hax:
Quoting Sensnation:
Quoting Hax:
Quoting Sensnation:
That's not exactly true. St Louis brought in Elliott before he rebounded, because they didn't trust Bishop's skills and lack of experience behind Halak. He was not their goalie of the future for good reason. Yes Elliott's great year made the decision easier to move him, but they already had a lack of faith in him prior to that.

They also have Jake Allen who was already sharing AHL duties with Bishop.


I'm not so sure it was lack of faith in so much as just wanting to add depth. I think they saw Elliott as a decent backup to Halak and someone that wouldn't be too hard to part with should Bishop be ready. I think they still saw him as a future part of their NHL team but a year away.


They came out and said they wanted a better goalie with NHL experience behind Halak and Bishop wasn't even getting the lions share of the AHL duty in 2010-11. They weren't even going to give him the games needed to retain his rights.

To me it's pretty clear he wasn't in their long term plans, what the reasons are is debatable I guess.


So when did he become "the best goalie not in the NHL"? Or was that just BS that the talking heads on TSN came up with?


Personally I think it was BS and more meant to mean he was the most experienced NHL ready goalie not in the NHL, not the best prospect goalie out of anyone still not in the NHL, because he definitely isn't.
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0 #113 Alcatraz 2012-06-07 13:23
Clearly they saw Halak as their franchise goalie which is why they didn't want to bury Bishop behind him, the same way we weren't gunna bury Lehner behind Anderson (not to say andie is a franchise goalie)

Treat Auld in the same breath as Elliott

St. Louis struggled so much at the beginning of the year that Elliott got some starts and impressed. Then they continued sucking, and Hitch took over and Elliott forced the hand of a rotation.

I'm pretty sure when St. Louis signed Elliott on a one year deal, it was to be a stop gap for one more year until Bishop was completely ready

Now that they had the best tandem in the league in Halak/Elliott with like you said a younger Allen who is a few more years away, Bishop became expendable, since they could grab a 2nd for him, and then revert back to square one with Allen replacing Bishop as their "next goalie who is young"

seems to make sense to me
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0 #114 Sensnation 2012-06-07 13:28
Quoting Alcatraz:
Clearly they saw Halak as their franchise goalie which is why they didn't want to bury Bishop behind him, the same way we weren't gunna bury Lehner behind Anderson (not to say andie is a franchise goalie)

Treat Auld in the same breath as Elliott

St. Louis struggled so much at the beginning of the year that Elliott got some starts and impressed. Then they continued sucking, and Hitch took over and Elliott forced the hand of a rotation.

I'm pretty sure when St. Louis signed Elliott on a one year deal, it was to be a stop gap for one more year until Bishop was completely ready

Now that they had the best tandem in the league in Halak/Elliott with like you said a younger Allen who is a few more years away, Bishop became expendable, since they could grab a 2nd for him, and then revert back to square one with Allen replacing Bishop as their "next goalie who is young"

seems to make sense to me


They would've lost Bishop at the end of this past season because they didn't play him and he wanted a chance. Not sure how that keeps him in their long term plan. They traded him so that they wouldn't lose him for nothing at the end of the year.
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+2 #115 Hax 2012-06-07 13:31
Spezza just hit 50.5%
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+1 #116 ZipZapRap 2012-06-07 14:10
Funny thing about the spezza play of the year clip,

they barely show the first play he makes on the boards,
when he passes to himself behind his back.
The average fan probably wouldnt even know it happened since they didnt see the game at the time

I think it was a big part of the sequence. Maybe he'd have more non sen fan votes if they show it all
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0 #117 drdemento 2012-06-07 14:30
Bishop reminds me of Gerber because they both play the same. They are like a table hockey goalie, they do not make saves per se, they just sort of get in the way. Just my opinion of course.
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0 #118 Sandy 2012-06-07 14:50
The draft is coming up fast... 2 weeks from tomorrow.. followed by Sens development camp then free agency.. Has anyone heard if the Sens are holding a draft party this year?

I hope the Sens concentrate on D in this draft.. They have a good group of young forward prospects and now lack defense.

Would Griffin Reinhardt be a better pick than Ceci or Maata?
What about Koekkoek? But of course to get Reinhardt -- the Sens would have to move up to the top 6 or so...

If all of those are gone.. and Murray decides to trade the pick instead of using it.. I hope it's for a young defenseman.. that's near NHL ready..

I expect Murray to do some trading at the draft.. but it had better not include one beginning with L and ending with R.. as I have a woman crush on Lehner...

By the way.. Lehner had as many wins in 5 games after the Anderson injury (3).. as Bishop had in 10 games. Lehner also got that shutout in Boston.. something that has not been done by a Sens goalie in a long time..

There are some reports that there will be a 2-month lockout/strike and the NHL won't start under around Dec 1st. I hope that's not the scenario. I don't like the fact that discussions won't even happen until after the draft. Should they not have had discussions starting in at least April to ensure they have enough time to get a deal done -- or then again.. did they not want to get players involved that were in the playoffs?

I don't know if I can wait until December.
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+1 #119 Hax 2012-06-07 14:57
I for one thought Lehner played better than Bishop last year as well (not by a lot though). I fully expected Lehner to be the backup in the playoffs and figured that Lehner was sent down just to play every night and stay sharp.

Still don't know what would have happened had Anderson gotten hurt - there are those that have suggested Bishop was backup in name only and if we had to go another one (other than mop-up) it would have been Lehner over Bishop.
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0 #120 SNOOPY SENIOR 2012-06-07 15:01
The 2004 lockout for the complete season was a total disaster for both parties.

You would think, that they would resolve any and all issues,
in order to avoid a 2 month lockout !!!
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+1 #121 Tookie 2012-06-07 15:07
@ Sandy

Its the NHL and its crummy board of execs and the Union. I doubt we will see a lockout, maybe something similar to the NFL where only training camps were cancelled...
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+1 #122 Andrews Theory 2012-06-07 15:15
Riddle me this...

BM took a small gamble on Filatov, what are the chances he takes a gamble on Radulov?

I fully appreciate the issues that have surrounded him but when you have the chance to land an elite 1st line player in their prime for next to nothing, isn't it worth the gamble on a short term contract?

Spezza 9mm Radulov
Turris Alfie Silfverberg
Smith Foligno Zibanejad
Winchester Neil Greening

Not bad....
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+1 #123 Hax 2012-06-07 15:24
Quoting Andrews Theory:
Riddle me this...

BM took a small gamble on Filatov, what are the chances he takes a gamble on Radulov?

I fully appreciate the issues that have surrounded him but when you have the chance to land an elite 1st line player in their prime for next to nothing, isn't it worth the gamble on a short term contract?

Spezza 9mm Radulov
Turris Alfie Silfverberg
Smith Foligno Zibanejad
Winchester Neil Greening

Not bad....


I'm sure you'll get "riddled" with anti-Russian responses here but depending on the cost I'd be okay with another roll of the dice.

However, Winnie is as good as gone I'm afraid. Unless Murray does a "quantity for quality" trade to free up some room at the NHL level for forwards that spot in your lineup likely goes to O'Brien. And don't forget Regin.
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0 #124 Sensnation 2012-06-07 15:27
Quoting Andrews Theory:
Riddle me this...

BM took a small gamble on Filatov, what are the chances he takes a gamble on Radulov?

I fully appreciate the issues that have surrounded him but when you have the chance to land an elite 1st line player in their prime for next to nothing, isn't it worth the gamble on a short term contract?

Spezza 9mm Radulov
Turris Alfie Silfverberg
Smith Foligno Zibanejad
Winchester Neil Greening

Not bad....


I wouldn't mind seeing that if the price is reasonable, but you should check out this article

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1111246-alexander-radulov-must-buy-out-of-khl-contract-next-season-to-stay-with-preds

Supposedly he is already under KHL contract for next year and the 5M salary he has there is probably more than BM would offer.
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+1 #125 Hax 2012-06-07 15:38
Quoting Sensnation:
Supposedly he is already under KHL contract for next year and the 5M salary he has there is probably more than BM would offer.


It better be. I'd be okay with him getting $5M per year AFTER he played a full season and scored 30 goals or more. Not after the short (and scandal-ridden) stint with Nashville.
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+1 #126 ZipZapRap 2012-06-07 15:46
I have 5 tabs open doing the auto refresh thing..

http://www.pagereboot.com/?url=http://www.tsn.ca/showdown/2012/vote.aspx?id=2584&refresh=1


It's kinda hard to believe it's working when I'm doing 300 votes/minute and the % only changes in 0.01 increments
or it goes down

lets hope it works haha
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0 #127 MoeDozer 2012-06-07 15:47
Quoting Sensnation:
Quoting Andrews Theory:
Riddle me this...

BM took a small gamble on Filatov, what are the chances he takes a gamble on Radulov?

I fully appreciate the issues that have surrounded him but when you have the chance to land an elite 1st line player in their prime for next to nothing, isn't it worth the gamble on a short term contract?

Spezza 9mm Radulov
Turris Alfie Silfverberg
Smith Foligno Zibanejad
Winchester Neil Greening

Not bad....


I wouldn't mind seeing that if the price is reasonable, but you should check out this article

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1111246-alexander-radulov-must-buy-out-of-khl-contract-next-season-to-stay-with-preds

Supposedly he is already under KHL contract for next year and the 5M salary he has there is probably more than BM would offer.

CSKA (richest team in the KHL) and run by sergei federov are trying to sign radulov and semin. however CSKA apparently are still hesistant because his rights (belong to Salavat) are asking for 8m$
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0 #128 Hax 2012-06-07 15:51
Quoting ZipZapRap:
I have 5 tabs open doing the auto refresh thing..

http://www.pagereboot.com/?url=http://www.tsn.ca/showdown/2012/vote.aspx?id=2584&refresh=1


It's kinda hard to believe it's working when I'm doing 300 votes/minute and the % only changes in 0.01 increments

lets hope haha


It's possible that Jets fans are doing the same thing for Pavs.

It's also possible that tsn only counts votes from unique IPs.

Who knows?
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0 #129 Andrews Theory 2012-06-07 15:53
Quoting Hax:
Quoting Andrews Theory:
Riddle me this...

BM took a small gamble on Filatov, what are the chances he takes a gamble on Radulov?

I fully appreciate the issues that have surrounded him but when you have the chance to land an elite 1st line player in their prime for next to nothing, isn't it worth the gamble on a short term contract?

Spezza 9mm Radulov
Turris Alfie Silfverberg
Smith Foligno Zibanejad
Winchester Neil Greening

Not bad....


I'm sure you'll get "riddled" with anti-Russian responses here but depending on the cost I'd be okay with another roll of the dice.

However, Winnie is as good as gone I'm afraid. Unless Murray does a "quantity for quality" trade to free up some room at the NHL level for forwards that spot in your lineup likely goes to O'Brien. And don't forget Regin.



you are probably right about Winchester, especially with O'Brien waiting in the wings for the 4th line ctr. I'd love Regin to step in and have a fully productive year but I'm cautiously pessimistic.
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-1 #130 ZipZapRap 2012-06-07 16:05
jets fans clearly have more fire power

took forever to jump up .01 %

and now we just dropped by .05 % in minutes

Dropping at a steady rate now

BOOOOOOOOOOOOO


**** yeah thumbs down all you want, Im doing my part
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0 #131 Hax 2012-06-07 16:13
Quoting ZipZapRap:
jets fans clearly have more fire power

took forever to jump up .01 %

and now we just dropped by .05 % in minutes

Dropping at a steady rate now

BOOOOOOOOOOOOO


**** yeah thumbs down all you want, Im doing my part


Going to assume the thumbs down was to the news that Spezza is slipping, not to the fact that you're trying to prevent it.

Or maybe someone still bitter over your hate-on for MM9.
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0 #132 ZipZapRap 2012-06-07 16:13
Just found this on the jets forum...


1) Download the imacros add-on for Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...os-for-firefox

2) Open up TSN's Play of the Year page: http://www.tsn.ca/showdown/2012/

3) Click on the Macros button next to the address bar.

4) Click the "Rec" tab and then the "Record" button.

5) Click on "Vote Now" under Spezza, then the X on the Live Chat pop up, then the refresh button.

6) Press the "Stop" button, located two buttons below "Record".

7) Click on the "Play" tab, set the "Max:" to 99999 and click "Play (Loop)"

8) Run for as long as you want.
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0 #133 MoeDozer 2012-06-07 16:16
Quoting ZipZapRap:
jets fans clearly have more fire power

took forever to jump up .01 %

and now we just dropped by .05 % in minutes

Dropping at a steady rate now

BOOOOOOOOOOOOO


**** yeah thumbs down all you want, Im doing my part

i think the reason jets are catching up right now because it is rush hour in ottawa. most people are driving.
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0 #134 ZipZapRap 2012-06-07 16:18
they are using the method I just posted above

the only way we will win is if we use that method

spezz is dropping fast and steady
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0 #135 Hax 2012-06-07 16:23
It has fluctuated all day. Spezza was in the 48% range this morning.

I'm not sure that macro works - not unless you put a pause in there. Otherwise it refreshes the page before your vote counts.

I like the reboot site method better (though not 100% sure that actual works either).
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0 #136 Sandy 2012-06-07 16:57
Spezza dropping because of the Jets fans.. and probably the anti-Sens - -Leaf fans..

It will be hard now for him to win...keep at it.
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0 #137 Hax 2012-06-07 17:01
Quoting Sandy:
Spezza dropping because of the Jets fans.. and probably the anti-Sens - -Leaf fans..

It will be hard now for him to win...keep at it.


Well he was over 50% shortly after 10am this morning - so assuming we have the same daily cycle (or close) it should be possible for him to be ahead when the voting closes.
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0 #138 MoeDozer 2012-06-07 17:09
Quoting Sandy:
Spezza dropping because of the Jets fans.. and probably the anti-Sens - -Leaf fans..

It will be hard now for him to win...keep at it.

there is still hope. if we some how beat huge fan favorite eberle. then we should be able to handle pav
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0 #139 Spinorama 2012-06-07 17:56
Quoting IDontKnowAnythingAboutHockey:

Nash
2nd round (45)

for

10th, 12th, 15th

How do we get those u ask...

Ottawa to Buffalo
Foligno.and A.Petersson for 12th overall

Ottawa to TB
Bishop, Puempel for 10th overall

Flame on!


People here seem to forget that Buffalo and TB have 2 first rounders and that these moves help them out alot. Buffalo is high on Foligno and it's his home town. Win/Win.

I don't know if TB would want Bishop or prefer to get their hands on Anderson. If so I'd still make that trade. Anderson wouldn't mind returning to Florida. Win/Win

Then we acquire Nash without giving up Stone, Zibby, Silfv. Noesen, Pageau or Prince .... seems like a genius move although alot of work on Bryan Murrays end. But if he acquires that 12th overall for Foligno then packages it with 15th and a goalie. Hard for Colombus to say no to having 5 picks in the first 2 rounds and competition for Mason.
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0 #140 111519 2012-06-07 18:08
I like Tookies trades to get the 10th and 12th to go with our 15th. But instead of trading them for Nash how about we trade the 10th and 12 to the NYI for the 4th, then pick Forsbeg and Ceci.

With those picks we would have the ddepest prospect pool in the league and begin winning the cup in 2015.
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0 #141 SensChirp 2012-06-07 19:01
Quoting ZipZapRap:
Just found this on the jets forum...


1) Download the imacros add-on for Firefox: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...os-for-firefox

2) Open up TSN's Play of the Year page: http://www.tsn.ca/showdown/2012/

3) Click on the Macros button next to the address bar.

4) Click the "Rec" tab and then the "Record" button.

5) Click on "Vote Now" under Spezza, then the X on the Live Chat pop up, then the refresh button.

6) Press the "Stop" button, located two buttons below "Record".

7) Click on the "Play" tab, set the "Max:" to 99999 and click "Play (Loop)"

8) Run for as long as you want.

Not sure if this works but if it does I just cast 500 votes for the good guy :)
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+1 #142 ZachPraiseTheSwedes 2012-06-07 19:01
thought...
We obviously need a defenceman to play with Karlsson. Bryan Murray was quite clear at his end of the year press conference when he said he wants a top tier d-man to take the pressure off of Karlsson. His reasoning was that the way our team is structured right now, the opposition has a pretty simple game plan against us...aka shut down Karlsson and you shut down our offense which i believe to be very accurate. Now the question is who are they targeting.
Everyone seems to be only looking at Suter as the "elite guy" that's available. Yes he clearly is the best UFA. But let's be honest...even if we over pay, our chances of getting him are slim to none. After hearing Tim Murray I really don't think we'll even make a pitch for Suter. I think we will be making a trade of some sort. And I feel like it will be a big one.
Everyone seems to be forgetting that Shea Webber has made it well known he doesn't want to stick around in Nashville if they don't get substantially better. Poile tried but failed. And now that Suter is almost certainly leaving, ther just isn't a chance Webber stays. Lets also consider he wants a long term contract and there just is no way he signs one with NSH. Even good old bob Mackenzie said he expects Webber to leave. Now...he is an RFA so he can't just walk. But if his captain is unhappy, Poile will definitely accommodate him just like Nash in CLB. I expect him to get traded soon after free agency gets under way. The thing that's different about Webber than Suter is that there won't be as many GM's after him because they simply don't have the assets to give up. We on the other have plenty!! The big thing to consider is in order to get the"best defeceman" in the league we'll have to give up some serious assets. It won't be our B prospects. It would probably take some players that none of us want to give up aka Zib, Silfv, Noeson, Stone, Cowen. Just like Rundblad it will hurt. But Webber is very much worth it!!
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+1 #143 Spinorama 2012-06-07 19:04
Quoting 111519:
I like Tookies trades to get the 10th and 12th to go with our 15th. But instead of trading them for Nash how about we trade the 10th and 12 to the NYI for the 4th, then pick Forsbeg and Ceci.

With those picks we would have the ddepest prospect pool in the league and begin winning the cup in 2015.


I like thst idea also but I have found that some Sens fans here seem to think that having the deepest crop of prospects = Guaranteed Stanley Cup !. Until Edmonton wins the cup I am going to continue to beleive that to win the cup you need a good mix of vets, young guys and a little bit of luck. No one knows for sure if ANY of our prospects will become ELITE NHL players. It might also take them 4-5 years to break into the league also. Our pool of talent is deep but it's no Yakupov, RNH, Eberle, MPS ETC ...
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0 #144 ZachPraiseTheSwedes 2012-06-07 19:14
..cont'd

If he doesn't get traded he will end up going to arbitration again because he will again be low balled because he only wants long term. He will probably be again rewarded a record arbitration contract. Which means he will become a UFA the following year. Just like Parise did this year. If you're an elite player like Suter, Parise or Webber you'd be stupid not to take advantage of a once in a life time opportunity. That is being a UFA where 30 teams want you. It's literally a chance to guarantee yourself the Lotto 6/49 for the rest of your career. These guys aren't stupid and neither are their agents. Trust me these agents are good at selling and they will convince their clients to go after the biggest contract possible. It could easily mean an extra couple million in their pocket.

My point...

I really do believe we have a good chance at either getting Webber this year or at the very worse next year.
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+2 #145 A Train 2012-06-07 19:37
No where near on topic but Bob McKenzie is taking questions on Twitter right now. Someone asked who is favourite current player is....
His response:
Greatly admire Daniel Alfredsson. Have a new-found respect/admirat ion for Matt Hendricks and Brandon Prust.
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0 #146 ZipZapRap 2012-06-07 20:37
They have a Bot for Google Chrome also...

GOOGLE CHROME
http://www.iopus.com/imacros/chrome/

FIREFOX
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fir...os-for-firefox

1) Download the add-on
2) Open up TSN's Play of the Year page: http://www.tsn.ca/showdown/2012/
3) Click on the Macros button next to the address bar.
4) Click the "Rec" tab and then the "Record" button.
5) Click on "Vote Now" under Spezza, then the X on the Live Chat pop up, then the refresh button.
6) Press the "Stop" button, located two buttons below "Record".
7) Click on the "Play" tab, set the "Max:" to 99999 and click "Play (Loop)"
8) Run for as long as you want.
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0 #147 DenisVial 2012-06-07 21:35
$4 million a year for David Jones! Holy shit! What the hell is going to happen on July 1st if a 20 goal scorer is worth $4,000,000? I think Foligno will be gone at the draft because his agent is going to be all over this contract like a fat kid on a Smartie! If these are the kind of contracts that will be handed out on July 1st, then I hope Murray signs Bryan Allen at $3.5(hopefully) , and then puts Eugene's check book away until the new collective agreement puts the brakes on salary inflation.
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0 #150 ZipZapRap 2012-06-07 22:23
If someone has an HFboards account, they need to push that method in my comment above

I tried making an account but they need to review accounts before posting


seems like they dont have the same tempo as the jets forum
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+2 #151 m410 2012-06-07 22:36
Too many Jets fans using macro's. You can tell exactly what's going on. Just refresh a few times. It changes consistently in favour of Pavelec ... How sad that they would resort to using a macro to try and win. I'd have no problem seeing Spezza lose to a superior play, but honestly I'm having a hard time figuring out why that save is even on the list. We see that kind of save all the time. Nothing special here?
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0 #153 1987 2012-06-08 00:30
Wow. I recently found out about this new movement to teach website coding to the masses (namely Mozilla Thimble and www.codecademy.com), and thought it was a great idea.
Listening to this talk of hacking TSN's site to switch votes, or Firefox add-ons that automatically keep casting ballots just kinda scared me, I envisioned a future internet filled with petty amateur hackers just mangling the world wide web for the hell of it.

Can't wait to see who Karlsson gets as partner!
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0 #154 my2sens 2012-06-08 07:21
My finger is starting to hurt...
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0 #155 my2sens 2012-06-08 07:24
His numbers are dropping... common guys... VOTE!!!
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0 #156 my2sens 2012-06-08 07:26
SC - Don't think the refresh is working... either that or more Pav fans than I thought!!
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0 #157 Spinorama 2012-06-08 08:14
Wow David jones getting 4 million a year. Same type of player as Foligno. Now can everyone agree it's time to trade Foligno !? If not you've given Kuba's salary to Foligno. I like the guy and he has shown major improvement over the years but to me he is another Peter Scheaffer. Time to sell high and call Buffalo to make a move. they could be willing to part with their 21st overall if the 10th is untouchable. Writing is on the wall. Say good bye To Nick Foligno Sens Fans.
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0 #158 Spinorama 2012-06-08 08:19
*correction* 12th overall not 10th.
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