Sunday, 04 March 2012 20:42

Sens Fall in Florida

With New Jersey and Boston both losing earlier in the day, the Sens had a great chance to close some ground on the teams ahead of them in the Eastern Conference.

Instead, the Ottawa Senators let a 2-0 lead slip away and dropped their second straight game in the process.  The Sens definitely showed signs of frustration ultimately falling 4-2 at the hands of the Southeast leading Panthers.

It's going to be easy to label just about every game as an "important two points" down the stretch but this one took on extra significance with both teams in the thick of the East playoff race.  And while the Sens started strong, they just couldn't sustain that effort level for a full sixty minutes

Playing his second career game in the NHL and first in a Senators uniform, Rob Klinkhammer played on a line with Alfredsson and Turris and was possibly the Sens best forward. On the game's opening goal, Klinkhammer was hard on the fore check and set a perfect screen for a Jared Cowen point shot.

Late in the first, it was Jim O'Brien with a good hard work shift that resulted in Chris Neil's 11th of the season and a well deserved 2-0 lead after twenty.  Unfortunately for MacLean's squad, a strong start evaporated in an awful hurry as the Panthers looked like a different team to start the second period.

First it was Marcel Goc deflecting a shot up and over Robin Lehner and then minutes later, Krys Barch beat Lehner on a breakaway to tie the game at 2-2. Neil took a double minor for high sticking half way through the period and the Panthers wasted no time making Ottawa pay, as Samuelsson deflected a pass in tight to give Florida a lead they would not relinquish.

Kyle Turris had the best chance to tie the game in the third but his snap shot caught iron after beating Theodore high on the glove hand side.

Obviously a frustrating loss for the Senators to drop a game that they were in control of after twenty.  You could see just how frustrated the Sens best players were as both Erik Karlsson and Jason Spezza took bad penalties.

The Senators have a busy week ahead that will see them play three more games before the week is out. Next up are the surging Lightning on Tuesday night in Tampa Bay.

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-5 #1 sbs138 2012-03-04 20:48
i'm starting to get worried. when's Andy back?
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+1 #2 Tookie 2012-03-04 21:21
I hope they give Bishop a shot, see if he can get us a few wins...

Seriously, when is Andy back?
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+3 #3 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2012-03-04 21:41
I think this was a reminder that this team is still very young, growing and learning to play in the NHL. We have a ton of new players that are playing a lengthy NHL season for the first time, and are very much inexperienced.

Smith, Condra, Greening, Butler, Cowen are all playing this type of hockey for the very first time.

While I believe we can be a playoff team, let's not forget that the team isn't nearly as good as they are going to be in several years. We all have expectations for the team, but they should be within reason. Even Erik Karlsson, whose been awesome all year long, is still twenty one years old. He will make mistakes. Heck, even Kyle Turris is only twenty two!

It's all a part of the process. I hate calling it "growing pains" as those stupid TSN guys pinned the Sens down as in the offseason, but at times it's going to seem like that. I think the team has done so well this season that our expectations have gone threw the roof and have blinded us a bit that we are still in the early building stages of becoming a lethal team for what should be years to come.

These guys are only going to get better and better.
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+4 #4 Anonymustache 2012-03-04 21:51
Chirp, thanks for the breakdown but you missed one crucial point.....

PAul McLean over fucked with the lineup today....hope he learned from that.

Butler needs to come out...
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+1 #5 Sandy 2012-03-04 22:09
Lehner is going to have nightmares tonight of Panther players skating through and around the Sens D like they were standing still. He let in a couple of so-so goals.. but he had no help tonight.

Sens got up 2 goals and figured the would coast the rest of the game. One problem... Florida came to play. They wanted it more.

That was one of the worst games I have seen them play. The first line was awful... Turris' line was OK some of the time. Klinkhammer looked good in his first game.

O'Brien has been playing well.. but McLean he is NOT a 3rd line centre.

Get Smith back in.. sit someone else.. probably will be Butler.

3 undisciplined penalties between Karlsson & Spezza.... most uncharacteristic.

The teams below 8th in the standings..espe cially Tampa & Buffalo are playing well.

The Sens want to be in the playoffs.. they had better start playing like they want to.

How can a team who played probably their best game of the season in Boston, play so badly the next 2 games.

Go with Lehner on Tuesday.... big mistake to go back to Auld...

I think Bishop comes up when they get home on Thursday...

McLean looked really angry leaving the bench at the end of the game.

Golf cancelled tomorrow.. bag skate instead...
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+6 #6 Ryan 2012-03-04 22:46
It's easy to blame the goalie when the forwards arent scoring and our d not fast enough I defiantly think it's not goalie it's the players man they need to wake up it was like that the last few games
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0 #7 DenisVial 2012-03-04 23:43
[quote name="Sandy"]Le hner is going to have nightmares tonight of Panther players skating through and around the Sens D like they were standing still. He let in a couple of so-so goals.. but he had no help tonight.

Sens got up 2 goals and figured the would coast the rest of the game. One problem... Florida came to play. They wanted it more.

That was one of the worst games I have seen them play. The first line was awful... Turris' line was OK some of the time. Klinkhammer looked good in his first game.

O'Brien has been playing well.. but McLean he is NOT a 3rd line centre.

Get Smith back in.. sit someone else.. probably will be Butler.

3 undisciplined penalties between Karlsson & Spezza.... most uncharacteristic.

The teams below 8th in the standings..espe cially Tampa & Buffalo are playing well.

The Sens want to be in the playoffs.. they had better start playing like they want to.

How can a team who played probably their best game of the season in Boston, play so badly the next 2 games.

Go with Lehner on Tuesday.... big mistake to go back to Auld...

I think Bishop comes up when they get home on Thursday...

McLean looked really angry leaving the bench at the end of the game.

Golf is for teams that miss the playoffs. Brian Burke must be a scratch golfer.
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-2 #8 SENSible Musings 2012-03-05 00:00
Team is a lock for the playoffs so no worries there.
The downside is that teams are keying on Karlsson and Spezza and they don't have an extra gear or secondary plan.

Send Lehner down, bring up BB-Shop.
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-3 #9 111519 2012-03-05 00:20
Whats the status of Regin??

We could use him on the second line with Alfie and Turris.

Please put Greening on the top line with Spezza and Michalek, they had good chemistry.

Michalek Spezza Greening
Alfie Turris Regin
Foligno Smith Condra
Neil Konopka Obrien

Butler/Klinkahammer
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+4 #10 CrazzieCanuk 2012-03-05 00:22
What's this talk about sending Lehner down??

Man you guys are a fickle bunch. I agree it wasn't his best game he could have competed a bit better but this lost should not be put on his shoulders...
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+4 #11 MoeDozer 2012-03-05 00:48
i guess some of us got too used to lehner being spectacular that some almost forgot that he is still a 20 year old rookie that had literally no support tonight (nor did he in last couple games either)
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+5 #12 Mark33 2012-03-05 01:25
OKKKK CALM THE HECK DOWN. when is andy coming back? you guy's are starting to remind me of the anyoing hab fans that can't take a loss. Lehner , yes the Robin Lehner everyone was going crazy for 2 games ago get's destroyed by his own defense and you hang him? this site was amazing before it got crazy populated with nut cases going crazy on a kid who's put in a situation that completly sucks. butler ,greening , condra...not working right now. the D not actualy playing D sens need scoring NOT goaltending. Sens need stable D not goaltending. This coment section needs real fans, NOT GOALTENDING
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+1 #13 steve scullion 2012-03-05 06:41
Quoting Mark33:
OKKKK CALM THE HECK DOWN. when is andy coming back? you guy's are starting to remind me of the anyoing hab fans that can't take a loss. Lehner , yes the Robin Lehner everyone was going crazy for 2 games ago get's destroyed by his own defense and you hang him? this site was amazing before it got crazy populated with nut cases going crazy on a kid who's put in a situation that completly sucks. butler ,greening , condra...not working right now. the D not actualy playing D sens need scoring NOT goaltending. Sens need stable D not goaltending. This coment section needs real fans, NOT GOALTENDING

Marc 33 I couldn't have said it better!!!
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-2 #14 Ottawa23 2012-03-05 07:53
Bobby Butler = Ryan Shannon.
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0 #15 St Nick 2012-03-05 08:27
This loss had nothing to do with goaltending, Lehner played fine in that game it was our lack of effort & compete level that went missing after the first period. And what is up with both Karlsson & Spezza? Both looked frustrated, both took bad penalties & neither had a shot on net.

If you think this was a tough game wait until the playoffs where you will be targeted on every shift. If Spezza wants to be a leader on this team & the next captain he needs to grow up & smarten the hell up, after nine yrs you would think he would get it by now.
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0 #16 novascotian 2012-03-05 08:31
Quoting Ottawa23:
Bobby Butler = Ryan Shannon.


Except slower,worse defensively, bigger, better shot, more potential, and less likely to reach his potential
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-1 #17 patrick 2.0 2012-03-05 08:33
Lehner's doing great...we couldn't ask for a better backup while Andy's hurt. I'm curious what they will do about the Lehner/Bishop situation. Lehner doesn't deserve to be sent down, the team really played horrible after the first and let him out to dry (even more so vs the hawks...I was so mad at the players after that game, Lehner was the ONLY reason that game was close).

O'Brien & Klink have impressed me as well. team has to wake up though and we can't rely on Karlsson/Spezza to score every goal...
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+1 #18 boom 2012-03-05 08:41
Quoting St Nick:
This loss had nothing to do with goaltending, Lehner played fine in that game it was our lack of effort & compete level that went missing after the first period. And what is up with both Karlsson & Spezza? Both looked frustrated, both took bad penalties & neither had a shot on net.

If you think this was a tough game wait until the playoffs where you will be targeted on every shift. If Spezza wants to be a leader on this team & the next captain he needs to grow up & smarten the hell up, after nine yrs you would think he would get it by now.

I would normally agree in full, and be the first one on here criticizing Spezza. To be fair though, Spezza and Karlsson have beem carrying this team, offensively, all year. I'm a huge Turris fan, but his line has to get it going, to give the Spezza line some room. I see signs of Turris coming out of his funk, and if that happens, i think the whole team benefits, especially Spezza.
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-1 #19 jakester 2012-03-05 08:46
Tampa has been on a winning streak since they got LEE. Not too crazy about Gilroy to date. I think we need Gryba with (cough-swallow hard) Phillips on the 3rd pairing. A grittier lineup please. Smith back in the 3rd hole for now. Get Konopka out of the lineup. Smith-Greening- Condra.

Go SENS GO!
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0 #20 Merchaholic 2012-03-05 08:56
Quoting boom:
[quote name="St Nick"]Spezza and Karlsson have beem carrying this team, offensively, all year. I'm a huge Turris fan, but his line has to get it going, to give the Spezza line some room. I see signs of Turris coming out of his funk, and if that happens, i think the whole team benefits, especially Spezza.


I agree. I think this team is going to flourish in the coming years. We've got lots of untapped potential ready to burst. Turris, O'Brien, Hammer, Lehner ect..

I really just hope they snap out of it by Saturday when I'm right behind the Senators net lmao. I might see Bishop in his first or second Sens game! See how he pars.
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+3 #21 No65* 2012-03-05 08:59
I think Turris is about to explode offensively. He is getting good scoring chances every game but just being out of luck. I love his work.

Also, I wonder what MacClean was saying to Alfie after de second period going into the dressing room. Sure didn't look impressed.
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+1 #22 Sentaur 2012-03-05 09:15
I can't believe people are saying to send Lehner down already. CALM DOWN. It's actually good that he loses a few games so management can see how he rebounds after a tough loss. That is what makes an NHL goalie.

Smith benching won't last, as he just needed a wakeup call. I was a Condra fan from the start but his play has dipped bigtime and he definitely needs a seat in the box. The Daug was a hard worker and should come back into the lineup as well.

We aren't a "lock" to make the playoffs, as someone else said but if we can at least maintain .500 hockey we should be ok. A game like last night would have been huge given the Boston and NJ losses though.
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0 #23 383 2012-03-05 09:20
Tough loss last night, really let that one slip away.

Too many penalties killed our mojo. At this point we really have to avoid the 3/4/5 game losing streaks.

Nip this in the bud at 2 and win in Tampa tomorrow.

Agree with taking BB16 out and get Zach back in the lineup.

Why not give Nicky a try on the top line:

MM9-Spezz-Foligno
hammer-Turry-Alfie
JOB-Z Smith-greening
condra-konopka-neil
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0 #24 The Apostle 2012-03-05 09:21
None of the guys who have played the whole season with the big club after also appearing in the Bingo playoffs are playing that well at the moment. I don't think it's a coincidence.

Smith is the easiest one to sit because O'Brien is playing well and we generally have Konopka kicking his heels in the press box.

It might be time to rotate those guys every once in a while. 2 or 3 games off over the next month for each of them isn't going to hurt and it would be good to give some of the bingo guys a little taste of the NHL.
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+2 #25 Mat 2012-03-05 09:39
Those of you complaining about Lehner on this one are completely mental.

This game was lost on 2 fronts. Lack of secondary scoring and stupid penalties.

Karlsson and Spezza are this team's best players but last night, they cost us the game. They looked like sooky little babies taking slashing (Karlsson) and cross checking (Spezza) penalties, especially late in the game. If we have any chances of making ripples in the playoffs, those two are going to need to stay composed, and NOT try to do everything themselves.

As for secondary scoring, man, its hard to defend Butler, Turris, Greening, Condra, Foligno, etc. They are all working hard out there, fighting for pucks, creating chances, just not getting the bounces. New line combinations maybe? What more can MacLean do? Be patient? We'll be out of the playoffs before these guys find any kind of groove...

Right now, O'brien and Klinkhammer are earning their time out there.

ps Solid game by Cowen last night. He's pretty much flown under the radar this year but for a rookie season, its been a solid year. There is great potential here!
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+1 #26 Mat 2012-03-05 09:42
Quoting jakester:
Tampa has been on a winning streak since they got LEE. Not too crazy about Gilroy to date. I think we need Gryba with (cough-swallow hard) Phillips on the 3rd pairing. A grittier lineup please. Smith back in the 3rd hole for now. Get Konopka out of the lineup. Smith-Greening-Condra.

Go SENS GO!


Philips is playing well. Sad that you can't see it. But I agree, get Kanopka out and put Smith back in. And make sure he's centring the line you got written down... Greening and Condra are the wingers.
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0 #27 Tookie 2012-03-05 09:43
Quoting No65*:
I think Turris is about to explode offensively. He is getting good scoring chances every game but just being out of luck. I love his work.


You've been saying that for 20 games now?? LMAO!!
How many games does he need to get out of his slump. It was the same in Phoenix, all work but no results, maybe now we know why Phoenix were ok with trading him. Inconsistent.

I dont care how hard you work, you have to put the puck in the net eventually, especially being our 2nd line centre...
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0 #28 jakester 2012-03-05 10:02
No offense but Phillips had a few f-ups last night. + didn't like Spezza's effort - he was lazy took a dumbass penalty(selfish ). Everyone is accountable. They better watchout cuz Buffalo and Tampa are winning and have games in hand. I hope Murray has Bishop on speed dial.
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0 #29 SNOOPY SENIOR 2012-03-05 10:18
Quoting jakester:
No offense but Phillips had a few f-ups last night. + didn't like Spezza's effort - he was lazy took a dumbass penalty(selfish). Everyone is accountable. They better watchout cuz Buffalo and Tampa are winning and have games in hand. I hope Murray has Bishop on speed dial.


Agree with your take on our lousy play along with stupid
penalties taken by Spezza and Karlsson !

But I believe that MacLean decides on who he calls up, and ultimately who he sits out !!
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-1 #30 Tookie 2012-03-05 10:21
Ottawa not in a good spot right now, sure were in 7th with 76pts but do we really want to be 7th or 8th, ouch, thats Boston or NYR first round....ouch.

5th and 6th are only a total of 3pts away but both NJ and PHI have 2-3 games in hand on us.

WIN, WSH, TB and BUFF also have games in hand and are closing in on us. The playoffs are FAR from locked in, whoever said that must live under a rock?

Who do you want to face in the first round, IMO, not BOS or NYR, nor PIT, they are playoff built teams with very strong goaltending and can light the lamp!!

Either FLA or PHI I think we match up the best against, yes the Panthers beat us last game but in a 7 games series It hink we could take em, would be tough games tho. And Philly, yeah they got Giroux, Jagr, Hartnell and all that scoring but their D is weak (no Pronger) and their goalie's are mistakes waiting to happen!

Or IF we somehow pass the Bruins and end up in 2nd, I wouldnt mind WIN, TB or WSH or more probably NJ, I think Brodeur is on his last straw!
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0 #31 miguel 2012-03-05 10:27
Our Defense in the past few games has been back to horrible again.
our D was looking great in the last few games we had Lee in the lineup...
ever since the trade our D again looks lost... great Goaltending agains Boston squeaked us a win... horrible game against Chicago, only saved by goaltending again.
Last night in Fla, again terrible defense.
Tampa I believe has not lost with Lee in the lineup.
If my numbers are correct, I think that he has won the last 15 games that he has been a start in... coincidence ... maybe, but he is definitely playing great hockey
I did not like the way Lee was treated, and even worse, once he starts to play like a first round pick, he is traded.
Have not seen any value in Gilroy, in fact he is the poor mans Chris Campoli
Terrible trade at the wrong time of the year...IMO only
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-1 #32 sharmarke 2012-03-05 10:29
Quoting Tookie19:
Ottawa not in a good spot right now, sure were in 7th with 76pts but do we really want to be 7th or 8th, ouch, thats Boston or NYR first round....ouch.

5th and 6th are only a total of 3pts away but both NJ and PHI have 2-3 games in hand on us.

WIN, WSH, TB and BUFF also have games in hand and are closing in on us. The playoffs are FAR from locked in, whoever said that must live under a rock?

Who do you want to face in the first round, IMO, not BOS or NYR, nor PIT, they are playoff built teams with very strong goaltending and can light the lamp!!

Either FLA or PHI I think we match up the best against, yes the Panthers beat us last game but in a 7 games series It hink we could take em, would be tough games tho. And Philly, yeah they got Giroux, Jagr, Hartnell and all that scoring but their D is weak (no Pronger) and their goalie's are mistakes waiting to happen!

Or IF we somehow pass the Bruins and end up in 2nd, I wouldnt mind WIN, TB or WSH or more probably NJ, I think Brodeur is on his last straw!



I'd rather play Boston. We play better as heavy underdogs
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+4 #33 IcySurfas 2012-03-05 10:35
Here is an update of my “Who’s that Ref!” Report. I originally posted this after the All-Star game...heres an update with all games to date.

List in Order of "Most Losses to Most Wins and Everything inbetween - (Info courtesy of NHL.com boxscores)

Ghislain Hebert ( 4 losses )
Rob Martell ( 4 losses, 1 win )
Marc Joannette ( 4 losses, 1 win )
Stephane Walkom ( 4 losses, 1 win )

Kelly Sutherland ( 3 losses )
Tom Kowal ( 3 losses, 1 win )
Mike Hasenfratz ( 3 losses, 1 win )
Greg Kimmerly ( 3 losses, 1 win )
Dan O'Rourke ( 3 losses, 2 wins )
Dean Morton ( 3 losses, 2 wins )
Dan O'Halloran ( 3 losses, 2 wins )
Tim Peel (3 losses, 2 wins )
Paul Devorski ( 3 losses, 2 wins )
Kevin Pollack ( 3 losses, 3 wins )
Frederick L'Ecuyer ( 2 losses, 2 wins )
Eric Furlatt ( 2 wins, 2 losses )
Steve Kozari ( 2 Wins, 2 losses )
Kyle Rehman ( 2 wins, 2 losses )
Chris Rooney ( 2 wins, 1 loss )
Denis LaRue ( 2 wins, 1 loss )
Wes McCauley ( 2 wins, 1 loss )
Ian Walsh ( 2 wins, 1 loss )
Gord Dwyer ( 2 wins, 1 loss )
Justin St Pierre ( 3 wins, 2 losses )
Stephane Auger ( 3 wins, 1 loss )
Brad Watson ( 3 wins, 1 loss )
Mike Leggo ( 4 wins, 2 loses )

Don VanMassenhoven ( 3 wins )
Francis Charron ( 3 wins )
Chris Lee ( 4 wins )
Dave Jackson ( 4 wins )

As I mentioned last time I posted this, I am not suggesting that games are "fixed" or that officiating will always decide a game. I am merely throwing this info out for you all to make your own observations about it.

*Will update this again at end of season*
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0 #34 Tookie 2012-03-05 10:38
Quoting sharmarke:
Quoting Tookie19:
Ottawa not in a good spot right now, sure were in 7th with 76pts but do we really want to be 7th or 8th, ouch, thats Boston or NYR first round....ouch.

5th and 6th are only a total of 3pts away but both NJ and PHI have 2-3 games in hand on us.

WIN, WSH, TB and BUFF also have games in hand and are closing in on us. The playoffs are FAR from locked in, whoever said that must live under a rock?

Who do you want to face in the first round, IMO, not BOS or NYR, nor PIT, they are playoff built teams with very strong goaltending and can light the lamp!!

Either FLA or PHI I think we match up the best against, yes the Panthers beat us last game but in a 7 games series It hink we could take em, would be tough games tho. And Philly, yeah they got Giroux, Jagr, Hartnell and all that scoring but their D is weak (no Pronger) and their goalie's are mistakes waiting to happen!

Or IF we somehow pass the Bruins and end up in 2nd, I wouldnt mind WIN, TB or WSH or more probably NJ, I think Brodeur is on his last straw!



I'd rather play Boston. We play better as heavy underdogs


We barley beat them once...I dont call that playing better as heavy underdogs. In a 7 game series how many shutouts do you think we can pull off like that, how many games can we play insane shutdown hockey against the most physical team in the league, I mean come on there's being positive but what your saying is dellusional...

IF we beat them soundly in our last game vs them then I might consider a match up with Boston but then again that would only be 2 wins in 6 games, thats a 4-2 series win for Boston, probably very similar to what would happen to us if we played them first round.
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-1 #35 Tookie 2012-03-05 11:01
Also SC you mentioned you wouldnt be surprised if Karlsson got suspended for that wicked slash.

Any news on that front SC? I was thinking maybe 1-2 games?
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+1 #36 No65* 2012-03-05 11:04
Who cares where we finish as long as we are in the playoffs. Anything can happen. You could tell last night that it would be a shitty night when all the passes are bouncing all over the place.

You could also tell that the Panthers game plan was to stick to Karlsson and Spezza everytime they had the puck. The kid had no places to go last night and that's the reason he was so frustrated.

Will we witness round 2 of Karlsson vs St-Louis tomorrow night? Remember how St-Louis was frustrated at Karlsson last game.

Go SENS Go
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+1 #37 SensChirp 2012-03-05 11:06
Quoting Tookie19:
Also SC you mentioned you wouldnt be surprised if Karlsson got suspended for that wicked slash.

Any news on that front SC? I was thinking maybe 1-2 games?

Nothing yet this morning which is a good sign.
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+2 #38 MethotToMyMadness 2012-03-05 11:07
Hey Folks

What a weekend, not the best in memory as a Sens fan. While we are still sitting in a good position and playoff bound, the boys need to tighten the skates a little and get back to playing fun hockey. It's amazing how the team does a complete 360 like that, you could easily put a different jersey on them and never know who they were. But, that aside... it's only a matter of time before they right the ship.

One thing I brought up last week, when our top guys are firing, we're a hard team to beat. But in saying that, it's also our weakness. We NEED our top guys firing. Florida had 1 system in place, keep Spezza and Karlsson from taking shots or making plays. Everytime they had the puck, they were swarmed and even without it, they had someone on them like glue which resulted in many turn overs and eventual goals. EK had maybe 1 or 2 opportunities inside the blue line but even then, didn't have enough time to unload or do anything creative. Neither of them got an official shot on goal Sunday. Right now, that's the one plan a team needs against us, and they were spot on. Another note, Alfie wasn't noticable and only registered 1 shot. That's also a problem.

We will need to have a counter system for this, cause you can be damn sure teams have picked up on it and come playoffs, it's a major red flag.

I'm not for Lehner being sent down. BUT... I would like to see Bishop get a shot. It wouldn't be a bad thing to bring him up and give him the game tomorrow. Sometimes a change likt that can rally a team and bring them together. There is something to be said for a Goalie getting his 1st game with his new club. I think a move like that for tomorrows game would be a great way to change the mindset.

Time to get back in the 'W' Column. Go Sens Go!!!
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0 #39 SNOOPY SENIOR 2012-03-05 11:27
[quote name="madpajamm a"]Hey Folks

What a weekend, not the best in memory as a Sens fan. While we are still sitting in a good position and playoff bound, the boys need to tighten the skates a little and get back to playing fun hockey.

One thing I brought up last week, when our top guys are firing, we're a hard team to beat. But in saying that, it's also our weakness. We NEED our top guys firing. Florida had 1 system in place, keep Spezza and Karlsson from taking shots or making plays. Everytime they had the puck, they were swarmed and even without it, they had someone on them like glue which resulted in many turn overs and eventual goals. EK had maybe 1 or 2 opportunities inside the blue line but even then, didn't have enough time to unload or do anything creative. Neither of them got an official shot on goal Sunday. Right now, that's the one plan a team needs against us, and they were spot on. Another note, Alfie wasn't noticable and only registered 1 shot. That's also a problem.

We will need to have a counter system for this, cause you can be damn sure teams have picked up on it and come playoffs, it's a major red flag.

I'm not for Lehner being sent down. BUT... I would like to see Bishop get a shot. It wouldn't be a bad thing to bring him up and give him the game tomorrow.

@ madpyjama,

Do not think that Bishop will be called up for Tampa game on Tuesday night.

Lehner will get this game with Auld as the backup.

Should the Sens lose this game, it will be 3 losses in a row. This might force MacLean to use Bishop in the Thursday night game vs the Rangers in Ottawa.

Let's see what develops vs the Lightning !!
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+4 #40 IcySurfas 2012-03-05 11:28
Sens holding down 7th place with 76 points. Winnipeg holding down 8th with 70 points.

After that, it’s mosh pit! With Buffalo and Tampa flying lately, both of them are only 2 points back of 8th place with 68 points each. Throw in the Caps with 69, and even Toronto with 67, and it’s going to be a dog fight with those teams looking at those bottom playoff spots.

No point in dwelling on the past, but those Chicago and Florida losses this weekend were 4 points that would have given us an awesome (potential 10 point) cushion against 8th place, and all the wolves close behind it! (Tampa, Caps, Lafs, and Sabres).

Sens need to shake off those last 2 losses, and put together a couple of Wins right now! Especially with a game each against the high-flying Tampa and Buffalo squads this week.

We could find ourselves in a very different position by weeks-end if we keep loosing and the teams below us keep flying.

Time is now Sens fans!
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+3 #41 IcySurfas 2012-03-05 11:38
I think Karlsson has had a lot of attention on him lately with his high scoring pace lately and all the Norris trophy talk and lets remember hes young so this attention might be throwing him off his game.

I have a theory that he was not comfortable with the shitty ice conditions last night, moreso than any other player... and he got frustrated with his game. Plus he just seemed to be trying too much.

I for one will give him a mulligan and move on. Im sure the coaching staff will talk to him and say "cool the fuck out..its only 1 game...lets get back to basics". Hopefully we see a turn-around in his game for tomorrow.
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0 #42 simple jack 2012-03-05 11:45
I would like to see some changes in the linup,

Go back to what was working

Greening spezza michalek
Foligno turris alfredson
Then
Klinkhammer smith neil
Daugavins obrien konopka
Sit out butler, condra for a few games again.
Line 3 is nails

Defence
Kuba karlsson
Gonchar philips
Cowen gilroy
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+2 #43 miguel 2012-03-05 11:45
I have to agree with many posts that we again are becoming a one trick pony type of team.

Shut down Spezza, Alfie, Karlsson you will beat Ottawa.

Yes I love Turris, but at some point the potential, must turn into numbers, after all he is playing with Alfie.

Foligno, needs better players to play with,

Condra, Butler, Smith, Greening have to to get off the shnide and start to deliver, perhaps put them all on one line and tell them to buck up, or they will be the next ones to sit,

And someone please wake up Gonchar, he is the next one to sit in my opinion, he really brings nothing
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+1 #44 Illdistrict 2012-03-05 12:02
Foligno needs better players? He doesn't pass, he drives the wing, and never gets a shot off. He' not playing basic hockey, he should be dog skating on the 3rd / 4th line.

I liked Klinkhammer last night. I wouldn't mind seeing Speez-9MM-Alfie on one line, Klink-Turris-Gr eening on the other.

I understand why Smith is out of the lineup, he looks uninterested.. but don't see why he would pull Daug out of the lineup, he was playing fine.
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0 #45 Tookie 2012-03-05 12:03
Its gonna be tough to watch if our D plays like that again vs a surging Stammer...closi ng in on 50 goals!!
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+2 #46 Sandy 2012-03-05 12:11
Karlsson & Spezza were frustrated with the close checking by the Panthers... some slashes/holding that were not called by the refs. Retaliation by both EK & Spezz cost this team for 3 penalties.

I'm sure other teams are going to make note of how the Panthers shut down the Sens by controlling those 2 players and it worked. EK & Spezz have to be in control with both their game play and their tempers.

The next 3 games are against Tampa, Rangers & Buffalo.. that's 3 very tough games. Tampa & Buffalo are now playing like everyone thought they would at the beginning of the season.. and the Rangers are 1st overall in the NHL I believe... So if it's 3 more losses... the Sens are in trouble.

Winn/Buff play tonight against each other.. that is a key game.

Read in the Ottawa Sun that the Sens are pondering what to do with Mika. His season ends tomorrow. Do they burn the first yr of his ELC or do they sign him to an amateur tryout in Binghamton? I actually like the 2nd option. Gets him in about 15 games playing on most likely the top line and important minutes... would probably do a lot for his adjustment to the small ice.

Any other thoughts?
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0 #47 miguel 2012-03-05 12:11
Quoting Illdistrict:
Foligno needs better players? He doesn't pass, he drives the wing, and never gets a shot off. He' not playing basic hockey, he should be dog skating on the 3rd / 4th line.

I liked Klinkhammer last night. I wouldn't mind seeing Speez-9MM-Alfie on one line, Klink-Turris-Greening on the other.

I understand why Smith is out of the lineup, he looks uninterested.. but don't see why he would pull Daug out of the lineup, he was playing fine.


Turris and Alfie were doing well with Foligno/Condra, and then have had all sorts of different wingers on that line.

Greening just does not seem to fit that line at all, and I did not see much of Klinker in lasts nights game.

Really suprised by the flat 2nd and 3rd periods though
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+2 #48 Charlie2001 2012-03-05 12:13
I can't believe McLean missed the opportunity to bench Karlsson for the last 4 or 5 minutes of the third period after his back to back selfish penalties. Seeing Dale Hunter bench Ovechkin for the 2nd period the other night after a selfish penalty was something McLean should have done 100% with Karlsson last night!! Then he lets the Florida forward blow by him and not even try to slow him down on the 4th goal, disgusting!!
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+2 #49 MethotToMyMadness 2012-03-05 12:17
Quoting Sandy:
Karlsson & Spezza were frustrated with the close checking by the Panthers... some slashes/holding that were not called by the refs. Retaliation by both EK & Spezz cost this team for 3 penalties.

I'm sure other teams are going to make note of how the Panthers shut down the Sens by controlling those 2 players and it worked. EK & Spezz have to be in control with both their game play and their tempers.

The next 3 games are against Tampa, Rangers & Buffalo.. that's 3 very tough games. Tampa & Buffalo are now playing like everyone thought they would at the beginning of the season.. and the Rangers are 1st overall in the NHL I believe... So if it's 3 more losses... the Sens are in trouble.

Winn/Buff play tonight against each other.. that is a key game.

Read in the Ottawa Sun that the Sens are pondering what to do with Mika. His season ends tomorrow. Do they burn the first yr of his ELC or do they sign him to an amateur tryout in Binghamton? I actually like the 2nd option. Gets him in about 15 games playing on most likely the top line and important minutes... would probably do a lot for his adjustment to the small ice.

Any other thoughts?


Option 2 for sure, gets him back on the ice ASAP and helps Bingo out, as they are limited in the lineup. That group is rallying about some big Wins thanks to Bishop, it would be a great test for Mika.
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-1 #50 SwedishSens 2012-03-05 12:36
Quoting Sandy:
Karlsson & Spezza were frustrated with the close checking by the Panthers... some slashes/holding that were not called by the refs. Retaliation by both EK & Spezz cost this team for 3 penalties.

I'm sure other teams are going to make note of how the Panthers shut down the Sens by controlling those 2 players and it worked. EK & Spezz have to be in control with both their game play and their tempers.

The next 3 games are against Tampa, Rangers & Buffalo.. that's 3 very tough games. Tampa & Buffalo are now playing like everyone thought they would at the beginning of the season.. and the Rangers are 1st overall in the NHL I believe... So if it's 3 more losses... the Sens are in trouble.

Winn/Buff play tonight against each other.. that is a key game.

Read in the Ottawa Sun that the Sens are pondering what to do with Mika. His season ends tomorrow. Do they burn the first yr of his ELC or do they sign him to an amateur tryout in Binghamton? I actually like the 2nd option. Gets him in about 15 games playing on most likely the top line and important minutes... would probably do a lot for his adjustment to the small ice.

Any other thoughts?


If that's a option get Mika in Ottawa ASAP !!
Experience would be huge for Mika

What about Fredrik Clausson?? Stay at home dmen Left shot position player
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-2 #51 Canucnik 2012-03-05 12:55
The second goal, the break away goal was horse poo, I have scored this goal (on a pro goal tender) it's a fluke. You fake the shot but the goalie has forced you too wide and too deep. You are shooting accross your body at about 6" of top corner as you are almost on the goal line. The "Florida Checker?" made the shot!

First goal, a pop deflection no less.

Third goal, a power play, Alfie has a 50/50 shot to deflect it away, normally Alf is gold in that situation.

Good goal tenders get jumpy on really bad ice...it brings too much luck into the game. The way I see it the "Rock Star" gets one more game!
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0 #52 Tookie 2012-03-05 13:01
IF the season ended today, thank God it doesnt!

http://www.nhl.com/ice/standings.htm?type=PLA
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+1 #53 The Apostle 2012-03-05 13:06
Quoting Sandy:

Read in the Ottawa Sun that the Sens are pondering what to do with Mika. His season ends tomorrow. Do they burn the first yr of his ELC or do they sign him to an amateur tryout in Binghamton? I actually like the 2nd option. Gets him in about 15 games playing on most likely the top line and important minutes... would probably do a lot for his adjustment to the small ice.

Any other thoughts?


I was ambivalent about the original decision to send Zbad back to Sweden. If he had proved he was worth keeping after those 9 games and they burned a contract year I would have understood keeping him here, he didn't and I understood why they sent him back.

To bring him back to play in Ottawa and burn a year now seems pretty pointless. He's not going to get big minutes and he isn't going to significantly add anything or get a vast amount of experience.

Bringing him back to Bingo, however seems to make a lot of sense. Different ice size, arguably more physical game, he can play on the first two lines and log decent minutes and PP time.
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0 #54 SensChirp 2012-03-05 13:14
The latest prospect report.

http://senators.nhl.com/v2/ext/PDFs/Prospect_Update-030512.pdf
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0 #55 IcySurfas 2012-03-05 13:26
Quick question....doe sn't Ottawa have to send Lehner back to Bingo if they try out Bishop for a game? I was under the impression that any team can't have 3 active (healthy) goalies on their roster for game night? They would have to waive Auld to attempt to send him down to Bingo (I believe..) but I just don't see the team wanting to go throw all those steps just to bring Bishop up for a try-out. Maybe they will. Meh.

Probably just easier to send Lehner back, and then call-him up again after the Bishop audition, if nessessary.

Maybe Im just overthinking it.
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0 #56 patrick 2.0 2012-03-05 13:26
Pageau, Noessen, Prince, Stone, Silfvberg, Puemple...all looking good :D :D :D (probably butchered spelling on a few of those ;)

already excited for next year as well!!!
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0 #57 Sandy 2012-03-05 13:27
Quoting FAIL4NAIL:
Quoting Sandy:
Karlsson & Spezza were frustrated with the close checking by the Panthers... some slashes/holding that were not called by the refs. Retaliation by both EK & Spezz cost this team for 3 penalties.

I'm sure other teams are going to make note of how the Panthers shut down the Sens by controlling those 2 players and it worked. EK & Spezz have to be in control with both their game play and their tempers.

The next 3 games are against Tampa, Rangers & Buffalo.. that's 3 very tough games. Tampa & Buffalo are now playing like everyone thought they would at the beginning of the season.. and the Rangers are 1st overall in the NHL I believe... So if it's 3 more losses... the Sens are in trouble.

Winn/Buff play tonight against each other.. that is a key game.

Read in the Ottawa Sun that the Sens are pondering what to do with Mika. His season ends tomorrow. Do they burn the first yr of his ELC or do they sign him to an amateur tryout in Binghamton? I actually like the 2nd option. Gets him in about 15 games playing on most likely the top line and important minutes... would probably do a lot for his adjustment to the small ice.

Any other thoughts?


If that's a option get Mika in Ottawa ASAP !!
Experience would be huge for Mika

What about Fredrik Clausson?? Stay at home dmen Left shot position player


Forgot about him. He is on the same team as Mika correct? Has he signed an ELC with the Sens.. or do they consider an amateur try-out for him as well? He had a pretty good world junior.... and from what I understand Bingo needs D help.
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0 #58 SwedishSens 2012-03-05 13:58
Quoting Sandy:
Quoting FAIL4NAIL:
Quoting Sandy:
Karlsson & Spezza were frustrated with the close checking by the Panthers... some slashes/holding that were not called by the refs. Retaliation by both EK & Spezz cost this team for 3 penalties.

I'm sure other teams are going to make note of how the Panthers shut down the Sens by controlling those 2 players and it worked. EK & Spezz have to be in control with both their game play and their tempers.

The next 3 games are against Tampa, Rangers & Buffalo.. that's 3 very tough games. Tampa & Buffalo are now playing like everyone thought they would at the beginning of the season.. and the Rangers are 1st overall in the NHL I believe... So if it's 3 more losses... the Sens are in trouble.

Winn/Buff play tonight against each other.. that is a key game.

Read in the Ottawa Sun that the Sens are pondering what to do with Mika. His season ends tomorrow. Do they burn the first yr of his ELC or do they sign him to an amateur tryout in Binghamton? I actually like the 2nd option. Gets him in about 15 games playing on most likely the top line and important minutes... would probably do a lot for his adjustment to the small ice.

Any other thoughts?


If that's a option get Mika in Ottawa ASAP !!
Experience would be huge for Mika

What about Fredrik Clausson?? Stay at home dmen Left shot position player


Forgot about him. He is on the same team as Mika correct? Has he signed an ELC with the Sens.. or do they consider an amateur try-out for him as well? He had a pretty good world junior.... and from what I understand Bingo needs D help.


He would have to sign a amateur try out but he should come and play there's nothing left for him in Sweden give Ottawa a solid look at him
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0 #59 thepez 2012-03-05 14:14
Can anybody comment on Michael Sdao, d-man from Princeton? I remember when he was drafted by the Sens with their last pick in 2009. There were comments made by scouts in the media that this could be a diamond in the rough. He is 6-4 and 230lbs. I saw his stats that have him scoring 20 points in 30 games and he seems to like the rough stuff. Since the Princeton season is over and he is a junior, I wonder if he will come out early and get a look in Bingo?
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0 #60 jakester 2012-03-05 14:19
Who cares about burning a year - If Zibby can join the SENS now it would be GOLDEN!
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0 #61 No65* 2012-03-05 15:27
The last time Turris & Alfie had success is when Foligno was on their line. He was doing the hard work retrieving pucks along the board. Coach MacClean should try that again. It did not work well with Condra or Greening. Put Greening back with Spezza and Milan and get Foligno where he belong on the second line.
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0 #62 Ty19 2012-03-06 01:03
Foligno is useless get that through your heads
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