In Gilroy, the Sens add a Hobey Baker winner and a player that will fit in nicely with the puck moving system put in place by Paul MacLean. He is a strong skater and distributes the puck well, putting up 17 points in 53 games this season. Chris Phillips has been taking a regular shift on the power play lately but you would think that Gilroy gets a look on the second power play unit at some point.
Brian Lee has played much better of late and had become a lucky charm of sorts for the organization.
But the fact is Brian Lee never really fit in with this organization and was always the first guy to come out of the line up despite his improved play. Lee never lived up to the billing of being a high first round pick and he'll have a chance to resurrect his career in Tampa Bay.
Gilroy is an unrestricted free agent at the end of the season and Bryan Murray has already indicated that the Sens will consider bringing him back into the fold. The stretch run will give the Senators a chance to see what they have in Gilroy and make a decision on where he fits in moving forward.
While there is a tendency to look at deadline day as a pivotal point for GMs, Bryan Murray made his moves throughout the season. He added Kyle Turris to fill a void at centre ice, he addressed a lack of goaltending depth in the organization by picking up Ben Bishop and he acquired another puck moving defenceman in Matt Gilroy.
So this is it folks, this is the roster the Ottawa Senators will head down the stretch with. What do you think? Do you like the moves Murray made (or did not make) this season?
- Ben Bishop, acquired on Sunday for a 2013 2nd round pick, will head to Binghamton for the time being. Murray suggested that he expects Bishop will get into a game some time next week. Murray also hinted that Robin Lehner will likely get the start tomorrow in Boston.
- It should not come as a big surprise but the league named the red hot Erik Karlsson as the league's first star for last week.
- Thanks to everyone that joined in today's live blog here on SensChirp. We had more than 1,400 readers at the busiest point and reads contributed more than 2,000 comments over the course of the day. Special thanks to TrueSensFan for helping with the comment moderation!
Class act
Sad to see Lee not work out (ohhhh Mark Staal, how you would have thrived here) but a decent trade
Bishop trade was a STEAL!!!
Konopka staying put for depth, though I hope oBrien keeps taking his spot in the lineup, guy hits way more.
Go Sens Go. Can't wait to be watching playoff hockey
Love this team! And Lovin' this season!
GO SENS GO!
These are 2 players entering their prime and another player (Turris) who is still a couple years away.
With Gilroy Ottawa gets some flexibility on the blueline to either sign Kuba/Trade Gonchar, or keep Gonchar and let Kuba walk.
With Ottawa holding only 1 pick in the top 80 in this years draft, I'm excited to see what Bryan Murray has in store for the offseason
on a side note WTH was Vancouver thinking giving away Hodgson?
Totally agree with you about the 2nd PP defensive unit.
It's weird but that's one glaring hole I felt we've had all season, especially during our losing streak. I Really feel like BM again, (Turris/Bishop) made a good "hockey trade".
Give up good player or a player currently playing well to get good player.
Really looking forward to the D PP pairings to look something like this:
EK-Gonch
Gilroy-Kuba
Love the Big Rig, but a PP specialist, he is not.
Go Sens Go!!
Bring this baby home!!!!
Yes, possibly later this week or next week. They're keeping him warm in the AHL for now, while assessing him and figuring out what to do with Auld/Lehner.
It's just like the Naslund and Alex Stojanov trade. I think it will end up like that as well.
Kuba Karlsson
Cowen Gilroy
Philips Gonchar
Also hope Lehner puts on a show tomorrow night !!!!!
According to Murray, Bishop will be going to Binghamton to play.
Which means that since Lehner will start in Boston, the backup will be Auld.
Hope Lehner plays and stings the Bruins with a shutout !!
GO SENS GO !!!!!!!!!!!!!
??? Gilroy is a Dman.
If you want to see a couple of early snapshot videos of Matt Gilroy, check out this YouTube video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzIwpN8ZAaQ&feature=fvst
or
search
"Matt Gilroy Tribute #97" on YouTube.
Looks promising...
Bryan is throwing curve balls at all his goal tenders...Ben thought he was coming to end the season in the "Show" after he signed his one way contract for next year...because he say how his two way worked last year when he beat out Elliott and was then sent down for the full year no recall...Robin was told he was the de facto back up for "Andy" this year and would get a number of games in the NHL...now he is being told that he will have to beat out a guy on a one contract for the back up job next year (chances of the maybe one in a hundred especially if you make more than the other guy)...let's hope the Bishop is better than the Pope because the "Rock Star" is out of here!
Oh senior citizen lol Bishop to bingo Gilroy too Boston ..keep up
Bryan said it was going to be a competition for backup -- so whoever plays the best gets it... plain & simple.
Bishop has more AHL experience... BUT he has not had the success of Lehner who has played almost 2 AHL seasons. Not too many 20 yr olds make the NHL after 1 or 2 seasons in the AHL... but you never know.
Bishop was brought in for depth if another goaltender got injured... he wasn't brought in to slight Lehner.
We don't know exactly that Robin was promised anything -- was it ever made public? He has not had a good season in the AHL -- does he need a bit more maturity?
You didn't steal anything...you just lost the best goal tending prospect in Ottawa since "Legs" Frazer...and with him your shot at Stanley!
to be honest that tribute video is mediocre not very many highlights, but im not saying im disappointed we have him or anything i hope he'll be a good player for us but i just have flash backs or rundblads video lol
You are missing the point, Ben Bishop has a one way NHL contract...he beat out both Halak and Elliott in training camp and was sent down...this is not the merit principle, this is contracting to play in one league or both what ever you deal says.
Nobody except Bryan can see this conflict coming...trust me, Robin is out of here next fall. Does he think the Big Guy is that dumb!
for a moment today I had thought the bruins had traded corvo for Zanon because they know Corvo is a chicken and he would make the bruins look like chickens too...but i guess the Bruins are not that smart yet.
my bet is that Chris Neil takes out another Boston d-man tomorrow lol....i think Neil on a personal level has had enough of losing to Boston and is now left to his 'own' tools ....his first step was to take 1/2 of Boston's top D pairing. Second step is to take out Boston's 7th defenseman: Joe Corvo. LOL
Chirp, was ever in on Parenteau at all today or was he just very comfortable with what we had?
And lol! Glad I was wrong on Penner....:)
My bad on Gilroy, and it has been corrected !!
I disagree. I think Vancouver wins this trade. Kassian is an amazing addition for Vancouver heading into the playoffs and in a couple years will dominate like Lucic. Plus they got a really good, young offensive puck moving defensemen. I like the trade alot for both teams but if Vancouver wins the cup this year it will be because of this trade. So today, for me, they get the edge.
k dude, calm down. last i check the rights to Lehner are owned by the senators till the end of 2014 when he becomes RFA. Lehner is the sens goalie baby and he will stay so until something really crazy happens. All Ottawa has done is that got a tradeable asset in their hands in Bishop to provide insurance against Lehner not panning out. THAT IS ALL. and IT WAS SAID SO TOO.
the scenario was played out Saturday night and the optics of the result were damning that with Anderson out, and a lacklustre backup in Auld in, Ottawa was pretty much a cooked meal for most teams. Since Lehner has had a not so spectacular season in Bingo and clearly has not lived up to expectation for this year, BM did what any smart GM would do - get insurance. and trust me this is the best form of insurance Ottawa could have got. This guy basically insulates Ottawa if Lehner does not pan out. So in essence, this will push Lehner to be what he can be, to be what he knows he can be. and hey he is getting the start tomorrow too.
Right now, the only person with more questions about his future would be Bishop because he just got traded thinking he would play in the NHL right away but is back in the AHL with no guarantee of a full time NHL job next year. Sounds just like the boat Lehner is in.
Lehner is 20 and he is going to have to get along here. and its in his own benefit because if he thinks he can be starter on some other team, he is mistaken.
I think with Corvo already stating he's going to go after Turris and Neil being a marked man. My guess is Carkner will dress tomorrow night.
Lee was a good soldier and he was finally starting to come into his own, but he was also easily replaceable and very forgettable.
Murray actually has 3 picks in the top 90. He still has his own 3rd and Nashvilles 3rd to go with his 1st for this coming draft.
We are dealing with a "Rock Star" here...why do you think he changed his mind and sent Ben back down he was supposed to come to Ottawa.
Robin is a two year, 80 games not 50 games pro (as my GM stated) with an MVP season. He has no chance against the one way contract next year and probably the year after that. This kid is not chopped liver, every one will be in his ear including his agent. I have been around goalies all my life, I am the product of a very good pro goalie, the ego requirred to play this position will not let him, Robin, be treated this way!
hate to say it but if your comments ring true then Lehner is well deserved for another year in AHL because thats a total non-team, non-organizatio nal strategy attitude. Lehner is good, but he is not bigger than the organization or the team here. He knows his ceiling and so does Bryan Murray. Lehner's agent does not need to chime in about that, thank you very much. Ottawa has seen its fair share of Rock Stars on all ends of the ice, what have you with prima donnas like Heatley and Emery.
I think you are blowing this up too much over here. I think, Lehner's situation is a little complicated because he did help Bingo win the Calder last year and by the looks of it is close to NHL ready, but I think he himself will admit that he has regressed from where he was in training camp. the factors are multiple: personal motivation, injuries, the team being crap etc. etc.
I think Lehner, if he hasnt already should see the big picture here and realize that the sens management is only trying to ensure that they are not in a tough spot when he does make the team full time. Lehner would definitely not enjoy it if he made the team and pooped the bed, because before the Ottawa management can, us fans will let him know about it.
We are in playoff contention and lost Anderson, that left us Lehner Auld and I am not sure if anyone here would argue Auld is not our saviour with Anderson out, nothing against him personally.
So that leaves us Lehner to step up, if either Lehner can't step up or Lehner gets injured also then what, we are screwed thats what, Auld is not going to carry us to playoffs and beyond even if you forget we have no back up even for him if Lehner goes down.
Bishop gives us Lehner and or Bishop to carry us to playoffs and beyond and if one of them gets hurt we have the other and Auld for back up.
If Lehner plays lights out for us until Anderson gets back great, Bishop could be traded in a package for a top forward over the off season and his one way contract does not effect us in any way.
Lehner falls and Bishop picks up and carries us until Anderson gets back we keep Bishop next year as back up and Lehner either goes back to Bingo and get his shit together or he gets traded.
The only way the team gets screwed is if we did not pick up Bishop as a safety.
The only way Lehner gets screwed is if he is not ready yet and plays like crap and has to spend another year in Bingo.
Bishop or Lehner can be sent to Bingo this season so whoever performs stays up.
After this season BM can reflect and decide what to do next year about goalies, he does not have to decide this season. Bishop or Lehner and even Anderson are very tradable.
Worry about next year next year, we have to worry about now, now.
Take it and run Robin its time to soar like an eagle, your time is now!
What you just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I've ever heard; At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that can be considered a rational thought, everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read this; I award you no points and may god have mercy on your soul.
It was fun, and I am glad I could help (my boss may not agree lol)
1.400 was certainly impressive and speaks volumes to respect/appreci ation you deserve but do not always get. Thanks for all the hard work.
Great job on the live blog and hats off to your followers for helping make it so successful and fairly easy to moderate as almost everyone kept it clean and contributed in a positive way.
As a side note, I saw it mentioned today that you would like to get into the iphone/droid space with a senschirp app. and not sure if you saw my comments with all the commotion but I work with a company with direct involvement in that space so hit me up when/if you are ready. I may be able to help.
Kid has had a poor ride here and deserves nothing but the best in his future.
ya its too bad hes 5 9', and 168 pounds...
exactly, and he plays for the best team in the WHL where as stone's team might not even make the playoffs. and that size says it all. hes also in his final year (its normal in the CHL to have 20 year olds dominate the league). another similar player is 5'8 150lbs yanni gourde who leads thw qmjhl with 105points, hes also in his final year
Personally I think that if things work out the way I hope they do, I can see Anderson being traded for a decent return next season and we may have found two goalies for the next few years. I could never understand why the Sens signed Anderson to a four year deal. Don't get me wrong I think Anderson has been very good. But if the plan was to have Lehner as the number one, four years was too long.
There's no way we trade Anderson next year
I think with Corvo already stating he's going to go after Turris and Neil being a marked man. My guess is Carkner will dress tomorrow night.
So if Corvo does anything to Turris tomorrow.. after coming out to say he was.. he is in deep trouble.. especially if he injures him.. Chara fought Neil over the hit so that should be a dead issue.
Ottawa is one of the few teams that stands up to the Bruins in physical play.
Because Anderson said he wanted something long term lol. I remember when Lee signed his one-way, someone in the media asked Murray why did Lee get signed to a one-way and Murray said "because lee wanted a one-way deal" lol. I really like this Gilroy deal though, very happy with Murray. I still wonder what their long term plans are with Bishop though.
So if Corvo does anything to Turris tomorrow.. after coming out to say he was.. he is in deep trouble.. especially if he injures him.. Chara fought Neil over the hit so that should be a dead issue.
Ottawa is one of the few teams that stands up to the Bruins in physical play.
agreed. might want to think about putting konopka in, just because its being hyped to be one very physical game. as long as we dont pull out o'brein, much rather butler sits out.
Can't wait until tomorrow's game. I hope we're treated to a physical and exciting game - with the Sens winning in regulation, of course.
Murray stated he would get some games in the next couple weeks
nope never watched this "hockey" thing you talk about ever.
THANKS MAN
Hamamy...if "Andy" returns...if Robin plays poorly...if Ben asks Bryan for a couple games? Things are going to get interesting in the next couple weeks.
Well do you blame Corvo, he was nailed with an elbow to the head, if anything it is Turris that has to man up. No one can fight his fights for him.
Turris escaped Judge Shanny but he still hit Corvo in the head, Corvo wants revenge.
If Turris doesnt fight (which I think he will anyways) it will give him a hit and run rep through out the league.
Good choice by Turris to elbow the B's smallest and smiliest guy (who I still have a place in my heart for after his one hop playoff goal during the run to the Cup final).
Their players are all too valuable to trade. LOL
Corvo didn't leave the game if he had a beef with the hit he could have fought Turris ..Corvo is a little bitch I hope Turris feeds him ..
I like the Gilroy deal. He only makes our blueline better folks. If he pans out for the next 20 games, then we can resign him, and not for very much. As good as Brian Lee has been the past while, Gilroy is still better.
I love the roster we have going into the playoff push. They're young, hard working, skilfull, fast, hungry, and inexpensive.
What they're not is old, overrated, expensive, and susceptible to being a bust.
You know it, I know it. Robin can be the biggest douchebag in the world for all I care- as long as he brings us the cup, I'll be damn happy to trade him right after (like Niemi leaving CHI). Does it matter really who brings us lord stanley? Chicago waited since 1960 for theirs.. I'd really like to see our Sens win one in my lifetime. Losing in the finals with the way our team was back then still stings. Knowing we were so close, I'd do anything to bring Alfie a cup.
“In my opinion he saw my numbers and took the opportunity to seek revenge for the game prior when we were at home. Hopefully he’s a man and he’ll step up tomorrow when I come after him. I’m not going to try and hurt him, but I want to fight him.”
“I think so. It was a cheap shot. From what I heard I stayed on the ice for a second, but from what I was told he stayed on the ice and acted like he was hurt,” said Corvo. “It was just another indicator he felt like he was wrong and was afraid somebody else was going to going to get him while sticking up for me.”
There u go Nick
Quoting MoeDozer:
He is an overager. He is a year older then Stone (who is a year older then most WHLers himself by the way). I would hope he dominates kids 3 years younger then him.
Why is everyone worried about Corvo? He can only beat up women. Google it if you don't know what I'm talking about.
http://video.thescore.com/watch/rundown-best-of-sens-2011-12
I just learned something new today!
"While playing with the Los Angeles Kings' minor league team in Manchester, N.H., in 2003, defenseman Joe Corvo pleaded guilty to assaulting a woman in a bar in Boston. He was sentenced to 30 hours of community service, 50 hours of anger-managemen t counseling and three years of probation.
Corvo credits the anger-managemen t therapy with helping him deal with bottled-up anger in his personal life and frustration over not making the NHL sooner. Now one of the Kings' regulars, he says, "It was a life-changing experience.""
Didn't Corvo try to duck down.. as he did see him coming I believe. I think Shanahan said if he did not duck the contact would have been shoulder to shoulder. If he was so badly injured as he is claiming.. why no league mandated 15 min assessement... he was out on the PP.
Going through the media with this -- Corvo is really stupid. All he had to do is challenge him.. not blast it through the media... dumb move Mr. Corvo
@ Snoop - Gilroy is not going to Bingo... The problem was, people were asking whether Gilroy (our new d-man) will be playing Boston tomorrow and you answered all about our goalies.
They have been grooming Lehner since they drafted him.... they are going to do what is best for Lehner... If he outplays Bishop he gets the backup role... it's as simple as that. One way contract or not...
Bishop went to the minors with St. Louis because they wanted two experienced goaltenders in their lineup...
I prefer the Wikipedia account
"Corvo was arrested in November 2002 in Boston after he grabbed a 34-year-old woman's buttocks in a restaurant. Restaurant staff told him to leave, but Corvo returned, punched the woman and then kicked her when she fell to the ground, police said. Corvo was given a three-year suspended sentence after he pleaded guilty to assault. Corvo was also suspended for three games by the Kings.[6]"
Douchebag.
Just to let him know he's a tool/moron.
I just read that, I've lost all respect for Corvo now. And that snug look on his face for his mug shot, unreal!
Sounds like he needs a little more "anger-manageme nt therapy" judging by his fighting words for Turris.
Who Gives a Rat's Ass?!
Deep down inside their heads, they want to play, and they want to be a starter. I don't think any lower of Lehner calling out Anderson that he wants to steal the starter job from Anderson, because I know that Bishop is thinking the same thing. Lehner is at least speaking his mind, and is honest. He's like Karlsson — Some people thought he was brash, and cocky, but Murray said, "He's a player that's confident in himself, and in his abilities." I think Lehner's the same way. As far as I know, I don't think Lehner has been pulled over for speeding, DUI, or any excessive partying. So far, he's flown under the radar in public eyes. Opposite of the "Rockstar mentality." (Hell, if I make the money he makes, I'll party like a rockstar all winter long."
Rockstar mentality or not, both our golaies know their jobs, and they're gonna do what they know, to do it.
Whoever management thinks is better, will eventually be the backup, or be labelled as "Goalie of the future."
Think of it this way: If you're a goalie, do you want to be in Auld's shoes, starting less than 10 games in the NHL?
or would you rather play, and be a starter in Bingo, and play 30-40 + games?
I give the edge to the goalie who wants to play in Bingo, because it shows that he wants to play more games, and shows me a "more competitive level mentaility", and wants to prove that he can handle the workload.
Bottom line: Whoever stops more pucks is the better goalie.
Bringing Bishop in is really going to push Lehner to be the best he can be. One of these two will be the goalie of the future. Best case scenario, Lehner and Bishop both become top end goalies and we can trade one of them for a solid player in the future.
The future continues to look more and more bright for the Sens.
Not to pick on anyone in particular because there are similar comments all over the thread, but if Gilroy is so much better than Lee, why was he traded staight up for him?
If Gilroy truly is better than Lee, then something else has to come into play to even out the trade (personal issues, contract demands, etc), right?
Gilroy is a UFA at season end, and will be asking for an increase. TB wanted to get younger and are more patient
Fair point. I am just saying that Gilroy can't be (and isn't IMO) that much better than Lee. Better yes, but in the same category.
Based on TOI/G, Gilroy was TB 5th or 6th D, in the absence of Ohlund (I initially forgot about Kubina). Gilroy averages 17:36 TOIN/G, Lee 14:38. Gilroy barely played the PP in TB, so don't expect a major contribution there. Lee has 73 hits in less ice time. Gilroy has 49 (the same as Karlsson).
Again, better, but not statospheres better.
Bishop is ready for a full time NHL load, he's that capable. If Elliott didn't become God he would be playing in STL right now. Its because Bishop was on STL farm that we are having this discussion. Because on many teams (NYI,PHO,CAL,OT T,TOR,MON,DET,F LA,TB) he is better than one of the options they posess.
So if he was STL backup and got traded to us, we wouldn't think twice about lehner vs bishop since the plan really doesn't change. Let lehner hone is skills in the farm (like bishop did and almost every other goalie prospect safe proce for that matter) and then in a few years we have a real battle on our hands (if bishop doesn't leave for UFA)
Spin it this way our goalies are anderson-Bishop and since Anderson went down we traded for Auld for insurance. Lehner is playing a few game snow because of how injuries worked out, but once Bishoip settles in then Lehner will be sent down to his original team
It's actually what has been posted here again and again.. that most teams ARE going to be in.
Bruins - Rask - Thomas
Buffalo - Miller - Enroth
Colorado - JS Giguere - Varlamov
Hawks - Crawford - Emery
Detroit - Howard - MacDonald
Kings - Bernier - Quick
Wild - Backstrom - Harding
Preds - Rinner - Lindback
Devils - Brodeur Hedberg
Rangers - Hank - Biron
Blues - Halak - Elliot
Canucks - Lou - Schneider
Caps - Vokoun - Neuvirth
SENS - Anderson - Auld *****
Anyone blasting this trade for Bishop really needs to see the bigger picture, and see where the future of goalies in the NHL is going. Having two great goaltenders isn't an option- it's a requirement in today's NHL. Relying on just one is way too risky now.
Getting Bishop from STL was a blessing, no doubt about it. Hell, the fact that St Louis HAD 3 capable goalies is envious in and of itself.
lol
Bishop gives the Senators Options and a healthy challenge for Lehner which he obviously thrives on. Lehner will always be considered our furture, but since when does it hurt to have another stud in the system? Lehner starts this week and Bishop starts in Bingo. But I believe Bishop will be brought up next week and will get an NHL start. If he has a good performance, he'll remain.
I hear more about Gilroy as the hours pass, seems he has the puck moving skills which fit our system and likes to join the rush. As this is how we've played all year, it should be a good addition. Talk of him taking 2nd line PP duty as well will be interesting. No real world on his shot but his assists this year and plus 2 status indicate he has some skills. Let's put it this way, he's above Hedman in all categories with exception to goals, 1 less. I'm not saying he's got more upside than Hedman, or plays against the same competition each night, but it is a positive. But I think we've got a better overall player in Gilroy than Lee. Time will tell.
How about a Windows Phone App as well? Would love this happening!
And its the part bugging me about the Bishop trade (not that I'm complaining)
But doesn't it strike you as odd that STL chose Elliott over Bishop? Sure he has played great this year, but so has Halak, and Elliot has never shown huge promise (late draft pick, floundered in Ottawa and gave Colorado Landeskog) Bishop on the other hand is primed and ready to go.
Bishop gets you a 2nd pick. Wouldn't Elliott get you the same from Columbus or Tbay? And Bishop is younger (I believe)
Probably what I would have donw but oh well
This is not going to be anymore of a scrappy game, turris and corvo may fight, that about it. There is no need to insert carkner back in the line as we saw that he is to slow to keep up with the play.
Give gilroy a chance with cowen and see what happens.
Hopefully ottawa drafts a good goalie this year.
Where do you work TSF, pretty big mobile shop?
Bishop reminds me of Chara. Chara when he came into the league with the Isles was awkward. He developped his craft in Ottawa and became very good after the age of 25. Let's hope that Bishop can become the Chara of goalies.
Are we that distrought and emotionally recked from Emery/Yashin?
Lehner competes, who cares if he tried to fight a linesman to go after the other goalie to support his team. Who cares if he runs his mouth, I would much ratehr a player voice his displeasure about wanting to play etc, then one who just sits back and gets walked all over and ruins his value by sulking and not performing
This decision was actually made early on in the year. With Halak injured, they decided they wanted a more veteran nhl goalie to back him up and be the starter while he was out. Enter Elliott (he is 1.5 years older), who then not only fulfilled the role they required, but fit their system so well he became an all-star.
Bishop is a great prospect, but that's all he is at this point, still unproven at the NHL level.
It seems like a weird choice to us Sens fans who watched Elliott struggle to make routine saves last year, but St Louis appears to believe their time is in the next 2-3 years and figure the tandem of Halak and Elliott gives them the best shot.
In swoops BM acquiring a better goalie than we could have hoped to draft with that pick and the Elliott Karma seems to have worked in our favor!
We will draft a goalie this year, but now it does not have to be considered in the first round. I would be very surprised if one of the 3rd round picks is not a goaltender.
I agree Eliott was a late pick, many goalies are late picks.
Bishop is 25 and will fill our need for the next 2 or 3 years. In 4 years we will not have anderson, and we will have 1 or both of lehner bishop and need another goalie in the farm
continuity is needed, it makes perfect sense to draft a goalie in the 3rd round this year. He will play another year in the CHL/europe. Perhaps 2 then start his seasoning in the AHL. You can never have enough goalie prospects since very few really pan out
I agree, Lehner hasnt proven he can handle a full workload in the AHL, and his NHL resume so far has been very avg...But with Anderson down and Auld just being that shitty, Lehner will have his shot to prove he can handle a couple of weeks of pressure NHL hockey. If he doesnt its back to Bingo next year and he wont be happy.
Can hardly wait to ask the question....who will win the much hyped fight! Turris vs Corvo!
Goalies are a hard target to get a lock on when it comes to drafting. While you sometimes get that#1 round selection that pans out as a starter such as Luongo, Fleury, Price. More often than not it works against you. And most teams are more then likely to use a 1st or 2nd round on fowards or D as they are usually slated higher in immediate value. Some of the top Goalies in this league were drafted later on (some didn't get drafted) and hit a good stride a few years into the league.
Lundqvist - 7th round, Quick - 3rd round, Halak - 9th round
Backstrom - undrafted, Kiprusoff - 5th round, Thomas - 9th round, Rinne - 9th round, Anderson - 3rd round. The list goes on.
Some guys just do better than others and much of it has to do with the way they play and the system they get to play in. Personally a draft position for a goalie means little to most teams I think, so long as you prove you can get the job done.
Sorry didn't realize BM was active on these boards. Thanks!
Sounds like Joe is backing down as he has apologized for his comments. Sounds like to me he watched the fight between Turris and Briere and got scared!
Don't apologize it's not your fault your uneducated... Smart ass!!
It makes no sense to draft a goalie this summer especially after acquiring Bishop...
Well you dont have to be an ass about it, this years draft is high on top D. The Sens are slated to finish somewhere between 16-25 and only D's are aroud that selection, some pretty good one too, Ceci, Koekkoek, Reilly, Trouba, Maata, Schmaltz....
Well I'm sure I never said use our 1st rounder on a goalie. My previous posts states that goalies are tough to predict and we did get eliiott late. The sens probably will draft a goalie in the late rounds. Even as early as 3. It wouldn't surprise me, but maybe closer to 5 or 6th round
Acquiring 25 year old bishop will have no relevance to our draft strategy thats for sure. He is 2 years away form being UFA eligible
I guess I agree, however I would still prefer it if we drafted a d-man
We give up a player Murray was clearly never sold on and give somebody a relatively risk free audition for the rest of the year, however, I don't think Gilroy is auditioning to replace Lee. Gilroy's audition is to replace Kuba.
Assuming we don't get a blueliner from the UFA market in the summer, Lee's replacement is more than likely already in the system down in Bingo. It's Borowiecki or Gryba or WireCock.
None of the bingo players need to be more than a number 6 dman next year and that takes a lot of pressure off them. In fact as they are all on 2 way deals we can even rotate and audition them all next year as we see fit. Maybe give them all 25 games unless somebody blows Murray away with their play the way Cowen did this year.
What Murray needs to see from Gilroy is that he can move the puck as well as/nearly as well as Kuba and be a little more physical. Then suddenly we have our Kuba replacement at a third or half the cost.
If Gilroy doesn't impress Murray in the next 20 games (and playoffs) then the chances of re-signing Kuba increase.
Agreed!!!
Thought I'd point something out, take it for what its worth. Elliot has been great this year but we can't let the system that St. Louis plays be overshadowed by Elliots numbers. I've done a little digging, out of the last 30 games I reviewed by St. Louis, the goalies who played faced more than 30 shots only 10 times. 6 times they faced fewer than 20 and Elliot won 3 of those games, two by shutout. Those wins were against Minnesota and Colorado, not the most threatning of teams. If you look at the games where they faced 30 or more shots in the last 30, it happened only 10 times. Out of those 10 games they won only 4 and it was Halak who won those games, not Elliot.
Back in our Elliot days, he faced 30 shots or more almost 50% of the games he played and his stats were pretty much where everyone expected them to be. While he was in Colorado, he played only 12 games winning 2 but out of the last 30 they had 20 games where they faced 30 or more shots and 4 of those games over 40 shots. I guess what I'm saying is Elliot will have stretches of great games, which we was known for doing, but eventually that wears on you.
In no way am I trying to show fault in Elliot, I'm just saying that St. Louis plays a much better defensive game than most teams realize and much better than Ottawa or Colorado in previous years, I guess you could say this year as well. This gives a Goalie a much higher chance of winning as long as you stop the routine shots.
agreed. basically a goalie has to fit the system on the team he plays for or vice versa. Toronto is ample proof of that where the system they play, the goalies they have and even more so the goalie coach they have do not jive at all...and it creates a ridiculous mess. Elliot like any half-decent NHL goalie will thrive in a system which barely lets shots through to the goalie. But this is the beauty of the game today where players, coaches, goalies and goalie coaches all have to keep improving their game. Because eventally the players will figure goalies out and find holes in them. Similarly goalies figure teams, their styles and their systems out..its an ongoing cycle. Its very important for a goalie to fit in and be in sync with a team's defensive system.
we all thought vokuun on washington would be a 1st place team, we thought philly was finally stacked, we watched elliott continue to shit the bed in colorado and yet look at all these guys today, all of their worlds are upside down and while some play and impress with strong numbers, others got large long term contracts and are completely exposed under a week defensive system.
goalies have to match the system the team uses or they risk failure and scutiny.
I hope for St. Louis' sake.. that Elliott doesn't become Elliott..
Note: Robin Lehner was not brought over to North America to play 4 or 5 years in Palookaville!
Bishop hasn't proven he can be a back-up in the NHL for a full season and Lehner hasn't proven he can handle a full season as an AHL number 1 yet.
Until they do that, they don't get a significant chance to replace Anderson. That's how it works.
Bishop's one way deal makes him the front runner for the back-up job. In St Louis he was in a straight up fight for with Elliott and he lost out because Elliott out performed him, no other reason.
This isn't a problem next year unless Lehner makes it a problem or Bishop shows he can't handle back-up duties.
If Lehner creates a fuss instead of showing he deserves a chance based on his play in Binghampton then he needs to be told that you earn your role in the NHL (like we told Filatov and like how players such as Greening, Condra, Daugavins and O'Brien proved).
If Bishop shows he can't handle the back up duties then we are in the same situation we were in for most of this year and we have Lehner to fal back on.
Having Anderson, Bishop and Lehner isn't a problem for 2012/13. If it becomes a problem in 2013/14 because all three of them show they deserve to be in the NHL then that's a good problem to have and we'll deal with it then.
Most goalies before they come to the NHL play at least 3 yrs in the minors on most teams. What if Bingo didn't win the Cup last season... would we be having this argument?
Lehner is still learning and still needs to mature a little.
I personally think the Sens believe he will be their #1 goalie.. and will groom him that way. The Sens treat their players well and with respect -- they won't throw Lehner under the bus.
He hasn't even played 2 full seasons in Binghamton. Played backup behind Brust last season.. and this year is having not so good a year. I think the Sens plan was for him to be the clear cut #1 in Bingo.. but that team is bad.. it has just not worked out.
If he plays really well in the games he will do in Ottawa the next little while... that may change everything.
Just because Bishop is bigger than Lehner does not mean he is better. Lehner has had more success in his short time than Bishop... If I can see that.. the team certainly can.
Lehner will be the #1 in Ottawa in my mind.. but it may not come as soon as he wants it... Instead of pouting he should go to Bingo (if they are still in Bingo next season) and play hard to get out of there..
Next year will take care of itself...
Can Bishop be sent to the AHL without going through waivers?
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