Tuesday, 29 March 2011 11:34

Wiser's Week Continues- Sens Visit Bolts

With the teams around them faltering, the Ottawa Senators continue to pick up points at the most awkward of times. Tonight they visit the Tampa Bay Lightning and a win could potentially vault them pass both the Panthers and the Islanders.

With that in mind, the Sens will start Curtis McElhinney in Tampa.

I have resisted the temptation to join tank nation to this point but even I am willing to admit that a loss against the Bolts tonight wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Ottawa currently holds the 28th spot in the NHL but are at risk of passing a couple of the teams ahead of them with a win tonight.

I happen to think 3rd overall is almost the same as 2nd (assuming Edmonton or Colorado takes Larsson) but once you get down to 5th you start to run the risk of missing out on a potential star. Couturier wouldn't exactly be a dud but I'm just not convinced he is at the level of the other three forwards (Nugent-Hopkins, Landeskog, Strome)

Other than McElhinney in goal, no line up changes are expected for the Senators. Same forward combinations up front.

Greening-Spezza-Butler/Michalek-Shannon-Condra/Foligno-Winchester-Neil/Svatos-Smith-Lessard

Mentioned this on Twitter and in the comment section earlier but word is the Sens are still the favourites to land NCAA free agent Stephane Da Costa.  Minnesota and possibly Florida are also still in the mix.


Thanks to everyone that sent in an entry for today's contest. Will email the winner shortly after the game tonight.

If there is more than one person with the correct answer, I will draw randomly from all winning entries. Winner gets a pair of tickets in the Wiser's Suite on the 100 level. Good luck!

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Last modified on Tuesday, 29 March 2011 18:24

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+4 #1 Rizzo 2011-03-29 10:45
Take it with a grain of salt, but ESPN also saying that Sens are the best fit for Da Costa.
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+3 #2 SNOOPY SENIOR 2011-03-29 10:48
Good choice by Clouston to start McElhinney.
Decisions have to be made by Sens Management on whether or not to sign McElhinney as the backup to Craig Anderson.

He has won 2 games vs the Bolts, and I believe that this time the Tampa Bay team would like to amend to those 2 losses.
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-2 #3 SensChirp 2011-03-29 10:51
Quoting Rizzo:
Take it with a grain of salt, but ESPN also saying that Sens are the best fit for Da Costa.


Similar to Craig Anderson, I think Murray wants to have a better idea of his role moving forward. If he isn't going to be the GM beyond this season, he has to be sure that signing Da Costa is something a new GM would want as well.
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+3 #4 aligator 2011-03-29 10:52
If we draft 5th with RNH, Strome already gone, I don't think the Sens draft Couturier. It will be Huberdeau. Just hope we don't catch NJ or we won't even manage that. Don't know who to cheer for tomorrow night bwtween NJ and NYI. Guess, it depends somewhat on what happens tonight in Tampa.
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0 #5 Rizzo 2011-03-29 10:53
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting Rizzo:
Take it with a grain of salt, but ESPN also saying that Sens are the best fit for Da Costa.


Similar to Craig Anderson, I think Murray wants to have a better idea of his role moving forward. If he isn't going to be the GM beyond this season, he has to be sure that signing Da Costa is something a new GM would want as well.



I thought it was already assumed that Murray would be retained through next year after the Anderson contract...are you hearing otherwise?
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+2 #6 SensChirp 2011-03-29 10:56
@Rizzo,

No that is still my assumption. But for whatever reason I'm hearing the same thing about Murray wanting to know his position first. Sort of leads me to believe the moves he is making need to be cleared first.

Speculation on my part though.
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0 #7 conor smythe 2011-03-29 11:05
After all the moves he has made, I can't imagine somebody else coming in to GM next season. It wouldn't be right, or smart. All things considered BM has done a good job, albeit the job at hand was fixing his own mistakes.

I want to see what BM does leading up to and including the draft. I just don't want him to get out of control again and waste a bunch of dolla's on some UFA who hasn't earned a cent with our team.

I'd rather watch a 'greening' or 'condra' work his way up through OUR system than to throw 6 million dollars at some guy who earned his price tag playing on another team.
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-2 #8 defplayer 2011-03-29 11:27
Chirp -

Any way the next contest can be for some Wisers? That way we are guaranteed a good time :)
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+2 #9 SensChirp 2011-03-29 11:29
Quoting defplayer:
Chirp -

Any way the next contest can be for some Wisers? That way we are guaranteed a good time :)

That is a key feature of the tickets! Beverages and food are included in the Wiser's suite.
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+2 #10 Hax 2011-03-29 11:40
I didn't see a lot of Butler towards the end of the last game. Anyone know if he got bumped down or maybe got hurt? Or did they just give Condra a couple of his shifts to let him play with Spezza?
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+3 #11 MacK 2011-03-29 11:47
I too am trying to come to grips with the fact that we may not be in the Draft Lottery if we keep winning like this. Though, I came across a compilation over at HFBoards courtesy of Dr.Sens(e). It features Jonathan Huberdeau!
http://nhldraftvideo.blogspot.com/2011/03/jonathan-huberdeau-20102011-compilation.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Seems like a smooth skating feisty guy with a nose for the net and some sweet hands. Wouldn't be too bad if we missed out on Lands or Strome.

Thoughts?
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+2 #12 Hax 2011-03-29 11:49
For NJ v NYI I'm just hoping it's a regulation win for one of the two. Probably prefer it's the Devils that win though as falling to sixth pick would be much worse than fifth (IMO). Fourth pick versus fifth isn't as big a difference. If we lose tonight and NJ win that will go a long way to ensuring we stay in the bottom five. Then if we lose to Florida as well we can all breathe a little easier.

I'm not 100% on board with tank nation either, but I do worry about missing out on Strome. And I'd hate to have to consider actually trading UP when not too long ago we all thought we'd be able to trade down.

I do agree with Johne and others though that are saying wins now based on our young guys playing well is all good. It would be different if we hadn't resigned Anderson yet and he was stealing games, or if we were winning simply by other teams playing like crap against us. If Greening, Condra etc are helping us win now their future looks promising.
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+1 #13 John Q. Spartan 2011-03-29 11:51
With all due respect to Mr. Murray, blowing up a team is the easiest thing in sports to do. The amount of credit our illustrious GM receives for it should be very reserved.

The Anderson trade is the best thing to happen to Murray, and that only occurred because Colorado decided it was in their best interest to tank the season.

I really hope Mr. Anderson can stay healthy, or else I'm really going to be bummed out that we missed out on RNH and Landeskog.
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+3 #14 THEBLACKTERROR 2011-03-29 11:56
Quoting SensibleMac:
I too am trying to come to grips with the fact that we may not be in the Draft Lottery if we keep winning like this. Though, I came across a compilation over at HFBoards courtesy of Dr.Sens(e). It features Jonathan Huberdeau!
http://nhldraftvideo.blogspot.com/2011/03/jonathan-huberdeau-20102011-compilation.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Seems like a smooth skating feisty guy with a nose for the net and some sweet hands. Wouldn't be too bad if we missed out on Lands or Strome.

Thoughts?


Exactly my friend. Regardless of position, Ottawa is getting the best offensive prospect in their system at this draft, so let's just see what happens.
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-1 #15 Hax 2011-03-29 11:56
Quoting SensibleMac:
I too am trying to come to grips with the fact that we may not be in the Draft Lottery if we keep winning like this.


We'll be in the lottery, but we may not have a shot at the #1 pick. Every team that misses the playoffs is in the lottery but you can only move up 4 spots. So if we finish above five other teams we still have a slim shot at winning the lottery and moving up to the #2 overall pick. Only a 6% chance sure, but it's a shot.
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-2 #16 aligator 2011-03-29 12:02
Quoting Hax:
For NJ v NYI I'm just hoping it's a regulation win for one of the two. Probably prefer it's the Devils that win though as falling to sixth pick would be much worse than fifth (IMO). Fourth pick versus fifth isn't as big a difference. If we lose tonight and NJ win that will go a long way to ensuring we stay in the bottom five. .


Agree on NJ winning(I think) but wouldn't an OT win be better?
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+2 #17 MacK 2011-03-29 12:03
Quoting Hax:
Quoting SensibleMac:
I too am trying to come to grips with the fact that we may not be in the Draft Lottery if we keep winning like this.


We'll be in the lottery, but we may not have a shot at the #1 pick. Every team that misses the playoffs is in the lottery but you can only move up 4 spots. So if we finish above five other teams we still have a slim shot at winning the lottery and moving up to the #2 overall pick. Only a 6% chance sure, but it's a shot.


Sorry Hax, I should have clarified. I meant a better chance at #1.
Cheers!
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+1 #18 John Q. Spartan 2011-03-29 12:03
1. RNH
2. Landeskog
3. Strome
4. Huberdeau
5. Couturier

I'm willing to go along with the assumption that Huberdeau's offensive ceilling is higher than Couturier's.
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+3 #19 THEBLACKTERROR 2011-03-29 12:04
My previous statement extended, some perspective:

If Ottawa goes 6-0 to finish the season, they'll finish with 80 points.

Not concerning ourselves with COL and EDM, who are completely out of it, here is what the teams who don't have 81 points yet would have to do to finish the season.

FLA: 6-0
NYI: 5-0-1
NJD: 4-3
ATL: 2-4-1
TOR: 1-4-1
CBJ: 2-5
STL: 2-5
MIN: 1-5-1

Now remember that Ottawa has to run the table for this to happen. For every loss the Senators take, subtract one win from each team.

They have a realistic shot at passing FLA and NYI, but NJ is a REAL longshot, and the others teams are too far out of reach.

Jumping FLA and NYI puts the Senators in the 5 slot for the draft, which will net one of Larsson, Landeskog, RNH, Strome, or Couturier.

Things are not as bad as they seem.
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-3 #20 aligator 2011-03-29 12:06
Quoting SensChirp:
@Rizzo,

No that is still my assumption. But for whatever reason I'm hearing the same thing about Murray wanting to know his position first. Sort of leads me to believe the moves he is making need to be cleared first.

Speculation on my part though.


If Melnyk is making hockey decisions, then God help this franchise.
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+2 #21 MacK 2011-03-29 12:15
Quoting THEBLACKTERROR:
My previous statement extended, some perspective:


Jumping FLA and NYI puts the Senators in the 5 slot for the draft, which will net one of Larsson, Landeskog, RNH, Strome, or Couturier.

Things are not as bad as they seem.


And add Huberdeau to the list if a sens lottery ball doesn't get chosen in the top 5. You never no... I know I have no luck at all and if my name was in there with 100 others, I can guarantee I'd be the last chosen.
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-3 #22 Tcharger 2011-03-29 12:20
What a complete and utter disaster of a season....I genuinely don't think I have EVER been as disappointed with a season from the Sens.

Literally nothing has gone right....Maybe finding Anderson could be a seen as a positive, but then it goes right into the fact that he is essentially playing us right out of a quality draft pick(yeah yeah I know whoever we get will be good....but not likely top 3 good).


Soooo bloody annoyed.
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+2 #23 Sandy 2011-03-29 12:26
Also the Sens could drop one spot in the draft as well could they not.

As far as mistakes made for this franchise... the biggest ones are losing Hossa & Chara -- without a doubt.

Let's hope Da Costa makes the correct decision (Ottawa).
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+1 #24 MacK 2011-03-29 12:27
Quoting Tcharger:
What a complete and utter disaster of a season....I genuinely don't think I have EVER been as disappointed with a season from the Sens.

Literally nothing has gone right....Maybe finding Anderson could be a seen as a positive, but then it goes right into the fact that he is essentially playing us right out of a quality draft pick(yeah yeah I know whoever we get will be good....but not likely top 3 good).


Soooo bloody annoyed.


I gotta say, This past month or so has been so refreshing as a sens fan. It's fun when we win because it springs hope for the future and I can still smile when we lose knowing that it betters our chance at a top prospect. It's a win win situation in my mind and I haven't often felt this way in years past.
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-1 #25 Lehnerfied 2011-03-29 12:31
Quoting John Q. Spartan:
1. RNH
2. Landeskog
3. Strome
4. Huberdeau
5. Couturier

I'm willing to go along with the assumption that Huberdeau's offensive ceilling is higher than Couturier's.




UMMM... You forgot the true #1 pick.... Adam Larsson, And I think that Couturier will be picked 2-3 because it's much harder to find a good center man than it is to find a good winger.
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+2 #26 Tcharger 2011-03-29 12:33
@Sensible Mac....I agree with what you are saying when the games are on....then they end and I realize how crappy it is that we just won yet again.

@Sandy The crappiest thing to happen to the franchise was the blindsiding of Hossa.....The Chara thing was 100% a residual affect of this stupid move
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-2 #27 Lehnerfied 2011-03-29 12:34
Jumping FLA and NYI puts the Senators in the 5 slot for the draft, which will net one of Larsson, Landeskog, RNH, Strome, or Couturier.

Things are not as bad as they seem.


Adam Larsson WILL go 1st overall... Edmonton needs D-men
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+1 #28 John Q. Spartan 2011-03-29 12:35
Quoting Lehnerfied:
Quoting John Q. Spartan:
1. RNH
2. Landeskog
3. Strome
4. Huberdeau
5. Couturier

I'm willing to go along with the assumption that Huberdeau's offensive ceilling is higher than Couturier's.




UMMM... You forgot the true #1 pick.... Adam Larsson, And I think that Couturier will be picked 2-3 because it's much harder to find a good center man than it is to find a good winger.


Nope didn't forget in the slightest, I was just listing the forwards. Huberdeau is a natural centreman too, he can also play the wing.
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-1 #29 Lehnerfied 2011-03-29 12:39
I think the sens should resign McElhinney to a 1 year deal. He's played well so far, and he could be a good 20 game back up to Anderson next season. It would then give Lehner a chance to play some real minutes in Bingo.. Lehner is still young and has a lot of time to develop...
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+2 #30 MacK 2011-03-29 12:41
Quoting Lehnerfied:
Jumping FLA and NYI puts the Senators in the 5 slot for the draft, which will net one of Larsson, Landeskog, RNH, Strome, or Couturier.

Things are not as bad as they seem.


Adam Larsson WILL go 1st overall... Edmonton needs D-men


For some reason the talk in Edmonton lately has been taking RNH first. Not sure what that's all about...clearly they need a franchise d-man.
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+1 #31 John Q. Spartan 2011-03-29 12:43
Quoting Lehnerfied:


Adam Larsson WILL go 1st overall... Edmonton needs D-men


I think RNH will go first overall. It's much harder to find a #1 center late in round 1 or in the 2nd round, than it is to find a bluechip dman. The Oilers could opt to go with RNH, and then draft a player (or two, if their 2nd round pick is considered) like Jamie Oleksiak or Scott Mayfield with the pick acquire from the Kings. Although, the Oilers have centers like Horcoff, Cogliano, Gagner, and prospects like Pitlick and Lander. None of those guys are true #1's. RNH and Hall would be deadly, and the Oilers have historically gone with offense over defence.

But hey, it's obviously possible they could take Adam Larsson instead.
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-2 #32 Sensnation 2011-03-29 12:48
I'm frustrated by how much of a tank site this has become. I'm surprised you've joined those ranks Chirp. I know the high draft pick would be awesome, but I still won't cheer for a loss just to get it. Let the cards fall where they may and just make sure the sens did the proper scouting and stick to their draft sheet.

Also, it's a friggin' lottery people, best chances don't always equal best results!
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-1 #33 TheTyrantWee 2011-03-29 12:50
McBackup has been playing well too, but at least it's not Anderson. Honestly what they should do is call-up Mike Brodeur and play him the rest of the games. Let a 3rd string AHL goalie secure the draft pick if you're serious about it.
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+1 #34 John Q. Spartan 2011-03-29 12:52
Quoting JABSmilez:
I'm frustrated by how much of a tank site this has become. I'm surprised you've joined those ranks Chirp. I know the high draft pick would be awesome, but I still won't cheer for a loss just to get it. Let the cards fall where they may and just make sure the sens did the proper scouting and stick to their draft sheet.

Also, it's a friggin' lottery people, best chances don't always equal best results!


We aren't allowed to talk about the draft? Where we might finish in the standings? Where we 'hope' we finish in the standings? What player we would like to see as a Senator? People aren't allowed to be of the opinion that the team would be better served with a better draft pick?

Man... you're no fun...

Nothing we say, or do, has any effect on the standings. Lighten up.
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+4 #35 SensChirp 2011-03-29 12:52
Quoting JABSmilez:
I'm frustrated by how much of a tank site this has become. I'm surprised you've joined those ranks Chirp. I know the high draft pick would be awesome, but I still won't cheer for a loss just to get it. Let the cards fall where they may and just make sure the sens did the proper scouting and stick to their draft sheet.

Also, it's a friggin' lottery people, best chances don't always equal best results!

Yea I won't cheer for a loss either. Just said that a loss wouldn't be the worst thing. I also find that before the game it's easier for me to think about how a loss wouldn't be terrible and then the puck drops.

Can't help but cheer for a team that is playing the way this group is.
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0 #36 Kinger 2011-03-29 12:58
Hey there! First time writer, long time reader. In my honest opinion I think Murray is good as gold gold to hold is position as GM, he gave the team a new identity as well as fixing some of the owners mistakes IMO. That's me 2cents!
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-3 #37 conor smythe 2011-03-29 13:00
CHL Playoff stats

RNH 3GP 3G-4A-7pts
Landeskog 3GP 3G-1A-4pts
Strome 2GP 1G-0A-1pts
Huberdeau 2GP 3G-5A-8pts (4A in game one, 3G 1A in game two)
Courturier 2GP 1G-2A-3pts

Very small sample size, but these stats will be very important when final draft rankings are made.
I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Huberdeau!

...Hubeardeau's linemate zach phillips (ranked 12th in this years draft) also has 8pts in 2 games (they're tied for 1st in CHL playoff scoring).. like to see Murray break the bank to get both of them.
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+2 #38 John Q. Spartan 2011-03-29 13:16
Quoting conor smythe:
CHL Playoff stats

RNH 3GP 3G-4A-7pts
Landeskog 3GP 3G-1A-4pts
Strome 2GP 1G-0A-1pts
Huberdeau 2GP 3G-5A-8pts (4A in game one, 3G 1A in game two)
Courturier 2GP 1G-2A-3pts


Saint John is an absolutely stacked team and are the #1 seed in the the weakest league in the CHL. They are playing the #16 seed right now, Cape Breton, who have a record of 18-45-1-4.

Comparatively, RNH is playing Edmonton who are 31-34-2-5. Couturier is playing Chicoutimi (27-29-5-7). Landeskog is playing Plymouth (36-26-2-4). Strome is playing Brampton (29-32-1-6).

I do like Huberdeau though, but it's a bit unfair to just straight up compare point totals.
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+3 #39 jakester 2011-03-29 13:16
I love Huberdeau - but don't forget they are playing a team that made the playoffs with 40 points in the standings - they"re bad. But he is quite the player.
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-1 #40 Colin 2011-03-29 13:29
Quoting JABSmilez:
I'm frustrated by how much of a tank site this has become. I'm surprised you've joined those ranks Chirp. I know the high draft pick would be awesome, but I still won't cheer for a loss just to get it. Let the cards fall where they may and just make sure the sens did the proper scouting and stick to their draft sheet.

Also, it's a friggin' lottery people, best chances don't always equal best results!


Agree 100% @JAB

I also resent the high and mighty attitude of some posters who continually berate those still cheering for the team. Cheering for the Sens to win does not mean I am stupid, ignorant or not a true Sens fan. Quite the opposite, in fact.

I would *much* rather have Anderson and the 4th or 5th pick than Elliot and the 2nd or 3rd pick.
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0 #41 John Q. Spartan 2011-03-29 13:38
Quoting Colin:


Agree 100% @JAB

I also resent the high and mighty attitude of some posters who continually berate those still cheering for the team. Cheering for the Sens to win does not mean I am stupid, ignorant or not a true Sens fan. Quite the opposite, in fact.

I would *much* rather have Anderson and the 4th or 5th pick than Elliot and the 2nd or 3rd pick.


To be fair, we were getting a different goalie next season regardless or whether we traded Elliot or not. It could have very easily have been Mr. Anderson too.

That being said, you're more than welcome to have your opinions. Just afford those that disagree the same courtesy.
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+2 #42 Sandy 2011-03-29 13:42
I always cheer for the Sens to win. I can't help it.
It is so refreshing now to see this team play now when at the beginning it was as frustrating as it has ever been.

As for the draft, I don't think the Sens fall lower than 5th. I can't see them winning all 6 games,they could go 1 - 5 with that one win against the Leafs this Saturday to put the 'final nail in the coffin' of their supposedly playoff run.

Say Sens stay 3rd in the draft RNH & Landeskog are gone and the Sens have the choice to draft Larsson and they take him.

Imagine:
Karlsson - Cowen
Rundblad - Larsson
Phillips - Gonchar

Weircoch & Gryba continue to develop in Bingo and slide into the lineup as Gonchar & Phillips leave.

Kuba & Lee are gone.. with Carkner as 7th D..

I know Sens need a really good young forward but you could not turn down Larsson.

That's a young D - but it is a re-build with youth,so let them play.
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-2 #43 Sensnation 2011-03-29 13:50
Quoting John Q. Spartan:

...
Man... you're no fun...

Nothing we say, or do, has any effect on the standings. Lighten up.


Lighten up? It's not like I'm freaking out here bud, I think you're missing my point. It's frustrating to always read that crap. I'm totally fine with discussing just about anything, but reading post after post complaining about wins or which goalie should be played so we can lose ... that type of shit is not appreciated.

Of course I'd love to get the 1st pick and take the best player in the draft, and yes I think that's RNH or Larsson, but we're not going to get that unless the lottery goes in our favor, no point condemning a winning team for it.
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-2 #44 Tookie 2011-03-29 14:01
Right now the SENS are winning their way out of a franchise player, we have to stay in the top 3, otherwise this rebuild was a complete waste.

Anything other than Larsson, RNH or Landeskog will prove to me that the front office have no clue what they are doing!
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0 #45 John Q. Spartan 2011-03-29 14:05
Quoting JABSmilez:


Lighten up? It's not like I'm freaking out here bud, I think you're missing my point.

It's frustrating to always read that crap. I'm totally fine with discussing just about anything, but reading post after post complaining about wins or which goalie should be played so we can lose ... that type of shit is not appreciated.


I never said you were freaking out. I also think you're taking comments made by the vast minority and making it sound like the sentiment is far more predominant than it is... bud.
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-2 #46 Sensnation 2011-03-29 14:06
@JQS

Would you have been happy if we had kept Elliott and rode out the season with him starting? Colorado clearly decided to tank with no attempt to roster a competitive team the rest of the way.

Fans who want the sens to have tanked are basically saying they wanted them to use the strategy Colorado has. Would you really want to watch that crap for the entire year?

A GM is supposed to give his team the best shot at winning and their GM has given them none. At least BM gave this team a chance for the 2nd half. It would be so depressing around here if our GM had done the same thing as in Colorado, especially since the rookies would be getting more and more frustrated with each loss, instead of gaining confidence in their game at the NHL level.

All that is worth a pick a few spots lower in my mind. Draft positioning isn't everything.
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0 #47 Sensnation 2011-03-29 14:08
Quoting John Q. Spartan:

I never said you were freaking out. I also think you're taking comments made by the vast minority and making it sound like the sentiment is far more predominant than it is...

bud.


We read the same comment section, it's a lot more pro-tanking then I ever imagined it could be, let alone without more people calling out against it.
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+1 #48 THEBLACKTERROR 2011-03-29 14:09
Quoting JABSmilez:
Quoting John Q. Spartan:

I never said you were freaking out. I also think you're taking comments made by the vast minority and making it sound like the sentiment is far more predominant than it is...

bud.


We read the same comment section, it's a lot more pro-tanking then I ever imagined it could be, let alone without more people calling out against it.


Yes, 100% correct. I just hope that people are able to turn their attitudes around by next training camp, because dealing with another season of people talking about what Ottawa needs to do to lose games is both irritating and pointless.
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0 #49 THEBLACKTERROR 2011-03-29 14:10
Quoting Tookie19:
Right now the SENS are winning their way out of a franchise player, we have to stay in the top 3, otherwise this rebuild was a complete waste.

Anything other than Larsson, RNH or Landeskog will prove to me that the front office have no clue what they are doing!


What makes you think any of those three guys will be 'franchise' players?

If any one of them actually WAS a franchise player, then I'd venture a guess that we'd have a consensus #1 this year, rather than it being between 3-4 different players.
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+1 #50 Tcharger 2011-03-29 14:12
Quoting JABSmilez:
@JQS
A GM is supposed to give his team the best shot at winning and their GM has given them none. At least BM gave this team a chance for the 2nd half. It would be so depressing around here if our GM had done the same thing as in Colorado, especially since the rookies would be getting more and more frustrated with each loss, instead of gaining confidence in their game at the NHL level.



Jab we unofficially did what Colorado did for the majority of the season...Would I have been happy to keep Elliott, Yep and then pursue a goalie(Anderson as per everyone) in the off season.
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+3 #51 John Q. Spartan 2011-03-29 14:15
I think people are pissed off because they had to watch this shitty team all season, only to see it improve just in time for the last 15 to 20 games.

Which of course are completely meaningless games, that do nothing but ruin our draft standing.

People were calling for changes all season (some people longer), and they didn't occur. Then once the season was lost, they occurred. If you can't understand why people might be a little disappointed with that, then I dunno what else to say.
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0 #52 Tookie 2011-03-29 14:17
Dont you guys think picking 5th or anywhere beyond that is a complete waste of what we have been trying to do?

I highly doubt that Greening & Condra will ever become legit top 6 players. With the signing of Anderson and showing that he can steal us some games, I could see this team pushing for a playoff spot as early as next year. But we need to land Larsson or Landeskog or even RNH (rdy in 2 years)
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+3 #53 Tcharger 2011-03-29 14:18
John Q hit the nail on the head....I have been calling for something to change since pretty close to day 1. I finally after roughly 15-20 games took some satisfaction in knowing at least we would be getting a top 2-3 pick, now the team has blown even that small "victory" for the season and we will be getting anywhere from 4-6ish.
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-2 #54 Sensnation 2011-03-29 14:21
Quoting Tcharger:


Jab we unofficially did what Colorado did for the majority of the season...Would I have been happy to keep Elliott, Yep and then pursue a goalie(Anderson as per everyone) in the off season.


Oour 1st half of this season is comparable to Colorado's 2nd half in your mind in terms of what the team is trying to accomplish? You'd have signed Anderson to that contract without trying him out 1st and having watched him do worse in Colorado the rest of the year? Am I missing something here
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0 #55 Tookie 2011-03-29 14:28
I agree with JQs and Tcharger, not many fans on here agreed with us at the beginning of the season but as loses continued to pile up, a handful of fans like myself and Tcharger went against the grain of happy go lucky fans on here to say that this team needed to be blown up, this was around the 15-20 game mark, it was very obvious to see our core was the problem. So they go on and do nothing until very late in the season...fine, atleast we had the satifaction of drafting 1st overall and truely start a rebuild in which we had a jump start on.

Now its like watching a dream come true fade away, I know you cant tell players to lose, and would not want them to lose like that, but I mean there are other ways, play McBackup the rest of the way, put Alfie on the shelf and Michalek too. Play more Kuba and Gonchar and Phillips!
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+1 #56 Sandy 2011-03-29 14:29
Quoting THEBLACKTERROR:
Quoting Tookie19:
Right now the SENS are winning their way out of a franchise player, we have to stay in the top 3, otherwise this rebuild was a complete waste.

Anything other than Larsson, RNH or Landeskog will prove to me that the front office have no clue what they are doing!


What makes you think any of those three guys will be 'franchise' players?

If any one of them actually WAS a franchise player, then I'd venture a guess that we'd have a consensus #1 this year, rather than it being between 3-4 different players.


The 'experts' have been saying there is no clear #1 in this draft but the top 5 will all be good players. So any spot in 1 - 5 you will get a decent prospect.

The key is what will they do with the Nashville pick to move up -- as Nashville, it appears, will make the playoffs. So now we cheer for them to win once the playoffs start.
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0 #57 THEBLACKTERROR 2011-03-29 14:29
Quoting Tcharger:
John Q hit the nail on the head....I have been calling for something to change since pretty close to day 1. I finally after roughly 15-20 games took some satisfaction in knowing at least we would be getting a top 2-3 pick, now the team has blown even that small "victory" for the season and we will be getting anywhere from 4-6ish.


Ok fine, you were calling for it.

So, do you think that Colorado would have traded Anderson straight up for Brian Elliott in November?

Or do you think that Nashville would have traded for Fisher in October?

Doesn't work that way. You need TWO teams to complete a trade. You can call for it all you want, but unless you have TWO interested parties, then nothing is happening.
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-2 #58 Sensnation 2011-03-29 14:30
Quoting John Q. Spartan:

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It's not that there was no effort to make changes earlier, they just didn't work out for one reason or another. The team was never as bad, skill wise, as the record showed with all those injured players playing and Spezza out for so long.

I want good hockey at all times of the year and right now I'm more concerned with the development and assessment of our players and scouting of later picks then I am with which of the 5 possible top picks we should lose to get. I'll take the best available at whichever pick we get.

So when fans warmed up to our sucking this year, they left no room for the team returning to playing to their abilities, or improving with a better goalie, before the season was up?
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+2 #59 Tookie 2011-03-29 14:31
@ BlackTerror

Im starting to come around on RNH, he is starting to pull away from the pack, you just have a feeling about the kid that he will be something special!

Landeskog is somewhat in the same boat, where RNH has more potential offensively, Landeskog has it in leadership and pure heart. We cannot afford to miss out on both of them, that would be a disaster.
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0 #60 Sandy 2011-03-29 14:32
Quoting John Q. Spartan:
I think people are pissed off because they had to watch this shitty team all season, only to see it improve just in time for the last 15 to 20 games.

Which of course are completely meaningless games, that do nothing but ruin our draft standing.

People were calling for changes all season (some people longer), and they didn't occur. Then once the season was lost, they occurred. If you can't understand why people might be a little disappointed with that, then I dunno what else to say.


For me personally, I would prefer the young players brought into this lineup, experiencing winning with a good goalie.. than constantly losing behind a bad one. That would not do much for their morale...going into next season.
How do we know that Anderson would have picked Ottawa in FA -- especially if Philly was after him.
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-1 #61 THEBLACKTERROR 2011-03-29 14:32
Quoting John Q. Spartan:
I think people are pissed off because they had to watch this shitty team all season, only to see it improve just in time for the last 15 to 20 games.

Which of course are completely meaningless games, that do nothing but ruin our draft standing.

People were calling for changes all season (some people longer), and they didn't occur. Then once the season was lost, they occurred. If you can't understand why people might be a little disappointed with that, then I dunno what else to say.


But your disappointment is based on something that couldn't be changed. If the other teams won't make the trade, then what can you do? There's no point in being disappointed about something that you can't change, so accept it and move on.
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0 #62 Underwood 2011-03-29 14:33
Go Spezza
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-1 #63 Sensnation 2011-03-29 14:34
Quoting THEBLACKTERROR:

Ok fine, you were calling for it.

So, do you think that Colorado would have traded Anderson straight up for Brian Elliott in November?

Or do you think that Nashville would have traded for Fisher in October?

Doesn't work that way. You need TWO teams to complete a trade. You can call for it all you want, but unless you have TWO interested parties, then nothing is happening.


Exactly BlackTerror, the deals made were not available back when it could have changed our fate this season.

Also anyone who expected us to get the 1st pick was just as sorely mistaken as those of us who thought we'd be in the playoffs.
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0 #64 THEBLACKTERROR 2011-03-29 14:35
Quoting Tookie19:
@ BlackTerror

Im starting to come around on RNH, he is starting to pull away from the pack, you just have a feeling about the kid that he will be something special!

Landeskog is somewhat in the same boat, where RNH has more potential offensively, Landeskog has it in leadership and pure heart. We cannot afford to miss out on both of them, that would be a disaster.


Sure, maybe they're pulling away, but I still don't think you can call them 'franchise' prospects.

Good prospects, yes. Great prospects, yes. But 'franchise'?

Crosby, Stamkos, they were franchise prospects. These guys are good, but I'm not convinced there will be a huge dropoff if Ottawa gets Strome or Huberdeau instead of Landeskog or RNH.
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-2 #65 Underwood 2011-03-29 14:37
and Murray!
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+1 #66 John Q. Spartan 2011-03-29 14:41
On the other side of the coin is...

I don't think management would have truly thought, at the deadline, that they'd be going on this little run right about now.

Couple that with with Edmonton's injuries, and Colorado and Florida evil tanking ways, and you have what we have now.

It's not a completely black and white issue to be sure.
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+1 #67 Tookie 2011-03-29 14:46
@ BLACKTERROR

Everyteam has a Franchise player or 2, Crosby, Ovie and Stamkos are not Franchise players they are more than that, they are the face of the League!

Im not saying Landeskog, RNH or Larsson will be faces of the League but they will become Franchise players for their respective teams, they others like Huberdeau and Couturier in my opinion will be busts. I go watch the QMJHL pretty regularly and when faced off with the best teams those 2 guys are nowhere to be found.
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0 #68 Underwood 2011-03-29 14:47
and Karlsson!
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+3 #69 Sandy 2011-03-29 15:07
I've looked at the remaining games for both Florida & NYI and I would bet by the end of the regular season -- Ottawa is 5th last.

Both Florida & NYI have a lot tougher schedule than Ottawa over the last 6 games.
Ottawa does play Philly, Boston & Mtl which could be (should be losses) -- but they also play TB, FLo & Leafs.. so maybe a chance to go 3 and 3 over last 6.
No way Florida and NYI will do that with their remaining games.
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-2 #70 conor smythe 2011-03-29 15:09
I understand the frustrations most fans have about not getting the 2nd or 3rd overall pick...


but we can easily trade up.

so cheer for wins!
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0 #71 Tcharger 2011-03-29 15:12
How do you figure ANY of the teams below us are going to trade down for it...I would be shocked.
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-2 #72 TheTyrantWee 2011-03-29 15:22
If you think it's pointless to want the best pick possible for the team that just makes you an idiot. Logically it makes sense to want the best pick possible so that the scouts have the best possible opportunity to pick the right player.

I will absolutely cheer for a loss when it benefits the team over the long haul. The idea that a bunch of meaningless wins at garbage time is somehow going to carry over into next season is laughable. It's a fresh slate every season. Getting Anderson may be a long-term plus for the Senators franchise. He's already signed. We don't have to start him the rest of the way. Mike Brodeur should be in the net as far as I'm concerned or as GM you're not doing your job. Secure the draft pick. There is nothing else to play for and that's been true since the day he signed the extension.
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+2 #73 aligator 2011-03-29 15:24
You can't say that strength of remaining schedule correlates with teams with the most points. Some of those may be coasting the last few games, waiting for the playoffs. The truly tough games will only be against an opponent who still needs every possible point just to get in.
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+1 #74 TheTyrantWee 2011-03-29 15:26
Also the pop-out comment section is excellent so well done on that SC. Very easy to read and loads much quicker than the main page.

Oh and a big fat I told you so when I said weeks ago that Ottawa needed to be careful or we'd end up finishing 5th. A bunch of blind fools said it wasn't even close to happening and Ottawa was a lock for the top four. Well it you idiots were wrong and The Tryant as usual was right again. We need to lose and badly. Possibly the most important game of this season will be Thursday against the Panthers. Lose that game at all costs.
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0 #75 Sensnation 2011-03-29 15:44
Quoting TheTyrantWee:


blah blah blah I know everything, everyone else is stupid blah blah blah ;)


You can't properly assess the talent of our prospects if we're trying to throw the games and get losses. I know you know that you know everything, but your tank theory has negative effects as well as not being close to guaranteed.
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0 #76 sensarmy 2011-03-29 16:11
Not only is a loss beneficial to our own pick but to the pick we have from Nashville ...
LETS GO BOLTS
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0 #77 Gramps 2011-03-29 16:13
Re: Tanking
As much as I dreamed of the 1st pick a few weeks ago I am not upset with the current situation. There are no guarrentees with the current consensus top 3. Is not Skinner the Calder leader and he was the 7th pick. There are no Crosbys in this group.

Not only is tanking not in the nature of the players or management but also the league would take a very dim view of teams obviously fielding teams solely to lose. There is an integrity issue especially as teams (we are playing) are still fighting for playoff spots.
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+1 #78 Hogan 2011-03-29 16:24
@ JAB + John Q

FINISH HIM
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0 #79 SensChirp 2011-03-29 16:58
More than 200 entries for the contest and just about an hour to go. Boy those should be fun to go through after the game haha.
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0 #80 Sens97 2011-03-29 17:03
Anybody know of another stream site after atdhe seems to have gone belly up for hockey?
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+1 #81 Sandy 2011-03-29 17:23
Quoting Tcharger:
How do you figure ANY of the teams below us are going to trade down for it...I would be shocked.


It's the old -- give them an offer they can't refuse.
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0 #82 Sandy 2011-03-29 17:26
Quoting Gramps:
Re: Tanking
As much as I dreamed of the 1st pick a few weeks ago I am not upset with the current situation. There are no guarrentees with the current consensus top 3. Is not Skinner the Calder leader and he was the 7th pick. There are no Crosbys in this group.

Not only is tanking not in the nature of the players or management but also the league would take a very dim view of teams obviously fielding teams solely to lose. There is an integrity issue especially as teams (we are playing) are still fighting for playoff spots.



Isn't that what Colorado is doing? fielding a team to lose?
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+1 #83 St Nick 2011-03-29 17:27
I don't see what the problem is with drafting Couturier, he is 6'4" for crying out loud, you can't teach that. He lead the Q in scoring last season as a 17 yr old & I believe he also lead that league this yr as an 18 yr old. That's two yrs in a row to lead a league in scoring that has to say something for the offense he can produce consistently. He already has a great two way game & all he really needs to adjust to is the speed & faster decision making in the NHL. He has the size & the game to compete & will have to work on his skating which he should be able to do over the next yr or so. He can step into the lineup next season & be ahead of a number of players on the depth chart who are playing there now. He is the size of Lindros with hopefully more offense, I hope Murray does draft Couturier.
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0 #84 2015Champs 2011-03-29 17:39
Quoting TheTyrantWee:
Also the pop-out comment section is excellent so well done on that SC. Very easy to read and loads much quicker than the main page.

Oh and a big fat I told you so when I said weeks ago that Ottawa needed to be careful or we'd end up finishing 5th. A bunch of blind fools said it wasn't even close to happening and Ottawa was a lock for the top four. Well it you idiots were wrong and The Tryant as usual was right again. We need to lose and badly. Possibly the most important game of this season will be Thursday against the Panthers. Lose that game at all costs.


I love it!!!! Back to back posts calling people idiots!

Do you really need this validation in your life........you MAY be right in hockey but so wrong in life ;)
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0 #85 SensChirp 2011-03-29 18:26
If the score finishes 4-2 Tampa it will definitely come down to GWG and perhaps a draw. Ton of people had that has their response!
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0 #86 SensChirp 2011-03-29 18:31
Oh and 167-51 were the total votes in favour of the Bolts winning this one.
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0 #87 lbernier 2011-03-29 18:34
Anybody got a stream for tonights game?????
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+3 #88 Sens Saint .... the former #1 fan of Spezzafan19! 2011-03-29 18:50
Some really good chat today and the one thing that I feel very strongly about is the idea of creating a winning culture.

It's only human nature for people to want to be around winners.

Anderson signed in O-town for three reasons. The term of his contract; the location of team/ citizenship of his child to be; & the potential he saw with this franchise.

For a long time you could wear a Senators jersey any where in NHL land and the Red & Black commanded respect.

People hated having us in their stands, but they respected us because our team was exciting, fast and lights out dangerously good.

Winning is what sport is about. Winning is not a facet that you can just turn. It's something you have to learn how to do as a group.

Do you really think DeCosta wants to go to a team that doesn't know how to win?

Let the kids play. Things will work out.
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+1 #89 NickG 2011-03-29 18:50
I finally found one.

http://www.justin.tv/damien4166#/w/1021869040
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+1 #90 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-03-29 18:52
Nick G

THANK YOU, kind sir.
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0 #91 Timic 2011-03-29 18:52
Quoting NickG:
I finally found one.

http://www.justin.tv/damien4166#/w/1021869040


Thank you!!!! You are a saint!
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0 #92 NickG 2011-03-29 18:53
It's a bit choppy for me. But beggars can't be choosers.
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0 #93 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-03-29 19:01
Denis Potvin is a horrible commentator.
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0 #94 Dorkiewicz 2011-03-29 19:19
Quoting jasonontheoldsenschirp:
Denis Potvin is a horrible commentator.


Old news, but yeah, he's one of the absolute worst. That says a lot considering how few quality announcers there are in general (say, 4?)

Oh and many thanks for the stream thread. Enjoying how we can pool our searching efforts and always find the stream in SensChirp comments, provided there is one, of course.
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0 #95 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-03-29 19:28
i really think Alfie should shut it down for the rest of the RS. Sure, us as fans would love to see him back on the ice, but the last thing we need is for our 38 year old captain to aggravate his injuries.

let him rest. hopefully he, and the rest of the team, will bounce back next season. i'm a firm believer that alfie can still contribute. obviously not his old [no pun intended] self, but he's still got it.

can't wait to see this team next season! can't wait for the draft!
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0 #96 jasonontheoldsenschirp 2011-03-29 19:32
DID ANY ONE SEE THAT KARLSSON DEKE?

my goodness
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0 #97 Sandy 2011-03-29 19:59
Quoting SensChirp:
If the score finishes 4-2 Tampa it will definitely come down to GWG and perhaps a draw. Ton of people had that has their response!


I don't think it will get to 5-3 like I predicted though..tough sledding in their tonight.
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0 #98 Dorkiewicz 2011-03-29 20:32
Da Costa rumours flying!
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0 #99 SensChirp 2011-03-29 20:35
Quoting Dorkiewicz:
Da Costa rumours flying!

Where did you see the rumours? Haven't heard anything new since earlier today.
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0 #100 SensChirp 2011-03-29 20:44
Coming down to the wire in today's contest. Bunch of people have a 3-1 final. We'll see what happens!
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0 #101 Dorkiewicz 2011-03-29 21:01
Do many people have 4-2? ;D
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0 #102 Overmind 2011-03-29 21:01
3 minutes left in the game and so far im 100% accurate with my prediction!
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0 #103 SensChirp 2011-03-29 21:02
Quoting Overmind:
3 minutes left in the game and so far im 100% accurate with my prediction!

Think I saw a few people with 4-2. Could come down to the game winner.
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0 #104 Overmind 2011-03-29 21:03
Quoting SensChirp:
Quoting Overmind:
3 minutes left in the game and so far im 100% accurate with my prediction!

Think I saw a few people with 4-2. Could come down to the game winner.

so far i have the game winner too ;)
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0 #105 chrispyguy 2011-03-29 21:04
DeCosta rumours were flying on the live stream online... some dude was just makin them up...

As for the contest, i beleive I have no chance...
As of now my score is busted, and I guess the GWG is for St. Louis if it ends as is...
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0 #106 Overmind 2011-03-29 21:06
pretty sure everyone picked St. Louis as the GWG.
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0 #107 Overmind 2011-03-29 21:07
bah... stamkos...
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0 #108 Sandy 2011-03-29 21:08
On another note... 67's lost tonight in OT. Down 3 - 0 in the series.

2nd place team and they have only played 1 game at home so far.. and that was in another rink (SBP).

It's going to be hard for them to come back.

I was hoping for a long playoff run and some games to go to.

Ain't going to happen.
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0 #109 gauts26 2011-03-29 21:09
nice got the score right, just didnt get the game winner right.
but was pretty close...

thank you sens for a great game, made it interesting.
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0 #110 Bob Swarley 2011-03-29 21:10
I submitted 4-2 St Louis game winner. The Empty netter screwed me!
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0 #111 SensChirp 2011-03-29 21:11
Score first and then the game winner as the tie breaker. Now to go through and see if anyone nailed it!
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0 #112 gauts26 2011-03-29 21:11
when will the winner be notified.
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0 #113 Bob Swarley 2011-03-29 21:12
I even had 5-2 St. Louis game winner written down and I erased it. Stupid empty netter! Augh!!!
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0 #114 gauts26 2011-03-29 21:16
well i got the 5-2 and gagne which was the first assist on st-louis goal.
hopefully that will work
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+2 #115 Flash 2011-03-29 21:17
Nailed it!
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0 #116 Senator Stanley 2011-03-29 21:28
I had 5-2 bolts with Dominic Moore getting the winner. He had 2nd and 4th goals. Oh well
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0 #117 FanBoy 2011-03-30 10:41
I had 5-2, but I didn't include the scorer. I guess I misread the question.
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