Game Day- Sens Look to Bounce Back vs. Florida

SensChirp December 19, 2013 318
Game Day- Sens Look to Bounce Back vs. Florida

Back to back wins remains an unreachable goal for the Ottawa Senators.  On the heels of a strong performance against one of the best team’s in the league in the St. Louis Blues, the Senators responded with a disappointing effort against the Devils. It’s an act that is getting pretty old for the team from the Nation’s Capital.

They’ll look to get back in the win column tonight against an improving Florida Panthers team.

It was a fairly dramatic scene after last night’s loss as the team held a closed door meeting to discuss their first half struggles.  The difference this time is it wasn’t a meeting called by the players but instead was the coaching staff and management that had some grievances to air.  Pretty strange to see the General Manager in the locker room addressing the team after a loss but that’s the desperation of the situation in Ottawa right now.  If the team doesn’t respond to being called out by the Coach and the GM, the next move is usually a trade.  As we have discussed at length on this site, that is easier said than done with an internal budget but Murray is a creative guy.  If he wants to make a trade for the sake of change, he can do it.

I’m not sure which straw is going to be the one that breaks the camel’s back but it has to be pretty close.

Just an optional skate for the Senators this morning with most of the team’s leadership group skipping the skate.  Interesting that Paul MacLean was also absent.  Word was he may have been taking the opportunity to meet with the leaders on this team to discuss the issues this team is having.  A lengthy conversation, you would think.  Couple changes to the Ottawa line up.  Marc Methot and Matt Kassian draw in, Patrick Wiercioch and Cory Conacher join Eric Gryba in the pressbox.  We’ll have to wait till game time to see how MacLean lines his team up.

Craig Anderson gets the start in the Ottawa goal.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    WHAT. IS. THE. POINT. OF. MATT. KASSIAN.

    Paul Maclean is an idiot. HE DOESN’T HELP US WIN GAMES FOR GOODNESS SAKE!

    • SensChirp

      I actually think he does help us win games. Maybe not Kassian himself, but his presence in the line up does. With Kassian there, MacLean has a tendency to lean more on his top two lines, which is a good thing.

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        But he can do this without Kassian in.

        • SensChirp

          I think Kassian for two minutes is more useful than Conacher for two minutes.

          • CUP 2014-15

            lol

        • sprucesens

          he can, but with kassian in it forcs him to. When he isn’t he has the option to play others, and it never works

      • boom

        Disagree. It’s only a good thing if your top two lines are both producing with any consistency.
        Kassian does not help us win games.

    • Randy Cunneyworth

      shortens the bench and can change up line combo’s while he is sitting on the bench (after he has played his 1-2 minutes

  • Millennium

    Who exactly are the “leaders” and “leadership” that keep getting mentioned? Honestly curious. Obviously Spezza, probably Phillips, maybe Neil, but who else? Who was being called out when they said leadership wasn’t good enough?

  • CUP 2014-15

    enough ALREADY…..Trade or waive Eric Gryba. Lord knows it’s obvious this team doesn’t need a 6’4″ 230 lb Defensmen who takes away the center of the ice, it’s not like the opposition has been walking down main street to get their chances, oh wait yes they are. This young mans career is being toasted by this management and if he can’t draw into the line-up after the crap we have seen then why the hell is he here? Lets keep making it easier on other teams forwards to drive the middle of the ice, PW and JC have made big hits in open ice and down the middle they don’t often get knocked off the puck in the corner and would never allow other teams 225+ lb forwards hang around the net, oh damn ya right… . We will never be competitive dressing the softest D in the entire NHL. Unless coaching makes a move to make our team tougher to play against were just like Gryba’s career under this management. TOAST.

    • iKarly65

      What does Gryba have to do with the team’s struggles? He isn’t playing, hasn’t played in a while. Does it really matter that he’s sitting? The Sens aren’t going to use an extra roster spot jsut to sit another player.

      • Millennium

        That’s exactly what they are doing, and that’s the OP’s point. Gryba isn’t playing, and CUP is arguing that he should be, because his play style, when he’s playing well, is exactly what we are looking for.

        Instead he gets scratched repeatedly despite showing signs of improvement.

        Personally, I would rather see Gryba in than PW46 on a given night, or in for Corvo tonight since PW46 is sitting already.

        • iKarly65

          Sorry that his post was laced with sarcasm, I read Trade/Waive Gryba and assume he doesn’t want him on the team.

          Kind of funny that when he is in the line-up, he still gets complained about. Are you one of those guys that complains about him when he plays too?

          • CUP 2014-15

            with it being sarcasm it makes sense. I just hate watching young players careers ruined and never thought that Mac would want a mobile no hit D as his back end. The tough part for the kid is they only play him once a week and expect him to be up to the pace and tempo of in game action, it’s a joke.

          • iKarly65

            I don’t think that the Sens expected that their vets would have problems, that their expected 4/5/6 guys would struggle, or that their young Bingo players would be better options.

            They aren’t going to waive Gryba – they’ve tried trading him. Despite your feelings of him, he’s pretty average (in so far as every team has a guy like that).

            Corvo shouldn’t be re-signed – not because he isn’t good, but we have guys that can replace him and need to play.

            I’m almost thinking that if Phillips is let go, that opens up another spot. Good move or bad move, the Sens have more players than spots.

            If you go into next year with Karlsson/Methot/Cowen as your confirmed 3 starting 6, then you have spots for 3 of Ceci, Gryba, Weircioch and Borowiecki.

            Eventually some of these guys will want to move on if they aren’t moving up.

          • CUP 2014-15

            I agree with you and please understand that’s it’s not so much him (Gryba} as it is not playing toughness. Yes I would like to see him get a chance but Boro is just as good of an option. I have said numerous timed that we should waive him because we will not use him and they need Boro to then be called up and put in. It’s the Toughness that I want to see.

      • CUP 2014-15

        What are you talking about, the fact that he is not playing is one of the reasons the D is so soft, This team is getting very close to being able to play in the SEL. Next thing you know they will trade MM for MDZ and then we can dress 5 offensive minded D. That’s what not playing him means, get it together. Yes it matters that he is sitting, young players need to play to develop and he has 17 game of hockey this year, and what the hell does use an extra roster spot just to sit another player mean? that you believe PW or Corvo have been able to play D and you would not want to sit them. I am not understanding what your trying to say.

        • iKarly65

          “I am not understanding what your trying to say.”

          Same here! Rather than be passively sarcastic why don’t you just say explicitly what you mean, rather than typing one large ranting paragraph?

          • CUP 2014-15

            PLAY A TOUGHER D
            WAIVE THIS GUY IF YOUR NOT GOING TO PLAY HIM
            WERE TOO SOFT ON THE BACK END…
            Would point form be better for you?

          • Hax

            So you’re dating Eric Gryba? Were you the same guy that was dating Robin Lehner last year and telling everyone that he was getting mad in Bingo?

          • CUP 2014-15

            No I am sure he’s just thrilled

    • SenaTHOR

      Why pay for what you can get free at some point?

      • CUP 2014-15

        Ten just waive him and call up Boro, at least this team gets some damn toughness on the backend.

        • SenaTHOR

          He’s cheap insurance and we know cheap is important around here. They know they will lose him on waivers or he would have been sent down a long time ago. Teams are not stupid. They know we are not committed to him. Waivers are in the magic ball at some point….free. Shades of Jimmy O’Brien except this kid can play. Its all about developing “your” high draft picks and EG is the odd man out. Remember this is a meat market and they specialize in prime rib even though its utility grade.

          • CUP 2014-15

            lol, you are correct, however they have to be asking too much for him as he will never get past the Leafs when the wire hits their position and other teams are looking for stay at home, tough as nails D so I am sure there are teams ahead of T.O. in the standing that know this and understand that their claim would not work. There is a market for him if they want to go that route. As far as saving money, keeping him or Boro amount to the same cost and you can now play Boro and use Corvo as was intended, a 7th D, in place of PW or whomever game in and game out.

          • SenaTHOR

            This way Boro continues to develop in the A and Gryba rots on the press box. Bm’s plan is working out.

          • CUP 2014-15

            Agreed but I am not sure it’s BM that is choosing to go with 4 offensive minded D or sitting MM last night

          • SenaTHOR

            He will move on somewhere. He still gets paid. I hope that it doesn’t come back and haunt us.
            It is obvious he’s not in our plans. Playind the PW and JOEC are points based, points for only.

          • CUP 2014-15

            It will if he ends up in our division. I can just see him in that ugly blue and white knocking sens on their asses for the next few years and that would really hurt. Did you see Brown slow to get up and holding his shoulder when we played LA, that’s just the way this kid hits. The hit in the play-offs last year…clean solid open ice hit, that’s what he does,

          • SenaTHOR

            Paul wants speed like PW46 blazing(hyperbole) up the ice and taking 80ft slappers or Smoking Joe getting run over in the corners. It has NOTHING to do with defence. If it did he would be in. He has his 3 defensive guys, Cowen Methot and Phillips. and 4 offensive PMD in Karlsson, Wiercioch Ceci and Corvo. Like it or not Gryba has to wait for an injury. The real writing on the wall will be if Boro gets called up ahead of him.

          • CUP 2014-15

            you tell the truth, As much as sport changes, you have 6 defenders and only 2 or 3 that can defend, that doesn’t work. All the top teams have four guys that can defend and work the PK.

          • sens23

            gryba has 1 career NHL fight (didnt fair so well), is around 2 hits a game while playing 15 minutes. so if you work it out thats a hit every 15 shifts. doesnt scream tough as nails to me

          • CUP 2014-15

            Young players need to play and young fans need to watch. He had 4 hits last game played, most among the D core. He led the team with 6 v Buff. Try to follow the reasoning here. He can’t be expected to be at his best when he doesn’t play. He is the all time PIMs leader for Boston U. He has been among the PIM leaders in Bingo. Toughness is also knocking guys on their ass in front of the net. If your judging his ability to drop the mitts, good on you to look at the one fight when he caught an edge and went down. Why did nobody on Montreal go after him when they were here and the game was out of reach

          • sens23

            were those pims he took for roughing, charging, boarding? or were they for stick penalties. dont go making out a very big but very average 6th-7th dman on every team in the NHL into the next chris pronger. and at 25 there isnt much room left if any until his ceiling.

          • CUP 2014-15

            All time PIMS Leader and they are all stick violations…Enough said, enjoy the game but when the Panthers are controlling the centre of the ice and knocking our D out of the way in front of the net. Don’t go screaming for toughness it’s being wasted in the press box and with Boro in Bingo

          • SenaTHOR

            Big George Parros was as tough as nails, now look at him. I would much rather see an on ice tough as compared to in the penalty box tough. Fighting is done. One death, one law suit…done anyway.

    • Jacques

      I know, I guess i’m missing something – how has Gryba been bad!

      • CUP 2014-15

        I don’t think he has. I have liked his game and believe he would be very good if they would let him play. My problem is with them not using him. He can’t be expected to play his best when he sees game action once a week if that. I just believe that when a player has paid his dues and is 25 with less then 50 NHL games, he needs to play or move him. I don’t like watching careers being ruined.

    • Senatollah

      Again? really. Talk to Eric and ask him what the coach says, have him repeat it a few times then do it next time he plays. Finish your check, finish your check. Not dont finish your check so you can join the rush, finish your check, then join the rush.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Maclean said that Marc Methot “needs to be more consistent”. Hmmmm. He hasn’t be great, but he’s probably been one of the more consistent players on the team. How is Patrick Wiercioch been anymore consistent that Methot? Anderson? Spezza?

    • SensChirp

      More to coaching than what we see in the games.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Maclean is an idiot.

    • KJ

      Players need to execute on the ice. So, your calling a Jack Adams trophy winner an idiot. Interesting…

      • iKarly65

        Yes, cause putting bottom 6 players in the top 6 an expecting them to produce is clearly working?

      • TookieIs100PercentRight

        Some of Jack Adams Boy’s decisions this year:
        Dressing Kassian, at all. He can’t produce, is a negative possession player.
        Revolving door of wingers for Spezza.
        Benching Lehner after he was Player of the Week.
        Line blender, only the Turris-Mac-Ryan line has been consistent.
        Ryan little power play time last game, if any. He even complained about it.
        Playing Neil on the powerplay.
        Taem goes down a goal, plays Neil line.
        Citing the team as unprepared when it’s his job to prepare them.
        Not playing Methot when he stated he was ready to play.
        And on and on and on…
        MacLean looks lost out there.

        • Senatollah

          Some of Jack Adams Boy’s decisions this year:
          Dressing Kassian, at all. He can’t produce, is a negative possession player. -Sens have good record when he plays, Sens used to have McGratton, you know the guy who dropped his stick when he was on the only breakaway of his career (priceless skankbank memory)
          Revolving door of wingers for Spezza. – MM9 knee operation not as successful, came back too slow to be useful. Coach Mac likes pair, not threesomes, so with MM9 not a could pair for Spez what do you expect
          Benching Lehner after he was Player of the Week. -Shows loyalty in his number one, shouldnt lose your spot because you were injured. Do you remember the CC win and your in days…you really want that??!!??
          Line blender, only the Turris-Mac-Ryan line has been consistent. – sure
          Ryan little power play time last game, if any. He even complained about it. – team scored two PP goals – IN THE SAME GAME!!!! whaaaaa #trustache
          Playing Neil on the powerplay. -in front of the NET on the Greening goal whaaaaa
          Taem goes down a goal, plays Neil line. -get some energy from the team
          Citing the team as unprepared when it’s his job to prepare them. – honest assessment
          Not playing Methot when he stated he was ready to play. -i think there might have been more to it than that, especially with the different pairings last night, might have wanted one more night to try things out with Ceci there
          And on and on and on…
          MacLean looks lost out there. -agree to disagree, he finds his spot between the players and the boards each period, doesnt bump into the assistant coaches or trainers too much, although, his whiteboard skills could use an update

      • Tooks

        Players need to execute the COACHES plan, maybe the plan needs to change.

        • boom

          This is closer to the truth than most are willing to admit, I’m afraid.

    • Doc

      Pot, meet kettle.

  • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

    I just turned down free 100 level seats for tonight….. Man oh man I have never been so disappointed and disinterested in watching a game in easily 10 years.

    • Luc Wolfe

      its one thing of losing a game with an effort it’s another thing when the effort isn’t even there.

      • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

        Exactly… No word of a lie I live about a ten minute drive away, and the hassle of leaving the parking lot and dealing with the crowds outweighed any possible(however unlikely) enjoyment I may have gotten from going

        • DJKALLS

          What a childish attitude. How old are you?

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            How is it a childish attitude… That my evening will be far superior staying home, spending it and watching at least some of the game with my wife and kids than being aggravated by the pissed off crowds at the game after we lose?

          • DJKALLS

            Wah Wah my team is slumping, let me cry myself to sleep. Nice fair-weather fans we have in this city.

          • Sandy

            Too many fair weather fans in this City… but that’s their choice.
            They don’t want to spend their hard earned money on a team that doesn’t appear they want to come to play.
            Now.. I go win or lose.. struggle or not.. but that’s just me.
            Fans speak with their $$.. if they don’t like the product, they won’t spend..

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            Hahaha did you even read the initial post…they were FREE tickets.

            And before you idiots start claiming I am a fair weather fan….maybe just maybe get the facts(or read everything)….If I were a fair weather fan would I have bought 6 sets of tickets already this year, two jerseys for myself, and two for my kids?!?! I have worked already 55 hours since Monday…but yes, because I don’t want to go to a game I am a fair weather fan.

            The problem with the fans in this city is that they are pretentious pricks….hence the dumbasses that cry when people stand up for more than 15 seconds after a goal, or during a fight.

            Asshats

          • CUP 2014-15

            I want them to win but that’s not the main reason I buy tickets and go to games. I had seasons when we knew we were out of it before camp broke. They played their asses off and that’s all you want as a fan, winning is the bonus and what a great bonus it is. One of the best teams this city ever had was the one that made the play-offs for the first time and that team was not making it in the eyes of the talking heads.

          • Tcharger – Ryan-For-51

            wow I am so glad I didn’t listen to you idiots and spent time going to watch another game ruined by horrible officiating

          • DJKALLS

            Get a grip you tool. Keep complaining your way through life, I’m sure everyone around you loves it. Baby.

  • iKarly65

    I am seriously worried about MY team. This is the team I support. The team I cheer for. Regardless of the outcome, I sit painstakingly through all 60+ minutes. I fear the management/coaching is going to cause many good players to up and go.

    We have a history of running star players out of town. There’s enough speculation that Ryan will sign in Philly, don’t need to fuel the fire or give him any more reason by calling him out. Do we also want to run Spezza out of town? Sure, he’s struggling. Sure he’s not the perfect player. He’s no Toews, Stamkos, Tavares, etc. Not too many players are. But he’s what we got.

    I think, despite the fans wanting to replace the C, that the decision was rushed. Easily could have waited a season to see who steps up. Let the players that want it bad enough show they do.

    • Sandy

      No matter who was named captain it was going to be a struggle. It’s hard to follow in the footsteps of a team icon. a legacy player.
      In the past, the Sens always struggled without Alfie in the lineup.. and it certainly is continuing this season.
      Why shouldn’t the coach or the GM yell at the team… These guys are human and frustrated as the rest of us are…
      I don’t like Kassian in the lineup tonight. I’m worried that Andy will let in an early goal.. and we are in for a long night again.
      This team can be a very good one as evidenced in their win against LA…Boston and two against the Habs and Detroit.
      For the life of me… I can’t understand how they can be so good one game and suck the next. Are they that fragile of confidence that an early goal puts them off their game?
      And there sits Florida rested… for the 3rd game in a row. Both Mtl & Tor were on back to backs against Florida as well… They will come out and jump all over the Sens to start the game..
      Going to the game… hoping they win.
      As bad as they have been… they are 3 pts out of a playoff spot… along with about 4 or 5 other teams. Tor & Det are struggling as well… and they have let the ‘pack’ catch up.. They are not safe either…

      • CUP 2014-15

        Well said Sandy, lots of hockey left but after last nights effort they should not be tired, Jet legged maybe but not too many bumps and bruises.

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    This being my first post on this site. I will be as respectful to all you but reading through most of the posts in the last post everyone seems frustrated, I am indeed but you guys are little too harsh with the comments, we have our problems (Defense, Cowen and Phillips) (Leadership, Spezza-I am disappointed in him but will always be a fan) but every team has their problems. Lets just say things could be worse and we are close enough to make a run for the playoffs, too early to give up. They need some work but I have a weird feeling they will turn it around. Go sens Go
    PS stop being so negative

    • CUP 2014-15

      Welcome Moudy,
      Almost everyone on here still believes in this team but I for one will not sit by and wait until March to complain about what seems to be problem areas for our beloved Sens.

  • Sicilian

    I’m not worried about winning this game at all. Really, I’m not. We’re definitely going to win and I’m willing to bet anyone.
    It’s the game after this one that I’m worried about… *sigh*

  • my2sens

    I will probably get a lot of votes down, however I feel a BIG issue with our team is that we are afraid to hurt players feelings and that we are always trying to accommodate the player, NOT the team.

    We gave the ‘C’ to a fantastic player, but was that to keep him here? He isn’t a leader.

    We are giving big minutes to the Big Rig and yet he is slowing down each game. I want to keep him around as he is solid most game, but not at the cost of other defencemen getting less ice time.

    We sit players or send them to Binghampton when they are easily the best we have and don’t sit those that need to.

    **I truly believe in this team, and still say that a trade is not needed. Rather we need accountability and to hand the ‘C’ over to someone else.**

    The other issue I still have is with the PP coach. Our PP is done and crap and has been for some seasons. We need to change that up and start getting some goals when we have an advantage.

    GO SENS GO!!!!

    • Senatollah

      Agree on PP comment. It needs a new look fast. Heck just do the give it to player 65 worked better than the current setup.

    • Harv

      I am new here as well and I share your view of the Senators. I don’t get them on TV here and I hunker on down with TSN 1200 and listen on the radio. It reminds me of my Foster Hewett days. The Sens are my team and I just do not understand why decisions are being made the way they are. I am against a trade. We have some good players and some will develop into top line NHL’ers. But, management seems to be floundering more than the team.

      • CUP 2014-15

        Welcome Harv,
        Foster Hewett ? maybe we now have someone older then me LOL. I would have went to Dick Irvin LOL. You will find a lot of angst here as most are Sens fans that love our team but will not sit back and watch them falter over and over again without questioning why ? There are some trolls ( fans of other teams) That show up to stir the pot. Lets go get two pts tonight.

  • my2sens

    Looking at the glass being half full though, should the Sens make the playoffs with home ice advantage, we will make the finals!! Win one, lose one….

    • Jacques

      Haha – but they can’t win at home!

      • my2sens

        Yeah and once we make the finals… against a Western team….

        *pop* there goes that dream

    • LeafsSux

      Playoffs?!! Did you say Playoffs?!!

    • Hax

      I don’t want to get into a big math lesson, but if we follow “win one, lose one” we’ll be out in the second round. Not sure what home ice has to do with your theory though so maybe I’m missing something.

      • my2sens

        Well then I don’t know. Why is everyone raining on my damn parade huh!? Just trying to make things a little happier eh!? lol

    • Tooks

      Following your theory, win one lose one, we wont make the playoffs to begin with.

      • RUSH RLZ

        Hey now, it’s possible! Look at teams we are chasing, your beloved Leafs for example only have 3 regulation Ws in more than 20 games!

        • Sandy

          The difference in the standings between the Sens and the Leafs is that they have 3 more shootout wins…
          3 regulation wins in 19 games is nothing for Leaf fans to brag about..

  • esk

    Ever since spezza was chosen over phillips…lets say phillips is bitter..cause he also wanted to be captain…how would that affect the locker room? What if a few guys felt like phillips should be captain?

    • Senatollah

      it wouldn’t, they are pro’s and always playing for their next contract. Better to be better and make more elsewhere if you don’t like it here then stink it up an no one wants you.

    • Hax

      For the sake of discussion, let’s assume Spezza was a bad choice as captain and not that it’s just him struggling like the rest of the team etc. (I’m still of the opinion that he can mature through this.)

      That means that MacLean/Murray either completely misread the room in terms as you describe. i.e. they thought Spezza was popular with the players and that everyone would support him etc. Seems unlikely but not impossible.

      Or maybe they knew Phillips was the better choice or more popular choice with the players but they had other reasons to put the C on Spezza. The only really logical reason for that would be if they think it will make him easier to resign going forward. I would hope that’s not the reason because A) that’s a shitty way to choose your captain and B) I sincerely hope Spezza isn’t the type to say “make me captain or I walk”. Not sure about that possibility either.

      Or maybe Phillips was their first choice but they felt that was only a one year solution and then they’d be back to square one with another new captain (maybe even Spezza). If that was their thinking then better to work the kinks out now I guess.

  • Michenator

    I know the last couple years we were winning more but I feel like moral is at an all time low(as it should be) but I feel like that’s playing against us pretty hard. We were starting to become a team known for a great locker room. What do you think are the main reasons for the change, besides losing (big contributor I bet) and Alfie and Gonchar?

    • my2sens

      I don’t think it’s a locker room problem, per say. I think it’s morale and psychological. Last night, yes we surrendered one goal early, but then to have not one, but two blatantly missed calls resulting in two goals?

      Shit like that screws with your head. We are fighting to win, fighting ourselves and now we have to fight against refs…

      Had those two goals not been counted due to a penalty being called, I think we could have rallied and won and today we would all be singing a different tune.

      • hq8

        that would have been the narrative if the game ended 4-2. but what ticked off Maclean more probably is allowing that 5th goal right after we get to within 2 with 11 minutes to go.
        i dont think there is a more incriminating shift for Chris Neil. Also, the Jagr goal was pretty weak too and they cant blame cowen for it, he took out the guy he was supposed to take out.

        • my2sens

          True. And looking at last year’s club, we were able to bury deep and find a way to win regardless of situations.

          This year we are looking for ways to lay the blame of yet another loss.

      • Tooks

        “Shit like that screws with your head. We are fighting to win, fighting ourselves and now we have to fight against refs…”

        Every team does, stop using that as an excuse.

    • runningbear1974

      Alfie and Gonchar…. Versus… Spezza and Phillips…

      • LeafsSux

        Ill take that any day…

  • hq8

    maclean: “if guys go out and scored, we put them back on the ice.”
    and the noise from the sens B.S mountain grows louder…….

  • Hax

    Take away the captain that many people (outside Ottawa mostly) undervalued as a leader. (EDIT: Not only “take away” but drag him through the mud on the way to a division rival.) Take away all adversity in the form of key injuries that forced everyone to play desperate every shift and motivate mid-level players to excel. Add in two goalies coming back down to Earth from their unbelievable seasons last year (one more than the other).

    Do that and you have what we see this year. Shouldn’t be a big shock to anyone really though I’m sure Murray/MacLean hoped it wouldn’t be quite this bad or last quite this long.

    My only concern is that I want this team to dig THEMSELVES out of this mess before Murray feels pressure to make a trade he’d rather not make. It would be one thing to take less for Michalek or Corvo than he hoped he’d get but if he has to trade away someone who was expected to be a Senator going past this year that would be unfortunate.

    • my2sens

      That’s what scares me. Trading away a future asset for a compress to stop the bleeding.

      Here’s to the Sens getting their heads out of their asses!

      • Hax

        Next 10 hours are key. Hopefully Murray’s not that desperate yet or if he is hopefully he can’t pull any triggers he’d regret before the roster freeze.

        • my2sens

          We need a BIG win tonight. Something solid and tangible, not a squeak by win. 4-1 or 5-1 would be fantastic and someone getting a hatty to give the team something to cheer about.

          • Hax

            For the fan base yes but for the coaches and Murray I imagine they’d be fine winning 1-0 or 5-4 if we actually play a full 60 minutes they way they’re supposed to. No lapses in intensity. But yeah, best of both worlds would be winning 5-0 with a 60 minute effort.

        • Tooks

          Why would he regret anything? You have no idea what he would trade and what would be the return.

    • RUSH RLZ

      I’m not buying this for a split second Hax – not even close.

      Barring horrendous injury luck AND Alfie bigger negative impact than anticipated AND both goalies returning to mortal performance levels AND players tuning out The Stache, I never ever would have seen this shit show coming. And we sure have been lucky on the injury front, that’s for sure.

      No this is far worse than most anyone would have imagined. And it’s largely inexplicable, not tangibly obvious.

      • runningbear1974

        I think it is explicable… The problem is people don’t want to hear the explanation…
        In my opinion it is not what we took away that’s the problem… It’s what we added…. Spezza and Phillips…. Versus…. Alfie and Gonchar….
        Alfie had work ethic…. Gonchar had wisdom…

      • Sandy

        We all saw that young defense and quite a few were on here saying that could be really scary… and it has been.
        Sens needed that top 4 D to pair with Cowen leaving Wiercioch with Philllips..
        The loss of Alfie is at the feet of Melnyk and no one else.

  • luckan20

    I am little surprised Wiercioch being sidelined. In last 5 games, he has scored two PP goals and have assisted in 3 of the goals too. All his assists are primary. Panthers have been lucky in their road since they have been playing the 2nd half of the back to back games. They beat Habs and Leafs where both teams travelled and has to come to play against a visiting team, which is already enjoying the city life. Similarly, they were in Ottawa from yesterday morning and waiting for us.
    One more interesting news that Panthers have won 6 of their last 8.

    • Hax

      Wiercioch has struggled a lot even in games that he’s scored. He’s good for a couple of turnovers per game (not that he’s alone in that). He seems (to me anyway) to be stuck between trying to be Erik Karlsson and Jared Cowen. He needs to find his own identity. Someone asked how much we miss Gonchar this year – I think Wiercioch misses him most of all.

      • SenaTHOR

        PW makes a few good plays on the PP and a good stretch pass once a game. Other than that he’s a liability in the defensive end.

    • Tooks

      I know, its just ridiculous, remove a guy who produces points and leave the guys that dont produce points and cant stop anything either. Atleast PW46 was scoring and setting up people.

      Phillips I guess he can stay for Ceci’s sake but Cowen…Not only does he not give anything offensively, he’s also terrible at preventing goals.

    • hq8

      i think he got a little banged up near the end of the 2nd there. seemed to be ok in the third and with that pass to MM9.
      this team’s management and coaching needs to look itself in the mirror before it calls out the players. right now, their is some blame that can go to the players, but there is definitely significant blame to throw on the coaching and management. to give a few examples:
      1. the messy messy treatment of Zibanejad. even after he has been producing consistently and repeatedly ever since he got called up last season. the fact that he hasnt thrown a hissy fit like yakupov yet speaks volumes of how much of a mishandling the sens coaching and management group has doled out on this guy.
      2. lineup choices. the decision to not sit cowen early on when he was really struggling defintiely was a factor in costing games. now that he was forced to sit two due to suspension, you can see a difference in play. but its too late.
      3. mishandling Gryba – a guy who basically was a key key part of making the playoffs and anchoring the blueline with Methot.
      4. mishandling methot now.
      5. mishandling spezza’s wingers. condra, conacher…..now Zack Smith.
      6. playing Chris Neil and Chris Phillips on the PPs.
      7. the still abysmal PP% – 18.9%. when you have Spezza, EK65, Ryan, Turris, Michalek, Zibanejad, MacArthur – the least they should be able to do is produce with the man up. but the coaching staff is unable to extract any semblance of advantage from a given advantage.

      • Sandy

        Dave Cameron doesn’t know how to run a capable PP in the NHL…
        How quickly would this defense turn around and play better if they brought up Luke Richardson to work with them?

  • Shibal

    After playing with every single winger on this team barring Kassian, now Maclean inserts Zack Smith on Spezza’s wing? WTF!

    What’s up with Maclean’s man crush on Zack Smith? Always Zack Smith has been able to get away with his mistakes; taking stupid penalties and such.

    • runningbear1974

      Yeah well seems like not easy to find linemates for Spezza…. I play hockey myself, and I just imagine how horrible it would be if he was my linemate… Any mistake I make would make would be exaggerated, and I would have to clean up any of his messes… He doesn’t do any of the support work, any of the little things to help your linemates…
      Is there anyone out there that enjoys playing with Spezza…. Anyone that looks forward to it… I was even joking around that MacArthur has been looking more angry lately playing with Spezza, and please put him back with Turris….
      Oh, a possible solution to the Spezza problem… Maybe play Turris with him…. Mac Spezz and Turris….
      Does anyone remember the last time Spezza was standing in front of the net, and someone passed him the puck, and then he one-timed it… Anyone remember that? For some reason that is not a behaviour that Spezza likes to do….

  • runningbear1974

    The fans were asked what they wanted… They said they wanted afternoon games… We got afternoon games… The fans didn’t show up… And the team sucks…. So, the fans don’t know what really matters… What the Fans want doesn’t necessarily correspond to what is best for the team… Don’t trust who the fan favourites are… Lots of teams have stuck with people that ultimately were not good enough… Joe Thorton did play for Boston, then they traded him away, and since then they have a great team…. A team team, not a Thorton team… Just saying….

    • FBP

      I didn’t ask for afternoon games. I doubt the Fans did.

      • runningbear1974

        I forget where I saw/heard that… But, yes apparently the Sens asked for afternoon games… People wanted to bring their kids to the games…

        • CUP 2014-15

          I am not 100% sure but may have been Youst that I read afternoon games allowed them to make more money for the broadcast, something to do with being able to use local networks ???

          • Colin

            Yup. The Sens get a cut from the SNET games. If the games start after 3pm, the rights go to CBC who don;t kick anything to the Sens.

          • CUP 2014-15

            thx

          • Sandy

            You mean ‘Leafs TV’ doesn’t give the Sens any $$$? Surprise, surprise…

          • Hax

            That would support Melnyk’s comment of “attendance is down but revenue is up”.

            I HATE the schedule this year. Not only do we have the compressed schedule for the Olympics but too many odd start times and Mondays etc. But that’s what you get when you’re not a big TV draw. If the Sens were cup contenders we’d be on every Saturday night.

  • luckan20

    Paul MacLean should take ownership of his line juggling and timing of send the players. I still can’t figure out after the shorthand goal in the 1st period, Ottawa still had 1.06 minutes in clock, but PM decided to throw in Smith, Neil and Greening, where Turris, Ryan and Zibanjaad are seated and well rested.
    In other words combined 31 goals scorers are in the bench during PP, while combined 12 goals scorers wasting precious 1.06 minutes on ice. It is pathetic. We all know what type goals Neil and Greening scores usually.

    • WolfInSheepsClothes

      PP wasn’t clicking so he tried something else (which ended up working later in the game – see: Greening’s goal)…

      A goal is a goal is a goal. Doesn’t matter how it comes or who scores it. Usually PK’s are set up to deal with “finesse” type players and plays. Throwing some guys out there who will crash and bang near the net can wear down the PKillers and give our finesse guys room to play on the next line change.

    • Hax

      The Smith line always gets sent out after a goal against. Because they work hard. On that shortie the guys on the ice acted like “okay it’s our PP, give it back now”.

  • my2sens

    And with Smith on Spezza’s wing, strange, yet at least the guy shoots!!

  • Sandy

    Lehner best described the play by this team that has been going on for most of the season… ‘non-chalent’..

    I found this comment on a Yost article on HB… Some of his points are valid…
    =====================

    Other than Spezza (who deserves everything he gets from the fans, management and media at this point) and Michalek (playing on one leg), who has been bad this season?

    The KIDS. We are talking about the 2nd youngest team in the league, here. Of course they are going to be inconsistent.

    I find it baffling that McLean, Murray and Melnyk are shocked by this.

    Other than Karlsson, all of our D are playing one spot ahead of where they should be.
    Methot is really a #3
    Cowen,Weir,Phillips,Corvo all really #5-6.

    We don’t have a #2 or a # 4 on this team. Guys are being thrown in positions to FAIL miserably and when they do, the coach and management rips them apart.

    As for the forwards.
    Conacher.. who couldn’t see this coming?
    Greening… same
    Neil.. guy’s been regressing for years now
    Condra was never great

    Let’s be honest and call a spade a spade here. Ottawa is a young team and the coach, owner, GM AND fans are expecting too much out of their guys.

    Mac should be patting guys on the back (other than Spezza) and telling them how great they are doing.. not ripping them up before benching them.

    Melnyk needs to shut his mouth about how great we are and open his wallet to give us some help on D.

    Murray should be no where near the dressing room (Unless its to tell Spezza he has been traded).

    This is not the way you treat a rebuilding team full of young 1st, 2nd and 3rd year players

    • sprucesens

      while I agree on some parts, the “kids” part is the thing I don’t like. Aside from conacher, all the young guys are our best players, by far. Turris, Zibanejad, Ryan, Karlsson. Some younger guys haven’t been good, cowen, weircioch, conacher. Cowen is improving, gryba gets no ice time, but plays decent when in. Conacher try’s hard every shift, but just never gets anything accomplished. Its the vets that have been terrible this year. Spezza, Phillips, Anderson, greening, condra. I won’t go on to list the why’s. Greening is the only guy who has picked up his play as of late. The rest are still MIA

  • SenaTHOR

    It’s not who is on the power play folks. If ya know hockey you know that it’s the movement the creates openings. Look at the teams that score on us. It’s movement and drive that causes break downs. Our power play is all peripheral to set up the offside one timer. A pee wee team is more creative.

    • my2sens

      “It’s not who is on the power play… it’s the movement…”

      Then it DOES matter who is on the PP as not everyone can create those openings and move quickly to get to open ice etc.

      • SenaTHOR

        What Im saying is we don’t cycle, we play on the outside. Hell if Kassian, Neil and Condra would move and cycle they could play the PP and do as good of job. Its a taught skill. Yes skating helps but we play outside positioning . Hell Terry Fox could have defended against us. You need to move to create an error from the coverage. Simple BOX coverage is effective against us. Why? We don’t break down the coverage.

        • boom

          Terry Fox reference? Classy.

          • SensFanInMTL

            I’m hoping it’s more of a compliment towards Terry. But I may be reading that the wrong way. Terry is a fuckin a champion.

          • SenaTHOR

            Get over it!

  • Hax

    I’ve long defended the power play coach (Dave Cameron) since he’s also the guy that delivered one of the league’s best penalty kills last year (not to mention our PP was missing key guys all last year).

    But I think it’s time to take a hard look at it. Our kill last year got a huge boost by some great goaltending (though the players did a good job as well) so that argument holds less water. And with the talent we have our PP should be one of our best strengths.

    I wonder if the whole “200 foot game” thing is muddying up Spezza’s and Karlsson’s creativity on the man advantage.

    • SenaTHOR

      First Spezza has never played a 200 ft game and he never works too hard coming back so I don’t think it is affecting him on the PP. Maybe the Captain thing is FKING him up but hard work doesn’t seem to be.

      • Hax

        Not suggesting he IS playing 200 ft, but he has been asked to change his game and he’s clearly having trouble with it. Does he figure it out eventually and become a more complete player? I think he can, but not sure if he will.

  • SensFanInMTL

    So many angry comments and replies….

    • Eugenius

      Apparently Paul wants to see some anger…he should spend a few minutes on here

    • sprucesens

      until the team puts up 3 or more wins in a row, don’t expect it to change. That would be no different in any other building in the league. Its unacceptable. If you accept it, you become complacent in that attitude and think, meh, we’ll win the next one. You need guys like karlsson, not just because of his skill, but because you can see how frustrated he gets when one play doesn’t go right. Even if they are winning and doing well. He wants every shift to be better than the last, and always improve. And he has the talent to go out there and do it. The rest of the team needs to follow suit. And yes, he has had his poor play this year as well. He was just an example of the good attitude

      • SensFanInMTL

        Lazar in the near future will be our saviour! He apparently plays a ’200 foot game’ as the peeps here have referred to.

        That was well said. Unfortunately, it may appear that many of the guys on our team have been or have already let go of the gas pedal. meanwhile, you and I as fans sit here, while we argue amongst ourselves.

        I obviously don’t mean you and I personally are arguing. Just for a sake to comment on.

        • sprucesens

          lol, yeah, but at least its fun, and something to do. My wife made fun of me yesterday. I always tell her to stop facebooking and all that crap. She told me to stop going on hockey forums. And here I am… And i’m sure she just updated her status.
          I do look forward to lazar. I will try and go to a few oil kings games this year to see how he looks, as i’m in the Edmonton area. Cheap too, like 20 bucks and you can have great seats.

  • Eugenius
    • sprucesens

      price would be too high. We’d just be giving up the future. I’d like Callahan though. Michalek, greening and stone? Might be enough to get it done, but the rangers couldn’t take that much salary back. ….anywho, dream on johnny

    • esk

      id take both

  • RUSH RLZ

    Okay ladies, enough of the shit show that has been the past 20 hours, Let’s get’er done!

    *pulls the Neiler jersey over his head*

  • Righteous Smoke

    Ok, what team is gonna show up tonight???
    If BM’s post game meeting doesn’t change things around right away, pretty sure BM will be changing the team.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    This is a must win.

    Go Sens

  • Deadly

    This season makes me understand what it is like to be a Leafs fan. It truly sucks but I was pleased to see yesterday’s melt down.
    Now it is time to clean the slate , look for the positives and continue year 3 of the remake. Bingo needs to start winning again as it holds some of the pieces that we will use going forward.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Lines are

    9-19-15

    16-7-6

    14-93-22

    28-44-25

    Like the top 9. Feel bad for Pag

    • Luc Wolfe

      wouldnt be surprise to see 15 and 44 switch here and there.

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        Ya knowing Mac these will all change sometime soon after puck drop. The guy loves playing musical chairs with the line combinations.

  • Aaron 2.0

    My comments are getting shorter as the season goes on. It’s all been said before. Very briefly, i’m in hate with the lines tonight. Smith is not a first line player. He’s not a puck possession guy. And, he’s only okay defensively (so not really a good choice if the idea was to insulate Spezza). I have no clue what he’s doing on L1. Zibanejad was one of the few players who showed up last night. I guess that’s why he’s on L3. Maybe the sens win tonight. But, i’ve said it before. These sort of line combinations are not a recipe for long term success…

    • Richard Gough

      Well said

  • Eugenius

    …I don’t understand why this team can’t score on 2-on-1′s. Unfortunately I live in Toronto and watch too many leafs games, and holy fuck they play those way better than we do. Drives me nuts…

  • SensFanInMTL

    Do not expect a trade to happen following tonight’s game, boys.

    • esk

      ???

      • SensFanInMTL

        Que ce qu’il y a?

        • Luc Wolfe

          STOP TELLING THE THRUTH!

          • SensFanInMTL

            On va attend longtemps avant qeqchose arrive.

          • Luc Wolfe

            au moins on sait que kovalev reviendra pas

          • TookieIs100PercentRight

            Kovalev etait cool au moins, je l’ai rencontre a Montreal un soir, super chic type…

          • Luc Wolfe

            peut etre mais sa glace yetais souvent pas la

  • Eugenius

    that’s how you play an odd man rush boys, take note.

  • karlssens

    Lmao Corvo looked abysmal on that play. Poor guy has never gotten it down defensively in his career.

  • karlssens

    When Ottawa scores first in a game, that’s a small victory to me on it’s own. But alas, wishful thinking.

  • karlssens

    Sick siren. Guess it broke and Melynk didn’t wanna pay for that.

    • SensFanInMTL

      Given how cheap Melnyk is, this made me laugh.

  • Deadly

    Saving the siren til after the review

  • SensFanInMTL

    We sound biased when it comes to us scoring. But Neil was braking. When you brake with your skate, it’s only natural that the motion looks kicking.

    Oh good I hear the horn now.

    • Millennium

      I also feel like NHL players have learned how to “kick” without looking like a kick to get these kind of breaks.

      • Aaron 2.0

        I agree, these get tougher and tougher to call. I think they should just get rid of it. A commentator earlier this year (can’t remember who or what game I was watching) had it right I thought – If a D can kick the puck out of the blue paint, then why can’t you score by kicking it in. I’d just allow them all (take the subjectivity out of these calls). I really don’t think it would add much danger, if any.

        • Millennium

          I suspect they don’t want players kicking at pucks near the goalie, or waving sharp blades around in general.

          • Aaron 2.0

            I’m sure that’s what they’re worried about. But, D take swipes facing the other way towards players who have less equipment than tenders, and that’s fine. I think maybe just saying skate has stay on the ice for the goal to could would be safe enough. You’d get rid of the crazy differences you see with these calls from game to game.

          • Aaron 2.0

            “goal to could” suppose to be “goal to count”. oops!

  • SensFanInMTL
  • karlssens

    Oh god no.. I saw Ceci point.. Please do not learn from Phillips anymore lmao

    • T K

      Yeah, least thing you’d ever want are team mates communicating with each other during the play.

  • luckan20

    Smith as a winger to Spezza is a wrong choice

  • CUP 2014-15

    ZBAD gone to dressing room, looks like a shoulder

  • SensFanInMTL

    Dear Santa,
    Just a powerplay goal please. Nothing else.

    • SensFanInMTL

      Thank you Santa.

  • Deadly

    Quite nice

  • Eugenius

    nice when Jay decides to show up…man he’s talented

  • karlssens

    That was a beauty goal.. If only he could score em a little more often!

  • Aaron 2.0

    Pretty even period, I thought. Hopefully, that beauty by Spezza will give the team some swag for the remaining 40 mins.

    • Luc Wolfe

      hopefully we show up for the rest of the game

  • luckan20

    Captain’s goal. what a move. Folks, Zibanejaad didn’t return since the hit from Gudbranson.

  • T K

    Kypreos is a Sens hating asshole. Why do they keep shoving this jerk on us?

    • SensFanInMTL

      Cause Healy is already on CBC!

      • T K

        I wonder if the folks in Calgary, Edmonton and Vancouver also have to deal with similar shit like Healy & Kypreos or if we’re the only lucky ones

        • SensFanInMTL

          Are the intermissions for us in Eastern Ontario/ Quebec/ Maritimes the same as intermissions for West & Pacific? I think it’s like TSN where Duthie & the panel is shown all across the country. If that’s the case for Sportsnet, then the entire country once again gets to see what a tooldick looks like in Nick Kypreos.

          He is not to be totally blamed though. He has lost a few of his brain cells in an unfortunate accident years back.

          • T K

            Agreed about the brain damage….

            What I meant though is if, for example, Flames fans feel that some panelist or commentator is constantly whining about pointless Flames things while pumping up the glories that aren’t so glorious of the Canucks…

  • sben

    Wow. The panthers have resorted to using attractive models to selling jersies. that is pathetic

    • karlssens

      Pathetic? Or wonderful!?

  • SensFanInMTL

    Well that was awfully quick.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFoDq5zUW3o

  • T K

    Hope that Zibby’s shoulders are tougher than Regin’s or Winchester’s

  • Deadly

    MacArthur never coasts…always giving 100 percent

  • Aaron 2.0

    Not much going our way in the rest of the division tonight. MTL losing, but that’s about it. Hopefully PHX can come back against TOR in the 3rd.

  • T K

    Man, Corvo seems to be coasting

    • Luc Wolfe

      i saw that too …ill go get my stick slowllllly

      • Luc Wolfe

        slooooowly

    • Aaron 2.0

      He’s really struggling tonight. Cowen is looking much, much improved over the last 5 or so games.

  • Deadly

    Ceci is starting to look 19.

    • Aaron 2.0

      Seen the good and bad from him tonight. I’m really thrilled with his development so far though.

      • Deadly

        Agree 100 percent.Still in the top 4-5

  • Deadly

    Yotes tie it up.

    • Luc Wolfe

      so did philly …doh… buffalo leads over boston

  • Aaron 2.0

    Karl really struggling tonight. He needs to use the body. All these stick-checks are killing him right now.

  • T K

    It’s been a if the Sens have been killing a penalty for 5 minutes

    • Deadly

      Make it seven

  • Aaron 2.0

    Somehow, I doubt this was the game that management had in mind after last night’s meeting…

    • Sensturion

      The team isn’t playing poorly.

      • Aaron 2.0

        Maybe not getting horribly outplayed, but they were asleep for the first 10 minutes of the 1st and 3rd. Against other teams with finish…

  • sben

    toronto won

    • Aaron 2.0

      At least it wasn’t ROW.

    • Aaron 2.0

      Still some hope CGY can pull an upset on DET.

  • T K

    Toronto Turds got their 2 points. Booooo

  • sben

    maclean trying the 6-7-16 line again

    • SensChirp

      Last couple shifts have been good.

      • Luc Wolfe

        yeah

    • T K

      With Zbad out, he has to mix up the lines and double shift some guys

  • sben

    didn’t know clearing was so hard

  • Deadly

    Get the puck out

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    These guys are exhausted. Why in the world are there so many back to back games. Shouldn’t have to with an 82 game schedule.

    • CUP 2014-15

      Olympics

  • sben

    this is stupid

  • Luc Wolfe

    well we need a trade no matter what the outcome of this game

    • Luc Wolfe

      who disagreed with me on that… really this team needs a sparks and nothing is going right with the organisation. cant win more then 2 games… Ceci played a good game 2 games ago but whoever thinks one goal is a keeper is out of his mind… i like the kid but he still needs some games in the ahl. Corvo was impressing me earlier in the season… tonight i wanna waive him. now that would be stupid i know. but holy crap this team needed a shake up over a month ago

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    That’s a clear penalty.

  • Deadly

    Make up call but really too late.

  • Aaron 2.0

    Make-up call. This league is jokes.

  • SensFanInMTL

    Gotta love that hustle from Spezza. The boys are trying out there man. We’re getting screwed by the refs again.

    • jasonontheoldsenschirp

      Ya the guys are definitely trying. They’re absolutely exhausted though. And the refs aren’t helping.

    • Eugenius

      They work hard…but I still don’t find them to be all that threatening in the offensive zone

    • T K

      Tonight was the first time in years that Spezza looked like he was trying to carry the team. Good sign. Hope he keeps it up.

      • Eugenius

        one can only hope…

  • sben

    tradetradetradetradetradetradetradetradetradetradetradetrade

    • Sensturion

      These so-called NHL refs? I’m ALL for trading them.

      • sben

        didn’t you hear macleans comments after the private meeting. He said something to the effect of I don’t give a crap about the refs. We’re losing and that is all that matters.

        • Sensturion

          His reaction on the bench says otherwise, bud.

          • sben

            He can think something is unfair but that doesn’t mean that he doesn’t think his players aren’t playing well enough.

          • Sensturion

            Team didn’t play bad tonight. Non calls were the deciding factor tonight. Sorry to burst your bubble.

          • sben

            never said that the team played badly tonight. Personally I thought that they played pretty well overall but based on macleans earlier comments and how the team is doing overall in the standings I do’t think Maclean thinks his players are playing well enough.

  • jasonontheoldsenschirp

    Another missed call.

    • Aaron 2.0

      I don’t think so on that one. High risk play by Karl.

      • jasonontheoldsenschirp

        He didn’t fall on his own.

        • Aaron 2.0

          I thought it was a penalty at first. But, replay shows the guy defending has his stick on the ice to block shot or pass. 65 sort of just skates into it. If that was called against us we’d all be livid.

        • Aaron 2.0

          I’ve actually watched the replay on gamecenter a few times now. I actually think he does fall on his own before he even makes contact with the cat’s stick. It’s just a disappointing ending. What can you do? I think he’s just trying to hard to do too much there.

        • Tooks

          He’s pretty good at doing that recently, falling on his own.

  • sben

    game over

  • xiorcal

    Final score Ottawa 2 Florida 2 refs 2

  • SensFanInMTL

    This is absolute horseshit. If someone or many are the next to be shown the door it’s because of panic mode. The guys did well tonight. If it’s not the guys doing badly, the refs are here to rape us. It’s a conspiracy to prevent us from ever reaching the Cup I tell you. Plein marde.

    • Luc Wolfe

      florida was a bit better in my mind… we were on and off the last 2 period

  • Colin

    WTF? Are the Sens not making their bribery payments? Just whose dick do they have to suck in order to get a couple of calls made their way? Absolutely, completely unbelievable. If the refs make the call on the MM trip, the Sens were easily in that game.

    • Tooks

      Umm you do know that we still need to score on the PP, which has been brutal. Blaming the refs is always a losers excuse.

  • Moudy Mahfouz

    Positives but Damn..I actuallly have no words to describe How i feel..Tough loss. Refs..we just dont get the breaks

    • Tooks

      Want breaks, work harder, we dont work hard enough. Refs dont respect us, got to earn their respect.

  • xiorcal

    It suck, not a bad game by Anderson and good effort from the team for a second game in as many night. Really happy with Ceci (he was in my starting lineup with boro before murray went and got corvo)

  • Aaron 2.0

    Well, refs blow call against Michalek. But, really score is indicative of game. I thought FLA was slightly better than us tonight. A more complete effort by the cats. They played the whole game, I thought. We took long stretches of it off. Be interesting to see what management does now. I have to assume they didn’t just do a meeting to yell.

  • aegiszx

    Im not one to call out the refs usually… but holy aswfdasf. The non calls these past few games have been BRUTAL.

    What is the hiring process for NHL refs? So long as you can skate and breathe? WTF and I bet these guys make a lot of $$$ too!!!!

  • laffin681021

    This game: Sens 2 Panthers 2 Refs 2
    Last game: Sens 2 Devils 3 Refs 2

  • xN1Cx

    Been trying so hard to stay optimistic…but getting really tied of defending these guys.

  • Colin

    On the other side of the ref coin, the Leafs had a shootout goal reviewed where the puck was not seen over the line. The boys in the booth had a giggle and beer and called it a good goal anyway.

  • SensFanInMTL

    We’re all out of ideas and nothing is left. Chirp, you’re the only one left. Please bring us a playoff spot. We’ll discuss about the Cup at a later date.

  • Eugenius

    As shitty as the refs were, the boys should be able to score more than 2 goals against the devils and the panthers. Lack of creativity up front…very meat and potatoes. Lots of giveaways. At least Spezza will be in the running for goal of the year again I guess…..

  • Zorav

    Hey guys I know they had somewhat of a decent effort tonight but do you ever get the impression that the SENS never take initiative to set the pace of the game…It’s as if the other team always determines the pace, and then the Sens accordingly play.

    Againt St.louis, Louis plays a fast offensive 200 ft game, Ottawa accordingly responds with a fast responsive game and they win!…Against NJ and Florida tonight the opposition plays a slow trappy game, Ottawa accordingly slows down to their level, and keeps the pace at a low.

    Last Season, I’d say the majority of the games we played at a very high tempo, and we succeeded.

    • hq8

      true assessment. this is easily backed up by the number of times they have been down 1-0 this season in the first period and then 2-0 down in the first period too. very rare that ottawa has scored the first goal of the game.

      • Zorav

        Do you think the word “lethargic” would correctly describe them this season?

        • hq8

          yup. lethargic, lazy – see those three failed clears on that last FLA PP by Zack Smith – complete lack of focus. Karlsson going fishing surrounded by FLA players and then getting spun and falling like a paper statue resulting in shortie……

          • Zorav

            Why? What happened this summer causing them all to be so complacent?…. I can think of only overconfidence so far. Like it’s weird, usually you’d have one or two or three players being lazy in one game..but the whole 23 man roster.. It’s as if there really is something in the food/water that they’re providing in the building.

          • hq8

            a big factor is that anderson, who has got the majority of starts cannot steal or win games anymore. the team has to help him win, instead of what it was like last season where he gave them a chance every night to win.

          • Zorav

            I agree on that but I only think that was part of the reason for our success last season. We Dominated in the offensive zone last season without the skill players that were out with injuries…We actually outplayed our competition and WE set the pace. Those players took onus on themselves….but then again I guess not a whole lot was expected of them considering the circummstances.

  • luckan20

    Zebra clowns screwed us with the non call. Last night too we were messed up.
    What was Karlson thinking with his clown act during our PP.. This season is almost a write-off. We can’t score on Smith and Coyotes. At present, we have too many passengers in the team.

    • Aaron 2.0

      I’m actually starting the think it might be better if we are clear cut sellers at the deadline. It’s painful to watch games like this, and hard to imagine to have to watch the rest of the season like this. But, i’d be worried about not getting rid of some of these passengers moving forward. Maybe, if we can turn it around we get 5th in our division (4th is the absolute ceiling), and play the penguins. I don’t know about you guys, but really we don’t have much of a shot there.

      • SensFanInMTL

        So now what happens? Another frickin rebuild already again?

        • Zorav

          Im not willing to call what has happened in the past two seasons a re-build to be honest. Zibby is the only “re-build” piece on this team at the moment. The moment we got Ryan…re-build mostly stopped applying I think.

        • Aaron 2.0

          I don’t like it anymore than anyone else. But, what can you do. There are problems. I wouldn’t do anything now. Just at the trade deadline. But, that’s where I get concerned if we are sort of still in it. It’s a hard call on what to do for a GM. I’d say that we were never really done rebuilding though. It’s a process.

          • SensFanInMTL

            I still want McDavid but next year is an entirely different year and I bet you we come back hot. Also, McDavid isn’t due until 2015. I also hate to see what will become of next year if Michalek, Spezza, Ryan and whoever else is free to walk. It might be a blessing in disguise since we won’t even have to purposely tank. We also gave up a shit ton for Bobby. Boy, the future is very questionable at this point.

        • Tooks

          Just look at it this way, we are still rebuilding, just got extended 2 more years :P
          Its always a 5 year plan. Damn we need Burke!

  • hq8

    i think, at this point, we need a change in management. Bryan Murray has had his time i think and this is yet another failure. he started it with Paddock, then Hartsburg, then Clouston and now Maclean. since 2007, sens have made the playoffs 4 times and missed three. this year they will likely miss. this is down in the deep end.

    we also need to get rid of the old-weight here: Neil and Phillips need to go, they are from the era of senators teams which made the playoffs and choked.

    they need to play players like Gryba, Borocop, Stone, Hoffman, Pageau, Ceci, Grant more. the organization has invested a lot of time and money in these prospects and they should be given the chance to run with it.

    • Zorav

      I strongly agree about the old-weights we’re carrying on this team. Ever hear TSN1200 after the game?…Whenever some caller calls in or someone writes in complaining about either phillips and neil and requesting them to be bought out or traded…the hosts are all

      “Hahah..I’m sorry i lost you there. Phillips is an 1100 man and he makes others comfortable around him and he’s always very consistent, plays a stable game….this and that” . Well if he’s an 1100 game man, why the hell he doesn’t show it… I get it that these hosts are very close and know the veterans on this team very well, but c’mon stop fooling yourself.

    • Bob

      Odd that you mention “old-weight” and Murray needs to go, but Spezza gets to stay? BM has built championship teams, maybe a little more money would help, but with who? The team we have on paper is pretty good, until they drop the puck. Either we wait for these kids to come up or we trade to get better Now.

  • hq8

    oh and before the spezza traders come out – again its still not at the point where you trade spezza.

    there are a lot of pieces still on the team to turn this around.

  • laffin681021

    Anybody know where to find that remote from the movie “Click” so we can fast forward to next year?

  • Luc Wolfe

    i dont mind bryan Murray. pmac is a good coach… the owner needs to go like f_______g now… i can’t stand him.

  • SensFanInMTL

    AJ’s losing it over at TSN 1200. The whole city is up and in arms with this team. We want change!

  • lbernier

    Milan Michalek has been looked at by the Pheonix Coyotes. Would be a good fit for Milan to play with his brother and we really could use some size with skill on the back end.

    • 57gord

      Trade for Stone’s brother ? LOL

    • Tooks

      Sticks, pucks, whatever they want to give us if they take MM9, I would give them 2 tickets to Barbados if I was the Euge.

  • lbernier

    Bryan Murray wont let us become sellers at the deadline we dont have a 1st round pick, he will improve the team before selling off players for picks or what!

    • SenaTHOR

      How do we improve the team without spending. When a team is losing, the value of the players typically goes down. Your negotiating power is lessened by your obvious desperation. How might you suggest that BM “improves the team?”

      • Tooks

        By getting rid of Cowen, Anderson, Greening, Condra, MM9. Any of those combinations works for me, doesnt even matter what we get in return, could be pucks for all I care.

        • lbernier

          ya ok move all those players and give the ducks a top 10 pick really smart wow lol

      • CUP 2014-15

        Hate the fact that were here already. With the budget I would be willing to move a number of players for picks and give some young lads a go. Bring up Stone or prince to replace 9MM or whomever gets moved for a pick. Move Corvo, he is returning to UH OH form, call up Boro send CC back, the honeymoon is over and this kid needs to get the hell out of here before we screw him up, give him back to Luc for a bit. Season is not over but man lets shake this up.

  • LeafsSux

    For those of you who blame the Refs for this loss are just reaching for something.. They loss this game for the same reasons they have lost all others… This team is not as what we expected and is in my opinion the worst team in the league as much as it kills me to say that. We need a fire sale and fast. I have two more games to remaining on my pack and will support this team but I think this year is done. Im not going to use the “P” word cause that aint gonna happen…

    • PraiseAlfie11

      No firesale needed. A can see a couple of players getting shipped out, but no firesale.

      To me, smith (15) should be 1st to go. 3 attempts to clear the zone? Really? Michalek as well I guess. He’s just not bringing it like everyone expected. Greening seems to be unwilling to do what it takes for him to succeed in the nhl.

      Of course, none of these guys alone or in a package would be worth a top 4 dman.

    • Tooks

      Argh those damnrefs, they are everywhere! Blame the refs for losses against bottom feeding teams…lol.

    • mr.slapshot

      Yes they play like crap, but even you and Tooks can admit those were some pretty obvious non-calls, all of which led directly to goals.

      • Tooks

        Nope, work harder. The compete/effort level is laughable.

        • mr.slapshot

          Missed the point completely…

          • CUP 2014-15

            He’s just trying to rile you up. Hell tooks thinks Ryan is a bum because hes a Sen. Don’t let the trolls bug you. And yes the non-call on 9MM led to the go ahead goal and dictated the outcome.

          • Tooks

            Whenever opinions dont fit yours, people are Leafs fans, lol. Typical.

            And actually the popular opinion right now is: This team sucks! Face the truth.

            I advocated for Ryan for years, nice try tho, now we all see you for what you are. An Idiot.

          • Tooks

            The go ahead goal was score on a PP, penalty by JGP, lol. nothing to do with the Michalek “non call”. Its not like Michalek was tripped and they scored on the same play…

            Now that just proves you are reaching for excuses.

          • Tooks

            Nope not really, we are waiting for calls, get tripped, look at ref in disbelief…Get the fuck up and dig harder, get tripped again?, get up. Got hooked, fight through it. We are not doing that, we are yelling at refs, looking like clowns.

          • CUP 2014-15

            The one good think is when you say we, everyone knows your talking about your Leafs

          • mr.slapshot

            No Shit, hence my “they play like crap” comment. All I was saying is that there wouldn’t have been 3 goals in the last two games if three obvious (and usually routine) calls had been made.

          • Tooks

            Lame excuses once again. They wouldnt have lost the games if they had played harder. Plain and simple.

  • Tooks

    Can we please put PW46 back in, FFS…
    Sit Cowen who does absolutely nothing. If your gonna tell me that PW46 makes mistakes in the D zone then look in the mirror, Cowen does just as much and more but atleast PW46 puts points on the board. Cowen just plain sucks.

    • SenaTHOR

      I think Cowen is overall better than Wiercioch. Take away a stretch pass or two and the odd PP point and Wiercioch is a gongshow. Honestly he is softer than Pageau on the boards.

      • Tooks

        Just saying, PW46 produces points, Cowen does nothing….nothing.

  • Colin

    LOL. It’s easy to tell when it’s a snow day or PD day. Tookie is spewing his troll shit all over the board. Go outside and help your mom shovel the driveway!

    • Tooks

      Shovel? Snowblower at 7:20am this morning son.

      P.S. atleast I dont blame refs for losses, LOL.

      • Colin

        Snowblower at 7am? There wasn’t even 1cm down at that time! What do you do when 10cm comes down? Call the army? LOL!

        • Tooks

          Take the 4wheeler out with the plow!

          • Colin

            LOL. If you thought that a snowblower was needed at 7am, you haven’t even looked out the window and are likely still in bed.

  • esk

    I watched the 2nd and 3rd. From what I saw, the sens were playing hard. Florida was playing amazing. I dont have a problem with them losing like that. As long as they try.

    • Tooks

      NJ & FLA are in the bottom half of the League for a reason. So are we. When 2 bad teams play, somebody has to win, no matter what. Its just sad we cant beat a perennial bottom feeder with a shitty back up in nets.

      We played avg, FLA played better than avg, Bottom line we lost to FLA. the 25th place team in the NHL.

      • esk

        Florida is 7-3 and has won 5 in a row. They got there shit together now

        • xiorcal

          Esk if you feed a mogway after midnight it will turn into a gremlin. If you feed tooks at any time I will turn into a troll. Don’t feed the troll.

        • Tooks

          Even the Devil has a good day. The Panthers are NOT a good hockey team, LOL. Even with 5 in a row they sit at the bottom of the standings. And if you think they are a good hockey team cuz they won 5 games, lol, then no point in arguing with you, LOL.

          • esk

            Did I say they were a good team? Sens ran into a hot florida team. That is all

  • xiorcal

    Must of you are going nuts over a team only a couple of points from a playoff spot with 2/3 of the season left. The biggest concern is the crazy number of goal against. We are in the top 3 in the conference for goal for and worst at goal against. MacLean lines seems more about spreading is more defensive minded players than finding a perfect scoring line. We know Condra, Smith and Neil are not 1st line scoring material but in the last 15 games they have started more game next to Spezza than Ryan. If the players have no confidence in the Goaltenders and if the guys between the pipes don’t thrust there defenses you will get a big confidence problem and you will see people cheating (Karlson on 2-1 is a good exemple) and trying to do too much. Ceci and Phillips are a good step in that direction. Id love to see Methot and Karlson last year chemistry back also.